**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Feb 05 02:59:58 2009 Feb 05 03:08:46 hi, how to set evince to be the default pdf reader Feb 05 03:14:03 has anyone done a successful pcap port? Feb 05 03:19:34 because i've already ported kismet, iptraf, and am porting wireshark, but the device needs libpcap0.8 Feb 05 03:19:50 trying to compile it leads to needing to know what packet filter to use Feb 05 03:23:08 in about production, it shows: version(null). what's wrong? Feb 05 03:24:04 I mean in control panel. Feb 05 03:25:05 RockyDd: what OS is it running? Feb 05 03:25:10 mine doesn't show (null) Feb 05 03:25:20 it shows 5.2008.43-7 Feb 05 03:25:39 os2008, it was right before. Feb 05 03:26:11 I don't know what lead this, I installed many softwares recently Feb 05 03:31:11 RockyDd, it's not important. Ignore it. Feb 05 03:31:43 Hey Feb 05 03:31:43 I think so, just want to know why Feb 05 03:31:57 RockyDd, the value gets corrupted sometimes. Feb 05 03:32:16 can I fix it? Feb 05 03:33:12 Hey whats a good onscreen keyboard for regular linux Feb 05 03:40:15 AFBN810: xkbd, xvkbd, gtkeyboard, probably a bunch others... Feb 05 03:42:33 AFBN810: onboard virtual keyboard ;) Feb 05 03:43:39 AFBN810: xkbd, xvkbd, gtkeyboard, probably a bunch others... Feb 05 03:44:01 why can't i just have a development environment/tools on the n800? Feb 05 03:44:08 there is also onboard ;) Feb 05 03:44:37 onboard is lagging for me Feb 05 03:46:57 timeless: Still hunting flags? Feb 05 03:48:39 I tossed a couple together. One looks nice and has the right number/configuration of stars, the other has the right proportions... Feb 05 03:48:43 http://www.nd.edu/~bmitche3/images/flags/ Feb 05 03:57:44 hunting sleep i think Feb 05 04:00:38 so um Feb 05 04:00:54 maemo-mapper hung my apt-get Feb 05 05:45:42 morning Feb 05 05:49:17 all debian init scripts have BEGIN INIT INFO block. tell me please, is it really used for something? Feb 05 05:51:18 yeah, it's required for realigning the warp core fields Feb 05 05:51:40 to preserver the configuration of the dilithium crystal matrix Feb 05 05:52:35 if you didn't do it you would get slowly degrading warp field containment resulting in a core breach and destruction of the device Feb 05 05:53:10 sorry, just watched an episode of star trek Feb 05 05:54:14 "The entries in the "INIT INFO" section are comments which are read by insserv and the YaST runlevel editor. They specify what this service should be known as to other init scripts, what other services are required for this one to run, and what runlevels to be active in." Feb 05 05:54:14 hehe Feb 05 05:54:36 insserv - ? Feb 05 05:54:52 sorry, cut and paste from probably a not exacly the same context example Feb 05 05:55:14 replace "insserv" and "YaST" with equivalent values Feb 05 05:55:40 that paste was refering to SUSE Feb 05 05:56:02 why then all tthat crappy 'S12345/K67890' numbers in /etc/rc.d if it _knows_ in what order swrvices should be started? Feb 05 05:56:34 here is probably a more accurate page: http://wiki.debian.org/LSBInitScripts Feb 05 05:57:51 if it isn't I take no responsibility for not knowing WTF I am really googling for Feb 05 05:59:44 that doesn't tell a word why everyone puts numbers and services start in alphabetical order Feb 05 05:59:58 maybe they just have OCD Feb 05 06:00:09 or maybe it makes it easier to read/fine stuff Feb 05 06:00:28 or maybe linus will come to thier house and kill them in thier sleep if they don't!!!! Feb 05 06:00:32 * Proteous hides Feb 05 06:00:47 oh, i know a simple testcase. is there a parallel rc script launcher? Feb 05 06:00:51 * slonopotamus googles Feb 05 06:02:27 haha Feb 05 06:02:31 no, there isn't Feb 05 06:03:01 all this stuff is just crap Feb 05 06:03:43 debian doesn't build dependency graph and start services in that order Feb 05 06:04:28 no, but it mgight eventuallj Feb 05 06:05:39 Stskeeps, script sequence is _not_ based on these comment block Feb 05 06:05:41 s Feb 05 06:06:15 and this is the ugliest idea - to use comments for something except for comments Feb 05 06:07:31 annotations Feb 05 06:07:37 seen before Feb 05 06:08:03 #!/bin/sh is a comment.. Feb 05 06:13:21 oh my Feb 05 06:13:33 dropped stylo on street Feb 05 06:13:45 and ~200 people walked on it Feb 05 06:13:58 but i found it back :) Feb 05 06:19:26 Stskeeps, your nit-bootnemu-compat script says it depends on udev. but it isn't true Feb 05 06:20:04 Stskeeps, nit-boot-basics Feb 05 06:22:43 Stskeeps, btw. anyone posted bugreport about f*cking fsck bug? Feb 05 06:27:20 slonopotamus: i think itd Feb 05 06:27:34 s fixed in later kernels Feb 05 06:30:49 Stskeeps, heard about any plans to update diablo kernel? :) Feb 05 06:34:32 people are welcome to work on it Feb 05 06:38:07 porting is such a huge hassle Feb 05 06:39:13 is there a way to have a development environment on my n800 itself? Feb 05 06:39:19 yes Feb 05 06:39:20 so i can just compile in place Feb 05 06:39:47 hehe Feb 05 06:39:47 not maemo Feb 05 06:40:19 i just want to port stuff, but scratchbox has a bunch of issues that are driving me nuts Feb 05 06:40:37 it reminds me of trying to get stuff to work on redhat back in 1998 Feb 05 06:40:37 well, not maemo oficially :) Feb 05 06:40:48 where to compile one program, i had to get the source for 14 other things first Feb 05 06:42:37 like for instance, dpkg-buildpackage cries about missing roughly 10 libraries that aren't ported yet Feb 05 06:43:03 so i started with debhelper, since 5 had been ported, i wanted to port 6 or 7 Feb 05 06:43:29 well that needs po4a Feb 05 06:43:37 so i go pull down that source Feb 05 06:44:03 and that mysteriously fails compilation with no discernible error Feb 05 06:44:19 genewitch, you can install build-essential from sdk repo to device and compile core utils (that are replaced with busybox) manually to /usr/local. but i give you no warranty if you break something :) Feb 05 06:45:11 what's busybox Feb 05 06:45:41 i figure if i can get GCC fully functional (including linker) on the device Feb 05 06:45:45 collectoin of some basic tools Feb 05 06:45:49 i can do everything else like gnetoo Feb 05 06:45:52 gentoo Feb 05 06:45:54 you can Feb 05 06:46:00 hehe Feb 05 06:46:03 busybox is the GUI/xwindow? Feb 05 06:46:47 slonopotamus: well the 5 packages i've tried porting from straight source aren't working. the one i tried pulling down from osso source failed because of missing libraries Feb 05 06:46:55 busybox is a small thing for embedded devices that provides sh, grep, find, and tons of other system utils Feb 05 06:47:13 slonopotamus: actually, prior statement isn't true, i got kismet to compile and transfer to the device Feb 05 06:47:43 but libpcap isn't there (even though it's in the scratchbox/sdk repository) Feb 05 06:48:07 genewitch, again a reason mer is good.. want to compile on device? apt-get install build-essential:) Feb 05 06:48:32 StsN800: link to page on how to get mer on device Feb 05 06:50:27 "Maemo 4.1 source repositories" Feb 05 06:50:45 what kernel is mer running on? Feb 05 06:50:48 the same has diablo? Feb 05 06:53:56 Corsac, so far yes Feb 05 06:54:26 genewitch, http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Releases/0.7 Feb 05 06:56:27 heh, status bar overflows Feb 05 06:56:34 didnt know that Feb 05 06:58:27 it would be nice to have a display program that shows/hyperlinks, or allows you to toggle on/off the body of the law in the original and new meaning - for all these laws that are mostly wording substitutes in older laws Feb 05 07:01:01 do i want mer1 or mer3 Feb 05 07:02:38 http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Releases/0.7#Nokia_N8x0.28W.29_-_installer Feb 05 07:02:42 ho, ubuntu jaunty Feb 05 07:02:44 mpf Feb 05 07:04:46 thanks StsN800 Feb 05 07:04:52 its a world more sane than maemo. and dont get out the OE or Gentoo argument Feb 05 07:04:52 i'm gunna give it a shot Feb 05 07:07:21 it's doing it's build thing Feb 05 07:07:29 or downloading* Feb 05 07:07:30 thing Feb 05 07:08:57 StsN800: I'm a debian guy :) Feb 05 07:14:25 x-fade: ping Feb 05 07:15:54 StsN800: if i install mer to my external 8gb card, will i have that much space for developer tools and applications? Feb 05 07:19:34 on my laptop my / partition takes around 7G Feb 05 07:19:59 with a lot of -dev stuff Feb 05 07:20:00 yeah but i'm installing mer on the n800 Feb 05 07:20:41 genewitch, the base Mer install fits comfortably under 512MB on an SD card Feb 05 07:20:47 you'll have space left :) Feb 05 07:21:00 awesome Feb 05 07:21:14 you guys need fast mirrors for any of these files? Feb 05 07:21:15 genewitch: I would assume that a laptop install would take much more room than an install on a tablet :) Feb 05 07:21:23 i notice this stuff is coming from one of sts's servers Feb 05 07:21:47 are the new package (wrt. Ubuntu) available independantly? Feb 05 07:22:07 I mean, should it be possible to install a standard Debian and then install mer on top of that, or would that be too much of a hassle? Feb 05 07:22:40 You might need to do some recompiling ... and quite possibly some repackaging Feb 05 07:23:12 worth trying Feb 05 07:23:22 will wait for my n810 :> Feb 05 07:23:33 so why debian over ubuntu? Feb 05 07:23:35 and a new SD too Feb 05 07:23:45 johnx: because I'm a Debian developer, mostly Feb 05 07:24:13 ah, then Mer will probably make you cry :) Feb 05 07:24:52 morning everybody Feb 05 07:26:14 morning wazd :D Feb 05 07:26:23 johnx: if gcc foo.c -o foo works as intended i shouldn't have a problem developing on the platform Feb 05 07:28:28 genewitch, then you're all set. But if amateur .deb packages scare you, you might be best off not looking too close :) (or cleaning as you see fit would be even better :D) Feb 05 07:29:02 johnx: i actually prefer to build from source wherever possible, even though it takes forever. .deb is a crutch Feb 05 07:29:48 i recently moved to debian (like, last year) from redhat-style Feb 05 07:30:07 fedora didn't support my laptop or PC properly, so ubuntu and gentoo made a convert out of me Feb 05 07:32:27 johnx: is there a repository available for the packages? Feb 05 07:32:48 genewitch, ah, when you said you were a debian developer I assume you meant you were packaging for debian Feb 05 07:32:58 Corsac, of course :) Feb 05 07:32:59 johnx: you should have late night or something :) Feb 05 07:33:12 Corsac, http://repository.mer.tspre.org/ Feb 05 07:33:22 johnx: thanks :) Feb 05 07:33:51 on average maemo-nokia gcc's are buggy :) Feb 05 07:34:04 So you're probably asking for too much :) Feb 05 07:35:02 Wazd: gan wants me to have a 26x icon for my en-US translation Feb 05 07:35:09 timelE61i, tried nokia's g++ yet? :) Feb 05 07:35:09 timelE61i, this is on Mer :) Feb 05 07:35:16 He suggested you might be able to make one Feb 05 07:35:51 I made a very bad downsampled us flag Feb 05 07:36:26 timelE61i, I'm waiting for the en_GB version of your locale packages ;) Feb 05 07:36:34 And someone else made a better version Feb 05 07:38:45 mornin' Feb 05 07:38:57 Heya! Feb 05 07:39:05 Stskeeps: I thought you never sleep :) Feb 05 07:39:19 wazd: i was pretty much absent 11pm-7am :P Feb 05 07:39:19 :p Feb 05 07:39:39 Yeah, sleep is for retards and small farm animals. :) Feb 05 07:39:57 A stupid comment like that isn't going to get me banned here will it? *lol* Feb 05 07:40:07 nah Feb 05 07:40:14 No, because it's not personal. Feb 05 07:41:19 * genewitch is a farm animal Feb 05 07:41:20 Addison, you forgot "Sleep is for the weak." and "You can sleep when you're dead." Feb 05 07:41:22 * genewitch baaaaas Feb 05 07:41:36 hey cool, mer just booted Feb 05 07:41:43 on n8x0? neat Feb 05 07:41:50 we didn't know it could do that, sorry about that :> Feb 05 07:41:51 yup Feb 05 07:42:15 oh sarcasm Feb 05 07:42:24 drippin' sarcasm Feb 05 07:42:24 :P Feb 05 07:42:45 well you could have saved me two days of tears :-) Feb 05 07:43:16 be aware that Mer is a work in progress, but i hope you may like the approach to a mobile OS we're doing :P Feb 05 07:43:37 i hear it has a compiler Feb 05 07:43:39 +1 Feb 05 07:45:55 well, setting the rotation just broke it Feb 05 07:46:08 note to self: if it looks too cool to be true, it probably is Feb 05 07:46:17 rotation breaks, yeah Feb 05 07:46:22 should probably add that to known issue Feb 05 07:46:22 s Feb 05 07:46:24 fix? Feb 05 07:46:43 rotation support in X driver or in kernel fb Feb 05 07:46:46 pop battery Feb 05 07:46:47 :P Feb 05 07:47:15 if you have a n810 you might be able to log in through console though Feb 05 07:47:27 oh, it is in known issues ;) Feb 05 07:47:28 "*Rotation in advanced-backlight kills the X server" Feb 05 07:47:53 yeah i read all that Feb 05 07:47:57 i just don't speak english Feb 05 07:48:13 meh, and i'm not a native speaker eithe Feb 05 07:48:13 r Feb 05 07:52:21 * Stskeeps reboots the mer builder machine Feb 05 07:52:45 Morning, all Feb 05 07:52:57 morning jaffa Feb 05 07:53:07 morning Jaffa Feb 05 07:54:36 hola Jaffa Feb 05 07:54:48 * Jaffa is snowed in :-( Feb 05 07:54:55 Got about 200m from home before turning back Feb 05 07:55:09 where at? Feb 05 07:55:15 it's supposed to snow here this weekend Feb 05 07:55:20 for 3 whole days! Feb 05 07:55:32 You haven't seen what we've been getting in London :P Feb 05 07:55:50 k, I'm done with Ti 85 I think :) Feb 05 07:56:19 qwerty12: I work in London, so travelled in on Monday (when people *living* in London didn't) Feb 05 07:56:27 genewitch: Rugby (West Midlands) Feb 05 07:56:47 * Jaffa could probably get in if he got to the train station. But that's usually a 10 minute drive Feb 05 07:56:59 Jaffa, hah. Guilty as charged :) Feb 05 07:57:01 er... why can't i type a dash Feb 05 07:58:04 do you have to hold fn for a -? Feb 05 07:58:18 what's fn Feb 05 07:58:21 i have an 800 Feb 05 07:58:24 n800 Feb 05 07:58:30 dash should work fine :P Feb 05 07:58:32 normally i push the %$^ meny Feb 05 07:58:35 different layout :) Feb 05 07:58:44 but when i pusht hat it doesn't change the keyboard to the symbols Feb 05 07:58:45 look next to the 0 Feb 05 07:59:17 clever Feb 05 07:59:22 this is my new favorite layout. Feb 05 07:59:24 long story short: Nokia's "input method plugins" are mostly closed source. We're using the "example" plugin Feb 05 07:59:40 i was worried i would have to SSH in Feb 05 07:59:48 yeah...I actually like this layout too :) Feb 05 08:00:14 A one touch caps lock is nice :). May grab the example plugin for Diablo :) Feb 05 08:00:26 Wazd: gan wants me to have a 26x icon for my en-US translation - He suggested you might be able to make one. I made a very bad downsampled us flag - And someone else made a better version Feb 05 08:00:30 haha SSH rocks Feb 05 08:00:30 I suppose someone will step in to say they actually liked the addition of that language change pop-up :) Feb 05 08:00:34 i'll just use that Feb 05 08:01:10 man, this was worth every penny Feb 05 08:01:24 the n800? of course Feb 05 08:01:24 :P Feb 05 08:01:35 just another 2 putty windows on my PC Feb 05 08:01:42 that brings me up to 9 open at all times Feb 05 08:02:56 timelE61i: 26x26? Feb 05 08:03:31 http://i070.radikal.ru/0902/d7/00629d06d7c0.png <- Ti 85 :) Feb 05 08:04:56 on my n810 I have the following repos enabled: 1. repository.maemo.org/extras (free non-free) 2. repository.maemo.org distribution: diablo/tools (free non-free) - are those all ok? am I missing anything? Feb 05 08:05:56 jesus, for it being 520mhz, windows mobile is shit slow on a htc advantage Feb 05 08:05:58 yes Feb 05 08:06:15 ok Feb 05 08:06:17 i think Maemo would fly on this baby. Feb 05 08:06:23 liri, you might want the tableteer repository, but I don't remember what's in it... Feb 05 08:06:43 johnx: can you disable tableteer? Feb 05 08:06:55 timelE61i, I've seen people without it I believe Feb 05 08:07:01 It has rhapsody, skype and a few others Feb 05 08:07:24 It's browsable, i had to browse it to translate those apps Feb 05 08:07:28 Stskeeps, i dunno, my N800 seems a lot faster than my Zaurus...might be more about RAM and faster IO than CPU speed though Feb 05 08:07:32 Oh, it has map updates Feb 05 08:08:45 Hey genewitch! Care to help me problem solve an issue I have using Telnet on the Tablet? Feb 05 08:09:22 Oh, there's the nokia camera Feb 05 08:10:48 it also has media streamer - isn't that dead? :) Feb 05 08:11:14 And video center Feb 05 08:11:58 you can telnet to the camera? Feb 05 08:12:18 Anyone here that understands character encoding using Xterm? *crosses fingers* Feb 05 08:12:27 * timelE61i thinks it's more of a file than a port Feb 05 08:12:47 addison: welcome to hell Feb 05 08:12:48 the only thing i understand about character encoding using the xterm is /usr/share/X11/xgb/symbols/rx-44 Feb 05 08:12:53 or something to that effect Feb 05 08:13:00 the only thing i understand about character encoding using the xterm is /usr/share/X11/xgb/nokia_vdr/symbols/rx-44 Feb 05 08:13:02 Mousey, maybe this camera: http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09%2F01%2F13%2F1757209&from=rss Feb 05 08:13:03 or something to that effect Feb 05 08:13:20 Even though I'm in hell, I try to imagine a life that doesn't resemble it. :) Feb 05 08:13:26 johnx: nice Feb 05 08:14:32 addison: is the remote using utf8? Feb 05 08:14:35 Addison4: i'm using SSH, not telnet, if that matters Feb 05 08:14:35 I'm really hoping to hear from someone in response to this thread... Feb 05 08:14:36 http://internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=26637 Feb 05 08:15:43 Sorry for the post being long winded... I never know how much or how little to say when posting a request. Feb 05 08:17:35 i can't help; sorry :-( Feb 05 08:17:44 Ah nuts! Feb 05 08:19:53 Crap. My internet connection enjoys taking a big, meaty dump on me every 15 minutes. Feb 05 08:20:07 Did anyone post a response while I was disconnected? Feb 05 08:20:16 nope Feb 05 08:21:10 Then depression sets in..... :) Feb 05 08:22:12 Well, I need to find myself someone who knows whatever the hell I'm talking about. Any suggestions for a person that I can abuse on this? Feb 05 08:23:01 * Stskeeps watches his buildbox move to a new partition Feb 05 08:24:42 Okay, pop quiz. Who here can compile? Feb 05 08:25:23 compile? what's that? Feb 05 08:25:24 :P Feb 05 08:25:40 Ah, the dim flicker of recognition because they all know what's going to be the next question. :) Feb 05 08:25:43 compile. that's what i tell my boss i am doing when i play WOW at work Feb 05 08:27:20 Stskeeps: all the stuff i wanted to port already has been ported to armel Feb 05 08:27:23 :-) Feb 05 08:27:24 I wish I had a job where a computer did all the work and I got all the credit for it while playing Wow. Feb 05 08:27:29 genewitch: yes, it's wonderful isn't it? Feb 05 08:27:43 Stskeeps: so are you guys trying to port to diablo from mer or what? Feb 05 08:28:01 Or rather, why can't i install these files on maemo? Feb 05 08:28:24 genewitch: it's more complicated than that.. mer stems from some thoughts on reconstructing maemo to bring it more in alignment with mainstream linux Feb 05 08:28:49 and the fact developers are spending more time compiling various libraries and dealing with scratchbox oddities, than actually hildonizing apps Feb 05 08:29:24 and the fact it is not trivial to take maemo platform and use it anywhere else than nokia tablets Feb 05 08:29:25 Stskeeps: i see. so i can take straight src.deb from , and compile it on mer and if it works, just report it somewhere? Feb 05 08:29:46 genewitch: or just apt-get install it from Ubuntu ;-) Feb 05 08:30:01 basically, but it's most likely that it is there already. most of ubuntu is ported to armel Feb 05 08:30:03 how much of the ubuntu repository has been ported? Feb 05 08:30:07 son of a... Feb 05 08:30:14 well, good work. Feb 05 08:30:21 thank the ubuntu-arm people Feb 05 08:30:28 we just build on top of their work Feb 05 08:30:32 * Jaffa should find time to look at auto-Hildonising LD_PRELOAD again. I think it's doable, but haven't done a PoC yet Feb 05 08:30:33 the strong arm of ubuntu? Feb 05 08:30:34 long arm? Feb 05 08:30:44 waving arm of ubuntu, maybe.. Feb 05 08:30:44 :P Feb 05 08:30:54 The StrongARM of Ubuntu, would be appropriate Feb 05 08:31:38 If I can't get a gentlemen to help me on this, could someone point me in a direction or two to help me? Feb 05 08:31:38 http://internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=26637 Feb 05 08:32:34 I mean, can I ask someone with linux knowledge or do they actually have to own a Tablet to understand what needs to be done? Feb 05 08:32:41 Addison: i'm honestly not sure what konwert is :P Feb 05 08:32:58 It's just a filter when using Telnet. Feb 05 08:33:00 Addison: indeed, Stskeeps has hit the issue on the head; isn't your best bet to go upstream? Feb 05 08:33:12 It makes everything look like you're using a PC. Feb 05 08:33:13 Addison: you might want to point people to wtf konwert is, or poke them to add a change Feb 05 08:33:35 Addison: you say "just" a filter - but the whole request revolves around modifying konwert, so perhaps explaining that is better? Feb 05 08:34:05 Jaffa: sidenote.. i can now dump all values FTD can grab from BME Feb 05 08:34:18 by communicating with bme directly Feb 05 08:34:23 Jott was kind enough one day to hand it off to me. I really have no idea where it came from or what it really does. Feb 05 08:34:25 i just dont know what they mean :> Feb 05 08:34:36 Stskeeps: shiny - are they directly usable, or are they uncalibrated, semi-meaningless numbers? Feb 05 08:34:48 Jaffa: well, i was able to get 298 Kelvin out of it. Feb 05 08:34:48 :P Feb 05 08:35:08 Stskeeps: sounds about right Feb 05 08:35:11 it's "just" a matter of deciphering which value is which in the structure Feb 05 08:35:18 Ah, "just" Feb 05 08:35:31 yeah, well, when you have ftd as reference, it's easier Feb 05 08:35:55 Konwert takes UTF-8 and allows you to change it to another coding such as cp437, which is another way of saying IBM extended graphics. Feb 05 08:36:45 Jaffa: but it's mostly about identifying which is 32-bit values and which is 16-bit values Feb 05 08:36:54 Damn I hate being dumb. Any chance someone can sit down and talk to be about being this way? :) Feb 05 08:37:07 No. Feb 05 08:37:18 All I need is free counseling. Feb 05 08:37:22 :) Feb 05 08:37:42 i can do it for ~30 eur an hour Feb 05 08:37:42 :P Feb 05 08:37:56 Is that a negative sign? Feb 05 08:38:02 approx Feb 05 08:38:21 I was hoping it was a negative sign. Feb 05 08:38:27 *lol* Feb 05 08:38:41 OK, addison: does /usr/share/konwert/filters/cp737-UTF8 Feb 05 08:38:45 exist on your tablet? Feb 05 08:39:56 I'm having problems with special charatcters on scratchbox/xephyr with a Qt application I wrote... Feb 05 08:40:38 I tried setting LC_ALL from C to en_US.UTF-8, but it didn't help Feb 05 08:40:45 Addison: or is there any files in /usr/share/konwert/filters/ Feb 05 08:41:59 hummm... never mind, I'm having the same problem running the application on my regular desktop also... Feb 05 08:43:21 on mer, what repository do i add to the application manager to get full list of applications? Feb 05 08:43:35 genewitch: you have to enable red pill.. se Feb 05 08:43:35 c Feb 05 08:43:56 ~redpill Feb 05 08:43:59 ~red-pill Feb 05 08:44:00 red-pill is probably https://wiki.maemo.org/Red_Pill_mode Feb 05 08:44:30 ~burn himself Feb 05 08:44:31 * infobot pours gasoline all over himself, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze Feb 05 08:44:34 hahaha) Feb 05 08:44:37 >:D Feb 05 08:44:51 and then tools->settings show all packages Feb 05 08:46:20 Sorry, I just stepped out for a moment. Here's my original post. Feb 05 08:46:21 http://internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25909 Feb 05 08:46:38 Addison: do what i said above :P Feb 05 08:46:47 it seems pretty simple to correct the filter yourself Feb 05 08:47:18 Okay. Let me go grab my Tab and see. Feb 05 08:49:30 moo wazd, thanks for the image Feb 05 08:49:44 Morning Feb 05 08:50:18 Say again what you need me to do, Stskeeps. Feb 05 08:50:29 Addison: does /usr/share/konwert/filters/cp737-UTF8 Feb 05 08:50:32 exist on your tablet? Feb 05 08:50:50 Okay, looking right now... Feb 05 08:52:18 Yes! Feb 05 08:52:39 good, go edit the file matching your filter in /usr/share/konwert/filters/ then :P Feb 05 08:53:02 X-Fade, morning Feb 05 08:53:07 RST38h: hey, I've sent you minor update) Feb 05 08:53:20 andre__: Situation over now? Feb 05 08:54:01 not yet here. does it work for you to access any bug report? Feb 05 08:54:05 like https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4060 ? Feb 05 08:54:18 andre__: Hmm weird.. Feb 05 08:54:28 andre__: Plenty of space on the device now. Feb 05 08:54:39 andre__: Maybe some cache got corrupted? Feb 05 08:55:08 might be... but still i don't have access to that machine :-/ Feb 05 08:55:29 andre__: 0 -rw-rw---- 1 www-data www-data 0 Feb 5 01:15 versioncache Feb 05 08:55:41 RST38h: can't wait to see it working :) Feb 05 08:55:43 hhmm Feb 05 08:55:56 same for mail and nomail Feb 05 08:56:07 Sorry, my internet squibbed on me again. Feb 05 08:56:23 Looking at that file... This is what I'm seeing. Feb 05 08:56:32 X-Fade, /usr/share/bugzilla/globals.pl:316 would be interersting too Feb 05 08:56:34 #!/bin/bash - Feb 05 08:56:45 F=${0##*/} Feb 05 08:56:52 trs -f "${0%/*}/../aux/charsets/${F%-*}" -e '\200\-\377 ďż0153' Feb 05 08:56:59 andre__: No, it tries to read a 0 bytes database? Feb 05 08:57:01 And that's it. Feb 05 08:57:26 andre__: require "$datadir/versioncache"; Feb 05 08:57:32 ok, got it' Feb 05 08:57:35 Addison: well then, - just edit the filter to match your needs :P Feb 05 08:58:16 X-Fade, ah. works now. for you too? Feb 05 08:58:18 andre__: I moved it away and things start working again. Feb 05 08:58:32 yeah, expected something like that :-D Feb 05 08:58:44 andre__: 96 -rw-rw---- 1 www-data www-data 91725 Feb 5 10:58 versioncache Feb 05 08:58:51 ah. lovely. now let's see when this happens again :-P Feb 05 08:58:55 hehe red pill Feb 05 08:58:57 that's cool Feb 05 08:59:15 genewitch: did your tablet HAM explode? i would if i had to show all packages :P Feb 05 08:59:21 (it will lock up for a fair bit while it loads) Feb 05 08:59:26 I wanted cp437 Stskeeps, why did you have me look at cp737? Feb 05 08:59:28 X-Fade, thanks. and enjoy skiing (iirc) Feb 05 08:59:42 HAM? Feb 05 08:59:46 yeah it's dragging ass Feb 05 08:59:57 There were only like 9 applications in my manager, though Feb 05 08:59:59 andre__: Not yet. This weekend. Feb 05 09:00:06 i figured "firefox" or somethign would have been one of them Feb 05 09:00:12 Addison: needed to check it existed Feb 05 09:00:19 Addison: your cp437 filter will be there too Feb 05 09:00:27 genewitch: yeah, not so many apps just yet Feb 05 09:00:53 Stskeeps: but if i apt-get install firefox (for instance) i can still use it, but it's just not in the package manager? Feb 05 09:01:18 genewitch: correct, but it may not appear right away in the menu, i think.. may need to update-catalogue or something Feb 05 09:17:06 x-fade? Feb 05 09:17:27 Can you kill some files in extras-devel? Feb 05 09:17:44 timelE61i: Yeah, I responded to you PM ;) Feb 05 09:17:49 *your Feb 05 09:18:12 What files do you need killed? Feb 05 09:18:32 um, that part i'm not sure of :( Feb 05 09:18:51 Well then the answer is simple.. Feb 05 09:18:54 Any sources where the .po file contains "#" :? Feb 05 09:18:54 Yes, I can. Feb 05 09:19:22 It should be only the first couple of things i pushed Feb 05 09:21:09 timelE61i: One other thing, please don't upload files as root.. Feb 05 09:21:19 It would be nice to see who uploaded what ;) Feb 05 09:22:27 root? Feb 05 09:22:47 I used the stupid web tool Feb 05 09:23:04 I couldn't get dput / scp / ssh to work Feb 05 09:23:29 Hmm weird, it should have changed the owner of the files.. Feb 05 09:24:36 can you grab the sources and figure out which have bd pos and kill them? Feb 05 09:24:45 I don't have anything here Feb 05 09:25:22 Heck, my mac seems to have a different server for r.m.o so i can't even browse Feb 05 09:25:43 timelE61i: Use stage? Feb 05 09:26:25 http://stage.maemo.org/extras-devel/ Feb 05 09:26:59 * timelE61i fixed /etc/hosts Feb 05 09:29:06 is there any fast way to do this? Feb 05 09:29:41 Hmm I'm thinking of how to do that fast :) Feb 05 09:32:19 Where's that mail archive? Feb 05 09:32:22 timelE61i: msgstr "Installing PKCS#12 certificate may take several minutes" Feb 05 09:32:41 Is that # bad? Feb 05 09:32:52 no, regexp '^#' Feb 05 09:33:01 That # is ok Feb 05 09:33:14 It's only lines that start w/ # that are bad Feb 05 09:33:24 timelE61i: why would you want to remove the headers from the pos? Feb 05 09:33:31 Don't ask Feb 05 09:34:52 yeah, where's that mail list? Feb 05 09:34:59 The last step has a link Feb 05 09:35:07 timelE61i: https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/extras-cauldron-builds/2009-February/thread.html ? Feb 05 09:35:11 But it should be reachable from step 0 Feb 05 09:35:12 Yeah Feb 05 09:37:02 x-fade: work in order based on cauldron Feb 05 09:37:09 E.g. Gtk20 has #s Feb 05 09:38:30 Yeah, in order works Feb 05 09:38:47 Things in that list will all be bad until they stop Feb 05 09:40:59 aNyway thanks for killings Feb 05 09:41:05 Sorry :( Feb 05 09:41:25 * timelE61i wonders if bugs is working Feb 05 09:42:09 timelE61i: I've found some nice round flag icons Feb 05 09:42:16 http://trendsmania.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/flags32.png Feb 05 09:46:02 you think it'd be ok in 26x? Feb 05 09:51:28 timelE61i: gtk20-l10n-enus1 hildon-application-manager-l10n-enus1-0.1 hildon-common-strings-l10n-enus1-0.1 hildon-fm-l10n-enus1-0.1 hildon-status-bar-usb-l10n-enus1-0.1 Feb 05 09:52:57 timelE61i: Do you want me to wipe those? Feb 05 09:56:33 timelE61i: it's 1px larger :) Feb 05 10:15:22 johnx: ping Feb 05 10:16:44 sorry Feb 05 10:16:52 portable irc client is broken Feb 05 10:16:54 yeah wipe em Feb 05 10:17:14 i have fixed files on my laptop Feb 05 10:17:23 so once they're dead on whatever, i can repush Feb 05 10:19:31 timelyx: Done. Feb 05 10:37:03 hey guys Feb 05 10:37:58 little question: what exactly is full when apps say "can't bind to /var/tmp/claws-mail-29999: no space left on device" and the rss reader notes that the device storage memory is full Feb 05 10:38:09 df -h says i have 3.3MB free on / Feb 05 10:38:22 so i'm a bit puzzled Feb 05 10:38:37 root is allowed to use a bit more space Feb 05 10:38:39 than normal users Feb 05 10:38:58 ok, so technically / *is* full? Feb 05 10:39:00 for the user, that is Feb 05 10:39:15 sounds about right Feb 05 10:39:25 meh Feb 05 10:39:31 now what to delete :) Feb 05 10:39:33 >I would suggest a face-to-face meeting in Ruoholahti on Monday Feb 05 10:39:33 >9.2 at 14:00 to discuss these issues, the whole project team Feb 05 10:39:33 >should probably be present. Let's confirm this tomorrow when Feb 05 10:39:37 syslog :) Feb 05 10:39:42 mine averages 50mb Feb 05 10:39:46 ick Feb 05 10:39:51 c Feb 05 10:40:19 timelyx: hm, i only have a small fontconfig.log in /var/log Feb 05 10:40:19 Myrtti: ooh, can i come/ Feb 05 10:40:56 timelyx: nope Feb 05 10:41:47 moving on... Feb 05 10:42:39 seems I'm not going either Feb 05 10:43:22 who was the fellow who was thinking of that knitting program again? Feb 05 10:43:34 rm_you, right? Feb 05 10:43:38 no? Feb 05 10:43:57 \o/ Feb 05 10:44:01 my n810 has arrived Feb 05 10:44:09 Corsac: \o/ Feb 05 10:44:12 right on time :) Feb 05 10:47:49 yep Feb 05 10:47:56 24h to go, really nice Feb 05 10:48:06 ok now it's an uk version, so i have uk maps :) Feb 05 10:48:13 no france, no belgium Feb 05 10:48:13 "n800 should be enough for anyone..." Feb 05 10:48:23 and no net connectivity atm Feb 05 10:48:55 Corsac: i had US maps Feb 05 10:49:05 Corsac: you can change that real easy though Feb 05 10:49:10 over the air downloading++ Feb 05 10:49:11 * Stskeeps tries experimenting with putting mer packages on top of debian-armel. Feb 05 10:50:02 Stskeeps: I've not been following stuff that well, but is it possible already to run Mer in 770? Feb 05 10:50:13 Myrtti: yes, but we're working on WiFi still Feb 05 10:50:20 so no wifi? Feb 05 10:50:20 aquatix: yeah but I don't have over the air connectivity atm Feb 05 10:50:32 hm Feb 05 10:50:36 Myrtti: more like no WPA, but it's work in progress Feb 05 10:50:41 ok. Feb 05 10:50:46 so no Mer for me yet Feb 05 10:50:52 my router/AP does only wpa2 Feb 05 10:50:53 Myrtti: we hope to support 770 just as well as n800 so :P Feb 05 10:51:02 x-fade: any idea why i can't dput? Feb 05 10:51:14 Also, can you improve the wizard? Feb 05 10:51:19 Stskeeps: I just bought a used n800 from a jaikuist :-D Feb 05 10:51:26 Myrtti: hehe :) Feb 05 10:51:29 timelE61i: Probably because your ssh key isn't set correctly? Feb 05 10:51:33 * aquatix downloads skype-3.0.0.93 Feb 05 10:51:42 timelE61i: You were a local user on garage before, so a bit of a special case? Feb 05 10:51:43 though I'm getting it only in March when I'm (hopefully) going to UK again Feb 05 10:51:44 aquatix: updated on tablet? Feb 05 10:51:49 It'd be nice if steps had unique title tags based on which things were entered in ther previous page Feb 05 10:52:04 X-fade: true Feb 05 10:52:07 Stskeeps: http://share.skype.com/sites/garage/2009/01/skype_for_mids_beta.html Feb 05 10:52:10 it's a bz2 Feb 05 10:52:14 ah Feb 05 10:53:07 oh wait Feb 05 10:53:08 duh Feb 05 10:53:18 that's not going to work on my NIT Feb 05 10:53:21 * aquatix needs more coffee Feb 05 10:54:02 timelE61i: You have quite a lot of keys ;) Feb 05 10:54:22 timelE61i: When did you try to dput? So I can check the logs? Feb 05 10:54:35 people always admire them Feb 05 10:55:06 WIn an hour (before) i udrf the web thing Feb 05 10:56:09 sth seems to be utterly wrong today. received lots of internal bugmail i've never triggered. sigh Feb 05 10:56:44 i was just going to say it's monday but it's actually thursday. Feb 05 10:56:45 :P Feb 05 10:56:49 Iirc there's a maint window Feb 05 10:57:23 it starts feeling like a monday :-P Feb 05 10:57:54 timelE61i: Hmm your local account gone from passwd? Feb 05 10:58:38 Dunno :) Feb 05 10:58:58 timelE61i: Great opportunity to test the new invitation/contrib form which Ferenc fixed for you :) Feb 05 11:01:59 hm, the localepurge on http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24564 needs pcregrep and color-ls; the former has a package, but i can't find the latter Feb 05 11:02:48 ah, there's a deb in that thread Feb 05 11:04:03 ... Feb 05 11:07:04 timelE61i: crazy question, what license is the enu stuff? Feb 05 11:07:19 mine? Feb 05 11:07:23 yeah Feb 05 11:07:24 it's supposed to be public domain Feb 05 11:07:27 k Feb 05 11:07:39 if there's a more proper way to make it so, lemme know Feb 05 11:07:56 how do i get to this invitiation thing? Feb 05 11:08:12 it doens't seem reachable from profile/* Feb 05 11:08:26 localepurge: Disk space freed in /usr/share/locale: 41410K \o/ Feb 05 11:08:33 nice win Feb 05 11:08:45 timeless: https://garage.maemo.org/my/contrib.php Feb 05 11:08:49 * aquatix hugs qwerty12 for packaging Feb 05 11:08:51 shame its removed english and american and left him with swahili Feb 05 11:08:54 timeless: indeed is Feb 05 11:08:57 lcuk: ;) Feb 05 11:09:42 these purges are annoying though - i had to type really fast to get round an install that expected docs to exist for a postinst Feb 05 11:10:07 hm Feb 05 11:10:21 generally works fine on my desktop and laptop machines though Feb 05 11:10:27 copy files, run postinst script (it had installed but failed cos of the purge), curse cos they were removed, recopy try again wooot Feb 05 11:10:31 x-fade: why did my comments get stripped from the ssh keys? Feb 05 11:11:16 timeless: I have no idea, I think it is because there is a clean up step. People seem to paste from all kinds of broken editors etc.. Feb 05 11:11:28 the keys in the list seem to match the stuff on swift Feb 05 11:11:29 timeless: Which then caused havoc.. Feb 05 11:11:31 and swift lets me in Feb 05 11:11:34 heh Feb 05 11:11:45 ok, so do you want me to 'submit'? Feb 05 11:12:21 Yeah, try if it works now ;) Feb 05 11:13:03 i should be able to ssh garage.maemo.org ? Feb 05 11:13:10 (at least to get a different error) Feb 05 11:13:33 timeless: No, the account is unpriviledged now :) Feb 05 11:13:59 andre__: for kicks, check to see who asked for the es-MX thing Feb 05 11:14:04 it might actually have been me :) Feb 05 11:14:12 (although i certainly didn't ask them to fix the *wrong* string) Feb 05 11:15:05 ok, it didn't seem to give me an error Feb 05 11:15:13 so does that mean it worked? Feb 05 11:18:27 ok, dput died Feb 05 11:23:29 um Feb 05 11:23:36 Dear timeless, Feb 05 11:23:37 You have been selected to become a maintainer of the maemo extras repository. Please check your invitation at this page: https://garage.maemo.org/my Feb 05 11:23:57 could someone please explain what that means? Feb 05 11:24:04 and where's this invitation? Feb 05 11:24:34 could someone also explain: Feb 05 11:24:36 Priority Colors: Feb 05 11:24:36 12345 Feb 05 11:24:41 -- in solid black Feb 05 11:24:53 -- on white background Feb 05 11:25:45 oh, that was the invite Feb 05 11:25:55 Dear timeless, Feb 05 11:25:55 You are now entitled to upload packages to maemo.org Extras repository. Feb 05 11:25:55 See the Wiki page at http://wiki.maemo.org/Uploading_to_Extras Feb 05 11:25:55 for detailed instructions. Feb 05 11:25:55 Hope you will enjoy contributing to Maemo! Feb 05 11:25:56 -- Feb 05 11:26:06 'Hope...' where's the subject? Feb 05 11:26:14 [We] missing Feb 05 11:27:14 oh right Feb 05 11:27:16 where's the stupid queue? Feb 05 11:27:45 so, https://garage.maemo.org/extras-assistant/ claims the queue is empty Feb 05 11:29:12 aww, i missed bug 100,000 Feb 05 11:37:51 :( Feb 05 11:49:18 mpf, not having wifi connection sucks :) Feb 05 11:50:23 Corsac: no wifi AP available? Feb 05 11:50:32 I'm at work Feb 05 11:50:37 restricted area, stuff like that :) Feb 05 11:51:38 meh :( Feb 05 11:56:55 hola Feb 05 11:57:24 wello Feb 05 12:00:19 i dont have a maemo device :( Feb 05 12:00:28 buy one?? Feb 05 12:00:31 -? Feb 05 12:00:48 terbo: grab a Mer VMDK and try it on x86 ;) Feb 05 12:03:41 anyone knows where mplayers hardware key mappings are? Feb 05 12:06:21 no I'm still just crying about the fact. Feb 05 12:06:45 terbo: n810s are dead cheap these days though Feb 05 12:08:14 found it .. input/input.c ;) Feb 05 12:11:21 * lcuk wishes there were more hours in the day Feb 05 12:11:52 hmmm cloning may be a viable alternative Feb 05 12:13:52 until you find your clone in bed with your girlfriend Feb 05 12:14:02 lcuk: I tried forking... but it takes quite some time. :-} Feb 05 12:14:08 florian: :) Feb 05 12:14:13 and exec() is just painful Feb 05 12:14:13 :P Feb 05 12:14:19 ghehe Feb 05 12:15:00 florian, forking yourself must take a very flexible spine. Feb 05 12:15:17 lcuk: I had some help ;) Feb 05 12:16:58 florian, if you were cloned, would your double have a goatee? in films its normally the evil one that has one, but in your case i think the universe would implode Feb 05 12:17:19 hm Feb 05 12:17:26 my evil one wouldn't have one then Feb 05 12:18:03 or there would happen something similar to the universe as with florian ;) Feb 05 12:18:52 :-) Feb 05 12:20:12 i still need to work out how i can do everything i need to do0 in a reasonable timeframe Feb 05 12:21:12 lcuk: skip sleep for some weeks? Feb 05 12:21:27 * aquatix has not-enough-time issues too Feb 05 12:21:42 i'll start with closing this irc window Feb 05 12:21:49 cheers all and hf Feb 05 12:21:58 tried that aquatix, it is made worse by not having weekends Feb 05 12:22:01 lol cya later Feb 05 12:22:07 heh, true Feb 05 12:22:12 cya Feb 05 12:29:12 * lcuk has a depressing afternoon Feb 05 12:29:17 back later Feb 05 12:31:13 cya dude Feb 05 12:31:17 cya Feb 05 12:35:37 x-fade: ping Feb 05 12:35:41 dput almost worked Feb 05 12:35:44 except it failed Feb 05 12:36:17 scp: /var/www/extras-devel/incoming-builder/diablo/hildon-application-manager-l10n-enus1_0.1_source.changes: Permission denied Feb 05 12:36:29 (the same error for all of my packages) Feb 05 12:36:36 timeless: Let me clean up those files. Feb 05 12:36:39 thanks :) Feb 05 12:36:53 they are left over from when your account was gone ;) Feb 05 12:37:29 btw, the extras dput thing should really suggest [DEFAULT]\ndefault_host_main = diablo-extras-devel Feb 05 12:37:41 i spenta lot of time trying to push to ubuntu :( Feb 05 12:38:03 timeless: Happy to review an update wiki.maemo.org/Uploading_to_Extras Feb 05 12:38:16 timeless: It is a wiki ;) Feb 05 12:38:25 timeless: I have removed the .changes files. Feb 05 12:39:07 ok, it seems that things didn't fail this time Feb 05 12:39:51 Yep Feb 05 12:40:05 Lunch! Feb 05 12:40:39 hmhm, on os2008 is there a way to have more detailed battery info? Feb 05 12:40:44 lshal? :P Feb 05 12:40:55 corsac: there's an alternative battery meter Feb 05 12:40:58 the tray icon only says the estimated time remaining Feb 05 12:41:12 * timeless frowns Feb 05 12:41:36 timeless: hmh ok Feb 05 12:41:44 will check that when I have connectivity Feb 05 12:43:51 x-fade: ok, poked a chagne Feb 05 12:43:56 no clueif it actually works Feb 05 12:44:02 but it seems a lot saner than what you had Feb 05 12:44:13 i'll be back in an hour or two Feb 05 12:44:48 hmhm, another question, is there a way to sync' contacts and calendars, by default? Feb 05 12:45:11 hmhm, will look for a “getting started” page instead of pissing people off with 2 years old questions :) Feb 05 12:48:39 * timelE61i just tried to walk through one of those bars that blocks car entry/egress to/from parking garages Feb 05 12:48:56 isn't that a terrible idea? Feb 05 12:49:15 nm Feb 05 12:49:20 Yha Feb 05 12:51:00 * RST38h moos evilly Feb 05 12:51:54 moo Feb 05 12:52:36 bää Feb 05 12:53:21 * Stskeeps wonders of what funny things you can do with an armv4t mer (debian armel based though) Feb 05 12:53:42 install it on a openmoko =) Feb 05 12:53:54 * timelE61i meeps twice Feb 05 12:54:02 suihkulokki: for example, yes Feb 05 12:54:05 maemphone Feb 05 12:54:08 +o Feb 05 12:55:10 going to see how much of it builds on top of debian-armel without issue Feb 05 13:08:03 lol had xchat minimized and didn't know couldn't figure out why it said I was already logged in Feb 05 13:08:36 hehe Feb 05 13:10:21 I can't beleave I got banned from an Online game today Feb 05 13:12:46 AndrewFBlack: btw, you have a cat or a kid? Feb 05 13:13:22 yeah a cat was she on here again last night? Feb 05 13:13:36 think so Feb 05 13:14:25 I thought I turned my computer off last night I know she was one there yesterday Feb 05 13:15:12 how's mer treating you btw? Feb 05 13:16:00 its going good althought since yesterday I've only been running Lxde on it Feb 05 13:17:00 *nod* Feb 05 13:17:36 hey someone go http://www.google.com/latitude/intro.html and see if that first photo has a town called Cowarts and Webb on it Feb 05 13:17:59 I want to see if they are just showing am image custom for every user or if that is really my little town on there lol Feb 05 13:18:13 AndrewFBlack: No they are showing my town. Feb 05 13:18:31 X-Fade, lol I was like WTF no way Feb 05 13:18:52 AndrewFBlack: Although the people on the page seem to be fake. Feb 05 13:19:03 yeah.. one is out in the water, obviously drowned Feb 05 13:19:08 Well, ish. Their geolocation by IP is putting me in Leeds, which is about 100 miles away :) Feb 05 13:19:34 Yeahm just GeoIP probably.. Feb 05 13:19:53 Stskeeps, I am still using alot of Mer stuff with Lxde ony problem i have to over come to make lxde run real well is fix something up for numbers Feb 05 13:20:04 X-Fade, What you don't know fred? Feb 05 13:20:17 Andrew: I see some list of m@#$f#$kers Feb 05 13:20:33 Andrew: Which one of them is which? Feb 05 13:20:55 Andrew: Maps show NYC and Menlo Park Feb 05 13:21:02 AndrewFBlack, yea i see my city Feb 05 13:22:01 tank-man, yeah they are just drawning a map of out city what messed me up is this map is really about 25 Miles east of me but I then rememered that is where my Cable companyis based out of so that might be way Feb 05 13:22:03 why Feb 05 13:22:45 i just thought they were reading the rfid chip in my neck :) Feb 05 13:22:51 all IPs should be geolocatable, that'd put a stop to trolling on the internet ;) Feb 05 13:23:10 down to the coordinate of the keyboard Feb 05 13:23:11 :P Feb 05 13:24:33 You guys think we will ever see things like Coming to Nokia Internet Tablet Soon, I'm tired of just seeing Coming to Iphone soon Feb 05 13:26:18 Andrew: We will not. Feb 05 13:26:38 maybe 'coming to Maemo' :P Feb 05 13:26:40 Half the US geek population is masturbating at iPhone Feb 05 13:27:32 AndrewFBlack: "Coming to [iP]hone soon"? Feb 05 13:27:33 When was the last time you have seen anyone doing this at any of the Nokia products? (outside of topical forums of course) Feb 05 13:27:37 Are these adverts or something? Feb 05 13:28:19 I almost gave in and got one last week but since I already have a Att account they told me I could not get the Discount Price in fast I have to wait til December to even get the $500 price, so I told them where to put it lol Feb 05 13:28:21 Sts: Not only should they be geolocatable, but ICANN should get its own stash of ballistic missiles. Feb 05 13:28:57 Andrew: it's shiny! Feb 05 13:29:53 I've been looking over the SVN for the Doom theme I just took over when Seba left the community and can you beleave that he had the entire theme for OS2007 done he just never released it Feb 05 13:38:11 hey if you try and install something and it fails and trys again everytime you install something else how do you clear that? Feb 05 13:38:59 dpkg --remove probably Feb 05 13:42:33 cumming to iphone Feb 05 13:42:47 wazd, lol Feb 05 13:42:47 * Myrtti needs brainsoap Feb 05 13:44:10 I wonder why there's still no word, excel and pp processor on aifone since many companies were raging to do it for long time Feb 05 13:44:29 let me get my magic 8 ball Feb 05 13:45:16 wazd: there was a magic forum thread somewhere saying that the success of a smartphone device is correlated with the possibility of viewing porn on it.. Feb 05 13:46:02 if someone did, let's say, myMegaPorn (like myTube) for tablet.. Feb 05 13:46:04 Stskeeps: ah, that's why they had to add flash on it :) Feb 05 13:46:13 bam, success Feb 05 13:46:13 :P Feb 05 13:47:13 wazd, your ti-8x layout is very impressive :) Feb 05 13:47:30 lcuk: thx :) Feb 05 13:47:46 Sts: tactile feedback hardware will do wonders for iPhone sales then Feb 05 13:47:49 could you make me a layout which disguises the fact im not actually in work? Feb 05 13:48:04 Stskeeps, i was talking about AO stuff the other day Feb 05 13:49:33 lcuk: a layout for what?) Feb 05 13:50:32 RST38h: yes, it would Feb 05 13:50:33 Pitty I can't add slight glare to the Ti85 screen cause it will look shitty, thanks to n800/810 low color depth screen :( Feb 05 13:51:02 Pity* Feb 05 13:51:57 wazd: besides, screen contents will be overwritten anyway =) Feb 05 13:51:58 Multitouch and porn. Feb 05 13:52:17 wazd: But you can write "Almost" at the right-top bezel corner Feb 05 13:52:23 RST38h: yep, tahts the positive moment) Feb 05 13:52:25 using same font as Ti85 :) Feb 05 13:52:56 Besides, there is additional itrony in running TI hardware emulation on TI hardware =) Feb 05 13:54:30 RST38h: :) Feb 05 13:56:49 wazd, i need you to make a clone of me Feb 05 13:57:00 roope BAD TOUCH! BAD TOUCH! Feb 05 13:57:52 * timelE61i wonders if the builder worked Feb 05 14:03:47 lcuk: ah, that's easy :) Feb 05 14:06:41 RST38h: http://s42.radikal.ru/i098/0902/9a/a6ac98e7a375.png Feb 05 14:07:28 wazd: I would move Almost to the left corner Feb 05 14:07:55 RST38h: ah Feb 05 14:07:59 ti <85 Feb 05 14:08:24 I remember that calculator, it served very nicely. Feb 05 14:08:32 * RST38h just had to write an image rotation routine for this thing Feb 05 14:08:37 I even played this two-player game with the network cable. Feb 05 14:09:31 I had that as well. Feb 05 14:10:10 well if I get some free time tonight you will have it again... in a sense. Feb 05 14:10:16 roope, does nokia have a cloning facility - i need more fingers so they can catch up with my brain Feb 05 14:10:44 lcuk: genetic modification and stem cells for extra fingers, maybe Feb 05 14:11:56 might work, but every time i get into cloning i end up with Kelly LeBrock and have to start all over again Feb 05 14:12:44 * RST38h googled and found it nsfw Feb 05 14:13:02 really? Feb 05 14:13:23 well, at least judging by the google results Feb 05 14:14:09 RST38h: http://s50.radikal.ru/i129/0902/60/449755001138.png Feb 05 14:14:22 swimsuits are fine at my work. its almost compulsory uniform Feb 05 14:15:54 i best get back to tax calculations anyway Feb 05 14:16:12 SEGA releasing a digital TV Feb 05 14:16:14 Hm Feb 05 14:16:44 wazd: "Almost" is sufficient =) Feb 05 14:17:09 But it is probably worth taking a vote on that Feb 05 14:17:35 So, "Almost Real TI85" or "Almost TI85"? Anybody? Feb 05 14:19:14 RST38h: well, Almost real mimics two words n "texas instruments" :) Feb 05 14:23:52 wazd: Ah Feb 05 14:24:00 Makes sense Feb 05 14:29:30 x-fade: sorry, one more that needs to be whacked Feb 05 14:29:39 osso-applet-accounts-l10n-enus1 Feb 05 14:31:14 today I found out ubuntu jaunty. is cool.. lol Feb 05 14:32:15 dexterk: running it or running mer? Feb 05 14:32:33 I installed mer yesterday Feb 05 14:32:41 k Feb 05 14:33:08 but mer has few software Feb 05 14:33:13 Bill Gates Unleashes Swarm of Mosquitoes! Feb 05 14:33:27 (like Windows CE has not been enough!) Feb 05 14:33:39 and I dont know what source. can be added, I need libx11-dev, but there isnt Feb 05 14:34:11 dexterk: It's got Ubuntu Jaunty underneath, so it should just be an apt-get away (Stskeeps: or does the default sources.list only include the mer repo?) Feb 05 14:34:55 you mean I can use jaunty source under Mer? Feb 05 14:34:56 Jaffa: no, it's just the impression people get when they see HAM Feb 05 14:34:58 need to do red pill mode and select view all packages Feb 05 14:35:12 I know red pill Feb 05 14:35:13 dexterk: we "intentionally" only show Mer packages, but entire ubuntu is underlaying Feb 05 14:35:25 see.. Feb 05 14:35:33 I use apt-cache search libx11-dev Feb 05 14:35:39 not from app-manager Feb 05 14:35:47 I'm having more fun running lxde on top of Mer then I think I've had on my tablet in a while Feb 05 14:35:49 yeah, and it should be there Feb 05 14:36:21 now I am apt-get update ing Feb 05 14:36:33 I hope i can see the libx11-dev after updating.. Feb 05 14:36:35 lol Feb 05 14:38:49 AndrewFBlack: yeah,I also want to run lxde under Mer, but I am a newbie to Mer.. Feb 05 14:41:01 dexterk I'm working on a tutorial becuase when you first load lxde on Mer your going to have to use the terminal a little since you wont have a Package Manager yet and if you have a n800 you wont have a onscreen keyboard yet either Feb 05 14:42:36 AndrewFBlack: create a small package for the Mer repo for people to install lxde with? Feb 05 14:43:36 well lxde is already there but if your using n800 I'm got to do something to install onBoard and set it to open auto also have to edit a file so they can use it at login as well Feb 05 14:43:49 ah Feb 05 14:43:50 So an installer package is appropriate. Feb 05 14:44:01 AndrewFBlack: you can possibly use the gdm-autologin thing from deblet Feb 05 14:44:05 lemme just add that to TODO Feb 05 14:44:29 Jaffa, I guess I don't need a package to install this stuff and go ahead and install lxde for you Feb 05 14:44:35 en,right Feb 05 14:44:56 I don''t know how to make the package but I'm working on how to do all the changes and maybe someone can help me package it up Feb 05 14:45:23 AndrewFBlack: it sounds like running lxde on mer is something a few people will want to do; there's no point them installing a package using apt-get then faffing with the command line when a small stub package with some Depends: and a postinst script could sort it all out :-) Feb 05 14:45:31 And have a funky icon in the App Manager Feb 05 14:45:33 working on some .desktop files for things like nm-applet right now so I can stop using run commands lol Feb 05 14:45:47 there's a LXDe autostart thing Feb 05 14:46:04 AndrewFBlack: if you can detail all the stuff which needs doing, I'll try to find time to help you package it (if not me, someone else will) Feb 05 14:46:17 cool Feb 05 14:47:01 right now i'm trying to figure out why my onBoard .dekstop file isn't showing up in menu but its showing up when i'm using lxlauncher Feb 05 14:49:34 timeless: Ok, I'll kill that one too. Feb 05 14:51:15 hmm I can't find wget in maemo extra whereas gronmayer.com says it should be there, any ideA? Feb 05 14:51:35 guerby: looking with App Mgr or apt-cache? Feb 05 14:51:36 guerby: apt-get install wget Feb 05 14:51:44 App Mgr Feb 05 14:51:54 timeless: Package is not in the repo. Feb 05 14:52:04 guerby: it's in the "Tools" repo. Feb 05 14:52:20 Jaffa diablo/tools right ? Feb 05 14:52:42 X-Fade: is the "tools" repo on the list of things to slap maintainers about and get stuff in extras? There's no reason why less, wget etc. shouldn't be in extras (though they shouldn't be in user/ (probably)) Feb 05 14:52:45 guerby: yup Feb 05 14:52:57 timeless: https://garage.maemo.org/builder/diablo/osso-applet-accounts-l10n-enus1_0.1/i386.build.log.FAILED.txt Feb 05 14:53:40 Jaffa: Yes, I feel that those should be in Extras. The tools repo serves no purpose there.. Feb 05 14:54:52 Jaffa: As for the slapping, you're most welcome to do that as a council thing ;) Feb 05 14:57:06 thanks Feb 05 14:57:25 X-Fade: I'll try and remember later. Can't I just empower you (although you have more power than me, so osmosis might benefit me more)? ;-) Feb 05 14:58:12 Jaffa: I have already more work than I can handle atm. Feb 05 14:58:30 Jaffa: So if you want progress on that fast.... Feb 05 14:58:32 X-Fade: indeed, I know the feeling Feb 05 14:58:33 x-fade: you'll kill the request bits so that i don't have to bump the ver, ? Feb 05 14:58:51 timeless: ? Feb 05 14:59:03 Jaffa, X-Fade for some reason even after adding diablo/tools wget doesn't show up in App Mgr, will use apt-get Feb 05 14:59:04 timeless: If a build fails, the package won't end up in the repo. Feb 05 14:59:11 X-Fade: atm, the only thing I want fast is "sleep" - I'm very detached from everything apart from sleep, home & family at the moment :) Feb 05 14:59:15 x-fade: yeah, but it's in the dput area Feb 05 14:59:18 so i can't reput it Feb 05 14:59:19 timeless: So you can upload the same version again without problems. Feb 05 14:59:32 or at least, i'm assuming Feb 05 14:59:32 guerby: no, it wouldn't - it's not listed in "user/" section. Which, in general, is appropriate for CLI tools. Feb 05 14:59:36 timeless: It should be moved away when building. Feb 05 14:59:50 lol,Mer suddenly reboot... Feb 05 14:59:52 Jaffa, thx for the info Feb 05 15:00:01 maybe it is a good reason to install jaunty Feb 05 15:00:02 lol Feb 05 15:00:54 dexterk: b-man's ubuntu port is practically "just" mer without our hildonizing things :P Feb 05 15:00:57 dexterk: Mer /is/ Jaunty Feb 05 15:01:16 ...and Mer's got more effort behind it than any other alternate distro effort for the tablets :) Feb 05 15:01:45 ..... Feb 05 15:01:46 then again, the amount of time slontapamus(sp) invests in gentoo compilation.. Feb 05 15:01:47 :P Feb 05 15:02:59 x-fade: ok, it seemed to push Feb 05 15:03:02 * timeless crosses fingers Feb 05 15:03:25 did someone offer me a nice icon? Feb 05 15:06:15 well once you get into lxde the built in auto login fuction works Feb 05 15:07:03 wonder if there is a way to set that right after we install it? Going to have to look into that Feb 05 15:10:08 what s the url for mer repository? Feb 05 15:13:04 ok, i think everything is happy now Feb 05 15:13:11 * timeless goes to borrow a victim device Feb 05 15:13:30 StOrM_NW: repository.mer.tspre.org, only useful when using mer :P Feb 05 15:13:32 timeless: send me an RX-51 and I'll test it for you ;-) Feb 05 15:14:47 * Stskeeps wonders where the heck to get a lesbie adaptor or whatever the usb host one is called Feb 05 15:14:52 jaffa: this is targetted at rx-34 and rx-44 Feb 05 15:15:03 (and to a lesser extent whatever the number was for wimax) Feb 05 15:15:21 i wanna grab the most recent version of cx3110x, the version contained at repository.mer.tspre.org is the lastest one right? Feb 05 15:15:40 source version i mean Feb 05 15:15:41 StOrM_NW: 770 or n8x0? Feb 05 15:15:43 timeless: -48 I think Feb 05 15:15:46 n8x0 Feb 05 15:16:08 StOrM_NW: http://repository.mer.tspre.org/pool/main/c/cx3110x-module-src/ has some extra patches, yes Feb 05 15:16:29 i m having some issues with Ad-Hoc BSSID partitioning Feb 05 15:16:55 so, how long does it take to move from builder to diablo extras-devel? Feb 05 15:18:48 with the default driver and this one too, so i need to fix this problem .... all the time that i turn on the n8xx and change it to ad-hoc ... it creates another bssid in some minutes ... i think is something related with the synchronization of the cells Feb 05 15:19:02 hi all Feb 05 15:19:40 I am the proud owner of a Nokia N82, since my piece of shit Sony Ericsson W910i went and broke its slider yesterday & fucked my phone Feb 05 15:19:44 X-Fade: BTW, how does the karma for a product get allocated when multiple authors are listed in downloads.m.o? Feb 05 15:20:11 Nothing to do with Maemo, but a nice opportunity to test out all the free software sync goodness that's been happening for the past few years Feb 05 15:20:12 anyone know if prism chipset provides the feature to set the bssid to not change like atheros ... madwifi? Feb 05 15:21:39 btw, did someone explain what happpened to bugsl.maemo.org? Feb 05 15:23:23 Jaffa: It is counted per person.. Feb 05 15:23:42 timeless: Out of diskspace.. Feb 05 15:23:56 bugs.maemo.org or repository.maemo.org? Feb 05 15:23:56 I think I will buy a olpc and put Mer on it lol Feb 05 15:24:04 timeless: bugs. Feb 05 15:24:08 ok Feb 05 15:24:33 AndrewFBlack, you are not a child. you cannot use olpc Feb 05 15:24:47 lcuk, yeah I can I''m a big kid Feb 05 15:25:46 isnt the graphics driver for olpc very very different to normal Feb 05 15:26:44 I don't know but alot of people run ubuntu on it so it should be possible I would think Feb 05 15:28:48 I wonder how many of the OLPC computers on ebay are ones people got for free when they donated and how many are being some from the third world counties they were given to lol Feb 05 15:29:33 simple way to find out, check the seller location :) Feb 05 15:31:21 we transfered a flag over pastebin :) Feb 05 15:34:54 hi all. where can i find the n810 stock kernel .config? Feb 05 15:35:08 Andrew: When you donate, you do not get stuff for free Feb 05 15:35:33 Andrew: You basically pay for this stuff more than it would normally cost Feb 05 15:35:39 i installed the sdk and tried to build a new kernel according to the manual, but the new kernel boots the system and is usable during 5s. after that is crashes and reboots Feb 05 15:35:52 RST38h, thats true Feb 05 15:36:08 should i try make n800_defconfig? Feb 05 15:38:53 ppires: still trying to boot maemo or something else? Feb 05 15:39:28 Stskeeps: i just want to get mobileipv6 built into the kernel. Feb 05 15:40:07 the kernel i recompiled boots the n810 device. the ui is usable for 5s after boot. then it freezes and reboots the device Feb 05 15:41:14 i didn't use the n800_defconfig but the one that's described in the manual. nokia_2420_config Feb 05 15:44:14 mm, wait for qwerty12 when he comes by Feb 05 15:45:57 Stskeeps: ok tjs Feb 05 15:45:59 tks Feb 05 16:01:00 * timeless pokes x-fade Feb 05 16:16:01 timeless: done Feb 05 16:16:20 cd ~ Feb 05 16:16:24 woot Feb 05 16:16:32 X-Fade: You got my mail? Feb 05 16:18:17 thanks Feb 05 16:18:29 ok, so, there will be a 0.1-1 for a number of packages later Feb 05 16:18:31 but... Feb 05 16:20:27 dneary: replied. Feb 05 16:20:29 x-fade: scp failed Feb 05 16:21:13 timeless: try again. Feb 05 16:21:15 /var/www/extras-devel/incoming-builder/diablo/language-support-translations-enus1_0.1_source.changes: Permission denied Feb 05 16:21:27 ok, it worked Feb 05 16:21:29 thanks :) Feb 05 16:21:42 oh right cool bug for modest Feb 05 16:21:46 oh Feb 05 16:22:32 timeless, i may congrat you on upload? Feb 05 16:22:32 timeless, or not yet? Feb 05 16:24:48 it should be there very soon or now, in diablo-extras-devel Feb 05 16:24:53 update and see if you can find it Feb 05 16:34:53 X-Fade: What's the axact shade of the background again? Feb 05 16:35:06 hi Feb 05 16:35:18 who dneary Feb 05 16:35:31 hi papagaj Feb 05 16:35:40 who papagaj Feb 05 16:35:50 Or should I say hu papagaj? Feb 05 16:35:58 :) Feb 05 16:36:29 Do you know how to use Eclipse with Maemo Diablo? Feb 05 16:37:00 I am stuck because I cannot find hildonmm Feb 05 16:37:26 * slonopotamus tries to patch mer logo so it looks more gentoo-style Feb 05 16:40:39 papagaj: Not really, sorry Feb 05 16:40:46 Although I will very soon... Feb 05 16:41:05 well, thanks anyway Feb 05 16:45:48 X-Fade: texinfo_4.11.dfsg.1-4 in extras-devel breaks everything related to tetex Feb 05 16:53:17 qwerty12: ping Feb 05 16:53:26 ppires, pong Feb 05 16:53:51 qwerty12: someone told me you could help me on a kernel recompilation issue for n810 Feb 05 16:54:00 i'm trying to built mobileipv6 support into it Feb 05 16:54:12 make nokia_2420_defconfig Feb 05 16:54:20 edited .config to add some options Feb 05 16:54:20 I can try and help, but I'm certainly not the best :) Feb 05 16:54:33 and ran make bzImage modules Feb 05 16:54:45 the thing is... the kernel boots, i have ui access for something like 5s Feb 05 16:54:51 then it crashes and reboots Feb 05 16:55:39 Odd. What options did you enable? I can try a quick build here Feb 05 16:55:43 qwerty12: do i need to copy modules? Feb 05 16:56:25 Shouldn't have to iirc, unless any of the modules are different or you made new modules Feb 05 16:57:02 cant mobileipv6 be a module? Feb 05 16:57:20 StsN801: yes it can Feb 05 16:57:39 maybe more safer, Feb 05 16:57:40 CONFIG_IPV6_MIP6=y Feb 05 16:57:50 but i need some more options Feb 05 16:58:01 StsN801: but how can i get that module into my n810? Feb 05 16:58:12 usb networking and copying it into /lib/modules/ ? Feb 05 16:58:19 i thought it was write-protected Feb 05 16:58:26 aye, for instance Feb 05 16:58:34 /mnt/initfs/lib/modules is ro but you can remount it rw in diablo Feb 05 16:58:43 evening Feb 05 16:58:44 thats initfs you're thinking of Feb 05 16:58:51 anyway, nokia_2420_defconfig is the default for n810? Feb 05 16:58:53 ahhh Feb 05 16:58:59 hi lardman Feb 05 16:59:09 hey qwerty12 Feb 05 16:59:24 qwerty12: school or tobaganing today? Feb 05 16:59:25 ppires, yes, it's supposed to be (some doubt it :)) but I've never ran into problems using that config Feb 05 16:59:52 lardman, school and then a long walk to plastow & back :) Feb 05 17:00:05 qwerty12: why, no buses? Feb 05 17:00:19 Didn't actually feel like the bus tbh Feb 05 17:00:25 fair enough Feb 05 17:00:32 s/like/like taking/ Feb 05 17:00:32 qwerty12 meant: Didn't actually feel like taking the bus tbh Feb 05 17:00:53 I tried to get Holly's car out and failed, then got mine out and did some handbrake turns and sliding, then worked from home Feb 05 17:01:13 all good :) Feb 05 17:01:26 adult toboganning Feb 05 17:01:28 Hehe :). I kept slipping on my way in the ice :D Feb 05 17:02:01 yeah, far nicer being in the car - I had troubles yesterday walking down the hill to get a train to Northampton, death-slide Feb 05 17:02:32 :( Feb 05 17:02:56 Snow is nice, ice not so much :D Feb 05 17:03:24 The people from Finland, Russia etc are probably thinking meh, pretty much standard :P Feb 05 17:08:31 qwerty12: want me to send you my .config? Feb 05 17:08:36 so you can try? Feb 05 17:08:39 ppires, sure Feb 05 17:08:47 one sec, uploading Feb 05 17:09:09 ppires: what sort of kernel is this, other than for the n810? Feb 05 17:09:28 lardman: u mean, what kind of things am i getting into it? Feb 05 17:09:30 lardman: I could've got to work, if I could've completed the 10 min drive to the train station :-( Feb 05 17:10:44 qwerty12: http://evoluzion.org/mindas/n810_mipv6_config Feb 05 17:11:01 Grabbing, lemme just finish off some screenshots Feb 05 17:11:39 ppires: yep, and what version is it? Feb 05 17:11:56 lardman: i just followed diablo 4.1 instructions Feb 05 17:12:19 diablo-2.6.21 Feb 05 17:12:27 i just want it to have mipv6 Feb 05 17:12:51 anyway guys, i'll be off for 30m, i'll brb Feb 05 17:13:02 if you need to reach me, paulo.pires@vodafone.pt Feb 05 17:13:02 tls Feb 05 17:13:03 tks Feb 05 17:13:05 brb Feb 05 17:36:31 Just got back from circut City I hope they hurry up and make there sales better Feb 05 17:42:46 everything I want is still exspensive Feb 05 17:43:09 and the dollar is worth less every day Feb 05 17:43:30 I'm holding out til go do a 75% of sale Feb 05 17:43:58 there wont be anything good left, it'll all be ipod covers and crappy headphones Feb 05 17:44:37 lol well I hide a few things today Feb 05 18:06:42 hi Feb 05 18:06:42 can anyone explain me how to build xorg-omapfb? Feb 05 18:06:45 i'm checking out from git, running ./autogen.sh && ./configure && make and it dies during compilation Feb 05 18:07:24 grab the dependancies? pastebin the error Feb 05 18:09:47 what i'm doing wrong? Feb 05 18:10:01 no, the error messages :P Feb 05 18:10:41 ~ping Feb 05 18:10:42 ~pong Feb 05 18:19:37 http://rafb.net/p/ZUcUA095.html Feb 05 18:20:10 that their git? Feb 05 18:20:47 hmmm. nope, that's your mer package Feb 05 18:21:03 their git gives same error Feb 05 18:22:05 as i understand, it should include something with those files but it doesn't do it anywhere Feb 05 18:22:32 lol well I pissed off my tablet with that that file i edited now noting will open lol Feb 05 18:23:23 Stskeeps, trying to include nonexistent file would produce error, isn't it? Feb 05 18:23:34 AndrewFBlack, are you using old gcc to build this? ie diablo devkit Feb 05 18:24:09 Stskeeps, oh, mine xorg is 1.3 Feb 05 18:25:25 Stskeeps, what version did you build it against? Feb 05 18:25:31 Stskeeps, i built my library in gcc4 yesterday and retested on x86 :) works well with tweaks Feb 05 18:25:55 * slonopotamus wonders where he can find xorg-omapfb devs Feb 05 18:28:34 ~ping Feb 05 18:28:35 ~pong Feb 05 18:29:05 timeout Feb 05 18:34:09 lcuk I havn't compiled anything Feb 05 18:35:33 of course AndrewFBlack, i meant slonopotamus Feb 05 18:35:35 sorry Feb 05 18:35:41 * lcuk is goin a bit insane Feb 05 18:35:51 lol Feb 05 18:36:24 ahhh you spoke at the wrong time and your nick is same length :) Feb 05 18:36:43 * lcuk is goin delirious Feb 05 18:36:44 sure blame me Feb 05 18:36:57 lcuk, gcc-4.2 Feb 05 18:36:58 thanks, i will Feb 05 18:37:22 slonopotamus, was just a thought cos i had similar sorts of errors during a switch over with no source changes in between Feb 05 18:38:27 lcuk, nope, my whole world is build using same compiler Feb 05 18:38:43 s/build/built/ Feb 05 18:38:44 slonopotamus meant: lcuk, nope, my whole world is built using same compiler Feb 05 18:40:32 that will do Feb 05 18:41:21 o_O Feb 05 18:41:43 talking bacon! Feb 05 18:41:44 bacon_sandwich: dang, getting hungry again Feb 05 18:41:50 sentient bacon! Feb 05 18:42:07 dont go that far - im created from a pigs arse Feb 05 18:44:00 feck feck feck, how do i handle dialogs in a not very OO oo system which isnt really OO but is fake OO and without completely creating a new language for it Feb 05 18:44:37 write a translator Feb 05 18:44:42 you're writing dialogs in php? :) Feb 05 18:44:43 I wondered when LIQ would be a langauge :) Feb 05 18:45:24 bacon_sandwich: just pack them? Feb 05 18:46:00 simon, what do you mean pack them? Feb 05 18:46:15 I thought you were talking about elements in a dialog, I guess now Feb 05 18:46:31 qwerty12, its not a language, but i was very tempted today to make a vb to liqcell importer Feb 05 18:46:46 ahhh no, the contents of the dialog are fine Feb 05 18:46:47 hehe Feb 05 18:46:54 i can create total user control elements Feb 05 18:47:06 but in the old system i set a global to indicate i was done ewith the dialog Feb 05 18:47:12 in the new system everything is objective Feb 05 18:48:05 this is for async dialogs? Feb 05 18:48:15 lardman, did you see the latest screen shot showing the basic widgets Feb 05 18:48:21 nope Feb 05 18:48:27 for the currently focused application Feb 05 18:48:57 http://liqbase.net/liq.20090204_005635.lib.scr.png Feb 05 18:49:11 so when i click on the calendar it is zoomed and focused Feb 05 18:49:15 fullscreen Feb 05 18:49:30 or window rather - i keep forgetting it runs there as well now ;) Feb 05 18:50:30 but its when a user action on the running app indicates its done now and wants to fall back and the system should zoom back out (like going back to the old menu) Feb 05 18:51:51 mpf, my n810 doesn't update itself over the air Feb 05 18:52:33 maybe it's too old? Feb 05 18:52:51 lardman :) those widgets are built up from that tiny little c example file i wrote a while ago and showed you. they are complete running apps, but can be operated and zoomed like the physics view :) they all render nice and fast nice matter how large they are Feb 05 18:53:05 Corsac: What OS is it? Feb 05 18:53:58 very old I guess Feb 05 18:54:17 Diablo is all that does SSU; in Control Panel; you'll need to reflash to that. Feb 05 18:54:26 sorry bacon_sandwich, I dropped out there Feb 05 18:54:28 2.2007.51-3 Feb 05 18:54:28 * bacon_sandwich just noticed lardman fell out of the chan Feb 05 18:54:37 yeah i just realised lol Feb 05 18:54:48 http://liqbase.net/liq.20090204_005635.lib.scr.png Feb 05 18:54:48 Then it will keep itself up to date. Feb 05 18:54:49 thats the pic Feb 05 18:54:51 I see what you mean though Feb 05 18:55:00 benson: so I need to flash it? Feb 05 18:55:43 Corsac: yes, unless you really like out-of-date software and hassles installing new apps. ;) Feb 05 18:55:56 hello world Feb 05 18:56:04 would someone please enable diablo extras-devel Feb 05 18:56:12 and search for "OS 2008 US" Feb 05 18:56:14 I've got -devel enabled Feb 05 18:56:29 Ok, I can search. Feb 05 18:56:40 search? you mean apt-cache search, or what? Feb 05 18:56:42 the search thing is causing me to file two more bugs Feb 05 18:56:50 benson: Application manager Feb 05 18:57:05 browse installable applications Feb 05 18:57:08 I didn't know it had a search, cool Feb 05 18:57:10 click the binoculars Feb 05 18:57:11 Oh. Feb 05 18:57:33 No matches found. Lemme update the repo info. Feb 05 18:57:53 * benson just always scrolled through the whole list... Feb 05 18:58:21 The new categories has me looking through the categories now :) Feb 05 18:59:14 Arghh... N800 is on EDGE, not Wifi. Feb 05 18:59:24 No wonder it's taking forever to update repos. Feb 05 18:59:30 qwerty12: good, isn't it? :) Feb 05 18:59:33 timeless: "No matches found" Feb 05 18:59:57 Jaffa, yep, I love it now :). Your grid view makes it look even better :) Feb 05 19:00:01 ~lart icd2 for not knowing about network priorities. Feb 05 19:00:01 * infobot holds icd2 to the floor and spanks him with a cat-o-nine-tails for not knowing about network priorities. Feb 05 19:00:07 timeless: or is it a new package? Feb 05 19:00:15 it's new Feb 05 19:00:17 timeless, got it. Want me to install? Feb 05 19:00:30 well, first, does it look pretty? :) Feb 05 19:00:49 as a warning, if you install it, you lose access to Amusing Nokia English(US) Feb 05 19:00:50 I like it :). Maemo-Display-Name & Maemo-Icon-26 :) Feb 05 19:01:07 but if you want to, you can always switch to Amusing Nokia English(UK) Feb 05 19:01:09 But, I would like a version with the Union Jack on it :D Feb 05 19:01:19 i'll get to it later Feb 05 19:01:27 atm i'm still improving stuff Feb 05 19:01:30 That'll be great. :) Feb 05 19:01:40 i have a bunch of changes for 0.1.1 or something Feb 05 19:01:43 mostly to mail Feb 05 19:01:49 since it wasn't well tested Feb 05 19:01:54 (and it sucks) Feb 05 19:01:57 My tablet is still stuck in en_US with your older locales, may as well install :) Feb 05 19:02:07 oh, yeah Feb 05 19:02:13 fwiw, i have no idea what that'll do Feb 05 19:02:23 *melt* Feb 05 19:02:26 it probably will claim the packages you have are equiv to the ones it's offering Feb 05 19:02:30 and only update the meta Feb 05 19:02:36 since the version numbers didn't change Feb 05 19:02:45 you should probably remove my older one first Feb 05 19:02:50 Install failed, dunno if it's because I'm using your older locales. Feb 05 19:02:52 timeless: not finding it... Feb 05 19:02:52 Yep :) Feb 05 19:03:08 benson: you have extras-devel installed? Feb 05 19:03:15 and you clicked browse installable applications Feb 05 19:03:20 and clicked the binoculars Feb 05 19:03:26 Jaffa: how do i get that patched appmgr? Feb 05 19:03:37 Yes on all 3... Feb 05 19:03:38 and entered: OS 2008 Feb 05 19:03:53 looks pretty indeed Feb 05 19:04:03 benson: have you ever installed one of my previous versions? Feb 05 19:04:08 Entered "OS 2008 US" without the quotes. Feb 05 19:04:10 Yes. Feb 05 19:04:10 if so, you should probably uninstall it first Feb 05 19:04:13 Ok. Feb 05 19:04:14 aquatix: a) Install Mer; b) build from h-a-m svn; c) qwerty12 might have some debs Feb 05 19:04:17 sorry Feb 05 19:04:41 now that i've released an official thing Feb 05 19:04:45 i'll actually version my debs Feb 05 19:04:45 some helpful guy from #gentoo-embedded gave me a fix : #define uint8_t unsigned char Feb 05 19:04:49 and this problem will go away Feb 05 19:04:52 Jaffa: ah right Feb 05 19:04:55 i wonder how you built it Feb 05 19:05:09 aquatix: the patches *should* be in the next release of Maemo, but who knows Feb 05 19:05:14 Jaffa: i'll stick with os2008 this close to going to fosdem ;) Feb 05 19:05:16 jaffa Feb 05 19:05:19 Jaffa: ghehe Feb 05 19:05:21 do you know much about application manager? Feb 05 19:05:24 suppose i have: Feb 05 19:05:29 package-1 (0.1) Feb 05 19:05:33 package-2 (0.1) Feb 05 19:05:44 package-3 (0.1) depends: package-1, package-2 Feb 05 19:05:50 Section: user/something Feb 05 19:05:59 (package-1 and package-2 are not in user/) Feb 05 19:06:10 if i install package-3 (and get package-1, package-2) Feb 05 19:06:22 and then a package-1 (0.1.1) is added to the repo Feb 05 19:06:26 do i get told about it? Feb 05 19:07:08 btw, sp3000 did the art shiny stuff Feb 05 19:07:10 * slonopotamus thinks no. however apt-get upgrade will pick it Feb 05 19:07:25 and thanks to wazd for the initial pointer Feb 05 19:07:37 package-1 is user/*, or not? Feb 05 19:07:41 not Feb 05 19:07:48 only 3 is in user/* Feb 05 19:07:53 Then no, it won't. Feb 05 19:07:57 (yes, terrible package names, i know) Feb 05 19:08:04 and that's ugly Feb 05 19:08:13 ? Feb 05 19:08:48 timeless, look what i & benson said. it won't update Feb 05 19:08:59 which is ugly Feb 05 19:09:05 my package names, or the behavior? :) Feb 05 19:09:09 behaviour Feb 05 19:09:39 ok Feb 05 19:09:43 supposing i then add Feb 05 19:09:55 package-3 (0.1.1) depends: package-1, package-2 Feb 05 19:10:09 will it get the latest package-1 (0.1.1) or keep the one i have? Feb 05 19:10:19 keep the one i bet Feb 05 19:10:45 is there any way for me to get a different behavior? Feb 05 19:10:51 i have 62+ dependencies Feb 05 19:10:58 and updating the control file would kinda suck Feb 05 19:11:08 timeless, i learned to prepare to the ugliest with nokia :) Feb 05 19:11:24 slonopotamus: hey, install the package Feb 05 19:11:25 bypass app-mugger and use apt-*? Feb 05 19:11:33 we can improve things :) Feb 05 19:11:45 benson, not user-friendly Feb 05 19:12:09 Neither is app-mugger. Feb 05 19:12:13 :P Feb 05 19:12:16 timeless, with current appmgr - nope Feb 05 19:12:22 sportstracker for my N810 would be awesome Feb 05 19:12:30 aww Feb 05 19:12:32 benson, i don't know what's app-mugger Feb 05 19:12:34 But it's the only alternative I know, not necessarily that it's better. Feb 05 19:12:37 Can't install OS 2008 US English Translation. Feb 05 19:12:38 if application manager uses apt, it should get the latest Feb 05 19:12:41 Installation file corrupted. Feb 05 19:13:11 aww fsck Feb 05 19:13:11 if it helps, you can always have a package to depend on specific version of another package Feb 05 19:13:25 slonopotamus: You keep abbreviating it as "appmgr"; I use a more descriptive version. Feb 05 19:13:26 wnd, he has 62 deps Feb 05 19:13:42 Failed to fetch ....language-support-translations Size mismatch Feb 05 19:13:46 benson, oh :) Feb 05 19:14:14 benson, i can use h-a-m :) Feb 05 19:14:57 btw. there was some initiative on fixing app categories. it failed? Feb 05 19:15:14 slonopotamus: i used the category i was told to use Feb 05 19:15:17 slonopotamus, http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/appman/testing/testing/newappmgrcatergories.png :) Feb 05 19:15:17 it landed me in other Feb 05 19:15:21 * timeless blames "someone else" Feb 05 19:15:31 unless i spelled it wrong Feb 05 19:15:40 is it user/System instead of user/system ? Feb 05 19:15:51 No, lower case Feb 05 19:16:36 FATAL -> Failed to fork. Feb 05 19:16:41 read: Bad file descriptor Feb 05 19:16:43 * timeless sighs Feb 05 19:16:47 h-a-m doesn't like me Feb 05 19:17:07 qwerty12, that's just a picture. open your h-a-m :) Feb 05 19:17:20 slonopotamus, it's a picture from my device :) Feb 05 19:18:18 timeless: it'll end up in "Other" if there's no translation; there may not be translations for all the determined categories Feb 05 19:18:29 qwerty12, well, 'cause you're a painter? :) Feb 05 19:18:58 slonopotamus: the categories fix up didn't fail at all: http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Package_categories Feb 05 19:19:08 qwerty12: where should one get the latest h-a-m for Diablo? from your maemobox, or elseplace? Feb 05 19:19:19 No, because I'm a person with the Diablo sdk and a person who went crazy learning how to get a specific branch from git :) Feb 05 19:19:36 ^ @slonopotamus Feb 05 19:19:41 Jaffa, open your manager. same mess as two years ago Feb 05 19:19:52 qwerty12, uh Feb 05 19:20:10 slonopotamus: the problem's fixed in svn - it's just a question of distributing the latest version. Feb 05 19:20:15 qwerty12, gui can't fix repo :) Feb 05 19:20:24 benson, http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/appman/testing/testing/hildon-application-manager_2.1.20~unreleased_armel.deb - notice the unreleased tag :). A newer version may be in git, dunno Feb 05 19:20:47 thx Feb 05 19:20:48 qwerty12, how many % of packages was put into 'other'? :) Feb 05 19:21:09 s/was/were Feb 05 19:21:16 so um Feb 05 19:21:24 are people able to install my package? Feb 05 19:21:28 because i can't :( Feb 05 19:21:30 slonopotamus, can't deny that there is quite a few but the newer h-a-m is a step forward no doubt,. Feb 05 19:22:08 timeless, I could install it but now I'm left with packages that I now have to selectively apt-get upgrade (or install technically) Feb 05 19:22:10 timeless, the funniest thing is that you can't fix your package category, you need to roll out new version :) Feb 05 19:22:15 slonopotamus: once the i18n is in place, are you volunteering to help raise bugs/contact package maintainers to get packages moved into the most appropriate category? The help'd be appreciated Feb 05 19:22:52 Jaffa, just make autobuilder die on nonexistent category Feb 05 19:23:03 slonopotamus: i'll have to roll something to update for the next string set Feb 05 19:23:22 slonopotamus: perhaps - but that'll just push people away from Extras again; it's an option, but it's not helpful one Feb 05 19:23:31 so um Feb 05 19:23:31 It's a "piss off and fix your package" solution Feb 05 19:23:40 * qwerty12 should upload his Droid Sans font to extras-devel too come think of it... Feb 05 19:23:45 slonopotamus: and doesn't do anything for all the packages already in extras Feb 05 19:23:47 s/font/font package/ Feb 05 19:24:02 can i make a package's (re)configure stage trigger apt-get upgrade for a list of packages? :) Feb 05 19:24:05 Jaffa, ok, put someone between autobuilder and repo so he/she/it will fix categories Feb 05 19:24:17 jaffa, wall of shame Feb 05 19:24:24 slonopotamus: yes, I was asking if you were volunteering to help? Feb 05 19:24:58 Jaffa, thinking out solutions isn't a help yet? :) Feb 05 19:25:17 ok, which gps/map stuff should I use? Feb 05 19:25:19 Actions speak louder than words ;) Feb 05 19:25:49 slonopotamus: these solutions have already been arrived at in various threads on maemo-*, it's a question of putting them into action ;-) Feb 05 19:25:55 depends on if your pc is muted or not, i can make words VERY loud Feb 05 19:26:03 * timeless frowns Feb 05 19:26:06 Put someone between autobuilder and repo so he/she/it will _hurl insults, flames, and imprecations at the maintainers_? Feb 05 19:26:13 giving out http://localhost/ as a url won't help many people, will it? Feb 05 19:26:28 bacon_sandwich, you're from the North and northerns are gobby so I can believe that :P Feb 05 19:26:37 * bacon_sandwich writes a new physics view Feb 05 19:26:38 s/northerns/northerners Feb 05 19:27:03 oi Feb 05 19:27:33 Jaffa, i'm busy with gentoo, sorry Feb 05 19:30:34 broken repository model, broken installer, broken init scripts... i don't understand benefits of debian and derivatives. Feb 05 19:42:20 so um... Feb 05 19:42:25 did anyone actually get my package to install? Feb 05 19:42:32 X-Fade, if i wanted to automatically download a user avatar from maemo.org, is there a url format i could use? Feb 05 19:42:52 ie, the whole profile is available as http://maemo.org/profile/view/lcuk/ Feb 05 19:43:07 is there a param to just get the avatar Feb 05 19:56:04 well I got my income tax return back what gadget should I buy now Feb 05 19:56:17 wait for rx-51? :P Feb 05 19:56:39 I figure it will be 3rd quarter before we it it Feb 05 19:56:39 AndrewFBlack: ultimate wall-e Feb 05 19:57:36 AndrewFBlack: a beagleboard? :P Feb 05 19:58:04 I can get on the lets wait for pandora to ship banwagon lol Feb 05 19:58:30 hehe Feb 05 19:58:37 beagleboards deliver, heh :P Feb 05 19:59:19 I would be better of buying someone else a beagle board lol Feb 05 19:59:54 A chance at a Pandora? Feb 05 20:00:11 That may be 3rd quarter, too... Feb 05 20:00:18 AndrewFBlack: I'd hope to see rx-51 by end of 2nd quarter Feb 05 20:00:39 I did look at a archos 5 today one clearance at Circut City but I decided not to get it Feb 05 20:00:53 Pandora you might just get one by end of 2nd quarter if you order one of the left overs now; that's my theory anyway Feb 05 20:01:13 lardman, they still havn't shipped any yet have that Feb 05 20:01:16 they Feb 05 20:01:39 what i think is funny most the stuff on sale at circut city can still be goten online for less money Feb 05 20:02:05 no, nor will they for another month or so, at least, I guess Feb 05 20:02:46 and it will probably be longer than that, seeing how their timeline from a month ago has already slipped >2 weeks afaict Feb 05 20:02:49 AndrewFBlack: i wouldn't touch an archos personally :P Feb 05 20:02:58 I heard the first thing CC did was put everything back up to MSRP, so that the starting "discounts" left it still more than it had been the previous week. XD Feb 05 20:03:03 even if you could root it? Feb 05 20:03:10 Stskeeps, I was looking at it as a Media Player Only Feb 05 20:03:14 bacon_sandwich: if i could root it, it would be a different thing Feb 05 20:03:47 * qwerty12_N800 doesn't like the way Archos are like scavengers Feb 05 20:03:50 Stskeeps: It's possible for some of the Archos devices Feb 05 20:03:56 I saw some hacks people are doing on it I'm surprise they don't have root access yet Feb 05 20:04:13 we could load Mer on its 250GB Hard drive Feb 05 20:04:45 qwerty12_N800: i'm building armv4t mer at the moment.. debian base though Feb 05 20:04:50 Stskeeps, I bet if I ordered it and set it to you to figure out how to get Mer on it you would play with it lol Feb 05 20:05:03 * lardman is tempted by a larger screen for watching movies Feb 05 20:05:09 * wazd has made rotatable OMweather layout. Wazd is happy Feb 05 20:05:13 AndrewFBlack: Pocket Loox 720, beagleboard, so far :P Feb 05 20:05:24 Stskeeps, cool :). Is this for the loox? Feb 05 20:05:32 qwerty12_N800: no, loox is armv5te O_o Feb 05 20:05:38 which is bloody brilliant Feb 05 20:05:43 ah :) Feb 05 20:05:50 You know what i really want is a new cell phone with a decent size screen I don't even want a smart phone just a little bigger screen Feb 05 20:05:52 qwerty12_N800: this is for stuff like Freerunner.. Feb 05 20:06:10 Stskeeps, freerunner dont have xv yet do they Feb 05 20:06:16 bacon_sandwich: noclue Feb 05 20:06:17 * AndrewFBlack is reinstalling Mer after messing his install up Feb 05 20:06:27 AndrewFBlack: i just keep around a tar.gz, makes things easier Feb 05 20:06:27 ah ha, from what I hear, they could do with a real os... - Stskeeps Feb 05 20:06:37 qwerty12_N800: "Maemo Everywhere" Feb 05 20:06:37 :P Feb 05 20:06:56 tar.gz of what? Feb 05 20:07:02 * bacon_sandwich is pleased to see maemo being pushed outwards. ive had enough of our little device being stomped on Feb 05 20:07:05 hehe, when will Maemo achieve world domination? :) Feb 05 20:07:36 AndrewFBlack: the installer downloads a tar.gz which is an image of the intended filesystem Feb 05 20:07:51 qwerty12_N800: i honestly think it might have a better shot than android.. but that's me Feb 05 20:07:53 I may buy another 720 if the price is better, worthless with os2003 imho but Mer could make it worthwhile Feb 05 20:07:58 if people can take any device, slap X and touchscreen on top.. Feb 05 20:08:04 Stskeeps, ok Feb 05 20:08:21 Stskeeps, not me personally :) but i love Google so... Feb 05 20:08:23 (there's ofcourse issue of power management etc..) Feb 05 20:08:47 I had lxde running well to well this gives me a change to check out all my instructions i wrote for people Feb 05 20:10:50 maybe I'll get me a Nokia 9300 Feb 05 20:11:29 get an e90 instead if you have the money :p Feb 05 20:12:10 well I can get a 9300 unlocked for 150 lol about a fifth of the e90 lol Feb 05 20:12:25 hehe Feb 05 20:14:00 lol you can print frorm a Nokia 9300 but you can't a Nokia Internet Tablet Feb 05 20:17:51 wish I could find a Nokia 9000 lol I always wanted one of those in high school lol Feb 05 20:17:57 AndrewFBlack: you probably can from mer :P Feb 05 20:18:29 Last time i checked, cups was in -devel... Feb 05 20:20:45 wonder if I can get the Nokia 9000 to hook up to my tablet Feb 05 20:20:50 Tear is nice but less so when it insists on setting /apps/osso/gtk/enable-accels to true Feb 05 20:29:31 timeless: Finally got it. Some trouble with uninstalling the old one, left me with no localization, but then it installed fine. Feb 05 20:29:45 * GeneralAntilles dreamed about a "Nokia N1913" (RX-51) last night. Feb 05 20:30:15 Unstable, pre-alpha, unpolished, barely-Fremantle UI but it was blazing fast. Feb 05 20:30:24 GeneralAntilles, is N1913 offical namen ow? Feb 05 20:30:31 * benson wants an N1913 with an M1913 mount Feb 05 20:30:40 N2000 Feb 05 20:30:42 ;P Feb 05 20:30:43 It will be now ;) Feb 05 20:30:52 lol Feb 05 20:30:58 "I had a dream!" Feb 05 20:31:08 GeneralAntilles: So it was running Mer? ;) Feb 05 20:31:18 benson, lol Feb 05 20:31:23 benson, nah, it was Fremantle, but with a very broken UI. :P Feb 05 20:31:30 GeneralAntilles: beagle does mer now btw :P your board still dead? Feb 05 20:31:53 is there a way to disable the texte bar with t9 when typing on keyboard? Feb 05 20:32:13 Stskeeps, I think I need an intervening 3rd-party to recover it. Feb 05 20:32:19 A new SD card and another machine to format it on. Feb 05 20:32:35 I still can't understand why I managed to fix it ONCE, but then never again. Feb 05 20:32:36 ah, thought your uboot was hosed or something Feb 05 20:32:49 It is Feb 05 20:33:06 and I managed to boot from an SD card ONCE Feb 05 20:33:16 then flashed a replacement and ended up in the same situation Feb 05 20:33:44 Ha . . . I just made the Rygel/Farscape connection. <_< Feb 05 20:34:10 Stskeeps, I was gonna ask about the DBOX2 port but then remembered it uses a PPC :p Feb 05 20:34:13 ehlo general Feb 05 20:34:17 moo qwerty, sts Feb 05 20:34:26 hi RST38h Feb 05 20:35:05 qwerty12_N800: dbox2? Feb 05 20:35:16 qwerty12_N800: and we were thinking about a ppc port.. for wii Feb 05 20:36:28 it is fairly easy once ubuntu is ported. Feb 05 20:36:34 (there is a powerpc port) Feb 05 20:37:01 Stskeeps, some really old cable recievers hacked to run linux and hacked for other purposes... they've been superceded by other recievers but that one holds a nostalgic value to me for being the box that started it all. but I'm not entirely sure the speed is good enough... Feb 05 20:37:24 hehe Feb 05 20:37:31 8mb flash images might be cutting it a bit ;) Feb 05 20:38:24 generalantilles: so... Feb 05 20:38:32 if you use stage.maemo.org instead of repository.maemo.org Feb 05 20:38:34 haha, think newer ones are more powerful (eg dreambox) with built in hd's etc but I think they still want firmware on flash... Feb 05 20:38:38 you can get my OS 2008 strings Feb 05 20:38:49 * timeless kinda poisoned the repository :( Feb 05 20:38:58 stupid netscalar-thingy Feb 05 20:39:04 akamai? Feb 05 20:39:43 "Someone poisoned the waterhole!" Feb 05 20:40:04 timeless: poisoned? Is this new, because I just installed from repository.maemo.org... Feb 05 20:40:19 not new Feb 05 20:40:30 there are a bunch of akamai regional mirrors Feb 05 20:40:34 Like 10 minutes ago, seemed to work fine. Feb 05 20:40:39 and the one near me got poisoned by an old version of a file Feb 05 20:40:46 oh, ok Feb 05 20:40:49 the version all the others see is ok Feb 05 20:40:51 but i forgot about it Feb 05 20:41:12 You know something athta doesn't work on Mer tha surprised me is backlight keyboard Feb 05 20:41:30 AndrewFBlack: we simply haven't made support for it Feb 05 20:41:37 wow look at my typing skills Feb 05 20:41:38 you'd be amazed how much is SW and how little is HW :P Feb 05 20:42:05 yeah I figured backlight keys was HW should have seen me last night in dark trying to use it lol Feb 05 20:42:06 it actually isn't that complicated imho looking at the source of the mce module Feb 05 20:43:03 oh btw Feb 05 20:43:13 i have a replacement for the maemo-folder-picker-thingy Feb 05 20:43:20 and the maemo-show-text-thingy Feb 05 20:43:26 because those thingys don't work Feb 05 20:43:46 :( Feb 05 20:43:49 maemo-confirm-text & maemo-menu-select-location? Feb 05 20:43:53 i can't view installed applications by category Feb 05 20:43:57 yes, those two evil thingys Feb 05 20:44:01 they work me come think of it Feb 05 20:44:08 s/me/for me/ Feb 05 20:44:08 qwerty12_N800 meant: they work for me come think of it Feb 05 20:44:12 >.< Feb 05 20:44:57 The selection-location needs to behave differently if installing from a console. Feb 05 20:45:06 oh Feb 05 20:45:10 is that why it breaks? Feb 05 20:45:21 because i tried installing things from ham Feb 05 20:45:23 and they failed Feb 05 20:45:28 and later trying to update from console Feb 05 20:45:33 my dpkg's hung Feb 05 20:45:40 hey qwerty12_N800 I'm listing some of the projects Maemobox hosts on the front page I'm putting some of your up if thats cool Feb 05 20:45:57 AndrewFBlack, sure, go for it :) Feb 05 20:46:04 The Formido short description "Kill as much alien insect bastards as possible." Feb 05 20:46:11 * GeneralAntilles hits qwerty12_N800 with a shoe. Feb 05 20:46:32 yes, I was gonna use motherfuckers but decided against it. Feb 05 20:46:34 I"m still waiting for the email from Nokia telling me to change the name of the site Feb 05 20:46:48 qwerty12_N800, alien insect bastards are not water. :P Feb 05 20:47:12 I actually copied that (with changes) from the original description :p Feb 05 20:47:15 hehe :P Feb 05 20:47:30 We could probably use a styleguide for packaging Feb 05 20:47:31 changes: s/many/much/ ? Feb 05 20:47:47 AndrewFBlack: how much traffic can you drag btw? Feb 05 20:47:50 Personally, I don't think short descriptions should be followed by a period. Feb 05 20:48:36 I'm all up for a style guide, my grammar isn't the best & I'm not the most imaginative person Feb 05 20:49:09 timeless, maybe drop "OS 2008"? Feb 05 20:49:22 your timing sucks Feb 05 20:49:30 i'm pushing it now via dput Feb 05 20:49:33 Hehe Feb 05 20:49:37 it's now OS2008 Feb 05 20:49:41 Well, make a note for the next release. :P Feb 05 20:50:15 * qwerty12_N800 takes the shoe thrown at me by GeneralAntilles and aimes for timeless Feb 05 20:50:25 I think OS2008 can be assumed, since anybody seeing it will be seeing it from the appropriate Extras distribution. Feb 05 20:50:29 s/aimes/aims Feb 05 20:50:39 well, there's OS2008 Feature upgrade Feb 05 20:50:43 * GeneralAntilles takes the shoe back from qwerty12_N800 and throws it at him again. Feb 05 20:50:44 qwerty12_N800: on the bright side, stringing expletives together must not require much creativity. Feb 05 20:51:06 Oh thanks GeneralAntilles. :P Feb 05 20:51:18 benson, fuck no Feb 05 20:51:24 s/cre/imagin/ Feb 05 20:51:26 benson meant: qwerty12_N800: on the bright side, stringing expletives together must not require much imaginativity. Feb 05 20:51:35 Stskeeps, 7.8 TB a month Feb 05 20:51:41 timeless, maybe "Improved translations for US English" would work beta as the short description? Feb 05 20:52:14 technically the short thing shouldn't be a sentence fwiw Feb 05 20:52:16 Qole uses about 600GB amonth transfer Feb 05 20:52:19 s/by Americans/for Americans/ ? Feb 05 20:52:23 if you mean the debian thing and not the maemo thing Feb 05 20:53:02 no, usable by is correct Feb 05 20:53:13 it means that Americans could use it Feb 05 20:53:34 Stskeeps, Looking to offload some of the Mer work load? Feb 05 20:53:42 AndrewFBlack: thinking about it, yeah Feb 05 20:53:43 you want me to change: translations metapackage for US English Feb 05 20:53:43 ? Feb 05 20:53:43 Nokia would have said "of Americans"... Feb 05 20:53:59 improved translations for US English Feb 05 20:54:06 NO Feb 05 20:54:12 improved US English translations Feb 05 20:54:14 ^ ok? Feb 05 20:54:22 err Feb 05 20:54:27 improved US English localization Feb 05 20:54:35 grr I did it again I load lxde before i installed an oncreen keyboard Feb 05 20:54:40 ^ ok? Feb 05 20:55:18 where's the dput page? Feb 05 20:55:30 brb got to kill wpa on my router Feb 05 20:55:37 dput page? Feb 05 20:55:45 Hi everybody, I've got some questions about maemo-gtk... is there another channel more suited for that? Or is this one just right ? Feb 05 20:56:00 fred23: think it's closest you get :P Feb 05 20:56:09 k, I'm with Mozilla and we're experiencing problems with one of our invisible widgets calling gtk_invisible_new() under Nokia's N810 mobile devices. Feb 05 20:56:17 It seems that this call triggers a thorough search through every single native theme directories to find .png images, which result in 4050 'lstat64' system calls... ahuge chunk of our startup time. Feb 05 20:56:22 timeless: Third line of long description doesn't fit in window; can you wrap "actually" to the last line? Feb 05 20:56:52 Since I'm aware that this style-retrieving step might *not* be evitable, I know there's still something wrong: It's supposed to be cached for subsequent app launches... but it's not! Feb 05 20:56:56 Does anyone have any hint about that ? Feb 05 20:57:00 fred23: are you using sapwood engine, btw? Feb 05 20:57:03 yep Feb 05 20:57:44 mail maemo-developers mailing list, i'm sure they'll catch up on it, they're crazy about performance, so :P Feb 05 20:58:01 or bugs.maemo.org Feb 05 20:58:02 you got it ! thanx ;-) Feb 05 20:58:24 timeless, capitalize Improved. Feb 05 21:00:19 generalantilles: debian package policy complains that the thing shouldn't be Sentence caps'd Feb 05 21:00:24 bensons: yeah, one sec Feb 05 21:00:27 Bleh Feb 05 21:00:33 We're totally not consistent than. Feb 05 21:00:39 * timeless nods Feb 05 21:00:43 It's about 60/40 capitalized/not Feb 05 21:00:46 bensons: 'actually' is now wrapped Feb 05 21:00:57 * GeneralAntilles prefers capitalized, personally. Feb 05 21:01:01 alright Feb 05 21:01:07 now what was the line? Feb 05 21:01:18 Stskeeps, Just let me know if you do and we will set you up downlaod speed for me is normally about 600kb down a second from the server Feb 05 21:01:32 ok Feb 05 21:01:34 anything else? Feb 05 21:01:34 Improved US English localization Feb 05 21:01:41 Nope Feb 05 21:01:47 You could argue that Maemo policy doesn't expect it :) Feb 05 21:01:49 ok, they'll be part of 0.1.2 Feb 05 21:02:00 which won't happen until after FOSDEM Feb 05 21:02:15 anyway, please install it and use it Feb 05 21:02:18 and collect complaints Feb 05 21:02:32 hey qwerty whats some of the projects you have on maemobox server besides x Screensaver so I can list a few Feb 05 21:02:45 note that 0.1.1 is currently supposedly moving through builder Feb 05 21:03:24 * timeless kicks extras-assistant Feb 05 21:03:24 AndrewFBlack, maemo ones? My biggest one personally imho is the snmp mod to the firmware for my old router Feb 05 21:03:44 We need to fix how h-a-m handles displaying descriptions before we push any style guide, though. Feb 05 21:03:47 AndrewFBlack, lemme have a look for more Feb 05 21:04:00 lol yeah Maemo mainly Feb 05 21:05:38 lol qole on his account named thanks-andrew its an empty text file Feb 05 21:06:20 what's the story on the SD card issues with the n800? Feb 05 21:06:30 AndrewFBlack, I've got nmap with an actual working zenmap on there Feb 05 21:06:32 was there ever an official "here's how to fix/prevent that" Feb 05 21:06:48 ok Feb 05 21:08:05 LOL, lcuk, I just noticed your /msg tab turned into bacon_sandwich. :P Feb 05 21:08:16 ok, we need to get dinner Feb 05 21:08:20 and i need to pack and go to the airport Feb 05 21:08:36 andre__: have fun shipping bugs to various projects Feb 05 21:08:37 have fun at fosdem Feb 05 21:08:39 some go to debian.org Feb 05 21:08:42 :) Feb 05 21:10:10 mpf, with maemo mapper which gps should I use? Feb 05 21:10:50 evening b-man Feb 05 21:11:07 hi Stskeeps :) Feb 05 21:11:32 b-man: did you ever have any luck with bzr? Feb 05 21:11:44 nope :( Feb 05 21:12:02 k Feb 05 21:12:14 we'll look at it latest after sunday Feb 05 21:12:25 ok Feb 05 21:12:50 gf is home so my productivity is .. 70% down or so :P Feb 05 21:13:07 hi thopiekar ;-) Feb 05 21:13:51 * sp3000 mumbles something about reproductivity Feb 05 21:14:01 Hi, sp3000. :) Feb 05 21:14:13 hah Feb 05 21:14:25 hi brdusr ;) Feb 05 21:14:40 Stskeeps: btw, i've finished buiding up that ubuntu repository - it includes re-compiled packages from mer/deblet repo :) Feb 05 21:14:49 timeless, hehe. see you soon! Feb 05 21:15:00 I may have to make the community highlights a once-a-month deal, I don't think I can keep up with bi-monthly. . . . Feb 05 21:15:00 as long as i don't miss my flight Feb 05 21:15:02 * andre__ should also pack his suitcase Feb 05 21:15:05 (all of the base packages at least) Feb 05 21:15:10 * timeless needs to eat, pack, catch cab Feb 05 21:15:12 b-man: hehe, alright Feb 05 21:15:13 sleep@airport Feb 05 21:15:16 bye all Feb 05 21:15:19 cy Feb 05 21:15:24 Stskeeps: yesterday your productivity was 50% cause of gf :) Feb 05 21:15:26 c ya Feb 05 21:15:37 cya Feb 05 21:15:52 see you timeless Feb 05 21:16:46 wazd: hehe Feb 05 21:16:59 sp3000, out of curiosity, are you the same person who worked on timidity? think I noticed your name when I did some quick hildonizing to the gtk interface Feb 05 21:21:45 Hey if you you have a modified xmodmap how do you run it? Feb 05 21:22:45 qwerty12_N800: hi there :-) Feb 05 21:22:50 nevermind Feb 05 21:22:59 sorry, took much more than 30m. Feb 05 21:23:05 * b-man discovers that one of his friends has a nokia n800 0_o wohoooo!!! i'm not the only one anymore :D Feb 05 21:23:21 anyway, qwerty12_N800 the last kernel that i've compiled is now working fine Feb 05 21:24:06 ppires, hi :). I tried it too, my uptime is still going up as normal with your config :) Feb 05 21:24:25 b-man: i was surprised to find my officemate has a n810, heh Feb 05 21:24:33 i obviously started pushing Mer to hi. Feb 05 21:24:36 him. :P Feb 05 21:24:41 hehe Feb 05 21:25:28 I think GeneralAntilles is the person nearest me who has one lol Feb 05 21:26:17 qwerty12_N800: now, do you know how to get busybox with ipv6 support? Feb 05 21:26:42 ppires, the one with diablo should already have it Feb 05 21:27:18 qwerty12_N800: nice! Feb 05 21:27:44 what irc client do u use? Feb 05 21:28:02 ppires, xchat Feb 05 21:28:24 qwerty12_N800: is it available in maemo extras? Feb 05 21:28:29 yep Feb 05 21:30:32 hEy. Weather forecast for fosdem?? Feb 05 21:31:08 cold, lots of cold Feb 05 21:33:16 * GeneralAntilles deletes all of timeless's builder list spam. Feb 05 21:34:33 heh Feb 05 21:35:45 Pass/fail? :) Feb 05 21:37:34 timelE61i, most of it seemed to pass. ;) Feb 05 21:41:23 It'd be nice if i could scp/dput/upload a single zip and have it process everything in one job... Feb 05 21:42:55 File an enhancement request. Feb 05 21:43:28 * timelE61i will... Feb 05 21:43:54 so, how long between success and uplod to repo? Feb 05 21:44:13 Once an hour, I think? Feb 05 21:44:54 That's for extras promotion, extras-devel is a little more random but less than an hour for sure :/ Feb 05 21:45:07 Ah, OK. Feb 05 21:48:09 qwerty: can you tell me what portion of my packages are 0.1 v 0.1.1 in extras-devel atm? Feb 05 21:50:00 benson, lol, so much Matrix. ;) Feb 05 21:50:42 ? Feb 05 21:50:56 timelE61i, I've seen the amount of packages you uploaded so I won't be checking personally :). But you can grab the dists/Packages file and search for your packages or use the extras promoter for a nicer view :) Feb 05 21:51:04 timelE61i, setup pictures with Matrix screensavers. Feb 05 21:51:05 http://flickr.com/photos/31311658@N07/3256723418/ Feb 05 21:51:11 * bacon_sandwich does the inverse of the physics algo Feb 05 21:52:47 gan at that resolution i can almost read your gmail Feb 05 21:53:05 how to take photo (using n800's webcam) via ssh? Feb 05 21:53:13 bacon_sandwich, not MY email. :P Feb 05 21:53:13 Yeah, almost, but I think it's secure enough. Feb 05 21:53:33 Contents are clean, and it's almost impossible to read. Feb 05 21:54:02 shakey amateur cameraman ;) Feb 05 21:54:13 oli: the camera is accessible using v4l Feb 05 21:54:19 oli: probably this can be done using gst-launch Feb 05 21:54:23 i like the recursion Feb 05 21:54:25 Find an app that speaks it... Feb 05 21:55:13 timelE61i: v4l or v4l2 ? maybe mplayer can do dhis Feb 05 21:55:34 2 iirc Feb 05 21:56:37 Gan: so have you installed 0.1 or are you just critiquing the debian/control file? Feb 05 21:56:48 bacon_sandwich: using a tripod, but I can't control my camera. LCD is broken. :( Feb 05 21:57:46 * timelE61i kicks modest for string abuse Feb 05 21:57:58 oh lol - i thought it was gans setup :P Feb 05 21:58:12 he has just as much stuff in a similar layout Feb 05 21:58:20 though i did notice you left your drugs out Feb 05 21:59:06 look again. Feb 05 21:59:15 oli: http://wiki.maemo.org/Streaming_video_from_built-in_webcam Feb 05 21:59:22 Empty drug receptacles stacked next to the laptop. Feb 05 21:59:33 Caffiene is a drug, too. Feb 05 22:00:06 oli: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2007/webcam_server/ Feb 05 22:00:14 is the pic on the laptop a previous image, or live stream? Feb 05 22:00:23 keesj: got gstmjpg or something like this Feb 05 22:00:45 previous image. Feb 05 22:01:01 i can stream and take photos, but quality just sucks ;p Feb 05 22:04:56 the camera was never advertised as high quality Feb 05 22:05:42 I know, but I would like to take photos with delay (ex. 60 sec) and convert them into 25fps movie Feb 05 22:07:29 time-lapse Feb 05 22:08:40 timelE61i, it was "corrupted" so I couldn't install. Feb 05 22:08:48 timelE61i, just giving you shit over the control file. ;) Feb 05 22:10:53 gan: switch to stage Feb 05 22:10:57 It should work Feb 05 22:11:02 (it worked for me) Feb 05 22:11:43 Fwiw, a future version will give a different string for that error Feb 05 22:11:56 Probably 0.1.1 Feb 05 22:13:09 i cant install mer ... i take the install file from the wiki and done the complete proceed with bootmenue but maemo load and my mmc's are emty oO Feb 05 22:15:14 0_o Feb 05 22:15:15 to everyone, please take notes about any strings you don't like :) Feb 05 22:16:25 hi b-man i'm a new fan from your forum thrads :-D respekt from hamburg to you ... you make a great job :-D Feb 05 22:17:12 hehe, thanks :D Feb 05 22:18:52 brdusr: btw, i'll be releasing a newer version of merinstaller soon so that problem will hopefully be fixed ;) Feb 05 22:19:04 :-) just wont say that, cause i got my 810er one ween and your threads are very helpfull for me ... thank you for this again, and again Feb 05 22:19:25 oh thats great :-D Feb 05 22:19:40 b-man: hey, feel free to pull in the enus string sets (esp 0.1.1) :) Feb 05 22:20:03 ??? Feb 05 22:20:35 Is the installer unrelated to mer's content? Feb 05 22:20:51 completely, it's a delivery system Feb 05 22:20:54 imager is me :P Feb 05 22:21:23 Oops :) Feb 05 22:21:35 Ok, well, same to you :) Feb 05 22:21:55 If you really need some extra fremantle strings, i can add them Feb 05 22:22:05 alright, i'll add it to TODO Feb 05 22:22:21 this from the wiki -> okia N8x0 - Flashable image (untested) <- how can i handle this images with flasher ??? Feb 05 22:22:24 a locale switcher would be nice :) Feb 05 22:22:45 brdusr: 0.6 page, you dont want to use that flashable image :P Feb 05 22:22:51 0.7 one is still a bit broken so Feb 05 22:23:57 :-( Feb 05 22:24:00 ok Feb 05 22:24:29 and 0.6 installer file will run on 810 ??? Feb 05 22:24:31 :-) Feb 05 22:26:55 gan, so are you trying it from stage ? :) Feb 05 22:28:56 * b-man ponders if the ubuntu n8x0 repo is complete enough to safely discontinue the use of the mer/deblet repo in his ubuntu jauntu port... possibly Feb 05 22:29:20 brdusr: it will possibly steal your wife.. dont use 0.6, its outdated by now :P Feb 05 22:29:24 re: jaunty :P Feb 05 22:29:42 lol Feb 05 22:31:01 timelE61i, I'm too lazy for that. Feb 05 22:31:05 Waiting for rmo to work Feb 05 22:31:06 *g* ok, so what is wrong with o.7 install proceed .. after install i cant choose a os and maemo starting up but the install proceen with bootmenu dont shows any errors Feb 05 22:31:30 used the .install? Feb 05 22:32:30 i download the install file from the wiki page ... start the installer from the tablet menu and the terminal comes up ... i answere any questions with yes and reboot Feb 05 22:32:45 ahhhh Feb 05 22:32:55 so you mean i'm not a root ??? Feb 05 22:33:42 i dont have install suduser or something ... need i root for the install file ??? Oo Feb 05 22:36:48 where can i a list of valid package categories? Feb 05 22:37:57 ok i will start it one more time step by step maybe i forget something Feb 05 22:38:06 thp, https://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Package_categories Feb 05 22:38:17 first download the .install file from the wiki Feb 05 22:39:19 qwerty12_N800: thanks :) Feb 05 22:39:35 np :) Feb 05 22:40:07 aw goddamn! Feb 05 22:40:16 My pen stoped responding Feb 05 22:45:21 after rebooting from the Bootmenue installer ... i will start the "Install Mer" Button ... but i dont know - have i do something before ??? Feb 05 22:46:00 with this /etc/bootmenu.d/ oO i dont understand this Feb 05 22:59:01 does gtk_widget_queue_draw() invalidate an entire widget's area and schedule it for a re-draw (i.e. expose-event will be delivered to it)? Feb 05 23:00:13 and equally, why do widgets on a tab of a notebook not receive expose-event messages when the tab changes and they are exposed? Or should I hook into a different signal? Feb 05 23:01:52 but perhaps none of that matters, I'm using gst_x_overlay_set_xwindow_id() to set the widget into which I want to render some video; can I hide that widget (on a tab of my notebook) and then reveal it again, without needing any extra code (doesn't work for me)? Feb 05 23:02:12 I should say, "should I be able to..." Feb 05 23:10:33 lardman, first question, yes Feb 05 23:10:51 to specify an area within a widget you would use gtk_widget_queue_draw_area Feb 05 23:11:01 which is what i used during some tests last week :) Feb 05 23:11:10 I think I need to tack _area() onto the end of that fn to work for a widget created with gtk_drawing_area_new() though? Feb 05 23:11:43 ah, so that works for you, I'll try that instead, the one I said first doens't seem to do anything at all Feb 05 23:11:48 i believe not, the general function invalidates all Feb 05 23:11:54 the _area function invalidates a portion Feb 05 23:11:56 or so i believe Feb 05 23:12:00 hmm Feb 05 23:12:01 ok Feb 05 23:12:37 any thoughts about xvimagesinks and whether I need to disable the xv-ness when it's not foreground any more? Feb 05 23:13:13 how are you preparing the expose event Feb 05 23:14:15 good question, let me see Feb 05 23:15:04 i used Feb 05 23:15:05 g_signal_connect (G_OBJECT (drawing_area), "expose_event", G_CALLBACK (on_expose), NULL); Feb 05 23:15:24 try to install mer again ... dont understand this from the wiki page: Feb 05 23:15:29 """If you are cloning or booting other OS'es, you'll need to make such .item files] """ Feb 05 23:15:30 oO Feb 05 23:15:30 (i started reading lots of the examples Feb 05 23:16:18 .item files what the content of this file and how can i create one in the following folder oO Feb 05 23:16:43 bacon_sandwich: well I think that GStreamer will render straight into the widget's window as I've asked it to Feb 05 23:17:34 yeah, it used to work before without much hassle and no complex code Feb 05 23:17:42 did you test the minimize Feb 05 23:17:58 !!! look at khertans new mnotes Feb 05 23:18:04 he used pygtk and gstreamer Feb 05 23:18:07 and tabs Feb 05 23:18:09 and camera Feb 05 23:18:18 not had a chance to test yet Feb 05 23:18:19 that should give you a clue Feb 05 23:18:25 pygtk though Feb 05 23:18:32 its the same though Feb 05 23:18:39 ok, will have a look see Feb 05 23:18:40 thanks Feb 05 23:19:04 the flow should be identical even though the language is different - you are still accessing the same libraries in the same order, just got a bit of glue around them Feb 05 23:19:39 ive got physics view into the new liqbase :) Feb 05 23:22:37 simple terminal question ... what the command to create / make a new file ??? Feb 05 23:22:38 so I guess that xv is just displaying the video without gtk needing to know about it Feb 05 23:22:55 brdusr, touch file Feb 05 23:23:02 in which case, does xv handle the case of the window being obscured? Feb 05 23:23:03 that will make a new empty file named 'file' Feb 05 23:23:04 thanks Feb 05 23:23:52 and how i can rename it to an .item file ? :-) Feb 05 23:24:02 mv Feb 05 23:24:05 lardman, i dunno, i stripped out all that side of it, but i would assume its such a normal condition that it wouldnt have been omitted Feb 05 23:24:15 thank you Feb 05 23:24:18 :-) Feb 05 23:24:18 bacon_sandwich: yeah, my thought too Feb 05 23:24:35 brdusr: better to have just touched the file with the right name first off Feb 05 23:25:17 like i said, simplest test of all - minimise the window and bring it back Feb 05 23:25:22 dont touch the tab and just check that Feb 05 23:25:29 should be an ultra quick simple check Feb 05 23:25:49 yeah, but I'd need to dig out a device for that :p Feb 05 23:25:58 how are you developing now? Feb 05 23:26:12 I'm not atm, was just looking at the code Feb 05 23:26:29 heh Feb 05 23:26:35 am running Windows atm as was doing some day job work Feb 05 23:26:43 @landman did you now how i have to rename a .item file for bootmenu ??? so can i choose a free word or have i use a special name like mer ? Feb 05 23:26:44 i cant do that normally, im not very far from a compiler at any time Feb 05 23:27:07 brdusr, why are you adding new bootmenu items Feb 05 23:27:48 i read this in the wiki how to ... installing Mer Feb 05 23:28:13 the step is here : Feb 05 23:28:23 """""" This is a special boot menu where boot menu items are made in /etc/bootmenu.d/*.item and refresh_bootmenu.d will flash this to initfs. If you are cloning or booting other OS'es, you'll need to make such .item files] """"""""" Feb 05 23:28:28 bacon_sandwich: and n800 has some broken code on it atm, will need to recompile and test tomorrow Feb 05 23:30:23 brdusr, shout Stskeeps or b-man or go into #mer and ask, you are the first who has mentioned stuff like that i believe Feb 05 23:30:33 tsk tsk lardman Feb 05 23:30:49 daaaamn, I've broken my pen Feb 05 23:30:53 hehe Feb 05 23:31:05 * wazd swears loud Feb 05 23:31:11 b-man, that doesnt sound right for normal install does it? Feb 05 23:31:18 wazd, which pen? one for your tablet/ Feb 05 23:31:20 ok Feb 05 23:31:21 :-) Feb 05 23:31:47 bacon_sandwich: yep( Feb 05 23:31:53 right, am off to bed Feb 05 23:31:59 bacon_sandwich: no :P Feb 05 23:32:00 thanks for the pointers bacon_sandwich Feb 05 23:32:15 I costs fricking 50 bucks((99\ Feb 05 23:32:18 and damn you for making me hungry at bedtime! Feb 05 23:32:18 balls, the one in my x41 exists for now, but the longer i let the kids play with it, the less likely it will stay.. Feb 05 23:32:51 "thanks for the pointers bacon_sandwich" - never thought I'd hear that one :) Feb 05 23:33:04 lol Feb 05 23:33:39 * b-man updates his avatar on ITT :) Feb 05 23:33:49 but I'm so brutal, that I'll continue to design with touchpad!) Feb 05 23:33:52 * bacon_sandwich smells delicious Feb 05 23:33:59 lol XD Feb 05 23:34:08 wazd, thats sadistic Feb 05 23:34:19 bacon_sandwich: well, not for me :) Feb 05 23:34:21 the nipple is evil Feb 05 23:34:30 bacon_sandwich: I have nothing to point left :) Feb 05 23:34:30 s/nipple/touchpad/ Feb 05 23:34:30 bacon_sandwich meant: the touchpad is evil Feb 05 23:34:55 infobot: eat bacon_sandwich Feb 05 23:34:56 * infobot eats bacon_sandwich and falls over dead Feb 05 23:35:01 lol Feb 05 23:35:03 :O Feb 05 23:35:18 XD Feb 05 23:35:20 * bacon_sandwich is poisonous Feb 05 23:35:39 * b-man falls dead laughing Feb 05 23:35:58 :D yayyy another victim Feb 05 23:36:35 XD Feb 05 23:36:36 * bacon_sandwich gets on with building his universe Feb 05 23:36:54 infobot: fry bacon_sandwich Feb 05 23:36:55 * infobot grabs bacon_sandwich and fries him on his BFCooker9000 Feb 05 23:36:55 possibel to change the background color from the first screen with the nokia logo into black ??? Feb 05 23:37:04 Ungh Feb 05 23:37:05 lol Feb 05 23:37:06 :O Feb 05 23:37:06 I want a BLT Feb 05 23:37:21 Tadaaaaaaaaa Feb 05 23:37:25 XDXDXD Feb 05 23:37:27 mmm - I like Qt a *lot*. Feb 05 23:37:29 xD Feb 05 23:37:35 bacon_sandwich, you've got me thinking of scarface :) Feb 05 23:37:36 QtShopper does finger scrolling Feb 05 23:37:44 and you can buy Cheese and Bacon Feb 05 23:37:59 nice Feb 05 23:38:08 infobot: are you ready? Feb 05 23:38:17 ~burn himself Feb 05 23:38:17 Worst part of a BLT is cooking the bacon. Feb 05 23:38:18 * infobot pours gasoline all over himself, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze Feb 05 23:38:22 >:D Feb 05 23:38:23 hehe Feb 05 23:38:26 Ă´O Feb 05 23:38:27 ~~ Feb 05 23:38:28 Every moment in which I'm called upon is torture. Feb 05 23:38:37 thats the best part, you get to lick the pan Feb 05 23:38:38 lol Feb 05 23:38:42 somehow when I switched in and saw bacon I knew I'd see lcuk soon Feb 05 23:38:50 ~immolate Feb 05 23:38:51 infobot: blow up Feb 05 23:38:52 heh Feb 05 23:38:52 * infobot blows up Feb 05 23:38:56 lol Feb 05 23:39:07 *ggg* Feb 05 23:39:09 poor infobot Feb 05 23:39:12 infobot, you suck Feb 05 23:39:13 and very well I might add Feb 05 23:39:20 lol Feb 05 23:39:23 xD Feb 05 23:39:27 omg) Feb 05 23:39:33 gay alert! xD Feb 05 23:39:40 lol XD Feb 05 23:39:48 infobot, suck cock Feb 05 23:39:49 * infobot sucks cock's cheek Feb 05 23:39:53 infbot is genderless Feb 05 23:39:55 lcuk, somebody needs to make a bacon cooker. Feb 05 23:39:57 lol Feb 05 23:39:59 Like a rice cooker, but for bacon. Feb 05 23:40:00 LOL Feb 05 23:40:06 lcuk, type ~shag Feb 05 23:40:07 LOL!!! Feb 05 23:40:17 you'll find out... Feb 05 23:40:19 GeneralAntilles, they have one, why else would man have invented the range? Feb 05 23:40:31 infobot: kill yourself Feb 05 23:40:32 * infobot shoots a ionized pseudoneutrino gun at yourself Feb 05 23:40:35 lol Feb 05 23:40:36 lcuk, but that's not set it and forget it. Feb 05 23:40:58 infobot, obey! Feb 05 23:40:59 x.X Feb 05 23:40:59 yes master Feb 05 23:41:00 ~~ Feb 05 23:41:01 Every moment in which I'm called upon is torture. Feb 05 23:41:05 infobot: kill himself Feb 05 23:41:06 * infobot shoots a excited fluxphoton gun at himself Feb 05 23:41:12 lol XD Feb 05 23:41:14 Ho ho http://www.amazon.com/Presto-05100-Microwave-Bacon-Cooker/dp/B00006IUWC Feb 05 23:41:18 infobot: surender or die! Feb 05 23:41:20 * GeneralAntilles has never cared for microwave bacon, though. Feb 05 23:41:26 lbt, you are aware at some point in the future i might fall upon qt :P Feb 05 23:41:32 GeneralAntilles, nor have i Feb 05 23:41:37 infobot, wanna roll up? Feb 05 23:42:06 not with you, hum xD Feb 05 23:42:11 I have a tendency to burn bacon on the stove, though. Feb 05 23:42:11 microwave bacon is the antichrist of breakfast meats Feb 05 23:42:18 infobot: nuke himself Feb 05 23:42:19 * infobot prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at himself ... B☢☢M! Feb 05 23:42:19 wazd, :p Feb 05 23:42:24 lol Feb 05 23:42:27 http://www.stovesonline.co.uk/stove/img/esse-ironheart-cooker-stove.jpg Feb 05 23:42:30 lcuk: Qt is like bacon Feb 05 23:42:30 I need to the point where I should turn it and remember trichinosis. Feb 05 23:42:34 that is the perfect bacon cooker :) Feb 05 23:42:49 lcuk, for a crazy person. :P Feb 05 23:42:50 lbt, i know, i just think its way overbloat for whats needed Feb 05 23:43:32 meh - it's fairly nippy in practice Feb 05 23:43:40 but thats the language abuse over the utility of the widgets Feb 05 23:43:46 and it depends what you use Feb 05 23:43:48 not saying its not Feb 05 23:44:14 nah - the only 'abuse' is some syntactic sugar around the signals AFAIK Feb 05 23:44:36 and having seen how it is done vs how libsig++ did it Feb 05 23:44:38 agreed, but its still lots more than im used to Feb 05 23:44:42 i hate myself for doing this in c Feb 05 23:44:48 :) i just prefer a simple language Feb 05 23:45:08 good day/evening! quick question: is it possible to format/partition and boot from the internal 2GB memory? even just 1GB would be a big difference from the 256MB one :) Feb 05 23:45:09 It took me about 20mins to add finger scrolling to my application Feb 05 23:45:10 ie - in visual basic its compact and functional whilst having all the events and stuff Feb 05 23:45:20 or is that only possible with the external memory card? Feb 05 23:45:36 Jucato, you can do it with the 2gb Feb 05 23:45:44 Jucato, anything you can do with an external card can be done with the internal Feb 05 23:45:51 oh cool :) Feb 05 23:45:53 lbt, but wouldnt it be beneficial to the tookkit as a whole for you as an app designer to not care about finger scrolling Feb 05 23:45:57 and that it should just occur Feb 05 23:46:06 Qt 4.5 has it natively Feb 05 23:46:10 AFAIK Feb 05 23:46:14 hmmm is that released Feb 05 23:46:29 Beta Feb 05 23:46:33 the RC just released today.. Feb 05 23:46:35 ahhh Feb 05 23:46:38 http://code.google.com/p/pictureflow/ Feb 05 23:46:49 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwE_UIHSWnY Feb 05 23:47:02 yeah, there will be other things, but to me lack of touchability for most of the screen kills it as a target personally Feb 05 23:47:25 that runs at about 2fps doesnt it Feb 05 23:47:31 lbt: http://www.qtsoftware.com/about/news/qt-4.5-release-candidate-available Feb 05 23:47:53 Jucato: hows the maemo integration going? Feb 05 23:48:05 no idea :) Feb 05 23:48:09 * Jucato is just new :) Feb 05 23:48:13 http://209.85.229.132/search?q=cache:6kdF8X9HRekJ:akademy.kde.org/conference/slides/maemo_qt.pdf+qt+finger+scrolling&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=10&client=iceweasel-a Feb 05 23:48:16 hm. gnuton isn't here... Feb 05 23:48:17 lbt, but it should be impressive if it can be linked with ogl-es Feb 05 23:48:32 that link was to GnuTon's paper Feb 05 23:48:52 lcuk: that youtube was without OpenGL Feb 05 23:49:01 on a desktop Feb 05 23:49:10 lcuk: will there ever be a chance that the n810 will also get ogl-es? :( Feb 05 23:49:11 chumby Feb 05 23:49:33 Jucato, ive spoken as much as i can and it looks extremely doubtful Feb 05 23:49:43 * Jucato subs Feb 05 23:49:44 sorry, this is chumby : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2yN0F7_YlI Feb 05 23:49:45 er.. sobs Feb 05 23:49:50 the closest we got is this Feb 05 23:49:50 https://wiki.maemo.org/Drivers_justification Feb 05 23:49:52 * Jucato looks at his keyboard... Feb 05 23:50:03 chumby is ~ N800 AFAIK Feb 05 23:50:10 which in the discussion page has an admission from nokia that they have a driver, but nothing more has come of it Feb 05 23:50:25 how do i release IP with ifconfig? Feb 05 23:50:44 "we have the driver and we're holding it hostage! bwaahahahahah *cough* *cough* *choke*" Feb 05 23:50:52 With the RX-51 coming out, it'd be a fuckin' miracle if Nokia do come through on justifying... Feb 05 23:51:35 well, I know at least one app that will totaly blow your mind on RX-51 :) Feb 05 23:52:02 RX-51? Feb 05 23:52:34 Hope Nokia will really help in implementing some clutteresque stuff Feb 05 23:52:35 arg ... 91% and the download stops Feb 05 23:52:50 Jucato: that's future tablet's codename Feb 05 23:52:56 ah, I guessed so :) Feb 05 23:52:58 lbt, the chumby is cool, but its got a sane on-cpu video driver, and runs at 320*240 Feb 05 23:53:09 and is limited to 12fps (which isnt a problem) Feb 05 23:53:10 As soon as the first N800 shipped without GLES drivers there was never a chance Feb 05 23:53:25 they're probably holding out on the ogl-es drivers for the n810 to really market the RX-51 :( Feb 05 23:53:43 nahhh jucato Feb 05 23:53:46 * lbt rubs his eyes sleepily Feb 05 23:53:55 Jucato, no, not in the least. Feb 05 23:53:56 Jucato, nope. far more boring than that: They'd have to pay money to ship bad drivers in a questionable legal status Feb 05 23:54:12 qwerty12_N800, forget the RX-51. It's not relevant. :) Feb 05 23:54:16 omg Feb 05 23:54:16 the 8x0 uses an alternative lcd driver and its a bit of a brainfunk (historical evolution from the 770 to handle 800*480) Feb 05 23:54:19 no conspiracy, just a typical SNAFU Feb 05 23:54:27 Chumby "box" is absolutely brilliant :) Feb 05 23:54:28 * Jucato would still be hoping, lighting candles, and spilling goat's blood Feb 05 23:54:49 can you make bacon from goats? Feb 05 23:55:01 nope. but I hear they make good jerky :) Feb 05 23:55:10 someone? please help? i can't get the n800 to release wlan0's IP so it uses the one i've statically assigned on the router Feb 05 23:55:22 * lbt sleepwalks off to bed stroking his nut Feb 05 23:55:33 ew Feb 05 23:55:35 gnite lbt Feb 05 23:55:43 see y'all tomorrow Feb 05 23:55:51 bye lbt Feb 05 23:56:00 gnight lbt Feb 05 23:56:15 * Jucato will try to partition his 2GB internal card later... Feb 05 23:57:25 if the install-routine for Mer stops the download in the terminal, try the proceed to connect again? Feb 05 23:57:42 after a while ? Feb 05 23:57:55 qwerty12_N800: no, the timidity guy has a whole two different hidden letters in his surname Feb 05 23:58:06 er, letters hidden Feb 05 23:58:20 sp3000, ah :) Feb 05 23:59:49 wow, chumbe is kinda pretty nice concept Feb 05 23:59:55 chumby* Feb 06 00:00:22 Thats what n8*0 should be at home :) Feb 06 00:01:03 there's a chumby-player or something I've seen for the n8x0 Feb 06 00:01:09 on itt Feb 06 00:02:09 wazd the display on the chumby is also 800x480? Feb 06 00:02:35 320x240 Feb 06 00:02:41 brdusr: It's 320x240 Feb 06 00:02:45 aw( Feb 06 00:02:53 Why Japan is so fast :) Feb 06 00:02:54 ok :-) Feb 06 00:03:06 wazd, I'm in the future :) Feb 06 00:03:12 it's already 9AM here O_o Feb 06 00:03:29 johnx: cool :) Feb 06 00:03:35 actually, time to get moving. 'later all :) Feb 06 00:03:45 johnx: saionara xD Feb 06 00:04:11 bye johnx have a nice day Feb 06 00:04:54 sayonara Feb 06 00:06:26 sometimes my tablet hanging and i have to restart ... with diablo is it normal? Feb 06 00:09:37 depends on usage and apps - i only ever have to when i cocked my code up Feb 06 00:12:32 most of it comes when loading applets like omweather and load applet Feb 06 00:12:34 * Jucato has had that with reliably with one app.. "ksnip" iirc Feb 06 00:13:04 or something.. forgot which.. but it's a picture taking app based on illumination (or was it illuminati) Feb 06 00:13:42 Oo Feb 06 00:13:44 ~~ Feb 06 00:13:45 Every moment in which I'm called upon is torture. Feb 06 00:14:18 infobot ? Feb 06 00:14:46 ~shag Feb 06 00:14:47 * infobot strips and bends over.. give it to me baby ;) Feb 06 00:14:56 LOL Feb 06 00:15:07 yuck!!! XP Feb 06 00:15:21 O.o Feb 06 00:15:53 ~$50 Feb 06 00:15:54 * infobot takes the cash and sucks generalantilles off Feb 06 00:15:57 b-man you are a it-hero :-D Feb 06 00:16:01 Sick bot. ;) Feb 06 00:16:07 lol Feb 06 00:16:12 Bad infobot! Feb 06 00:16:39 ~hump Feb 06 00:16:40 * infobot humps the channel Feb 06 00:16:46 lol Feb 06 00:17:13 infobot, wipe me down Feb 06 00:17:13 # dd if=/dev/zero of=me down Feb 06 00:17:32 Hmm, not the wipe I was hoping for :) Feb 06 00:17:35 0_o ??? Feb 06 00:17:48 infobot: strip Feb 06 00:17:48 Secure password and account manager for Palm Pilots.. URL: http://www.zetetic.net/products.html#strip Feb 06 00:18:19 ... Feb 06 00:18:31 infobot: relax Feb 06 00:18:49 give qwerty12_N800 blowjob Feb 06 00:18:54 ~give qwerty12_N800 blowjob Feb 06 00:18:55 * infobot gives blowjob to qwerty12_N800 Feb 06 00:19:00 even :/ Feb 06 00:19:07 infobot: kill GeneralAntilles Feb 06 00:19:08 * infobot shoots a excited anti-photon gun at GeneralAntilles Feb 06 00:19:10 omfg) Feb 06 00:19:29 infobot: attack GeneralAntilles Feb 06 00:19:30 * infobot grabs a pen, screams like she's possessed, and begins chasing GeneralAntilles Feb 06 00:19:35 lol Feb 06 00:19:49 Ok, it's 12:19AM here, I shouldn't be feeling so fucked up :) Feb 06 00:19:51 infobot's a she, now. Feb 06 00:19:56 O.o Feb 06 00:19:56 MER dosnt start -.- i let it be ... anyone sells a gameboy? Feb 06 00:20:05 hehe Feb 06 00:20:10 3:19 here) Feb 06 00:20:39 7:18 here :) Feb 06 00:20:40 19:20 here :P Feb 06 00:20:41 pm Feb 06 00:21:09 Lets all CTCP TIME each other! Feb 06 00:22:00 21:27 in CTCP here ;( Feb 06 00:22:10 ;) Feb 06 00:22:25 or at the boot sequence, have i push a special button to start another OS ??? Feb 06 00:27:28 brdusr: what are you trying to do? Feb 06 00:27:40 is mer like the community version of maemo? Feb 06 00:27:58 try to install mer Feb 06 00:28:02 ~mer Feb 06 00:28:03 extra, extra, read all about it, mer is http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer Feb 06 00:28:07 sisto, basically. Feb 06 00:28:13 nvm Feb 06 00:28:15 i read it Feb 06 00:28:22 it's based on jaunty Feb 06 00:28:22 thx Feb 06 00:29:34 to whoever tried it: what is better on mer than on maemo? Feb 06 00:30:03 build environment Feb 06 00:30:23 ok i will try it again tomorrow ... now i have to sleep Feb 06 00:30:28 default wallpaper Feb 06 00:30:58 bye all Feb 06 00:31:02 see you soon Feb 06 00:32:09 my new battery came in Feb 06 00:38:15 * b-man starts to listen to "all amarican rejects gives you hell" on his tablet Feb 06 01:13:09 Hi, I am trying to run a web application in full screen mode to hide the browser... Feb 06 01:13:22 but every time I load a new page, it temporarily shows an address bar together with scrollbars. Feb 06 01:13:28 Does anyone know how to disable it? Feb 06 01:13:44 On Nokia N810 Feb 06 01:14:31 I don't think you can. Feb 06 01:15:00 But maybe make a page with a frane, and load the different pages inside that. Feb 06 01:15:34 I don't know if that would suit your application, or even if it would avoid the titlebar... Feb 06 01:16:56 A lot of people want to use these things in "kiosk" mode Feb 06 01:17:02 Makes me think somebody should support it. :P Feb 06 01:18:32 Speaking of kisosk modes... I pulled a cool xcsreensaver trick. Feb 06 01:19:08 I make xscreensaver run in runlevel 5, i.e., charging the battery while "powered off". Feb 06 01:20:05 Not helpful (and slows down the charge), but cool looking. Feb 06 01:22:26 It made me think about rigging, e.g., Canola to run, for use in a car dock; you apply power, it comes up, remove power, shut' Feb 06 01:22:32 s down. Feb 06 01:23:04 o_O Feb 06 01:27:16 I want Maemo + Beagle for car usage Feb 06 01:27:45 hi there Feb 06 01:28:01 qwerty12_N800: it seems busybox does not have ipv6 support by default Feb 06 01:28:27 does anyone here know where can i find a suitable busybox with IPv6 support for diablo? Feb 06 01:28:51 tried http://ipv6.willab.fi/apt/dists/diablo/user/binary-armel/busybox-ipv6/ Feb 06 01:29:01 but it's not accepted by packet managet Feb 06 01:29:02 manager Feb 06 01:35:53 Regarding kiosk mode. Is it much work to embed browser rendering engine in the desktop application? Feb 06 01:41:11 nvm, manual install worked out Feb 06 01:41:19 but in red-pill mode it didn't .. hmm Feb 06 01:42:41 Has anyone else been having terrific problems with their n810's screen being badly inaccurate? Feb 06 01:43:21 I called Nokia, and they're supposed people are effing useless. Feb 06 01:43:28 support people, rather. Feb 06 01:43:36 Anyway, I was wondering if you guys could lend a hand; Feb 06 01:43:58 When I tap the screen on the Nokia, it'll actually register the tap as much as 20 pixels away Feb 06 01:45:45 even after recalibrating the touchscreen? Feb 06 01:45:46 Calibrate it? Feb 06 01:46:06 Yes Feb 06 01:46:11 Even after recalibrating it Feb 06 01:46:31 I only just got this thing 3 hours ago Feb 06 01:46:45 Bad all over, or just in regions? Feb 06 01:46:48 * Jucato hasn't had that...got this 2 weeks ago Feb 06 01:47:10 My N800 gradually developed nonlinearity over _months_. Feb 06 01:47:20 This is horrible Feb 06 01:47:27 I can't even use the scrollbars on the right Feb 06 01:47:27 So now it's wrong in places no matter how I calibrate. Feb 06 01:47:28 It's so bad Feb 06 01:47:32 Yeah Feb 06 01:47:41 Mine's like that now. I wonder if they actually sent me a refurbished one Feb 06 01:47:47 But not to start with, and still not that bad. Feb 06 01:47:54 Well, it doesn't matter. I suppose I'll just return the damn thing. Feb 06 01:48:24 allright!! mipv6 up and running yeahhh Feb 06 01:48:34 If Nokia's support didn't lie to my face repeatedly... Feb 06 01:49:08 sandman, get it repaired under warranty? Feb 06 01:49:36 no way, if its faulty from the start get it replaced Feb 06 01:49:44 no point in having a lemon from the start Feb 06 01:50:02 generalantilles: I _just_ got the thing Feb 06 01:50:11 Oh Feb 06 01:50:13 Well, RMA it. Feb 06 01:50:23 you go for repairs after months of use when its unreasonable to assume it had the fault in the box Feb 06 01:50:25 sandman, who'd you get it from? Feb 06 01:50:25 Buy? Feb 06 01:50:26 I've been reading at the forums that this is a rather repeated problem Feb 06 01:50:31 generalantilles: Wal-Mart Feb 06 01:50:34 lol Feb 06 01:50:40 For $240 Feb 06 01:50:43 Return it and get it from buy.com next time it goes on sale. Feb 06 01:50:44 $220 Feb 06 01:50:57 sandman, all touchscreens are susecptable to damage, go look on nintendo ds lites - they have more because the kids bash them Feb 06 01:51:20 yay for $450 N810's :( Feb 06 01:51:23 I think maybe I'll just return it and not get another one. I should have known better. I bought the n800 back when it first came out then, too Feb 06 01:51:24 we have seneral n810's and havent seen a calibration issue Feb 06 01:51:25 lol Feb 06 01:51:29 And its camera was broken thoroughly Feb 06 01:51:40 So I had to return that, too. Feb 06 01:51:46 ljp: senile n810's? Feb 06 01:52:00 heh I mean several :) Feb 06 01:52:04 oh Feb 06 01:52:13 :) Feb 06 01:52:19 the one I have migh tbe considered senile as it was one of the first out Feb 06 01:52:49 sandman: did you buy the n800 from walmart as well? Feb 06 01:53:30 Jucato: Actually, yes. Feb 06 01:53:39 sandman, there's a hint right there. ;) Feb 06 01:53:49 Lesson: Don't by from Walmart? Feb 06 01:54:23 What difference does it make? Feb 06 01:54:27 It's all coming from Nokia Feb 06 01:55:02 Maybe other retailers don't kick their merchandise as hard as Walmart? Feb 06 01:55:20 or throw them around while passing them in the stock room? Feb 06 01:55:39 It seems it'll work, but Feb 06 01:55:43 I really have to press on the screen Feb 06 01:55:45 Sorta hard Feb 06 01:56:00 Nope, nevermind Feb 06 01:56:02 Still broken. Feb 06 01:56:59 Also, the bitch on the phone @ Nokia told me that my n810's MAC address is not a unique identifier of my device Feb 06 01:57:15 the virtual memory is taken from the internal 2GB memory right? Feb 06 01:57:25 If you tell it to Feb 06 01:58:03 people should i drop openssh in favour of dropbear? Feb 06 01:58:13 hm.. ok it does... wonder if there's some extra precautions I need to take if I reformat the internal card for booting... Feb 06 01:58:24 sandman, what do you expect from first-level support? ;) Feb 06 01:58:39 It was tier-2 Feb 06 01:58:50 Hehe, still. ;) Feb 06 01:59:41 It's a shame. This device is so good in theory Feb 06 01:59:57 sandman, don't buy from WalMart Feb 06 02:00:10 Meh. If Wal-Mart is that bad, Nokia should have fixed it. Feb 06 02:00:14 Most people who buy have no complaints. :) Feb 06 02:00:17 Plus, Nokia's support people are clearly trash Feb 06 02:00:30 Yeah, well. If it can't stand being tossed around a little bit in shipping Feb 06 02:00:39 Then it's not going to survive very long in my pocket Feb 06 02:00:44 Besides, it doesn't matter Feb 06 02:00:46 I'm just one customer Feb 06 02:00:55 I've beat my N800 to hell, it works fine. Feb 06 02:01:27 Is there no solution for this screen calibration problem? Nobody knows anything about it? Feb 06 02:01:49 If it's a hardware issue, there isn't much to be done about it. Feb 06 02:02:14 Exchange it at WalMart, return it and buy somewhere else, or return it and move on. Feb 06 02:02:28 Well, according to the forums, the problems are consistent, just say off. The idea is that it is, in fact, a problem with the calibrator. Feb 06 02:02:52 I think I'll just go back to pen and paper, honestly. I think I'll wait until a company sells the gear necessary to fabricate IC's Feb 06 02:03:00 And such, rather than the IC's themselves Feb 06 02:03:10 That way if something is broken, I can just make another one. Feb 06 02:03:20 But that probably will never happen. Feb 06 02:03:28 forgot to close keyboard was cat talking to you guys? Feb 06 02:03:34 lol . . . Feb 06 02:03:39 AndrewFBlack, not tonight. Feb 06 02:04:06 lol ok I'm going to shut laptop so she wont, I didn't know she had been doing it Feb 06 02:10:05 You know Feb 06 02:10:09 It's really as if teh mouse acceleration is off Feb 06 02:10:11 in the n810 Feb 06 02:10:50 Definately is, that's what's going on. Feb 06 02:11:05 I have a feeling that my device was somehow used before. Is there a way to reset it? Feb 06 02:14:03 is there a quick summary of what's the min. requirements to run Mer at the moment? Feb 06 02:16:16 ds3, Feb 06 02:16:17 ~mer Feb 06 02:16:18 extra, extra, read all about it, mer is http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer Feb 06 02:16:20 sandman, Feb 06 02:16:22 ~flashing Feb 06 02:16:23 methinks flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Feb 06 02:18:22 indeed, flash with the latest update Feb 06 02:22:26 How do I know if I have the latest OS software? Feb 06 02:22:35 And also, is it possible to change the MAC address on my n810? Feb 06 02:23:15 1. version: control panel. top entry. 2. afaik MAC's are hardware based? Feb 06 02:23:27 Well, the MAC is the MAC Feb 06 02:23:32 benson: what's wrong with walmart? Feb 06 02:23:33 you can change it in software Feb 06 02:23:44 The lady @ Nokia told me that she must have my MAC address Feb 06 02:23:57 sandman, it's on the sticker inside the back cover Feb 06 02:24:02 I know already Feb 06 02:24:03 under the battery Feb 06 02:24:04 I gave it to her Feb 06 02:24:09 But I'm confused as to why she would need that Feb 06 02:24:22 sandman, because it's the number they use as a serial number Feb 06 02:24:26 oh i read up top Feb 06 02:24:26 for verification. it's also required in downloading the latest OS Feb 06 02:25:00 I hate it when I do that (reply to a sentence half an hour ago :P) Feb 06 02:25:00 How do I determine if I'm running the latest OS? Feb 06 02:25:11 [10:22] 1. version: control panel. top entry. Feb 06 02:25:25 about product Feb 06 02:25:44 Yes, I knew that already Feb 06 02:25:53 Jucato: wow! how did you know he was going to ask this? Feb 06 02:26:26 Version 5.2008.43-7 Feb 06 02:26:37 sisto: the question about latest OS? he already asked a while ago :) Feb 06 02:27:02 5.2008.43-7 is the latest possible? Feb 06 02:27:34 that's what I've been told Feb 06 02:27:47 oh. if RX-51 is the codename for the next tablet.. RX-44 is N810? Feb 06 02:28:11 I was trying to find your message much earlier: It looks like this here: 00:23 | Jucato> 1. version: control panel. top entry. 2. afaik MAC's are hardware based? Feb 06 02:28:21 I thought you had posted that 2 hours ago Feb 06 02:28:31 hehe :) Feb 06 02:28:39 Jucato, RX-34 is N800 and RX-48 is N810W Feb 06 02:28:50 ah I don't have the W Feb 06 02:29:19 which would probably explain the RX-44 at the top right corner of the LCARS Modern theme :) Feb 06 02:29:27 * Jucato was wondering about that... Feb 06 02:35:59 thanks Feb 06 02:38:06 I am looking for different info then what's on that page.... trying to see how hard it is to get Mer running on another board Feb 06 02:40:34 ds3: what hardware? Feb 06 02:41:22 I hear it's pretty straightforward if there's already a booting kernel and X... Feb 06 02:41:54 benson: Beagle board + other stuff Feb 06 02:42:07 Runs on Beagle already. Feb 06 02:42:12 but what's it want in terms of min. resolution Feb 06 02:42:20 BB with DVI screen or ? Feb 06 02:43:03 Well, 800x480 is standard, but it should do as low as 480x480 for sure, and probably less, without major changes. Feb 06 02:43:47 Not sure, I assume DVI monitor, but haven't been tracking. Feb 06 02:44:04 don't plan to use a DVI monitor Feb 06 02:44:15 oh 480x480...okay, that rules out Mer Feb 06 02:44:41 What resolution do you plan? Feb 06 02:45:19 Mer's issue is that the hildon-desktop layouts don't really scale well below 640x480 Feb 06 02:45:29 If you put together a layout for that size it'll work fine. Feb 06 02:45:34 (480x480 comes from working in 800x480 and 480x800; less would just require a different layout.) Feb 06 02:45:37 Or swap out some other appropriate DE. Feb 06 02:45:38 let me check the LCD Feb 06 02:45:42 Like he said. Feb 06 02:46:04 480x272 Feb 06 02:46:27 trying to find a min. work userland... the other alternative is Android :/ Feb 06 02:46:49 how hard is it to change layout? XML edit or? Feb 06 02:47:43 I haven't tried it, but it should be about that. Feb 06 02:47:57 hmmm Feb 06 02:48:00 I bet you could enlist some help in it. Feb 06 02:48:11 johnx is looking into making it more 640x480 appropriate for Zaurus, anyway. Feb 06 02:48:41 plan is to make a case around the BB with a LCD, battery, and a touch screen...maybe even a Bluetooth interface Feb 06 02:50:24 Hehe Feb 06 02:50:30 Why not just buy a Pandora? ;) Feb 06 02:50:51 pandora with case is shipping TOADY? Feb 06 02:51:57 hm.. openpandora... Feb 06 02:53:57 ds3, well, maybe in about 8 months. :P Feb 06 02:55:16 I plan to be done by end of march Feb 06 02:55:27 ~smb Feb 06 02:55:28 smb is probably Server Message Block or how Microsoft pulls off its networking sharing magic, or see CIFS Feb 06 02:55:36 ~samba Feb 06 02:55:37 Try http://www.rohirrim.org/ipaq/ Feb 06 02:56:30 can I assume networking in Mer works? Feb 06 02:56:38 Yes Feb 06 02:57:20 sounds easier to deal with then Android then Feb 06 02:58:29 that's crashing the maemo server... "smbfs" Feb 06 02:58:34 ~mount Feb 06 02:58:35 mount is a command used to mount a device to the local filesystem Feb 06 02:58:40 ~smbfs Feb 06 02:58:40 it has been said that smbfs is the server message block file system. if you get errors like "smbfs: need mount version 6", you need to install smbfsx and purge smbfs. Feb 06 02:58:56 genewitch, infobot is shared among several channels. Feb 06 02:59:07 i know Feb 06 02:59:20 Many of these factoids are not Maemo-specific. ;) Feb 06 02:59:22 i can't search maemo.org for it right now **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Feb 06 02:59:57 2009