**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Feb 18 02:59:57 2009 Feb 18 03:00:51 GeneralAntilles: does it just have fatal hardware design flaws, or could it get better with ubuntu/android/ect later down the pipe? Feb 18 03:01:09 cuz when it works, it works Feb 18 03:03:58 fireun, well, it's old, slow and not well supported. Feb 18 03:09:37 how do I get IPv6? :/ Feb 18 03:11:51 GeneralAntilles: well I'm not throwing em out (: Feb 18 03:12:34 luke-jr: eating the wrong food at a geek potluck Feb 18 03:14:23 … Feb 18 03:19:05 lol Feb 18 03:36:03 maemo is laggy ☹ Feb 18 03:38:34 Is swap on? Feb 18 03:40:52 * b-man discovers an imager/installer for ubuntu jaunty at http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/arm/build-arm-rootfs and thinks about re-designing it for the nit's :) Feb 18 03:40:58 anyone know where i could find a female to female usb adapter? i looked like everywhere in my city and i cannot find one ( Toronto, Canada ) Feb 18 03:44:52 GeneralAntilles: no Feb 18 03:44:58 N810 requires swap? :/ Feb 18 03:45:09 wtf is maemo-launcher and why does it want 60% memory Feb 18 03:47:29 swap helps a lot Feb 18 03:47:52 maemo-launcher launches stuff to save memory Feb 18 03:50:59 … Feb 18 03:51:19 well I closed everything and the browser still refuses to open for lack of memory Feb 18 04:01:23 something is still OPEN Feb 18 04:08:27 zakkm: dealextreme has them, or you could go for an on Feb 18 04:08:42 otg adapter from electronicsproductonline Feb 18 04:10:07 s/s// Feb 18 04:10:09 benson meant: otg adapter from electronicproductonline Feb 18 04:24:43 benson: The extras version of pygtkeditor was broken, but getting it direct from khertan worked. Feb 18 06:32:23 hmm Feb 18 06:34:21 indeed Feb 18 06:35:23 i wonder wtf is $DEBLET_RUN_FROM_LINUXRC Feb 18 06:35:45 it is used in some mer init scripts Feb 18 06:39:39 O.o Feb 18 06:39:50 so how do you all use the case? Feb 18 06:39:58 I find it a pain to remove the N810 from Feb 18 06:45:08 I don't, I use one of briand's HP cases... the N810 sock seems tighter than the N800 one was. Feb 18 06:47:15 Besides, a belt-clip frees my pockets up for other stuff. Feb 18 06:48:19 hm Feb 18 06:48:35 how about email/calendar? Feb 18 06:48:53 ? Feb 18 06:49:08 haven't got to calendar yet, but Mail and Claws both suck Feb 18 06:49:15 * mgedmin wakes up and discovers he's on irc Feb 18 06:50:19 Modest (aka Mail) isn't near as bad as the old Mail was, and does nicely for reading GMail, imho. Feb 18 06:50:39 For writing or searching, I just use a browser. Feb 18 06:50:56 Webkit FTW on GMail. Feb 18 06:51:36 I think I heard Mail only lets you access the inbox.. Feb 18 06:52:08 and I use a browser as a browser, not a wannabe mail client Feb 18 06:53:27 I use GMail on the desktop, so I don't find it troublesome to use the same. Feb 18 06:53:59 AFAIK, though, Mail, Claws, and various webmails are the only GUI options going. Feb 18 06:54:10 sigh Feb 18 06:54:23 * luke-jr ponders ssh -X and kmail Feb 18 06:57:16 Oh, and I don't do calendar stuff, with anything, so no advice there. :P Feb 18 07:03:43 hi Feb 18 07:05:13 hello Feb 18 07:08:59 * luke-jr ponders if the KDE4 port is usable enough to simply run KMail on Maemo Feb 18 07:11:30 oh sure Feb 18 07:11:34 run yet another lame mail client Feb 18 07:11:38 might i suggest gmail? Feb 18 07:11:55 * timeless hasn't tortured qmail recently, but it's unlikely to be a holy grail Feb 18 07:14:21 timeless: KMail actually works Feb 18 07:14:31 and gmail is just a crappy web wannabe Feb 18 07:14:37 and requires I trust Google with my email Feb 18 07:15:53 You are currently using 3992 MB (54%) of your 7296 MB. Feb 18 07:16:02 does kmail handle that? Feb 18 07:16:20 i have a quarter million unread conversations Feb 18 07:16:28 and half a million unread messages Feb 18 07:17:10 in general most MUAs fail miserably for such a mailbox :) Feb 18 07:45:14 * gnuton is back. Feb 18 07:45:17 * timeless cries Feb 18 07:45:23 anyone here have an n800/n810? Feb 18 07:45:33 sure Feb 18 07:45:41 corsac: can you open the media player? Feb 18 07:45:55 does it have a file picker somewhere? either from the menu or the toolbar? Feb 18 07:47:43 let me check Feb 18 07:47:47 thanks Feb 18 07:49:48 menu/clip/open ? Feb 18 07:50:38 the default media player? Feb 18 07:50:50 Menu -> Clip -> Open? Feb 18 07:51:02 (N810) Feb 18 07:51:29 ok Feb 18 07:51:38 so, imagine that 'clip' is a forbidden word Feb 18 07:51:49 ? Feb 18 07:52:01 (hmhm, it doesn't support daap sharing I guess?) Feb 18 07:52:02 a word that should never appear in any UI Feb 18 07:52:19 don't worry about that stuff, please, not my area :) Feb 18 07:52:23 File -> Open? Media -> Open? Feb 18 07:52:48 i'm ok w/ Media in the menu Feb 18 07:52:54 but what bothers me is the title of the dialog Feb 18 07:53:20 suggestions? Feb 18 07:53:37 'Open media' as a dialog title doesn't make me particularly happy Feb 18 07:53:40 the dialog titles is "Open media clip".. "Open media file"? Feb 18 07:53:59 if you think it's ok, it'll be used Feb 18 07:54:36 * Jucato never really noticed the usage of the word "clip" until now :) Feb 18 07:55:04 jucato: i hope you can understand why it's bad? :) Feb 18 07:55:13 thinking about it, it's a bit inappropriate. "clip" sort of suggests "a portion of a file" Feb 18 07:55:41 and that's only if you apply it to a multimedia context Feb 18 07:55:42 it implies *short* segment of something Feb 18 07:55:50 yeah Feb 18 07:55:51 there are other meanings of course Feb 18 07:56:03 like if i want to run over the person who picked that word w/ a car Feb 18 07:56:06 i can clip him Feb 18 07:56:10 it'd be a much better use Feb 18 07:56:22 anywya... Feb 18 07:56:22 or that animated thingy in MS Office apps >:) Feb 18 07:56:35 hey, he's a Paperclip! Feb 18 07:56:41 and he has a proper name (Clippy [tm]) Feb 18 07:56:51 hehe :) Feb 18 07:56:53 actually, i have no idea if ms tm'd him Feb 18 07:57:06 "clip" also reminds me of him/it/die! :) Feb 18 07:57:32 interesting, his formal name was "Clippit" Feb 18 07:57:48 I'm sure they have him tm'ed, copyrighted, and probably even patented :) Feb 18 07:58:11 they are/have prior art on creating the first ever and most annoying "helper" thingy :) Feb 18 07:58:31 but as you said, "anywya"... Feb 18 07:59:23 yeah, i decided to leave that typo alone Feb 18 07:59:47 * timeless wonders why the applet title has a space at its end Feb 18 08:00:43 jucato: are you using en-US or en-GB? Feb 18 08:00:53 en-US Feb 18 08:01:12 if you don't mind losing the Nokia English (en-FI), you can enable diablo extras-devel Feb 18 08:01:20 and find the package(s) i'm creating Feb 18 08:03:04 ok, i think i've locally fixed clip Feb 18 08:03:09 i can't believe i missed the menu item Feb 18 08:03:17 * Stskeeps reaches out after the coffee machine Feb 18 08:03:19 hm.. not sure I'm ready to mess with locale stuff (specially since I don't know where/how they're set properly) Feb 18 08:03:30 what's.. "coffee"?? Feb 18 08:03:41 I do have extras-devel though Feb 18 08:03:43 jucato: what it'll do is destroy your Nokia English Feb 18 08:03:52 guaranteed Feb 18 08:03:54 oh... Feb 18 08:03:55 :/ Feb 18 08:04:03 but in its place you'll have something which resembles American English Feb 18 08:04:10 which I would hope you'd find to be a vast improvement Feb 18 08:04:39 as long as it's readable English.. will I be able to go back to the Nokia English? :) Feb 18 08:04:57 you can use Nokia Official (British) English Feb 18 08:05:04 (by selecting en-GB) Feb 18 08:05:09 but no, atm there's no undo path Feb 18 08:05:17 jeremiah is supposed to help me fix that Feb 18 08:05:29 hm. ouch. I'll pass for now if you don't mind. Feb 18 08:05:37 no problem Feb 18 08:05:47 it's at 0.1.1 atm, 0.1.2 is almost ready Feb 18 08:05:52 I'm not really in a mental state to deal with another messed up computer :( Feb 18 08:05:53 i hope to get the undo path working for a 0.1.3 Feb 18 08:06:19 * Jucato doesn't even know how long his hard drive will last this week... Feb 18 08:07:24 :( Feb 18 08:07:56 (whoa lorn potter...) Feb 18 08:08:11 ?? Feb 18 08:08:29 heeh sorry. it's like seeing a movie star for the first time :) Feb 18 08:08:40 I've only seen him through blogs... and smile at his last name :P Feb 18 08:09:07 http://www.linuxjournal.com/user/801586 ? Feb 18 08:09:57 http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://media.linkedin.com/mpr/mpr/shrink_80_80/p/2/000/009/3f3/0312e58.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.linkedin.com/in/lornpotter&usg=__6qnoOGvt9xNBpwWdUxujNP9sH9k=&h=80&w=80&sz=3&hl=en&start=3&sig2=IkydzYckeGkH01RN1Iz5Mg&um=1&tbnid=ulYoTyXo3cBrMM:&tbnh=74&tbnw=74&ei=P8KbSbvPDIWe-gbVuu3-CA&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dlorn%2Bpotter%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26rlz%3D1C1GGLS_enFI291FI307%26sa%3DN Feb 18 08:09:59 ? Feb 18 08:10:10 more like http://labs.trolltech.com/blogs/author/ljp/ Feb 18 08:10:40 not being an LJ subscriber, I couldn't confirm the frist link :) Feb 18 08:10:53 but looks like it :) Feb 18 08:11:12 * Jucato gets back to damn big Oh's Feb 18 08:14:41 yeah, the first link didn't work for me Feb 18 08:15:11 google needs to have an icon for 'login required' Feb 18 08:15:29 or [x] search the open web Feb 18 08:15:46 or a flag on "paid sites" Feb 18 08:15:49 hehe but the Track tab in that page lists 2 articles from him. given that there is probably only one "Lorn Potter" that does anything related to Qt.. I'd say it's probably him :) Feb 18 08:28:30 * timeless ponders Feb 18 08:30:01 hm, 770 charger is just the usual ac-4 series? Feb 18 08:32:18 sounds right Feb 18 08:32:25 it's compatible w/ the n800/n810 Feb 18 08:32:28 and the e61i Feb 18 08:32:37 it's nokia charger mach2 Feb 18 08:35:35 good, don't need to go out and buy a new one then Feb 18 09:09:27 qgil1: ping Feb 18 09:11:21 * Gnu[OFF] is away: Gone away for now Feb 18 09:13:31 * gnuton is back. Feb 18 09:14:01 Stskeeps: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mer-committers/m-r/libhildon-2.1.24/revision/7 <- you should do it the other way around (libhildon1 as transitional, libhildon-1-0 as real) Feb 18 09:23:31 * Gnu[OFF] is away: Gone away for now Feb 18 09:24:11 * gnuton is back. Feb 18 09:24:50 are "rootstraps" packaged as debian packages? or should I donwload them manually? Feb 18 09:35:37 mmc: rootstraps are tar.gz packages Feb 18 09:39:56 hello world) Feb 18 09:42:13 hmm, the download manager is somewhat annoying, while bluetooth transfers can be saved, then opened, web downloads has to be saved or opened, it cant do both... Feb 18 09:56:07 stupid netsplits Feb 18 09:56:12 wazd: aww Feb 18 09:56:24 and an impressive one at that Feb 18 09:56:38 splitnode ftw! Feb 18 09:57:28 world is back!) Feb 18 09:57:46 for now... Feb 18 09:58:00 Well, I was here) Feb 18 09:58:15 I'm not "trans-atlantic" I suppose) Feb 18 09:58:42 err, whats with the end line )? Feb 18 09:59:13 probably a new programming language?) Feb 18 09:59:31 hm Feb 18 09:59:44 ?) Feb 18 10:01:32 moo all Feb 18 10:02:39 RST38h:hola) Feb 18 10:05:30 moo, wazd Feb 18 10:05:56 suihkulokki: better debian pkg naming or? Feb 18 10:13:47 Jucato: or it could be a lisp variant... Feb 18 10:14:00 smilies. :P Feb 18 10:14:05 oooh right :) Feb 18 10:14:08 hello) Feb 18 10:14:14 ugh Feb 18 10:14:34 those : are important for my analog parser... Feb 18 10:14:45 no, just cultural differences Feb 18 10:14:56 Stskeeps: check it out, I've made an illustration for the post http://i020.radikal.ru/0902/19/69b4c2d148f7.jpg :) Feb 18 10:15:16 whats with the lighter? Feb 18 10:15:54 t_s_o: it will have Mer to :) Feb 18 10:16:08 the only odd thing there is the beagleboard.. it's not blue Feb 18 10:16:14 heh, careful, your playing with fire ;) Feb 18 10:16:30 wazd: hah:) Feb 18 10:16:30 i think the early gens where red Feb 18 10:16:40 Jucato: is it blue? O_o Feb 18 10:16:47 i would focus more on touch devices Feb 18 10:16:50 all images I've found are red Feb 18 10:17:03 no scrap that, i misunderstood Feb 18 10:17:08 well the ps3 ain't blue either. but. meh :) Feb 18 10:17:16 Jucato: blu-ray? ;) Feb 18 10:17:42 hahah :) Feb 18 10:17:46 Well, red is recognizagle) Feb 18 10:17:53 recognizable* Feb 18 10:18:03 wait.. is that a tamagochi thingy? O.o Feb 18 10:18:13 Jucato: yep) Feb 18 10:18:18 yep, and thanks, i could not recall what it was called... Feb 18 10:18:20 awesome!!) Feb 18 10:18:29 * Jucato will buy one and install mer) Feb 18 10:18:35 mockups Feb 18 10:18:59 or will there be one for sale that comes with mer preinstalled? :D Feb 18 10:19:30 X-Fade: ping Feb 18 10:19:42 Jaffa: pong. Feb 18 10:20:05 X-Fade: the two most recent articles in /community/council/ aren't showing up on planet Feb 18 10:24:53 Jaffa: I'll check it out. Feb 18 10:25:52 X-Fade: ta Feb 18 10:37:57 morning all Feb 18 10:54:32 lo lardman Feb 18 11:13:11 hey Jaffa Feb 18 11:23:08 Heh, sure let the guy living in NL pick a venue for the next summit. Thanks ;) Feb 18 11:24:16 X-Fade: :p Feb 18 11:24:42 X-Fade: have you been on holiday? or elsewhere? Feb 18 11:24:56 lardman: Yeah, was in Austria. Skiing. Feb 18 11:25:19 cool, well this is your penance then ;) Feb 18 11:25:41 x-fade: so... i've pushed a new zip Feb 18 11:25:45 w/ a bunch of changes Feb 18 11:25:46 friend of mine just came back from somewhere skiish with a cracked spine Feb 18 11:25:59 one warning, it bumps the version recs from 0.1.1 to 0.1.2 Feb 18 11:26:07 Yeah, always stick tasks on the one who is not paying attention ;) Feb 18 11:28:23 timeless: Well, if you don't mess anything up, I should not be needed :) Feb 18 11:37:44 herzi: pong Feb 18 11:40:33 hey Feb 18 11:40:40 anyone here using my localization? Feb 18 11:40:45 if you tap the battery item Feb 18 11:40:51 (and you aren't charging!) Feb 18 11:41:02 should there be a : at the end of the first line? :) Feb 18 11:41:06 mm, it is nice being at a university with a forum nokia contact, now i can try n810 and get HW support going :) Feb 18 11:41:32 * timeless kicks forum nokia Feb 18 11:41:56 it doesn't know to which side of the pond it belongs! Feb 18 11:42:06 and it can't spell 'Fund', or was it 'fund', it really wasn't sure Feb 18 11:42:22 qgil1: nothing personal, it was nice to be able to give an n810 to someone Feb 18 11:42:29 (who's now helping me localize) Feb 18 11:42:34 but gah Feb 18 11:42:45 I can install and test it :) Feb 18 11:43:03 i', off to lunch/breakfast Feb 18 11:43:07 i'll be back from there Feb 18 11:48:00 eh, ok, so people complain about Nokia and ogg.. Feb 18 11:48:10 why is the ogg files on the MMC in navicore then? :P Feb 18 11:48:12 timeless: I think it should be Feb 18 11:49:27 k Feb 18 11:51:09 http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/18/i-mates-810f-and-centurion-handled-with-wild-abandon/ <- Wow! Sexy rugged phone! Nowai Feb 18 11:52:19 I thought "brutal unattractive bricl look" is an ISO standart :) Feb 18 11:52:21 14degs of cold? Feb 18 11:52:32 "14 degrees of cold" sounds meek Feb 18 11:52:35 yeah.. Feb 18 11:52:39 thats like my last night out Feb 18 11:52:44 5800 worked fine Feb 18 11:52:46 RST38h: maybe 14F :) Feb 18 11:52:50 wazd: This looks like an e61 ripoff Feb 18 11:53:12 rebranded htc stuff like usually from imate? Feb 18 11:53:28 imates had nice booths at mwc traditionally tho Feb 18 11:53:41 RST38h: Don't think that it will stand 140C :D Feb 18 11:53:51 RST38h: User won't stand it xD Feb 18 11:54:54 14oF ~= -10oC Feb 18 11:55:06 RST38h: hm Feb 18 11:55:38 RST38h: And 87oF is?) Feb 18 11:55:43 who knows Feb 18 11:55:49 wazd: did you blog yet btw? Feb 18 11:56:04 Stskeeps: nope, working on mockups right now) Feb 18 11:56:08 * RST38h just remembers that the guy used his asshole temperature for 100o Feb 18 11:56:14 wazd: alright Feb 18 11:57:36 http://labs.ideo.com/2009/02/11/hacked-rear-projection-tv-into-multitouch-display <- i so want to run Mer on this. Feb 18 12:01:19 'lo andrewfblack, kozak Feb 18 12:01:44 hi Feb 18 12:02:14 kozak: beagleboard port runs almost directly on pandora developer board too :) Feb 18 12:02:26 qgil1: I have issues with logging in on maemo.org to submit an application Feb 18 12:02:46 cool Feb 18 12:03:19 Stskeeps: Would like to know more on the beagle board port.... Feb 18 12:04:10 herzi: the good news is that I'm not responsible of that :) X-Fade perhaps Feb 18 12:05:56 herzi: What is the problem? Feb 18 12:06:28 X-Fade: after I entered my login data, I trigger an http-500 error Feb 18 12:06:50 herzi: Hmm that should not happen. Feb 18 12:08:19 herzi: Where do you try to login? https://maemo.org/ ? Feb 18 12:09:22 yes Feb 18 12:09:28 clicked on login on the top Feb 18 12:11:09 and after entering my data i get this: Feb 18 12:11:21 Server Error Feb 18 12:11:21 Object does not exist Feb 18 12:11:21 Error 500 Feb 18 12:11:21 maemo.org Feb 18 12:11:21 Wed, 18 Feb 2009 14:10:55 +0200 Feb 18 12:11:22 Apache/2.2.3 (Debian) PHP/5.2.0-8+etch13 mod_ssl/2.2.3 OpenSSL/0.9.8c Midgard/8.09.3 Feb 18 12:11:28 herzi: Can you visit http://maemo.org/midcom-logout- and then login? Feb 18 12:11:43 that gives the same error Feb 18 12:12:39 (when trying to visit the logout page, I see the same error) Feb 18 12:12:39 herzi: And now? Feb 18 12:12:45 sill Feb 18 12:12:48 still Feb 18 12:13:16 That was almost to fast to test. Are you sure there is no cache playing up? Feb 18 12:13:27 yes Feb 18 12:13:51 I press ctrl-shift-r in the browser, thus skipping its caches... Feb 18 12:14:03 and the site ony works for my after I delete a cookie Feb 18 12:14:47 the "midcom_services_auth_backend_simple-maemoorg" from "maemo.org" Feb 18 12:16:34 herzi: Ok, I see the same problem in our user manager for your account. Feb 18 12:16:45 ah Feb 18 12:16:57 You are member of some deleted groups. Feb 18 12:17:37 ah Feb 18 12:17:57 herzi: Needs some fixing, I'll ping you when we're done.. Feb 18 12:18:18 cool, how long will it take? 1hour, 1day, 1 week? Feb 18 12:18:31 herzi: Should be fixed today ;) Feb 18 12:18:50 terrific Feb 18 12:18:58 Need to fix it globally as you're probably not the only one. Feb 18 12:18:59 I'll get you a beer if we ever meet :-) Feb 18 12:22:49 herzi: Thanks for reporting it. Feb 18 12:25:41 ah, thoughtfix wants capacitive touchscreen Feb 18 12:25:47 lame Feb 18 12:26:15 Why not make just more sensitive resistive Feb 18 12:32:35 teehee: http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/17/nokias-internet-tablet-hacked-into-secondary-pc-monitor/ Feb 18 12:32:38 wazd: A lot of people have heard that mighty iPhone has got a capacitive touchscreen but few understand what it entails Feb 18 12:32:56 wazd: Apple is very good at hiding technology shortcomings ;) Feb 18 12:33:10 aquatix: i am personally waiting for /mysterious-maemo-platform-spreads-across-globe Feb 18 12:33:13 :P Feb 18 12:35:55 herzi: Can you try to log in now? Feb 18 12:36:38 Texas Instruments ALO does an Android "phone": http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/18/texas-instruments-and-wind-river-do-up-android-right/ Feb 18 12:38:00 isn't that a slightly more expensive pandora? :P Feb 18 12:38:05 Stskeeps: :) Feb 18 12:38:42 Sts: It is bigger! Feb 18 12:39:05 for that price I would get that thing sony makes and just run full linux on it Feb 18 12:40:01 RST38h: yes, but .. it is actually in production and being sold Feb 18 12:40:09 andrew: That would make you a traitor to the OMAP3 cult Feb 18 12:40:33 true but I think I might even have a little more money in my pocket Feb 18 12:41:28 * andrewfblack needs to figure out how to do right click on Mer:LXDE Feb 18 12:41:55 andrewfblack: bt mouse? Feb 18 12:42:20 andrewfblack: libgtkstylus Feb 18 12:42:36 ah, I'm kinda sick of that "black glossy brick" design( Feb 18 12:45:00 X-Fade: works with many many many php warnings Feb 18 12:45:12 Notice: Undefined property: midcom_core_group_midgard::$guid in /mnt/netapp/pear/midcom/lib/midcom/core/group/midgard.php on line 231 Feb 18 12:45:18 ^^ this one gets repeated all over Feb 18 12:46:03 Ok, we'll investigate that one ;) Feb 18 12:50:28 herzi: Can you try it again? :) Feb 18 12:51:01 I still see these notices Feb 18 12:52:13 herzi: Exact same or did something change? Feb 18 12:52:35 ten times this: Notice: Undefined property: midcom_core_group_midgard::$guid in /mnt/netapp/pear/midcom/lib/midcom/core/group/midgard.php on line 231 Feb 18 12:53:03 or will I have to log-out/re-login? Feb 18 12:53:11 herzi: Try that. Feb 18 12:53:26 Or try another https url to be sure that there is no cache.. Feb 18 12:53:57 oh yeah, seems to be fixed Feb 18 12:54:08 Great ;) Feb 18 12:55:04 herzi: FWIW: http://trac.midgard-project.org/ticket/839 Feb 18 12:55:56 great Feb 18 13:04:14 Stskeeps: bout the tap on the app's icon in quickswitcher row Feb 18 13:04:22 mm? Feb 18 13:04:28 Stskeeps: I think it's pretty native way to minimize app Feb 18 13:04:30 can the touchpad differentiate between a stylus and a finger? Feb 18 13:04:34 wazd: true Feb 18 13:04:41 touchscreen Feb 18 13:05:04 lbt: kind of Feb 18 13:05:10 lbt: i think they tried initially Feb 18 13:05:31 it seems fraught Feb 18 13:05:36 but I wondered :) Feb 18 13:05:55 gestures donchaknow Feb 18 13:06:06 i guess it would technically be possible Feb 18 13:06:15 depends on the hardware Feb 18 13:06:36 lbt: The touchscreen gives out an array of points in a certain time when pressing with your finger. Feb 18 13:06:44 the only problem right now is "home" button :) Where to place it Feb 18 13:06:56 X-Fade: yes - that's what I wondered Feb 18 13:07:07 so 'spread' Feb 18 13:07:16 lbt: when max-x - min-x and max-y - min-y is a certain value, it is not a stylus anymore ;) Feb 18 13:07:31 where's that calc? Feb 18 13:07:41 and how might it pass through X11 Feb 18 13:07:51 * lbt wonders Feb 18 13:08:01 I have no idea. I know that gtk has presure info available though.. Feb 18 13:08:11 mmm Feb 18 13:08:22 is pressure==spread? Feb 18 13:08:30 or independent? Feb 18 13:09:01 technically I'd expect the stylus to exert more pressure Feb 18 13:09:18 since it has a tiny tip Feb 18 13:09:34 this could I guess be done using strain calcs Feb 18 13:09:41 I think it is independent, but not sure. There was some drawing app which used pressure. Feb 18 13:10:02 MyPaint? Feb 18 13:10:06 lbt: But open the sketch app and press 2 fingers on the screen at the same time. Feb 18 13:10:06 I'll leave some comments in the code for now... Feb 18 13:10:18 And see a dot exactly in the middle ;) Feb 18 13:10:31 yes - but I wonder if pressure comes from measuring the matrix spread Feb 18 13:10:47 Could be. Feb 18 13:11:16 it does Feb 18 13:11:25 2 styluses and it doesn't work Feb 18 13:11:42 * timelE61i blinks Feb 18 13:11:43 ie the screen gives a nasty lcd blur when you push Feb 18 13:11:54 but the pressure reading (ie middle point) Feb 18 13:11:58 doesn't change Feb 18 13:12:08 * lbt won't press too hard next time Feb 18 13:12:28 interesting.... Feb 18 13:12:48 anyhow, gotta go - back l8r - cheers Feb 18 13:12:55 does anyone know if there's a rootstrap for os2008he? Feb 18 13:13:28 lbt: https://wiki.maemo.org/Using_touch_screen_pressure_data Feb 18 13:14:05 ooh - damn.... now I've seen it I'll have to use it.... Feb 18 13:14:34 Yeah, with code and all ;) Feb 18 13:14:40 * lbt wonders if Qt can add a flag to mouseEvent.... Feb 18 13:15:03 did you see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPQ1VlyMPYU Feb 18 13:15:17 (in high quality too!) Feb 18 13:16:46 lbt, looks good Feb 18 13:17:09 and to use it it's as simple as gw->connect(desc, Gesture("r l r "), this, SLOT(desc_clicked())); Feb 18 13:17:29 which I think is rather easy Feb 18 13:17:43 of course the gui is too fiddly but that's a scale thing now... Feb 18 13:17:51 anyhow, now I'm late.... Feb 18 13:23:27 hey, could someone tell me where i could get "gettext" for diablo? I have it in mer... (my network is very flaky) Feb 18 13:24:05 timelE61i, it's in the diablo sdk repo Feb 18 13:24:11 <_berto_> timelE61i: I think it's in the doctools devkit Feb 18 13:24:47 <_berto_> no, it's not Feb 18 13:24:54 <_berto_> it's in the repo Feb 18 13:28:09 timelE61i: intltool? Feb 18 13:28:16 oh, diablo Feb 18 13:28:19 sdk = break my device? Feb 18 13:28:38 Not if you enable it, apt-get install gettext and disable the repo Feb 18 13:28:40 All i want is msgunfmt btw Feb 18 13:28:58 That's all I needed it for when I removed nokia's battery preaching message ;) Feb 18 13:29:29 Qwerty: my locale fixes that? Feb 18 13:29:53 timelE61i, this was long time before your locales and I moved on to use advanced-power since :) Feb 18 13:32:42 http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/02/18/blouse_rumpus/ Feb 18 13:32:43 Hehe Feb 18 13:35:05 Qwerty/gan/x-fade: would you cry if i changed ham's "Disabled" to "Do not use"? Feb 18 13:35:17 (in the catalog editor) Feb 18 13:35:53 It doesn't bother me personally, it still sounds like it makes sense to me :) Feb 18 13:37:03 really want to have hw accel mpeg4 encoding on next tablet ... Feb 18 13:37:19 that would clinch a lot of sales mang Feb 18 13:38:10 *en*coding? Feb 18 13:38:20 yes from hires cam Feb 18 13:38:42 you want to bog down system during a video call? Feb 18 13:39:11 pshaw Feb 18 13:40:22 Digital cameras do hw assisted mpeg4 encoding Feb 18 13:40:30 So why not the tablet Feb 18 13:41:17 i imagine so many uses for ip video calls Feb 18 13:41:24 some guy down at the production line calling his manager Feb 18 13:41:31 no look, *this* part is broken! Feb 18 13:41:52 jaffa? Feb 18 13:41:57 Any opinion? Feb 18 13:42:20 i cant offer one timeless Feb 18 13:42:42 * timelE61i nods Feb 18 13:45:29 * timelE61i grumbles Feb 18 13:45:33 * timelE61i kicks xterm Feb 18 13:47:34 timelE61i: "Disabled" vs "Do not use"? Feb 18 13:47:45 yes Feb 18 13:47:58 Or suggest something else Feb 18 13:47:59 timelE61i: "Do not use" sounds like it could be confusing if the user didn't enable it Feb 18 13:48:23 This is only for the checkbox Feb 18 13:48:39 Do not use: [x] Feb 18 13:48:53 Indeed, but I can see it being read as "Should *I* not use it, or is this the tablet?" IYSWIM Feb 18 13:49:05 Ah Feb 18 13:49:11 * Jaffa started liking "Do not use", but now's at "Disabled" being better Feb 18 13:49:25 Disable - no d? Feb 18 13:49:33 Oooh, tricky. Feb 18 13:50:00 There must be a style guide for that? (I'm not willing to comment given the slapping I got for suggesting "*The* device" over "Device". Feb 18 13:50:09 * timelE61i wonders about ken770 in garage Feb 18 13:50:23 who slapped over that? Feb 18 13:50:31 Note that "device" is dead Feb 18 13:50:38 Only tablet lives :) Feb 18 13:50:42 Andre was quoting the internal ticket Feb 18 13:50:49 Oh Feb 18 13:50:50 yupp Feb 18 13:50:54 Ignore the internals Feb 18 13:51:02 There's a reason i'm here Feb 18 13:51:20 timelE61i: on that restart bug, #4031 Feb 18 13:51:31 Andre: look for colour selector (bugs changed this week) :) Feb 18 13:51:38 ? Feb 18 13:51:39 (internal) Feb 18 13:51:41 ah Feb 18 13:52:45 * timelE61i rotfl Feb 18 13:52:55 have they read their help files? Feb 18 13:53:11 How to do something is the nokia help style Feb 18 13:53:22 You open a widget; ask for help Feb 18 13:53:36 It says "to get where you are, do this: ...!" Feb 18 13:54:32 timelE61i: good grief Feb 18 14:04:11 * GeneralAntilles is baffled by people on itT. Feb 18 14:04:43 hello people, i would like to bring attention to google summer of code to maemo devs Feb 18 14:05:29 i have participated in other projects in previous years, but since i am a new owner of a nokia n810, i would love to work for maemo for this summer of code, if possible Feb 18 14:05:56 GeneralAntilles: which thread now? Feb 18 14:06:31 Jaffa, Tegra thread Feb 18 14:06:41 http://maemo.org/community/council/community_highlights_for_december_2008-part_i-january_2009-part_ii/ Feb 18 14:06:48 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=265306&postcount=10 Feb 18 14:06:53 * GeneralAntilles really needs a new machine. Feb 18 14:07:33 faster? Feb 18 14:07:52 My clipboard is too slow to keep up with my shortcuts. :( Feb 18 14:08:03 lol Feb 18 14:08:08 let me guess, kde Feb 18 14:08:25 lol Feb 18 14:08:35 pupnik_, OS X. Feb 18 14:08:42 hrm Feb 18 14:12:02 geoaxis: see http://wiki.maemo.org/GSoC_2009/ Feb 18 14:15:18 That's a rather sexy devkit: http://www.engadget.com/photos/texas-instruments-and-wind-river-do-up-android-right/ Feb 18 14:15:44 it's the pandora Feb 18 14:16:55 a huge devboard is right Feb 18 14:17:48 Actually, the soft keys kinda remind me of a giant distorted Moto Q. Feb 18 14:20:34 it looks like 800x480 screen Feb 18 14:21:02 WVGA Feb 18 14:30:01 Pentagon boffinry chiefs have announced that they would like some self-aware computer systems capable of "meta-reasoning" and "introspection". The plan is to place these machine intelligences in command of heavily armed, well-nigh invulnerable robotic tanks Feb 18 14:30:21 hehe Feb 18 14:30:33 What can go wrong? =) Feb 18 14:30:45 dunno, what can go wrong with a human in charge Feb 18 14:31:10 glass: Human is easier to dispose of. Feb 18 14:31:37 not necessarely Feb 18 14:31:43 like in the killdozer case? Feb 18 14:31:56 bombing a tank that has nobody in it is not a big deal Feb 18 14:32:15 bombing a tank that has a grunt, even if slightly mad, is a big deal Feb 18 14:32:34 suih: Hey, the killdozer guys was SMART Feb 18 14:32:41 Most humans are not like him Feb 18 14:32:54 yeah most humans who want to die don't bother with building a tank Feb 18 14:33:18 glass: notice that wanting to die wasn't at the top of his todo list Feb 18 14:33:28 glass: that is a sure sign of a smart person Feb 18 14:34:24 yeah if you're going to go might just as well do something with it Feb 18 14:34:25 but Feb 18 14:34:35 thats not the way a depressed person does things Feb 18 14:35:00 glass: maybe he wasn't depressed, OR he was smart enough to deal with his depression constructively Feb 18 14:35:16 well, if it was constructive or not is up to discussion :D Feb 18 14:35:26 burned with hate perhaps Feb 18 14:35:43 anyways, he didn't want to be a normo Feb 18 14:35:50 glass: Surely he got even, goal reached, that is constructive Feb 18 14:37:22 hmm, "looks like 3G tablet is just rumours at this point" - very strange Feb 18 14:37:33 who said that? Feb 18 14:37:34 lardman: depends on who is writing this Feb 18 14:37:38 yeah Feb 18 14:37:46 just sent to maemo-devel list Feb 18 14:37:54 you gotta remember, lots and lots and lots of idiots want to be mobile journalists Feb 18 14:38:00 the "3G model?" thread Feb 18 14:38:02 and experts Feb 18 14:38:30 if you ask nokia as a pr person, thats probably what you'd get as answer, that it's just rumours.. i guess Feb 18 14:38:36 glass <-- apparently understood that "idiots" and "journalists" are the same thing =) Feb 18 14:38:37 i should head home Feb 18 14:38:39 How are there so many people who don't know anything about the next tablet. . . . Feb 18 14:38:46 RST38h: pretty much so :D Feb 18 14:39:03 glass, the armchair mobile analysts make me crazy. Feb 18 14:39:55 GeneralAntilles: well, if they werent idiots, they wouldn't be armchair analysts Feb 18 14:40:03 Hehe Feb 18 14:40:16 I hope you are not saying that we can't analyze available data? Feb 18 14:40:18 and if the idiot journos knew something, they wouldn't be journalists Feb 18 14:40:35 (pay reasons) Feb 18 14:40:51 I don't like [ ] Disabled. I think [ ] Usage challenged is far more PC Feb 18 14:41:17 RST38h, I'm saying that people who don't have a clue should STFU. ;) Feb 18 14:42:20 General: But not having a clue opens such wide analytic opportunities! =) Feb 18 14:44:27 GeneralAntilles: +1 Feb 18 14:44:47 Now I'm sick of three words: Crysis, Social network and Competitor :) Feb 18 14:45:01 what's wrong with crysis? Feb 18 14:45:07 well Crysis is a new word Feb 18 14:45:16 or a game :) Feb 18 14:45:22 wazd:Why no iPhone in the list? Feb 18 14:45:27 you can't be sick of it - it's only 5 irc lines old Feb 18 14:45:36 wazd: s/cyrsis/crisis Feb 18 14:45:38 lbt: Crisis. Feb 18 14:45:43 ah Feb 18 14:45:53 * RST38h usually spells it as Crazies, so he can't complain Feb 18 14:45:55 what crisis? Feb 18 14:46:07 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crysis :) Feb 18 14:46:16 oh, mai ingleesh iz bed :( Feb 18 14:46:32 no :) easy mistake to make Feb 18 14:47:23 but whatever, I'm sick of crisis :) Feb 18 14:47:33 It's fricking everywhere) Feb 18 14:47:52 wazd: www.lurkmore.ru and never come back =) Feb 18 14:47:55 turn the TV off and it goes away Feb 18 14:48:46 lbt: I don't watch the tv but it still follows me :( Feb 18 14:50:02 wazd: do what I did Feb 18 14:50:12 lose your job and stay at home.... Feb 18 14:50:15 tada Feb 18 14:50:20 no more crisis ;) Feb 18 14:50:25 I'm gonna write my very own post without that words :) Feb 18 14:50:39 lbt: already did it :( Feb 18 14:50:39 hi all. I have a vague memory of problems with local network connections when not on-line, anyone with better memory? Maybe it is this bug: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1767 Feb 18 14:50:56 * GeneralAntilles is just glad he can hide from stupid article discussions on LinuxDevices. Feb 18 14:52:45 woo, me haz a 770 now Feb 18 14:52:53 it came? :) Feb 18 14:52:54 those things are amazingily light really Feb 18 14:53:06 Stskeeps: Ah, so you now have them all? :) Feb 18 14:53:15 gotta catch'em all! Feb 18 14:53:25 except for N9x0 of course Feb 18 14:53:27 X-Fade: hehe, 770, n800 at home and a n810 at work (borrowed from forum nokia contact :P) Feb 18 14:53:40 i will do a photo of mer on all of them at some point :P Feb 18 14:55:14 but i immediately get hit by the 802.11n network bug, heh Feb 18 14:55:47 I still like the 770's design Feb 18 14:56:01 i was amazed how lighter it is than n800 and n810 :P Feb 18 14:56:09 Stskeeps: And I don't think that wifi works on 770 for Mer? Feb 18 14:56:38 X-Fade: it does, but i need to debug some things Feb 18 14:56:49 and i didn't get wifi working in Maemo yet either :P Feb 18 14:56:52 Stskeeps: is it lighter or just less dense? Feb 18 14:57:09 lardman: No it is a bit lighter. Feb 18 14:57:10 lardman: i am not sure, but my first impression was that it was lighter Feb 18 14:57:18 ah fair enough Feb 18 14:57:32 for the perl programmers among you: http://glyphic.s3.amazonaws.com/ozone/mark/periodic/Periodic%20Table%20of%20the%20Operators%20A4%20300dpi.jpg Feb 18 14:58:40 fabulous isn't it Feb 18 14:59:08 I just can't see C/C++ coders creating that Feb 18 14:59:30 PHP people maybe........using crayons.... Feb 18 15:00:09 * RST38h prints the table Feb 18 15:12:43 lo moontiger Feb 18 15:12:52 Stskeeps, yo!! :) Feb 18 15:21:14 m00f Feb 18 15:21:32 moo Feb 18 15:22:04 weather turned coolish again here...I am not amused Feb 18 15:22:20 i'm charging the new 770 Feb 18 15:22:29 wow! fast delivery Feb 18 15:22:47 yeah Feb 18 15:22:53 so what do you think about the formfactor? Feb 18 15:22:58 interesting Feb 18 15:23:02 it is lighter than my n800 Feb 18 15:23:10 i think it might be purse-able for the gf Feb 18 15:23:50 she must carry a small purse :) my wife's definition of purse is something he could throw her old Toshiba 15.4" laptop in O_o Feb 18 15:24:19 hehe Feb 18 15:24:55 johnx: those luggable trunks? :) Feb 18 15:25:00 we are adding nokia changes to HAL, can you verify they don't break zaurus when it is built? Feb 18 15:25:19 sure, but zaurus doesn't do much specific stuff with HAL Feb 18 15:25:51 still, but if it segfaults its not good ;) Feb 18 15:29:43 ha, my memory is not so bad. Posted nearly 2yrs ago "Localhost unavailable when wi-fi offline or not connected " (http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail//maemo-developers/2007-May/045787.html). Anyone know if this is just a browser problem and/or what the current situation is? Feb 18 15:29:50 Stskeeps: that will enable mer to have battery stuff working? Feb 18 15:30:08 matmo: i think timeless discussed it the other day Feb 18 15:30:15 here? Feb 18 15:30:18 Corsac: no, but it will help on Fn and some other things, like, sensors Feb 18 15:30:20 matmo: yeah Feb 18 15:30:27 ok Feb 18 15:30:35 ok, I will check logs, thanks Feb 18 15:31:08 Corsac: battery stuff is in the brewery :P Feb 18 15:32:21 Did daperl get around to publishing/giving hints about his current work btw? Feb 18 15:32:39 matmo: Browser has some specific hacks Feb 18 15:32:44 i will prod him next time he's here Feb 18 15:32:53 it's intentional i don't develop it myself so Feb 18 15:34:02 Jaffa: ok, thanks Feb 18 15:34:12 matmo: but its an icd bug Feb 18 15:34:50 Jaffa: oh, so any locally based sockets based client/server will have same problem? Feb 18 15:35:05 if the app cares about ICD Feb 18 15:35:07 matmo: if the client uses libconic/icd, yes. Feb 18 15:35:29 Jaffa, I'd have thought it was an browser problem because the app is requesting a connection? Feb 18 15:35:52 ok, I've done the post Feb 18 15:35:59 waiting for draft to save Feb 18 15:36:02 woo Feb 18 15:36:16 qwerty12_mer: The browser says to libconic, "I want to talk to localhost" - it's an icd problem in that it doesn't realise that hostname is the tablet itself. Feb 18 15:36:46 cause that stupid wordpress asses cant fix my publishing layout Feb 18 15:37:05 I'm only interested in a client making a connection using "localhost" or "127.0.0.1" if needed. I'm not familiar with libconic. Will using 127.0.0.1 avoid the problem? Feb 18 15:37:11 qwerty12_mer: The browser-specific hack does, indeed, not talk to libconic if hostname == localhost, but what if /etc/hposts has some other string which resolves to 127.0.0.1 Feb 18 15:37:30 matmo: I can't remember. timeless would know - and there's a bug in bugzilla which goes into more detail Feb 18 15:38:16 Jaffa, ah :), I'd have thought that the browser would have avoided libconic if it was localhost :) Feb 18 15:38:17 Jaffa: is that the bug I link to above at 14.40 ? Feb 18 15:38:41 http://tabletui.wordpress.com/2009/02/18/mer-ui-scalability/ Feb 18 15:39:19 matmo: yup, that is' Feb 18 15:39:35 Still no new Council posts on pmo. . . . Feb 18 15:39:49 qwerty12_mer: it does, but it's a workaround :) Feb 18 15:39:57 * GeneralAntilles is now tired of looking at more of ThoughtFix's iPhone- and netbook-envy silliness. Feb 18 15:40:59 Jaffa, ah, I evidently don't know what I am talking about so I shall step back : Feb 18 15:41:17 Jaffa: then from reading that it is not considered a bug. I need to know if I create a local server that the user is not going to get prompted to go on line. Feb 18 15:41:31 wazd: nice - although it's a bit confusing in the first few shots that you can see *some* of the Tasks content with it unselected. Perhaps all of them should be like an accordion? Feb 18 15:41:39 GeneralAntilles, you're right: the tegra craziness is quite odd Feb 18 15:42:18 wazd: home screen tasks bar, vertical, where does home screen go? Feb 18 15:42:22 er, horiz Feb 18 15:42:23 I bet a lot of it simply has to do with brand recognition. Feb 18 15:42:40 GPUs are popular with the young people, calculators are not. ;) Feb 18 15:43:06 Stskeeps: it's under Mer menu, it's not shown without Mer menu Feb 18 15:43:17 Without any NIT news frm Nokia, people will follow any device that looks even remotely like a NIT Feb 18 15:43:17 wazd: k Feb 18 15:43:27 So, I do not see what you find odd Feb 18 15:43:45 GeneralAntilles, in fact I think I said something similar, :) but the lack of love for the snapdragon is strange, in comparison Feb 18 15:43:48 GeneralAntilles, well... I do find cheating popular with young people.. Feb 18 15:44:15 Qualcomm doesn't give enough details on anything for it to be interesting. ;) Feb 18 15:44:59 thought they had a demo or something...but basically it's an A8 running close to 1GHz Feb 18 15:45:20 pretty easy to guess how it will perform (in CPU bound tasks) compared to an OMAP3 Feb 18 15:45:26 I'm interested to see what sort of battery life they get out of that. Feb 18 15:45:38 good compared to the atom probably :) Feb 18 15:45:43 it's a netbook part IIRC Feb 18 15:45:56 will be interesting to see if they can really find a market Feb 18 15:45:57 Didn't they have it in a cellular device? Feb 18 15:45:59 General: I have got datasheet on iMX.31 Feb 18 15:46:05 general: It is pretty good Feb 18 15:50:04 How is Freescale's Linux support, anyway? Feb 18 15:50:50 they keep popping up on linuxdevices.com RSS feed, but I've never used anything with a freescale let alone a freescale part running linux Feb 18 15:51:03 Yeah Feb 18 15:51:13 Does anybody actually use them? Feb 18 15:51:40 pandora was going to. probably some winmo phones are using freescale parts. probably some nas boxes and routers too Feb 18 15:51:41 General: non existant Feb 18 15:52:10 I've been really impressed with TI's Linux support. Feb 18 15:52:11 General: Depends on the chip though, because Freescale is mainly a reseller Feb 18 15:53:09 the most notable thing about TI's linux support is how much it's improved in such a short time Feb 18 15:53:17 also how much they seem to 'get it' Feb 18 15:54:08 Actually, TI's good support is part of why the Tegra insanity bothers me so much. ;) Feb 18 15:54:25 http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/18/wimax-equipped-samsung-swd-m100d-mid-spotted-at-mwc/ too bad it runs winmo... Feb 18 15:55:10 GeneralAntilles, luckily the semi-informed masses don't really work into the equation at all Feb 18 15:55:25 Hehe, true. Feb 18 15:55:25 General: There is no Tegra insanity Feb 18 15:55:40 General: There is NVidia trying to monetize on its IP in mobile market Feb 18 15:55:56 RST38h, from forum fanboys there is some strange tegra worship. that's what we're talking about Feb 18 15:56:01 ^ Feb 18 15:56:04 general: And there is a bunch of Maemo folks forced to discuss various crap while Maemo is in limbo Feb 18 15:56:24 Corsac: interesting Feb 18 15:56:33 Corsac: too bad for wince indeed Feb 18 15:56:43 johnx: Fanboys are like that. They are also known to flip between awe and hate toward the same subject really quick Feb 18 15:57:33 RST38h, it's on engadget and gizmodo comments too. it's just funny because there aren't/weren't xscale or omap3 or snapdragon fanboys Feb 18 15:57:45 nvidia just generates that kind of buzz I guess Feb 18 15:58:29 it's like if there was this sudden fanboy outbreak excited about a brand of shoe laces Feb 18 15:59:47 johnx: the initial presentation form nvidia was kinda stunning indeed Feb 18 16:00:05 Ha, apparently Burger King wants to be Krystal now. Feb 18 16:00:07 johnx: + you have already got a base of nvidia fanboys from gaming world Feb 18 16:00:27 General: Krysa (rus.) - a rat Feb 18 16:00:46 http://www.krystal.com/ Feb 18 16:00:50 GeneralAntilles, that sounds kind of like a hooker/pornstar name Feb 18 16:01:16 umgh...shouldn't have looked at this url Feb 18 16:01:54 I want some Steak'n'Shake now. . . Feb 18 16:02:41 * hanno had hopes for news on an N810 successor device from MWC. Feb 18 16:02:45 any news? Feb 18 16:02:56 hanno, no. Feb 18 16:03:01 we'll see alpha SDK first Feb 18 16:03:02 Gonna be another month or two at least. Feb 18 16:03:07 * hanno sighs. Feb 18 16:03:37 Alpha SDK is coming shortly and it'll have the new UI, anyway. Feb 18 16:03:52 GeneralAntilles: how shortly?) Feb 18 16:04:07 A befriended journalist who visits MWC wrote me that he thinks Nokia will kill the tablet since it's too geeky, anyway. Feb 18 16:04:24 * hanno sold his N810 months ago in the hopes of an upcoming successor device. Feb 18 16:04:25 hanno: they're using an awful lot of money on it if they are killing it :P Feb 18 16:04:25 muahaha...google 'krystal' and hit the image search (but only if you're not at work) Feb 18 16:04:26 hanno, then he's not paying very good attention. Feb 18 16:04:31 hanno: we already discussed journalists here xD Feb 18 16:04:48 johnx: Krystal Steal?)) Feb 18 16:05:26 wazd: shortly enough Feb 18 16:05:27 hanno, the good news to take away from the delayed announcement is that you'll be waiting less time between announcement and shipping. :) Feb 18 16:05:35 Alpha SDK will show some parts of the new UI. Not all, afaik. there's the beta coming soon after. Feb 18 16:05:45 which afaik has it all. Feb 18 16:06:33 * hanno is having bad withdrawal symptoms. Feb 18 16:06:47 my netbook just doesn't cut it. Feb 18 16:06:54 if i glue this 770 and n800 together i have a very cool nintendo ds.. Feb 18 16:07:18 Stskeeps, you're just short one decent d-pad :) Feb 18 16:07:22 yeah Feb 18 16:07:54 It's unfortunate they went back to the crap stylus with the N810 Feb 18 16:08:12 The N800's stylus is one of the better ones. Feb 18 16:08:52 * aquatix almost never uses styli anyway Feb 18 16:08:58 Yeah, neither do I. Feb 18 16:08:59 But still. Feb 18 16:09:05 one day I'll find a way to get one... Feb 18 16:09:10 * Stskeeps ponders how difficult it would be to set up nfs boot on 770 Feb 18 16:09:33 johnx, I can bring one of my backups to the Summit if you'd like. Feb 18 16:10:05 sure, if you're not using it Feb 18 16:10:13 I've got 4 extras Feb 18 16:10:14 Mek: yeah , thanks Feb 18 16:10:16 I don't lose styluses. ;) Feb 18 16:10:17 * johnx ponders all the devices he'll be lugging Feb 18 16:11:00 Jaffa: thanks for pointing me to timeless discussion. Clear as mud now :-) See ya. Feb 18 16:11:12 hmm, usbnet RDNIS was not yet broken in 770 was it? Feb 18 16:11:18 NDIS, that is Feb 18 16:11:31 No, broken by nokia since 2.6.21 Feb 18 16:12:28 me wants new UI... Feb 18 16:18:21 boy, this thing needs mer.. Feb 18 16:18:48 It sure does :) Feb 18 16:19:00 Was that you who blogged abou the Mer UI Stskeeps? Good post! Feb 18 16:19:33 jeremiah: nop, wazd, i am horrid in that area Feb 18 16:19:36 jeremiah: No that was wazd ;) Feb 18 16:19:50 .. does 770 even do WPA2? Feb 18 16:20:14 wazd: Good post! Feb 18 16:20:45 Now, back to hacking in my rootstrap . . . Feb 18 16:21:20 jeremiah: thanks) Feb 18 16:21:23 Heh, jeremiah gets to know the joys of Scratchbox ;) Feb 18 16:22:07 * Stskeeps gets out the emergency vodka Feb 18 16:22:17 Did someone say vodka? Feb 18 16:22:30 ooh. you'll be fun at the next summit :> Feb 18 16:22:55 wazd: What does the 'All' icon do? Feb 18 16:23:09 Im shuree ull be reeeel funn. *hic* Feb 18 16:23:53 Yeah, I like that All hand icon. But what does it do? Feb 18 16:24:15 X-Fade: well, I planned it to sow all the stuff from all categories. Mostly for large screens (works as Personal Menu) Feb 18 16:24:28 hm Feb 18 16:24:47 wazd: But how would you show 50 icons ? :) Feb 18 16:24:57 My next post would be bout large screen layout Feb 18 16:25:05 Ah ;) Feb 18 16:25:15 Got to step out for a while. BBL. Feb 18 16:26:08 * hanno realizes how much he's out of touch with current status of Maemo. Feb 18 16:26:45 Uhm, is Mer somehow part of an upcoming N900 device? Or is this completely independent? Feb 18 16:26:56 hanno, the latter :) Feb 18 16:27:10 but Nokia is being helpful Feb 18 16:27:16 oooohkay. Feb 18 16:28:05 * jeremiah downloads raw mer image to run in virtualbox Feb 18 16:29:12 raw? Feb 18 16:29:14 grab vmdk Feb 18 16:29:15 it is more sane Feb 18 16:29:22 even for virtualbox Feb 18 16:29:42 Okay, will do Feb 18 16:30:32 Is there a list of Mer hardware platforms people use out there? Feb 18 16:31:10 770, n800, n810, beagleboard, pocket loox, pandora devel board.. x86 (vmware, my laptop, virtualbox, parrallels) Feb 18 16:31:49 but anything with a vga screen, 64MB (optimally 128MB+), that can boot ubuntu is a potential mer target :) Feb 18 16:33:14 or debian-armel (eventually= Feb 18 16:41:31 I think with dpi setting even lowres screens can handle mer Feb 18 16:41:57 lots of resources are fixed size though... Feb 18 16:43:34 right, now how do i pop ze battery.. Feb 18 16:44:56 ah, there Feb 18 16:46:36 Stskeeps, as with all tablets, tap it on your palm. :P Feb 18 16:47:21 Is it too late to recommend a knife? :) Feb 18 16:49:45 * Stskeeps ponders idly if his cellphone will die if he uses it as a rootfs over usb host. Feb 18 16:50:13 your cellphone has usb host? Feb 18 16:50:15 nah Feb 18 16:50:37 Stskeeps, that'd be NFS over 3G? ;) Feb 18 16:50:39 oh. better yet. use n800 as usb mass storage. Feb 18 16:50:46 johnx, use the phone in mass storage mode I guess Feb 18 16:51:04 ah, getting a 770 into usb host mode is kind of a PITA though, isn't it? Feb 18 16:51:31 we'll see Feb 18 16:51:33 :P Feb 18 16:52:17 hello cruel world Feb 18 16:52:26 andre__:ping ping ping ping ping Feb 18 16:52:36 cruel world: ping Feb 18 16:52:54 timeless, you make it cruel by inflicting your horrible locales upon us. :P Feb 18 16:52:57 if you were to start a device and it gave you two things you could change Feb 18 16:53:07 1. "Language" Feb 18 16:53:09 Is that the sound of hail bouncing of andre_k's skull? :P Feb 18 16:53:09 2. "Region" Feb 18 16:53:24 which of those two should influence the way a date stamp should be displayed Feb 18 16:53:25 s/of/off/ Feb 18 16:53:26 and how Feb 18 16:53:27 GeneralAntilles meant: Is that the sound off hail bouncing of andre_k's skull? :P Feb 18 16:53:36 for simplicity, LAnguage = Italian Feb 18 16:53:39 Region= USA Feb 18 16:53:43 Region? Feb 18 16:54:01 damn reconnect crap Feb 18 16:54:03 hummmm? Feb 18 16:54:08 have to agree with GeneralAntilles here Feb 18 16:54:10 what should happen for a date (December 25, 2010, GMT, 14 hours past day start) Feb 18 16:54:25 andre__ i need help delivering a fatal death blow Feb 18 16:54:49 andre__ : feel free to leak whichever bits are necessary Feb 18 16:54:57 then collect sufficient lightning to strike Feb 18 16:54:59 delivering it? let me be the messenger of destruction! Feb 18 16:55:17 * timeless goes to seek some internal help from Emeritus people Feb 18 16:55:27 date format depends on regional settings, not on device language Feb 18 16:55:34 Finish him! Feb 18 16:57:22 Stskeeps: Has anyone every booted Mer in a Virtualbox machine? Feb 18 16:57:29 jeremiah: yeah, i use it Feb 18 16:57:41 same here Feb 18 16:57:44 * qwerty12 uses it in VMWare Feb 18 16:57:53 it's disturbingly fast Feb 18 16:57:54 timeless: I'd be tempted to say let the user change it anyway - for example I use Imperial units for long distances - miles, but metric for short - cm, etc Feb 18 16:58:00 Stskeeps: It is giving me an error of "no bootable medium found." Feb 18 16:58:13 jeremiah: hmmm. sure you added the hd? Feb 18 16:58:16 * Jaffa 's not used 0.8 in VirtualBox Feb 18 16:58:28 hd? Feb 18 16:58:41 jeremiah: followed the instructions in the wiki? ;-) Feb 18 16:58:44 well, grabbed the vmdk, added it to the media manager and added it to the virtual machine Feb 18 16:58:51 Jaffa: I do believe so. Feb 18 16:59:05 I have a bunch of nicely working vms in Virtualbox already Feb 18 16:59:14 and it says mer-x86-generic-image-v0.8.vmdk in the virtual machine description (2,00gb) ? Feb 18 16:59:28 http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Releases/0.8#Installation_in_VirtualBox FWIW Feb 18 16:59:28 (and not .zip) Feb 18 16:59:44 Stskeeps: Yes. (I unziped it.) :) Feb 18 16:59:54 jeremiah: just checking :> Feb 18 17:00:22 Stskeeps: I understand, one has to ask this kind of question. ;) Feb 18 17:00:38 jeremiah: until we get some kind of understanding of your skill, yes ;) Feb 18 17:00:57 np, I got nothin' to hide. :) Feb 18 17:01:02 aNdre: so, please deliver lightning strike, and fire+brimstone Feb 18 17:01:07 Ok? Feb 18 17:01:40 I did download a new version of Virtualbox Feb 18 17:02:08 timelE61i, let me get my old WMDs that i still have under my bed... Feb 18 17:04:02 anybody here has a working bitbake setup for n810? Feb 18 17:04:04 i'll reimburse you if your strike works :) Feb 18 17:04:05 OE? Feb 18 17:04:27 the 770 usb host trick is not just the use of F-F cable is it? Feb 18 17:04:44 Stskeeps, you need a power injector. Feb 18 17:05:03 GeneralAntilles: and powered usb hub doesn't do the trick i guess Feb 18 17:05:15 (like with n800) Feb 18 17:06:58 IIUC power needs to be going *back into the 770* as well Feb 18 17:07:01 lovely Feb 18 17:07:11 scary, huh? Feb 18 17:07:26 yes, after i recall the guy who fried his 770 to do Deblet.. Feb 18 17:07:31 yeah Feb 18 17:07:35 was just about to mention that Feb 18 17:07:51 Stskeeps: Do you have an ISO format, I think virtualbox does not like the VMDK Feb 18 17:08:33 Time to bust out some googling Feb 18 17:08:41 jeremiah: no sorry, we do have raw :P but vmdk should work fine Feb 18 17:09:02 it's working nicely here on ubuntu's (8.10) virtualbox Feb 18 17:10:18 Hmm. Won't fly in Virtualbox 2.1.4, can't find bootable media. Feb 18 17:10:29 Google tells me that VMDK should work, as you said. Feb 18 17:10:29 and it is listed as a HD? Feb 18 17:10:44 0.7 worked in VirtualBox PUEL from virtualbox.org (on 64-bit Ubuntu 8.10) Feb 18 17:10:49 Do you mean listed as a hard drive? Feb 18 17:10:51 yeah Feb 18 17:11:05 could you maybe put up a screenshot of your 'details' tab from the main virtualbox window? Feb 18 17:11:29 also, you're not using an alternate virtualbox frontend right? Feb 18 17:11:40 I couldn't make it work in the gtk version for some reason... Feb 18 17:12:23 I will post a screenshot. Feb 18 17:13:15 hmm, 2.1.4? Stskeeps what version of vbox are you using? Feb 18 17:13:34 2.1.0, on my x86 Feb 18 17:13:38 (windows) Feb 18 17:14:29 Yeah, virtualbox just released a new version today which I am running. :/ Feb 18 17:14:40 Not always good to be early adopter. Feb 18 17:15:03 well, I'll install it and see if things break :) Feb 18 17:15:06 http://i.gizmodo.com/5155597/coolest-cellphone-interface-ever-is-also-absolutely-useless Feb 18 17:15:07 Does the changelog contain "toggle don't-work switch to true" Feb 18 17:15:12 woohohow) Feb 18 17:15:40 thats awesome) Feb 18 17:16:24 holy crap, thats very nice! Feb 18 17:17:00 Doesn't actually look *useful* though (and is a bit laggy on the sideways swipes - could just be youtube) Feb 18 17:17:49 texture thrashing maybe? Feb 18 17:18:15 Think gizmodo got it right, way too OTT for a phone - who's gonna be able to swipe their finger around a lot to get to their contacts when they get of the underground for example? Feb 18 17:18:23 s/of/off/ Feb 18 17:18:23 qwerty12 meant: Think gizmodo got it right, way too OTT for a phone - who's gonna be able to swipe their finger around a lot to get to their contacts when they get off the underground for example? Feb 18 17:18:32 who cares bout usability with this) Feb 18 17:18:38 It's very pretty) Feb 18 17:18:45 qwerty12: indeed, most of these whizzy UIs (and the non-whizzy ones like Maemo) aren't very usable bouncing around on public transport Feb 18 17:19:17 And it's fresh looking Feb 18 17:20:03 wAzd: just wait until you have a pannable country picker Feb 18 17:20:12 Sorted alphabetically, starting at a Feb 18 17:20:19 Ah, OMAP3 is gonna be fun. . . . Feb 18 17:20:20 Where you need to select USA Feb 18 17:20:35 serves the yankees right :P Feb 18 17:20:47 Suih: you @work? Feb 18 17:21:01 on the way home Feb 18 17:21:30 Next time you have a remark like that, drop by so i can strangle you in person Feb 18 17:21:49 Btw, reaching F isn't cake either Feb 18 17:21:49 timelE61i: well if the ui spec changes and allows lists/menus to scroll round the bottom it won't matter so much ;) Feb 18 17:22:11 Lardman: F is still hard to reach :) Feb 18 17:22:23 well if it rubberbands you can just stretch the list juuust right and slingshot it down to the bottom... Feb 18 17:22:27 true Feb 18 17:22:49 If it has a keyboard, I'd hope that you'd be able to press U Feb 18 17:23:29 n800 becomes a lot more usable on a commuter train when it's in portrait mode Feb 18 17:23:30 suihkulokki: adding the transitional and libhildon-1-0 to todo, any good places for seeing what are "good" names for libraries? Feb 18 17:23:49 hi lardman Feb 18 17:23:58 You got a vote in the referenda, didn't you? Feb 18 17:24:06 dneary: yes thanks Feb 18 17:24:14 timelE61i, that's kinda lazy, for a credible threat of violence you should threaten to drop by :) Feb 18 17:24:34 dneary: why the doubt? Feb 18 17:24:47 dneary: good post about the community manager - but as you're reeling off the problems about community involvement on corporate-led projects I'm thinking "yup, that's Maemo". Feb 18 17:24:47 i don't want to be credible Feb 18 17:24:55 lardman: The karma issue Feb 18 17:25:01 That'd be bad for my employment Feb 18 17:25:04 Stskeeps: http://www.netfort.gr.jp/~dancer/column/libpkg-guide/libpkg-guide.html#naminglibpkg Feb 18 17:25:16 Jaffa: So we need to address the problems Feb 18 17:25:18 suihkulokki: ta, we'll comb over the other libraries too Feb 18 17:25:24 sOrry, i'm really upset Feb 18 17:25:34 dneary: ah yeah, my karma is fine for that, and everything else, just annoying that it's not right Feb 18 17:25:39 :) Feb 18 17:25:55 Nokia's putting lots of resources into community enablement, and a specific community manager probably wouldn't help much Feb 18 17:26:09 yeah, I'm not sold on the need for one of those actually Feb 18 17:26:10 lardman: You're over 100K, are you? Feb 18 17:26:18 yeah, ~350 iirc Feb 18 17:26:28 but I should have a couple of hundred more I think Feb 18 17:26:39 350k what? Feb 18 17:26:41 100k! Feb 18 17:26:46 over 100 :) Feb 18 17:26:47 350 Karma Feb 18 17:27:23 * Jaffa read it as 100,000 ;-) Feb 18 17:28:09 * timelE61i too Feb 18 17:28:21 or 350*1024 Feb 18 17:28:36 Stskeeps: thanks in advance. Now that the "we are waiting for lenny freeze to end" excuse is gone, I need to look more into getting mer packages to debian Feb 18 17:28:59 *nod* if you need a playground for hwcap stuff, we're good too Feb 18 17:29:07 Sui: theme picker package :) Feb 18 17:29:43 just booted mer in the latest virtualbox (2.1.4). seems just fine, but sun's registration pop-up is annoying... Feb 18 17:29:51 timelE61i: which one? Feb 18 17:30:03 hildon-theme-selector, heh Feb 18 17:30:34 i think one of the next steps for mer is really the control panels.. Feb 18 17:30:43 yep Feb 18 17:30:52 Non nokia cpls=goood Feb 18 17:31:12 I'm not sold on the community manager idea, either. Feb 18 17:31:42 Especially when considering it from the "what would you do with x dollars a year" perspective. Feb 18 17:31:53 well, the name of the position certainly doesn't inspire warm fuzzy feelings Feb 18 17:32:16 i think my focus the next less than 14 days is improving 770 port and making the flashable n8x0 images.. and perhaps N-M patches Feb 18 17:32:24 GeneralAntilles: "Based on certain comments from Nokia about smartphones and Linux, I think Maemo with cellular voice is inevitable. I don't think it'll be this generation, however." <- oh, my dream ;) Feb 18 17:32:35 Stskeeps, ah, for nm you might want to look at stuff the OE guys have done Feb 18 17:32:44 the OE and Ohand guys I should say Feb 18 17:32:54 I'd rather pay somebody to be a technical reference like Eero fulltime. Feb 18 17:33:23 what's the differences between hildon-theme-layout-4(|-synth|ex) Feb 18 17:33:54 suihkulokki: i think it's extended coverage of icons, and some use of ubuntulooks engine, etc Feb 18 17:34:09 synth is the LCARS guys, -ex is the liberty theme Feb 18 17:34:33 suihkulokki, synth has things like hardware detection added and ex also has nokia sans references removed for one Feb 18 17:36:18 so they are basicly replacements for plankton? Feb 18 17:36:37 nah, layout and plankton is different Feb 18 17:36:54 they are theme layouts.. it is a bit weird until you take a look at it Feb 18 17:37:10 If we're going to make any progress, it's going to have to come from management. Feb 18 17:37:12 layout + theme source + tools (slicer) -> theme Feb 18 17:38:03 right Feb 18 17:50:26 I think we should decide with UI and then make theme layouts :) Feb 18 17:50:42 bye Feb 18 17:50:48 cya Feb 18 17:51:46 wazd, have you looked a bit into how theme layouts work? Feb 18 17:54:02 Resistive touchscreens are less accurate and more frustrating to use with full touchscreen devices, Feb 18 17:54:17 wow, didn't know that engadget is so lame) Feb 18 17:58:59 "Accurate" is a tough word to define sometimes. Feb 18 17:59:17 Capacitive is, arguably, more accurate Feb 18 17:59:22 In that it's better at picking up taps Feb 18 17:59:26 but it's also less precise. Feb 18 18:02:29 * johnx goes insane Feb 18 18:03:23 johnx: emmm, nope) Feb 18 18:03:38 johnx: how they work?) Feb 18 18:04:00 heh...kind of hard to sum it up on IRC in a couple lines :P Feb 18 18:04:13 w00t, grub loaded. Feb 18 18:04:23 jeremiah, woo! what was the problem? Feb 18 18:04:37 I think I corrupted my vmdk when I unzipped. :} Feb 18 18:05:01 I re-downloaded, checked the md5sums, and everything worked fine Feb 18 18:05:05 Stskeeps: how's Shutter77 work going?) Has he made up something already? Feb 18 18:05:15 wazd: not sure, haven't heard from him Feb 18 18:05:23 (he got the job to do some icons= Feb 18 18:05:27 Stskeeps: lazy bastard :) Feb 18 18:05:29 wazd, basically, I think some of your ideas can be implemented easily, with a couple tweaks, some will need patches to h-d which we're doing anyways, and some (the menu stuff) will probably be quite hard (so maybe longterm?) Feb 18 18:07:02 Stskeeps: I've tried to promote some young designers so they would have real work, not some jerking around with photoshop, but they all are too lazy :( Or young maybe( Feb 18 18:07:50 is there a Debian Internet tablet website other than ITT? Feb 18 18:08:19 johnx: well, it's totally up to programmers how they will do that stuff :) If it's too hard I can think of something simplier if you like Feb 18 18:09:33 wazd, I'm going to dig into applying ubuntu's patches to h-d as soon as I get a decent xserver for the zaurus working. then I'll look at doing what I can with theme layouts Feb 18 18:09:51 then I'll have a better idea about what to tell you can or can't be done Feb 18 18:10:33 btw we can just approve UI design and make theme layout for it without actually making it work Feb 18 18:10:47 Just make theme elements we need for future Feb 18 18:11:05 ah, but how the code works will determine some the UI elements I think Feb 18 18:11:55 s/some/the look of some of/ Feb 18 18:11:56 johnx meant: ah, but how the code works will determine the look of some of the UI elements I think Feb 18 18:13:58 well, I'll continue to make mockups and wait for your signal to make template layout :) Feb 18 18:14:06 Wah? You guys have perl 5.10 on Mer and Maemo has 5.8.4? Feb 18 18:14:09 sheesh Feb 18 18:14:29 we're tracking ubuntu jaunty :) Feb 18 18:14:39 Maybe I'll do a theme for canola :) Feb 18 18:14:48 Which means you are pretty up-to-date Feb 18 18:14:52 Maemo has perl-base by default, most perl things don't really work by default until you install perl-modules from SDK repo and that takes 20MB... Feb 18 18:15:18 qwerty12: Hmm, interesting. Feb 18 18:15:31 So you need a lot of disk for the perl modules eh? Feb 18 18:15:44 But 20MB doesn't seem that much. Feb 18 18:16:00 Actually, I should rephrase "most perl things don't really work by default", it's more like "most perl things that use external modules don't really work by default" :) Feb 18 18:16:02 the tablet starts life with 128MB free Feb 18 18:16:59 You certainly can't use dpkg-dev on Maemo with just perl-base though :) Feb 18 18:17:35 Well, all I can say is that I am impressed with Mer. Feb 18 18:18:11 And will do what I can to help out. Feb 18 18:19:28 :) Feb 18 18:53:26 * GeneralAntilles is tired of the silliness. Feb 18 18:53:36 I should probably do something productive like install Mer. . . . Feb 18 18:53:37 which silliness? Feb 18 18:53:57 johnx, itT, tabletblog, -developers. . . . Feb 18 18:54:03 ah Feb 18 18:54:12 I get my silliness quotient from itt alone :) Feb 18 18:54:22 mpf, is it too much asking to be able to sync contacts and calendar with n810? :) Feb 18 18:54:23 and when that doesn't do the trick I hit up comments on engadget Feb 18 18:54:34 Corsac, probably :) Feb 18 18:55:16 Corsac, what applications on the tablet and what applications on the desktop? Feb 18 18:55:43 whatever on the tablet, evolution on the desktop Feb 18 18:56:39 you could try sending a .vcf aka vcard to the tablet's contacts app Feb 18 18:56:50 you might want to try some non-Nokia PIM stuff though Feb 18 18:56:54 heh, "Edit layout" on OS2007HE is kinda neat Feb 18 18:57:00 yeah but that's not really sync :) Feb 18 18:57:23 I'd like to be able to add stuff on whatever calendar/contacts on whatever device and have it correctly sync'ed Feb 18 18:57:32 Stskeeps, yeah. I was sad to see that go... Feb 18 18:57:34 I know this is not an easy problem, but… Feb 18 18:57:41 johnx: yeah I'm looking at GPE stuff Feb 18 18:57:50 ah. good Feb 18 18:57:52 sts: how is edit layout in 2007he different from normal edit layout? Feb 18 18:57:57 that's probably the right path to follow Feb 18 18:57:59 johnx: it doesn't really seem to work Feb 18 18:58:01 :) Feb 18 18:58:08 timeless: there is no edit layout in os2008he. movable applets and not lockable applets Feb 18 18:58:15 er, diablo, i mean Feb 18 18:58:17 well, it's more likely to work than Nokia's "PIM" stuff Feb 18 18:58:24 oh, yeah, they deleted that feature later Feb 18 18:58:34 sorry, i'm used to os2007 Feb 18 18:58:41 i still had a device running it a few weeks ago Feb 18 18:59:09 ok, imagine you decide to install "Nitro' ("Crash Reporter") Feb 18 18:59:09 johnx, I think what bothers me most is people decrying Nokia in areas where they've made great strides. Feb 18 18:59:18 it wants to show a dialog Feb 18 18:59:27 gan: this means you :) Feb 18 18:59:37 the dialog will currently have a title: "Crash Reporter Privacy Note" Feb 18 18:59:52 GeneralAntilles, I do think it's good for companies to get held up to the hot irons on issues like long term support though Feb 18 19:00:09 it makes them worry about it more in the future :) Feb 18 19:00:21 oh my FSCK Feb 18 19:00:24 * timeless kicks eero Feb 18 19:00:43 at the same time, I think it's a good idea to give credit where credit is due Feb 18 19:00:58 and it lends you're arguments much more weight when you're honest about what the situation really is. Feb 18 19:01:50 I'll agree to the latter Feb 18 19:02:09 You don't think credit is deserved where it's earned? Feb 18 19:02:32 and *we* give a lot of credit in many visible places Feb 18 19:03:08 so someone has to balance us out by making angry noises about longterm support :) Feb 18 19:03:17 sts/someone: Feb 18 19:03:23 where do localized files belong? Feb 18 19:03:39 I don't see any point in trying to argue with people who aren't likely to change their mind Feb 18 19:03:46 /usr/share/locale/{locale}/{whaT?!}/{package}/{filename} Feb 18 19:03:51 johnx, you can make angry noises about longterm support without spouting falsehoods. Feb 18 19:03:53 please explain the 'what' part :) Feb 18 19:03:57 Well, there is that. Feb 18 19:04:22 timeless: LC_MESSAGES Feb 18 19:04:30 * johnx only has ~24 hours in a day Feb 18 19:04:34 qwerty: even if it's a file and not a mo file? Feb 18 19:05:01 ah, not sure sorry, lemme see if I can find out Feb 18 19:05:10 the file is currently /usr/share/crash-reporter-settings/privacy.txt Feb 18 19:05:15 which is bad for a dozen reasons Feb 18 19:05:20 but it'd help if my bug was complete Feb 18 19:11:39 jeremiah: ping Feb 18 19:20:38 oh awesome Feb 18 19:20:47 * ShadowJK finds a store selling spare styluses Feb 18 19:21:49 heh, i just noticed my asus fw on my wifi has kept the VLAN settings from my openwrt, curious Feb 18 19:21:57 so one of the ports is on WAN too Feb 18 19:23:14 Stskeeps, did we ever get a flashable jffs2 image? Feb 18 19:23:26 GeneralAntilles: working on it.. got some apt problems Feb 18 19:23:43 the mmap patch no longer applies and the workaround causes OOM and kills tablet Feb 18 19:24:20 Not even with fuzz? Feb 18 19:24:42 not even with fuzz Feb 18 19:25:07 heh :/ Feb 18 19:26:44 Which mmap patch is this? Feb 18 19:27:25 It's in the source for maemo's version of apt Feb 18 19:28:02 derf: basically apt needs shared-write mmap for the cache and jffs2 doesn't support this Feb 18 19:29:11 "Make it [apt] work in filesystems that don't support writable mmaps." - https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/tags/apt/0.7.6maemo2/mmap.patch Feb 18 19:34:25 * GeneralAntilles is installing Mer. Feb 18 19:34:37 is there a mer 0.8? Feb 18 19:34:53 https://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Releases/0.8 Feb 18 19:41:35 * Stskeeps notes 770 flashing is slower than n800 Feb 18 19:42:01 s/flashing// Feb 18 19:42:10 ^ Feb 18 19:42:58 * GeneralAntilles boots Mer Feb 18 19:43:03 Ugly progressbar. :P Feb 18 19:43:50 q Feb 18 19:43:51 eww Feb 18 19:43:56 oops. Feb 18 19:43:57 N810 won't run on AC only Feb 18 19:44:01 i meant hi. Feb 18 19:44:25 Stskeeps, OK, waiting at a blue splashscreen. . . . Feb 18 19:44:52 how i can determine whether -mtune=arm1136jf-s implies -mfpu=vfp? Feb 18 19:45:02 GeneralAntilles: yeah, it is a bit slow at start. n8x0 or vm? Feb 18 19:45:11 PPC-only here. . . . Feb 18 19:45:18 true Feb 18 19:45:24 It's still booting, then? Feb 18 19:45:28 Ah, there it is. Feb 18 19:45:30 Type your name Feb 18 19:45:38 it will generate rsa and dsa and some other housekeeping stuff at first Feb 18 19:45:48 No gesture support for the keyboard? Feb 18 19:45:53 pft :P Feb 18 19:46:21 Is that not part of h-i-m or something? Feb 18 19:46:32 oh Feb 18 19:46:33 define gesture support? :P Feb 18 19:46:38 does any one know what broswer android runs and if its possible to port that browser to maemo Feb 18 19:46:51 Nokia's closed source h-i-m plugin Feb 18 19:46:55 tell me what's maemo-launcher and why it is needed? Feb 18 19:46:59 Stskeeps, slide up for uppercase, slide back and forth to delete text. Feb 18 19:47:05 GeneralAntilles: ah Feb 18 19:47:07 GeneralAntilles: guess not Feb 18 19:47:09 qwerty12_N800, can we get them to open it, then? Feb 18 19:47:15 geoaxis: I'd say chrome? Feb 18 19:47:26 geoaxis: maybe something alike webkit engine Feb 18 19:47:28 Corsac, its QT? Feb 18 19:47:43 Corsac, Chrome is x86-only at this point. Feb 18 19:47:53 GeneralAntilles: they really should.. dunno why it's even closed... Feb 18 19:47:54 oh, f*k Feb 18 19:48:00 I'd say decent text input is critical to the success of any packport. Feb 18 19:48:06 of course my flashed 770 image doesn't have a root password.. Feb 18 19:48:21 geoaxis, https://garage.maemo.org/projects/webkit-eal/ Feb 18 19:48:23 btw the GPS in n810 is a total disaapointment Feb 18 19:48:30 geoaxis, did you install AGPS? Feb 18 19:48:39 GeneralAntilles: yes i did Feb 18 19:48:50 Virtual input is going to have to be seamless for me to use Mer. Feb 18 19:49:12 If I have to tap things out on a crappy little half-working VKB, it's not gonna fly. ;) Feb 18 19:49:21 still a bit to go, yeah Feb 18 19:49:27 but we're working with what we have Feb 18 19:49:36 things might be different with a frankenstein version, so Feb 18 19:49:53 Stskeeps, right, these are justifications to get more. ;) Feb 18 19:49:55 GeneralAntilles: why do you think Chrome is x86 only? Feb 18 19:50:08 GeneralAntilles: AGPS seems to do nothing on my N810 Feb 18 19:50:33 I have yet to see GPS give me any input ☹ Feb 18 19:50:33 luke-jr, because, for the time being, that's all it's been compiled for. Feb 18 19:50:44 GeneralAntilles: well, their JIT V8 engine supports ARM Feb 18 19:51:19 ah. backdoor on usb. lovely :) Feb 18 19:51:31 the things you forget.. Feb 18 19:51:32 luke-jr, one piece of a browser != the whole browser. Feb 18 19:51:52 Bleh, notification area connection notifications gotta go. Feb 18 19:52:00 GeneralAntilles, patches welcome Feb 18 19:52:08 hmhm, syncevolution requires a syncml server Feb 18 19:52:11 johnx, not my job. :P Feb 18 19:52:32 GeneralAntilles, then settle in for a long wait :> Feb 18 19:53:02 nothing with that sucks Feb 18 19:53:10 +bluetooth Feb 18 19:53:24 * GeneralAntilles waits patiently for the catalogs to update. Feb 18 19:53:44 yeah, HAM wasn't exactly optimized to be dealing with ubuntu universe.. Feb 18 19:53:50 I guess PSM is still a no-go? Feb 18 19:53:57 no, it is fixed in 0.8 Feb 18 19:54:07 Weird, WiFi's getting hot. Feb 18 19:54:21 well that can also be from the ubuntu fetching Feb 18 19:54:23 heh, apt-get itself doesn't deal with ubuntu's repos too quickly either on the n800/zaurus :) Feb 18 19:54:33 well, at least its supposed to be fixed :P Feb 18 19:54:50 Do we have some decent looking network applet icons? Feb 18 19:54:58 http://www.johnstowers.co.nz/blog/index.php/2008/02/22/coming-soon-to-an-internet-tablet-near-you/ >< Feb 18 19:55:05 eventually we will have, when someone makes them.. fairly easy to replace Feb 18 19:55:27 Is anybody working on that? Feb 18 19:55:49 think shutter started but didn't hear from him since Feb 18 19:55:56 i think he faded when he saw hildon-icons Feb 18 19:56:43 Corsac: looks like something to be tried on mer Feb 18 19:56:55 http://blogs.gnome.org/johncarr/tag/maemo/ ! Feb 18 19:57:42 What distribution does Mer report for a blank distribution field? Feb 18 19:58:04 GeneralAntilles: not entirely sure Feb 18 19:58:49 Er, no accents? Feb 18 19:58:52 How do I get a hyphen? Feb 18 19:59:04 it's the example virtual keyboard, not very functional Feb 18 19:59:07 think os2007 keyboard :) Feb 18 19:59:14 bottom left of the number pad Feb 18 19:59:19 not shifted Feb 18 19:59:49 Bleh, looks like a period. Feb 18 19:59:58 put on your glasses :) Feb 18 20:00:10 They are Feb 18 20:00:36 conduit: Depends: python2.5-pygoocanvas but it is not installable Feb 18 20:00:36 Depends: python2.5-evolution but it is not installable Feb 18 20:00:38 * Corsac cries Feb 18 20:00:59 Do I really want the Ubuntu repos? Feb 18 20:01:11 Waiting for updates after playing with the repos may just end in me killing myself. Feb 18 20:01:28 Apparently they're required. . . . Feb 18 20:01:29 well...you might not want them, but you need them Feb 18 20:01:32 *it's Feb 18 20:03:32 Bizarre, FBReader's not in the list for some reason. Feb 18 20:03:49 its in extras (not -devel)? Feb 18 20:03:56 it might get masked by the version in ubuntu's repo... Feb 18 20:03:59 I have both enabled. Feb 18 20:04:03 Ah Feb 18 20:04:20 extras are pinned at 500 (default) I assume Feb 18 20:05:02 select-menu-location doesn't seem to work Feb 18 20:05:05 Stskeeps: problem with Mer is that it's not really day2day usable :/ Feb 18 20:05:20 Corsac: yeah, but on the other hand, it is a lot more usable than when we started :| Feb 18 20:05:27 :> i mean Feb 18 20:05:30 Corsac, that's why it's not 1.0. ;) Feb 18 20:05:58 * johnx runs a native build of xfbdev Feb 18 20:06:06 GeneralAntilles: afaik, V8 was the only architecture-dependent piece Feb 18 20:06:24 well, the other problem is there isn't a linux port of chrome Feb 18 20:06:32 Corsac: Maemo isn't day2day usable IMO Feb 18 20:06:43 johnx: yes, that would be a problem :p Feb 18 20:06:44 s/linux/finished linux/ Feb 18 20:06:45 johnx meant: well, the other problem is there isn't a finished linux port of chrome Feb 18 20:06:56 johnx: on top of Chrome having nothing innovative Feb 18 20:07:20 the process management is neat Feb 18 20:07:30 is it? Feb 18 20:07:35 remoo Feb 18 20:07:37 last I checked, it was nothing different from IE8 Feb 18 20:07:56 hey RST38h Feb 18 20:08:37 heya johnx Feb 18 20:08:46 Stskeeps: yeah, no offense intended, it's just that sometime you need the stuff to just work, I have my laptop for breaking stuff on, and I bought the nokia expecting it to just work :) Feb 18 20:09:02 luke-jr: from Safari you mean? Feb 18 20:09:15 Corsac: no, we're talking process-per-tab, not Webkit Feb 18 20:09:18 oh. Feb 18 20:09:19 ok Feb 18 20:09:42 so is KMail 4 usable on Maemo? Feb 18 20:10:02 eg, if I only need the app, not the DE? Feb 18 20:10:41 I will need DE's librarys to install Mail^^ Feb 18 20:10:54 ? Feb 18 20:11:31 hehe.. KMail depens on some files ( packages) of KDE.. Feb 18 20:11:32 :) Feb 18 20:11:40 of course Feb 18 20:11:45 kdelibs and kdepimlibs Feb 18 20:12:35 true :) Feb 18 20:15:16 Yeah, it's pulling from the Ubuntu repo. Feb 18 20:15:47 * johnx is going to try ubuntu fbreader on mer/zaurus since his n800 is busy compiling :/ Feb 18 20:16:08 adv-power doesn't want to install. Feb 18 20:16:24 what dependencies aren't met? Feb 18 20:16:35 Needs the closed hald-addon-bme anyway Feb 18 20:16:37 requires hald-addon-bme Feb 18 20:17:07 * thopiekar is going to publish his packages of streamripper and post a thread about that on iTT tomorrow.. Feb 18 20:17:24 andre__ Feb 18 20:17:35 the bug master has two bugs.maemo.org accounts Feb 18 20:17:38 and it's hurting Feb 18 20:17:59 hmm? Feb 18 20:18:40 StsN800: could you please take a look at #mer? Feb 18 20:19:41 thopiekar, cooking atm Feb 18 20:19:55 StsN800: oki :) Feb 18 20:19:58 johnx, FBReader mostly works. Feb 18 20:20:06 No key bindings and no fullscreen, though. Feb 18 20:20:24 yeah, but I do all my keybindings different anyways :) Feb 18 20:20:24 could anyone else take a look at #mer who is familar with python? Feb 18 20:20:34 Are the cards automounted? Feb 18 20:20:50 GeneralAntilles, well, / is :) others aren't Feb 18 20:21:33 ke-recv may be a possibility now that we've got hald-addon-gpio & -mmc.. Feb 18 20:21:33 I guess powerlaunch isn't bundled? Feb 18 20:22:08 So, how do I turn this thing off? :P Feb 18 20:22:10 No, by the time I'd got it running, .8 was released Feb 18 20:22:21 E: Currently Scratcbox can only run in 32 bit i386 architecture. Feb 18 20:22:26 wtf? >< Feb 18 20:22:33 tf. Feb 18 20:22:34 sudo shutdown -h now Feb 18 20:22:35 are we still in 2005? Feb 18 20:22:44 we ain't Feb 18 20:22:45 * StsN800 doesn't want ke-recv personally Feb 18 20:22:46 qwerty12_N800: Password: Feb 18 20:22:47 nokia is Feb 18 20:22:53 * johnx parties like it's 2005 Feb 18 20:23:00 but you can apt-get install powerlaunch Feb 18 20:23:28 StsN800:heh, thinking of something better? :) Feb 18 20:23:33 Well, fun times. Feb 18 20:23:36 * GeneralAntilles goes back to Diablo. Feb 18 20:23:37 Corsac: ? Feb 18 20:23:55 qwerty12_N800, maybe powerlaunch scripts Feb 18 20:24:21 a possibility I guess Feb 18 20:24:43 powerlaunch is nicely abstracted from the hardware, right? Feb 18 20:24:51 Or not. . . . Feb 18 20:25:05 Is there anything in particular I need to do differently for a Diablo .item? Feb 18 20:25:42 johnx: well..., it's pretty much maemo & nokia dependent imho Feb 18 20:26:11 at least configs are Feb 18 20:27:06 GeneralAntilles, similar to mer one but with ITEM_LINUXRC removed and rw instead of ro Feb 18 20:27:59 Ah, OK. Feb 18 20:30:23 Goddamnit . . . still no go. Feb 18 20:31:02 refreshed bootmenu? Feb 18 20:31:13 or cped in the item Feb 18 20:31:46 fsck segfaults on the partition. <_< Feb 18 20:32:01 neat Feb 18 20:32:21 Christ Feb 18 20:32:25 * GeneralAntilles doesn't want to reinstall. Feb 18 20:32:31 prolly from years on end never getting fscked Feb 18 20:36:59 GeneralAntilles: what fs? Feb 18 20:37:26 EXT3. It's booting. Feb 18 20:38:09 qwerty12_N800, when are you gonna put together a boot screen package? Feb 18 20:39:29 heh, with what graphics? :) Feb 18 20:39:51 qwerty12_N800, any. Feb 18 20:39:57 The maemo.org set might be a good one to start with Feb 18 20:40:16 Mostly I'm looking for a template package with can use to create others, though. Feb 18 20:40:24 For Maemo or Mer? Feb 18 20:40:33 Maemo, I guess. Feb 18 20:41:28 I've been itching for an excuse to learn dpkg-divert I guess... Feb 18 20:42:02 O.o Feb 18 20:42:12 oh Feb 18 20:42:20 that's some scary thing Feb 18 21:03:24 is it possible to use teh GPS with Google Maps? :/ Feb 18 21:03:51 maemo mapper Feb 18 21:04:01 how? :/ Feb 18 21:05:11 really could do with google making mobile apps for maemo Feb 18 21:06:20 luke-jr, read the docs? Feb 18 21:06:24 luke-jr: install maemo mapper, tell it to download it's apps from google Feb 18 21:06:32 er, s/apps/maps/ Feb 18 21:06:45 luke-jr: use google street map repository Feb 18 21:06:48 I installed it, but Google isn't an option Feb 18 21:07:30 If I remember right there is an "update map locations" button/function Feb 18 21:07:47 there is also some option for "use maps that might not be legal to use" Feb 18 21:09:08 The documentation it harasses you about when you first open it is helpful. Feb 18 21:10:19 http://www.allmobileworld.it/?p=8601 <- wtf :P Feb 18 21:10:33 GeneralAntilles: how can I see that? Feb 18 21:12:35 Stskeeps: i'm still waiting for the 666... Feb 18 21:12:50 666 is base 8 Feb 18 21:12:53 qwerty12_N800: pandora is -actually- nokia 666. Feb 18 21:13:31 but see the video, even if the girl isn't that cute, concept is interesting :P Feb 18 21:14:06 that image is *so* old though :/ Feb 18 21:14:18 hehe Feb 18 21:15:19 yeah, ok, 2005 Feb 18 21:20:39 hmm, seems boafm do not cleanly return function to speakers on exit... Feb 18 21:21:44 Corsac: if you run the installer through setarch, it works. It's an overzealous check, not an actual requirement Feb 18 21:26:58 grr, Maemo Mapper keeps crashing Feb 18 21:27:03 the AGPS app keeps the GPS running tho Feb 18 21:27:10 but when Mapper starts again it seems to reset it ☹ Feb 18 21:27:34 Maemo Mapper is a bit crashy in latest version Feb 18 21:27:36 not sure why Feb 18 21:29:31 "Go to" doesn't seem to work either Feb 18 21:29:50 Anyone seen a THUMB function call done with MOV R14,shit ; BLL #0 ? Feb 18 21:30:31 shit or shift? :> Feb 18 21:31:27 lol Feb 18 21:31:39 SHIT Feb 18 21:31:55 And, by the way, I want to kill whoever has done this Feb 18 21:34:25 hi do you know would it be possible to run a perl interface on xchat on the N800? Feb 18 21:34:34 lol http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=265464&postcount=24 Feb 18 21:35:42 mhmh, multisync with gpesyncd seems to do something, it says sync successfull, but no events in the database in the end :/ Feb 18 21:36:38 General: It is a useless discussion Feb 18 21:36:54 General: 720p, 1080p, who gives a damn? Feb 18 21:37:43 Davide: you dunno the amount of crap I tried to fix so that xchat could be built with perl... not the same I know, but the version of xchat i put in extras-devel has the python interface enabled Feb 18 21:37:51 Besides, once you miss cache and go out to SDRAM, both shiny OMAP3 and lowly ARM11 will hang waiting for the 160MHz SDRAM part to respond Feb 18 21:37:57 RST38h, apparently that marketing approach is working really well. Feb 18 21:38:14 General: On mentally soft people, anyway Feb 18 21:38:23 OMAP3 is DDR, isn't it? Feb 18 21:38:27 Dunno Feb 18 21:38:33 I believe it is. Feb 18 21:38:37 RAM's faster than OMAP2 Feb 18 21:38:43 My guess is that in a consumer device you will still get the same standard SDRAM Feb 18 21:38:49 querty12_N800 is it only python can't do perl? Feb 18 21:38:55 console-setup needs to die Feb 18 21:38:58 someone wrote a perl script for me that I wanted to use... a short one Feb 18 21:39:07 I'm not sure how to get it to work Feb 18 21:39:08 usually operating in 100MHz..180MHz range, with power consumption increasing exponentially with clock Feb 18 21:39:31 qwerty12_N800 Feb 18 21:39:38 Now, if OMAP3 has 512kB+ of cache, that would be something ;))) Feb 18 21:40:01 Davide: only python. besides, perl isn't really supported well in maemo anyway Feb 18 21:40:06 Mapper uses 95% RAM :/ Feb 18 21:40:26 andre__: can you ask jeremiah if he needs to bugs.maemo.org accounts Feb 18 21:40:42 if he doesn't, can you borrow justdave@mozilla-com's user merging script Feb 18 21:40:43 and use it Feb 18 21:40:59 because it sucks that i can't easily cc jeremiah Feb 18 21:42:54 qwerty12_N800 I'm trying to find a way basically that xchat will trigger a sound when a specific keyword is entered Feb 18 21:43:19 or that it would highlight a specific keyword only Feb 18 21:43:19 idk Feb 18 21:43:27 so I can make it play the sound Feb 18 21:44:55 timeless, hmm... there's only one entry by jeremiah's non-maemo address, and it's CC'ed by both his addresses. so i think i'm lazy as there's no problem i see Feb 18 21:45:38 err Feb 18 21:45:46 the problem is that if you enter 'jeremiah' into the cc list Feb 18 21:45:49 you get a chooser Feb 18 21:45:54 and have to pick one or the other Feb 18 21:45:59 Davide: i don't know unfortunately, all I do know is that xchat & perl aren't supported on the tablets and I've never studied the python xchat api Feb 18 21:46:14 timeless, empty your browser cache? Feb 18 21:46:16 timeless, should we get another Jeremiah to register and solve it for good? ;) Feb 18 21:46:20 if he only had one account, then entering 'jeremiah' will just cc Feb 18 21:46:27 gan: yeah well... Feb 18 21:46:44 qwerty12_N800 ok thank you for your help! Feb 18 21:47:45 ~curse nameless Japanese programmer who misused BLL instruction Feb 18 21:47:46 May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, nameless Japanese programmer who misused BLL instruction ! Feb 18 21:48:19 andre__: i could be mean and disable one of the accounts, it'd generally solve my problem :) Feb 18 21:48:35 it's just that, for someone likely to be cc'd often... Feb 18 21:48:44 it's helpful not to have to guess which of two addresses to pick Feb 18 21:48:45 you could simply empty your browser cache Feb 18 21:48:59 that doesn't make sense Feb 18 21:49:08 because the picker comes from the server side Feb 18 21:49:19 the CC field does not offer anything here when entering "jeremiah" Feb 18 21:49:25 no, it's not server side Feb 18 21:49:37 are we speaking about maemo.org bugzilla?! :-P Feb 18 21:49:46 sure it does Feb 18 21:49:47 yes Feb 18 21:49:57 what other bugs.maemo.org's are there? :) Feb 18 21:50:35 lol Feb 18 21:50:45 errr... 1. go to a bug report, 2. go to "Add CC" field, 3. enter "jeremiah", 4. see that nothing happens Feb 18 21:50:53 hit enter Feb 18 21:50:54 can someone confirm this please? :-D Feb 18 21:51:02 ah Feb 18 21:51:04 nice Feb 18 21:51:07 ... Feb 18 21:51:08 never used Feb 18 21:51:13 welcome to the 90s Feb 18 21:51:24 lol Feb 18 21:51:36 i'm used to on-the-fly autocompletion Feb 18 21:51:37 (actually, it isn't quite that old, but still) Feb 18 21:51:41 this is really 90es Feb 18 21:51:52 this works even if js is disabled Feb 18 21:52:00 on the fly is often a disaster Feb 18 21:52:06 especially for tablet devices :) Feb 18 21:52:34 workaround: enter name + @maemo.org :-P Feb 18 21:52:35 anyway, please find out if jeremiah is ok w/ losing one of those accounts, and if so, borrow justdave's merging script and use it :) Feb 18 21:52:40 yes, i'm lazy... Feb 18 21:53:17 actually, jeremiah@m would work Feb 18 21:53:22 but only if i know that's the one he wants Feb 18 21:53:24 and i don't know that Feb 18 21:53:30 because he liss moth Feb 18 21:53:36 lists both Feb 18 21:53:37 * timeless sighs Feb 18 21:54:57 * timeless pokes sp3000 Feb 18 21:56:00 * timeless frowns Feb 18 21:56:07 i think i'm missing a tv programming slot Feb 18 21:56:19 one of the finnish channels is showing Kyle XY a bunch of days a week Feb 18 21:56:24 but i seem to be missing an episode Feb 18 21:56:35 which means i'll have to find it somehow Feb 18 21:57:06 is there an official port for truecrypt to maemo? Feb 18 21:57:35 There is one mentioned in the forums but Im curious about whether its safe Feb 18 22:00:25 * Gnu[OFF] is away: Gone away for now Feb 18 22:00:50 Gnu[OFF], turn that off. Feb 18 22:01:28 Awesome! the General is here! GeneralAntilles am I being paranoid? Feb 18 22:01:46 kkrusty: yes, yes you are. :P Feb 18 22:02:02 kkrusty: if you want to be 100% sure, review the source and build it yourself :P Feb 18 22:02:12 kkrusty: no, because you imply you would trust an official port. Feb 18 22:02:41 kkrusty: if you were paranoid, you would recode form scratch in assembler. Feb 18 22:02:51 s/or/ro/ Feb 18 22:02:51 benson meant: kkrusty: if you were paranoid, you would recode from scratch in assembler. Feb 18 22:03:11 well an official build would be more trustworthy than what someone said on a forum Feb 18 22:03:47 The officials are probably in on the conspiracy! :p Feb 18 22:03:54 If I were really paranoid I'd lock myself in a sealed room to avoid anyone from reading my thoughts Feb 18 22:03:56 Somebody doesn't know Nokia. Feb 18 22:04:00 there's official builds? Feb 18 22:04:35 * gnuton is back. Feb 18 22:04:37 kkrusty: don't forget the tinfoil hat! Feb 18 22:05:55 You know, aluminum foil mostly just amplifies radio waves. :P Feb 18 22:07:21 you trust the cpu maker not to have altered the cpu to steal all your info? Feb 18 22:07:56 Hehe Feb 18 22:08:57 Well I might as well think that Im genetically modified to produce a low powered signal detailing my every thought Feb 18 22:12:41 lol Feb 18 22:12:46 omgomgomg! Another real competitor steps forward!11 http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/18/ramos-t9-imovie-2-pmp-800-x-480-16gb-132/ Feb 18 22:12:54 I should post bout it! Feb 18 22:13:13 you shuld ;) Feb 18 22:13:38 so what is n900 going to have? Feb 18 22:13:45 I wonder how pweful that one is... Feb 18 22:13:54 omap3 Feb 18 22:14:05 3d Feb 18 22:14:08 ect.. Feb 18 22:14:29 wazd, do three blogs! Feb 18 22:14:29 large quantities of awesome! Feb 18 22:14:55 kkrusty: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25478 Feb 18 22:15:17 benson, cool! thanks Feb 18 22:15:22 GeneralAntilles: I can't type normaly@111 I'm overexcited!1 Feb 18 22:17:49 wow, Mer post is on the maemo index already) Nice) Feb 18 22:19:12 Council blog's still broked. Feb 18 22:27:51 * Stskeeps wonders idly how HAL ever got popular Feb 18 22:29:17 benson, did you find any replacement for zonescreen? Feb 18 22:30:13 kkrusty: Huh? I haven't been looking for one... Feb 18 22:30:14 * qwerty12_N800 found out why his N800 is treated as a music player in linux after looking at hal - there's an upstream rule to treat 770's & N800's as music players Feb 18 22:30:27 heh Feb 18 22:30:36 cos of the internal sotrage? Feb 18 22:30:44 er, usb mass storage Feb 18 22:30:50 benson, right. I was just thinking that you were from the forum posting Feb 18 22:30:51 yep :) Feb 18 22:31:39 kkrusty: I'm Benson from itT, and I read that thread, but that wasn't my hack... Feb 18 22:31:44 qwerty, you should remove it Feb 18 22:32:33 benson, right. sorry Feb 18 22:33:07 what's wrong with zonescreen, anyhow? Feb 18 22:34:03 jakemaheu: yeah, I remember it annoying me a long while back but no idea what caused it because rhythmbox would run when I connected my N800 and then crash but still leave its process hanging around and it made the N800 "un-unmountable" until I killed rhythmbox Feb 18 22:34:21 benson, nothing wrong with it. Im using linux Feb 18 22:34:52 benson, by the way ZoneScreen doesn't encrypt. Feb 18 22:34:55 Haha Feb 18 22:35:00 Oh, then just set up a dummy screen and use Xinerama should work. Feb 18 22:35:33 * benson doesn't remember the name of the X driver that uses a virtual framebuffer and no video card. Feb 18 22:35:59 * benson is pretty sure there was one, though. Feb 18 22:36:03 xvfb? Feb 18 22:36:47 But I have to wonder why... Why not just enable the cursor and use Synergy, starting any desktop apps needed via ssh -x ? Feb 18 22:48:59 hello Feb 18 22:49:22 hello, skibur Feb 18 22:50:02 benson, to speed up Debian on the N800, do I enable CPU on Performance? or CPU on On-Demand? Feb 18 22:50:15 hello jakemaheu, you have debian on your ITT? Feb 18 22:50:32 Internet Tablet Talk? Feb 18 22:50:44 heh Feb 18 22:51:09 lol Feb 18 22:51:14 IT Feb 18 22:51:22 skibur: no, i don't Feb 18 22:51:47 Any takers? Feb 18 22:53:20 as suggested by the name, performance. but your battery life will go down faster than it does in ondemand (the default mode) Feb 18 22:54:41 o i c Feb 18 22:54:45 thanks Feb 18 22:58:34 No wonder Wii Homebrew isn't working . . . I took my SD card out. Feb 18 22:58:43 lol Feb 18 22:58:56 I need to buy some more cards. Feb 18 23:07:59 General: You do Wii homebrew? Feb 18 23:08:44 jakemaheu, well, I installed it months ago, played ScummVM a bit then haven't looked at it since. Feb 18 23:08:49 ah Feb 18 23:09:09 What version is your Wii? Mine is 3.2U Feb 18 23:09:24 My Wii has gone a bit neglected next to my 360 Feb 18 23:09:27 3.4, I guess? Feb 18 23:09:30 I just updated it. Feb 18 23:10:04 Eek Feb 18 23:10:06 bad idea Feb 18 23:10:13 very, VERY BAD IDEA Feb 18 23:10:20 wiibrew.org Feb 18 23:10:25 Homebrew channel still launches Feb 18 23:10:32 oh Feb 18 23:10:39 *phew* Feb 18 23:10:56 * Stskeeps ponders when johnx will start on the wiimer port Feb 18 23:11:17 well... going to shut down this p3 tomorrow Feb 18 23:11:34 * Macor sheds a tear for his p3 Feb 18 23:11:35 heh Feb 18 23:11:45 I'd use my Wii more if it could output VGA Feb 18 23:11:56 As it is, I just don't end up in front of a real TV very often these days. Feb 18 23:11:57 isn't it 640x480? :P Feb 18 23:12:04 what is the res of a wii? 420p? Feb 18 23:12:06 VGA cable Feb 18 23:12:08 Yeah Feb 18 23:12:09 ah Feb 18 23:12:21 * Stskeeps ponders what the tiny hole beside charger is on the 770 Feb 18 23:12:26 For instance, my 360 is hooked up to the VGA on one of my 20" monitors. ;) Feb 18 23:12:29 Mic Feb 18 23:12:34 No, it's not a reset button Feb 18 23:12:38 aw Feb 18 23:12:39 :( Feb 18 23:12:40 hahaha Feb 18 23:12:41 So don't stick any paperclips in there. :P Feb 18 23:12:49 lol Feb 18 23:12:54 that would probably suck Feb 18 23:12:58 Don't laugh, people have done it. :P Feb 18 23:13:04 hahaha Feb 18 23:13:11 someone does everything Feb 18 23:13:13 * b-man laughs anyways Feb 18 23:13:47 you know, 770s could actually be stacked and clustered.. lends more to the theory of maemo.org used to be run by WSODed 770s Feb 18 23:14:14 heh Feb 18 23:14:27 they lend themselves a little more to stacking and usb connecting than n800s, for instance Feb 18 23:15:46 i failed to identify cos you didnt tell me Feb 18 23:15:59 how are 770s better at stacking? Feb 18 23:16:21 you failed because you stole someone's nick :p Feb 18 23:16:22 n810 with keyboards out stack really nicely Feb 18 23:16:34 mavhc: well, you can stack it and connect with usb, whereas with n800 you have to kick out the stand.. Feb 18 23:16:41 ah Feb 18 23:17:45 i wonder if the n900 will have a kickstand Feb 18 23:18:00 * Guest10834 hopes it does Feb 18 23:18:01 blah Feb 18 23:19:08 Macor: there is no room here for bordom Feb 18 23:20:05 Guest10834, if it doesn't I'm throwing a temper tantrum. Feb 18 23:21:11 I'll launch the nukes! Feb 18 23:21:52 http://www.inhabitat.com/2009/02/18/suncat-solar-batteries-by-knut-karlsen/#more-19494 Feb 18 23:22:04 neat and strangly obvious Feb 18 23:22:12 fireun: stuck at work Feb 18 23:22:39 ohh, so sad, stuck with a job Feb 18 23:22:41 leaving in a cpl hrs tho...just have to set something up Feb 18 23:22:46 hahaha Feb 18 23:22:57 got laid off or something? Feb 18 23:22:58 GeneralAntilles: but isnt the aim to be rotated and more portraity Feb 18 23:23:13 blame bush Feb 18 23:23:20 Macor: it doesnt do any good Feb 18 23:23:28 I've been doing it for years Feb 18 23:23:34 Guest10834, how do you mean? Feb 18 23:23:42 haha Feb 18 23:23:51 i dont mind my job Feb 18 23:24:32 just... im off tomorrow for a week so today seems to be the watched tea pot Feb 18 23:24:35 arent the rotation bugs marked as fixed in fremantle, and doesnt clutter allow orientation flips on the fly etc Feb 18 23:24:40 MaceG1: then keep yer bordom to yer self (: Feb 18 23:25:11 Guest10834, the default mode is going to be landscape. Feb 18 23:25:52 Clutter really doesn't have anything to do with orientation. Feb 18 23:26:08 and I'm not actually sure rotation is going to be a part of Fremantle. Feb 18 23:26:40 how do you know? Feb 18 23:26:54 and clutter does, because it just uses a rotated actor Feb 18 23:27:36 you dont know any more than me or (most) others in the chan surely? Feb 18 23:27:58 * Guest10834 is "speculating" Feb 18 23:28:39 let's speculate! Feb 18 23:28:51 rebelrebelrebelrebelrebel!) Feb 18 23:32:28 i need to see if there is an android update when i get home Feb 18 23:33:16 i am pretty sure there is one. maybe the open one has a2dp now Feb 18 23:34:53 Guest10834, rotation involves the XServer and the kernel. Feb 18 23:35:07 or opengl and no x updates Feb 18 23:35:13 Not everything uses Clutter Feb 18 23:35:19 so just rotating Clutter doesn't really help. Feb 18 23:35:30 I know because I tend to pay attention to as many things Maemo as I can. :) Feb 18 23:35:34 unless x is rerouted through clutter Feb 18 23:36:47 Isn't clutter just a framework? if your plain gtk app was run through clutter, surely you'd get a performance hit Feb 18 23:37:32 dunno, isnt the same thing said about using opengl as a compositing manager? Feb 18 23:37:47 the speedups by using hardware rendering makes it worthwhile? Feb 18 23:37:55 anyway, thats for another day Feb 18 23:37:59 gnite Feb 18 23:38:09 night Feb 18 23:40:06 good morning\ Feb 18 23:40:52 I happen to have an excess of N810 car mounts. What would be a reasonable price for them, mint in baggies? Feb 18 23:41:04 fell off a truck, eh? Feb 18 23:41:08 no Feb 18 23:41:10 lol Feb 18 23:41:34 Nokia shipped me a new N810 after the warranty shipment went afoul, and didn't ask for the accessories of the original back Feb 18 23:41:49 and I don't have a car Feb 18 23:42:07 ditto Feb 18 23:42:09 bike mount? Feb 18 23:42:15 I don't have a bike Feb 18 23:42:18 or a Segway Feb 18 23:42:22 what do you do? walk!? Feb 18 23:42:30 I could probably afford a Fisher Price roller skate Feb 18 23:42:31 maybe Feb 18 23:42:41 I couldnt Feb 18 23:42:42 fireun: no, we have decent transit around my Uni Feb 18 23:42:53 fireun: I meant *one* roller skate ;) Feb 18 23:43:08 our tuition gets us a sweet deal on transit passes Feb 18 23:43:32 yeah, that would be nice - seems almost required, living next to school that is. Feb 18 23:43:44 but it costs more Feb 18 23:44:17 lol . . . Clutter Feb 18 23:44:21 well, $90 CAD gets us unlimited transit on the buses, water-taxi-things, and the elevated train Feb 18 23:44:27 for four months Feb 18 23:53:37 * timeless sighs Feb 18 23:53:42 crash-reporter strings are funny Feb 19 00:06:01 how do I actually put the microSD card in the N810? :/ Feb 19 00:07:21 luke-jr: you'll need a mini-SD adapter Feb 19 00:07:36 it looks like a mini-SD card, but has a receptacle for a micro-SD card Feb 19 00:07:43 most micro cards come with them Feb 19 00:08:25 if yours didn't, well, SD cards are fairly cheap (I can get a half-decent 2GB for $7 CAD) Feb 19 00:10:47 doh Feb 19 00:10:52 ;) Feb 19 00:10:59 I just got the 4 GB microSD for $10 Feb 19 00:11:06 it doesn't have an adapter, then? Feb 19 00:11:09 no Feb 19 00:11:16 supposedly SanDisk doesn't do adapters Feb 19 00:11:19 are you in the US/Canada? Feb 19 00:11:22 yes.. Feb 19 00:11:28 but only this one was on sale I think Feb 19 00:11:36 wow, we have 8gig SD for 30 bucks :( Feb 19 00:11:42 check out http://ncix.com or http://ncixusa.com respectively Feb 19 00:11:51 jaem: why? Feb 19 00:11:52 they're usually the best deals around, on good stuff Feb 19 00:12:04 I do all my shopping there Feb 19 00:12:08 even groceries! Feb 19 00:12:11 okay, kidding there Feb 19 00:12:51 but they make the chain stores look like complete ripoffs Feb 19 00:14:00 wazd: I tried out ATI85 today (just got my tablet back), and it looks great Feb 19 00:14:26 wtf, miniSD costs more? :/ Feb 19 00:14:36 a miniSD might Feb 19 00:14:36 jaem: I don't think they're around here Feb 19 00:14:46 try a microSD - they come with adapters Feb 19 00:15:00 I just bought a microSD and they don't Feb 19 00:15:13 luke-jr: wait for a sale, then - sometimes they have $5 shipping, if your order a certain amount Feb 19 00:15:21 most of the ones I've seen on that site do Feb 19 00:15:51 I don't want to wait a day Feb 19 00:15:53 sigh Feb 19 00:16:01 and $5 shipping is way too much Feb 19 00:16:13 called the store, $15 for 4 GB miniSD Feb 19 00:16:14 sigh Feb 19 00:16:21 :( I can understand that, but FWIW: http://www.ncixus.com/products/34125/PSF8GMCSDHC43P/Patriot/ Feb 19 00:16:32 bbiab I guess ☹) Feb 19 00:21:24 is hildon-desktop the command needed to start hildon? Feb 19 00:23:38 jaem: thanks) Feb 19 00:23:56 http://www.infectious.com/critique/wazd/i-love-blogging-pattern/912 <- you can vote or discuss if you like :) Feb 19 00:27:29 nice! Feb 19 00:28:19 on a side note, and out of curiousity, does anyone make patterned N-series cling-on skins? (I like the brushed finish, myself, but it would be interesting) Feb 19 00:34:19 dunno, got this contest by chance :) Feb 19 01:18:54 Does anyone know what the command to start hildon from a terminal? Feb 19 01:42:54 Hi everybody ! I've got a general question : Is 'gdbserver' from the maemo repositories ... thread-capable ? I'm having the hardest time remote-debugging simple multi-threaded piece of code on the N810 running maemo... Maybe gdbserver is not thread-enabled.... any hint ? Feb 19 01:49:23 fred23: um Feb 19 01:49:32 at various times i've had luck using gdbserver w/ gecko Feb 19 01:49:35 which is threaded Feb 19 01:49:40 and at times, i've had no luck Feb 19 01:50:39 but basically, you don't recall gdbserver having a specific thread-related bug... Feb 19 01:51:13 timeless: but basically, you don't recall gdbserver having a specific thread-related bug... Feb 19 01:51:15 i think i do, but i don't remember which versions of which pieces were to blamek, and certainly not which repositories Feb 19 01:51:30 personally, i'd basically build gdb6.6 and gdb6.8 and ignore the repos Feb 19 01:51:39 you may have slightly better luck w/ 6.6 Feb 19 01:52:01 yeah.. I'm currently using 6.8 Feb 19 01:52:23 think I'll try that...see what I get Feb 19 01:52:31 thanks Feb 19 01:54:34 /dev/mmcblk0p1 on /media/mmc2 type vfat (rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,noatime,nodiratime,uid=29999,fmask=0133,dmask=0000,codepage=cp437,iocharset=iso8859-1,shortname=mixed,utf8) Feb 19 01:54:35 /dev/mmcblk0p1 on /media/mmc1 type vfat (rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,uid=29999,fmask=0133,dmask=0000,codepage=cp437,iocharset=iso8859-1,shortname=mixed,utf8) Feb 19 01:54:38 timeless: sorry... one last thing... Is gdbserver packaged with gdb ? Or it got its own sources and repos ? Feb 19 01:54:40 how is this possible? :x Feb 19 01:54:57 go straight to fsf.org, you build gdb+gsbserver together Feb 19 01:55:06 and you really want to use the exact pair Feb 19 01:55:11 ah ! you got it ! thanx Feb 19 01:56:36 how is /dev/mmcblk0p1 mounted twice? :x Feb 19 01:57:57 and why is there no kismet port? :x Feb 19 02:14:15 * timeless frowns Feb 19 02:14:23 anyone here have any complaints about my strings? :) Feb 19 02:15:24 strings? Feb 19 02:15:59 neato_jones: what language do you use your device in? Feb 19 02:16:21 English, US Feb 19 02:16:42 if you enable extras-devel, you'll find a package which replaces the English US strings Feb 19 02:16:48 timeless, yes. Feb 19 02:16:57 But they're all personal. :P Feb 19 02:16:59 (you can't safely remove it, but hopefully you won't mind) Feb 19 02:18:33 ah Feb 19 02:18:47 I'm running Mer anyway. :) Feb 19 02:18:48 i was thinking about reflashing my 770, it seems to get buggy after a while Feb 19 02:19:00 oh Feb 19 02:19:04 well, it should work in mer too Feb 19 02:19:09 and then i noticed on the wikipedia page a link to a memory corruption patch? Feb 19 02:19:10 (mostly, some minor issues) Feb 19 02:19:29 apparently only recent 2007hacker editions dont need the patch Feb 19 02:19:52 and looking for the kernel module the patch deploys, i dont see such a file on my os2006 Feb 19 02:20:14 i thought i had the most recent nokia blessed 770 os, though. Feb 19 02:20:17 so,, Feb 19 02:20:26 should i move to the 'hacker edition' just for stability? Feb 19 02:20:41 any 770 owners here? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Feb 19 02:59:57 2009