**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Feb 11 02:59:57 2009 Feb 11 06:48:27 Does anyone know how to separate the touchscreen and keyboard modules on a nokia n810? Feb 11 06:49:15 hmm Feb 11 06:49:19 I thought I saw a link once Feb 11 06:49:24 let me see if I can find it Feb 11 06:51:40 sooo...would a Nokia service manual be about what you're looking for? Feb 11 06:52:11 possibly Feb 11 06:52:23 I'm not 100% sure this is what you want, but maybe: http://www.nmacleod.com/nokia/schematics/ Feb 11 06:53:04 there's also a couple videos of an n810 being disassembled I think, but that's easy to google Feb 11 06:56:26 johnx, the sm got dissasembly instructions, now to work around not having the standard toolkit.. tyvm Feb 11 06:56:38 sure :) Feb 11 07:06:44 just bought a new memory card for my n810, but how do I access/mount it? doesn't show up in file manager Feb 11 07:07:05 my only advice is make sure it's pushed in all the way Feb 11 07:07:39 * mikem` slaps forehead Feb 11 07:07:47 "Memory card available" :D Feb 11 07:07:51 :) Feb 11 07:07:51 johnx: thanks Feb 11 07:07:57 * johnx doesn't even have an n810 Feb 11 07:08:00 sure :) Feb 11 07:10:45 "have you tried taking it out and putting it back in again" is the collolary to "have you tried turning it off and on again" Feb 11 07:10:59 * timeless sighsw Feb 11 07:11:07 how does one 'break' conflicts? Feb 11 07:11:35 mavhc, except I know that a lot people have problems with the n810 and memory cards related to them not being in all the way Feb 11 07:12:35 timeless, you mean 'repair' a situation where you have some conflicting packages installed? Feb 11 07:12:43 well, kinda Feb 11 07:12:47 not really Feb 11 07:12:53 i'm trying to add packages Feb 11 07:12:56 and things are fighting Feb 11 07:13:05 basically upstart and sysvinit don't get along Feb 11 07:13:18 yeah, not suprisingly Feb 11 07:14:18 and so you want to do what exactly? force both to be installed? Feb 11 07:14:35 yes Feb 11 07:14:47 isn't that a weird idea? Feb 11 07:15:10 they both ship /sbin/init and are both intended to do the same job Feb 11 07:15:12 apt trusts the packages over the user Feb 11 07:15:17 they _have_ to conflict Feb 11 07:15:29 and they sure shouldn't be both installed Feb 11 07:15:31 you can force dpkg to do it but then your system will probably be broken Feb 11 07:15:45 badly Feb 11 07:16:12 johnx: both bits of advice work often, it's more that it's something people haven't tried Feb 11 07:17:10 * timeless sighs Feb 11 07:17:33 timeless, at this point why even bother with packages, just unpack the .debs into / Feb 11 07:17:54 you'll end up with a broken system either way, might as well get there as fast as you can... Feb 11 07:18:11 * timeless creates dummy packages and starts installing them Feb 11 07:18:18 equivs is good for that Feb 11 07:18:34 why didn't you suggest equivs? :) Feb 11 07:18:51 because you asked how to install two packages that conflict. I assumed you cared about their contents Feb 11 07:19:03 don't assume that :) Feb 11 07:19:18 i only care about things which demand to have them Feb 11 07:19:45 ok, I will no longer assume that directly answering the questions you ask will make you happy :P Feb 11 07:19:52 thanks :) Feb 11 07:19:53 hahaha Feb 11 07:20:15 mavhc, 'turn it off and on again' is more of a reminder. but 'push the card in more' falls under the category of "I know you're worried about breaking it, but please, apply more force" :) Feb 11 07:21:03 that is the modern day dilema, how much force is too much? Feb 11 07:21:25 it's ok. china allows us to replace things Feb 11 07:21:44 hopefully this era of fragile consumer oriented devices will be over soon Feb 11 07:21:59 cellphones are already showing impressive amounts of hardiness Feb 11 07:22:04 johnx: that would be nice Feb 11 07:22:22 i always had a thing for pre 1990 hardware Feb 11 07:22:29 eh Feb 11 07:22:38 it's more of a longterm change I think :) Feb 11 07:22:40 like stereo receivers etc Feb 11 07:23:00 seemed to use a lot more metal in those days :) Feb 11 07:23:20 * Macer points at plastic cars Feb 11 07:23:48 * johnx points at flashlights vs lanterns Feb 11 07:23:51 look at Saturn. I know a plastic car when I see one Feb 11 07:24:12 they guise it under trends like "dent resistant panels" Feb 11 07:24:23 they do pop right out in many cases Feb 11 07:24:56 do they even bend? Feb 11 07:25:01 yeah Feb 11 07:25:08 the best one is the "crumple zone" Feb 11 07:25:09 :) Feb 11 07:25:13 ah Feb 11 07:25:26 oh, oops Feb 11 07:25:26 well that's for protecting the contents of the car by absorbing force Feb 11 07:25:29 * timeless forgot Feb 11 07:25:30 justifying plastic made cars by saying it is ok for it to shatter because it saves your life Feb 11 07:25:39 i don't think i have hildon-application-manager installed anymore Feb 11 07:26:01 the plastic isn't the 'crumple' part. the crumple part is part of the frame Feb 11 07:26:21 johnx: i am sure the plastic plays a role also Feb 11 07:26:34 if the body was steel it wouldn't nearly "absorb" the impact as much Feb 11 07:26:35 cars with metal skin have crumple zones Feb 11 07:27:02 plastic doesn't crumple Feb 11 07:27:10 older ones? Feb 11 07:27:22 i don't think my 1994 caprice has a crumple zone :) Feb 11 07:27:32 i think it was engineered to just kind of follow through Feb 11 07:28:47 this car has less than 0 safety features, if you drive it badly it'll shoot you in the head Feb 11 07:28:54 heh Feb 11 07:29:22 take off the dash padding and steering wheel cover and you'll have a better approximation of what I used to drive :> Feb 11 07:29:36 well.. mercedes was making crumple zones in 1959 Feb 11 07:29:41 also the interior door padding and pretty much anything that covers bare metal Feb 11 07:30:45 In simplistic terms, this is achieved by controlled weakening of outer parts of the car while strengthening the inner (passenger cabin) part of the body by using more reinforcing beams and increasingly, higher strength steels. Feb 11 07:31:15 you put it much better than I could have Feb 11 07:31:26 * timeless grumbles Feb 11 07:31:41 * timeless wonders why hildon-update-notifier conflicts w/ hildon-application-manager Feb 11 07:32:44 versions? Feb 11 07:33:07 * timeless wishses apt would explain its logic Feb 11 07:33:49 apt-cache depends foo; "foo depends on bar >1.0" and apt-cache policy bar "bar .9 will be installed" Feb 11 07:34:09 johnx: i didn't... wikipedia did haha Feb 11 07:34:13 you can also make it spit out a graphviz (sp?) compatible dependency chart Feb 11 07:34:18 if you believe wikipedia Feb 11 07:34:45 Macer, it sounds right from a high school physics perspective :) Feb 11 07:34:51 oh Feb 11 07:34:59 ham has a conflicts and replaces for hun Feb 11 07:35:02 i happened to be reading the arctic fox article and got to reproduction where a female arctic fox had a penis and laid eggs within a male which carried the pups to term Feb 11 07:35:41 and that doesn't line up with my high school biology class...soooo Feb 11 07:36:05 heh Feb 11 07:36:09 Macer: say what? Feb 11 07:36:25 yes. i never heard of mammal females laying eggs in males with a penis Feb 11 07:36:26 :) Feb 11 07:36:29 * qwerty12_N800 wonders how many people doing homework on the fox copied that :) Feb 11 07:36:37 qwerty12_N800: hahaha Feb 11 07:36:37 * johnx is out of here Feb 11 07:36:40 Macer: URL? Feb 11 07:36:50 gomiam: it has since been fixed Feb 11 07:37:08 Macer: so... it's not an issue any more? Feb 11 07:37:29 but honestly. they would have had me if a light bulb didn't go off in my head saying "What the fuck??" Feb 11 07:37:38 "No way!" Feb 11 07:38:27 but that just proved that wikipedia is not what i would consider a solid source of information :) Feb 11 07:38:32 But it could have been a transexual artic fox! Feb 11 07:38:51 qwerty12_N800: yes . i suppose a natural mutation might create such a thing ;) Feb 11 07:39:01 the chernobyl arctic fox Feb 11 07:39:15 hehe Feb 11 07:39:27 chernobyl might be too far south ;) Feb 11 07:39:30 qwerty12_N800: even worse, it could have been a transfoxy artic sex :P Feb 11 07:39:49 lol :D Feb 11 07:39:51 or just a homosexual fox saying it's normal Feb 11 07:40:06 thus giving proof that homosexual sex happens more often than people realize in nature Feb 11 07:41:40 * timeless wonders what ddxSigGiveUp is Feb 11 07:46:06 :( Feb 11 07:46:20 is there a safe mode for hildon-desktop ? :) Feb 11 07:47:30 safe mode in hildon-desktop terms means disabling non nokia applets when h-d crashes Feb 11 07:48:02 well, right now startx shows the background image Feb 11 07:48:14 when it tries to build the task navigator, x quits Feb 11 07:50:41 ok, so my problem is either a taskbar or a statusbar thing Feb 11 07:51:23 Judging from your earlier problems with the menu, I'd bank on a file in ~ somewhere being corrupt Feb 11 07:51:39 * timeless ponders Feb 11 07:51:48 so, at this point i have most of diablo Feb 11 07:52:00 i'm still missing rss feed reader Feb 11 07:52:22 oh, right Feb 11 07:52:28 how do i get a mouse cursor? :) Feb 11 07:52:33 diablo ate mine :) Feb 11 07:53:31 In maemo, you edit /home/user/.icons/default/index.theme as root and comment the inherits line & reboot Feb 11 07:53:43 morning Feb 11 07:53:50 morning Stskeeps Feb 11 07:55:01 what the heck? Feb 11 07:55:12 ~/.icon is a symlink to /usr/share/user-icons Feb 11 07:55:13 okay, timeless Feb 11 07:55:22 ~/.icon Feb 11 07:55:23 well, /.icon is a symlink to /usr/share/user-icons Feb 11 07:55:26 haha Feb 11 07:55:29 infobot forget /.icon Feb 11 07:55:30 i forgot /.icon, timeless Feb 11 07:59:23 hrm Feb 11 07:59:25 * timeless frowns Feb 11 07:59:51 qwerty: have you tried a recent version of my strings? Feb 11 08:00:03 in Mer, I'm seeing 'Global Positioning Systen" Feb 11 08:00:06 which is unfortunate Feb 11 08:01:22 timeless, I don't think I've seen any updates for a while, but yes, in hildon-control-panel; I'm seeing "Global Positioning System" Feb 11 08:01:56 i haven't pushed to extras-devel yet Feb 11 08:02:38 woot, hildon-theme-selector works! I'll work on that control panel applet when I get back from school :) Feb 11 08:03:22 timeless, ah. Same zip? :) Feb 11 08:03:30 yep Feb 11 08:03:34 ok, so um Feb 11 08:03:48 one of my hildon-desktop thingies kills hildon-desktop Feb 11 08:04:23 so it goes Feb 11 08:04:29 * Stskeeps needs coffee. Feb 11 08:04:30 You can look at the config files in ~/.osso/hildon-desktop and see what's loaded Feb 11 08:05:07 ok, feed-reader kills my desktop Feb 11 08:05:12 oops :) Feb 11 08:05:23 the h-d applet cirus is a bit of a farce anyway.. why do they run within HD anyway and not some launcher Feb 11 08:05:34 oh, i can answer that :) Feb 11 08:05:43 for the 770, they were worried about memory Feb 11 08:05:53 so they did everything they could to avoid spending memory Feb 11 08:06:08 so instead of giving each applet/statusbar item its own process Feb 11 08:06:13 yeah, but why not maemo-launcher instead? :P Feb 11 08:06:18 they designed it so they'd share a single gtk instance Feb 11 08:06:23 mm Feb 11 08:06:51 that 'design' element predates me Feb 11 08:07:08 * qwerty12 has the feeling that this will be one thing not "Fixed in Fremantle" Feb 11 08:07:26 i personally liked how a third party applet could brick your device Feb 11 08:07:38 needs a safemode Feb 11 08:07:47 * timeless asked for one Feb 11 08:08:38 It technically has one although it's annoying Feb 11 08:08:41 qwerty12: HD would be replaced ss Feb 11 08:08:41 o Feb 11 08:09:05 Just hope they're not as lazy this time :) Feb 11 08:09:47 gah Feb 11 08:09:57 iradio also kills my desktop Feb 11 08:11:09 can we can a statusbar applet called 'brick'? Feb 11 08:11:17 ok, so i can't use any of the nokia applets Feb 11 08:14:31 * timeless wonders how they broke Feb 11 08:14:39 ten bucks on /home/user reliance Feb 11 08:14:44 nope Feb 11 08:14:52 /home/user is a symlink to /home/timeless Feb 11 08:15:02 so if they manage to care about that... Feb 11 08:17:25 ehlo all Feb 11 08:17:39 um Feb 11 08:17:46 advanced-backlight killed my x Feb 11 08:18:19 ouch Feb 11 08:18:50 on vmdk, yes Feb 11 08:19:02 yeah, is someone going to fix that? Feb 11 08:19:18 not yet, we're waiting for a proper cross platform brightness thing :P Feb 11 08:19:43 is it that hard not to kill x? Feb 11 08:21:46 technically the bug would be in X, right? Feb 11 08:21:54 doubtful Feb 11 08:22:04 X crashed Feb 11 08:22:09 i don't have anything in /var/cores Feb 11 08:22:17 so i suspect it's more that hildon-desktop killed itself Feb 11 08:22:18 if I make a web page that crashes your browser, where is the bug? Feb 11 08:22:27 ah, you're right then Feb 11 08:22:37 although what bothers me is that i don't seem to get a core for that either Feb 11 08:22:49 oh brother Feb 11 08:22:57 how do i change ulimit -c from a boot hting? Feb 11 08:23:07 johnx: if you fuck with the display driver directly, dont blame x Feb 11 08:23:37 johnx: and if i remember corectly that is what rotation patch does, right? Feb 11 08:24:13 ok, i think i need to fix /etc/security/limits.conf Feb 11 08:24:16 RST38h, nope, as timeless pointed out it's adv backlight crashing hildon-desktop Feb 11 08:24:52 * timeless reboots Feb 11 08:24:54 my point above about X was more general-case, than specific to this Feb 11 08:24:57 technically i have no idea what's crashing Feb 11 08:25:05 because the system wasn't saving cores Feb 11 08:25:14 * timeless reboots and tries to crash something Feb 11 08:25:14 I'm pretty sure you're right that it's h-d Feb 11 08:25:23 h-d shuts down cos of A-B dsme communication probably Feb 11 08:25:55 hrm, /etc/osso-af-init/eal-af-services Feb 11 08:26:00 johnx: if its hildon desktop then its a different thing Feb 11 08:26:36 s/eal/real/ Feb 11 08:26:36 timeless meant: hrm, /etc/osso-af-init/real-af-services Feb 11 08:26:39 johnx: hildon desktop plugin apis are hghly unreliable judging from how unstable many applets are Feb 11 08:26:52 and how applets crash h-d so easily Feb 11 08:27:07 yep Feb 11 08:27:47 so... Feb 11 08:28:02 is changing /etc/security/limits.conf supposed to work? Feb 11 08:28:10 because i put in: Feb 11 08:28:15 * soft core 100000 Feb 11 08:28:26 and ulimit -a still shows 0 Feb 11 08:35:36 heh, the clock in the bus is showing 09:99 Feb 11 08:35:55 the end times are nigh! Feb 11 08:36:25 09 part is correct:P Feb 11 08:37:04 hi, about multitouch , where do this go ? http://www.newlc.com/en/multitouch-feature-any-screen#comment-50240 Feb 11 08:38:04 morning wazd Feb 11 08:45:46 morning all) Feb 11 09:27:05 Morning, all Feb 11 09:27:59 indeed Feb 11 09:28:45 hi jaffa Feb 11 09:28:58 * timeless is trying to get ulimit -c unlimited to cooperate Feb 11 09:29:12 it's being mean to me Feb 11 09:40:53 * timeless sighs Feb 11 09:42:33 anyone have advice on where to set ulimit -c unlimited? Feb 11 09:42:44 /etc/security/limits.conf seems to be ignoring me Feb 11 09:47:44 * timeless sighs Feb 11 09:55:50 * timeless grows more dummies Feb 11 10:05:41 what does: Feb 11 10:05:54 No apport report written because MaxReports is reached already Feb 11 10:05:55 mean? Feb 11 10:08:21 well I did grab a copy of mer 0.7 and ran it with VirtualBox... Feb 11 10:08:43 there is no python as far as I couls see Feb 11 10:09:13 python-hildon is what I'd be using to build apps Feb 11 10:09:26 timeless: all I know is that apport is Ubuntu's crash handler/reporter... Feb 11 10:11:15 * timeless is confused Feb 11 10:11:20 dpkg -l *apport* Feb 11 10:11:28 No packages foudn matching *apport*. Feb 11 10:11:35 dpkg -l dpkg Feb 11 10:11:43 ii dpkg 1.14.24ubuntu1 Feb 11 10:11:50 (typos mine) Feb 11 10:12:02 why would it complain about apport if i don't have it installed? Feb 11 10:15:30 heh Feb 11 10:15:44 * timeless has both xkb-data and xkbdata installed Feb 11 10:16:24 and xkbdata-data? Feb 11 10:26:23 hey all, does anyone know where i can get the source of almost ti-85? Feb 11 10:26:30 http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/ati85/ Feb 11 10:27:01 guysoft42, it's clearly marked non-free. Feb 11 10:28:09 you could probably work out buying a license to the source code if you were interested Feb 11 10:28:45 GeneralAntilles, how come its non-free? did marat buy a license? Feb 11 10:28:58 I will release the source code once it is semicomplete Feb 11 10:29:16 It has no direct commercial value Feb 11 10:29:36 Ah hi, RST38h ... i thought it didn't you stated so.. Feb 11 10:30:25 RST38h, i was going to blog about it.. i really liked it after figuring out its impossible to get graphical calculators in my country, as far as i searched Feb 11 10:31:41 guysoft42: is there some religious taboo against graphing calcs? =) Feb 11 10:32:34 RST38h, well it seems the demand went down.. and so did the import.. so it seems only my fellow students that have one got it eons ago Feb 11 10:32:59 craziness Feb 11 10:33:24 I've seen graphing calculators in grocery stores around here. Feb 11 10:34:10 GeneralAntilles, i looked on various places.. i have this feeling some electronics store has one somewhere Feb 11 10:34:48 General: US schools require them Feb 11 10:35:01 General: No such requirement in most countries afaik Feb 11 10:35:40 RST38h, oh? Interesting. Feb 11 10:35:41 I'm sure it's just one of the programs on the electronic dictionaries here Feb 11 10:37:27 General: Soviets provided calculators to schools in the 80s but that was mostly MK-18M (http://www.taswegian.com/MOSCOW/mk-18m.html) - a really simple calc Feb 11 10:38:06 eh. kids have cellphones now Feb 11 10:38:24 TI must make a killing off the 83/84s Feb 11 10:38:30 johnx: Those suck as calcs, unless you install my SlideRule app that is =) Feb 11 10:38:38 General: Oh, it does. Feb 11 10:38:41 Practically every middle schooler in American has one. Feb 11 10:38:55 They charge upwards of $100 a pop Feb 11 10:38:57 And I am pretty sure it was TI who lobbied the calcs requirement in schools Feb 11 10:39:03 I can't imagine how cheap they are to produce. Feb 11 10:39:18 RST38h, that's what I mean though. everyone's carrying a freaking ARM7 around. they just need the software for it... Feb 11 10:39:31 and the hardkeys Feb 11 10:39:33 * Jaffa has *never* owned a graphicing calculator; did have a high-end non-graphic one, though Feb 11 10:39:50 johnx: There was an article on EE Times recently about how your average PC has 3-4 ARMs and a single x86 =) Feb 11 10:39:54 Quick access to all of the functions is important. Feb 11 10:39:59 and a cellphone doesn't offer that. Feb 11 10:40:24 General: It does, when running SlideRule :) Feb 11 10:40:49 General: It is not really that difficult when you think about it: the phone has got two softkeys that act as F-keys Feb 11 10:41:12 RST38h, I just find it amusing that people are carrying around more computing power than your average 1990s desktop and not using it for anything but making phone calls Feb 11 10:41:22 General: So you have got arithmetics on d-pad (including =), 10 digits and 2 more quick keys Feb 11 10:41:28 Maybe I'm just old and curmudgeonly, but I lik the feel of a TI graphing calculator in my hands. Feb 11 10:41:33 General: And 2x12 functions Feb 11 10:41:46 johnx, worse, mostly just using it to send tiny bits of text. Feb 11 10:41:53 General: Oh, the FEEL can't be emulated of course :) Feb 11 10:42:08 Although most real connosieurs prefer HP48 series Feb 11 10:42:10 * GeneralAntilles hugs his TI-89ti Feb 11 10:42:18 Before my time. Feb 11 10:42:39 * johnx liked his TI-83+. first place he really started programming Feb 11 10:43:20 I remember replacing all of the monster name strings with names of the teachers in a DnD type game in middle school on mine. Feb 11 10:43:37 though I remember RST38h's story about programming on some prehistoric Soviet era calc... Feb 11 10:43:42 * RST38h would hug Iskra-555 but 1) it was the size of a desk and 2) it is extinct Feb 11 10:43:56 johnx: You mean MK-61/MK-52? Feb 11 10:44:06 johnx: People even wrote games for these Feb 11 10:44:47 Classic: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=263690 Feb 11 10:45:13 johnx: Then there is the 16bit PDP11-compatible Soviet palmtop ;) Feb 11 10:45:22 That is really the stumbling block Nokia's going to have to figure out to get any sort of mass-market appeal with devices like these. Feb 11 10:46:00 GeneralAntilles, lol. had the opposite reaction here, showing off the browser to people used to surfing on their cellphone Feb 11 10:46:05 johnx: which was actually mass produced Feb 11 10:46:47 johnx, nobody does that here. Feb 11 10:47:08 RST38h, must have seemed such a luxury to have a PDP11 in the palm of your hand Feb 11 10:47:18 GeneralAntilles, well, maybe Nokia should look at other markets... Feb 11 10:47:27 General: It is already a stumbling block, if you remember how Atom is positioned as "the real desktop web experience" Feb 11 10:47:55 johnx: In fact, it looked, felt, and worked like a Casio FX720-like calculator Feb 11 10:48:07 johnx: I have found the whole story only recently Feb 11 10:48:11 TI85 ♥ 4evah Feb 11 10:48:12 <_BuBU> Hi there Feb 11 10:48:27 johnx, what do you think it's gonna be like looking back on these beasts in 15 or 20 years? Feb 11 10:48:38 johnx: Angstrem engineers were told to copy Casio FX720. They opened it up and found a custom 4bit IC inside Feb 11 10:49:05 GeneralAntilles, the next big challenge seems to be 'how small can we make this while maintaining a usable device?" Feb 11 10:49:16 johnx: They could not copy the IC, but had recently developed embedded IC series based on the PDP11 CPU architecture Feb 11 10:49:19 <_BuBU> don't know if I'm on the right place.. but would like to port Maemo mer onto Archos A605 which is ARMv5te but without fpu Feb 11 10:49:38 johnx, then we'll get chips implanted in the back of our skulls and it wont matter anymore. ;) Feb 11 10:49:40 _BuBU, ah! sounds great! Feb 11 10:49:45 RST38h, sorry, phone.. well here we can only use normal one for tests Feb 11 10:49:51 _BuBU, what distro do you have on it right now? Feb 11 10:49:56 <_BuBU> so my question where to get latest svn for mer Feb 11 10:49:58 johnx: So they used THAT. It was, BTW, pretty advanced for those times, even compared to Western ICs Feb 11 10:50:04 <_BuBU> custom distro Feb 11 10:50:16 <_BuBU> based on pdaXrom Feb 11 10:50:26 can you use altboot? Feb 11 10:50:27 <_BuBU> no xorg yet.. Feb 11 10:50:41 ah, xfbdev works, right? Feb 11 10:50:45 <_BuBU> I can have my own kernel/modules Feb 11 10:50:50 <_BuBU> yes Feb 11 10:51:04 <_BuBU> I ported qtopia on it longtime ago Feb 11 10:51:19 hmm Feb 11 10:51:39 and do you have some sort of USB networking or USB host mode? Feb 11 10:51:45 <_BuBU> yes Feb 11 10:51:53 internal flash or sd? Feb 11 10:52:02 <_BuBU> I back ported usbnet from 2.6.20 to 2.6.10 Feb 11 10:52:09 <_BuBU> harddrive Feb 11 10:52:14 <_BuBU> 30G Feb 11 10:52:58 sounds portable to Feb 11 10:53:04 RST38h, you think your code would be compilable for x86 when it comes out? i was hoping to include that Feb 11 10:53:06 guysoft42: http://www.mnd.co.il/site/detail/detail/detailDetail.asp?detail_id=432275 Feb 11 10:53:20 guysoft42: it will, mostly Feb 11 10:53:32 <_BuBU> the only thing ATM is that I'm stuck with the 2.6.10 kernel as there is specific stuff for TI (davinci) hardware Feb 11 10:53:44 guysoft42: But you can probably just run VTI on PC Feb 11 10:53:59 is 2.6.10 capable of running EABI binaries? Feb 11 10:54:15 <_BuBU> I've to check Feb 11 10:54:18 _BuBU: sure? though i saw more up to date davinci stuff Feb 11 10:54:38 <_BuBU> yes I know there is thing for 2.6.28 now Feb 11 10:54:44 <_BuBU> but did not tried actually Feb 11 10:55:36 does debian-armel port? Feb 11 10:55:45 sts? Feb 11 10:55:47 i'm stuck Feb 11 10:55:53 x11 isn't staying open Feb 11 10:56:04 and i haven't managed to get ulimit -c unlimited into some useful place Feb 11 10:56:11 any suggestion for a script to use to host that command? Feb 11 10:56:34 <_BuBU> Stskeeps: with softfloat probably yes Feb 11 10:56:52 hmm Feb 11 10:57:32 I'm pretty sure 2.6.16 or .17 was the first with EABI support from upstream. Right now, you could use all our binaries unmodified if you were able to run EABI Feb 11 10:57:36 <_BuBU> as my toolchain is built using: --with-arch=${DEFAULT_CPU-armv5te} --with-float=soft --with-fpu=vfp Feb 11 10:58:15 <_BuBU> johnx: I think I tried and got illegal instruction Feb 11 10:58:32 <_BuBU> probably because of no fpu right ? Feb 11 10:58:44 EABI binaries for ubuntu and debian are softfloat Feb 11 10:58:44 no fpu is fine Feb 11 10:58:49 testing right here on a zaurus :) Feb 11 10:58:54 we dont even have vfp on 770 Feb 11 10:59:12 yeah, arm EABI support started in 2.6.16 Feb 11 10:59:34 you could rebuild our packages on debian 'arm' but that might take a while Feb 11 10:59:52 <_BuBU> I have time for it :) Feb 11 11:00:08 <_BuBU> at least I will take time.. Feb 11 11:00:11 well. if you have that much time you're probably much better off getting 2.6.28 running :) Feb 11 11:01:26 Stskeeps, how did recompiling on debian for armv4t go? Feb 11 11:01:54 <_BuBU> kernel should be more painfull I think... as it is quite hard on the archos... I've no JTAG... so not so easy.. Feb 11 11:02:19 you can't boot from kexec? Feb 11 11:02:25 <_BuBU> no Feb 11 11:03:08 <_BuBU> I've already bricked 2 a605 :( Feb 11 11:03:12 O_o Feb 11 11:03:14 eep Feb 11 11:03:20 Serior Archos deflorator Feb 11 11:03:28 Serial, sorry Feb 11 11:03:45 <_BuBU> :) Feb 11 11:04:53 johnx: help? Feb 11 11:05:05 i want to set the core file size limit to unlimited Feb 11 11:05:09 and mer isn't cooperating Feb 11 11:05:45 grep core /etc/security/limits.conf |grep -v ^# Feb 11 11:05:50 * soft core unlimited Feb 11 11:05:51 -- Feb 11 11:05:54 <_BuBU> johnx: so what is the latest svn for mer ? Feb 11 11:06:02 when i log in (console), i get ulimit -a: Feb 11 11:06:08 core file size (blocks, -c) 0 Feb 11 11:06:09 _BuBU, from launchpad Feb 11 11:07:23 <_BuBU> is there any instructions on building it ? Feb 11 11:07:45 it's just packages that sit on top of ubuntu jaunty arm EABI port Feb 11 11:08:02 uhm, for rebuilding we have a builder and the builder scripts are available too Feb 11 11:08:21 let me round up links to our launchpad projects and our repo...one sec Feb 11 11:08:38 <_BuBU> ok thx Feb 11 11:09:24 https://code.launchpad.net/~mer-committers https://code.launchpad.net/~carsten-munk/ <- Stskeeps https://code.launchpad.net/~johnxx <- me Feb 11 11:09:43 and our repo is here: http://repository.mer.tspre.org/ Feb 11 11:10:31 <_BuBU> ok thx a lot Feb 11 11:10:32 * timeless wonders where the theme select script is Feb 11 11:10:37 now, these packages could probably also sit on top of debian OABI (ie, pre-2.6.16), but they might need some tweaks in some cases Feb 11 11:10:56 timeless, I don't know anything about core dumps that can't be found on google. sorry. Feb 11 11:11:12 this is more of a question of boot sequence Feb 11 11:11:19 i've googled, and i've set the right file Feb 11 11:11:27 but i can't tell if it's being honored/ignored Feb 11 11:11:31 because it isn't set Feb 11 11:11:42 ah, well if you can set it directly with ulimit it should be fine Feb 11 11:11:45 and i did a grep -r on the fs (gave up eventually, /dev is too big) Feb 11 11:11:46 is that working at least? Feb 11 11:12:07 yeah, that works Feb 11 11:12:44 and kill -4 caused my dump to go where it belonged Feb 11 11:13:14 so maybe a problem of h-d not crashing the right way to generate a core dump? Feb 11 11:13:39 possibly Feb 11 11:13:41 * guysoft42 back Feb 11 11:13:54 Xorg's log only has ddxSigGiveUp Feb 11 11:13:57 RST38h, VTI? is that the emulator you wrote? but doesn't it need a rom? Feb 11 11:14:06 no sign of it crashing (and i do have crashes for it) Feb 11 11:14:24 timeless: probably h-d exiting then Feb 11 11:14:37 is there a log file i could get for that? Feb 11 11:14:51 maybe something in .xsession-errors Feb 11 11:15:08 or tweak /usr/bin/start-hildon to strace h-d? Feb 11 11:15:20 .xsession-errors has some stuff Feb 11 11:15:35 hildon-desktop[2733]: GLIB ERROR ** advanced-backlight - couldn't connect to dsme Feb 11 11:15:37 aborting.... Feb 11 11:15:55 maemo-launcher: invoking '/usr/bin/hildon-desktop.launch' Feb 11 11:15:58 number= None Feb 11 11:16:03 url: http://xkcd.com/ Feb 11 11:16:04 Aborted Feb 11 11:16:50 RST38h, nice that you found it on that website .. still ill have to think about it... its 200$ ovethere.... and strangely they have no phone. only a webstore Feb 11 11:16:52 i'd look at adv backlight then Feb 11 11:19:26 turning off advanced-backlight means i get a desktop again Feb 11 11:20:08 I'm guessing there is some code like this: if we can't connect to dsme, then exit Feb 11 11:20:18 probably Feb 11 11:20:41 and that ends up with h-d exiting instead of crashing Feb 11 11:21:03 * timeless loads http://mxr.maemo.org/garage/source/adv-backlight/trunk/adv-backlight/ Feb 11 11:21:13 hey rm_you. got a question for you :) Feb 11 11:21:21 is there an api to turn off a status bar item? Feb 11 11:21:48 http://mxr.maemo.org/garage/source/adv-backlight/trunk/adv-backlight/advanced-backlight.c#1313 Feb 11 11:21:52 well, that's clever Feb 11 11:21:57 1312 close(dsmesock); Feb 11 11:21:58 1313 g_error("couldn't connect to dsme"); Feb 11 11:22:01 1319 send(dsmesock, (void *) &message, sizeof(message), 0); Feb 11 11:22:13 looks more like a crash than an abort Feb 11 11:22:27 i presume g_error doesn't return Feb 11 11:22:49 * timeless asks mxr/diablo Feb 11 11:22:56 _BuBU: got a page with archos 605 porting efforts? Feb 11 11:23:17 yep Feb 11 11:23:43 <_BuBU> Stskeeps: http://www.openpma.org but nothing yet for maemo ! Feb 11 11:23:44 * timeless is watching old black and white finnish tv Feb 11 11:25:11 <_BuBU> down ATM Feb 11 11:29:45 * timeless grumbles Feb 11 11:29:46 <_BuBU> johnx: just in case I go for the new kernel with eabi support... where I get the latest Mer rootfs ? Feb 11 11:29:49 sts/johnx: so... Feb 11 11:29:56 i have *two* processes which have ulimit 0 Feb 11 11:30:01 hildon-desktop and hildon-input-method Feb 11 11:30:06 everything else has unlimited Feb 11 11:30:12 (at least running as my user) Feb 11 11:30:27 hrm, nope Feb 11 11:30:35 because if i run something, it gets 0'd too Feb 11 11:31:03 i added ulimit -c unlimited to /etc/init.d/auto-startx before the su line Feb 11 11:31:13 _BuBU, there's an FS image for the n8x0 here: http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Releases/0.7 Feb 11 11:31:53 <_BuBU> which work for armel/armv5te softfloat ? Feb 11 11:32:17 _BuBU: if you do get an eabi kernel running i'll gladly bootstrap you an image Feb 11 11:32:19 but really once you can run EABI binaries I would do it this way: debootstrap ubuntu jaunty onto it, then install any hardware specific stuff you need Feb 11 11:32:25 then install mer packages on that Feb 11 11:32:47 _BuBU, debian targets armv4t and ubuntu targets armv5te right now Feb 11 11:32:56 softfloat, no vfp Feb 11 11:33:13 <_BuBU> ok thx will let u know.. :) Feb 11 11:33:13 does anyone know if it's possible to start modest from the terminal with a new email open? Feb 11 11:33:17 <_BuBU> thx for your help Feb 11 11:33:26 _BuBU, keep us updated :D Feb 11 11:33:33 <_BuBU> no problems.. Feb 11 11:33:41 quite curious about this project of yours... Feb 11 11:34:14 <_BuBU> if I succed that will be a quite good device for Maemo :) Feb 11 11:34:22 woolly-work: http://mxr.maemo.org/diablo/source/modest-1.0-2008.23/ Feb 11 11:34:25 the source is open Feb 11 11:34:54 http://mxr.maemo.org/diablo/source/modest-1.0-2008.23/libmodest-dbus-client/libmodest-dbus-client.c Feb 11 11:35:02 seems like libmodest_dbus_client_open_message Feb 11 11:35:05 would be fairly promising Feb 11 11:36:27 * timeless grumbles Feb 11 11:36:49 that does look promising, but unfortunately, I'm not that good with C :( Feb 11 11:36:55 _BuBU: sure looks like it Feb 11 11:36:57 thanks though, i'll have a dig Feb 11 11:37:13 woolly-work: presumably that's a binary you can run Feb 11 11:37:21 and it looks like it's just using dbus Feb 11 11:37:27 so you could pull out the relevant bits Feb 11 11:37:51 Hum, should Mer be added to the OS field? Feb 11 11:38:03 i'll have a look at dbus-monitor too to see if I can pick anything up Feb 11 11:38:13 gan: probably Feb 11 11:38:18 i can do it if you want it there Feb 11 11:38:28 we have fedora iirc Feb 11 11:39:01 Well, for https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4104 "Maemo" doesn't really make sense. Feb 11 11:39:16 um Feb 11 11:39:24 do you realize how much of diablo i'm using? Feb 11 11:40:04 it's more an issue of Hardware: x86 Feb 11 11:40:05 When you toss "core" Maemo stuff out the window like DSME though. . . . Feb 11 11:40:09 than OS: Maemo Feb 11 11:40:33 <_BuBU> what is the best device ATM for Maemo Mer ? Feb 11 11:40:35 dpkg -l dsme Feb 11 11:40:43 ii dsme 0.57.13 Device State Management Entity Feb 11 11:40:47 it claims to be there :) Feb 11 11:40:57 _BuBU, an n810 or n800 I think Feb 11 11:41:07 given the number of digits in the version, you can assume it isn't a package i made :) Feb 11 11:41:08 <_BuBU> ok thx Feb 11 11:41:13 _BuBU, once the keyboard stuff gets cleaned up in the n810 it will be really nice to use Feb 11 11:41:29 but for now the dual SDHC slots on the n800 are a great feature Feb 11 11:41:44 _BuBU: we also have vmware images Feb 11 11:42:00 <_BuBU> Stskeeps: ype already tested that :) Feb 11 11:42:03 timeless: dsme livws in initfs Feb 11 11:42:04 also, hildon-desktop and hildonized apps (especially browsers) are a lot happier with 128MB of RAM Feb 11 11:42:05 Works nicely in both VMware and VirtualBox :-) Feb 11 11:42:20 And a chroot (good for sharing bzr dirs with a nicer dev env) Feb 11 11:42:36 stskeeps: well, gan was complaining i didn't have dsme installed Feb 11 11:42:38 but i do :) Feb 11 11:42:42 <_BuBU> johnx: the archos 605 is 128M ram :) Feb 11 11:42:47 that it doesn't work usefully on x86 isn't my fault :) Feb 11 11:42:54 ah, and 800x480, right? Feb 11 11:43:03 <_BuBU> yes Feb 11 11:43:09 really too bad about archos' not being too friendly Feb 11 11:43:25 lo khertan! Feb 11 11:43:30 <_BuBU> I've good contacts there :D Feb 11 11:43:33 oh brother Feb 11 11:43:35 * Jaffa is getting excited about the 2009 summit now Feb 11 11:43:35 * timeless is late Feb 11 11:43:46 _BuBU, get them to get you a newer kernel :> Feb 11 11:44:11 <_BuBU> they are busy at gen7 :) Feb 11 11:44:31 <_BuBU> with android port Feb 11 11:44:45 and Nokia is busy with the next gen device, but they still gave us a newer open source wifi driver... Feb 11 11:45:19 <_BuBU> nokia is bigger.. Feb 11 11:45:54 <_BuBU> I will visit Archos headquarter next monday :) Feb 11 11:46:09 good for you Feb 11 11:46:38 all I care about is how they treat me as a customer, if they want my money they need to be at least a little friendly to me :) I don't care how big they are... Feb 11 11:47:02 <_BuBU> johnx: indeed Feb 11 11:47:17 <_BuBU> johnx: they are french u know :) Feb 11 11:47:21 how's our driving? Feb 11 11:47:28 * _BuBU is also french :) Feb 11 11:47:52 but getting a newer kernel will really make things a lot easier for you. if you want to soldier on with 2,6.10 then the first step is to debootstrap debian 'arm' (OABI) onto your device Feb 11 11:48:03 should be able to do that from inside pdaxrom with a bit of tweaking Feb 11 11:48:36 or do the first stage on a desktop, then rsync the directory over, and chroot in from pdaxrom and do second stage and setup on your archos Feb 11 11:48:48 <_BuBU> johnx: from pdaxrom should be maybe easier as we already have most of thing.. Feb 11 11:49:17 timelE61i, better than Sharp's, better than Archos' (it seems), better in some ways than Google/T-mo/HTC...but stands to improve... Feb 11 11:49:29 <_BuBU> pdaxrom-ng is coming.. :) Feb 11 11:49:41 hey, i try :) Feb 11 11:49:54 _BuBU: what are the blockers for later kernels btw? Feb 11 11:50:05 I suspect that of the hardware vendors we send more bugs upstream than most :) Feb 11 11:50:21 We=andre__+me ;) Feb 11 11:50:22 <_BuBU> Stskeeps: don't know actyally... I did not checked.. Feb 11 11:50:48 well, if you want to repackage all of Mer then go for it, but we have it nicely packaged for ubuntu (and that should translate to debian well) Feb 11 11:51:05 what does pdax-ng use for a builder? native? OE? Feb 11 11:51:06 good citizens. ;-) Feb 11 11:51:12 _BuBU: and how do you install new kernels? Feb 11 11:51:41 <_BuBU> johnx: custom builder done by Sashz Feb 11 11:51:57 what kind of source packages does it build from? Feb 11 11:52:04 you use ipkg, right? Feb 11 11:52:21 <_BuBU> johnx: yep Feb 11 11:52:56 <_BuBU> this is closed to ptxdist Feb 11 11:53:14 * johnx googles :) Feb 11 11:53:17 <_BuBU> but whole build system is only shell scripts Feb 11 11:53:59 <_BuBU> Stskeeps: for the kernel we have one file with some header and kernel+cpio embedded in it Feb 11 11:54:13 <_BuBU> and we flash Feb 11 11:54:18 would you like some twine w/ that duct tape? Feb 11 11:54:26 <_BuBU> but we have no way back if we are doing mistake Feb 11 11:54:59 timelE61i, heh...careful of where you stand while poking at other people's builders... Feb 11 11:55:08 <_BuBU> in some case we can boot kernel from harddrive but does not work in some circunstance.. Feb 11 11:55:42 mainly I'm curious of what a typical source package looks like Feb 11 11:57:21 _BuBU: auch, harsh terms Feb 11 11:57:28 RST38h, posted about it here: http://www.zulo.org.il/blogs/guysoft/104/ .. is in hebrew.. but there is a picture too :) Feb 11 11:58:01 timelE61i, I was mostly complaining about OSes. ;) Feb 11 11:58:59 ? Feb 11 11:59:05 guysoft: cool =) Feb 11 11:59:15 * RST38h really has to crate a website for this emulator Feb 11 11:59:30 timelE61i, I was addressing Mer vs Maemo (badly) and not anything about your install. Feb 11 12:00:23 . Feb 11 12:03:11 you know you're on nature science faculty when girls are browsing xkcd.. Feb 11 12:04:02 eh, dunno. my wife usually gets to new xkcd comics before me Feb 11 12:04:04 Heh Feb 11 12:04:18 _BuBU: and i guess there's no way to take out hd? Feb 11 12:04:44 <_BuBU> Stskeeps: no problem with the hd Feb 11 12:05:30 _BuBU: well i read it as aimage stored on hd or something Feb 11 12:05:58 <_BuBU> yep.. and in flash Feb 11 12:06:05 k Feb 11 12:06:13 <_BuBU> rootfs is read from the hd Feb 11 12:06:48 and you flash a new kernel how? Feb 11 12:06:49 <_BuBU> rootfs is a cramfs Feb 11 12:07:08 <_BuBU> with some command we have written (not me) Feb 11 12:07:44 k Feb 11 12:07:46 if I understand correctly: kernel is normally in flash, but it's possible to load it from hard drive, but that doesn't always work. is that right? Feb 11 12:08:22 <_BuBU> in case the hd version can't be read this is the flash version which is used Feb 11 12:08:41 ah Feb 11 12:09:53 any way to forcd it to ignore hd version? Feb 11 12:10:37 <_BuBU> hd version is always read first... and if error or something flash is read.. Feb 11 12:11:42 im just trying to see if you can experiment with the hd flash and if the hd flash doesnt boot it reverts to flash Feb 11 12:12:51 <_BuBU> I can probably experiment but I'm not sure I will have a way to see errors Feb 11 12:14:03 well i just wonder if you csn sanely experiment with newer kernels without brivking:) Feb 11 12:14:07 bricking Feb 11 12:14:35 hello Feb 11 12:17:41 error messages can go on framebuffer console Feb 11 12:31:34 is it possible to stream video/audio off of the N810 out to the network via vlc or something like that? Feb 11 12:32:14 yea Feb 11 12:32:21 what about installing vlc and try it.. Feb 11 12:32:30 i did that on n800, through gst sender, vlc receiver Feb 11 12:32:34 i stream the video from the webcam to my desktop Feb 11 12:33:53 All right, the web page is now up: http://fms.komkon.org/ATI85/ Feb 11 12:34:51 possibly is this scenario camera streaming documented at wiki.maemo.org? Feb 11 12:35:02 tank-man: are you streaming it too via vlc? Feb 11 12:35:27 no, i installed some program that let me stream to a web browser Feb 11 12:36:06 tank-man: is there a link you can give me regarding it? Feb 11 12:36:47 https://garage.maemo.org/projects/gstmjpg Feb 11 12:37:58 better not find you in any girls locker rooms Feb 11 12:38:15 heh Feb 11 12:38:16 I wish Feb 11 12:38:24 the n810 is too big of a spy cam for that Feb 11 12:38:44 I'm planing on using it as a video conf app/security cam at my apartment Feb 11 12:39:07 tank-man: who needs that in this age of pervasive amateur porn? :P Feb 11 12:39:43 HD amateur porn even Feb 11 12:51:20 _BuBU: curious, where did you hear about Mer? Feb 11 12:51:57 <_BuBU> got a mail from fujitsu siemens Loox720 mailling list Feb 11 12:52:14 <_BuBU> where someone tried to port mer on loox 720 :) Feb 11 12:52:22 hehe, that was me Feb 11 12:52:32 <_BuBU> eheh kewl :) Feb 11 12:52:47 <_BuBU> so where is the port then ? Feb 11 12:52:52 <_BuBU> I've a loox 720 :) Feb 11 12:53:06 <_BuBU> which is sleeping since years :) Feb 11 12:59:46 Stskeeps: will 0.8 release ship a Loox 720 image? Feb 11 13:07:10 hd amateur porn... now that's the future Feb 11 13:07:14 and they say porn is dead Feb 11 13:09:01 hahahhahahahhahahahahhahahhahhaa Feb 11 13:09:03 *cough* Feb 11 13:09:12 who says? :) Feb 11 13:19:29 http://retr0bright.wikispaces.com/ Feb 11 13:21:01 Hello World! Feb 11 13:21:08 Or should I say OHAI? Feb 11 13:22:09 Hello jeremiah :-) Feb 11 13:22:26 Hey Jaffa, how are you? Feb 11 13:22:36 RFC1869 says you should say EHLO Feb 11 13:22:43 lulz Feb 11 13:22:52 Bit meh, today. Migraine and work don't mix well. Feb 11 13:22:57 EHLO LOCALHOST Feb 11 13:23:02 Eager to see timsamoff's announcement now, though Feb 11 13:23:19 Jaffa: Migraine and anything doesn't mix well. :-/ Feb 11 13:23:32 Jaffa: should be coming across the wires soon. :) Feb 11 13:23:59 jeremiah: True, and once I've got the work which Absolutely Must Be Done Today done, I've got 1.5 hours on London Underground & train to get home to bed. Feb 11 13:24:20 That just sucks. Feb 11 13:24:27 Long day. :( Feb 11 13:24:33 * Jaffa does the martyr thing well ;-) Feb 11 13:24:46 But still, Migraines suck big time. Feb 11 13:25:30 Jaffa: BTW, I had hoped to lay my hands on a newer N810 - how might I go about getting one? Feb 11 13:25:43 Hi, jeremiah. :) Feb 11 13:25:48 The Vatican gave the Creationist lobby a left right sign of the cross today, announcing it would stage a conference on Darwinism next month and declaring that it was one of the Fathers of the Church that thought up the idea in the first place. Feb 11 13:25:50 Hello GeneralAntilles! Feb 11 13:25:50 Eek. Feb 11 13:27:41 jeremiah: Either email Tero and/or Quim, or one of us can do it on your behalf (say Tim ;-)) Feb 11 13:28:07 I'll email Quim - I met him at FOSDEM Feb 11 13:30:57 w00t - just sent an email tio Quim. Feb 11 13:32:26 andre__, when are you gonna start taking bets on how many more times David's gonna have to be prompted for a core dump before he coughs one up? ;) Feb 11 13:32:34 blah blah Feb 11 13:32:45 his problem :) Feb 11 13:33:29 "my car is broken, won't give you more info cause it's your job, but please quickly and exactly tell me on phone how to fix it" Feb 11 13:33:36 andre__, I'm leaning towards RESOLVED SUBMITTERFAILSHARD Feb 11 13:34:20 resolved getathirdemailaccountandwastemytimeagain ? Feb 11 13:34:26 More like: "Fix it, you stupid incompetent idiots. Fix it! Fix it! Fix it!" Feb 11 13:34:59 Bug #? Feb 11 13:35:07 3967 Feb 11 13:35:20 it's the same guy i blocked with his other mail account Feb 11 13:35:23 I'm betting these are actually the aliases Quim files bugs under while drunk. :D Feb 11 13:35:52 * johnx has memories of working retail computer repair and actually having to *do something* about people like this... Feb 11 13:36:06 Jaffa, same guy: http://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3683 Feb 11 13:36:12 GeneralAntilles, ahaha :-D Feb 11 13:36:17 * GeneralAntilles wishes jott would come back and deploy his bugbot. Feb 11 13:36:22 GeneralAntilles, can I add a task to the Feb sprint, that isn't discussed in the Feb meting ? or this is a wrong procedure ? Feb 11 13:36:42 VDVsx, tasks are only added during the meetings. Feb 11 13:37:04 VDVsx, if you've got something you want to push see: http://wiki.maemo.org/How_to_push_a_maemo.org_task Feb 11 13:37:08 tekojo: Here I am! :) Feb 11 13:37:40 VDVsx, depending on the scope, start with a wiki page then go from there. Feb 11 13:37:44 GeneralAntilles, ok, its a task for me, not a problem, is about summer of code Feb 11 13:37:55 VDVsx, oh, well, just work on it then. ;) Feb 11 13:38:06 You don't need to commit anything to work on it. Feb 11 13:38:20 :) Feb 11 13:38:46 Personally, I'd like to see some student labor implement some need RSS reader improvements. ;) Feb 11 13:39:36 GeneralAntilles, you are a student :) Feb 11 13:39:42 VDVsx++ :D Feb 11 13:40:06 _Other_ student's labor. :P Feb 11 13:40:24 Besides, I'm Mr. Community Guy. Feb 11 13:40:38 Would you really rather me spend my time doing something useful like _coding_? :P Feb 11 13:41:05 is this a trick question? :> Feb 11 13:41:34 interestingly, it seemed he typed all that on his tablet Feb 11 13:42:05 GeneralAntilles, ah nice, i'm getting more private hatemail by that guy :) Feb 11 13:42:09 speaking of modest, i guess there are no nightly builds of it anymore? Feb 11 13:42:19 andre__, well, he's consistent anyway. . . . Feb 11 13:42:33 aquatix, dunno about binaries, but the svn is up. . . . Feb 11 13:42:51 hehe Feb 11 13:42:53 GeneralAntilles: I didn't think it was up-to-date; another internal svn/git branch Feb 11 13:43:38 GeneralAntilles: ah, k Feb 11 13:43:43 I'm writing a python application to start modest using an RPC to modests MailTo method. Is there anything I need to do after the rpc_run call? I get the loading banner with E-mail loading, but then nothing happens :( Feb 11 13:44:16 * aquatix rather likes claws-mail on his tablet Feb 11 13:44:34 Jaffa, right, good point. Feb 11 13:44:38 Stupid Fremantle stuff. Feb 11 13:44:46 Woolly: you probably want to change from modest to something that works Feb 11 13:44:55 is modest pretty gash? Feb 11 13:44:56 aside from that, no comment Feb 11 13:45:21 Klapphead! Haha! New nickname. Feb 11 13:45:23 Jaffa, can you send me the source of the 4 buttons used in the Mer page, or change the text in the buttons for me :) ? Feb 11 13:45:32 I would like to use the buttons in the maemo summer of code page Feb 11 13:46:12 aquatix: do you know if something like what I'm trying to do is possible in claws-mail? Feb 11 13:46:13 * andre__ wonders how a klapphead looks like Feb 11 13:46:37 * GeneralAntilles ponders Photoshop. Feb 11 13:47:02 VDVsx: I'll get Mrs Jaffa to turn on my home desktop and send you the inkscape file Feb 11 13:47:29 Jaffa, ins't a rush Feb 11 13:47:43 you can send me this later Feb 11 13:47:49 VDVsx: Doing it now's not hard, and I'll forget or depriotise otherwise Feb 11 13:48:35 Woolly-work: i think so Feb 11 13:48:51 awesome, I'll sift through the source code and see what I can find Feb 11 13:49:02 claws-mail --compose
Feb 11 13:49:06 :) Feb 11 13:49:17 from command line? Feb 11 13:49:20 yep Feb 11 13:49:25 that's ideal :D thanks Feb 11 13:49:35 see claws-mail --help for more Feb 11 13:49:37 sure thing Feb 11 13:49:58 that's what I was trying to do with modest before, but couldn't figure out if it was possible :D Feb 11 13:50:09 not sure, maybe it is too Feb 11 13:50:16 but modest is damn slow on my imap account Feb 11 13:50:23 while claws works just fine Feb 11 13:50:25 modest --help would do nothing Feb 11 13:50:39 and i like how i can use claws-mail on desktop, laptop *and* tablet Feb 11 13:50:41 hm Feb 11 13:50:46 so I can just remove modest using apt-get remove modest Feb 11 13:51:03 Woolly-work, no. Feb 11 13:51:09 It's not worth it, anyway. Feb 11 13:51:13 alright Feb 11 13:51:19 If you want to remove the menu entry, just delete the .desktop. Feb 11 13:51:22 yep Feb 11 13:51:32 that'll do nicely :) Feb 11 13:51:51 instead of deleting the .desktop, would moving it out of the directory also work? Feb 11 13:51:58 in-case I need to move it back in one day Feb 11 13:52:59 Woolly-work, yeah, that'd work too. Feb 11 13:53:05 ace, cheers Feb 11 13:53:12 Though you could just pull it out of the deb in the repo if it comes down to it. Feb 11 13:53:28 yeah that's also true Feb 11 13:56:20 VDVsx: http://www.flegg.org/~andrew/mer-buttons.svg Feb 11 13:56:32 Open in Inkscape. Adjust to suit. Feb 11 13:57:01 Jaffa, thanks Feb 11 14:00:06 hey Stskeeps you around Feb 11 14:04:35 something is really strange I was looking at the log from last night right before I disconnected last time and it looks like I changed th topic of the channel to www.facebook.com I don't know if I did or how I did since I wasn't even on the computer when that happened. I know my cat is good but she isn't that good Feb 11 14:05:02 Andrew: hackers. Feb 11 14:05:23 really Feb 11 14:07:06 is /dev/video0 the video camera feed? Feb 11 14:07:18 yes Feb 11 14:07:55 so once vlc is installed I can pull video from that and save it to a file and this way turn on video recording Feb 11 14:08:18 maybe Feb 11 14:08:50 it sometimes spits out errors and apps that don't cope well with that tend not to behave well Feb 11 14:09:05 liri: NO, afaik Feb 11 14:09:06 also, trying to grab video at too high a res may result in a watchdog reset Feb 11 14:09:24 why not rst? wouldn't that work? Feb 11 14:09:25 RST38h, some people have made it work, others haven't had success Feb 11 14:09:25 liri: it is not compatible with vlc, I have seen multiple complaints about it Feb 11 14:09:31 ahh Feb 11 14:09:49 johnx: AFAIK you can only access camera through gstreamer on Maemo Feb 11 14:09:57 it was mentioned to use that before, another option was gstmjpg but that requires a web server Feb 11 14:10:10 hmm Feb 11 14:10:16 RST38h, that's not true. Feb 11 14:11:36 Archos netbook Feb 11 14:11:37 Ha Feb 11 14:11:41 rebrand Feb 11 14:11:41 atom? Feb 11 14:11:48 johnx, oh? Feb 11 14:11:54 RST38h, 1.6GHz, apparently. Feb 11 14:12:01 -1 point for atom, -1 point for rebrand, -1 point for keyboard Feb 11 14:12:13 -10 for notebook form factor Feb 11 14:12:23 GeneralAntilles, http://www.liliputing.com/2009/01/archos-netbook-is-a-rebranded-haseee-mj125.html Feb 11 14:12:33 No, really, how many underpowered laptops do we need? Feb 11 14:12:51 enough to drop the bottom out of the general purpose computer market? Feb 11 14:13:06 johnx: Are there any successful examples of using the camera without the gstreamer? Feb 11 14:13:26 johnx: that bottom dropping thing does not sound good Feb 11 14:13:57 people have used both vlc and mencoder successfully Feb 11 14:13:59 Netbooks are funny. Feb 11 14:14:12 it doesn't quite behave like a sane, normal v4l2 device Feb 11 14:14:22 just like everything on the n8x0... Feb 11 14:16:49 johnx: at least it is better than audio Feb 11 14:17:00 in fact, it's starting to look like apple played it smart by choosing not to compete "in" the windows ecosystem so much as compete against it... Feb 11 14:18:10 johnx: They had to specifically "play" it? :) Feb 11 14:19:24 jeremiah: sorry was out and about :-) Feb 11 14:20:24 it's just neat to see how well they did while completely ignoring what everyone else was doing Feb 11 14:20:45 tekojo: No biggie, I am a happy lurker. :) Feb 11 14:22:08 johnx: the v4l2 api is a beast, with all drivers and applications implementing and using slighltly different subsets of the api Feb 11 14:22:28 nice Feb 11 14:22:51 there's also the added bonus that capturing at too high of a res puts the tablet at risk of a watchdog reset Feb 11 14:24:25 that's certainly bad from the v4l2 api pov :P Feb 11 14:24:53 maybe it falls under optional behavior :) Feb 11 14:27:47 wow Feb 11 14:28:00 * RST38h once again politely requests an API where you send a few ioctls with the frame format and then start reading frames with read() Feb 11 14:28:03 i was just thinking about it.. and i don' thave a single linux box other than my n800 and G1 i you consider those "boxes" Feb 11 14:28:30 what package has gst-launch for installing on the n810? Feb 11 14:28:39 And whoever would like to have a "richer" API should be crucified, beheaded, and fed to tapeworms Feb 11 14:29:30 johnx: Apple sells you a fashion item, not a computer Feb 11 14:29:37 haha Feb 11 14:30:01 johnx: They are mighty good at fashion, too. If Lenovo tries to sell you a fashion item, it will still be cheap chinese crap no matter how hard lenovo tries Feb 11 14:30:26 i am still pissed that i got banned from the osx # on efnet because some guy said that "osx is the most advanced operating system in existance" Feb 11 14:30:27 RST38h, and it seems your average mac is rather useful as a computer as well Feb 11 14:30:38 my reply was "why? isn't it just an old mach kernel with a shitty wm?" Feb 11 14:30:57 which it is :) Feb 11 14:31:01 johnx: It is useful all right, but not as much as a PC, when you do not follow predefined use scenarios Feb 11 14:31:28 Macer: You flame people wrong. Feb 11 14:31:28 RST38h, and a harrier jet is more useful than an econo box when you don't follow predefined 'roads' Feb 11 14:31:31 OSX looks neat and has a reputation for not breaking, but as soon as you take it off of the Apple Hardware "sandbox" it crashes just as much as the next OS Feb 11 14:31:37 Macer: That is why you get banned right away Feb 11 14:31:38 RST38h: i honestly wasn't Feb 11 14:31:40 :) Feb 11 14:31:53 i just didn't understand what made it so advanced? Feb 11 14:31:53 they just have the ability to customize it for exactly two or four sets of hardware drivers and perfect it Feb 11 14:32:10 Macer: That is why you should ask 'em questions, not make statements Feb 11 14:32:17 it uses a kernel tech that is years old Feb 11 14:32:25 along with a wm that is also.. not the best Feb 11 14:32:32 hell, windows aggrivates me more than most (though about average here, probably), but if it were made for specifically three pieces of hardware, it would run better than OSX >_> Feb 11 14:32:32 Macer: Let them push themselves into a corner, then attack Feb 11 14:32:37 on tech that has been used in a PC for years Feb 11 14:32:52 i don't understand what makes it "the most advanced OS in existance" Feb 11 14:33:05 Macer: You will still be banned of course, but the goal of making those poor suckers feel like shit will be reached by then Feb 11 14:33:08 i mean... it doesn't float to your hands :) Feb 11 14:33:24 they dropped the ppc which was the worst thing they could have done Feb 11 14:33:39 eh. I still recommend it over windows or linux to most people Feb 11 14:33:40 turning it into a normal intel that costs 2x the price Feb 11 14:33:51 johnx: Well, following this analogy, Mac is rather like a harrier jet that you can only fly along straight lines to a few preselected destinations Feb 11 14:34:00 i mean cmon.. a 2.16GHz intel with a shitty video card laptop for $1500? Feb 11 14:34:12 johnx: On the other hand, that is what most people do anyway Feb 11 14:34:20 RST38h, errr...that was like the opposite of my point. :) Feb 11 14:34:34 RST38h: i think it works good as a posix box Feb 11 14:34:37 and darwin ports helps Feb 11 14:34:38 most people don't need a harrier jet, because they don't go anyplace that's not next to a road... Feb 11 14:34:49 johnx: Yea Feb 11 14:34:59 johnx: in that sense, mac serves them perfectly and it is shiny too Feb 11 14:35:02 i mean i'm not saying it is a BAD os.. but it is far from "the most advanced OS in existance" Feb 11 14:35:09 RST38h, then we agree. :) Feb 11 14:35:19 haha Feb 11 14:35:20 Macer: that'd be z/OS, right? Feb 11 14:35:27 Jaffa: plan 9 Feb 11 14:35:28 ... Feb 11 14:35:30 ecomstation ;) Feb 11 14:35:32 Macer: You are trying to argue with mentally ill people using logic? Feb 11 14:35:34 ecomstation ftw Feb 11 14:35:40 Macer: As I said, that is not how it is done Feb 11 14:35:49 ecomstation.. runs even less stuff than plan9?:D Feb 11 14:35:51 i suppose not Feb 11 14:36:05 jaska .. that is what makes it so advanced! Feb 11 14:36:06 :) Feb 11 14:36:26 Macer: With mac nuts, you first lead them into a tantrum, then laugh as they jump all over the walls, pulling hair off their asses Feb 11 14:36:27 i'm actually thinking of building an ecomstation box just for the hell of it Feb 11 14:36:46 problem with macnuts is they are not very smart computerwise for the most part Feb 11 14:36:54 don't get me wrong.. you have a select few.. but i suppose that's anything Feb 11 14:36:55 Macer: who cares? Feb 11 14:36:56 eh. all zealots are equally ridiculous... Feb 11 14:37:01 * aquatix saw Haiku OS in action last weekend at FOSDEM Feb 11 14:37:11 haikuOS? Feb 11 14:37:12 Macer: Are you going to segregate your victims based on their computer literacy? Feb 11 14:37:18 aquatix, how's it looking? Feb 11 14:37:21 Macer: open source BeOS Feb 11 14:37:28 johnx: BeOS-y :) Feb 11 14:37:30 RST38h: there is no point in playing basketball with scrubs.. it isn't as fun ;) Feb 11 14:37:34 johnx: better google screenshots Feb 11 14:37:38 it's quite nice btw Feb 11 14:37:46 * aquatix had it in a VM a while ago Feb 11 14:37:47 damn fast Feb 11 14:37:48 Macer: This is no basketball, it is a massacre Feb 11 14:37:59 hahaha Feb 11 14:38:03 yeah, I check on it every couple months Feb 11 14:38:08 Macer: And the funniest thing is to make 'em massacre themselves Feb 11 14:38:13 but there's no point in beating up someone who is already knocked out ;) Feb 11 14:38:42 Macer: A drunk is knocked out, a mac nut is just mad. Feb 11 14:39:04 always on the ropes . making comments like "the most advanced OS in existance" Feb 11 14:39:10 with no explaination as to why Feb 11 14:39:49 the only reason i don't mind my macbook is because i got it for $500 Feb 11 14:40:00 if i had paid $1500 for it i would have been greatly disappointed Feb 11 14:40:12 Ah! A closet Mac user having a denial! Feb 11 14:40:13 =) Feb 11 14:40:26 Come, come out of the closet Macer... Feb 11 14:40:30 considering that a comparable PC laptop for $1500 would destroy this thing Feb 11 14:40:39 haha Feb 11 14:41:10 i actually wiped osx on it and put ubuntu on it .. but the wifi driver wouldn't do adhoc so i couldn't tether my G1 to it in linux Feb 11 14:41:18 so i had to go back to osx Feb 11 14:41:31 .. bt? Feb 11 14:41:41 android bt is....... Feb 11 14:41:46 (no comment) Feb 11 14:42:01 you really know how to pick lame systems to run linux on :) Feb 11 14:42:01 ah :) Feb 11 14:42:02 * RST38h wonders why not get a Windows laptop and a Nokia Feb 11 14:42:04 either way i don't even think that tmob lets you tether using ppp Feb 11 14:42:04 oh indeed Feb 11 14:42:08 johnx: haha Feb 11 14:42:12 * aquatix is too used to having bt available Feb 11 14:42:20 RST38h: $500 for the macbook Feb 11 14:42:32 Macer: fallen off a truck? =) Feb 11 14:42:38 RST38h: ubuntu actually works really nice on my laptop Feb 11 14:42:45 i don't really like cadallacs either.. but if i could get an escalade for $5000 i would Feb 11 14:42:58 *g* Feb 11 14:43:08 heh Feb 11 14:43:09 me too Feb 11 14:43:13 * aquatix wouldn't mind getting a Lexus for 2kEUR Feb 11 14:43:14 then I'd turn around and sell it Feb 11 14:43:14 aquatix: it works on mine too, but I do Windows and Symbian development Feb 11 14:43:16 RST38h: no... just a pc user who got one and didn't like it and just wanted to get rid of it Feb 11 14:43:21 RST38h: ah :) Feb 11 14:43:26 Macer: Ah Feb 11 14:43:37 Must have been really pissed off at it... Feb 11 14:43:40 :) thought it would be like windows and found out it wasn't and didn't care about getting rid of it for $500 to buy a pc laptop that was just as good Feb 11 14:43:41 aquatix, got just the thing for you. a little bondo here, get the scorch marks rubbed out here and it's good as new :> Feb 11 14:43:55 johnx: lol Feb 11 14:43:57 RST38h: forgot what happened where he was about to throw it... and i just happened to be in the right place at the right time Feb 11 14:44:20 Jaffa: yes, it will Feb 11 14:44:21 "I'll give you $500 for it" "FINE.. JUST TAKE THE FUCKING THING!" Feb 11 14:44:22 :) Feb 11 14:44:29 heheh Feb 11 14:44:38 reminds me of my neighbour Feb 11 14:44:42 Jaffa: along with beagleboard port and i think also zaurus Feb 11 14:45:03 gave away his ipod touch on the ski piste to a random girl who liked it, because he couldn't stand it Feb 11 14:45:04 aquatix, "I'll give you $500 for your neighbor!" "FINE JUST TAKE HIM!" Feb 11 14:45:12 johnx: hahahahahhaha Feb 11 14:45:14 _BuBU: yes, i managed to get it ported: http://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/mer-pocketloox-2.jpg Feb 11 14:45:31 johnx: i would love to do so with the woman living next door to him Feb 11 14:45:38 _BuBU: theme needs improvement Feb 11 14:45:45 stupid b*tch constantly making way too much noise Feb 11 14:46:02 Stskeeps: neat Feb 11 14:46:06 VDVsx: Select the area, then change the co-ordinates to add another 10 round. It seems that Inkscape doesn't take into account Gaussian blur when determining bounding boxes Feb 11 14:46:11 <_BuBU> yep I saw that picture :) Feb 11 14:46:16 have to take my car in for a tune up Feb 11 14:46:18 blah Feb 11 14:46:25 better go get this shit over with Feb 11 14:46:40 Macer, good luck. try not to get ripped off Feb 11 14:46:59 johnx: it's ok.. saved $1000 on a macbook Feb 11 14:47:01 hahahha Feb 11 14:47:13 I want a new macbook Feb 11 14:47:20 if only it cost like half the price Feb 11 14:47:37 heh. car stuff makes computer stuff look cheap Feb 11 14:47:41 i don't mind the price of the tune up.. as long as they do stuff Feb 11 14:47:52 johnx: move on to airplane stuff! Feb 11 14:47:53 i usually mark everything to check :) Feb 11 14:48:00 to make srue they actually replace things that are supposed to be replaced Feb 11 14:48:16 RST38h, was looking at cheapo UAV autopilots the other day :> Feb 11 14:48:54 make sure to get your blinker fluid changed and your muffler bearings replaced Feb 11 14:49:01 RST38h: feh, airplanes Feb 11 14:49:06 rm_you, are you getting adv-backlight bugmail now? Feb 11 14:49:07 johnx: i have a 1994 caprice :) Feb 11 14:49:08 * aquatix is saving for a space craft Feb 11 14:49:17 hello? Feb 11 14:49:23 i need to do so much shit to it that i can't even remember most of it.. but i have to get a 2nd car first so i can do it on my own Feb 11 14:49:24 johnx: With bomb racks, or do you prefer hires cameras? Feb 11 14:49:34 timelE61i, try adv backlight from svn Feb 11 14:49:51 1994 was a good year for the caprice Feb 11 14:50:08 heh Feb 11 14:50:25 Doesn't caprice have a wider rear end than an average city bus? Feb 11 14:50:30 * johnx not a big caprice fan so he won't start Feb 11 14:50:40 * aquatix googles caprice Feb 11 14:50:44 Poo, johnx. :P Feb 11 14:50:53 aquatix: do not. Feb 11 14:51:15 augh, the goggles! Feb 11 14:51:17 they do nothing Feb 11 14:51:22 GeneralAntilles, it's just too easy...but I'm resisting... Feb 11 14:51:22 Hum, looks like they're bringing it back Feb 11 14:51:41 johnx, classic American sedan Feb 11 14:51:41 * aquatix has a simple 1996 opel astra Feb 11 14:52:09 * Jaffa now has a nice shiny new VW Scirocco (mmm, company car perks) Feb 11 14:52:29 Jaffa: dang Feb 11 14:52:40 General: Must be the falling oil prices Feb 11 14:52:57 * RST38h has got a used HRV Feb 11 14:53:04 * GeneralAntilles loves his Camry. Feb 11 14:53:24 Camries are good Feb 11 14:53:28 i wouldn't mind having a new VW Polo Feb 11 14:53:35 5-speed makes them better. Feb 11 14:53:43 General: Solara? =) Feb 11 14:53:44 GeneralAntilles: these are pretty good... Feb 11 14:53:53 RST38h, 2004 LE sedan. Feb 11 14:54:00 Ah Feb 11 14:54:05 * johnx misses his Supra :/ Feb 11 14:54:07 GeneralAntilles: 5-speed isn't standard? Feb 11 14:54:14 johnx, what year? Feb 11 14:54:20 General: They are $30k+ around here Feb 11 14:54:34 aquatix, this is the US, and the Camry is the typical run-o-the-mill sedan. Feb 11 14:54:37 GeneralAntilles, had an 85 and an 84, but I miss the 84 most :) Feb 11 14:54:39 aquatix: depends on the area you live in ;} Feb 11 14:54:46 aquatix, they ship, like, a dozen manual Camrys a year. Feb 11 14:54:51 florian: i live in a developed country ;) Feb 11 14:54:53 General: Not prepared to pay that much for wheels Feb 11 14:54:53 johnx, niiiice. Feb 11 14:54:58 GeneralAntilles: heh Feb 11 14:55:13 americans can't cope with shifting gear themselves? :) Feb 11 14:55:15 RST38h, I got mine used for 14k Feb 11 14:55:20 * aquatix likes it Feb 11 14:55:23 johnx: I had an 84 one, the one with dual headlights Feb 11 14:55:25 aquatix, correct :) Feb 11 14:55:31 aquatix, mostly there isn't much reason to cope with it. Feb 11 14:55:32 tsk, lazy bums Feb 11 14:55:39 GeneralAntilles: because it's fun? Feb 11 14:55:40 General: Used is like $20k+ here, still not good Feb 11 14:55:49 We don't have insanely high gas prices Feb 11 14:55:56 and the vast majority of people see it as work, not fun. Feb 11 14:56:02 RST38h, they're darn nice, quite reliable and not exactly slow Feb 11 14:56:29 RST38h: try http://dahon.com for cheap wheels Feb 11 14:56:31 aquatix: :-) Feb 11 14:56:33 * aquatix has to travel 130+km/day in his car for work Feb 11 14:56:39 not exactly vacation either ;) Feb 11 14:56:48 still, i like controlling my car myself Feb 11 14:56:49 My fav vehicle Feb 11 14:56:55 johnx: Mine went to the junkyard under its own power Feb 11 14:56:58 I haven't used GStreamer before (not even on the desktop) and I want to get gst-launch on the n810 for streaming... how do I get it installed? Feb 11 14:57:20 there's a tools package or something Feb 11 14:57:21 dphil9000: heheh Feb 11 14:57:24 apt-cache search Feb 11 14:57:29 aquatix, as do I. Feb 11 14:57:37 RST38h, first one rusted out from under me and the second one is still kicking around for all I know... Feb 11 14:57:45 * aquatix also loves messing with americans ;) Feb 11 14:57:57 johnx: Well, mine has been dropping parts of the rusted trunk to the pavement for a while... Feb 11 14:58:06 aquatix, I only wish I had the wherewithal to look for something RWD at the time. Feb 11 14:58:19 GeneralAntilles: heh :) Feb 11 14:58:24 get a Beamer? Feb 11 14:58:27 s/had had/ Feb 11 14:58:28 GeneralAntilles, you didn't have $500 and access to craigslist? Feb 11 14:58:30 bleh Feb 11 14:58:32 * GeneralAntilles fails. Feb 11 14:58:44 johnx, mostly I was still somewhat immature in all things automotive. Feb 11 14:59:05 yeah, I was too...which is why I bought into a rust bucket first time around Feb 11 14:59:09 aquatix, I've been eyeing an E36 M3 sedan one of my neighbors has for sale. Feb 11 14:59:22 * aquatix has to google that one too Feb 11 14:59:22 then I bought a burned out hulk for $500 and drove it for a couple years Feb 11 14:59:23 yeah there's a whole lot of gstreamer options to install :P Feb 11 14:59:39 ahh, tools for use with gstreamer, that's probably that Feb 11 14:59:44 I could afford the car, I couldn't afford the insurance, though. Feb 11 14:59:46 thanks Stskeeps Feb 11 14:59:54 * aquatix wouldn't mind having a Peugeot 407 either Feb 11 14:59:59 80's beamers were nice too. lighter than the supra and RWD+I6 is my favorite combination Feb 11 15:00:08 johnx, amen. Feb 11 15:00:21 johnx, though my dream car is an E30 M3. Feb 11 15:00:27 GeneralAntilles: ah, that one Feb 11 15:01:00 aquatix, black: looks basically like this: http://www.bmwinfo.com/pictures/00864.jpg Feb 11 15:01:01 last company I worked with almost everyone else there owned an 80's beamer and raced them on a local track on weekends... Feb 11 15:01:03 frankly, i don't like it, but that's more because only a certain kind of (immature) people tend to drive it around here Feb 11 15:01:18 the car itself is nice Feb 11 15:01:25 GeneralAntilles: looks great Feb 11 15:01:32 aquatix, practically nobody drives it around here. Feb 11 15:01:34 aquatix: I've been trying out claws-mail, and prefer the feel of modest :( Feb 11 15:01:43 GeneralAntilles: ha, that's a Dutch one even :) Feb 11 15:01:47 Though there's a shitton of 3-series BMWs. Feb 11 15:01:50 Woolly-work: ah Feb 11 15:02:00 Woolly-work: yeah, modest is more maemo integrated Feb 11 15:02:29 but modest just doesn't cope with my imap account Feb 11 15:02:34 aquatix: I reckon that's it Feb 11 15:02:38 it takes 2 minutes to start Feb 11 15:02:44 eek Feb 11 15:02:57 then randomly fails to load folders Feb 11 15:03:02 or refresh them Feb 11 15:03:17 and i only have about 100000 emails or something :/ Feb 11 15:03:28 with a 15-email inbox Feb 11 15:03:39 haha Feb 11 15:03:51 VDVsx: how was FOSDEM btw? Feb 11 15:04:02 I think i'll keep the claws option available, but try with modest first Feb 11 15:04:23 Woolly-work: good luck :) Feb 11 15:04:28 Stskeeps, was fine, but I expected more from the maemo talks Feb 11 15:04:29 let me know when you get it working Feb 11 15:04:43 VDVsx: well at least they referred to Mer ;) Feb 11 15:04:45 VDVsx: i expected more from talks in general Feb 11 15:04:46 aquatix: shall do, and thanks again :) Feb 11 15:04:52 Woolly-work: np :) Feb 11 15:05:06 Stskeeps, its true Stskeeps :) Feb 11 15:05:47 aquatix, yap, the talks last year are more intresting for me Feb 11 15:06:01 VDVsx: hm, i thought last year was worse Feb 11 15:06:07 the year before was rather nice Feb 11 15:06:21 but it of course depends on your area of interest Feb 11 15:06:24 hey, does anyone here know the fastest way to pull data from the light-meter? Feb 11 15:06:54 poll the proc sys? Feb 11 15:06:57 VDVsx, they're saving it all up for the Summit. ;) Feb 11 15:08:17 aquatix, I don't saw any new and exciting project/advance this year, nothing new, I like to see new things Feb 11 15:08:35 GeneralAntilles, Yap, probably and I hope so Feb 11 15:08:46 heh Feb 11 15:08:59 would be funny if the summit ends up in oregon Feb 11 15:09:04 * Stskeeps hopes to go this year to summit Feb 11 15:11:26 always wanted to visit Europe... Feb 11 15:12:46 johnx, you live in Japan right ? Feb 11 15:13:13 yup. will be back in the US (Seattle area) starting in April Feb 11 15:13:35 has someone of you the bianary /scratchbox/tools/bin/mkdir? sb1 can't find it in this folder.. Feb 11 15:14:00 I meet a guy at fosdem, that move from tokio to Oulu in Finland Feb 11 15:14:19 thopiekar, should be a symlink to mkwrapper Feb 11 15:15:03 VDVsx, ah cool. He's from Japan or was just living there? Feb 11 15:15:42 johnx, nop, is Canadian Feb 11 15:15:56 yicks, libxslt1.1 is giving me a headache with apt. apt says it should be installed, when it tries to unpack it there's a dpkg error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libxslt1.1_1.1.19-1osso3_armel.deb with the error: trying to overwrite '/usr/lib/libxslt.so.0.8.13', whic is also in package libxslt subprocess paste killed by signal (broken pipe) Feb 11 15:16:08 he works for some company related to Nokia, but not directly with maemo Feb 11 15:16:13 any ideas? Feb 11 15:17:16 mkdir is symlinked to mkwrapper but anyway sb1 can't find it -.- Feb 11 15:17:16 http://pastebin.com/d4b090762 Feb 11 15:17:17 liri, well, those should be conflicting packages. see what depends on each one Feb 11 15:17:52 johnx: Done with Japan already? Feb 11 15:18:13 RST38h, not done forever, just done for now Feb 11 15:18:36 VDVsx: probably one of the large amounts of contractors :P Feb 11 15:18:36 thopiekar, file /scratchbox/tools/bin/mkwrapper Feb 11 15:19:03 johnx: Ah Feb 11 15:19:28 http://pastebin.com/d63b6671c Feb 11 15:20:01 johnx: running dpkg -l | grep xslt -> I get ii libxslt 1.1.9 ic libxslt1.1 (1.1.19-osso3) and iU xsltproc (1.1.19-osso3 too) Feb 11 15:20:23 * needs mkwrapper python? Feb 11 15:20:51 Stskeeps, yap, he also a Quim friend, I meet him because he gone to the maemo dinner with us Feb 11 15:21:07 Maemo has a dinner? Feb 11 15:21:16 lolhelp Feb 11 15:21:26 liri, the big question is what are you trying to install that depends on this different libxslt? Feb 11 15:22:05 If a bug is fixed in latest SVN but not yet pushed to extras, can I still mark it as FIXED? Feb 11 15:22:19 rm_you, go and study :P Feb 11 15:22:28 lol yea after i deal with this bug report :P Feb 11 15:22:28 I'm trying to install something else entirely (the gstreamer thing) but it seems that libxslt is a pending package with installation issues, usually 'apt-get -f install' solves this but it doesn't now... Feb 11 15:22:54 apt-cache rdepends libxslt Feb 11 15:23:22 rM_you: yes, just set the tm properly Feb 11 15:23:24 libxslt reverse depends: libgtkhtml-2 lifrea Feb 11 15:23:42 Rm\you: which product? Feb 11 15:23:45 I actually don't mind un-installing both of those Feb 11 15:23:46 -> solved the problem.. I renamed /scratchbox/tools/bin/python to /scratchbox/tools/bin/python-old, because in sb I installed some modules and I wanted to use them.. Feb 11 15:23:50 Sargun_Screen, yup, posted in planet and mailing lists Feb 11 15:23:51 I remember trying liferea once Feb 11 15:23:56 timelE61i: i dont have any TM set up >_> Feb 11 15:24:06 timelE61i: ABL, your bug Feb 11 15:24:08 I'll fix that Feb 11 15:24:23 Give me a list of vers you want Feb 11 15:24:29 err Feb 11 15:24:39 0.15 Feb 11 15:24:46 liri, if I were you I'd try and remove liferea and the libxslt it depends on manually Feb 11 15:24:50 for now that is all Feb 11 15:24:58 i'll deal with anything else later Feb 11 15:25:16 johnx: manually means 'dpkg -r liferea' ? Feb 11 15:25:22 yeah Feb 11 15:25:30 Hello guys, I am having a problem... I tried to install mer on N810. I think I followed to procedure correctly. But now the N810 reboot in almost every minute. Additionally, when keep pressing home it doesn't boot on mer....:S Feb 11 15:25:48 ok, done Feb 11 15:26:53 I'm back... sorta) Feb 11 15:26:57 T3rmInAt0r, ok. first what exactly do you mean "reboots in almost every minute"? is this when booted into maemo? Feb 11 15:27:11 soo cold( Feb 11 15:27:17 yes Feb 11 15:27:24 it only boots on maemo Feb 11 15:27:29 and since then Feb 11 15:27:29 moo, wazd Feb 11 15:27:33 are you out of space? Feb 11 15:27:47 I installed mer on a 2GB card Feb 11 15:27:49 RST38h, mmmooo) Feb 11 15:27:50 wazd: I have got TI83 kinda working yesterday but it doing something wrong Feb 11 15:27:57 T3rmInAt0r, are you out of space in maemo? Feb 11 15:28:02 keyboard is not working well Feb 11 15:28:12 johnx, I'm out of the city) Feb 11 15:28:14 I can't say..... Feb 11 15:28:25 maemo reboots Feb 11 15:29:03 T3rmInAt0r: i got the same problem, it was because there wasn't free space on device Feb 11 15:29:04 it shows the screen of maemo for about 45 sec and then again, it reboots on maemo Feb 11 15:29:14 zs... now??? Feb 11 15:29:24 T3rmInAt0r: not now, before Feb 11 15:29:25 *now what am I supposed to do? Feb 11 15:29:27 T3rmInAt0r, can you do anything in that time? can you open programs? Feb 11 15:29:44 jonhnx no.... Feb 11 15:29:48 nothing at all... Feb 11 15:29:50 rm_you, RESOLVED means the code's in place, CLOSED means the code has shipped. Feb 11 15:29:57 why britain has such a good taste of music( Feb 11 15:30:09 T3rmInAt0r, 10 bucks you ended with out of space Feb 11 15:30:12 T3rmInAt0r, ok. do you have a linux desktop computer you can use? Feb 11 15:30:13 GeneralAntilles: errrk? Feb 11 15:30:22 GeneralAntilles: which option do I select then? Feb 11 15:30:32 Resolve bug, changing resolution to FIXED INVALID WONTFIX WORKSFORME Feb 11 15:30:32 ? Feb 11 15:30:36 rm_you, if the codes in svn but not shipped yet, RESOLVED FIXED Feb 11 15:31:03 yes Feb 11 15:31:04 ah THEN i get option for closed Feb 11 15:31:08 kk got it, thanks Feb 11 15:31:11 rm_you, right. Feb 11 15:31:22 rm_you, I was probably answering a question that wasn't really asked. :P Feb 11 15:31:23 ( StsN800 .... maybe you are right...) Feb 11 15:31:26 johnx: thanks, got it working Feb 11 15:31:36 Extraneous information. Feb 11 15:31:38 GeneralAntilles: no, that was exactly what i needed to know Feb 11 15:31:39 liri, sounds good :) Feb 11 15:31:43 johnx, what can I do with linux desktop? Feb 11 15:31:46 flash it again? Feb 11 15:31:51 rm: someone should verify it too Feb 11 15:31:55 That's qa Feb 11 15:31:58 T3rmInAt0r, use the command line linux flasher to disable lifeguard reset Feb 11 15:32:03 Often it'll be the reporter Feb 11 15:32:10 timelE61i: kk... so... you? Feb 11 15:32:14 :P Feb 11 15:32:25 My computers all don't like me atm, so it'll be a bit Feb 11 15:32:28 johnx, how am I supposed to do this? (I don't even know this command) Feb 11 15:32:32 * timelE61i hunts for onw Feb 11 15:32:38 johnx: can you compile ABL-SVN and verify https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4104 as resolved? Feb 11 15:32:49 johnx: in mer Feb 11 15:33:06 rm_you, sure, in a bit Feb 11 15:33:10 johnx: kk thx Feb 11 15:33:21 johnx: i'll be back in... like 12 hours Feb 11 15:33:22 flasher --set-rd-flags no-lifeguard-reset ???? Feb 11 15:33:24 T3rmInAt0r: sudo flasher-3.0 --set-rd-flags=no-lifeguard-reset -R Feb 11 15:33:27 after classes >_> Feb 11 15:33:42 (almost right...) Feb 11 15:34:45 as soon as classes quiet down a little I should have time to be here again :P Feb 11 15:34:55 'later rm_you Feb 11 15:35:01 * rm_you runs Feb 11 15:35:50 zs, may I use flasher while the device is powered off? Feb 11 15:36:07 you follow the same instructions for flashing your device normally Feb 11 15:36:21 except use the command line zs gave you Feb 11 15:37:28 RST38h, so you'll make it work someday and I should draw 84+?) Feb 11 15:38:13 bash: flasher-3.0: command not found Feb 11 15:38:16 what is wrong? Feb 11 15:38:24 T3rmInAt0r, you need the flasher command Feb 11 15:38:28 ~flashing Feb 11 15:38:32 flashing is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Feb 11 15:38:53 I download it Feb 11 15:39:01 i am on the right directory Feb 11 15:39:11 * StsN800 glances at work laptop with gfx failing to turn on Feb 11 15:39:12 ok, then try: sudo ./flasher-3.0 --set-rd-flags=no-lifeguard-reset -R Feb 11 15:39:28 did you missed ./ ? Feb 11 15:39:52 ok johnx you are rihgt Feb 11 15:40:06 zs.... you didn't put it either :P :) Feb 11 15:40:10 wazd: Go for 83+ and 84+ by all means Feb 11 15:40:23 wazd: I should resolve the problem sooner or later Feb 11 15:40:32 T3rmInAt0r: sorry for that ;) Feb 11 15:40:51 wazd: All the infrastructure for more models is already in and I even plan to do 82 Feb 11 15:40:54 now that I have connected N810 and powert it on Feb 11 15:40:59 it says something Feb 11 15:41:07 RST38h, got it) Feb 11 15:41:10 Kernel version...initfs version etc.... Feb 11 15:41:19 you're in RD mode Feb 11 15:41:21 That happens in rd-mode Feb 11 15:41:39 research and develoment? Feb 11 15:41:47 probably Feb 11 15:41:59 lol.... Feb 11 15:42:01 anyway... Feb 11 15:42:09 now may I try Feb 11 15:42:15 whether the mer is installed? Feb 11 15:42:19 anyways, boot into maemo, see if you ran out of free space, free up some space, then try mer again Feb 11 15:42:35 bootmenu didn't install correctly at least Feb 11 15:42:59 I have to programm diskUsage Feb 11 15:43:25 T3rmInAt0r: have you got root access on device? Feb 11 15:43:39 just type df -h in X Terminal Feb 11 15:43:40 Stskeeps, You should add an Maemo-Required-Free-Space tag to your control file for bootmenu. Feb 11 15:43:46 RST38h, cool Feb 11 15:44:02 zs, yup Feb 11 15:44:52 qwerty12, there's such a thing? Feb 11 15:44:59 StsN800, yes Feb 11 15:45:09 XB-Maemo-Required-Free-Space: Feb 11 15:45:26 qwerty12, also i would love to but it seems my work laptop screencard may be fried.. Feb 11 15:45:38 and what should bother me? Feb 11 15:45:52 Stskeeps, not having much luck with the laptops :( Feb 11 15:46:03 T3rmInAt0r, well, are you out of space on '/' or not? Feb 11 15:46:14 http://www.pastebin.ca/1334125 Feb 11 15:46:20 that's what I get Feb 11 15:46:25 yes Feb 11 15:46:31 you're essentially out of space Feb 11 15:46:51 /dev/mtdblock4 Feb 11 15:46:53 this one? Feb 11 15:46:57 it is only 240MB Feb 11 15:47:01 yes. the one mounted as / Feb 11 15:47:08 (and mer itself created) Feb 11 15:47:15 (i choosed simple install) Feb 11 15:48:34 ok, you still need to free up some space Feb 11 15:48:58 from where? Feb 11 15:49:03 The deviced Feb 11 15:49:06 yes Feb 11 15:49:13 was flashed Feb 11 15:49:29 and I had installed only 2-3 apps Feb 11 15:49:34 and then tried mer Feb 11 15:49:39 I'm off, later guys) Feb 11 15:49:56 well, something is taking up space Feb 11 15:50:21 I followed this one http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Releases/0.7 Feb 11 15:50:29 only the Nokia N8x0(W) - installer Feb 11 15:50:36 was I wrong? Feb 11 15:51:38 on OSX, if I type in the terminal "open mailto:a@b.c" it will open a blank email using the default mailto URI handler. Is there a similar feature on maemo? Feb 11 15:52:29 xdg-open mailto:foo@bar.com perhaps? not sure if maemo follows xdg standards... Feb 11 15:52:43 Woolly-work, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=257579&postcount=19 (to use modest - diablo's default client) Feb 11 15:52:58 johnx , If I reflash in diablo Feb 11 15:53:00 and then mer Feb 11 15:53:05 It would be fine, right? Feb 11 15:53:09 T3rmInAt0r, yes, that should be fine Feb 11 15:53:19 I'll try it :) Feb 11 15:53:23 but keep in mind mer is still aplha level software... Feb 11 15:53:47 qwerty12: you are a genius :) Feb 11 15:53:52 but it supports all the packages of Feb 11 15:53:53 ubuntu Feb 11 15:53:55 right? Feb 11 15:54:08 Woolly-work, :) Feb 11 15:54:22 T3rmInAt0r, yup, just like easy debian :) Feb 11 15:54:22 now if only i could pull this into python! Feb 11 15:54:43 ok two more things Feb 11 15:54:53 I can send the message, and I get the loading email banner, but then the notification goes away, and nothing happens :( Feb 11 15:54:55 1. now N810 is stacked in RD logo .... Feb 11 15:55:20 2. After isntalling mer. just power off , and power on + menu button pressed until start mer? Feb 11 15:55:54 after you install mer you just need to restart normally and it will show you a menu Feb 11 15:56:05 no need to hold any special buttons Feb 11 15:56:37 restart by terminal, or even "normally" by hand? Feb 11 15:56:49 right Feb 11 15:56:49 johnx, bootmenu? Feb 11 15:56:57 doesn't make a difference Feb 11 15:57:06 ok thanx Feb 11 15:57:06 qwerty12, yes? Feb 11 15:57:10 how about the 1? Feb 11 15:57:21 johnx, you hold menu to get to the bootmenu which you can then boot mer from Feb 11 15:57:34 the menu doesn't come up automatically Feb 11 15:57:43 ah Feb 11 15:57:55 uhm...it does here... Feb 11 15:58:23 odd, I've never had it come up automatically on any of my installs :/. I always get the press menu message Feb 11 15:58:38 yeah, I do too, then it comes up anyways Feb 11 15:58:43 as for getting out of RD mode: sudo ./flasher-3 --disable-rd-mode Feb 11 15:58:56 thanx alot!!! Feb 11 15:59:39 bye!! Feb 11 16:11:38 qwerty12: do you have any idea on how to pythonise that dbus-send line? Feb 11 16:11:57 os.system? :P Feb 11 16:12:08 hehe, without using os.system :D Feb 11 16:12:25 I'm not that great on python-dbus :) Feb 11 16:12:44 ahh cool, never mind:) Feb 11 16:13:34 I'll open that question up to anyone then :P Feb 11 16:18:43 well. judging by how much better my car is driving.. i would guess that i was a FEW thousand miles over on that oil change :) Feb 11 16:18:57 skeery Feb 11 16:19:06 heh Feb 11 16:19:08 yeah, oil is the one to be careful of Feb 11 16:19:13 the new wipers are nice too Feb 11 16:19:18 * Stskeeps cleans out his laptop now that he got it boting. Feb 11 16:19:21 the ability to actually wipe rain off the window :) Feb 11 16:19:28 it's amazing haha Feb 11 16:19:36 and you definitely want to be careful to make sure it has actual oil in it :) Feb 11 16:19:42 i check it Feb 11 16:20:03 it was a quart low a couple weeks ago.. and i don't think it was because it's losing it Feb 11 16:20:11 i just think that it loss mass by turning into a solid haha Feb 11 16:20:18 loss/lost Feb 11 16:20:20 oil thieves? Feb 11 16:20:23 haha Feb 11 16:20:33 it's probably burning a bit Feb 11 16:20:46 yeah.. burning oil sucks though Feb 11 16:20:52 meh Feb 11 16:20:54 means i might have a hole in a ring Feb 11 16:21:06 old seals Feb 11 16:21:14 yah Feb 11 16:21:26 no great cause for concern Feb 11 16:21:31 just means you gotta be careful Feb 11 16:21:38 either way. i have to bring it back anyways. i think my heater coil is messed up Feb 11 16:21:45 blows out warm air but not hot Feb 11 16:22:18 unless i punch it.. so maybe it's plugged up or maybe my pump is jacked up.. or maybe when i got a new serpentine belt. they ran it wrong.. who knows.. this is why i never chose to be a mechanic :) Feb 11 16:22:36 i would love to disect the thing and do it all myself but i have to buy a 2nd putput first Feb 11 16:22:41 yeah, troubleshooting is a huge PITA Feb 11 16:22:49 yup Feb 11 16:23:05 i was looking at getting a metro or tracker for $3000 Feb 11 16:23:06 haha Feb 11 16:23:09 same with cars as it is with devices: project and daily use Feb 11 16:23:16 as long as it runs i can go ahead and totally screw up my caprice Feb 11 16:23:26 why not get a civic? Feb 11 16:23:40 right now i'd buy anything that isn't a total piece of shit and runs Feb 11 16:23:41 :) Feb 11 16:23:50 but i'd at least rather have something that can make it in the snow Feb 11 16:23:53 so that rules out metro and tracker... Feb 11 16:23:57 Then swap out the muffler for a Pringles can! Feb 11 16:24:02 i had a metro in high school.. it never got stuck Feb 11 16:24:17 well.. except once when i tried to ram a giant pile of snow to get out of the alley coming out of the garage Feb 11 16:24:22 but i guess that's my own fault :) Feb 11 16:24:24 ah, I meant the 'not a piece of shit line' :) Feb 11 16:24:27 oh Feb 11 16:24:33 yeah haha Feb 11 16:24:42 they're all pieces of shit tho Feb 11 16:24:46 Metros are surprisingly (disturbingly?) reliable. Feb 11 16:24:48 except my caprice.. i love my caprice Feb 11 16:24:48 The Author's Guild claims that the new Kindle's text-to-speech software is illegal, stating that "They don't have the right to read a book out loud," said Paul Aiken, executive director of the Authors Guild. Feb 11 16:24:51 hehehe Feb 11 16:24:54 i specifically went out just to get that car :) Feb 11 16:25:09 bought it in CA .. had 60K on it.. some old guy owned it Feb 11 16:25:13 god bless old people Feb 11 16:25:13 whatever floats your boat man... Feb 11 16:25:27 johnx, you ever get to drive a Caprice? Feb 11 16:25:35 heh.. they just don't make large cars like they used to.. i think the caprice was the last one Feb 11 16:25:37 nah, just a malibu Feb 11 16:25:46 3G for the new Kindle was an interesting choice. Feb 11 16:26:01 I should point out: late 70s smallblock V8 malibu :) Feb 11 16:26:09 haha Feb 11 16:26:16 oh.. thought you meant the mid 90s piece of shit Feb 11 16:26:23 like what they did to the impala in the early 2000s Feb 11 16:26:36 just playing off the name Feb 11 16:26:37 ugh.. i was so disgusted at the new impala that i wanted to go to Chevy and kill the CEO Feb 11 16:26:39 brand necromancy Feb 11 16:26:42 yah Feb 11 16:26:56 they ruined the impala name with that total piece of shit Feb 11 16:26:58 like ford with their V6 mustangs Feb 11 16:27:06 they should have been ASHAMED Feb 11 16:27:08 there were always v6 mustangs :P Feb 11 16:27:30 yeah.. but these were like.... piece of shit V6 mustangs Feb 11 16:27:31 hahaha Feb 11 16:27:39 You would probably do Chevy's CEO a favor... Feb 11 16:27:47 the past ain't what it used to be... Feb 11 16:27:58 RST38h: maybe Feb 11 16:28:13 but he can still fly in a lier to ask the govt for money Feb 11 16:28:14 Macer, Mustangs were always pieces of shit. Feb 11 16:28:24 so on the personal level .. i don't think he is hurting as bad as he says he is Feb 11 16:28:32 It's crazy that they went FWD with the Impala of all things. :\ Feb 11 16:28:33 his company is.. not him :) Feb 11 16:28:48 ah, nm. they started as a straight 6 Feb 11 16:28:50 but still Feb 11 16:28:54 * RST38h has got an impression US cars were always pieces of shit Feb 11 16:28:58 haha Feb 11 16:29:08 RST38h: i loved mid 90 impalas Feb 11 16:29:20 GeneralAntilles, they went FWD with the corolla and celica. that's what broke my heart Feb 11 16:29:22 ++++++++++++++99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999////////////////////////// Feb 11 16:29:32 love i should say. my buddy at work has a 96 impala ss Feb 11 16:29:35 Ups Feb 11 16:29:35 i want to steal it Feb 11 16:29:38 RST38h, but some of the old ones were terrifyingly fast POSes :) Feb 11 16:29:44 * GeneralAntilles should unplung his keyboard before poking at it. Feb 11 16:29:57 GeneralAntilles: line noise! Feb 11 16:30:15 johnx: notmuch interested in "fast", given how much time the car spends in traffic Feb 11 16:31:20 RST38h, yeah, and personally I think much over 130MPH is a waste even in the 'stupid testosterone fueled acts' category, but you've got to at least acknowledge that they made some scary fast cars back in the day :) Feb 11 16:31:48 johnx: With those engines, shouldn't be a problem =0 Feb 11 16:31:59 especially scary-fast because the suspensions and brakes just weren't there to support the speed, but that's besides the point Feb 11 16:32:15 johnx: man... I stil have the RD problem... Feb 11 16:32:18 johnx: True tools of Darwin! Feb 11 16:32:20 I can't close it...:S Feb 11 16:32:29 t3rminat0r_, read the help for flasher Feb 11 16:32:41 anyways, it doesn't affect anything Feb 11 16:32:49 johnx, this is the extreme of suspension/tires/brakes not being able to keep up with the speed: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercedes-Benz_W125 Feb 11 16:35:06 haha Feb 11 16:35:11 Old grand prix cars are terrifying. Feb 11 16:35:13 fast speed an no brakes :) sounds like fun Feb 11 16:35:32 all fun and games until someone gets airborne :) Feb 11 16:35:36 johnx: ... I had plug off the wire... so any flasher command, doesn't respond....If I pull of the battery???? Feb 11 16:35:36 General: I have seen one of these smash into a lightpost, at 40mph Feb 11 16:35:52 not airborne.... weightless :) Feb 11 16:36:14 t3rminat0r_, rd mode doesn't affect flashing or normal operation. what problem are you having? Feb 11 16:36:19 General: No significant damage to the driver, they had to replace the lightpost Feb 11 16:36:42 it is still freezed on the RD image... Feb 11 16:36:48 Kernel info etc.... Feb 11 16:36:50 No tires, no brakes, bad aerodynamics, lots of power and you've got to get it around corners with a boat wheel. Feb 11 16:37:06 RST38h, no crumple zones. ;) Feb 11 16:37:06 t3rminat0r_, it was booting normally last time I talked to you. what did you do? Feb 11 16:37:35 General: Well, the engine crumpled very very well Feb 11 16:37:37 I pulled of the wire USB Feb 11 16:37:42 and now it is still Feb 11 16:37:50 General: Withlots of spare distance left to crumple, too Feb 11 16:38:27 if I pull off the battery???? (is it a bad idea?) Feb 11 16:38:37 won't hurt anything Feb 11 16:38:44 did you already reflash diablo? Feb 11 16:38:44 :) Feb 11 16:38:48 no... Feb 11 16:38:53 since then Feb 11 16:39:09 I wait on the same freeze image... Feb 11 16:39:16 I will pull the battery now Feb 11 16:39:20 (wish me luck) Feb 11 16:39:25 have to wait til like friday for this picoUPS to get in Feb 11 16:39:41 Shuttle KPC K45 psu sucked horribly and died after 4 months Feb 11 16:39:58 qwerty12: my friend and mentor :D have you discovered similar dbus-send functionality for pidgin? :D Feb 11 16:40:21 Woolly-work, no, sorry, I don't use pidgin Feb 11 16:40:34 more watts with less space Feb 11 16:40:47 rated watts != output watts :) Feb 11 16:40:59 outputs 120 Feb 11 16:41:00 qwerty12: alrighty, thanks anyway :D Feb 11 16:41:17 stock psu was 100.. and how that thing actually lasted 4 montsh i'll never know Feb 11 16:41:25 the small fan was spinning 293043208439238 rpms Feb 11 16:41:29 ALWAYS Feb 11 16:41:53 Woolly-work, I searched pidgin dbus and found some hopeful results for python code :) Feb 11 16:42:02 i think it grinded from the first day i turned it on Feb 11 16:42:14 Macer, right but just because it says "120 watts" on the side doesn't mean it can actually output 120 watts Feb 11 16:42:31 johnx: it's a picoUPS ;) Feb 11 16:43:00 ok? that somehow means that the company selling it is 100% honest? Feb 11 16:43:11 johnx: that's what I've been looking at, but currently only stuff on getting information from pidgin using dBus Feb 11 16:43:23 johnx: of course not Feb 11 16:43:35 but it has no fan :) Feb 11 16:43:58 it's just an adapter brick Feb 11 16:44:09 ah... no fan == guaranteed wattage output Feb 11 16:44:10 got it :) Feb 11 16:44:17 i doubt i even need more than 70W Feb 11 16:44:29 but i'm sure it can at least hit 100 even if they have it rated to 120 Feb 11 16:44:36 johnx: picoPSU is actually scaringly powerful Feb 11 16:44:47 yeah. I ate a 250W power supply, then switched down to a 200W and had no problems yet Feb 11 16:44:50 i have one in my office for the stuff we're doing Feb 11 16:45:12 Stskeeps: you get the plate for the slot? Feb 11 16:45:26 I was getting computer brownouts, right down to flickering power LEDS :) Feb 11 16:45:28 Macer: slot? Feb 11 16:45:38 for the circle part to plug it in Feb 11 16:45:50 ah, dont think so Feb 11 16:45:53 it's a $2 plate with a circle drilled into it Feb 11 16:45:59 what did you do.. just run the cable out the case? Feb 11 16:46:02 Woolly-work, http://arstechnica.com/software/news/2007/05/pidgin-2-0.ars/4 :) Feb 11 16:46:19 Macer: yeah, and we have a professor in industrial design on staff so he tinkers.. Feb 11 16:46:38 you get all the fun professors to play with :P Feb 11 16:46:39 ah :) i see Feb 11 16:46:44 yah.. mine were prunes Feb 11 16:46:44 haha Feb 11 16:47:01 johnx: the more theoretical people could drink me under the table though Feb 11 16:47:07 thanks johnx Feb 11 16:47:08 although i think my humanities professor wanted to have sex with all the guys at one time Feb 11 16:47:41 she had that 60yr old dirty librarian look about her Feb 11 16:48:03 right Feb 11 16:48:20 * Myrtti takes few steps away from Macer Feb 11 16:48:24 :) Feb 11 16:48:37 * Stskeeps ponders idly where his newly acquired 74gb backup space came from Feb 11 16:48:53 i'm still pissed my english professor gave me a B... she actually took showing up into consideration Feb 11 16:49:09 never no mind i breezed through her course's work Feb 11 16:49:23 i guess getting my zfs setup to be raidz 120gb-120gb-160gb from 74gb-120gb-160gb Feb 11 16:49:42 johnx: I can't find the site for flashing Feb 11 16:49:47 www.maemo.org? Feb 11 16:49:52 ~flashing Feb 11 16:49:52 ~flashing Feb 11 16:49:53 rumour has it, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Feb 11 16:50:23 t3rminat0r_: what site? Feb 11 16:50:32 johnx: solca's going to attempt with a mer port to the ADP1 btw (G1, the developer version) Feb 11 16:50:38 Over 96% efficiency Feb 11 16:50:47 heh Feb 11 16:50:53 ah, neat Feb 11 16:51:02 http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware this? Feb 11 16:51:10 those rotten false advertisers Feb 11 17:00:23 well I lost my Nokia 9300 on ebay today the price went to high for me Feb 11 17:00:52 Over $100 for a 3 year old used phone lol Feb 11 17:01:15 ordered a K45 panel for a slimdvd Feb 11 17:06:45 hey.. I'm trying to build a package but I get this message always.. Feb 11 17:07:26 No rule to make target `/usr/share/cdbs/1/rules/patchsys-quilt.mk'. Feb 11 17:07:33 apt-get install quilt Feb 11 17:07:34 meh, seems like my tasks for mer 0.8 will .. be done through mer, on the mertop :P Feb 11 17:07:37 :curses his laptop:\ Feb 11 17:10:10 * thopiekar 's N800 is now at dug, a nokia certificated repair shop Feb 11 17:10:42 qwerty12: thanks it works Feb 11 17:12:07 Stskeeps, hard drive dying or what? Feb 11 17:12:47 johnx: im not sure really Feb 11 17:12:57 it often doesnt show bios bootup screen either Feb 11 17:13:06 * thopiekar is repacking streamripper for maemo4.1 with fresh dependences... Feb 11 17:13:17 im working on erasing out stuff and then im handing it in for repair at my work Feb 11 17:13:31 ah, nice Feb 11 17:13:52 ah, had something similar happen to a friend's laptop and it was actually a faulty inverter attached to the LCD I believe Feb 11 17:14:04 worked fine on an external monitor though Feb 11 17:20:49 * GeneralAntilles had to replace the inverter on a PowerBook recently. Feb 11 17:21:00 Apple laptops aren't very much fun to work on. Feb 11 17:22:03 the white macbooks showed a termporary change in that trend, but that new 17" pro doesn't look user serviceable... Feb 11 17:25:09 johnx.... man somethink is wrong with the N810... Feb 11 17:25:22 I try to connect it with my rooter Feb 11 17:25:30 and it doesn't connect Feb 11 17:25:38 (even with free access) Feb 11 17:25:39 does it boot now? Feb 11 17:25:53 yes. it boot in maemo Feb 11 17:26:01 did you reflash diablo? Feb 11 17:26:05 no Feb 11 17:26:08 I try it Feb 11 17:26:15 but it even Feb 11 17:26:25 does'nt recognize the USB cable.... Feb 11 17:26:51 make sure you use the USB cable from Nokia and keep trying Feb 11 17:37:00 yo Feb 11 17:37:05 yo Feb 11 17:37:08 yyo Feb 11 17:37:11 yo Feb 11 17:37:17 hello Feb 11 17:37:27 hello. Feb 11 17:37:54 anyone heard of whisper of MerMer Feb 11 17:38:06 for nokia Feb 11 17:38:14 itouch os hack Feb 11 17:38:44 I think daperl was pulling your leg. Feb 11 17:38:56 really Feb 11 17:39:33 mermer? don't they make guitars? Feb 11 17:39:37 too bad Feb 11 17:40:57 im still getting that "sd card in use" error with install tools(KDE) Feb 11 17:41:53 i think i have 43-7 Feb 11 17:43:39 any help? i have an 800 Feb 11 17:44:33 yo Feb 11 17:44:55 we hear you Feb 11 17:45:05 well Feb 11 17:45:11 sry Feb 11 17:46:08 might be good to include as much info as you can. if you already posted on itt, just give us a link. if not just put the whole error on pastebin and link it here Feb 11 17:46:21 ok Feb 11 17:46:34 I don't think many people here use KDE on their tablets though... Feb 11 17:46:44 o Feb 11 17:46:56 i just thought id try it Feb 11 17:48:30 im actually at school so it migh take a while to post the log Feb 11 17:48:50 fuzzybunny_901, shouldn't you be learning and not playing on irc :) Feb 11 17:49:28 im actually not in class at the moment Feb 11 17:55:56 here Feb 11 17:56:14 u got it Feb 11 17:56:32 no. I didn't. all I got was "fuzzybunny_901 has quit (Excess Flood)" Feb 11 17:56:57 lol Feb 11 17:57:01 ~pastebin Feb 11 17:57:02 [~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you can paste anything over 3 lines without flooding the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://www.rafb.net/paste Feb 11 17:57:09 * qwerty12 remembers someone doing that to me over pm on irc :P Feb 11 17:58:34 how do i use? Feb 11 17:58:54 RST38h, around? Feb 11 17:59:23 fuzzybunny_766, you go to the site, and paste something, then click submit and give me the link Feb 11 18:00:11 ok Feb 11 18:00:22 need that pastebin link again? Feb 11 18:00:26 http://pastebin.com/m45268e72 Feb 11 18:00:32 ok. thanks Feb 11 18:00:39 welcome Feb 11 18:02:13 do you have some file from your internal sd card open? is your tablet connected to a computer by USB? Feb 11 18:02:31 not when i install Feb 11 18:02:52 but i have to go now Feb 11 18:03:03 will u be online tonight Feb 11 18:03:03 before you try again try formatting your card so it's blank to start with Feb 11 18:03:07 nope Feb 11 18:03:16 will be asleep then at work Feb 11 18:03:21 ok thanx again Feb 11 18:03:24 does anybody knows Ti 84+ screen resolution? Feb 11 18:03:34 bye Feb 11 18:03:38 sure, no problem, later Feb 11 18:03:55 wazd_n800, wikipedia says 96×64 Feb 11 18:05:55 hmm, seems like it's different from Ti 85,86 Feb 11 18:06:33 4:3 or something Feb 11 18:08:34 yep, Ti 85 is 128x64 Feb 11 18:09:00 thanks qwerty12 ) Feb 11 18:09:11 np Feb 11 18:15:04 Ti 84+ is very extravagant device) Feb 11 18:15:48 so much curves to draw Feb 11 18:19:47 j Feb 11 18:20:08 im stuck in limbo Feb 11 18:43:26 Where is located usb-host package for OS2008? I can't find it... Feb 11 18:44:30 to enable usb host mode. look for usb otg or usbcontrol Feb 11 18:44:56 or here: http://wiki.maemo.org/USB_host_mode Feb 11 18:46:31 yes, but I tried http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/usbcontrol/ and it says "incompatible app" Feb 11 18:46:46 reMoo Feb 11 18:47:23 Zic, tried the usb otg plugin? Feb 11 18:47:29 that's what I'm using right now Feb 11 18:47:52 you're on the latest OS2008 release, right? Feb 11 18:47:58 johnx: I don't want to have a permanent applet in the statusbar, is it what usb-otg-plugin provides ? Feb 11 18:48:03 johnx: yeah :) Feb 11 18:48:18 yeah, it's a permanent applet Feb 11 18:48:29 but you can just remove it when not in use :P Feb 11 18:48:39 as for usbcontrol Feb 11 18:48:50 an applet or an icon on the statusbar ? Feb 11 18:49:16 yes, it's a 'statusbar applet' Feb 11 18:49:53 ok Feb 11 18:50:12 now, am i silly for wanting usb rescue menu for my tablet and able to g_file_storage the internal hd? Feb 11 18:50:20 tablet=laptop Feb 11 18:50:48 ah, macs had that Feb 11 18:50:53 firewire target disk mode Feb 11 18:51:28 scaringily, this -does- have firewire.. Feb 11 18:51:34 anyone can say whatever they want about macs but doing support for about 50 macs was the same as the workload for about 15 PCs Feb 11 18:52:38 wtfff Feb 11 18:52:48 my bios screen doesnt come up Feb 11 18:52:51 -but xubuntu does- Feb 11 18:52:53 O_o Feb 11 18:52:56 nice Feb 11 18:53:03 it's that old xubuntu magic Feb 11 18:53:13 is the LCD slow turning on maybe? Feb 11 18:53:30 if you attach it to an external LCD does the BIOS show up there? Feb 11 19:13:32 ah. i have the answer whats broken Feb 11 19:13:34 the cpu fan. Feb 11 19:13:52 its not supposed to sound like a fish flabbering around in a bucket. Feb 11 19:15:07 you're right. mine sounds more like a squirrel and some rocks in a shoebox falling down the stairs... Feb 11 19:18:59 So what's new and exciting tonight? Feb 11 19:20:04 im cleaning out my tablet to send it in for repairs while it still runs :P Feb 11 19:20:13 What did you do to it? Feb 11 19:20:16 not sure Feb 11 19:20:18 wow, what happened? Feb 11 19:20:18 Or rather, waht's broken? :P Feb 11 19:20:21 the pandora forums are down. yesterday was Japan's "National Foundation Day" Feb 11 19:20:22 suddenly the fan started acting up Feb 11 19:20:25 err.. not tablet Feb 11 19:20:25 laptop Feb 11 19:20:32 jesus, whats with me tonight Feb 11 19:20:38 More snow. Feb 11 19:20:44 Stskeeps: here, have a cup of coffee Feb 11 19:20:50 Myrtti: i just had one :P Feb 11 19:20:55 Stskeeps: too much nokia hacking ;) Feb 11 19:21:07 so now im on my mertop and chatting from there. Feb 11 19:21:09 * RST38h found a wiki with TI83 info Feb 11 19:21:22 osso-xterm on what, 14 inch, is nice. Feb 11 19:21:43 certainly doesnt hurt your eyes.. Feb 11 19:21:56 Stskeeps: ok Feb 11 19:22:01 going to install this mer stuff now :) Feb 11 19:22:08 hehe, good Feb 11 19:22:13 where do i get it? Feb 11 19:22:14 heh Feb 11 19:22:19 Although hildon-desktop is a bitch, I thought it was my code or the gcc opts I'm using to compile the library were shit - no, it's the fucking desktop file Feb 11 19:22:43 Macer: http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer , click Releases, i think Feb 11 19:22:47 .. that was making cpl segfault Feb 11 19:23:14 Myrtti: curious, what theme and OS version do you use on your 770? Feb 11 19:23:22 k Feb 11 19:23:28 it works right? Feb 11 19:23:31 :) Feb 11 19:24:41 Stskeeps: IT2008HE and I guess it's the default one as I usually manage to crash it before changing the theme Feb 11 19:25:07 Sts: THAT bug! Feb 11 19:25:24 if I try to launch about any app before OMWeather has updated the weather info, the damn thing crashes Feb 11 19:25:38 ie. reboots Feb 11 19:26:22 Myrtti, tried using a swap file and installing 'seatbelt'? Feb 11 19:26:37 johnx: sure, and no Feb 11 19:26:56 it's supposed to tweak memory allocation to prevent crashes Feb 11 19:27:20 doesn't matter anyway, as soon as I get my hands on my n800, the 770 is going to get Mer innit Feb 11 19:28:01 n800: 32 days, 2 hours, 32 minutes and counting Feb 11 19:28:17 out for repair or ...? Feb 11 19:28:19 going to wipe my maemo sd for this Feb 11 19:28:19 :) Feb 11 19:28:24 hope it works Feb 11 19:28:32 we Feb 11 19:28:37 ll see Feb 11 19:28:48 heh Feb 11 19:29:03 i don't use it much anyways Feb 11 19:29:28 johnx: I bought it from a Jaiku friend, but since he lives in UK, my bf paid it and it was delivered to his address. I'm going to UK in 32 days anyway so no use of mailing it to me Feb 11 19:29:32 installing bootmenu... Feb 11 19:29:37 (bf lives in uk as well) Feb 11 19:30:03 eep. reminds me that I have to get the shipping address for my pandora changed... Feb 11 19:30:26 "merinstaller" ? Feb 11 19:30:36 that is interesting.. will be nice if this all does it on its own Feb 11 19:30:45 johnx: don't worry, you'll have years to do it... Feb 11 19:31:24 qwerty12_N800, and you'll have years to save for an n900. With the GBP as it is it should be a coupple grand, right? Feb 11 19:32:36 gr Feb 11 19:32:42 kekekeke Feb 11 19:32:44 had the damn swap partition going Feb 11 19:32:50 have to disable it and reboot and try again :) Feb 11 19:32:50 haha Feb 11 19:32:54 OOPS Feb 11 19:32:57 then Nokia have just priced themselves out of a market... Feb 11 19:33:13 and into a different one? Feb 11 19:33:15 qwerty12_N800: or the GBP gone down the drain Feb 11 19:35:01 Stskeeps: will there be plans to put mer on the n8x0 as default onto the internal flash once it is a little more stable? Feb 11 19:35:31 Macer, look further down the same page you downloaded from :) Feb 11 19:35:53 johnx: heh.. sorry.. got to file.install and quit reading :) Feb 11 19:35:57 i'm installing it now Feb 11 19:36:09 heh :) no worries. but yeah, there's a flash image too Feb 11 19:36:25 i wouldn't do it just yet.. i need to try it out Feb 11 19:36:31 in my case I'll probably always be booting from SD card simple for space reasons Feb 11 19:36:33 but i will look into it if it works well Feb 11 19:36:46 johnx: well.. if it is like linux.. wouldn't you just be able to mount the space? Feb 11 19:36:49 s/simple/simply Feb 11 19:36:54 ;) Feb 11 19:37:15 * Macer pictures mounting internal and external sd partitions Feb 11 19:37:21 silly debian! I want to build texlive but it depens on findutils and findutils depends on dejagnu, which depends on texlive.. how can I break.. the wall of dependences? Feb 11 19:37:39 well yeah, but why bother having one system that depends on both things working perfectly when I can sacrifice 256MB for redundancy? Feb 11 19:37:49 true Feb 11 19:38:23 mer-armel-n800-image-v0.7.tar.gz is 140M? Feb 11 19:38:24 heh Feb 11 19:38:42 thopiekar, what architecture do you have that doesn't have a texlive package? Feb 11 19:38:43 does it have built in dev tools or something? Feb 11 19:38:58 johnx: Maemo doesn't have one IIRC Feb 11 19:39:16 johnx: armel...^^ Feb 11 19:39:42 ah Feb 11 19:40:04 s/armel/maemo.diablo(armel) @ sb1 Feb 11 19:40:30 2.5 mins until this mer download is done Feb 11 19:40:34 VDVsx : You want your URL to be http://wiki.maemo.org/GSoC_2009, not http://wiki.maemo.org/GSoC_2009/ Feb 11 19:40:37 let me see if UPS brought some of my K45 parts Feb 11 19:40:47 finally i need texlive for chromium-bsu (a space game) Feb 11 19:40:52 i need my damn K45 parts :) Feb 11 19:41:32 Jaffa, thanks Feb 11 19:41:52 VDVsx: I've set up a redirect since the former's been distributed Feb 11 19:41:55 s/former/latter/ Feb 11 19:41:56 Jaffa meant: VDVsx: I've set up a redirect since the latter's been distributed Feb 11 19:42:32 http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Redirect for reference Feb 11 19:42:36 * Jaffa foods Feb 11 19:42:47 Jaffa, good :) Feb 11 19:42:52 awesome Feb 11 19:42:54 it showed up Feb 11 19:44:48 thank god. i thought this stupid face plate crap wouldn't come with the slim dvd burner screws Feb 11 19:47:33 Macer: You should sell your K45 for $50 to a stranger! =) Feb 11 19:49:52 should i be scared i could actually consider using mer day-to-day on a laptop? :P Feb 11 19:50:32 * qwerty12_N800 couldn't, matchbox sucks with it's one window policy Feb 11 19:50:37 at this point: maybe a little Feb 11 19:50:43 s/it's/its/ Feb 11 19:50:46 heh Feb 11 19:50:51 on the other hand, i am doing a shitload less task switches Feb 11 19:50:54 millions of windows users do the same thing anyways Feb 11 19:50:55 and i concentrate on the job at hand Feb 11 19:51:21 My screen also has one window policy though Feb 11 19:51:36 ^A n - and I am in a different window Feb 11 19:51:44 no problems so far =) Feb 11 19:51:45 hehe. true, i do double it with Feb 11 19:51:48 screen Feb 11 19:54:13 anyone know how i get grep to work recursively? Feb 11 19:54:27 grep -r sadf * Feb 11 19:54:28 -r Feb 11 19:54:43 RST38h: no way Feb 11 19:54:49 * Stskeeps starts up mauku on mertop. Feb 11 19:54:55 i love it... if the stock psu wasn't such a piece of crap Feb 11 19:55:11 if you want to grep dotfiles in $CWD too, use "grep -r foo ." instead Feb 11 19:55:17 lcuk: -r Feb 11 19:55:34 ta guys :) Feb 11 19:55:46 Macer: Just a few days ago, you cursed K45, Shuttle, and Chinese in general Feb 11 19:55:56 * RST38h remembers everything Feb 11 19:56:30 of course.. the cheap chinese psu died Feb 11 19:56:31 :) Feb 11 19:56:46 but it wasn't really that it was chinese or that it broke.. it is just that it was made to break Feb 11 19:57:05 meaning.. the thing came out with very little quality control and a disgusting sounding fan right off the bat Feb 11 19:57:51 RST38h, you remember everything? the internet must be a very traumatizing place for you... Feb 11 19:58:20 hah Feb 11 19:58:30 in the end though i believe we blamed it all on ourselves? :) Feb 11 19:58:43 johnx: (he must be chinese) Feb 11 19:58:51 kind of like when black people hear the N-word Feb 11 19:59:51 johnx: I only remember information I can later use to blackmail people =) Feb 11 20:00:01 heh Feb 11 20:00:06 doesn't really narrow it down Feb 11 20:00:47 johnx: it does, if you consider things everybody does as unsuitable for blackmail Feb 11 20:00:51 * Stskeeps ponders if this thing runs openttd. Feb 11 20:01:10 hi Feb 11 20:01:11 * RST38h sitll wonders how to play OpenTTD, after all this time Feb 11 20:01:28 openttd is brilliant. ive played TT since i was like 15 or something :P Feb 11 20:01:36 * johnx farms out compiles to machines in other countries Feb 11 20:03:07 outsourcing :> Feb 11 20:03:22 so after bootmenu is done Feb 11 20:03:26 i can reboot and start mer? Feb 11 20:03:27 :) Feb 11 20:03:36 did you install bootmenu first? Feb 11 20:03:39 and then install mer Feb 11 20:04:04 no.. i just ran the mer installer Feb 11 20:04:06 PalmOS ROP Feb 11 20:04:10 RIP Feb 11 20:04:16 and it just finished installing bootmenu Feb 11 20:04:25 Macer: then run the utilities -> install bootmenu Feb 11 20:04:32 although i did already have bootmenu installled Feb 11 20:04:34 ah.. ok Feb 11 20:04:35 it only updates the bootmenu config in installer Feb 11 20:04:43 oh Feb 11 20:04:45 ok Feb 11 20:04:45 you need the spezuhl deblet bootmenu so :P Feb 11 20:06:12 uhm... Feb 11 20:06:59 strange.. why do i have deblet options after the install? Feb 11 20:07:03 :) Feb 11 20:07:11 cos you had those items in your rootfs probably Feb 11 20:07:11 i have a mer boot screen .. nice logo Feb 11 20:07:18 nice looking boot screen actually Feb 11 20:07:23 wazds :) Feb 11 20:07:39 seems like there is a graph that is supposed to be moving but it looks kind of stuck towards the beginning Feb 11 20:07:48 ah.. there it goes :) Feb 11 20:07:55 it is a bit slow starting but so it goes Feb 11 20:08:27 yeah.. it is taking quite a while Feb 11 20:08:36 i like the boot screen though Feb 11 20:08:52 wow.. this takes an extremely long time :) Feb 11 20:08:58 we aren Feb 11 20:09:03 t that optimized yet Feb 11 20:09:23 what are the other deblet options for? Feb 11 20:09:36 i couldn't help but notice that it boot off p3 Feb 11 20:09:42 you have tried to install deblet before Feb 11 20:09:49 and hence the boot configuration was resident in the rootfs still Feb 11 20:09:51 long time ago... thought i wiped it though Feb 11 20:09:52 and copied into your initfs Feb 11 20:09:55 ah Feb 11 20:09:58 well.. that sucks :) Feb 11 20:10:04 have to get rid of that some day Feb 11 20:10:10 you can remove them in rootfs /etc/bootmenu.d and refresh_bootmenu.d Feb 11 20:10:45 ah.. i will work on that stuff once this thing boots Feb 11 20:11:04 almost half way across the screen with the graph ;) is there a way to see what it's doing while it boots? Feb 11 20:11:24 like hit the home key to get rid of the splash? Feb 11 20:11:34 and watch what it's doing? Feb 11 20:11:35 yeah, hold down home key when it boots initially and select in the rescue menu Feb 11 20:11:47 crap.. heh Feb 11 20:12:01 wish i asked sooner .. don't want to stop it now Feb 11 20:12:35 WELL... let me go ahead and like.... smoke a cigarette and hopefully it will be done when i get back Feb 11 20:12:48 its taking longer than i expected it would :P Feb 11 20:13:57 pIn. Feb 11 20:14:03 Andre__? Feb 11 20:14:12 Where do control panel bugs go? Feb 11 20:15:16 timelE61i, settings and maintenance > control panel Feb 11 20:15:43 comments about both fremantle and diablo welcome. you know... ;-) Feb 11 20:17:35 * Stskeeps should probably upgrade the mer control panel Feb 11 20:17:45 ok dude Feb 11 20:17:51 i am starting to suspect that something is wrong here Feb 11 20:17:52 :) Feb 11 20:18:00 it has been stuck at the same spot for like 4 minutes Feb 11 20:18:32 Macer: hmm. reboot and enable console mode Feb 11 20:18:40 (pop ze battery) Feb 11 20:18:44 yah Feb 11 20:18:45 have to Feb 11 20:18:48 andre: no comments abouit frem, no idea if it works Feb 11 20:18:52 And i don't care Feb 11 20:19:02 My mer now runs most apps from diablo Feb 11 20:19:30 mer control panel is the fremantle one btw, just not very updated Feb 11 20:20:34 hm... ok Feb 11 20:20:50 mm_ Feb 11 20:20:54 ? Feb 11 20:20:55 the kernel flew by... and now i'm at just a screen with the background from the splash Feb 11 20:20:56 Sts: but these are applets Feb 11 20:21:01 timelE61i: ah Feb 11 20:21:21 oh.. m.. it's making an ssh dsa key Feb 11 20:21:25 ah Feb 11 20:21:32 well thats normal Feb 11 20:21:46 um Feb 11 20:21:59 Clicking ok in date and time seems to crash cpl Feb 11 20:22:26 well if its on top of mer, i am inclined to think most things will break :P Feb 11 20:22:34 i am positively surprised when anything works, really Feb 11 20:22:55 heh Feb 11 20:23:05 well... i just put in usernames and passwords Feb 11 20:23:12 so i guess that first bad boot was a fluke? Feb 11 20:23:16 yeah, i guess so Feb 11 20:23:20 solar flare or something Feb 11 20:23:21 :P Feb 11 20:23:48 heh Feb 11 20:24:03 wow.. this looks amazingly maemo Feb 11 20:24:05 :) Feb 11 20:24:12 well.. hildon i should say Feb 11 20:24:21 the theme is actually not the one from maemo :P Feb 11 20:24:35 its a similar one, made by zenvoid, but it has some nice things for non-hildon apps Feb 11 20:24:38 well.. the theme is nicer ;) Feb 11 20:24:51 i'm wondering what this thing is doing now Feb 11 20:25:20 !!Settings Feb 11 20:25:23 ? Feb 11 20:25:26 !! Feb 11 20:25:33 makes it more exciting Feb 11 20:25:33 only panels ? Feb 11 20:25:40 Macer: our strings arent exactly finished, yeah Feb 11 20:25:53 Macer: no control panels yet, all of the nokia ones are closed, so :P Feb 11 20:25:59 mer features: more action!! Feb 11 20:26:00 except for panels.. for some strange reason Feb 11 20:26:04 !!Hello Feb 11 20:26:12 !!MERFTW Feb 11 20:26:14 ??Error Feb 11 20:26:27 Themes will be there soon (in a knockoff form) ;) Feb 11 20:26:39 hah Feb 11 20:26:41 wow... Feb 11 20:26:57 i was expecting it to be a little farther along than this :) Feb 11 20:27:19 Always wrong thing to assume about Linux distros Feb 11 20:27:25 the parts that are farther along are the parts that are harder to see :) Feb 11 20:27:43 Yea, that is also usual Feb 11 20:27:45 haha Feb 11 20:27:49 !!INSTALL Feb 11 20:27:50 :) Feb 11 20:27:55 Macer: 2 months you know.. Feb 11 20:28:22 yeah.. the base looks nice Feb 11 20:28:31 might want to throw a wifi manager in there somewhere :) Feb 11 20:29:07 it's in the statusbar. just tap Feb 11 20:29:33 but I'm off to sleep now Feb 11 20:29:36 nini Feb 11 20:29:51 oh Feb 11 20:29:55 that's what that is :) Feb 11 20:30:00 hopefully I'll get a chance to work on zaurus imager at work tomorrow :> Feb 11 20:30:00 whay do i have 2 menus on the left now? Feb 11 20:30:03 Hello Feb 11 20:30:12 Macer: known issue, is in sprints list :P Feb 11 20:30:36 how do i get rid of one? :) Feb 11 20:30:42 it's gnawing at my soul haha Feb 11 20:30:48 two is better than one.. Feb 11 20:31:22 only if they are different Feb 11 20:31:27 2 here is redundant :) Feb 11 20:31:48 you are denying the argument of twin girls? :P Feb 11 20:31:56 special circumstance Feb 11 20:32:02 multitouch Feb 11 20:32:09 one for each hand Feb 11 20:32:14 ummm finger Feb 11 20:32:21 it looks good Stskeeps Feb 11 20:32:34 * lcuk goes back to bein poorly Feb 11 20:32:35 minus the 2 menus an the "!!" s Feb 11 20:33:03 Macer: the amazing part is really not the interface. the amazing synergy comes when you try to install ubuntu stuff. or enable red pill and show all packages Feb 11 20:33:16 and your tablet goes to a grinding halt for a while, while it sorts and indexes most of ubuntu.. Feb 11 20:33:26 and you can use most of it quite directly Feb 11 20:33:38 well.. right now i'm still looking on how to get rid of the 2nd menu :) Feb 11 20:33:46 .osso/ somewhere probably Feb 11 20:36:57 .osso only has on applications.menu Feb 11 20:36:58 hm Feb 11 20:37:08 how do i reboot the thing? do i have to do it from a term? Feb 11 20:37:09 :) Feb 11 20:38:21 sudo reboot from perm Feb 11 20:38:23 term Feb 11 20:38:41 yeah... already did it Feb 11 20:39:18 hm Feb 11 20:39:23 the 2 menus just stay there? Feb 11 20:39:30 sts.. you have a wiki on how to fix this issue with the 2 menus? Feb 11 20:39:36 shit like that drives me nuts :) Feb 11 20:40:50 * r2d2rogers runs imager for Mer on his 770 again Feb 11 20:42:02 Macer: nop, im stuck with two too atm Feb 11 20:42:04 ctrl dosn't work in the term? Feb 11 20:42:05 :) Feb 11 20:42:10 yeah, that too Feb 11 20:42:24 haha Feb 11 20:42:30 there -are quirks-, but on the other hand, this is a big construction spot Feb 11 20:42:42 I have just installed MER and it is superb!!!!! Feb 11 20:42:46 we are basically tearing apart most of maemo and fitting it back together Feb 11 20:42:52 thanx to all developers Feb 11 20:42:58 T3rmy: did you try sudo apt-get install php5-mysql yet? :P Feb 11 20:43:04 :) :) Feb 11 20:43:12 I have already installed the whole server Feb 11 20:43:14 :) Feb 11 20:43:15 hehe Feb 11 20:43:18 and it works great Feb 11 20:43:20 :) Feb 11 20:43:24 but one more thing.... Feb 11 20:43:31 any good web browser? Feb 11 20:43:32 ok... go ing to wait for .8 Feb 11 20:43:39 in the meantime i'll try android out for this thing Feb 11 20:43:39 :) Feb 11 20:43:44 I have the server but not the browser :S Feb 11 20:43:50 i can't live with the 2 menus Feb 11 20:43:56 T3rmy: sudo apt-get install midori; reboot Feb 11 20:43:57 that shit will drive me nuts Feb 11 20:44:14 Macer: sadly(?) 0.8 will be a bit of a boring release, but yeah Feb 11 20:44:22 0.9 will hopefully be more exciting Feb 11 20:44:27 hey.. if you fix the 2 menu thing Feb 11 20:44:29 i'll be happy :) Feb 11 20:44:31 it is very nice Feb 11 20:44:44 i like the theme and the way it displays things.. it is prettier than stock hildon Feb 11 20:44:57 you should have seen when we didnt have this theme.. Feb 11 20:44:59 :P Feb 11 20:45:07 did it have 4 menus? :-D Feb 11 20:45:14 nah Feb 11 20:45:19 just plankton theme instead Feb 11 20:45:22 ah Feb 11 20:45:35 you might want to make a special mer icon looking thing for the applications menu Feb 11 20:45:36 ;) Feb 11 20:45:48 maybe the logo you use for the booting Feb 11 20:46:20 * Macer points at the windows vista windows symbol menu and grins Feb 11 20:46:40 Stskeeps: I also noticed that in fennec Feb 11 20:46:56 when I tried to insert number Feb 11 20:46:59 I could'nt... Feb 11 20:47:34 but Stskeeps .. it really is amazing for 2 months of work Feb 11 20:47:56 i especially like the boot menu thing you have going on that gives you choices to do things by holding the home key Feb 11 20:50:16 T3rmy: n810? Feb 11 20:50:37 yeap Feb 11 20:50:42 known issue Feb 11 20:50:46 working on it atm Feb 11 20:50:49 (and also where is the power off button?) Feb 11 20:51:26 how may I restart???? Feb 11 20:51:35 the power button doesn't Feb 11 20:51:41 work :S Feb 11 20:53:04 hm... Feb 11 20:53:49 T3rmy: terminal, sudo reboot Feb 11 20:54:25 can't I show up the screen-keyboard? Feb 11 20:54:51 yes you can, as far as i know Feb 11 20:54:58 tap the console Feb 11 20:55:23 yes... Feb 11 20:55:27 in console Feb 11 20:55:31 in fennec? Feb 11 20:56:04 hm Feb 11 20:56:15 i'm guessing you don't have repositories by default? Feb 11 20:56:22 i just switched to red pill mode Feb 11 20:56:42 Macer: talking to me? Feb 11 20:56:42 and don't have new things to install haha Feb 11 20:57:03 Macer: talking to me? Feb 11 20:57:10 no Feb 11 20:57:12 Stskeeps Feb 11 20:57:53 Macer: did you enable the Feb 11 20:58:02 show all packages thing in tools -> settings Feb 11 20:58:03 or something Feb 11 20:58:51 don't see that option anywhere Feb 11 21:01:05 mm, well it comes when you active red pill, for the session Feb 11 21:01:22 i did activate it Feb 11 21:02:28 oh Feb 11 21:02:32 ok.. it just popped up.. wierd Feb 11 21:03:16 ugh.. this 2nd menu is irking the shit out of me :) Feb 11 21:03:21 hehe Feb 11 21:03:31 this would be very awesome if it wasn't there anymore :) Feb 11 21:04:24 should have installed the power monitor first Feb 11 21:04:31 it's updating the reps now Feb 11 21:04:54 the load applet thing is in top Feb 11 21:04:55 i have to seriously figure out a way to get rid of one of these damn menus though.. it's like driving a car with a broken rearview mirror Feb 11 21:05:06 Stskeeps: can you delete hildon-theme-selector? Feb 11 21:05:20 is the menu a process? Feb 11 21:06:16 qwerty12_N800: source and everything? Feb 11 21:07:05 Stskeeps: yep. I've got it here & I've added the control panel applet. I'm just generating the changelog entry. Feb 11 21:07:07 Macer: think you might need to restart hildon for it to act nicely, not sure. find what causes it and we will fix it in a heartbeat :P Feb 11 21:07:30 heh Feb 11 21:07:41 let me install a few things on it first and see if i can fix it Feb 11 21:07:59 i'm still waiting for the reps to update Feb 11 21:08:09 in red pill mode ... i'm guessing this will take quite a while heh Feb 11 21:08:22 then i'll restart hildon and see what happens Feb 11 21:08:59 this will actually be great once i'm able to get rid of this 2nd menu Feb 11 21:10:05 qwerty12_N800: done Feb 11 21:10:22 k Feb 11 21:11:56 so just killall -HUP hildon-desktop ? Feb 11 21:12:53 wow.. these are a lot of pkgs Feb 11 21:13:39 yup Feb 11 21:13:56 ok... will try it once this is done updating Feb 11 21:14:05 looks like it might take a while heh Feb 11 21:14:16 i dont think HAM was even built for that Feb 11 21:14:17 :P Feb 11 21:15:30 hm... Feb 11 21:15:46 i think killall -HUP hildon-desktop was not a good thing haha Feb 11 21:16:34 looks like i am going to ahve another pull the battery moment :) Feb 11 21:18:38 nope.. still 2 menus Feb 11 21:20:19 wtf Feb 11 21:20:37 just had a crash :) for raising the volume of the sound? Feb 11 21:20:40 yeah Feb 11 21:20:41 no sound Feb 11 21:20:45 also, dont touch rotation Feb 11 21:20:45 :P Feb 11 21:22:04 haha.. Stskeeps .. it looks very good.. and a very probable replacement for maemo Feb 11 21:22:12 but it is way too immature for actual use Feb 11 21:22:13 well, on tablets Feb 11 21:22:21 and i agree, we have a way to go Feb 11 21:22:27 but what we have accomplished so far, is impressive Feb 11 21:22:39 i mean, timeless has actually put most of diablo on top :P Feb 11 21:22:58 it really is very nice... and has a ton of potential Feb 11 21:23:02 i am sitting and chatting from you from Mer on my Via C3 1ghz laptop. Feb 11 21:23:07 from=to Feb 11 21:23:19 heh Feb 11 21:23:26 but i am going to try android out ;) Feb 11 21:23:31 until mer gets nicer Feb 11 21:23:40 hehe Feb 11 21:23:53 you might want to make the install program wipe the bootmenu data on a fresh install Feb 11 21:23:57 or give the option to do so Feb 11 21:24:12 nah, its intentional we only touch our own Feb 11 21:24:20 when we get the clone to SD people to use bootmenu.d.. Feb 11 21:24:56 i see... but it would be nice for a freestyle mindless install Feb 11 21:27:38 yeah, admittedly Feb 11 21:27:54 but the idea is that we dont want to wipe others bootmenu data, cos thats what everyone else does, we want a grub-like menu :P Feb 11 21:28:55 i see Feb 11 21:29:10 well.. i'm going to wipe my sd now Feb 11 21:29:11 ;) Feb 11 21:29:20 have fun Feb 11 21:29:28 and work on getting android on it although from what i can tell.. it's even more of a pain Feb 11 21:29:39 ddid you guys give up on deblet? Feb 11 21:29:48 and focus strictly on mer? Feb 11 21:30:43 Did solca get the kexec stuff in nitdroid btw? Feb 11 21:31:10 Macer: mer is the successor of deblet so Feb 11 21:31:57 and mer can do most things deblet would have been able to, so Feb 11 21:34:02 T3rmy: if you are still around, you should try sudo apt-get update; apt-get install xserver-xorg-input-evdev; reboot, and see if it helps on Fn problems. Feb 11 21:35:41 Stskeeps: I will do it now Feb 11 21:35:45 something more Feb 11 21:36:07 do you know if in midori in any text box may I turn on the scren keyboard? Feb 11 21:36:12 no clue Feb 11 21:36:27 lo b-man Feb 11 21:36:29 that bad? Feb 11 21:37:26 i had to walk a mile in heavy rain :P Feb 11 21:37:48 hehe Feb 11 21:38:13 i had my tablet and a laptop along in the worst rain storm ive ever been in.. im surprised they both survived that trip Feb 11 21:38:29 hehe Feb 11 21:39:10 i mostly had to walk because my parents never showed up at my practice :P Feb 11 21:39:48 haha pwned Feb 11 21:40:04 my parents always showed up at mine :) Feb 11 21:41:09 mine too, but not today :P Feb 11 21:41:20 :P Feb 11 21:42:32 Stskeeps: btw, i'll try building those blueman packages today, i was having technical issues yesterday and i wasn't able to build them :\ Feb 11 21:42:48 b-man|soaked: hehe, its fine, i had them conflict with our gtk i think Feb 11 21:43:00 hmm Feb 11 21:43:06 b-man|soaked: btw, i have built a new -evdev package, it may solve your Fn problems on n810 too Feb 11 21:43:19 cool :) Feb 11 21:43:43 hello, qwerty12_N800 :) Feb 11 21:43:48 qwerty12_N800: i think you added a space in the front of your message Feb 11 21:43:53 and then the builder didnt pick it up Feb 11 21:44:05 hi b-man|soaked :) Feb 11 21:44:12 hehe Feb 11 21:44:17 Stskeeps: damn :/ Feb 11 21:46:52 * Stskeeps grrs at ports.ubuntu.com Feb 11 21:53:24 r2d2rogers: 1) can you check if your imager has kernel-diablo-modules in foundations/mer, if not, 2) see if kernel-diablo-modules are no longer in the resulting image, btw Feb 11 21:53:29 Stskeeps: we' ve got a problem... Feb 11 21:53:32 then i can make another thing green Feb 11 21:53:40 * b-man|soaked trys adding a navigation menu to bman.maemobox.org/projects/ubuntu-n8x0/screenshots/gallery.html to see how it looks Feb 11 21:53:48 after apt-get update; apt-get install xserver-xorg-input-evdev; reboot Feb 11 21:53:59 I can't boot in mer :S Feb 11 21:54:27 how far does it get? Feb 11 21:55:00 it completed the whole procedure Feb 11 21:55:01 and it only installed evdev right? Feb 11 21:55:10 yes Feb 11 21:55:14 Stskeeps: I got an error on trying to install HAM last run Feb 11 21:55:20 r2d2rogers: oh, right, yeah Feb 11 21:55:24 im working on that atm Feb 11 21:55:25 Broadcast message from tmpt@tmpt-tablet Feb 11 21:55:26 (/dev/pts/1) at 23:46 ... Feb 11 21:55:31 was the last message Feb 11 21:55:35 (sorry for the flood) Feb 11 21:55:36 ivideochat.com doesn't work under maemo/microb Feb 11 21:56:13 T3rmy: everyone floods this channel sometimes ;) Feb 11 21:56:25 T3rmy: mm, enable rescue menu (hold down home key), and select the console item Feb 11 21:58:59 in maemo? Feb 11 22:00:09 in mer, just after selecting it in boot menu and pressing center/enter Feb 11 22:00:20 I can't boot in mer... Feb 11 22:00:30 I reboot and hole the Menu key Feb 11 22:00:35 it doesnt even get to the splash screen? Feb 11 22:00:38 as in the pretty mer logo Feb 11 22:00:48 but it only boots in maemo (as never had been er) Feb 11 22:01:00 exactly... :( Feb 11 22:01:25 so it doesnt show the mer splash? strange Feb 11 22:01:32 reboot, hold down menu key until boot menu shows up? Feb 11 22:01:40 yes... Feb 11 22:01:54 previously it showed also the text about Feb 11 22:02:02 holding menu key Feb 11 22:02:11 hmm Feb 11 22:02:24 run utilities->install bootmenu Feb 11 22:02:25 Hi there. Feb 11 22:02:28 again, and it may work Feb 11 22:02:29 lo ShutteR77 Feb 11 22:03:00 i try it now Feb 11 22:03:09 Are you alredy read this news - http://www.andreagrandi.it/2009/02/11/maemo-on-google-summer-of-code-2009/ ? Feb 11 22:03:52 ShutteR77: yeah, VDVsx spoke of it earlier Feb 11 22:04:11 ShutteR77: it is like code jam last year? Feb 11 22:04:44 T3rmy, yech Feb 11 22:04:58 pretty good :) Feb 11 22:05:14 best utility for maemo :) Feb 11 22:06:12 I reading my friend feed and faind this news Feb 11 22:06:23 find* Feb 11 22:06:46 Are you use friend feed too? Feb 11 22:06:59 * Stskeeps boots his tablet into mer Feb 11 22:07:02 Stskeeps: congrats... Feb 11 22:07:07 it worked Feb 11 22:07:15 T3rmy: good Feb 11 22:07:18 now about the pacage you gave me Feb 11 22:07:25 it was for the Fn keys? Feb 11 22:07:27 yes Feb 11 22:07:37 did it worked on you? Feb 11 22:07:41 *work Feb 11 22:07:52 i dont have a n810 Feb 11 22:08:54 Stskeeps: thanks to timeless and yours truly, we've now got a fully functional theme selector that can be ran from hildon desktop's drop down menu with 'select theme' (and the control panel) :) Feb 11 22:09:35 sts: so Feb 11 22:09:38 qwerty12_N800: woo Feb 11 22:09:57 qwerty12_N800: package name Feb 11 22:10:01 ? Feb 11 22:10:05 I'm about 5 strings from a 0.1.2 beta Feb 11 22:10:09 qwerty12_N800: awsome :) Feb 11 22:10:26 I should have it in 30 mins Feb 11 22:10:27 timelE61i: alright, fixed the 'other strings' issue? Feb 11 22:10:29 Stskeeps: hildon-theme-selector (metapackage) Feb 11 22:10:32 Stskeeps: the Fn buttons still don't work. In case that I would try to fill some text boxes.. how would it be possible? Feb 11 22:10:35 b-man: :) Feb 11 22:10:46 It won't include other locale pos Feb 11 22:10:49 k Feb 11 22:11:03 (is there any way to have always on the screenkeyboard?) Feb 11 22:12:23 T3rmy: you could install matchbox-keyboard or xkbd Feb 11 22:13:54 directly in mer? Feb 11 22:14:06 (which do you prefer?) Feb 11 22:14:36 in mer or in a chroot is fine :) Feb 11 22:17:21 b-man: should I restart? Feb 11 22:17:21 sts: so, I'm about 5 strings from a 0.1.2 beta. I should have it in 30 mins. It won't include other locale pos Feb 11 22:18:29 T2rmy: if you are in mer allrety, you shuld be able to install it from apt and run it from there Feb 11 22:19:04 or application manager) Feb 11 22:19:10 I installed matchbox-keyboard Feb 11 22:19:17 timelE61i: sounds good :) Feb 11 22:19:26 qwerty12_N800: thumbs up on this package :) Feb 11 22:19:32 (and thanks to timeless too) Feb 11 22:20:20 the x.. Feb 11 22:20:25 there isn't Feb 11 22:20:45 Stskeeps: :) Feb 11 22:22:32 the sdk icon for themes is rather fugly :p Feb 11 22:22:54 b-man: the other keyboard how is it named exactly? Feb 11 22:23:08 qwerty12_N800: yes, it is Feb 11 22:23:28 qwerty12_N800: works a charm. just tested with tritanium from extras and plankton Feb 11 22:23:42 qwerty12_N800: butever doubleclicking themes icon may show multiple dialogs up Feb 11 22:23:52 as in, its not a singleton Feb 11 22:24:05 T3rmy: you will need to install xkbd manually, it isn't available from mer/ubuntu repos, you will need to install it manually; http://pupnik.de/xkbd.html Feb 11 22:24:25 ahh, i hate this keyboard :P Feb 11 22:24:43 qwerty12_N800: adding to mer foundation Feb 11 22:24:55 (hildon-input-method) Feb 11 22:25:54 Stskeeps: that can be fixed in the bash script that runs the perl script (cpl doesn't agree with system() & .pl scripts) easily, maybe I'll do so when I'm at a computer - my wrists are a little weird atm :) Feb 11 22:26:03 qwerty12_N800: hehe Feb 11 22:26:12 qwerty12_N800: someone should really donate you a BT keyboard or something :P Feb 11 22:26:35 qwerty12_N800: feel free to mark it 100% as i just tested it too Feb 11 22:26:44 hehe, Addison offered once :D Feb 11 22:27:37 b-man: the install file? Feb 11 22:27:41 which one? Feb 11 22:28:16 try the os2008 version - that one worked for me ;9 Feb 11 22:28:23 ;) Feb 11 22:29:19 b-man: so what are the major differences from the installer in bzr and the one you have atm? Feb 11 22:29:19 OS2008 xkbd deb ??? Feb 11 22:29:44 lo daperl Feb 11 22:30:00 sts: but first i have to fight vpn Feb 11 22:30:06 T3rmy: OS2008 Feb 11 22:30:21 timelE61i: i read that as 'fight you' and got a little scared :P Feb 11 22:31:02 Stskeeps: just a fuew tweeks to fix some variable problems Feb 11 22:32:35 hm Feb 11 22:33:41 b-man: alright.. well let us get them into the bzr. got time now to take a glance? Feb 11 22:35:21 Stskeeps, how are things? I'm in parenting mode so my productivity will suffer for the next 5 days. But I have all the basic building blocks ready to go. Feb 11 22:35:51 daperl: good good, and fair enough on productivity, mine has been bad this week too - laptop fan has keeled over Feb 11 22:35:53 Stskeeps: yes, but i'm having issues obtaining one of the bzr keys nessasary for me to upload changes to merinstaller on launchpad Feb 11 22:36:06 b-man: ok, ssh-keygen -t rsa usually does the trick Feb 11 22:36:16 and then contents of ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub onto lp Feb 11 22:36:59 Stskeeps: it is a different key, i allrety have a ssh key uploaded Feb 11 22:37:12 *diffrent Feb 11 22:37:25 mm, and it fails to work for you? Feb 11 22:37:32 yes :( Feb 11 22:37:41 does the ssh key match the one you have on the account you are using bzr from? Feb 11 22:37:48 yes Feb 11 22:38:43 and the ssh key you have upload is in ~/.ssh/id_rsa and id_rsa.pub (or id_dsa and id_dsa.pub) Feb 11 22:39:07 yes Feb 11 22:39:47 Stskeeps, bummer. About a week ago, I lost a day after my dev machine had an MBR failure. Good luck. Feb 11 22:40:21 daperl: ah, thank god i have learnt my lesson about backups after losing pictures and code since 2003 Feb 11 22:40:32 b-man: hmm. Feb 11 22:40:42 b-man: what do you do to try and upload? Feb 11 22:40:58 Sts: bummer, i don't have internet access from home Feb 11 22:41:26 b-man: did you set your bzr launchpad-login correctly? Feb 11 22:42:23 Stskeeps; i believe so Feb 11 22:42:49 that is, bzr launchpad-login yourlaunchpadlogin Feb 11 22:44:57 Stskeeps, I didn't lose anything; my partition table was intact. But the surgery took a while. What's a backup? Feb 11 22:45:22 GeneralAntilles, around?) Feb 11 22:46:09 daperl: it is what you wish you had when you lose most of your pictural memories because when you were fixing your file server did the stupid decision to migrate a hd in the backup system from one building to another.. and on the way, the hd falls out of the plastic bag on to the very hard concrete slab underneath Feb 11 22:47:08 Stskeeps: it is telling me "The user b-man has not registered any SSH keys with Launchpad." ---- but i do have a ssh key registered in launchpad but it doesn't seem to se it :P Feb 11 22:47:10 sts: ever actually done that? Feb 11 22:47:37 re: see Feb 11 22:47:52 Stskeeps, I'm finishing Ti's and starting freerunner ui btw) Feb 11 22:48:00 wazd_n800: hehe, alright Feb 11 22:48:10 timelE61i: yes, which is why i have backups now. Feb 11 22:48:19 b-man: sure its b-man? hmm Feb 11 22:48:27 Wow Feb 11 22:48:28 i thought your login was mcbekanize or something Feb 11 22:48:50 it's b-man Feb 11 22:48:53 Sts: so... I'm probably going to punt on releasing Feb 11 22:49:01 Stskeeps: settled on http://pastebin.com/m57fec5f0 for the multiple theme window thing Feb 11 22:49:10 Not having working internet/vpn makes this too hard Feb 11 22:49:30 * daperl thinks: "note to self -- do backups tomorrow" Feb 11 22:49:49 GeneralAntilles, I forgot, do you want 84 or 83+ Hello Kitty skin?) Feb 11 22:50:33 lol Feb 11 22:51:26 84 was really tough one Feb 11 22:52:11 Stskeeps: please ping me when you have the HAM sorted out Feb 11 22:52:12 b-man: your login is mckenzba Feb 11 22:52:55 r2d2rogers: will do, its a bit awkward error Feb 11 22:53:42 b-man: so try with that Feb 11 22:54:24 Stskeeps; it's working now Feb 11 22:54:27 * b-man is an idiot XP Feb 11 22:54:29 b-man: hehe Feb 11 22:55:14 Stskeeps: aren't they always? ;) thanks Feb 11 22:55:17 * b-man finally can apply updates Feb 11 22:55:35 yay Feb 11 22:57:47 r2d2rogers: well this one is stranger than most :P Feb 11 22:58:13 b-man: I can't close the matchbox-keyboard .... Feb 11 22:58:16 any ideas? Feb 11 22:58:33 t3rminat0r: i thought you wanted on screen keyboard on, all the time :) Feb 11 23:01:35 blah :) Feb 11 23:01:53 Stskeeps: but now I need to close it....:S Feb 11 23:02:06 t3rminat0r: killall -9 matchbox-keyboard Feb 11 23:02:11 I press the same button that I pressed.... Feb 11 23:02:16 ohhhhhhhhhhhh god.. Feb 11 23:02:25 I forget that I use linux Feb 11 23:02:27 :) Feb 11 23:02:30 hehe Feb 11 23:02:53 b-man: keep me updated when the bzr is fully updated.. branch off the one already there Feb 11 23:03:16 Stskeeps: ok :) Feb 11 23:09:09 Stskeeps; hmm, i'm getting a "Committing to: /merinstaller/.... bzr: ERROR: no changes to commit. use --unchanged to commit anyhow" error :/ Feb 11 23:09:45 but i used bzr commit -m "Fixed an issue with fuser and tweeked a fuew variables" Feb 11 23:10:45 bzr status Feb 11 23:10:55 bzr diff Feb 11 23:11:04 thanks Feb 11 23:14:57 bbl sleep Feb 11 23:18:07 hum Feb 11 23:18:16 does N810 use standard power adapters? Feb 11 23:24:58 iirc, yes, it uses a standard nokia charger Feb 11 23:25:04 hm Feb 11 23:30:08 luke-jr, nokia plug Feb 11 23:30:12 these are AC-4e Feb 11 23:30:18 you need ones with at least 800 mA output and the small nokia plug Feb 11 23:30:24 most "replacements" deliver only 400-500 mA Feb 11 23:30:30 AC-4e delivers 890 mA Feb 11 23:30:46 t_s_o, "standard" Feb 11 23:30:50 why nokia couldn't even use a normal 5V plug.. Feb 11 23:30:56 or especially the USB port. Feb 11 23:30:58 just add a second one Feb 11 23:31:00 it'd easily fit Feb 11 23:32:58 well Feb 11 23:35:14 AStorm: standard for all recent nokia phones at least ;) Feb 11 23:35:59 sure, usb charging would have been nice, but i suspect that nokia used what they had available in terms of hardware, more often then not... Feb 11 23:38:56 if it needs > 500 mA, usb charging wouldn't be really possible anyway... Feb 11 23:43:04 common in walmarts? :/ Feb 11 23:45:36 eg, should I buy a N810 w/ no charger for $155? :þ Feb 11 23:47:14 $167 I mean Feb 11 23:47:59 luke-jr: You can find compatible chargers in Walmart, but not the same current rating. Feb 11 23:48:12 :/ Feb 11 23:48:30 They'll charge slower, and may not be enough to maintain a constant charge under heavy usage while plugged in. Feb 11 23:48:40 likely I can get a good charger for $10? :þ Feb 11 23:49:14 But they will charge eventually (overnight) and you can do typical usage without it going backwards. Feb 11 23:49:31 A good enough one, imho. Feb 11 23:49:59 Other options include USB charging cables, for ~$2 at dealextreme. Feb 11 23:50:18 I thought someoen just said N810 wouldn't take a charge via USB Feb 11 23:50:29 But unless you have a singularly stronmg USB port, they are as bad as the walmart chargers or worse. Feb 11 23:50:49 They have a USB port on one end, and a 2mm jack on the other end. Feb 11 23:51:12 But 5V isn't really enough... Feb 11 23:51:13 oh, so it's data OR charge? Feb 11 23:51:33 They're handy though, with USB pattery packs that often output 6V or so. Feb 11 23:51:47 hm Feb 11 23:51:57 No, the N810 has a 2mm power port, and a microUSB data port. Feb 11 23:52:17 Mek, it works w/ <500mA, but charges slowly when used Feb 11 23:52:32 The cables I'm talking about plug into the PC's USB port and the N810's power port. Feb 11 23:52:34 benh, 5V is enough Feb 11 23:52:38 sorry Feb 11 23:52:44 benson, it is enough Feb 11 23:52:46 You can still use another cable for data. Feb 11 23:52:49 $167 for a N810 minus AC adapter.. what do yuo think? Feb 11 23:53:05 luke-jr, cheap Feb 11 23:53:10 get it? Feb 11 23:53:14 AStorm: I've heard it only gets to 80% or so with many USB ports? Feb 11 23:53:33 luke-jr: I'd consider it a good deal. Feb 11 23:53:37 80%? voltage? Feb 11 23:53:47 80% charge state. Feb 11 23:53:52 nah Feb 11 23:54:09 90% or so Feb 11 23:54:27 the problem is ofc current-limited charge phase of li-ion Feb 11 23:54:53 I only got some USB cables yesterday, but it only went to 75% with my USB battery (left it on for ~1 hour at 75%) Feb 11 23:55:09 But I'm willing to consider my battery pack is out of regulation. ;) Feb 11 23:55:29 it probably fails to delivr rated 500 mA Feb 11 23:55:32 It did mesh with what I've heard elsewhere, though. Feb 11 23:56:14 heheh, you're right. it's rated 5V 350mA. Feb 11 23:56:18 got it for $177.01 Feb 11 23:57:28 luke-jr: for the difference between that and new (~$220), you could probably buy a well-used 770 with charger (it's the same). Feb 11 23:57:42 Have fun with it! Feb 11 23:57:58 new is ~$220 now? :o Feb 11 23:58:09 hm Feb 11 23:58:15 how is the included car charger? Feb 11 23:58:19 could I just leave it in the car? Feb 11 23:58:40 I don't think a car charger is included? It wasn't with my N800... Feb 11 23:58:58 :o Feb 11 23:59:15 But I found a $6 car charger I picked up was stronger than a (similarly cheap) wall charger, Feb 11 23:59:27 it was on par with the Nokia AC4U wall charger. Feb 12 00:00:57 http://cgi.ebay.com/AC4U-OEM-HOME-WALL-CHARGER-FOR-NOKIA-8GB-N810_W0QQitemZ270340990475QQcmdZViewItemQQptZPDA_Accessories?hash=item270340990475&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66:2|65:1|39:1|240:1318 Feb 12 00:01:01 is that the good charger? Feb 12 00:01:11 I think because it's easier (less heat dissipation in the voltage regulator) to keep it strong when regulating from 12VDC, but it's cheaper (use cheaper components) to go weaker with a wall charger. Feb 12 00:01:28 Yes, AC-4_ are the 890mA. Feb 12 00:01:37 AC-4U is the US model. Feb 12 00:01:56 Other letters mean different prongs for other nation's plugs. Feb 12 00:02:10 benson: did the N800 include car mount and GPS? Feb 12 00:02:16 (The guts are all the same, it handles 100~24V.) Feb 12 00:02:24 s/24/240/ Feb 12 00:02:24 benson meant: (The guts are all the same, it handles 100~240V.) Feb 12 00:02:42 No, it didn't have either. Feb 12 00:03:10 For all I know, the N810 may come with a car charger; I just hadn't known it did... Feb 12 00:03:52 thats a funny thing about chargers. most products made in europe or asia will have chargers that can handle most domestic voltages, US products may well only handle 110... Feb 12 00:04:26 Many US products handle both voltages, too. Feb 12 00:04:46 heh, maybe its improving over the years Feb 12 00:04:59 I think most, from what I've seen, but I don't pay much attention... Feb 12 00:05:17 probably. Feb 12 00:05:37 could be that the ones that do are imports, tho. but no real clue there... Feb 12 00:06:05 Aren't all the European products imported from China, too? :p Feb 12 00:06:45 the cheap and unreliable ones ;) Feb 12 00:07:38 hrmf, i would not have a issue with using webkit.-eal if it would recover itself on a crash, rather then default to a somewhat broken microb... Feb 12 00:10:54 hm Feb 12 00:13:26 back to maemo Feb 12 00:13:30 :) Feb 12 00:16:48 gentoo =) Feb 12 00:16:57 there is a flashback Feb 12 00:21:30 yay Feb 12 00:21:30 $20 off coupon Feb 12 00:25:35 is there a way to stop the tablet from asking to save the network I'm attaching to? Feb 12 00:30:01 yep, save it ;) Feb 12 00:44:51 there's no reason for me to save an unsecured network...and most of the ones I connect to are unsecured Feb 12 00:45:39 more accurately about 1/2 Feb 12 00:52:20 well if they are networks you use regularly, the tablet can detect and connect quickly next time Feb 12 00:53:04 I just don't want it to ask. If I want it saved, I'll set it up Feb 12 00:53:19 Not a huge deal, but if it's doable... Feb 12 00:53:24 sorry, no idea Feb 12 00:54:29 np :) Feb 12 01:03:36 I suspect Nokia just forgot about that option Feb 12 01:07:47 AStorm: one more reason to get a replacement going ;) Feb 12 01:08:03 what does mer use? gnome network manager? Feb 12 01:08:17 hey a new version of boafm :D Feb 12 01:09:50 yes Feb 12 01:09:53 I suspect wicd would work too Feb 12 01:11:05 heh, im not up to speed on wifi configureation tools for linux, i use it on desktops mostly Feb 12 01:11:26 altho i ponder getting a aspire one, as there seems to be a 1GB ram model going around Feb 12 01:16:04 I presume there's a decent free GPS app? :þ Feb 12 01:16:54 luke-jr, maemo mapper Feb 12 01:17:06 uses google maps, openstreet maps, yahoo maps, some others too Feb 12 01:17:11 you can pick Feb 12 01:17:16 for routing, uses google maps Feb 12 01:17:17 maemo-mapper, if you like raster maps. Feb 12 01:17:42 benson, anything working with vector ones? Feb 12 01:18:01 (no, not openstreet, those thoroughly suck, I'm improving them) Feb 12 01:18:02 There's a few others with vector maps, and there is the built-in one. Feb 12 01:18:22 the Map app is ok, but ofc not free Feb 12 01:18:28 Which has maps free, but no routing/directions without paying. Feb 12 01:18:54 and the maps they offer for my area are old Feb 12 01:18:55 :> Feb 12 01:19:06 heh, always a potential problem Feb 12 01:19:40 not too old, but a few years Feb 12 01:19:40 like 3 year old Feb 12 01:19:51 enough to be bothersome Feb 12 01:25:10 heh, reminds me of some family members that ended up on a recently opened road, the buildt in gps of the car claimed they where in the middle of a field... Feb 12 01:27:10 ok, im seriously in love with boafm :P Feb 12 01:33:17 anyone here ever have problems with Claws mail crashing upon checking for new mail? I saw no reports of such behavior on the forums, garage, or Claws' site. I'm shocked to think I'm the first. Feb 12 01:39:32 soap: How big's the mailbox? Feb 12 01:39:43 ~500MB Feb 12 01:39:54 most of which is already on the device. Feb 12 01:40:46 There seemed to be a large difference in memory usage between just having the mail headers on the device, and actually retrieving messages with it. Feb 12 01:40:57 that I have seen Feb 12 01:41:05 (even only retrieving a small number of messages) Feb 12 01:41:29 But if you have swap enabled, it should become unusably slow before it crashes. Feb 12 01:41:34 I'm actually (trying to) retrieve far fewer messages than normal. Have 500MB on there currently, trying to get ~2MB of new. Feb 12 01:42:10 It didn't crash (w/o swap) when I initially synced the mailbox. Feb 12 01:42:40 Yeah. That is what I was describing. Feb 12 01:42:48 I was able to sync the mailbox without issue. Feb 12 01:43:10 But upon checking for new mail, it became unusably slow (w/swap). Feb 12 01:43:23 hmm. Feb 12 01:43:38 I've been using it for months, it has full messages on it locally. Feb 12 01:43:43 At this point I just ditched it and went back to using webmail. Feb 12 01:44:13 I'm addicted to my IMAP Feb 12 01:44:27 Yes, IMAP is fantastic. Feb 12 01:44:30 slow I can handle, crash is another thing. Feb 12 01:44:42 But all the mail clients on the tablet suck for large mailboxes. Feb 12 01:45:08 That I've noticed. I might move some of my less-frequent archive off-line and see if that works. Feb 12 01:45:35 I just set up horde/imp on my IMAP server. Feb 12 01:45:50 Also kind of slow, but it works from anywhere. Feb 12 01:46:33 screenshots look decent - as in sufficiently lacking in eye-candy to possibly be functional. Feb 12 01:46:41 Then all you have to worry about is the browser being flaky, but people seem dedicated to fixing those kind of problems. Feb 12 01:47:06 thanks for your input - wife is calling 'dinner'. Feb 12 01:47:14 Good luck. Feb 12 02:03:59 blah. work tomorrow Feb 12 02:04:08 i need to shove a ton of damn videos on my n800 to bring with Feb 12 02:04:20 heh... too bad there aren't any interesting shows anymore Feb 12 02:15:00 Robot Chicken, Venture Bros, True Blood got a lot better as the season went on, the list is long. Feb 12 02:15:52 triple core amd phenom Feb 12 02:15:53 what an abortion Feb 12 02:16:01 they should be ashamed selling those :) Feb 12 02:16:28 do they call a "working" phenom a phennom II? Feb 12 02:41:16 nothing wrong with a triple core phenom Feb 12 02:41:56 the price/performance is pretty damn good Feb 12 02:45:54 Macer: afaik, Intel sells Core 2 Trios Feb 12 02:46:18 i've never seen a trio Feb 12 02:46:19 heh Feb 12 02:46:23 only duos Feb 12 02:46:46 Proteous: i just can't do the lemon cpu Feb 12 02:47:01 all CPUs are like that Feb 12 02:47:06 they come off of one big die Feb 12 02:47:17 but not all are from design flaw Feb 12 02:47:19 they test em to see how fast they will go and put them into different bins Feb 12 02:47:25 Proteous: except the very highest end Feb 12 02:47:26 i could understand speed testing Feb 12 02:47:32 it's not a super exact science Feb 12 02:47:35 and rating Feb 12 02:47:43 but a 3 core amd is just a design flaw Feb 12 02:47:45 :) Feb 12 02:47:47 better not look into GPUs Feb 12 02:47:56 all of them have a ton of dead cores on them Feb 12 02:47:56 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813153114R Feb 12 02:48:03 Macer: I bet those dual cores are quads with 2 broken cores Feb 12 02:48:14 wow that is a beast of a mini itx Feb 12 02:48:26 hm, I wonder if you can get a three-core, and hack it to enable the fourth at a slower speed Feb 12 02:48:30 for special-purpose stuff Feb 12 02:48:52 no Feb 12 02:48:56 heh i doubt it Feb 12 02:48:58 anyhow, I'm mostly happy with my good old Athlon64 3200+ (predates dual core) Feb 12 02:49:00 they are hard cut Feb 12 02:49:02 which is my newest CPU Feb 12 02:49:09 Proteous: solder? :þ Feb 12 02:49:19 the only real CPU issue I've had is playing 1080p Feb 12 02:49:21 rating speeds are different from design flaws Feb 12 02:49:23 no, laser cut the traces Feb 12 02:49:28 and tbh, I don't think that's really a CPU issue Feb 12 02:49:29 macer, not really Feb 12 02:49:46 the speed that it will run is directly dependant on the flaws in the die Feb 12 02:49:50 Macer: what do you do if 3 cores can go at 3 GHz, but one is only up to 1 GHz par? Feb 12 02:49:57 Macer: underclock the 3 cores to match the 1? Feb 12 02:50:02 flaws of a die are like flaws in a diamond Feb 12 02:50:17 that is something a little more natural than "oops. we fucked up the design and now can't use a core" Feb 12 02:50:18 diamonds don't give you back 5 when you add 2 and 2 on them Feb 12 02:50:31 Macer: what do you do if 3 cores can go at 3 GHz, but one is only up to 1 GHz par? Feb 12 02:50:41 Macer: that is probably the "can't use a core" scenario Feb 12 02:50:48 it's just not up to the same speed rating as the other 3 Feb 12 02:51:13 but it was still a design flaw Feb 12 02:51:17 either way, you don't have to buy any, that just leaves more $119 3 core CPUs for me Feb 12 02:51:23 and what idiot will understand "quad core; 3x 3 GHz and 1x 1 GHz"? Feb 12 02:51:29 that will just confuse the heck out of the average consumer Feb 12 02:51:36 hahaha... yeah i suppose so Feb 12 02:51:49 Proteous: 119? :) Feb 12 02:51:52 it's not a design flaw, it's a manifacturing flaw Feb 12 02:52:04 and it's inherent in the process Feb 12 02:52:06 anyone have a N770 they want to get rid of? :þ Feb 12 02:52:52 ebay seems to be out Feb 12 02:52:55 <.< Feb 12 02:52:58 Proteous: a 4 core (working) phenom is 189 Feb 12 02:52:59 hard to find nowdays Feb 12 02:53:02 2.8GHz Feb 12 02:53:06 luke-jr: I get a lot of mileage out of my 4400+ Brisbane Feb 12 02:53:16 my $119 3 core can OC to 3ghz Feb 12 02:53:25 triple core 2.3 is 87 Feb 12 02:53:47 you could pay $100 more for 2 cores you aren't even going to be using anyway Feb 12 02:53:49 heh Feb 12 02:53:58 not with current OSs Feb 12 02:54:03 2.4 is 126 (triple core) Feb 12 02:54:28 $60 for a faster working core? Feb 12 02:55:02 2.5 quad core is 175 Feb 12 02:56:09 price performance sweet spot for me: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103295 Feb 12 02:56:11 $49 for a "non-lemon" working quad core over a triple core :) Feb 12 02:56:26 black edition, so the mulitplier isn't locked Feb 12 02:58:13 darkblue_B: what's that? Feb 12 02:58:50 either way. i'm looking i'm still pretty stuck on that mboard tho Feb 12 02:59:47 onboard geforce 8200 am2+ mini itx Feb 12 02:59:57 that would be a hell of a small system :) **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Feb 12 02:59:58 2009