**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Feb 07 02:59:58 2009
Feb 07 03:06:09 <user123> what is it gonna take for ogg to be supported by nit's??
Feb 07 03:07:31 <user123> even after loading the ogg.support package, my radio stream does not play  :(
Feb 07 03:08:40 <user123> wscafm.org
Feb 07 03:09:49 <user123> how many votes does the ogg bug take before it is taken seriously??
Feb 07 03:10:15 <GeneralAntilles> What's wrong with 3rd-party support?
Feb 07 03:10:30 <sandman> user123: You could always code it yourself, you know.
Feb 07 03:10:36 <sandman> Heaven forbid.
Feb 07 03:10:44 <GeneralAntilles> ogg support has already been put together.
Feb 07 03:11:58 <user123> tell me what has tto be done for that station to work, svp
Feb 07 03:19:13 <user123> ogg support would be such an easy way to appease the foss crowd  ...   why not?
Feb 07 03:21:01 <GeneralAntilles> user123, as usual, blame lawyers.
Feb 07 03:21:20 <user123> bah!
Feb 07 03:21:46 <user123> that is such fud, GeneralAntilles
Feb 07 03:21:49 <benson> user123: mplayer http://74.220.236.214:7000/wsca.ogg
Feb 07 03:21:56 <GeneralAntilles> user123, no, that's truth.
Feb 07 03:22:00 <GeneralAntilles> It's the lawyer's fault.
Feb 07 03:22:00 <benson> works fine here.
Feb 07 03:22:08 <GeneralAntilles> If it were up to anybody but the lawyers, we'd have ogg support.
Feb 07 03:22:12 <GeneralAntilles> But it's not, so we don't.
Feb 07 03:22:22 <user123> mplayer?   i'll try and load it
Feb 07 03:22:43 <GeneralAntilles> 3rd-party support works fine, anyway.
Feb 07 03:22:48 <GeneralAntilles> So it's not worth getting worked up over.
Feb 07 03:24:17 <user123> ogg is /the/ reason i bought the nit...   :(
Feb 07 03:25:12 <user123> i just bought a sansa clip because the nit was so faulty there
Feb 07 03:25:55 <GeneralAntilles> ogg player is a strange reason to buy a $400 pocket-laptop.
Feb 07 03:26:31 <user123> $250 at newegg.. and i bought two!
Feb 07 03:26:54 <user123> sorry, tigerdirect
Feb 07 03:26:59 <benson> To listen to an ogg stream with each ear?
Feb 07 03:27:28 <benson> Anyway, I guess it's good that ogg works just fine, then.
Feb 07 03:27:32 <user123> one for my housemate...
Feb 07 03:27:47 <benson> mplayer, and anything that uses mplayer as a backend, handles that stream.
Feb 07 03:28:09 <user123> kmplayer?
Feb 07 03:28:58 <benson> Should work, I think.
Feb 07 03:29:02 <benson> Never used it.
Feb 07 03:29:11 <user123> rgr
Feb 07 03:30:56 <user123> stream still opens in regular player, not kmplayer..
Feb 07 03:31:20 <benson> So open it in kmplayer instead?
Feb 07 03:31:31 <user123> so irritating, this should just work!
Feb 07 03:31:40 <benson> It does.
Feb 07 03:31:55 <benson> Just type mplayer  http://74.220.236.214:7000/wsca.ogg
Feb 07 03:32:04 <user123> how to open stream in kmplayer?
Feb 07 03:32:06 <user123> oh
Feb 07 03:32:15 <benson> IDK, I've never used kmplayer.
Feb 07 03:32:35 <benson> But open it up, and it should have some "open URL" or some such.
Feb 07 03:32:56 <user123> have to type a url?  damn...
Feb 07 03:33:07 <user123> no multiwindow
Feb 07 03:33:13 <benson> copy/paste works, this is not an iphone. ;)
Feb 07 03:33:32 <user123> no copy in xchat
Feb 07 03:34:20 <benson> Hmmm.. then xchat is evil. Try bliond keyboard shortcut?
Feb 07 03:34:29 <benson> s/ion/in/
Feb 07 03:34:29 <infobot> benson meant: Hmmm.. then xchat is evil. Try blind keyboard shortcut?
Feb 07 03:35:13 <benson> Or copy it from the station's website.
Feb 07 03:35:23 <user123> rgr
Feb 07 03:37:30 <user123> did not work .. error
Feb 07 03:38:31 <benson> user123: what error?
Feb 07 03:38:50 <user123> this should just work  ...   it is a free codec
Feb 07 03:39:04 <user123> long error..
Feb 07 03:39:35 <user123> name media server not found
Feb 07 03:39:47 <user123> or similar
Feb 07 03:40:11 <benson> If I had to guess, I'd say a typo in the URL.
Feb 07 03:40:33 <benson> Definitely doesn't sound like a codec issue.
Feb 07 03:40:45 <user123> i copied from the web link..
Feb 07 03:41:03 <GeneralAntilles> There's copy in XChat
Feb 07 03:41:05 <GeneralAntilles> on the VKB
Feb 07 03:41:17 <user123> vkb?
Feb 07 03:41:29 <user123> oh nm
Feb 07 03:41:46 <benson> just checked, and I don't even _have_ ogg-support (or whatever) installed.
Feb 07 03:41:50 <benson> mplayer'
Feb 07 03:42:06 <benson> s all you need, as expected for a free codec. :)
Feb 07 03:42:28 <user123> no mplayer in default repo
Feb 07 03:42:41 <GeneralAntilles> ~extras
Feb 07 03:42:42 <infobot> [extras] http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras
Feb 07 03:43:14 <benson> Then the url there is probably wrong; try going another layer in.
Feb 07 03:43:24 <user123> sorry, this is too frustrating
Feb 07 03:43:32 <benson> IIRC I saw a link to an m3u, which had the name of the stream.
Feb 07 03:44:26 <user123> thanks for your attention, but i am disappointed with this crap
Feb 07 03:44:52 <GeneralAntilles> lol
Feb 07 03:44:57 <GeneralAntilles> Some people are just easily daunted.
Feb 07 03:45:38 <benson> Why is everything working the same blinking way I do it on my desktop somehow _not_ "just working"???
Feb 07 03:45:50 <GeneralAntilles> Hehe
Feb 07 03:45:54 <GeneralAntilles> Some people. . . .
Feb 07 03:46:10 <derf> benson: Are you crazy? mplayer's support for Xiph codecs is pretty awful.
Feb 07 03:46:39 <benson> It works for me.
Feb 07 03:46:49 <derf> Vorbis is the only one that mostly works.
Feb 07 03:47:12 <benson> I don't mess with much media of any description, but when I do, mplayer seems fine...
Feb 07 03:47:25 <derf> Try seeking in a Theora file sometime.
Feb 07 03:47:47 * benson wonders if he's ever _seen_ a theora clip.
Feb 07 03:48:25 <benson> I know the codec's out there, but have made no effort to find some and try it.
Feb 07 03:49:30 <benson> At any rate, since a vorbis stream was the only thing at issue here, not sure how I'd be "crazy" for thinking it was "just working" in this context. :p
Feb 07 03:49:55 <derf> It was more the "as expected for a free codec" part.
Feb 07 03:50:51 <derf> mplayer developers hate Ogg, do not get along with Xiph developers, and don't take our patches.
Feb 07 03:50:51 <benson> Ah, ok. Again, a response to his allegation that "ogg is a free codec, it should just work", when in fact it was just working (for me).
Feb 07 03:51:29 * benson detects blood-feud
Feb 07 03:51:33 * benson hides
Feb 07 03:52:23 <benson> Is there some alternative that plays everything mplayer does, and does Xiph codecs better?
Feb 07 03:52:39 <benson> If so, I don't mind trying it; I've no dog in this fight.
Feb 07 03:52:49 <derf> Well, vlc at least accepts patches.
Feb 07 03:53:19 <derf> And they also play pretty much everything.
Feb 07 03:53:21 * benson remembers VLC being the abomination of slowness on his windows machine.
Feb 07 03:53:32 <derf> Well, you know. Windows.
Feb 07 03:53:38 <benson> But it may not be as bad on Linux, obviously.
Feb 07 03:54:01 <benson> Mplayer does do much better on Windows, in my experience.
Feb 07 03:54:12 <benson> It does better than WMP, as well.
Feb 07 03:54:55 <benson> Still, performance in ports doesn't mean much to me, so maybe I'll give VLC a shot sometime.
Feb 07 03:56:42 <benson> YAY! 256 color screen and rxvt now functional!
Feb 07 03:57:09 <benson> Now I just need a nick-coloring irssi script.
Feb 07 05:29:00 <Shadow__X> interesting thing i found
Feb 07 05:29:26 <Shadow__X> if you use tversity you can view videos on the nx0 series
Feb 07 05:29:30 <Shadow__X> perfectly
Feb 07 05:29:50 <Shadow__X> although tversity is a windows app it has a preference for them
Feb 07 05:29:59 <Shadow__X> it should behave like mdeatomb
Feb 07 05:34:48 * pupnik uploads pizza
Feb 07 05:36:16 * Shadow__X tries to download pizza getting rst's
Feb 07 05:37:51 * b-man is shocked by how good the sw flash effects are on http://www.wipeoutpure.com/
Feb 07 05:42:16 <Addison> Greeting all!  :)
Feb 07 05:42:59 <johnx> morning "_
Feb 07 05:43:12 <Addison> Hey, super quick.  How can I search my tablet for any files that contain the word "UTF" somewhere in it, including all root areas?
Feb 07 05:43:41 <Addison> Just need the command to type here peoples.  :)
Feb 07 05:43:42 <johnx> from the command line: find / -name "*UTF*"
Feb 07 05:43:52 <Addison> Excellent!  Thank you John!
Feb 07 05:44:21 <air> there is also a "search" item on the menu
Feb 07 05:44:43 <johnx> you'll get lots of errors as it strays into /proc though, so you might want to: find / -name "*UTF*" > /home/user/MyDocs/search.txt
Feb 07 05:44:46 <johnx> for later perusal
Feb 07 05:45:05 <air> same with /dev
Feb 07 05:45:23 <johnx> air, will search from the menu look in / ?
Feb 07 05:45:31 <Addison> What's the deal with getting an error called "Too many open files"?
Feb 07 05:45:42 <Addison> I'm not running anything besides Xterm at the moment.
Feb 07 05:46:20 <Addison> Oh nuts.  You were right on top of that John!
Feb 07 05:46:32 <benson> That means it went into proc and tried opening all the files iot had open, and then opening all of _them_, and so on, till it maxed out the number of open files permitted.
Feb 07 05:46:38 <air> john: never used it but it looks like it will search all files in /
Feb 07 05:46:43 <benson> s/iot/it
Feb 07 05:47:37 <johnx> Addison, I think it will find what you want anyways, even though it complains
Feb 07 05:48:23 <pupnik> good use of sound b-man
Feb 07 05:48:31 <pupnik> hey Addison -- missed you last time
Feb 07 05:49:00 <Addison> Hey pupnik!  What's up you stupid twat waffle?!!! Good to see you again!  :)
Feb 07 05:49:28 <pupnik> nice.  never been called twat waffle
Feb 07 05:49:38 <pupnik> been studying "Yes, Minister"
Feb 07 05:49:39 <Addison> Well, you deserve it.
Feb 07 05:50:22 <Addison> I think the girl said "mini....something else" but you were selectively listening.  *lol*
Feb 07 05:50:42 <Addison> Hey, be right back in two minutes.
Feb 07 05:50:56 <GeneralAntilles> Who's upgraded to the new Canola release?
Feb 07 05:52:13 <benson> GeneralAntilles: I did, but I don't use it.
Feb 07 05:52:24 <GeneralAntilles> Much faster.
Feb 07 05:52:39 * benson just installed it to get dependencies for some other broken package.
Feb 07 05:53:02 <air> can packages be masked so new versions dont show up in application manager?
Feb 07 05:54:03 <GeneralAntilles> air, not with the Application Manager.
Feb 07 05:54:10 <air> i dont want to upgrade carman to 0.7 and cant use update-all with it in the list
Feb 07 05:54:28 <GeneralAntilles> Why don't you want to upgrade?
Feb 07 05:54:47 <air> it doesnt have the scan tool feature that 0.6 has
Feb 07 05:55:12 <Addison> Hey pupnik, last night I finally cracked the whole IBM graphics trouble using Telnet which I posted here...
Feb 07 05:55:13 <Addison> http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=26637
Feb 07 05:55:18 <Addison> You interested?
Feb 07 05:55:27 <GeneralAntilles> air, I'm filling an enhancement. . . .
Feb 07 05:55:34 * GeneralAntilles still isn't used to the new Bugzilla layout.
Feb 07 05:55:45 <Addison> You're probably the only one still archiac like me who might appreciate it.
Feb 07 05:59:32 <pupnik> Addison: thanks - reading
Feb 07 06:00:32 <pupnik> that keyboard layout is sweet
Feb 07 06:01:37 <Addison> Yeah, with that font I get a perfect 80x25 layout.  The keyboard takes up the bottom so basically I'm left with an 80x24 which most telnet sites prefer.
Feb 07 06:01:41 * b-man sleeps, g'night all
Feb 07 06:01:49 <Addison> See ya b-man.
Feb 07 06:01:56 <benson> night
Feb 07 06:02:27 <Addison> Hey benson!  Never seen you around before.  You've posted a few times after me and always wanted to say hi to ya.
Feb 07 06:02:39 <pupnik> no time - brain is elsewhere Addison - cheers
Feb 07 06:02:57 <Addison> Okay.  Have fun with you and your brain.
Feb 07 06:03:02 <benson> Hiya! :)
Feb 07 06:03:22 <Addison> I might have time next weekend to chat again pupnik.
Feb 07 06:03:36 <GeneralAntilles> I can now no longer file bugs on Diablo. . . .
Feb 07 06:03:37 <Addison> So benson, are you old school like me and ArnimS?
Feb 07 06:04:11 <benson> Old school how?
Feb 07 06:04:12 <air> general: why not?
Feb 07 06:04:23 <benson> No BBS/telnet gaming, etc.
Feb 07 06:04:36 <benson> But I like Doom II
Feb 07 06:04:43 <GeneralAntilles> air, installed timeless's improved en_US strings, so most of my strings will no longer match Nokia's. ;)
Feb 07 06:04:45 <johnx> GeneralAntilles, well, at least that's consistently mirroring the policy on fixing bugs for Diablo :)
Feb 07 06:04:46 <Addison> You don't telnet?  I thought you did for some reason.
Feb 07 06:04:52 <GeneralAntilles> johnx, ;)
Feb 07 06:05:09 <benson> Only for "real work", and more ssh than telnet.
Feb 07 06:05:41 <Addison> Are you in the medical field or am I confusing you with bunason? (sp?)
Feb 07 06:05:58 <benson> Probably confusing me with bunanson.
Feb 07 06:06:05 <benson> I'm in engineering.
Feb 07 06:06:06 <Addison> What do you do then?
Feb 07 06:06:17 <Addison> Ooh, must be nice to have a huge brain!
Feb 07 06:06:20 <benson> Aerospace engineering, grad student.
Feb 07 06:06:24 <benson> lol
Feb 07 06:06:33 <GeneralAntilles> air, http://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4081
Feb 07 06:07:00 <benson> Only a student, so I'm still working on getting my brain huged. ;)
Feb 07 06:07:19 <Addison> So you're not planning our next trip to mars then?
Feb 07 06:07:47 <benson> Well, not officially...
Feb 07 06:07:59 <benson> (Ok, not at all.)
Feb 07 06:08:54 <Addison> If I was an astronaut, I would be so bitter if I got called up for that mission.  Basically it would be like, "We've chosen you to die a horrible, searing death for our country.  You've made peace with your family members, right?"
Feb 07 06:08:58 <air> general: oh nice, thanks
Feb 07 06:09:30 <benson> ATM I'm wrangling textbooks mostly, but I should be digging in to some serious research over the next few months.
Feb 07 06:09:55 <Addison> Hey benson, what's your take on the whole dark rift thingie coming up in 2012?  Is that all just a bunch of superstitious bull honkey?
Feb 07 06:10:14 <benson> Addison: Maybe I'm young, stupid, and relatively unattached, but I'd _kill_ for that mission.
Feb 07 06:11:01 <Addison> Even knowing that you'd probably would most likely be screaming just before the moment of death?
Feb 07 06:11:47 <benson> Then again, you might not die. Even probably wouldn't die.
Feb 07 06:12:22 <benson> And there's all sorts of ways to die, some of them involve screaming (at much lower intensity) for years.
Feb 07 06:13:00 <Addison> You'd have no spine left by the time you reached Mars.  Makes it a little tough to ambulate without one.
Feb 07 06:13:01 <benson> I think most space crashes are likely easier than a lot of old-age/disease type deaths.
Feb 07 06:13:43 <benson> As for 2012, not sure what dark rift thingie?
Feb 07 06:14:52 <Addison> The dark rift thingie where the sun is in the center of the galaxy, it only occurs every 26 thousand years.
Feb 07 06:14:53 <benson> (I'd probably put it down in the superstitious bull column though, just guessing.)
Feb 07 06:15:07 <benson> ?????!!!!!?????
Feb 07 06:15:10 <Addison> The Myans calendar was based on this principle.
Feb 07 06:15:19 <benson> And it's supposed to happen in 2012?
Feb 07 06:15:39 <Addison> Yeah, you never heard of December 12 (I think), 2012?
Feb 07 06:15:57 <Addison> I heard that back when I was a little newb and it scared the shitters out of me.  :(
Feb 07 06:16:02 <benson> 12/12/12? sounds auspicious, but no, I hadn't.
Feb 07 06:16:19 <benson> I'm kind of sitting here chuckling now that I have.
Feb 07 06:16:37 <benson> I wouldn't worry about it, but I'm gonna google and search for more details.
Feb 07 06:16:57 <Addison> Whoops, sorry, it's going to happen on the 21st.
Feb 07 06:18:47 <pupnik> our sun does not pass through the center of the galaxy
Feb 07 06:18:50 <benson> http://curious.astro.cornell.edu/question.php?number=686
Feb 07 06:18:59 <pupnik> please filter the bs from the science
Feb 07 06:19:07 <benson> Passes through the plane of the galaxy, pupnik.
Feb 07 06:19:10 <pupnik> oh ok
Feb 07 06:19:33 <benson> Passing through the center would be cause for alarm, of course. XD
Feb 07 06:19:34 <pupnik> astrology then
Feb 07 06:20:56 <Addison> So in a nutshell, should I be hoarding water and defending my home in combat mode that day?  :)
Feb 07 06:21:00 <benson> Addison: I'm more worried about the Prophet getting elected.
Feb 07 06:21:14 <Addison> Who's the Prophet?
Feb 07 06:21:30 <benson> Oh, definitely, but you should _always_ be hoarding water and defending in combat mode.
Feb 07 06:21:45 <benson> Heinlein reference.
Feb 07 06:22:05 <benson> Happens in 2012
Feb 07 06:22:09 <Addison> Viva la revolution!
Feb 07 06:22:13 <Addison> *lol*
Feb 07 06:22:29 <Addison> Give me a link to Heinlein, yeah?
Feb 07 06:22:41 <Addison> Like got a page or something?
Feb 07 06:22:54 <benson> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_A._Heinlein
Feb 07 06:23:08 <Addison> You're worried about Bob?  *lol*
Feb 07 06:23:43 <benson> The book that's from would be Methuselah's Children, I think, though I haven't actually read it.
Feb 07 06:23:59 <benson> (Or whichever one it was.)
Feb 07 06:24:12 * benson needs to find more time for reading/listening to SF.
Feb 07 06:29:00 <Addison> I once thought of a great SF movie.  It's a guy that built a machine using tachyon energy to send light signals faster than the speed of light to himself.  Uses it to win the lottery and crack wallstreet stocks to fund his project even more then presents it all to the government.
Feb 07 06:29:21 <Addison> So far, I've gotten almost the first sentence written...
Feb 07 06:29:27 <Addison> It's "In the beginning...."
Feb 07 06:29:32 <Addison> What do you think of it so far?
Feb 07 06:30:01 <benson> That's a good start; I think you could have a real best-seller start with that.
Feb 07 06:30:33 <Addison> The way it would have to work is to have two rooms, one to send the signal, the other to receive it.
Feb 07 06:31:18 <Addison> My mind kind of wobbles on how you would send it to yourself though.  Because once you received the message, I think you would have to then send that message into the machine to receive it, which you already did.
Feb 07 06:31:30 <Addison> Crap, this is giving me a headache just thinking about it.
Feb 07 06:31:33 <Addison> *lol*
Feb 07 06:31:55 <johnx> Addison, watch 'Primer' :)
Feb 07 06:32:01 <Addison> What's primer?
Feb 07 06:32:29 <benson> That actually puts me in mind, a bit, of some book I read... only know I can't remember the title, or author.
Feb 07 06:32:42 <johnx> telling you about it would ruin it, but based on what you were just talking about I think you'd like it :)
Feb 07 06:33:03 <Addison> So it's a book john?  I really hate books!
Feb 07 06:33:11 <Addison> Can't I just see the movie?
Feb 07 06:33:15 <benson> He told you to watch it.
Feb 07 06:33:16 <johnx> you're in luck: it's a movie
Feb 07 06:33:24 <benson> Watching books is quite boring.
Feb 07 06:33:54 <johnx> benson, but it's also easy. I passed quite a few classes in high school through book-brain osmosis
Feb 07 06:33:58 <benson> It's not the same one I'm thinking of.
Feb 07 06:34:05 <Addison> Ooh, nice!  It actually got good reviews as well!
Feb 07 06:34:06 <Addison> http://www.metacritic.com/film/titles/primer?q=the%20primer
Feb 07 06:34:14 <benson> (Which was a book.)
Feb 07 06:34:18 <Addison> 68 is a great, overall score for Metacritic.
Feb 07 06:34:35 <johnx> Addison, do yourself a favor and don't read up too much before watching it. it's better if it's a surprise I think
Feb 07 06:35:12 <Addison> Reading is for retards and small farm animals.... no offense, john. :)
Feb 07 06:35:26 <Addison> I'm part of the I want it all right now generation.
Feb 07 06:36:02 <johnx> which generation is that?
Feb 07 06:36:07 <benson> If you're a speed reader, you could go through it faster than the movie. :p
Feb 07 06:36:16 <Addison> Like I'm one who will stand in front of a microwave screaming "COME ON!!!!!", "IT'S ALREADY BEEN 27 DAMN SECONDS!"  "WHERE'S MY DINNER ALREADY!?!!!!?"
Feb 07 06:36:41 <benson> Addison: Turn the microwave on; it cooks faster.
Feb 07 06:36:52 <johnx> ++
Feb 07 06:37:24 <Addison> I never liked you benson.  *lol*
Feb 07 06:37:52 <johnx> you walked into that one :) (Also picturing small farm animals reading Heinlein...)
Feb 07 06:38:38 <Addison> Despite "The Primer" not having any scenes of tawdry smut action and is rated pg-13.  I think I'll check it out this weekend if I have the time.
Feb 07 06:39:37 <Addison> I'm still wanting to see 4 months, 3 weeks, and 2 days though.  I'd like to see what all the hype is over this movie.
Feb 07 06:43:36 * johnx is totally out of touch with current movies...
Feb 07 06:44:53 <Addison> I think it was made a year ago, john.  It's an independent Russian film on a girl wanting an abortion.
Feb 07 06:45:03 <Addison> I don't think it would be your type of movie.
Feb 07 06:45:39 <johnx> ah. yeah, I'll probably pass
Feb 07 06:45:40 <Addison> Not really one for me either, but the ratings for it were through the roof.  And since I'm such a sheep, I'd like to see it.
Feb 07 06:46:02 <benson> sheep: aren't they small farm animals? :p
Feb 07 06:46:17 <Vulcanis> yeah
Feb 07 06:46:22 <Vulcanis> apparently the welsh are quite partial to them.
Feb 07 06:46:24 <Addison> F ewe, benson!  *lol*
Feb 07 06:46:50 <Addison> Sorry, bad joke.
Feb 07 06:47:32 <Addison> I've got issues, but I'm trying to work on them.  :)
Feb 07 06:47:55 <benson> heheh. I'm not Welsh, though.
Feb 07 06:48:33 <Addison> Hey, so does anyone know if there is actually a character table for "UTF-8" encoding on the tablet?  I've been looking but I don't think I've found one.
Feb 07 06:49:04 <Addison> I'd like to make a new selection for character encoding using Xterm but I'm not seeing how it's programmed.
Feb 07 06:49:13 <benson> A character table?
Feb 07 06:49:29 <Addison> Like this one.
Feb 07 06:49:29 <Addison> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Code_page_437
Feb 07 06:49:57 <benson> UTF-8 is a way of expressing the whole unicode space.
Feb 07 06:50:07 <Addison> I'd like to have Xterm feature this without having to do the whole Konwert translation on the fly using Telnet.
Feb 07 06:50:19 <benson> So there's no table involved.
Feb 07 06:51:37 <Addison> Okay, so what if I were to change the Latin (ISO 8859-1) to that table I just showed?  What might be my first step?
Feb 07 06:51:48 <johnx> sounds like you need a utf-9 capable terminal like gnome-terminal or urxvt
Feb 07 06:52:02 <benson> If you can make xterm use raw 8-bit instead of UTF-8, you could use a CP437 font like:
Feb 07 06:52:05 <johnx> s/-9/-8 of course
Feb 07 06:52:07 <benson> http://dmr.ath.cx/misc/cp437/
Feb 07 06:52:37 * johnx disappears for a bit
Feb 07 06:52:48 <benson> (I dunno, is our xterm even UTF-8? johnx sounds like it's not.)
Feb 07 06:52:52 <Addison> Xterm doesn't take .pcf or bdf fonts, unless I'm missing something here.
Feb 07 06:53:20 <benson> Should be able to use X fonts I think.
Feb 07 06:53:21 <Addison> I thought it could only handle .ttf font format.
Feb 07 06:53:30 <Addison> Okay, how so benson?
Feb 07 06:53:55 <benson> Install them system-wide, and tell xterm to use them :p
Feb 07 06:54:15 * benson looks to see if we have system-wide font directory tree...
Feb 07 06:54:22 <Addison> I need something that I can specifically type into Xterm, I don't know any coding.
Feb 07 06:55:53 <Addison> So when you're in Xterm, and you can choose the few limited types of coding, is there a way to overwrite one to basically makes a new type of encoding such as CP437?
Feb 07 06:57:42 <Addison> It's actually not that important.  I can already get CP437 encoding now, but I have to use konwert filters.  I was thinking if I could hack a current encoding then I would be able to get a better speed on Telnet.
Feb 07 06:58:11 <Addison> It's probably not worth the extra effort though.  I just thought it might be a fun challenge to do so.
Feb 07 07:00:18 <benson> Are you cool with running, say, rxvt, not osso-xterm?
Feb 07 07:01:16 <Addison> Okay, sure.  How can I lose?  :)
Feb 07 07:02:07 <Addison> Just to let you know though, I can't understand a thing with my tablet.  All I'm really good at is math which sometimes helps out on a few posts.
Feb 07 07:03:04 <Addison> I keep thinking that my request is simple.  All I would like is for the tablet to be like a little mini PC while on Telnet and nothing else.
Feb 07 07:03:39 <benson> Well, the trouble is that you don't have a VGA card, with CP437 in ROM, on your tablet.
Feb 07 07:03:57 <Addison> Every time I post a topic on this, all I get is a dim flicker of recognition though.  *lol*
Feb 07 07:09:34 <Addison> Hey benson, I think I'm beginning to haze in and out of consciousness.  I should call it a night for now.  Was part of a pelvic fracture, female hernia, and an acute appendicitus that ruptured today.  Need to decompress and drink a few offline.
Feb 07 07:09:46 <Addison> I'll try and be back again next weekend if possible.
Feb 07 07:09:51 <benson> kk
Feb 07 07:09:59 <benson> Maybe I'll even have an answer.
Feb 07 07:10:04 <Addison> Great chatting with you though.  You were everything cool I thought you would be!  :)
Feb 07 07:10:10 <Addison> See ya!
Feb 07 07:10:11 <benson> This is an interesting problem. ;)
Feb 07 07:10:16 <benson> see ya
Feb 07 07:21:22 <fireun> craziness
Feb 07 07:22:38 <fireun> telnet
Feb 07 07:22:44 * fireun shakes his head and goes to bed
Feb 07 08:20:15 <pupnik> "If all government spending were expressed by printing  then there would gradually develop in society an irresistible force to reduce it to a level that the people can afford." - pupnik
Feb 07 08:34:03 <`0660> did you just quote yourself? :)
Feb 07 09:02:14 <jaem> good $localfuzzytime, everyone
Feb 07 09:08:14 <Jaffa> GeneralAntilles: the HAM one?
Feb 07 09:14:26 <Stskeeps> morning jaffa
Feb 07 09:43:58 <Zic> Stskeeps: you make me think to take a look at the season 10 of Stargate: SG-1
Feb 07 09:44:03 <Zic> thanks :]
Feb 07 09:46:44 <Stskeeps> Zic: heh, i so lost track of sg-1.. saw continuum and last episode and that was it
Feb 07 09:47:51 <Zic> Stskeeps: me too, I can't recall where I have stopped to watch on the french TV...
Feb 07 09:48:19 <Zic> season 8 I think, but anyway, I can't remind details so, just jumping directly to the last season 10
Feb 07 09:48:20 <Zic> :)
Feb 07 10:00:19 <wazd> hello everybody)
Feb 07 10:20:00 <Stskeeps> morning wazd
Feb 07 10:22:11 * Jucato is amazed at the signs of life
Feb 07 10:24:48 <lcuk> mornin dead chan
Feb 07 10:25:14 * lcuk curses sleeping on a mathematical problem, my dreams are so strange
Feb 07 10:26:24 <Jucato> I slept on twitter/identi.ca last night... strange dreams as well
Feb 07 10:26:51 <Jucato> of course nothing beats the number of dreams I've had about the n810...
Feb 07 10:27:03 <lcuk> is that legal?
Feb 07 10:27:18 <Jucato> O.o
Feb 07 10:28:22 * lcuk ponders talking it through to see whether he can make sense of it
Feb 07 10:28:34 * wazd dreams bout the plane to sleep in that heads from Japan to California :)
Feb 07 10:28:52 <Jucato> quick question: is it normal that the N810 doesn't pick up my home wifi immediately, while the laptop has no problems? it some takes a couple of tries... but sometimes instant...
Feb 07 10:29:17 <lcuk> Jucato, no problems here, but i use adhoc between all my devices
Feb 07 10:29:21 <Stskeeps> Jucato: there's a scanning interval thing
Feb 07 10:29:52 <Jucato> Stskeeps, I set it to never and do it manually
Feb 07 10:29:52 <lcuk> but in work the wifi is a bit flaky in the backoffices
Feb 07 10:30:10 <Stskeeps> Jucato: well then it doesnt catch the beacons..
Feb 07 10:30:57 <lcuk> mmmmm beacons
Feb 07 10:31:19 <Jucato> Stskeeps, but if I set an interval, will it automatically connect even if I don't want it to?
Feb 07 10:31:26 <lcuk> yes
Feb 07 10:31:27 <Jucato> lcuk, vacons
Feb 07 10:31:43 <Corsac> hmhm, is there a midori package for maemo or just for Mer?
Feb 07 10:31:47 <lcuk> check your router doesnt have some odd random low power or hidden setting
Feb 07 10:31:55 <Jucato> oh well, I guess I can olways turn it off :)
Feb 07 10:32:28 <Jucato> lcuk, no problem with the router. laptop gets the wireless just fine
Feb 07 10:33:28 <lcuk> laptop might just store info that the 810 might be throwing away, worth just a quick look around its settings for anything obvious?
Feb 07 10:33:43 <Jucato> hm.. ok...
Feb 07 10:33:48 <lcuk> what signal strength do you get it at
Feb 07 10:33:53 <Jucato> full
Feb 07 10:34:06 <Jucato> when connecting
Feb 07 10:34:15 <lcuk> are there other hotspots around?
Feb 07 10:34:29 <Jucato> but atm I'm a bit far, 2/4 bars
Feb 07 10:34:31 <Jucato> nope
Feb 07 10:34:56 <lcuk> tis odd then, mine doesnt misfire and fail to see - is the ap set to hidden?
Feb 07 10:36:42 <Jucato> hm..  lemme check
Feb 07 10:38:40 <Jucato> it isn't
Feb 07 10:39:21 <Jucato> oh well,. it's just a random annoyance, not a fatal problem (I hope)
Feb 07 10:46:45 * aquatix waves from FOSDEM
Feb 07 10:48:14 <Jucato> ooh fosdem :)
Feb 07 10:49:35 <wazd> beer party (99
Feb 07 10:49:46 <Jucato> hehehe
Feb 07 10:57:28 <aquatix> wazd: hell yeah
Feb 07 10:57:34 <Stskeeps> aquatix: anything interesting going on there?
Feb 07 10:57:43 <aquatix> Stskeeps: at the debian keytalk now
Feb 07 10:58:40 <Stskeeps> wish i could have gone but it conflicted with gf being here :P
Feb 07 10:59:12 <aquatix> (by bdale btw)
Feb 07 10:59:15 <aquatix> Stskeeps: ah :(
Feb 07 10:59:20 <aquatix> priorities eh? ;)
Feb 07 10:59:31 <Stskeeps> aquatix: yeah..
Feb 07 11:00:38 <Stskeeps> right, back to deciphering BME
Feb 07 11:01:29 <aquatix> fun
Feb 07 11:01:51 <Stskeeps> well, i have pretty much cracked how to get the status information out
Feb 07 11:02:27 <Jucato> bad priorities ;)
Feb 07 11:02:49 <Stskeeps> Jucato: since i only see my fiancée a week a month currently, it does up the priority a bit
Feb 07 11:02:56 <dexterk> I have a idea, if I cp -rf / to SD card,then boot from the SD like boot the debian beta, is that a way to clone OS 2008 to SD card?
Feb 07 11:02:58 <Jucato> :)
Feb 07 11:03:14 <Stskeeps> dexterk: there's a guide for cloning OS
Feb 07 11:03:17 * lcuk wishes he couldv been at fosdem, but it conflicted with getting code finished
Feb 07 11:03:20 <Stskeeps> or use penguinbaits stuff
Feb 07 11:03:32 <qwerty12> dexterk, that's basically what the cloning scripts do.. but you'll have more success using tar
Feb 07 11:03:34 <dexterk> Stskeeps: not just copy ?
Feb 07 11:04:10 <dexterk> qwerty12: I　really want to try ,lol
Feb 07 11:04:36 * qwerty12 doesn't bother with cloning, much more refreshing to mount a stock rootfs on the computer and tar it up and unpack on my partition
Feb 07 11:05:26 <dexterk> I　am go to try my idea
Feb 07 11:05:28 <dexterk> lol
Feb 07 11:06:54 <lcuk> ~lart my blitter routine
Feb 07 11:06:55 * infobot whips my blitter routine with a wet and grimy noodle just because
Feb 07 11:08:04 * wazd wishes he could've been at fosdem, but it conflicted with Russia x(
Feb 07 11:08:07 <Stskeeps> heh
Feb 07 11:08:13 <Stskeeps> BME keeps track of how long time it has been charging
Feb 07 11:08:16 <Stskeeps> cute
Feb 07 11:08:39 <Jucato> while looking for the "booting from sd card" instructions, is this setup possible: I'm going to partition the internal 2GB card in to two (mabye 1GB/1GB or 1.5GB/.5GB), keep one of those two as the orignal "Internal Memory Card" (mostly for swap) and boot into the other one (the larger of the two). the external memory will remain for data
Feb 07 11:11:05 <lcuk> HAHAHA! it works
Feb 07 11:11:07 <Meizirkki> Jucato: seems fine
Feb 07 11:11:30 * lcuk makes it adjust for aspect ratio
Feb 07 11:11:43 <Jucato> Meizirkki: thanks
Feb 07 11:11:59 <aquatix> wazd: :)
Feb 07 11:12:10 <aquatix> wazd: in russia, FOSDEM comes to you?
Feb 07 11:12:24 <Jucato> "Why would we want to boot from a flash card? To improve performance (note, this is dependent on the quality of your flash card)." <-- what's the quality of the internal 2G memory?
Feb 07 11:23:10 * lcuk smiles like a madman
Feb 07 11:24:27 * Jucato wonders if a madman could probably answer his question :)
Feb 07 11:24:28 <slonopotamus> hehe. i got X & touchscreen working
Feb 07 11:24:32 <Stskeeps> slonopotamus: woo
Feb 07 11:24:45 * lcuk listens to http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6ljFaKRTrI
Feb 07 11:24:49 <slonopotamus> Stskeeps, morning :)
Feb 07 11:25:13 <lcuk> This was a triumph. I'm making a note here: HUGE SUCCESS.
Feb 07 11:25:15 <slonopotamus> Stskeeps, that was pretty easy
Feb 07 11:25:15 <Stskeeps> slonopotamus: were you a developer too btw? or just ported
Feb 07 11:25:25 <lcuk> It's hard to overstate my satisfaction.
Feb 07 11:25:47 <Jucato> lcuk: I almost thought it was a link to "We are the champions"
Feb 07 11:25:53 <slonopotamus> Stskeeps, uh?
Feb 07 11:26:00 <Stskeeps> slonopotamus: as in, do you code C ;)
Feb 07 11:26:06 <slonopotamus> Stskeeps, nope
Feb 07 11:26:11 <lcuk> no jucato, just got another piece of the puzzle in palce
Feb 07 11:26:14 <lcuk> place
Feb 07 11:26:19 <Stskeeps> slonopotamus: k
Feb 07 11:26:22 <Jucato> ah :)
Feb 07 11:26:24 * lcuk looks at his points of data
Feb 07 11:26:36 <slonopotamus> Stskeeps, python, java, js, a little bit of perl/bash, but not C
Feb 07 11:26:37 * lcuk does a guitar solo
Feb 07 11:28:03 <dexterk>  penguinbait  tool does not work for me, always stop at partion...
Feb 07 11:28:23 * slonopotamus can't compile anything in cpp on tablet. it takes tons of ram, slows down and gets rebooted by wd 
Feb 07 11:28:48 <lcuk> slonopotamus, what you trying to build in c++ - i managed it for a while before the slowness got to me and i went back to c
Feb 07 11:29:09 <qwerty12> slonopotamus, dunno if these cflags work for g++: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=220028&postcount=16
Feb 07 11:29:24 <slonopotamus> lcuk, i wanted to build slim - tiny login manager
Feb 07 11:29:44 <RzR> Any one at fosdem now ? I selected some conferences : http://www.newlc.com/en/2009-events-fosdem-now-wmc-next
Feb 07 11:29:51 <lcuk> slonopotamus, put the cpu into performance mode, compilation of anything is about 5x faster for some reason
Feb 07 11:29:57 <Jucato> penguinbait.. sounds familiar...
Feb 07 11:30:01 <slonopotamus> lcuk, i'm in it
Feb 07 11:30:18 <lcuk> arghhhhhhh i wanted to be at fosdem :'( but i hadnt finished my code and ive got a family party tonight
Feb 07 11:30:23 <Stskeeps> RzR: you at fosdem?
Feb 07 11:30:39 <slonopotamus> lcuk, heck, i can compile gcc, gtk, whatever else and can't build small login manager
Feb 07 11:30:52 <lcuk> lol
Feb 07 11:30:53 <lcuk> ok
Feb 07 11:30:54 <RzR> Stskeeps: unfortunatly not, but i have friends there
Feb 07 11:31:02 <Stskeeps> k
Feb 07 11:31:20 * lcuk puts code monkey on
Feb 07 11:31:41 <slonopotamus> lcuk, hmm... interesting options. will try them, thanks
Feb 07 11:31:59 <lcuk> which options?
Feb 07 11:32:15 <qwerty12> slonopotamus, s/lcuk/qwerty12/ ;)
Feb 07 11:32:29 <slonopotamus> s/lcuk/qwerty12/
Feb 07 11:32:30 <infobot> slonopotamus meant: qwerty12, hmm... interesting options. will try them, thanks
Feb 07 11:32:44 <lcuk> "code monkey get up, get coffee"
Feb 07 11:33:38 <slonopotamus> qwerty12, with defaults it behaves very badly when compiler grows up to ~90mb
Feb 07 11:33:39 <lcuk> who thinks i should put up a small youtube vid?
Feb 07 11:34:28 <qwerty12> slonopotamus, eurgh. A reason why I'll never turn to on device compiling :)
Feb 07 11:35:03 <lcuk> compile lots of little things and slot them together dynamically :)
Feb 07 11:35:05 <slonopotamus> qwerty12, hehe. you have other problems in sb/qemu
Feb 07 11:35:22 <qwerty12> True :). I guess that's what sbrsh is there for :)
Feb 07 11:36:03 <slonopotamus> sbrsh - ?
Feb 07 11:36:51 <qwerty12> Sbox connects to your real arm device and uses the processor of that instead of qemu
Feb 07 11:37:05 <slonopotamus> hmm
Feb 07 11:37:25 <slonopotamus> why this is better than on-device compiling?
Feb 07 11:37:45 * lcuk wants a very dynamic webservice offering compilation (and a wiki database for maintaining versions)
Feb 07 11:37:49 <Stskeeps> cos of the cross-compiler :P
Feb 07 11:37:55 <Stskeeps> it's kinda like inverse DISTCC
Feb 07 11:38:20 <qwerty12> You can also set resource limits :)
Feb 07 11:38:25 <slonopotamus> Stskeeps, uh? i don't understand. who compiles in this setup?
Feb 07 11:38:36 <Stskeeps> slonopotamus: scratchbox compiles, tablet emulates
Feb 07 11:38:57 <slonopotamus> Stskeeps, uh? emulates what?
Feb 07 11:39:15 <Stskeeps> slonopotamus: if the cross-compilation process needs to run a program that was built for armel
Feb 07 11:39:20 <Stskeeps> (happens quite often)
Feb 07 11:40:43 <slonopotamus> Stskeeps, hmm... will you build perl without any modifications to it in such way?
Feb 07 11:41:32 <Stskeeps> slonopotamus: er, rephrase q
Feb 07 11:42:05 <slonopotamus> can you build perl in sb?
Feb 07 11:43:20 <Stskeeps> never tried
Feb 07 11:43:30 <slonopotamus> i don't trust crosscompiler and try to avoid using it as much as possible
Feb 07 11:44:05 <Stskeeps> btw, http://git.pingu.fi/hald-addon-retu-adc.git/ <- battery information
Feb 07 11:44:06 <Stskeeps> i think
Feb 07 11:44:17 <slonopotamus> Stskeeps, try :) if you can't (even with sbrsh), then it's  a broken emulator :)
Feb 07 11:45:53 * slonopotamus got very weird touchscreen behaviour until put /etc/pointercal calibration data
Feb 07 11:45:59 <Stskeeps> correct
Feb 07 11:46:08 <Stskeeps> look at the nokia-n8x0-pointercal stuff
Feb 07 11:46:45 <slonopotamus> Stskeeps, hehe. i've already wrapped it ito ebuild :) all your bases are belong to us
Feb 07 11:46:53 <slonopotamus> s/ito/into/
Feb 07 11:46:53 <infobot> slonopotamus meant: Stskeeps, hehe. i've already wrapped it into ebuild :) all your bases are belong to us
Feb 07 11:47:08 <slonopotamus> gotta go, see ya
Feb 07 11:48:35 <qwerty12> BTW, do an "svn checkout https://garage.maemo.org/svn/dsm -r 151" to see really old dsme from 2006 era before it was cleaned up for opensourcing :)
Feb 07 11:48:38 <kaie810> Hi. How can I find the mac addr of the wifi access point I am connected to? Or the equivalent to iwconfig
Feb 07 11:49:06 <Stskeeps> qwerty12: yeah, i know
Feb 07 11:49:20 <qwerty12> Stskeeps, I wasn't specifically referring to you ;)
Feb 07 11:49:40 <gladiac> kaie810: iwconfig should be installed
Feb 07 11:50:12 <kaie810> Dont have iwconfig in roots path
Feb 07 11:50:37 <qwerty12> kaie810, get root access, have extras enabled and apt-get install wireless-tools
Feb 07 11:50:39 <Stskeeps> apt-get install wireless-tools
Feb 07 11:51:04 <kaie810> Thanks!
Feb 07 11:54:42 <kaie810> Well. E: Couldn't find package wireless-tools
Feb 07 11:55:35 <qwerty12> Extras enabled? But anyway, add the repo here (and disable when done): http://maemo.org/development/tools/#apt-example
Feb 07 11:58:41 <Stskeeps> hmm, does android use HAL?
Feb 07 12:06:03 <wazd> http://www.tvchannelsfree.com/watch/4899/Moscow-WebCam.html <- Hehehe, I can wave you from there in about 5 minutes :)
Feb 07 12:06:11 <wazd> 15*
Feb 07 12:14:28 <HAL> im sorry Stskeeps, i'm afraid i can't do that
Feb 07 12:15:55 <lcuk> wazd, that webcam, on the road on the left there looks like multiple layers of cars parked, is it parking or a traffic jam
Feb 07 12:16:02 <lcuk> ahhh tis ok
Feb 07 12:16:05 <lcuk> it was traffic lights
Feb 07 12:19:34 <wazd> lcuk: It's one of the weirdest places in moscow for the drivers pov :)
Feb 07 12:21:35 <lcuk> wazd, all places in moscow would be weird for me :D you lunatics drive on the wrong side of the road!!!
Feb 07 12:25:12 * lcuk giggles like a schoolgirl
Feb 07 12:25:33 <Stskeeps> lcuk has gotten the lsd-laced bacon
Feb 07 12:26:21 <lcuk> :D i aint had any bacon yet, im just growing in confidence about the abilities in the new liqbase :)
Feb 07 12:26:37 * lcuk still has lots of work,  but the principle works
Feb 07 12:27:03 <lcuk> i really hope i dont have to resort to lowering the screen resolution again, it doesnt like 640*480
Feb 07 12:27:20 <lcuk> at least not on this aspect ratio screen
Feb 07 12:27:27 <lcuk> it works for other things
Feb 07 12:27:45 <wazd> lcuk: :)
Feb 07 12:28:27 * lcuk ponders: do i need a zoomout transition as well as a zoomin
Feb 07 12:29:48 * lcuk just cant stop clicking
Feb 07 12:31:41 <lcuk> i really must fix the edge case for the background
Feb 07 12:40:27 <lcuk> whats the command line to configure/run the vnc server from the command line (ubuntu
Feb 07 12:40:43 <lcuk> ive got an ssh session but i want to login with vnc
Feb 07 12:41:33 <Stskeeps> vncserver? :P
Feb 07 12:42:31 <lcuk> lol thanks
Feb 07 12:42:45 <lcuk> i knew it had remote access on it (i use it to vnc into my windows desktop)
Feb 07 12:44:56 <lcuk> mmm
Feb 07 12:45:15 <lcuk> when i loginto vnc it shows me a raw new x11 session and not the current desktop that luke is faffing with
Feb 07 12:47:05 <Stskeeps> ah, that's X11vnc you want then
Feb 07 12:48:23 <lcuk> ahhh thanks
Feb 07 12:52:24 <Stskeeps> qwerty12_N800: does advanced power monitor poll or?
Feb 07 12:52:42 <qwerty12_N800> it polls
Feb 07 12:53:23 <Stskeeps> and not just listening for dbus signals?
Feb 07 12:54:57 <qwerty12_N800> I thought you were talking about apmd. apmd polls, not sure about apm
Feb 07 12:55:02 <Stskeeps> apmd, yeah
Feb 07 12:55:49 <Stskeeps> i can poll quite a lot in BME now :P
Feb 07 12:56:06 <qwerty12_N800> apmd must poll because with nokia's original applet & apmd running, the battery applet goes crazy.
Feb 07 12:56:11 <Stskeeps> mm
Feb 07 13:29:50 <GeneralAntilles> Jaffa, yes, the h-a-m one.
Feb 07 13:30:18 <sandman> This just in: There are many racists on YouTube. That is all.
Feb 07 13:31:03 <GeneralAntilles> sandman, YouTube is the most bizarrely retarded place I've been able to find on the internet.
Feb 07 13:31:11 <GeneralAntilles> The comments there are otherworldly.
Feb 07 13:31:36 <qwerty12_N800> Come on, the world's collection of spastics meet at the comments section. You're surprised by racism?
Feb 07 13:32:32 <GeneralAntilles> If nothing else it's damn impressive.
Feb 07 13:33:27 <GeneralAntilles> As if somebody distilled all of the internet's idiocy and fed it into the comments.
Feb 07 13:40:11 <wazd> guys, is that fontsize enough for old people?) http://s48.radikal.ru/i121/0902/24/8446e96a41e7.jpg
Feb 07 13:40:55 <Jucato> yay!! successful partitioning and dual booting of internal memory!
Feb 07 13:44:24 <GeneralAntilles> wazd, no, probably not. :P
Feb 07 13:45:14 <wazd> screw old people then :)
Feb 07 13:47:06 <wazd> it's giant already :(
Feb 07 13:47:22 <lcuk> wazd, you will *NEVER* get a one size fits all for any interface
Feb 07 13:48:07 <lcuk> there is no such thing as the perfect UI.  what you can give in the best case is enough choice to let them find the best one.
Feb 07 13:48:40 <lcuk> and choice is not 100 tickboxes and options
Feb 07 13:48:52 <wazd> the perfect UI is one button with "make it cool" functionality :)
Feb 07 13:49:00 <lcuk> oh, ive got that here
Feb 07 13:49:17 <GeneralAntilles> wazd, just make the options good enough that you can pick between a nice, simple and huge 2-day, and a complicated and tiny 10-day.
Feb 07 13:50:06 <wazd> GeneralAntilles: there will be no difference in day/night blocks, if you choose 2 day or 200 day :)
Feb 07 13:51:02 * lcuk hasnt fixed anything in place yet in liqbase
Feb 07 13:51:14 <lcuk> i will let the ui mould over time :)
Feb 07 13:53:29 <lcuk> right, im goin makin a short video
Feb 07 13:53:35 <lcuk> i cant do any more code today
Feb 07 14:02:11 <GeneralAntilles> lcuk, enter liqbase into the N97 widget contest. :P
Feb 07 14:02:18 <GeneralAntilles> It can be the liqos widget.
Feb 07 14:02:32 <GeneralAntilles> An OS within a widget within an OS. :P
Feb 07 14:02:58 <dexterk> anybody can help me a little? which deb source contain the libstdc++-dev ?
Feb 07 14:03:14 <dexterk> os 2008
Feb 07 14:03:58 <qwerty12_N800> ~seen fiferboy
Feb 07 14:04:00 <infobot> fiferboy <n=quassel@216.185.81.34> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 32d 18h 18m 26s ago, saying: 'Thanks for the information.  I will give that a try'.
Feb 07 14:04:12 <qwerty12_N800> damn :(
Feb 07 14:04:48 <thopiekar> hello.. my project on garage.maemo.org is at reversion 64.. is it normal that commiting changes takes 10-15minutes?
Feb 07 14:05:38 <lcuk> GeneralAntilles, i already entered all the widgets from the n97 contest into liqbase ;)
Feb 07 14:06:09 <lcuk> http://liqbase.net/liq.20090202_232708.lib.scr.png
Feb 07 14:06:21 <lcuk> but it looks awful
Feb 07 14:07:28 <lcuk> video copying from camera
Feb 07 14:07:45 <lcuk> should i upload it to liqbase.net before i put it on youtube?
Feb 07 14:07:51 <lcuk> its 42mb
Feb 07 14:08:06 <wazd> All we need is one one one vision...
Feb 07 14:09:08 <lcuk> shit, whats my youtube password?
Feb 07 14:09:34 <wazd> qwerty12_N800: Olmsted is on the Jabber now)
Feb 07 14:09:37 <qwerty12_N800> bacon
Feb 07 14:09:50 <lcuk> haha
Feb 07 14:09:55 <qwerty12_N800> wazd, ah, thanks, maybe later :)
Feb 07 14:11:28 * wazd sings "Tie your mother down"
Feb 07 14:13:34 <wazd> my neighbours are pretty lucky with me not having proper speakers :)
Feb 07 14:14:11 <qwerty12_N800> you should rectify that asap :p
Feb 07 14:15:23 <wazd> my acoustics is at the country cause I'm having the overhaul in my appartments :)
Feb 07 14:15:48 <wazd> So I'm having fun with perforator instead >:D
Feb 07 14:16:39 <qwerty12_N800> hehe
Feb 07 14:17:16 <wazd> So I think they will be actually pleased to listen to Queen, Leds and other stuff instead of noise :)
Feb 07 14:19:45 <lcuk> goooooooood how long does youtube take to upload
Feb 07 14:19:54 <lcuk> i think i had this last time
Feb 07 14:20:06 <GeneralAntilles> lcuk, as long as your crappy internet connection takes?
Feb 07 14:23:25 <lcuk> Uploaded (processing, please wait)
Feb 07 14:24:27 <lcuk> mer gets a nice advert in the middle of the video
Feb 07 14:25:05 <GeneralAntilles> lcuk screaming "Meeeeeeeeeer!!" for 10 seconds?
Feb 07 14:25:13 <lcuk> nahh
Feb 07 14:25:19 <lcuk> but theres a mer logo
Feb 07 14:27:30 <Stskeeps> GeneralAntilles: Meeeer could also be roughly translated to "Biiiiiitch!"
Feb 07 14:27:31 <Stskeeps> :P
Feb 07 14:27:42 <GeneralAntilles> Hehe
Feb 07 14:28:02 <lcuk> gahhh @ processing time
Feb 07 14:29:51 <lcuk> oooh, theres a video on youtube!
Feb 07 14:29:52 <aquatix> gah @ non-functional wifi at FOSMDEM
Feb 07 14:30:10 <aquatix> -M
Feb 07 14:30:12 <lcuk> should i give a link?
Feb 07 14:30:31 <aquatix> wouldnt work here anyway ;)
Feb 07 14:30:35 <aquatix> ssh already has about 20s lag
Feb 07 14:30:38 <lcuk> you miss out then :P
Feb 07 14:30:43 <aquatix> meh :P
Feb 07 14:30:49 <Stskeeps> aquatix: everyone is downloading penguin porn
Feb 07 14:31:00 <aquatix> well, post, i'll be able to see in the log
Feb 07 14:31:07 <lcuk> penguinbait is cowering in the corner of fosdem
Feb 07 14:31:17 <lcuk> #liqbase has the link :P
Feb 07 14:31:22 <aquatix> Stskeeps: ah, so there's what that inflatable penguin was for
Feb 07 14:31:37 * aquatix does not want to know
Feb 07 14:31:40 <Stskeeps> aquatix: furries and gnubies have things in common..
Feb 07 14:31:40 <qwerty12_N800> haha
Feb 07 14:32:09 <GeneralAntilles> <_<
Feb 07 14:32:39 <aquatix> currently in a reverse-engineering talk (gnash, flash video), RMTMP)
Feb 07 14:32:57 <Stskeeps> worst debug log i ever had to deal with was a dump of irc server traffic on a furry server..
Feb 07 14:33:25 <aquatix> *RTMP
Feb 07 14:33:46 <qwerty12_N800> Sounds like a sticky situation :/
Feb 07 14:33:47 <aquatix> Stskeeps: ick
Feb 07 14:33:58 <GeneralAntilles> Stskeeps, why did you ever agree to look?
Feb 07 14:34:08 <Stskeeps> GeneralAntilles: i didn't realize until too late :P
Feb 07 14:34:21 <aquatix> ``The googles, they do nothing!'
Feb 07 14:34:31 <aquatix> *goggles
Feb 07 14:34:33 <aquatix> damn lag
Feb 07 14:36:32 <dexterk> can I install the ubuntu jaunty software to maemo os 2008?
Feb 07 14:37:03 <Stskeeps> no, except with easy ubuntu qole's working on
Feb 07 14:37:17 <dexterk> qole's working?
Feb 07 14:37:23 <dexterk> where can I see it
Feb 07 14:37:30 <Stskeeps> he mentioned it on iTT
Feb 07 14:37:42 <dexterk> oh...
Feb 07 14:37:59 <dexterk> and I really want a opera for os 2008
Feb 07 14:38:07 <GeneralAntilles> Opera sucks
Feb 07 14:38:12 <dexterk> ....
Feb 07 14:38:46 <Stskeeps> heh, HAL battery lies a bit
Feb 07 14:39:55 <Stskeeps> hal battery says 14400 mins till battery low, BME says 10173 min
Feb 07 14:44:17 <wazd> oh, I have a classmates meeting right now)
Feb 07 14:44:43 <wazd> Not so cool as FOSDEM beer party but still beer party :)
Feb 07 14:45:02 <qwerty12_N800> No penguins I hope :)
Feb 07 14:45:27 <wazd> well, only a couple of girls maybe : ))
Feb 07 14:46:06 <aquatix> wazd: :)
Feb 07 14:46:28 <aquatix> there wheren't much girls at the fosdem beer event ;)
Feb 07 14:46:59 <wazd> my keyword is beer, not girls :)
Feb 07 14:46:59 <lcuk> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMXp0Dg_UaY
Feb 07 14:47:11 <wazd> I'm a good boyfriend :)
Feb 07 14:47:16 <aquatix> :)
Feb 07 14:47:19 <aquatix> same here
Feb 07 14:47:23 <aquatix> damn great beer btw
Feb 07 14:47:34 <aquatix> head.. still.. buzzing... ;)
Feb 07 14:49:26 <qwerty12_N800> Now, to get your mind of beer, you should drink hildon water ;)
Feb 07 14:49:38 <qwerty12_N800> s/of/off/
Feb 07 14:49:38 <infobot> qwerty12_N800 meant: Now, to get your mind off beer, you should drink hildon water ;)
Feb 07 14:50:31 <wazd> lcuk: nice video)
Feb 07 14:52:02 <lcuk> yes wazd :)
Feb 07 14:52:23 <lcuk> i am so pleased with the zooming effect :)
Feb 07 14:52:29 <thopiekar> lcuk: n1 work!
Feb 07 14:55:33 <Stskeeps> daperl: did you do C btw?
Feb 07 14:55:42 <lcuk> thopiekar, n1?
Feb 07 14:55:48 <Stskeeps> nice one? :P
Feb 07 14:56:40 <lcuk> doh!
Feb 07 14:57:21 <Stskeeps> lcuk: heh, who needs clutter when you have liqbase
Feb 07 14:57:37 <lcuk> ;)
Feb 07 14:57:42 <Stskeeps> (seriously though)
Feb 07 14:58:17 <Firebird> Hey guys, would there be any recent update that would turn touchscreen and key sounds on and cause this: http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/5369/dsc03807hb0.jpg ?
Feb 07 14:58:33 <lcuk> Firebird, you missed the youtube vid
Feb 07 14:58:41 <Firebird> hm?
Feb 07 14:58:48 <lcuk> that looks corrupted
Feb 07 14:59:04 <Firebird> it does it everywhere but the fanoush boot screen
Feb 07 14:59:14 <Stskeeps> Firebird: there's a new Xomap in the new one
Feb 07 14:59:26 <lcuk> turn it off take battery out - let it fully cool down for a couple of hours and check then
Feb 07 14:59:28 <Stskeeps> lcuk: seriously though - experiment: how quick can you enable xv overlay and scrape the current X screen and resize it?
Feb 07 14:59:36 <Firebird> I've done that several times :/
Feb 07 14:59:42 <lcuk> damn bman
Feb 07 14:59:47 <lcuk> which system is this in
Feb 07 15:00:00 <lcuk> Stskeeps, not that quickly, it needs a conversion from rgb to yuv
Feb 07 15:00:11 <Firebird> blah, guess its reflash time :/
Feb 07 15:00:33 <lcuk> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMXp0Dg_UaY
Feb 07 15:00:35 <Stskeeps> lcuk: isn't there accelerated rgb in newest xomap?
Feb 07 15:00:53 <lcuk> there might be, but the innards of liqbase current system work on yuv
Feb 07 15:01:11 <Stskeeps> mm
Feb 07 15:01:17 <lcuk> it was the principle reason why i split it as a library
Feb 07 15:01:18 <daperl> Stskeeps, did you mean, "do I do C"
Feb 07 15:01:23 <Firebird> wow nice
Feb 07 15:01:29 <lcuk> hopefully we can make an alternative rgb backend
Feb 07 15:01:45 <Stskeeps> daperl: .. i need someone to implement a hald-addon-bme, i have the specs but cannot code it myself for various reasons :)
Feb 07 15:02:11 <Stskeeps> lcuk: i would be entirely satisfied with that as a WM really :P
Feb 07 15:02:38 <Stskeeps> would make the iphone people shit their pants
Feb 07 15:02:39 <Stskeeps> :P
Feb 07 15:03:00 <lcuk> :)
Feb 07 15:03:10 <lcuk> i didnt do it for iphone people, i did it for me
Feb 07 15:03:14 <Stskeeps> hehe
Feb 07 15:03:15 <Stskeeps> i know
Feb 07 15:03:43 <lcuk> by the way :P rate the bloody video someone please :'(
Feb 07 15:04:51 <Stskeeps> done
Feb 07 15:05:03 <daperl> Stskeeps, let me get some coffee and run some errands and I'll get back to you
Feb 07 15:05:14 <Stskeeps> k
Feb 07 15:05:35 <Stskeeps> lcuk: i would even use that on a big touchscreen too
Feb 07 15:05:47 <Stskeeps> and include some gesture stuff
Feb 07 15:05:49 <lcuk> :) it works really nicely on my x41
Feb 07 15:06:10 <lcuk> i wanna buy an asus eee desktop touch thingy but i cant afford one
Feb 07 15:06:14 <lcuk> but it will run sweet on it
Feb 07 15:06:31 * thopiekar has rated the clip with 5stars..
Feb 07 15:06:46 <lcuk> i need a sane linux distro underneath it to make it work though :)
Feb 07 15:07:07 * Jaffa spots his buttons in the libliq demo :0
Feb 07 15:07:16 <lcuk> :) yeah jaffa
Feb 07 15:07:57 <Jaffa> It's looking good
Feb 07 15:07:58 <lcuk> i wanted to test real things and your buttons are so clear and recognisable and nice
Feb 07 15:08:11 * Jaffa blushes
Feb 07 15:08:13 <wazd> I think that UI will be good for "Post-it stickers" app
Feb 07 15:08:29 <lcuk> wazd, that calendar baseline is going to be a sharable real calendar
Feb 07 15:08:33 <daperl> I've been getting my a*ss kicked trying to move the Diablo kernel up a version or two, so, who knows, maybe I could use an easier chance of success
Feb 07 15:08:40 <Stskeeps> daperl: *nod*
Feb 07 15:08:43 <lcuk> with real hand notes and crosses on the days just like your real celendar on the wall
Feb 07 15:09:08 <lcuk> when its shown zoomed out its just like when you are looking from across the room
Feb 07 15:09:28 <lcuk> it conveys information that you cannot get from <robot>TEXT INPUT ON CALENDAR DAYS</robot>
Feb 07 15:10:06 <lcuk> i need it to share calendar with me and tracy and also for showing on my x41 pinboard next to me
Feb 07 15:10:20 <lcuk> (big daddy)
Feb 07 15:10:34 <Stskeeps> GeneralAntilles: curious question, is reverse engineered information about tablet internals (in this case, BME information) a big no-no on maemo.org?
Feb 07 15:11:04 <wazd> lcuk: well, that kind of calendar will be a nice showcase toy I think. But not a serious PIM competitor :)
Feb 07 15:11:11 <Stskeeps> not BME blow-up-BME stuff, but BME-get-battery-information
Feb 07 15:11:18 <wazd> lcuk: as for notes it's totally ideal
Feb 07 15:11:20 <Jaffa> Stskeeps: I don't see a problem with it
Feb 07 15:11:44 <Stskeeps> especially since they offered us the bloody protocol in DSM, it is a bit -too- easy :P
Feb 07 15:11:49 <lcuk> wazd :) its perfect for me and tracy and thats all i want - its expandable enough to allow -cal entries as well as the real handwritten ones
Feb 07 15:11:53 <lcuk> its just a data view
Feb 07 15:12:04 <lcuk> should be customizable and sharable by others
Feb 07 15:12:28 <lcuk> if they make a better layout widget that uses other things they can share em with friends
Feb 07 15:13:45 <wazd> ahhh, that's the source of your "shareable changable UI" fury :)
Feb 07 15:13:53 <lcuk> :)
Feb 07 15:14:11 <lcuk> i want you to supply a really nice layout, but also for me to make one and for someone else to make one
Feb 07 15:15:03 <lcuk> but regular users can just select from a range of available views
Feb 07 15:15:33 <wazd> Well, I have different purposes with OMW)
Feb 07 15:16:04 <lcuk> not really, you are making a layout for showing weather data, most regular users cant change it but advanced ones can
Feb 07 15:16:14 <lcuk> the only thing missing from omw is sharing those alternative layouts
Feb 07 15:16:30 <lcuk> which is what i was getting at :)
Feb 07 15:16:40 <wazd> I want to make one good UI that people will not want to change)
Feb 07 15:16:46 <lcuk> but they will
Feb 07 15:16:51 <wazd> who?
Feb 07 15:16:54 <lcuk> everyone has different ideas and levels
Feb 07 15:17:05 <lcuk> i cant read half your stuff on that page on device
Feb 07 15:17:11 <lcuk> i dont want 2 halves of info
Feb 07 15:17:15 <wazd> I really never heard about alternative layout for OMW by now
Feb 07 15:17:17 <lcuk> i just want to know the weather now
Feb 07 15:17:44 <lcuk> ive seen threads about customizing bits and what to show and how big things are and stuff
Feb 07 15:17:55 <roope> If you make it good enough, people won't think of wanting to change it.
Feb 07 15:18:03 <roope> Only if the UI bugs them then they would want to change it.
Feb 07 15:18:08 <lcuk> roope, have you seen the video
Feb 07 15:18:13 <roope> nope.
Feb 07 15:18:24 <Jucato> is there an identi.ca and twitter app(let) for diablo? so far only seen mauku.but dunno if it does identi.ca yet
Feb 07 15:18:25 <lcuk> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMXp0Dg_UaY
Feb 07 15:18:27 <roope> wazd: having said that, I'd really like to change the current layout draft. ;)
Feb 07 15:18:35 <roope> coolio.
Feb 07 15:19:24 <wazd> roope: well, I've made some fontsize changes http://s55.radikal.ru/i150/0902/9d/347152e1460c.jpg
Feb 07 15:19:35 <wazd> roope: it should be readable now
Feb 07 15:19:56 <qwerty12_N800> Jucato, mauku does twitter
Feb 07 15:19:58 <roope> Yes, the main text now is more readable.
Feb 07 15:21:04 <Jucato> qwerty12_N800, how about identi.ca?
Feb 07 15:21:25 <wazd> OMW is still open sourced so you can change whatever you want :)
Feb 07 15:21:52 <wazd> But we will not spend time on sharing and changing adaptation
Feb 07 15:21:53 <qwerty12_N800> Nope. Don't think anything for identi.ca exists for tablet - @ Jucato
Feb 07 15:22:26 <Jucato> qwerty12_N800, *sad face*
Feb 07 15:23:27 <wazd> anyway, you can change the wallpaper :) http://s55.radikal.ru/i148/0902/90/1b3b775e7a71.jpg
Feb 07 15:32:39 <Jucato> I followed the instructions to boot from a flash card, using the internal card. is it normal that the cloned system is almost 2x bigger than the original?
Feb 07 15:32:54 <Stskeeps> yes, it's compressed in flash
Feb 07 15:33:02 <Jucato> aaah
Feb 07 15:33:03 <qwerty12_N800> Yes. jffs2 is a compressed fs, ext* is not
Feb 07 15:33:18 <Jucato> hehe I should have made the partition 1.5GB then ;)
Feb 07 15:33:35 <Jucato> nah, still 500MB to use up :)
Feb 07 15:43:49 * lcuk clicks and zooms on liqbase and smiles some more
Feb 07 15:44:28 <Firebird> ?
Feb 07 15:45:11 <lcuk> Firebird, did you not see the video
Feb 07 15:45:56 <Firebird> not to the end
Feb 07 15:46:57 <lcuk> :P maybe you should
Feb 07 15:48:45 <suihkulokki> apparently openmoko packages are not much cleaner condition that mer packages
Feb 07 15:49:16 * suihkulokki is watching stream from fosdem
Feb 07 15:52:04 <Stskeeps> suihkulokki: at least we have more saner packages these time :P
Feb 07 15:52:13 <Stskeeps> we did try to improve some things :>
Feb 07 15:53:06 <suihkulokki> Stskeeps: where are the mer package sources these days?
Feb 07 15:53:18 <Stskeeps> repository.mer.tspre.org or code.launchpad.net/m-r
Feb 07 15:59:47 <stv0> damn
Feb 07 15:59:50 <stv0> W: GPG error: ftp://ftp.mozilla.org chinook Release
Feb 07 16:00:03 <stv0> everytime i want to update my apt cache
Feb 07 16:00:19 <stv0> i already searched for the key
Feb 07 16:00:20 <qwerty12_N800> It's a warning, not an error.
Feb 07 16:00:42 <stv0> W: GPG error: ftp://ftp.mozilla.org chinook Release: Die folgenden Signaturen konnten nicht überprüft werden, weil ihr öffentlicher Schlüssel nicht verfügbar ist: NO_PUBKEY AE384AC3584BD4D6
Feb 07 16:00:42 <stv0> E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.
Feb 07 16:00:54 <qwerty12_N800> that's an error.
Feb 07 16:02:41 <stv0> what can i do?
Feb 07 16:02:59 <qwerty12_N800> dpkg --configure -a ?
Feb 07 16:03:00 <stv0> i didn't find this pubkey in the net
Feb 07 16:03:29 <stv0> doesnt't help, next time i want to update i have the same problem
Feb 07 16:04:25 <Stskeeps> ok, BME information @ http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Documentation/BME_Protocol
Feb 07 16:04:27 <qwerty12_N800> Like I said, it's a warning. Leaving it there isn't gonna kill you.
Feb 07 16:04:43 <Stskeeps> stv0: dpkg --configure -a gives what error?
Feb 07 16:05:15 <stv0> no error
Feb 07 16:05:25 <stv0> just on updating my cache
Feb 07 16:05:30 <Stskeeps> ran out of space? :P
Feb 07 16:05:31 <lcuk> X-Fade, emergency!
Feb 07 16:05:36 <Stskeeps> (check df -h)
Feb 07 16:05:48 <lcuk> my blog posting from slashdot to planet has merged the youtube link :'(
Feb 07 16:06:33 <stv0> are 3.2M enough?
Feb 07 16:06:40 <Stskeeps> stv0: sounds a bit low..
Feb 07 16:08:46 <stv0> any possibility to extend my root partition?
Feb 07 16:08:57 <stv0> i just installed a bunch of apps there
Feb 07 16:08:58 <Stskeeps> clone to SD :P
Feb 07 16:09:39 <stv0> the complete root partition?
Feb 07 16:09:48 <Stskeeps> yeah, it's possible
Feb 07 16:09:49 <stv0> is there a tutorial for this?
Feb 07 16:09:53 <Stskeeps> ~clone
Feb 07 16:09:54 <infobot> well, clone is a clone card - i.e. a worthless, unreliable piece of junk.  Is all that extra headache really worth the few dollars you're about to save?
Feb 07 16:09:58 <Stskeeps> or not..
Feb 07 16:11:41 <qwerty12_N800> ~boot-sd
Feb 07 16:11:42 <infobot> extra, extra, read all about it, boot-sd is https://wiki.maemo.org/Booting_from_a_flash_card
Feb 07 16:12:19 <RzR> there is a debian nas conf video stream now : http://www.newlc.com/en/2009-events-fosdem-now-wmc-next
Feb 07 16:13:24 <stv0> what about just create a new partition for /usr on my sd card?
Feb 07 16:14:20 <Stskeeps> cant assume it will respect fstab at bootup
Feb 07 16:23:27 <Stskeeps> daperl: when you're back, what i'm pondering is developing 'Implement hald-addon-bme open source based on dummy BME and Mer/Documentation/BME_Protocol' (see Mer/Sprints/0.8 on wiki)
Feb 07 16:32:03 * b-man updates his facebook profile and applys some patches to merinstaller
Feb 07 16:32:28 * lcuk laughs at b-man
Feb 07 16:32:38 * lcuk dreads to think what his facebook looks like
Feb 07 16:33:03 <b-man> na, not too bad ;)
Feb 07 16:33:45 <b-man> (in fact, it's pritty empty)
Feb 07 16:46:17 <p13|2nd> hi
Feb 07 16:46:40 <p13|2nd> i was wondering if someone could help me with a hardware issue i'm having
Feb 07 16:46:57 <p13|2nd> my N810 won't charge
Feb 07 16:47:17 <p13|2nd> i was using it and all of a sudden it said recharge battery (even though it was supposed to be charging) and immediately turned off
Feb 07 16:47:31 <p13|2nd> then it started endlessly rebooting
Feb 07 16:47:43 <p13|2nd> now it won't even do that anymore, i just get the nokia logo and it powers off
Feb 07 16:47:43 <p13|2nd> so
Feb 07 16:47:50 <p13|2nd> something tells me, it's not charging at all
Feb 07 16:48:47 <p13|2nd> any ideas ?
Feb 07 16:48:54 <p13|2nd> i just got this secondhand and i guess i got ripped off
Feb 07 16:49:46 <matanZ> Did you try another charger?
Feb 07 16:49:56 <p13|2nd> don't have any handy
Feb 07 16:50:11 <p13|2nd> it detects the charger though
Feb 07 16:50:33 <p13|2nd> and it's not just a pin because if i don't plug in the charger to the mains and plug it in to the tablet, it does nothing at all
Feb 07 16:50:48 <p13|2nd> when i plug the charger into the mains and the tablet, it tries to boot but doesn't get anywhere
Feb 07 16:51:14 <matanZ> The charger might supply some current, but not enough to charge the battery.
Feb 07 16:52:58 <p13|2nd> my sis has one let's see
Feb 07 16:53:04 <qwerty12> Is it a AC-3X?
Feb 07 16:53:07 <b-man> lcuk; http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1208523387&ref=name
Feb 07 16:53:11 <p13|2nd> yes
Feb 07 16:53:19 <qwerty12> From my experience, AC-3x's don't work with the n800
Feb 07 16:53:26 <p13|2nd> ah no AC-3B
Feb 07 16:53:41 <qwerty12> 4x's & 5x's work fine
Feb 07 16:54:00 <qwerty12> yep, same thing, just different connector from the UK model (AC-4X) I'd take it
Feb 07 16:54:18 <p13|2nd> yeah i'm in belgium
Feb 07 16:54:39 <p13|2nd> different charger, same issue
Feb 07 16:54:50 <daperl> Stskeeps, I'm studying it and making a list of questions in my head
Feb 07 16:55:24 <p13|2nd> it just wants to boot as soon as i plug it in and then when the nokia logo (blue text, not the hands) appears it just shuts off
Feb 07 16:55:28 <p13|2nd> and i can't turn it on anymore
Feb 07 16:56:40 <p13|2nd> would a busted battery cause that ?
Feb 07 16:56:49 <qwerty12> A quick question, is it a really dirty hack to make the characters in a game go at twice their speed? I've replaced "characterDesc[actor->character].speed" with "characterDesc[actor->character].speed * 2;" and can't help wondering if it's clean enough :/
Feb 07 16:57:27 <p13|2nd> i must say the back cover isn't totally flush with the case but it's mere millimeters
Feb 07 16:57:39 <p13|2nd> and when i take the cover off, the battery comes out pretty easily
Feb 07 16:57:58 <p13|2nd> i used to own a 770 and taking out the battery wasn't hard but it never just fell out
Feb 07 16:58:08 <qwerty12> I've had this problem lots of times (I've bought about 6 chargers in total), and for me it was a charger issue :/
Feb 07 16:58:27 <p13|2nd> does your battery just fall out as well when you take off the back cover ?
Feb 07 16:59:12 <qwerty12> Nope, it stays in but this is on a N800 so I don't know if the N810 has a slighly looser mechanism (on the N800, it's tight for sure - I had to use a knife to get my battery out for the first few weeks)
Feb 07 17:00:01 * b-man shudders about using a knife on his n800
Feb 07 17:00:24 <p13|2nd> well this is an N810 and all i can say is compared to the 770
Feb 07 17:00:28 <p13|2nd> this battery is WAY loose
Feb 07 17:02:31 * qwerty12 sends his c-dogs port to the autobuilder. I guess people will have to live with the speed hack :)
Feb 07 17:12:01 <RST38h> moo all
Feb 07 17:12:10 <qwerty12> hi RST38h
Feb 07 17:12:14 <p13|2nd> right, i've been reading about this issue some more
Feb 07 17:12:18 <p13|2nd> seems like it happens a lot
Feb 07 17:12:21 <p13|2nd> and it's not a charger issue
Feb 07 17:12:30 <p13|2nd> http://blog.homac.de/?p=58
Feb 07 17:13:19 <qwerty12> I'm pretty sure that's for when your N8x0 doesn't come on at all
Feb 07 17:13:36 <p13|2nd> it will come on briefly and then just power off
Feb 07 17:15:38 <p13|2nd> aha, what battery should be in it ?
Feb 07 17:15:44 <p13|2nd> mine has a BP-4L
Feb 07 17:15:57 <dmsuperman> Holy wow: http://www.amazon.com/Nokia-N810-Portable-Internet-Tablet/dp/B000Y4AH3C/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1234025909&sr=1-5
Feb 07 17:16:00 <qwerty12> BP-4L is the standard N810 battery
Feb 07 17:16:04 <p13|2nd> ah ok
Feb 07 17:16:05 <Firebird> anyone else experiencing this? http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/5369/dsc03807hb0.jpg
Feb 07 17:18:02 <RST38h> http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/gizmodo/2009/02/Isophone-water-calling-concept.jpg
Feb 07 17:18:06 <RST38h> Umgh
Feb 07 17:19:06 <qwerty12> wtf, just get a waterproof phone
Feb 07 17:20:22 <RST38h> qwerty: I'm afraid to think about it, but it looks like the virtual reality glasses johnx always wanted, gone terribly wrong
Feb 07 17:21:02 <qwerty12> hehe
Feb 07 17:34:05 <puffandstuff> elloH
Feb 07 17:34:55 <p13|2nd> right
Feb 07 17:35:04 <puffandstuff> Hello
Feb 07 17:35:12 <p13|2nd> oh internet tablet, why hast thou forsaken meeh ?
Feb 07 17:35:12 <puffandstuff> A general question : Is there any xorg implementation able to use OpenGL ES to have HW acceleration please ?
Feb 07 17:36:26 <p13|2nd> don't know
Feb 07 17:36:29 <p13|2nd> can't even get it to boot
Feb 07 17:39:31 <RST38h> Anyone can tell me whether the new Canola v11 is worth trying?
Feb 07 17:39:44 <lfelipe> RST38h: it definately is
Feb 07 17:39:58 <lfelipe> beautiful, fast, an amazing experience overall
Feb 07 17:40:40 <puffandstuff> Does maemo uses x11 ? with HW graphic acceleration ?
Feb 07 17:40:56 <lfelipe> I can't even describe how much joy it gives me
Feb 07 17:41:10 <lfelipe> also, I'm one of the developers, but that shouldn't change what I just said
Feb 07 17:42:22 <FireFox> puffandstuff: no, but you can use software acceleration
Feb 07 17:43:00 <puffandstuff> FireFox, Do you know about any X11 implementation wich support graphic HW acceleration using OpenGLES please ?
Feb 07 17:44:00 <MoRpHeUz> RST38h: definitely =)
Feb 07 17:45:05 <FireFox> there are no hw acceleration drivers available that are compatibile with the tablets unfortunately :( - and there is no implimentation for X11 hw acceleration.
Feb 07 17:45:42 <suihkulokki> no opengl es based acceleration, but video acceleration exists
Feb 07 17:45:59 <puffandstuff> FireFox, i meant in xegl implementation, x11 may run on top of glitz etc ..
Feb 07 17:48:47 <FireFox> you might need to ask lcuk about that; lcuk, you here? :)
Feb 07 17:56:38 <p13|2nd> guys, what charger is the n810 supposed to come with in europe ?
Feb 07 17:56:59 <qwerty12> My N800, from the UK, came with a AC-4X
Feb 07 17:57:21 <p13|2nd> I have one AC-3B and AC-3X here
Feb 07 17:57:44 <qwerty12> AC-3 series are useless with the tablets. Get an 4* or a 5*
Feb 07 17:59:44 <p13|2nd> is the thing supposed to charge over USB ?
Feb 07 17:59:49 <qwerty12> nope
Feb 07 17:59:52 <p13|2nd> k
Feb 07 18:00:33 <qwerty12> There's http://shop.nokia.co.uk/nokia-uk/product.aspx?sku=3501382&culture=en-GB available but that uses the charger socket
Feb 07 18:01:51 <p13|2nd> right
Feb 07 18:02:03 <p13|2nd> so, you'd say that this is the charger ?
Feb 07 18:02:38 <p13|2nd> all i can say is that i got the message to "charge the batter"y while it was supposed to be charging
Feb 07 18:02:44 <p13|2nd> at least it showed it was charging
Feb 07 18:02:53 <p13|2nd> then it got into a boot loop
Feb 07 18:03:02 <qwerty12> When I was using my AC-3X, it said it was charging and then it went off :)
Feb 07 18:03:04 <p13|2nd> now it just shows the nokia logo and then powers off
Feb 07 18:03:23 <p13|2nd> sounds the same then doesn't it ?
Feb 07 18:03:40 <qwerty12> Yep, it's what happened to me when I was using a AC-3x - the exact same.
Feb 07 18:03:49 <p13|2nd> motherf*
Feb 07 18:07:10 <Vulcanis> well
Feb 07 18:07:18 <Vulcanis> USB doesn't provide enough to charge and power it, right?
Feb 07 18:07:22 <Vulcanis> so wouldn't you need to shut it down
Feb 07 18:08:06 <p13|2nd> it's kind of permanently shut down ;?
Feb 07 18:08:08 <p13|2nd> ;
Feb 07 18:08:11 <p13|2nd> anyway
Feb 07 18:08:24 <p13|2nd> i'm off to my mom's place, she said she had another nokia charger i could try
Feb 07 18:08:31 <p13|2nd> later guys and thanks for the help
Feb 07 18:09:02 <qwerty12> Bye, good luck with the charger
Feb 07 18:10:19 <johnx_> m00f
Feb 07 18:10:26 <qwerty12> hi johnx_
Feb 07 18:10:37 <johnx_> coming at you live from a netcafe :)
Feb 07 18:12:23 <qwerty12> Goddamn, maemo.org finds new ways to fucking piss me off
Feb 07 18:12:26 <Stskeeps> lo johnx_
Feb 07 18:12:52 <johnx_> I think I'm going to regret being out this late tomorrow O_o;
Feb 07 18:12:56 <johnx_> ...when I'm at work
Feb 07 18:12:58 <johnx_> hey Stskeeps
Feb 07 18:14:27 * Stskeeps wonders why libhildon won't build on debian-armel
Feb 07 18:14:48 <johnx_> bringing mer to debian?
Feb 07 18:15:01 <Stskeeps> johnx_: bringing mer to armv4t
Feb 07 18:15:17 <johnx_> that's what I thought
Feb 07 18:15:28 <Stskeeps> not a focus but just fun thing i was bored with
Feb 07 18:16:20 <thopiekar> cu
Feb 07 18:18:00 * johnx_ is somewhat curious about the kindle2...
Feb 07 18:19:50 <FireFox> hello, Stskeeps
Feb 07 18:19:57 <Stskeeps> 'lo bman
Feb 07 18:20:07 <FireFox> :)
Feb 07 18:20:18 <johnx_> mornin' b-man
Feb 07 18:20:40 <b-man> hi, johnx :)
Feb 07 18:23:51 <RST38h> hey, johnx
Feb 07 18:25:26 <b-man> Stskeeps; how did you get wierless up in mer?, because even though i have a re-built version of tablet-wierless from mer installed, network manager still cannot see the device. :/
Feb 07 18:27:24 * b-man is going crazy without wierless :P
Feb 07 18:27:48 <johnx_> hey RST38h. how goes it with you on this fine staurday night?
Feb 07 18:27:52 <qwerty12> can't blame you, no wireless is the reason I dont use mer :p
Feb 07 18:28:11 <b-man> heh
Feb 07 18:28:12 <RST38h> johnx: not very well, thank you
Feb 07 18:28:54 <RST38h> johnx: you wanted vr glasses? Here: http://i.gizmodo.com/5148673/swimming-pool-isolation-helmet-telephone-concept-is-the-worst-idea-since-unsliced-bread !
Feb 07 18:29:14 <dymaxion> hi
Feb 07 18:29:19 <johnx_> RST38h: saw those and I also saw a nice one-eye piece on akihabaranews
Feb 07 18:30:02 <dymaxion> anyone know how to change the font size on gpesummary applet. it's way too large.  googling no luck... thanks
Feb 07 18:30:39 * RST38h kinda hoped to gross johnx out
Feb 07 18:30:41 <dymaxion> also wanna change the transparency colour / % too
Feb 07 18:30:46 <RST38h> Ah, another time =)
Feb 07 18:31:17 <johnx_> heh. I was just trying to figure out exactly what I want in a VR display the other night
Feb 07 18:31:34 <johnx_> hmm...but actually VR is really a misnomer
Feb 07 18:31:39 <johnx_> I want more of a basic HUD
Feb 07 18:31:48 <b-man> qwerty12: http://www.wipeoutpure.com/ :) - really sweet visual/sound effects
Feb 07 18:32:16 <RST38h> johnx: I am pretty sure all you want is an image unobtrusively projected at the corner of your glasses
Feb 07 18:32:31 <RST38h> because that is what everyone wants at the end
Feb 07 18:32:53 <johnx_> RST38h: yup. even one eye would be fine. I've learned that all I really need is one working eye for 90% of what I do :)
Feb 07 18:33:06 <qwerty12_N800> b-man, hehe, i remember playing the demo on my psp (if that was meant to be addressed to me :))
Feb 07 18:33:28 <b-man> i have that game :)
Feb 07 18:33:46 <RST38h> johnx: should become Borg then!
Feb 07 18:34:05 <RST38h> install a Deadly Red Laser Beam (tm) instead of the second
Feb 07 18:34:15 <qwerty12_N800> b-man, I could never bring myself to get the iso^H^H^H UMD :)
Feb 07 18:34:26 <johnx_> only thing I really miss is depth perception sometimes :/
Feb 07 18:34:36 <b-man> hehe
Feb 07 18:34:57 <johnx_> no fun trying to play catch or baseball. and ping pong is a pain unless I'm right behind the ball
Feb 07 18:35:38 <johnx_> RST38h: http://www.akihabaranews.com/en/news-17497-Nikon+Media+Port+UP300x+Head-Mounted+Display+PMP%2C+the+Review.html
Feb 07 18:35:45 * b-man wonders how cool it would be to have a maemo/gnome theme based off of that
Feb 07 18:36:12 <b-man> @qwerty12
Feb 07 18:36:37 <RST38h> johnx: with the Laser you will be able to incinerate the ball in the air
Feb 07 18:36:42 <qwerty12_N800> psst, andrewfblack :)
Feb 07 18:37:01 <johnx_> RST38h: and a battery pack the size of a couple car batteries...
Feb 07 18:37:19 <RST38h> johnx: Well the one at akihabara link is far from unobtrusive but it is integrated with headphones to mask that shortcoming :)
Feb 07 18:37:37 <RST38h> johnx: naaah, 5W will do the ball nicely
Feb 07 18:37:53 <johnx_> yeah. so positive point: only covers one eye. negative: covers both ears ...
Feb 07 18:38:16 <johnx_> errr...I have doubts about
Feb 07 18:38:17 <RST38h> (see wickedlasers wares)
Feb 07 18:38:27 <johnx_> 5W getting a ball in the air before it hits me
Feb 07 18:51:00 * RST38h has now got a fully working TI85 emulator that looks like the real ti85
Feb 07 18:51:08 <RST38h> (thanks to wazd)
Feb 07 18:51:27 <qwerty12_N800> woot! :) ETA for the public? :)
Feb 07 18:52:03 <johnx_> hey, that's actually pretty awesome
Feb 07 18:52:26 <Proteous> ppffff, hp48 all the way
Feb 07 18:52:32 <Proteous> TI was for n00bs
Feb 07 18:52:44 <johnx_> you can keep your weird-ass reverse polish notation
Feb 07 18:52:52 <Proteous> RPN == better
Feb 07 18:53:04 <Proteous> more like programing
Feb 07 18:53:06 <johnx_> if by better you mean dumb, then yes
Feb 07 18:53:18 <johnx_> more like programming in forth
Feb 07 18:53:25 <RST38h> qwerty: As soon as I figure out why it crashes with floating point exception when SWAP button is pressed
Feb 07 18:53:36 <qwerty12_N800> heh :/
Feb 07 18:53:49 <RST38h> I am now lazily adding TI86 support, but do not expect it in the first release
Feb 07 18:57:52 <gfather1> hello guys
Feb 07 18:57:58 <johnx_> hi
Feb 07 18:58:19 <gfather1> is there localization projects for maemo yet ?
Feb 07 18:59:28 <qwerty12_N800> For what language?
Feb 07 18:59:42 <gfather1> arabic
Feb 07 19:00:19 <qwerty12_N800> I think locales-extras has Arabic locales
Feb 07 19:01:00 <qwerty12_N800> I know there's support for displaying Arabic characters for sure, lemme check locales
Feb 07 19:01:12 <gfather1> ok
Feb 07 19:01:34 <RST38h> there is support for hebrew, someone specifically worked on it
Feb 07 19:01:58 <RST38h> my guess is that arabic will be somewhat similar
Feb 07 19:02:08 <gfather1> that meen bidi support is available
Feb 07 19:02:13 <gfather1> which is good news
Feb 07 19:02:38 <gfather1> but rendering arabic charectures is diffrent from hebrew
Feb 07 19:02:54 <gfather1> but it shouldnt be that hard if bidi was supported
Feb 07 19:02:59 <qwerty12_N800> Can't find Arabic locales for OS2008 :/
Feb 07 19:03:20 <gfather1> seems nobody worked on it yet
Feb 07 19:03:39 <gfather1> well i can help in localizing to arabic
Feb 07 19:04:06 <gfather1> menues , applications , stuff , keyboard
Feb 07 19:04:48 <qwerty12_N800> there's http://tyros.leb.net/nokia/n800/ but I don't think that installs locales for the menu :/
Feb 07 19:05:14 * qwerty12_N800 wonders if an Arabic font will work with Urdu well, my parents are always on at me...
Feb 07 19:06:34 <RST38h> qwerty: I am sure there is a roman transcription for it, is there?
Feb 07 19:07:08 <qwerty12_N800> Not sure :/
Feb 07 19:07:09 <gfather1> thats only arabic keyboard , and fonts , for web browsing
Feb 07 19:07:38 <gfather1> well i did the first arabic keyboard for android ;) , but i didnt make a wiki age yet
Feb 07 19:08:25 <gfather1> with the help from a hebrew guy , have to give the credit , as it was the source from his keyboard
Feb 07 19:11:09 <Lamo> hello, is anyone in here using the LCARS theme? I really like it however when using it i am unable to see any text from rtcomm messages.
Feb 07 19:11:55 <gfather1> well if there is an interest in doing arabic localiztion , i would be happy to do it
Feb 07 19:17:17 <qwerty12_N800> If you get the locales for OS2008 (they're scattered around - may be easier to do 'for a in /usr/share/locale/en_GB/LC_MESSAGES/*.mo; do msgunfmt $a -o $a.po; done'), you probably can just merge the old ones from locales-extras for those available and maybe translate other strings yourself.
Feb 07 19:17:46 <gfather1> qwerty12_N800 where could i download the locals from ?
Feb 07 19:18:12 <gfather1> i dont have N800
Feb 07 19:19:37 <qwerty12_N800> Hmm, http://repository.maemo.org/pool/diablo/free/ has the en_GB ones for many apps like the desktop, control panel for the latest OS2008 version scattered around (with names like l10n)
Feb 07 19:20:24 <gfather1> oks
Feb 07 19:20:25 <sp3000> Lamo: the way I read bug 1716  is that the theme could be fixed to alter that text color specifically
Feb 07 19:20:59 * sp3000 is a bit uncertain about the comments
Feb 07 19:22:03 <qwerty12_N800> I think it's a bug in the app itself which expects white everywhere - at least app mgr was fixed to remove the same problem in app mgr
Feb 07 19:22:06 <gfather1> qwerty12_N800 hmm , very very confusing to know wich file to wich
Feb 07 19:22:16 <gfather1> *which
Feb 07 19:22:41 <RST38h> Another carder spam
Feb 07 19:22:53 <RST38h> Is anyone buying into these?
Feb 07 19:23:37 <Lamo> sp3000, you have a link to that bug with solution?
Feb 07 19:24:35 <qwerty12_N800> gfather1, a few examples: http://repository.maemo.org/pool/diablo/free/h/hildon-application-manager-l10n-public/ (en_GB locale for the application manager), http://repository.maemo.org/pool/diablo/free/h/hildon-fm-l10n-public/ (file manager locale), http://repository.maemo.org/pool/diablo/free/h/hildon-control-panel-l10n-public/ (control panel)
Feb 07 19:25:56 <gfather1> qwerty12_N800 thanks , this should help more
Feb 07 19:26:21 <gfather1> and i could edit them easily with text editor , right ?
Feb 07 19:26:28 <sp3000> Lamo: I do, since my irc client is friendly enough to linkify "bug 1716" :P
Feb 07 19:26:34 <sp3000> https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1716
Feb 07 19:27:11 <Lamo> thank you
Feb 07 19:27:16 <gfather1> qwerty12_N800 thanks , last question , how could i test them , is there emulater or someting ?
Feb 07 19:27:46 <qwerty12_N800> gfather1, yep, they're just plain text files which must be turned into mo files with msgfmt when done. but dedicated editors such as poedit exist
Feb 07 19:27:59 <gfather1> yes , i cheked them ,. po files :)
Feb 07 19:28:45 <qwerty12_N800> gfather1, hmm, there is N8x0 emulatin support in QEMU svn head version but it requires N8x0 to get some required files :/
Feb 07 19:30:01 <gfather1> qwerty12_N800> not with sdk ?
Feb 07 19:30:02 <gfather1> strange
Feb 07 19:30:53 <gfather1> qwerty12_N800 we have forgoten something , what about the menu layout ?
Feb 07 19:31:19 <qwerty12_N800> gfather1, hmm, yes actually - publically available strings probably could be tested with sdk but you'll have to install quite a few things as the sdk's gui environment is pretty much lacking
Feb 07 19:32:04 <gfather1> qwerty12_N800 u know thats its a rtl language , and the menues shoudl be right to left
Feb 07 19:32:20 <qwerty12_N800> No idea wrt the menu layout :/, but the menu program & desktop are open source
Feb 07 19:32:56 <gfather1> seems i need to do allot of work here
Feb 07 19:33:26 <qwerty12_N800> It would probably be easier if you had a real device :p
Feb 07 19:33:36 <gfather1> thats true :(
Feb 07 19:34:11 <gfather1> and i should talk to the dev team to , as if its gonan take allot of time from me , @ least it should be official localization
Feb 07 19:34:25 <gfather1> right ?
Feb 07 19:34:26 <b-man> qwerty12_N800; http://www.bman.maemobox.org/MainSite.swf    :D
Feb 07 19:34:51 <gfather1> i dont want to spend months of localiztions for nothing
Feb 07 19:35:36 <qwerty12_N800> gfather1, the guy who did the OS2006 one was an nokia employee and i've never seen an Arabic locale two years later...
Feb 07 19:35:47 <qwerty12_N800> b-man, waiting for MicroB :)
Feb 07 19:36:14 <gfather1> qwerty12_N800 is there somoen from dev team here , i can talk to ?
Feb 07 19:36:29 <gfather1> * someone
Feb 07 19:36:36 <b-man> hehe :) - i managed to get ith inner-workings of that site from wget ;)
Feb 07 19:36:56 <b-man> re: the :P
Feb 07 19:37:49 <wazd> now I'm here)
Feb 07 19:38:17 <b-man> wazd: http://www.bman.maemobox.org/MainSite.swf  XD
Feb 07 19:38:17 <qwerty12_N800> b-man, haha, nice :D
Feb 07 19:38:23 <b-man> :)
Feb 07 19:38:24 <qwerty12_N800> wazd, hi :)
Feb 07 19:39:00 <qwerty12_N800> gfather1, dunno, if there is, they're hidden :). maybe maemo-developers mailing list may help
Feb 07 19:40:53 <gfather1> you think i should use mailing list to contact them
Feb 07 19:41:00 <gfather1> will they be interested ?
Feb 07 19:41:50 <wazd> b-man: I pressed "europe" and it hanged :(
Feb 07 19:42:58 <b-man> try this: http://www.wipeoutpure.com
Feb 07 19:43:45 <gfather1> qwerty12_N800 thanks for ur help , i have to go now , but ill try to contact them in some way, ill come back later , if you had any extra info , ill be greatfull ,
Feb 07 19:43:49 <b-man> the one i showed you isn't complete)
Feb 07 19:45:29 <wazd> b-man: oh, have you done this?)
Feb 07 19:45:49 <b-man> no :p, i found it ;)
Feb 07 19:47:06 <lcuk> :)
Feb 07 19:47:25 <b-man> hey, lcuk :)
Feb 07 19:47:40 <lcuk> hiya b-man
Feb 07 19:48:13 <wazd> I was fricking only guy at the meeting :)
Feb 07 19:48:32 <wazd> Like king of the Pride xD
Feb 07 19:48:53 <qwerty12_N800> so, how much girls were there? :D (or penguins :P)
Feb 07 19:49:04 <wazd> about 16 :)
Feb 07 19:49:18 <wazd> Not all of thew were penguins actually :P
Feb 07 19:49:35 <qwerty12_N800> haha, bet you enjoyed yourself being there :D
Feb 07 19:49:43 <wazd> yeeeeaaah xD
Feb 07 19:49:55 <qwerty12_N800> lol :D
Feb 07 19:50:12 <wazd> It's nice to see how little girls became mature women :)
Feb 07 19:51:53 <wazd> If I'll find my d-slr I'll post some of the photos :)
Feb 07 19:54:48 <wazd> is there any footage from the fosdem?
Feb 07 19:58:56 * lcuk glides in and out
Feb 07 20:01:40 <Corsac> wazd: Debian devrooom has live stream
Feb 07 20:02:02 <lcuk> link?
Feb 07 20:03:19 <Veggen> good geeky/nerdy girls are worth waiting for, being that kind oneself :)
Feb 07 20:03:47 <Veggen> <---found his girlfriend in the LUG :)
Feb 07 20:06:00 <lbt> lcuk: watcha doing gliding?
Feb 07 20:06:22 <lcuk> lbt, take a look http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMXp0Dg_UaY
Feb 07 20:07:24 <lbt> I take it all the ice inspired you... :D
Feb 07 20:07:41 <lcuk> what ice?
Feb 07 20:08:07 <Corsac> lcuk: http://video.debconf.org:8000/Debian_dev_room.ogv
Feb 07 20:08:11 <lbt> you looked out the window recently?
Feb 07 20:08:12 <Corsac> but you know, it's over for today now
Feb 07 20:08:20 <Corsac> lcuk: it'll restart tomorrow by 10 (CET)
Feb 07 20:08:53 <lcuk> thats a bit of a pain, im hopefully sleeping then lol
Feb 07 20:08:59 <lcuk> lbt, ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh the light goes on
Feb 07 20:09:12 <lcuk> im thinking wtf does in car entertainment have to do with liqbase
Feb 07 20:09:33 <lbt> <Grin>
Feb 07 20:09:49 <RST38h> wazd: Hey, I have got ti85 working
Feb 07 20:10:00 <lcuk> RST38h, did u see as well :D
Feb 07 20:10:03 <RST38h> wazd: Wanna do an icon for it? (the usual svg)
Feb 07 20:10:27 <RST38h> lcuk: What? =) I have been away, doing some artwork
Feb 07 20:10:43 <lcuk> just up there is a video
Feb 07 20:10:52 <RST38h> oh a video
Feb 07 20:11:00 * RST38h does not normally watch internet videos
Feb 07 20:13:36 <RST38h> lcuk: cool! what is it for? =)
Feb 07 20:14:30 <lcuk> its the foundations for my playground :)
Feb 07 20:15:14 <RST38h> lcuk: make it an app already =)
Feb 07 20:15:36 <lcuk> liqbase is an app already :)
Feb 07 20:15:45 <lcuk> the new framework will have liqbase in it as well
Feb 07 20:16:54 <lcuk> why are you so concerned about me having a specific single "thing" anyway?  i have never had one specific thing that ive wanted to do on a computer, its a multifunction multipurpose device
Feb 07 20:17:38 <RST38h> lcuk: not saying it should do a single thing
Feb 07 20:17:49 <RST38h> lcuk: saying it should do a limited set of things well
Feb 07 20:18:46 <lcuk> like fullscreen kinetic autoscrolling bookreader, fast efficient note taking, the most stable camera app, the nicest playground for messing with stuff, easy to use menus and stuff
Feb 07 20:18:55 <RST38h> Meanwhile in .FR: http://www.reuters.com/article/lifestyleMolt/idUSTRE5135E320090204?feedType=RSS&feedName=lifestyleMolt&rpc=22&sp=true
Feb 07 20:18:56 <lcuk> it does everything i want it to do at that point.
Feb 07 20:19:24 <RST38h> lcuk: you really have to have a single concept to merge all these into an app
Feb 07 20:19:43 <lcuk> they are all together and i use it everyday
Feb 07 20:19:47 <RST38h> lcuk: for example, a spreadsheet merges several different uses into a single concept
Feb 07 20:19:58 <lcuk> concept : usable touch friendly ui
Feb 07 20:20:05 <lcuk> with whatever apps i want in it
Feb 07 20:20:07 <lcuk> i have mine
Feb 07 20:20:15 <RST38h> ui is usually supposed to do something
Feb 07 20:20:39 <RST38h> Let us say, you have got an endless desktop with easily zoomable documents on it
Feb 07 20:20:42 <RST38h> THAT is a concept
Feb 07 20:20:47 <lcuk> ive got it
Feb 07 20:20:57 <lcuk> every single note i create endlessly goes on
Feb 07 20:21:09 <RST38h> Well, if you work toward creating an app based on this concept alone, that would be wonderful
Feb 07 20:21:34 <RST38h> you would get your paint app + book reader + photo taker/viewer
Feb 07 20:21:57 <RST38h> But remove everything that does not fit the endless-desktop-with-zoomable-docs
Feb 07 20:21:58 <lcuk> http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/liqbase/
Feb 07 20:22:00 <lcuk> download it now
Feb 07 20:22:05 <RST38h> Yes, I did
Feb 07 20:22:25 <lcuk> then i dont see your point?
Feb 07 20:23:08 <lcuk> (note for others reading, thats the older liqbase using the original ui)
Feb 07 20:23:09 <RST38h> Well, what I downloaded looked like a technology demo)very good one)
Feb 07 20:23:29 <lcuk> yeah, and its incomplete and full of personal compromises
Feb 07 20:23:33 <RST38h> Wasn't a complete app though
Feb 07 20:23:37 <lcuk> so i have been working towards making it better
Feb 07 20:24:13 <RST38h> based on that video, I would say you are working towards experimenting with more concepts
Feb 07 20:24:39 <RST38h> that is nice of course, but there is still no complete app based on that endless-desktop thing
Feb 07 20:24:48 <lcuk> that video is closer to what i wanted to do originally but couldnt because of technical issues
Feb 07 20:25:31 <lcuk> if i had font support (like i have in vb) i wouldv been scaling at the start
Feb 07 20:26:15 <lcuk> the calendar principle has been wanted from the start, that was my original intent with the way i store sketches
Feb 07 20:26:39 <RST38h> you mean, in a matrix, by day?
Feb 07 20:26:48 <lcuk> but i couldnt make it look good with pure white only fixed resolution fonts
Feb 07 20:26:53 <lcuk> yeah
Feb 07 20:27:07 <lcuk> i want a calendar that i can zoom to quickly and draw on like a real calendar
Feb 07 20:27:14 <lcuk> that i can share with tracy
Feb 07 20:27:19 <lcuk> and view on my x41
Feb 07 20:28:00 <RST38h> ah
Feb 07 20:28:12 <RST38h> btw, casio also uses a calendar view in its cameras
Feb 07 20:28:22 <lcuk> i dont want an icon of a calendar, and i dont want text written under each day - i want to be able to mark a day with a red X or something if i desire
Feb 07 20:28:49 <lcuk> obviously typed cal entries are useful as well
Feb 07 20:29:17 <lcuk> but thats not in my head, other people will be able to help with that part if they want it
Feb 07 20:30:15 <lcuk> the modules in current liqbase are very modular already, but they suffer from a massive codebase.  now that i have dynamic module support its easier for a person to get involved or make their own
Feb 07 20:30:42 <lcuk> (or for me to just create as many as i want on a whim without setting up tonnes of dev env)
Feb 07 20:32:57 <wazd> liqbase will become emacs :)
Feb 07 20:33:04 <lcuk> no it wont
Feb 07 20:33:08 <lcuk> thats what i stopped
Feb 07 20:33:10 <RST38h> not until he bolts lisp on top
Feb 07 20:33:11 <wazd> it will boil coffee, wash the car :)
Feb 07 20:33:33 <RST38h> but I have heard lcuk is already working in this direction ;)
Feb 07 20:33:57 <lcuk> RST38h, lisp is ugly, it will be basic :P
Feb 07 20:34:13 <wazd> lcuk: I think it would be better to have separate apps for sketching, calendar and so on
Feb 07 20:35:01 <lcuk> wazd :) its all sketching
Feb 07 20:35:08 <lcuk> the calendar is part of it
Feb 07 20:35:11 <RST38h> wazd: By calendar he means the calendar-based top view
Feb 07 20:35:17 <lcuk> agreed the book reader isnt
Feb 07 20:35:30 <RST38h> wad: it is actually useful to organize sketches by date
Feb 07 20:35:44 <RST38h> lcuk: Actually, book (document) reader is well inside the concept
Feb 07 20:35:55 <lcuk> RST38h, no, wazd is right, i also want to be able to mark on something for next month and see what tracy is doing etc
Feb 07 20:36:00 <RST38h> lcuk: You load documents, read them, an dsketch on top of them
Feb 07 20:36:23 <RST38h> lcuk: it would be an excellent app, if it were complete
Feb 07 20:36:29 <lcuk> but havign a dynamic front end is best where the user can choose how their playground looks
Feb 07 20:36:49 <lcuk> so if they dont want the book reading or the calendar it doesnt have to be there
Feb 07 20:37:03 <lcuk> and if someone comes up with something else it can be added easily
Feb 07 20:38:39 * RST38h wonders if he can manage to make emulator quit when ti85 bios tells cpu to shut down
Feb 07 20:48:57 <timelE61i> hi
Feb 07 20:49:32 * timelE61i wonders if people have tried the english package
Feb 07 20:51:25 <lfelipe> lcuk: where is the video ?
Feb 07 20:52:33 <timelE61i> lcuk?
Feb 07 20:52:40 <lcuk> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMXp0Dg_UaY
Feb 07 20:52:42 <timelE61i> I got a rfe for liqbase
Feb 07 20:52:49 <lcuk> rfe?
Feb 07 20:52:58 <timelE61i> The pen width needs to be customizable
Feb 07 20:53:35 <timelE61i> Oh, and there was something else too
Feb 07 20:53:57 <lcuk> theres about a billion things, send me a patch and ill integrate it :P
Feb 07 20:54:00 <timelE61i> Oh yes, the reader needs some encoding support
Feb 07 20:54:04 <lcuk> i know about the pen thing
Feb 07 20:54:14 <timelE61i> It ruined my french licenses
Feb 07 20:54:34 <lcuk> no it doesnt timelE61i :) what the reader needs is a documented API so other people can add formats as required
Feb 07 20:54:52 <lcuk> THAT is on the roadmap for the reader, i cant do everything :)
Feb 07 20:55:03 <timelE61i> As long as it includes those by default :)
Feb 07 20:55:10 <lfelipe> lcuk: hehe, cool
Feb 07 20:55:21 <lcuk> yes the pen width is the last thing i need before i can do the next thing
Feb 07 20:55:55 <timelE61i> my young customer will be happy
Feb 07 20:56:04 <timelE61i> She said sketch was better ;-)
Feb 07 20:56:05 <lcuk> my young customer is already happy
Feb 07 20:56:05 <lfelipe> gotta try it
Feb 07 20:56:25 * timelE61i sighs
Feb 07 20:56:31 <lcuk> the biggest drawing requests ive had are more connected single page, pen width and a bloody eraser
Feb 07 20:56:36 <lfelipe> though I've already given up on trying to use electronic devices for note taking and etc.
Feb 07 20:57:00 * timelE61i has bugs for maemo mine+drac+traffic too
Feb 07 20:57:03 <wazd> in fact it's very intersting to see how two radicaly different apps can live together within one platform :)
Feb 07 20:57:12 <lcuk> lfelipe, i use it for fragments not whole paragraphs - its like a postit but quick enough to do many
Feb 07 20:57:30 <timelE61i> oj, also..
Feb 07 20:57:31 <lfelipe> lcuk: yes, but do you eventually get around to doing anything with them later ?
Feb 07 20:57:34 <lfelipe> I mean
Feb 07 20:57:42 <lfelipe> don't they just get lost afterwards ?
Feb 07 20:57:49 <timelE61i> I couldn't figure out what to do when it asked me for my name
Feb 07 20:57:53 <lcuk> no, i have the very first note i took with it
Feb 07 20:57:57 <wazd> liqbase strives total customizability and multi-functionality. OMW strives consistency and to do one thing well :)
Feb 07 20:58:01 <lcuk> i can scroll back to the very start
Feb 07 20:58:15 <timelE61i> And i .. Why are sketches and photos distinct?
Feb 07 20:58:19 * lfelipe has never been able to use any planner/calendar/etc.
Feb 07 20:58:30 <lcuk> timelE61i, :) they wont be for long
Feb 07 20:59:08 <lcuk> the calendar widget preview in the video is how i want it - natural looking and me and the missus know what a red star in the corner of a day means
Feb 07 20:59:33 <lfelipe> they all eventually become like blackholes
Feb 07 20:59:52 <lfelipe> everything goes in, nothing comes out
Feb 07 20:59:53 <lfelipe> :P
Feb 07 20:59:53 <lcuk> not at all, i can see the little men drawn on my calendar here
Feb 07 21:00:17 <lcuk> i would know if something is on a day just like when i look at my paper calendar on the wall i know if something is wrote on a day
Feb 07 21:00:24 <lcuk> i might not be able to read it until i move closer
Feb 07 21:00:29 <lcuk> but i know its there at a glance
Feb 07 21:00:47 <lfelipe> lcuk: but that's my problem, I don't look
Feb 07 21:01:09 <lfelipe> I mean, I jot down notes and stuff, but I never remember to go and look "hey, do I've anything to do today?"
Feb 07 21:01:23 <lfelipe> hey, anyone knows who runs planet.maemo ?
Feb 07 21:01:44 <timelE61i> um, a fleet of emergency vehicles just went by
Feb 07 21:02:03 <qwerty12_N800> lfelipe, think it's X-Fade
Feb 07 21:02:05 <timelE61i> LfelipE: bugs.maemo.org
Feb 07 21:02:52 <lfelipe> I posted about canola's new release yesterday, but it hasn't appeared so far
Feb 07 21:02:53 <lcuk> timelE61i, hows fosdem goin btw
Feb 07 21:02:59 <lfelipe> dunno if it's just a natural lag or something
Feb 07 21:03:38 <lfelipe> bleh, already know why
Feb 07 21:03:41 <lfelipe> wrong category
Feb 07 21:03:57 <timelE61i> oK
Feb 07 21:04:14 <mavhc> first rule of bug hunting: blame yourself
Feb 07 21:04:45 <lcuk> timelE61i, are you at the meal yet?
Feb 07 21:04:53 <timelE61i> no
Feb 07 21:04:58 <lfelipe> mavhc: or blame someone else and then secretly check to see if it's not you :P
Feb 07 21:05:00 <timelE61i> I'm heading downtown now
Feb 07 21:05:00 <lcuk> mavhc, thats the last rule once all others have been exhausted
Feb 07 21:05:12 <timelE61i> Not sure if i'll go to maemo or mozilla
Feb 07 21:05:13 <lcuk> did anything exciting happen in daytime then?
Feb 07 21:05:38 <mavhc> I did end up finding a bug in the OS's printed documentation once
Feb 07 21:05:49 <timelE61i> not much... I spoke to a few people and mostly listened to the moz stuff
Feb 07 21:06:20 <lcuk> cool
Feb 07 21:06:41 <timelE61i> hrm
Feb 07 21:06:52 <timelE61i> I think i need to kick someone
Feb 07 21:06:56 <timelE61i> Possibly me
Feb 07 21:07:15 <lcuk> heh why now
Feb 07 21:08:07 <timelE61i> I think in my localization if you aren't connected and tap the connectivity icon it shows "(none)"
Feb 07 21:08:30 <qwerty12_N800> yep
Feb 07 21:09:19 <timelE61i> it should probably say (no connection) - ?
Feb 07 21:09:25 <timelE61i> Opinions?
Feb 07 21:10:00 <lcuk> lol i think you should have a straw poll at the dinner table tonight :D
Feb 07 21:10:19 <lcuk> the label should say (stop working and have fun at the fosdem/maemo dinner) :P
Feb 07 21:10:24 * qwerty12_N800 likes "not connected", dunno if correct
Feb 07 21:10:45 * lcuk has never clicked the connectivity icon
Feb 07 21:13:48 <timelE61i> I don't like "Not connected" because it could be the name of a wifi network
Feb 07 21:14:11 * timelE61i should name one that @work
Feb 07 21:14:17 <timelE61i> and yes, i know ()s are fair game too, but...
Feb 07 21:17:12 <b-man> hehe, i'm building a webpage on my ftp site :) http://www.bman.maemobox.org/
Feb 07 21:43:51 * daperl wondering if pidgin is working
Feb 07 21:47:30 <RST38h> Broadband Cut Entirely From Stimulus Bill
Feb 07 21:47:32 <RST38h> Ehehe
Feb 07 21:47:46 <qwerty12_N800> daperl, get a real irc client :)
Feb 07 21:48:11 <mavhc> the internet is full of communists, p2per and open sourcers, never made anyone any money
Feb 07 21:48:41 <RST38h> you mean, you can't drill it for oil?
Feb 07 21:49:15 <Stskeeps> mavhc: i'm a combination of those and i make money;)
Feb 07 21:49:35 <mavhc> pfft, statistical anomoly
Feb 07 21:50:04 <daperl> qwerty12_N800, i just switched back to my n800, but maybe i'll try pidgin again
Feb 07 21:50:12 <mavhc> I do find it hilarious seeing the politicians with big printed cards, don't they have a projector and a laptop?
Feb 07 21:50:30 <RST38h> Sts: You are Dutch. Thus, not being classified as "anyone"
Feb 07 21:50:45 <Stskeeps> i am not dutch!
Feb 07 21:50:50 <qwerty12_N800> haha
Feb 07 21:51:05 <RST38h> Sts: Remember, for those guys the world ends at the US maritime borders.
Feb 07 21:51:12 <Stskeeps> i'm danish. :P
Feb 07 21:51:19 <b-man> lol
Feb 07 21:51:29 <Stskeeps> we don't allow nearly as much weed
Feb 07 21:51:37 <daperl> you're food
Feb 07 21:51:52 <RST38h> Sts: See? Americans can't even tell your nationality correctly!
Feb 07 21:52:00 <b-man> XD
Feb 07 21:52:01 <qwerty12_N800> daperl, heh, could never get to grips with pidgin but I have a thing for xchat in windows, tablet & in ubuntu :)
Feb 07 21:52:09 * RST38h smirks
Feb 07 21:53:58 <daperl> qwerty12_N800, i'm happy w/ konversation on my kubuntu machine, thanks for the ubuntu/x-chat tip
Feb 07 21:54:11 <RST38h> ok, sleep time
Feb 07 21:54:38 <qwerty12_N800> daperl, hehe, I hate kde too but i won't go into it :D
Feb 07 21:56:00 <daperl> which kde? :) i use a 3 and a 4
Feb 07 21:56:23 <lcuk> Stskeeps, pronouncing "mer" is fucking horrid
Feb 07 21:56:41 <lcuk> "meer" "mere" "moar"
Feb 07 21:57:17 <qwerty12_N800> daperl, Kde 4 mainly :). Kde 3 worked & was a lot more stable for me but it just seems "too much" for me tbh :)
Feb 07 21:57:38 <crashanddie> What's the meaning of Mer btw? Maemo Extreme Revolution?
Feb 07 22:01:18 <daperl> qwerty12_N800, i'm trying to be agnostic, but ubuntu can be frustrating, i'm gonna give kde 4.2 a try soon, but generally i have few complaints
Feb 07 22:03:58 <qwerty12_N800> yeah, I'm not really a fan of nautilus I must admit. And I do find if I have an sftp session via gnome-vfs open and the connection has messed up, I find starting things like gedit takes ages until I remember and open nautilus to unmount the session.
Feb 07 22:08:06 <daperl> qwerty12_N800, maybe since i've been using vi for 23+ years i don't notice WM-based tools much
Feb 07 22:08:56 <daperl> just give me a browser and a terminal... and xchat?
Feb 07 22:10:10 <derf> WM's are a tool that allows you to have lots of xterms open.
Feb 07 22:10:49 <qwerty12_N800> Heh, a long time. I keep promising myself that I'm gonna run vimtutor but I never do so I know the rudimentary vi stuff
Feb 07 22:11:06 <daperl> xterm in xterm... in xterm
Feb 07 22:11:09 <qwerty12_N800> s/know/only know
Feb 07 22:11:26 <wnd> strictly speaking you don't need wm for that. you can always ask your terminal emulator to open its window at given coordinates.
Feb 07 22:11:48 <derf> wnd: Tabs.
Feb 07 22:12:04 <derf> And multiple desktops.
Feb 07 22:12:18 <sp3000> and ponies.
Feb 07 22:12:28 <wnd> at least when I'm coding I want to see all related terminals at once
Feb 07 22:12:38 <wnd> right now I only have three, but sometimes there are more
Feb 07 22:12:53 <daperl> yeah, i usually have 6 tabs going; 3 per side-by-side window
Feb 07 22:13:45 <wnd> three rxvts side-by-side, and vim is usually split into two windows
Feb 07 22:13:54 <wnd> separate desktops are for separate tasks
Feb 07 22:14:33 <wnd> and thus I'd rather call those things "workspaces"
Feb 07 22:14:52 <derf> I have 27 tabs open rigt now, on just this desktop.
Feb 07 22:15:10 <daperl> boom!
Feb 07 22:15:29 <wnd> how can you find the one you need?-)
Feb 07 22:15:52 <daperl> i only know 26 words
Feb 07 22:15:54 <wnd> I often see people swapping between tens and tens of tabs (or windows), looking for "that one"
Feb 07 22:17:22 <daperl> how can i switch my nn from one xchat to another?
Feb 07 22:18:34 <daperl_> NICK daperl
Feb 07 22:19:51 * daperl_ is trying to be daperl
Feb 07 22:20:00 <qwerty12_N800> /nick daperl
Feb 07 22:20:32 <daperl_> i tried that, i also logged out of the other xchat
Feb 07 22:22:04 <wnd> I don't know about freenode but some networks reserve nicks for a few moments. if you can't change nick right now (as in server says it's not available), try again later.
Feb 07 22:22:29 <qwerty12_N800> hmm, odd, should work. maybe nickserv wants you to /id due to it being registered.
Feb 07 22:22:31 <wnd> I mean reserves the nick after the user quits
Feb 07 22:23:37 <daperl> i think all is cool now, i had to leave the unreg channel
Feb 07 22:30:40 <daperl> qwerty12_N800: you there?
Feb 07 22:34:49 <daperl> qwerty12_N800: is anyone smoothly running diablo with a Mer or NITdroid kernel?
Feb 07 22:35:38 <daperl> s/qwerty12_N800//
Feb 07 22:35:39 <infobot> daperl meant: : is anyone smoothly running diablo with a Mer or NITdroid kernel?
Feb 07 22:39:07 <qwerty12_N800> daperl, hmm, mer uses the same kernel as diablo currently . I've booted into Maemo with the same kernel version nitdroid uses & config file (I just changed root to 1f03 in cmdline). was a little bit more slower & I had no wireless (I didn't get round to compiling stlc45xx against that kernel). Dunno if I could have booted into Maemo with an android patched kernel because I think the touchscreen in Maemo wasn't working with android
Feb 07 22:39:07 <qwerty12_N800> modifications
Feb 07 22:42:14 <daperl> thanks
Feb 07 22:46:02 <daperl> qwerty12_N800: i don't know how to paste urls, but have you seen this: http://guug.org/nit/nitboot/ ?
Feb 07 22:47:37 <qwerty12_N800> yep :), I stole it and packaged it for Mer
Feb 07 22:49:38 <Corsac> qwerty12_N800: that means (from above) that Mer uses something like 2.6.21?
Feb 07 22:49:55 <daperl> does the wifi stuff in there not work?
Feb 07 22:50:47 <qwerty12_N800> Corsac, yep, for N8x0 Mer is still currently stuck on 2.6.21. think Stskeeps wants to change that.
Feb 07 22:50:53 <thopiekar_N800> daperl, wifi on mer work but after a while it stops working..
Feb 07 22:51:02 <daperl> or you didn't try solca's pre-compiled kernel?
Feb 07 22:51:17 <qwerty12_N800> daperl, above 2.6.21, you have to use the stlc45xx open source driver
Feb 07 22:51:57 <daperl> gotcha
Feb 07 22:52:17 <qwerty12_N800> For 2.6.21, you can just insert the open cx3110x and it's closed umac module and be happy :)
Feb 07 22:52:49 <Corsac> yeah basically I bought mine because I wanted to hack some Mobile IPv6 on it
Feb 07 22:53:00 <Corsac> (since I made that back to n770 ages)
Feb 07 22:53:58 <qwerty12_N800> I know one guy recently here compiled 2.6.21 with mipv6 :)
Feb 07 22:54:53 <daperl> qwerty12_N800: when compiling the kernel, lying about the version won't do it? bad symbol mojo?
Feb 07 22:57:52 <qwerty12_N800> daperl, no idea actually :/. I know when I compiled 2.6.21 with preempting, cx3110x didn't wanna load so I did version trickery there and it loaded under my preempt kernel fine. But that was on 2.6.21 still :/. cx3110x can be recompiled, it's just a question of whether it will do so successfully against a new kernel & if umac.ko will still wanna load
Feb 07 23:01:11 <daperl> qwerty12_N800: version trickery? hexedit on the .ko or a Makefile edit?
Feb 07 23:01:52 <crashanddie> qwerty12_N800: PM me your phone number
Feb 07 23:03:15 <qwerty12_N800> daperl, I modified the kernel, not the module. some version script in the kernel scripts folder so it wouldn't add the PREEMPT tag into the version of the kernel so the module thought it was running under a standard kernel
Feb 07 23:03:22 <qwerty12_N800> crashanddie, k, wait
Feb 07 23:03:58 <daperl> thanks
Feb 07 23:13:53 <lcuk> qwerty12_N800, is there a way to list all the packages i have installed with apt-get?
Feb 07 23:14:57 <qwerty12_N800> dpkg will tell you, lemme dig up the command
Feb 07 23:15:19 <lcuk> ta
Feb 07 23:15:49 <lcuk> i might as well document what ive installed to make my tablet a devenv :)
Feb 07 23:16:18 <Corsac> dpkg -l
Feb 07 23:16:24 <qwerty12_N800> dpkg -l :)
Feb 07 23:16:35 <fireun> dpkg is obscure
Feb 07 23:17:01 <crashanddie> problem is dpkg will also list all his porn aps
Feb 07 23:17:03 <crashanddie> apps**
Feb 07 23:17:14 <Corsac> this is obscene
Feb 07 23:17:43 <crashanddie> you must be new her
Feb 07 23:17:48 <crashanddie> s/her/here/
Feb 07 23:17:50 <infobot> crashanddie meant: you must be new here
Feb 07 23:17:57 <lcuk> hot-babe is not porn
Feb 07 23:18:07 <lcuk> its an amusing cpu process meter ;)
Feb 07 23:18:07 <qwerty12_N800> naughty-northener 0.1
Feb 07 23:18:48 <Corsac> crashanddie: me?
Feb 07 23:18:59 <qwerty12_N800> dpkg -l | awk '{print $2}' if you don't want the other crap
Feb 07 23:19:02 <crashanddie> oh no: Connection to Mibbit was lost.
Feb 07 23:19:23 <crashanddie> lol... qwerty discovered the command line :)
Feb 07 23:19:41 <qwerty12_N800> :p
Feb 07 23:20:48 <lcuk> i cant find out what was installed by date can i?
Feb 07 23:21:01 <lcuk> cos it looks like the info is just these are installed
Feb 07 23:21:15 <lcuk> or whether it was manually requested or something?
Feb 07 23:21:34 <crashanddie> Corsac: if you didn't recognise the "you must be new here" line, then yeah, you must be new :P
Feb 07 23:22:05 <Corsac> yeah I'm quite new :)
Feb 07 23:22:11 <Corsac> but I know my dpkg
Feb 07 23:22:30 <qwerty12_N800> lcuk, a dirty method is to check the date of the /var/lib/dpkg/info/<package>.list. dunno if there's a better way
Feb 07 23:22:54 <Corsac> there's /var/log/dpkg.log
Feb 07 23:23:01 <lcuk> was just there seb, looks like its in order - at least all the skype stuff is there
Feb 07 23:23:09 <Corsac> but basically it gets rotated once in a while
Feb 07 23:23:21 <lcuk> and the things are in recognisable blocks - ie i know i installed "blah" and "blah"
Feb 07 23:23:34 <qwerty12_N800> Corsac, not on the tablet
Feb 07 23:23:53 <Corsac> good point
Feb 07 23:25:35 <lcuk> perfect!
Feb 07 23:25:43 <lcuk> i can see to the minute when i installed things
Feb 07 23:26:02 <lcuk> brb
Feb 07 23:29:31 <qwerty12_N800> lcuk, the "pretty" way: ls -l /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.list | awk '{print $6 " "$7" "$8}' | sed s/.list// | sort
Feb 07 23:31:09 <daperl> ls -lrt
Feb 07 23:31:31 <lcuk> im happier reading it from gui :)
Feb 07 23:31:38 <lcuk> thanks though
Feb 07 23:31:52 * lcuk would blow his machine up if he had to use the command line for everything
Feb 07 23:32:38 <crashanddie> lcuk: reflashed and SSH ready to go, awaiting your commands guv :)
Feb 07 23:34:23 <qwerty12_N800> lcuk, finally watched your liqbase 4 video, it's looking good :D
Feb 07 23:35:15 * thopiekar_N800 is away: <away|from|tablet>
Feb 07 23:38:34 <lcuk> crashanddie, got what i think is the conclusive extensive list of installs
Feb 07 23:38:50 <lcuk> its like reading my sketches, i know exactly what i was thinking when i installed x package
Feb 07 23:40:00 <lcuk> a few of what im gonna list are automatically installed as part of others, but on the whole this looks to be all the deps
Feb 07 23:41:56 <crashanddie> do I need to enable another repo than extras-devel for build-essential?
Feb 07 23:42:11 <qwerty12_N800> yep, the sdk repo
Feb 07 23:43:05 <crashanddie> url?
Feb 07 23:43:28 <qwerty12_N800> crashanddie, https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3405#c6
Feb 07 23:45:05 <GeneralAntilles> Bleh, I want an RX-51 announcement.
Feb 07 23:45:32 <wazd> GeneralAntilles: who don't :)
Feb 07 23:45:47 <GeneralAntilles> wazd, people who really love their N8x0s, probably.
Feb 07 23:46:13 <lcuk> GeneralAntilles, whats it gonna have on it
Feb 07 23:46:19 <crashanddie> lcuk: list?
Feb 07 23:46:29 <GeneralAntilles> lcuk, what's what going to have on it?
Feb 07 23:46:35 <wazd> GeneralAntilles: I love actually :)
Feb 07 23:46:37 <crashanddie> GeneralAntilles: RX-51
Feb 07 23:46:48 <crashanddie> GeneralAntilles: good evening, sir :)
Feb 07 23:46:55 <GeneralAntilles> Hi, crashanddie. :)
Feb 07 23:47:00 <wazd> GeneralAntilles: But new hardware is too exciting to be ignored)
Feb 07 23:47:04 <crashanddie> hmm, I just sir'd someone younger than me
Feb 07 23:47:10 <lcuk> the new rx-51
Feb 07 23:47:23 <GeneralAntilles> lcuk, is your question "Fremantle's too young yet to be put up for an announcement." ?
Feb 07 23:47:49 <lcuk> yeah we have had the announcement though
Feb 07 23:48:01 <GeneralAntilles> No
Feb 07 23:48:23 <GeneralAntilles> We had an announcement of intentions for what the next software release would support. ;)
Feb 07 23:48:58 <GeneralAntilles> crashanddie, best you did, else I'll send the Council's brand new set of N800 puppies after you. ;)
Feb 07 23:49:35 <crashanddie> GeneralAntilles: the council can rub it's fanny on my bollocks
Feb 07 23:49:45 <crashanddie> s/it's/its/
Feb 07 23:49:46 <infobot> crashanddie meant: GeneralAntilles: the council can rub its fanny on my bollocks
Feb 07 23:50:06 <crashanddie> no disrespect though
Feb 07 23:50:34 <crashanddie> (the good thing is, most foreigners won't understand that sentence)
Feb 07 23:50:49 <GeneralAntilles> So you hope.
Feb 07 23:51:02 <crashanddie> wazd: what did I just say?
Feb 07 23:51:48 <crashanddie> I rest my case
Feb 07 23:53:16 <wazd> crashanddie: you know, that sentence is not the hardest in the world to comprehend evn for me)
Feb 07 23:53:52 <wazd> If you want some homosexual relations with council members - say it straight :)
Feb 07 23:54:31 <crashanddie> wazd: I know you think you understood what I said, but what you heard was not what I meant.
Feb 07 23:54:54 <wazd> crashanddie: I really hope so)
Feb 07 23:55:03 <GeneralAntilles> Yeah, wazd, your voice synthesis sucks. :P
Feb 07 23:55:34 <crashanddie> wazd: "fanny" quite disqualifies "homosexual" when used in the same sentence as "bollocks", just saying :)
Feb 07 23:55:47 <GeneralAntilles> Ha
Feb 07 23:55:49 <GeneralAntilles> So he wishes
Feb 07 23:56:36 <wazd> GeneralAntilles: my voice synthesis maybe sucks, but my gay alert not :D
Feb 07 23:56:39 <crashanddie> GeneralAntilles: now now Ryan, don't tell me I have to re-explain flowers and butterflies again to you
Feb 08 00:01:17 <GeneralAntilles> I wonder when the Fremantle stars are actually gonna get the support.
Feb 08 00:09:44 <wazd> GeneralAntilles: And what support would it be :)
Feb 08 00:10:33 <GeneralAntilles> wazd, http://maemo.org/news/announcements/0eb8fdfeedec11ddb28e1b3c4d7b308a308a/
Feb 08 00:11:20 <wazd> GeneralAntilles: yes, but will there be some wise guy that will consult bout Clutter for example
Feb 08 00:11:37 <GeneralAntilles> wazd, I don't know.
Feb 08 00:12:04 <wazd> GeneralAntilles: that's the question :)
Feb 08 00:12:29 <GeneralAntilles> wazd, well, my recommendation, if that's what you need, ask.
Feb 08 00:13:37 <wazd> GeneralAntilles: since our applet is tied with desktop - first of all we need to see the desktop itself :)
Feb 08 00:13:50 <GeneralAntilles> Hehe, well, beta SDK. ;)
Feb 08 00:13:51 <wazd> GeneralAntilles: so we're just waiting for UI release
Feb 08 00:14:50 <wazd> GeneralAntilles: and I'm playing with layouts to have things ready asap
Feb 08 00:15:57 <wazd> we really want OMW to be such "must see" app as Canola for example
Feb 08 00:16:11 <derf> Well, at least maemo-barcode got a shoutout in the comments.
Feb 08 00:21:05 <crashanddie> omw?
Feb 08 00:21:08 <crashanddie> the weather app?
Feb 08 00:26:11 <wazd> crashanddie: yep
Feb 08 00:26:59 <crashanddie> no offense... but I mean... I don't regard a weather app as being as important as say, a media player
Feb 08 00:27:22 <crashanddie> a good media player can change my mood, a weather app is just going to ruin it (I live in England)
Feb 08 00:27:27 <crashanddie> "shit, rain again"
Feb 08 00:27:57 <GeneralAntilles> Well, they didn't ask you, crashanddie. :P
Feb 08 00:28:12 <crashanddie> well
Feb 08 00:28:38 <crashanddie> I'm just giving my opinion as to someone just even thinking a weather app could ever be a "must see"
Feb 08 00:29:04 <lcuk> but wazds mockup looks nice :)
Feb 08 00:29:05 <GeneralAntilles> Eh, it's one of the most downloaded things in Maemo
Feb 08 00:29:11 <GeneralAntilles> So, um, clearly not everybody shares your opinion.
Feb 08 00:29:19 <crashanddie> did I say so?
Feb 08 00:29:32 <crashanddie> that's why my opinion is mine
Feb 08 00:29:41 <crashanddie> there aren't many like it, and that's why this one is mine
Feb 08 00:29:59 <crashanddie> :D
Feb 08 00:30:04 <GeneralAntilles> On that note, rm_you, we need a stats-boosting release. . . .
Feb 08 00:30:15 <GeneralAntilles> Broke 50k, though, nice.
Feb 08 00:31:54 <lcuk> do update downloads count in the stats?
Feb 08 00:32:00 <lcuk> i thought it was raw installs only?
Feb 08 00:32:06 <wazd> OMW is 2k downloads behind Canola :)
Feb 08 00:32:23 <pupnik> OMW?
Feb 08 00:32:29 <wazd> OMWeather
Feb 08 00:32:33 <crashanddie> GeneralAntilles: This is my opinion. There are many like it, but this one is mine. My opinion is my best friend. It is my life. I must master it as I must master my life. Without me, my opinion is useless. Without my opinion I am useless. I must speak my opinion true. I must think straighter than my enemy, who is trying to kill me. I must speak to him before he speaks to me. I will. Before God I swear this creed: my opi
Feb 08 00:32:34 <pupnik> ok
Feb 08 00:32:39 <GeneralAntilles> wazd, I don't think that acronym has caught on yet. :P
Feb 08 00:32:52 <lcuk> GeneralAntilles, ^^ is that what happens?
Feb 08 00:33:04 <wazd> How can I teach infobot something?)
Feb 08 00:33:05 <GeneralAntilles> crashanddie, sorry, you got cut off there at the end. :P
Feb 08 00:33:07 <lcuk> a patch update on a machine gets counted in download stats?
Feb 08 00:33:26 <t_s_o> crashanddie: this is not international politics ;)
Feb 08 00:33:30 <GeneralAntilles> ~OMW is OMWeather, a weather applet for Maemo
Feb 08 00:33:31 <infobot> ...but omw is already something else...
Feb 08 00:33:37 <GeneralAntilles> ~omw
Feb 08 00:33:38 <infobot> from memory, omw is "on my way"
Feb 08 00:33:42 <crashanddie> lol
Feb 08 00:33:47 <crashanddie> good definition
Feb 08 00:33:56 <GeneralAntilles> t_s_o, Full Metal Jacket. :P
Feb 08 00:34:06 <t_s_o> GeneralAntilles: i very much know so
Feb 08 00:34:09 <wazd> ~burn himself
Feb 08 00:34:10 * infobot pours gasoline all over himself, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze
Feb 08 00:34:14 <wazd> >:(
Feb 08 00:34:22 <GeneralAntilles> t_s_o, by the way, where does your new avatar come from?
Feb 08 00:34:24 <t_s_o> one hell of a movie, i wonder when a similar one will be made about afghanistan or iraq
Feb 08 00:34:30 <GeneralAntilles> ~no OMW is OMWeather, a weather applet for Maemo
Feb 08 00:34:31 <infobot> okay, GeneralAntilles
Feb 08 00:34:36 <crashanddie> t_s_o: I hope never
Feb 08 00:34:36 <t_s_o> yanked it from somewhere ;)
Feb 08 00:34:42 <crashanddie> t_s_o: sequels always suck
Feb 08 00:35:02 <GeneralAntilles> t_s_o, Jarhead is "similar" but Iraq/Afghanistan is hardly a comparable war.
Feb 08 00:35:10 <crashanddie> I was going to say that
Feb 08 00:35:13 <wazd> Thanks General and infobot :)
Feb 08 00:35:25 <t_s_o> true, its not the same "mindgrinder"
Feb 08 00:36:25 <GeneralAntilles> t_s_o, big damn secret then, eh? :P
Feb 08 00:36:34 <t_s_o> ?
Feb 08 00:37:34 <GeneralAntilles> t_s_o, avatar. Sorry. ;)
Feb 08 00:37:50 <crashanddie> pic?
Feb 08 00:39:00 <GeneralAntilles> http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/member.php?u=8557
Feb 08 00:40:45 <GeneralAntilles> People spazzing out about the N810's USB port are silly.
Feb 08 00:40:54 <jaem> what's their issue?
Feb 08 00:40:55 <GeneralAntilles> Like it's some proprietary port Nokia came up with out of the blue.
Feb 08 00:41:12 <crashanddie> well
Feb 08 00:41:20 <crashanddie> you have to understand though
Feb 08 00:41:27 <crashanddie> that the micro-usb port is pretty much un-used
Feb 08 00:41:37 <GeneralAntilles> crashanddie, once upon a time, MiniUSB was pretty much unused too.
Feb 08 00:41:44 <jaem> microUSB cables aren't as easy to find, but at least they're standard
Feb 08 00:41:45 <crashanddie> of all the blackberries, only the blackberry storm uses it, and that's a shit phone
Feb 08 00:42:08 <t_s_o> iirc, it was a very recent addition to the usb spec when nokia started using it...
Feb 08 00:42:15 <lcuk> huzzah! im top rated science and technology on youtube today :D http://www.youtube.com/browse?t=t&p=2&s=tr&c=28&l=
Feb 08 00:42:34 <t_s_o> now its some kind of agreement between the mobile companies to use it as a standardized data/charger port...
Feb 08 00:42:59 <lcuk> what cpu/screen does the storm have
Feb 08 00:43:04 <lcuk> is it hackable hardware?
Feb 08 00:43:14 <crashanddie> lcuk: no, it's shit
Feb 08 00:43:29 <GeneralAntilles> MicroUSB is smaller and more durable.
Feb 08 00:43:36 <crashanddie> more durable?
Feb 08 00:43:48 <GeneralAntilles> crashanddie, by about a factor of 10
Feb 08 00:43:56 <jaem> how so, in particular?
Feb 08 00:44:14 <GeneralAntilles> The failure point for MicroUSB will be the cable, not the port.
Feb 08 00:44:15 <crashanddie> and smaller, excuse me, but where you can fit a 3.5mm jack port, you can fit a mini-usb
Feb 08 00:44:25 <crashanddie> I'm not saying I don't like micro-usb
Feb 08 00:44:38 <GeneralAntilles> crashanddie, smaller means there's more room for other things.
Feb 08 00:44:39 <crashanddie> I'm just saying, I'll be happy when everybody settles for one single standard
Feb 08 00:44:39 <jaem> GA: I can see that
Feb 08 00:44:54 <jaem> crashanddie: at least they didn't pick mini-A :S
Feb 08 00:45:27 <GeneralAntilles> A MiniAB port would've been nice
Feb 08 00:45:32 <GeneralAntilles> Host without having to hack up cables.
Feb 08 00:45:52 <crashanddie> GeneralAntilles: I'm looking at the micro-usb and mini-usb at the same time
Feb 08 00:45:54 <jaem> how does the host-detection work, anyways?  Is it the fifth pin?
Feb 08 00:46:11 <crashanddie> GeneralAntilles: they're as wide, and height is maybe .3mm difference
Feb 08 00:46:36 <GeneralAntilles> jaem, whether the 5th pin is grounded or floating.
Feb 08 00:46:40 <GeneralAntilles> crashanddie, http://www.intomobile.com/2007/05/27/picture-mini-vs-micro-usb.html
Feb 08 00:46:47 <GeneralAntilles> It's about a 50% difference all told.
Feb 08 00:46:49 <jaem> GA: thanks, that makes sense
Feb 08 00:47:03 <GeneralAntilles> Which when you're talking about tiny mobile devices, is a lot.
Feb 08 00:47:33 <crashanddie> GeneralAntilles: I'm talking about the "on device" size, connector might be smaller, but I'm just saying what I see
Feb 08 00:47:54 <GeneralAntilles> crashanddie, did you take two devices apart to compare on the inside, too? :)
Feb 08 00:48:07 <crashanddie> GeneralAntilles: as a matter of fact, I have
Feb 08 00:48:12 <crashanddie> well, not right now
Feb 08 00:48:31 <crashanddie> but in the past, I have, never noticed any difference in the USB modules
Feb 08 00:51:15 <GeneralAntilles> In general, people should try to be less reactionary.
Feb 08 00:51:34 <crashanddie> how so?
Feb 08 00:52:15 <GeneralAntilles> "Oh god! Nokia's using a proprietary port!!! I"M GOING TO LOSE MY HEAD!!!"
Feb 08 00:52:46 <crashanddie> allow me to repeat myself
Feb 08 00:52:49 <lcuk> ive always expected a custom port on almost any device
Feb 08 00:52:50 <crashanddie> You must be new here
Feb 08 00:52:53 <lcuk> its rare i can share a cable
Feb 08 00:53:05 <wazd> GeneralAntilles: Does it?!
Feb 08 00:53:18 <crashanddie> exhibit a
Feb 08 00:54:12 <wazd> no port will be industrial standart before it will be forced to be it
Feb 08 00:54:29 <wazd> look at 2.5mm jack
Feb 08 00:55:03 <wazd> it's better than 3.5 technically, but there's no headphones that come naturaly 2.5
Feb 08 00:55:12 <wazd> so it's useless
Feb 08 00:55:32 <crashanddie> there's more than one example that better != more popular or "winner" in the format wars
Feb 08 00:56:43 <wazd> well, 2.5 is not a rival for 3.5 it's the evolution
Feb 08 00:57:03 <wazd> but manufacturers are scared of it
Feb 08 00:57:15 <crashanddie> no they're not
Feb 08 00:57:20 <crashanddie> it's just that evolution is difficult
Feb 08 00:57:26 <wazd> they would stick with studio jack if they could :)
Feb 08 00:57:44 <crashanddie> lol... XLR headphones
Feb 08 00:57:54 <jaem> ><
Feb 08 00:57:57 <crashanddie> 48v fantom
Feb 08 00:58:18 <wazd> I'm not saying that its dead and totally replaced by 3.5
Feb 08 00:58:32 <wazd> it's the studio default
Feb 08 00:58:39 <wazd> but not portable one
Feb 08 00:58:41 <lcuk> i want headphones which by default have the double set required for  aircraft
Feb 08 00:58:45 <lcuk> they are the bomb!
Feb 08 00:58:56 <lcuk> s/the/teh/
Feb 08 00:58:56 <infobot> lcuk meant: tehy are the bomb!
Feb 08 00:58:59 <jaem> lcuk: have you seen the ones that are convertible, without an adapter?
Feb 08 00:59:03 <lcuk> fuck
Feb 08 00:59:06 <jaem> lol
Feb 08 00:59:20 <lcuk> << fail
Feb 08 00:59:32 <wazd> lcuk: I think they need proper amp to be pumped
Feb 08 00:59:38 <lcuk> and you people want me to use the console more!
Feb 08 00:59:45 <crashanddie> lcuk: I could recommend pretty good headphones :) You'll have to dash out half the price of your tablet PC though
Feb 08 00:59:58 <jaem> they make headphones that have a flip-out mono plug on the main plug, so you can plug them into a normal stereo jack, or use them on a plane
Feb 08 01:00:45 <crashanddie> jaem: yeah I've seen those, don't like them at all
Feb 08 01:00:46 <lcuk> yeah i hear ya
Feb 08 01:01:07 <crashanddie> connectors should not be made of movable parts...
Feb 08 01:01:10 * lcuk glides in and out and just smiles to himself :)
Feb 08 01:01:11 <wazd> I use my BT620 headphones thru USB connection right now :)
Feb 08 01:01:19 <jaem> crashanddie: true - I was just mentioning it FWIW
Feb 08 01:01:37 <crashanddie> jaem: sure
Feb 08 01:02:07 <jaem> my N810 is overdue for reaching the service center :(
Feb 08 01:02:23 <jaem> so I haven't been able to play with any of the shiny new stuff that's come out lately
Feb 08 01:02:29 <jaem> VBox just isn't the same
Feb 08 01:04:14 <jaem> by the way, Mer's already coming up on 0.8... is 1.0 going to be in two versions, or is the numbering changing?
Feb 08 01:04:21 <jaem> it looks like it still has a ways to go...
Feb 08 01:04:46 <crashanddie> what happened to it?
Feb 08 01:04:58 <jaem> my N810?  toasted internal MMC
Feb 08 01:04:58 <crashanddie> not mer -- your device
Feb 08 01:05:11 <crashanddie> howdyoudothat?
Feb 08 01:05:16 <jaem> I'm not entirely sure...
Feb 08 01:05:52 <jaem> but it crashed one night during church (note to self: bring paper Bible next time :P), and then wouldn't boot the next morning from the card
Feb 08 01:06:12 <jaem> and then I tried running fsck, and anything that tried to read the partition table would just hang
Feb 08 01:06:16 <jaem> plus lots of I/O errors
Feb 08 01:06:56 <jaem> the same sort of stuff that happened last time my HDD diead
Feb 08 02:20:00 <rm_you> GeneralAntilles: yeah
Feb 08 02:20:09 <rm_you> GeneralAntilles: theres actually bugfixes in to warrant it
Feb 08 02:20:25 <rm_you> GeneralAntilles: but my buildbox went down and I'm failing at remembering how to upload to extras again :P
Feb 08 02:20:28 <rm_you> i'll go look it up
Feb 08 02:36:53 <GeneralAntilles> rm_you, did you see dsme is finally out?
Feb 08 02:37:20 <rm_you> nice
Feb 08 02:41:51 <GeneralAntilles> So, when are you gonna stop having a life and code up that awesome settings dialog? :P
Feb 08 02:52:27 <rm_you> actually
Feb 08 02:52:32 <rm_you> probably in the next few weeks
Feb 08 02:55:45 <jaem> what's a general size guideline for buttons that are intended to be "finger-friendly"?
Feb 08 02:55:54 <jaem> minimum
Feb 08 02:57:27 <lcuk> "visible from orbit" is the term I use for ui elements.  make things as easy as possible to click on with anything from a finger or a stylus and stop making tiny shit thats unusable
Feb 08 02:58:30 <jaem> I'm wondering, because some people on the forums had been asking me to see if I could fix up the TI calculator emulator to work on Maemo
Feb 08 02:58:37 <jaem> and the keypad has a fair few keys
Feb 08 02:58:58 <lcuk> then you already have a template - wazd did one didnt he
Feb 08 02:59:32 <jaem> did he?  For TilEm?  There was some talk about the TI-89 emulator, but I hadn't seen anything for the TI-83 one
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