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Jan 24 03:17:34 <sisto> GAN800: ah ok
Jan 24 03:17:38 <sisto> thx for the tip
Jan 24 03:45:08 <jgwong> Hmm, I'm trying to run a script via alarmd
Jan 24 03:45:13 <jgwong> A python script
Jan 24 03:45:51 <jgwong> It calls play-sound via os.system
Jan 24 03:45:59 <jgwong> But it doesn't sound at all
Jan 24 03:46:30 <jgwong> It works correctly when called via command line, but it doesn't seem to work when it's called via alarmd
Jan 24 03:46:36 <jgwong> Does anybody have a clue why is this?
Jan 24 07:09:25 <RST38h> EHLO?
Jan 24 07:09:42 <qwerty12> HELO
Jan 24 07:13:56 <doc|home> OHEL!
Jan 24 07:17:07 <pupnik> hey doc|home , ever see 'saxondale'
Jan 24 07:17:16 <pupnik> funny trailer  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqqfD6OCCSc
Jan 24 07:17:18 <doc|home> pupnik: nope, but I do remember them
Jan 24 07:17:22 <doc|home> from the fast show
Jan 24 07:17:27 <pupnik> what is that
Jan 24 07:17:29 <doc|home> that's a classic comedy if ever there was one
Jan 24 07:17:44 <pupnik> ok i'll search
Jan 24 07:19:41 <pupnik> wow never saw that before
Jan 24 07:20:23 <qwerty12> Stskeeps, ping
Jan 24 07:20:30 <RST38h> qwerty,pupnik: moo all
Jan 24 07:20:39 <qwerty12> hey RST38h
Jan 24 07:39:50 <AStorm> hello
Jan 24 07:40:02 <AStorm> http://code.google.com/p/compcache/ -  can we have this?
Jan 24 07:40:09 * pupnik salutes 
Jan 24 07:40:11 <AStorm> I think it'd be pure win
Jan 24 07:40:37 <qwerty12> On a tablet?
Jan 24 07:40:49 * qwerty12 smacks himself
Jan 24 07:40:54 <qwerty12> I guess you do mean on a tablet.
Jan 24 07:40:56 <pupnik> qwhy is it faster than swap
Jan 24 07:41:01 <AStorm> because it's in ram
Jan 24 07:41:06 <AStorm> it's ram compression
Jan 24 07:41:16 <pupnik> oh
Jan 24 07:41:55 <pupnik> fungulous
Jan 24 07:41:57 <AStorm> actually, a compressed filesystem similar to based on ramfs
Jan 24 07:42:10 <AStorm> which you can use as a swap device
Jan 24 07:42:22 <AStorm> and Linux is fairly smart to swap stuff into that
Jan 24 07:42:51 <AStorm> and you can have more than one swap device already, with priorities set
Jan 24 07:43:27 <AStorm> so it may swap to compressed area first, then if it's not enough, to disk (possibly compressed too - we need a compressed filesystem for a swap file :> )
Jan 24 07:44:06 <AStorm> the only downside there might be is thrashing in ram ;P shouldn't be too noticeable
Jan 24 07:45:35 <persia> It really depends on the use case.  If you're expecting to regularly need swap, compcache *really* speeds things up.  If you happen to be able to operate within your memory, there's a slight slowdown.  If I recall correctly, in Ubuntu it was determined to apply compcache if the system memory was less than 256MB.
Jan 24 07:46:26 <AStorm> what slowdown?
Jan 24 07:46:44 <persia> AStorm, mostly compression costs, as I understand it.
Jan 24 07:46:48 <AStorm> if it's not used, it shouldn't slow things down...
Jan 24 07:46:54 <AStorm> nah, disk cache
Jan 24 07:47:08 <AStorm> that may cause slowdown - you'll lose a bit of it
Jan 24 07:47:12 <persia> disk cache doesn't get swapped :)
Jan 24 07:47:18 <AStorm> yes
Jan 24 07:47:26 <AStorm> the problem is that you now have less
Jan 24 07:47:40 <AStorm> because part of memory is taken by compcache
Jan 24 07:48:04 <persia> I beleive the Ubuntu implementation was to split the memory 50/50, so if you use 100 MB on a 128MB device without compcache, it's normal, and with compcache, you've 36MB compressed, so you pay the computational cost of compressing that data.
Jan 24 07:48:06 <AStorm> on n8x0, it might help...
Jan 24 07:48:15 <AStorm> too much IMO
Jan 24 07:48:19 <persia> Those are 128MB, right?
Jan 24 07:48:24 <AStorm> I'd use 3/4:1/4 myself
Jan 24 07:48:27 <AStorm> no, 256 MB
Jan 24 07:48:35 <AStorm> I do sometimes get into swap there
Jan 24 07:48:48 <AStorm> and that is horrible, considering how slow flash is
Jan 24 07:49:06 <persia> heh.  Yeah.  swap-on-flash is just bad, any way you look at it.
Jan 24 07:49:34 <AStorm> well, if we had a compressed filesystem for mmc... it would speed up swapping many times
Jan 24 07:49:49 <AStorm> or a variant - compressed swap file support
Jan 24 07:49:59 <AStorm> I'll check if there's such a kernel patch
Jan 24 07:50:28 <persia> I'd think a compressed filesystem would be cleaner: fewer syscalls.
Jan 24 07:51:35 <AStorm> hm?
Jan 24 07:51:51 <AStorm> there are compressed filesystems - and no, it won't be cleaner by any stretch of the word
Jan 24 07:52:08 <AStorm> you'll throw in many writes to the fs
Jan 24 07:52:20 <AStorm> then it will compress them block by block
Jan 24 07:52:35 <AStorm> and recompress trailing block(s) as you write more
Jan 24 07:52:44 <persia> Oh, right.  It needs something special.  I was confused by "swapfile".  I think best solution would just be a compressed swap partition.
Jan 24 07:52:57 <AStorm> exactly
Jan 24 07:53:03 <AStorm> or even indeed any compressed swap
Jan 24 07:53:09 <persia> Given the compression in compcache is designed for swap, if it doesn't exist, it oughtn't be too hard to hack.
Jan 24 07:53:12 <AStorm> someone did that already I think
Jan 24 07:53:23 <AStorm> yes, it should
Jan 24 07:53:50 <AStorm> the problem is not compression itself
Jan 24 07:54:03 <AStorm> it's the need for kernel modification - and swap is not a filesystem
Jan 24 07:55:27 <AStorm> hmm, well
Jan 24 07:55:39 <AStorm> if we had compcache on tmpfs equivalent... that is swappable...
Jan 24 07:55:49 <persia> Hrm?
Jan 24 07:55:55 <AStorm> indirection indeed, but would work
Jan 24 07:55:56 <persia> That's just tangled.
Jan 24 07:56:04 <persia> compcache lives in real memory.
Jan 24 07:56:06 <AStorm> you'd swap compcache to swap
Jan 24 07:56:10 <AStorm> yes it does
Jan 24 07:56:19 <AStorm> now, assume compcache is swappable to disk
Jan 24 07:56:25 <AStorm> what do we get?
Jan 24 07:56:28 <AStorm> :>
Jan 24 07:57:14 <AStorm> the trick would be marking it to get always swapped out
Jan 24 07:57:25 <AStorm> I don't know how that is to be done
Jan 24 07:57:43 <persia> Wouldn't it be easier just to define a compressed swap module?
Jan 24 07:57:50 <persia> There's some history of work on that.
Jan 24 07:57:53 <AStorm> module? swap is part of vm
Jan 24 07:58:06 <AStorm> gimme a module, I want it
Jan 24 07:58:09 * persia looks for something more concrete than a presentation
Jan 24 07:58:27 <persia> http://www.celinux.org/elc08_presentations/belyakov_elc2008_compressed_swap_final_ppt.pdf is a hint, at least
Jan 24 07:58:28 <AStorm> that presentation I noticed was adding a layer on top of MTD
Jan 24 07:58:32 <AStorm> this is a lie
Jan 24 07:58:42 <AStorm> it's much like putting a swapfile on a compressed filesystem
Jan 24 07:58:49 <AStorm> I can do that already w/o hacks.
Jan 24 07:59:00 <AStorm> (using btrfs)
Jan 24 07:59:17 <AStorm> the idea is to move compression above swap
Jan 24 07:59:26 <AStorm> and in this paper, it's below swap
Jan 24 07:59:52 <persia> Right.  The paper was more that someone is thinking about it: I agree that implementation leaves a fair bit to be desired.
Jan 24 08:00:08 <AStorm> thinking is good - code is better
Jan 24 08:00:22 <AStorm> now, I don't feel like hacking Linux VM subsystem
Jan 24 08:00:45 <AStorm> especially free memory estimator
Jan 24 08:01:40 <AStorm> for now, we can live with "compressed fs" overhead
Jan 24 08:01:46 <AStorm> should still be a major performance win
Jan 24 08:02:06 <AStorm> but to do that, I need a compressed filesystem that will hold a swapfile
Jan 24 08:02:42 <persia> Depends on the use case.  I tend to carry a Zaurus, so 256MB sounds like a lot to me, and I'm not sure I'd want to run enough to fill it.
Jan 24 08:02:57 <AStorm> it's not a lot
Jan 24 08:03:00 <AStorm> it's like, 3 apps
Jan 24 08:03:26 <AStorm> say: run canola, browser and a bunch of terminal windows, plus standard hildon desktop
Jan 24 08:03:30 <AStorm> and you'll hit swap
Jan 24 08:05:48 <AStorm> even easier if you use any of: maemopad+, xournal (esp. xournal which is horribly stupid in its memory use)
Jan 24 08:06:48 <AStorm> it indeed is not too hard to overload these 256 MB
Jan 24 08:07:12 <AStorm> so, can I have compcache built for maemo? :>
Jan 24 08:08:24 <AStorm> (yeah, I know the next device will have 512 MB)
Jan 24 08:08:28 <persia> It's just a kernel recompile, isn't it?
Jan 24 08:08:35 <AStorm> not even that
Jan 24 08:08:39 <AStorm> just a module built
Jan 24 08:08:49 <AStorm> but I don't have the toolchain on me right now
Jan 24 08:09:11 <AStorm> http://compcache.googlecode.com/files/compcache-0.5.1.tar.gz and build that
Jan 24 08:09:19 <AStorm> bonus if packaged for maemo
Jan 24 08:10:55 <AStorm> not sure if it'll build vs 2.6.22 - it might
Jan 24 08:11:02 <AStorm> or might need a bunch of mods
Jan 24 08:14:28 <AStorm> *2.6.21 even
Jan 24 08:15:46 <persia> Actually, looking at compcache, there's no reason to look at compressed swap separately.
Jan 24 08:16:18 <persia> From what I understand, it doesn't uncompress when going from swap-on-ram to swap-on-disk, so you get compressed-swap-on-disk as a side benefit.
Jan 24 08:16:29 <AStorm> no, you don't
Jan 24 08:16:43 <AStorm> it looks like a ramdisk, mlocked
Jan 24 08:17:07 <AStorm> otherwise it could be swapped away
Jan 24 08:17:16 <AStorm> thus, made useless
Jan 24 08:17:26 <persia> Right, but what happens when it gets full?  From what I understand, the kernel preferentially uses compcache, and then falls back to swap-on-disk.
Jan 24 08:17:34 <AStorm> yes
Jan 24 08:17:39 <AStorm> and it's decompressed.
Jan 24 08:17:40 <persia> You're suggesting that there's a decompress step happening there?
Jan 24 08:17:44 <AStorm> yes
Jan 24 08:18:03 <AStorm> it's being read into ram, then swapped to the other swap device
Jan 24 08:18:21 <AStorm> how would you read it otherwise? some binary copy hack?
Jan 24 08:18:53 <AStorm> that wouldn't work on compressed or discontiguous filesystems...
Jan 24 08:19:11 <AStorm> unless there's an api to do so, maybe vmsplice
Jan 24 08:19:19 <AStorm> still, it's on FS level
Jan 24 08:19:37 <AStorm> and I'm fairly certain compcache will decompress when being read from
Jan 24 08:19:43 <AStorm> (actually, ramzdisk)
Jan 24 08:24:30 * AStorm is building the cross toolchain
Jan 24 08:24:40 <AStorm> scratchbox = junk
Jan 24 08:25:25 <AStorm> tried to build in there, it horribly failed...
Jan 24 08:25:35 <persia> Build in qemu: pretend it's native :)
Jan 24 08:25:42 <persia> Or just build native.
Jan 24 08:25:44 <AStorm> (outside of apt)
Jan 24 08:25:57 <AStorm> build native? a kernel? wait a few years till it finishes?
Jan 24 08:26:03 <AStorm> :)
Jan 24 08:26:15 <AStorm> qemu would be possible, if it worked
Jan 24 08:26:22 <AStorm> and I had a full system in here
Jan 24 08:26:47 <persia> qemu ought work, or at least is does for me.
Jan 24 08:26:54 <AStorm> (copying that shouldn't be hard - but I'd need a working qemu-arm)
Jan 24 08:27:23 <persia> I'm using 0.9.1 with success.
Jan 24 08:28:00 <AStorm> it has to simulate maemo CPU.
Jan 24 08:28:03 <persia> According to https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/2.6.28-5.15/+build/845051 it's possible to build a kernel in just a few hours.  I'd guess maybe 15 on an Nx0, although I may be mistaken.
Jan 24 08:28:09 <AStorm> actually, armv6 with vfp
Jan 24 08:28:19 <persia> Ah, that's trickier.
Jan 24 08:28:29 <AStorm> n8x0
Jan 24 08:28:50 <AStorm> otherwise I'd still need a cross toolchain somewhere
Jan 24 08:28:57 <AStorm> (to, say, build a kernel for it)
Jan 24 08:29:46 <AStorm> Poky Linux might work... again
Jan 24 08:30:52 <persia> Closest I can find for compressed swap is ttp://mtd-mods.wiki.sourceforge.net/MTD+Based+Compressed+Swapping+Use which is the layered approach.
Jan 24 08:32:40 <AStorm> and on top of MTD.
Jan 24 08:32:46 <AStorm> I want it on an MMC
Jan 24 08:32:56 <AStorm> (actually, SDHC, but you know, a normal block device)
Jan 24 08:33:35 <AStorm> now building gcc-stage1... :)
Jan 24 08:33:41 * AStorm likes his Core2 Duo
Jan 24 08:34:06 <AStorm> persia: apparently there is n8x0 support in qemu HEAD...
Jan 24 08:34:30 <persia> AStorm, Probably needs testing :)
Jan 24 08:35:10 <AStorm> except I don't have a proper ebuild for that ;P
Jan 24 08:35:52 <AStorm> I guess it's not in 0.9.1
Jan 24 08:39:38 <Meiz_n810> good morning everyone
Jan 24 08:45:06 <hell> hei
Jan 24 08:45:33 <hell> does suspend to ram work for anybody?
Jan 24 08:46:06 <hell> my 810 sleeps for second, then wake up, and keys does not work after this.
Jan 24 08:47:44 <AStorm> suspend to ram? we have it?
Jan 24 08:47:46 <AStorm> ;P
Jan 24 08:47:57 <AStorm> I do not recall the default setup using STR
Jan 24 08:48:05 <AStorm> it only did a standard sleep
Jan 24 08:48:18 <hell> /sys/proc/state says "yes, we have" :-)
Jan 24 08:48:18 <AStorm> (which as it is is also very efficient)
Jan 24 08:48:38 <AStorm> then it should also say it's not used ;P
Jan 24 08:48:50 <AStorm> I guess 2.6.21-omap has enough bugs as it is
Jan 24 08:48:54 <qwerty12> https://garage.maemo.org/projects/n800-s2ram/ or http://ftp.iasi.roedu.net/mirrors/openwrt.org/people/mbm/n800/suspend.sh
Jan 24 08:49:01 <AStorm> not even talking about s2ram
Jan 24 08:49:12 <AStorm> qwerty12: note - he's talking about n810
Jan 24 08:49:27 <qwerty12> AStorm, yes, s2ram = suspend to ram
Jan 24 08:49:37 <AStorm> yes I know
Jan 24 08:49:41 <qwerty12> So...
Jan 24 08:49:43 <AStorm> and I guess it's buggy as hell
Jan 24 08:49:51 <AStorm> :)
Jan 24 08:49:59 <AStorm> and not used by default maemo
Jan 24 08:50:26 <AStorm> I also guess it will be especially buggy with n810
Jan 24 08:50:27 <AStorm> :)
Jan 24 08:50:35 <hell> AStorm: i think, if it not possible, developers will simply disble it in kernel conf.
Jan 24 08:50:39 <qwerty12> :)
Jan 24 08:50:47 <hell> *disable
Jan 24 08:51:03 <AStorm> it is possible
Jan 24 08:51:08 <AStorm> but I guess buggy
Jan 24 08:51:18 <AStorm> hell: checked that page yet?
Jan 24 08:51:34 <AStorm> worth a shot
Jan 24 08:51:42 <qwerty12> Incidentally, an internal program from nokia has references to s2ram: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1649&stc=1&d=1210449290
Jan 24 08:52:15 <AStorm> guess why they didn't enable it...
Jan 24 08:52:16 <AStorm> :)
Jan 24 08:52:29 <qwerty12> It didn't work well? :P :)
Jan 24 08:52:44 <AStorm> I guess it's mostly unnecessary
Jan 24 08:53:00 <AStorm> doesn't buy you much on armel
Jan 24 08:53:06 <AStorm> especially OMAP2
Jan 24 08:53:27 <AStorm> CPU is halted anyway with cpufreq...
Jan 24 08:53:44 <AStorm> wifi when not used is quiet too
Jan 24 08:53:49 <AStorm> same with bluetooth
Jan 24 08:54:07 <AStorm> ram is still powered in S2ram
Jan 24 08:54:29 <qwerty12> ah, thanks :)
Jan 24 08:54:33 <AStorm> usb hub is also energy efficient
Jan 24 08:55:04 <AStorm> you might get a tiny bit of power saving thanks to all the timers being off
Jan 24 08:55:30 <AStorm> (as tickless system still fires them every so often - rarely though)
Jan 24 08:55:31 <hell> AStorm: i will charge my n810 every day. Or switch it off.
Jan 24 08:55:45 <Vulcanis> nuuu
Jan 24 08:55:48 <Vulcanis> switching it off
Jan 24 08:55:49 <Vulcanis> is like
Jan 24 08:55:50 <AStorm> so? leaving it running makes it go 10 days
Jan 24 08:55:53 <Vulcanis> 3 days worth
Jan 24 08:55:59 <Vulcanis> of leaving it on and screen off
Jan 24 08:56:08 <AStorm> assuming you're not connected to wifi
Jan 24 08:56:11 <AStorm> on wifi, it's 5 days
Jan 24 08:56:21 <hell> one day for me)
Jan 24 08:56:22 <AStorm> if it's not throwing data around (e.g. IRC running)
Jan 24 08:56:22 <Vulcanis> well
Jan 24 08:56:29 <Vulcanis> depends on how fast it searches, astorm
Jan 24 08:56:32 <AStorm> hell: you must have some idiot app pinging
Jan 24 08:56:47 <AStorm> or power saving disabled (blame your wifi router)
Jan 24 08:57:08 <AStorm> w/o wifi power saving, it's indeed a day
Jan 24 08:57:17 <AStorm> that's why it's there ;P
Jan 24 08:57:29 <AStorm> might as well disconnect instead of s2ram
Jan 24 08:57:38 <RST38h> heya, AStorm
Jan 24 08:57:43 <hell> AStorm: maybe. But i want to simply press power, and wake up device, when i need it, how i doing with my laptop.
Jan 24 08:57:50 <AStorm> uhm?
Jan 24 08:57:57 <AStorm> you can touch the screen to have it going
Jan 24 08:58:05 <AStorm> :P
Jan 24 08:58:13 <Vulcanis> well
Jan 24 08:58:21 <Vulcanis> power button tap + center button
Jan 24 08:58:22 <Vulcanis> then
Jan 24 08:58:22 <AStorm> another power sucker might be not having cpufreq in any powersaving mode
Jan 24 08:58:24 <Vulcanis> to wake it up
Jan 24 08:58:30 <Vulcanis> powerbutton tap + center button
Jan 24 08:58:33 <Vulcanis> its that easy!
Jan 24 08:58:52 <AStorm> in performance mode, it'll eat battery in a day
Jan 24 08:59:03 <AStorm> set to ondemand or conservative
Jan 24 08:59:29 <AStorm> (I recommend ondemand with minor sysfs setting tuning - set the threshold to 50 instead of default 80)
Jan 24 09:00:07 <AStorm> the default is ondemand
Jan 24 09:00:43 <AStorm> you can also toggle the powersave_bias flag to 1
Jan 24 09:00:51 <AStorm> not that it helps much if any
Jan 24 09:00:56 <AStorm> :)
Jan 24 09:00:56 <hell> AStorm: i know, what i can do. But i don't want to do this every time, check apps, powersaving, etc. I just want to sleeps my device by one button, and wake up it in consistent state, that's all.
Jan 24 09:01:05 <AStorm> ...
Jan 24 09:01:07 <Vulcanis> powerbutton tap + center button
Jan 24 09:01:09 <Vulcanis> its that easy!
Jan 24 09:01:13 <AStorm> yes.
Jan 24 09:01:37 <hell> what center button, on joystick?
Jan 24 09:01:49 <AStorm> or tap the screen for "ok"
Jan 24 09:01:52 <Vulcanis> they have joysticks now? Awesome!
Jan 24 09:02:13 <AStorm> hell: you broke your system still...
Jan 24 09:02:32 <Vulcanis> oh, shit.  You might have to slide it open to wake it up, too.  *sighs* Dpad should be on the faceplate of the n810
Jan 24 09:02:32 <AStorm> well, if we had a mode to drop all connections at once while locking, that would be what hell wants
Jan 24 09:02:43 <AStorm> assuming he didn't break cpufreq
Jan 24 09:02:49 <Vulcanis> that takes a few more button presses
Jan 24 09:02:54 <AStorm> or has a stupid app gobbling CPU
Jan 24 09:02:56 <Vulcanis> power button tap
Jan 24 09:02:58 <Vulcanis> down
Jan 24 09:02:59 <Vulcanis> center
Jan 24 09:03:02 <Vulcanis> powerbutton tap
Jan 24 09:03:04 <Vulcanis> center
Jan 24 09:03:05 <AStorm> yes, offline mode
Jan 24 09:03:08 <AStorm> :)
Jan 24 09:03:17 <AStorm> also, you can script that I think
Jan 24 09:03:28 <AStorm> with that funny app...
Jan 24 09:03:33 <AStorm> what was it called...
Jan 24 09:03:53 <hell> offline mode only switch off radio, or what?
Jan 24 09:04:03 <qwerty12> xnee?
Jan 24 09:04:07 <AStorm> radio and bluetooth
Jan 24 09:04:19 <AStorm> forcibly.
Jan 24 09:04:34 <AStorm> *wifi and bluetooth ofc
Jan 24 09:04:45 <hell> so, browser with flash will still discharge my battery.
Jan 24 09:04:56 <AStorm> sure, it will
Jan 24 09:05:03 <AStorm> so "don't do that"
Jan 24 09:05:27 <hell> there are one simply way to do, what i want - it's suspend.
Jan 24 09:05:27 <AStorm> alternatively, you might want to fix s2ram
Jan 24 09:05:41 <AStorm> have fun packaging 2.6.28-omap
Jan 24 09:05:55 <AStorm> tell us when you do (and the new wifi driver)
Jan 24 09:05:58 <Jaffa> Morning, all
Jan 24 09:05:58 <hell> yeah, that what i want to hear, "you can't do it now" :-)
Jan 24 09:06:11 <AStorm> you can
Jan 24 09:06:12 <AStorm> if you get your kernel fixed
Jan 24 09:06:15 <AStorm> :)
Jan 24 09:06:22 <hell> as user, i can't)
Jan 24 09:06:35 <AStorm> you can try
Jan 24 09:06:43 <AStorm> not sure if it'll live
Jan 24 09:06:53 <AStorm> try that n800-s2ram script, it does a bit of additional magic
Jan 24 09:07:57 <Jaffa> dobb: as-in, you can't click on anything in it?
Jan 24 09:08:08 <Jaffa> s/it/the toolbox/
Jan 24 09:08:08 <infobot> Jaffa meant: dobb: as-in, you can't click on anything in the toolbox?
Jan 24 09:08:22 <AStorm> hmmmmm
Jan 24 09:08:43 <AStorm> I'd want it running not on lock screen...
Jan 24 09:08:49 <AStorm> because I use that for playing media
Jan 24 09:09:08 <AStorm> maybe on lock device or something else... or a simple click on icon
Jan 24 09:11:30 <AStorm> hey, where does dpkg --unpack unpack the deb to?
Jan 24 09:12:31 <gnuton> AStorm: it should unpack it in the current dir
Jan 24 09:13:03 <zetheroo> has anyone been able to get tomtom working on the N810 ?
Jan 24 09:13:21 <AStorm> gnuton: no
Jan 24 09:13:26 <AStorm> it puts in onto /
Jan 24 09:13:29 <AStorm> like install
Jan 24 09:13:33 <AStorm> graah
Jan 24 09:14:03 <gnuton> AStorm: mm ok then I didn't remember it
Jan 24 09:14:08 <AStorm> ok, I want to take a peek into the .deb
Jan 24 09:14:29 <AStorm> zetheroo: might be hard - Tomtom devices are MIPS not ARM
Jan 24 09:14:42 <persia> AStorm, Try `dpkg -x foo.deb FOO && dpkg -e foo.deb FOO`
Jan 24 09:15:14 <zetheroo> AStorm: I got it working on my Nokia N95  .... which is running Symbian
Jan 24 09:16:05 <AStorm> zetheroo: tell me how
Jan 24 09:16:22 <AStorm> is it a standard tomtom as found on their devices, or some other?
Jan 24 09:16:24 <Macer_> hi
Jan 24 09:16:50 <Macer_> have to get root on my g1 before i lose it
Jan 24 09:17:34 <Macer_> ok... ive used linux for a long time and always wondered... wtf is the foo shit?
Jan 24 09:17:37 <zetheroo> AStorm: I downloaded Tomtom and installed a file called tomtom.sisx ... then copied a folder into my root area ...
Jan 24 09:18:02 <AStorm> tomtom.sisx? what is that and from where?
Jan 24 09:18:10 <hell> ggg
Jan 24 09:18:48 <hell> zetheroo: i think, answer will 'No, until TomTom compiles it for Maemo".
Jan 24 09:19:14 <hell> or Nokia build symbian emulator for NXXX
Jan 24 09:19:16 <AStorm> heh, depends
Jan 24 09:19:29 <AStorm> symbian simulation shouldn't be that hard...
Jan 24 09:19:31 <zetheroo> AStorm: I downloaded it from a torrent ..
Jan 24 09:19:39 <zetheroo> its works great
Jan 24 09:19:42 <AStorm> it would be symbian simulation for linux actually
Jan 24 09:19:54 <AStorm> ok, so it's some kind of hacked software or something?
Jan 24 09:20:02 <AStorm> I need to know what was it hacked from
Jan 24 09:20:40 <AStorm> symbian emulation could be done the Wine way...
Jan 24 09:20:56 <AStorm> ah, right, Tomtom Mobile
Jan 24 09:21:07 <Macer_> the wine way?
Jan 24 09:21:29 <hell> yeah, drink and sim)
Jan 24 09:21:32 <Macer_> nokia has to totally revamp symbian
Jan 24 09:22:49 <hell> AStorm: there are troubles with symbian apps across nokia phones, what will happens with sims..
Jan 24 09:24:20 <zetheroo> anyhow i was just hoping that there was a way to get this working on my N810 ..
Jan 24 09:24:25 <AStorm> now it's tomtom symbian
Jan 24 09:24:31 <AStorm> uhm, tomtom navigator
Jan 24 09:24:36 <zetheroo> as it has such a nice screen
Jan 24 09:24:37 <AStorm> zetheroo: not now
Jan 24 09:24:42 <AStorm> we don't have a symbian emulator
Jan 24 09:24:50 <zetheroo> ok ...
Jan 24 09:24:55 <AStorm> actually, prodding tomtom to offer a variant could work
Jan 24 09:25:01 <AStorm> because for them it's a rebuild away...
Jan 24 09:25:09 <AStorm> they have one for Linux MIPS already
Jan 24 09:25:15 <zetheroo> hmmm
Jan 24 09:26:37 <AStorm> we could try to reverse Symbian SDK too, but it would hell of a job
Jan 24 09:28:54 <AStorm> there's no emulator for Linux as far as I can see
Jan 24 09:28:59 <AStorm> there is one for windows...
Jan 24 09:29:51 <AStorm> Symbian is all closed, bound and very not conducive to development too
Jan 24 09:31:10 <zetheroo> what other GPS apps will work in Maemo?
Jan 24 09:31:28 <suihkulokki> tomtom navigators run on arm linux, one hack them to work on tablets :P
Jan 24 09:31:52 <AStorm> "will become open source in the first half of 2009."
Jan 24 09:32:09 <AStorm> hmmh
Jan 24 09:32:24 <AStorm> suihkulokki: oh really? they do?
Jan 24 09:32:28 <AStorm> where?
Jan 24 09:32:37 <AStorm> if it works on arm linux, no hack is needed
Jan 24 09:32:48 <AStorm> where is that mentioned I mean.
Jan 24 09:33:03 <AStorm> I know, they do work on WinMobile (wine anyone? :P) and Symbian
Jan 24 09:33:51 <AStorm> oh wait...
Jan 24 09:34:01 <AStorm> some of their devices use ARM...
Jan 24 09:34:37 <AStorm> except that uses linux framebuffer
Jan 24 09:35:33 <AStorm> http://zzzontomtom.wordpress.com/tomtom-hardware/ hmmmhmmhmm
Jan 24 09:35:45 <AStorm> I say - possible, but not necessarily integrable
Jan 24 09:36:57 <AStorm> even emulating that hardware should be easy
Jan 24 09:40:41 <AStorm> arm920 code can be ran directly, so we get to: simulate framebuffer, touchscreen, gps via serial port and provide dummy accel data.
Jan 24 09:43:17 <AStorm> as it's linux... we know the API to simulate
Jan 24 09:43:39 * AStorm smells a new topic of engineering degree ;P
Jan 24 09:45:05 <AStorm> gps via serial means writing a forwarder to gpsd
Jan 24 09:47:41 <AStorm> hmm, so, need: LD_PRELOAD for /dev/ttyS1, hmm
Jan 24 09:47:49 <AStorm> not sure about touchscreen and framebuffer yet
Jan 24 09:48:02 <AStorm> oh wait, it's probably built statically
Jan 24 09:48:14 <AStorm> hmm, will have to grab real calls then
Jan 24 09:49:06 <Stskeeps> qwerty12: pong
Jan 24 09:50:09 <qwerty12> Stskeeps, import-new-packages doesn't handle source packages that use an orig.tar.gz & a diff.tar.gz well. I fixed the python-gnome problem but it wont let me replace the original source packages saying that the checksum & size on my new orig.tar.gz is wrong.
Jan 24 09:50:56 <Stskeeps> qwerty12: sec, will go upstairs to a proper kbd
Jan 24 09:50:57 <AStorm> hmm, my cross glibc failed in a weird way...
Jan 24 09:50:59 <AStorm> as: unrecognized option '-meabi=4'
Jan 24 09:51:15 <AStorm> probably a major bug :)
Jan 24 09:53:00 <AStorm> hmm, cross assembler wasn't built. Ok.
Jan 24 09:56:02 <AStorm> if it happens that TomTom software is not statically linked, we have our work cut out for us
Jan 24 09:56:22 <AStorm> as it will amount to a proper LD_PRELOAD (actually, after guessing the libc they use)
Jan 24 09:56:42 <qwerty12> If it can be run on a zaurus: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=cW5-32_aL3A :)
Jan 24 09:56:43 <AStorm> if it is built statically, we get to provide fake devices somehow
Jan 24 09:56:57 <Stskeeps> qwerty12: what's source package name?
Jan 24 09:57:03 <AStorm> gimme
Jan 24 09:57:03 <qwerty12> Stskeeps, advanced-power
Jan 24 09:57:27 <AStorm> qwerty12: more info on that please :)
Jan 24 09:57:32 <AStorm> then we can make a port easily
Jan 24 09:57:43 <AStorm> OMAP2 can run ARM920 code
Jan 24 09:57:49 <Stskeeps> qwerty12: do you use dpkg-buildpackage -sd or -sa?
Jan 24 09:58:09 <Stskeeps> sa means force inclusion of new source, sd means only the diff
Jan 24 09:58:10 <AStorm> qwerty12: obviously, it'd be much nicer if we could get it to run in a window (fake fb, touchscreen)
Jan 24 09:58:35 <qwerty12> AStorm, I really don't have any :). All I know is that you can catch the guy who made the video on itt : http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6991&page=2 (speculatrix)
Jan 24 09:58:43 <qwerty12> Stskeeps, ahh, I've been using sa
Jan 24 09:59:17 <Stskeeps> http://www.zaurus.org.uk/opentom/index.html
Jan 24 09:59:32 <AStorm> Stskeeps: not much info there
Jan 24 09:59:36 <Stskeeps> m
Jan 24 09:59:37 <Stskeeps> k
Jan 24 10:00:48 <AStorm> I guess they had the fb init in 320x240
Jan 24 10:01:13 <AStorm> hopefully it uses OSS for audio
Jan 24 10:01:27 <AStorm> then we could simulate the WM chip ;P
Jan 24 10:01:41 <thopiekar> hello
Jan 24 10:02:16 <thopiekar> I started the mer vdi v.6 but where are the basics? even the maemo-xterm?
Jan 24 10:02:28 * johnx wanders by
Jan 24 10:02:58 <Stskeeps> thopiekar: well one of the first sentences say "don't expect too much" :) we have osso-xterm in 0.7
Jan 24 10:03:34 <Stskeeps> or you can ctrl-alt-f1 and log in as root, dhclient eth0, apt-get update, apt-get install osso-xterm, reboot
Jan 24 10:03:45 <Stskeeps> 0.7 will be out 1. feb
Jan 24 10:03:47 <Stskeeps> morning jott
Jan 24 10:03:48 <Stskeeps> johnx
Jan 24 10:04:08 <johnx> :)
Jan 24 10:04:09 <thopiekar> Stskeeps: hehe thanks
Jan 24 10:04:23 <johnx> now is the season of having house guests it appears
Jan 24 10:05:05 <qwerty12> Stskeeps, http://pastebin.com/d2975b7c7 - -sd is no go.
Jan 24 10:05:33 <Stskeeps> qwerty12: fair enough, deleting source package for you then
Jan 24 10:05:45 <qwerty12> k
Jan 24 10:06:47 <bongo> ctrl-alt-f1 doesn't work in virtualbox
Jan 24 10:06:58 <Stskeeps> bongo: okay, it does on windows :P
Jan 24 10:06:59 <AStorm> hmm, now I can't find out how the tomtom app is linked
Jan 24 10:07:07 <johnx> bongo, can you try chvt 1
Jan 24 10:07:09 <AStorm> I'll try when I get back home
Jan 24 10:07:28 <AStorm> if it's dynamically linked, it's an exercise in LD_PRELOAD.
Jan 24 10:07:36 <AStorm> :)
Jan 24 10:07:49 <Stskeeps> bongo: try hostkey alt f1
Jan 24 10:07:59 <AStorm> (and simulating linux framebuffer and touchscreen in a window)
Jan 24 10:08:02 <bongo> johnx: i don't understand
Jan 24 10:08:14 <Stskeeps> or just hostkey f1 (right ctrl and f1 probably)
Jan 24 10:08:23 <bongo> sts: ok, i'll try
Jan 24 10:08:28 <Meiz_n810> bongo: right ctrl won't work if it's your host key
Jan 24 10:08:42 <Stskeeps> Meiz_n810: left ctrl won't work if you're on linux :)
Jan 24 10:08:46 <Meiz_n810> at least it didn't work in my virtbox
Jan 24 10:08:50 <Stskeeps> right ctrl + f1 seems to do the trick
Jan 24 10:08:55 <AStorm> hmmmh
Jan 24 10:08:59 <bongo> meiz: i know that
Jan 24 10:09:01 <AStorm> they use mmapped sound, even better
Jan 24 10:09:06 <bongo> ok, thx guys
Jan 24 10:09:10 <AStorm> with a funny driver, but opensource
Jan 24 10:09:15 <AStorm> so, can emulate that too
Jan 24 10:09:22 <Stskeeps> TomTomEmu?
Jan 24 10:09:22 <Stskeeps> :P
Jan 24 10:09:46 <johnx> you should be able to run chvt 1 from an x terminal to switch vts
Jan 24 10:09:47 <bongo> the best way is to wait for 0.7
Jan 24 10:09:54 <bongo> :D
Jan 24 10:09:58 <qwerty12> Well, if AStorm succeeds in his mission, then at least we'll have a proper navigation program :P
Jan 24 10:10:15 <johnx> heh...just not one that's legal to distribute :P
Jan 24 10:10:23 <bongo> johnx, i see
Jan 24 10:10:59 <AStorm> johnx: why not?
Jan 24 10:11:03 <qwerty12> johnx, ahha, it's never stopped me before :P
Jan 24 10:11:11 <AStorm> as long as you don't distribute the licence file, you're fine :P
Jan 24 10:11:16 <AStorm> obviously, it will be useless without it
Jan 24 10:11:19 <AStorm> :P
Jan 24 10:11:40 <johnx> AStorm, thin ice :P
Jan 24 10:11:41 <AStorm> so, you still get to buy some tomtom app
Jan 24 10:11:55 <AStorm> well, I won't be hacking the app itself...
Jan 24 10:12:02 <AStorm> just writing a thin emulation layer
Jan 24 10:12:25 <Stskeeps> qwerty12: did i say the package was removed btw?
Jan 24 10:12:29 <Stskeeps> (bit senile in the mornings)
Jan 24 10:12:33 <qwerty12> Stskeeps, now you just did :)
Jan 24 10:12:38 <johnx> AStorm, right but you can't distribute the navigation program :P
Jan 24 10:13:20 <qwerty12> Do tomtom ship updates for their devices? /me hoping it's something you can mount using mtdblock
Jan 24 10:14:01 <AStorm> johnx: so?
Jan 24 10:14:07 <AStorm> qwerty12: yes
Jan 24 10:14:12 <AStorm> and you can mount it over USB too
Jan 24 10:14:16 <johnx> AStorm, just saying *shrug*
Jan 24 10:14:19 <qwerty12> AStorm, thanks
Jan 24 10:14:31 <AStorm> as a normal USB device (I own a TomTom GO 310)
Jan 24 10:15:22 <AStorm> does our gpsd have an NMEA i/o?
Jan 24 10:15:57 <Jaffa> Yes
Jan 24 10:16:38 <AStorm> excellent
Jan 24 10:16:48 <AStorm> one emulation down, three to go :)
Jan 24 10:17:17 <Stskeeps> AStorm: if you discover some way to emulate a framebuffer device that could be interesting for emulating davlik in :P
Jan 24 10:17:21 <Stskeeps> or wtf it's name is :P
Jan 24 10:17:25 <AStorm> pity I can't see if it's dynamically linked
Jan 24 10:17:38 <johnx> Stskeeps, finish your coffee :P
Jan 24 10:17:39 <AStorm> Stskeeps: API is open, so?
Jan 24 10:17:46 <Stskeeps> johnx: ok.. :P
Jan 24 10:17:55 <AStorm> it's normal writes to /dev/fb
Jan 24 10:18:03 <AStorm> using Linux 2.6 format
Jan 24 10:18:48 <AStorm> we could abuse qemu too... :>
Jan 24 10:19:06 <AStorm> armel on armel could be made fast
Jan 24 10:19:38 <persia> kvm for armel?
Jan 24 10:20:31 <AStorm> not exactly kvm
Jan 24 10:20:49 <AStorm> just the dosbox way
Jan 24 10:21:13 <AStorm> or virtualbox, if you will
Jan 24 10:21:14 <AStorm> :)
Jan 24 10:21:55 <AStorm> basically, have a JIT - actually only have to emulate hardware access
Jan 24 10:23:21 <Guest3571> hi guys! I have problem. Is it possible for anyone
Jan 24 10:23:28 <Guest3571> to paste me his repository of easy debian?
Jan 24 10:23:35 <AStorm> persia: so, more like kqemu for armel
Jan 24 10:23:42 <AStorm> :)
Jan 24 10:24:07 <persia> AStorm, That's precisely the terms I just gave Google :)
Jan 24 10:24:24 <AStorm> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/jaunty/armel/kqemu-source/1.4.0~pre1-1ubuntu1
Jan 24 10:24:27 <AStorm> hmmmh
Jan 24 10:24:35 <AStorm> I smell win.
Jan 24 10:25:34 <bongo> bah :D
Jan 24 10:25:38 <AStorm> ah, cheated
Jan 24 10:25:44 <bongo> to hell ....
Jan 24 10:25:45 <AStorm> it only links to i386 build
Jan 24 10:26:25 <Jaffa> ARM JIT on armel would be fantastic for RISC OS emulation, too
Jan 24 10:26:39 <Stskeeps> bongo: you can probably trick it going into console by killing hildon-desktop from the load applet
Jan 24 10:26:43 <AStorm> yeah
Jan 24 10:26:56 <AStorm> Jaffa: armel jit actually, arm needs a lot of byteswapping
Jan 24 10:27:05 <bongo> sts: nice idea
Jan 24 10:27:06 <Jaffa> AStorm: ah, true
Jan 24 10:27:22 <Jake42-2> what is this all about???? Running ubuntu on maemo???
Jan 24 10:27:43 <Jaffa> Jake42-2: Mer is Maemo rebuilt using a base of Ubuntu Jaunty.
Jan 24 10:28:10 <Jake42-2> So the N810 instead of maemo it boots with mer???
Jan 24 10:28:11 <Jaffa> AStorm/persia are talking about emulating the h/w TomTom expects
Jan 24 10:28:26 <AStorm> hmmmh, we'd need KVM for armel
Jan 24 10:28:27 <Jaffa> Jake42-2: Indeed. http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer - not yet ready for end-users.
Jan 24 10:28:31 <AStorm> or kqemu
Jan 24 10:28:52 * Stslaptop schedules another trip to his server.
Jan 24 10:28:53 <persia> Jaffa, Right.  We got distracted :)
Jan 24 10:30:16 <Jake42-2> The easy debian uses thes same repositories as ubuntu?
Jan 24 10:30:40 <AStorm> so, I think it should be easier to hackemulate it for now instead of writing kvm support
Jan 24 10:30:56 <AStorm> (w/o kvm, it'll be far too slow)
Jan 24 10:33:07 <Jake42-2> I want to use a website on N8x0
Jan 24 10:33:13 <AStorm> so?
Jan 24 10:33:16 <Jake42-2> Which is the native resolution in order
Jan 24 10:33:23 <Jake42-2> to run it in full screen
Jan 24 10:33:28 <AStorm> 800x480
Jan 24 10:33:52 <Jake42-2> so the whole frame should be
Jan 24 10:33:54 <AStorm> (or close - note that so many sites ignore a possible scrollbar)
Jan 24 10:33:57 <Jake42-2> 800x480....
Jan 24 10:34:14 <Jake42-2> yes , that's why I am asking
Jan 24 10:34:16 <AStorm> so, more like 750 width, 300 height
Jan 24 10:34:17 <Jake42-2> ok about this
Jan 24 10:34:38 <Jake42-2> indeed
Jan 24 10:34:47 <Jake42-2> have you ever used easy debian>
Jan 24 10:34:48 <Jake42-2> ?
Jan 24 10:35:52 <AStorm> no
Jan 24 10:36:11 <Jake42-2> too bad...
Jan 24 10:36:22 <Jake42-2> what ever...
Jan 24 10:36:26 <Jake42-2> about the previous
Jan 24 10:36:45 <Jake42-2> with Mer
Jan 24 10:36:51 <Jake42-2> what is it exactly?
Jan 24 10:36:58 <Jake42-2> Is it an emulator of OS
Jan 24 10:37:03 <Jake42-2> inside the maemo
Jan 24 10:37:10 <Jake42-2> or it can boot directly instead of maemo?
Jan 24 10:38:39 <timoph> "Mer is a new Linux operating system, built upon a thin base of Ubuntu Jaunty" quote from the wiki page
Jan 24 10:38:49 <lcuk> AStorm, have you sorted your identification lookup?
Jan 24 10:39:12 <Stslaptop> timoph: i suspect minimal might be more in order, but yes, it is built on top of ubuntu jaunty
Jan 24 10:39:54 <AStorm> lcuk: what lookup? you mean for handwriting?
Jan 24 10:40:01 <lcuk> yeah
Jan 24 10:40:03 <AStorm> hash table proved fast after I fixed the hash
Jan 24 10:40:05 <AStorm> :P
Jan 24 10:40:13 <lcuk> cool, good enough
Jan 24 10:40:20 <Jake42-2> timoph, may I use it in N8x0 ?
Jan 24 10:40:44 <AStorm> it's designed for that
Jan 24 10:40:49 <AStorm> but it's in development still
Jan 24 10:41:01 <AStorm> I think you can use that new mobile ubuntu
Jan 24 10:41:10 <AStorm> and probably normal debian for armel too
Jan 24 10:41:14 <lcuk> Jake42-2, short answer, yes, long answer - you should personally avoid it
Jan 24 10:41:15 <Jaffa> Stslaptop: don't want to diminish the apt-gettiness of everything else in Jaunty
Jan 24 10:41:48 <lcuk> morning khertan \o
Jan 24 10:43:42 <AStorm> Jake42-2: it's not ready for normal use yet
Jan 24 10:44:46 <Jake42-2> AStorm,
Jan 24 10:44:48 <Jake42-2> UBUNTU????
Jan 24 10:44:49 <Jake42-2> how???
Jan 24 10:45:09 <AStorm> Jaunty... but many things won't work
Jan 24 10:45:14 <AStorm> better wait until Mer is ready.
Jan 24 10:47:43 <Jake42-2> ok
Jan 24 10:47:45 <Jake42-2> now
Jan 24 10:47:50 <Jake42-2> I think I should
Jan 24 10:47:59 <AStorm> use Enter key less? ;)
Jan 24 10:48:21 <Jake42-2> flash the N810, how may I do it safely?
Jan 24 10:48:46 <AStorm> with Nokia's flasher app I guess (not the windows one)
Jan 24 10:49:00 <AStorm> you can use it to read the current flash state too
Jan 24 10:49:08 <AStorm> ~flashing
Jan 24 10:49:09 <infobot> flashing is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware
Jan 24 10:49:11 <AStorm> ^
Jan 24 10:50:52 <Jake42-2> Hmmmm
Jan 24 10:51:05 <Jake42-2> I want to delete everything in maemo and
Jan 24 10:51:10 <Jake42-2> set the N810
Jan 24 10:51:16 <Jake42-2> to his initial condition
Jan 24 10:51:21 <Jake42-2> as like when I bought it....
Jan 24 10:51:32 <lcuk> Jake42-2, what course are you doing at uni
Jan 24 10:51:34 <Jake42-2> with flash would I be able to do this?
Jan 24 10:52:24 <AStorm> yes, you will
Jan 24 10:52:34 <AStorm> flashing overwrites everything
Jan 24 10:53:06 <Jake42-2> lcuk, Electronic Health record
Jan 24 10:53:20 <Jake42-2> the course is named Electronic Health
Jan 24 10:53:53 <lcuk> Jake42-2, become friends with people doing computer science :)
Jan 24 10:54:19 <Jake42-2> (I study computer science.... Informatics Engineering)
Jan 24 10:55:37 <AStorm> ouch
Jan 24 10:55:48 * AStorm feels his future degree downgraded
Jan 24 10:55:59 <AStorm> that's not even mentioning the regression
Jan 24 10:56:10 <AStorm> uhm, recession
Jan 24 10:56:11 <AStorm> ;P
Jan 24 10:56:52 <Jake42-2> I don't understand you
Jan 24 10:57:04 <AStorm> that's exactly what I mean
Jan 24 10:57:09 <lcuk> AStorm, for now i like my downsized computer :)
Jan 24 10:58:45 <Stslaptop> lcuk: your primary job function is now using an abacus for VB coding?
Jan 24 10:59:11 <AStorm> lcuk: what about being downsized yourself?
Jan 24 10:59:20 <AStorm> (I hate that euphemism)
Jan 24 10:59:28 <lcuk> heh http://forums.xkcd.com/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=30588#p1001882
Jan 24 10:59:49 <AStorm> ca't they just all it "being fired" as it shul?
Jan 24 10:59:56 <AStorm> *should?
Jan 24 10:59:58 <lcuk> i mean coming from intel super ghz
Jan 24 11:03:01 <AStorm> mmmh
Jan 24 11:03:02 <AStorm> http://xkcd.com/534/
Jan 24 11:03:09 <Jaffa> There's a difference between being "fired" and being made "redundant"
Jan 24 11:03:31 * Stslaptop ponders idly about qgil's comment on non-kernel components
Jan 24 11:03:49 <Stslaptop> either he didn't see we found the things about phone&SMS yet or he's teasing us :P
Jan 24 11:04:14 <Jaffa> Maybe he meant the Fremantle UI widgets (as can be seen in mer ;-))
Jan 24 11:04:20 <Jaffa> What phone & SMS bits?
Jan 24 11:04:40 <Stslaptop> Jaffa: MCE headers has stuff about SMS&phone calls and such
Jan 24 11:04:44 <Stslaptop> think yerga posted them
Jan 24 11:05:48 <Stslaptop> #define MCE_CALL_STATE_CELLULAR			"cellular" for instance
Jan 24 11:05:54 <AStorm> Jaffa: uhm, we're all redundant
Jan 24 11:06:00 <AStorm> *everyone* can be replaced
Jan 24 11:06:14 <Stslaptop> AStorm: with more or less trouble yes
Jan 24 11:06:21 <lcuk> even steve jobs?
Jan 24 11:06:23 <AStorm> the problem is - is the too much redundancy in my chosen line of work ;P
Jan 24 11:06:23 <Jaffa> Stslaptop: Yep, saw that one. Missed the stuff about SMS, though
Jan 24 11:06:31 * johnx can't be replaced :)
Jan 24 11:06:46 <AStorm> johnx: you can
Jan 24 11:06:56 <AStorm> by someone who is cheaper (talking work)
Jan 24 11:07:02 <Jaffa> AStorm: everyone can be replaced ("the cemetery is full of indispensible people", however your company can't make a person redundant (under UK Law) and then keep the position/role, but fill it with someone else)
Jan 24 11:07:23 <Stslaptop> Jaffa: also #define MCE_EMERGENCY_CALL			"emergency" is interesting
Jan 24 11:07:25 <AStorm> Jaffa: they can, sure
Jan 24 11:07:37 <Stslaptop> because that's something you definately don't find in VoIP
Jan 24 11:07:51 <AStorm> Jaffa: they can easily fire you with the full package and honors
Jan 24 11:07:57 <johnx> Stslaptop, depends on the laws in the country
Jan 24 11:08:02 <AStorm> "you weren't cheap enough"
Jan 24 11:08:08 <AStorm> :)
Jan 24 11:08:21 <Jaffa> AStorm: Not under UK Employment law they can't. They can "fire" you, but that's not being made "redundant". And there has to be grounds for dismissal in that case, otherwise you can go to an Employment Tribunal.
Jan 24 11:08:22 <Stslaptop> ah, there it was
Jan 24 11:08:29 <Stslaptop> localization strings for maemo-af-desktop
Jan 24 11:08:36 <Stslaptop> # Incoming event text field item. where %d is the amount of SMS threads
Jan 24 11:08:36 <Stslaptop> msgid "tana_fi_sms_multiple"
Jan 24 11:08:36 <Stslaptop> msgstr "%d SMS messages"
Jan 24 11:08:43 <AStorm> Jaffa: there are - you didn't accept wage reduction
Jan 24 11:08:45 <AStorm> ;P
Jan 24 11:08:56 <Jaffa> AStorm: are you trolling, or just trying to be funny?
Jan 24 11:08:59 <AStorm> they *will* win
Jan 24 11:09:03 <Jaffa> I emphasise "trying"
Jan 24 11:09:12 <AStorm> both
Jan 24 11:09:30 <AStorm> so, now, they can try to get your wage reduced
Jan 24 11:09:45 <AStorm> the trick is if you'll accept it
Jan 24 11:09:59 <AStorm> either way, you're screwed
Jan 24 11:10:04 * lcuk yawns
Jan 24 11:10:54 <AStorm> as long as you're above minimal wage, of course
Jan 24 11:11:42 * AStorm should lecture hope crushing
Jan 24 11:12:30 * lcuk curses integer only font scaling
Jan 24 11:12:36 <Jake42-2> johnx, does the repositories of Debian fit on easy debian???
Jan 24 11:12:55 <johnx> yes
Jan 24 11:13:00 <Jake42-2> all of them?
Jan 24 11:14:01 <johnx> the repository will "work" but installing a different kernel in easy debian won't do anything
Jan 24 11:16:16 <Jake42-2> I need the php...
Jan 24 11:16:18 <Jake42-2> to work
Jan 24 11:16:24 <Jake42-2> until now
Jan 24 11:16:28 <Jake42-2> my source.list
Jan 24 11:16:35 <Jake42-2> has only 2 tupples
Jan 24 11:16:38 <Jake42-2> *tuples
Jan 24 11:16:53 <Jake42-2> would you mind to paste your repository?
Jan 24 11:17:03 <johnx> I don't use debian
Jan 24 11:17:05 <johnx> I use ubuntu
Jan 24 11:17:46 <Jake42-2> on N810?
Jan 24 11:17:57 <johnx> yes
Jan 24 11:18:03 <Jake42-2> with MER?
Jan 24 11:18:07 <johnx> yes
Jan 24 11:18:14 <Jake42-2> is it stable?
Jan 24 11:18:28 <Jake42-2> (because some guys told that isn't)
Jan 24 11:18:36 <Meizirkki> it's alpha stage
Jan 24 11:18:47 <johnx> it's stable but it doesn't do much
Jan 24 11:18:49 <Jake42-2> (so not 100% stable)
Jan 24 11:18:52 <lcuk> nobody said it wasnt stable, they will have said its incomplete and not ready for novices yet :)
Jan 24 11:18:57 <Jake42-2> can you try to install LAMP ?
Jan 24 11:19:23 <johnx> Jaffa, why don't you grab the mer virtualbox image and try it. I'm making pumpkin pie right now
Jan 24 11:19:42 <Stslaptop> mm pumpkin pie
Jan 24 11:20:13 <johnx> Stslaptop, i'll email some to you
Jan 24 11:20:42 <johnx> sorry, Jaffa that last comment was to Jake42-2
Jan 24 11:20:50 <johnx> <- fails at using tab
Jan 24 11:20:51 <lcuk> mmmmm johnx, your ideas intrigue me and I wish to sign up for your newsletter.
Jan 24 11:21:33 <johnx> lcuk, on pumpkin pie or mer? :P
Jan 24 11:21:47 <Jake42-2> johnx right know I am flashing
Jan 24 11:21:52 <lcuk> mer running on pumkin pie
Jan 24 11:21:53 <Jake42-2> right know...
Jan 24 11:21:58 <lcuk> put it away
Jan 24 11:23:55 <Jake42-2> mer is quicker than easy debian?
Jan 24 11:24:00 <Jake42-2> (ubuntu +mer )
Jan 24 11:24:13 <johnx> Jake42-2, about the same for what you're doing
Jan 24 11:24:50 <Jake42-2> at least I would have the packages from debian
Jan 24 11:25:15 <Jake42-2> which distro do you have?
Jan 24 11:25:17 <Jake42-2> 8.10?
Jan 24 11:25:24 <Jake42-2> (or the 9.04?)
Jan 24 11:25:30 <lcuk> Jake42-2, have your classmates got the same assignment as you?
Jan 24 11:25:30 <johnx> mer is based on ubuntu 9.04.
Jan 24 11:25:41 <Jake42-2> lcuk,  no I have the most difficult
Jan 24 11:25:51 <Jake42-2> (unlucky)
Jan 24 11:26:16 <Jake42-2> I am at 95% of accomplishing it
Jan 24 11:26:27 <Jake42-2> the rest 95% is the nokia-part
Jan 24 11:26:32 <Jake42-2> *rest 5%
Jan 24 11:26:47 <lcuk> why? nokia did their part and supplied the hardware
Jan 24 11:27:15 <Jake42-2> whatever...
Jan 24 11:27:24 <Jake42-2> the php5-mysql part
Jan 24 11:27:25 <Jake42-2> then
Jan 24 11:27:46 <Jake42-2> but the repository is deb http://gr.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hardy universe
Jan 24 11:27:56 <Jake42-2> I don't have hardy on easy....
Jan 24 11:28:01 <Jake42-2> it is deblet
Jan 24 11:28:06 <Jake42-2> *isn't
Jan 24 11:29:09 <johnx> hardy != debian
Jan 24 11:31:04 <Jake42-2> yes I know that :(
Jan 24 11:31:13 <Jake42-2> but the "format" it is the same..
Jan 24 11:31:49 <johnx> yes
Jan 24 11:32:16 <johnx> if you google debian sources.list there are examples
Jan 24 11:32:29 <Jake42-2> I am on it
Jan 24 11:32:45 <Jake42-2> but I have one more problem
Jan 24 11:32:55 <Jake42-2> I am also on debian.pacages
Jan 24 11:33:03 <Jake42-2> at the textbox of search
Jan 24 11:33:20 <Jake42-2> I put apache2
Jan 24 11:33:37 <Jake42-2> select the etch distro
Jan 24 11:33:55 <Jake42-2> now how am I supposed to see which url I need to add on my source.list ?
Jan 24 11:34:12 <johnx> you only need one url in sources.list
Jan 24 11:34:29 <johnx> and the latest easy debian turn edition should have a fine sources.list
Jan 24 11:35:04 <Jake42-2> but
Jan 24 11:35:07 <Jake42-2> last night
Jan 24 11:35:10 <Jake42-2> I installed
Jan 24 11:35:15 <Jake42-2> the easy debian
Jan 24 11:35:24 <Jake42-2> but still the source.list is empty
Jan 24 11:35:26 <johnx> which version?
Jan 24 11:35:36 <johnx> which post did you get it from? link?
Jan 24 11:35:37 <Jake42-2> I think it is the turbo one)
Jan 24 11:35:56 <Jake42-2> http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24272
Jan 24 11:35:59 <Jake42-2> this one
Jan 24 11:36:27 <Jake42-2> that's why I asked someone to paste his repo
Jan 24 11:36:31 <Jake42-2> *his/her
Jan 24 11:37:51 <johnx> deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ etch main contrib non-free
Jan 24 11:39:14 <Jake42-2> this one only should be fine for the source.list?
Jan 24 11:39:36 <RST38h> heya, johnx
Jan 24 11:39:47 <johnx> Jake42-2, yes
Jan 24 11:39:49 <johnx> RST38h, hey
Jan 24 11:40:00 <Jake42-2> I will keep it in mind (file)
Jan 24 11:40:12 <Jake42-2> but the link of easy debian is it right?
Jan 24 11:41:13 <johnx> yeah
Jan 24 11:41:19 <johnx> strange that it's blank
Jan 24 11:42:03 <Jake42-2> can you suppose
Jan 24 11:42:11 <Jake42-2> any tutorial about mer and ubuntu
Jan 24 11:42:20 <Jake42-2> (just in case to use the right one)
Jan 24 11:42:57 <johnx> ~mer
Jan 24 11:42:58 <infobot> methinks mer is http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer
Jan 24 11:46:17 <Jake42-2> ok I wait until flashing is over
Jan 24 11:46:22 <Jake42-2> and I will try again
Jan 24 11:54:39 <lcukx41> gah @ getting this working
Jan 24 12:01:20 <Jake42-2> which is the difference between the N810 and the wimax edition
Jan 24 12:01:39 <johnx> nothing
Jan 24 12:02:35 <mavhc> wimax chip, aerial, software?
Jan 24 12:03:25 <lcukx41> one is still for sale, the other isnt
Jan 24 12:03:46 <johnx> orange print on keyboard vs blue print
Jan 24 12:04:09 <Jake42-2> lol..
Jan 24 12:04:09 <Jake42-2> thanx
Jan 24 12:04:12 <lcukx41> wimax has a j.lo'esq bulge on its backside
Jan 24 12:04:26 <Jake42-2> because I would say that in greece the wimax isn't available
Jan 24 12:04:39 <Jake42-2> (many products aren't and I import them...)
Jan 24 12:04:52 <johnx> it's not available now
Jan 24 12:04:58 <johnx> it was only available in one city in the US
Jan 24 12:05:15 <lcukx41> wonder if there is now a blackmarket for illicit wimax editions
Jan 24 12:05:32 <lcukx41> manchester had/has a wimax net
Jan 24 12:05:33 <johnx> lcuk, only in DC and Baltimore
Jan 24 12:05:42 <johnx> prolly not compatible
Jan 24 12:06:17 <AStorm> yeah, wimax is not really a standard ;P
Jan 24 12:06:23 <AStorm> too many different frequencies
Jan 24 12:06:48 <johnx> wimax is a standard the same way GSM is a standard :)
Jan 24 12:07:00 <johnx> but even wifi is different in different countries
Jan 24 12:07:03 <AStorm> mhm
Jan 24 12:07:16 <AStorm> not a lot though
Jan 24 12:07:30 <AStorm> with wimax, you have to cover 10 bands or so
Jan 24 12:07:33 <johnx> tell that to someone taking their Italian N800 to Japan :)
Jan 24 12:07:52 <AStorm> it will work, but non-compliant
Jan 24 12:07:53 <AStorm> :)
Jan 24 12:08:02 <AStorm> some channel numbers are off limits
Jan 24 12:08:06 <johnx> right
Jan 24 12:08:13 <johnx> about *half* of the channels are right out
Jan 24 12:08:24 <AStorm> :)
Jan 24 12:08:41 <AStorm> actually, just load the proper modded module/regulatory daemon
Jan 24 12:08:41 <lcukx41> academic anyway since the entire project has been mothballed for now
Jan 24 12:08:46 <AStorm> yeah
Jan 24 12:08:57 <AStorm> because wimax is bad technology ;P
Jan 24 12:09:00 <johnx> heh. int the case of the n800 *don't* load the regulatory daemon :)
Jan 24 12:09:04 <AStorm> not energy efficient enough
Jan 24 12:09:06 <johnx> unlocks your MAC address too
Jan 24 12:10:30 <AStorm> we need 4G for cell phones
Jan 24 12:10:41 <lcukx41> we need longer wires
Jan 24 12:10:48 <johnx> LTE? or wimax-based cell phones
Jan 24 12:11:04 <lcukx41> hpsda based SIP PHONES :)
Jan 24 12:11:17 <lcukx41> -stupid caps
Jan 24 12:11:47 <mavhc> LTE is a retarded name
Jan 24 12:11:51 <AStorm> why?
Jan 24 12:11:57 <dob> Jaffa: yes, that was the problem
Jan 24 12:12:21 <Meizirkki> we need more @450 netwroks :P
Jan 24 12:12:33 <Meizirkki> *networks
Jan 24 12:12:34 <AStorm> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3GPP_Long_Term_Evolution - this
Jan 24 12:12:41 <mavhc> we need broadcast tv to die to free up bandwidth
Jan 24 12:13:15 <Jaffa> dob: hmm, OK - I'll think. The new wiki layout as part of the maemo.org revamp may solve the problem
Jan 24 12:13:21 <mavhc> there must be some countries with no broadcast tv that could have gigabit wifi
Jan 24 12:13:23 <lcukx41> we should return to visible light communications
Jan 24 12:13:24 <AStorm> mavhc: good too, but impossible
Jan 24 12:13:35 <AStorm> lcukx41: har har
Jan 24 12:13:54 <AStorm> too short range
Jan 24 12:13:58 <lcukx41> im serious some guy has reinvented a visible light router
Jan 24 12:14:02 <mavhc> no impossible, in 20 years it'll be cheaper to send hdtv over ip than broadcast
Jan 24 12:14:03 <dob> Jaffa: I already fixed it :)
Jan 24 12:14:18 <Meizirkki> @450 has really long range
Jan 24 12:14:51 <lcukx41> and astorm, light travels a bloody long way, its only problem is pesky things get in its way
Jan 24 12:15:05 <lcukx41> but thats solvable with larger amounts of power :)
Jan 24 12:15:58 <AStorm> yeah, "burn the trees"
Jan 24 12:16:16 <AStorm> ah, and the buildings
Jan 24 12:16:25 <lcukx41> i was thinking "No mr bond, i expect you to die" but if you wanna burn the forests be my guest
Jan 24 12:18:46 <Jaffa> dob: ah, cool - how, OOI?
Jan 24 12:19:35 <Jaffa> Ah, I see
Jan 24 12:20:47 <Jaffa> Thanks
Jan 24 12:24:11 <stv01> hi
Jan 24 12:24:37 <stv01> i've some problems with the latest rtcomm beta
Jan 24 12:25:10 <stv01> everytime i want to connect to msn (haze) it breaks due to a network error
Jan 24 12:25:15 <stv01> any ideas?
Jan 24 12:25:41 <stv01> is there any debug output or a logfile?
Jan 24 12:28:27 <johnx> i had the same problem :/ I thought it was unreliable wifi in my case...but pidging worked
Jan 24 12:28:47 <johnx> also a note: recently MSN changed their protocol a bit and it broke pidgin on the desktop
Jan 24 12:29:00 <johnx> not sure if it was intentional or not or whether they reverted the change
Jan 24 12:41:28 <stv01> jeah i fixed it :)
Jan 24 12:41:55 <johnx> really? what was the trick?
Jan 24 12:42:02 <stv01> a newer version of the libpurple0 was installed
Jan 24 12:42:14 <Stslaptop> god, there's nothing worse than replacing a power supply on a computer when your neck is hurting
Jan 24 12:42:38 <woglinde> Stslaptop hehe didnt you say you wont go to the office
Jan 24 12:42:41 <stv01> perhaps just a incompability between the old and new version
Jan 24 12:42:52 <Stskeeps> woglinde: nah, i found a trick so i could ssh into the lost machine :>
Jan 24 12:43:03 <Stskeeps> but i've had problems with my file server for months now, where Mer repository is
Jan 24 12:43:53 <johnx> random crashes? increasing in frequency? definitely sounds like my power supply problem :/
Jan 24 12:44:21 <Stskeeps> johnx: random power cuts, electric noise, etc
Jan 24 12:44:30 <Stskeeps> i decided it was time to not risk a 3-disk burnout :P
Jan 24 12:44:41 <Stskeeps> it seems to be happy now, even with 150 less W
Jan 24 12:44:45 <johnx> ha
Jan 24 12:44:48 <johnx> same with mine
Jan 24 12:44:58 <johnx> I went from a 250W that was stretched beyond its means to a 200W
Jan 24 12:45:02 <johnx> nothing but happiness
Jan 24 12:45:15 <Stskeeps> (i do have backups of my /export/home and such, but i would be pissed to risk the rest of the data..)
Jan 24 12:45:50 <Stskeeps> what does repository.mer.tspre.org resolve to at your spots btw?
Jan 24 12:46:06 <GeneralAntilles> Stskeeps, probably be worse if your hands were broken.
Jan 24 12:46:19 <johnx> 63.168.242.230
Jan 24 12:46:59 <Stskeeps> k, then it's moved, good
Jan 24 12:47:06 * Stskeeps gets at setting up automatic rsync
Jan 24 12:48:57 <GeneralAntilles> Fuzzy-logic rice cookers aren't much good if you can't put them on the right setting. <_<
Jan 24 12:49:02 * GeneralAntilles sighs at his over-cooked oats.
Jan 24 12:50:03 <tank-man> isnt there just two settings on rice cookers? cook and keep warm
Jan 24 12:51:25 <GeneralAntilles> On cheap ones, yes.
Jan 24 12:51:28 <GeneralAntilles> http://www.amazon.com/Zojirushi-NS-LAC05-Cooker-Warmer-Stainless/dp/B000G30ESY
Jan 24 12:51:47 <johnx> lol. that's an overpriced cheap one :)
Jan 24 12:52:03 <Stslaptop> johnx: could you quickly test how fast it is?
Jan 24 12:52:06 * johnx engages the time travel circuit on his rice cooker to escape 
Jan 24 12:52:08 <GeneralAntilles> johnx, it was under $100 in December
Jan 24 12:52:16 <johnx> ah, not bad then
Jan 24 12:52:19 <GeneralAntilles> But, eh, it cooks great rice.
Jan 24 12:52:23 <lcuk> GeneralAntilles, you need http://www.amazon.com/Delicious-Ways-Cook-Beans-Grains/dp/0452276543/ref=pd_sim_k_1/184-2592992-4667026 as well
Jan 24 12:53:01 <johnx> I just use my $30 to cook rice, but I remember there aren't many cheap ones in the US...
Jan 24 12:53:16 <johnx> Stslaptop, sure
Jan 24 12:53:16 <GeneralAntilles> lcuk, I've got an out-of-print one from 1993.
Jan 24 12:53:49 <GeneralAntilles> johnx, I don't think I've had a more perfect batch of brown rice than the ones that come out of this thing.
Jan 24 12:53:50 <lcuk> thats why then, the instructions are out of date
Jan 24 12:56:32 <johnx> Stskeeps, I'm getting a lot of not found and forbidden from it...
Jan 24 12:57:29 <Stslaptop> johnx: hmmm.
Jan 24 12:58:14 <johnx> also: fighting with my various arm boxen right now...
Jan 24 13:02:44 <johnx> hmm...seems like when wifi powersavings and nm-applet are fighting a bit
Jan 24 13:02:55 <johnx> infobot, stab cx3110x in the face
Jan 24 13:02:56 * infobot runs at cx3110x in the face with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut.
Jan 24 13:04:34 <Stskeeps> johnx: try now
Jan 24 13:04:51 <johnx> works
Jan 24 13:04:54 * johnx tests speed
Jan 24 13:07:30 <johnx> ahaha...coming up to ~50KB/s now that I poked at the other people on my network to stop torrenting stuff :)
Jan 24 13:07:59 <Stslaptop> hehe
Jan 24 13:08:12 <johnx> between 35KB/s and 50KB/s...
Jan 24 13:08:15 <Stslaptop> k
Jan 24 13:08:20 <Stslaptop> what's your line max? :P
Jan 24 13:08:31 <Stslaptop> anyhow, it's not speed that matters, it's stability :P
Jan 24 13:09:39 <johnx> about 500KB/s
Jan 24 13:09:55 <Stslaptop> mmk
Jan 24 13:10:16 <lcukx41> can i change the powersave frequency to lower than the current?
Jan 24 13:10:26 <GeneralAntilles> ~psm
Jan 24 13:10:27 <infobot> psm is probably Personal Security Manager for Mozilla, at http://docs.iplanet.com/docs/manuals/psm/psm-mozilla/index.html.  You don't need to restart mozilla as noted on that URL.  It also consumes 100% CPU unfortunately... lame piece of software. no longer works as of mozilla 0.7, or  needed for viewing of some login sites, i.e. yahoo. install by apt-get install mozilla-psm
Jan 24 13:10:32 <GeneralAntilles> Damn!
Jan 24 13:10:34 <GeneralAntilles> ~wifi-sm
Jan 24 13:10:37 <GeneralAntilles> ~wifi-psm
Jan 24 13:10:38 <infobot> [wifi-psm] http://wiki.maemo.org/Wifi_Power_Saving_Mode_(PSM)
Jan 24 13:11:20 <lcukx41> infobot is shared isnt he
Jan 24 13:11:27 <lcukx41> can we listall his triggers?
Jan 24 13:16:29 <GeneralAntilles> Er?
Jan 24 13:16:30 <GeneralAntilles> Install?
Jan 24 13:17:05 <lcukx41> list all ..
Jan 24 13:17:14 <GeneralAntilles> oh
Jan 24 13:17:15 <GeneralAntilles> Ha
Jan 24 13:17:18 <GeneralAntilles> Um, I dunno.
Jan 24 13:17:22 <GeneralAntilles> Don't believe so.
Jan 24 13:17:24 <Stskeeps> you probably wouldn't want to
Jan 24 13:17:32 <lcukx41> lol i know sts, thats why
Jan 24 13:17:43 <lcukx41> but i guess some random ones will be funny
Jan 24 13:17:51 <lcukx41> ~furry
Jan 24 13:18:02 <lcukx41> damn, he didnt remember that
Jan 24 13:18:10 <lcukx41> ~bacon
Jan 24 13:18:11 <infobot> it has been said that bacon is a filling substance which will make you even fatter than you already are... Take my advice, bacon is a food for the gods or for underweight models such as that McBeal chick...
Jan 24 13:18:23 <lcukx41> :D
Jan 24 13:18:42 <lcukx41> ~maemo
Jan 24 13:18:43 <infobot> extra, extra, read all about it, maemo is a development platform to create applications for Nokia 770 Internet Tablet and other maemo compliant handheld devices in the future. http://www.maemo.org/
Jan 24 13:20:27 <lcukx41> ~ubuntu
Jan 24 13:20:36 <lcukx41> ~debian
Jan 24 13:20:37 <infobot> http://www.debian.org.  See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents
Jan 24 13:21:16 <lcukx41> ~infobot
Jan 24 13:21:17 <infobot> i heard infobot is me. I love abuse, feed me!, or an interactive bot that can learn all sorts of information (http://www.infobot.org/), or updated sources at http://infobot.sf.net/, or a robot that doesn't know it should only speak when spoken to, or on fire, or awesome.
Jan 24 13:21:47 * lcukx41 stops poking the bot and starts work on an ide
Jan 24 13:22:06 <Stskeeps> what's a good Maemo file manager?
Jan 24 13:22:16 <Stskeeps> (OSS)
Jan 24 13:23:37 <lcukx41> my god the drums of rock band are annoying
Jan 24 13:23:52 <lcukx41> i think i would prefer to listen to the dentist
Jan 24 13:24:06 <des^> lol annoying ín what way?
Jan 24 13:24:25 <GeneralAntilles> lcukx41, don't go to the dentist often, then? <_<
Jan 24 13:24:26 <lcukx41> incessant drumming noise, it grates brain
Jan 24 13:25:04 <des^> isnt that commonly known?
Jan 24 13:25:39 <lcukx41> :) yes i normally dont allow eldest to play drums whilst im nearby but hes been good and helpful this mornin so i let him :)
Jan 24 13:25:56 <lcukx41> its like a frikkin jackhammer though
Jan 24 13:26:14 <des^> old or new kit?
Jan 24 13:26:16 * lcukx41 ensures next house is soundproofed and has a garage for him to do this kind of stuff in
Jan 24 13:26:38 <des^> just get real drums (more fun anyway)
Jan 24 13:26:44 <lcukx41> des, wii drums - rock band te game, i actually would prefer him with real drums
Jan 24 13:27:05 <Jaffa> Stskeeps: Did someone Hildonise Thunar?
Jan 24 13:27:07 <lcukx41> but then he needs the rest of the band with him
Jan 24 13:27:14 <Stskeeps> Jaffa: not sure
Jan 24 13:27:15 <Jaffa> Stskeeps: Is osso-file-manager not OSS?
Jan 24 13:27:18 <Stskeeps> Jaffa: not afaik
Jan 24 13:27:18 <des^> I didnt like the rb1 drumkit
Jan 24 13:27:22 <Stskeeps> differentiation :)
Jan 24 13:27:25 <Jaffa> *cough*
Jan 24 13:27:42 * lcukx41 puts his hand up
Jan 24 13:28:37 <GeneralAntilles> lcukx41, go pick up the guitar.
Jan 24 13:28:51 <lcukx41> he has a guitar for guitar hero 3
Jan 24 13:29:03 <lcukx41> damn frustrating that they are not compatible
Jan 24 13:29:04 <GeneralAntilles> Jaffa, that would only be ironic if every application named osso weren't open source. ;)
Jan 24 13:29:15 <GeneralAntilles> lcukx41, really? They are on the Xbox.
Jan 24 13:29:21 <lcukx41> stupid ass proprietary patented copyrightable fuckwits of lawyers
Jan 24 13:29:54 <Jaffa> GeneralAntilles: indeed
Jan 24 13:29:54 <lcukx41> yeah some are compatible with each other
Jan 24 13:30:09 <BULLE> lcukx41: if they were compatible you wouldnt have to buy a new one, and that would mean less profit!
Jan 24 13:30:14 <lcukx41> and GeneralAntilles telling me the xbox stuff is compatible really helps with a whole library of wii software and stuff :)
Jan 24 13:30:35 <GeneralAntilles> I gotta go in the other room to use the Wii.
Jan 24 13:30:36 <lcukx41> bulle, they arent getting any money from us again because of this
Jan 24 13:30:38 <GeneralAntilles> Too much effort.
Jan 24 13:30:43 <GeneralAntilles> I need to get a monitor with component in.
Jan 24 13:30:44 <lcukx41> i wouldv ended up buying most things for it
Jan 24 13:31:13 <lcukx41> the trumpet addon wouldv been cool
Jan 24 13:31:26 <lcukx41> and the wii triangle
Jan 24 13:33:32 <lcukx41> GeneralAntilles: wii controllers work from the other room :)
Jan 24 13:33:40 <GeneralAntilles> TV's too small.
Jan 24 13:33:46 * lcukx41 plays golf and baseball and stuff from the kitchen
Jan 24 13:34:13 <lcukx41> excuses excuses :P
Jan 24 13:34:47 <Stskeeps> anyone with a 770 around?
Jan 24 13:35:19 <GeneralAntilles> Stskeeps, yes, but I aint testing anything for you.
Jan 24 13:36:05 <Stskeeps> GeneralAntilles: ah, i just need to know what kind of DSP modules exist for it so we can put it on wishlist :P
Jan 24 13:43:06 <Stskeeps> r2d2rogers: ping
Jan 24 13:43:57 <Jaffa> X-Fade: ping
Jan 24 13:46:54 <Jaffa> GeneralAntilles: do you reckon my 2009-02-01 date for starting the referendum is a good 'un? If so, part of the debate on -community should be the language
Jan 24 13:52:46 <Stskeeps> hmm, where was that list of closed source things in Maemo?
Jan 24 13:54:00 <Meizirkki> Wicd and wifi-radar are working in Mer. i wonder why network-manager doesn't...
Jan 24 13:57:11 <Stskeeps> mm, im generating new snapshot for myself atm too, so i'll be able to see
Jan 24 13:58:08 <Meizirkki> Stskeeps: is this the list your are looking for? http://wiki.maemo.org/Why_the_closed_packages
Jan 24 13:58:14 <Stskeeps> ah yes
Jan 24 13:58:19 <Jaffa> Stskeeps: BTW, the second item in Sprints/0.7 says "include titanium, meta, okuda and kobayashi" - why include them if they can be installed from extras(-devel)?
Jan 24 13:59:40 <Stskeeps> Jaffa: they need to be regenerated to work properly in Mer, sadly, due to a different icon theme fallback
Jan 24 13:59:47 <Jaffa> Stskeeps: Ah.
Jan 24 14:01:20 <Stskeeps> i'm really wondering about which strategy to take for the images-on-maemo.org thing
Jan 24 14:01:32 <Stskeeps> as in, which packages to ask for
Jan 24 14:01:58 <Stskeeps> going for the things that are absolutely needed for HW interfacing, or try to grab a little more, and risk legal going into a fit :)
Jan 24 14:02:22 <Jaffa> Start off with the minimum, if the process works grow over time.
Jan 24 14:02:31 <Jaffa> An ongoing relationship is more useful, after all
Jan 24 14:03:02 <Stskeeps> ah, the bigger list was based on the statement of quim: owever, they ask whether it would be possible to have a
Jan 24 14:03:06 <Stskeeps> complete list of closed components you need, so they can look at them in
Jan 24 14:03:07 <Stskeeps> one go and make a decision. This is specially relevant for 3rd parties
Jan 24 14:03:09 <Stskeeps> components.
Jan 24 14:03:13 <Jaffa> True.
Jan 24 14:03:40 <Stskeeps> which could indeed become a big list
Jan 24 14:04:07 <Stskeeps> but also something that really hasn't been seen before in OSS vs big company things ;)
Jan 24 14:04:09 <Jaffa> 3 parts of list: "Must have" (incl. BME etc.); "Would be really good to have" (Flash), "Would be nice to have" (any random app bundled as standard)?
Jan 24 14:06:42 <persia> In the specific case of Flash, it's probably third-party.  Might be better to work with Adobe on that one.
Jan 24 14:07:02 <Stskeeps> yeah
Jan 24 14:07:28 <Stskeeps> persia: basically we're in the progress of an interesting discussion with Nokia about being able to construct firmware images with nokia stuff if they're provided to nokia tablet ownes
Jan 24 14:07:38 <rzr> what about silverlight ?
Jan 24 14:07:40 <Jaffa> persia: fat chance. Nokia have licenced it for use on their tablets; the licence agreement between Nokia & Adobe won't say who writes the OS
Jan 24 14:07:44 <Jaffa> rzr: what about it?
Jan 24 14:07:57 <rzr> is it supported on omap ?
Jan 24 14:08:04 <persia> Stskeeps, redistribution of Nokia binaries, or request for source for those components?
Jan 24 14:08:10 <Jaffa> Redistribution
Jan 24 14:08:15 <Stskeeps> persia: distribution of nokia binaries
Jan 24 14:08:34 <Stskeeps> source, they did 80% and is opening up for some of them, no use barking up a tree and wait for ages :P
Jan 24 14:08:41 <persia> Jaffa, The point is more that Nokia is probably limited in what they can do, and may not have direct interest in chasing Adobe.
Jan 24 14:09:21 <Jaffa> persia: the point is that if the images are built on Nokia servers and distributed behind the same EULA, it should fall under the same licence they already have
Jan 24 14:09:50 <persia> Stskeeps, Oh, that's interesting.  I might still expect issues with third-party stuff, and some of the branding stuff, but HW enablement, and some of the apps might be suitable.
Jan 24 14:09:59 <Stskeeps> persia: yeah, obviously
Jan 24 14:10:07 <Stskeeps> still, quite interesting chance
Jan 24 14:10:11 <Jaffa> So it's very much a Nokia thing to ask them if a Mer image build on Nokia servers can include arbitrary binary blobs which Nokia have licenced.
Jan 24 14:10:47 <persia> Jaffa, Yes, but distribution licenses are often distributor-restricted, and third-party licenses sometimes include a royalty payment, which gets extra complicated.
Jan 24 14:11:46 <persia> Jaffa, Well, kinda.  Depends on positioning.  If Nokia says these are Nokia-distributed Mer images, sure.  If Nokia says that Nokia provides build infrastructure to Mer, and Mer distributes binaries, that's something else.
Jan 24 14:12:10 <tekonivel> Hai. I've had N800 browser crashing on me a lot, so i frustrated and haven't used my n800 for a while. I wonder if it's better and faster nowadays?
Jan 24 14:12:21 <persia> Personally, if I were in Nokia legal, I'd probably take the latter option, to try to avoid liability for that not under direct control.
Jan 24 14:12:26 <Jaffa> persia: The discussion is already at the point of building such images on Nokia machines, and distributed through the same download site as other tablet firmware images
Jan 24 14:12:39 <persia> Excellent!
Jan 24 14:12:58 <GeneralAntilles> tekonivel, that depends on how long "a while" is.
Jan 24 14:13:06 <Jaffa> In other words, Nokia do not give non-EULA restricted binaries out, they are combined and then shipped to people who can supply a tablet MAC
Jan 24 14:13:46 <tekonivel> Maybe 6 months or so
Jan 24 14:13:55 <GeneralAntilles> Then yes, things have gotten a lot better.
Jan 24 14:14:33 <tekonivel> The browser was horribly slow and kept getting to the state of /not responding/ all the time
Jan 24 14:15:00 <persia> Jaffa, Ah, in that case, you may be right about Flash.  I just tend to be conservative about these things.
Jan 24 14:15:23 <tekonivel> Hmm, maybe i should postpone replacing it with an Eee and update the n800 to see for myself
Jan 24 14:15:35 <Jaffa> Indeed, very sensible - except when it's known that it might be possible ;-)
Jan 24 14:16:18 <tekonivel> Well they're quite different kinds of devices. Maybe i better give n800 an another chance
Jan 24 14:19:17 <tank-man> n800 has better speakers than a eeepc
Jan 24 14:19:22 <tank-man> :)
Jan 24 14:19:55 <tekonivel> :) i'm using headphones of course
Jan 24 14:20:47 <Stskeeps> simpliwrite is the HWR?
Jan 24 14:21:43 <tekonivel> Surfing and notetaking is what i need it for. Maybe games too though i have an n95 for that and i like using a touchscreen for drawing
Jan 24 14:22:06 <GeneralAntilles> tekonivel, wait out the RX-51 if you're looking to upgrade.
Jan 24 14:22:21 <Stskeeps> Jaffa, GeneralAntilles: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Stskeeps/Sandbox/Nokia_Wishlist , initial layout
Jan 24 14:22:28 <tekonivel> What's that, i haven't heard of it
Jan 24 14:22:53 <GeneralAntilles> http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS9093153240.html
Jan 24 14:23:08 <GeneralAntilles> Stskeeps, important things shouldn't be hard to read.
Jan 24 14:23:08 * Jaffa adds some free sound-effects links to the sounds task
Jan 24 14:23:31 <Stskeeps> true true
Jan 24 14:23:35 <tekonivel> And i.ve already been waiting for asus eee 901. I'm aiming for xo-1
Jan 24 14:25:18 <GeneralAntilles> Stskeeps, make the proper names easier to read
Jan 24 14:25:52 <GeneralAntilles> Remember, this is for legal, not a bunch of engineers.
Jan 24 14:26:10 <Stskeeps> GeneralAntilles: that's what the middle column s for :P
Jan 24 14:26:17 <TeQuiL> hi guys, I need some help!!!!
Jan 24 14:26:36 <TeQuiL> Trying flash my internet tablet
Jan 24 14:26:43 <TeQuiL> (on ubuntu)
Jan 24 14:27:04 <TeQuiL> and it says not suitable USB, waiting
Jan 24 14:27:10 <TeQuiL> what should I do????
Jan 24 14:27:26 <TeQuiL> (the tablet is closed and connected)
Jan 24 14:27:58 <tank-man> go to the next step
Jan 24 14:28:09 <tank-man> in the instructions
Jan 24 14:29:31 <woglinde> did you run the flasher as root?
Jan 24 14:30:00 <GeneralAntilles> That'll complain about not being able to claim the USB interface.
Jan 24 14:30:09 <tekonivel> Oh that rx51 looks quite interesting but i'm kind of tired of nokia products (yes, even though i'm a finn myself). I never saw almost any interoperability between n800 and my nokia phone. Tcp/ip over bluetooth doesn't convince me much, i want more! Like proper photo browsing over bluetooth, shared contactbook and calendar, at least
Jan 24 14:30:32 <GeneralAntilles> Well, RX-51 is compatible with the PC Suite
Jan 24 14:30:41 <GeneralAntilles> So expect better Symbian interactivity.
Jan 24 14:31:10 <TeQuiL> ok, now how should I understand if it is done correclty????
Jan 24 14:31:43 <Jaffa> GeneralAntilles: PC Suite compatibility? Where'd we learn that?
Jan 24 14:32:09 <Stskeeps> Jaffa: ke-recv
Jan 24 14:32:16 <Stskeeps> there'll even be tethering
Jan 24 14:33:02 <tekonivel> Waiting, waiting, waiting... I want gadgets, not just potential gadgets ;) Besides i'm not sure if i like symbian or not. Maddatory signing of apps? Come on, you must be joking!
Jan 24 14:33:09 <GeneralAntilles> Jaffa, there's a bunch of stuff in the pre-alpha
Jan 24 14:33:22 <GeneralAntilles> tekonivel, well, you asked about it.
Jan 24 14:33:40 <GeneralAntilles> tekonivel, if you don't like Symbian, then Symbian compatibility isn't as issue.
Jan 24 14:33:46 <TeQuiL> a green bar loaded ( after that I left the swap button), at the terminal sasy "Finishing flashing... done". Now am I done????
Jan 24 14:33:46 <tekonivel> I'll start by updating the n800
Jan 24 14:33:57 <GeneralAntilles> TeQuiL, yes.
Jan 24 14:34:13 <TeQuiL> now it is stacked on the primary boot screen with the nokia logo and the USB sign top right....next?
Jan 24 14:34:38 <tekonivel> GeneralAntilles: hmm you're right, i admit
Jan 24 14:35:07 <lopz> hola
Jan 24 14:35:08 <GeneralAntilles> Mandatory signing is gone, anyway.
Jan 24 14:36:58 <tekonivel> But interoperability should be achievable without being particular symbian combaticility, with open standards (obx, opensync, vcal or whatever)
Jan 24 14:37:25 <GeneralAntilles> tekonivel, http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Maemo_roadmap/Fremantle
Jan 24 14:37:29 <GeneralAntilles> May or may not be interesting to you.
Jan 24 14:38:11 <tekonivel> (sorry for clumsy language, i'm mobile on n95+mirggi)
Jan 24 14:39:20 <tekonivel> GeneralAntilles: thanks i'll check it out. Great to see some future plans
Jan 24 14:39:33 <TeQuiL> anyone plz amswer me
Jan 24 14:40:21 <Jaffa> TeQuiL: has the N800 rebooted?
Jan 24 14:41:06 <tekonivel> I should catch up on maemo and n800 news and do some updating of both me and my device
Jan 24 14:42:10 <GeneralAntilles> tekonivel, more RX-51 stuff: http://maemo.org/community/council/community_highlights_for_december_2008-part_i-january_2009-part_ii/
Jan 24 14:42:31 <TeQuiL> NO it is stacked on the primary boot screen with the nokia logo and the USB sign top right....next?
Jan 24 14:42:45 <TeQuiL> but on terminal it says "Finishing flashing... done"
Jan 24 14:42:57 <TeQuiL> should I wait more?
Jan 24 14:43:04 <GeneralAntilles> It's done.
Jan 24 14:43:07 <GeneralAntilles> You forgot to add -R. ;)
Jan 24 14:43:12 <GeneralAntilles> Unplug USB and restart it.
Jan 24 14:43:22 <trenka> you can say flasher -R now
Jan 24 14:43:27 <trenka> it does not matter
Jan 24 14:43:43 <trenka> nolo is in the command handling loop
Jan 24 14:44:02 <tekonivel> New and impressive Maemo 5 will run on n800 or only that rx51?
Jan 24 14:44:05 <Jaffa> What do people think the best mer screenshots are? I'll add a gallery to the Mer/About page
Jan 24 14:44:26 <Jaffa> tekonivel: Probably officially only RX-51. Whatever can be backported to run on the older hardware will be, probably as part of Mer.
Jan 24 14:44:49 <Stskeeps> Jaffa: Meiz has a pretty good collection
Jan 24 14:45:05 * Jaffa also has an idea to (at some point) see if a version of clutter can be compiled which will just skip all the animations. This might allow people to run Clutter-using Fremantle apps on lower end hardware
Jan 24 14:45:18 <Stskeeps> http://picasaweb.google.com/meizirkki/MerOnN810
Jan 24 14:45:27 <Jaffa> Stskeeps: ta
Jan 24 14:45:46 <tekonivel> In theory i love my n800 and maemo but i kind of got frustrated with it... But all this looks good (on paper at least)
Jan 24 14:45:53 <VDVsx> Jaffa, a index with all Mer wiki pages will be useful too
Jan 24 14:47:30 <TeQuiL> thanks a lot.....
Jan 24 14:49:41 <towo> Mhhm. Now this is problematic. Is there an approximate release date for the RX-51 on the horizon?
Jan 24 14:50:04 <Jaffa> towo: Summer 2009, probably.
Jan 24 14:50:21 <towo> Mhm. Since from what I infer, it's going to have UMTS?
Jan 24 14:50:34 <towo> Or at least what people are pointing to..
Jan 24 14:50:45 <Jaffa> towo: HSPA, in fact
Jan 24 14:51:21 <des^> damn the stuff looks nice
Jan 24 14:52:01 <towo> Jaffa: Mhhm... Then I have to think whether my plan of getting a UMTS flatrate and an E51 as an access point might not be postponed, and I'll just get the new NIT...
Jan 24 14:52:28 <t_s_o> it could be a while before a new tablet shows up...
Jan 24 14:53:31 <towo> Yes, that's the main problem there.
Jan 24 14:53:48 <towo> Is 190€ worth waiting for a couple of months. ;)
Jan 24 14:56:55 <Jake42-2> what is RX-51???? any photos?
Jan 24 14:57:02 <Jaffa> No
Jan 24 14:57:35 <tekonivel> Ok thanks everyone for the chat, i think i'll head home and update my NIT straight away
Jan 24 14:57:45 <GeneralAntilles> Jake42-2, there are two URLs in scrollback with basic hardware information.
Jan 24 14:57:46 <tekonivel> Cya!
Jan 24 14:59:18 <Jake42-2> GeneralAntilles,  it is OS
Jan 24 14:59:22 <Jake42-2> on N810?
Jan 24 15:01:41 <GeneralAntilles> Jake42-2, http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS9093153240.html http://maemo.org/community/council/community_highlights_for_december_2008-part_i-january_2009-part_ii/
Jan 24 15:02:20 <Jake42-2> yes I saw themm
Jan 24 15:02:49 <Jake42-2> I am asking about the RX-51
Jan 24 15:02:56 <Jake42-2> I didn't understand what is this....
Jan 24 15:03:10 <GeneralAntilles> The first Linux Devices URL should tell you.
Jan 24 15:03:13 * RST38h has seen wonderful things today
Jan 24 15:03:33 <RST38h> Almost like a visit to the freak show, but better because it was with gadgets!
Jan 24 15:04:25 <Jake42-2> that's the nokia N810 wimax....
Jan 24 15:04:27 <Jake42-2> nothing more...
Jan 24 15:05:17 <GeneralAntilles> Jake42-2, sorry, no.
Jan 24 15:05:34 * RST38h has seen WiBrain for sale, as well as Everun, both Samsung UMPCs, pretty much the whole lineup of netbooks (EEE to Lenovo and Toshiba), and a bunch of weird Chinese Nokia clones
Jan 24 15:05:49 <GeneralAntilles> The N810 WiMAX is RX-48
Jan 24 15:06:05 <RST38h> Almost bought the WiBrain. It is such a cute metal brick...
Jan 24 15:06:10 <Jake42-2> so the RX-51 is just a new model...
Jan 24 15:06:19 <Jake42-2> (which we don't know specs)
Jan 24 15:06:34 <GeneralAntilles> Jake42-2, you would if you read either of the URLs I linked you to. :)
Jan 24 15:06:53 <Jake42-2> ok, fix, we don't know much :)
Jan 24 15:07:12 <GeneralAntilles> We know a lot, actually.
Jan 24 15:07:14 <GeneralAntilles> If you'd read.
Jan 24 15:07:44 <RST38h> General: Starting from the wrong end
Jan 24 15:07:46 <Jaffa> Much more than we've ever known about a future Maemo device
Jan 24 15:08:18 <Stslaptop> GeneralAntilles: by the time Fremantle comes out, what would users expect the "fremantle for n8x0" to contain?
Jan 24 15:08:23 <RST38h> General: First question directed at the newbie should always be "Can you read and understand written English?" and the second "Have you ever used Google?"
Jan 24 15:08:29 <GeneralAntilles> Stslaptop, magic beans?
Jan 24 15:08:30 <Stslaptop> because i'm wondering how much we really need of Nokia's stuff :P
Jan 24 15:09:18 <GeneralAntilles> As much as possible
Jan 24 15:09:34 <GeneralAntilles> Users expect as close of an experience as is technically feasible.
Jan 24 15:09:38 <Jaffa> Stslaptop: difficult to say before we know what Fremantle on RX-51 will be like. But, as GeneralAntilles says "as much as possible" :)
Jan 24 15:10:24 <Stslaptop> think they'd be pissed if we ask if we can distribute anything Nokia? :P
Jan 24 15:10:28 <GeneralAntilles> Stslaptop, if you run off into left field, you're just another Mamona.
Jan 24 15:10:58 <GeneralAntilles> I don't think they'd be "pissed" but it may not be a productive request.
Jan 24 15:11:01 <Stslaptop> *nod*
Jan 24 15:11:09 <GeneralAntilles> Since it isn't necessarily easy to fullfil.
Jan 24 15:11:59 <Stslaptop> GeneralAntilles: i am thinking a tactic of getting the HW things done soon enough and then evaluating which pieces of Fremantle we'd like to take in would be a benefit
Jan 24 15:12:31 <Jaffa> Sounds sensible to me.
Jan 24 15:13:28 <Jaffa> Get a bare environment working (sound, BT, wifi, battery, power mgmt, USB etc.) and then build up. Can something like Midori (or Tear) use the Netscape plugin API? i.e. if you got Flash, could we make it work in a useful browser?
Jan 24 15:13:45 <Stslaptop> Jaffa: i've had flash working in epiphany on deblet..
Jan 24 15:13:51 <Jaffa> Cool
Jan 24 15:14:05 <Jaffa> Looks like ns-plugin is something WebKit itself supports, too
Jan 24 15:15:54 <Jake42-2> On N810 may I format the external card???
Jan 24 15:17:37 <Jaffa> Yes. File Manager menu somewhere
Jan 24 15:17:48 <Jaffa> It's fairly obvious
Jan 24 15:17:54 <Jaffa> (ISTR)
Jan 24 15:18:20 <des^> options -> format
Jan 24 15:23:27 <Stskeeps> Meizirkki: bored?
Jan 24 15:23:41 <Meizirkki> yep
Jan 24 15:23:57 <Stskeeps> Meizirkki: see if you can get the HIM methods from maemo4 to work on Mer
Jan 24 15:24:20 <Meizirkki> copying over from maemo?
Jan 24 15:24:26 <Stskeeps> well, packages is fine
Jan 24 15:24:34 <Meizirkki> ok
Jan 24 15:24:51 <Stskeeps> hildon-input-method-configurator
Jan 24 15:25:01 <Stskeeps> and such
Jan 24 15:25:16 <Meizirkki> okay
Jan 24 15:25:41 <Stskeeps> hildon-input-method-plugins-western
Jan 24 15:25:42 <Stskeeps> etc :P
Jan 24 15:26:12 <Jake42-2> kserei kaneis ti einai to rootfs???
Jan 24 15:26:30 <aquatix> *blink*
Jan 24 15:26:38 <qwerty12> *cough*
Jan 24 15:26:51 * aquatix understood `rootfs'
Jan 24 15:27:24 <Jake42-2> I saw it on http://linux.onarm.com/index.php/N8x0
Jan 24 15:28:02 <Jake42-2> but I was wondering
Jan 24 15:28:10 <Jake42-2> if I should install it...
Jan 24 15:28:13 <aquatix> Jake42-2: i need a translation though ;)
Jan 24 15:28:19 <aquatix> ah
Jan 24 15:28:59 <Jake42-2> does it worth installing it?
Jan 24 15:29:28 <aquatix> depends on what you want to do
Jan 24 15:29:38 <aquatix> but quite some people like to have it
Jan 24 15:30:40 <Jake42-2> I can I do with it?
Jan 24 15:30:45 <lcuk> jaffa, the animation part of clutter isnt the problem its getting the opengl underpinnings in place
Jan 24 15:31:10 <lcuk> if the animation section has been correctly coded it wouldnt matter whether it runs at 1 fps or 60
Jan 24 15:32:02 <Jake42-2> whatever... I think I don't need it....
Jan 24 15:32:33 <Jake42-2> Something crucial... I formated the external card in ext3
Jan 24 15:32:54 <Jake42-2> Should I format and the internal memory?
Jan 24 15:33:01 <Jake42-2> (it is in fat16)
Jan 24 15:35:57 <lcuk> jaffa, if you are serious about trying, you could look for an opengl compliant api capable of running in cpu so that clutter can happily sit ontop of it.  you could then optimize by using a lower resolution graphics mode (something like the tearfree Xv RGB mode ssvb has incorporated which should autoscale like liqbase).  for the opengl baseline theres TinyGL which is geared to allowing a minimal subset of OGL.  its also compilable an
Jan 24 15:35:57 <lcuk> d runnable directly on tablet ( tested by me a couple of weeks ago :) )
Jan 24 15:40:41 <Jake42-2> lcuk,  the guy that had installed mer..... It was dual boot (maemo, and mer) or only mer?????
Jan 24 15:41:02 <Meizirkki> dualboot
Jan 24 15:41:21 <Meizirkki> oh, sorry. (if i'm not correct)
Jan 24 15:41:40 <Meizirkki> i have dualboot...
Jan 24 15:41:59 <Jake42-2> you did this from the original site
Jan 24 15:42:02 <Jake42-2> instructions?
Jan 24 15:42:06 <lcuk> Jake42-2, i dunno, i havent installed mer
Jan 24 15:42:08 <Jake42-2> (or by yourself?)
Jan 24 15:42:48 <Meizirkki> Jake42-2 i'm using deblet-bootmenu
Jan 24 15:44:08 <Jake42-2> Meizirkki, maybe devlet????
Jan 24 15:44:18 <Meizirkki> ??
Jan 24 15:44:21 <Meizirkki> deblet
Jan 24 15:44:35 <Meizirkki> ~deblet
Jan 24 15:44:36 <infobot> i guess deblet is http://trac.tspre.org/projects/deblet
Jan 24 15:45:28 <Jake42-2> thanx
Jan 24 15:45:33 <Jake42-2> it is like grub?
Jan 24 15:46:25 <Meizirkki> it's initfs bootmenu
Jan 24 15:46:32 <VDVsx> Jake42-2, instructions to install Mer -> http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Releases/0.6
Jan 24 15:46:42 <thopiekar> hi
Jan 24 15:46:53 <Jake42-2> VDVsx,  I am reading them right now :)
Jan 24 15:47:12 <Jake42-2> and May I have BOTH maemo , mer
Jan 24 15:47:22 <thopiekar> i want to compile a sdl-game on sb1 but i need gl.h (by mesa).. how can i get it?
Jan 24 15:47:27 <Jake42-2> and within maemo, easy debian?
Jan 24 15:47:27 <thopiekar> install mesa?
Jan 24 15:47:32 <Jake42-2> (I know this is too much)
Jan 24 15:47:33 <VDVsx> Jake42-2, I'm doing it right now :)
Jan 24 15:47:53 <Jake42-2> (just talkign about the "power" of N8x0)
Jan 24 15:48:52 <Jake42-2> thopiekar, when I was compiling graphics, it was on a package of opengl
Jan 24 15:49:30 <thopiekar> but maemo4 has no opengl package...
Jan 24 15:51:08 <thopiekar> isn't it possible to search through all repos for a file
Jan 24 15:51:09 <thopiekar> ??
Jan 24 15:51:16 <Stskeeps> packrat maybe
Jan 24 15:51:19 <Stskeeps> i dunno
Jan 24 15:51:57 <Jake42-2> don't remember...
Jan 24 15:52:41 <thopiekar> Jake42-2: I tried apt-get search but no results
Jan 24 15:53:15 <Jake42-2> thopiekar, unfortunatelly I use this one 2 years ago, on windows (now I quitted using them)
Jan 24 15:53:20 <Jake42-2> honestly I don't remember
Jan 24 15:53:38 <Jake42-2> try searching on google somthing like visual studio 2005+opengl
Jan 24 15:53:58 <Jake42-2> and there would be a package ( rar) with some graphics lib
Jan 24 15:54:08 <Jake42-2> that's all I remember, hope helped
Jan 24 15:56:12 <thopiekar> Jake42-2: thanks, but is it really possible to compile fine by copying .headers? haven't they requirements even dependences??
Jan 24 15:57:19 <Jake42-2> in windows no...
Jan 24 15:57:35 <Jake42-2> (but the visual studio 2005 was about 5GB installation)
Jan 24 15:58:57 <qwerty12> Stskeeps, do you have maemo-launcher in Mer?
Jan 24 15:59:02 <Stskeeps> qwerty12: yes
Jan 24 15:59:16 <qwerty12> Cool, want me to package droid fonts? :-)
Jan 24 15:59:40 <Stskeeps> go ahead
Jan 24 15:59:49 <dob> Stskeeps: have you seen this? http://www.boingboing.net/2007/11/16/droid-sans-mono-a-sw.html#comment-83140
Jan 24 16:00:24 <Stskeeps> dob: 2007, sec
Jan 24 16:00:45 <Stskeeps> wikipedia: When originally released, the droid font was accompanied by an apache license, but the EULA field in the font header stated the standard, closed, Ascender Eula, this was fixed[3] on December 9th, 2008 to reflect the proper apache license which most of Android uses for its release.
Jan 24 16:01:17 <dob> Stskeeps: oh, ok, I just found that page on top in google
Jan 24 16:01:21 <thopiekar> Is it possible to "underclock" a process (scratchbox1) to see how much time would it take to compile a sourcepackage on the device??^^
Jan 24 16:01:26 <dob> never heard of droid sans
Jan 24 16:01:43 <Stskeeps> thopiekar: 50x :P
Jan 24 16:02:00 <Stskeeps> or even 100x
Jan 24 16:02:32 <thopiekar> Stskeeps: hehe
Jan 24 16:04:18 <thopiekar> the secound reason why i'm asking that is because sb1 is tanking that moment tooo much CPU-speed for me^^
Jan 24 16:05:12 <Stskeeps> so it goes
Jan 24 16:07:05 <thopiekar> hmm
Jan 24 16:07:18 <Jaffa> qwerty12/Stskeeps: I think having the droid fonts forming the basis of the theme would be nice :)
Jan 24 16:07:51 <Stskeeps> hehe, perhaps
Jan 24 16:08:14 <Jaffa> Slightly smarter than Bitstream Vera/Deja Vu
Jan 24 16:08:18 <thopiekar> with droid-font you mean these from android right?
Jan 24 16:08:32 <qwerty12> Jaffa, yeah, I'm liking the sound of that :)
Jan 24 16:08:35 <Jaffa> thopiekar: they are used in Android, yes - but they're Apache licenced and quite nice fonts
Jan 24 16:09:35 * qwerty12 is thankful for a ttf-droid package that is dfsg compliant 
Jan 24 16:09:53 <thopiekar> hmm but I think Nokia would never use them in their releases, because they have own one
Jan 24 16:10:01 <Jaffa> Correct.
Jan 24 16:10:04 * Jaffa is talking about for Mer
Jan 24 16:10:10 <qwerty12> It was never suggested that Nokia should use them.
Jan 24 16:12:12 <LinuxHack3r> sisto: Alright...this is seriously starting to bug me. Shipped through UPS, and it's like 1.5 hours from my house. It shipped from point A to point B 10 hours ago...and it's only about an hour drive. It still haven't hit point B yet. I may not get it today..I'll have to wait untill Monday...which is the estimated ship time.
Jan 24 16:12:41 <sisto> LinuxHack3r: haha
Jan 24 16:12:47 <Stslaptop> LinuxHack3r: i'm sure it'll take a trip around africa.
Jan 24 16:13:04 <LinuxHack3r> sisto: Yeah.
Jan 24 16:13:35 <LinuxHack3r> Stslaptop: Well...it better not...if I want ubuntu on it...I'll install it myself. Shuttleworth himself doesn't actually have to install it.
Jan 24 16:13:43 <sisto> LinuxHack3r: i know that feeling
Jan 24 16:14:14 <Stslaptop> you're getting tablet for ubuntu only sake? heh :P
Jan 24 16:14:15 <sisto> LinuxHack3r: the wait
Jan 24 16:14:38 <LinuxHack3r> sisto: UPS is usually pretty fast. I'll never use fedex again...one time they kept showing me the "on truck for delivery" message, for 3 days. Everyday...at about 5PM, it's show "exception. Delivery delayed untill next day.'
Jan 24 16:15:24 <qwerty12> Stslaptop, is defoma used?
Jan 24 16:15:56 <Stskeeps> qwerty12: i'm not even sure what it is
Jan 24 16:16:08 <Jaffa> qwerty12: don't think so
Jan 24 16:16:18 <qwerty12> Jaffa, thanks.
Jan 24 16:16:46 <RST38h> moo, qwerty, what is new and exciting?
Jan 24 16:17:19 <qwerty12> hey RST38h, I'm packaging Droid Sans fonts for Mer. Dunno if that can be called exciting :)
Jan 24 16:18:29 <Jaffa> qwerty12: Pretty exciting if you ask me.
Jan 24 16:18:36 <Jaffa> qwerty12: actually, you could stick the package in extras, too
Jan 24 16:18:59 <qwerty12> Jaffa, sure, I will do :)
Jan 24 16:19:31 <qwerty12> Though I may replace the rules file, I hate cdbs with a passion...
Jan 24 16:19:33 <RST38h> qwerty: Sounds like there is a problem with them though
Jan 24 16:19:47 <RST38h> qwerty: ...if you have more than 5 NITs of course :)
Jan 24 16:20:14 <Jaffa> There's no problem. They're Apache licenced.
Jan 24 16:20:14 <qwerty12> RST38h, hehe :)
Jan 24 16:20:46 <qwerty12> RST38h, package is dfsg compliant (took from Ubuntu's universe) so I place all my hopes into that :)
Jan 24 16:20:59 <LinuxHack3r> Stslaptop: I'm not going to put ubuntu on it...but I got the n810 because it's cool.
Jan 24 16:21:11 * persia points at http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/revu1-incoming/ttf-droid-0901082345/ttf-droid_1.00~b112+dfsg-0ubuntu1.dsc which is waiting in Ubuntu NEW
Jan 24 16:21:28 <persia> Ought to recompile fine for Mer
Jan 24 16:21:41 <Stskeeps> ah
Jan 24 16:21:45 * Stskeeps wonders why qwerty12 is packaging it then
Jan 24 16:21:52 <qwerty12> persia, I'm working on ttf-droid-1.00~b112+dfsg. Maemo needs some special touches.
Jan 24 16:22:02 <qwerty12> Ah well, if it's not needed in Mer, I can send to extras.
Jan 24 16:22:05 <Stskeeps> yeah
Jan 24 16:22:14 <Stskeeps> since ttf-droid is coming up
Jan 24 16:22:25 <Stskeeps> just mark it 100% and point to that it is coming up in queue
Jan 24 16:22:48 <Jaffa> qwerty12: I suppose it is something which should be in "user/graphics"
Jan 24 16:23:29 <qwerty12> Jaffa, yes, thanks, I forgot about the new categories >.<. I was gonna put it in user/x11...
Jan 24 16:24:32 <Jaffa> qwerty12: I went and checked in http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Package_categories :-)
Jan 24 16:24:36 <Stslaptop> qwerty12: they're in repo now it looks like
Jan 24 16:25:15 <qwerty12> Jaffa, yeah, I usually follow that table, I don't think it came to mind this time because I was focusing on Mer initially :)
Jan 24 16:26:55 <qwerty12> Although I get the feeling that the autobuilder is stuck...
Jan 24 16:27:01 <qwerty12> For diablo anyway
Jan 24 16:37:57 <Meizirkki> qwerty: andvanced-power won't show up... error in line 9 in /usr/lib/hildon-desktop/advanced-power.py: "from gnome import gconf" returns "ImportError: cannot import name gconf"
Jan 24 16:38:33 <qwerty12> python2.5-gnome2 installed?
Jan 24 16:38:49 <Meizirkki> dunno
Jan 24 16:38:58 <Meizirkki> all it's depends are
Jan 24 16:40:24 <Meizirkki> qwerty12: it is installed...
Jan 24 16:40:38 <qwerty12> Then it's a advanced-power problem
Jan 24 16:40:50 <Meizirkki> yep
Jan 24 16:41:19 <Meizirkki> oh, sorry, this is in MEr
Jan 24 16:41:35 <Meizirkki> forgot to mention..
Jan 24 16:46:45 * RST38h watches official Nokia software completely forgotten, as everybody discusses MeR =)
Jan 24 16:47:32 <aquatix> Nokia? that's that phone manufacturer right?
Jan 24 16:47:37 <GeneralAntilles> RST38h, isn't much Nokia software to discuss at the moment. :(
Jan 24 16:50:13 <RST38h> General: Yep, exactly =(
Jan 24 16:54:13 <lcuk> theres plenty, mer uses much of the core fremantle released stuff doesnt it?
Jan 24 16:56:24 <GeneralAntilles> lcuk, exactly. That's all been sucked up by Mer. ;)
Jan 24 16:57:19 <GeneralAntilles> RST38h, gonna compile your stuff for Mer?
Jan 24 16:57:36 <lcuk> the community is getting behind this project because the many eyes principle allows us to iron out lots of problems prior to release
Jan 24 17:02:27 <qwerty12> Jaffa, because the diablo-extras-builder is brain dead, here's the droid sans fonts packaged for Maemo: http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/ttf-droid_1.00~b112+dfsg-0ubuntu1maemo1_all.deb . Just install and you should be able to choose the font in most apps without having to restart. (I could see, choose and type with the droid family of fonts fine in the osso-notes application without having to restart)
Jan 24 17:06:57 <RST38h> General: Only if I am going to use Mer
Jan 24 17:07:29 * lcuk will compile for gcc4 soon
Jan 24 17:08:47 <RST38h> Anyone willing to show me his /etc/NetworkManager/nm-system-settings.conf ?
Jan 24 17:08:54 <RST38h> Looks like mine has got screwed up
Jan 24 17:09:24 <qwerty12> Not present on my system but I'm using a older NM anyway
Jan 24 17:09:28 <lcuk> cat: can't open '/etc/NetworkManager/nm-system-settings.conf': No such file or directory
Jan 24 17:10:39 <lcuk> i guess mine is screwed up as well \@/
Jan 24 17:10:45 * lcuk reflashes to fix it
Jan 24 17:10:50 <Meizirkki> nm-applet isn't working atm
Jan 24 17:11:32 <RST38h> I am asking for a desktop Ubuntu version
Jan 24 17:11:41 <RST38h> The tablet isn't supposed to have it anyway
Jan 24 17:12:02 <Meizirkki> i have it...
Jan 24 17:12:10 * Meizirkki pastebins
Jan 24 17:13:21 <lcuk> RST38h, well why didnt you say that
Jan 24 17:13:40 <RST38h> lcuk: Sorry, kinda assumed it...
Jan 24 17:13:50 <persia> RST38h, In general, you can use `aptitude download ${package}` and `dpkg -x ${package}.deb` to get the original shipped files.
Jan 24 17:13:55 <lcuk> sorry, am in the wrong chan :P
Jan 24 17:14:41 <RST38h> persia: you mean, just get the networkmanager?
Jan 24 17:15:05 <Meizirkki> http://pastebin.com/m3d813313
Jan 24 17:15:18 <Meizirkki> RST38h: ^
Jan 24 17:15:20 <lcuk> with mer, totally on device can i do all the rebuilding i need, for instance can i use it like a regular linux system and setup to be able to compile the kernel or the omapfb drivers and stuff
Jan 24 17:15:48 <RST38h> Meiz: Thanks!
Jan 24 17:16:06 <lcuk> cos i might be interested in checking and validating the rotated xv pathway :)
Jan 24 17:16:10 <persia> RST38h, Yes, but pastebin is faster when it's a common package and someone has it :)
Jan 24 17:16:23 <RST38h> Meiz: Weird, looks exactly like mine except yours is disabled
Jan 24 17:16:40 <RST38h> persia: the problem is that it appears to be borked in the latest Ubuntu
Jan 24 17:16:51 <RST38h> I partially fixed it but it lost my eth0
Jan 24 17:17:15 <qwerty12> Meh, NM is borked. When I upgraded to intrepid, I kept the old nm from hardy
Jan 24 17:17:27 <persia> RST38h, Oh.  That makes it harder :(
Jan 24 17:17:48 <Meizirkki> qwerty12: try wicd :P
Jan 24 17:18:50 <qwerty12> Meizirkki, hehe, my wireless setup on this machine is funky at best. Thanks but I can't risk me wireless messing up :)
Jan 24 17:20:19 <dob> how far does the usb networking boot recue mode thingamajig go in the booting process?
Jan 24 17:22:31 <RST38h> qwerty: fixable though
Jan 24 17:27:04 <Stslaptop> dob: all the time
Jan 24 17:27:17 <Stslaptop> as in, after rescue menu
Jan 24 17:28:21 <AStorm> hmmm
Jan 24 17:28:33 <AStorm> it seems we already have Fiasco on NITs
Jan 24 17:28:35 <Stslaptop> lcuk: yes, apt-get install build-essential :P kernel maybe not
Jan 24 17:28:45 <Stslaptop> AStorm: hm?
Jan 24 17:28:47 <AStorm> why didn't anyone think of running L4Linux on it?
Jan 24 17:28:50 <AStorm> ;P
Jan 24 17:28:59 <Stslaptop> AStorm: because noone really needed it..
Jan 24 17:29:05 <Stslaptop> fiasco though? there's a newer kernel
Jan 24 17:29:09 <AStorm> yeah, see, it's virtualization...
Jan 24 17:29:21 <Stslaptop> pistachio i played quite a while with
Jan 24 17:29:23 <woglinde> AStorm to much overhead
Jan 24 17:29:32 <AStorm> woglinde: not all *that* much
Jan 24 17:29:34 <woglinde> astrom and we dont need to hide the gsm-modem
Jan 24 17:29:41 <AStorm> yes, you don't
Jan 24 17:29:53 <AStorm> we have to virtualize FB, Touchscreen and sound
Jan 24 17:30:21 <AStorm> this *won't* be easy w/o virtualization of some kind I guess
Jan 24 17:30:38 <AStorm> can have a stupid hack framebuffer driver... hmm
Jan 24 17:31:02 <AStorm> touchscreen too I guess
Jan 24 17:31:17 <AStorm> and a bunch of stupid ifs in the kernel
Jan 24 17:31:24 <AStorm> but I'd prefer to do it w/o hacking kernel
Jan 24 17:31:54 <dob> Stslaptop: I mean, does it mount the root fs, does it run the initscripts etc.? It seems it doesn't do much else than load the kernel?
Jan 24 17:32:32 <Stskeeps> dob: oh, you're speaking of the initfs usb networking mode
Jan 24 17:32:48 <Stskeeps> i think qwerty12 knows better than me :P
Jan 24 17:32:50 <dob> Stskeeps: I guess so :) the bootmenu one
Jan 24 17:33:12 <Stslaptop> qwerty12: did you ever end up recompiling python-gnome2 btw?
Jan 24 17:33:26 <qwerty12> Stslaptop, nope, never seen a reason to.
Jan 24 17:33:50 <Stslaptop> qwerty12: oh, you fixed the thing in advanced-power instead?
Jan 24 17:33:58 <Stslaptop> with python-gnome vs python-gnome2
Jan 24 17:34:08 <qwerty12> Looks like I will be replacing that rules file. Fuck CDBS.
Jan 24 17:34:13 <qwerty12> Stskeeps, yep
Jan 24 17:34:16 <Stslaptop> alright
Jan 24 17:34:27 <AStorm> :>
Jan 24 17:35:02 <AStorm> ok, so, any idea how I can redirect /dev/fb, /dev/ts and a bunch of ioctls when an app is statically linked?
Jan 24 17:35:17 <AStorm> preferably w/o hacking the kernel
Jan 24 17:35:26 <lcuk> Stskeeps, why not kernel?
Jan 24 17:35:52 <Stslaptop> lcuk: diablo kernel isn't very gcc4 friendly atm :(
Jan 24 17:36:01 <AStorm> uh?
Jan 24 17:36:05 <lcuk> ? you use the diablo kernel?
Jan 24 17:36:06 <AStorm> it does build with gcc 4
Jan 24 17:36:14 <Stslaptop> well, okay, when -i- tried, it failed
Jan 24 17:36:18 <lcuk> lol
Jan 24 17:36:21 <AStorm> use proper gcc then
Jan 24 17:36:23 <Stslaptop> lcuk: for mer? yes
Jan 24 17:36:29 <Stslaptop> (at the moment)
Jan 24 17:36:29 <AStorm> 4.2.3 worked
Jan 24 17:36:37 <AStorm> (Gentoo crossdev one)
Jan 24 17:37:01 <dob> could it be that the bootmenu usb recovery mode doesn't do anything with the selected root device? seems plausible...
Jan 24 17:37:10 <Stslaptop> dob: yes, doesn't mount it
Jan 24 17:37:15 <AStorm> why should it?
Jan 24 17:37:22 <Stslaptop> dob: mer's usb recovery thing is after selecting mer :)
Jan 24 17:37:24 <AStorm> it runs all its stuff from initfs
Jan 24 17:38:23 <qwerty12> dob, edit bootmenu.sh (uncomment lines somewhere) to let you press menu button to go back to bootmenu while keeping usbnet active and then just boot from root device as normal. I was able to run ps from initfs and it showed maemo processes starting up.
Jan 24 17:38:38 <AStorm> yeah, did that too
Jan 24 17:38:44 <AStorm> quite neat
Jan 24 17:38:50 <AStorm> need that auto mode switcher
Jan 24 17:38:53 <AStorm> :)
Jan 24 17:39:02 <AStorm> (or X will be dog-slow)
Jan 24 17:39:35 <qwerty12> can't believe that chroot was removed from initfs though :/
Jan 24 17:40:05 * Stskeeps is just looking forward to when we can generate our own initfs's
Jan 24 17:40:26 <AStorm> uhm? you can already
Jan 24 17:40:39 <qwerty12> AStorm, and distribute them safely
Jan 24 17:40:41 <AStorm> just copy a bunch of files
Jan 24 17:40:46 <AStorm> ah, that is different
Jan 24 17:41:01 <AStorm> can write a "patch script" :>
Jan 24 17:41:13 <AStorm> that takes original initfs, copies a bunch of files
Jan 24 17:41:26 <qwerty12> Although I distributed my thief's initfs for a long while without any repercussions from nokia :>
Jan 24 17:41:37 <AStorm> lucky you
Jan 24 17:41:45 <AStorm> it could've been Conexant after you
Jan 24 17:41:48 <dob> Stslaptop: oh mer has its own recovery mode? how does one use that then?
Jan 24 17:42:05 <Stskeeps> dob: home key down when you have selected Mer boot menu item and pressed center
Jan 24 17:42:09 <Stskeeps> and hold it down till it appears
Jan 24 17:42:17 <Stskeeps> center/enter/whatever :P
Jan 24 17:42:42 * qwerty12 searches for the whatever key on his tablet
Jan 24 17:42:45 <dob> hmm, if the bootmenu recovery doesn't do anything, why does my tablet reboot after a while?
Jan 24 17:43:07 <dob> Stskeeps: should that be documented somewhere? :)
Jan 24 17:43:11 <Stskeeps> dob: it is
Jan 24 17:43:14 <qwerty12> dsme reboots it after 4 mins, think you can do dsme --root-mounted or just enable rd-mode
Jan 24 17:43:55 <Stskeeps> dob: http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Releases/0.6 , "If anything goes wrong, grab a USB cable, and rescue mode is done through holding down Home key when booting Mer. "
Jan 24 17:44:32 <Stskeeps> dob: feel free to document it better ;)
Jan 24 17:45:45 <dob> Stskeeps: hah, I skimmed that page just now looking for that :D
Jan 24 17:46:12 * GeneralAntilles grumbles evil things about Comcast.
Jan 24 17:47:37 <Vulcanis> doomsday?
Jan 24 17:47:43 <Vulcanis> maybe we should stop installing mer
Jan 24 17:47:50 <dob> qwerty12: oh, thanks
Jan 24 17:49:06 <Stskeeps> Vulcanis: cover-my-ass thing, if anyone claims it destroyed their lives worth, it's not my fault
Jan 24 17:49:10 <Stskeeps> :P
Jan 24 17:49:14 <radic> hi Stskeeps & qwerty12
Jan 24 17:49:16 <Vulcanis> Oh, I know.
Jan 24 17:49:24 <Vulcanis> but, zombies...
Jan 24 17:51:18 <Jaffa> qwerty12: indeed, I've got them in ~/.fonts already :-)
Jan 24 17:52:01 <qwerty12> Jaffa, hehe, I should have realised that you would have already had them installed :)
Jan 24 17:53:27 <Jaffa> Good to push 'em out to more ppl though
Jan 24 17:53:41 <Jaffa> And now they can be a dependency for a future theme
Jan 24 17:53:46 <Jaffa> (even the mer one for maemo ;-))
Jan 24 17:54:36 <dob> Stskeeps: perhaps it should be documented on some non-release-specific page presuming it's not(?) release-specific? Lets wait for when 0.7 is released.
Jan 24 17:55:56 <Stslaptop> mmk - beware the release comes like a thief in the night at some point without specific preperation ;)
Jan 24 17:56:16 <Stskeeps> or put it in Mer/Documentation
Jan 24 17:56:40 * qwerty12 blinks as he sees he has 4791 packages installed on his tablet
Jan 24 17:57:03 <qwerty12> No wait, that includes packages I can install >.<
Jan 24 17:57:24 <Stskeeps> qwerty12: that better not be Mer :P
Jan 24 17:57:48 <Jaffa> qwerty12: dpkg --get-selections | wc -l
Jan 24 17:57:49 <Stskeeps> but yes, red pill mode in Mer would be a nightmare.
Jan 24 17:58:12 <qwerty12> Jaffa, nice, thank you :)
Jan 24 17:58:24 <lcuk> is jaiku on the fritz again
Jan 24 17:58:29 <lcuk> ahh no
Jan 24 17:58:33 <qwerty12> Stskeeps, haha, forget nokia's ways of stopping red pill mode from being used :P
Jan 24 17:58:47 <Jaffa> dob: I think the installation instructions could be nicely done under Mer/Documentation/Installation - but I wasn't sure whether to have one page per type, or one page for all, or one page per release.
Jan 24 17:58:54 <Jaffa> So I stopped thinking about it
Jan 24 17:59:04 <Jaffa> qwerty12: no, it's a good idea.
Jan 24 17:59:32 <Jaffa> Although, how does Ubuntu's "Add/remove software" (Synaptic?) decide what to show? It has human readable titles as well
Jan 24 17:59:35 <Stskeeps> qwerty12: "show all categories" wouldn't be a bad thing
Jan 24 17:59:48 <Stskeeps> Jaffa: the categories does correspond to a name
Jan 24 17:59:58 <Stskeeps> .. dunno :P
Jan 24 18:00:03 <qwerty12> Jaffa, I know :). I'm poking fun because in Mer, trying to enumerate all the packages in red pill mode will probably crash h-a-m which would probably dissuade most users from trying to enable it again :P
Jan 24 18:00:46 <dob> Jaffa: hmm, Mer/Documentation isn't linked to from anywhere
Jan 24 18:00:56 <dob> Jaffa: also, what do you mean by 'type'?
Jan 24 18:01:40 <Jaffa> Hmm. For example, top of the "All" list in Intrepid is "20.000 Light Years Into Space", which is `lightyears'. apt-cache show lightyears doesn't show where it's getting that title and category from.
Jan 24 18:02:15 <Jaffa> dob: Hmm. That's because no-one wants to read all Mer's documentation. They want to read "Installation (i.e. release) documentation" or "Development documentation".
Jan 24 18:02:30 <Jaffa> So perhaps /Documentation isn't needed at all (although useful for categorisation?)
Jan 24 18:02:41 <Jaffa> dob: By "type" I meant "platform"
Jan 24 18:05:26 <dob> Jaffa: sounds reasonable. No need to delete that page, but wouldn't categories be suitable for that kind of categorisation in mediawiki? :)
Jan 24 18:10:12 <dob> Jaffa: I think a separate installation page isn't needed yet as I imagine the instructions would change between releases (i.e. it's fine to have the instructions right on the release page, it's not too long yet)
Jan 24 18:17:18 * Stskeeps glares at fbreader
Jan 24 18:17:37 * fbreader glares back
Jan 24 18:17:40 <Stskeeps> hehe
Jan 24 18:19:00 <Jaffa> dob: thinking further - installation instructions can be per release and be on a static page - that page is version controlled cos it's in the wiki
Jan 24 18:23:23 <dob> Jaffa: or rather the 'static page' would just redirect to the latest instructions on the 'per release' page?
Jan 24 18:24:04 <dob> Jaffa: or do you mean there would only be a single page? I was confused by that 'and' :)
Jan 24 18:26:55 * Jaffa foods
Jan 24 18:43:20 * b-man is mesmerised by how nice the new Mer Blueprint home page is 0_o
Jan 24 18:43:42 <Stskeeps> i had no part in it, of course it is good looking ;)
Jan 24 18:46:23 <RST38h> url? =)
Jan 24 18:46:31 <Stskeeps> ~mer
Jan 24 18:46:32 <infobot> [mer] http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer
Jan 24 18:48:33 <lcuk> b-man, i really like it as well - the blue background thingy is nicer - its not so extreme, the brilliant white at the centre top of the original was too overpowering
Jan 24 18:48:44 <lcuk> (and it also meant white text could not be used near it
Jan 24 18:49:45 * Stskeeps wonders why Modest is depending on operator-wizard.
Jan 24 18:50:27 <t_s_o> to make sure it has some way to connect?
Jan 24 18:50:40 <Stskeeps> t_s_o: that's usually libconic..
Jan 24 18:50:51 <t_s_o> heh, shows what i know
Jan 24 18:51:04 * b-man updates merinstaller to use the new, rounder, nicer icon :) 
Jan 24 18:51:37 <t_s_o> merinstaller?
Jan 24 18:52:17 <DarkenCZ> Hi. I just tried to install MER. I boot succesfully, but I can't use keyboard, so I am stuck on Please type your fullname dialog... any advice?
Jan 24 18:52:26 <b-man> yes, the Mer Project Installer ;)
Jan 24 18:52:36 <lcuk> hahah
Jan 24 18:52:37 <b-man> @t_s_o
Jan 24 18:52:41 <Stskeeps> DarkenCZ: try and tap the field
Jan 24 18:52:51 <t_s_o> b-man: let me guess, a tool to install mer on a SD card?
Jan 24 18:53:24 <Stskeeps> DarkenCZ: also, what tablet?
Jan 24 18:53:29 <DarkenCZ> Stskeeps: n810
Jan 24 18:53:41 <b-man> t_s_o: hehe, it also partitions/formats it ;)
Jan 24 18:53:51 <t_s_o> meep
Jan 24 18:54:00 <DarkenCZ> Stskeeps: I installed from tgz file and just unpack it to partition, maybe I forget to include somehint (module loading)
Jan 24 18:54:01 <b-man> MEEP!!
Jan 24 18:54:44 <t_s_o> heh, maybe ill try that ones i finally get those 8GB sd cards, darn messed up order...
Jan 24 18:54:44 <DarkenCZ> I taping to field like crazy, I see the cursor is blinking, but keyboard don't work
Jan 24 18:54:45 <Stskeeps> DarkenCZ: did you make a bootmenu item?
Jan 24 18:55:17 <DarkenCZ> Stskeeps: I did, but maybe I forget to add some parameter
Jan 24 18:55:28 <Stskeeps> DarkenCZ: pastebin it for me (rafb.net/paste) if it's okay
Jan 24 18:55:38 <Stskeeps> also, make sure you used gnutar to unpack with
Jan 24 18:56:14 <Stskeeps> b-man: can you make a .install file for deb btw?
Jan 24 18:56:20 <Stskeeps> since it needs things not in standard repositories
Jan 24 18:56:41 <DarkenCZ> Stskeeps: I will... but there should not be problem with tar, I successfully get mer screen, see loading graphics and then name dialog... wait a while, I paste you my bootmenu
Jan 24 18:56:55 <Stskeeps> DarkenCZ: yeah, but things can get tricky once in a while :)
Jan 24 18:57:00 <Jake42-2> In case I install easy debian in mmc1, would I be able afterwards to uninstall this just by formating the whole mmc1???
Jan 24 18:57:06 <b-man> Stskeeps: shure
Jan 24 18:58:56 * khertan_ is trying is fourst Mer install :)
Jan 24 18:59:08 * b-man finally has a working Ubuntu Jaunty install on his N800 again, woho!!!!!!!
Jan 24 18:59:27 <DarkenCZ> Stskeeps: http://rafb.net/p/5Yc8j162.html
Jan 24 19:00:47 <Stskeeps> DarkenCZ: yes, fair enough - you need to use deblet bootmenu or weird things will happen :) i can recommend the mer installer and http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Releases/0.6#Nokia_N8x0_-_Installer_files_.28simple.29
Jan 24 19:01:11 <DarkenCZ> Stskeeps: I used to boot deblet from this menu :)
Jan 24 19:01:31 <Stskeeps> DarkenCZ: is it the deblet bootmenu with LINUXRC support? we removed non-deblet bootmenu support so
Jan 24 19:01:36 <Stskeeps> as it screwed up system
Jan 24 19:01:36 <Stskeeps> s
Jan 24 19:02:05 <DarkenCZ> I tried to install installer from deb, but it told me that deb fine is not binary compatible
Jan 24 19:02:22 <Stskeeps> which one, bootmenu.deb or the merinstaller?
Jan 24 19:02:57 <DarkenCZ> bootmenu I thing
Jan 24 19:03:05 <Stskeeps> check if you can :)
Jan 24 19:03:07 <Stskeeps> merinstaller, you need to add extras-devel repository
Jan 24 19:04:01 <DarkenCZ> I will check it
Jan 24 19:04:56 <b-man> Stskeeps: do i need to start uploading the merinstaller to a repo?, and if so, how can i do this?
Jan 24 19:05:12 <Stskeeps> b-man: mm.
Jan 24 19:05:17 <b-man> k
Jan 24 19:05:23 <DarkenCZ> Stskeeps: I have it, I just making apt-get updte
Jan 24 19:05:28 <Stskeeps> whats the url for latest source? i'll make a tar.gz for you
Jan 24 19:05:44 <Stskeeps> as in, a debian package :P
Jan 24 19:06:05 <Stskeeps> (a real one)
Jan 24 19:08:00 <Stskeeps> then we can get it into extras-devel which may be more useful :P
Jan 24 19:10:49 <DarkenCZ> Stskeeps: Incompatible application package
Jan 24 19:11:07 <Stskeeps> DarkenCZ: for bootmenu? hmm
Jan 24 19:11:21 <DarkenCZ> for installer
Jan 24 19:12:07 <Stskeeps> is bootmenu installed first?
Jan 24 19:12:34 <DarkenCZ> Stskeeps: installing
Jan 24 19:13:56 <Stskeeps> and after that make sure you have extras-devel repository
Jan 24 19:14:12 <DarkenCZ> Stskeeps: I already made... I have
Jan 24 19:15:32 <Stskeeps> k
Jan 24 19:16:13 <DarkenCZ> Botmenu installed, but still unable to install merinstaller
Jan 24 19:16:40 <Stskeeps> try dpkg -i the package
Jan 24 19:16:47 <qwerty12_N800> use dpkg, the section is wrong on it
Jan 24 19:16:51 <Stskeeps> ah.
Jan 24 19:16:55 <Stskeeps> so that's what's up
Jan 24 19:17:02 <b-man> oh
Jan 24 19:17:23 <Stskeeps> b-man, looking into that? ;)
Jan 24 19:17:41 <b-man> hehe, i am now ;)
Jan 24 19:18:32 * b-man updates /DEBIAN/control
Jan 24 19:22:17 * b-man overloads his N800 by simotaniusly insalling ubuntu-desktop in ubuntu in cdeb2, chating, browsing the web, using emelfm2, and by updating deb allong with using ssh
Jan 24 19:26:15 <b-man> and uploading a 172mb file va ftp ;)
Jan 24 19:28:09 * Stskeeps is waiting for his noodles to become soft.
Jan 24 19:28:27 * michal_ is back
Jan 24 19:28:38 <michal_> nick DarkenCZ_
Jan 24 19:28:46 <DarkenCZ_> sorry
Jan 24 19:28:52 <b-man> hehe
Jan 24 19:30:16 <DarkenCZ_> BTW do I understand right, that MER use same gui technologies? Metacity, hildon, gtk2 ?
Jan 24 19:30:32 <Stskeeps> er. Mer uses hildon, gtk, matchbox, not metacity ;)
Jan 24 19:30:40 <Stskeeps> yes, but it's also Ubuntu underneath
Jan 24 19:30:41 <DarkenCZ_> matchbox, sorry :)
Jan 24 19:30:43 <qwerty12_N800> X-Fade, any idea why the diablo builder is stalled? i'd like to get ttf-droid into diablo extras-devel (it succeeded building for chinook fine) :)
Jan 24 19:30:46 <Stskeeps> so you can change around things if you want
Jan 24 19:30:47 <DarkenCZ_> Sounds perfect
Jan 24 19:31:31 <DarkenCZ_> I had simular ideas before, I wanted to add hildon interface to deblet... but I was not able to find time to do it :(
Jan 24 19:32:00 * DarkenCZ_ is booting mer again
Jan 24 19:32:35 <Stskeeps> okay, did you run the installer + add a _LINUXRC item? ;)
Jan 24 19:32:39 <Stskeeps> + = or
Jan 24 19:33:09 <DarkenCZ_> Yes, but maybe in not right way...
Jan 24 19:33:55 <dob> Jaffa: about the ubuntu add/remove app, it uses .desktop files: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/gnome-app-install/main/annotate/head%3A/README
Jan 24 19:34:22 <DarkenCZ> Stskeeps: I have new item in /etc/bootmenud.d
Jan 24 19:34:36 <Stskeeps> ok, /etc/bootmenu.d, can i see it?
Jan 24 19:34:38 <Stskeeps> the item
Jan 24 19:35:31 <DarkenCZ> You have to waint until I will wake pda up :)
Jan 24 19:35:34 <Stskeeps> hehe, ok
Jan 24 19:36:06 <DarkenCZ> Does it only seems to me, or external card is sometimes mmcblk0 and sometimes mmcblk1 :)
Jan 24 19:36:14 <Stskeeps> yes, it is sometimes
Jan 24 19:36:17 <Stskeeps> our installers takes care of that
Jan 24 19:36:44 <RST38h> Nigerian Goat Detained on Suspicion of Armed Robbery!
Jan 24 19:36:57 <RST38h> Darken: It is a known problem
Jan 24 19:37:27 <DarkenCZ> I tried to boot new mer option, but I fail after some time and boot from flash
Jan 24 19:37:38 <DarkenCZ> I will send you my mer item
Jan 24 19:38:21 <DarkenCZ> Stskeeps: http://rafb.net/p/rs8NNC40.html
Jan 24 19:39:24 <Stskeeps> DarkenCZ: yes, ok, MODULES should have ="mbcache jbd ext3" in them  FSTYPE="ext3"
Jan 24 19:39:31 <Stskeeps> edit it in /etc/bootmenu.d and refresh_bootmenu.d
Jan 24 19:39:49 <Stskeeps> also, edit mmcblk1 to be ${INT_CARD} or ${EXT_CARD} depending on where you installed it
Jan 24 19:40:07 <DarkenCZ> I thought it was quite simple :)
Jan 24 19:42:52 <DarkenCZ> wow, looks better this time
Jan 24 19:43:15 <Stskeeps> beware the first boot might have messed up the image
Jan 24 19:43:20 <Stskeeps> so you need to un-tar.gz again
Jan 24 19:44:11 <DarkenCZ> Hm... keybord don't work anyway :((
Jan 24 19:44:38 <FireFox> Stskeeps: hehe - fixed that problem in my next release - runs fuser -m /mnt/mer -k before unmounting /mnt/mer in merinstaller
Jan 24 19:44:57 <Stskeeps> FireFox: do you remember to cd out of it so you don't kill yourself?
Jan 24 19:45:13 <Stskeeps> people has talked about it dying right after asking for root password
Jan 24 19:45:16 <FireFox> hehe, yes :)
Jan 24 19:45:19 <Stskeeps> good
Jan 24 19:45:22 <DarkenCZ> I have exactly same problem as with old boot menu :(
Jan 24 19:45:53 <Stskeeps> DarkenCZ: did you reformat the partition and unpack again?
Jan 24 19:46:04 <DarkenCZ> Stskeeps: No, I did not :(
Jan 24 19:46:09 <Stskeeps> try that
Jan 24 19:46:35 <DarkenCZ> I will... but do you know this problem or you just guess :)
Jan 24 19:46:50 <Stskeeps> i have a guess, but we'll see if i'm right :P
Jan 24 19:46:59 <Stskeeps> but also we've seen this problem before but never confirmed what caused it
Jan 24 19:47:15 <Stskeeps> hope you're okay with spending a little time walking through it so we can fix it for next release :)
Jan 24 19:47:20 <Stskeeps> (which is on the 1st of feb)
Jan 24 19:47:49 <DarkenCZ> Ok :) Maybe some problem with modules? how is n810 keybord known for linux kernel?
Jan 24 19:48:09 <Stskeeps> it should be within kernel
Jan 24 19:48:55 <DarkenCZ> So, I will download this file and unpack as root
Jan 24 19:49:02 <Stskeeps> yes
Jan 24 19:49:04 <DarkenCZ> http://stskeeps.subnetmask.net/mer/mer-armel-n8x0-image-v0.6.tar.gz
Jan 24 19:49:07 <DarkenCZ> This file :)
Jan 24 19:49:43 <Stskeeps> yes
Jan 24 19:49:57 <Stskeeps> and remember to check if you have gnu tar (tar --version)
Jan 24 19:50:11 <DarkenCZ> I will
Jan 24 19:55:51 <DarkenCZ> Ok, I am unpacking again, using gtar
Jan 24 19:56:04 <khertan_> apt-get install osso-xterm
Jan 24 19:56:07 <khertan_> grrr
Jan 24 19:56:10 <khertan_> sorry
Jan 24 19:56:11 <khertan_> ww
Jan 24 19:57:37 <DarkenCZ> btw, don't you need some help with MER localization?
Jan 24 19:58:06 <Stskeeps> DarkenCZ: yes, eventually, but right now we're focusing on the technical part :)
Jan 24 19:58:21 <Stskeeps> there is support for it in much of the software
Jan 24 19:59:14 <Stskeeps> https://code.launchpad.net/~mer-translations for instance
Jan 24 19:59:27 <Stskeeps> but right now we're missing localization strings for even english, so :)
Jan 24 19:59:38 <DarkenCZ> I see... I will check it :)
Jan 24 20:00:31 <Stskeeps> lo meiz
Jan 24 20:00:44 <Meiz_n810> hello Sts
Jan 24 20:01:06 <khertan_> Hi !
Jan 24 20:01:19 <Jaffa> dob: ah, clever. I thought about using .desktops but was wondering how they extracted it. I *think* I prefer the Maemo method, but that's less localisable
Jan 24 20:01:44 * FireFox waits hesitantly for ubuntu-desktop to finish installing on his N800
Jan 24 20:01:57 <Meiz_n810> could someone pastebin me the easydebians xephwm script?
Jan 24 20:02:05 <Stskeeps> FireFox: i've been waiting 6 hours for a snapshot release of mer.
Jan 24 20:02:09 <Jaffa> FireFox: in mer?
Jan 24 20:02:13 <Stskeeps> well, ok, 4 hours
Jan 24 20:02:35 <Stskeeps> Jaffa: b-man maintains a pure-ubuntu guide too so, based on some of the mer things
Jan 24 20:02:52 <FireFox> Stskeeps: wow 0_o
Jan 24 20:03:12 <Jaffa> Indeed. But presumably, apt-get install ubuntu-desktop should "just" work?
Jan 24 20:03:13 <Meiz_n810> gnome and kde are both painful to use on n8x0 :P
Jan 24 20:03:19 <Stskeeps> Jaffa: eventually yes
Jan 24 20:03:27 <Stskeeps> we have some minor seams atm
Jan 24 20:03:48 <FireFox> libgnomevfs issue ;)
Jan 24 20:03:50 <DarkenCZ> I tried gnome and I must agree
Jan 24 20:04:04 * Stskeeps ponders to post a thread on iTT about "Mer as the community edition of Fremantle - What and how?", to get people's view of what is important to include or to have.
Jan 24 20:04:06 <DarkenCZ> I love gnome on desktop, but no way on tablet
Jan 24 20:04:24 <Meiz_n810> DarkenCZ: KDE 4.2 is even worse...
Jan 24 20:04:33 * FireFox uses a TON of swap ;)
Jan 24 20:04:41 <DarkenCZ> Meiz_n810: KDE is always worse :D
Jan 24 20:05:01 <FireFox> with insserv and preload ;)
Jan 24 20:05:01 <RST38h> Sts: There is no Fremantle yet, just a pre-alpha sdk
Jan 24 20:05:04 <Stskeeps> RST38h: true
Jan 24 20:05:09 <Meiz_n810> DarkenCZ: i prefer KDE 4.2 on my ubuntubox
Jan 24 20:05:21 * RST38h wouldn't haste things
Jan 24 20:05:36 <DarkenCZ> Meiz_n810: Hei, seems we have to fight old gnome vs. KDE battle again :)
Jan 24 20:06:14 <Meiz_n810> DarkenCZ: nah, i like both, so...
Jan 24 20:06:17 <khertan_> DarkenCZ: nope ... everybody agree that a gnome is better on limited device
Jan 24 20:06:27 <inz> s/limited/any/
Jan 24 20:06:38 <DarkenCZ> Stskeeps: I am still without working keyboard :((
Jan 24 20:06:52 <Stskeeps> DarkenCZ: alright, sec
Jan 24 20:07:29 <FireFox> khertan: i will, but it requires a lot of swap ;)
Jan 24 20:07:29 <DarkenCZ> How it should work in case of n800? There should be support for virtual keybord
Jan 24 20:07:32 <Stskeeps> DarkenCZ: can you in maemo verify if /etc/pointercal exists on the Mer partition?
Jan 24 20:07:40 <Stskeeps> DarkenCZ: check if you can move the dialog box first
Jan 24 20:07:49 <Stskeeps> with touch
Jan 24 20:08:00 <GeneralAntilles> Oh, finally. Internet.
Jan 24 20:08:00 <DarkenCZ> Yes, I can move the dialog
Jan 24 20:08:03 <khertan_> hum ... apt-get upgrade on Mer is a bad idea ;) : http://pastebin.com/m4d83962c
Jan 24 20:08:04 <Stskeeps> DarkenCZ: k
Jan 24 20:08:21 <DarkenCZ> To check partition, I need to reboot again, wait
Jan 24 20:08:23 <Stskeeps> khertan_: yeah, i ran into the same, i'll add it to the task list
Jan 24 20:08:33 <khertan_> Stskeeps: héhé libc6
Jan 24 20:08:33 <Stskeeps> DarkenCZ: nm about pointercal since you can move dialog
Jan 24 20:08:42 <Stskeeps> khertan_: docpurge nightmare
Jan 24 20:08:50 <DarkenCZ> Ok, so what more I ca do?
Jan 24 20:09:00 <FireFox> Stskeeps: tweek apt-pinning? ;)
Jan 24 20:09:24 <Jaffa> Stskeeps: people'll have difficulty saying what they want from Fremantle when no-one's seen it, I suspect ;-)
Jan 24 20:09:32 <Stskeeps> Jaffa: true
Jan 24 20:09:35 <Meiz_n810> DarkenCZ: h-i-m not working?
Jan 24 20:09:51 <DarkenCZ> Meiz_n810: h-i-m ?
Jan 24 20:09:58 <Stskeeps> DarkenCZ: the on screen keyboard :)
Jan 24 20:10:02 <Meiz_n810> hildon-input-method
Jan 24 20:10:14 <DarkenCZ> There is no on screen keybord
Jan 24 20:10:22 <Stskeeps> as in, it doesn't pop up
Jan 24 20:10:45 <Meiz_n810> That happened to me once too
Jan 24 20:10:49 <DarkenCZ> There is only backgroud and simple dialog window asking me for name
Jan 24 20:11:10 <Meiz_n810> DarkenCZ: you user the mer-installer?
Jan 24 20:11:26 <thopiekar> whats the command to get the version of debian?
Jan 24 20:11:34 <Stskeeps> Jaffa: so the tactic is to state that we need those hardware support packages as initial thing, as we don't know what Fremantle will bring of applications just yet and we want to wait for that a bit
Jan 24 20:11:35 <DarkenCZ> Mercury: I installed it manually first, then I used installer, but still same problem
Jan 24 20:11:36 <Stskeeps> + ?
Jan 24 20:11:49 <thopiekar> like 'sid', etc
Jan 24 20:12:00 <DarkenCZ> That was for Meiz_n810, sorry
Jan 24 20:12:17 <Meiz_n810> DarkenCZ: weird problem...
Jan 24 20:12:19 * thopiekar would like to know there version of debian on his tablet
Jan 24 20:13:04 <DarkenCZ> Anything more I can try?
Jan 24 20:13:07 <Stskeeps> sec
Jan 24 20:13:12 <DarkenCZ> course
Jan 24 20:13:17 <Stskeeps> browsing some code
Jan 24 20:13:49 <DarkenCZ> thx
Jan 24 20:14:54 <zecrazytux> thopiekar: cat /etc/debian_version
Jan 24 20:15:06 <Stskeeps> DarkenCZ: what happens if you slide in the keyboard and press on the field?
Jan 24 20:15:18 <thopiekar> thanks and the architecture is arm right?
Jan 24 20:15:33 <zecrazytux> arm or armel
Jan 24 20:15:59 <zecrazytux> I don't use maemo for now (trying to setup a plain debian)
Jan 24 20:16:17 <Stskeeps> zecrazytux: was it you trying to do it manually? :P
Jan 24 20:16:44 <DarkenCZ> Stskeeps: nothing... but I have the same problem on maemo... when I closed the keybord, screen keyboard does not appear... sometimes :)
Jan 24 20:18:29 <Stskeeps> DarkenCZ: ok, can you do me a favour and add it on bugs.maemo.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=Mer and paste the contents of your /proc/component_version as well?
Jan 24 20:18:51 <Stskeeps> so we can keep track of it, and the hardware make you have
Jan 24 20:19:02 <DarkenCZ> Stskeeps: sure... but /proc/component will be taken from maemo installation
Jan 24 20:19:09 <Stskeeps> yes, it's fine
Jan 24 20:19:26 <DarkenCZ> Ok, I will do it
Jan 24 20:20:07 <Stskeeps> thanks
Jan 24 20:21:04 <DarkenCZ> But I see only three items there
Jan 24 20:21:10 <DarkenCZ> product     RX-44
Jan 24 20:21:10 <DarkenCZ> hw-build    0801
Jan 24 20:21:10 <DarkenCZ> nolo        1.1.16
Jan 24 20:21:23 <DarkenCZ> It's that right
Jan 24 20:21:26 <DarkenCZ> ?
Jan 24 20:21:30 <Stskeeps> yes, thank you
Jan 24 20:21:39 <DarkenCZ> Ok, so I will paste it there
Jan 24 20:29:33 * Stskeeps notes to himself he should look closer at fremantle alpha sdk
Jan 24 20:29:37 <Stskeeps> pre-alpha that is
Jan 24 20:32:44 <DarkenCZ> Stskeeps: Bug 4039
Jan 24 20:33:46 <Stskeeps> thanks :)
Jan 24 20:36:06 <timeless> anyone here familiar w/ .po/.mo?
Jan 24 20:38:29 <RST38h> All righty, fMSX with virtual keyboard support is now in Extras
Jan 24 20:39:18 <DarkenCZ> Stskeeps: I mounted partition under maemo and I found udev log, maybe we can find something interesting there
Jan 24 20:40:35 <r2d2rogers> Stskeeps: pong
Jan 24 20:40:54 <r2d2rogers> sorry for delay, we seem to have a stomach bug
Jan 24 20:41:22 <Stskeeps> r2d2rogers: can you list me what dsp modules or whatever 770 has for sound playing?
Jan 24 20:41:26 <Stskeeps> package name and files
Jan 24 20:41:44 <r2d2rogers> can dig, want maemo or mer?
Jan 24 20:42:02 <qwerty12_N800> RST38h, thanks!
Jan 24 20:42:32 <Stskeeps> r2d2rogers: maemo
Jan 24 20:44:13 * timeless pokes people
Jan 24 20:44:23 <Jaffa> Stskeeps: given Nokia want to differentiate with apps, I suspect it'll be hardware binary blobs & Flash for the time being. Some parts of Fremantle UI layer, maybe - depending on what it ships. For example, if it ships a kick ass Media Player on top of MIDAS, maybe Mer'll want that
Jan 24 20:44:32 <Stskeeps> Jaffa: *nod*
Jan 24 20:44:39 <Stskeeps> Jaffa: i highly doubt flash
Jan 24 20:45:00 <Stskeeps> i'm perfectly happy with hw interfacing really. the community should implement some OSS things :P
Jan 24 20:46:17 <Stskeeps> can't expect to get everything handed down :P
Jan 24 20:48:00 <GeneralAntilles> Nokia's differentiation stuff usually sucks, anyway.
Jan 24 20:48:15 <timeless> someone?
Jan 24 20:48:17 <Stskeeps> well, finger keyboard, hwr and word completition..
Jan 24 20:48:26 <Stskeeps> timeless: i would like to learn :P (.po/.mo)
Jan 24 20:48:27 <RST38h> General: non-differentiation stuff also sucks
Jan 24 20:48:41 * RST38h remembers PC Suite and shudders
Jan 24 20:48:41 <timeless> sts: ok, be my guinea pig?
Jan 24 20:48:48 <Stskeeps> timeless: mmk
Jan 24 20:49:03 <GeneralAntilles> RST38h, at least they're improvable, anyway.
Jan 24 20:49:18 <GeneralAntilles> Stskeeps, finger keyboard is broken as hell, hwr is laughable and word completion is meh.
Jan 24 20:49:45 <RST38h> General: Some, yes. PC Suite is not improvable really. Just has to be scrapped.
Jan 24 20:52:11 * RST38h kills and restarts Modest again (hung asking for passwords, pop3 account no longer works even after changing data)
Jan 24 20:54:16 <dob> how long a window is there for pressing the home button to start the rescue mode? Nothing seems to be happening for me.
Jan 24 20:54:27 <ciroip> anyone know the product number of the n800? the n810 is RX-44
Jan 24 20:54:33 <qwerty12_N800> RX-34
Jan 24 20:54:34 <RST38h> RX-41?
Jan 24 20:54:42 <RST38h> oh, sorry
Jan 24 20:54:50 <ciroip> mh RST38h: do you have a n800?
Jan 24 20:55:06 <ciroip> cat /proc/component_version should do the trick
Jan 24 20:55:07 <RST38h> ciroip: No, my mistake.
Jan 24 20:55:16 <r2d2rogers> dob, bootmenu or mer?
Jan 24 20:55:18 <RST38h> qwerty is rigjt
Jan 24 20:55:21 <dob> r2d2rogers: mer
Jan 24 20:55:48 <r2d2rogers> two "notches" of the progress meter
Jan 24 20:55:55 <ciroip> I want try to downgrade the my app in case I can recognize an n800
Jan 24 20:57:21 <Jaffa> Extras uploading doesn't need packages to be signed anymore, does it?
Jan 24 20:57:28 <qwerty12_N800> nope
Jan 24 20:57:29 <RST38h> it should not
Jan 24 20:57:35 * RST38h is still signing 'em though
Jan 24 20:57:35 <Jaffa> `mud upload' just became really easy to implement ;-)
Jan 24 20:58:15 <dob> r2d2rogers: what progress meter? I just see text until pivot root and starting /sbin/init and then it hangs there and reboots after ~15 secs
Jan 24 20:58:31 <Stskeeps> dob: hmm, that's odd
Jan 24 20:59:19 <Jaffa> Stskeeps: I'm quite happy to argue with Nokia if the answer comes back for Flash with "um, no". If it comes back with a good explanation, perhaps less so ;-)
Jan 24 21:00:04 <r2d2rogers> dob I can hit it when I see the pivot root first appear, and hold hime till the menu comes up
Jan 24 21:00:40 <r2d2rogers> I can also get the menu if I wait till the splash screen appears but hit home before two notches od progress.
Jan 24 21:00:50 <qwerty12_N800> dob, that happened to me when my partition number was wrong, fstype was wrong & modules were wrong for ext3 in my *.item file
Jan 24 21:04:04 <Jaffa> vim_7.2-0maemo2 uploaded to auto-builder :-)
Jan 24 21:05:36 <dob> qwerty12_N800: so the simple installer is to blame? :)
Jan 24 21:05:41 * Stskeeps wonders what on earth hildon_keyboard_assistant is
Jan 24 21:05:56 <RST38h> it assists the keyboard!
Jan 24 21:06:03 <qwerty12_N800> dob, I never used it :)
Jan 24 21:06:10 <qwerty12_N800> so I wouldn't know
Jan 24 21:06:13 * Jaffa is quite chuffed with how simple the vim package is now defined in mud: https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/trunk/packages/vim.pkg/?root=mud-builder
Jan 24 21:09:32 <Jaffa> Stskeeps; Another one for the list - Nokia Internet Call
Jan 24 21:10:01 <Jaffa> Absolutely no idea how much integration work'd be required for that, but it's something I use rarely but importantly.
Jan 24 21:10:17 <RST38h> Hmm...Nokia released Contacts plugin for Ovi
Jan 24 21:10:38 <RST38h> Is it any useful? Or yet-another-chat-service-nobody-uses?
Jan 24 21:10:57 <Stskeeps> Jaffa: right now we have an odd situation in that modest depends on operator-wizard (closed), and osso-pdf-reader and other funny things require modest :)
Jan 24 21:11:21 <Stskeeps> so i'm grumpy and upgrading packages i forgot to upgrade from the pre-alpha sdk
Jan 24 21:11:44 <qwerty12_N800> Stskeeps, should be trivial removing that dependency
Jan 24 21:11:58 <Stskeeps> qwerty12_N800: probably, but it's annoying still :)
Jan 24 21:12:47 <Jaffa> Shows that "open" doesn't necessarily equate with useful. Why osso-pdf-reader? Shouldn't it just be firing an "open this document" DBUS message?
Jan 24 21:13:25 <lcuk> no, it should be firing a get handler for this mimetype
Jan 24 21:13:35 <Stskeeps> Jaffa: libcomapp -> libmodest-dbus-dev -> something
Jan 24 21:13:36 <Stskeeps> :P
Jan 24 21:13:48 <Stskeeps> or something
Jan 24 21:13:50 <Jaffa> lcuk: ...or something ;-). But not osso-pdf-reader directly.
Jan 24 21:13:56 <lcuk> agreed
Jan 24 21:14:15 <lcuk> but thats the filemanager
Jan 24 21:15:20 <lcuk> mmm sorry should read up a little bit :$
Jan 24 21:17:06 <GeneralAntilles> File some bugs.
Jan 24 21:18:38 <r2d2rogers> Stskeeps: slow today, not feeling well, but looks like AIC23 was being developed by the linux-omap guys as of september...
Jan 24 21:20:38 <Stskeeps> r2d2rogers: i've had a bad neck pain all day, so join the club :P
Jan 24 21:20:48 <Stskeeps> r2d2rogers: no codecs / mp3 or something?
Jan 24 21:20:55 <r2d2rogers> gonna install 32 bit OS and get the SDK up runnning
Jan 24 21:21:31 <r2d2rogers> have to install OS2008 or OS2007 to check, Sound on OS2008HE doesn't work somehow
Jan 24 21:21:42 <r2d2rogers> omse system sounds, but that's about it
Jan 24 21:24:19 <Stskeeps> r2d2rogers: dpkg -l | grep dsp?
Jan 24 21:27:49 <r2d2rogers> osso-dsp-loader osso-dspmodules-rx-44 osso-multimedia-dsp
Jan 24 21:27:59 <Stskeeps> rx-44? interesting
Jan 24 21:28:08 <r2d2rogers> libgst0.10.dsp
Jan 24 21:28:23 <r2d2rogers> is 44 the 800?
Jan 24 21:28:28 <qwerty12_N800> 810
Jan 24 21:28:43 <r2d2rogers> figures
Jan 24 21:28:59 <r2d2rogers> so it may not work due to the wrong modules being installed
Jan 24 21:29:01 <qwerty12_N800> But diablo has the N810 dsp modules by default too
Jan 24 21:29:14 <qwerty12_N800> s/diablo/diablo on N800/
Jan 24 21:29:15 <infobot> qwerty12_N800 meant: But diablo on N800 has the N810 dsp modules by default too
Jan 24 21:29:16 <Stskeeps> r2d2rogers: perhaps they do work on the dsp :P
Jan 24 21:30:19 <r2d2rogers> no results from replaceing dsp with codec or mp3 in the last command
Jan 24 21:30:31 <Stskeeps> k
Jan 24 21:31:03 * Stskeeps tries a new snapshot
Jan 24 21:31:10 <r2d2rogers> interesting email in the maemo dvelopers archive http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/maemo/developers/40692
Jan 24 21:33:47 <Stskeeps> hmm, didn't know omap2 DSP was supported by dspgateway
Jan 24 21:35:18 <Stskeeps> i wonder..
Jan 24 21:36:43 <Stskeeps> OpenMAX doesn't work for OMAP2 does it?
Jan 24 21:37:09 <GeneralAntilles> No
Jan 24 21:37:56 <Stskeeps> k
Jan 24 21:41:48 <t3rminat0r_> Stskeeps, man, I need your help!!!
Jan 24 21:42:50 <Stskeeps> that'll be 27 euro per hour in consulting feeds
Jan 24 21:42:51 <Stskeeps> fees
Jan 24 21:44:50 <t3rminat0r_> :(
Jan 24 21:44:55 <t3rminat0r_> the mer...
Jan 24 21:45:00 <t3rminat0r_> how may I install it?
Jan 24 21:45:27 <t3rminat0r_> http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Releases/0.6#Installation_.28chroot.29     ?
Jan 24 21:45:42 <Stskeeps> no, not chroot
Jan 24 21:46:18 <t3rminat0r_> which means?
Jan 24 21:47:07 <Stskeeps> if you want to try it out, try out the virtual disk image first, or use the installer
Jan 24 21:47:10 <Stskeeps> brb
Jan 24 21:48:24 <Stskeeps> synaptics driver fucking needs to die
Jan 24 21:48:32 <t3rminat0r_> hmmm
Jan 24 21:48:38 <t3rminat0r_> you mean
Jan 24 21:48:53 <t3rminat0r_> http://stskeeps.subnetmask.net/mer/mer-armel-n8x0-installer-v0.6.deb   ?
Jan 24 21:48:56 <t3rminat0r_> this one?
Jan 24 21:48:58 <Stskeeps> yes, for instance
Jan 24 21:49:40 <t3rminat0r_> and it will create itself an image on the N810?
Jan 24 21:49:45 <t3rminat0r_> (and a dual boot as well?)
Jan 24 21:49:51 <Stskeeps> if you do it properly, yes
Jan 24 21:49:55 <Stskeeps> if you install bootmenu first
Jan 24 21:50:01 <Stskeeps> and then install -> bobotmenu
Jan 24 21:50:15 <Stskeeps> utilities->bootmenu
Jan 24 21:50:18 <Stskeeps> but beware
Jan 24 21:50:23 <Stskeeps> this -is difficult-
Jan 24 21:50:39 <t3rminat0r_> if I follow the installer alone
Jan 24 21:50:48 <t3rminat0r_> it would fine (and easy) right?
Jan 24 21:51:06 <Stskeeps> if you install bootmenu, and install the installer after adding extras-devel repository
Jan 24 21:51:35 <Stskeeps> but it is not easy OS
Jan 24 21:51:43 <Stskeeps> wait till 1st february for a more easier OS
Jan 24 21:52:15 <suihkulokki> windows ce?
Jan 24 21:52:22 <Stskeeps> suihkulokki: no, one with xterm
Jan 24 21:52:22 <Stskeeps> :P
Jan 24 21:52:56 <t3rminat0r_> Stskeeps, i WILL :)
Jan 24 21:53:03 <t3rminat0r_> do you prepare something?
Jan 24 21:53:51 <Stskeeps> t3rminat0r_: mer will release every 2nd week on sunday
Jan 24 21:54:15 <t3rminat0r_> wow!!!
Jan 24 21:54:21 <t3rminat0r_> man you are great!!!
Jan 24 21:54:33 <t3rminat0r_> tomorrow?
Jan 24 21:54:36 <Stskeeps> no, next week
Jan 24 21:54:39 <t3rminat0r_> :P
Jan 24 21:54:41 <t3rminat0r_> ok man,
Jan 24 21:54:48 <t3rminat0r_> what time? :)
Jan 24 21:55:03 <t3rminat0r_> it would be a light ubuntu version?
Jan 24 21:55:10 * timeless watches senator kelly disintegrate 
Jan 24 21:55:15 <Stskeeps> it would be more maemo than ubuntu, but more ubuntu than maemo
Jan 24 21:55:19 <Stskeeps> sometime during the day. probably during the evening as i'll be hungover and curled up in a fetal position
Jan 24 21:56:32 <bef0rd> hai
Jan 24 21:56:33 <t3rminat0r_> come on, don't be nervous
Jan 24 21:56:41 <t3rminat0r_> I think it is a great job :0
Jan 24 21:56:44 <t3rminat0r_> :)
Jan 24 21:57:10 <Stskeeps> nervous? i don't drink because i'm nervous :P i drink because i need to!
Jan 24 21:57:10 <Stskeeps> :P
Jan 24 21:57:50 <lcuk> yeah Stskeeps, but you are the only one who pours vodka on your corn flakes
Jan 24 21:58:28 <t3rminat0r_> :)
Jan 24 21:58:45 <t3rminat0r_> and how may I update the mer?
Jan 24 21:58:55 <t3rminat0r_> uninstall and reinstall again and again?
Jan 24 21:58:59 <Stskeeps> yes
Jan 24 21:59:03 <Stskeeps> (right now)
Jan 24 21:59:05 <t3rminat0r_> or there will be a dist-upgrade?
Jan 24 21:59:10 <Stskeeps> there will be..
Jan 24 21:59:39 <radic> Stskeeps: did you know the releasedate of unreal-3.3?
Jan 24 21:59:50 <Stskeeps> radic: no sorry, i'm completely out of the project
Jan 24 22:00:03 <radic> Stskeeps: why?
Jan 24 22:00:03 <Stskeeps> radic: i wouldn't put my money on a before 2020 release
Jan 24 22:00:34 <Stskeeps> radic: http://forums.unrealircd.com/viewtopic.php?t=5701
Jan 24 22:00:41 <dob> is there a repo with up-to-date installer sources?
Jan 24 22:00:56 <Stskeeps> trac.tspre.org/bman is recenter
Jan 24 22:01:12 <Stskeeps> recent
Jan 24 22:01:24 <radic> Stskeeps: what do you think about a unrealIRCd port for the N800?
Jan 24 22:01:53 <Stskeeps> radic: easy as pie, but probably easiest on Mer :P
Jan 24 22:02:01 <Stskeeps> i mean, it runs on HPUX..
Jan 24 22:02:21 <Stskeeps> no idea how it reacts to cross compilation
Jan 24 22:02:37 * b-man is mad, his tablet locked up and crashed and now he possibly has sever ext3 filesystem damage in ubuntu >:(
Jan 24 22:03:12 <Stskeeps> b-man: [20:21]  * b-man overloads his N800 by simotaniusly insalling ubuntu-desktop in ubuntu in cdeb2, chating, browsing the web, using emelfm2, and by updating deb allong with using ssh
Jan 24 22:03:14 <radic> Stskeeps: I compiled it on Win32 and Linux withe SSL and zip-link support
Jan 24 22:03:36 <radic> and modifyed some modules and the source...
Jan 24 22:03:40 <Stskeeps> radic: yeah.. maybe it builds in scratchbox, no clue :P
Jan 24 22:03:46 <b-man> Stskeeps: i probibly was asking for it ;)
Jan 24 22:03:53 <Stskeeps> b-man: yes. yes, you were.
Jan 24 22:03:54 <Stskeeps> :P
Jan 24 22:04:02 <radic> I'll try it if I have time and an runnung kernel...
Jan 24 22:04:49 <radic> hmm
Jan 24 22:05:00 <radic> I need more nicotine
Jan 24 22:06:10 <dob> I'm guessing mer-simple-ext.item shouldn't have ITEM_DEVICE="${EXT_CARD}p3" in it...
Jan 24 22:06:18 <Stskeeps> it should
Jan 24 22:06:55 <Stskeeps> i'm not kidding, that's true, it has to look like that :) we cannot rely on mmcblk1 being external for instance
Jan 24 22:06:57 * b-man is thankful to realise that his ubuntu install survived the nasty crash and resumes installing ubuntu-desktop
Jan 24 22:08:07 <radic> Stskeeps: I want to know why & and + channels aren't supportet by unreal3.2
Jan 24 22:08:49 <Stskeeps> radic: + never was there, & i took out cos they added un-needed complexity. anyway - unrealircd is a chapter that's closed in my life and i'm trying my best to forget the details
Jan 24 22:08:52 <Stskeeps> :P
Jan 24 22:09:13 <radic> :(
Jan 24 22:09:17 <Stskeeps> Meiz_n810: latest snapshot ruins my NM too
Jan 24 22:09:26 <Stskeeps> radic: #unreal-support on ircsystems prolly is okay for questions
Jan 24 22:09:33 <Meiz_n810> k
Jan 24 22:11:30 <Stskeeps> and synaptics input driver needs to seriously die
Jan 24 22:13:02 <radic> Stskeeps: where are you from?
Jan 24 22:13:46 <slonopotamus> ~seen fauxmight
Jan 24 22:13:47 <infobot> fauxmight is currently on #maemo (1d 13h 13m 47s), last said: 'When I've got some free space on a sdcard I'll get it going.'.
Jan 24 22:14:43 <slonopotamus> ~seen christendoc
Jan 24 22:14:44 <infobot> christendoc <n=christen@ip68-12-168-139.ok.ok.cox.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 33d 20h 29m 32s ago, saying: '`0660: www.nosocomia.com/n810-gentoo :) It could work better, ... but it works.'.
Jan 24 22:14:46 <FireFox> radic: he's from Denmark
Jan 24 22:16:15 <radic> Lego
Jan 24 22:16:17 <radic> :)
Jan 24 22:16:58 <radic> Stskeeps: is your house made of lego bricks? ;)
Jan 24 22:17:17 <Stskeeps> radic: no, concrete, but you would think so..
Jan 24 22:17:39 <slonopotamus> hmm
Jan 24 22:18:05 <slonopotamus> that fauxmight's message is not found in irc log
Jan 24 22:18:31 * Jaffa yawns
Jan 24 22:18:44 <Stskeeps> slonopotamus: in between a split maybe
Jan 24 22:21:34 <slonopotamus> i almost built xorg :)
Jan 24 22:21:57 <Stskeeps> slonopotamus: how long time so far? ;P
Jan 24 22:22:11 <radic> Stskeeps: I think you should do your next hilydays in germany and visit me
Jan 24 22:22:37 <Stskeeps> radic: my next holidays is in berlin to visit my fiancée who's expatriated, :P
Jan 24 22:22:44 <slonopotamus> don't count. it build when i sleep
Jan 24 22:23:01 <radic> Stskeeps: you're speaking german?
Jan 24 22:23:02 <dumbowl> Hello. Good to find an active group.
Jan 24 22:23:15 <Stskeeps> radic: last time i tried to speak german i almost ended up at a police station
Jan 24 22:23:20 <Stskeeps> so, no, i don't
Jan 24 22:23:22 <slonopotamus> wanna use paludis instead of emerge. it's too slow.
Jan 24 22:23:22 <woglinde> stskeep lol
Jan 24 22:23:38 <woglinde> stskeep when will you be here?
Jan 24 22:23:48 <radic> Stskeeps: cause you speaked german?
Jan 24 22:23:53 <Stskeeps> woglinde: think a weekend sometime in early march
Jan 24 22:24:16 <Stskeeps> radic: no, because i tried to explain to the taxi driver the hotel was supposed to have paid for the trip between the two hotels cos the hotel fucked up miserably..
Jan 24 22:24:22 <Stskeeps> and i didn't have a single euro on me..
Jan 24 22:24:57 <Stskeeps> which now means i always have currency on me when i'm abroad :P
Jan 24 22:25:44 <radic> Stskeeps: next time let it write down on a paper withe a signature
Jan 24 22:25:50 <dob> Stskeeps: in which file does bootmenu go through the .item files during boot?
Jan 24 22:25:56 <Stskeeps> dob: /etc/bootmenu.conf
Jan 24 22:26:44 <Stskeeps> radic: next time i don't get into that situation
Jan 24 22:26:44 <dob> slonopotamus: it's there :) #maemo_090105.log:15:16:59
Jan 24 22:26:44 <Stskeeps> :P
Jan 24 22:26:58 <dob> gmt+2
Jan 24 22:27:13 <radic> Stskeeps: If you are in germany, you can do a trip to Würzburg
Jan 24 22:28:33 <dob> Stskeeps: oh, right, thanks
Jan 24 22:29:15 <Stskeeps> radic: far down :P
Jan 24 22:29:36 <radic> hmm
Jan 24 22:29:52 <radic> my N800 switched on auomaticly
Jan 24 22:30:02 <Stskeeps> yeah, mine does that occasionally
Jan 24 22:30:05 <Stskeeps> it spooks the hell out of me
Jan 24 22:30:12 <radic> <-- confused
Jan 24 22:30:48 <FireFox> Stskeeps: it is possessed
Jan 24 22:31:23 <Stskeeps> FireFox: i wouldn't be surprised after all the curses i've shouted near it..
Jan 24 22:31:30 <jaska> the nokia security agency is using it to spy on you
Jan 24 22:31:31 <FireFox> lol
Jan 24 22:31:45 <Stskeeps> ah, -that's- what NSA stands for
Jan 24 22:31:51 <jaska> yeah
Jan 24 22:31:57 <Stskeeps> and their insistence of people using their phones..
Jan 24 22:32:02 <FireFox> hehe, lol   XD
Jan 24 22:32:28 <dob> so is there something wrong with my mer .item file? modules are mbcache, jbd, ext3 and fstype is ext3
Jan 24 22:32:41 <RST38h> Strange how nobody has menitioned mind control via GSM towers...
Jan 24 22:32:49 <Stskeeps> dob: it shows the "Booting Mer"?
Jan 24 22:32:54 <Stskeeps> RST38h: oh no, now you've started it
Jan 24 22:32:55 <Stskeeps> :P
Jan 24 22:34:13 <dob> Stskeeps: it hangs at "pivoting root and starting /sbin/init" for ~15 secs before rebooting
Jan 24 22:34:21 <Stskeeps> dob: sec
Jan 24 22:35:23 <Stskeeps> does it say setting time from retu..?
Jan 24 22:35:59 <dob> Stskeeps: yes
Jan 24 22:36:15 <Stskeeps> check you have gnutar on your maemo (tar --version)
Jan 24 22:36:23 <Stskeeps> and that /sbin/init exists :P
Jan 24 22:36:37 * FireFox wonders if you could apply a hack to give our tablets ext4 support..
Jan 24 22:37:00 <AStorm> hack?
Jan 24 22:37:06 <AStorm> just build the newer kernel
Jan 24 22:37:22 <AStorm> the trick is if the new wifi driver will work with current tools
Jan 24 22:37:29 <radic> Stskeeps: for what ist the observability.ko?
Jan 24 22:37:33 <Stskeeps> radic: no clue
Jan 24 22:37:54 <radic> Stskeeps: It lets my N800 crashe
Jan 24 22:37:58 <Stskeeps> looks like a mach-omap2 thing
Jan 24 22:38:16 <AStorm> it's funny debug stuff
Jan 24 22:38:37 <AStorm> you don't need it actually
Jan 24 22:38:49 <radic> AStorm: the observbility.ko?
Jan 24 22:38:53 <AStorm> yeah
Jan 24 22:39:02 <radic> ahh, ok
Jan 24 22:39:19 <radic> now I dosn't compile it...
Jan 24 22:40:28 <radic> AStorm: what do I need for USB-mouse-support?
Jan 24 22:40:47 <AStorm> usb input is there I think
Jan 24 22:40:52 <AStorm> you need xorg driver
Jan 24 22:41:00 <AStorm> and non-transparent cursor
Jan 24 22:41:51 <AStorm> xorg-input-evdev should work
Jan 24 22:42:30 <radic> ok, I'll try it
Jan 24 22:42:58 <radic> but first I need a configuration that I can use the N800 again
Jan 24 22:45:15 <radic> AStorm: can I include the source for rt73usb support into the maemo-kernel?
Jan 24 22:45:56 <AStorm> if it works on arm, then yes
Jan 24 22:46:00 <AStorm> otherwise, no :)
Jan 24 22:46:12 <AStorm> not all of the drivers work on ARM... I think this one does
Jan 24 22:46:26 <AStorm> you'll need a power source for n8x0 built-in hub
Jan 24 22:46:26 <radic> rt73usb has full aircrack-ng support :)
Jan 24 22:47:10 <AStorm> see, n8x0 provides low-power USB - 100 mA max current afaicr
Jan 24 22:47:24 <AStorm> too little for wifi, definitely
Jan 24 22:48:53 <radic> my hub needs 5V
Jan 24 22:49:18 <radic> is it a problem if I connect it to a 6V akku?
Jan 24 22:49:53 <dob> Stskeeps: gnu tar is on maemo and /sbin/init exists
Jan 24 22:49:57 <Stskeeps> dob: hmmm.
Jan 24 22:50:18 <Stskeeps> dob: tablet type?
Jan 24 22:50:29 <Stskeeps> and FS type
Jan 24 22:50:33 <Stskeeps> and i'd like to see the item to
Jan 24 22:50:33 <Stskeeps> o
Jan 24 22:55:08 <dob> Stskeeps: N800, ext3, http://rafb.net/p/J9dRZH23.html
Jan 24 22:55:37 <Stskeeps> looks correct
Jan 24 22:55:50 <Stskeeps> is that the item in /mnt/initfs/etc/bootmenu.d too?
Jan 24 22:57:11 <Stskeeps> dob: but i'm honestly wondering what goes wrong here :)
Jan 24 22:57:29 <Stskeeps> if mer rescue menu doesn't come up, something went awry way earlier
Jan 24 22:57:53 <b-man> (random information) - ubuntu-desktop successfully installed..... finally
Jan 24 23:01:03 * FireFox eats dinner
Jan 24 23:02:06 <dob> Stskeeps: yes, it's there too
Jan 24 23:02:25 <Stskeeps> dob: what kernel are you on?
Jan 24 23:02:34 <Stskeeps> (and maemo version)
Jan 24 23:04:23 * Stskeeps glares at his snapshot
Jan 24 23:04:29 <Stskeeps> HAL seems to have bent over quite badly
Jan 24 23:05:45 <dob> Stskeeps: 2.6.21-omap1 and 5.2008.43-7
Jan 24 23:07:54 <Stskeeps> dob: mkfs.ext3 the fs again, wget http://stskeeps.subnetmask.net/mer/mer-armel-n8x0-image-v0.6.tar.gz, tar pzxvf it on the partition, chroot . passwd root
Jan 24 23:10:50 <lopz> hola
Jan 24 23:12:23 <VDVsx> dob, you can also try to install Mer by the easy way :)
Jan 24 23:12:49 <Stskeeps> VDVsx: i think he did
Jan 24 23:12:52 <dob> VDVsx: I've tried, didn't work :)
Jan 24 23:14:57 <VDVsx> dob, do you run refresh_bootmenu.d , after the merInstaller finish the installation ?
Jan 24 23:15:03 <Stskeeps> VDVsx: checked that
Jan 24 23:15:13 <Stskeeps> he gets into linuxrc just fine
Jan 24 23:15:16 <Stskeeps> but dies at init
Jan 24 23:15:33 <VDVsx> strange
Jan 24 23:15:45 <dob> what modules does ext3 depend on or does it matter if I just mount as ext2?
Jan 24 23:15:56 <Stskeeps> dob: mbcache jbd ext3
Jan 24 23:20:21 <Stskeeps> oh this so better not be a bug like im thinking..
Jan 24 23:20:32 <dob> btw, why is the mer image .tar.gz left there after installation?
Jan 24 23:20:33 <Stskeeps> (my problem with HAL)
Jan 24 23:20:58 <Stskeeps> dob: i guess it comes in handy when rm -rfing everything but the tar.gz
Jan 24 23:21:06 <Stskeeps> to get a new snapshot
Jan 24 23:21:11 <Stskeeps> besides that, no, it probably shouldn't stay there
Jan 24 23:21:25 * b-man takes note ;)
Jan 24 23:22:20 <Stskeeps> FireFox16: btw heads up
Jan 24 23:22:39 <Stskeeps> xserver-xorg-input-synaptic should stay far away from n8x0 users
Jan 24 23:22:44 <Stskeeps> it tries to steal tslib's input device
Jan 24 23:22:52 <Stskeeps> so touchscreen dies
Jan 24 23:22:59 <radic> how can I build an initfs image?
Jan 24 23:23:09 <FireFox16> in the latest version???
Jan 24 23:23:19 <Stskeeps> FireFox16: yeah
Jan 24 23:23:37 * FireFox16 dpkg --removes the package
Jan 24 23:23:41 <Stskeeps> hehe
Jan 24 23:23:41 <dob> I'll go stuff my face ->
Jan 24 23:23:45 <Stskeeps> dob: ?
Jan 24 23:26:01 <FireFox16> xserver-xorg-input-all: Depends: xserver-xorg-input-synaptics    hmmm :(
Jan 24 23:26:20 <Stskeeps> FireFox16: just remove that one too
Jan 24 23:26:22 <Stskeeps> it's safe
Jan 24 23:26:35 * Jaffa beds
Jan 24 23:27:22 <Stskeeps> i really don't hope this bug with HAL not starting is what i think it is: lack of a root password makes it not want to start
Jan 24 23:27:27 <dob> Stskeeps: you know, take nourishment
Jan 24 23:27:30 <Stskeeps> dob: ah
Jan 24 23:36:53 * FireFox16 finally gets around to booting ubuntu - hopes no serious problems come up
Jan 24 23:46:55 <FireFox16> hmm, it looks like gdm failed to sstart because network manager could not find wlan0
Jan 24 23:47:07 <Stskeeps> FireFox16: did you set a root password per chance?
Jan 24 23:47:15 <FireFox16> yes
Jan 24 23:47:44 <Stskeeps> k
Jan 24 23:47:54 * Stskeeps is exploring a weirdass bug.
Jan 24 23:48:06 <FireFox16> hehe
Jan 24 23:49:10 <Stskeeps> and i really don't hope it's that :)
Jan 24 23:50:07 <FireFox16> heh
Jan 24 23:50:09 <woglinde> good nite
Jan 24 23:50:20 <FireFox16> g'night
Jan 24 23:54:31 <AStorm> hey, is the omapfb driver in mainline Xorg?
Jan 24 23:54:40 <Stskeeps> don't think so just yet
Jan 24 23:54:45 <AStorm> mhm.
Jan 24 23:54:47 <Stskeeps> http://gitweb.pingu.fi/?p=xf86-video-omapfb.git;a=summary
Jan 24 23:59:35 <Stskeepz> oh ffs
Jan 24 23:59:45 <Stskeepz> if your root password isn't set, HAL freaks out completely.
Jan 25 00:00:13 <r2d2rogers> that's funky
Jan 25 00:00:13 <Stskeepz> qwerty12_N800: that's why your jffs image failed to have wifi
Jan 25 00:08:10 <Stskeeps> ok, so that wasn't it.
Jan 25 00:10:22 <Talus46_n810> greetings
Jan 25 00:10:49 <Talus46_n810> any news about next n900 ?
Jan 25 00:17:20 <Stskeeps> great. HAL crashes.
Jan 25 00:17:41 <FireFox16> hm
Jan 25 00:19:04 <FireFox16> do you think my gdm problem could be caused by that?
Jan 25 00:19:16 <Stskeeps> possible
Jan 25 00:20:57 <dob> Stskeeps: so, what's the point of chroot . passwd root?
Jan 25 00:21:19 <Stskeeps> dob: setting a root password, always good to have when sshing in :P
Jan 25 00:30:00 <dob> Stskeeps: and what do I do after setting the password? :)
Jan 25 00:30:06 <Stskeeps> dob: reboot
Jan 25 00:30:34 <Stskeeps> er, preferably umount first
Jan 25 00:40:22 <dob> Stskeeps: identical symptoms
Jan 25 00:40:35 <Stskeeps> dob: i'm absolutely baffled.
Jan 25 00:40:53 <Stskeeps> dob: do you let it wait for a bit or does it just reboot?
Jan 25 00:43:33 <dob> Stskeeps: it just reboots itself after ~20 secs
Jan 25 00:44:11 <Stskeeps> dob: only thing i can advise is reflashing initfs with a normal one, then installing deblet bootmenu.d again from rootfs
Jan 25 00:44:22 <Stskeeps> (it will re-make the bootmenu icons)
Jan 25 00:44:56 <Stskeeps> er, items
Jan 25 00:45:07 <r2d2rogers>  Stskeeps I'm confused on why I need to reboot a couple of times before I get to X today...
Jan 25 00:45:15 <Stskeeps> r2d2rogers: i think HAL is hosed
Jan 25 00:45:42 <r2d2rogers> so I should avoid apt-get upgrade for right now?
Jan 25 00:45:55 <Stskeeps> what hal version do you have?
Jan 25 00:46:21 <r2d2rogers> or right now?
Jan 25 00:46:21 <r2d2rogers> 20090124 18:44:38 [ Stskeeps] what hal version do you have?
Jan 25 00:46:25 <r2d2rogers> blah
Jan 25 00:46:30 <r2d2rogers> HAL package version: 0.5.12
Jan 25 00:47:38 <timeless> ping
Jan 25 00:47:44 <timeless> imagine you're "somewhere"
Jan 25 00:47:49 <timeless> and you try to find "things"
Jan 25 00:47:54 <timeless> and you get a window
Jan 25 00:48:00 <timeless> what kind of title would you want for this title?
Jan 25 00:48:03 <timeless> err window
Jan 25 00:48:30 <Stskeeps> Search results for 'a'? :P
Jan 25 00:48:36 <timeless> you're greedy
Jan 25 00:48:36 <r2d2rogers> ti depends what I knew...
Jan 25 00:48:50 <timeless> you can't know what you searched for because the app is stupid :)
Jan 25 00:48:54 <timeless> it comes w/ diablo
Jan 25 00:49:01 <r2d2rogers> I might be happy with today's schedule ;0
Jan 25 00:49:16 <timeless> currently it says "Search"
Jan 25 00:49:25 <r2d2rogers> heh I went too metaphysical.
Jan 25 00:49:40 <r2d2rogers> just watched Wall-E
Jan 25 00:49:42 <timeless> i'm tempted to make it say "results"
Jan 25 00:49:50 <r2d2rogers> WFM
Jan 25 00:49:52 <Stskeeps> r2d2rogers: http://rafb.net/p/soJ1lk62.html
Jan 25 00:50:04 <Stskeeps> is what i'm seeing in HAL
Jan 25 00:50:15 <Stskeeps> can you see if your hald is running when it crashes?
Jan 25 00:51:32 <r2d2rogers> Stskeeps:  rebooting to see if I get fail
Jan 25 00:51:41 <FireFox16> i think i found the gdm problem; xserver-xorg fails to start.... and it displays a blue screen XD
Jan 25 00:51:59 <Stskeeps> FireFox16: hehe. does your 'hald' start?
Jan 25 00:52:05 <FireFox16> yes
Jan 25 00:52:13 <Stskeeps> start, but is it still there? :P
Jan 25 00:52:26 <Stskeeps> mine says it starts but it dies right away :)
Jan 25 00:52:34 <FireFox16> hmm
Jan 25 00:52:57 <r2d2rogers> figures... it's working now...
Jan 25 00:52:59 * FireFox16 wonders why xserver-xorg fails to start
Jan 25 00:53:07 <Stskeeps> anyone here with a typical hackable phone? (PXA270)
Jan 25 00:53:12 <Stskeeps> r2d2rogers: it acts randomly for me
Jan 25 00:53:34 <r2d2rogers> cold boot this time
Jan 25 00:53:48 <r2d2rogers> I have a RAZR v3xx
Jan 25 00:53:52 <FireFox16> Stskeeps: any idias to the xorg problem? :)
Jan 25 00:54:06 <Stskeeps> r2d2rogers: quite closed though?
Jan 25 00:54:11 <r2d2rogers> yup
Jan 25 00:54:14 <Stskeeps> FireFox16: yes, HAL dying
Jan 25 00:54:23 <FireFox16> hehe
Jan 25 00:54:34 <Stskeeps> FireFox16: grab your Xorg.0.log and put it somewhere
Jan 25 00:54:40 <r2d2rogers> booting fine now
Jan 25 00:54:41 <FireFox16> k
Jan 25 00:55:55 <r2d2rogers> try the updated packages?
Jan 25 00:56:37 <Stskeeps> yeah, go ahead
Jan 25 00:57:13 <r2d2rogers> planning on retrying the wireless modules from maemo next
Jan 25 00:57:27 <Stskeeps> they might have to be patched to allow for iwconfig and such
Jan 25 01:00:06 <FireFox16> Stskeeps; http://filebin.ca/bsqrpb/log.tar.gz - i packaged up a tar.gz of my system logs
Jan 25 01:04:34 * Stskeeps tests out new HIM
Jan 25 01:05:02 <FireFox16> Stskeeps: did you look at those logs? :)
Jan 25 01:06:15 <Stskeeps> my, that's a lot of porn you've been downloading.
Jan 25 01:06:36 <Stskeeps> FireFox16: your xorg.conf is messed up
Jan 25 01:06:42 <Stskeeps> Parse error on line 50 of section Screen in file /etc/X11/xorg.conf Unexpected EOF. Missing EndSection keyword?
Jan 25 01:07:17 <FireFox16> no
Jan 25 01:07:27 <dob> Stskeeps: by installing bootmenu.d you mean just install_bootmenu?
Jan 25 01:07:27 <Stskeeps> that's what your xorg tells me :P
Jan 25 01:07:37 <Stskeeps> dob: yeah, or utilities->install bootmenu
Jan 25 01:07:42 <Stskeeps> it will copy in the items too
Jan 25 01:07:50 <FireFox16> i'll pastebin the xorg.conf file
Jan 25 01:09:43 <FireFox16> Stskeeps: http://pastebin.ca/1317561
Jan 25 01:10:45 <Stskeeps> in /etc/X11/xorg.conf ?
Jan 25 01:11:03 <FireFox16> yes
Jan 25 01:11:24 <Stskeeps> you're right, that looks OK
Jan 25 01:11:31 <Stskeeps> corrupted FS?
Jan 25 01:11:45 <lcuk> gnite ppl \o
Jan 25 01:11:47 <FireFox16> oh, no 0_o
Jan 25 01:11:51 <Stskeeps> or a missing newline after line 51
Jan 25 01:12:00 <Stskeeps> (i can see i have one in mine)
Jan 25 01:12:18 <FireFox16> oh, that might be it
Jan 25 01:12:44 * FireFox16 adds newline and boots into ubuntu
Jan 25 01:12:56 <dob> Stskeeps: no improvement
Jan 25 01:14:09 <Stskeeps> dob: and this is on a fresh initfs?
Jan 25 01:14:17 <dob> Stskeeps: yes
Jan 25 01:15:06 <Stskeeps> dob: can you pastebin me your /etc/bootmenu.conf from maemo?
Jan 25 01:16:56 <dob> Stskeeps: http://rafb.net/p/VD0Kzr61.html
Jan 25 01:18:57 <Stskeeps> right, i'm out of ideas. only way we can diagnose this is through a framebuffer console and i'm too tired to set this up atm :P
Jan 25 01:19:11 <Stskeeps> try this..
Jan 25 01:19:39 <Stskeeps> after exec /usr/sbin/chroot . /sbin/init 2 <dev/console >dev/console 2>&1
Jan 25 01:19:47 <Stskeeps> add text2screen -s 2 -H center -y 100 -T 0 -t "pivot root and starting /sbin/init.."
Jan 25 01:19:53 <Stskeeps> change text to "failed to boot"
Jan 25 01:19:58 <Stskeeps> in linuxrc
Jan 25 01:25:04 <timeless> ok
Jan 25 01:25:15 <timeless> anyone here use the feed reader?
Jan 25 01:25:20 * timeless has a question about it
Jan 25 01:30:31 <dob> Stskeeps: the added text didn't appear
Jan 25 01:33:20 <Pavlz> hello
Jan 25 01:33:27 <Stskeeps> dob: change bootmenu item to rw and do > root/log instead of > dev/console
Jan 25 01:33:31 <Stskeeps> instead of ro
Jan 25 01:34:33 <Pavlz> nokia refuses to give support to theora
Jan 25 01:34:42 <Pavlz> we can do ourself
Jan 25 01:36:12 <fauxmight> ping slonopotamus
Jan 25 01:36:12 <Stskeeps> and you don't have any special kernels or something like that?
Jan 25 01:36:35 <fauxmight> ~seen slonopotomaus
Jan 25 01:36:37 <infobot> fauxmight: i haven't seen 'slonopotomaus'
Jan 25 01:36:38 <Stskeeps> fauxmight: i'm really impressed with how you two can manage to miss eachother :P
Jan 25 01:36:52 <fauxmight> Yeah, apologies for the crosstraffic.
Jan 25 01:37:02 <Stskeeps> hehe, wasn't referring to that :)
Jan 25 01:39:06 <dob> Stskeeps: not that I know of :)
Jan 25 01:40:36 <fauxmight> Stskeeps: 11 hr diff timezones might have something to do with it :)
Jan 25 01:40:51 <Stskeeps> fauxmight: yea
Jan 25 01:41:25 * Stskeeps doesn't understand why HAL crashes
Jan 25 01:45:12 <dob> Stskeeps: btw, what does init do with the dev/console input?
Jan 25 01:46:29 <Stskeeps> dob: probably if there's like fsck input or whatever needed
Jan 25 01:47:14 <dob> Stskeeps: wtf, I see the progress bar :O
Jan 25 01:47:23 <dob> and it's beautiful!
Jan 25 01:47:54 <Stskeeps> dob: ...
Jan 25 01:48:06 <Stskeeps> dob: this shouldn't have happened obviously
Jan 25 01:51:00 <robink> The N810W is no more :(
Jan 25 01:51:21 <Stskeeps> so it goes
Jan 25 01:51:46 <robink> I still wanted one
Jan 25 01:51:53 <smackpotato> i wonder if they will sell for a premium
Jan 25 01:51:59 <robink> I dunno
Jan 25 01:52:03 <robink> I'm going to see if I can find one
Jan 25 01:52:18 <FireFox16> HUGE success with ubuntu - even the keyboard fully works!!
Jan 25 01:52:22 <robink> Clearw're will have a fully WiMAX-compliant network in kitsap county by the end of this year.
Jan 25 01:53:03 * FireFox16 trys installing xchat in ubuntu :)
Jan 25 01:53:07 <timeless> ping ping
Jan 25 01:53:12 <robink> timeless: pong
Jan 25 01:53:13 <timeless> anyone here use rss feed reader?
Jan 25 01:54:20 * timeless is looking for information about a certain dialog
Jan 25 01:54:34 <Stskeeps> FireFox16: what was it?
Jan 25 01:54:59 <FireFox16> a missing newline :p
Jan 25 01:55:34 <FireFox16> but i'm still getting lony errors about wlan0
Jan 25 01:55:35 <Stskeeps> told you
Jan 25 01:55:43 <smackpotato> so my 770 is happy in its new life as a remote thermometer sending temperatures to twitter
Jan 25 01:55:47 <FireFox16> hehe
Jan 25 01:56:00 <Stskeeps> smackpotato: in a potato field? :P
Jan 25 01:56:18 <FireFox16> lol
Jan 25 01:56:30 <smackpotato> sure lol so my pipes dont freeze
Jan 25 01:56:31 <timeless> smackpotato: do you have it handy?
Jan 25 01:56:44 <smackpotato> my 770
Jan 25 01:56:48 <timeless> yes
Jan 25 01:56:54 <timeless> can you try something for me?
Jan 25 01:56:54 <smackpotato> yes
Jan 25 01:56:58 <timeless> open the feed reader
Jan 25 01:57:07 <smackpotato> k
Jan 25 01:57:09 <timeless> in the menu, there should be a refresh item
Jan 25 01:58:20 <smackpotato> the icon yes
Jan 25 01:58:36 <timeless> icon?
Jan 25 01:59:14 <timeless> it's something like app menu>tools>refresh
Jan 25 01:59:15 <smackpotato> yes two arrows pointing at each other
Jan 25 01:59:22 <timeless> ignore the toolbar, i think
Jan 25 02:00:07 <smackpotato> it in tools yes
Jan 25 02:00:14 <timeless> what happens if you select it?
Jan 25 02:00:20 * FireFox16 leaves to do some more testing with ubuntu's performance
Jan 25 02:01:12 <smackpotato> it says refresh feeds pressing gives the option all feeds or select feeds
Jan 25 02:01:22 <timeless> ok
Jan 25 02:01:26 <timeless> so the dialog did exist
Jan 25 02:01:31 <timeless> do you have an n800/n810?
Jan 25 02:01:45 <AtomicSpark> Is there a maemo suggestion box? :P
Jan 25 02:01:47 <smackpotato> yes im on the 810
Jan 25 02:01:52 <Stskeeps> AtomicSpark: bugs.maemo.org :P
Jan 25 02:02:02 <timeless> do you get that dialog on the n810?
Jan 25 02:02:19 <timeless> hrm, ok, i do... gah
Jan 25 02:03:23 * timeless eyes the dialog
Jan 25 02:03:32 * timeless considers poking both eyes out
Jan 25 02:03:48 <smackpotato> no but im not subscribed to any feeds might make a diferance
Jan 25 02:03:49 <AtomicSpark> I'll have to look to see if it's been requested, but I'd like to see a "lock applets" option under the home menu. This would prevent applets being moved and thus prevent me accedently moving them when I wake my screen up.
Jan 25 02:04:01 <timeless> it's ok
Jan 25 02:04:03 <Stskeeps> AtomicSpark: it'll come in fremantle
Jan 25 02:04:03 <Stskeeps> :P
Jan 25 02:04:05 <timeless> i hit the dialog i was afraid of
Jan 25 02:04:11 <timeless> now i have to figure out what to do about it
Jan 25 02:04:17 <Stskeeps> AtomicSpark: trust me, i'd love that thing too :P
Jan 25 02:05:19 <AtomicSpark> Also, for pidgin to not blank my screen when using its... taskbar icon to show/hide it. :\
Jan 25 02:05:28 * AtomicSpark had to disable show taskbar icon always
Jan 25 02:05:51 <Stskeeps> pidgin's 3rd party so complain to the person making the port :)
Jan 25 02:07:28 <GAN800> Opening stuff from the notification area really needs to be faster in Fremantle.
Jan 25 02:07:42 <GAN800> It's obscenely slow and unreliable as-is.
Jan 25 02:08:57 <AtomicSpark> I've only had my n810 for 3 days now. :)
Jan 25 02:11:39 <robink> Woah, you can run Freemantle?
Jan 25 02:11:56 <smackpotato> atomic on the left side of the n810 the top button is what you hit when pidgen acts up
Jan 25 02:12:35 <AtomicSpark> smackpotato: the "home dropdown menu"?
Jan 25 02:12:56 <AtomicSpark> Also. I like this Mer thing. Is this the new UI for the next major release?
Jan 25 02:13:07 <smackpotato> no on the top
Jan 25 02:13:25 <smackpotato> abouve the escape button
Jan 25 02:13:40 <Stskeeps> AtomicSpark: no, it's a community project done by insane individuals in the community. Fremantle is Nokia's next Maemo 5
Jan 25 02:13:55 <Stskeeps> AtomicSpark: Mer is what will bring you Fremantle components to N8x0 :P
Jan 25 02:14:23 <Stskeeps> ~mer
Jan 25 02:14:24 <infobot> mer is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer
Jan 25 02:15:35 <AtomicSpark> So Freemantle will be for n900?
Jan 25 02:15:43 <Stskeeps> yeah
Jan 25 02:16:17 <robink> The N900 will happen?
Jan 25 02:16:22 <Stskeeps> rx-51 :P
Jan 25 02:16:26 <AtomicSpark> Of course.
Jan 25 02:16:43 <GAN800> robink, s/Freemantle/Fremantle/g :)
Jan 25 02:17:00 <robink> ops
Jan 25 02:18:09 <AtomicSpark> Seems like Mer is a fork or a derivative of maemo
Jan 25 02:19:48 <Stskeeps> it's more maemo than ubuntu, and more ubuntu than maemo
Jan 25 02:19:53 <Stskeeps> tries to mix the two world
Jan 25 02:19:53 <Stskeeps> s
Jan 25 02:20:18 <AtomicSpark> Ubuntu has a cute little tablet edition now.
Jan 25 02:21:18 <Stskeeps> yeah, which requires a nuclear power plant
Jan 25 02:21:19 <Stskeeps> :P
Jan 25 02:21:39 <Stskeeps> if you're referring to the netbook edition
Jan 25 02:21:47 <AtomicSpark> The MID edition.
Jan 25 02:22:03 <Stskeeps> *nod*
Jan 25 02:22:24 <Stskeeps> those don't get as good power savings as these tablets, so :)
Jan 25 02:28:12 <AtomicSpark> Hmm.
Jan 25 02:30:58 <bef0rd> hi
Jan 25 02:31:02 <dob> Stskeeps: I added sync to the fsoptions and I get this in root/log: /usr/sbin/chroot: cannot run command `/sbin/init': Permission denied
Jan 25 02:32:37 <Stskeeps> dob: hmm.
Jan 25 02:33:02 <Stskeeps> dob: ls -l sbin/init? :P
Jan 25 02:35:03 <Stskeeps> dob: my next theory is possible SD card damage
Jan 25 02:39:13 <dob> :P -rwxr-xr-x    1 root     root       124964 Nov 15 01:44 sbin/init
Jan 25 02:41:49 <Stskeeps> dob: too sleepy now :P i gtg to bed
Jan 25 02:41:50 <Stskeeps> bbl
Jan 25 02:41:55 <AtomicSpark> maemo downloads needs to add a 2008.1 section. many apps wont download now with the diablo version. L
Jan 25 02:41:59 <AtomicSpark> :\
Jan 25 02:42:49 <dob> Stskeeps: ditto ->
Jan 25 02:57:04 * b-man fixes the hal problem in mer by installing the debian version of hal ;)
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