**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Feb 04 02:59:58 2009
Feb 04 03:04:06 <Jucato> ah well, I can create an account and seemingly connect.. but can't seem to send messages..
Feb 04 03:04:13 <Jucato> (Network Error)
Feb 04 03:09:42 <Jucato> ah it seems I can connect, but can't send...
Feb 04 03:16:21 <lcuk> http://liqbase.net/liq.20090204_005635.lib.scr.png :)
Feb 04 03:17:23 <GeneralAntilles> liqos
Feb 04 03:17:50 <lcuk> standing on the shoulders mate :) linux has a good heart
Feb 04 03:22:05 <GeneralAntilles> Stupid piece of shit client
Feb 04 03:22:56 <GeneralAntilles> Occasionally new messages cause the window they appear in to stop drawing. <_<
Feb 04 03:25:03 <benson> lcuk: Can it read mail? (Zawinski's law!)
Feb 04 03:27:24 <lcuk> benson :) no i dont know it.  but if you do, you are free to make a widget that does
Feb 04 03:28:53 <benson> Well, if such a widget can be made, you are all but guaranteed survival!
Feb 04 03:28:58 <benson> http://catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/Z/Zawinskis-Law.html
Feb 04 03:29:33 <lcuk> !!
Feb 04 03:30:01 <lcuk> i need to go back to bed anyway :) gnite
Feb 04 03:30:13 <b-man> see ya lcuk
Feb 04 03:30:26 <benson> nite
Feb 04 03:31:16 * b-man fixed the xserver-xorg-input-tslibs problem btw, just uploaded an un-modified version from mer repo :P
Feb 04 04:22:20 <genewitch> tee: /proc/sys/kernel/vdso: Operation not permitted :-(
Feb 04 04:25:49 <genewitch> error:  "Operation not permitted" setting key "vm.vdso_enabled"
Feb 04 04:25:55 <genewitch> grrrrrrr
Feb 04 04:28:18 <genewitch> why is that vdso breaking everything
Feb 04 04:28:28 <genewitch> i can't edit the value of that on my shell
Feb 04 04:40:59 <skibur> hey
Feb 04 04:41:09 <skibur> can we run java apps on N800 Diablo?
Feb 04 04:43:03 <Mousey> HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHA, no
Feb 04 04:43:08 <Mousey> sucks eh?
Feb 04 04:43:14 <Mousey> WELL I AGREE!!
Feb 04 04:43:21 <Mousey> write your local nokia representative!!
Feb 04 04:43:25 <Mousey> lol
Feb 04 04:43:28 <GeneralAntilles> Er, well, that's not entirely accurate
Feb 04 04:43:32 <GeneralAntilles> Jalimo is available.
Feb 04 04:43:57 <Mousey> that's not an entire jvm, so i guess you're right.
Feb 04 04:43:58 <Mousey> ;)
Feb 04 04:44:25 * Mousey causes trouble
Feb 04 04:49:28 <skibur> so I can't use Javac ?
Feb 04 04:50:11 <genewitch> so we need a java port?
Feb 04 04:52:06 <skibur> so javac hasn't been ported?
Feb 04 05:37:13 <slonopotamus> morning
Feb 04 05:39:17 <slonopotamus>  
Feb 04 07:45:33 <kessu> hi, i installed dropbear-server os2008 but forgot to set any passwd for root, has diablo root any default passwd?
Feb 04 07:50:12 <Stskeeps> 'rootme' maybe
Feb 04 07:50:28 <kessu> thanks i try that
Feb 04 07:58:45 <Stskeeps> morning
Feb 04 08:10:00 <Stskeeps> johnx: poke
Feb 04 08:15:16 <Stskeeps> http://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/mer-pocketloox720.jpg <- Mer on a Pocket Loox 720
Feb 04 08:15:17 <Stskeeps> :)
Feb 04 08:30:00 <Stskeeps> morning Meiz_n810
Feb 04 08:30:17 <Meiz_n810> morning Sts
Feb 04 08:31:33 <Stskeeps> Meiz_n810: was bored earlier: http://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/mer-pocketloox720.jpg :>
Feb 04 08:34:39 <timeless> hello world
Feb 04 08:34:44 <timeless> where do bugs in MaemoPad live?
Feb 04 08:34:50 <timeless> does the SDK actually cover it?
Feb 04 08:34:57 <Meiz_n810> Stskeeps: neat, how big is that screen?
Feb 04 08:35:08 <Stskeeps> Meiz_n810: 480x640
Feb 04 08:35:16 <Stskeeps> not sure how much in inch
Feb 04 08:35:27 <Meiz_n810> k
Feb 04 08:35:43 <benson> 3.6"
Feb 04 08:35:55 * benson was already looking up the device.
Feb 04 08:37:46 <Stskeeps> besides the fact you need Haret to run linux, it's surprisingly friendly
Feb 04 08:53:12 <Stskeeps> and i has touchscreen!
Feb 04 08:55:12 <timeless> oh brother
Feb 04 08:55:15 * timeless kicks maemopad
Feb 04 09:01:13 <genewitch> can someone help me with scratchbox install
Feb 04 09:01:18 <genewitch> prtyplz
Feb 04 09:03:32 <Stskeeps> genewitch: using debian/ubuntu and using the scripts usually does the trick
Feb 04 09:10:25 <genewitch> Stskeeps: hey
Feb 04 09:10:34 <genewitch> Stskeeps: i am in ubuntu 32
Feb 04 09:10:45 <genewitch> i'm getting error after error after error
Feb 04 09:12:16 <genewitch> root@genewitch-desktop:/home/genewitch# scratchbox
Feb 04 09:12:16 <genewitch> ERROR: Not allowed to run this as root!
Feb 04 09:12:27 <genewitch> genewitch@genewitch-desktop:~$ scratchbox
Feb 04 09:12:27 <genewitch> bash: /usr/bin/scratchbox: Permission denied
Feb 04 09:12:50 <genewitch> guess what i /scratchbox/sbin/adduser named
Feb 04 09:13:34 <timeless> stskeeps: did you get around to using my debs?
Feb 04 09:15:09 <genewitch> :-(
Feb 04 09:18:15 <genewitch> where is the "run_this_first" script in scratchbox
Feb 04 09:18:48 <Stskeeps> genewitch: did you add yourself with the sbox adduser thing?
Feb 04 09:18:51 <Stskeeps> and re-login?
Feb 04 09:19:16 <genewitch> Stskeeps: what does relogin mean
Feb 04 09:19:26 <genewitch> i'm in a terminal in xwindows
Feb 04 09:19:34 <Stskeeps> genewitch: log in your user again to refresh your group permissions
Feb 04 09:19:55 <genewitch> oh, i can reboot.
Feb 04 09:20:24 <timeless> you could just use 'login'
Feb 04 09:20:28 <timeless> or ssh localhost
Feb 04 09:20:43 <genewitch> its in a vm
Feb 04 09:20:45 <genewitch> i'm rebooting
Feb 04 09:20:59 <genewitch> this is the third try for getting a devel environment
Feb 04 09:21:49 <timeless> just grab the one from mozilla.org
Feb 04 09:23:03 <genewitch> timeless: i tried the mer vdmk
Feb 04 09:23:12 <genewitch> i tried using my shell account but no vdso
Feb 04 09:23:22 <timeless> Mer isn't a scratchbox...
Feb 04 09:23:26 <timeless> it's the real OS
Feb 04 09:24:30 * timeless grumbles
Feb 04 09:26:24 <Stskeeps> http://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/mer-pocketloox-2.jpg <- we so need a better 480x640 theme
Feb 04 09:26:40 * timeless frowns
Feb 04 09:26:47 * timeless can't find it anymore
Feb 04 09:27:03 <timeless> yeah, that doesn't scale well
Feb 04 09:27:20 <timeless> sts: can you switch to 'stretched', or is that stretched?
Feb 04 09:27:39 <Stskeeps> timeless: hmm? didn't touch wallpaper
Feb 04 09:27:45 <Stskeeps> touchscreen driver dries out :)
Feb 04 09:27:52 <genewitch> timeless: ok so i installed mer vdmk
Feb 04 09:27:59 <genewitch> and i couldn't get anything to compile
Feb 04 09:28:05 <Stskeeps> genewitch: apt-get build-essential
Feb 04 09:28:06 <genewitch> it looked like the n800
Feb 04 09:28:10 <Stskeeps> genewitch: apt-get install build-essential
Feb 04 09:28:10 <Stskeeps> i mean
Feb 04 09:28:15 <Stskeeps> maybe dpkg-dev too
Feb 04 09:28:21 <genewitch> Stskeeps: i have [sbox-: ~]
Feb 04 09:28:33 <Stskeeps> genewitch: ok, so what are you trying to develop for exactly :)
Feb 04 09:28:40 <timeless> if you're using mer, there's no point in using scratchbox
Feb 04 09:29:04 <timeless> scratchbox is for when your host isn't debian
Feb 04 09:29:09 <timeless> e.g. CentOS
Feb 04 09:29:21 <timeless> or at least, that's that way it should be
Feb 04 09:29:24 <genewitch> Stskeeps: i've been trying to 12 hours and now i'm drunk. but i have an sbox login
Feb 04 09:29:27 <Stskeeps> timeless: er.. scratchbox is for accelerating cross-compilation
Feb 04 09:29:32 <genewitch> so i figure that's ready.
Feb 04 09:29:41 <Stskeeps> genewitch: well, i meant, what OS are you trying to develop for :)
Feb 04 09:29:44 <timeless> sts: sure
Feb 04 09:29:52 <genewitch> Stskeeps: er... armv61 n800
Feb 04 09:30:01 <genewitch> i want to port stuff for the people who use it
Feb 04 09:30:06 <Stskeeps> genewitch: yes, that's the machine, what OS? :P
Feb 04 09:30:10 <Stskeeps> Maemo or Mer
Feb 04 09:30:19 <genewitch> Stskeeps: OS2008
Feb 04 09:30:25 <timeless> don't use Mer then
Feb 04 09:30:27 <genewitch> the OS i have
Feb 04 09:30:40 <Stskeeps> alright - then you should look at the SDK VMDK's of Maemo then
Feb 04 09:30:41 <timeless> grab a nice simple CentOS VMware image w/ scratchbox
Feb 04 09:30:45 <genewitch> timeless: that was like 8 hours ago
Feb 04 09:30:46 <Stskeeps> Mer is a seperate OS :)
Feb 04 09:30:54 <genewitch> i installed ubuntu fresh
Feb 04 09:30:58 <genewitch> from ubuntu disc
Feb 04 09:31:00 <Stskeeps> k
Feb 04 09:31:01 <timeless> http://maemovmware.garage.maemo.org/
Feb 04 09:31:05 <genewitch> i used the two scripts
Feb 04 09:31:06 <timeless> that's one
Feb 04 09:31:18 <timeless> http://www.vmware.com/appliances/directory/702
Feb 04 09:31:20 <timeless> is another
Feb 04 09:31:55 * RockyDd wants to install git in n810
Feb 04 09:32:08 <timeless> rockydd: iirc it's available
Feb 04 09:32:33 <X-Fade> http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/diablo/free/g/git-core/
Feb 04 09:32:37 <RockyDd> what?
Feb 04 09:33:15 <timeless> x-fade: stupid question
Feb 04 09:33:28 <timeless> would you object if i renamed 'Internet call' to 'VoIP' ?
Feb 04 09:33:49 <X-Fade> Regular users wouldn't know VoIP..
Feb 04 09:33:57 <timeless> ok
Feb 04 09:34:00 <X-Fade> I would know what it is..
Feb 04 09:34:03 <timeless> so, here's my problem
Feb 04 09:34:09 <X-Fade> But my sister woud not..
Feb 04 09:34:11 <timeless> Internet call - This is Long
Feb 04 09:34:27 <timeless> When I try calling someone
Feb 04 09:34:28 <timeless> I see:
Feb 04 09:34:40 <X-Fade> net call? web call? :)
Feb 04 09:34:47 <timeless> Internet Call - Thomas Some...
Feb 04 09:35:02 <timeless> and Some isn't guaranteed to be unique
Feb 04 09:35:21 <X-Fade> timeless: Get rid of the ... and get 3 chars more ;)
Feb 04 09:35:30 <timeless> x-fade: beyond my control
Feb 04 09:35:43 <timeless> Net Call would buy me a couple of chars
Feb 04 09:36:06 <timeless> how about:
Feb 04 09:36:08 <timeless> 'net Call ?
Feb 04 09:37:09 <X-Fade> timeless: iCall [tm] ;)
Feb 04 09:37:16 <timeless> mCall?
Feb 04 09:37:20 <timeless> not going there
Feb 04 09:37:25 <RST38h> SIP.
Feb 04 09:37:42 <timeless> rst38h: the question again is "would your sister understand?"
Feb 04 09:37:56 <timeless> x-fade veto'd VoIP
Feb 04 09:38:13 <timeless> X-Fade: Voice Chat? :)
Feb 04 09:38:18 <X-Fade> net call is already streching it..
Feb 04 09:38:29 <Stskeeps> Phonebook -> Call
Feb 04 09:38:30 <Stskeeps> :P
Feb 04 09:38:42 <timeless> i can't just use "Call"
Feb 04 09:38:50 <timeless> i'd be arrested when someone couldn't make an e911 call
Feb 04 09:39:06 <Stskeeps> in MCE there's emergency call stuff :P
Feb 04 09:39:16 <Stskeeps> and some handler for emergency calls.. i'm sure it'll be there eventually
Feb 04 09:39:19 <X-Fade> Heh, imagine the horror when you translate that into Dutch "Internet gesprek"
Feb 04 09:39:28 <X-Fade> No space left ;)
Feb 04 09:41:14 <genewitch> i got voip working nicely
Feb 04 09:41:17 <genewitch> the other night
Feb 04 09:41:27 <genewitch> voip was well worth the $150 i spent
Feb 04 09:41:39 <Stskeeps> i seriously wonder who that Huang Gao guy is on maemo-developers
Feb 04 09:41:55 <Stskeeps> i'm curiously thinking it's those chinese internet tablet guys :P
Feb 04 09:42:10 <X-Fade> Stskeeps: Probably some OEM..
Feb 04 09:42:12 <genewitch> is the SDK supposed to be installed in scratchbox?
Feb 04 09:42:54 <Stskeeps> yes, the scripts will install into scratchbox
Feb 04 09:43:19 <timeless> so...
Feb 04 09:43:22 <timeless> i still need a string
Feb 04 09:43:29 <timeless> I'm tempted to use Voice Chat
Feb 04 09:43:46 <timeless> it buys me 3 chars
Feb 04 09:43:49 <timeless> which isn't bad
Feb 04 09:43:50 <X-Fade> timeless: Sounds reasonable.
Feb 04 09:43:53 <timeless> ok
Feb 04 09:45:36 * timeless wonders what "Call does not support video" means
Feb 04 09:45:57 <X-Fade> Other party doesn't support video ?
Feb 04 09:46:03 <timeless> nope
Feb 04 09:46:08 <genewitch> OIC
Feb 04 09:46:08 <Stskeeps> "No chance for webcam sex, dude."
Feb 04 09:46:09 <Stskeeps> :P
Feb 04 09:46:10 <genewitch> you know
Feb 04 09:46:13 <timeless> "Remote client unable to support video"
Feb 04 09:46:18 <genewitch> the docs don't say that
Feb 04 09:46:28 <timeless> =. "Remote party does not support video"
Feb 04 09:46:39 <timeless> what's a client and why did my user -- oh nevermind
Feb 04 09:47:22 <timeless> "End current call to start new call"
Feb 04 09:47:22 <genewitch> PEER CLOSED CONN
Feb 04 09:47:23 <genewitch> er
Feb 04 09:47:26 <genewitch> ^
Feb 04 09:47:33 <timeless> ok, so...
Feb 04 09:48:05 <timeless> is it true that you can only have one Voice Chat open at a time?
Feb 04 09:48:55 <timeless> => "Can only have one Voice Chat at a time"
Feb 04 09:48:55 <timeless> ?
Feb 04 09:49:06 <genewitch> where?
Feb 04 09:49:18 <timeless> 'Internet call'
Feb 04 09:49:24 <timeless> (name changed locally)
Feb 04 09:50:06 <genewitch> timeless: i've never tried to start more than one, but i can
Feb 04 09:50:11 <genewitch> you want me to try?
Feb 04 09:51:28 <genewitch> ...?
Feb 04 09:51:57 <timeless> sure
Feb 04 09:51:58 <Jaffa> Morning, all
Feb 04 09:52:05 <Stskeeps> morning jaffa
Feb 04 09:52:38 * Stskeeps ssh's into his pocket loox 720
Feb 04 09:53:07 <genewitch> timeless: it won't let me open more than one internet call
Feb 04 09:53:09 <genewitch> app
Feb 04 09:53:56 <timeless> x-fade, app="Voice Chat", what would you use to describe the act of trying to connect to your party
Feb 04 09:54:12 <timeless> if it were 'Internet call', it'd be 'calling'
Feb 04 09:54:13 <X-Fade> Call?
Feb 04 09:54:24 <timeless> i'm vaguely trying to avoid using call*
Feb 04 09:54:29 <X-Fade> Connecting?
Feb 04 09:54:32 <timeless> but if it's correct, i'll leave it out
Feb 04 09:54:42 <timeless> it seems Connecting exists and is distinct
Feb 04 09:54:58 <timeless> Calling is asking the other party for a chat
Feb 04 09:55:05 <timeless> Connecting is when the other party says yes
Feb 04 09:55:11 <timeless> and you need to establish a real channel
Feb 04 09:55:18 <X-Fade> Setup connection?
Feb 04 09:55:20 <timeless> "Asking party to chat" ?
Feb 04 09:55:30 <X-Fade> Invite?
Feb 04 09:55:35 <RST38h> http://kr.blog.yahoo.com/ykb3399/21598.html
Feb 04 09:55:42 <timeless> Inviting seems ok
Feb 04 09:56:04 <X-Fade> disclaimer: non-native speaker ;)
Feb 04 09:56:41 * timeless wonders what "Call unauthorized" means
Feb 04 09:56:59 <X-Fade> If the other party doesn't have you in his list?
Feb 04 09:57:10 <X-Fade> Has not approved you?
Feb 04 09:57:26 <RST38h> Means "fuck off". Uses less chars. Sister will understand.
Feb 04 09:57:42 <timeless> heh
Feb 04 09:57:51 <timeless> x-fade: yeah
Feb 04 09:59:51 * Stskeeps ponders what gadgets in his office doesn't run Mer yet.
Feb 04 10:00:43 <timeless> heh
Feb 04 10:01:11 <X-Fade> I have a Agenda VR3 that needs Mer too ;)
Feb 04 10:01:25 <X-Fade> Although that hardware is pretty old..
Feb 04 10:01:46 <Stskeeps> hehe
Feb 04 10:02:08 <Stskeeps> i'm not sure ubuntu has a MIPS port
Feb 04 10:04:05 <Stskeeps> still, this pocket loox thing isn't that bad. i mean: 520mhz, 128mb, wifi, infrared, bluetooth, SD, CF
Feb 04 10:05:40 <RST38h> Sts: If you can replace WinMo on an arbitrary HTC device, you have got a winner onyour hands
Feb 04 10:06:00 <Stskeeps> RST38h: if a linux kernel boots.. hmm
Feb 04 10:06:17 <Stskeeps> the problem is always the winmo need to do HaRet stuff
Feb 04 10:07:42 <RST38h> No way to rewrite its MSDOS.SYS file? =)
Feb 04 10:07:50 <timeless> so...
Feb 04 10:12:32 <RockyDd> I had add the repository of extras-devel, why I can't install git?
Feb 04 10:12:49 <Stskeeps> apt-get install git-core from terminal then
Feb 04 10:13:04 <RockyDd> it's not in the list
Feb 04 10:13:54 <Stskeeps> yeah, it prolly isn't user/
Feb 04 10:13:57 * Jaffa reads scrollback and'll happily accept a beer from crashanddie at the next summit :)
Feb 04 10:14:16 <RockyDd> oh, I see, out of disk space  :(
Feb 04 10:19:38 <RockyDd> what does 'osso' stands for?
Feb 04 10:20:30 <lcuk> heh jaffa, i personally think we should invest in our own brewery
Feb 04 10:21:08 <lcuk> we can make the excuse its research and development for fuel cells for the next gentablet ;)
Feb 04 10:21:28 <lcuk> "a little nip for me, and one for my n9000.  hic"
Feb 04 10:22:35 <X-Fade> RockyDd: http://wiki.maemo.org/Codenames
Feb 04 10:25:36 <genewitch> after i "make" something in scratchbox, how do i move the finished product to my device for testing?
Feb 04 10:25:43 <genewitch> i'm making kismet right now
Feb 04 10:41:44 <RockyDd> can i install software to the internal 2G SD card?
Feb 04 10:41:59 <genewitch> RockyDd: it does by default i thin
Feb 04 10:42:02 <genewitch> if you have it in there\
Feb 04 10:42:13 <genewitch> i havent' run out of space yet
Feb 04 10:42:29 <genewitch> the internal card is synonymous with a hard disk
Feb 04 10:42:39 <genewitch> the external SD card is like a CDROM or whatever
Feb 04 10:42:41 <genewitch> yes?
Feb 04 10:42:54 <X-Fade> genewitch: No.
Feb 04 10:43:03 <genewitch> ?
Feb 04 10:43:03 <RockyDd> oh.. so
Feb 04 10:43:21 <X-Fade> It installs software on the root fs.
Feb 04 10:43:34 <X-Fade> It doesn't use the internal 2gb for that.
Feb 04 10:43:45 <RockyDd> right
Feb 04 10:43:55 <RockyDd> can I change this?
Feb 04 10:44:10 <X-Fade> RockyDd: You can create symlinks..
Feb 04 10:44:19 <RST38h> genewitch: All your software goes to /
Feb 04 10:44:38 <RockyDd> oh, right.
Feb 04 10:44:50 <RST38h> genewitch: cards are /media/mmc1 and /media/mmc2/ , they are normally formatted as FAT and cannot contain any executables
Feb 04 10:45:03 <RST38h> I.e. you can put an exacutable binary there but it will not run
Feb 04 10:45:03 <genewitch> ok so i was wrong
Feb 04 10:45:18 <genewitch> now what about my question from 20 minutes ago?
Feb 04 10:45:25 <genewitch> :-)
Feb 04 10:45:34 <RST38h> X-Fade: If you symlink, the symlinked binary still will not run
Feb 04 10:45:36 <RockyDd> can I format it to ext3?
Feb 04 10:45:45 <RST38h> genewitch: Please repeat
Feb 04 10:45:58 <genewitch> after i "make" something in scratchbox, how do i move the finished product to my device for testing?
Feb 04 10:46:00 <X-Fade> RockyDd: Yes, you can. But know that your maps are on the 2GB part.
Feb 04 10:46:05 <genewitch> i've made kismet.
Feb 04 10:46:14 <genewitch> :-)
Feb 04 10:46:34 <RST38h> genewitch: you can do it with scp for example
Feb 04 10:47:25 <RockyDd> oh, got it.
Feb 04 10:47:40 <genewitch> RST38h: i don't mean moving the actual files. how do i capture what make install does so that i can move those files to my device
Feb 04 10:48:17 <X-Fade> genewitch: Make a debian package?
Feb 04 10:48:30 <RockyDd> why I didn't see the info for /media/mmc1
Feb 04 10:49:03 <RST38h> genewitch: you have to make a deb file
Feb 04 10:49:05 <RockyDd> i mean in the mount  list
Feb 04 10:49:21 <RST38h> genewitch: good way to start would be to read documentation and howtos at maemo.org
Feb 04 10:50:07 <genewitch> RST38h: yeah uh, the docs said to msg Stskeeps
Feb 04 10:50:09 <genewitch> so.
Feb 04 10:50:11 <genewitch> here i am
Feb 04 10:50:12 <genewitch> :-D
Feb 04 10:50:24 <genewitch> the arm build is complete
Feb 04 10:50:33 <genewitch> i guess i can trial and error it though
Feb 04 10:50:38 <genewitch> not that big of a deal
Feb 04 10:54:14 <X-Fade> genewitch: dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot
Feb 04 10:54:16 <RST38h> genewitch: The docs actually provideyou with A CLEAR EXAMPLE
Feb 04 10:54:25 <RST38h> Lemme find it
Feb 04 10:56:13 <RST38h> genewitch: http://maemo.org/development/documentation/tutorials/maemo_4-0_tutorial/#development
Feb 04 10:58:01 <RST38h> http://maemo.org/development/documentation/manuals/4-0-x/creating_a_debian_package/
Feb 04 10:58:50 <Jucato> (wow.. I thought I escaped debian packaging way back in kubuntu...)
Feb 04 11:00:43 <genewitch> neither of those links told me what i needed to know
Feb 04 11:00:50 <genewitch> the first one, i ran the code listed
Feb 04 11:00:59 <genewitch> and it says "are you in the source directory?"
Feb 04 11:01:10 <genewitch> and yes, i already had run make in there.
Feb 04 11:01:22 <genewitch> the binaries are completed
Feb 04 11:02:30 <RockyDd> when I run git show, it says: pager: not found
Feb 04 11:02:50 <Stskeeps> export PAGER=more maybe
Feb 04 11:02:59 <RockyDd> oh
Feb 04 11:03:47 <RockyDd> yeah, it works! thanks
Feb 04 11:03:58 <X-Fade> genewitch: When you run make, you have a bunch of files that need to be installed all over the place.
Feb 04 11:04:09 <X-Fade> genewitch: That is where packaging comes in..
Feb 04 11:06:11 <genewitch> X-Fade: right, that make install usually copies
Feb 04 11:07:02 <genewitch> dpkg-checkbuilddeps -B
Feb 04 11:07:02 <genewitch> : Using Scratchbox tools to satisfy builddeps
Feb 04 11:07:02 <genewitch> test -x debian/rules
Feb 04 11:07:02 <genewitch> make: *** [testdir] Error 1
Feb 04 11:07:50 <genewitch> do i need to copy the source directory to Mer?
Feb 04 11:07:53 <X-Fade> genewitch: So you don't have any debian files in there.
Feb 04 11:08:08 <genewitch> X-Fade: yeah, i just have the source and the finished compile
Feb 04 11:08:14 <X-Fade> That is why most people start off with a debian source package in the fist place ;)
Feb 04 11:08:24 <X-Fade> Or ubuntu source package of course..
Feb 04 11:08:32 <Stskeeps> genewitch: are you using Maemo SDK, right? :P
Feb 04 11:08:44 <genewitch> X-Fade: wget <source URL>. tar -xzvf <source.tar.gz>. ./configure
Feb 04 11:08:53 <genewitch> X-Fade: make
Feb 04 11:08:58 <genewitch> that's what i've done.
Feb 04 11:09:01 <X-Fade> genewitch: This is not slackware.
Feb 04 11:09:20 <genewitch> X-Fade: i'm in ubuntu with scratchbox and the SDK
Feb 04 11:09:26 <genewitch> i'm currently IN scratchbox
Feb 04 11:09:26 <suihkulokki> ...
Feb 04 11:09:43 <genewitch> i downloaded source for what i wanted to compile
Feb 04 11:09:47 <genewitch> i've compiled it
Feb 04 11:09:52 <genewitch> i want it on my n800 now
Feb 04 11:09:53 <genewitch> :-D
Feb 04 11:10:14 <Myrtti> everythingtomenoworIwillhaveahissyfitplzgoddamnitnow
Feb 04 11:10:38 <genewitch> er... sorry if i am coming off that way
Feb 04 11:10:56 <genewitch> i'm a developer, sorta. i don't like jumping through 14 hours of hoops to build an application
Feb 04 11:11:19 <genewitch> after it's explained once, i shouldn't have any problems again, as i've built slackware infinite times
Feb 04 11:11:22 * Stskeeps hands Myrtti knitting gear
Feb 04 11:11:29 <Myrtti> mmmmm yarn
Feb 04 11:11:40 <genewitch> Myrtti: use a #14 needles
Feb 04 11:11:57 <genewitch> Stskeeps: it said to msg you if i wanted to do stuff for the project
Feb 04 11:12:09 <Stskeeps> genewitch: ah, yes, what are your interests?
Feb 04 11:12:13 <genewitch> Stskeeps: i want to understand what to do after the application(sic) is compiles
Feb 04 11:12:20 <genewitch> s/s/d/
Feb 04 11:12:20 <infobot> genewitch meant: Stdkeeps: i want to understand what to do after the application(sic) is compiles
Feb 04 11:12:48 <Stskeeps> genewitch: i'm a bit curious what you're doing right now, did you get Maemo SDK, and running it on a Ubuntu VM, for targetting OS2008, right?
Feb 04 11:13:25 <genewitch> Stskeeps: i'm a security auditor, but i like playing with operating systems. I've been using bsd/linux since 1997, installing pretty much every major flavor of linux since before redhat went to fedora core.
Feb 04 11:14:01 <Stskeeps> genewitch: alright, and scratchbox makes the best of us go into a raging fit once in a while, just so you don't think you're going crazy :)
Feb 04 11:14:07 <genewitch> Stskeeps: well, yeah. i got kubuntu 32 bit, installed it in vmware, got it all set up and updated. then followed the directions with some help from this channel to get the scratchbox and SDK in there
Feb 04 11:14:26 <genewitch> i have your mer vmdk on vmware as well, but not using it right now
Feb 04 11:14:33 <genewitch> i think it's yours at least
Feb 04 11:14:39 <Stskeeps> yeah, is my production
Feb 04 11:14:46 <genewitch> yes, it rocks, btw. good work
Feb 04 11:14:56 <Stskeeps> hehe, we're always in need of more hands
Feb 04 11:15:09 <genewitch> :-) i'll port what i can.
Feb 04 11:15:22 <Stskeeps> we have entire ubuntu catalogue, which helps a lot on things
Feb 04 11:15:39 <genewitch> i'm just trying kismet as i know i've successfully built it from source before
Feb 04 11:16:09 <genewitch> it doesn't matter that it won't do anything useful, i just want to learn the whole "developing in a sandbox" paradigm
Feb 04 11:17:35 <Stskeeps> hehe, Mer is trying to move a bit away from that, seeing scratchbox as an accelerator of compilation, not what defines the target platform
Feb 04 11:17:46 <gene800> on n800 for a minute
Feb 04 11:17:52 <Stskeeps> (or at least, i am trying to move it away from that)
Feb 04 11:18:50 <Stskeeps> regarding Mer participation, http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/People  - basically send a small email to me what you do / interested in / etc, and then read through http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Sprints and current Sprint is http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Sprints/0.8
Feb 04 11:19:19 <Stskeeps> and you'll get a jaiku invite to be able to render your activities visible
Feb 04 11:19:29 <gene800> sts i installed the vdmk earlier, but i couldn't compile from it; so i installed scratchbox on another vm
Feb 04 11:19:45 <Stskeeps> genewitch: yeah, you can compile if you apt-get install build-essential dpkg-dev
Feb 04 11:19:57 <Stskeeps> like on a standard ubuntu
Feb 04 11:20:41 <gene800> Stskeeps, yeah but it tends to want to do  x86
Feb 04 11:21:29 <Stskeeps> well. if it compiles on x86, and you send source package to builder (scratchbox) it will work in 80% of cases, and if the scratchbox build fails, it tries armel native (95%, 5% is if the program is not ARM compatible)
Feb 04 11:21:36 <gene800> i don't want to sign up/ commit to anything that is technically unclear to me
Feb 04 11:22:02 <Stskeeps> *nod* i think we're just not documenting things that well yet
Feb 04 11:22:21 <gene800> sts prior statement is unclear
Feb 04 11:22:22 <Stskeeps> the VMDK is basically Mer OS, for x86 - you could even install it on a laptop and develop for that platform
Feb 04 11:22:41 <gene800> ok
Feb 04 11:22:44 <Stskeeps> we also have Mer for armel, where you can compile natively on that one too
Feb 04 11:22:56 <Stskeeps> and then we have Scratchbox SDK, which runs on x86, and cross-compiles to armel
Feb 04 11:22:59 <timeless> you could also try using Mer-armel w/ system-qemu
Feb 04 11:23:08 <Stskeeps> timeless: yeah, we do
Feb 04 11:23:13 <Stskeeps> that's the armel builder :P
Feb 04 11:23:26 <gene800> sts i am using scratchbox sdk
Feb 04 11:23:49 <Stskeeps> lo yerga, cool that wordpy works on mer :)
Feb 04 11:24:04 <yerga> Stskeeps, yeah it is :)
Feb 04 11:24:07 <gene800> kismet compiled   ls shows green kismet-server    etc.
Feb 04 11:24:32 <Stskeeps> gene800: and this is the Maemo SDK, right?
Feb 04 11:24:39 <Stskeeps> (there's a big difference between Mer and Maemo SDK, so :P)
Feb 04 11:24:40 <gene800> sts
Feb 04 11:25:15 <gene800> Stskeeps, yes. ran both scripts and set it up
Feb 04 11:25:17 <Stskeeps> alright
Feb 04 11:25:27 <Stskeeps> then you can probably just scp them to your device or something
Feb 04 11:25:55 <genewitch> someone else mentioned dpkg
Feb 04 11:26:00 <guerby> hi, is there a magic key to get out of a reboot loop on N810? I don't have the USB cable to reflash...
Feb 04 11:26:00 <genewitch> building for it
Feb 04 11:26:01 <Stskeeps> (normally people start out by taking the Debian source package, then build it)
Feb 04 11:26:19 <genewitch> Stskeeps: hehe i build from straight tarballs 90% of the time
Feb 04 11:26:30 <Stskeeps> genewitch: yeah.. and that makes things a bit difficult for tablet stuff
Feb 04 11:26:42 <genewitch> Stskeeps: it does?
Feb 04 11:26:46 <genewitch> that's a pity
Feb 04 11:26:46 <Jaffa> Nah, just use mud
Feb 04 11:27:11 <Stskeeps> genewitch: well, you have to move your binaries and resulting tree manually ;
Feb 04 11:27:12 <Stskeeps> ;)
Feb 04 11:27:12 <Jaffa> http://mud-builder.garage.maemo.org/ - for example vim package is built from upstream tarball with auto-Maemoification
Feb 04 11:27:37 <genewitch> Stskeeps: i've never built a package before as i am usually just porting stuff for my own use to various OS/CPUs
Feb 04 11:27:54 <Stskeeps> genewitch: *nod*
Feb 04 11:28:02 <genewitch> Stskeeps: so i guess what i should ask is... after i've compiled an app, what should i move to where to build a .deb
Feb 04 11:28:12 <Jaffa> genewitch: https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/trunk/packages/vim.pkg/mud.xml?root=mud-builder&view=markup
Feb 04 11:28:14 <Stskeeps> genewitch: normally you need to make your own debian packaging for the stuff
Feb 04 11:28:25 <genewitch> Stskeeps: ok
Feb 04 11:28:39 <Jaffa> ...and http://mud-builder.garage.maemo.org/docs/packageformat.html
Feb 04 11:29:41 <genewitch> is there a "catchall" sort of diff /pathtosourcebefore /pathtofinishedcompile thing that i can use to build a .deb for the n800?
Feb 04 11:29:56 <Stskeeps> genewitch: think Jaffa's stuff would be the best shot
Feb 04 11:30:07 <genewitch> i was hoping i could just capture the "make install" portion of the build
Feb 04 11:30:29 <X-Fade> genewitch: And do read up on debian packaging. That will give you a lot more insight.
Feb 04 11:30:31 <Mek> genewitch: you might be able by setting the DESTDIR env variable to a dir where you want everything to be installed
Feb 04 11:30:36 <genewitch> an xml file?
Feb 04 11:31:08 <Stskeeps> genewitch: but anyway.. debian packaging is very valuable to learn how to do well when dealing with stuff like Maemo and Mer
Feb 04 11:31:22 <genewitch> Stskeeps: i'll read up on it tomorrow i suppose
Feb 04 11:31:46 <genewitch> if i can build something useful, i'll send you an email or whatever to be on the porter list
Feb 04 11:32:50 <Stskeeps> yeah - we also need testers and people with ideas for improvement or auditing our scripts
Feb 04 11:33:12 <genewitch> which scripts
Feb 04 11:33:34 <Stskeeps> well we have session scripts and stuff
Feb 04 11:33:47 <Stskeeps> or just typical stuff, - OS is meant to be "single user", but yeah
Feb 04 11:35:14 <timeless> is there a way to force quit an app in Mer?
Feb 04 11:35:21 <timeless> Maemo Mapper is full screened and not responding
Feb 04 11:35:21 <Stskeeps> timeless: load-applet i guess
Feb 04 11:35:29 <Stskeeps> use f7?
Feb 04 11:35:38 <Stskeeps> i think one of them might work
Feb 04 11:35:38 <timeless> it isn't responding
Feb 04 11:36:04 <Stskeeps> mm, then no, normally there would be soemthing noticing things have stalled
Feb 04 11:37:52 <timeless> it's quite dead
Feb 04 11:38:14 * timeless pulls the vmware power plug
Feb 04 11:38:17 <Stskeeps> hehe
Feb 04 11:38:24 <timeless> which is hard
Feb 04 11:38:27 <timeless> there's no button for it
Feb 04 11:38:51 <timeless> instead, i have to open prefs, change the default behavior to shutdown, quit, run it again, and change the pref back to suspend
Feb 04 11:42:06 <lcuk> timeless, isnt there simply a restart system option for the vmware player :)
Feb 04 11:42:18 <timeless> nope
Feb 04 11:42:22 <lcuk> i remember rebooting my vmware images occasionally
Feb 04 11:42:29 <timeless> you probably have pro
Feb 04 11:42:32 <timeless> or something like it
Feb 04 11:42:37 <lcuk> no, free player
Feb 04 11:43:02 <lcuk> *had   if i still had it installed id tell ya exactly what it was
Feb 04 11:43:12 <timeless> i see no sign of it
Feb 04 11:43:33 <timeless> To reset a virtual machine, choose VMware Player > Troubleshoot > Reset.
Feb 04 11:43:47 <timeless> To power off a virtual machine, choose VMware Player > Troubleshoot > Power Off and Exit.
Feb 04 11:45:43 <Stskeeps> hehe
Feb 04 11:50:43 <Stskeeps> yerga: heh, you ended up in qgil's bookmarks :)
Feb 04 12:04:20 <EgS> I wonder how I can make use of the LEDs the n810 provides for notifications in my app. Any pointers to some doc?
Feb 04 12:10:18 <genewitch> ./configure --prefix=<location>
Feb 04 12:10:26 <genewitch> is evidently the solution to the problem i was having
Feb 04 12:12:24 <wazd> hola everybody
Feb 04 12:12:32 <RST38h> moo wazd
Feb 04 12:12:46 <genewitch> son of a gun
Feb 04 12:12:56 <wazd> nobody has replied to me :(
Feb 04 12:13:00 <genewitch> what does "sudo: must be suid root" mean and how do i fix it on "sudo make install"
Feb 04 12:13:20 <genewitch> setuid root, not suid
Feb 04 12:14:26 <Stskeeps> wazd: :(
Feb 04 12:15:26 <Stskeeps> wazd: http://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/mer-pocketloox-2.jpg <- challenge, how could Mer look on a 480x640, 3.5"
Feb 04 12:16:14 <RST38h> Sts: BTW, that PocketPC Linux boot tool is written by our very own zap
Feb 04 12:16:16 <wazd> Stskeeps: mabe better to use it landscape?)
Feb 04 12:16:20 <genewitch> Stskeeps: if the goal is readability, not very good
Feb 04 12:16:24 <RST38h> Sts: Whom you can find at this channel
Feb 04 12:16:32 <zap> RST38h: um?
Feb 04 12:16:58 <genewitch> Stskeeps: if you force a perspective (4:3) then you could put controls at the bottom, but you lose readability a bit because you have to cram so much in the tiny window
Feb 04 12:17:03 <RST38h> zap: HaRET is yours, right?
Feb 04 12:17:10 <zap> ah
Feb 04 12:17:15 <zap> hm well kind of, but not anymore
Feb 04 12:17:30 <RST38h> zap: Sts uses it to boot Mer on a Pocket Loox
Feb 04 12:17:31 <zap> I wrote it originally in 2004 iirc, but since 2006 its maintained by other people
Feb 04 12:17:56 <zap> well I prefer devices with native linux ;)
Feb 04 12:17:57 <Stskeeps> wazd: you dont normally use a pda in landscape :)
Feb 04 12:18:06 <Stskeeps> RST38h: hehe, didn't know that :)
Feb 04 12:26:42 <genewitch> ok, so i have all the files that a make install would copy
Feb 04 12:26:47 <genewitch> in a seperate folder
Feb 04 12:26:53 <genewitch> with the tree intact
Feb 04 12:27:45 <genewitch> i'm assuming i can tarball that folder, and extract it on my device
Feb 04 12:29:02 <timelE61i> ~root
Feb 04 12:29:03 <infobot> rumour has it, root is not a Good Thing to use when using IRC. Please use a different account.
Feb 04 12:29:17 <genewitch> hr?
Feb 04 12:30:08 <timelE61i> ~gainroot
Feb 04 12:31:08 <timelE61i> someone? :)
Feb 04 12:32:00 <Stskeeps> 'rootsh' :P
Feb 04 12:32:44 <timelE61i> ~rootsh.
Feb 04 12:32:45 <infobot> i guess rootsh is an easy way to get root and it's found here: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/rootsh/
Feb 04 12:34:49 <genewitch> timelE61i:
Feb 04 12:35:01 <genewitch> timelE61i: sudser install from applications
Feb 04 12:35:04 <genewitch> then just su -
Feb 04 12:35:55 <genewitch> sorry, install sudser and then in terminal run sudo su
Feb 04 12:38:43 <genewitch> good god, why doesn't ubuntu come with ftp
Feb 04 12:38:55 <genewitch> ftp: not found
Feb 04 12:39:05 <genewitch> even windows has the decency to include that
Feb 04 12:39:34 <jumpula> decency to include half-assed version one prefers to do without :P
Feb 04 12:39:35 * Jaffa cries at the update from Andre on https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4031#c2
Feb 04 12:39:39 <genewitch> it's a 15 minute ordeal to get gftp installed
Feb 04 12:39:49 <lcuk> genewitch, checked as sudo - doesnt root have more apps available
Feb 04 12:39:54 <X-Fade> genewitch: Huh? apt-get istall gftp
Feb 04 12:39:56 <X-Fade> Done ;)
Feb 04 12:39:58 <genewitch> jumpula: i cant' complain with ftp site.com, put blah, bye
Feb 04 12:40:19 <genewitch> X-Fade: yeah, it's HUGE.
Feb 04 12:40:25 <andre__> Jaffa, yeah. not cool
Feb 04 12:40:30 <genewitch> X-Fade: i've been waiting on this install forever now
Feb 04 12:40:52 <Jaffa> andre__: I may have slipped into a bit of a rant when I reopened it :-/
Feb 04 12:41:10 <andre__> no problem, i can make that a real rant ;-)
Feb 04 12:41:10 <X-Fade> genewitch: It is not huge. You just didn't have all dependencies yet.
Feb 04 12:41:18 <genewitch> X-Fade: fresh install
Feb 04 12:41:21 <genewitch> :-)
Feb 04 12:41:43 <Jaffa> andre__: ta, your patience is appreciated
Feb 04 12:42:09 <X-Fade> genewitch: Well if you have installed ubuntu desktop, then I really can't imagine it being a large install.
Feb 04 12:42:21 <jumpula> genewitch: what about wget?
Feb 04 12:42:33 <jumpula> genewitch: does ubuntu provide that by default?
Feb 04 12:42:37 <lcuk> jaffa, im actually surprised you can do an ssu without explicitely saying "yes, i have done a backup"
Feb 04 12:43:03 <Jaffa> lcuk: shush, don't give them ideas.
Feb 04 12:43:27 <lcuk> it removes it from being a tagline at the bottom
Feb 04 12:43:51 <genewitch> jumpula: wget can put files?
Feb 04 12:44:04 <jumpula> no, i was assuming you want to get
Feb 04 12:44:11 <X-Fade> genewitch: That is what you sftp for ;)
Feb 04 12:44:14 <X-Fade> or scp.
Feb 04 12:44:15 <lcuk> qget can if i remember rightly
Feb 04 12:44:20 <lcuk> qget
Feb 04 12:44:21 <genewitch> jumpula: i need to move this file from a VM in scratchbox to my FTP server, so i can get it on my n800 to install it
Feb 04 12:44:25 <lcuk> wget
Feb 04 12:44:27 <lcuk> ffffffs
Feb 04 12:45:09 <jumpula> and ftp server is naturally on different host?
Feb 04 12:45:33 <lcuk> genewitch, wouldnt it be simpler to ssh directly to tablet from within scratchbox and copy it where required...
Feb 04 12:45:48 <genewitch> lcuk: yeah i never bothered setting up sshd on the tablet
Feb 04 12:46:19 <lcuk> that would be simpler and more functional and less messy longterm and doesnt take an amazing amount of time
Feb 04 12:46:20 <genewitch> jumpula: yeah it is going vm->hostos -> random shell i own's ftp -> n800
Feb 04 12:46:22 <X-Fade> timelE61i: FYI: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3815
Feb 04 12:46:28 <lcuk> and remote admin of the tablet is great
Feb 04 12:47:02 <genewitch> lcuk: sudo does have ftp
Feb 04 12:47:05 <genewitch> what in the heck
Feb 04 12:47:29 <lcuk> :) regular user does not have rights to do ftp :)
Feb 04 12:47:39 <genewitch> can't upload passwd!
Feb 04 12:47:41 <genewitch> ohnoes
Feb 04 12:52:39 <keesj> http://www.google.com/latitude/intro.html would be cool for maemo (using osm of course)
Feb 04 12:53:39 <Jaffa> keesj: why would I want to use OSM when I actually want to see where my friends are? ;-(
Feb 04 12:54:52 <lcuk> jaffa, the problem of the friend mapping systems are scale.  its one thing having map and local mates around, but impractical to use daily to have a localized map showing friends around the world as the default view (I think its ovi friendview that does this)
Feb 04 12:55:51 <lcuk> ie - it would be amazingly useful to have such a map available as an alternative view from jaiku or twitter - but the default info views are more useful
Feb 04 12:56:29 <genewitch> ahhhhhhhhh no libpcap
Feb 04 12:56:31 <genewitch> FIGURES.
Feb 04 12:56:39 <genewitch> this could take a year
Feb 04 12:56:51 <keesj> Jaffa: perhaps for us nerdy people it would be enough to know where "good /open source" people are located
Feb 04 12:57:14 <keesj> I don't have enough friends with maemos
Feb 04 12:58:19 <lcuk> keesj, tied with other services it doesnt matter which device people have
Feb 04 12:59:16 <keesj> ok , the truth is that I don't have friends
Feb 04 12:59:23 <lcuk> heh
Feb 04 13:00:39 <pupnik> rare/random oldskool hardware:   http://cgi.ebay.de/Synthcart-Atari-2600-Circuit-bent-synth-Synthesizer_W0QQitemZ170298665836QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item170298665836&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1229|66%3A2|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A1318
Feb 04 13:00:43 <pupnik> atari 2600 synth
Feb 04 13:01:43 <lcuk> pupnik, cool - just wish they had used the paddles to allow scratching and mixing and crossfading ;)
Feb 04 13:09:54 <Chiku> hello
Feb 04 13:11:00 <Chiku> il y a des francais et qui est chez free? pour des rensiegment pour le SIP
Feb 04 13:11:47 <rzr_> oui
Feb 04 13:12:05 <Chiku> ca marche pour toi pour le freephonie?
Feb 04 13:12:11 <rzr_> Chiku: /j #ecologie for freench speaking
Feb 04 13:12:25 <rzr_> Chiku:  avec twinkle oui
Feb 04 13:12:29 <Jari--> while we are at it, let's try Simplified Chinese Pinyin too
Feb 04 13:12:48 <Chiku> ni hao Jari--
Feb 04 13:13:02 <Jari--> Chiku: ni hao he niman hao ;-)
Feb 04 13:13:08 <Jari--> nimen eh
Feb 04 13:13:16 <aquatix> Jari--: gaarne!
Feb 04 13:16:11 <Chiku> can I flash to diablo? or just update from chinook ?
Feb 04 13:17:26 <aquatix> you have to flash
Feb 04 13:17:32 <aquatix> ~flash
Feb 04 13:17:34 <aquatix> hm
Feb 04 13:17:39 <aquatix> ~diablo
Feb 04 13:17:40 <infobot> Fast and efficient NNTP newsfeeder software. URL: http://www.backplane.com/diablo/, or a better link-time optimizer. More information can be found at http://www.elis.ugent.be/diablo
Feb 04 13:17:47 <aquatix> erm
Feb 04 13:17:57 <aquatix> ~flash?
Feb 04 13:18:01 <aquatix> :(
Feb 04 13:18:48 <timeless> jaffa++ for complaining about the English
Feb 04 13:18:53 <timeless> or en-FI
Feb 04 13:19:57 <Chiku> ok I got it
Feb 04 13:19:58 <Chiku> RX-34_DIABLO_5.2008.43-7_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin
Feb 04 13:19:59 <Chiku> :)
Feb 04 13:21:58 <timeless> jaffa: ping
Feb 04 13:22:21 <Jaffa> timeless: pong
Feb 04 13:32:16 <zeenix> <timeless> jaffa++ for complaining about the English
Feb 04 13:32:33 <zeenix> timeless: and you were saying timeless is different person than Josh :)
Feb 04 13:32:51 <kulve> zeenix: Hi! Any news on the gupnp backend for gvfs? :)
Feb 04 13:33:22 <zeenix> kulve: yeah, the guy is busy with lots of other things
Feb 04 13:33:34 <kulve> ok
Feb 04 13:33:47 <kulve> I tried to find it from the prealpha2 sources, but found nothing
Feb 04 13:34:06 <zeenix> kulve: while gvfs backend would be really cool and all that, i think for your usecase MAFW makes more sense
Feb 04 13:34:23 <zeenix> kulve: it won't be on maemo itself of course :)
Feb 04 13:34:34 <zeenix> kulve: unless someone from Nokia does it
Feb 04 13:35:48 <kulve> mafw looks pretty empty: https://garage.maemo.org/projects/mafw/
Feb 04 13:37:27 <RockyDd> when I run git diff, got this: pager: applet not found
Feb 04 13:37:49 <zeenix> kulve: oh its' still empty
Feb 04 13:37:54 <zeenix> i'll talk to those guys
Feb 04 13:38:44 <zeenix> kulve: but you can read ths docs at least to get to know what it is and if you'll want to use it or not
Feb 04 13:41:57 <wazd> okay
Feb 04 13:42:12 <wazd> Please welcome OMWeather API :)
Feb 04 13:43:21 <wazd> You'll be able to add any rss feed to OMW :)
Feb 04 13:58:03 <RST38h> wazd: Why not use OMWeather experience and codebase to implement an RSS reader? [wink]
Feb 04 14:02:48 <RST38h> ...the new 1.66GHz Atom N280 CPU, replacing the elder's 1.6GHz N270. Unfortunately the slight bump in clock and bus speed (from 133MHz to 167MHz)...
Feb 04 14:03:13 <RST38h> 133MHz. Hehe.
Feb 04 14:03:20 <aquatix> erm, that's a typo
Feb 04 14:03:26 <aquatix> 533 -> 667
Feb 04 14:03:27 <aquatix> iirc
Feb 04 14:03:54 <RST38h> I hope so
Feb 04 14:04:34 <RST38h> 'cause if it is 133, you won't even need PC RAM chips for this thing.
Feb 04 14:41:45 <wazd_hp> RST38h: well, then we can add chess, notepad, mediaplayer :)
Feb 04 14:41:58 <ezadkiel_mB> I am trying to see what IP address my N810 is using is there a way to do it on the device
Feb 04 14:43:25 <RST38h> wazd: Actually, those are different
Feb 04 14:43:56 <RST38h> wazd: I mentioned RSS because it is natural to have RSS as a desktop widget *and* because Nokia's RSS widget is so gross
Feb 04 14:46:03 <wazd_hp> RST38h: ah, I thought you meant to add "rss reading functionality to OMWeather itself :)
Feb 04 14:47:33 <wazd> RST38h: We have so much to do with weather and a very small ammount of time for it :(
Feb 04 14:47:45 <crashanddie> Jaffa: my apologies if I have offended you, there was nothing personal in that email
Feb 04 14:48:12 <Jaffa> Meh, apology accepted - no real offense taken; I'm just getting fed up
Feb 04 14:48:33 <wazd> it was like "Die Jaffa, diiieee!111" xD
Feb 04 14:48:41 <wazd> just kidding)
Feb 04 14:48:43 <crashanddie> I think everyone has had enough about this topic
Feb 04 14:49:35 <wazd> I'm just happy that we solved all problems with OMWeather at last and the work keeps going
Feb 04 14:49:38 <crashanddie> I think this is a religious war topic, no point in trying to solve it through discussing. As Dave said, we're just stating opinions, and not trying to achieve something at this point
Feb 04 14:50:06 <crashanddie> let's just take a decision and live with it, not everyone's going to be happy, but sod it.
Feb 04 14:50:33 <Jaffa> We've got some suggested referenda which will let The People[TM] decide
Feb 04 14:50:45 <crashanddie> works for me (c)
Feb 04 14:51:00 <mgedmin> ezadkiel_mB: yes; settings -> connections manager has it somewhere iirc
Feb 04 14:51:16 <mgedmin> or you can install the HomeIP applet
Feb 04 14:51:25 <mgedmin> or you can run 'ip a' or 'ifconfig' in the terminal
Feb 04 14:51:33 <ezadkiel_mB> thank mgedmin
Feb 04 14:52:32 <wazd> btw, was it mentioned that Maemo 5 will be running on Beagleboard somewhen within OpenBOSSA conference?
Feb 04 14:52:49 <Stskeeps> i thought FOSDEM
Feb 04 14:53:20 <wazd> oh
Feb 04 14:53:25 <wazd> it's even closer :)
Feb 04 14:53:40 <wazd> so I think we have to wait 4 days for new UI :)
Feb 04 14:53:56 <lcuk> i would hope its already running on beagleboard, or at least if not then it should be at least planned for
Feb 04 15:05:26 * Stskeeps wonders if frank.wagner is actually trying to make people do his research and he's posting the results on some IT newspaper..
Feb 04 15:07:21 <benson[away]> No, actually, he's a politician: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Wagner
Feb 04 15:08:04 <Stskeeps> if that's the guy that's frightening
Feb 04 15:08:04 <Stskeeps> :P
Feb 04 15:08:52 <kaltsi> hey guys, it's me who's gonna talk about running maemo on beagleboard in fosdem :)
Feb 04 15:09:11 <Stskeeps> kaltsi: hehe, shouldn't be that difficult :)
Feb 04 15:09:19 <thopiekar> is someone of you familiar in python and has knowledge in the languages german and english? then please make a translation of this file ;)
Feb 04 15:09:19 <thopiekar> https://garage.maemo.org/frs/?group_id=856&release_id=2403
Feb 04 15:10:24 <kaltsi> don't get your hopes up about seeing something fancy at this time yet
Feb 04 15:10:50 <Stskeeps> kaltsi: i think showing maemo shouldn't "just" be a nokia tablet thing is a good thing nevertheless
Feb 04 15:11:13 <kaltsi> yeah that's the jest of the talk.. and maybe even the beef
Feb 04 15:11:48 <Stskeeps> for example, http://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/mer-beagle.png &  http://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/mer-pocketloox-2.jpg
Feb 04 15:11:51 <Stskeeps> :)
Feb 04 15:12:14 <kaltsi> yay :)
Feb 04 15:12:25 <Stskeeps> (fremantle hildon)
Feb 04 15:12:41 <wazd> Stskeeps: maybe we should bundle fullres wallpaper instead of 800x480 one?
Feb 04 15:12:50 <Stskeeps> wazd: mm, maybe
Feb 04 15:13:15 <wazd> Stskeeps: it's not so big
Feb 04 15:13:35 <Stskeeps> well in the beagle shot, the resolution is like 1280x700 or something :P
Feb 04 15:14:08 <kaltsi> Stskeeps: which kernel are you running?
Feb 04 15:14:41 <Stskeeps> kaltsi: on beagle? jaunty, .. 2.6.27-oer4
Feb 04 15:14:51 <kaltsi> roger
Feb 04 15:15:21 <Stskeeps> it was a quick hack, it's fairly easy to re-target mer to new devices once you have a X server & kernel booting :P
Feb 04 15:16:30 <Stskeeps> kaltsi: in any case, wish i could go and see the presentation, - good to know there's some people playing around with maemo "on other devices" within Nokia too :)
Feb 04 15:17:43 <kaltsi> yep, some guys use beagle to verify that their stuff works 'on other devices'
Feb 04 15:17:59 <wazd> oh my, Yandex has answered)
Feb 04 15:19:27 <roope> "What does this mean for Microsoft or Nokia or Linux??? :O :( :!!!"
Feb 04 15:19:54 <wazd> em... nurse!
Feb 04 15:20:04 <wazd> :)
Feb 04 15:21:18 <roope> "Customers buy - in innovation - if the provider is the first (time to markets)"
Feb 04 15:21:52 <roope> "Because otherwise you will not survive Maemo - and Nokia sets its priorities differently - from today to tomorrow - therefore sets priorities - time is money - otherwise it will be very tight for Maemo"
Feb 04 15:21:53 <X-Fade> roope: Random quotes generator?
Feb 04 15:21:57 <roope> It's almost like poetry.
Feb 04 15:24:45 <benson[away]> Like Haiku through Google JP->EN translation!
Feb 04 15:26:08 * wazd is so excited
Feb 04 15:26:55 <AndrewFBlack> Hey what folder are the small tool bar icons stored in?
Feb 04 15:27:52 <thopiekar> AndrewFBlack: on the tablet? maybe /usr/share/icons.. I'm not quite sure..
Feb 04 15:27:54 <AStorm> roope: it's worse than poetry
Feb 04 15:27:56 <AStorm> it's gibberish ;P
Feb 04 15:28:08 <AndrewFBlack> yeah on tablet
Feb 04 15:28:11 <Jaffa> AStorm: Did you not see the inauguration?
Feb 04 15:28:35 <AStorm> what inauguration?
Feb 04 15:28:38 <themactep> guys is there a reference on git repo layout for garage? what i found so far is only for svn.
Feb 04 15:30:33 <AStorm> themactep: I think it's the same
Feb 04 15:31:17 <lcuk> question: is it feasible to setup git to work in the background and sync *users* data into one mega repo type idea?
Feb 04 15:32:35 <lcuk> or is it more beneficial to setup a proper custom server
Feb 04 15:32:44 <themactep> AStorm: i doubt it's the same since .git has no trunk/branches in separate directories
Feb 04 15:33:00 <AStorm> I mean, grab the trunk
Feb 04 15:33:03 <AStorm> and redo the same thing
Feb 04 15:36:12 <Stskeeps> qwerty12: http://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/mer-pocketloox-2.jpg :>
Feb 04 15:36:23 * qwerty12 drools
Feb 04 15:37:17 <qwerty12> How well does it run? The processor on it is faster than N800's :)
Feb 04 15:37:44 <StsN801> decently
Feb 04 15:37:57 <StsN801> fbdev though
Feb 04 15:38:18 <StsN801> and i need a 480x640 hd layout
Feb 04 15:38:52 <qwerty12> ah
Feb 04 15:42:09 <dexterk> hey everyone, I installed deblet,and booted it,but I can not get pass through the deblet boot splash
Feb 04 15:42:17 <dexterk> my n800 always reboot at last
Feb 04 15:42:41 <dexterk> just left a little progress with the deblet boot splash
Feb 04 15:43:15 <dexterk> http://trac.tspre.org/projects/deblet/wiki/770Port I followed this to install a deblet on my n800
Feb 04 15:43:26 <dexterk> anyone can help me a little?
Feb 04 15:43:27 <qwerty12> Uhm. That says 770.
Feb 04 15:44:09 <dexterk> but I　can not get success with http://trac.tspre.org/svn/deblet/trunk/deblet-diablo.install
Feb 04 15:46:13 <dexterk> I failed at partition with deblet-diablo.install
Feb 04 15:46:25 <dexterk> but my sd card was ok
Feb 04 15:46:51 <Stskeeps> dexterk: deblet 770 guide won't work.. do yourself a favour and look at http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer instead
Feb 04 15:47:11 <Stskeeps> mer is deblet's successor
Feb 04 15:47:50 <lcuk> mers successor is skynet
Feb 04 15:48:09 <dexterk> but it really seems no differences between 770port and 800
Feb 04 15:48:32 <Stskeeps> dexterk: there's a lot of difference
Feb 04 15:48:35 <qwerty12> Evidently. That's why it wont start on your N800.
Feb 04 15:48:54 <dexterk> pity...
Feb 04 15:49:13 <qwerty12> You've got it partitioned now, if you really want deblet, just start again with the N800 installer
Feb 04 15:50:47 <dexterk> mer n800 installer ,right?
Feb 04 15:51:43 <Stskeeps> dexterk: http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Releases/0.7#Nokia_N8x0.28W.29_-_installer
Feb 04 15:52:20 <Stskeeps> deblet is no more developed so
Feb 04 15:52:24 <johnx> m00f
Feb 04 15:52:32 <qwerty12> hi johnx
Feb 04 15:52:33 <dexterk> ok ,I see
Feb 04 15:53:09 <Stskeeps> morning johnx
Feb 04 15:53:46 <johnx> been a long day's night O_o
Feb 04 15:54:28 <Stskeeps> johnx: saw http://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/mer-pocketloox-2.jpg? :>
Feb 04 15:55:07 <johnx> yup. saw the thread. I think your layout could use a little work :D
Feb 04 15:55:29 <johnx> what x server is that?
Feb 04 15:55:35 <johnx> xorg with fbdev?
Feb 04 15:55:48 <Stskeeps> yeah
Feb 04 15:56:20 <johnx> how's the redraw speed?
Feb 04 15:57:18 <Stskeeps> not bad
Feb 04 15:57:40 <johnx> I guess I just no how to pick devices with crappy video performance :/
Feb 04 15:58:11 <qwerty12> My 720 did a hell of a better job at playing back video files with CorePlayer than the N800 ever will do :/
Feb 04 15:58:26 <johnx> well, there's two reasons for that...
Feb 04 15:58:49 <qwerty12> I know them but it's funny considering the 720 is older
Feb 04 15:59:10 <johnx> it's all about the software :)
Feb 04 15:59:46 <qwerty12> I'm a pessimist, I don't believe N8x0 will ever get decent video playback but at least there's OMAP3 now :)
Feb 04 16:00:37 <johnx> that's what I mean :) we have good enough hardware for most things now...we just need better software
Feb 04 16:01:04 <qwerty12> An mplayer not stuck in the dark ages would be nice :)
Feb 04 16:01:12 <Corsac> what about vlc?
Feb 04 16:01:30 <qwerty12> vlc runs poorly compared to mplayer on the N8x0's atm
Feb 04 16:01:35 <johnx> Corsac, what about it? is there a nice ARM optimized version?
Feb 04 16:01:42 <Corsac> not sure
Feb 04 16:02:08 <Corsac> it uses ffmpeg anyway
Feb 04 16:03:44 <Stskeeps> ok, let's say we were going to try and bootstrap ubuntu into armv4t..
Feb 04 16:04:01 <johnx> O_o
Feb 04 16:04:17 <johnx> for what system?
Feb 04 16:04:20 <Stskeeps> i wonder how long time it would take 2 beagles & a pocketloox to do it
Feb 04 16:04:42 <johnx> Stskeeps, pocketloox is 64MB of RAM, right?
Feb 04 16:04:45 <johnx> that's gonna hurt
Feb 04 16:04:48 <Stskeeps> 128mb actually
Feb 04 16:04:51 <johnx> O_o
Feb 04 16:04:53 <johnx> wow
Feb 04 16:04:53 <qwerty12> Can you overclock the LOOX while in linux btw? I got mine running at 600MHZ in 2003SE
Feb 04 16:04:54 <johnx> craziness
Feb 04 16:05:00 <Stskeeps> qwerty12: seems so
Feb 04 16:05:03 <Stskeeps> i was surprised, it's about as powerful as a n800
Feb 04 16:05:16 <qwerty12> Damn, I so have to get my charger out.
Feb 04 16:05:26 <qwerty12> Well, one that works anyway.
Feb 04 16:05:44 <johnx> I might have something better for a build box. how about qemu running on a dedicated quad core?
Feb 04 16:06:09 <johnx> intel xeon e5420 :)
Feb 04 16:06:28 <Stskeeps> johnx: 520mhz PXA272, 128mb SDRAM, VGA, 3.6", 16-bit colour, irda, microphone, speaker, usb (slave & host), bluetooth, wifi, SD, compact flash
Feb 04 16:06:51 <Stskeeps> + camera
Feb 04 16:07:03 <qwerty12> Two speakers :). One loud one and one designated for VoIP :)
Feb 04 16:07:07 <johnx> pretty neat. probably the only reason I skipped over it was lack of keyboard
Feb 04 16:07:22 <Stskeeps> i also have one of these at my table:
Feb 04 16:08:03 <Stskeeps> http://www.itechnews.net/wp-content/uploads/2006/12/HTC_Athena_X7500_1.jpg , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTC_Advantage_X7500
Feb 04 16:08:29 <Stskeeps> got android booting earlier
Feb 04 16:08:30 <johnx> nice
Feb 04 16:08:32 <Stskeeps> very confusing OS
Feb 04 16:09:14 <Zic_N800> what's the default settings for finger-keyboard on the N810 on Maemo ? when does it appear ? is it like im the N800 ?
Feb 04 16:09:21 <Zic_N800> in*
Feb 04 16:09:38 <Stskeeps> Zic_N800: when you click the center button i think
Feb 04 16:09:41 <Stskeeps> .. or something
Feb 04 16:10:13 <johnx> wow...and that htc advantage is mostly working in linux?
Feb 04 16:10:31 <Stskeeps> mm. im not sure.
Feb 04 16:10:37 <AStorm> where mostly means no wifi?
Feb 04 16:10:39 <Stskeeps> it boots, has framebuffer, at least
Feb 04 16:10:47 <AStorm> and slow fb
Feb 04 16:10:49 <Stskeeps> i didn't play much with it
Feb 04 16:10:51 <dexterk> anyone test the kde? is kde faster than gtk* ?
Feb 04 16:11:21 <johnx> dexterk, kde is a desktop and gtk is a widget kit. do you mean kde and gnome or qt and gtk?
Feb 04 16:11:26 <Zic_N800> yes. that's the fullscreen keyboard with the midle center button, but when you click on a text box, what does it happen? on the N800, it's basically the mini stylus keyboard which opens
Feb 04 16:11:44 <dexterk> i dont know what the name of maemo default wm
Feb 04 16:11:51 <dexterk> but I know it is written by gtk
Feb 04 16:11:59 <kaltsi> sapwood?
Feb 04 16:12:01 <johnx> dexterk, ah, it's 'hildon-desktop'
Feb 04 16:12:07 <dexterk> johnx: en
Feb 04 16:12:14 <johnx> and hildon desktop is a lot faster than KDE :)
Feb 04 16:12:22 <dexterk> hoho
Feb 04 16:12:35 <dexterk> In PC,qt is faster display than gtk..
Feb 04 16:12:50 <Zic_N800> not fully true
Feb 04 16:12:53 <lcuk> only for greater amounts of t
Feb 04 16:13:30 <X-Fade> lcuk: heh ;)
Feb 04 16:13:46 <dexterk> anyway, I actually want to use some Xlib based WM,such as openbox, twm...fvwm,lol
Feb 04 16:14:03 <johnx> dexterk, matchbox is lighter than all of them, and you're already using it :)
Feb 04 16:14:24 <dexterk> I think it is not lighter as twm / fvwm ?
Feb 04 16:14:24 * lcuk would rather use a different wm, but theres non available
Feb 04 16:14:25 <johnx> you just need to get rid of the panels and other stuff
Feb 04 16:14:44 <johnx> dexterk, yes. matchbox is lighter than fvwm...as for twm, I don't know
Feb 04 16:14:52 <dexterk> ...
Feb 04 16:15:17 <johnx> dexterk, remember, matchbox is the wm, not the desktop environment
Feb 04 16:15:27 <dexterk> matchbox is based on gtk2,right?
Feb 04 16:15:29 <Zic_N800> matchbox is designed for embedded devices
Feb 04 16:15:31 <johnx> xlib
Feb 04 16:15:39 <dexterk> ok...
Feb 04 16:15:42 <dexterk> I see
Feb 04 16:15:51 <lcuk> if i wanted to skip the whole x11 part (to use something like directfb), i would need to listen for  events myself wouldnt i
Feb 04 16:16:09 <Zic_N800> as it's not the mai goal of wm like openbox, twm or others...
Feb 04 16:16:12 <dexterk> hildon-desktop is based on gtk2...
Feb 04 16:16:20 <Zic_N800> main*
Feb 04 16:16:37 <aquatix> dexterk: that's the gui toolkit used, yes
Feb 04 16:16:41 <aquatix> nothing to do with the WM
Feb 04 16:16:55 <dexterk> great,Mer installer is easy and good
Feb 04 16:17:02 <dexterk> en
Feb 04 16:17:05 <dexterk> thanks all
Feb 04 16:17:05 <aquatix> besides, QT has been ported too alread
Feb 04 16:22:37 <johnx> hmm...looks like the linux-on-htc-advantage project kinda died
Feb 04 16:23:51 <pupnik> bunch of sharper image useless consumers
Feb 04 16:24:33 <johnx> pupnik, who?
Feb 04 16:24:41 <pupnik> HTC customers :P
Feb 04 16:24:51 <johnx> ah
Feb 04 16:25:21 <johnx> I gave up a long time ago on devices that didn't come with linux from the start...
Feb 04 16:25:25 <pupnik> not that i have anything against folks who port linux to other hardware
Feb 04 16:25:29 <pupnik> right
Feb 04 16:25:42 <pupnik> initial support from mfgr kickstarts the community
Feb 04 16:26:10 <johnx> people are more motivated to work in their spare time when they have a solid base to start from
Feb 04 16:26:58 <Stskeeps> johnx: #htc-linux is kinda big though
Feb 04 16:27:43 <johnx> I'm sure there are some HTC phones that are well supported in linux, but I wouldn't buy a winmo phone and bet on a port
Feb 04 16:28:03 <Stskeeps> yeah
Feb 04 16:28:22 <Stskeeps> honestly though.. if you have access to flash, why can't you just figure out the bootloader and drop in some generic platform bootloader
Feb 04 16:28:33 <lcuk> isnt there a mobile version of wine (you know, it comes in a brown bag)
Feb 04 16:29:18 <johnx> Stskeeps, the linux kernel makes a nice bootloader :) seems like niggling driver and power management issues are always the last to get solved...
Feb 04 16:30:37 <lcuk> johnx, thats usually what you pay for when you buy the system :)
Feb 04 16:31:14 <johnx> lcuk, exactly :) and as a bonus I fund linux kernel development
Feb 04 16:32:18 <lcuk> its taken many years for generic linux to be installable everywhere (a remarkable achievement
Feb 04 16:32:25 <lcuk> *pretty much anywhere
Feb 04 16:32:35 <johnx> most things with 8MB of RAM and an MMU
Feb 04 16:32:41 <johnx> and some things without either :D
Feb 04 16:33:05 <johnx> for everything else, there's NetBSD
Feb 04 16:33:27 <lcuk> yeah, ms are looking in that direction
Feb 04 16:33:56 <johnx> I'm pretty sure it's just that Danger started the project with NetBSD and MS decided not to redo finished work
Feb 04 16:34:43 <lcuk> ms had their own unix flavor for a while didnt they
Feb 04 16:35:28 <johnx> xenix I think
Feb 04 16:35:33 <lcuk> :O shit, bbl
Feb 04 16:35:50 <johnx> ???
Feb 04 16:36:21 <qwerty12> He's looking for a warez site to get xenix
Feb 04 16:37:31 <johnx> I love the MS approach: Why should wer do our own Unix when instead we can painfully reimplement it piece by piece?
Feb 04 16:40:32 <ccooke> Ah, Xenix. Actually not that bad a Unix.
Feb 04 16:40:59 <qwerty12> Microsoft played a part in it. How can I believe that statement? :)
Feb 04 16:41:00 <johnx> which is why they through it out and grafted Unix-like features into Windows: a better challenge
Feb 04 16:41:10 <ccooke> (MS didn't actually write it; they bought it. It's a real Unix. Actually, it's in the ancestry of SCO IIRC)
Feb 04 16:42:00 <ccooke> (and it's worth remembering this is the *real* SCO, not the company that later bought its assets :-)
Feb 04 16:42:58 * johnx wants one handy 'who's who' chart of which companies are actually operating under which names and who really owns which ones...
Feb 04 16:43:26 <johnx> so easy to miss one piece of news and not realize that the current 'polaroid' has nothing to do with 'polaroid'
Feb 04 16:44:58 <Mek> yeah, and to not realize that the fact that your sony mobile phone's camera has a zeiss lens says nothing about the quality of th elens :)
Feb 04 16:52:24 <dexterk> any easy way to install matchbox in Mer?
Feb 04 16:52:28 <dexterk> I installed Mer
Feb 04 16:52:43 <johnx> the window manager it's running is matchbox :)
Feb 04 16:52:45 <johnx> same as maemo
Feb 04 16:52:52 <dexterk> ...
Feb 04 16:52:57 <johnx> well, actually in this case it's matchbox2
Feb 04 16:53:12 <dexterk> it is too beatiful
Feb 04 16:53:36 <johnx> I'll take that as a compliment :)
Feb 04 16:53:49 <||cw> how hard would it be to rebuild the lastest of everything for a n770?  is it even realistic?
Feb 04 16:53:50 <johnx> but it's wazd who made the theme...
Feb 04 16:54:27 <johnx> ||cw, the latest of everything that has source released? basically we did it for Mer already...
Feb 04 16:54:33 <qwerty12> Is there another method of getting free disk space apart from df? It sucks at displaying the free space (on the tablet) for "/" or "/dev/mtdblock4" on its own evidently...
Feb 04 16:54:43 <johnx> ||cw, it's still ongoing, but it's certainly a start...
Feb 04 16:55:36 <ccooke> qwerty12: what are you actually wanting to do?
Feb 04 16:56:50 <rzr_> ||cw: does it worth it ? is the wifi ready ?
Feb 04 16:56:51 <qwerty12> ccooke, trying to get the free space available for / in MB preferably :). running df -h works but it adds delays as it gets the free space available on other devices. running "df /" or "df /dev/mtdblock4" doesn't :/
Feb 04 16:57:06 <rzr_> ||cw: i have a 770 too
Feb 04 16:57:17 <||cw> i don't know, that's why i'm asking
Feb 04 16:57:34 <||cw> I don't care so much about a newer kernel as applications
Feb 04 16:57:49 <rzr_> ||cw: mine currently dont support wifi on nitdroid
Feb 04 16:58:05 <||cw> I'm quite tired of installign stuff that's label for 770 HE  that segfaults
Feb 04 16:58:21 <rzr_> ||cw: i know what you mean
Feb 04 16:58:23 <ccooke> qwerty12: ah, right. That's an annoyance, really.
Feb 04 16:58:35 <||cw> and the old stuff is just too old
Feb 04 16:58:39 <rzr_> ||cw: http://digg.com/linux_unix/NITdroid_or_just_another_Android_port_nokia_770_and_later
Feb 04 16:58:58 <qwerty12> ccooke, yep :(
Feb 04 16:59:06 <dexterk> johnx: Can I share with your /etc/apt/source.list* ?
Feb 04 16:59:12 <ccooke> qwerty12: the way maemo mounts everything causes some minor confusion in df. I don't think there are any better options on the tablet, though
Feb 04 16:59:22 <||cw> qwerty12: what's wrong with `df -h /` ?
Feb 04 16:59:33 <ccooke> qwerty12: give me a sec while I remind myself if you can get it from /sys
Feb 04 16:59:48 <qwerty12> ccooke, ah. Thanks :(. I'll just resort to getting to getting the entire output from df
Feb 04 16:59:53 <qwerty12> ||cw, doesn't work on the tablet
Feb 04 16:59:54 <ccooke> ||cw: the device mounted on / is mounted twice, in two places. df displays nothing.
Feb 04 16:59:58 <johnx> dexterk, hmm? you want to see my /etc/apt/sources.list? it's the same as a normal mer install...so, same as yours
Feb 04 16:59:59 <||cw> ah
Feb 04 17:00:28 <dexterk> johnx: my Mer has nothing can be installed from application manager..
Feb 04 17:00:44 <Stskeeps> connect to the internet and restart AM
Feb 04 17:00:44 <Stskeeps> :P
Feb 04 17:00:49 <rzr_> dexterk: not even xchat ?
Feb 04 17:00:57 <dexterk> en
Feb 04 17:00:58 <dexterk> nothing
Feb 04 17:01:08 <ccooke> qwerty12: gotcha.
Feb 04 17:01:16 <ccooke> qwerty12: I knew there was something that'd do it.
Feb 04 17:01:25 <dexterk> it is empty /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list
Feb 04 17:01:28 <ccooke> cat /proc/partitions
Feb 04 17:01:48 <ccooke> the entry for mtdblock4 is correct for the root filesystem
Feb 04 17:01:52 <qwerty12> ah, thank you!
Feb 04 17:01:56 <ccooke> it's in blocks only
Feb 04 17:02:14 <ccooke> but you can work out anything from there
Feb 04 17:02:24 <johnx> dexterk, the repositories are listed in different files than on maemo
Feb 04 17:03:27 <ccooke> qwerty12: (blocks are 1k, so it's not exactly hard :-)
Feb 04 17:03:52 <qwerty12> hehe :), thanks again :)
Feb 04 17:03:57 <bittin`> have you heard the FLOSS Weekly Maemo interview?
Feb 04 17:04:11 <ccooke> qwerty12: wait. Damnit. That's not *free*, that's total.
Feb 04 17:05:02 <qwerty12> Ah well, I guess "df -h" will have to do :). Thanks for looking though, I appreciate it :)
Feb 04 17:05:13 <ccooke> no problem
Feb 04 17:07:40 <||cw> does bluetooth DUN work on mer on the 770?
Feb 04 17:09:22 <johnx> ||cw, as long as bluetooth works (which it should) then BT DUN works. But Nokia's fancy wizard for pairing to a phone is closed source, so for now you'd have to set it up manually. this will change :)
Feb 04 17:10:05 <||cw> I've done that on my ubuntu-Eee, procedure should be able the same right?
Feb 04 17:10:39 <johnx> yup. should be very similar
Feb 04 17:10:46 <johnx> might need to install bluez-gnome
Feb 04 17:13:24 <dexterk> what is the different of Mer
Feb 04 17:13:27 <matan> Back to df / - it is a busybox issue, so if you use df from coreutils, it has no problems with a single filesystem.
Feb 04 17:13:33 <dexterk> another os 2008?
Feb 04 17:13:36 <johnx> hey Omegamoon :)
Feb 04 17:13:36 <Stskeeps> lo matan
Feb 04 17:14:12 <Omegamoon> hi johnx
Feb 04 17:14:12 <johnx> dexterk, Mer is hildon-desktop on top of a thin Ubuntu base, and is for the most part open source software
Feb 04 17:14:28 <crashanddie> johnx: I luvz you
Feb 04 17:14:46 <johnx> crashanddie, I know :) still enjoying your videos?
Feb 04 17:14:58 <qwerty12> matan, ah, thanks for clearing that up. Without resorting to dirty hacks (and I don't want to do that for a game), I guess attempts to install coreutils will be futile...
Feb 04 17:15:56 <crashanddie> johnx: my videos?
Feb 04 17:16:11 * timeless chuckles
Feb 04 17:16:21 * timeless has something in Mer which really doesn't belong
Feb 04 17:16:27 <johnx> crashanddie, errr...hmmm...probably misremembering
Feb 04 17:16:29 <matan> coreutils is only available from sdk repository, as it conflicts with busybox.
Feb 04 17:16:49 <crashanddie> johnx: explain
Feb 04 17:17:02 <crashanddie> timeless: explorer.exe ?
Feb 04 17:17:37 <johnx> crashanddie, I thought it was you asking about video encoding the other day, but now that I think about it, probably not. now why do you luvz me again?
Feb 04 17:17:42 <timeless> nah
Feb 04 17:17:51 <crashanddie> johnx: just cuz
Feb 04 17:17:59 <johnx> ah fair enough
Feb 04 17:18:10 <crashanddie> johnx: though if you doubt my affection I can turn it away in the blink of an eye
Feb 04 17:18:31 <Stskeeps> timeless: microb? ;P
Feb 04 17:18:33 <johnx> oh, I have no doubts about sincerity
Feb 04 17:18:48 <crashanddie> meh
Feb 04 17:18:52 <johnx> things like this happen wherever I go :) I was just looking for causality
Feb 04 17:19:17 <crashanddie> having to document the installation procedure of software, by screenshotting every single step, over RDP isn't the fastest way of making progress, is it?
Feb 04 17:19:35 <crashanddie> johnx: YOU MEAN YOU HAVE OTHERS?
Feb 04 17:19:48 <johnx> crashanddie, you're not the only crashanddie
Feb 04 17:19:50 <crashanddie> jealousy++;
Feb 04 17:20:26 <Stskeeps> crashanddie: better than a 41 minute lab test of a program where you use a screen recorder as primary data source.. and it dies when trying to save
Feb 04 17:21:22 <crashanddie> let me qualify that
Feb 04 17:22:26 <crashanddie> RDP session from Paris to the US over an SSH tunnel from London to Paris over a VPN connection from my place to the office over stolen wifi
Feb 04 17:22:47 <matan> Hello, Stskeeps. I saw you run Mer on the loox 720. How much of the hardware actually work?
Feb 04 17:23:39 <crashanddie> Stskeeps: let's just say I understand your pain
Feb 04 17:24:08 <StsN801> matan, usbnet, touchscreen, fbdev, sd i think so far
Feb 04 17:27:40 * timeless looks for someone w/ an n8x0 willing to test something (two reboots required)
Feb 04 17:28:00 <ccooke> timeless: possible. What's needed?
Feb 04 17:28:27 <timeless> switch your locale to Spanish(Latin America)
Feb 04 17:28:32 <timeless> (requires a reboot
Feb 04 17:28:42 <matan> StsN801: Does not sound like fun. I guess I'll not try it for now.
Feb 04 17:28:53 <StsN801> matan: http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/Loox700SeriesKernel
Feb 04 17:29:00 <StsN801> is what i use
Feb 04 17:29:08 <ccooke> timeless: regional settings *and* device language?
Feb 04 17:29:27 <timeless> dev language
Feb 04 17:29:33 <timeless> i don't care about region
Feb 04 17:29:35 <StsN801> matan, just what i tested so far
Feb 04 17:29:49 <timeless> after it reboots, tap the main menu thing and look at the first item in the menu
Feb 04 17:29:54 <timeless> tell me if it looks funny
Feb 04 17:29:58 <timeless> use the rest of the menu to decide
Feb 04 17:30:02 <ccooke> okay.
Feb 04 17:30:10 <timeless> don't switch back until we talk about it
Feb 04 17:30:15 <ccooke> rebooting now
Feb 04 17:30:21 <StsN801> matan, check status what works
Feb 04 17:31:27 <ccooke> timeless: looks fine here
Feb 04 17:31:32 <timeless> ccooke: hrm
Feb 04 17:31:37 <timeless> one sec
Feb 04 17:31:55 <timeless> well, what do you see in the first item?
Feb 04 17:32:00 <timeless> /msg me
Feb 04 17:32:34 <matan> StsN801: I did not look at that page since I got the 770. Not much progress, though. I already saw the penguin on the loox screen in 2005.
Feb 04 17:33:44 <StsN801> yeah, though its 2.6.26 ;)
Feb 04 17:34:50 <timeless> exactly like that?
Feb 04 17:48:55 <StsN801> lo zenvoid
Feb 04 17:49:54 <zenvoid> Hi. I'm reading http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Documentation/Getting_your_package_included
Feb 04 17:50:14 <zenvoid> how can I upload to trac.tspre.org?
Feb 04 17:50:23 <zenvoid> I need an account, I guess...
Feb 04 17:50:28 <StsN801> hehe.. you ask me :) sec
Feb 04 17:53:27 <zenvoid> I've been "softening" the system sounds a bit, to make wazd happy ;-) probably not perfect, but I think it is ok for the first release, they will be better with time
Feb 04 17:53:28 <lcuk> Stskeeps, if i get a build of liqbase working in mer does that mean it will build and work on any of these devices you have been porting it to (ie omap3)
Feb 04 17:54:04 <johnx> lcuk, nope. :)
Feb 04 17:54:15 <lcuk> why
Feb 04 17:54:17 <johnx> you do things in a very 'special' way :)
Feb 04 17:54:40 <lcuk> me personally, or the actual porting process?
Feb 04 17:54:42 <johnx> a lot of xservers for older devices are missing a proper xv implementation
Feb 04 17:54:54 <StsN801> oms
Feb 04 17:55:06 <dexterk> what can I do with Mer?
Feb 04 17:55:15 <lcuk> ok, thats a reasonable answer
Feb 04 17:55:16 <dexterk> can I install a gcc in Mer?
Feb 04 17:55:31 <dexterk> so few software in the application manager
Feb 04 17:55:42 <johnx> dexterk, yes. lots of stuff from ubuntu should work no problem
Feb 04 17:55:59 <dexterk> johnx: how, can you show me a example
Feb 04 17:56:05 <dexterk> if I want to install a gcc
Feb 04 17:56:06 <johnx> use apt-get in osso xterm to see more
Feb 04 17:56:23 <dexterk> I  have xterm
Feb 04 17:56:26 <StsN801> dexterk, just enable red pill, tools->options and show all packages
Feb 04 17:56:54 <dexterk> whereis the red pill?
Feb 04 17:57:04 <lcuk> in the bathroom cabinet
Feb 04 17:57:08 <johnx> ~red-pill
Feb 04 17:57:09 <infobot> extra, extra, read all about it, red-pill is https://wiki.maemo.org/Red_Pill_mode
Feb 04 18:01:11 <StsN801> dexterk, if you know ubuntu sudo apt-get install, it works same
Feb 04 18:01:40 <johnx> mmm...apt-get install cup-noodle
Feb 04 18:01:47 <dexterk> Tools -> Application catalogue", then click "New", type "matrix" into the "Web Address" field, and click "Cancel"
Feb 04 18:01:57 <dexterk> but I have no Cancel
Feb 04 18:02:15 <johnx> hit the backwards pointing curly arrow hardware button :)
Feb 04 18:04:50 <dexterk> a real problem,my Mer often broken up the wlan connection
Feb 04 18:05:06 <dexterk> but my os 2008 works with my wlan very fine
Feb 04 18:05:24 <johnx> it's a problem with the way network manager interacts with the wireless drivers
Feb 04 18:05:42 <johnx> keep in mind this is a beta (or maybe an alpha?) :)
Feb 04 18:05:55 <dexterk> ...
Feb 04 18:06:12 <dexterk> I　only want to have a mobile develop os ...
Feb 04 18:06:22 <dexterk> not a Mer like this
Feb 04 18:06:52 <johnx> dexterk, well, we'd love any help you'd like to provide, or you might want to wait until it gets further
Feb 04 18:07:10 <dexterk> en..
Feb 04 18:07:24 <StsN801> dexterk, apt-get install sysklogd , reboot, and help us track down the issue:)
Feb 04 18:08:28 <dexterk> maybe deblet better to me .? lol
Feb 04 18:08:57 <StsN801> same issue there
Feb 04 18:09:14 <StsN801> i made both.
Feb 04 18:09:14 <dexterk> - -
Feb 04 18:09:25 <dexterk> so...lol
Feb 04 18:09:26 <johnx> you can disable network manager and setup your connection using /etc/network/interfaces
Feb 04 18:09:34 <dexterk> en
Feb 04 18:09:36 <johnx> it seems to be a bit more stable that way
Feb 04 18:09:38 <dexterk> good idea
Feb 04 18:09:53 <StsN801> johnx, i think issue is NM scanning
Feb 04 18:10:07 <StsN801> i patched nm so
Feb 04 18:10:19 <johnx> StsN801, me too. ah, you patched nm recently?
Feb 04 18:10:33 <dexterk> my issue is just once connected ok,and if broken after, it wont get connected again
Feb 04 18:10:33 <johnx> I'll install syslogd and test
Feb 04 18:10:35 <StsN801> in deblet, not mer
Feb 04 18:10:55 <dexterk> now ,I need to go to bed, sysklogd tomorrow
Feb 04 18:10:56 <dexterk> lol
Feb 04 18:10:58 * dexterk away
Feb 04 18:11:12 <johnx> dexterk, same her. that doesn't happen to me when I used /etc/networ/interfaces or set it up manually
Feb 04 18:15:30 <StsN801> zenvoid, try again, forgot to add your credentials
Feb 04 18:16:42 <StsN801> add some comment after build pack=ver statement
Feb 04 18:17:04 <sp3000> oh deah
Feb 04 18:17:07 <sp3000> dear even
Feb 04 18:17:20 <zenvoid> StsN801: a comment?
Feb 04 18:17:25 <sp3000> not only does notes eat half of "\n\n", it also eats the space off "\n "
Feb 04 18:17:32 * sp3000 sobs
Feb 04 18:20:34 <zenvoid> StsN801: should I upload the package again?
Feb 04 18:20:42 <Stskeeps> zenvoid: nop
Feb 04 18:20:49 <zenvoid> ok
Feb 04 18:21:12 <Stskeeps> zenvoid: just 'build liberty-sounds-ui=version (blame stskeeps for not fixing merbuilder)".. jaiku doesnt like similar postings right after another
Feb 04 18:22:29 <zenvoid> :D it worked, now enjoy the new and free sound theme for your tablets
Feb 04 18:22:37 <Stskeeps> zenvoid: woo :)
Feb 04 18:22:39 <zenvoid> http://repository.mer.tspre.org/pool/main/libe/liberty-sounds-ui/liberty-sounds-ui_1.0_all.deb
Feb 04 18:22:51 <Stskeeps> now we just need sound:>
Feb 04 18:23:03 <johnx> a2dp works great :>
Feb 04 18:23:27 <zenvoid> It also works in diablo
Feb 04 18:23:45 <johnx> yup. worked in chinook too. I wrote a little thread :)
Feb 04 18:24:52 <Stskeeps> zenvoid: just point to liberty-sounds-ui in the sprint overview (0.8) then and mark it 100% :)
Feb 04 18:25:02 <Stskeeps> what is the license, out of curiousity
Feb 04 18:25:48 <Stskeeps> ah, nm, i see :)
Feb 04 18:25:51 <zenvoid> Stskeeps: Creative Commons Attribution 3.0, but I can use any license that you prefer
Feb 04 18:26:02 <Stskeeps> nah, this one should be good
Feb 04 18:27:24 <zenvoid> some people seem to be offended by the WTFPL wording, so I placed them under CC-BY instead ;-)
Feb 04 18:27:30 <Stskeeps> hehe :>
Feb 04 18:28:49 <qwerty12> zenvoid, in the spirit of the WTFPL, I'd have told the whiners to fuck off :)
Feb 04 18:28:49 <Stskeeps> and thanks for the effort :) hope you had fun doing them
Feb 04 18:30:10 <zenvoid> yes, was fun. I will improve them with time, but I'm happy with most sounds, I'm using them in diablo
Feb 04 18:30:16 <Stskeeps> hehe
Feb 04 18:31:08 <johnx> I want to find out who is responsible for making spam profitable and smack them
Feb 04 18:31:26 <Stskeeps> johnx: the same people who decided what's on TV dumbing down the nation..
Feb 04 18:31:37 <RST38h> http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2009/02/twitpicbestbuy.jpg
Feb 04 18:31:39 <johnx> which nation?
Feb 04 18:31:46 <Stskeeps> johnx: any nation
Feb 04 18:31:46 <Stskeeps> :P
Feb 04 18:31:56 <johnx> RST38h, that's brilliant
Feb 04 18:32:17 <derf> johnx: Spam conversion rate are approximately 1 in 10,000.
Feb 04 18:32:37 <johnx> Stskeeps, I haven't seen much TV from Denmark. same dreak, different country?
Feb 04 18:32:38 <RST38h> johnx: end of an epoch, in a sense
Feb 04 18:32:51 <johnx> RST38h, I'm just amused be the snark
Feb 04 18:32:56 <Stskeeps> johnx: i don't own a TV. i view series of my own selection
Feb 04 18:32:57 <Stskeeps> :P
Feb 04 18:33:09 <johnx> I considered CompUSA's liquidation more 'the end of an era' than circuit city's
Feb 04 18:35:24 <lcuk> derf, depends on what you are spamming
Feb 04 18:36:40 <RST38h> johnx: True
Feb 04 18:37:03 * RST38h wonders what kind of a country he will return to in March
Feb 04 18:37:48 <Stskeeps> you're in russia these days or how was it?
Feb 04 18:37:57 <johnx> RST38h, returning in March for good?
Feb 04 18:38:18 <RST38h> naah, 2 weeks
Feb 04 18:38:29 <RST38h> Sts: Moscow for now
Feb 04 18:38:38 <johnx> ah, You should stop by here on your way to the US :)
Feb 04 18:39:04 <RST38h> johnx: Flying Aeroflot this time, after being screwed by Delta twice
Feb 04 18:39:19 <johnx> sounds fun. I saw a video like that
Feb 04 18:39:43 <RST38h> johnx: Direct flight, the only way to ruin it is to blow it up above Atlantic
Feb 04 18:42:38 * Stskeeps tries to communicate with BME
Feb 04 18:42:54 <suihkulokki> 10111011000010011100
Feb 04 18:43:13 <Stskeeps> it isn't so bloody difficult when there's a dummy BME :P
Feb 04 18:43:24 <lcuk> suihkulokki, in public? and more to the point, where would we get a traffic cone from?
Feb 04 18:43:46 <johnx> lcuk, I saw that video too
Feb 04 18:44:16 <crashanddie> I have traffic cones
Feb 04 18:44:38 <lcuk> ahhh another loyal fan :) still gettin royalties from that one (and an uncomfortable feeling when i sit down)
Feb 04 18:45:06 <johnx> lcuk, they aired it during the superbowl in Tuscon I think :)
Feb 04 18:45:19 <crashanddie> it's not so much that the feeling in uncomfortable
Feb 04 18:45:26 <crashanddie> rather that sometimes I swallow a chair
Feb 04 18:46:23 <lcuk> thats gonna lead to some odd glances in a meeting no doubt
Feb 04 18:47:13 <lcuk> speaking of losing things, ive lost my only usb mouse
Feb 04 18:47:45 <johnx> might have sat on it?
Feb 04 18:48:29 <lcuk> possible, but i left some cheese out for it last night but it didnt emerge
Feb 04 18:48:46 * lcuk grabs the nipple instead
Feb 04 18:48:49 <johnx> O_o
Feb 04 18:52:21 * Stskeeps ponders idly if his tablet died after talking to BME..
Feb 04 18:52:44 <johnx> died died or just 'died'
Feb 04 18:52:45 <johnx> ?
Feb 04 18:52:54 <crashanddie> johnx: where do you live again?
Feb 04 18:53:02 <Stskeeps> johnx: rebooted
Feb 04 18:53:11 <johnx> crashanddie, check my whois info. it's accurate :)
Feb 04 18:53:37 <crashanddie> sod it, indeed
Feb 04 18:53:44 <crashanddie> wtf are you in japan?
Feb 04 18:53:57 <crashanddie> and where are you originally from?
Feb 04 18:55:17 <johnx> originally from CA, US by way of VA, US, by way of WA, US :)
Feb 04 18:55:50 <crashanddie> bleh
Feb 04 18:56:00 <crashanddie> damnit
Feb 04 18:56:02 <crashanddie> I liked you
Feb 04 18:56:06 <crashanddie> you're from the wrong side of the pond
Feb 04 18:56:12 <johnx> ahaha
Feb 04 18:56:20 <johnx> no I'm on the right side of the pond
Feb 04 18:56:26 <johnx> further right than you even :D
Feb 04 18:56:51 <johnx> but what does that w in wtf stand for in this case?
Feb 04 18:57:00 <crashanddie> why
Feb 04 18:57:20 <johnx> ah, to see the world of course
Feb 04 18:57:23 <johnx> the wanderlust :)
Feb 04 18:57:35 <crashanddie> ok
Feb 04 18:57:36 <lcuk> also, they were gonna deport him
Feb 04 18:57:41 <johnx> or if you like 'It seemed like a good idea at the time.' :D
Feb 04 18:57:52 <crashanddie> so you lived in three different places in the US
Feb 04 18:57:58 <johnx> yup
Feb 04 18:58:01 <crashanddie> and now you've been stuck in Japan for... how many years?
Feb 04 18:58:09 <johnx> ~1.75
Feb 04 18:58:10 <crashanddie> And you call that globetrotting?
Feb 04 18:58:37 * lcuk bangs head on wall
Feb 04 18:59:08 <timeless> lcuk: i have a new and improved soft-wall
Feb 04 18:59:13 <timeless> you can try installing it :)
Feb 04 18:59:22 <lcuk> soft walls dont work
Feb 04 18:59:35 <lcuk> i need to feel the pain otherwise this network copy will take forever
Feb 04 18:59:48 <lcuk> crashanddie, liqbase dev folder is ummmm 180mb right now..
Feb 04 19:00:13 <crashanddie> two options
Feb 04 19:00:16 <crashanddie> either you just went loopy
Feb 04 19:00:20 <crashanddie> or you need to do some cleaning
Feb 04 19:00:37 <lcuk> first time ive noticed - its including lots of incremental backups
Feb 04 19:00:42 <johnx> crashanddie, nope. I call it impulsive :) I'll be heading back stateside in April
Feb 04 19:00:53 <lcuk> how do i find the size of a folder
Feb 04 19:01:08 <crashanddie> du -sh /path/
Feb 04 19:01:28 <lcuk> 11.0M   libliqbase
Feb 04 19:01:31 <lcuk> more reasonable
Feb 04 19:01:36 <lcuk> and that needs cleaning itself
Feb 04 19:01:38 <crashanddie> johnx: when are you coming to europe?
Feb 04 19:01:41 <lcuk> and contains a massive media section
Feb 04 19:01:49 <crashanddie> johnx: you know, the continent that actually has some history?
Feb 04 19:02:02 <johnx> crashanddie, when you find a country that lets me easily immigrate and find a job :P
Feb 04 19:02:03 <lcuk> ahh you mean africa
Feb 04 19:02:07 <crashanddie> and don't tell me japan has history, they write with pencils, therefore can not be trusted
Feb 04 19:02:09 <johnx> lcuk++
Feb 04 19:02:28 <crashanddie> africa has history?
Feb 04 19:02:34 <johnx> meh. I'm fuzzy on any history that happened before the beginning of the Unix epoch
Feb 04 19:02:44 <crashanddie> In that case, yes, history tends to repeat itself... Death, murder, rape, famine, death, murder, rape, famine
Feb 04 19:03:14 <johnx> crashanddie, so you're suddenly talking about London?
Feb 04 19:03:48 <crashanddie> johnx: why don't you go check at your window, and see if there's no right-wing extremist militia marching down the street
Feb 04 19:03:58 <crashanddie> isn't that basically the state of Japan these days?
Feb 04 19:03:59 <lcuk> crashanddie, egypt is one of the most documented historical regions in the world :) mostly due to their insistance upon stone tablets and icons
Feb 04 19:04:16 <johnx> crashanddie, huh? extremist? militant? what now?
Feb 04 19:04:16 <crashanddie> lcuk: I always told you tablets had a future
Feb 04 19:04:21 <lcuk> :) yeah
Feb 04 19:04:25 <lcuk> maemo 0.000000001
Feb 04 19:04:54 <johnx> crashanddie, I think one of us might be confused :)
Feb 04 19:04:55 <crashanddie> NIT
Feb 04 19:04:58 <johnx> I hope it's you
Feb 04 19:04:59 <crashanddie> Nile Tablet
Feb 04 19:05:27 <crashanddie> johnx: I have a few friends who had to leave the country (they been working there for about 5-10 years) because they were being harassed
Feb 04 19:06:00 <johnx> harassed != extremist militia
Feb 04 19:06:18 <johnx> what line of work were they in? and what area?
Feb 04 19:06:21 <crashanddie> johnx: one of them created a documentary about how the right-wing side is coming up pretty heavily, as there is no censorship, nor repercussion for people who praise second world war mass murderers as heroes
Feb 04 19:06:42 <crashanddie> hang on, I'll try to find it...
Feb 04 19:07:04 <lcuk> and so it was said, king ramises the third (from finland of all places) took the scrolls of linus and ordered thousands of slaves to embed them into a pyramid shaped device.
Feb 04 19:07:44 <lcuk> :D infact, sod that - scrolls of liquid
Feb 04 19:08:33 <AndrewFBlack> my network is driving me crasy
Feb 04 19:08:58 <Proteous> AndrewFBlack complaining about his network driving him crazy is driving my crazy
Feb 04 19:09:12 <Proteous> I might just go over there and fix it for him
Feb 04 19:09:17 <Proteous> just to get some peace
Feb 04 19:09:54 <AndrewFBlack> lol, come on over tell me why my wife computer can't validate its idenity to my router when I have wpa2 protection on
Feb 04 19:09:57 <johnx> crashanddie, well, yeah the war is still a pretty touchy subject...
Feb 04 19:10:26 <gnuton> Hi there
Feb 04 19:11:56 <johnx> hi gnuton
Feb 04 19:12:16 <gnuton> hey johnx! :D
Feb 04 19:12:42 <timeless> anyone here use Chat/Internet call on their tablet?
Feb 04 19:12:43 <Stskeeps> woo, i speak bmeish
Feb 04 19:13:29 <Stskeeps> me battery temperature is 296 kelvin
Feb 04 19:13:53 <qwerty12_N800> Is this for hald-addon-bme?
Feb 04 19:14:03 <qwerty12_N800> (Eventual)
Feb 04 19:14:10 <Stskeeps> yeah, to replace it with a open version
Feb 04 19:14:41 <qwerty12_N800> Whee, maybe my adv-power 'port' can actually be useful one day :)
Feb 04 19:22:14 <crashanddie> johnx: found it :) http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6f11f_reportage-11-lextreme-droite-au-jap_news
Feb 04 19:22:29 <crashanddie> johnx: I hope your french is good :) Most (if not all) of it is dubbed
Feb 04 19:23:16 <johnx> my french is nonexistent
Feb 04 19:24:16 <crashanddie> well, you're american so you should be able to get into one of the many US army bases that are there
Feb 04 19:24:34 <crashanddie> go ask the GIs what they think of it, they should have pretty good inside intel
Feb 04 19:24:40 <crashanddie> I'd love to have feedback from that, btw
Feb 04 19:25:22 <johnx> so ... what kind of intel am I supposed to be gathering? and what is your friend claiming about right-wing militias?
Feb 04 19:25:58 <crashanddie> well that "a lot" of japanese people are sick of having about... what... 40k americans on their soil?
Feb 04 19:26:20 <johnx> uh yes
Feb 04 19:26:32 <johnx> you'd be sick of it too :D
Feb 04 19:26:36 <crashanddie> The fact that there is no limit at all on the freedom of expression means that ideas that were marginal are becoming more and more popular
Feb 04 19:26:51 <johnx> and that idea is?
Feb 04 19:27:24 <RST38h> johnx: I think he has just watched Lelouch Of The Rebellion or something similar
Feb 04 19:28:00 <crashanddie> Nostalgia of imperial japan, quite intense nationalism, negationism
Feb 04 19:28:20 <RST38h> johnx: Japanese guerillas will attack US bases with huge mechas any time now
Feb 04 19:28:26 <johnx> crashanddie, I've never seen any of that
Feb 04 19:28:46 <johnx> RST38h, who's to say they haven't already and are just covering things up with a cloaking field?
Feb 04 19:30:13 <crashanddie> johnx: ever heard of Yuko Tojo?
Feb 04 19:30:19 <johnx> nope
Feb 04 19:30:41 <crashanddie> basically she's the granddaughter of Hideki Tojo?
Feb 04 19:30:58 <crashanddie> Japanese Prime Minister during the second world war?
Feb 04 19:31:17 <johnx> yeah, reading wikipedia now...
Feb 04 19:31:31 <johnx> 'she failed to be elected'
Feb 04 19:31:49 <johnx> you can find any conspiracy if you look hard enough
Feb 04 19:31:52 <crashanddie> there's an article about her? wow
Feb 04 19:32:04 <crashanddie> I'm not talking about conspiracy
Feb 04 19:32:26 <RST38h> johnx: I am too far from the battlefield
Feb 04 19:32:37 <crashanddie> I'm not saying they're going to murder everyone and go mental
Feb 04 19:32:43 <johnx> ok, you're talking about a popular movement. In 2 years time I haven't seen anything of the sort. maybe it's not very popular?
Feb 04 19:33:27 <crashanddie> Actually to start with I was asking if you ever felt anything of sorts
Feb 04 19:33:55 <johnx> nope. nothing at all
Feb 04 19:34:01 <RST38h> Speaking of Japanese uprising, I have got a story for you
Feb 04 19:34:11 <crashanddie> fair enough
Feb 04 19:34:41 <johnx> crashanddie, I would assume something like this would be more of in the countryside, not in big cities. exposure breeds tolerance and all that
Feb 04 19:34:44 <crashanddie> RST38h: what's this lelouch of the rebellion?
Feb 04 19:35:01 <RST38h> http://209.85.129.132/search?q=cache:G2_1qhZ1PUUJ:www.exile.ru/articles/detail.php%3FARTICLE_ID%3D7993%26IBLOCK_ID%3D35+site:www.exile.ru+gary+brecher+japan&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1
Feb 04 19:35:08 <RST38h> crash: Stupid kiddie anime
Feb 04 19:35:36 <RST38h> crash: About Japan suffering under the rule of British Empire (although it is quite clear whom they mean there)
Feb 04 19:35:54 <RST38h> Sorry that I have to resort to google cache
Feb 04 19:36:22 <crashanddie> RST38h: hmm, never heard about it
Feb 04 19:37:11 <johnx> crashanddie, ah, a note about general crankiness RE: US military bases. I think most of the crankiness is actually about the way some military base residents choose to behave off-base. I can't speak for all of them of course, but I've run across some very unfortunate examples :/
Feb 04 19:37:38 <crashanddie> johnx: sadly I'm afraid that's the same all over the world
Feb 04 19:38:15 <johnx> it's a much more painful contrast in a country that tends to value reserved behavior :|
Feb 04 19:38:17 <crashanddie> johnx: the "good guys" don't mess about, and you don't notice them. The arseholes you see and don't forget. Which means loads of [input country tag]-army bases have bad rep
Feb 04 19:38:18 * johnx sighs
Feb 04 19:39:10 <RST38h> crash: you get the general trend right but you are wrong about details such as thresholds
Feb 04 19:39:12 <crashanddie> I love Japan, I'd love to go there. I know Chinese (as a spoken language) is easier to learn than Japanese, but I think Japanese culture/history is just a lot more intriguing than any other country out there
Feb 04 19:39:40 <johnx> RST38h, huh?
Feb 04 19:39:56 <RST38h> crash: In order to cause a local uprising, americans would have to kill or rape at least a few dozen locals at a time
Feb 04 19:40:16 <crashanddie> RST38h: again, I never said there was going to be a local uprising
Feb 04 19:40:20 * johnx tries to picture a local uprising of Japanese office workers...
Feb 04 19:40:35 <RST38h> johnx: will start with a demonstration
Feb 04 19:40:49 <RST38h> johnx: in order to make things worse, americans would have to shoot
Feb 04 19:40:52 <johnx> I've never seen a demonstration here
Feb 04 19:41:04 <johnx> a demonstration sounds awfully close to a confrontation
Feb 04 19:41:08 <johnx> those are best avoided
Feb 04 19:41:12 <RST38h> johnx: well, Koreans absolutely love demonstrations and they are crazy enough
Feb 04 19:41:13 <crashanddie> I'm pretty sure with limited special effects you could make two or three disappear and appear somewhere else (to us europeans they all look alike)... Every GI would go "OH FUCK, IT'S HIRO NAKAMURA" and run away)
Feb 04 19:41:21 <RST38h> johnx: Does US have bases in .KR?
Feb 04 19:41:39 <johnx> RST38h, yeah,
Feb 04 19:42:04 <crashanddie> anyway, I'm out
Feb 04 19:42:07 <crashanddie> take care guys
Feb 04 19:42:07 <RST38h> Anyways, as I said, in order to cause an uprising americans would have to do a few very specific acts in a specific sequence
Feb 04 19:42:21 <johnx> 'night crashanddie. come and visit in the next couple months and I'll show you around :)
Feb 04 19:42:22 <crashanddie> johnx: if you're ever in London, I'd love to buy you a (real) beer
Feb 04 19:42:24 <RST38h> More or less like they have done in Iraq
Feb 04 19:42:46 <johnx> crashanddie, deal :)
Feb 04 19:42:59 <crashanddie> johnx: where are you btw, in Japan?
Feb 04 19:43:20 <johnx> my whois is quite accurate. Just google Yokohama and you'll be close enough
Feb 04 19:43:29 <johnx> I'll pick you up at the station :)
Feb 04 19:44:21 <crashanddie> johnx: The map is a bit weird: http://www.groupawheels.com/images/Products/7c20ca28-20de-43e1-af58-1e906c498f1fYokohama-PARADA-site.jpg
Feb 04 19:44:44 <johnx> crashanddie, google says "You're doing it wrong."
Feb 04 19:45:02 <johnx> ah, and from earlier, Japanese beer is actually quite good
Feb 04 19:45:12 <crashanddie> I'm sure it is ;)
Feb 04 19:45:17 <crashanddie> anyway, enough nonsense, take care
Feb 04 19:45:23 <johnx> 'night :D
Feb 04 19:45:38 * Stskeeps yawns
Feb 04 19:45:42 <johnx> RST38h, but if the US misbehaved in .kr who would make their cellphones?
Feb 04 19:45:47 <lcuk> whoa!
Feb 04 19:46:04 <johnx> ?
Feb 04 19:46:05 <RST38h> johnx: .cn
Feb 04 19:46:14 <lcuk> new liqbase (the one i put a screeny up from last night) kinda compiles for x86
Feb 04 19:46:32 <johnx> well, I should hope so ...
Feb 04 19:46:35 <RST38h> kinda? =)
Feb 04 19:49:04 <AndrewFBlack> 89iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
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Feb 04 19:49:05 <AndrewFBlack> iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
Feb 04 19:49:10 <AndrewFBlack> iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
Feb 04 19:49:11 <RST38h> what was that?
Feb 04 19:49:15 <AndrewFBlack> iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
Feb 04 19:49:15 <johnx> a cat
Feb 04 19:49:25 <lcuk> nahhh it happened yesterday
Feb 04 19:49:28 <RST38h> is he eatign the i key?
Feb 04 19:49:28 <johnx> a very precise, persistent cat
Feb 04 19:49:30 <lcuk> tho then it ws "oiiiiiiiiiiiiiii"
Feb 04 19:49:45 <Stskeeps> or kiddo
Feb 04 19:49:52 <RST38h> what happens when he bites through the power cord? anyone checked?
Feb 04 19:50:05 <lcuk> precise csame position on the keyboard
Feb 04 19:50:09 <johnx> RST38h, same thing, but in real life instead :D
Feb 04 19:50:46 <RST38h> hehe
Feb 04 19:52:49 <AndrewFBlack> lol my cat it did yesterday also?
Feb 04 19:53:29 <radic> Is there a way to get the packet-injection for the wlan-adapter working on the N800?
Feb 04 19:53:40 <benson> AndrewFBlack: Absolutely.
Feb 04 19:53:49 <lcuk> yes andres
Feb 04 19:53:50 <benson> oiiiiiiii... and so on.
Feb 04 19:53:51 <lcuk> yes andrew
Feb 04 19:53:55 <johnx> radic, add it to the driver
Feb 04 19:54:03 <lcuk> it was "oiiiiiiiii" only 1 o
Feb 04 19:54:41 <radic> johnx: wich chip ist the N800 using?
Feb 04 19:54:46 <AndrewFBlack> lol sorry about that
Feb 04 19:55:00 <AndrewFBlack> she is good she even renames files on my computer someties
Feb 04 19:55:22 <johnx> radic, currently we're using the cx3110x driver, but there's a newer open sourced driver
Feb 04 19:55:28 * johnx googles the name
Feb 04 19:55:40 <qwerty12_N800> stlc45xx
Feb 04 19:55:50 <johnx> thanks :)
Feb 04 19:56:21 <radic> qwerty12_N800: supports that drive packetinjection?
Feb 04 19:56:39 <qwerty12_N800> No idea how I remembered that, I usually rely on google suggest :)
Feb 04 19:56:47 <benson> AndrewFBlack: I have a cool keyboard; it has a "key Lock" key on it, that toggles all keyboard input off.
Feb 04 19:57:08 <benson> Of course, I don't have a cat, so it's a nuisance, I only lock _myself_ out.
Feb 04 19:57:27 <pupnik> ctrl+s still confuses some people wonderfully
Feb 04 19:57:28 <thopiekar> is there a way to change the screen sensibility of the N8x0?
Feb 04 19:57:30 <qwerty12_N800> radic, think so if used with a much newer kernel - it uses mac8001x (somth like that)
Feb 04 19:57:52 <lcuk> i think i made a booboo with the x86 liqbase, i let it compile with errors and now a render takes about 5 seconds per frame
Feb 04 19:58:06 <benson> qwerty12_N800: I don't think it does, but it should be easy to add; that's what I'd heard...
Feb 04 19:58:08 <lcuk> i believe i am trying to draw something like -923 lines
Feb 04 19:58:27 <AndrewFBlack> well this is my Eee pc I just for get to close it some times
Feb 04 19:58:48 <lcuk> its more likely your thumb when you pick it up
Feb 04 19:58:49 <benson> qwerty12_N800: But mac80211 (?) is backported by Nokia, so you wouldn't even need the newer kernel.
Feb 04 19:58:53 <lcuk> you use your right hand dont you :P
Feb 04 19:59:19 <qwerty12_N800> benson, not entirely sure about this myself, but I hear from solc that any driver that uses mac80211 gets the benefit of packet injection
Feb 04 19:59:20 <AndrewFBlack> atleast she doesn't do it over and over all da lol
Feb 04 20:00:14 <qwerty12_N800> benson, really? Wonder why they want people to compile against linux-omap then :)
Feb 04 20:00:23 <benson> qwerty12_N800: k, just what I'd heard, and I'm not really knowledgable in that. :)
Feb 04 20:00:25 <radic> ach scheisse, der aschenbecher raucht...
Feb 04 20:00:36 <qwerty12_N800> benson, me neither :)
Feb 04 20:00:37 * Stskeeps tries to psychoanalyze BME
Feb 04 20:01:15 <qwerty12_N800> ~curse dpkg & permissions
Feb 04 20:01:16 <infobot> May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, dpkg & permissions !
Feb 04 20:02:36 <johnx> Tear 0.3 + Google Reader = <3
Feb 04 20:03:36 <doc|home> johnx: tear 0.3? It's only 0.2.2 on garage.
Feb 04 20:03:42 <doc|home> build it yourself?
Feb 04 20:03:55 <johnx> doc|home, nope. check the tear 0.3 thread on ITT
Feb 04 20:04:13 <johnx> he's promising to do a proper release to garage and extras(-devel) when he's ready
Feb 04 20:04:19 <themactep> looks like MS is going to put NetBSD on ARM devices - http://tinyurl.com/cbff2d
Feb 04 20:04:25 <doc|home> which forum?
Feb 04 20:04:37 <johnx> hmm, good question
Feb 04 20:04:42 <RST38h> NetBSD ran on ARM devices for a while
Feb 04 20:04:54 <benson> doc|home: Use the search, Luke.
Feb 04 20:05:06 <johnx> doc|home, googled: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=26475
Feb 04 20:05:08 <qwerty12_N800> Developers iirc
Feb 04 20:05:14 <pupnik> RST38h: btw did you ever try your NES emu on 770?
Feb 04 20:05:47 <doc|home> benson: hehe, yeah, figured a general idea might help though :)
Feb 04 20:05:49 <doc|home> johnx: thanks
Feb 04 20:08:26 <qwerty12_N800> X-Fade, do logs for packages built using binary-indep rule exist? I can see logs for stuff created in formido package with binary-arch but I'd like to know where i'd went wrong with formido-data & its binary-indep rule as the package I built in scratchbox installed data files to my memory card successfully :/
Feb 04 20:09:12 <johnx> does the builder do a test install or something?
Feb 04 20:11:05 <qwerty12_N800> think it just produces debs and sends them on the way to -devel :)
Feb 04 20:11:20 <qwerty12_N800> But i'm no expert - far from it.
Feb 04 20:12:02 <johnx> neither am I. I start a couple of my own distro projects rather than upload to extras :D
Feb 04 20:12:20 <qwerty12_N800> hehe :D
Feb 04 20:13:04 <qwerty12_N800> God, I'm annoyed because i nearly started dancing when I saw it worked that one time :/
Feb 04 20:14:32 <johnx> yeah, I know how that goes
Feb 04 20:15:09 <johnx> I thought I got xfbdev packaged up all nice once it went through the whole build then realized later that none of the ~20 patches had applied
Feb 04 20:15:29 <qwerty12_N800> damn :(
Feb 04 20:15:49 <johnx> but it works now, so I'm happy enough
Feb 04 20:16:38 <johnx> I still wonder why I end up with a Xephyr binary even with ./configure --disable-xephyr. I'm leaning towards somethin in debian/rules like rm $(DESTDIR)/usr/bin/Xephyr :)
Feb 04 20:18:20 <qwerty12_N800> I did that with zenity after dh_install added the glade resource file to two packages. I know it's probably wrong but i'd know dpkg would whine when installing :)
Feb 04 20:18:22 <RST38h> disabling it probably means not using it
Feb 04 20:18:40 * RST38h is restoring old ti85 emulator
Feb 04 20:19:25 <johnx> RST38h, not 'using' it?
Feb 04 20:19:48 <johnx> I seek illumination o' great oracle :)
Feb 04 20:20:26 <GeneralAntilles> lol . . . the first result for 'screen protectors maemo' on Google is "wiki.maemo.org/Special:Random"
Feb 04 20:20:58 * timeless rotfl
Feb 04 20:22:23 <timeless> gan: so... i'm fiarly close to done
Feb 04 20:22:33 <timeless> i think i got the battery thing working to satisfy an american customer
Feb 04 20:22:57 <timeless> anyone here know what in the world this comes from:
Feb 04 20:22:58 <timeless> "Crop image before proceeding?"
Feb 04 20:23:36 <benson> Oh, yes.
Feb 04 20:24:10 <benson> You have a crop region selected, and tried to exit, open a different image, or some such.
Feb 04 20:24:31 <timeless> oh
Feb 04 20:24:32 <timeless> ok
Feb 04 20:24:36 <timeless> thanks!
Feb 04 20:25:00 <timeless> Crop image before continuing?
Feb 04 20:25:01 <benson> NP, hit it yesterday when playing with aspect ratios. ;)
Feb 04 20:25:10 <benson> Sounds good.
Feb 04 20:25:24 <timeless> fwiw, that stuff is fixed in my latest set
Feb 04 20:25:26 <timeless> it looks nice
Feb 04 20:26:46 <johnx> google streetview has seen my parents' house more recently than I have O_o
Feb 04 20:26:51 <timeless> heh
Feb 04 20:27:16 <timeless> how about  "Resetting Bluetooth devices<E2><80><A6>"
Feb 04 20:27:17 <timeless> ?
Feb 04 20:27:25 <timeless> or
Feb 04 20:27:26 <timeless> "Resetting the game will close all opened levels. Continue anyway?"
Feb 04 20:29:59 * timeless frowns
Feb 04 20:30:05 <timeless> ok, help
Feb 04 20:30:09 <timeless> if you open marbles
Feb 04 20:30:14 <timeless> and actually play it
Feb 04 20:30:29 <timeless> app menu>settings>reset>reset game progress
Feb 04 20:33:14 <timeless> which sounds better:
Feb 04 20:33:21 <timeless> Settings>Reset>Reset game progress
Feb 04 20:33:26 <GeneralAntilles> Missed this one: http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2009/02/first-look-the-maemo-5-multimedia-framework.ars
Feb 04 20:33:26 <timeless> Settings>Reset>Game progress
Feb 04 20:34:44 <GeneralAntilles> Reset seems redundant to me
Feb 04 20:35:06 <GeneralAntilles> Arguably the "Reset" submenu is more at fault than "Reset game progress" but not much you can do about that.
Feb 04 20:35:27 <timeless> right
Feb 04 20:36:31 <timeless> right, so back to the original problem :)
Feb 04 20:36:44 <timeless> oh wait
Feb 04 20:36:56 * timeless is pretty sure this message is borked
Feb 04 20:37:01 <timeless> so, Marbles is kinda cool
Feb 04 20:37:10 <timeless> it has 4 chapters, and 8 levels per chapter
Feb 04 20:39:28 <timeless> if you trigger that menu item
Feb 04 20:39:29 <timeless> it says:
Feb 04 20:39:40 <timeless> Resetting the game will close all opened
Feb 04 20:39:46 <timeless> levels. Continue anyway?
Feb 04 20:39:50 <timeless> [OK][Cancel]
Feb 04 20:40:26 <benson> Maybe: "Resetting the game will reset the game. Continue?"
Feb 04 20:40:32 <timeless> heh
Feb 04 20:40:42 <timeless> ok, "anyway" bites the dust
Feb 04 20:41:04 <timeless> Clear all completed levels?
Feb 04 20:41:08 <timeless> [OK] [Cancel]
Feb 04 20:41:09 <timeless> ?
Feb 04 20:41:42 <benson> Sounbds good.
Feb 04 20:43:02 <benson> s/b//
Feb 04 20:43:02 <infobot> benson meant: Sounds good.
Feb 04 20:45:18 <timeless> ok, open Mahjong
Feb 04 20:45:33 <fbb> 96
Feb 04 20:45:43 <benson> k
Feb 04 20:45:48 <Proteous> how about just save all completed levels automaticly :P
Feb 04 20:46:02 <timeless> proteous: it does...
Feb 04 20:46:11 <timeless> this is only for the stupid case where someone wants to start fomr scratch
Feb 04 20:46:20 <timeless> anyway, open mahjong
Feb 04 20:46:22 <Proteous> ah
Feb 04 20:46:26 <benson> timeless: got it
Feb 04 20:46:32 <timeless> there's a button in the bottom right corner
Feb 04 20:46:39 <timeless> ignore the fact that its size sucks
Feb 04 20:46:42 <timeless> (not thumbable)
Feb 04 20:47:00 * benson hits it just fine with his thumb.
Feb 04 20:47:02 <timeless> is it bad for me to want "High Scores" instead?
Feb 04 20:47:11 <timeless> or at least "Best Times"
Feb 04 20:47:26 <benson> Well... trouble is, they're not high, and they're not scores.
Feb 04 20:47:44 <benson> But it's tempting to roll with the idiom
Feb 04 20:48:11 <benson> Best Times is an improvement, imho.
Feb 04 20:48:21 <GeneralAntilles> Hehe
Feb 04 20:48:30 <GeneralAntilles> Can it be "Good Times", please? :D
Feb 04 20:48:43 * timeless chuckles
Feb 04 20:48:46 <benson> But nothing in Maemo seems to use title case, and I'm not sure why.
Feb 04 20:48:56 <timeless> benson: my locale does
Feb 04 20:49:02 <timeless> have you installed it yet?
Feb 04 20:49:17 <benson> No, where do I get it?
Feb 04 20:49:36 <benson> OK, cool, if you're being consistent.
Feb 04 20:49:39 <timeless> gimme a few mins to repack
Feb 04 20:50:46 * johnx sleeps
Feb 04 20:51:00 <timeless> btw, would you normally write 'Game over' or 'Game Over'?
Feb 04 20:51:07 * timeless is leaning toward the latter
Feb 04 20:51:25 <benson> timeless: on button-size, I do prefer the large size, I just don't find the small ones all that annoying unless I have gloves on.
Feb 04 20:51:34 <benson> GAME OVAR!
Feb 04 20:51:42 <benson> Or "Game Over"
Feb 04 20:51:42 <timeless> it used to say
Feb 04 20:51:44 <timeless> Game over
Feb 04 20:51:47 <timeless> You loose
Feb 04 20:51:51 <benson> lol
Feb 04 20:51:52 <timeless> my favorite female insult
Feb 04 20:52:01 <timeless> and we shipped it that way for iirc 3 products
Feb 04 20:52:06 * timeless grumbles
Feb 04 20:52:08 <timeless> hello world
Feb 04 20:52:28 <timeless> ok, next stupid question
Feb 04 20:52:33 <timeless> blocks kinda sucks
Feb 04 20:52:39 <timeless> it has two buttons when it's running
Feb 04 20:52:44 <timeless> Restart and Pause|Exit
Feb 04 20:52:50 * benson launches blocks...
Feb 04 20:52:59 <timeless> currently in your device it says "Exit to menu"
Feb 04 20:53:11 <AndrewFBlack> I'm trying to setup lxde to use with mer but FN button doesn't work of course I was wonder is there any way to setup shortcut where like Control Q will type a 1?
Feb 04 20:53:20 <timeless> in the package i'm going to give you, it says "Pause"
Feb 04 20:53:26 <benson> Yeah, I see.
Feb 04 20:53:30 <timeless> but technically if the game is over, it isn't "pause"
Feb 04 20:53:30 <benson> Pause is much better.
Feb 04 20:53:37 <timeless> can i get away w/ that technicality?
Feb 04 20:54:23 <benson> Hmmm... "Return to menu" would work, "exit" is just plain wrong.
Feb 04 20:55:11 <benson> I think you could get buy with Pause, but Menu, or return to menu, would be better.
Feb 04 20:55:34 <timeless> we'll try Menu
Feb 04 20:55:38 * benson doesn't like lies, not even honest lies. ;)
Feb 04 20:56:21 <benson> Other options: back, or back to menu...
Feb 04 20:59:02 <timeless> would people object to the browser settings dialog having:
Feb 04 20:59:07 <timeless> "Privacy and Insecurity"
Feb 04 20:59:38 <benson> Not I!
Feb 04 20:59:59 <lcuk> am i wicked if i make liqbase depend on gcc?
Feb 04 21:00:03 <Proteous> yes
Feb 04 21:00:08 <Proteous> you need to be spanked
Feb 04 21:00:26 <lcuk> awww but i could put an ide on the device :)
Feb 04 21:00:49 <qwerty12_N800> Getting gcc means sdk repo :)
Feb 04 21:00:54 <timeless> is "Save form passwords" an understandable checkbox?
Feb 04 21:01:03 <lcuk> thanks qwerty12_N800 thats the decider
Feb 04 21:01:21 <lcuk> i should just prefix every mad thought with "qwerty, can i ..."
Feb 04 21:01:51 <lcuk> 800*480 doesnt scale too well to 1024*768
Feb 04 21:01:56 <lcuk> it leaves borders at the edges
Feb 04 21:02:22 <timeless> "Break the web"
Feb 04 21:02:25 * timeless considers
Feb 04 21:02:46 <lcuk> "let wife see pron signups"
Feb 04 21:02:46 <timeless> ok, how can i rewrite "Enable automatic redirection"
Feb 04 21:02:57 <timeless> "Don't break the web"
Feb 04 21:02:58 <timeless> ?
Feb 04 21:03:11 <timeless> "Don't show stupid dialog"
Feb 04 21:03:12 <timeless> ?
Feb 04 21:03:19 <timeless> "Don't show stupid error"
Feb 04 21:03:32 <lcuk> to be honest, users have heard of redirection
Feb 04 21:03:42 <timeless> to be honest none of these items should exist
Feb 04 21:03:58 <timeless> my favorite feature is that browser cache is 50% smaller than feed reader's
Feb 04 21:04:04 <lcuk> they are options for the browser
Feb 04 21:04:06 <timeless> 1/2..4mb v. 1mb..8mb
Feb 04 21:04:08 <lcuk> didnt you write it?
Feb 04 21:04:12 <timeless> the dialog?
Feb 04 21:04:20 <timeless> no, i inherited it from a spec from 5-8 years ago
Feb 04 21:04:29 <timeless> based on features supported by some random opera mobile browser
Feb 04 21:04:41 <timeless> i've been trying to get rid of most of these prefs since about day 1
Feb 04 21:04:45 <lcuk> heh, theres a name for things like that in out place - its called "stuart code"
Feb 04 21:04:50 <timeless> even a couple of rewrites hasn't helped
Feb 04 21:05:06 <lcuk> stuart gave mel a run for his money
Feb 04 21:05:17 <timeless> anyway
Feb 04 21:05:20 <timeless> suggestions welcome
Feb 04 21:05:44 <matan> AndrewFBlack: What do you mean FN key does not work? It is supposed to work on xkb level, without hildon-input-method support.
Feb 04 21:06:29 <lcuk> timeless, suggestion - leave these as they are?  we are gettin a new browser anyway if all these webkit jobbies work
Feb 04 21:07:01 <timeless> it's kinda sad that a browser engineer rewrites all the strings for the entire platform
Feb 04 21:07:05 <timeless> but gives no ui love to the browser
Feb 04 21:07:14 <timeless> but the reason i never gave ui love, is that it isn't possible
Feb 04 21:07:17 <lcuk> agreed entirely
Feb 04 21:07:49 <lcuk> :) a browser downloads its main ui
Feb 04 21:08:03 <qwerty12_N800> matan, in Mer, the x-server doesn't support it - its keycode is out of the range supported by the xserver. i think there's an evdev & hal hack somewhere for mer to remap it but i'm unsure on the details myself :)
Feb 04 21:08:05 <benson> Don't worry bout it, Tear is gonna obsolete it anyhow. ;)
Feb 04 21:08:20 <timeless> benson: did the debs install?
Feb 04 21:08:28 <lcuk> benson, how do you know something isnt gonna just jump out from nowhere
Feb 04 21:08:41 <benson> Still going.
Feb 04 21:08:57 <timeless> how bad is your network?
Feb 04 21:09:01 <benson> lcuk: liqbrowser?
Feb 04 21:09:22 <benson> timeless: network's fine, CPU clog here.
Feb 04 21:09:33 <lcuk> nahhh not my cup of tea, but when the new liqbase is released its not out of the question for someone to make one
Feb 04 21:09:49 <lcuk> i dont know enough about webkit
Feb 04 21:10:01 <AndrewFBlack> qwerty12_N800, if you find anything about that out let me know I'm use a on screen keyboar right now but it is resource heavy lol
Feb 04 21:10:27 <timeless> Accepts cookies: [Always, Crash when given new cocokies, Never]
Feb 04 21:10:34 <timeless> s/coc/co/
Feb 04 21:10:34 <infobot> timeless meant: Accepts cookies: [Always, Crash when given new cookies, Never]
Feb 04 21:11:09 <timeless> do those options make sense?
Feb 04 21:11:59 <timeless> "Try to crash"
Feb 04 21:12:01 <timeless> "Crash or nag me"
Feb 04 21:12:11 * timeless settles on that last one
Feb 04 21:13:19 <GeneralAntilles> Bundyo's gonna need more help if Tear's gonna obsolete MicroB. :P
Feb 04 21:13:35 * GeneralAntilles wonders about MicroB trademark usage in Fremantle.
Feb 04 21:14:27 <timeless> MicroB trademark?
Feb 04 21:14:44 * timeless didn't think we got a trademark
Feb 04 21:14:58 <lcuk> GeneralAntilles, its ok, we will make sure bundyo gets a list of silly dialog messages to compete ;)
Feb 04 21:14:59 <GeneralAntilles> Whether MicroB will include also include the UI since its open
Feb 04 21:15:14 <GeneralAntilles> Mozilla based browser for Maemo needs to die
Feb 04 21:15:22 <GeneralAntilles> s/Maemo/maemo/
Feb 04 21:15:23 <infobot> GeneralAntilles meant: Mozilla based browser for maemo needs to die
Feb 04 21:15:24 <matan> qwerty12_N800: But you have source of the kernel, why not just replace KEY_FN with some unused value in the range in arch/arm/mach-omap2/board-rx44-keyboard.c (or board-n810-keyboard.c, as might be appropriate)?
Feb 04 21:15:26 <timeless> oh that
Feb 04 21:15:29 <timeless> yeah um
Feb 04 21:15:48 <timeless> do we actually show that anywhere?
Feb 04 21:16:13 <GeneralAntilles> http://browser.garage.maemo.org/
Feb 04 21:16:23 <timeless> well yeah
Feb 04 21:16:27 <timeless> i can rewrite that at any time
Feb 04 21:16:41 <timeless> and if you want permission to rewrite the entire site, sign up, i'll grant it
Feb 04 21:17:05 <GeneralAntilles> Hehe
Feb 04 21:17:09 <GeneralAntilles> Something I've been pondering for a while.
Feb 04 21:18:09 <qwerty12_N800> matan, I'm not Stskeeps nor johnx but I don't think they want people to reflash the kernel if it's going to be the same version, and as it's a pre-release I presume compatibility with Maemo (i.e having the key in Maemo still working) will be wanted currently
Feb 04 21:19:26 <timeless> "Close application and\n"
Feb 04 21:19:26 <timeless> "pause active download?\n"
Feb 04 21:19:26 <timeless> "%s"
Feb 04 21:19:47 <timeless> can anyone explain why that should say 'application' instead of 'Web' ?
Feb 04 21:20:00 * Stskeeps continues talking to bme.
Feb 04 21:20:24 <benson> Because "Web" is a horrible name for a browser, and makes you sound like Ted Stevens?
Feb 04 21:20:37 <timeless> well err
Feb 04 21:20:52 <timeless> i could rename 'Web' to 'Browser' everywhere
Feb 04 21:20:56 <benson> If one accepts "Web", then yes, it should say Web instead of Application.
Feb 04 21:20:57 <timeless> now would be a good time to do that
Feb 04 21:21:03 <timeless> should i?
Feb 04 21:21:32 <benson> Browser's kind lousy too, but better than Web.
Feb 04 21:21:48 <benson> s/d /d of /
Feb 04 21:21:48 <infobot> benson meant: Browser's kind of lousy too, but better than Web.
Feb 04 21:23:41 <Stskeeps> heh
Feb 04 21:23:55 <Stskeeps> making BME get a SIGHUP triggers the wd
Feb 04 21:24:35 <Stskeeps> as in, one of the sighups you get from socket connectiosn
Feb 04 21:24:50 <w00t> ooh, Stskeeps is writing an ircd again
Feb 04 21:24:53 <w00t> </humour>
Feb 04 21:24:58 <Stskeeps> w00t: heh
Feb 04 21:25:08 <lbt> I have a widget which initiates a data change which causes the parent to be deleted during the event handler. What's the Qt pattern for doing this; kinda like 'deleteLater()' but more 'handle_this_event_Later()'
Feb 04 21:25:22 <lbt> oops - wrong channel :)
Feb 04 21:25:30 <w00t> rather :-P
Feb 04 21:25:58 <lbt> well, not *that* wrong :) it's for a Qt app on the n800
Feb 04 21:26:13 <lbt> ho Stskeeps
Feb 04 21:26:28 <Stskeeps> 'lo lbt, how goes it?
Feb 04 21:26:44 <lbt> it goes well - got some free time now
Feb 04 21:26:51 <lbt> rather a lot actually ;)
Feb 04 21:27:07 <lbt> so qtshopper is born
Feb 04 21:27:28 <lbt> but I see 'Mer'.... I've a lot to catch up on!
Feb 04 21:27:41 <Stskeeps> hehe, try browse through http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer
Feb 04 21:27:42 <lbt> how is debnut?
Feb 04 21:28:14 <Stskeeps> well Mer is deblet's successor
Feb 04 21:28:25 <lbt> that was what I thought - cool
Feb 04 21:28:27 <Stskeeps> it was realized deblet would just act like a desktop distribution
Feb 04 21:28:34 <Stskeeps> in terms of power usage and such
Feb 04 21:28:38 * timeless ponders "http://www.navicore.fi/mynavicore/en_GB/"
Feb 04 21:28:41 <timeless> it's an interesting page
Feb 04 21:28:52 <timeless> as long as you're dealing w/ a Symbian app
Feb 04 21:29:29 <lbt> Stskeeps: does the maemo Qt run on it?
Feb 04 21:29:53 <Stskeeps> lbt: didn't compile it for it yet honestly
Feb 04 21:30:04 <qwerty12_N800> woo! all I had to do was to chown 29999:0 as opposed to user:root :)
Feb 04 21:30:20 <timeless> oops
Feb 04 21:30:21 * timeless cries
Feb 04 21:30:24 * timeless screwed up contacts
Feb 04 21:30:29 <lbt> OK - I'm finishing up porting from gtk. It's a lot faster and so much better documented!
Feb 04 21:30:55 <lbt> plus #gtk has tumbleweed whilst #qt has helpful people :)
Feb 04 21:30:57 <lcuk> lbt, hows it run on device then, nice and slick?
Feb 04 21:31:05 <lbt> hey lcuk
Feb 04 21:31:11 <lbt> yes - much nicer
Feb 04 21:31:13 <lcuk> hiya :)
Feb 04 21:31:23 <lbt> been a while
Feb 04 21:31:46 <lcuk> yeah - knew you had your head into qt - after seeing your ++ code i wondered how long it would take
Feb 04 21:32:10 <keesj> Qt FTW
Feb 04 21:32:21 <timeless> ok, looking for final beta testers :)
Feb 04 21:32:25 <timeless> anyone up for it?
Feb 04 21:32:40 * lcuk mutters something about destruction of the c++ language, qt has its own dialect
Feb 04 21:32:46 * keesj was just about to go into suspend 
Feb 04 21:33:07 * benson cheers anything involving destruction of C++!
Feb 04 21:33:33 <lcuk> i have a love hate relationship with it - i want objects, but i dont want the brainfunk
Feb 04 21:33:44 <benson> timeless: in 5 minutes, I'm up.
Feb 04 21:33:50 <lbt> qt is bootiful
Feb 04 21:33:50 <lcuk> i keep seriously considering getting cfront working
Feb 04 21:34:21 <lbt> timeless: for...
Feb 04 21:34:36 <lcuk> lbt, liqbase has been split into 2 now - a core library, and a ui app.  the ui allows dynamic components to be added :)
Feb 04 21:34:41 <lcuk> its all coming to life quite nicely
Feb 04 21:34:47 <timeless> benson: ok, it's building packages now. i'll let you know when it's pushed
Feb 04 21:35:32 <lcuk> lbt, have you got proper touchable widgets yet - when i looked at qt a few weeks ago on my x41 the qt designer still used mouse sensitive lists and things
Feb 04 21:36:04 <lcuk> so i was sat there with my touchscreen having to aim for a little biddy tiny teeny scrollbar ;)
Feb 04 21:36:20 <lbt> nah - this is pure Qt 4.3
Feb 04 21:36:26 <lbt> (or 4.4)
Feb 04 21:36:52 <timeless> ok, pushed
Feb 04 21:36:56 <lcuk> yeah - i know apps built in qt compile on multi platforms, but the paradigm isnt the same for touch
Feb 04 21:37:25 * lcuk sees that more and more
Feb 04 21:37:49 <lbt> I'm just playing in the app space for now - but I'm delighted that 'all' I needed to do was replace the ui, not the data or xml stuff
Feb 04 21:38:18 <wazd> `whew, I'm back
Feb 04 21:38:22 <lcuk> yeah that core was fine no matter what ui really
Feb 04 21:38:56 <lcuk> damn! compiling for my x41 - ive got a bug in the blitter :'(
Feb 04 21:42:42 <timeless> gan?
Feb 04 21:42:46 <user_> m_sparks
Feb 04 21:42:47 <timeless> what's the user/ section for translations?
Feb 04 21:43:13 * benson goes for the beta...
Feb 04 21:46:25 <GeneralAntilles> timeless, user/system probably
Feb 04 21:46:33 * timeless frowns
Feb 04 21:46:35 <timeless> ok
Feb 04 21:46:45 * timeless thinks one of the packages will fail on mer
Feb 04 21:46:55 <timeless> or if not fail, do something extremely stupid
Feb 04 21:47:00 <GeneralAntilles> Translations for a certain application will end up under that application's "category" eventually.
Feb 04 21:47:06 * Jaffa nods
Feb 04 21:47:07 <RST38h> wazd: Around?
Feb 04 21:48:35 <wazd> RST38h: yep
Feb 04 21:49:01 <timeless> ok, packaging problem
Feb 04 21:49:19 <timeless> how do i make Foo depend on Bar or Nothing
Feb 04 21:49:29 <timeless> do i need to make a no-bar package
Feb 04 21:49:44 <timeless> and have Bar depend on the thing it wants to munge (Ba)
Feb 04 21:49:50 <timeless> and have Nothing conflict with Ba
Feb 04 21:49:51 <timeless> ?
Feb 04 21:50:03 <RST38h> wazd: http://www.albion.edu/math/MBollman/TI85.jpg
Feb 04 21:50:20 <timeless> because right now... If you try to install on Mer, it should fail
Feb 04 21:50:24 <qwerty12_N800> Or's are done like '1package | alternatepackage'
Feb 04 21:50:24 <RST38h> wazd: the "display" is going to be 256x128 pixels
Feb 04 21:50:30 <timeless> since i'm trying to munge tutorial which isn't part of Mer
Feb 04 21:50:49 <RST38h> wazd: the whole thing will be 480x800, gonna make it look exactly like the real calculator
Feb 04 21:51:17 <balor> Should the N810 power on when connected to AC via the charger, but with no battery present?
Feb 04 21:51:31 <Jaffa> timeless: couldn't you have your "no-bar" package be one of Mer's system packages which aren't in Maemo?
Feb 04 21:51:59 <timeless> jaffa: yeah
Feb 04 21:52:00 <timeless> i think i can solve this by fixing my postinst
Feb 04 21:52:00 <wazd> RST38h: got it
Feb 04 21:52:09 <wazd> RST38h: will be ready tomorow :)
Feb 04 21:52:11 <timeless> interesting
Feb 04 21:52:15 <timeless> Estimated time remaing
Feb 04 21:52:19 <timeless> 18 hours, maximum
Feb 04 21:52:22 <timeless> Less than one hour of use
Feb 04 21:52:51 <RST38h> wazd: if you can fit it into ~ 720x400, do so by all means
Feb 04 21:53:07 <RST38h> wazd: this is approximately how much window space we have got when not in full screen mode
Feb 04 21:53:21 <lcuk> RST38h, its less with the hildon borders
Feb 04 21:53:33 <timeless> ok
Feb 04 21:53:34 <RST38h> lcuk: how much is it exactly?
Feb 04 21:53:35 <lcuk> but native x11 has 720*400 allocated
Feb 04 21:53:39 <timeless> "Tap 'Restart' to try again"
Feb 04 21:53:40 <timeless> or
Feb 04 21:53:45 <timeless> "Tap 'Restart' to play again"
Feb 04 21:53:56 <lcuk> /#define HILDON_APPVIEW_HEIGHT          396
Feb 04 21:53:56 <lcuk> /#define HILDON_APPVIEW_WIDTH           672
Feb 04 21:53:57 <wazd> RST38h: so what's the size?)
Feb 04 21:54:06 <RST38h> wazd: what lcuk says
Feb 04 21:54:08 <lcuk> i adjusted yesterday for it
Feb 04 21:54:09 <wazd> k
Feb 04 21:54:14 <lcuk> and im not sure how fixed that is
Feb 04 21:54:20 <wazd> 396x672
Feb 04 21:54:29 <lcuk> i found that ages ago looking around for something else
Feb 04 21:54:29 <RST38h> wazdL 672x396 will fit the window, 800x480 will fir the whole screen
Feb 04 21:54:55 <RST38h> wazd: you decide if it fits 396x672 (does not have to)
Feb 04 21:55:19 <lcuk> randomly cut off buttons until it fits
Feb 04 21:55:25 <wazd> RST38h: well, what would you prefer?)
Feb 04 21:55:26 <lcuk> people wont miss a few number keys etc
Feb 04 21:55:44 <wazd> RST38h: I can do 2 versions for example
Feb 04 21:55:58 <wazd> RST38h: and you'll choose the right one)
Feb 04 21:59:49 * timeless frowns
Feb 04 21:59:56 <timeless> anyone know what "internal memory" is?
Feb 04 22:00:02 * timeless hopes it's "system storage"
Feb 04 22:00:08 <Jucato> internal 2GB "card"?
Feb 04 22:00:15 <timeless> i don't think so
Feb 04 22:00:18 <Jucato> (on the n810...)
Feb 04 22:00:20 <timeless> or i hope not
Feb 04 22:00:24 <wazd> RST38h: is it kind of shell on the back? I should not draw it I guess
Feb 04 22:01:51 <RST38h> wazd: only the buttons and the display of course
Feb 04 22:01:59 <RST38h> wazd: I think we should go full screen:
Feb 04 22:02:28 <RST38h> wazd: the original ti85 had 128x64 display. Multiplied by 3 this will be 384x192
Feb 04 22:02:29 <wazd> RST38h: since the body is kinda 16:9 it becomes interesting task :)
Feb 04 22:02:43 <RST38h> wazd: so it will fit the full screen almost exactly
Feb 04 22:03:01 <wazd> RST38h: no it's not :)
Feb 04 22:03:08 <wazd> RST38h: screen is 16:10
Feb 04 22:03:30 <wazd> RST38h: but I'll make it look familiar :)
Feb 04 22:03:46 <wazd> so screen should be 384x192?
Feb 04 22:03:58 <wazd> or 256x128
Feb 04 22:04:35 * timeless wonders what "Delete selected item(s) from device?" means
Feb 04 22:04:38 <wazd> 384x192 is better
Feb 04 22:04:56 <wazd> timeless: it's from mediaplayer
Feb 04 22:05:00 * timeless changes it to "Delete selected item(s)?"
Feb 04 22:05:05 <wazd> timeless: no
Feb 04 22:05:09 <timeless> no?
Feb 04 22:05:21 <timeless> is this for remote devices?
Feb 04 22:05:25 <wazd> timeless: it writes you that when you're deleting something from the playlist
Feb 04 22:05:36 <timeless> ?#@!$E@$#QQ@
Feb 04 22:05:56 <wazd> timeless: there are two options
Feb 04 22:06:08 <wazd> timeless: remove from playlist and delete
Feb 04 22:06:28 <timeless> do i need mp3s in order to test this?
Feb 04 22:06:54 <wazd> timeless: you need any music file that built in mp plays :)
Feb 04 22:07:23 * RST38h is going to move the emulator over to maemo now
Feb 04 22:07:33 * timeless doesn't have any
Feb 04 22:07:53 <timeless> wait, would .wav files work?
Feb 04 22:08:16 <timeless> (does windows still have .wav files?)
Feb 04 22:09:55 <RST38h> did ti85 have a beeper?
Feb 04 22:10:03 <RST38h> did it click?
Feb 04 22:11:25 * Jucato hears in his head, "does it blend?"...
Feb 04 22:11:47 <timeless> wazd: but Delete really does delete, right?
Feb 04 22:15:25 * timeless sighs
Feb 04 22:15:32 <timeless> "Media codec is not supported"
Feb 04 22:15:47 <timeless> i can't believe i'm getting that for standard sounds that come from wXP
Feb 04 22:17:57 <timeless> "Delete selected file(s)?"
Feb 04 22:18:12 * timeless wonders how someone could w...
Feb 04 22:18:13 <timeless> wiat
Feb 04 22:19:02 <timeless> ok
Feb 04 22:19:04 <timeless> so...
Feb 04 22:19:09 <timeless> "from the device" is bad
Feb 04 22:19:14 <timeless> since it could be an mmc
Feb 04 22:19:20 * timeless is done w/ that stupid string
Feb 04 22:19:29 <RST38h> Bill Gates Just Unleashed a Swarm Of Live Mosquitoes On A Room Full of Geniuses
Feb 04 22:19:33 <RST38h> Umgh
Feb 04 22:27:21 <lcuk> RST38h, wazd, you are re-implementing the ti-85 in software yes?  giving it a new lick of paint?  why are you trying to force an older (though distinguished) design into it - see what works natively and cleanly by following the lines of the old but giving it a new spin :)
Feb 04 22:29:55 * r2d2rogers is watching fennec running slowly on his 770
Feb 04 22:32:10 <doc|home> how do you right click -> download on tear? :/
Feb 04 22:36:38 <lcuk> i thought the g1 used 3d accel?
Feb 04 22:42:20 <timeless> "Device is the selected phone. Delete anyway?\n"
Feb 04 22:42:20 <timeless> "%s"
Feb 04 22:42:29 <timeless> "Delete preferred phone?\n"
Feb 04 22:42:31 <timeless> "%s"
Feb 04 22:42:43 <timeless> would that second string pair make sense?
Feb 04 22:44:34 <kkrusty> I cant find flite in maemo extras. :(
Feb 04 23:08:36 * timeless sighs
Feb 04 23:08:39 * timeless kicks personal menu
Feb 04 23:09:12 * b-man thinks of something to do
Feb 04 23:09:18 <kkrusty> okay are there any other speech synthesis applications that are recommended with maemo?
Feb 04 23:09:21 <kkrusty> I couldnt find flite
Feb 04 23:09:29 <timeless> where is personal menu?
Feb 04 23:09:33 <timeless> (as a project)
Feb 04 23:09:36 <timeless> it doesn't seem to be in garage
Feb 04 23:10:04 <b-man> good question :\
Feb 04 23:10:39 <GeneralAntilles> kkrusty, it's in Extras. . . .
Feb 04 23:11:10 <benson> timeless: https://garage.maemo.org/projects/personal-menu
Feb 04 23:12:52 <kkrusty> diablo extras?
Feb 04 23:14:12 <timeless> gan: i'm going to give it a bugzilla product
Feb 04 23:14:25 <GeneralAntilles> kkrusty, Chinook
Feb 04 23:14:32 <GeneralAntilles> timeless, you want me to email fiferboy, then? :P
Feb 04 23:14:46 <GeneralAntilles> gnuite's getting back to me with the descriptions.
Feb 04 23:15:02 <GeneralAntilles> timeless, he gave me a list of components, do you want to add those for now and we can come back to the descriptions later?
Feb 04 23:15:03 * kkrusty salutes the general
Feb 04 23:15:05 <timeless> sure
Feb 04 23:15:56 <timeless> /var/lib/bugzilla/data/versioncache did not return a true value at /usr/share/bugzilla/globals.pl line 316.
Feb 04 23:16:10 <timeless> did someone break bugs.maemo.org?
Feb 04 23:16:23 <GeneralAntilles> Good, got an email back from Richard.
Feb 04 23:16:33 <GeneralAntilles> timeless, looks like it.
Feb 04 23:16:42 <timeless> do you have a number to call, or do i?
Feb 04 23:16:55 <t_s_o> hmm, swatch internet time. been a while since i heard about that one :P
Feb 04 23:17:20 <GeneralAntilles> timeless, I don't have any numbers. ;)
Feb 04 23:17:36 <GeneralAntilles> t_s_o, ha, I bet their disappointed that didn't catch on.
Feb 04 23:19:43 <timeless> "Room name changed to: %s"
Feb 04 23:19:43 * timeless sighs
Feb 04 23:20:14 <timeless> ok, my computer's on strike
Feb 04 23:21:16 <timeless> um
Feb 04 23:21:20 <timeless> anyone here use Chat?
Feb 04 23:21:29 <timeless> what's the difference between a Topic and a Room Description?
Feb 04 23:22:21 <GeneralAntilles> Depends on the protocol, maybe?
Feb 04 23:23:08 <LinuxCode> room description?
Feb 04 23:23:12 <LinuxCode> that cant be irc
Feb 04 23:23:18 <LinuxCode> that would be a channel
Feb 04 23:23:43 <timeless> can you ever have both at the same time (with distinct values)?
Feb 04 23:23:53 <LinuxCode> i think the one is the channel
Feb 04 23:24:10 <LinuxCode> i.e. #channel and the topic is the actual topic for that channel
Feb 04 23:24:20 <LinuxCode> timeless, check out the irc rfc
Feb 04 23:24:40 <timeless> linuxcode: i've been using irc for >10 years
Feb 04 23:24:53 <timeless> i haven't used presence for more than a couple of days
Feb 04 23:25:05 <timeless> and these stupid strings come from Chavo/RTCom, not IRC
Feb 04 23:25:48 <LinuxCode> fair enough
Feb 04 23:26:28 <timeless> people are welcome to try to encoutner hello-in-helsinki@conference.jabber.org fwiw
Feb 04 23:26:40 * timeless needs to understand how these strings are used
Feb 04 23:29:10 * Proteous needs to understand how to consume more cake
Feb 04 23:32:58 * timeless grumbles
Feb 04 23:33:10 <timeless> what does a white > w/ a green square backgroudn mean? :)
Feb 04 23:33:12 <t_s_o> GeneralAntilles: maybe so, maybe so. seems someone made a applet for it now tho
Feb 04 23:33:38 <genewitch> i think i am going to write my own how-to for this, the ones on the site are really hard to grok
Feb 04 23:33:44 <t_s_o> i kinda liked the concept btw, tho it may have gotten a bit more attention had it been centered on GMT, not ECT...
Feb 04 23:33:53 <kkrusty> GeneralAntilles: is there a better speech synthesizer than flite?
Feb 04 23:33:55 <timeless> ECT?
Feb 04 23:35:13 <t_s_o> oops, CET ;)
Feb 04 23:42:37 <doc|home> anyone got any idea why I'm getting 'incompatible application package' when trying to install tear?
Feb 04 23:42:47 <GeneralAntilles> Not in user/* ?
Feb 04 23:42:50 <GeneralAntilles> just dpkg -i it
Feb 04 23:43:05 <doc|home> ok
Feb 04 23:45:29 <genewitch> Also note that "make depend" won't work; while all of the known universe uses -M, the SPARCompiler uses -xM to generate makefile dependencies.
Feb 04 23:48:38 <genewitch> when i type ./configure on this source deb's source, it says "cannot run C compiled program; if you meant to cross compile, use '--host'."
Feb 04 23:48:56 <genewitch> so if i type ./configure --host=arm; it chums happily along
Feb 04 23:49:38 <genewitch> and if i type ./configure --host=cookies, it says ./config.sub cookies failed.
Feb 04 23:50:19 <genewitch> oh, but --host=arm throws a warning "if you are trying to cross compile, this should be detected blahdeblahdeblah
Feb 04 23:50:43 <genewitch> so at what stage am i doing the right(or wrong) thing, and what should i do differently?
Feb 04 23:52:56 <genewitch> AKA is the --host the compiling machine, or the recipient machine's arch?
Feb 04 23:54:43 * timeless frowns
Feb 04 23:54:47 <timeless> tuto_ti_get_started
Feb 04 23:55:17 <timeless> anyone here have personal menu installed?
Feb 04 23:56:51 <timeless> wow, my device said it could last for 7 hours of use
Feb 05 00:03:02 <timeless> so, i need someone to talk me through pushing packages ;)
Feb 05 00:05:50 <timeless> um, garage didn't like me
Feb 05 00:07:20 <GeneralAntilles> I couldn't say I blame it. :P
Feb 05 00:08:34 <timeless> GAN: can i blame you?
Feb 05 00:08:36 <timeless> dput fails
Feb 05 00:08:59 <timeless> Permission denied (publickey,keyboard-interactive)
Feb 05 00:09:48 <timeless> so, what do i need to do?
Feb 05 00:10:36 * GeneralAntilles is the last person to troubleshoot upload issues
Feb 05 00:10:49 <fireun> whats power usage for the n8xxx at full load?
Feb 05 00:10:57 <GeneralAntilles> fireun, not much.
Feb 05 00:12:04 <GeneralAntilles> I'd guess about 1-2 watts under full load
Feb 05 00:12:18 <fireun> compared to what, in a average laptop?
Feb 05 00:12:20 <GeneralAntilles> CPU, DSP, both cards churning, wifi, bluetooth, LCD
Feb 05 00:12:22 <fireun> factor of 100?
Feb 05 00:12:41 <GeneralAntilles> fireun, depending on the laptop.
Feb 05 00:12:43 <GeneralAntilles> Often more than that.
Feb 05 00:13:08 <fireun> I see 52w as an average quoted for laptop usage
Feb 05 00:13:25 <GeneralAntilles> The idle consumption is the really impressive number. ;)
Feb 05 00:13:38 <derf> 52W is insanely high.
Feb 05 00:13:48 <genewitch> what pcap filter would i need for the n800?
Feb 05 00:14:10 <derf> A 20W-35W range is much more reasonable.
Feb 05 00:14:18 <benson> But a laptop might vary from 30W to 60 W, while the N8x0 varies from a few mW tyo one or two watts.
Feb 05 00:14:22 <roope> A standard desktop computer spends 200W easily.
Feb 05 00:14:39 <roope> Some use 400W. My lcd tv uses 200W when its on.
Feb 05 00:14:46 <roope> it's.
Feb 05 00:14:50 <timeless> roope: what are you doing awake at this hour?
Feb 05 00:15:10 <benson> So the average ratio is even greater than the ratio of peak power figures.
Feb 05 00:15:13 <roope> I'm sick. My sleeping rhythm is off.
Feb 05 00:15:24 <timeless> go back to sleep :)
Feb 05 00:15:43 <timeless> gan: were you the one who gave me some special page to configure my ssh keys for garage?
Feb 05 00:17:53 <GeneralAntilles> timeless, wasn't me.
Feb 05 00:19:15 <andre__> uh. bugzilla down?
Feb 05 00:20:24 <timeless> yes
Feb 05 00:20:26 <timeless> welcome back
Feb 05 00:20:29 <timeless> please fix
Feb 05 00:20:36 <timeless> i might have broken it, but it's not my fault :)
Feb 05 00:20:41 <GeneralAntilles> Hehe
Feb 05 00:21:01 <timeless> oh and um. i can't use garage to push packages
Feb 05 00:21:08 <timeless> and i have a large gob i want to push!
Feb 05 00:21:09 <andre__> well. i guess i don't have access to fix :)
Feb 05 00:21:18 <timeless> really?
Feb 05 00:21:20 <timeless> gah
Feb 05 00:23:23 <andre__> timeless, ...broken it by what?
Feb 05 00:23:58 <timeless> i was trying to add a product right before it died
Feb 05 00:29:13 <andre__> timeless, ah, ok. your fault - just go ahead and fix it ;-))
Feb 05 00:31:57 <andre__> no direct access to the machine myself...
Feb 05 00:38:51 * andre__ crossing fingers that marcell and stefano will read their mail tomorrow morning and take a look at bugs.maemo.org :-/
Feb 05 00:42:55 <timeless> no ssh access?
Feb 05 00:43:13 <timeless> is there an oncall pagable person?
Feb 05 00:43:14 <andre__> nope
Feb 05 00:43:27 <timeless> i'm perfectly willing to look someone up in phonebook
Feb 05 00:44:25 <x29a> hmm, i want to stream my n810 camera to the internet, but cant even get gstreamer installed, is the task impossible in maemo?
Feb 05 00:44:39 <x29a> or is there an easy app called 'streamTheCam' and it just works?
Feb 05 00:44:55 <GeneralAntilles> Um, gstreamer is bundled. . . .
Feb 05 00:45:10 <x29a> what does that mean? in the package repo?
Feb 05 00:45:18 <x29a> i couldnt apt-get it or start it
Feb 05 00:47:15 <timeless> andre__: so...
Feb 05 00:47:22 <timeless> how do i push to diablo-extras-devel? :)
Feb 05 00:47:38 <GeneralAntilles> ~upload-extras
Feb 05 00:47:39 <infobot> upload-extras is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Uploading_to_Extras
Feb 05 00:47:48 <timeless> yeah, i read that
Feb 05 00:47:51 <timeless> it doesn't work
Feb 05 00:47:57 <timeless> it just says it doesn't like my ssh key
Feb 05 00:48:15 <andre__> timeless, i don't think stefano or marcell will be happy at 3AM to get called ;-)
Feb 05 00:51:53 <andre__> i've sent them an email, hope they will fix it soon
Feb 05 00:52:23 <GeneralAntilles> The day Bugzilla died. :P
Feb 05 00:53:11 * timeless tries to remember if localhost runs sshd
Feb 05 00:53:55 <x29a> hmmm, GeneralAntilles, i have no clue how to solve this
Feb 05 00:54:35 <andre__> as already said: no direct access to the machine myself...
Feb 05 00:54:44 * andre__ expects 10 pings tonight
Feb 05 00:55:40 <GeneralAntilles> x29a, http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/maemo/developers/38676 or http://wiki.maemo.org/Streaming_video_from_built-in_webcam
Feb 05 00:58:35 <timeless> gan?
Feb 05 00:58:40 <timeless> https://garage.maemo.org/extras-assistant/index.php?step=3
Feb 05 00:58:43 <timeless> File upload error. You didn't upload a valid .changes file.
Feb 05 00:59:19 <timeless> oh
Feb 05 00:59:21 <timeless> that sucks
Feb 05 00:59:32 <timeless> it should tell me if there's a difference between a binary and a source changes file
Feb 05 01:00:06 <timeless> ok, there'sa button "move files to autobuilder queue"
Feb 05 01:00:08 <timeless> do i have to press it?
Feb 05 01:00:46 * GeneralAntilles doesn't know.
Feb 05 01:05:31 <towo> Mhhhm. On a sort of related note, does anybody know whether GPSd exists for S60?
Feb 05 01:07:33 * timeless sighs
Feb 05 01:07:38 * timeless forgot to do one thing
Feb 05 01:07:52 <timeless> andre__/gan: is it possible to destroy things from the autobuilder?
Feb 05 01:08:45 <GeneralAntilles> "destroy"?
Feb 05 01:09:32 <timeless> i don't want the files to be in the repository
Feb 05 01:10:20 <GeneralAntilles> Oh. For removing stuff you'll have to talk to X-Fade.
Feb 05 01:10:36 <Lamo> the default browser on maemo is really slow, so i was gonna install webkit but cant find the repos containing it.
Feb 05 01:11:06 <andre__> webkit is not a browser.
Feb 05 01:11:07 <timeless> lamo: what sites do you visit w/ the browser?
Feb 05 01:11:14 <timeless> and what andre__ said
Feb 05 01:11:25 <Lamo> google.com
Feb 05 01:11:35 <Lamo> no but i want to install tear
Feb 05 01:11:45 <Lamo> need webkit for the engine
Feb 05 01:12:18 <Lamo> also i hear it makes the defualt browser faster if used for the engine
Feb 05 01:12:32 <GeneralAntilles> Eh
Feb 05 01:12:37 <GeneralAntilles> WebKit on Maemo is still very unstable
Feb 05 01:12:59 <timeless> Google loads very quickly in my n800
Feb 05 01:13:02 <Lamo> takes about 30 seconds to load google.com right  now
Feb 05 01:13:14 <timeless> it took me <<3s to load google.com
Feb 05 01:13:26 <benson> Lamo: check "Fit width to page"
Feb 05 01:13:33 <benson> It should be off.
Feb 05 01:13:52 <benson> When it's on, it simultaneously slows things hideously and mangles them.
Feb 05 01:15:02 <Lamo> that wasnt checked
Feb 05 01:15:28 <benson> Lamo: Latest Tear and Bundyo's builds of webkit are at http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=26475
Feb 05 01:15:49 <Lamo> thanks
Feb 05 01:16:31 <benson> What sort of connection you using?
Feb 05 01:17:52 <Lamo> wifi cable
Feb 05 01:17:57 <Lamo> really fast
Feb 05 01:18:16 <benson> I get Google in 20 seconds with a slow EDGE link, and my phone in my pocket,  not at the window.
Feb 05 01:18:24 <Lamo> browser freezes a lot too
Feb 05 01:18:26 <benson> Ad-block?
Feb 05 01:18:47 <Lamo> have  to kill it in xterm with killall browser
Feb 05 01:18:54 <Lamo> i do have adblock
Feb 05 01:18:54 <GeneralAntilles> You broke something.
Feb 05 01:19:05 <GeneralAntilles> Yeah, uninstall that.
Feb 05 01:19:17 <Lamo> yeah probably just got it and been playing around
Feb 05 01:19:22 <Lamo> might reflash it
Feb 05 01:19:24 <benson> adblock slows things down; I don't think it was _that_ bad, but it was enough I unsinstalled it long ago.
Feb 05 01:19:44 <GeneralAntilles> CSS/hosts is the way to do ad blocking
Feb 05 01:21:51 * timeless grumbles
Feb 05 01:22:00 <timeless> gan: remind me to file a bug against extras-assitant
Feb 05 01:22:06 <timeless> its page titles are not remotely helpful
Feb 05 01:22:13 <GeneralAntilles> Hehe
Feb 05 01:22:24 <timeless> is the diablo build queue global or per user?
Feb 05 01:22:27 <GeneralAntilles> The autobuilder/Extras stuff should be getting a kick in the pants with the new debmaster.
Feb 05 01:22:31 <GeneralAntilles> Global
Feb 05 01:22:48 <timeless> and how does it sort things?
Feb 05 01:22:54 <timeless> can you tell me the last thing added to the queue?
Feb 05 01:23:56 <GeneralAntilles> timeless, h-a-m l10n
Feb 05 01:24:11 <timeless> is there any way to prune or manage the queue?
Feb 05 01:24:35 <GeneralAntilles> Not that I know of.
Feb 05 01:25:00 <timeless> is there a queue limit?
Feb 05 01:25:08 <timeless> because i've tried to put a couple of things in after that
Feb 05 01:25:16 <GeneralAntilles> Dunno
Feb 05 01:25:16 <timeless> and it doesn't seem to be going anywhere
Feb 05 01:25:19 <wazd> guys, is that nice enough? http://i056.radikal.ru/0902/a4/3d797fe48fe9.jpg
Feb 05 01:26:14 <GeneralAntilles> wazd, is this for an emulator?
Feb 05 01:26:31 <wazd> GeneralAntilles: yep
Feb 05 01:26:52 <GeneralAntilles> Ha
Feb 05 01:26:53 <GeneralAntilles> Nice
Feb 05 01:27:44 <timeless> wazd: looks like a ti82
Feb 05 01:28:42 <wazd> timeless: it's Ti 85 :)
Feb 05 01:28:51 <wazd> timeless: slightly resized
Feb 05 01:29:28 <timeless> 85s were black, no?
Feb 05 01:30:26 <wazd> timeless: yep, so does the picture :)
Feb 05 01:30:47 <timeless> it looked gray
Feb 05 01:30:52 <wazd> timeless: pitch black is boring, I prefered some nice gradient :)
Feb 05 01:31:02 <wazd> http://www.datamath.org/Graphing/Images/TI-85_1.jpg
Feb 05 01:31:20 <wazd> Ti is sort of gray too :)
Feb 05 01:31:20 <timeless> indeed, SOLVER was a ti85 feature
Feb 05 01:31:49 <timeless> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:TI-82.png
Feb 05 01:32:25 <timeless> i always remembered the 85 as being tru black
Feb 05 01:32:36 <timeless> whereas the 81 was blue and the 82/83 were gray
Feb 05 01:33:10 <timeless> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:TI-86.jpg
Feb 05 01:33:16 <timeless> of course, there was also the 86
Feb 05 01:33:24 * timeless hasn't really used these in a long time
Feb 05 01:34:16 <wazd> timeless: well, I have to make background a bit gray to make buttons visible :)
Feb 05 01:36:22 * timeless sighs
Feb 05 01:36:38 <wazd> is it better to move white labels up as on Ti 85 itself?
Feb 05 01:38:11 <x29a> GeneralAntilles: wow, works, thank you, its a bit unhandy with rtp, but works
Feb 05 01:47:52 <GeneralAntilles> timeless, if you want to re-upload, you have to increment the build number. ;)
Feb 05 01:49:58 <timeless> gan: i kinda want to destroy the old things
Feb 05 01:50:10 <timeless> can't someone delete them for me?
Feb 05 01:51:39 <GeneralAntilles> X-Fade or MishaS
Feb 05 01:56:48 <timeless> oh
Feb 05 01:56:54 <timeless> so that's why you knew it didn't like me
Feb 05 02:14:59 <GeneralAntilles> timeless, lol, no. That was just me being snarky. ;)
Feb 05 02:15:11 <GeneralAntilles> I didn't notice the real problem until I saw the rejection emails in my builder folder.
Feb 05 02:24:49 <timeless> gan: ok, it's 4:25a
Feb 05 02:24:52 <timeless> food closes at 5a
Feb 05 02:24:59 <timeless> if things go semi ok
Feb 05 02:25:01 <timeless> there should be um
Feb 05 02:25:19 <timeless> 64 .debs
Feb 05 02:25:33 <timeless> hand pushing 1 deb at a time using the upload 'wizard' is um. lame.
Feb 05 02:31:29 <GeneralAntilles> timeless, are they all in user/* or did you put together a meta-package?
Feb 05 02:33:29 <timeless> there's only one user/
Feb 05 02:33:41 <timeless> it should be the last thing i pushed
Feb 05 02:33:51 <timeless> language-support-translations-enus1
Feb 05 02:34:16 <timeless> can you imagine trying to hand install 63 packages? :)
Feb 05 02:34:17 <GeneralAntilles> Did you give it a Maemo-Display-Name?
Feb 05 02:34:23 <timeless> a what?>
Feb 05 02:34:39 <timeless> that wasn't in the debian.org docs :)
Feb 05 02:34:51 <GeneralAntilles> http://maemo.org/community/council/maemo_packaging_features_you-re_missing_out_on/
Feb 05 02:35:06 <GeneralAntilles> http://hildon-app-mgr.garage.maemo.org/packaging-stable.html
Feb 05 02:35:54 <timeless> XB-Maemo-Display-Name: US English Device translation written by a native speaker
Feb 05 02:35:59 <timeless> is that too long? :)
Feb 05 02:36:13 <GeneralAntilles> Yes
Feb 05 02:36:27 <timeless> write one, i'll use it :)
Feb 05 02:36:39 <GeneralAntilles> I'll ponder on it.
Feb 05 02:36:45 <GeneralAntilles> Re-writing the repository.maemo.org page
Feb 05 02:37:07 <timeless> btw, if you find a simple 26x26 american flag
Feb 05 02:37:10 <timeless> i'll add that too :)
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