**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jan 23 02:59:57 2009 Jan 23 03:03:09 StsN800: not able to turn on the serever before bed? Jan 23 03:47:18 is there an app in the repos that will show a mouse pointer? it'd come in handy clicking on smaller items on screen Jan 23 03:47:59 you can change the icon theme to see the pointer Jan 23 03:48:43 know one off the top of your head that does? Jan 23 03:49:00 1 sec Jan 23 03:52:29 the cursor icons are in /usr/share/icons/xcursor-transparent Jan 23 03:53:18 thank you :) Jan 23 03:53:49 and ther is anouther file that states thats the theme to use i just cant recall it Jan 23 03:55:44 ok got it Jan 23 03:56:09 mv /usr/share/icons/xcursor-transparent/cursors/transp to transp-ori? Jan 23 03:56:35 that's mentioned on the x11vnc wiki, but I'm not sure if that's just for client connections or the device itself Jan 23 03:58:25 the file you have to modify is /usr/share/user-icons/default Jan 23 03:59:25 thats all i know Jan 23 03:59:38 enough to point me in the right direction :) Jan 23 03:59:44 thanks again Jan 23 03:59:58 k happy to confuse you Jan 23 04:00:54 anyone know anything on the 770 temperature sensors. how do they scale Jan 23 04:01:45 smackpotato: I didn't know the 770 had temp sensors Jan 23 04:02:02 ya Jan 23 04:02:20 * r2d2rogers googles... Jan 23 04:02:38 find /sys/ -name *temp* Jan 23 04:03:59 hmm Jan 23 04:04:54 im,not on the 770 now but they both gave readings of about 1000 Jan 23 04:05:52 I have two in front of me Jan 23 04:05:58 just cat them? Jan 23 04:06:10 ya Jan 23 04:06:37 why do you have two Jan 23 04:07:58 got a chance to buy a mint one for $75 Jan 23 04:08:06 cool Jan 23 04:08:16 and was getting involved in deblet=>Mer testing Jan 23 04:08:27 so one to use while I test stuff Jan 23 04:08:27 cool Jan 23 04:08:44 I got 989 and 1174 on tmpe0 and temp1 Jan 23 04:09:42 close to the values i got the last digit is sensitive it has changed already Jan 23 04:10:07 yup Jan 23 04:10:08 down Jan 23 04:10:15 I had it in had a while Jan 23 04:10:21 then put it on the desk Jan 23 04:10:28 987 1171 Jan 23 04:11:19 i think il put it in the porch for a couple of hours and take a reading Jan 23 04:11:31 * FireFox laughs when people assume he is a expert at firefox because of his temporary user name (i'm really b-man) Jan 23 04:12:05 FireFox: where'd ya fool 'em at? Jan 23 04:12:06 talking about firefox ...... Jan 23 04:12:51 at #ubuntu :) Jan 23 04:13:04 heh Jan 23 04:13:19 smackpotato: found a thread on temps at ITT http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=37962 Jan 23 04:13:35 thanks Jan 23 04:14:05 not much more than we know now... Jan 23 05:49:39 hi Jan 23 05:50:49 trying to compile xf86-video-omapfb. but get: Jan 23 05:50:53 ./configure: line 20737: syntax error near unexpected token `RENDER,' Jan 23 05:51:09 ./configure: line 20737: `XORG_DRIVER_CHECK_EXT(RENDER, renderproto)' Jan 23 05:52:50 anyone had this problem? Jan 23 06:11:03 slono: XORG_DRIVER_CHECK_EXT probably isn't supported Jan 23 06:50:13 Is OGG support finally in Diablo? Jan 23 06:50:31 I'm trying to get my OGG collection to play with Canola2. Jan 23 06:50:33 well, depends what you mean by "in".. Jan 23 06:50:50 kulve: Using both the Diablo SDK and extras repository as well as yours. Jan 23 06:51:02 kulve: ...could I get full OGG support? Jan 23 06:51:07 full? no Jan 23 06:51:11 hm Jan 23 06:51:15 I don't even know what "full" means Jan 23 06:51:18 lightmediascanner0-ogg is still not working. Jan 23 06:51:26 no tags, no flac, no speec, no .. Jan 23 06:51:31 Full means playback of OGG/Vorbis files plus indexing that's supported by most media player apps on Maemo. Jan 23 06:51:32 speex Jan 23 06:51:35 Ah, no tags yet. Jan 23 06:51:39 That's what I was wondering. Jan 23 06:51:54 Canola2 still uses lightmediascanner, which doesn't seem to support OGG yet. Jan 23 06:52:02 I've made some success with the tags. Kilikali shows them all, but the metacrawler discards album tag for some reason Jan 23 06:52:16 and lightmediascanner? Jan 23 06:52:19 robink: I guess that might change now that the ogg-support is in extras Jan 23 06:52:49 Hopefully Jan 23 06:53:01 I've not tested the lms, but I guess it probably will work with the tags. But the tags are not supported in the 0.9 version yet Jan 23 06:53:12 ohh Jan 23 06:53:18 OK, I'm in no rush. Jan 23 06:53:44 I had what was to me full OGG support in Chinook, and I'm being more impatient than I should be. Jan 23 06:55:05 I would like to get tags support, theora and the new mimetypes for ogg-support 1.0 but looks like I need to modify some of the gst parts provided by nokia (instead of just adding stuff). That might cause some problems.. Jan 23 06:55:19 Ah Jan 23 06:55:52 gst doesn't support the new mimetypes (audio/ogg, video/ogg) yet (just application/ogg) Jan 23 06:56:32 Lardman is still working on his port of Tremor to the c5xx. I occasionally do a cvs up and it's usually changed. Jan 23 06:56:42 *svn Jan 23 06:57:26 hmm.. Actually I don't know about the lms and the tags. I think lms might use the tremor directly so it actually might have better tag support for oggs than the other stuff that uses ivorbis trhough gst.. Jan 23 06:57:39 Huh Jan 23 06:58:04 Why does lms rely on tremor as opposed to libogg? I thought the comments were part of the OGG container and not wrapped up in the codec. Jan 23 06:58:52 I though so too, but I was wrong. The tags are in the comment section of the vorbis, not oogg Jan 23 06:58:55 ogg Jan 23 06:59:05 sounds a bit odd, but that's what the wikipedia at least says Jan 23 06:59:30 Huh Jan 23 06:59:30 and that's how it seems to be, according to the code Jan 23 06:59:36 Gotcha, good to know. Jan 23 06:59:50 I thought the OGG guys were trying to escape the problems so prevelant in the MP3 format. Jan 23 07:00:04 *prevalent Jan 23 07:00:31 http://www.xiph.org/vorbis/doc/v-comment.html Jan 23 07:00:50 yoinks Jan 23 07:21:30 I compiled additional modules, will they loaded at boot if I excute update-modules? Jan 23 07:41:55 good morning qwerty12 Jan 23 07:42:10 good morning radic Jan 23 07:43:05 qwerty12: can you say to me how the modules on OS2008 will be loaded on boot? Jan 23 07:44:33 radic, You'll have to load them manually. Make a script in /etc/init.d that will "insmod whatever.ko" and symlink it into the /etc/rc2.d & /etc/rc5.d folders Jan 23 07:45:23 qwerty12: but some modules loaded automaticly Jan 23 07:45:34 That's done by the initfs Jan 23 07:45:35 only the new ones not Jan 23 08:32:13 morning, all Jan 23 08:35:54 mmm, bacon butties Jan 23 08:36:08 * Jaffa tries to make lcuk jealous Jan 23 08:49:44 Morning. Jan 23 08:49:52 Did you say bacon? :) Jan 23 08:50:36 yup Jan 23 08:52:49 what's with tech people's obsession with bacon? Jan 23 08:52:49 btw, are you guys going to fosdem? Jan 23 08:52:54 * Jaffa ain't Jan 23 08:53:01 mavhc: bacon's goood Jan 23 08:53:08 I'm going to the foss way Jan 23 08:53:27 Nope, can't make it.. Jan 23 08:53:31 :( **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jan 23 08:55:23 2009 Jan 23 08:59:31 hay guyz.. u get bacon? Jan 23 08:59:53 hay is for horsee Jan 23 08:59:55 *horses Jan 23 09:04:28 oh hm Jan 23 09:43:18 Morning, all Jan 23 09:43:23 Er. No, I did that. Jan 23 10:07:43 Yesterday? Jan 23 10:07:56 omg daylight Jan 23 10:08:59 Myrtti: Finland in winter? :) Jan 23 10:10:01 X-Fade: Cambridgeshire in what I'd call April if I were in Finland Jan 23 10:10:37 Myrtti: Heh :) Jan 23 10:11:26 it's kinda eerie Jan 23 10:11:36 I'm expecting the trees to bloom any moment Jan 23 10:11:54 ...Privately, something close to desperation is starting to develop inside government. After watching the slide in bank shares on Friday, one cabinet minister did not altogether joke when he said: "The banks are fucked, we're fucked, the country's fucked."... Jan 23 10:12:09 having pussywillows in the willow tree at the hardware store and cute bunnies running around doesn't really help Jan 23 10:12:30 [sorry, had to quote that] Jan 23 10:45:51 Jaffa: ImageMap extension should work now.. Jan 23 10:46:29 X-Fade: cool, ta muchly Jan 23 10:52:20 * Jaffa goes for a new concept with http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jaffa/Sandbox/Mer_homepage and heads off shopping to mull things over Jan 23 10:55:10 Getting images inserted at that "normal" sizes is a real PITA. Jan 23 10:55:31 X-Fade: aware of a way of doing it? Even on that page, despite specifying 726px on the image tag, it still looks badly corrupted Jan 23 10:55:59 |726px should work inside the tag? Jan 23 10:59:43 Jaffa: If everthing else fails, you can always use html for the image tag and force it to 726px with style="" :) Jan 23 11:01:23 would anybody know, if I open the same dynamic library with dlopen() from two different location in my code, and call dlclose() two times as well, will my code blow up? Jan 23 11:01:53 the manpage says it keeps only one instance of the library in memory Jan 23 11:07:57 Jaffa: Black-on-dark-blue looks reeeeally cool =) Jan 23 11:08:36 hmm Jan 23 11:11:19 Mikho: it is not supposed to blow up, it should be reference-counted Jan 23 11:13:20 that's good Jan 23 11:13:36 because otherwise it would make my project lot more complicated Jan 23 11:15:08 can I anywhere find the module-dependencies? Jan 23 11:20:25 another thing: would anyone know of a quick-and-dirty way for a program to get a fingerprint of the device one it is running in? Jan 23 11:21:13 so that I could easily identify if two programs are running in the same file system Jan 23 11:24:59 Mikho: classical way to check if there is already running instance is to create an empty guard file Jan 23 11:26:12 but there is might be a problem: if your application finished incorrectly, this guard file (usually called '.pid file) wouldn't be deleted Jan 23 11:27:16 hmm Jan 23 11:27:39 thekondor but you can check the pid Jan 23 11:28:22 woglinde: yeah, I know :) Jan 23 11:28:36 hmm, maybe I'll try to check the timestamp of the program data folder Jan 23 11:29:16 if it's identical, there should be pretty high possibility that the two programs are running on the same computer Jan 23 11:29:41 pid is the better way Jan 23 11:31:13 Mikho: If I were you, I would choose the following: Jan 23 11:31:13 on run I'd check if there is already existent .pid file. If it is, I'd its contents (it should contain PID) -- if pid is not equal to the PID of current instance, I'd just rewrite it with new actual one Jan 23 11:31:31 * I'd check its contents Jan 23 11:33:16 you'd think by now the OS would support it, wouldn't have to use a hack Jan 23 11:38:01 Mikho: http://ldn.linuxfoundation.org/column/a-half-dozen-ways-script-a-singleton-application-only-one-right Jan 23 11:40:06 I mean, it's ok if there are more than one running, they'd just need to know if they are operating the same file system, so that they can use each others files Jan 23 11:40:22 morning Jan 23 11:42:28 Mikho: that doesn't really make any sense to me. Jan 23 11:42:41 good morning Jan 23 11:43:37 why not? Jan 23 11:45:38 what kind of application that needs to be singleton is specific to a specific filesystem? how often do users actually bother to start same applicions multiple times of different filesystems? Jan 23 11:45:42 hmm, itt seems slow today Jan 23 11:45:57 t_s_o: yeah Jan 23 11:47:10 X-Fade: ping Jan 23 11:47:58 I have a network of objects communicating with each other, abstracting differences between filesystems and terminals Jan 23 11:48:55 it would be nice if the objects could exchange data files with each other, so that if one object shouts "i want this and this", another object might then serve the data file Jan 23 11:49:35 and if they happen to reside in the same file system, the other object might just serve the path to the data file Jan 23 11:54:49 Jaffa: you're really doing stuff in wiki i never knew was possible :> Jan 23 12:55:51 Stslaptop, anything is possible. Jan 23 12:55:58 Some people run their whole sites on Mediawiki. Jan 23 12:56:48 GeneralAntilles, Seen some good ones run that way Jan 23 12:57:09 Stslaptop, for instance: http://beagle-project.org/Main_Page Jan 23 12:57:35 oh, he was talking about wiki mechanics, not about things people write they have been doing Jan 23 12:58:27 is it 'normal' that I get these outputs, when un'tar'ing the mer*.tar.gz-file? Jan 23 12:58:28 http://pastebin.com/d44efcde0 Jan 23 13:03:06 thopiekar: you have to do it as root Jan 23 13:03:11 on a ext3 partition Jan 23 13:03:41 thopiekar: and make sure you use gnutar Jan 23 13:05:16 Stslaptop: ok thanks Jan 23 13:05:53 it is usually recommended to try and use b-man's installer :) Jan 23 13:06:59 Mikho, er, your point? Jan 23 13:07:23 Mikho, which is exactly the thing I was addressing, sooo. . . . Jan 23 13:07:29 GeneralAntilles: think it would be possible to acquire as first step rsyncing the mer repository to repository.maemo.org/community or something? just wondering how much has to be put through the maemo.org tasks Jan 23 13:07:43 Stslaptop, talk to X-Fade.e Jan 23 13:07:47 GeneralAntilles: alright Jan 23 13:07:51 Stslaptop: Monitoring ;) Jan 23 13:08:14 I'm sure that hosting that repo won't be a problem at all. Jan 23 13:08:38 t_s_o, people complain a lot about maemo.org's slowness, but itT has its own moments. :\ Jan 23 13:09:11 X-Fade: hehe - basically my current hosting place for mer is notoriously unstable and i was pondering if we can take a initial rsync over ssh approach where we rsync to repository.maemo.org/community or something and then at some point in the future move on to repository upload (at some point) through maemo.org, and then on to builder and such Jan 23 13:09:54 Stslaptop: I think that I can give you a location on garage where you can sync your repo to. Jan 23 13:10:05 alright Jan 23 13:10:17 Stslaptop: And then we can rsync that to the caching network.. Jan 23 13:10:36 sounds fine to me Jan 23 13:11:01 we have mer.garage.maemo.org already if that can help with anything Jan 23 13:11:38 Well .. no, but I guess we'll find something ;) Jan 23 13:11:41 hehe ;) Jan 23 13:11:56 Stslaptop: What size is your repo up to now? Jan 23 13:12:02 ~200m Jan 23 13:12:14 Ah, no problem then.. Jan 23 13:13:19 Stslaptop: Can you send a mail to -community requesting that? Jan 23 13:13:24 yes, of course Jan 23 13:13:48 That way all the people who can accept it/block it can read it in one go ;) Jan 23 13:13:51 hehe Jan 23 13:14:06 An if nobody objects, we can get that plan into action.. Jan 23 13:14:36 Although I don't see any problems with it. Jan 23 13:15:12 i'll get a mail written during today with specifics - we've been intentionally waiting a bit regarding builder and such as we want SDK stable first :P Jan 23 13:15:29 (less hassle for you maemo.org admins ;) Jan 23 13:16:01 Stslaptop: Heh, well don't mind us ;) Jan 23 13:22:18 Meiz_n810: repository back up Jan 23 13:22:52 Stskeeps: ok, thanks :) Jan 23 13:30:24 Halo comrads!) Jan 23 13:31:18 GeneralAntilles: i cant comment on maemo.org slowness, as mostly i see the bugs area, and it seems responsive Jan 23 13:31:20 afternoon wazd_n800 Jan 23 13:31:31 itt is are be down? Jan 23 13:32:04 lcuk: is are has been was down) Jan 23 13:32:54 wazd_n800: can you at some point when you're able to, read through http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Sprints and mail me what it says so you can get a jaiku invite and we can write you on the participants list, because you're helping out? :) Jan 23 13:33:23 it's just to make visible the people who are doing things in the project, also helpful for future CVs ;) Jan 23 13:33:53 wazd_n800, yeah itt is down Jan 23 13:34:04 Stskeeps, ok)9 Jan 23 13:34:43 I think I'll leave all rus tablet forums( Jan 23 13:34:48 is gizmo for video chat? Jan 23 13:34:52 IS IT EASY TO USE? Jan 23 13:34:57 -caps Jan 23 13:35:35 lcuk: yep, i had a videochat with it Jan 23 13:36:14 Stskeeps, jaiku is dead, isn't it? Jan 23 13:36:48 lcuk: Gizmo is for video chat, and is relatively easy to use Jan 23 13:36:50 ill try it then :) Jan 23 13:37:08 lcuk: But if you're looking for Free software, then QuteCom (formerly OpenWengo) is your best bet Jan 23 13:37:41 im just after seeing my missus :) my mobile is dead Jan 23 13:40:03 fwiw, i grabbed the sdk debs, will try to build xref monday Jan 23 13:40:08 timelE61i: :) Jan 23 13:40:25 wazd_n800: no not that much yet :P in any case, it's the best collaborative tool we can use for this thing for now :P and would perhaps enable people like johnx to have a sane sleeping rhythm again ;) Jan 23 13:40:34 Worst case, someone can force me to do it sunday@fosdem :) Jan 23 13:40:46 Stskeeps, sorry, what now? Jan 23 13:40:48 :) Jan 23 13:41:02 don't get any ideas like my sleeping schedule is somehow ruined by Mer Jan 23 13:41:04 hehe Jan 23 13:41:11 * lcuk might try to get to fosdem Jan 23 13:41:12 IIRC, It was about like this last year Jan 23 13:42:15 oh, right, now i know why i'm out of balance today Jan 23 13:42:19 i didn't have my morning coffee yet Jan 23 13:43:09 me neither O_o Jan 23 13:43:18 been out drinking before I even had coffee Jan 23 13:47:49 i'm gonna take a quick swing at osso-xterm Jan 23 13:48:24 am poking at some ubuntu hardware support packages for the zaurus Jan 23 13:48:34 k Jan 23 13:48:43 so we can make zaurus images for 0.7? ;) Jan 23 13:49:01 for feb 1st? Jan 23 13:49:06 cutting it a little tight... Jan 23 13:49:44 merging ubuntu's patches for h-d 2.0.11 to h-d 2.0.19 is not trivial it seems Jan 23 13:49:51 hehe Jan 23 13:49:59 I'm gonna need to find a good 3 way merge tool or something Jan 23 13:50:08 i occasionally do it manually :P Jan 23 13:50:33 yeah. the very first in the series of 25 (a patch to some config files) failed miserably Jan 23 13:50:35 hehe Jan 23 13:52:50 anyways, I have a package for xfbdev for the zaurus. just a simple fix for it and the other packages should be easy thanks to basing on the OE guys' work Jan 23 13:53:10 is it a accelerated fbdev or? Jan 23 13:53:18 as there exists xserver-xorg-video-fbdev too Jan 23 13:53:33 it's a *lot* faster than xorg fbdev Jan 23 13:53:40 and it's not very fast in the first place Jan 23 13:54:06 on the c1000/c3x000 the native orientation is 480x640 and rotation to 640x480 is done by software :/ Jan 23 13:54:23 k Jan 23 13:55:30 .. Jan 23 13:56:28 hmm? Jan 23 13:56:28 * Stskeeps ponders the fact vte in osso-xterm is now 0.16.14 Jan 23 13:57:25 * RST38h moos evilly Jan 23 13:57:38 oi RST38h Jan 23 13:57:39 as usual? ;) Jan 23 13:58:32 one day I have to actually sit down and really learn all that screen can do... Jan 23 14:00:35 Just dropped in to inform that Speccy release with wazd's icons is delayed because I am adding a virtual keyboard Jan 23 14:00:37 hello Jan 23 14:00:41 how can I have my vim on maemo support UTF-8? Jan 23 14:00:50 (the one from extras Jan 23 14:01:48 set locale? =) Jan 23 14:02:44 it is set correctly Jan 23 14:03:10 hmm Jan 23 14:03:24 it seems I'll have to generate pl_PL.UTF-8 Jan 23 14:03:32 how do I go about it? Jan 23 14:09:57 AStorm: Try KBabel, GTranslator, or PO-Edit Jan 23 14:10:18 ... Jan 23 14:10:27 generate *locale*. for glibc Jan 23 14:10:31 not .po files Jan 23 14:10:38 AStorm: localegen Jan 23 14:10:49 Stskeeps, it's available on maemo? Jan 23 14:10:54 where? Jan 23 14:11:25 AStorm: i think it is, but im not sure Jan 23 14:11:45 ENOENT - which package then? Jan 23 14:15:47 johnx: can you try do a build osso-xterm=0.14.mh13mer1 (something) on merbuilder? Jan 23 14:15:51 it's not responding to me Jan 23 14:15:58 as in, jaiku doesn't relay messages :P Jan 23 14:16:14 trying now Jan 23 14:16:25 k Jan 23 14:16:32 accepted Jan 23 14:16:41 even when refreshing page? Jan 23 14:16:48 nope Jan 23 14:16:52 after a refresh it's gone Jan 23 14:16:53 nice Jan 23 14:16:56 lovely. Jan 23 14:17:17 * Stskeeps ponders moving merbuilder to irc Jan 23 14:17:47 or ssh for commands and rss for reading? Jan 23 14:18:05 mm Jan 23 14:18:10 * Stskeeps grabs his coffee Jan 23 14:18:13 irc for commands :P Jan 23 14:18:19 Oh yes Jan 23 14:18:27 no need for rss too Jan 23 14:18:28 Teach infobot to build mer packages Jan 23 14:18:34 :) Jan 23 14:18:45 infobot, build world Jan 23 14:18:53 And implement !hitthefan command to turn the reporting on Jan 23 14:19:59 * Stskeeps builds it manually Jan 23 14:20:31 well, there'll be an open source version of jaiku out soon, right? we could just host our own instance and at least be able to see why it's going wrong Jan 23 14:20:47 hehe Jan 23 14:23:06 johnx: or do it right away without jaiku, with php Jan 23 14:24:12 mm, not a bad idea either Jan 23 14:26:03 hey hey Jan 23 14:26:03 johnx: or use laconica Jan 23 14:26:12 timsamoff about today? Jan 23 14:26:43 dob: does it have the same principles as jaiku about channels? Jan 23 14:28:12 Stskeeps: I don't know much about either, I've just heard it's an open source alternative :) Jan 23 14:30:59 Stskeeps, so, could you generate the locale for me? or point me to the right package? Jan 23 14:31:57 AStorm: i'm honestly not sure sorry Jan 23 14:32:02 i use localegen on Mer, so :P Jan 23 14:32:36 http://www.enjoythemusic.com/magazine/equipment/0808/vmps_626jr.htm vmps loudspeakers KICK ASS Jan 23 14:32:37 so, could you generate one for me? :) Jan 23 14:33:38 pupnik_, I've always been a fan of Axiom. Jan 23 14:35:22 speaker shootout Jan 23 14:35:28 Conclusion Jan 23 14:35:29 Sheer madness! The VMPS 626Jr represents an insane level of sound quality at its asking price. It all starts with a cast of excellent drivers, remarkably well integrated using a first-order series crossover. Throw in a decent cabinet and you end up with a speaker than competes with speakers costing even three times as much. The old adage about good engineering does not cost any more than bad engineering applies here in spades. That push-pull ribbon mid Jan 23 14:35:52 blah? Jan 23 14:36:02 lets do clashing mechwarrior style speaker auditions Jan 23 14:36:37 how did they test? Jan 23 14:37:01 blind test? frequency response, imd, thd+n? Jan 23 14:37:09 johnx: http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/mer-ossoxterm.png Jan 23 14:37:32 we still need to apply some VTE patches, but yeah Jan 23 14:38:03 "in my room" testing is not rigorous enough Jan 23 14:38:26 at least if he didn't subtract room response :) Jan 23 14:38:53 now, it's better than many other tests :) Jan 23 14:39:04 at least he bothered to measure Jan 23 14:40:25 "What I found most shocking is just how much sound quality these speakers deliver at an asking price of only $1,175/pr." Jan 23 14:40:31 not expensive, neat Jan 23 14:43:39 could use a subwoofer though to extend low range - can't have it all I guess :) Jan 23 14:44:17 (a short-range - 16-40 Hz subwoofer) Jan 23 14:45:05 * Jaffa unshops Jan 23 14:45:26 Stskeeps: doing these sort of things in a wiki just requires a sick (CSS) mind. Jan 23 14:45:37 X-Fade: black on dark-blue - a work-in-progress ;-) Jan 23 14:46:00 X-Fade: also, I thought the tag wasn't whitelisted, so I can't put any CSS on [[image:...]], can I? Jan 23 14:46:05 Jaffa: Wasn't me ;) Jan 23 14:47:35 Jaffa: You might be easier off just scaling the image manually. Jan 23 14:49:39 X-Fade: I'm not sure that's possible in MediaWiki, is it? Although, the HTML and the image direct seem OK. I wonder if there's some odd CSS making it look "odd" Jan 23 14:50:06 * Jaffa fires up Firebug Jan 23 14:53:54 lo yerga Jan 23 14:54:26 hi Stskeeps Jan 23 14:54:31 and all ;) Jan 23 14:58:50 X-Fade: I'm an idiot. Firefox for some reason had a non-default zoom on that page, explaining why it looked crap Jan 23 15:04:18 * lcuk crawls on his belly through broken glass with his fly down :'( Jan 23 15:06:12 goddamn, why there're so much fanboyz in the forums Jan 23 15:07:09 wazd_n800: when you get a chance, could you send me the mer logo on a plain (preferably transparent) background for the Mer homepage mockup I'm doing? Jan 23 15:08:27 Jaffa: i'm at the country right now, I'll do it when I'll reach home Jan 23 15:12:01 Jaffa, Can I mockup the page too btw?) Jan 23 15:15:38 wazd_n800, aren't you a fanboy? Jan 23 15:21:57 lcuk: of what?) Jan 23 15:22:46 lcuk: I'm a fanboy of good design :) Jan 23 15:23:17 so you will whore yourself to whichever platform needs designer glitz and glamour :D Jan 23 15:23:33 like the a team but with photoshop as your weapon Jan 23 15:23:42 which automatically dismisses iPhone Jan 23 15:23:48 lcuk: But I like and hate all companies same time) Jan 23 15:24:26 RST38h, iPhone has some design issues too Jan 23 15:24:27 Hello ! Jan 23 15:24:40 does there is problem with itt ? Jan 23 15:24:59 RST38h, sometimes inconsistent UI for example) Jan 23 15:25:02 lol khertan, i also gave a lolcat speak question about itt earlier Jan 23 15:25:06 Khertan, heya) Jan 23 15:25:19 "lcuk: itt is are be down?" Jan 23 15:25:27 hey ! it seems i found what was the problem with my nit Jan 23 15:25:38 wifi connection handler Jan 23 15:25:41 you froze it? Jan 23 15:25:45 don't know why Jan 23 15:26:08 wazd: blasphemy! -) Jan 23 15:26:09 mmmm, i bolloxed up the wifi connection on mine -= i reformatted cos of it Jan 23 15:26:43 bolloxed ? euh ... don't know this work ... :) Jan 23 15:26:54 by i understand the general meaning ... Jan 23 15:27:04 s/by/but Jan 23 15:27:22 universal language of damaged mans dangly bits Jan 23 15:27:56 awww qwerty12 you didnt have detention today :D Jan 23 15:28:14 lcuk, you wanted me to have detention? :P Jan 23 15:28:24 lcuk: but I am sure they replaced it with whipping Jan 23 15:28:34 you shouldv done lol Jan 23 15:28:53 lol :P Jan 23 15:29:20 lo qwerty12 Jan 23 15:29:21 i installed gizmo - it was a bit ummm how do i say, complex and ott Jan 23 15:29:27 qwerty12: testing our the eabi stuff Jan 23 15:29:33 hey Stskeeps Jan 23 15:29:34 wicked Jan 23 15:29:45 qwerty12: also http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/mer-ossoxterm.png Jan 23 15:29:49 we still need to patch vte a little bit Jan 23 15:29:49 * lcuk burns EABI incompatabilities Jan 23 15:30:05 OK, I'm borred with itT being broken now. Jan 23 15:30:05 Stskeeps, wicked! Jan 23 15:30:25 GeneralAntilles: it's a complete disruption into my daily routine and i want my money back :P Jan 23 15:30:29 Stskeeps, what's messed in libvte atm> Jan 23 15:30:30 *? Jan 23 15:30:44 qwerty12: cursor blinking and some other patches that would be nice to have Jan 23 15:31:08 If vte built in the Mer sdk, I'd happily take a look but as it stands... Jan 23 15:31:13 maybe itt have upgraded to mer and they havent yet got the packages on yet Jan 23 15:31:26 qwerty12: could always go for the chroot method Jan 23 15:31:32 qwerty12: jaffa has documented this quite well Jan 23 15:31:41 qwerty12: also, if a package doesn't build in SB, it will build it in native. Jan 23 15:31:51 Stskeeps, with 2.4gb left on my partition, I'm kinda reluctant :) Jan 23 15:31:55 qwerty12: hehe Jan 23 15:33:16 which will be the source of a blog post about "Should packages always build in Scratchbox? Is it an accelerator or the compiliation environment of the target platform" Jan 23 15:33:19 :P Jan 23 15:34:16 qwerty12: i'm suddenly getting "chage: Permission denied. Jan 23 15:34:16 Stopped: `/usr/bin/chage -M 99999 messagebus' returned error code 1. Exiting. Jan 23 15:34:16 " Jan 23 15:34:19 which kinda wonders me Jan 23 15:34:32 Stskeeps, do you happen to know if there's an easy way to make a gconf schema file? I don't mind packaging advanced-power but its method of installing gconf files directly into /var/lib/gconf is not healthy at all. I'd rather make a gconf schema file & use dh_gconf. Jan 23 15:34:33 Odd :/ Jan 23 15:36:41 qwerty12: se Jan 23 15:36:41 c Jan 23 15:37:56 qwerty12: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mer-committers/m-r/hildon-input-method/annotate/head%3A/hildon-input-method-ui3.schemas looks pretty simple.. and http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mer-committers/m-r/hildon-input-method/annotate/head%3A/debian/libhildon-im-ui3.postinst.in Jan 23 15:38:59 Stskeeps, thanks. I know how to make one manually, but adding the entries is a bitch :P Jan 23 15:40:00 also we don't employ /var/lib/gconf anymore :P Jan 23 15:40:50 Yeah, gconf-schemas should handle the file location when it imports the file :) Jan 23 15:42:14 Fuck it, I can quickly make one based on the defaults and fix any problems when I try it out in mer Jan 23 15:42:43 qwerty12: much appreciated you're doing this work though :) Jan 23 15:42:56 :) Jan 23 15:43:07 http://i.gizmodo.com/5137782/inside-jonathan-ives-apple-design-lab <=== disturbing apple fanboy ramblings Jan 23 15:44:04 haha Jan 23 15:44:13 i already see it :) Jan 23 15:44:58 i ve made many zoom on the pict ... but nothing interesting :) Jan 23 15:45:03 that jonathan ives is totally insane guy Jan 23 15:45:11 Why? Jan 23 15:45:33 the way he talks - call the medics) Jan 23 15:45:56 * RST38h never heard him, what is wrong with him? Jan 23 15:46:06 Aside from being French, I guess? Jan 23 15:46:06 don't know... i ve never talk with it Jan 23 15:46:18 s/it/him Jan 23 15:46:19 :) Jan 23 15:46:27 he is french ? Jan 23 15:46:45 You can watch movie bout macs new casing Jan 23 15:46:50 he was born in london Jan 23 15:48:13 ... google docs api really lacks many features .... !!! Jan 23 15:48:28 qwerty12: fakeroot.patch is harmful Jan 23 15:48:36 qwerty12: just remove the calls to it, and it will be fine Jan 23 15:48:46 Stskeeps, the qemu package? Jan 23 15:48:52 yeah Jan 23 15:49:22 Stskeeps, easily done, I hated the lines I employed in the postinst & preinst to include it for patching :) Jan 23 15:49:30 hehe Jan 23 15:49:42 armel osso-xterm included now Jan 23 15:50:57 http://mer.garage.maemo.org/ <<<---- !!!!! Jan 23 15:51:01 hum ... Jan 23 15:51:06 !!!!!!11111111!!!111 Jan 23 15:51:10 :) Jan 23 15:51:23 hi generalAntilles :) Jan 23 15:51:27 Khertan: yeah, should probably be redirected to somewhere else Jan 23 15:51:30 Hi, Khertan. :) Jan 23 15:51:37 like http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer ;) Jan 23 15:51:44 ah great :) Jan 23 15:52:04 i was looking for where to read instruction for installation :) Jan 23 15:52:26 oh ! really nice logo Jan 23 15:52:32 My computer knows me all too well: http://pastebin.com/d693dee26 :) Jan 23 15:52:52 qwerty12: "you have 0.5gb free, please delete some of your porn to free more space"? Jan 23 15:53:11 ah Jan 23 15:53:12 ;) Jan 23 15:53:20 Stskeeps, Well, I'm waiting for that message to come up yet as I have 2.5gb left :P Jan 23 15:53:31 we should include that in homediskfree. Jan 23 15:53:43 with Clippy popping up. Jan 23 15:53:53 Hah, ubuntu's dch automatically puts a ubuntu1 epoch. Fuck that. Jan 23 15:54:10 qwerty12: it's based on lsb-release Jan 23 15:54:13 rest of us has same issue Jan 23 15:54:26 lol Jan 23 15:54:29 RST38h, VGBA asked me to pick a folder again. Jan 23 15:54:36 Stskeeps, ah Jan 23 15:54:37 but i can't do this based on user name :) Jan 23 15:55:17 Stskeeps, did the package install & remove fine btw? Jan 23 15:55:21 qwerty12: yes just fine Jan 23 15:55:26 didnt check removal though Jan 23 15:55:43 wicked, thanks for testing. heh, removing should be fine now that fakeroot.patch is going :) Jan 23 15:55:51 * lcuk wonders if he needs an email addy to be involved in mer :) Jan 23 15:55:53 * Stskeeps plays with mer-osso-xterm Jan 23 15:56:06 hi Jan 23 15:56:15 Am I the only one seeing http://maemo.org/ down? Jan 23 15:56:22 yes Jan 23 15:56:26 yes Jan 23 15:56:26 OK Jan 23 15:56:34 I guess the internet's broken for me Jan 23 15:56:47 lcuk: it's just a matter of mailing me really, so i can add people to the participants list and have some degree of contact and optionally invite people on jaiku if need be :) Jan 23 15:56:48 I get: Notice: Undefined index: last_modified in /mnt/netapp/pear/midcom/lib/midcom/services/cache/module/content.php on line 571 Jan 23 15:56:48 Notice: Undefined index: etag in /mnt/netapp/pear/midcom/lib/midcom/services/cache/module/content.php on line 571 Jan 23 15:56:48 Notice: Undefined index: sent_headers in /mnt/netapp/pear/midcom/lib/midcom/services/cache/module/content.php on line 571 Jan 23 15:56:48 Fatal error: Exception thrown without a stack frame in Unknown on line 0 Jan 23 15:56:53 Now you're banished to IRC forever! muhahahaha Jan 23 15:57:26 So maemo.org is fine for everyone else? Jan 23 15:57:41 dneary: yup Jan 23 15:57:49 As far as I can tell. Jan 23 15:58:05 Works fine over https Jan 23 15:58:08 But not http Jan 23 15:58:18 unless your DNS points maemo.org to internettablettalk.com :P Jan 23 15:58:21 X-Fade, do we happen to keep a history of user registrations? Jan 23 15:58:43 GeneralAntilles, should have, it was part of the original voting thing Jan 23 15:58:49 cos the date of registration was involved Jan 23 15:59:15 I'm thinking it would be interesting to correlate registrations to product releases, software announcements, and whatnot. Jan 23 15:59:51 woo, osso-xterm works on armel Jan 23 15:59:57 annoying blinking cursor though Jan 23 16:01:26 Stskeeps, I've updated the qemu package and removed the fakeroot patch. I'll reupload to trac.tspre.org/qwerty12 in a min, just need to generate a source package Jan 23 16:02:17 qwerty12: alright Jan 23 16:02:31 i'll test out on builder, usually the best way to see if something breaks :P Jan 23 16:02:47 done Jan 23 16:02:49 hehe Jan 23 16:02:55 * lcuk mails you Jan 23 16:06:45 lcuk: add Jan 23 16:06:45 ed Jan 23 16:06:57 where to? Jan 23 16:07:03 participants list :P Jan 23 16:07:30 johnx: btw go ahead and add yourself :P Jan 23 16:07:36 Hi, I've downloaded a series of ebooks to my n810 and am wondering if there's a better way to read them on more than machine than fbreader? Jan 23 16:07:56 Say I want to read some on my Mac, and then read more on the n810 when out. Jan 23 16:07:59 poor Chichvarkin( Jan 23 16:08:38 wheres that? Jan 23 16:08:47 Since they're in HTML, I thought about mailing them around in a document and putting the bookmark (some unique text) inline before saving it and mailing it to myself? Jan 23 16:09:03 The books are to big for Google docs or I'd use that. Jan 23 16:09:06 too Jan 23 16:09:59 qwerty12: set -e messes a bit with grep Jan 23 16:09:59 :) the new liqbase will be compatible with both x86 and NIT, the bookreader should therefore be compilable on multidevices to allow this kind of thing with shared user info Jan 23 16:10:18 Stskeeps, bollocks. Thanks Jan 23 16:10:20 qwerty12: if grep cannot find anything, then it might return non-zero Jan 23 16:10:48 ah. May as well remove it, it's not worth using || true as there's not much else in the file. Jan 23 16:10:55 hehe Jan 23 16:11:05 Stskeeps, which page i cant do searches in vnc Jan 23 16:11:15 * lcuk kicks his virgin connection in the nuts Jan 23 16:11:20 lcuk: http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer_Blueprint Jan 23 16:11:41 thank you stskeeps in disguise ;P Jan 23 16:11:43 Stskeeps, mind if I do it later? I'm busy converting raw gconf xml files into a nice & pretty schema file :) Jan 23 16:11:46 :) Jan 23 16:11:47 qwerty12: yes, sure Jan 23 16:11:49 qwerty12: no rush Jan 23 16:13:28 qwertys english teacher: did you do that essay I asked for?" qwerty: "well i converted it to HTML, made a debian/rules file and set it to install along with the rest of your classwork..." Jan 23 16:13:32 wtf, is jaiku not allowing messages being sent for channels today? Jan 23 16:13:36 Stskeeps: I've got kernel modules for 2.6.26.27 and 2.6.21 in /lib/modules Jan 23 16:13:47 r2d2rogers: hmmm. Jan 23 16:13:47 Stskeeps: jaiku seems to be a bit bent Jan 23 16:14:02 r2d2rogers: which in 2.6.21? Jan 23 16:14:03 Stskeeps: part of some google switchover or something? Jan 23 16:14:03 lcuk, lol :P Jan 23 16:14:07 /lib/modules/current points at the 2.6.21 also Jan 23 16:14:45 Hi, has anybody have retu-adc.c (a program to read the battery level) compiled? Jan 23 16:14:59 dob: dobi on jaiku btw? feel free to sign up more formally if you're interested :) (as listed on the Sprints page) Jan 23 16:15:21 jgwong, uhm, it's right there on the same page: http://my.arava.co.il/~matan/770/retu-adc Jan 23 16:15:49 qwerty12: Oh, I only saw the link to the source, thanks! Jan 23 16:16:10 np :) Jan 23 16:17:06 Stskeeps: yes that's me, I just don't know what I'd like to do yet :) Jan 23 16:17:10 hehe Jan 23 16:18:33 dob: what kind of tablet do you have? Jan 23 16:18:49 r2d2rogers: just curious which modules end up there :) Jan 23 16:18:55 Ho !!!.?...!!!! Modest just warn me that i ve got new email ... after 2 month of not working Jan 23 16:19:23 Khertan: it's been hibernating like the bears over winter Jan 23 16:19:28 wow, 2 months email backlog, that would tell me "you have 237423742346237484352 new mails" Jan 23 16:19:44 lcuk .... not with imap :) Jan 23 16:19:51 Stskeeps: a borrowed N800 Jan 23 16:19:57 it would still tell me how many new ones i had :) Jan 23 16:20:21 nope it tell you just only unread Jan 23 16:22:06 Stskeeps: http://pastebin.com/m67a0eb25 Jan 23 16:22:50 r2d2rogers: oh boy.. i wonder what causes that to come in Jan 23 16:23:21 sisusbvga.ko ? Jan 23 16:23:27 Stskeeps: want the list from 2.6.16? Jan 23 16:23:39 Khertan, been in initfs since diablo Jan 23 16:23:46 oh Jan 23 16:23:49 don't know Jan 23 16:24:12 r2d2rogers: no, i'm just wondering what dependancy caused it to come in Jan 23 16:24:17 Stskeeps, whatever did it obviously took "powerful, power-efficient, economical handheld computers" into account :p Jan 23 16:24:43 yes, a 770 that can do everything ;) Jan 23 16:24:46 * Khertan is cleaning his google docs account ... after creating 5000 documents Jan 23 16:24:47 ... Jan 23 16:24:55 Khertan, if emails havent been working for 2 months i would have that many unread mails Jan 23 16:24:56 r2d2rogers: dpkg -l | grep diablo Jan 23 16:24:59 i can say ... sync doesn't work well Jan 23 16:25:23 lcuk ... yep but i use other mail reader i don't read my email exclusively on my nit Jan 23 16:25:54 Stskeeps: kernel-diablo-modules and kernel-diablo-modules-fbcon Jan 23 16:26:20 khertan, how have you managed 5000 documents, are they cal entries which miss their target? Jan 23 16:26:23 or actual documents Jan 23 16:26:32 r2d2rogers: apt-get rdepends kernel-diablo-modules Jan 23 16:26:38 er, apt-cache Jan 23 16:26:52 this is my mnotes sync with google docs Jan 23 16:27:07 qwerty12: btw after removing set -e it works Jan 23 16:27:23 wont it blow up if you edit/create documents in google first and bring down to nit? Jan 23 16:27:23 Stskeeps, wicked, thanks. Will update the package later. Jan 23 16:27:40 each time i push a modified docs from mnotes it create a new docs instead of modify it Jan 23 16:27:52 Stskeeps: usbnet-emergency-telnetd Jan 23 16:28:01 r2d2rogers: oh bollocks Jan 23 16:28:03 i'll take a look Jan 23 16:28:10 thanks Jan 23 16:28:30 i think it s just a stupid error somewhere Jan 23 16:29:15 im surprised at the number, i create documents (sketches) much quicker and more often and only have ~2k Jan 23 16:29:56 http://code.google.com/p/gdata-issues/issues/detail?id=277 Jan 23 16:30:51 how would it know though? Jan 23 16:30:59 lcuk you haven't try the import feature of mnotes which try to import all things it can read from a path recursively ? Jan 23 16:31:01 do you download the doc, do a compare and upload if different? Jan 23 16:31:05 or do you just always upload? Jan 23 16:31:23 there is a timestamp of last update Jan 23 16:31:28 just use it to compare Jan 23 16:31:46 r2d2rogers: did you ever modify the read foo stuff btw into a bzr branch? Jan 23 16:32:03 r2d2rogers: I have not Jan 23 16:32:04 i ve added in mnotes all text file from my backup server :) just to see :) Jan 23 16:32:08 LOL Jan 23 16:32:11 "import all things recursively" you mean the contents of every file found on a path scan? Jan 23 16:32:11 Stskeeps: I have not Jan 23 16:32:21 lcuk : yep :) Jan 23 16:32:37 hi Jan 23 16:32:41 gulp just what do you consider text? Jan 23 16:32:43 this was a test to see if mnotes is not too slow when there is many notes Jan 23 16:32:47 r2d2rogers: removing then as i have it with me now Jan 23 16:32:49 Stskeeps: I only have the image branch right now Jan 23 16:32:57 Stskeeps: awesome, thanks Jan 23 16:33:03 there is nothing really usefull Jan 23 16:33:14 to do that Jan 23 16:33:50 cos i recurseively scan for documents in the book reader, but i dont randomly create thousands of files, though for stress testing i suppose you could create a document from each line in every document identified Jan 23 16:34:30 how fast/slow was your directory listing/building up of the grid with that many items, im imagining it would be sluggish Jan 23 16:36:40 wazd_n800: go mad - I'm having a play at http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jaffa/Sandbox/Mer_homepage - making a design which is wiki compatible is a fun challenge Jan 23 16:37:03 re Jan 23 16:37:08 Khertan, or do you use a database for storing notes in? Jan 23 16:38:25 jaffa, isnt that statement exactly the same as any embedded development :) the challenge is making something work in a constrained environment Jan 23 16:39:06 lcuk: indeed :) Jan 23 16:40:32 Jaffa: also, does it view OK on microb? :P Jan 23 16:40:44 * Stskeeps steps a couple of steps back Jan 23 16:41:27 r2d2rogers: we have osso-xterm now btw Jan 23 16:42:03 Stskeeps: I'm trying to get the touchscreen working again, an apt-get upgrade borked it Jan 23 16:42:15 will grab the xterm next though :) Jan 23 16:42:42 Stskeeps: yes, it will Jan 23 16:43:06 The CSS is simple; the ingenuity (even if I do say so myself) is working out a compelling design one can do in mediawiki Jan 23 16:45:48 Stskeeps: Mer Repo hiccup again? Jan 23 16:46:12 hi (second attempt) Jan 23 16:46:30 Stskeeps: hullo Jan 23 16:46:35 slonopotamus_: hello Jan 23 16:46:44 Stskeeps: sorry, missed the tab Jan 23 16:47:32 Stskeeps, did you hit failing ./configure in xf86-video-omapfb? Jan 23 16:47:49 ah, crap Jan 23 16:48:02 i think i've answered myself Jan 23 16:48:12 need dependency on xorg Jan 23 16:49:12 Stskeeps, sigh. Finished the gconf schema file by hand. Happen to know any programs for linux that check for duplicate lines inside the file just in case? Jan 23 16:49:30 qwerty hm sort and uniqe Jan 23 16:49:34 * StsN800 goes outside for another reboot and buys a new power supply Jan 23 16:49:39 :( Jan 23 16:49:43 woglinde, wicked. Thank you! Jan 23 16:55:39 StsN801, w00t! I've produced a proper package for advanced-power using the gconf schema method to install the correct entries :). I just need to package the advanced-power-monitor now. Jan 23 16:57:57 qwerty12, good job! Jan 23 16:58:18 * StsN801 watches his server reboot Jan 23 16:58:43 s/StsN801/StsN810/ Jan 23 16:58:55 "If you aint no punk holla we want http://repository.mer.tspre.org/" Jan 23 17:01:25 I think II can help with Mer homepage Jan 23 17:03:57 grr, definately power supply issues Jan 23 17:12:46 lo zenvoid Jan 23 17:17:34 StsN801: hello Jan 23 17:17:55 I'm testing Android in the freerunner Jan 23 17:18:02 * StsN801 tries to restart his server Jan 23 17:18:14 how is it? Jan 23 17:18:33 It has sounds for the UI, ringtones, etc Jan 23 17:18:35 StsN801 should be stable now Jan 23 17:18:43 and keyboard Jan 23 17:19:02 maybe those sounds are under the apache license Jan 23 17:19:10 I'm looking at the sources Jan 23 17:20:47 StsN801, Packaged advanced-power-monitor (and learnt how to use dh_installinit :)). I'll send to the builder in about 10 mins Jan 23 17:21:40 qwerty12, k, but repo is down atm Jan 23 17:21:45 shitfuck Jan 23 17:21:50 so wait for my signal Jan 23 17:22:07 Well, the source packages can sit pretty on my hard drive for the time being :) Jan 23 17:22:20 Roger that Jan 23 17:23:40 I'm not going to bother packaging the themes though - the user can use the icon set provided by their current theme or the icon set that comes with adv-power by default Jan 23 17:25:31 What's advanced-power-monitor? Jan 23 17:25:55 qwerty12, just upload to incoming but dont /import Jan 23 17:26:19 ShadowJK, The person who made advanced-power split up the gathering information part into a daemon so other programs can get information from it. Jan 23 17:26:22 StsN801, cool. Jan 23 17:26:53 Uh, so what's advanced-power? Jan 23 17:27:13 * ShadowJK googles Jan 23 17:30:00 qwerty12, can import now Jan 23 17:30:10 k Jan 23 17:33:11 StsN801, is jaiku fucking up? Jan 23 17:33:14 qwerty12: Is that finished? Will that allow me to read the battery level via command line? Jan 23 17:33:43 jgwong, dunno, I just have it installed so that the advanced-power applet works. Jan 23 17:34:12 If you want to read from command line, there's things like battery-status, retu-adc, kcbatt etc Jan 23 17:34:16 s/etc// Jan 23 17:34:16 qwerty12 meant: If you want to read from command line, there's things like battery-status, retu-adc, kcbatt Jan 23 17:34:36 StsN801/wazd/other mer folks: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jaffa/Sandbox/Mer_homepage is basically done now. Looks good in microb & webkit and Firefox. Subpages behind buttons are in place. Would like feedback & sign-off before replacing existing homepage and, also, any ideas on how best to not have "Latest Activity" pushing over the navigation/toolbox stuff in the maemo_org wikimedia theme. Jan 23 17:35:25 qwerty12: Nice, thanks Jan 23 17:36:41 Jaffa: how about changing About to Goals? Jan 23 17:37:01 dob: The heading, rather than the button? Jan 23 17:37:09 Jaffa: yes Jan 23 17:37:29 dob: done Jan 23 17:38:22 Jaffa: the bullet color should be changed, it blends in to the background Jan 23 17:38:52 dob: indeed. However, to do so would mean masses more HTML rather than just using the wiki syntax. Making it harder to maintain Jan 23 17:39:11 So I decided not to, and shrug my shoulders at such issues ;-) Jan 23 17:40:48 qwerty12, yes Jan 23 17:40:55 bollocks Jan 23 17:42:26 StsN801, any objections to me marking qemu task as completed? I've rebuilt without set -e. Jan 23 17:42:55 (I've tested the prerm script successfully on that front) Jan 23 17:48:47 qwerty12: yes, go ahead - remember to update SDK documentation on wiki Jan 23 17:50:35 * Jaffa pokes Stskeeps as well as StsN801 now :) Jan 23 17:50:37 Stskeeps, meh, maybe later :P Jan 23 17:50:54 qwerty12: k Jan 23 17:51:02 Jaffa: sorry, refresh what you said, was on tablet in another building Jan 23 17:51:22 Stskeeps: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jaffa/Sandbox/Mer_homepage is basically done now. Looks good in microb & webkit and Firefox. Subpages behind buttons are in place. Would like feedback & sign-off before replacing existing homepage and, also, any ideas on how best to not have "Latest Activity" pushing over the navigation/toolbox stuff in the maemo_org wikimedia theme. Jan 23 17:52:47 Jaffa: section beneath the buttons "What's happening right now?" Jan 23 17:54:23 Stskeeps: so the buttons go in the middle? Jan 23 17:54:25 * Jaffa gives it a go Jan 23 17:54:43 yes Jan 23 17:59:52 Stskeeps: I've actually now tried putting the buttons and the feed side-by-side (since it's micro-blogging). A few tweaks still required, but it's promising. Jan 23 18:00:54 *nod* Jan 23 18:02:47 if it's possible see if you can grab author as well in the microblogging list Jan 23 18:05:14 I don't know how configurable the RSS extension is. Will investigate Jan 23 18:10:09 Stskeeps: where can I find the kernel-module-dependencie? Jan 23 18:10:35 radic: er, tablet? ;) Jan 23 18:10:40 which one Jan 23 18:10:50 yes, on the N800 Jan 23 18:11:23 they should be in repository Jan 23 18:11:37 kernel-diablo-modules and such Jan 23 18:11:49 Stskeeps: I use a self compiled kernel and modules Jan 23 18:16:30 Stskeeps: borked touchscreen on 770 again, due to synaptics drive being tried it seems Jan 23 18:16:33 radic: ah, - then you need to generate the packages yourself Jan 23 18:18:08 Stskeeps: I want only to know wich modules must be loaded first that I dosn't get unresolved symboles... Jan 23 18:18:13 radic: which kernel, btw? Jan 23 18:18:37 2.6.21 Jan 23 18:18:49 and what changes did you do to it? Jan 23 18:18:56 hi Jan 23 18:19:43 radic, symlink all the modules in /mnt/initfs/lib/modules/`uname -r`/ to /lib/modules/`uname -r` and then run "depmod -a" (http://sse2.net/depmod) and then you can use modprobe. Jan 23 18:20:11 of course, I assume that you'll put your new modules in /lib/modules/`uname -r` Jan 23 18:21:12 I need a new tablet. I just sold my n800 on ebay to have money buy the n810 - the deal from buy.com... and the deal is gone. I have no tablet and I need one. Should I buy n810 or wait for the new one? Any idea how long before the new one is out?? Jan 23 18:21:28 qwerty12: thx Jan 23 18:21:42 ioan: noone really knows, first in summer i think Jan 23 18:22:50 that's too far away, I need a tablet... lets hope the buy.com deal ($219) will pop out somewhere else Jan 23 18:24:11 qwerty12: I did "make nokia_2420_defconfig" but it seems it isn't exact the default-configuration of the kernel in der latest OS2008-image Jan 23 18:24:28 radic, really? I've never noticed any differences. Jan 23 18:33:24 hello again Jan 23 18:33:42 i m trying to install mer in the train from the installer Jan 23 18:34:12 hehe Jan 23 18:34:13 where can i found the dependancy e2fspprog ? Jan 23 18:34:55 it should be in extras Jan 23 18:34:58 the other was found in maemo repository Jan 23 18:35:07 sure ? Jan 23 18:35:17 do mer have a working browser? Jan 23 18:35:29 t_s_o: midori Jan 23 18:35:37 heh... Jan 23 18:35:40 with an other package name ? Jan 23 18:35:50 khertan_n810: ok, extras-devel has it Jan 23 18:36:10 hmm, seems like the development of both tear and webkit-eal have slowed down... Jan 23 18:36:21 hum i ve extras devel too Jan 23 18:36:34 * khertan_n810 is apt-get updating Jan 23 18:36:36 khertan_n810: i see it in extras-devel at least :) Jan 23 18:36:43 ok Jan 23 18:36:49 i m trying again Jan 23 18:37:13 The App Mgr won't pull things from repos if you're installing from a file Jan 23 18:37:27 hello Jan 23 18:37:34 i know that Jan 23 18:37:42 merinstaller to extras-devel is in scope pre-1.0 Jan 23 18:37:50 ? Jan 23 18:37:52 Jaffa: yet another nokia "save the user from themselves" thing? Jan 23 18:37:58 i used apt-get install e2fsprog Jan 23 18:38:12 khertan_n810, e2fsprogs Jan 23 18:38:40 i configure'd, make'd and make installe'd the source of the current pulseaudio-version Jan 23 18:38:40 ouch : Erreur d'écriture - write (28 No space left on device) Jan 23 18:38:40 t_s_o, no, a "let's not encourage broken behaviours" Jan 23 18:38:51 but i can't find the binarys Jan 23 18:38:52 t_s_o, dpkg doesn't fetch dependencies, either. Jan 23 18:38:59 t_s_o: dunno; dpkg/apt doesn't - I'm not sure it occurred to them as a really popular usecase Jan 23 18:39:14 We don't want to make installing a .deb easy Jan 23 18:39:26 i'm a beginner in compiling sourcecodes please help :| Jan 23 18:39:28 Things should be distributed and installed through repositories. Jan 23 18:39:56 i think its "popular" out of ease of distribution. no need to set up a repo or try to get it onto extra Jan 23 18:40:05 thopiekar, unless you --prefixed=/usr to configure, you'll probably find the stuff under /usr/local Jan 23 18:40:43 especially for someone that hacked together a solution to scratch a itch Jan 23 18:41:01 qwerty12_N800: hmm thanks I will try it on sb1 now Jan 23 18:41:10 t_s_o: sucks for the future of the platform to have a (possibly temporary) developer distibute sourceless binary pkgs Jan 23 18:41:32 Jaffa: true that tho, but shit happens all the time... Jan 23 18:41:59 * thopiekar foreget to say that he is _trying_ to build pulseaudio for his tablet... Jan 23 18:42:34 the installer is only 0.27Mo so it ll download all necessary things for mer ? Jan 23 18:42:45 funny thing is that i suspect that attempting to get everyone to do something the "right way" will at times alienate potential contributors... Jan 23 18:42:49 qwerty12_N800: I get this output: Jan 23 18:42:50 [sbox-DIABLO_ARMEL: ~/pulseaudio-0.9.14/src] > make install --prefixed=/usr Jan 23 18:42:50 make: unrecognized option `--prefixed=/usr' Jan 23 18:42:56 --prefix= Jan 23 18:43:03 aaah false dir Jan 23 18:43:11 ^ & it's to ./configure too Jan 23 18:43:23 same Jan 23 18:43:34 t_s_o not really it has slow down a bit my dev but it s force me to make py2deb :) Jan 23 18:43:41 thopiekar: pulseaudio isn't exactly trivial to put on tablet :P Jan 23 18:43:57 qwerty12_N800: rebooting merbuilder Jan 23 18:44:00 i'll build it for you Jan 23 18:44:03 t_s_o: difficult balance to strike :-( Jan 23 18:44:13 Stskeeps, cool. Jan 23 18:44:14 t_s_o, that's why you try to make the right way simple and friendly. Jan 23 18:44:19 why do you want pulseaudio ? Jan 23 18:44:21 Jaffa: i think you just described life Jan 23 18:44:39 * mgedmin wants pulseaudio for network-enabled speakers Jan 23 18:44:43 GeneralAntilles: package building stuff would be a lot easier if tablet had dh_make for instance :P Jan 23 18:45:00 imagine media player on the tablet playing through my avahi-discoverable office jukebox Jan 23 18:45:15 mgedmin: we use pulseaudio in Mer but we don't have any sound yet :> Jan 23 18:45:22 dh_make and all other standart debian tools Jan 23 18:45:27 * Jaffa bingles mud v1.8 which has made doing a "proper" vim simple Jan 23 18:45:50 is "bingles" some sort of British slang for "releases"? Jan 23 18:45:50 and a easy way to replace busybox Jan 23 18:46:24 jaffa, does mud could build gtksourceview and his python binding ? Jan 23 18:46:36 mgedmin: British talker slang for something like sis very happy with - so happy I'll sprinkle some (manly) glitter over it" Jan 23 18:46:45 qwerty12_N800: could you please explain how to build the binary more detailed? I'm just a beginner in these thinks^^ Jan 23 18:47:17 khertan_n810: the Debian package pulled in the world. Is there a tarball? Jan 23 18:47:29 qwerty12_N800: ./configure; make ; make install --prefix=/usr ? Jan 23 18:47:54 thopiekar, NO. I said prefix is passed to configure already. Jan 23 18:48:33 surelly ..; Jan 23 18:48:41 But don t ask me the links right now ... Jan 23 18:48:56 loagavg here is 9.04 Jan 23 18:49:12 i ve just explode my own record Jan 23 18:51:40 qwerty12_N800: advanced power built, building the other component.. Jan 23 18:51:58 r2d2rogers: ping Jan 23 18:53:05 qwerty12_N800: i just remembered, we need hald-addon-bme for this to work :> Jan 23 18:53:21 if it uses HAL for battery metering Jan 23 18:53:34 * qwerty12_N800 chases after Stskeeps with a bat. grrr :P Jan 23 18:53:47 qwerty12_N800: we'll test it on x86 and see how it reacts to AC power Jan 23 18:53:48 :P Jan 23 18:54:11 qwerty12_N800: both built Jan 23 18:54:20 cool :/ Jan 23 18:54:46 * Stskeeps tries to install on virtualbox Jan 23 18:56:08 qwerty12_N800: and aufter I did modprob -a I have to wirte a script that loads the modules with modprobe? Jan 23 18:57:15 depmod -a actually but yes, you'll need to make a simple script to modprobe the modules Jan 23 18:57:32 qwerty12_N800: all modules? Jan 23 18:57:58 well, the ones you want loaded Jan 23 19:01:32 /home/user # modprobe cifs Jan 23 19:02:24 insmod: cannot insert '/lib/modules/2.6.21-omap1/cifs.ko': File exists (-1): File exists Jan 23 19:02:24 modprobe: failed to load module cifs Jan 23 19:02:52 lsmod doesn't list the module as already loaded? Jan 23 19:03:14 qwerty12_N800: hmm, I did cat /proc/modules Jan 23 19:03:50 cifs is not loaded Jan 23 19:05:50 * Stskeeps ponders on python-gnome vs python-gnome2 Jan 23 19:06:42 python-gnome doesn't exist any more, I believe Jan 23 19:07:14 yeah, but it's called python-gnome in maemo, and python-gnome2 in ubuntu/debian :) Jan 23 19:08:58 Stskeeps: pong Jan 23 19:08:59 do 'dmesg' Jan 23 19:09:21 r2d2rogers: apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade; and apt-get remove kernel-diablo-modules Jan 23 19:09:32 and see if it works Jan 23 19:09:56 qwerty12_N800: lol, I know the problem... Jan 23 19:10:17 qwerty12_N800: cifs-support is compiled in the kernel Jan 23 19:10:32 running... Jan 23 19:10:39 hah, didn't see that one coming :) Jan 23 19:13:18 qwerty12_N800: advanced power depends on python2.5-gnome but it is python2.5-gnome2 now Jan 23 19:13:22 btw Jan 23 19:14:19 Stskeeps: any way to get the version of osso-xterm that has the vertical shortcuts instead/also? Jan 23 19:14:19 Stskeeps, skeen. i thought I was being safe by doing 'python2.5-gnome | python-gnome' :). Ah well, please change & rebuild. Jan 23 19:15:12 r2d2rogers: i think libvte changes has first priority, but feel free to add it to http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Sprints/0.7 Jan 23 19:15:45 wilco Jan 23 19:15:54 will figure out which that is also Jan 23 19:16:46 i'm going to patch xserver-xorg-video-omapfb a bit Jan 23 19:17:59 Stskeeps: rebooting tablet Jan 23 19:18:16 k Jan 23 19:18:35 (--) ADS784x Touchscreen: no supported touchpad found Jan 23 19:19:32 Stskeeps: (--) ADS784x Touchscreen: no supported touchpad found Jan 23 19:19:48 Stskeeps: it's trying to load the synaptics module for the touchscreen Jan 23 19:19:57 Stskeeps: can't change much in the output of the element, but I've finished the CSS tweaks on User:Jaffa/Sandbox/Mer_homepage Jan 23 19:37:37 hey Jan 23 19:37:47 I can't find rtcomm sources... Jan 23 19:38:12 Does anybody know where I should have a look ? Jan 23 19:38:13 qwerty12_N800: now the N800 is crashed Jan 23 19:38:34 Stskeeps: solved: sudo dpkg -P xserver-xorg-input-all xserver-xorg-input-synaptics Jan 23 19:47:21 qwerty12_N800: I tried to build pulseaudio, but it seems that something is missing Jan 23 19:48:17 i tried building on the newest sourcepackage from the official site and on the source by ubuntu's apt Jan 23 19:48:33 but there is allways the same message.. Jan 23 19:48:50 * thopiekar is now pastbin'ing it Jan 23 19:49:04 is there any way to install any newer version of libc6 ... i need to install a python module that requires a version greater than 2.7-1. is there any repository containing any new version of libc6? the version installed at the tablet is the 2.5.0-1osso10, is it the newest one ported for the tablet? Jan 23 19:49:59 StOrM_NW nope Jan 23 19:50:09 maybee on freemantle Jan 23 19:50:40 r2d2rogers: there's a packages_exclude thing in imager Jan 23 19:50:59 Jaffa: looks good now Jan 23 19:51:24 http://pastebin.com/m162f5226 Jan 23 19:52:04 woglinde_, is this the version 5 of maemo? Jan 23 19:52:45 Stskeeps: Happy for me to move it over to be the main page? Jan 23 19:52:51 Hi again Jan 23 19:53:33 Stskeeps: you should also stop metalayer-crawler and media*d with the mer installer Jan 23 19:53:46 as it can keep the sd card busy Jan 23 19:53:51 sry here is the output from the terminal: Jan 23 19:53:51 http://pastebin.com/d10103774 Jan 23 19:53:57 StOrM_NW yes Jan 23 19:54:06 hum ... my main computer is dead Jan 23 19:54:10 khertan_: ah, possible Jan 23 19:54:13 Jaffa: go for it Jan 23 19:54:32 the cpu is collapsed on the mainboard Jan 23 19:54:45 seems that the cpu fan died today Jan 23 19:56:31 installing Mer with a phone data connection is really slow Jan 23 19:56:33 :) Jan 23 19:56:49 specially with bad network coverage Jan 23 19:56:54 khertan_: my hsdpa is fine Jan 23 19:56:58 ah, then yeah Jan 23 19:56:59 :) Jan 23 19:58:14 82% ... Jan 23 19:58:17 Stskeeps: done :-) Jan 23 19:59:08 Stskeeps: I'm trying to use Yahoo! Pipes on the Jaiku RSS feed to improve the quality of the output Jan 23 20:00:39 thopiekar, googled for "pulsecore "ltdl.h: No such file or directory"" ? Jan 23 20:01:21 98% .... Jan 23 20:03:38 andre__: no it's even my 'first' build from a sourcepackage Jan 23 20:08:39 thanks andre__.. it seems that libltdl3-dev was missing... Jan 23 20:08:56 Stskeeps: digging into imager for the exclude, thanks Jan 23 20:09:42 hum ... just a question about the mer install Jan 23 20:09:52 he ask me for a root password Jan 23 20:10:04 and then the xterm win closed itself Jan 23 20:10:21 is there nothing saying that the install is finished ? Jan 23 20:10:22 did you use advanced or simple? Jan 23 20:10:27 simple Jan 23 20:10:31 hmm Jan 23 20:10:49 i don't like this 'hmm' Jan 23 20:10:54 khertan_: give me a second :) Jan 23 20:11:09 i use it too frequently to say 1 min after ... it s a bug Jan 23 20:11:14 wait the next release :) Jan 23 20:11:31 khertan_: yeah, nothing's damaged just for good measure :) Jan 23 20:11:55 khertan_: open a x terminal and sudo gainroot, and then write refresh_bootmenu.d Jan 23 20:12:06 i assume you have installed the bootmenu before this Jan 23 20:12:14 yes of course :) Jan 23 20:12:49 * thopiekar just want to install mer on his device, to give the devs some feedback, but he don't know how... Jan 23 20:12:54 this command will put the boot menu item into the bootmenu and restart Jan 23 20:12:58 thopiekar: what device? Jan 23 20:12:59 thopiekar: you have VirtualBox on your PC? Jan 23 20:13:02 N800 Jan 23 20:13:07 that way you can try it out too. Jan 23 20:13:13 Stskeeps: too Jan 23 20:13:24 thanks Jan 23 20:13:56 Stskeeps: hum ... write ? Jan 23 20:14:12 lol as a dumb asshole i enter write as a commands ... lol Jan 23 20:14:16 i m really tired Jan 23 20:14:23 khertan_: hehe, i know the feeling Jan 23 20:14:48 it ll flash initfs right ? Jan 23 20:14:54 yes Jan 23 20:15:06 it will update initfs with a new bootmenu configuration Jan 23 20:15:07 just to be sure :) Jan 23 20:16:21 something is strange about install_bootmenu.desktop ... i think a dependancy is missing ... as it try sudo gainroot ... and as i ven't it ... Jan 23 20:16:33 oh, do you have 'rootsh'? Jan 23 20:16:37 it wasn't work the first time :) Jan 23 20:16:54 Stskeeps: got a exclude in, will test before pushing it Jan 23 20:16:56 i ven't before launching bootmenu the first time Jan 23 20:18:26 by before i mean before launching the install of mer_***.deb Jan 23 20:18:35 *nod* Jan 23 20:18:46 reboot in progress Jan 23 20:18:56 arg ... delay is really short ! Jan 23 20:19:13 yes, it is :P if you have any problems, just say, i'll help :) Jan 23 20:19:23 ok ... i ll look Jan 23 20:19:33 * khertan_ 's nit is rebooting :) Jan 23 20:19:48 khertan_: did the "hold down menu key to get into boot menu" show up? Jan 23 20:20:24 r2d2rogers: compiling new omapfb btw Jan 23 20:20:32 yep ... but i ve got the time to do it ... it display the message ... then ... hop ... 1/2s after boot is on flash :) Jan 23 20:20:42 hehe Jan 23 20:20:45 yeah, it's rather quick Jan 23 20:20:56 and the time to push the wrong hw button ... (home) ... : Jan 23 20:21:05 and realize i do a mistake :) Jan 23 20:21:11 Stskeeps: fun, should I try the advanced power package? Jan 23 20:21:24 r2d2rogers: we need hald-addon-bme to make sense of it :( Jan 23 20:21:24 third try :) Jan 23 20:21:43 grrrr stupid dpad Jan 23 20:21:50 need a 4th try Jan 23 20:22:03 * khertan_ isn't lucky today Jan 23 20:22:03 khertan_: i have popped my battery a many a time :P Jan 23 20:22:24 is there some proc value that i can cat to see the state of the battery? Jan 23 20:22:34 StOrM_NW: lshal Jan 23 20:22:40 it s annoying to use menu button on n810 ... as it difficult to push the power button keyboard opened Jan 23 20:22:48 thanks Jan 23 20:23:26 hoho ... i clearly prefer the boot image of mer :) Jan 23 20:24:46 but it s clear too that the boot sequence is longer than maemo Jan 23 20:24:52 yeah Jan 23 20:25:03 on the other hand, we're more flexible Jan 23 20:25:06 but for 1 min every month ... :) Jan 23 20:25:08 Stskeeps: so is the omapfb you are compiling the merged stuff from the pingu git repo you linked me to on the 16th? Jan 23 20:25:16 r2d2rogers: yeah Jan 23 20:25:24 \o/ Jan 23 20:25:34 * r2d2rogers takes that off his todo list Jan 23 20:26:03 hum ... qwerty keyboard Jan 23 20:26:32 and no î Jan 23 20:26:36 to enter my fullname Jan 23 20:26:52 khertan_: yeah, admittedly we're not that international yet :P Jan 23 20:28:13 humm ... it s seems that trying advanced-backlight rotate feature is a bad idea :) Jan 23 20:28:18 khertan_: yup Jan 23 20:28:25 im not sure why but it is ;) Jan 23 20:29:03 * khertan_ is trying to connect with ssh on a device not connected to the network :( Jan 23 20:29:18 on 0.6 there is no xterm ? Jan 23 20:29:27 no, sadly not, but 0.7 will have it Jan 23 20:29:27 or shortcut to go in console ? Jan 23 20:29:49 shortcut to go in console.. rotate button in advanced backlight Jan 23 20:29:51 ;) Jan 23 20:30:03 nope ... i m staying with a nice picture Jan 23 20:30:10 ah, then it doesnt update properly :P Jan 23 20:30:25 but yes, a missing xterm was a huge problem Jan 23 20:30:28 we have it now though Jan 23 20:30:55 hum holding power button doesn't help Jan 23 20:31:13 khertan_: as it says, not expecting too much of it :) Jan 23 20:31:21 the power button thing is actually a UI trick Jan 23 20:31:36 pop the battery to reboot Jan 23 20:31:41 i know i should not expect too much Jan 23 20:31:51 but this is already clearly amazing Jan 23 20:32:13 and if i'm trying it this is entirely your fault ... with your screenshots ... :) Jan 23 20:32:13 hehe, after making 100+ branches of stuff ;) Jan 23 20:32:41 we hope that 0.7 will be a little more user friendly. Jan 23 20:32:48 with xterm, application manager, etc Jan 23 20:33:43 wb meiz Jan 23 20:33:44 there isn't any wifi yet ? Jan 23 20:33:46 Meiz_n810: we have osso-xterm now Jan 23 20:33:53 khertan_: sure there is, isn't it in the top right corner? Jan 23 20:34:00 * Meiz_n810 say it in jaiku Jan 23 20:34:04 saw Jan 23 20:34:10 Yay, Yahoo! Pipes FTW Jan 23 20:34:14 Meiz_n810: hehe, yeah, jaiku has been a bit wonking today Jan 23 20:34:21 sorry ... i ven't see that this is network connection icon Jan 23 20:34:32 khertan_: it's fine, we really need new icons for that thing :P Jan 23 20:34:41 Stskeeps: i saw those messages on #merbuilder too :D Jan 23 20:36:04 Stskeeps: author & date stamps now in "Latest Activity" bucket Jan 23 20:36:09 Jaffa: ta :) Jan 23 20:36:23 Jaffa: much appreciated, i don't own a shred of aesthetics :P Jan 23 20:37:08 * Jaffa eagerly awaits his free copy of Mer as a "thank you" ;-) Jan 23 20:37:33 hehe Jan 23 20:38:35 * Stskeeps tries to see if xserver-xorg-video-omapfb updates breaks everything Jan 23 20:40:39 r2d2rogers: i think synaptics mess up on n800 too Jan 23 20:41:16 ahha Jan 23 20:41:30 take it out and it works fine Jan 23 20:41:36 confirm in Xorg log Jan 23 20:41:47 yeah, it seems to load "no supported touchpad" Jan 23 20:41:52 Yup Jan 23 20:44:50 i'll exclude both in n800 and 77 Jan 23 20:44:51 0 Jan 23 20:45:36 cool Jan 23 20:45:56 xserver-xorg-input-synaptics xserver-xorg-input-all are the sinners, right? Jan 23 20:45:58 I'll revert my change for the merge, as I think you have a better grasp of that part than I do Jan 23 20:46:03 right, Jan 23 20:46:15 but do we need other drivers that the input-all pulls in? Jan 23 20:46:28 it removes this afterwards, so Jan 23 20:47:58 committed, pushed Jan 23 20:48:23 bien Jan 23 20:49:49 Stskeeps: time fot apt-get update;apt-get upgrade? Jan 23 20:49:56 qwerty12_N800, whats the name of the theme you are using in the screenshot of wmlbrowser Jan 23 20:49:57 ? Jan 23 20:50:08 r2d2rogers: go ahead Jan 23 20:50:25 disco_stu, tritanium Jan 23 20:50:38 is very nice :) Jan 23 20:51:35 Yeah, a really nice theme by the lcars guys :). it's in extras Jan 23 20:51:55 I just started using it Jan 23 20:53:22 i spend the last 10 days in Chile on vacation Jan 23 20:53:33 so i've lost the updates Jan 23 20:56:42 Stskeeps: not working. Jan 23 20:56:48 trying to figure out logs now Jan 23 20:56:49 r2d2rogers: which is not working? Jan 23 20:56:54 X Jan 23 20:56:57 hm Jan 23 20:58:21 http://paste2.org/p/134710 Jan 23 20:59:18 xsession errors is huge Jan 23 20:59:57 X-Fade/GeneralAntilles: ping Jan 23 21:00:19 r2d2rogers: reboot ideally Jan 23 21:00:28 will again Jan 23 21:00:42 Pong Jan 23 21:01:16 woo, i made gnome-keyring shut up \o/ Jan 23 21:01:18 Stskeeps: also see trac.tspre in /home/rd2rogers for xsession-errors20090123.txt Jan 23 21:01:40 GeneralAntilles: I've created a new article in the council blog folder but it's not appearing. I selected the 'council' category - is it just a case of being patient or have I done something wrong (or is something broken?) Jan 23 21:02:05 Jaffa, stale cache? Jan 23 21:02:08 I see it in there. Jan 23 21:02:13 Oh, cool Jan 23 21:02:31 You've got an errant codebox in there, though. Jan 23 21:02:35 r2d2rogers: just dead X in there and your previous xsessions Jan 23 21:03:04 hmm Jan 23 21:03:09 GeneralAntilles: I still don't see it at all. If I drill down to the archive (a page I've never looked at), I can't see it there either. Jan 23 21:03:16 will try again if reboot doesn't work Jan 23 21:03:24 k Jan 23 21:03:31 http://maemo.org/community/council/council_election_voting-your_choice_to_act/ Jan 23 21:03:32 otherwise we'll test with the old omapfb Jan 23 21:04:18 GeneralAntilles: hmm. OK, I'll fix the problems and try refreshing again later Jan 23 21:05:30 Stskeeps: odd that it took two reboots to fix? Jan 23 21:05:41 working fine now Jan 23 21:05:50 r2d2rogers: we're approaching windows standards it seems.. Jan 23 21:05:55 :( Jan 23 21:07:35 trying application manager Jan 23 21:07:50 no load... Jan 23 21:08:01 what's needed for the screen rotate? Jan 23 21:08:18 i'm honestly not sure - rotation enabled kernel, maybe X driver support Jan 23 21:08:27 kulve: does xf86-video-omapfb do rotation? Jan 23 21:13:43 for what is observability.ko? Jan 23 21:13:53 Nokia's secret tracking module Jan 23 21:14:04 re Jan 23 21:14:11 Jaffa, very nice page layout :) especially impressed with the background styling Jan 23 21:14:18 The GPS works perfectly, they only make it look crap so you won't suspect it being used to feed data to $YOUR_GOVTS_SECRET_KEEPERS Jan 23 21:16:17 god, it's just so nice to have a working x terminal. Jan 23 21:18:14 but defiitely less fun than having a working vt220 terminal at your bedside Jan 23 21:18:24 yes, you're right :P Jan 23 21:19:25 Ok, added virtual keyboard to Speccy and also fixed a few joystick problems Jan 23 21:19:39 Not sure if all virtual keys work but we will see Jan 23 21:19:50 rst pandora? Jan 23 21:19:59 woglinde: ? Jan 23 21:20:12 rst the machine you are working on Jan 23 21:24:04 RST38h, how long will it take you to add one to fMSX? :) Jan 23 21:24:25 Of course, not pushing or anything Jan 23 21:26:18 RST38h, does the virtual keyboard do keyword expansion (ie "J" into LOAD) and shift P into " ? Jan 23 21:26:32 or alt or whatever itwas Jan 23 21:27:01 or are we working from spectrum +2 levels where people were truster to type their own keywords Jan 23 21:28:14 lo b-man Jan 23 21:28:29 hello Jan 23 21:30:57 * b-man is going nutz because of an annoying "USB device not supported" notice..... he doesn't even have a usb device connected 0_o Jan 23 21:31:30 Stskeeps: does the wifi wep work on mer ? Jan 23 21:31:37 khertan_: should Jan 23 21:31:44 well Jan 23 21:31:46 i have tested WPA2. Jan 23 21:31:57 which makes it awkward if WEP doesn't work :P Jan 23 21:32:22 yep Jan 23 21:32:28 i m not able to connect ... Jan 23 21:32:50 awkward then :) Jan 23 21:33:34 if it continues acting up file a bug so we can keep track of the weird things the versions exhibit Jan 23 21:35:37 qwerty: just an hour or so Jan 23 21:35:53 lcuk: I think you will have to hold Fn for SSHIFT Jan 23 21:36:43 qwerty12_N800: for what is observability.ko? Jan 23 21:36:48 RST38h, wicked, thank you. Jan 23 21:36:56 Stskeeps: i ll try to see if i ven't made any mistake ... and if this is not the case i ll fill a bug Jan 23 21:36:59 i wonder how difficult it would be to make an actual rubber keyed spectrum act as a usb keyboard :) Jan 23 21:37:15 radic, no idea. run strings on it or something Jan 23 21:38:11 lcuk: Not difficult but bothersome Jan 23 21:38:18 qwerty12_N800: it lets my N800 crash Jan 23 21:38:36 wonder if network manager could make the usbnet useable after booting, instead of selecting it at runtime Jan 23 21:38:42 RST38h, ok, simpler, just a cleverly disguised overlay on my apple BT keyboard Jan 23 21:39:27 Stskeeps: I guess it's more up to the framebuffer below the x driver Jan 23 21:39:39 xf86-video-omapfb doesn't do anything for it Jan 23 21:39:39 lcuk: It looks different =) And lags, too Jan 23 21:39:57 lol @ the truth in that Jan 23 21:40:01 kulve: alright Jan 23 21:40:27 kulve: thanks for the answer :) Jan 23 21:40:35 lcuk: notice that speccy keyboard NEVER lagged! Jan 23 21:40:37 ;) Jan 23 21:40:46 I guess the x.org driver might (maybe, just guessing here) implement e.g. xrandr quite easily IF the lower level FB driver supports it Jan 23 21:41:12 RST38h, i have noticed an inverse corrolation between increasing computer speed and responsiveness :) Jan 23 21:41:18 Hello Jan 23 21:41:22 is there any tool that i can use that can do the same thing of hciconfig and pand? Jan 23 21:41:47 storm_nw under settings Jan 23 21:41:51 is the bt manager Jan 23 21:42:14 anything that i can use without gui Jan 23 21:42:15 ? Jan 23 21:42:22 terminal Jan 23 21:42:25 yes, but it's very important to have the command line tools itself Jan 23 21:42:38 were they removed from the package bluez-utils? Jan 23 21:42:44 lcuk: Alas... Jan 23 21:42:46 dont know if there are dbus commands Jan 23 21:42:53 Anyone knows GDK_ keycode for the CHR key? Jan 23 21:44:12 brenojac, install bluez-utils-test Jan 23 21:44:29 yes, great Jan 23 21:44:35 I found it on the web too Jan 23 21:44:37 let me test Jan 23 21:45:35 RST38h, what's the xev output after pressing it (N800, so I can't do it) Jan 23 21:45:37 thanks a lot Jan 23 21:45:40 cheers Jan 23 21:46:19 The following packages have unmet dependencies. bluez-utils-test: Depends: bluez-utils (= 3.28-0osso4) but 3.28-0osso6 is to be installed E: Broken packages Jan 23 21:47:59 is it safe to remove the previous version of bluez-utils? Jan 23 21:50:55 qwerty: Already found it, it is GDK_Multi_key Jan 23 21:51:10 qwerty: Will make it act as ALT or GRAPH on MSX Jan 23 21:54:43 RST38h, ah, cool Jan 23 21:56:15 stskeep : wpa works Jan 23 21:56:30 anyway it should be forbidden to use only wep :) Jan 23 21:58:35 hehe Jan 23 21:58:55 hum ... can t ssh on it Jan 23 21:59:17 seems that password isn't recognize Jan 23 22:00:03 try with the first letter uppercase Jan 23 22:00:07 :) Jan 23 22:00:53 surely something related to qwerty ... number not working ... Jan 23 22:00:54 :) Jan 23 22:00:57 hehe Jan 23 22:35:06 Hi, I've tried googling but found nothing useful -- is there a way to set up alarms (for alarmd) via command line? Jan 23 22:36:50 morning johnx Jan 23 22:44:11 jgwong: someone (qwerty12?) wrote a little command line wrapper for it Jan 23 22:44:52 * Stskeeps ponders how to make a vmdk bootable from outside vmware Jan 23 22:45:25 Probably doable (assuming no massive h/w hardcoded dependencies) without some qemu-img or dd fun Jan 23 22:45:43 Jaffa: Ah, do you have a link or something? Jan 23 22:46:43 Erm, let me look. Jan 23 22:52:26 jgwong: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=255479&highlight=alarmd#post255479 Jan 23 22:52:38 Jaffa: Rawesome, thanks! Jan 23 22:54:42 * Stskeeps wonders how a ifconfig eth0 down; ifconfig eth0 up cannot succed. Jan 23 22:55:59 * Stskeeps makes mental note of having to go into the office tomorrow. Jan 23 22:56:13 hm Jan 23 22:56:17 its weekend Jan 23 22:56:30 Thus the mental note, I'd hazard. Jan 23 22:58:47 * r2d2rogers thinks about trying a usbnet connection between two 770s to share the wifi of the non-0mer unit Jan 23 22:58:56 Stskeeps, can I move Mer_Blueprint to Mer? Jan 23 23:00:11 Rather than the other way round... that was bothering me, too. Jan 23 23:00:33 GeneralAntilles: go ahead Jan 23 23:03:06 Jaffa, can you make the Mer logo just a touch larger? Jan 23 23:03:52 hah. Jan 23 23:03:52 now that's a good thing to know Jan 23 23:04:13 GeneralAntilles: not yet, it's just ripped out of the logo wazd was using on tabletui.wordpress.com. I've asked him to send me a larger, transparent-backgrounded version Jan 23 23:04:23 when the IP config of the server dies and has a bad default gateway, and the VMware instance (configured correctly) on top, can still ssh into the machine Jan 23 23:04:24 I'd also consider moving the Latest activity below the 4 icons and just making them 4x1. Jan 23 23:04:31 -> i don't have to go into the office tomorrow \o/ Jan 23 23:04:53 Latest activity is too long compared to What next? Jan 23 23:05:09 GeneralAntilles: can't do that easily - on my window (approximating a 1024px width) you get 3 + 1. Jan 23 23:05:52 Number of items, or font size, of Latest activity could be shrunk Jan 23 23:06:04 Maybe more text below What next? Jan 23 23:06:10 Some other section we could put in there? Jan 23 23:06:26 To say what? Too much text and you turn people off - people won't look at anything above a certain amount. Jan 23 23:06:38 Just a paragraph Jan 23 23:06:40 To balance it out. Jan 23 23:06:44 What's needed? Don't just put stuff there to fill whitespace ("don't be afraid of whitespace" someone clever said) Jan 23 23:06:50 There's not much text on there, anyway. Jan 23 23:07:38 how does this wiki look on the tablet itself? Jan 23 23:07:41 "News" would fit there wel Jan 23 23:07:58 lcuk: the boxes go to 1x4 and it all looks lovely (in both microb & webkit) Jan 23 23:08:14 :) good Jan 23 23:08:28 very important to have it working right on the intended device Jan 23 23:10:32 Mer/About needs some more fleshing out. Jan 23 23:11:27 GeneralAntilles: tweaked the front page a little. Agreed on "/About" - most of it is just c&p from the previous homepage. Similarly most of the top-level pages could do with some more structure, I think. But I may be thinking too "traditionally" Jan 23 23:11:27 It still leaves me wondering what exactly it _is_ Jan 23 23:11:51 GeneralAntilles: At the moment, is it /actually/ clear what it is? Jan 23 23:12:05 I'm not sure Jan 23 23:12:09 _I_ know what it is Jan 23 23:12:26 But my 2-person focus group was left confused by it just now. Jan 23 23:12:30 At some point, it may be a Fremantle-compatible, partial backport to various mobile devices. At the moment, it's still very embryonic Jan 23 23:12:36 "But isn't that Mamona?" Jan 23 23:12:57 Some more specifics might help Jan 23 23:12:58 Maybe under "About" there should be a nice comparison table between Mer and Mamona. Jan 23 23:12:58 jaffa, its a start :) Jan 23 23:13:02 an idea Jan 23 23:13:08 Indeed. Jan 23 23:13:16 Jaffa, maybe, although I suspect most people wont have heard of Mamona Jan 23 23:13:30 I'd talk a bit about Hildon and Maemo technologies, mabye. Jan 23 23:13:45 a logical distribution capable of getting the best out of our devices, now and in the future Jan 23 23:13:52 Indeed - the comparison is fairly easy, given Mamona seems to have been pretty much an INDt-only effort without any real community push or involvement. Jan 23 23:14:02 lcuk: "logical"? Jan 23 23:14:15 yes, currently its illogical and incomplete Jan 23 23:14:31 in some of the deeper respects Jan 23 23:14:33 GeneralAntilles: I notice your areas of interest include "PR" and "documentation" ;-) Jan 23 23:14:55 Ah, "logical" compared with Maemo? Closer to a "typical" Linux distribution Jan 23 23:15:21 Jaffa, yeah, I'm bouncing ideas around though. ;) Jan 23 23:15:25 yes, perhaps my description is a bit off, the intent was there - not so many hacks and side stepping Jan 23 23:15:56 GeneralAntilles: At the moment, we should be careful about overselling to end-users Jan 23 23:16:05 Jaffa, of course. Jan 23 23:16:15 I'd be the first one to recommend THAT. ;) Jan 23 23:16:19 "About" should have a fairly clear up-to-date status of what works/doesn't. And a screenshot or two Jan 23 23:16:20 personally, i think if mer does nothing more than confirm that its possible then i would say its role is complete, but community interest makes me think its role will grow :) Jan 23 23:16:26 GeneralAntilles: You'd *never* want end-users ;-) Jan 23 23:16:26 (er, not overselling to users) Jan 23 23:16:39 I want their money Jan 23 23:16:46 but nothing else. ;) Jan 23 23:16:50 Troublesome things. Should be shot (after mugging, it appears ;-)) Jan 23 23:16:59 Of course. Jan 23 23:17:22 lcuk's obviously got his eye on being a trendy designer. His "occupation" column is all lower case :-O Jan 23 23:17:25 Uploading to Extras also needs an intro. . . . Jan 23 23:17:38 jaffa, its spending too long in unix Jan 23 23:17:44 ive stopped capitalizing ANYTHING ;) Jan 23 23:18:13 i found out the other day sqlite is case sensitive - its the first db ive encountered that is :$ Jan 23 23:18:29 So is SQL Server Jan 23 23:18:52 ...we found this at work when playing with our new architecture the other week. Jan 23 23:18:58 * lcuk looks funny, we use sqlserver2005 at work Jan 23 23:19:00 Easy fix, fortunately. Jan 23 23:19:24 lcuk: maybe you always use the right table/column names? Jan 23 23:19:25 thats gonna throw a spanner in cow orkers face Jan 23 23:19:42 Hi to all ... Jan 23 23:19:49 'tis what you get for orking cows Jan 23 23:20:04 never - camelcase everythign in construction and usually use all kinds of variation in queries Jan 23 23:20:19 Hmm. Odd. Jan 23 23:20:22 and jaffa, what about data Jan 23 23:20:34 string comparisons Jan 23 23:20:40 i *know* thats not case sensitive Jan 23 23:21:04 Depends on the collation strategy, apparently. (Something I never knew until recently). Jan 23 23:21:29 This is reminding me too much of work. Jan 23 23:21:40 id remember if id set it, it must be default insensitive Jan 23 23:21:48 ahhh well Jan 23 23:34:20 Jaffa: trying to see if i can autogenerate VMDK images, so (virtualbox can read those) :) Jan 23 23:34:54 Cool. Jan 23 23:40:35 In mer v0.6 distro ... how can i reboot / shutdown the operating system without entering in a root sesion ...? Jan 23 23:41:55 arocs: pop the battery :P Jan 23 23:42:00 My stand-by button is not working Jan 23 23:42:28 arocs: yeah, we need to build powerlaunch or the likes Jan 23 23:42:34 Possible to install some aplication to get battery icon ? Jan 23 23:42:39 we're working on that part Jan 23 23:42:52 that exact thing with the interface of stand by button and battery icon, is closed source, so :) Jan 23 23:42:54 If you need a beta tester ... ;) Jan 23 23:43:43 hehe Jan 23 23:44:16 Yestarday i installed evince ... but no application appears in EXtras packages ... Jan 23 23:45:03 yeah, did you try to reboot? it sometimes requires that Jan 23 23:45:14 hildon application manager which will be in 0.7 helps in that aspect :) Jan 23 23:45:20 yes ... but no luck Jan 23 23:46:20 sometimes it simply doesn't add itself to desktop files so Jan 23 23:46:34 Is it possible to install some kind of xterm ... ? Jan 23 23:46:51 yes, apt-get install osso-xterm :) Jan 23 23:46:56 we got it working today, so apt-get update Jan 23 23:48:47 i will try Jan 23 23:55:54 evening VDVsx Jan 23 23:56:03 Stskeeps, Hi Jan 23 23:56:25 johnx, Jan 23 23:56:47 r u here? Jan 23 23:57:02 Stskeeps, Today I start searching a little bit about debian armV4 :) Jan 23 23:57:14 hehe, it's basically debian's armel port Jan 23 23:57:35 Stskeeps, yup, but is already a lot of things done for openmoko :) Jan 23 23:57:39 that could help Jan 23 23:57:42 yeah Jan 23 23:57:44 how may I check if my easy debian is the turbo version? Jan 23 23:58:04 i don't so much worry about the port itself, but some of the architectural differences between ubuntu and debian Jan 23 23:58:24 Stskeeps, mer is Ubuntu 8.10 ? Jan 23 23:58:30 ubuntu jaunty Jan 23 23:58:37 9.04 Jan 24 00:25:33 is the resolution of the N800 1024x768? Jan 24 00:25:40 800x480 Jan 24 00:25:44 thx Jan 24 00:31:29 um... Jaffa, the wiki toolbox doesn't work on the Mer page. It seems the large wrapper div blocks the toolbox with its position: absolute. Jan 24 01:28:19 argh Jan 24 01:28:26 overall cables Jan 24 01:28:35 I want wireless cables! Jan 24 01:32:17 Cables need Bluetooth transfers. Jan 24 01:47:21 Jaffa: fixed the page Jan 24 02:03:19 sisto: It arrives tommorow! Shipped it yesterday. Jan 24 02:03:32 BTW, mCalender...is it anygood? I'm looking around on maemo.org Jan 24 02:03:37 LinuxHack3r: nice :D Jan 24 02:03:57 LinuxHack3r: i'm getting mine on february :D Jan 24 02:04:25 sisto: Oh. Well that's good. Still can't believe someone who doesn't have an 810 convinced me to get one. Jan 24 02:04:55 towo: right! Jan 24 02:04:56 LinuxHack3r: I did? wow.. i wasn't even trying. lol. I read the contacts app is not that good... Jan 24 02:05:21 LinuxHack3r: i was trying to find an alternative for the one that comes with it Jan 24 02:05:39 LinuxHack3r: but i haven't started looking yet Jan 24 02:06:21 sisto: Well..I keep my contacts in mysql...so I found mysql 4 on maemo.org. But I'd like something that would sync with plaxo. Jan 24 02:06:55 sisto: I'm personally excited for these 3. Jan 24 02:07:08 how do you read your contacts? select phone from contacts where name like "sisto%"; ? Jan 24 02:07:09 http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/gpe-contacts/ Jan 24 02:07:11 http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/mcalendar/ Jan 24 02:07:18 http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/stardict/ Jan 24 02:07:57 sisto: I've written a fairly complex bash script to simply look them up for me. I type Contacts. A menu pops up...asking me if I'd like to search by ..well shoot...hold on...you in linux/bash? Jan 24 02:08:02 i didn't like the gpe option though... it's a virtual machine of another pda running on top of maemo on a 400mhz arm processor Jan 24 02:08:06 that's probably slow Jan 24 02:08:24 yup Jan 24 02:08:43 so you use the console all the time? Jan 24 02:09:03 sisto: A lot of the time. If I can confortably. Jan 24 02:09:57 LinuxHack3r: i'm not sure gpe runs virtualized though... i might have read an outdated article Jan 24 02:10:02 sisto: http://pastebin.com/m6ff9e938 Save that one as a bash file...then try it out...of course it won't lookup anything...but you could easily create a mysql db with the given stuff. Jan 24 02:10:27 sisto: guess I'll find out soon enough. Jan 24 02:11:08 can't wait to hear your stories! Jan 24 02:11:39 Of course. BTW...is the software on maemo.org about all..or are there other repos so to say? I'm hoping for a keepassx. Jan 24 02:12:35 there's probably other stuff floating around Jan 24 02:12:51 i think i ran into a blog post with a long list of repositories once Jan 24 02:12:54 but i don't have that link Jan 24 02:13:11 Cool. I'll google it tommorow on my 810 Jan 24 02:13:57 here's some stuff from nokia: http://tableteer.nokia.com/tableteer/os2008/os2008.xhtml#top Jan 24 02:14:11 well not from them but compiled by them Jan 24 02:14:52 sisto: That's cool. Nokia really supports these things don't they. Jan 24 02:15:21 usb_bulk_write: Resource temporarily unavailable Jan 24 02:15:35 LinuxHack3r: it seems so! Jan 24 02:15:43 that happens if I want to flashe the kernal-image Jan 24 02:16:24 this is kind of lame: http://tableteer.nokia.com/tableteer/os2008/feat_videoconverter.xhtml#top Jan 24 02:16:33 not that i care anyway.. i have ffmpeg Jan 24 02:16:59 (nokia's vid converter is only for mac and windows) Jan 24 02:17:25 sisto: Ah....well I'm sure a simple preset in handbrake will make things easy for me. Jan 24 02:18:09 LinuxHack3r: is handbrake based on ffmpeg or is it independent? Jan 24 02:18:16 sisto: It is based on a lot Jan 24 02:18:39 it's probably based on the same stuff ffmpeg is based on Jan 24 02:18:40 It is my favorite app..and I don't even use it but about once a month. It just works so flawlessly. Jan 24 02:19:06 well it's going to come handy now! Jan 24 02:19:08 http://handbrake.fr/?article=details Jan 24 02:19:13 Take a look. Jan 24 02:19:22 you should install canola2 Jan 24 02:19:47 it's a media player which supports audio and video, youtube, radios and podcasts Jan 24 02:20:24 I've seen it....looks neat. Sorta a "ipod overlay", so to say. Jan 24 02:20:52 yes... the reasons i want it are youtube and podcasts Jan 24 02:21:02 youtube is kinda slow on the browser... but it runs well on this Jan 24 02:23:04 That's cool. It looks nice too. Jan 24 02:23:27 there's probably tons of stuff to try out... Jan 24 02:23:36 I just wish it had like a 40gb internal drive or something. They really need that to compete with ipods. Jan 24 02:23:53 hmm Jan 24 02:23:57 yeah Jan 24 02:24:04 but you can get fairly close to that Jan 24 02:24:06 I know it isn't designed specifically for a media player such as ipods...but I almost bought an ipod touch just for the storage. Jan 24 02:24:52 it already comes with 8gb of internal storage Jan 24 02:25:26 not too bad :o Jan 24 02:25:30 eh? Jan 24 02:25:59 sisto: Yes..yes that is good. Plus my 8gb card...actually that's better than the cheapest iPod touch...which would have costed exactly the same as what i paid. Jan 24 02:26:33 hmm Jan 24 02:26:38 i think it's actually 2gb Jan 24 02:26:43 i don't know where i got 8 Jan 24 02:27:15 It is 2GB...but when I realized I've got 10 for the same price of the touch...I got happier! Jan 24 02:28:46 I cannot wait to find a good deal of 16GB cards...I wanna try one. Jan 24 02:28:56 Supposed to work sisto? Jan 24 02:29:38 i don't know but... it should work Jan 24 02:30:31 sisto: I hope so. I did read it only supports up to 8Gb..but I think that's because 16GB aren't common yet. Shoot..I really couldn't find them on newegg. Jan 24 02:31:10 2x32gig sdhc is more than any ipod touch Jan 24 02:31:52 tank-man: are you talking about the n800? Jan 24 02:31:53 tank-man: Yes it is...by far...but show me a link and a price. Then we'll talk. Jan 24 02:32:15 yes the n800 has 2 sd slots Jan 24 02:32:54 tank-man: sisto Seriously...why drop the sd slots, and only get 1? What was nokia thinking? Jan 24 02:33:03 i really appreciate the keyboard on the n810.... so much as to sacrifice the advantage of having 2 sd slots Jan 24 02:33:18 sisto: I know...but 2 slots would be neat. Jan 24 02:33:27 but i would appreciate 2 sd slots instead of 1 Jan 24 02:34:13 they also dropped fm radio :( Jan 24 02:35:09 They had fm radio? Perhaps I should have gotten an 800. But I know I'll be happy with this one. Jan 24 02:35:17 on the plus side, they reduced the size Jan 24 02:36:12 sisto: That's cool. I've looked for a cool cool case...but can't find one. I like cases. Jan 24 02:36:23 and added the slide keyboard and gps Jan 24 02:36:34 Fair trade. Jan 24 02:36:36 dropped fm added gps Jan 24 02:36:45 fair with me Jan 24 02:36:55 *to Jan 24 02:36:57 But fm would have been cool. Jan 24 02:37:04 ya Jan 24 02:37:16 and i bet it wouldn't have increased the size Jan 24 02:37:26 look at the e71... it has everything Jan 24 02:37:31 and is smaller than the n810 Jan 24 02:37:37 but has more features Jan 24 02:38:01 gps, fm radio, wifi, bluetooth, qwerty keybord Jan 24 02:38:16 keyboard doesn't slide though and it doesn't have a touchscreen Jan 24 02:38:31 also it's symbian instead of linux Jan 24 02:38:42 oh! it's also a phone Jan 24 02:39:16 I don't like phones that try to do other things though. Jan 24 02:39:50 sisto: http://qt4.garage.maemo.org/dists/chinook/extras/binary-armel/keepassx/ Jan 24 02:39:54 That should work...shouldn't it Jan 24 02:40:56 the e71 is gorgeous though: http://blog.wired.com/photos/uncategorized/2008/07/25/picture_13.png Jan 24 02:41:32 I saw it...it looks nice. l8r though...tv time. Jan 24 02:42:18 LinuxHack3r: interesting... i use password safe... i should migrate to that one because it works on the n810 Jan 24 02:42:31 LinuxHack3r: l8r Jan 24 02:47:43 canole isn't open source :( i thought it was Jan 24 02:48:15 oh well.. i guess i'll have to use it as is Jan 24 02:54:30 It's becoming open Jan 24 02:54:39 Should be any time now. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Jan 24 02:59:57 2009