**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Feb 15 02:59:59 2009 Feb 15 03:00:04 brb Feb 15 03:01:23 great Feb 15 03:01:26 trying Feb 15 03:03:42 stuck on waithing for headers Feb 15 03:03:48 ok downloading now Feb 15 03:04:37 somebody should update the pymaemo website Feb 15 03:07:34 great got it to work Feb 15 03:13:29 u rock beford Feb 15 03:13:31 GTG Feb 15 03:13:44 i got my sdict-viewer to work Feb 15 03:13:50 Just wat i was looking for Feb 15 03:13:53 thx Feb 15 03:14:12 finally got maemo sdk installed Feb 15 03:14:22 lots of dns weirdness Feb 15 03:15:15 bef0rd: OK. Feb 15 03:15:24 don't like the way it load balances to various ip's, then failed the entire install on the first timeout without any retries Feb 15 03:19:49 How can I get keys like Alt on my n810? Feb 15 03:50:34 so, anyone here using my 0.1.2pre strings and have feedback? Feb 15 03:53:17 err Feb 15 04:41:01 we're all doomed Feb 15 04:41:14 the US has cyborg spy beetles in the works Feb 15 04:41:19 http://www.technologyreview.com/computing/22039/?a=f Feb 15 04:41:21 that fly Feb 15 04:41:33 I want one :P Feb 15 04:41:34 and yes Feb 15 04:41:39 and they can carry cameras Feb 15 04:42:24 I wonder how they're price compares with a decent R/C helicopter... Feb 15 04:42:31 s/they're/their/ Feb 15 04:42:31 jaem meant: I wonder how their price compares with a decent R/C helicopter... Feb 15 04:45:09 Anyone here have experience with Android running on the Nokia n810? Feb 15 04:47:13 #NITdroid Feb 15 04:54:01 i'm pretty sure it isn't #maemo :). but yes people have mentioned it. personally i don't feel it's topical Feb 15 04:58:23 How can I do an Alt key on my N810? Feb 15 06:38:43 Does anyone know if it's true that Android on the n810 doesn't have sound? Feb 15 06:40:15 can i make apps installl to the removable memory? i'm running out of oom. Feb 15 06:40:21 room Feb 15 06:40:59 sandman, android doesn't have sound (yet) Feb 15 06:41:28 there's close source components needed for that Feb 15 06:41:56 I see. Feb 15 06:42:03 And those cannot be acquired for the n810? Feb 15 06:42:38 Well, it's just sad, anyway. It would seem that the iPhone has multitouch, also, whereas the G1 does not. This is due to some patent BS, from what I understand Feb 15 06:42:45 Which pisses me off. But oh well. Feb 15 06:43:20 could you possibly be pissed somewhere else? Feb 15 06:43:29 we only support drunken pissers Feb 15 06:43:46 all other kinds are respectfully asked to piss off :) Feb 15 06:48:27 Har har har. Feb 15 06:48:48 I just don't like the idea of selling out by purchasing an iPod Touch 32GiB. It is just too damn nice Feb 15 06:49:01 But I'll probably start work immediately on somehow getting Android on it =) Feb 15 06:49:22 unless you're planning on running maemo/mer on your gphone or ipod, the discussion is fairly off topic Feb 15 06:49:29 * timeless gets pissed Feb 15 06:49:32 The Apple iPod Touch hardware is so lovely. Particularly just the design of the thing. It reeks of usefulness. But the software on it is balls, imho. Feb 15 06:49:49 Oh, right. I forgot which channel I was in Feb 15 06:49:54 Shiny! Shiny! Feb 15 06:49:54 I thought I was in #android lol Feb 15 06:50:10 please look before pissing Feb 15 06:50:19 timeless: I'll remember that. Feb 15 07:45:07 Greetings all! :) Feb 15 07:46:04 hello Feb 15 07:46:19 on tablettalk I read about power saving issues for the n810 Feb 15 07:46:23 related to wifi Feb 15 07:46:33 Hi name that's unpronouncable! :) Feb 15 07:46:38 are these fixed? Feb 15 07:46:42 me? Feb 15 07:46:45 first name udo Feb 15 07:46:48 rest is surname Feb 15 07:46:54 abbreviated of course Feb 15 07:47:20 I'm trying to say your name out loud right now, and I'm coming up empty. :( Feb 15 07:47:35 udo? you must be english-speaking then? Feb 15 07:47:40 think of judo Feb 15 07:47:41 How does one say it phenotically (sp?)? Feb 15 07:47:44 without the 'j' Feb 15 07:47:57 the dutch 'u' is different from the english 'u' Feb 15 07:48:07 I don't think english has that u Feb 15 07:48:18 Okay, got that part, now how about the "vdh"? Feb 15 07:48:31 short for `van den heuvel` Feb 15 07:48:44 Dah? Feb 15 07:48:51 that's my surname Feb 15 07:48:55 means something like Feb 15 07:49:01 `from the hill` Feb 15 07:49:31 but what about the n810 power saving? Feb 15 07:49:36 suspending? Feb 15 07:49:37 etc? Feb 15 07:50:35 That wasn't my post. Feb 15 07:51:06 I only post stupid questions that people typically ignore. *lol* Feb 15 07:54:03 udovdh, what "issues"? Feb 15 07:54:05 See: Feb 15 07:54:08 ~wifi-psm Feb 15 07:54:09 [wifi-psm] http://wiki.maemo.org/Wifi_Power_Saving_Mode_(PSM) Feb 15 07:54:29 GeneralAntilles, about wifi using up power is what i read yesterday Feb 15 07:54:35 and now about suspend not working well? Feb 15 07:54:42 let me first see that wiki Feb 15 07:54:55 empty article? Feb 15 07:55:14 Qwerty! How's my favorite big brained intellectual doing tonight? Feb 15 07:55:42 udovdh, your client didn't handle the URL properly Feb 15 07:55:53 Close the parens at the end Feb 15 07:56:15 ah....! thanks Feb 15 07:56:17 hadnt noticed Feb 15 07:56:36 I think I put a redirect in there anyway. . . . Feb 15 07:57:52 Hello. Where can I download key of repository.maemo.org? Feb 15 07:58:18 To feed it to apt-key... Feb 15 08:00:21 then the suspending: Feb 15 08:00:32 is that working as bad as I read or is there a recent fix? Feb 15 08:01:47 udovdh, how can you fix something that isn't broken? Feb 15 08:02:13 GeneralAntilles, I read about suspend combined with watchdog not working well Feb 15 08:02:27 Ah, suspend to RAM/disk. Feb 15 08:02:33 I am still discovering the device so I am reading a lot Feb 15 08:02:48 Somebody has a setup that'll frob the watchdog to keep it up. Feb 15 08:03:00 But, I haven't played with any of it myself. Feb 15 08:03:07 Ideally, you shouldn't need to suspend at all. Feb 15 08:03:24 These aren't x86 devices, and they use practically no power when idle. Feb 15 08:03:26 reMoo Feb 15 08:03:39 So as long as you don't have something eating CPU in the background, idle is as good as suspended. Feb 15 08:03:52 General: In a way, OMAP2 *is* suspended most of the time Feb 15 08:04:00 RST38h, right. Feb 15 08:04:43 The problem with x86 is that due to its historical heritage (platform included), the current x86 designs can't be quickly suspended and unsuspended Feb 15 08:05:20 While simpler ARM designs made with battery power in mind do this fairly quickly (milliseconds) Feb 15 08:07:54 ? Feb 15 08:08:05 Traveler4 is bunanson Feb 15 08:08:12 Addison, are you there? Feb 15 08:08:58 ? Feb 15 08:09:26 Bunason! Heya! Feb 15 08:09:42 I really was hoping you would show! :D Feb 15 08:11:55 Did you get my private message Traveler4? Feb 15 08:13:08 oh yet Feb 15 08:13:18 i thought you were gone Feb 15 08:13:22 hows life? Feb 15 08:13:38 Life's been treating me like a baby treats a diaper. *lol* How about you? Feb 15 08:14:03 Hey first and foremost, I'm really curious about what your profession is. Feb 15 08:14:08 well, i guess i am alright compare to a lot of other people, not much complaint Feb 15 08:14:33 I am a practicing doctor Feb 15 08:14:46 does that help? Feb 15 08:15:10 what are you doing at 3 am in the morning Feb 15 08:18:11 gAn: so, jx doesn't like my ham install package?- warnings Feb 15 08:18:29 Hey, sorry for the long pause. Had to go grab a few beers. Yeah, I'm that excited to hear from you! :) Feb 15 08:18:46 Anyway, can we take this to a private chat? Do you know how that works? Feb 15 08:19:00 not quite sure Feb 15 08:19:10 Are you on java.freenode.net? Feb 15 08:19:18 yup Feb 15 08:19:23 Scroll down, you should see something in red. Feb 15 08:19:42 there is a pub and priv, i guess click the priv? right? Feb 15 08:31:53 ...multiple US Army laptops making their way out to unsanctioned trading posts in Pakistan... Feb 15 08:32:15 100 more years - and Pakistanis will even learn how to counterfeit these =) Feb 15 08:35:43 morn Feb 15 08:35:55 hi Stskeeps Feb 15 08:44:38 wb johnx Feb 15 08:45:15 hey Stskeeps Feb 15 08:45:28 moo, johnx, Sts qwerty Feb 15 08:45:36 * johnx_ stabs his Xfbdev build Feb 15 08:46:03 hi RST38h Feb 15 08:46:09 it linked against libts but isnt actually using it :/ Feb 15 08:46:18 mm Feb 15 08:46:37 was kb detection added btw? Feb 15 08:46:54 lcuk2, if around, the reason Meiz got "dpkg (subprocess): unable to execute post-installation script: No such file or directory" is because your postinst is in dos format Feb 15 08:46:55 not yet :( Feb 15 08:47:11 i need to fix xkbdata as well before generating anyway Feb 15 08:47:18 I'm at work right now. I'll try to take a look at it Feb 15 08:47:58 * lcuk2 has just woke up and is reading stuff, thanks qwerty i hadnt realised it had been through windows Feb 15 08:48:29 but there are other extra files which need adding as well Feb 15 08:49:33 i'll start with a clean debian folder next time :) Feb 15 08:49:44 :) Feb 15 08:49:44 Meizirkki: what does lshal | grep keyboard say on your tablet? Feb 15 08:50:30 * johnx_ installs HAL on the zaurus Feb 15 08:52:01 Stskeeps: maemo or Mer Feb 15 08:52:02 ? Feb 15 08:52:39 both if possible Feb 15 08:53:28 if it turns up no results could you pastebin the result of lshal? Feb 15 08:54:12 ok Feb 15 08:54:30 thanks :) Feb 15 08:55:15 johnx_: think we will postpone 0.8 till tomorrow evening, i tested image earlier - its fantastic but xkb and keyboard_avaliable would make it a good release Feb 15 08:55:47 (enter doesnt work in n8x0 osso xterm atm) Feb 15 08:57:01 http://pastebin.com/m7da4305a Feb 15 08:57:09 maemo ^ Feb 15 08:57:50 ta Feb 15 08:58:14 Stskeeps: thanks. :) been kinda swamped in real life last couple days Feb 15 08:58:23 johnx_: similar Feb 15 08:58:47 i haven't been at my laptop to close to 24h Feb 15 09:00:31 I've been at my computer a bit but my mind has been elsewhere... Feb 15 09:06:42 Stskeeps: in Mer: http://pastebin.com/m41b0ea95 Feb 15 09:09:38 ok, and you did not add a fdi file right? Feb 15 09:10:52 fdi file? Feb 15 09:11:17 the enter thing isn't enabled Feb 15 09:13:46 hmm...something like lshal | grep -i info.product: | grep -i keyboard Feb 15 09:13:56 sts: so... i could probably get you 0.1.2 such that you could pull it into 0.8 Feb 15 09:13:57 s/-i// Feb 15 09:13:57 johnx_ meant: hmm...something like lshal | grep info.product: | grep -i keyboard Feb 15 09:14:34 if you don't mind a couple of rough edges Feb 15 09:15:00 * timeless is still trying to figure out what to do about something Feb 15 09:16:32 johnx: lshal | grep info.product: | grep -i keyboard gives no output Feb 15 09:16:40 in Mer Feb 15 09:17:19 ah... nice catch Feb 15 09:17:21 timeless: i'll add in the beginnings of 0.9 if it's alright, i have already tested most areas so Feb 15 09:17:30 a : snuck in Feb 15 09:17:42 ok Feb 15 09:17:51 jesus, i need coffee Feb 15 09:17:53 johnx/sts/gan/jaffa: so... Feb 15 09:18:05 jx, my primary customer has complained about the install warning Feb 15 09:18:14 he thinks that my string losses too much of the disclaimer Feb 15 09:18:22 i'm looking for additional opinions Feb 15 09:18:45 he claims that a lawyer probably forced the text upon nokia, and therefore i shouldn't just do away w/ its spirit Feb 15 09:18:49 timeless: yeah. i kinda figured that would be an issue Feb 15 09:19:09 well, i'm not under contract to do this work Feb 15 09:19:25 so i'm not required to translate it to that letter Feb 15 09:19:34 on the other hand if it is a 'replacement' string set.. Feb 15 09:19:37 if the text is used in Mer Feb 15 09:19:46 or on any device which isn't Nokia issue Feb 15 09:19:57 it's hard to claim that it makes any sense Feb 15 09:19:59 well still. i think it should be clear the warning is from Nokia not from the person who releases the app Feb 15 09:20:05 heh, i occasionally wonder why the GPL isn't flashed in people's eyes more often Feb 15 09:20:18 sts: i often wonder why it is flashed where it is flashed Feb 15 09:20:22 the way ff3 does it makes sense to me Feb 15 09:20:22 a lot of windows installers flash it Feb 15 09:20:25 which is stupid Feb 15 09:20:31 more info banner than click through Feb 15 09:20:32 johnx: the infobar? Feb 15 09:20:44 yeah, it's so much better than the other ways Feb 15 09:20:50 anyway Feb 15 09:20:54 timeless: i'm going to patch xkb-data, and Provides: xkbdata btw Feb 15 09:21:00 thanks thanks! Feb 15 09:21:05 glad ubuntu and ff guys could agree on that Feb 15 09:21:07 can you fix libsdl* too? Feb 15 09:21:18 * timeless kicks all of libsdl Feb 15 09:21:24 what needs to be fixed about it? Feb 15 09:21:31 oh, and can you make galago provide libgalago-common? Feb 15 09:21:45 all of these are conflicts between ubuntu/debian and maemo Feb 15 09:21:52 making it really painful to install stuff Feb 15 09:22:14 timeless: that will be longer though :P xkbdata i am touching right now. but - we have enabled Maemo extras per standard in 0.8 Feb 15 09:22:21 so people can tell us what things wont install and why Feb 15 09:22:32 O_o Feb 15 09:22:33 wow Feb 15 09:22:38 the other ones to deal w/ are libnsp4-0d/libnss3-d Feb 15 09:22:42 that's a big step Feb 15 09:22:48 johnx_: it scaringily works most of the time Feb 15 09:22:52 those conflict w/ libnspr4/libnss3 Feb 15 09:22:54 err Feb 15 09:22:57 the other ones to deal w/ are libnsp4-0d/libnss3-1d Feb 15 09:23:19 that prevents microb from coexisting w/ fennec/thunderbird Feb 15 09:23:22 which is annoying Feb 15 09:23:49 johnx_: actually i should have asked qwerty12 to make it an 'disabled' repository, but hey, we might as well try this out and see how much of the apocalypse it brings closer :P Feb 15 09:24:03 heh Feb 15 09:24:07 johnx_: ATI85 works, for instance. Feb 15 09:24:26 people won't be able to ask what they should do with mer at least :> Feb 15 09:24:27 sts: i could give you a dump of my installed packages if you're curious :) Feb 15 09:24:35 timeless: yeah, i actually am Feb 15 09:24:43 alright, lemme see if backup works :) Feb 15 09:24:47 Stskeeps, if you want it disabled, I can update the package. Feb 15 09:25:00 qwerty12: nah, i think this is a good idea really Feb 15 09:25:07 :) Feb 15 09:25:15 it will force people who try out mer and at same time develop, to fix their packages to support mer Feb 15 09:25:18 :P Feb 15 09:25:48 ooh, Backup Feb 15 09:25:55 Welcome to backup, create a backup Feb 15 09:25:57 * timeless cries Feb 15 09:25:57 oh dear god Feb 15 09:25:59 XXX Feb 15 09:26:06 * timeless goes to get a vpn to fix Feb 15 09:26:11 No memory cards available Feb 15 09:26:25 sts/qwerty: how do i convince Backup i have a memory card? :) Feb 15 09:26:29 I'd bet my balls that the mountpoints are hardcoded and the home directory is hard coded Feb 15 09:26:46 timeless, mount something in /media/mmc2? :> Feb 15 09:26:51 johnx_: bizarre occourence the other day.. plugged in my cellphone which can charge through usb.. Feb 15 09:27:02 qwerty: from vmware? Feb 15 09:27:13 loopback? Feb 15 09:27:27 timeless: mount -o bind /tmp /media/mmc1 Feb 15 09:27:37 see what breaks :> Feb 15 09:27:42 johnx_: http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/mer-huh.png Feb 15 09:28:08 wired network, eh? Feb 15 09:28:17 well, i suppose usb is a wire Feb 15 09:28:35 timeless: i am confident i would get same result if i plugged it in through usb host on n8x0 :P Feb 15 09:28:42 (this was on mertop) Feb 15 09:29:10 john: mount complains: Feb 15 09:29:15 mount: can't find /tmp/media Feb 15 09:29:16 oh brother Feb 15 09:29:23 ok Feb 15 09:29:24 * johnx_ loads the page on his n800 Feb 15 09:29:27 mount didn't complain when i didn't typo Feb 15 09:29:37 it doesn't help though Feb 15 09:29:48 all well behaved maemo apps listen to HAL Feb 15 09:30:03 hmm.../tmp isnt necessarily the best place... Feb 15 09:30:04 so the question is how does one tell HAL to lie about device presence? Feb 15 09:31:06 Stskeeps: O_o ... and it just worked? Feb 15 09:31:40 johnx_: yeah, oob Feb 15 09:32:08 madness Feb 15 09:32:25 timeless: btw, xkb-data doesn't seem to Conflicts: with xkbdata, - is it xkbdata that conflicts with xkb-data? Feb 15 09:32:30 (other way around) Feb 15 09:32:47 johnx_: on the other hand it is how it ought to be. Feb 15 09:33:08 except i would have liked my phone to ask if it should charge, act as mass storage, or phone mode :P Feb 15 09:33:18 which thing would i need to check? Feb 15 09:33:27 timeless: dpkg -s xkbdata i think Feb 15 09:33:41 -s shows my Dummy package :) Feb 15 09:33:44 hehe Feb 15 09:33:44 ok Feb 15 09:33:59 i'll just conflicts/replaces/provides it in xkb-data Feb 15 09:34:00 but part of the problem is they have the same files Feb 15 09:34:11 sounds good Feb 15 09:34:35 Stskeeps, charging can be disabled/enabled in service menu and if the phone was booted by you then you should get the option :/ Feb 15 09:34:36 i think xkbdata turned out to be less painful than some of the others Feb 15 09:34:55 sdl is still preventing me from using a large portion of the platform Feb 15 09:35:27 qwerty12: oh, i just wanted it to charge Feb 15 09:35:34 qwerty12: not provide a internet conn :P Feb 15 09:35:46 ah :) Feb 15 09:35:52 * timeless figured Feb 15 09:36:31 * timeless puzzles Feb 15 09:36:39 why isn't Crash Reporter enabled? Feb 15 09:36:51 oh brother Feb 15 09:36:56 "Please insert Memory card" Feb 15 09:36:57 NITRO wants CAL Feb 15 09:37:00 * timeless kicks eero and team Feb 15 09:37:10 * lcuk shakes head Feb 15 09:37:11 qwerty: really? Feb 15 09:37:22 that Stskeeps has a dirty mind Feb 15 09:37:22 they also can't spell OK Feb 15 09:37:33 timeless, yep, when my version information messed up in cal, I saw it in my syslog that nitro was refusing to start Feb 15 09:37:40 * timeless wonders how it can be so hard to spell a two letter version Feb 15 09:37:51 s/version/word/ Feb 15 09:38:40 There's a hint. :P Feb 15 09:38:44 timeless: 1 in 26^2 Feb 15 09:38:57 oh brother Feb 15 09:39:01 so nitro is eating my cores? Feb 15 09:39:04 and it doesn't work!? Feb 15 09:39:39 Did it ever get a server to report to? Feb 15 09:39:52 nitro always uses an external server Feb 15 09:39:55 amusingly enough Feb 15 09:40:00 GeneralAntilles, yep, the password for it can be found in ~ ... Feb 15 09:40:02 w/ a 1 hour pull poll Feb 15 09:40:18 the directory isn't (or shouldn't be) browsable Feb 15 09:40:23 and it refuses double writes Feb 15 09:40:32 internally we've hit the double write issue a bunch of times Feb 15 09:40:35 It isn't, I've got the message that GET isn't allowed when I've logged in Feb 15 09:41:08 so um Feb 15 09:41:10 right Feb 15 09:41:19 what aprt of nitro is stomping on my core_pattern? Feb 15 09:42:18 /etc/init.d/rich-core Feb 15 09:44:14 anyways, back to work. will be on again when I get home and I'll get this keyboard stuff sorted. Feb 15 09:46:44 alright Feb 15 09:47:02 cool Feb 15 09:47:08 i can crash Nitro's CPL :) Feb 15 09:47:29 * timeless is special Feb 15 09:47:45 I can crash the control panel by having an incomplete desktop file in /usr/share/applications/hildon-control-panel :) Feb 15 09:49:25 qwerty, im sure lots of things crash if you have incomplete setups. try removing half of the real car driver and see if he crashes ;) Feb 15 09:49:47 lcuk: depends on which half we remove Feb 15 09:50:01 I'll leave that experiment to you odd northerners ;P Feb 15 09:50:12 lcuk: lots of things, like genitalia, are unnecessary and even detrimental to the task Feb 15 09:50:12 it depends as much on which part we remove and how long its been missing for Feb 15 09:50:47 if i chopped your legs off whilst you were driving you would probably crash, but if you had no legs to begin with and a specially adapted car then maybe Feb 15 09:51:06 but anyways, config file parser should not crash or let application crash Feb 15 09:51:14 agreed Feb 15 09:51:17 qwerty: So, file a bugzilla report =) Feb 15 09:51:29 i filed a bug report on kdevelop :) Feb 15 09:51:37 * timeless wonders if they fixed it Feb 15 09:51:50 RST38h, Yeah, you're right :). I'll make another desktop file later and test in diablo & mer :) Feb 15 09:57:29 qwerty: so ... help? Feb 15 09:57:35 how does one lie w/ hal? Feb 15 09:57:48 No idea, sorry :/ Feb 15 10:00:27 hola everybody :) Feb 15 10:00:37 hi wazd Feb 15 10:00:56 let's hack on Freetunner UI today) Feb 15 10:03:29 hey, i'm confused Feb 15 10:03:37 anyone here have a diablo n800/n810? Feb 15 10:03:46 (w/ the official english) Feb 15 10:04:16 oh nice Feb 15 10:04:41 so, what would you expect to have happen if you clicked [Backup]Backup>Delete, and the item was disabled? Feb 15 10:04:58 (a) no backup selected Feb 15 10:05:02 (b) no backups to delete Feb 15 10:05:23 (c) No memory cards available Feb 15 10:08:23 wazd: hehe, good luck :) Feb 15 10:08:36 so, no one wants to guess? :) Feb 15 10:09:55 timeless: normally no backups to delete Feb 15 10:12:16 sts: normally. does that mean that you're willing to guess some other answer for context Nokia/Maemo/Diablo? :) Feb 15 10:16:17 so um Feb 15 10:16:25 * timeless wants someone who knows how to speak hal Feb 15 10:16:28 possible w/ python Feb 15 10:17:47 oh brother Feb 15 10:17:49 'Forward' Feb 15 10:17:58 wow! Feb 15 10:18:09 bluetooth works in Mer-vmware Feb 15 10:20:23 eh Feb 15 10:20:42 USB mode is not writable Feb 15 10:20:47 * timeless wonders what that means Feb 15 10:21:56 * timeless frowns Feb 15 10:22:01 "Not allowed" is such a rude message Feb 15 10:27:15 ``You do no exist, go away'' is better Feb 15 10:27:48 Nah, there's no expletive in that Feb 15 10:28:14 'no' is an amusing typo Feb 15 10:28:19 'did you mean know' Feb 15 10:28:25 (you meant not, but....) Feb 15 10:28:25 *not Feb 15 10:28:34 :) Feb 15 10:29:22 they didn't assume virus scanners would be evil Feb 15 10:29:37 virus scanners being evil almost certainly came later Feb 15 10:30:03 Theme cruise ships have bikers, nudity and a whole lot more Feb 15 10:30:23 oops,, wrong window Feb 15 10:30:41 rst: eh? Feb 15 10:30:57 http://www.nydailynews.com/lifestyle/travel/2009/02/15/2009-02-15_theme_cruise_ships_have_bikers_nudity_an.html Feb 15 10:42:54 On a motorcycle cruise, you can explore exotic destinations without the hassle of shipping your bike or renting someone else's Feb 15 10:43:00 Actually makes sense, surprising Feb 15 10:45:14 Stskeeps, hum, so I suppose I should wait to blog until tomorrow then? Feb 15 10:46:04 GeneralAntilles: er, yeah, if you have anything in queue - there's just some tiny bugs that would be nice to fix as the rest seems quite nice Feb 15 10:46:09 anything mer-related that is Feb 15 10:46:35 * Stskeeps has been very preoccupied with family stuff this week sadly Feb 15 10:55:20 Stskeeps, family is much more important than your hacking time. get them a n8x0 each and let them help build your barn together ;) Feb 15 10:55:25 Stskeeps, well, I have

Mer

. ;) Feb 15 10:57:07 lcuk: i think me and my brothers working on anything together will, probably, result in the apocalypse Feb 15 10:57:28 haha, wheres your amish spirit boy! Feb 15 10:58:53 it is the inverse amish spirit Feb 15 10:58:53 :P Feb 15 11:01:22 timeless: shouldn't be a need for dummy package now Feb 15 11:03:40 thanks :) Feb 15 11:06:13 sometimes i really really wonder about people reporting bugs Feb 15 11:06:18 'i want the hardware keyboard (german layout) to work correctly again in Maemo. The installation of Mer f..ed up the settings for Maemo, too.' Feb 15 11:06:30 i really wonder how that can happen Feb 15 11:06:34 we don't even touch rootfs in Mer :P Feb 15 11:06:44 i wonder what it means :) Feb 15 11:07:05 * qwerty12 offers Stskeeps a placebo pill to give to the reporter Feb 15 11:08:08 cyanide works better.. Feb 15 11:08:43 General: Here? Feb 15 11:12:27 qwerty12: you in a packaging mood? Feb 15 11:12:39 RST38h? Feb 15 11:12:39 Stskeeps, sorry, I'm already packaging atm Feb 15 11:12:44 qwerty12: alrightie Feb 15 11:12:51 * GeneralAntilles mumbles about focus bugs. Feb 15 11:13:48 * Stskeeps really need a usb keyboard for his tablet. Feb 15 11:14:01 for those moments where laptop is out of reach Feb 15 11:14:09 RST38h, are the TI-89/TI-92s feasible to emulate? Feb 15 11:18:23 Stskeeps: bt keyboard not an option? Feb 15 11:18:32 Stskeeps, it seems that this package takes long because compiling is long :/. What do you want me to do? Feb 15 11:21:06 qwerty12: nm, i got started on it :) Feb 15 11:21:16 cool :) Feb 15 11:26:23 http://linuxdevices.com/news/NS3887946599.html <- and why does the pandora take that long time shipping then Feb 15 11:26:50 Pandora is a elaborate con Feb 15 11:26:59 s/ a / an / Feb 15 11:27:14 yessir Feb 15 11:28:57 General: They are, but I am unlikely to get to them Feb 15 11:29:14 General: Had a question about your earlier comment on Maemo-name-whatever Feb 15 11:29:40 General: I *think* I am already defining the full desktop name in the config files. Is it something else? Feb 15 11:30:37 qwerty: Probably not. When you con people, your first concern is how to get away with it, hence low profile and low footprint on reality Feb 15 11:30:37 RST38h, it goes in your debian/control Feb 15 11:31:16 RST38h, s/a elaborate con/bullshit/ :) Feb 15 11:31:20 qwerty: ah Feb 15 11:31:32 qwerty: could you give me an example of that control line? Feb 15 11:33:46 RST38h, here's one I'm doing now: http://pastebin.com/d1a48f59e - look at the last line. Because Maemo-Display-Name isn't an official debian field, you have to have [XSBC-] in front of Maemo-Display-Name or dh_gencontrol will not include that field in your final deb file. I'm using XB which means that it'll be included in my resulting deb file only Feb 15 11:34:23 found it Feb 15 11:35:03 qwerty12, when can I talk you into fleshing out this? http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_packaging Feb 15 11:35:48 GeneralAntilles, I tried but I don't know what I can include there as the links pretty much describe everything :) Feb 15 11:37:33 qwerty12, maybe more specific examples for the Maemo specific fields? Feb 15 11:38:17 Yeah, that sounds good Feb 15 11:39:00 Appropriate use of selection menu location, too. Feb 15 11:56:29 Aw, poor Bjorndalen ((( Feb 15 12:08:44 GeneralAntilles: btw, debmaster role - service function (ask question, get answer) or pointing out flaws continually in packaging, repository behaviour, etc? Feb 15 12:09:09 (think timeless type person in terms of packaging for the latter, not translations) ;) Feb 15 12:14:22 Both Feb 15 12:14:33 Providing help for people who ask Feb 15 12:14:36 Seeking to help people who don't Feb 15 12:14:44 Working on infrastructure stuff like the autobuilder. Feb 15 12:15:31 gan? Feb 15 12:15:44 one fihs, two fish, red fish, blue fish Feb 15 12:15:49 s/hs/sh/ Feb 15 12:15:50 timeless meant: one fish, two fish, red fish, blue fish Feb 15 12:16:03 one lark, two larks Feb 15 12:16:09 one fox, two foxes Feb 15 12:16:16 one input, two ....? Feb 15 12:16:46 actually, the real string involves mass nouns, not countables Feb 15 12:16:58 behavior for handling unknown characters Feb 15 12:16:58 while transcoding user Feb 15 12:17:05 _________. Feb 15 12:17:10 input | inputs Feb 15 12:17:11 ? Feb 15 12:17:27 GeneralAntilles: alright, ta Feb 15 12:19:16 qwerty12: hmm, hildon application launcher doesn't really support stuff like %u and %f in .desktop files does it? Feb 15 12:19:25 heh Feb 15 12:19:35 %u doesn't work in general Feb 15 12:19:42 people should forget it exists :) Feb 15 12:19:55 well, firefox uses it it seems :P Feb 15 12:20:03 for the average case, a web browser will never decide to pass %u to something Feb 15 12:20:19 Stskeeps, if you leave it in there, hildon-desktop just passes on %u and %f. It's up to the launched application if it ignore it or if it spits out a error saying " %u could not be found" Feb 15 12:20:28 s/ignore/ignores Feb 15 12:21:05 qwerty12: k Feb 15 12:28:10 timeless, what was that about h-a-m and incompatible application package? Feb 15 12:28:22 um Feb 15 12:28:26 * timeless frowns Feb 15 12:28:31 got any more context? Feb 15 12:28:32 For the l10n stuff Feb 15 12:28:39 "jx" was complaining? Feb 15 12:28:39 i'm currently rewriting hg help Feb 15 12:28:44 oh right Feb 15 12:28:52 he didn't like the Nokia disclaimer messages Feb 15 12:29:46 Who does? Feb 15 12:29:50 is jx me or someone else who didn't like it? Feb 15 12:29:58 jx is jX, not you Feb 15 12:30:03 and he didn't like my string Feb 15 12:30:20 * GeneralAntilles notices he hasn't emptied his trash in a while . . . recovers 20GB. Feb 15 12:30:33 feeling there was probably a reason that nokia's lawyers forced the official string Feb 15 12:30:37 20? Feb 15 12:30:44 how large is your disk? Feb 15 12:31:02 Um, which one(s)? Feb 15 12:31:10 well, let's see Feb 15 12:31:15 My boot "disk" is a 600GB RAID 0 Feb 15 12:31:28 my laptop is 55g (3g free) Feb 15 12:32:06 * GeneralAntilles doesn't do laptops. Feb 15 12:32:48 I've got about 2.4TB of storage on this machine. Feb 15 12:33:12 heck, konigsberg which hosts one of my mxr's has 90gb Feb 15 12:33:19 and i ran it out of spacec a few days ago Feb 15 12:33:41 GeneralAntilles, so why bothered about a whole 20gb? Feb 15 12:33:44 Would there be an advantage to hosting maemo.org's MXR on maemo.org? Feb 15 12:33:48 swift has ~300-400gb iirc, and it has ~50gb free and owes someone another 100 Feb 15 12:33:50 lcuk, because it's mostly full. :P Feb 15 12:33:52 gan: no :) Feb 15 12:33:54 heh Feb 15 12:34:01 dh hosts mxr.maemo.org Feb 15 12:34:09 konigsberg is for mozilla stuff Feb 15 12:34:19 When do we get Fremantle? Feb 15 12:34:27 when i'm not sick for 3 days in a row Feb 15 12:34:39 atm we're in the middle of setting up another box Feb 15 12:34:47 but i was sick thursday+friday Feb 15 12:34:48 * GeneralAntilles hands timeless a steamy bowl of chicken soup. Feb 15 12:34:59 kosher w/ matzo balls? Feb 15 12:35:07 Sure, why not? Feb 15 12:35:16 thanks :) Feb 15 12:35:26 Howdy, gnuton. Feb 15 12:35:52 timeless, why didn't your virus checker block it? :D (i was just as bad, had man-flu :S) Feb 15 12:35:53 Hei GeneralAntilles:D Feb 15 12:36:16 my systems haven't been working for months Feb 15 12:36:22 and finnish doctors are useless Feb 15 12:36:44 lcuk: hey... my turn :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPQ1VlyMPYU Feb 15 12:37:10 I was going to have a walk this morning... There is beautiful sun here in helsinki today... but I'm still here :( Feb 15 12:37:29 not in your class smoothness wise - but easy to add to Qt apps... Feb 15 12:39:32 very nice lbt :) Feb 15 12:39:50 * lcuk likes whats left mode Feb 15 12:40:14 It needs a fanfare when the last item vanishes... Feb 15 12:42:57 lol, i can see the funny looks already when you are walking round Feb 15 12:43:26 lbt, a proper animation like when you go bowling and they put one on for a strike Feb 15 12:43:33 let the users design custom anims : Feb 15 12:43:36 D) Feb 15 12:44:25 mmm - ringtones too Feb 15 12:45:00 or messages from SWMBO .... "Right you're done - now get home and tidy up" Feb 15 12:45:27 Two- or three-column lists would be nice. Feb 15 12:45:52 GA ? Feb 15 12:46:08 it has a column to the right which is empty - for ad-hoc notes Feb 15 12:46:20 like "get 2" or "orang pack" Feb 15 12:46:24 orange Feb 15 12:46:35 Right, I don't use the notes column. Feb 15 12:46:47 I'd rather have that used for another column of notes. Feb 15 12:46:50 Less scrolling Feb 15 12:47:11 fair enough... Feb 15 12:47:25 I like that as an option Feb 15 12:47:38 do you have the XRandR extension? Feb 15 12:47:49 It's bundled since Diablo. Feb 15 12:47:56 the gtk version has a button that makes it go landscape Feb 15 12:48:04 really? Feb 15 12:48:24 hmm my RandR detection code is bust ;) Feb 15 12:48:48 Hehe Feb 15 12:49:00 there *should* be a button that only appears on RandR enabled machines Feb 15 12:49:21 what if the user changes orientation outside the app Feb 15 12:49:28 steal adv-backlight's code :p Feb 15 12:49:29 if (XRRQueryExtension (dpy, &xrr_event_base, &xrr_error_base) == false Feb 15 12:49:34 * lcuk fails at this himself so its to both of us ;) Feb 15 12:50:03 Qt has events for external size changes Feb 15 12:50:21 so long as you are packed and not pixel placed then you're fine Feb 15 12:51:30 * lcuk uses a combination of both Feb 15 12:52:20 in general the nested container approach is very flexible - pixels hurt Feb 15 12:53:01 * lcuk nods Feb 15 14:47:36 lo b-man Feb 15 14:49:45 hay StsN800 :) Feb 15 15:04:36 * RST38h yawns widely Feb 15 15:05:07 so how's the weather over there? Feb 15 15:06:17 -1..+1, wet snow Feb 15 15:06:28 lots of it though, looks pretty Feb 15 15:06:31 eep. just turned to spring here it appears Feb 15 15:06:44 i wish it were spring here Feb 15 15:06:46 given the temperature now I'm betting it will be a record breaking summer Feb 15 15:06:57 it's 19 degrees now Feb 15 15:07:07 johnx: I have heard .jp summer is already as hot and humid as it gets? Feb 15 15:07:16 Macer: oF or oC? Feb 15 15:07:17 hm. my esxi box is xfering at 60MB/s Feb 15 15:07:23 F Feb 15 15:07:31 we have fricking bunch of snow )) Feb 15 15:07:48 I wonder where's my car now) Feb 15 15:08:07 Macer: That is -7oC, pretty decent Feb 15 15:08:20 wazd: You will find it tomorrow, unless it sinks =) Feb 15 15:08:45 RST38h, kanto (Tokyo, Yokohama, etc) area summer is pretty similar to Virginia/Washington DC Feb 15 15:08:54 johnx: yeeek. Feb 15 15:09:24 but it looks like I spoke too soon. Weather forecast says it'll be back down to 0c (!!) again by the end of the week Feb 15 15:09:31 26 F and sunny here :) Feb 15 15:09:36 * RST38h absolutely, positively, definitely hates DC summer. Winter too, but to a lesser degree. Feb 15 15:09:47 * wazd wants to crate a topic on ITT named "Aerobus A100 vs n810" Feb 15 15:10:04 Warthog A10 vs N800? Feb 15 15:10:05 wazd: Oh, please do, in "Competition" forum! Feb 15 15:10:40 mmm...steak fajita vs N800 Feb 15 15:10:49 Boeing finishing works on it's brand new 897 model. Beware, Nokia! Feb 15 15:11:08 wtf Feb 15 15:11:13 We had just about anything else in Competition by now Feb 15 15:11:16 that keeps happening and it's starting to piss me off Feb 15 15:11:18 or the most difficult one.. bacon vs tablet Feb 15 15:11:28 iphones, netbooks, nameless chinese mids, you name it Feb 15 15:11:29 if Nokia doesn't make an announcement soon they'll lose sales in the passenger airline segment Feb 15 15:11:58 StsN800: lol Feb 15 15:12:01 and boeing has TWO 17" screens! Feb 15 15:12:22 wazd: and a freaking jet engine that Nokia will NEVER put into their tablet Feb 15 15:12:37 * RST38h kinda remembers Boeing not having a GPS though Feb 15 15:12:45 and passenger seat PMPs.. Feb 15 15:12:59 some people say the boeing isn't pocketable but it's ok because I carry an airplane hanger everyplace I go Feb 15 15:13:19 s/hanger/hangar ... thought that looked off Feb 15 15:13:21 johnx: pocketable things are for sissies Feb 15 15:13:43 johnx: that is only because it needs bigger batteries though Feb 15 15:14:26 johnx, its not the hangar that worries me, its having to show me passport and get scanned before powering up canola Feb 15 15:14:29 but 897 is kind of a low number compared to the N900 Feb 15 15:14:40 RST38h: there's no linux driver for jet engine so I think that's the bottleneck :) Feb 15 15:14:57 Wait wait Feb 15 15:15:11 wazd, there was once an open source jet engine, but it was a bit of a flop Feb 15 15:15:15 Boeing does not come with slide out keyboard! Only food trays! Feb 15 15:15:24 guys, I need to make a decision by tomorrow: which is faster? Boeing 897 or Nokia N900? Feb 15 15:15:26 open tracy, receive bacon Feb 15 15:15:29 tray Feb 15 15:15:46 ffs freudian slip Feb 15 15:16:14 lcuk: aha, thats how you earn your bacon)) Feb 15 15:16:21 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=26884 , wtf Feb 15 15:17:14 'n8x0 ruined my relationship' :P Feb 15 15:17:48 hahaha Feb 15 15:17:56 haha! actually I had the opposite thing going. Vagalume/last.fm was picking only songs that I really loved...but I'm not sure how it knows that I like them. I never really fed it much info Feb 15 15:19:04 mind melding through the headphones Feb 15 15:19:12 my tablet is the modern equivalent of a vinyl player with romantic music like in the old movies Feb 15 15:19:18 like the dawson's creek trapper keeper 3000 Feb 15 15:19:56 mine is the modern equivalent of a pocketable linux-based, color screened internet radio w/ web browser...oh wait Feb 15 15:20:35 sounds like my G1 Feb 15 15:20:36 * RST38h calls his "my precioussss" Feb 15 15:20:37 :) Feb 15 15:20:38 johnx, the mic exists for a reason Feb 15 15:21:16 did anyone try lxnm on mer? Feb 15 15:21:29 hmm, no Feb 15 15:21:30 wassat? Feb 15 15:21:40 it claims to be a 'lightweight network manager' Feb 15 15:21:48 I assume it originally went with lxde Feb 15 15:21:54 StsN800: are you sure you don't need this box? Feb 15 15:22:01 Johnx: hardware you can't have today or hardware you could buy yesterday? Feb 15 15:22:07 i'm backing it up to my fileserver now Feb 15 15:22:12 Mace_, go ahead Feb 15 15:22:24 will you need it later or something? Feb 15 15:22:28 timelE61i, that it's the modern equivalent of itself :) Feb 15 15:23:07 or is the n97 also vaporware? Feb 15 15:23:14 i'll keep it on my fileserver for a while in case you ever need it... but i'm sure in about 6 months it will have depreciated Feb 15 15:23:29 BTW, while looking for LXNM, I have found this: http://v1.moblin.org/projects/projects_moblin-applets.php Feb 15 15:23:45 Mace_, as i said, content is deprecated atm too Feb 15 15:23:50 Sts: Given that Nokia's applets are closed source, will these do? Feb 15 15:24:07 ok well.. if you ever need another box then.. let me know Feb 15 15:24:49 RST38h, hmm, looks interesting Feb 15 15:25:06 timelE61i, I never said it was. Are you saying it is? Feb 15 15:25:15 shit this intel server card is so much faster than the onboard crap NIC mboards use Feb 15 15:25:38 nvidia and marvell yukons... what garbage Feb 15 15:25:44 My new pet theory is that the next tablet is going to turn out to be a rebranded iPhone. Feb 15 15:26:05 GeneralAntilles: more like a skype phone Feb 15 15:26:24 Bjorndalen is a winner again! Whoray!) Feb 15 15:26:31 my conspiracy theory is next tablet is multiple tablets Feb 15 15:26:32 the utms modem will be great for making a skype acct and raping your wireless providers net access Feb 15 15:26:40 GeneralAntilles, losing the faith? Feb 15 15:26:53 Macer, that theory isn't funny at all. Feb 15 15:27:00 johnx, no, I'm just bored and want new hardware. :P Feb 15 15:27:07 i wasn't being funny Feb 15 15:27:23 General: iPhone? No, never Feb 15 15:27:29 Macer, I was, which is why your followup sucked. :P Feb 15 15:27:31 if my n800 had a utms modem in it.. i would just get the cheapest unlimited net plan i could use.. an earpiece.. and use skype Feb 15 15:27:36 General: It will be a rebranded Toshiba Gigabeat, running Linux =) Feb 15 15:27:36 ~ Feb 15 15:27:56 me too :/ it's spring and 2 years after my last major gadget purchase and I've developed the wanderlust and a horrible gadget craving Feb 15 15:28:11 wow.. that would make it an iphone :-\ Feb 15 15:28:33 that's it. i'm buying intel NICs for everything i have here Feb 15 15:28:35 lcuk: what a sense of humor you have :P Feb 15 15:28:42 this thing is flying.. 65MB/s Feb 15 15:28:50 compared to the shitty 30MB/s i get from the onboard stuff Feb 15 15:28:50 * RST38h is amazed how everyone misses a point that the "next tablet" has already been released Feb 15 15:29:18 RST38h: 3G iphone? Feb 15 15:29:19 RST38h, the N810WE? Feb 15 15:29:20 RST38h, n97=rx-51? Feb 15 15:29:20 * Macer grins Feb 15 15:29:24 Nokia 5800 Feb 15 15:29:42 for all effective purposes, it does the same things as N8x0 Feb 15 15:29:55 except any of the things I care about Feb 15 15:30:05 ^ Feb 15 15:30:08 johnx: Well...mhmm... Feb 15 15:30:14 this manhole cover is exactly like a pizza! Feb 15 15:30:19 look, look! Feb 15 15:30:21 It's also not actually available for me yet. Feb 15 15:30:38 General: All over the place here Feb 15 15:30:39 btw. http://events.nokia.com/mwc/home.htm Feb 15 15:30:45 Also: it's slower than the current tablets. Feb 15 15:30:53 streaming of Nokia events on WMC Feb 15 15:31:02 and it runs symbian :) Feb 15 15:31:03 General: general users do not care really Feb 15 15:31:12 RST38h, yes, but we're not talking about general users. Feb 15 15:31:14 runs symbian, slower, smaller screen, etc Feb 15 15:31:20 We're talking about the people in this room who care about a new tablet. Feb 15 15:31:23 For them, the 5800 is not that. Feb 15 15:31:24 General: But nokia is, I guess Feb 15 15:31:32 how is it slower? Feb 15 15:31:35 RST38h, so I don't know what your point is. Feb 15 15:31:37 lcuk, slower CPU Feb 15 15:31:49 lcuk: well, 5800 is not a speed demon) Feb 15 15:31:49 but from a users POV, how is it slower? Feb 15 15:31:57 * GeneralAntilles sighs. Feb 15 15:32:04 lcuk: browser is way slower Feb 15 15:32:07 General: my point is that from Nokia marketing pov, they have got "the next tablet" released Feb 15 15:32:26 RST38h, this is #maemo. Feb 15 15:32:29 thanks for your point. moving on... Feb 15 15:32:30 Symbian also comes with its signing shit which Maemo doesn't have Feb 15 15:32:45 GeneralAntilles: this is #sparta :) Feb 15 15:33:00 wazd, if only. Feb 15 15:33:03 no, #bacon Feb 15 15:33:12 haha Feb 15 15:33:12 Then I could kick everyone trying to make strange irrelevant point into a well. Feb 15 15:33:17 General: still worth keeping in mind that we ain't the target audience for Nokia products Feb 15 15:33:37 it's ok! Mer will keep it all going! Feb 15 15:34:07 we should have named Mer BaconOS Feb 15 15:34:12 no point in rushing things.. they will release a new maemo tablet when they do Feb 15 15:34:22 ah crap! I thought I was the only one Nokia cared about! have they been cheating on me this whole time? *kries* Feb 15 15:34:22 StsN800: yeah.. you sure messed that one up :) Feb 15 15:34:27 BaconOS would have been way better Feb 15 15:34:31 You know what? Feb 15 15:34:40 you could have even acronymed the bacon part Feb 15 15:34:42 Screw you guys, I'm going home) Feb 15 15:34:57 heh Feb 15 15:35:04 * wazd gone for food Feb 15 15:35:08 speaking of nokia. i still need to get a new encasing for my n95 Feb 15 15:35:09 wazd, thanks for the link :) Feb 15 15:35:27 crap.. i should have done it already but i needed the tools and i don' think the kit is saw came with them Feb 15 15:35:32 that little guitar pic looking thing Feb 15 15:35:37 that rips the side off Feb 15 15:36:09 * mrguserwqqq kicks mirggi Feb 15 15:36:21 * lcuk remembers it lookin a bit quicker Feb 15 15:36:40 GeneralAntilles, wazd you are right Feb 15 15:36:52 * lcuk has rose tinted glasses Feb 15 15:41:58 RST38h, it also worth keeping in mind that Symbian strategy doesn't really have a whole lot to do with Maemo strategy. Feb 15 15:42:08 ...yet Feb 15 15:42:52 johnx, well, certainly. Feb 15 15:43:27 For the time being I'm trying to address the slightly random argument about the 5800, though. :P Feb 15 15:43:27 OTOH it's clear that Maemo strategy and Symbian strategy are closer than they were 3-4 years ago Feb 15 15:43:51 the point of the argument was to get people to jump into the argument :) Feb 15 15:45:11 i really need my ice genie for this shuttle k45 Feb 15 15:45:14 why havent people tried to put maemo onto 5800? is symbian still locked up Feb 15 15:45:28 i hate waiting on shit to get here... why hasn't someone invented a teleporter yet? Feb 15 15:45:56 Macer, there's probably enough cold left to pull a Cartman. Feb 15 15:45:59 they have macer, they are waiting for your bank account to get large enough before starting the advertising campaign Feb 15 15:46:04 lcuk, that's actually a somewhat interesting question. There's a certain equation that determines the likeliness of a linux port to a platform Feb 15 15:46:28 well of all the devices i really wouldv expected something sooner Feb 15 15:46:34 Does that Qualcomm SoC have any Linux support? Feb 15 15:46:47 i know the kind of stuff ive been writing will sit on a device like that quite nicely Feb 15 15:46:56 sorry Feb 15 15:47:01 lcuk, there are more iphones in the wild than 5800s and the linux port for them is positively embryonic Feb 15 15:47:04 My phone/irc client died Feb 15 15:47:25 this shuttle doesn't come with enough cooling stock Feb 15 15:47:25 johnx, but we have symbian open os dont we - ie we arent fighting a closed battle? Feb 15 15:47:28 Basically anything i've never seen in stores is vaporware as far as i'm concerned Feb 15 15:47:49 especially considering that i had to replace the dying psu with its shitty cooling fan that died on me with a picoPSU Feb 15 15:47:51 Lcuk: symbian open is a promise, not an accomplishment Feb 15 15:48:27 the intel stock cooler can't keep up with it Feb 15 15:48:55 in a few years you'll be able to look at the symbian source and say "eww, gross" : Feb 15 15:48:56 :) Feb 15 15:49:02 General: about symbian vs maemo strategy: this is what I am worried about Feb 15 15:49:05 timelE61i, don't corrupt the definition of vaporware like that. Feb 15 15:49:35 General: In a [financial] pinch, Symbian has the potential to steamroll Maemo into the ground Feb 15 15:49:37 aww, i need a new word then Feb 15 15:49:41 Promiseware? Feb 15 15:50:05 my stock intel fan is running so fast that i think it's going to start flying Feb 15 15:50:28 Imagine palm makes a promise of webos today Feb 15 15:50:29 and it is making this buzzing noise.. probably because it has to keep spinning retarded fast to keep up with the cpu in such a small enclosure Feb 15 15:50:37 And goes out of business tomorrow Feb 15 15:50:39 * RST38h read "stock intel fan" and thought "Atom"? =) Feb 15 15:50:45 Do you get webos in june? Feb 15 15:50:49 Macer, underclock Feb 15 15:51:00 lcuk: yeah.. i might have to until my ice genie gets here Feb 15 15:51:15 i'm going to melt the mboard if it keeps up like this Feb 15 15:51:56 BTW, just came: http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/gizmodo/2009/02/sony-ericsson-reese.jpg Feb 15 15:52:06 Macer, is this in normal desktop running? or are you hammering it playing games Feb 15 15:52:11 fwiw, the n800 has an error message for when it decides to kill itself if it detects it's overheating Feb 15 15:52:30 lcuk: normal desktop.. but it's usually under heavy use Feb 15 15:52:41 (slightly less offtopic) Feb 15 15:52:58 That's one error message i hope no one ever sees Feb 15 15:53:09 i have an ice genie on the way though. small water cooling kit from shuttle Feb 15 15:53:33 draws heat from the entire box also.. so that should help quite a bit.. and the fan is a lot more quiet than this intel stock fan Feb 15 15:53:45 timelE61i, I think vaporware should only be used for the most vaporous of promises. liquid/semi-solid and solidware could be used in different discussions. I've already heard people talk about various products 'condensing' into existence as more leaked photos show up Feb 15 15:53:47 timelE61i, never came up when i kept mine charging in an wooden enclosure all day long (well, i never saw it when i pulled it out, but the whole device was uncomfortably hot to touch Feb 15 15:53:57 i'm actually more excited to get my artigo to put debian or kubuntu on Feb 15 15:54:09 i really want to see how well the C7 performs Feb 15 15:54:23 lcuk: i'm not encouraging people to test this message! Feb 15 15:54:36 i cursed myself for it as well ;) Feb 15 15:54:41 I didn't search to see if the codepath was connected Feb 15 15:56:07 timelE61i, I'm guessing it's not or isn't reachable before damage is potentially done to other components Feb 15 15:56:41 * lcuk would personally prefer a shutdown if too hot Feb 15 15:56:53 "phew, its getting warm" Feb 15 15:57:01 "omg, open the window" Feb 15 15:57:09 "arghhhhhhh its burning" Feb 15 15:57:30 lcuk, http://pastebin.ca/1338043 <- ways to predict whether a device will ever have a linux port Feb 15 15:57:37 not really in order of importance Feb 15 16:00:56 yeah johnx, you missed one though: 7) is there anyone bored enough to hack it Feb 15 16:01:22 that goes with common/popular and cheap Feb 15 16:02:21 aaah! I missed a really big one though: Is it a type of device that the user/hacker/porter can afford to leave in a non-working state for potentially extended periods of time Feb 15 16:02:50 it's this last one which I think lets the air out of lots of porting attempts to phones Feb 15 16:02:54 johnx, there were people buying hardware to stand outside the shop and destroy it Feb 15 16:03:07 screensize and limited use puts people off Feb 15 16:03:19 keyboard is bigger than screensize Feb 15 16:03:33 limited use seems to be only marginally important Feb 15 16:04:37 and the people who destroy devices outside stores are in an entirely separate, disconnected circle of the diagram from people who port linux to things Feb 15 16:05:17 damn...didn't pay attention and my install of network-manager-gnome just accidentally brought in samba and cups :( Feb 15 16:05:43 on device? Feb 15 16:05:47 zaurus Feb 15 16:06:02 cool Feb 15 16:09:45 except now I'm wasting xxMB/64MB of RAM running cupsd :/ Feb 15 16:10:33 johnx: you should now connect a printer. Feb 15 16:10:41 I don't own one Feb 15 16:10:43 it's quite nice Feb 15 16:11:23 I don't have the room to spare for quaint passtimes like 'printing' or 'starting a DVD collection' Feb 15 16:12:43 starting a dvd collection is stupid Feb 15 16:13:28 I would lump 'printing' in with that category in about 4/5 situations when it's commonly employed Feb 15 16:14:27 such as 'let me print you a shopping list' 'let me hand you a printout of this webpage' (<- this happens to me), 'let me print the email he/she sent' 'let's print a map!' Feb 15 16:15:19 * RST38h prints maps Feb 15 16:15:20 johnx: i stopped printing maps. i now print maps to pdf, which are put on my tablet. and now i have a data plan, i skip the pdf part. Feb 15 16:15:24 :P Feb 15 16:15:28 * RST38h even prints source code for later inspection Feb 15 16:15:33 Stskeeps++ RST38h-- Feb 15 16:16:20 * RST38h finds reading remains of dead trees oddly relaxing Feb 15 16:16:21 i protested my TAs decision not to accept PDF files by e-mail by printing him a xournal-exported pdf on a color printer and giving it to him. Feb 15 16:16:31 RST38h, just tell me you don't hand people 15 stapled pages and tell them 'I found this website you might be interested in so I printed for you.' Feb 15 16:16:43 Sts: Did he pay for the ink? Feb 15 16:16:50 RST38h: indirectly maybe Feb 15 16:16:55 johnx: I do not hand people websites Feb 15 16:17:13 I've found cool site Feb 15 16:17:19 wikipedia.org Feb 15 16:17:26 have you printed it all? =) Feb 15 16:17:33 so I've printed it for you Feb 15 16:17:34 wazd, now that would actually be fun to have a printout of Feb 15 16:17:57 Well, gentlemen... http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/printed_wikipedia_now_available.php Feb 15 16:19:08 there's something about printing it off a nice small-medium laser printer and stapling every article that makes a difference though :) Feb 15 16:19:24 There's some bible chapter happening on the streets right now Feb 15 16:19:35 wazd: ? Feb 15 16:20:25 I remember my friend printed the FreeBSD handbook to use up his (paid for) semester printing allotment... Feb 15 16:20:38 hehe Feb 15 16:20:49 we have free print at the faculty now Feb 15 16:20:58 * RST38h did not have an allotment Feb 15 16:21:03 it got too expensive handling paying compared to just giving free print :P Feb 15 16:21:09 RST38h, we had a fee to provide it Feb 15 16:21:12 a steep fee Feb 15 16:21:14 Never really overused the printers though Feb 15 16:21:28 johnx: I was a TA, then an RA, you your fee provided for me =) Feb 15 16:21:29 I'm sure he wouldn't have done it if he hadn't been charged already Feb 15 16:21:52 s/you/so/ Feb 15 16:21:52 RST38h meant: johnx: I was a TA, then an RA, so your fee provided for me =) Feb 15 16:21:55 RST38h, the fee paid you to ignore the bottle of everclear being passed around the freshmen floor Feb 15 16:22:13 hm. sould have seriously put a larger disk in this box Feb 15 16:22:32 Macer, like one of those 5.25" ones? or you thinking 8"? Feb 15 16:22:38 johnx: Ah, dorms weren't our responsibility =) Feb 15 16:22:52 seperation of state and dorms is excellent Feb 15 16:22:53 RA != dorm? Feb 15 16:23:00 research assistant Feb 15 16:23:01 heh Feb 15 16:23:02 probably Feb 15 16:23:03 aaaah Feb 15 16:23:03 johnx: RA = research assistant Feb 15 16:23:05 the other RA Feb 15 16:23:06 meant a larger hard drive Feb 15 16:23:17 Macer, so did I :> Feb 15 16:23:34 :) touche Feb 15 16:23:39 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_Bigfoot Feb 15 16:23:50 wow.. a bigfoot Feb 15 16:23:59 hey.. they were cheap and big :) Feb 15 16:24:00 haha Feb 15 16:24:03 * GeneralAntilles found a 5.25" hard drive in a 2001 Compaq one time. Feb 15 16:25:38 i never had a bigfoot die on me Feb 15 16:25:43 i can give them that much at least Feb 15 16:25:54 i don't think it would even break if you threw it into a wall :) Feb 15 16:26:16 it was a hard drive/armed combat weapon Feb 15 16:26:54 "tablets: usable as weapons?" Feb 15 16:27:01 GeneralAntilles: have you ever seen like.. the REAL OLD hard drives? Feb 15 16:27:10 i mean the ones with like an 18" platter? :) Feb 15 16:27:26 5MB 12" platter drives and shit like that Feb 15 16:28:47 Macer, in a museum somewhere. Feb 15 16:29:14 * Stskeeps tries out .. snap10 Feb 15 16:29:22 jesus, too many snaps to get things right this time Feb 15 16:31:30 * RST38h has seen lots of real old harddrives and even used a platter from one as a kitchen gong Feb 15 16:32:22 neodymium magnets ftw Feb 15 16:32:27 10"+ aluminium platter Feb 15 16:33:27 Stskeeps, releasing 0.8? Feb 15 16:33:30 some guy from polish electronics board made a hdd with plexi window and blue LED's inside... Feb 15 16:33:54 slonopotamus: yeah, tomorrow - i have hardly been at my laptop and there are a few things we want to fix just yet.. Feb 15 16:33:58 after few days he got enough bad sectors to put that hdd in trash ;p Feb 15 16:34:25 Stskeeps, good luck. i'm still stuck with unbuildable pygtk. Feb 15 16:34:28 oli, if you do that you have to do it a cleanroom... Feb 15 16:35:04 you just have to love the way vista gives you absolutely no time eta on disk defragmentation Feb 15 16:35:12 crazy poles... Feb 15 16:35:18 johnx: I know that, every piece of dust is a high risk :) but that guy probably doesn't :) Feb 15 16:35:18 slonopotamus: oh, pygtk is a bloody nightmare Feb 15 16:35:26 slonopotamus: is it pygtk on top of maemo gtk? Feb 15 16:35:40 Stskeeps, nope, both vanilla Feb 15 16:35:48 oh, then it is probably similar Feb 15 16:35:48 :P Feb 15 16:36:29 there was also other guy who tried to stick new PCI-E graphics into AGP, people adviced him to cut the gold part of cart so it could fit... Feb 15 16:36:45 >.< Feb 15 16:37:17 Stskeeps, gcc enters endless (?) loop while building gtk.c. it should take less than a minute, but it compiled for a day and didn't finish. tried different pygtk versions, still no luck. gonna build gcc-4.3, maybe it'll help. Feb 15 16:38:17 RST38h: http://obrazki.elektroda.net/77_1184541824.jpg Feb 15 16:38:21 slonopotamus: you are aware that pygtk goes through several iterations of the same files, right? Feb 15 16:38:35 same / it updates the missing coverage stuff Feb 15 16:39:04 until it reaches 100% coverage or something Feb 15 16:39:20 debian has added support for armel with the lenny release, I wonder what this effect this will have on Maemo? Feb 15 16:39:49 I suppose it means that at the very least debian packages for that architecture are going to Feb 15 16:39:54 be more stable. Feb 15 16:40:00 Since they have been tested a bit. Feb 15 16:40:04 jeremiah: not much really. it caused johnx's debian, then me and johnxs deblet and then mer.. Feb 15 16:40:06 Stskeeps, it runs single gcc command for a day Feb 15 16:40:31 Stskeeps, i simply got tired of waiting Feb 15 16:40:39 Stskeeps: deblet? What's that? Feb 15 16:40:50 Stskeeps, all other files built in reasonable time Feb 15 16:41:07 jeremiah: deblet was a more kosher distribution of debian for the nokia tablets Feb 15 16:41:13 mer's older brother Feb 15 16:41:28 Stskeeps: Ah! Cool. Mer sounds fun, I have to check it out a bit more. Feb 15 16:41:29 (we have been playing with debian-armel for ages now :P) Feb 15 16:41:48 will mer always use hildon-desktop? :> Feb 15 16:41:55 oli: people are using mer and lxde.. Feb 15 16:42:05 Stskeeps: Okay. Do you guys push stuff back upsteam? Like up to debian? Feb 15 16:42:15 hehe Feb 15 16:42:36 oli: looks mightty pretty though Feb 15 16:42:40 jeremiah: so far we don't have much that is worth pushing, but 0xffff package have been pushed :P Feb 15 16:42:48 cool Feb 15 16:42:50 Stskeeps: ok, i don't ask anymore, just going for a >4gb SD :) Feb 15 16:43:01 RST38h: it's 2GB hdd Feb 15 16:43:14 * jeremiah reads the mer website Feb 15 16:43:15 jeremiah: with Mer we are trying to push to Maemo when we can.. Feb 15 16:43:21 also, a lot of the things we're doing in mer are because they don't really fit into debian or ubuntu in a sane way Feb 15 16:43:52 yeah.. i see mer as a middle point between OE/emdebian, maemo, and desktop distributions Feb 15 16:43:59 johnx, insane things? :) Feb 15 16:44:00 for example we use Nokia's patched version of gtk+, but we already know that Ubuntu, Debian and upstream gtk+ don't want most of those patches Feb 15 16:44:17 Very, very interesting. Feb 15 16:44:17 but nokia's patched version makes perfect sense on mobile devices, for instance Feb 15 16:44:21 slonopotamus, for middling values for insane Feb 15 16:44:42 Wow, so it is just you two guys supporting the whole distro? Feb 15 16:44:47 That is a lot of work. Feb 15 16:44:50 goddamn tropic thunder cracks me up Feb 15 16:44:53 nah, look at the people's list Feb 15 16:44:58 people are doing different kind of work Feb 15 16:45:10 okay Feb 15 16:45:11 * b-man is maintaining merinstaller Feb 15 16:45:13 and also a lot comes from ubuntu and maemo Feb 15 16:45:31 and the code drops from fremantle pre-alphas are great, so Feb 15 16:45:40 Hmm, so real community is building up behind it. Feb 15 16:45:45 good stuff Feb 15 16:45:56 yup :) Feb 15 16:46:14 0.8 comes out tomorrow.. take it for a swing in virtualbox, qemu or vmware :) Feb 15 16:46:17 it's in everyone's enlightened self interest after all :) Feb 15 16:46:32 especially since Maemo 5 doesn't come for N8x0. Feb 15 16:46:38 * johnx is applying that keyboard/enter fix finally ... Feb 15 16:46:40 that is excellent. Well, I hope to contribute to because a vibrant eco system is a Good Thing Feb 15 16:46:54 jeremiah: we'll be asking a lot of crazy questions probably :P Feb 15 16:47:12 * Stskeeps is a novice in debian packaging but has a good sense of architecture and ideas.. :P Feb 15 16:47:16 Fire away whenever, I hope to put up some contact info on the wiki Feb 15 16:47:24 johnx: woo Feb 15 16:47:39 Stskeeps: You'll learn the packaging bit quickly, the other parts are what matters. Feb 15 16:48:10 * qwerty12 has more fun packaging games then actually playing them :/ Feb 15 16:48:13 yeah, would be a shame if i didn't learn a little bit by getting a comp.sci degree.. :P Feb 15 16:48:22 heh Feb 15 16:48:31 Stskeeps, for now it can just be a boot thing I guess, but how do you feel about including dbus-scripts daemon into mer for some lightweight/misc event handling? Feb 15 16:48:40 johnx: what is dbus-scripts again? Feb 15 16:49:04 jeremiah: for scary facts - i'm chatting to you from Mer on a laptop, with the hildon environment.. in osso-xterm, on x86. Feb 15 16:49:05 Stskeeps, it listens for dbus events and launches scripts/programs passing the dbus message as an argument Feb 15 16:49:08 that is what makes mer truely interesting Feb 15 16:49:44 Stskeeps: You mean that it can be a laptop-like OS and a tablet OS? Feb 15 16:50:04 jeremiah: it can be a netbook os, tablet os, mobile phone OS.. maemo everywhere :> Feb 15 16:50:09 i even had it on a Pocket Loox 720 PDA. Feb 15 16:50:21 but it's still using hildon-desktop on all those machines Feb 15 16:50:45 we even have it on the beagleboard too :P Feb 15 16:50:50 So you get the same "look and feel" Feb 15 16:50:52 nice Feb 15 16:50:54 yeah Feb 15 16:51:12 if you develop stuff for mer on x86, it most likely (.. some exceptions), builds for the other architectures too Feb 15 16:51:29 so you can try your applications for the maemo platform as they are, directly in your machine or virtual machine Feb 15 16:51:44 Nice. Feb 15 16:52:01 qwerty12, package up PokerTH Feb 15 16:52:06 I love using VMs so I am definitely going to download mer Feb 15 16:52:26 qwerty: yes, please =) Feb 15 16:52:33 so we'll see where this leads.. it was the choice between maintaining a backport and patching diablo firmware images.. or doing something radical to the maemo platform Feb 15 16:52:34 i still can't believe that is robert downey jr. as the black dude Feb 15 16:52:37 guess which was more fun :> Feb 15 16:52:38 GeneralAntilles, I think mikkov_ has his eye on that looking at the thanks counter and he's a LOT better than me so I'll wait... Feb 15 16:52:48 when i first saw this i had no idea :) Feb 15 16:53:05 "I don't break character until I'm done with the DVD commentary!" Feb 15 16:53:13 qwerty12, I keep telling Firebird I'll refer him to somebody to help him package it up, but he keeps putting up roadblocks. Feb 15 16:53:22 jeremiah: so, now on mer - instead of maintaining a horrible port of most things.. apt-get install firefox, apt-get install abiword, .. etc Feb 15 16:53:34 and it just works Feb 15 16:54:02 GeneralAntilles, odd, he responded well to the source request :/ Feb 15 16:54:09 and it just works as well as a non-hildonized app can Feb 15 16:54:25 but often when you need a specific app an 80% solution is good enough Feb 15 16:54:45 Do KDE apps pose problems? Feb 15 16:54:46 qwerty12, well, I've been friends with him for a while. Feb 15 16:54:53 Say vs. Gnome apps Feb 15 16:54:54 qwerty12, he's just being lazy or something. Feb 15 16:54:58 hehe Feb 15 16:55:25 jeremiah, they shouldn't and yet...testing is welcome :) Feb 15 16:55:35 jeremiah: i honestly didn't try yet. but we will probably also look at Qt for Maemo so Feb 15 16:55:44 so it adapts a similar look Feb 15 16:55:55 i wanna see how you'll hildonize qt apps Feb 15 16:56:04 slonopotamus_: Qt handles it itself afaik Feb 15 16:56:12 most of it, at least Feb 15 16:56:16 ? Feb 15 16:56:20 slonopotamus_, maemo qt does automatic hildonizing (to the best it can do anyway) Feb 15 16:56:21 slonopotamus, check out some screenshots on the qt for maemo page Feb 15 16:56:33 oh my. Feb 15 16:56:44 maemo qt, maemo gtk Feb 15 16:57:20 slonopotamus, join us and we can rule the galaxy together! *shakes fist* Feb 15 16:57:28 slonopotamus_: if its API and ABI compatible with normal gtk, who cares? :P Feb 15 16:57:31 / qt Feb 15 16:57:40 yeah, Qt is pretty rockin. Feb 15 16:58:00 qt 4 maemo is (honestly) how maemo gtk ought to have been Feb 15 16:58:17 I wonder if there were technical limitations in gtk Feb 15 16:58:30 I know that something similar was done for qtopia Feb 15 16:58:49 Nokia owns Qt don't they? They bought Trolltech and Trolltech produces Qt. Feb 15 16:58:52 yeah Feb 15 16:58:59 now they do, back then they didn't Feb 15 16:59:07 hildon doesn't really help when it expects GTK_MENU to be returned for the menu rather than GTK_MENUBAR Feb 15 17:00:10 Stskeeps, /apps/osso/inputmethod/keyboardavailable is false by default, correct? Feb 15 17:00:45 Stskeeps, /root/cx3110x-module-src-2.0.15/src/sm_drv_spi.c:39:26: error: linux/config.h: No such file or directory while trying to build cx3110x-module. any hints? Feb 15 17:01:15 johnx: correct, and it is keyboard_available Feb 15 17:01:18 slonopotamus: compile kernel first Feb 15 17:01:24 ah Feb 15 17:01:31 I picked the wrong line of yours to copy :) Feb 15 17:01:33 Stskeeps, it's compiled Feb 15 17:01:40 Stskeeps, yesterday Feb 15 17:01:58 Stskeeps, ~100 minutes for maemo vanilla kernel, btw. Feb 15 17:02:16 slonopotamus: natively? ok Feb 15 17:02:25 Stskeeps, yep, on device Feb 15 17:02:50 slonopotamus: well. i think cross-compilation acceleration like scratchbox can be neat, but it shouldn't be a requirement.. Feb 15 17:03:00 it should be kinda like DISTCCing to a cross-compiler instead Feb 15 17:03:14 (did you ever try that?) Feb 15 17:03:23 Stskeeps, why 'kinda'? why not use distcc? Feb 15 17:03:33 slonopotamus: well, we did for deblet initially Feb 15 17:03:52 slonopotamus: cos we never had scratchbox Feb 15 17:04:25 Stskeeps, got problems with this setup? Feb 15 17:04:36 slonopotamus: with DISTCC? occasionally Feb 15 17:04:52 but there was probably a lot of factors to it Feb 15 17:04:59 Stskeeps, more often than with sb? :) Feb 15 17:05:06 slonopotamus: touche Feb 15 17:05:47 Stskeeps, hehe. i still can't understand. there's qemu inside scratchbox? or cross-compiler? Feb 15 17:06:34 both Feb 15 17:06:52 it uses cross-compiler for compilations, and qemu for emulating the programs if need be Feb 15 17:07:18 slonopotamus: you good at generating cross-compilation toolchains btw? Feb 15 17:07:56 Meizirkki: did you ever solve your bw quota issue btw? Feb 15 17:08:25 bw quota issue? Feb 15 17:08:43 as in your parents making it impossible to dl more than 5gb a month? Feb 15 17:09:47 not parents, opreator. anyway it's a deal that when i dload more than 5gp they lower priority of your connection Feb 15 17:10:12 ah Feb 15 17:10:22 but because i am living in the middle of nowhere, there is nobody else to override me Feb 15 17:10:26 lol :P Feb 15 17:11:06 Meizirkki: if i give you a tar.gz can you test it quickly? i have moved from Xmodmap to HAL plus XKB so Feb 15 17:11:14 ok Feb 15 17:11:23 we are first releasing tomorrow as we wanted to finish these issues Feb 15 17:13:02 ah. Feb 15 17:13:15 midori issue. no HIM for text fields Feb 15 17:13:54 yup Feb 15 17:14:04 maybe a change from tear we can borrow Feb 15 17:14:12 yeah Feb 15 17:14:33 and its a bit crashy but so it goes Feb 15 17:15:33 * b-man reminds himself to update the url on merinstaller to 0.8 for tomorrows release Feb 15 17:15:44 b-man: mm, good idea Feb 15 17:15:50 why don't i like the "Checking for updates, please wait" string in HAM? Feb 15 17:15:56 i always think it looks for updates to the system Feb 15 17:16:10 not as it is, updates to the installable applications list Feb 15 17:16:26 please wait is stupid Feb 15 17:16:37 It's a dialog with a progress bar Feb 15 17:16:50 Of course you're going to wait. . . . Feb 15 17:17:02 GAN800, so you're saying it should only talk about the exceptional case? Feb 15 17:17:38 "Updating application catalog..." Feb 15 17:18:03 I like the idea of a dialog with progress bar and no clickable button that says "Wait or don't wait. it doesn't really matter." Feb 15 17:18:22 we so need en_GB-sarcastic. Feb 15 17:18:37 and klingon. Feb 15 17:18:42 * johnx wants to make an en_JP Feb 15 17:18:55 hello kitty? :P Feb 15 17:19:07 what about having a "mer-latest-image" on some server that is a link to the real tar.gz, so there would be no need to upgrade installer everytime there's a update? Feb 15 17:20:07 Stskeeps, go to engrish.com, find the most absurd example on the site and odds are 9/10 that actually came from a real product and isn't a photoshop Feb 15 17:20:08 Meizirkki: i would be delighted to, except the ftp protocol doesn't support making symlinks.. Feb 15 17:20:13 johnx: yeah, i know Feb 15 17:20:20 johnx: i have seen funny things in hong kong too Feb 15 17:20:49 Meizirkki: but yes, you are perfectly right Feb 15 17:21:49 b-man: when you are bored, make something that grabs the current image name from a .txt on the server or something Feb 15 17:21:52 or a list of images Feb 15 17:22:14 like , Feb 15 17:22:17 or the likes :P Feb 15 17:22:30 ok :) Feb 15 17:23:45 * b-man also thinks about making separate lists for internal/external mmcs to make the installer less confusing Feb 15 17:24:20 well, are you speaking of the p1..4 thing? Feb 15 17:24:23 * qwerty12 wonders what he has to do to make mer believe that my N800 does support wifi... Feb 15 17:24:32 yes Feb 15 17:24:47 b-man: make a function making the p1..p4 strings? i dunno Feb 15 17:24:58 qwerty12: i still suspect it is CAL-related for some strange reason Feb 15 17:25:10 qwerty12: but i need to see console output of your tablet Feb 15 17:25:14 * johnx wonders about different hardware revs of the N800 Feb 15 17:25:21 Stskeeps, wlan-cal output is ok and it works well in maemo Feb 15 17:25:46 Stskeeps, wait, I'll get syslog running Feb 15 17:25:50 qwerty12: alright Feb 15 17:26:01 and upstart-logd Feb 15 17:26:02 qwerty12: try running wlan-cal after you're booted, i had the same problem when i tested ubuntu-MID Feb 15 17:26:06 hmm, mnotes + voice search = microsoft recite... Feb 15 17:26:23 Meizirkki, thanks, will try that after I've got the log :) Feb 15 17:26:40 * Stskeeps ponders if mer can survive the pizza test of usefulness Feb 15 17:26:46 (can it be used to order pizza online.) Feb 15 17:26:56 hehe Feb 15 17:27:18 Stskeeps, modify http://www.beigerecords.com/cory/pizza_party/ for your favourite pizza shop in .dk :. Feb 15 17:27:20 real-world testing :) Feb 15 17:29:57 Stskeeps, hmm... what do you mean by 'good at'? i built a working one :) Feb 15 17:30:28 slonopotamus: better than me, i guess Feb 15 17:30:29 :P Feb 15 17:30:46 Stskeeps, i just used gentoo tools Feb 15 17:31:00 out of question, to set root password within a chroot, do I need to have /proc, /sys, /dev etc binded? Feb 15 17:31:17 nope Feb 15 17:31:25 thanks Feb 15 17:31:50 chroot /target passwd Feb 15 17:32:03 yep, thanks :) Feb 15 17:32:07 Stskeeps, crossdev -S arm-gentoo-linux-gnueabi, patience and you get a cross-toolchain :) Feb 15 17:32:14 hehe Feb 15 17:33:02 * qwerty12 <3's avahi Feb 15 17:33:18 Stskeeps, + crossdev-wrappers and you get emerge that is targeted at folder/arch you're building for Feb 15 17:34:47 * Meizirkki watches installer unpacking mer rootfs Feb 15 17:35:26 Stskeeps, http://slonopotamus.org/gentoo-on-n8x0#step_1_cross-build_minimal_working_system up to make.conf tweaking Feb 15 17:36:09 also, 'Browse installable applications' Feb 15 17:36:15 but some of them are not installable Feb 15 17:36:17 heh...funny battery charger thread :) Feb 15 17:36:38 "Browse application catalog" ? Feb 15 17:36:56 yeah i guess Feb 15 17:36:56 I mean, if we're gonna insist on "catalog" might as well use it enough so people recognize it. Feb 15 17:37:05 "Browse or die" Feb 15 17:37:20 Up, timeless has got "Available applications" Feb 15 17:38:46 if we put browse people will also expect a random button... Feb 15 17:39:08 for when they're in the mood for a new app but don't really care what it is Feb 15 17:41:05 ok, almost passed the pizza test Feb 15 17:41:13 website almost made me require flash Feb 15 17:42:21 jeremiah: oh, one question for you, even though your first work day is still some time away :) Feb 15 17:42:57 jeremiah: if pinning was in use, would apt-get dist-upgrade force an upgrade to the pinned repository's version, if the pinning priority was higher? Feb 15 17:43:34 example is, we want to patch apt. we pin mer repository on a higher priority than ubuntu, but apt is brought in through debootstrap. would subsequent pinning and apt-get dist-upgrade force an upgrade of apt? Feb 15 17:43:49 Stskeeps, 16th. :P Feb 15 17:44:00 GeneralAntilles: hehe Feb 15 17:44:11 well, it's the 16th now Feb 15 17:44:13 :) Feb 15 17:44:23 jesus, its me and the fiancees 2nd year day tomorrow Feb 15 17:44:25 and Stskeeps, I'm pretty sure the answer is yes Feb 15 17:44:29 johnx: ok Feb 15 17:46:12 also, we can pin apps individually Feb 15 17:46:39 the way we're doing now is pretty much the blunt force trauma approach :) Feb 15 17:46:46 it works.. Feb 15 17:46:47 :P Feb 15 17:47:19 and so does blunt force trauma for a certain subset of problems Feb 15 17:47:28 yes Feb 15 17:47:35 only thing i remember from optimization Feb 15 17:47:36 :P Feb 15 17:48:25 * johnx learned it in auto repair 101: applied roadside emergency maintenance Feb 15 17:50:26 Stskeeps: i'm in mer now, what's needed to test? Feb 15 17:50:36 Fn not working Feb 15 17:51:11 Meizirkki, did you already run this: /usr/bin/gconftool-2 -s -t bool /apps/osso/inputmethod/keyboard_available true Feb 15 17:51:43 johnx, noi didn't. thanks Feb 15 17:53:23 Meizirkki: fn not working? gimme a lshal output :/ Feb 15 17:53:47 Hello, have french channel for maemo ? Feb 15 17:53:47 aaargh...fn not enter. sorry Meizirkki Feb 15 17:54:09 johnx: hehe, it least my enter work now :P Feb 15 17:54:17 s/work/works/ Feb 15 17:54:17 Meizirkki meant: johnx: hehe, it least my enter works now :P Feb 15 17:54:23 :) Feb 15 17:54:55 JerhuM, I haven't heard about one. But, I know some people in this channel speak French. Feb 15 17:55:07 Stskeeps, the whole lshal or just keyboard? Feb 15 17:55:36 Meizirkki: just the keyboard i guess Feb 15 17:56:21 ok thanks johnx Feb 15 17:56:37 Stskeeps, http://pastebin.com/m33729067 Feb 15 17:57:27 Meizirkki: ok, lshal > file.something and scp it to trac if its ok Feb 15 17:59:33 yep Feb 15 18:00:23 Quelqu'un peut me poster son sources list pour maemo 2008 diablo pour un nokia n810 ? Feb 15 18:01:00 Your English sounds readable, why not just try and post your question in English? Feb 15 18:01:06 Stskeeps, lshal.file now uploaded Feb 15 18:02:11 Meizirkki: thank you Feb 15 18:02:37 Meizirkki: to trac.tspre.org/meiz? Feb 15 18:02:55 Stskeeps, is http://packages.tspre.org/pool/user/b/bootmenu/bootmenu_1.5-1_armel.deb your latest? Feb 15 18:02:59 yessir Feb 15 18:03:01 oh, wait, i forgot ~/www Feb 15 18:03:04 Thanks :) Feb 15 18:03:14 evening, all Feb 15 18:03:18 JerhuM, /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list ? Feb 15 18:03:25 Stskeeps, now uploaded to ~/www Feb 15 18:04:42 how do i find out if my app is in extras? Feb 15 18:05:04 on your tablet: apt-get update && apt-cache policy pkgname Feb 15 18:05:34 from the web? Feb 15 18:05:43 jagernot, your debs are there http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/diablo/free/b/boxar/ but you may have to wait an hour until the list of packages get updated Feb 15 18:05:46 browse extras directly Feb 15 18:06:18 qwerty12: thanks for checking but that has been up for two days :D Feb 15 18:06:23 Meizirkki: can you grab a similar one from Maemo too? (you're very helpful) Feb 15 18:06:38 yes i can :) Feb 15 18:08:06 yes johnx Feb 15 18:08:44 oh crap, MWC already started :) Feb 15 18:09:27 I thought they will launch on 16 Feb 15 18:09:27 JerhuM, http://pastebin.ca/1338117 Feb 15 18:09:51 wazd, 16th in what timezone? :P Feb 15 18:10:33 Not johnx's dirty liar timezone. Feb 15 18:10:45 GeneralAntilles, oi! Don't hate on the future Feb 15 18:10:54 Stskeeps, lshal from maemo uploaded Feb 15 18:11:06 johnx: hmm... barcelona has GMT -2 or 1 I think Feb 15 18:11:12 Meizirkki: thanks Feb 15 18:11:18 thanks johnx Feb 15 18:11:19 johnx: so they can't have 16 before me :P Feb 15 18:11:23 wazd, then they started early it seems Feb 15 18:11:40 JerhuM, thank translate.google.com :) Feb 15 18:12:29 Nokia's keynote should be at 9AM GMT Feb 15 18:13:22 A tablet announcement there would be a pretty big step for Maemo, methinks. Feb 15 18:13:31 So, who's gonna sniper Nokia if they don't announce the next tablet? :) Feb 15 18:13:41 GeneralAntilles, so what an integrated HSPA radio Feb 15 18:13:59 s/sniper/frozen trout/ Feb 15 18:14:12 I can just imagine the comments from Frank Wagner, either way. Feb 15 18:14:28 roope, ...and others :/ Feb 15 18:14:28 GeneralAntilles: announcement will breath in some fresh air in Maemo lungs for sure) Feb 15 18:14:30 Ha! I know why we need to have the Summit in Helsinki. Feb 15 18:14:48 GeneralAntilles: People really tired to compare n810 vs everything) Feb 15 18:15:10 s/so what an/so would an/ <- eep Feb 15 18:15:21 Meizirkki: afterwards that, in mer chroot, mv /usr/share/hal/fdi/information/20thirdparty/10-nokia-tablets.fdi /usr/share/hal/fdi/policy/20thirdparty/ (because i am potentially an idiot.) Feb 15 18:15:35 and boot into mer Feb 15 18:15:38 johnx, that's already been announced. Feb 15 18:15:47 GeneralAntilles, that's my point :) Feb 15 18:16:00 johnx, oh, right we've already had the step. Feb 15 18:16:11 Well, stage-time next to S60 still seems like another big step to me. Feb 15 18:16:26 Stskeeps: ookay Feb 15 18:16:49 I agree. I think we'll see it happen in littler steps as Nokia at large gets comfortable with the work of their Maemo R&D section Feb 15 18:17:20 it's possible to simulate right click with stylet ? Feb 15 18:17:31 tap n' hold Feb 15 18:17:50 you know, what surprises me the most is how bloody sturdy these damn tablets are Feb 15 18:17:51 steps so far: Adding the tablets to the N series, announcing with an HSPA radio, integrating with Nokia desktop apps, paying Navicore to bring Map Feb 15 18:17:59 johnx, it'll be interesting to see the option between Maemo or Symbian on Nokia's smartphones. Feb 15 18:18:24 Stskeeps, the /usr/share/hal/fdi/information/20thirdparty/ dir is empty in my Diablo installation .. Feb 15 18:18:42 Meizirkki: yes, hence why i am an idiot, and i said in Mer chroot :P Feb 15 18:18:57 chroot into the mer partition Feb 15 18:19:15 i just had my tablet fly across my office cos my foot caught the charger cable Feb 15 18:19:19 GeneralAntilles, I doubt we'll ever see them on *exactly* the same hardware, but yeah, it will be quite interesting. A lot of the old players in the game are doing some surprising things these last couple years :) Feb 15 18:19:39 and even if battery and sd slot holder inside popped out and back panel popped off.. Feb 15 18:19:43 boots fine. Feb 15 18:19:45 Stskeeps: oh, i missunderstood, sorry Feb 15 18:19:58 Meizirkki: hey, at least i didn't nuke your maemo installation :P Feb 15 18:20:19 mine has scuff marks from exposure to concrete O_o; my zauruses have held up similarly and they even have moving parts though Feb 15 18:20:31 what it really goes to show you is how fragile laptops are Feb 15 18:21:09 Those chargers are dangerous Feb 15 18:21:19 * Meizirkki boots to Mer Feb 15 18:21:22 I like it when I forget mine's plugged in and try to pick it up too quickly. Feb 15 18:21:30 yeah, ive had cellphones and laptops fly from that Feb 15 18:21:56 GeneralAntilles, yup. and they're the biggest weak point of the whole physical/mechanical construction Feb 15 18:22:15 It isn't just that laptops are more fragile, but that the mass is so much greater. More mass = more energy to dissipate upon deceleration = more damage. Feb 15 18:22:44 well, I guess that could be a definition of "fragile" - but it is more a matter of physics than build quality. Feb 15 18:23:23 i remember some old nmt phone, you could throw them on a brick wall and only the wall would get hurt, call wouldnt be dropped : Feb 15 18:23:26 :) Feb 15 18:23:27 mostly thinking about fans and hard discs Feb 15 18:24:09 Stskeeps, Fn key still dead :( Feb 15 18:24:40 Meizirkki: lshal again Feb 15 18:25:26 Stskeeps, uploaded Feb 15 18:26:56 Meizirkki: blast Feb 15 18:27:04 sec Feb 15 18:29:20 Meizirkki: grab http://trac.tspre.org/svn/deblet/trunk/packages/main/hal/fdi/policy/10osvendor/10-keymap.fdi , remove 10-nokia-tablets.fdi, and put this in /usr/share/hal/fdi/policy/10osvendor/10-keymaps.fdi Feb 15 18:29:32 ok Feb 15 18:30:13 10-keymap.fdi sorry Feb 15 18:33:09 i replace the existing file? Feb 15 18:33:14 yes Feb 15 18:36:53 Stskeeps, Fn key still dead :( Feb 15 18:37:11 lshal :/ Feb 15 18:37:47 should i have the n810-slideout-kb-xmodmap package installed? Feb 15 18:38:05 yes Feb 15 18:38:16 well, no, not after the grab Feb 15 18:38:22 but we just removed the file so Feb 15 18:38:35 Stskeeps, uploaded Feb 15 18:38:43 ta Feb 15 18:39:59 ok, well, the issue is that the keyboard should point to 'nokiarx44' as keyboard model. Feb 15 18:40:19 in xkb.model Feb 15 18:41:08 johnx: why when i replace hildon-application-manager-list, in the option of the application manager (gui) it keep former list of repository ? Feb 15 18:42:46 JerhuM, the list is also stored in another file Feb 15 18:43:08 ok where please ? Feb 15 18:43:19 I don't remember. I'm looking Feb 15 18:43:27 Meizirkki: ok, hmm, setxkbmap -model nokiarx44 Feb 15 18:44:33 Stskeeps, and reboot? Feb 15 18:44:41 Meizirkki: no, go test now if Fn works :P Feb 15 18:44:50 it doesn't Feb 15 18:44:53 .. Feb 15 18:44:57 setxkbmap -print Feb 15 18:45:16 JerhuM, johnx: /etc/hildon-application-manager/catalogues :) Feb 15 18:45:26 i need a n810. :P Feb 15 18:46:03 where's your sense of N800 patriotism? :p Feb 15 18:46:04 qwerty12_N800, ah. thought it was something like that, but I guess it doesn't exist if h-a-m hasn't managed to update it's list yet :) Feb 15 18:46:15 qwerty12_N800: it is still there but i have to support rx-44 too.. Feb 15 18:46:40 thanks qwerty12_N800 and johnx :) Feb 15 18:46:40 johnx: heh :) Feb 15 18:46:45 Stskeeps, http://pastebin.com/m5319d58f Feb 15 18:46:51 Stskeeps: I say forget them :P Feb 15 18:47:18 any suggestions for charging my N810 before the charger arrives? >.> Feb 15 18:47:43 luke-jr, have any friends with Nokia phones? Feb 15 18:47:47 buy an E90 and put the battery in there Feb 15 18:48:57 Meizirkki: know what a ssh tunnel is? Feb 15 18:49:10 nope Feb 15 18:49:13 tellme Feb 15 18:49:41 well it is basically a way for me to access the ssh server on your tablet :P you run a command and i can go back through that tunnel and log in to your mer installation Feb 15 18:50:08 johnx: no idea Feb 15 18:50:21 Stskeeps, okay for me, but my ip address is local only.. Feb 15 18:50:21 luke-jr, time to find out :> Feb 15 18:50:28 192.168.0.xxx Feb 15 18:50:34 Meizirkki: and yes, the good thing about ssh tunnels is they don't care about that :P Feb 15 18:50:51 any way to track a package w/o the tracking code? :x Feb 15 18:51:09 hum /etc/hildon-application-manager/catalogues have ugly syntax to modify , johnx please send me your :) Feb 15 18:52:19 Meizirkki, basically you make an ssh tunnel that has one end on your tablet and one end on a machine that Stskeeps has access to Feb 15 18:52:28 ok Feb 15 18:56:00 JerhuM, http://pastebin.ca/1338155 Feb 15 18:56:44 JerhuM, almost all software you want is in the extras repository ( wiki.maemo.org/Extras ) Feb 15 18:57:16 thanks yet Feb 15 19:01:06 Stskeeps, ok, looks like enter works now on the zaurus keyboard :) is h-i-m-e-p still supposed to pop up? Feb 15 19:01:16 johnx: yeah.. that is another issue Feb 15 19:01:44 well then it works Feb 15 19:03:04 k Feb 15 19:06:47 omg, SE released 12 mpx phone Feb 15 19:08:37 wazd: people like numbers Feb 15 19:09:15 mmm...numbers Feb 15 19:11:27 Meizirkki: any Fn now? Feb 15 19:11:32 (i switched layout to being Fi) Feb 15 19:11:49 or fisenoda, which sounds like a very dirty word in danish Feb 15 19:12:17 Stskeeps, no Fn key :( Feb 15 19:12:30 Meizirkki: how about rest? Feb 15 19:12:32 finnish specific stuff Feb 15 19:14:17 minus is on its place, but ä andö are æ and ø Feb 15 19:14:49 ok, so some of them are wrong.. Feb 15 19:15:05 or? Feb 15 19:15:37 i think ä and ö are on their place, but font or something just does not support them Feb 15 19:15:40 wait a bit Feb 15 19:16:10 nope, they aren't working any better in Maemopad Feb 15 19:16:13 ok Feb 15 19:16:18 i wonder.. Feb 15 19:18:59 Meizirkki: reboot, reestablish ssh tunnel Feb 15 19:19:18 ok Feb 15 19:21:06 how to redirect port using iptables? on a linux pc, not a nokia Feb 15 19:22:26 Stskeeps: can i localize mer virtual keyboard? Feb 15 19:22:58 oli: IP doesn't support that Feb 15 19:23:22 hahlo: if you edit the source.. we really need someone to work on it Feb 15 19:23:49 is it c? Feb 15 19:23:53 yeah Feb 15 19:24:14 luke-jr: ? so how to? Feb 15 19:25:19 Stskeeps, does our h-i-m 'example plugin' use different key layouts than the maemo/diablo h-i-m stylus keyboard? Feb 15 19:25:29 Stskeeps, tunnel open Feb 15 19:25:31 johnx: i dont even think the plugin is there Feb 15 19:25:32 Meiz_mer: ta Feb 15 19:26:33 Meiz_mer: ok, test fn Feb 15 19:26:37 hmm? what do you mean 'not there'? I mean the h-i-m onscreen keyboard we use right now. (I have I feeling I'm missing something big) Feb 15 19:26:43 oli: you can only redirect to the local PC Feb 15 19:26:49 johnx: as in the example plugin is not really functional Feb 15 19:26:55 oli: otherwise, the closest thing is a proxy of some form Feb 15 19:27:18 Stskeeps: not working . Feb 15 19:27:25 Meiz_mer: k, hmm Feb 15 19:27:51 luke-jr: no way :| i just want to make my nokia accesible from Internet via VNC Feb 15 19:28:54 oli: ok, so either put it on the Internet or setup a proxy Feb 15 19:28:58 luke-jr, are you sure? Feb 15 19:29:51 johnx: it's unbelieveable for me, that iptables cannot forward packets to other host... Feb 15 19:30:34 oli, I'm about 90% sure I was using iptables for that exact purpose, but it was on a wrt54g and I set it up with a web frontend Feb 15 19:30:57 oli: it can, but the return packets won't go the right way if you do that Feb 15 19:31:30 Meiz_mer: ok, getting closer Feb 15 19:31:33 luke-jr: but connection from WAN will work, won't it? Feb 15 19:31:45 Interesting: someone claims to have played with the RX-51: http://forum.boxee.tv/showthread.php?p=36665#post36665 Feb 15 19:31:47 oli: no Feb 15 19:31:59 oli: unless your N8x0's gateway is that same Linux machine Feb 15 19:32:25 luke-jr: should i draw it for you? ;| Feb 15 19:32:41 oli, I see what luke-jr is saying. basically, if you want to be able to reach your tablet from outside the network the machine you use as a router/NAT needs to be the same machine your do port redirection on Feb 15 19:33:07 johnx: that's exactly what my situation is Feb 15 19:33:19 johnx: no it doesn't Feb 15 19:33:22 and your linux desktop box is the router/NAT? Feb 15 19:33:40 johnx: yep. I share Internet via iptables to LAN Feb 15 19:33:44 johnx: iptables can redirect to other hosts as well Feb 15 19:34:25 jacekowski, ah. sorry, I was just talking about what would accomplish his goals in his specific case Feb 15 19:34:41 Jaffa: hype before the hit? :P Feb 15 19:35:03 Stskeeps: adds some (not much, admittedly) weight to the hope of an announcement at MWC Feb 15 19:35:20 Jaffa, bastards! Feb 15 19:36:00 oli, google for iptables accept redirect Feb 15 19:36:11 Meiz_mer: reboot, tunnel (sorry) :P Feb 15 19:37:53 ok Feb 15 19:41:39 Stskeeps, ssh tunnel open Feb 15 19:42:22 ta Feb 15 19:43:00 test fn and such Feb 15 19:43:15 still no fn Feb 15 19:43:27 .. wtf. Feb 15 19:43:51 ok, going to pop up Xev again Feb 15 19:43:56 please press fn Feb 15 19:43:57 ok Feb 15 19:44:45 ok, ta Feb 15 19:49:23 start-hildon does the enter magic. first-boot-wizard should finish building in a sec. then it will too Feb 15 19:49:27 off to sleep Feb 15 19:49:37 good luck with the fn key guys Feb 15 19:49:56 alright, ta Feb 15 19:58:05 key { [ XF86Phone ] }; Feb 15 19:58:07 * Stskeeps ponders idly Feb 15 19:58:42 how does the n97 look again? does it have media keys on it? like play/stop,rewind, etc Feb 15 19:59:30 ono Feb 15 19:59:33 missed johnx Feb 15 20:00:07 Stskeeps, like the N96? I don't believe so. Feb 15 20:00:24 GAN800: well, there are some rather awkward buttons in rx-51 definition Feb 15 20:00:50 Stskeeps, what, like "Porn"? Feb 15 20:01:56 nm, i'm seeing things Feb 15 20:02:07 lol @ a porn button Feb 15 20:02:16 get back to making liqporn, lcuk Feb 15 20:02:17 :P Feb 15 20:02:45 you are the one with your tongue out - don't get electrocuted licking your screen Feb 15 20:02:47 Unset jelly? Feb 15 20:03:19 Jaffa, that guy who claims to have seen next gen device might be thinking of the n97 Feb 15 20:03:28 i know i was when we were discussing 5800 before Feb 15 20:03:34 Meiz_mer: test fn, if fail, reboot Feb 15 20:03:41 ok Feb 15 20:04:01 lcuk: maybe - he knows enough to know Maemo, but not enough to think that porting a complex media system might be tricky for someone with no programming experience. Feb 15 20:04:03 ive run top, and it shows "maemo-launcher" as a hi running app - how can i find out what its actually running Feb 15 20:04:08 * Meiz_mer reboots... Feb 15 20:04:17 * Stskeeps curses Feb 15 20:04:36 lol jaffa yeah i noticed the flaw in the plans Feb 15 20:06:59 oh. my. god. http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/334 Feb 15 20:07:42 Stskeeps, ssh open Feb 15 20:07:51 wazd, you say omg like you fell on this by accident. you sat there and custom rendered your own hello kitty ti calc design. Feb 15 20:08:49 lcuk: that was for GeneralAntilles :) Feb 15 20:08:55 or is the omg because you want in on the beta test Feb 15 20:08:57 lol Feb 15 20:09:10 qwerty12-mer: you succeeded? :o Feb 15 20:09:40 wazd, you've found your new dream game, then? Feb 15 20:09:54 The ioquake3 forums were Hello Kitty-themed for a while. Feb 15 20:10:11 Meiz_mer: still here? Feb 15 20:10:14 did you campaign to keep em that way? Feb 15 20:10:31 Ahah, it's been updated: http://ioquake.org/forums/ Feb 15 20:10:48 The hover effects are fun. Feb 15 20:10:57 Stskeeps, yep, edited tablet-wireless script & installed wicd Feb 15 20:11:02 qwerty12-mer: good :) Feb 15 20:11:05 Wazd: http://images.mmorpg.com//images/galleries/formatted/392008/95613352-4008-4094-998c-a56cbecb6941.jpg Feb 15 20:11:28 rm_you: xD Feb 15 20:11:34 GeneralAntilles: yep :P Feb 15 20:11:54 qwerty12-mer: be aware that you might need to adapt the wifi power saving yourswelf Feb 15 20:11:57 it depends on NM Feb 15 20:12:15 I'm looking for some dumb but funny game to reset my brain :) Feb 15 20:12:43 Stskeeps, wifi-psm doesn't really bother me in mer :) Feb 15 20:13:13 wazd: traffic? :) Feb 15 20:13:20 qwerty12-mer: well i meant more like it will get warm ;) Feb 15 20:13:42 timelE61i: what?) Feb 15 20:13:45 sorry Sts, nm-applet stopped working Feb 15 20:13:54 Meiz_n810: ah, hate when that happens Feb 15 20:13:55 * Meiz_n810 installs wifi-radar Feb 15 20:14:04 Stskeeps, I've had that happen in offline mode ;) Feb 15 20:14:50 qwerty12-mer, you got wlan working ? Feb 15 20:15:14 sorry, i just checked #mer Feb 15 20:15:30 yep :) Feb 15 20:19:41 should i be scared i didn't receive any maemo-community mail today? :P Feb 15 20:22:54 can i screw up global memory allocation by abusing malloc/free. ie not freeing memory properly after closing app etc (im used to windows memory alloc stuff still) Feb 15 20:23:39 lcuk: when your app is closed, the memory will be free again. Feb 15 20:24:06 But there's no good excuse for not freeing things... Feb 15 20:25:31 finally Feb 15 20:25:42 Stskeeps: tunnel opeen Feb 15 20:25:47 benson, i know that, i just went wayyyyyy ott and allocated and freed muchly and made the entire machine crawl Feb 15 20:26:04 closing re-opening didnt help, so i wondered if it was Feb 15 20:26:44 Well, if everything else got swapped out to make room for your mess, it'll be slow till it gets swapped back in. Maybe that' Feb 15 20:26:50 s what you saw? Feb 15 20:27:16 sounds reasonable, but it was persistent - mem alloc when not running was at 120mb Feb 15 20:27:52 strange. Feb 15 20:28:32 yeah, dont normally notice such things. machines had a few hiccups last day or so anyway. shall find out soon Feb 15 20:28:52 i might take this as a reasonable time to put mer on Feb 15 20:31:12 Meiz_mer: test kthx Feb 15 20:31:26 mer heads: the wifi works, but it doesnt powersave - is that the same as mine currently (I use adhoc) - will i get similar life expectancy? Feb 15 20:31:40 Stskeeps: still no fn Feb 15 20:32:03 Stskeeps, no. Feb 15 20:32:23 lcuk: it does powersave now Feb 15 20:32:27 (in 0.8( Feb 15 20:32:29 Meiz_mer: wtf Feb 15 20:32:35 Meiz_mer: popping xev up Feb 15 20:32:35 heh, but not for adhoc Feb 15 20:33:04 Stskeeps: Fn key right? Feb 15 20:33:07 Meiz_mer: yes Feb 15 20:33:09 GeneralAntilles: hum? Feb 15 20:33:16 -community Feb 15 20:33:26 ah Feb 15 20:34:25 hm Feb 15 20:34:33 do people still use tar for actual backing up? Feb 15 20:34:46 i have to xfer an entire fbsd system over to a new one Feb 15 20:36:15 i do occasionally Feb 15 20:36:23 the Mer snapshots are too.. Feb 15 20:36:51 yah? i need to start working on getting fbsd off the dual p3 and put it on the esxi box Feb 15 20:37:15 lcuk: Ad-Hoc really is a bad idea Feb 15 20:37:17 making 2 fbsd VMs .. one dns and one shell Feb 15 20:37:39 harbaum, doesnt cause me problems and allows completely free roaming with my cloud of machines Feb 15 20:37:47 harbaum: i have to use adhoc for my G1 Feb 15 20:37:56 it works rather well Feb 15 20:38:03 whether at home or work or in a hotel or anywhere i can connect Feb 15 20:38:12 as a matter of fact.. i am on it now Feb 15 20:38:25 ad-hoc is being hacked within seconds Feb 15 20:38:46 well.. adhoc is the only way i can tether my G1 ;) Feb 15 20:39:05 harbaum, so hack me Feb 15 20:39:06 * benson iz in ur ad-hok snifin ur paketz Feb 15 20:39:14 haha Feb 15 20:39:15 as long as you don't have to pay the bill and don't care about your data Feb 15 20:39:32 they can have the internet connection - oh wait, sorry its just my machines Feb 15 20:39:33 you're going to sniff my ssh pkts? :) Feb 15 20:39:41 * lcuk renames his adhoc to "free internet" Feb 15 20:39:58 heh yeah macer, i forgot thats how i actually connect as well Feb 15 20:40:09 Name it "Free Public WiFi" -- then nobody connects. Feb 15 20:40:20 haha Feb 15 20:40:21 everybody connects at least once, thats how it spread Feb 15 20:40:25 your dialup is running through ssh? Feb 15 20:40:34 you can set iptables up on the G1 so that only specific IPs can aaccess it Feb 15 20:40:35 dialup? Feb 15 20:40:45 oh, you mean the home connection Feb 15 20:40:47 i'm stil waiting for someone to come out with an AP app for android.. that would fucking own Feb 15 20:41:39 i'm actually kind of glad i made an xp VM on the esxi box Feb 15 20:41:49 lcuk, btw, liqbase doesn't agree with xsp in mer Feb 15 20:41:50 now i can rdc and manage it from itself Feb 15 20:41:53 how ghetto Feb 15 20:42:10 using a VM to manage esxi :) Feb 15 20:42:11 harbaum, i have trouble connecting to my own internet from sitting at the frontdoor with n810, if someone in my living room wants to use the internet they are free to Feb 15 20:42:28 ap mode will be interesting for the maemo5 units with hsdpa Feb 15 20:42:32 qwerty12-mer, xsp isnt technically a dependency anymore really Feb 15 20:42:52 lcuk: I can roam my entire apartment with my phone sitting in the window and keep a BT link. Feb 15 20:43:14 My BT is stronger than you WiFi! :P Feb 15 20:43:23 (or my apartment's smaller...) Feb 15 20:43:33 my wifi gives me detailed diagnostic zooming liqbase information :P Feb 15 20:44:01 lcuk, yeah, just a heads up Feb 15 20:44:03 lcuk, just because your devices don't use proper antennas doesn't mean other people don't use better ones Feb 15 20:44:07 * lcuk curses it cos the lag hasnt gone after a reboot Feb 15 20:44:37 Maybe something removed your swap file? Feb 15 20:44:51 harbaum: are they going to allow it to have an ap mode? :) Feb 15 20:44:55 nahhh, its code related Feb 15 20:44:56 that would be awesome Feb 15 20:44:59 a nice antenna is the best way to download illegal stuff etc ... Feb 15 20:45:03 Sometimes it seems to forget swap is on, although I haven't had it in months... Feb 15 20:45:05 liqbase classic is still slick Feb 15 20:45:18 macer, how should they prevent us? Feb 15 20:45:34 by keeping the wifi driver closed? Feb 15 20:46:00 they claim maemo5 will be 100% open Feb 15 20:46:05 Ok, ATI85 version 1.2 is now in Extras Feb 15 20:46:15 harbaum: the same thing was said aboud android and symbian Feb 15 20:46:24 harbaum: No, they don't claim that; they claim it'll be much more open. Feb 15 20:46:25 Whoever wanted state preservation and [2nd][on] working, you have got your wishes Feb 15 20:46:28 harbaum, wheres the 100% open claim Feb 15 20:46:54 ok ... i thought i remembered that ... Feb 15 20:47:22 They're keeping a bunch of things value-adding differentiators closed, like all their sucky applets. Feb 15 20:47:27 i heard much more open and working with the community and transparent process, but never 100% Feb 15 20:47:46 harbaum, the number is about 80% Feb 15 20:47:52 s/ v/ they call v/ Feb 15 20:47:52 benson meant: They're keeping a bunch of things they call value-adding differentiators closed, like all their sucky applets. Feb 15 20:48:05 and to be honest, that doesnt bother me - im not afraid of closed software/drivers as long as they are actively maintained Feb 15 20:48:28 esxi is great Feb 15 20:48:37 if only they had clients for something other than windows Feb 15 20:48:43 that's its only drawback Feb 15 20:49:02 i'd be willing to use a usb wifi adaptor if that gives me a non-webwashed wlan dialup at work Feb 15 20:49:05 and it's lack of hardware support. but i suppose you build around esxi if you're planning to use it Feb 15 20:49:20 Stskeeps, FN WORKS !!! Feb 15 20:49:29 .. Feb 15 20:49:33 then what am i doing right now? Feb 15 20:49:50 Meiz_mer: i have no idea why it is working. Feb 15 20:50:03 lcuk: the ap mode issue shows pretty well the problem of closed source: You can't do the nifty stuff Feb 15 20:51:13 Meiz_mer: does it work now too? Feb 15 20:51:29 no Feb 15 20:51:34 "open, and extend" Feb 15 20:51:39 now? Feb 15 20:51:46 yes Feb 15 20:51:50 wtf :P Feb 15 20:52:03 but at least it means im going in the right direction with the compile i am doing right now Feb 15 20:52:07 The RX-51's WiFi is open. Feb 15 20:52:35 GAN800; What chip? Feb 15 20:52:37 * bef0rd tries ATI85 Feb 15 20:52:55 A TI model, don't have the number handy. Feb 15 20:53:43 WL1251 Feb 15 20:54:08 Stskeeps: whoops, i closed the xterm. is the connection still open? Feb 15 20:54:17 Meiz_mer: nop, but im waiting for something to compile anyway Feb 15 20:55:45 there's imho no master mode firmware for the wl1251 :-( Feb 15 20:56:20 What's wrong with Bluetooth PAN? Feb 15 20:56:51 few client devices support bt-pan Feb 15 20:57:19 Most modern ones do. Feb 15 20:57:39 Stskeeps, i'll boot to maemo and go to sleep now, ok? i can leave mer+ssh open too, if you want Feb 15 20:57:40 Real computers will, anyway. Feb 15 20:57:57 Meiz_mer: nah, its fine - thanks for helping Feb 15 20:58:04 the compile will take a bit and i need to edit a file so Feb 15 20:58:22 np, good night Feb 15 20:58:49 Andrewfblack: hello! Feb 15 20:58:56 (on to the next victim..) Feb 15 21:00:17 heh Feb 15 21:00:36 but a mobile ap is not for normal computers Feb 15 21:00:40 wow.. this fbsd install is going slow as shit.. 185K from freebsd.org Feb 15 21:00:40 blah Feb 15 21:01:05 maybe that's from me using the xp vm on the same box with rdc Feb 15 21:01:44 my cars head unit e.g. can do wifi client but not bt pan client Feb 15 21:02:16 your car's head unit? haha Feb 15 21:03:22 http://www.engadget.com/photos/garmin-asus-m20-shows-its-soft-ware-side/1358987/ Feb 15 21:03:43 looks like there there are absolutely no designers in Korea Feb 15 21:04:02 macer, no joke Feb 15 21:04:21 i'm sure it's not Feb 15 21:04:36 i just thought it was funny that of all the clients you could think of.. you chose "my car's head unit" Feb 15 21:04:40 :) Feb 15 21:04:42 how the hell could such a big vendor as Asus/Garmin make such a dumb icons Feb 15 21:04:48 that's extremely niche Feb 15 21:04:58 you should see my universitys new logo.. Feb 15 21:05:12 building such things is my job Feb 15 21:05:24 http://www.au.dk (top left corner) Feb 15 21:05:44 now, what does that look like to you. Feb 15 21:06:06 wazd, too bad they're putting out a WinMob version. Feb 15 21:06:15 Stskeeps: well, thats the parts of "mer" letters :) Feb 15 21:06:31 Stskeeps: hahah Feb 15 21:06:31 Stskeeps: u :) Feb 15 21:06:43 nobody noticed the similarity? Feb 15 21:06:57 Stskeeps: ofcourse it looks like some part of the body but I'm optimist)) Feb 15 21:06:59 i bet the logo designer got a good laugh Feb 15 21:07:10 Macer: i am not kidding.. they put so much money into the new logo Feb 15 21:07:17 i'm sure they did Feb 15 21:07:25 i couldn't believe how much money my company paid for a new logo Feb 15 21:07:40 that looks like a green at&t symbol Feb 15 21:07:46 what a racket :) Feb 15 21:08:26 not even the professors can take this logo seriously :> Feb 15 21:08:46 Stskeeps: we have cell-carrier: http://www.mts.ru/upload/images/design/logo4.gif Feb 15 21:09:04 wtf... my damn vm just kind of stopped on me Feb 15 21:09:31 damnit... i knew i should have picked a different site than the freebsd.org one Feb 15 21:09:41 Stskeeps: I bet your university chief's name is Dick xD Feb 15 21:09:43 either that.. or the hard drive in the box is about to explode Feb 15 21:10:10 * Stskeeps backs away Feb 15 21:10:12 Stskeeps, i found the bits of the logo that fell off Feb 15 21:10:18 they are at the bottom right of the page ;) Feb 15 21:10:39 so nothing about the new devices on mwc? Feb 15 21:10:59 are we due for some? i thought the roadmap had been released Feb 15 21:11:10 lcuk: i am not kidding, they invented a whole alphabet for this stuff.. Feb 15 21:11:15 i dunno. was it? Feb 15 21:11:22 * RST38h once again notices how he hates the "improved" URL bar in FF3 Feb 15 21:11:28 Stskeeps: all i can say is that logo puts the ic in .dk :) Feb 15 21:11:49 RST38h, :D the cool bar - its horrendous Feb 15 21:11:50 RST38h: me too Feb 15 21:11:54 i can't stand that crap Feb 15 21:12:00 qwerty12_N800: when the revolution comes, there are some graphics artists who will be put against the wall and shot. Feb 15 21:12:25 hehe Feb 15 21:12:28 those 5 second delays every time I start typing something there, they are awful Feb 15 21:12:40 i am willing to bet this was some 2 million dkk order that backfired and they thought they just had to use or it would have had been a waste of money.. Feb 15 21:13:01 "quick, make it worthwhile, create a font" Feb 15 21:13:27 * timeless sighs Feb 15 21:13:36 my e61i can't handle a 4' fall Feb 15 21:13:43 RST38h: my problem is somewhat the opposite - I've grown too used to it and am lazy with what I type in it and get pissed off when it doesn't show something Feb 15 21:14:00 mmm i fscked the mmc again and its working Feb 15 21:14:15 i need something a bit more stable to work from, time to buy a new one Feb 15 21:14:28 * lcuk used to wear out floppies and hard drives Feb 15 21:14:34 qwerty: well, it shows me wrong stuff too, every now and then Feb 15 21:14:41 but delay is the worst "feature" of it Feb 15 21:15:18 qwerty: what's the name of the theme picker? Feb 15 21:15:26 or is there some way for me to update and get it? Feb 15 21:15:28 lcuk: where's that roadmap? Feb 15 21:15:36 timeless: hildon-theme-selector Feb 15 21:15:36 http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Maemo_roadmap/Fremantle Feb 15 21:16:19 timeless: you can just apt-get it and it'll work Feb 15 21:16:36 wtf fbsd Feb 15 21:16:37 fail Feb 15 21:16:49 lcuk: that's about software only Feb 15 21:19:51 harbaum, dunno then Feb 15 21:21:31 * lcuk doesnt care about specific looks yet, we know the guts (beagleboard) and know it will be in a handheld. wont it look like the omap3 tablets we have seen already (on youtube from movial) ??? Feb 15 21:23:17 qwerty: yum Feb 15 21:23:36 :) Feb 15 21:24:05 we should consider supporting gettext ;-) Feb 15 21:24:23 btw: the chinook promotion interface is still broken Feb 15 21:24:48 is the chinook builder still broken? Feb 15 21:25:16 dunno, last time i tried the armel worked, but i386 was broken Feb 15 21:25:51 i really need to release a new version of my osm editor, it damages the osm main database ... Feb 15 21:26:17 if only the promotion interface would let me ... Feb 15 21:26:36 ahh :/. I think, looking the logs of my failed chinook package, the Packages.gz is fubared and the promotion interface gets its info from Packages.gz afaik Feb 15 21:28:15 maybe. it complains about something in the repos not being in gzip format. that may be the packages.gz Feb 15 21:29:11 mmm tearing in an odd manner has appeared after being vanished for months Feb 15 21:29:22 * lcuk thinks he foobared his tablet Feb 15 21:29:38 lcuk: Blizzard finally given up on you? =) Feb 15 21:30:48 not sure whether its how im pushing it, im using all the methods i use normally, but im experiencing things tearing through the xv shm block (i dont write until XV itself tells me it finished sending the data) Feb 15 21:31:59 some other app may be interfering? Feb 15 21:32:14 lcuk: maybe the new Xomap changes are disturbing you? Feb 15 21:32:39 yeah its more noticable when charging (updating the icon 25/50/75/100 etc) but its happening even when not charging Feb 15 21:33:40 * RST38h kinda fixed the url bar Feb 15 21:33:58 lcuk: I would blame the cpu load applet Feb 15 21:34:07 have a job to, i dont have that Feb 15 21:36:50 lcuk: what are the frequency scaling settings? Feb 15 21:37:24 ssvb, only ever adjust between ondemand and performance, lemme check current Feb 15 21:37:31 * timeless is wondering how to patchbomb from gmail Feb 15 21:37:42 standard "ondemand" havent adjusted since reboots earlier Feb 15 21:38:10 lcuk: tearing is a pretty bad problem when running at low clock frequency as screen updates are very slow Feb 15 21:39:15 ssvb, its fast though most of the time, i just get noticable extreme glitches sometimes - i use the XvShmPutImage with the "raise completion event" and wait until thats back at me before touching the planes Feb 15 21:39:30 lcuk: try to enforce 400MHz cpu clock frequency and check if it helps Feb 15 21:39:40 * lcuk runs liqbase Feb 15 21:40:33 absolutely no difference at performance Feb 15 21:40:54 anyone good with HAL and their fdis, here? :P Feb 15 21:41:11 when you find someone lemme know Feb 15 21:41:32 lcuk: do you mean it does not help with tearing? Feb 15 21:41:49 ill tinker, because it works smoothly sometimes then has a benny and has horrid effect (first thing it does with a screen rebuild is clear the buffer to black, then draws picture icons or whatever on) sometimes whole images are missing! Feb 15 21:42:23 no ssvb, its possible something in my code thats disabling my flag, but very annoying to return now Feb 15 21:42:43 lcuk: if your application does not have a consistent high cpu load, cpu clock frequency may scale down sometimes causing horrible tearing Feb 15 21:43:54 ssvb, nope, in powersave mode (normal) its great and tearfree Feb 15 21:44:10 but then sometimes it tears like a bitch Feb 15 21:44:10 lcuk: hmm, it's all very confusing Feb 15 21:45:26 http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/markets/japan/article5723942.ece Feb 15 21:45:28 enjoy Feb 15 21:45:46 lcuk: ok, then it is somewhat understandable, in normal mode having heavy tearing is not something unexpected Feb 15 21:46:02 anyone been able to get Friendscard from garage to install? Feb 15 21:46:14 hello AFBN810! Feb 15 21:46:21 lcuk: it can be especially confusing if you optimize your application to reduce cpu load Feb 15 21:46:25 no ssvb, its very unexpected to tear. (in powersave mode) normally, it runs simply slower, less fps. Feb 15 21:46:35 lcuk: and get worse tearing as a result Feb 15 21:46:37 still no noticable tearing Feb 15 21:46:38 Hey Stskeeps Feb 15 21:46:45 thats the effect i see Feb 15 21:47:02 but then for some reasons occasionally tearing phases in for a few seconds Feb 15 21:47:07 like inteference on a tv Feb 15 21:47:11 then drifts away again Feb 15 21:47:38 lcuk: that probably happens when cpu switches between 165/400 MHz Feb 15 21:47:43 i get black and white photos (cos the color planes vanished) Feb 15 21:47:53 lcuk: you can easily check it by disabling frequency scaling Feb 15 21:47:56 or no photos (cos all vanished!) Feb 15 21:48:04 and more: http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1878462,00.html Feb 15 21:48:04 im locked to powersave mode now Feb 15 21:48:14 I find this thinking baffling: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=264701&postcount=7 Feb 15 21:48:29 Things are obviously related because I think they're related. Feb 15 21:48:58 ill look deeper ssvb, its feeling more like the new code. liqbase default cannot visibly reproduce it Feb 15 21:49:07 but then again, its doing different stuff Feb 15 21:49:16 lcuk: try 'echo null > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor && echo 0 > /sys/power/op_active' for 400MHz Feb 15 21:49:21 GeneralAntilles: isn't it going to be wonderful when we can just point to a control panel applet? .. Feb 15 21:49:38 Stskeeps, yes. Feb 15 21:49:50 Unfortunately it'll just be replaced by something else. Feb 15 21:49:54 lcuk: and 'echo null > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor && echo 3 > /sys/power/op_active' for 165MHz Feb 15 21:50:08 GeneralAntilles: hehe, yes :P Feb 15 21:50:35 ssvb, ok, but wont powersave and perofrmance do that? Feb 15 21:50:39 performance Feb 15 21:50:45 lcuk: have no idea Feb 15 21:51:04 lcuk: but this is guaranteed to work Feb 15 21:51:11 its always appeared to, in powersave i get much less fps in a stable locked at one speed manner Feb 15 21:51:19 same in performance, but lots of fps Feb 15 21:51:28 in ondemand it does the changes Feb 15 21:51:30 "I wish experienced users would be more specific about what order you should setup ad-block and install BattleGweled in." Feb 15 21:52:00 General: he is a newbie and he is in a defensive mode now Feb 15 21:52:06 GeneralAntilles: after spending time on iTT you long back to the bookstore or how was it you work(ed before)? :P Feb 15 21:52:16 General: give him some slack Feb 15 21:52:27 RST38h, RogerS? Feb 15 21:52:34 He butted into the thread. Feb 15 21:52:37 He's not the OP. Feb 15 21:52:45 no ssvb, still same with the tweaks Feb 15 21:52:49 ill check in code Feb 15 21:52:54 Stskeeps, sometimes. Feb 15 21:53:10 Though at least here there's no expectance of good customer service. :P Feb 15 21:53:26 thanks though Feb 15 21:53:33 General: Well, I see no effective method to flame him in this situation, so it may just be better to ignore =) Feb 15 21:53:40 lcuk: ok, do you use default kernel? did you try tweaking any tearing related properties for XV? Feb 15 21:53:57 RST38h, I find the mindset baffling is all. ;) Feb 15 21:54:08 yeah ssvb, its rock solid stable in old liqbase and it comes and goes in this, ill try and pinpoint it Feb 15 21:54:41 BTW http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/gizmodo/2009/02/sony-ericsson-idou.jpg Feb 15 21:54:56 More and more of these things start looking like the tablet... Feb 15 21:55:42 s/tablet/iPhone/ Feb 15 21:56:17 star trek padds Feb 15 21:56:18 :P Feb 15 21:56:24 Judging from the number of buttons at the edge, it is rather tablet then iphone Feb 15 21:56:38 Sts: Padds were iphones all right =) Feb 15 21:56:55 a lot of fanboys, or what? Feb 15 21:56:56 :P Feb 15 21:57:03 Trust me, they're not grabbing their inspiration from Internet Tablets. Feb 15 21:57:15 yea, guess so Feb 15 21:57:29 They're just not quite as radical as Apple. Feb 15 21:57:33 Apple did manage to kick phone industry's collective ass Feb 15 21:58:24 "With an OS based on Symbian, the Idou continues..." <=== wait, WHAT??? Feb 15 21:58:36 hm Feb 15 21:58:37 Sony switching to S60? Feb 15 21:58:41 ok.. lets see if this fucks up again Feb 15 21:58:51 RST38h: is it a japanese phone? Feb 15 21:59:01 RST38h: debian lenny release, symbian on SE .. hell freezing over? Feb 15 21:59:10 i though sony used to use synbian Feb 15 21:59:16 uiq Feb 15 21:59:18 qwerty: apparently not Feb 15 21:59:20 i had to start over.. that kinda sucsk.. especially since it was putting the fbsd kernel on .. it was almost finished Feb 15 21:59:23 wierd Feb 15 21:59:26 I tried easy-deb-chroot and set the cpu to performance...didn't like it and removed it. the cpu has stayed maxed since...is there a way to reset the cpu scaling? Feb 15 21:59:28 qwerty: or they would not announce it at MWC Feb 15 21:59:31 it just kind of stopped on its own and wouldn't keep going Feb 15 22:00:55 RST38h: odd. uiq's gone so I guess it makes sense. I know that symbian foma's been used on the japanese phones... but i've always wanted a s60 se phone... lets see how this turns out Feb 15 22:01:25 heh, next up, Sony-Ericsson bought by Nokia :p Feb 15 22:01:38 qwerty: I still suspect it is using WinMo, not S60 Feb 15 22:02:10 WinMo with a shiny shell Feb 15 22:02:16 that is really the norm these days isn't it? Feb 15 22:02:35 it still looks a bit like uiq's default font Feb 15 22:04:02 * qwerty12_N800 never thought he'd be seeing the day where lack of buttons is apparently a feature Feb 15 22:04:52 they should really employ those things where you can add physical buttons to the screen by putting them on top of the screen Feb 15 22:05:01 add a d-pad, place here. Feb 15 22:05:09 lol Feb 15 22:05:34 think of it though, - general purpose tablet devices Feb 15 22:05:49 which can be extended with physical elements Feb 15 22:06:01 Then Stskeeps can mack LCARS printouts to go behind them http://www.chproducts.com/retail/mfp.html Feb 15 22:07:08 GeneralAntilles: yes, that is what i was thinking of Feb 15 22:07:32 but my idea was to have it directly on display :P Feb 15 22:07:43 <3 CH Products Feb 15 22:07:48 Wow Feb 15 22:07:50 2TB hard drives Feb 15 22:07:53 * GeneralAntilles missed that one. Feb 15 22:08:15 i'd rather have a raidz2 with smaller drives instead of loosing 2tb at a time. Feb 15 22:08:39 Stskeeps, hehe, yeah, I'm thinking like that too. Feb 15 22:09:08 I recall jumping for joy over a 75MB hard drive. Feb 15 22:09:33 mm, i went from 20mb to 400mb Feb 15 22:09:35 i was amazed Feb 15 22:10:04 then again, i found windows 1.0 fascinating at some point Feb 15 22:10:34 It's a bit scary to think how far tech has come. Feb 15 22:11:01 on the other hand, it is fascinating to listen to my dads stories of early tech in .dk Feb 15 22:12:18 I like my dad's stories of rifling through garbage cans to get discarded punchcards to use as templates for assignments. Feb 15 22:13:54 hehe Feb 15 22:14:23 not gonna find many discarded usb flash drives in the trash these days Feb 15 22:14:35 unless you're at los alamos of course (; Feb 15 22:14:50 or maybe wallstreet Feb 15 22:15:04 maybe ebay is the modern equiv Feb 15 22:27:24 * RST38h once read about some security researcher (sic) spreading viruses on "discarded" usb flash drives Feb 15 22:28:34 just to see how many people will snuff 'em Feb 15 22:29:12 RST38h, ati85 ftw =) Feb 15 22:38:31 RST38h: I've read about that, funny stuff Feb 15 22:39:10 some of the sandisk cruser drives have a virtual CDrom on them that you can hack so that on windows it will autorun code when you insert it Feb 15 22:39:33 the researchers I was reading about had to rely on putting inticing files on the flash drive in hopes that people would run them Feb 15 22:39:39 gonzor payload... good times i had at school... Feb 15 22:39:58 heh Feb 15 22:40:12 qwerty12_N800: happen to know where HAL picks up the info if its a RX-34 and all that jazz? Feb 15 22:40:56 Stskeeps: no but I can flnd out Feb 15 22:41:26 k Feb 15 22:41:36 mxr? :P Feb 15 22:42:07 no, good ol investigation of the files in my tablet :) Feb 15 22:42:11 hehe Feb 15 22:42:58 i just realized the reason the HAL rule didn't match was .. because it had no hw to match with Feb 15 22:46:58 Stskeeps: at a guess, somewhere, it reads /proc/cpuinfo & /proc/component_version Feb 15 23:09:05 qwerty12_N800: yeah, HAL .. Feb 15 23:15:11 * Stskeeps yawns Feb 16 00:03:37 academic interest, i solved the flickering. http://pastebin.ca/1338469 Feb 16 00:04:27 * lcuk removes 100s of lines of debug Feb 16 01:59:24 * b-man updates status for merinstaller for tomorrows 0.8 release **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Feb 16 02:59:58 2009