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Feb 20 03:09:41 <rm_you> johnx: yo :P
Feb 20 03:15:56 * GeneralAntilles gets a serial console on his N800.
Feb 20 03:16:16 <GeneralAntilles> Hi, rm_you.
Feb 20 03:16:47 <rm_you> heyhey
Feb 20 03:16:49 <rm_you> so
Feb 20 03:17:06 <rm_you> apparently I get to have dinner with RMS in April O_o
Feb 20 03:17:13 <rm_you> which is sweet
Feb 20 03:17:19 <GeneralAntilles> lol
Feb 20 03:17:27 <GeneralAntilles> Tell him he's a crazy person?
Feb 20 03:17:31 <rm_you> lol
Feb 20 03:19:07 <rm_you> i don't think he's crazy :P he's just an idealist, and maybe a bit of a zealot, but we need both of those qualities
Feb 20 03:19:17 <rm_you> and i agree with him pretty much 100%
Feb 20 03:19:21 <GeneralAntilles> Crazy as crazy gets.
Feb 20 03:19:43 <GeneralAntilles> and not very useful for convincing the corporate types of your point of view.
Feb 20 03:20:01 <ds3> GeneralAntilles: did you get the right connector or you just soldered it?
Feb 20 03:20:53 <tank-man> as a user of software, I like RMS's ideas
Feb 20 03:20:55 <GeneralAntilles> ds3, I stole a couple of connectors from some old 286 machines at work.
Feb 20 03:21:11 <ds3> What kind?
Feb 20 03:21:18 <rm_you> as a creator of software, I agree with RMS's ideas
Feb 20 03:21:25 <ds3> holding 3 wires on clip lead gets old quick :D
Feb 20 03:21:36 <GeneralAntilles> ds3, the right kind, I guess.
Feb 20 03:21:38 <GeneralAntilles> Everex?
Feb 20 03:21:48 <ds3> Hmm
Feb 20 03:22:00 <ds3> I am about to recycle an old 286, I should look first
Feb 20 03:22:15 <ds3> GeneralAntilles: did you get JTAG working on the other pins?
Feb 20 03:22:48 <GeneralAntilles> Don't have any JTAG equipment.
Feb 20 03:22:53 <ds3> oh
Feb 20 03:23:03 <GeneralAntilles> Hehe, we're having two different discussions here, I think.
Feb 20 03:23:19 <GeneralAntilles> I got a serial console from my Beagle with a USB-to-serial adaptor plugged into my N800.
Feb 20 03:23:29 <GeneralAntilles> Not a serial console FROM my N800.
Feb 20 03:23:30 <GeneralAntilles> Sorry. ;)
Feb 20 03:24:30 <ds3> OH :PPP
Feb 20 03:24:56 <ds3> the pins on the back near the battery are console, it is just finding the right connector!
Feb 20 03:25:09 <GeneralAntilles> ds3, you'll have to build your own.
Feb 20 03:25:30 <ds3> I was hoping there is a standard one available somewhere
Feb 20 03:25:37 <ds3> anyways... back to dreaming
Feb 20 03:25:40 <GeneralAntilles> Nokia presumably has a custom rig that you set the device into which connects the serial console and the USB pins and likely some sort of power supply.
Feb 20 03:26:07 <GeneralAntilles> A mounting kit like this is the only real solution: http://www.bu3sch.de/n810.php
Feb 20 04:03:10 <r2d2rogers> Stskeeps: Sorry, I'm down with the flu, I'm home and can test when I'm not in bed... PM if you have something I can test for you.
Feb 20 04:23:16 <luke-jr> stupid garage!
Feb 20 04:27:58 * b-man yawns
Feb 20 05:22:44 <neatojones> the latest nm-applet available for mer/ubuntu is broken
Feb 20 05:23:04 <b-man16> hmm
Feb 20 05:23:21 <b-man16> it's working for me..
Feb 20 05:23:24 <neatojones> this morning, I thoguht it was my xubuntu install
Feb 20 05:23:51 <neatojones> bman, which window manager are u using?
Feb 20 05:24:01 <b-man16> metacity
Feb 20 05:24:08 <b-man16> (gnome)
Feb 20 05:24:34 <Macer> hm
Feb 20 05:24:36 <neatojones> I just did a fresh install of mer.  then apt update, upgrade, then dist-upgrade.
Feb 20 05:24:41 <Macer> new fray cd only has 10 songs?
Feb 20 05:24:48 <neatojones> nm-applet wouldn't start
Feb 20 05:24:53 <Macer> these artists nowadays just aren't trying heh
Feb 20 05:24:57 <neatojones> same as xfce
Feb 20 05:25:27 <b-man16> did you have any luck with ubuntu by any chance?
Feb 20 05:25:38 <neatojones> bman, can you apt-get update and see if anew version of network-manager is available for u?
Feb 20 05:25:50 * b-man16 is making an installer
Feb 20 05:26:02 <b-man16> shure
Feb 20 05:26:04 <neatojones> I didn't try it today
Feb 20 05:26:22 <neatojones> but, i was using network-manager-gnome
Feb 20 05:26:37 <neatojones> in hildon and xfce
Feb 20 05:27:14 <neatojones> also, how did you get around gnome-keyring-manager problems
Feb 20 05:27:46 <neatojones> it was running 100% cpu in xfce and no ability to kill it.
Feb 20 05:28:14 <b-man16> 100%? 0_o hmm
Feb 20 05:28:38 <neatojones> stskeeps said they had to include a fix in start-hildon to prevent that.
Feb 20 05:28:54 <neatojones> apparently, it doesn't occur for you...?
Feb 20 05:29:09 <neatojones> it made xfce crawl...so you'd know it
Feb 20 05:29:21 <b-man16> i'm mainly using ubuntu atm
Feb 20 05:29:59 <b-man16> (but i'm not having cpu problems, even with full ubuntu-desktop)
Feb 20 05:30:07 <neatojones> yeah. I wonder if one of their packages causes it, if the rootstrap install doesn't have the problem
Feb 20 05:30:52 <neatojones> xfce was slow with everything imaginable unloaded.  but the keyring manager was going crazy
Feb 20 05:30:53 <b-man16> maemo-launcher?
Feb 20 05:31:12 <neatojones> not sure
Feb 20 05:31:41 <neatojones> i'll try a debootstrap install next to test for it
Feb 20 05:32:14 <b-man16> is it slow with swap enabled?
Feb 20 05:32:23 <neatojones> i'm wanting to compile e17,
Feb 20 05:32:27 <neatojones> yeah
Feb 20 05:32:37 <neatojones> that was a whole other issue
Feb 20 05:33:19 <neatojones> had to fix swap because it has my external and internal devices reversed in ubuntu/mer
Feb 20 05:33:34 <neatojones> mmcblk0p1 was my external
Feb 20 05:33:47 <neatojones> instead of mmcblk1p1
Feb 20 05:34:14 * b-man16 doesn't have that problem, supringly
Feb 20 05:34:23 <neatojones> had to fix it in fstab.
Feb 20 05:34:30 <b-man16> re: suprisingly
Feb 20 05:34:42 <neatojones> I'll see if debootstrapping fixes it
Feb 20 05:34:59 <neatojones> may be a problem with the installer image only
Feb 20 05:36:07 <neatojones> I'm dying to try the e17 illume module...it'll probably suck.  but, Im dying to try it out.  supposedly has a nice onscreen keyboard too
Feb 20 05:36:34 <neatojones> just wish i could get it to compile
Feb 20 05:36:57 <b-man16> what kind of errors are you getting?
Feb 20 05:37:46 <neatojones> said autopoint wasn't installed.
Feb 20 05:37:53 <neatojones> but, it was.
Feb 20 05:38:26 <neatojones> then i discovered automake install problems and could reinstall/ununstall the package
Feb 20 05:38:40 <neatojones> no reconfigure either
Feb 20 05:38:54 <neatojones> I'm gonna try another route
Feb 20 05:39:03 * b-man16 hates those kind of errors - he had the same problem with gtkeyboard
Feb 20 05:40:19 <b-man16> it depended on a non-existent package :P
Feb 20 05:40:35 <neatojones> muh...
Feb 20 05:40:59 <neatojones> so, I'll try another method next time
Feb 20 05:41:17 <b-man16> btw, there's an update for network-manager and network-manager-gnome :)
Feb 20 05:41:26 <neatojones> dont't install
Feb 20 05:41:51 <neatojones> or...download the version you have first to restore
Feb 20 05:42:13 * b-man16 will take note of that ;)
Feb 20 05:42:45 <neatojones> ugh..I don't wanna go to launchpad land
Feb 20 05:43:26 <b-man16> hehe
Feb 20 05:43:50 * b-man16 thinks it's too complicated
Feb 20 05:44:22 <neatojones> pain in the bum
Feb 20 05:44:28 <b-man16> it took me 3 weeks to figure out how to use it ;p
Feb 20 05:44:39 <neatojones> sigh...
Feb 20 05:44:57 <neatojones> could just wait it out... :)
Feb 20 05:45:07 <b-man16> :)
Feb 20 05:46:39 * b-man16 needs to go to bed - g'night
Feb 20 05:47:03 <neatojones> later
Feb 20 06:29:55 <Toba> hey all
Feb 20 06:30:09 <Toba> I can't seem to find any sort of central repository of nokia's maemo applications code
Feb 20 06:30:27 <Toba> I am trying to find out what hildon API the Internet Call application uses to show missed call notifications
Feb 20 06:30:29 <timeless> mxr.maemo.org/diablo ?
Feb 20 06:30:33 * Toba looks there
Feb 20 06:30:48 <timeless> the apps themselves are typically closed
Feb 20 06:30:55 <timeless> however you should be able to find what you need
Feb 20 06:31:07 <timeless> if you really need help finding something, i have a private version which can answer directly
Feb 20 06:31:13 <Toba> timeless: i can't help but wonder, are you working on fennec?
Feb 20 06:31:21 <Toba> the mozilla QDB seems to feature you
Feb 20 06:31:25 <timeless> as a mozilla.org contributor, yes
Feb 20 06:31:29 <Toba> awesome.
Feb 20 06:31:34 <Toba> good work, good luck on that bug.
Feb 20 06:31:36 <timeless> as a Nokian, i'm more of a helper
Feb 20 06:31:37 <Toba> the showstopper that is.
Feb 20 06:31:43 <timeless> hrm
Feb 20 06:31:52 <timeless> no idea which one that is :)
Feb 20 06:32:00 <Toba> something to do with memory
Feb 20 06:32:05 <Toba> I don't know if it effects maemo, I'm thinking not
Feb 20 06:32:14 <Toba> I heard about it via the grapevine
Feb 20 06:32:37 <timeless> http://mxr.maemo.org/diablo/search?string=notification&find=hildon.*h$
Feb 20 06:32:53 <Toba> thanks
Feb 20 06:33:03 <timeless> just a hand written query based on what you described
Feb 20 06:33:42 <Toba> I have this right now
Feb 20 06:33:43 <Toba> hildon.hildon_banner_show_information(self.app, None, string)
Feb 20 06:33:53 <Toba> and that's clearly not what I want, this is for a scheduling app
Feb 20 06:33:55 <timeless> sounds pythony
Feb 20 06:33:59 <Toba> it is python
Feb 20 06:34:08 <timeless> fwiw, i don't claim to speak python :)
Feb 20 06:34:20 <Toba> http://cons.truct.org/projects/psyched.html is what I am porting to hildon/maemo
Feb 20 06:34:21 * timeless has a Hg(.py) patchbomb to send, but...
Feb 20 06:34:28 <Toba> it's working *mostly* now but it's not very well integrated
Feb 20 06:34:40 <Toba> so I don't feel comfortable releasing a version that professes maemo support
Feb 20 06:35:45 <qwerty12_N800> iirc, it's a libnotify thing. internet call is closed but modest, the email client,does the same thing & its code is available.
Feb 20 06:35:57 <timeless> fwiw
Feb 20 06:36:06 <Toba> libnotify doesn't seem to be in the repositories
Feb 20 06:36:06 <timeless> ime, the notification system  fails fairly amusingly
Feb 20 06:36:24 <Toba> oh hold on....
Feb 20 06:36:28 <Toba> timeless: how so?
Feb 20 06:36:43 <timeless> well, a few years ago a bunch of people sent requests to be my friends via google talk
Feb 20 06:36:47 <Toba> I want a) it to hang around until the user dismisses it b) obvious visual cue
Feb 20 06:37:17 <timeless> so every day i look at my tablet it flashes at me to tell me about some fixed time (and no date) when these people (chirp, chrip, chir-, chirp) asked me to be their friends
Feb 20 06:37:33 <timeless> because i haven't dismissed/addressed their requests
Feb 20 06:37:40 <Toba> why did you not dismiss them
Feb 20 06:37:47 <timeless> because i don't know if i know them
Feb 20 06:37:53 <Toba> how is that a failure
Feb 20 06:37:56 <Toba> does it say who it is?
Feb 20 06:38:02 <timeless> not in a way i can understand
Feb 20 06:38:12 <timeless> but the failure is the fixed <time> (not date) field
Feb 20 06:38:14 <Toba> ...that sounds more like a gtalk problem than a notification problem one
Feb 20 06:38:22 <timeless> similarly, sp3000 and my sister have "called" me
Feb 20 06:38:32 <timeless> but the notification doesn't say which <day> they called
Feb 20 06:38:42 <timeless> (chrip, chirp, chrip, chirp, chirp)
Feb 20 06:38:51 <Toba> i'm gonna go ahead and assume that the programmer made a leap
Feb 20 06:38:57 <Toba> and assumed you wouldn't leave it for n days
Feb 20 06:39:05 <Toba> but would rather notice within 24 hours and the ambiguity would not exist
Feb 20 06:39:10 <timeless> fwiw, i complained to them internally before the product shipped
Feb 20 06:39:14 <Toba> huh.
Feb 20 06:39:25 <timeless> i told them this would happen
Feb 20 06:39:30 * timeless can predict the future
Feb 20 06:39:51 <timeless> toba: imagine someone who leaves their device for a weekend
Feb 20 06:40:15 <Toba> oh, I see the issue
Feb 20 06:40:34 <Toba> this isn't an issue for me as the application I am writing pops things up that hte user themself put in
Feb 20 06:40:35 <timeless> heck, every time i launch outlook it tells me about all the events i've missed, typically 6+..
Feb 20 06:40:48 <Toba> I hated that at my last job
Feb 20 06:40:51 <Toba> loathed it
Feb 20 06:40:54 <Toba> outlook is horrid
Feb 20 06:41:06 <timeless> thankfully outlook shows me days / times
Feb 20 06:41:14 <timeless> so i know i missed that 6 days ago and this 7 hours ago
Feb 20 06:41:41 <timeless> anyway, the calendar events could just as easily have been things i created
Feb 20 06:41:45 <timeless> just something to consider
Feb 20 06:42:30 <timeless> http://mxr.maemo.org/diablo/source/hildon-desktop-2.0.18/libhildondesktop/hildon-desktop-notification-manager.h#86
Feb 20 06:42:36 <timeless> i'm assuming that's the one you care about
Feb 20 06:42:53 <timeless> (and no, i'm not checking it against the internal sources)
Feb 20 06:44:14 <qwerty12_N800> that should be a feature request - "have mxr.maemo.org look through internal sources" :p
Feb 20 06:44:20 <Toba> yeah i'm looking at that and hildon_set_notification_persistent
Feb 20 06:44:25 <timeless> qwerty: heh
Feb 20 06:44:50 <Toba> I'm beginning to suspect that the hildon python API is not complete
Feb 20 06:44:53 <timeless> qwerty: since mxr.maemo.org is a selective mirror of a box which has those sources
Feb 20 06:45:32 <qwerty12_N800> so make it unselective! :)
Feb 20 06:49:35 <Toba> oh it's in libhildondesktop not libhildon
Feb 20 06:49:39 <Toba> i feel stupid now
Feb 20 06:50:55 <timeless> toba: heh
Feb 20 06:51:02 <timeless> i think that's *very* clear from mxr :)
Feb 20 06:51:58 <Toba> hence the feeling stupid
Feb 20 06:52:05 <Toba> :p
Feb 20 06:52:56 <timeless> toba: well, as penance, teach people to use mxr.maemo.org :)
Feb 20 06:54:02 * Toba fiddles with his rosaries
Feb 20 06:56:30 <Toba> ok looking at this c header file
Feb 20 06:56:38 <Toba> how would I go from that to knowing where it will be in the python API
Feb 20 06:56:44 <Toba> I'm wandering in the dark into walls here
Feb 20 06:56:45 <timeless> um
Feb 20 06:56:47 <timeless> mxr.maemo.org/garage
Feb 20 06:56:55 <timeless> you should be able to find pymaemo or whatever there :)
Feb 20 06:57:08 <timeless> http://mxr.maemo.org/garage/find?string=pymaemo
Feb 20 06:57:54 <timeless> if it's there, that is
Feb 20 06:57:59 <timeless> and it doesn't seem to be
Feb 20 06:59:03 <timeless> if you pick a file, you can click the blame link to switch to an scm viewer
Feb 20 06:59:24 <timeless> in case i'm missing something which is present in the live repo
Feb 20 06:59:26 <timeless> https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/packages/?root=pymaemo
Feb 20 06:59:29 <timeless> however, i don't think i am
Feb 20 06:59:40 <Toba> i think it's an issue of api mapping
Feb 20 06:59:59 * timeless nods
Feb 20 07:00:02 <Toba> i don't know what process hildon-desktop -> python2.5-hildondesktop takes in munging the imports etc
Feb 20 07:00:10 <Toba> which is confusing me
Feb 20 07:00:19 <timeless> well, assuming you're using pymaemo
Feb 20 07:00:30 <timeless> you can just read it from the mxr.maemo.org/garage links i'm offering :)
Feb 20 07:00:35 <Toba> i'm not even sure what pymaemo is
Feb 20 07:00:49 <timeless> i'm assuming it's the Python for Maemo bindings you're using
Feb 20 07:00:50 <Toba> i'm using python, python2.5-gtk, python2.5-hildon, and python2.5-hildondesktop
Feb 20 07:00:58 * timeless ponders
Feb 20 07:01:01 <timeless> maybe it's different
Feb 20 07:01:06 <Toba> maybe i should be doing something different than this?
Feb 20 07:01:13 <Toba> I have no idea, I didn't want to completely munge the code
Feb 20 07:01:22 <Toba> I'm trying to make the same codebase continue to run on a normal gtk system
Feb 20 07:01:27 * timeless nods
Feb 20 07:01:28 <timeless> try
Feb 20 07:01:29 <Toba> without exploding or making too huge a patchset
Feb 20 07:01:32 <timeless>    die
Feb 20 07:01:33 <timeless> except
Feb 20 07:01:34 <timeless> :)
Feb 20 07:01:36 <Toba> yeah
Feb 20 07:01:46 <Toba> i'm doing that in psyched_notify.py
Feb 20 07:01:55 <timeless> http://mxr.maemo.org/garage/source/pyphantom/www/pyphantom/
Feb 20 07:02:00 <Toba> I'm just using the wrong hildon api for notifications
Feb 20 07:02:03 <timeless> maybe it's python-hildondesktop?
Feb 20 07:02:06 <Toba> it is
Feb 20 07:02:13 <Toba> but i don't know what to import inside that
Feb 20 07:02:14 * timeless wonders where that comes from
Feb 20 07:02:18 * Toba has no idea
Feb 20 07:02:41 <timeless> http://mxr.maemo.org/garage/source/pyphantom/www/index.html?raw=1
Feb 20 07:02:44 <timeless> interesting
Feb 20 07:02:58 <Toba> 0.0.2-2 (/var/lib/apt/lists/repository.maemo.org_extras_dists_diablo_free_binary-armel_Packages) (/var/lib/dpkg/status)
Feb 20 07:03:09 <Toba> that's where it comes from, it seems
Feb 20 07:03:12 <timeless> it's not the right thing
Feb 20 07:03:15 * timeless shrugs
Feb 20 07:03:16 <Toba> it's not?
Feb 20 07:03:24 <Toba> shit.
Feb 20 07:03:26 <timeless> pyphantom is an IDE to help developers create Python plug-ins for Hildon Desktop. It is completely developed in Python with pygtk, gtksourceview and libhildondesktop. It is hosted under Maemo Garage.
Feb 20 07:03:40 <Toba> I'm not using pyphantom
Feb 20 07:03:45 <Toba> so I assume this is a good thing?
Feb 20 07:03:53 <timeless> well
Feb 20 07:04:12 <timeless> i think the problem is that whomever runs python for maemo isn't in garage
Feb 20 07:04:31 <Toba> what is this 'python for maemo' is it a special port of python to the maemo platform
Feb 20 07:04:40 <Toba> or a module for using the maemo platform from python
Feb 20 07:04:57 * timeless shrugs
Feb 20 07:05:04 <timeless> i don't really do anything w/ python
Feb 20 07:05:07 <Toba> I think I'll just jump back in and see what the hell I can find
Feb 20 07:05:42 <slonopotamus> Toba, maemo uses patched python
Feb 20 07:06:01 <Toba> I figured it would, for some reason
Feb 20 07:06:05 <Toba> for one, it doesn't have the help function
Feb 20 07:06:15 <Toba> so that's clearly not stock
Feb 20 07:06:53 <timeless> that's probably for space reasons
Feb 20 07:07:16 <Toba> yeah 256 megs isn't space to be using on documentation
Feb 20 07:07:19 <Toba> hence the no manapges
Feb 20 07:13:08 <qwerty12> ~nuke libtoool
Feb 20 07:13:09 * infobot_ prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at libtoool ... B☢☢M!
Feb 20 07:54:04 <Stskeeps> Toba: still around?
Feb 20 07:54:10 <Toba> yeah
Feb 20 07:54:14 <Toba> what's up?
Feb 20 07:54:52 <Stskeeps> Toba: you want python-hildondesktop bindings for normal OS'es?
Feb 20 07:55:14 <Toba> no
Feb 20 07:55:17 <L0cutus> giorno
Feb 20 07:55:24 <Stskeeps> ah, then i misread
Feb 20 07:55:26 <Toba> I only need it in maemo
Feb 20 07:55:34 <Toba> but I need to find out how to do a persistent notification using it
Feb 20 07:55:38 <Toba> and I can't seem to find it in there
Feb 20 08:42:24 <Corsac> qwerty12: the device should be in R&D mode PLUS having the no-reset R&D flag, correct?
Feb 20 08:42:50 <qwerty12> Corsac, if you have the no-reset flag enabled, rd-mode gets enabled automatically
Feb 20 08:43:25 <Corsac> ok
Feb 20 08:44:43 <Corsac> http://molly.corsac.net/~corsac/xfce/n810/ btw
Feb 20 08:45:03 <aquatix> Corsac: nice
Feb 20 08:45:22 <aquatix> that looks quite usable
Feb 20 08:45:34 <Corsac> it's with the “easy-debian” chroot
Feb 20 08:45:43 <Corsac> it's usable but there are keyboard issues
Feb 20 08:46:12 <Corsac> qwerty12: mpf, I've re-checked out a config.mtd with no-reset-flag and I still can't see any display :/
Feb 20 08:46:32 <X-Fade> Morning.
Feb 20 08:46:33 <Stskeeps> Corsac: could probably draw inspiration from Debian beta3 scrshots
Feb 20 08:47:30 <Corsac> Stskeeps: Debian beta3 ?
Feb 20 08:47:55 <Stskeeps> Corsac: the original interface for one of the debian for NITs release was xfce-based
Feb 20 08:48:04 <Stskeeps> you can probably find screenshots somewhere
Feb 20 08:48:08 <Corsac> ok
Feb 20 08:48:15 <qwerty12> Corsac, worked for me a long time ago: http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/screenies/Screenshot-1.png  :/
Feb 20 08:48:53 <Corsac> wow, with -M n800 it seems to work
Feb 20 08:49:09 <Corsac> I get the bootloader screen at least
Feb 20 08:49:39 <Corsac> Stskeeps: well, I'm the Debian Xfce maintainer so yeah that would interest me :)
Feb 20 08:49:47 <qwerty12> N800's a better model to use, using a emulated N810 keyboard is the worst shit ever
Feb 20 08:50:22 <Stskeeps> Corsac: try prod johnx about it when he's around
Feb 20 08:50:43 <Corsac> mpf, it seems stuck at bootloader, but I don't really have the correct kernel and rootfs for n800 anyway
Feb 20 08:51:01 <qwerty12> they're really the same - i've flashed a n810 rootfs onto my N800
Feb 20 08:51:01 <Stskeeps> Corsac: http://trac.tspre.org/projects/deblet has screenshots of deblets xfce
Feb 20 08:51:14 <qwerty12> Minus documentation and minor things
Feb 20 08:51:24 <Stskeeps> well, a bastard combination of xfce and matchbox wm..
Feb 20 08:51:28 <Corsac> qwerty12: ok so maybe it's just stuck at the same place on both but at least with -M n810 it shows something
Feb 20 08:51:32 <Corsac> n800 I mean
Feb 20 08:51:58 <qwerty12> Corsac, I've got a few hours, I'll try setting this up again and letting you know how it goes
Feb 20 08:52:34 <Corsac> thanks
Feb 20 08:53:19 <Corsac> should I be able to combine a config.mtd with other images (for example the qemu img I created for debian armel)?
Feb 20 08:53:23 <Corsac> or a mer image?
Feb 20 08:53:55 <qwerty12> should work, after all, it's just a poky tool - i'd assume it's intended for general use :)
Feb 20 08:54:47 <Corsac> rootfs_offset=2304 # chinook
Feb 20 08:54:54 <Corsac> #rootfs_offset=3328 # diablo
Feb 20 08:54:56 <Corsac> wow.
Feb 20 08:55:00 <Corsac> that might be a problem :)
Feb 20 08:55:31 <qwerty12> yeah, gets shifted due to the initfs being bigger, but you should change that (and in the qemu source too somewhere :P)
Feb 20 08:56:02 <Jaffa> Morning, all
Feb 20 08:56:54 <X-Fade> Morning, Jaffa.
Feb 20 08:57:10 * Stskeeps ponders where on earth people get the misconception Mer is a Ubuntu effort
Feb 20 08:57:11 <Corsac> I didn't rebuild qemu
Feb 20 08:57:25 <Corsac> Stskeeps: so you can justify asking money to marks
Feb 20 08:58:17 <Stskeeps> heh
Feb 20 08:58:18 <Corsac> ok, without a patched qemu I'm basically doomed
Feb 20 08:58:29 <Stskeeps> Corsac: it is fairly easy and fast to build qemu head
Feb 20 09:00:49 <qwerty12> Corsac, you'll wanna patch with http://marcin.juszkiewicz.com.pl/download/presentations/20080920-maemo-summit/diablo.patch definitely
Feb 20 09:00:53 <Corsac> yeah but I don't really like ok
Feb 20 09:01:28 <Corsac> will check that, but diverting from packages is not that much a good idea
Feb 20 09:01:30 <Corsac> when possible :)
Feb 20 09:01:39 <Stskeeps> qwerty12: think it is in qemu HEAD now
Feb 20 09:01:49 <Corsac> I have qemu-0.9.1+svn20090104
Feb 20 09:01:54 <qwerty12> Stskeeps, nope. Just checked it out and it's still the old values.
Feb 20 09:03:15 <Corsac> rebuilding
Feb 20 09:03:43 <Corsac> now that won't solve my other problem, with no kernel/initrd to boot my debian-armel partition :/
Feb 20 09:04:00 * qwerty12 has only used it to boot maemon
Feb 20 09:04:02 <qwerty12> -n
Feb 20 09:04:10 <Corsac> even with -M volatileab
Feb 20 09:04:16 <Corsac> I've installed the debian yesterday
Feb 20 09:05:00 <Corsac> but in the end it said “I didn't install any bootloader, so deal with it yourself”
Feb 20 09:23:07 <X-Fade> timeless: ping.
Feb 20 09:25:57 <timeless> pong
Feb 20 09:37:15 <Broken_> hey all
Feb 20 09:45:27 <Broken_> anyone around?
Feb 20 09:45:33 <Broken_> echo echo echo
Feb 20 09:45:41 <Stskeeps> nop
Feb 20 09:46:06 <RST38h> moo all
Feb 20 09:46:32 <qwerty12> hi RST38h
Feb 20 09:47:40 <RST38h> heya qwerty
Feb 20 09:48:06 <jaem> hello and goodnight
Feb 20 09:53:30 <X-Fade> thopiekar: Can you tell jeremiah what the problem is with your latest uploads?
Feb 20 09:55:07 <thopiekar> jeremiah: hi first of all.. I've uploaded some sources to "extras" with the Maemo Extras Assistant.. and I just want to know when the packages will be available on extras-repo.. could you please help me?
Feb 20 09:55:49 <X-Fade> thopiekar: And the xorg upload?
Feb 20 09:56:09 <thopiekar> aahh
Feb 20 09:56:11 <thopiekar> ok
Feb 20 09:56:19 <thopiekar> this problem..
Feb 20 09:56:57 <jeremiah> I am all ears :)
Feb 20 09:57:15 <qwerty12> jeremiah, is XSBC-Original-Maintainer correct or Original-Maintainer?
Feb 20 09:57:45 <jeremiah> qwerty12: You mean in the control file?
Feb 20 09:57:50 <qwerty12> yep :)
Feb 20 09:58:10 <qwerty12> because I've seen XSBC-Original-Maintainer recommended but there's an oddity
Feb 20 09:58:22 <jeremiah> I don't think it really matters,
Feb 20 09:58:34 <jeremiah> lintian might complain, but you can ignore that for maemo
Feb 20 09:58:41 <qwerty12> Yeah, I guess it's me being pedantic.
Feb 20 09:58:44 <thopiekar> I uploaded yesterday xorg and there were some meta's in it but I removed them.. they were meta's to some ubuntu drivers...
Feb 20 09:58:46 <thopiekar> :)
Feb 20 09:58:53 <jeremiah> qwerty12: Which is good, don't get me wrong! :)
Feb 20 09:59:06 <qwerty12> Hehe :)
Feb 20 09:59:07 * thopiekar is working on a newer debhelper version..
Feb 20 09:59:45 <X-Fade> thopiekar: streamripper is in extras-devel?
Feb 20 09:59:45 <jeremiah> thopiekar: You are working on a version of debhelper? Or a version of your package made with debhelper?
Feb 20 10:00:08 <thopiekar> X-Fade: shouldn't it be in extras?
Feb 20 10:00:22 <X-Fade> thopiekar: Not if you don't promote it?
Feb 20 10:00:47 <thopiekar> how can i promote packages?!
Feb 20 10:00:58 <qwerty12> ~upload-extras
Feb 20 10:00:59 <thopiekar> I haven't permissions for that..
Feb 20 10:00:59 <infobot_> rumour has it, upload-extras is http://wiki.maemo.org/Uploading_to_Extras
Feb 20 10:01:11 <X-Fade> thopiekar: Sure you do.
Feb 20 10:01:38 <thopiekar> jeremiah: .. working on a newer version of debhelper actually :)
Feb 20 10:01:59 <jeremiah> hmm, okay.
Feb 20 10:02:17 <jeremiah> Which part? It is lots of little programs
Feb 20 10:02:43 <jeremiah> And written in perl, while maemo is more python-centric
Feb 20 10:02:46 <thopiekar> jeremiah: i'm working on the xserver things..
Feb 20 10:03:08 <jeremiah> specifically what?
Feb 20 10:03:33 <Stskeeps> thopiekar: .. that sounds like a dangerous path O_o
Feb 20 10:03:34 <thopiekar> jeremiah: I was working on that last night..
Feb 20 10:03:50 <thopiekar> now its 11:03
Feb 20 10:03:51 <thopiekar> ^^
Feb 20 10:04:08 <thopiekar> .. "Please make sure your package is ready for the masses and at least test: ".. silly without having a tablet atm..
Feb 20 10:04:13 <jeremiah> thopiekar: Ah, an all night hacking session? =)
Feb 20 10:04:14 <qwerty12> Stskeeps, not so much when sbox overrides it...
Feb 20 10:04:19 <qwerty12> (thankfully)
Feb 20 10:04:24 <Stskeeps> qwerty12: well considering how much chaos tz1's stuff caused..
Feb 20 10:04:25 <thopiekar> jeremiah: hehe yes..
Feb 20 10:04:55 <qwerty12> Stskeeps, how many people have debhelper installed on their tablets? It's not carried in a repo because sbox satisfies it internally.
Feb 20 10:05:11 <Stskeeps> qwerty12: oh, i was speaking of xorg, debhelper sb1 will brutally molest on itself
Feb 20 10:05:32 <qwerty12> heh :)
Feb 20 10:05:40 <jeremiah> Right, which points to the fact that any local changes you make to debhelp thopiekar will not show up when you build in the maemo environment.
Feb 20 10:06:10 * thopiekar is confused in the dependences-"tree" of debhelper.. he is making a mindmap now..
Feb 20 10:06:41 <jeremiah> All your debhelper changes will disappear because the package gets built using the maemo tools
Feb 20 10:08:25 <thopiekar> jeremiah: ? Even when I make changes in control ( if needed) and uploading the dependences on Maemo Extras Assistant before?
Feb 20 10:09:10 <jeremiah> The autobuilders do not have your chages to debhelper.
Feb 20 10:09:42 <jeremiah> What package do you want to build for maemo? Maybe we can do that and then incorporate your debhelper changes?
Feb 20 10:09:42 <Stskeeps> but we do see some of the problems of maemo platform :P debhelper is -ancient- :P
Feb 20 10:09:53 <jeremiah> Stskeeps: Oh really?
Feb 20 10:10:12 <jeremiah> I will have to upload a newer one then, see if we can get that into the repos
Feb 20 10:10:21 <qwerty12> yep, we have v5 from the debian-etch sbox devkit
Feb 20 10:10:27 <X-Fade> I wonder what happens if you upload it to extras-devel and then specify the Newer version as Build-Depends for your package?
Feb 20 10:10:27 <Stskeeps> jeremiah: well sadly it isn't that simple, you need to modify the devkit
Feb 20 10:10:35 <Stskeeps> X-Fade: SB will override it anyway
Feb 20 10:10:36 <timeless> qwerty12: so... think you could write my preinst/postrm scripts? :)
Feb 20 10:10:40 <qwerty12> X-Fade, sbox will override it
Feb 20 10:10:59 <thopiekar> jeremiah: hmm I've foregot it btm but I think it was needed for pulseaudio...
Feb 20 10:11:50 <qwerty12> timeless, hmm, I'm not the best scripter :)
Feb 20 10:11:59 <timeless> jeremiah: help :)
Feb 20 10:12:18 <jeremiah> I will work on this today timeless!
Feb 20 10:12:18 <qwerty12> timeless, I know it's not recommended but dpkg-divert worked wonders for me the other day when replacing files...
Feb 20 10:12:23 <jeremiah> I promise.
Feb 20 10:12:55 <jeremiah> I have been trying to get up to speed with the difference between debian and maemo
Feb 20 10:13:10 <timeless> jeremiah: my day on fridays is very short
Feb 20 10:13:52 <jeremiah> timeless: I think I have the zip file and will start working on it immediately after I try to convince thopiekar to get some sleep. :)
Feb 20 10:14:08 <timeless> note that the zip file gets updated daily at times
Feb 20 10:14:12 <timeless> so don't cache it :)
Feb 20 10:14:26 <thopiekar> jeremiah: so I should stop working on that..
Feb 20 10:14:48 <jeremiah> thopiekar: Well, not necessarily. I just think you have done a great deal of work
Feb 20 10:15:08 <jeremiah> and maybe you can refine your goals after you have got a little sleep
Feb 20 10:15:38 <jeremiah> I want to help you out as much as I can, but I know that when I am really tired, after staring at the screen
Feb 20 10:15:40 <thopiekar> :D I've stoped yesterday at 23:59^^
Feb 20 10:15:49 <jeremiah> all night, sleep has a way of clearing my head
Feb 20 10:15:54 <jeremiah> making the work easier.
Feb 20 10:15:55 <X-Fade> BTW if we need a newer debhelper, we could probably push for it in Fremanlte still.
Feb 20 10:16:09 <thopiekar> I had 10h of great sleep
Feb 20 10:16:10 <thopiekar> ^^
Feb 20 10:16:28 <jeremiah> X-Fade: Good point. I will put that down so we can try to get that in
Feb 20 10:16:47 <jeremiah> X-Fade: Where's a good place to make notes like that?
Feb 20 10:16:53 <jeremiah> The sprint wiki?
Feb 20 10:17:27 <X-Fade> Wasn't there a wiki page for it? (#maemo please help me out) :)
Feb 20 10:17:37 <jeremiah> The newest debhelper, dh 7, is a big departure.
Feb 20 10:17:50 <jeremiah> But it makes really clean rules files.
Feb 20 10:17:51 <thopiekar> jeremiah: would debhelper-7.0.13maemo1 be fresh enough for fremantle and diablo?
Feb 20 10:18:01 <jeremiah> thopiekar: Probably.
Feb 20 10:18:16 <jeremiah> thopiekar: Did you package that?
Feb 20 10:18:33 <qwerty12> X-Fade, I think a bug is filed and then added here: http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Maemo_roadmap/Fremantle . Or maybe I'm looking at the wrong page.
Feb 20 10:18:43 <thopiekar> not at the moment..
Feb 20 10:18:58 <thopiekar> but I should be called like that when I've finished my work
Feb 20 10:19:08 <jeremiah> excellent.
Feb 20 10:19:14 <Stskeeps> SDK is really in need of an updated devkit
Feb 20 10:19:22 <qwerty12> & a toolchain
Feb 20 10:19:31 <timeless> qwerty: i'm not entirely opposed to it, but m-vo didn't think it was promising
Feb 20 10:19:46 <qwerty12> I'd like to get aircrack-ng in extras but I can only build it locally in a sbox with a cs2008 toolchain.
Feb 20 10:19:58 <timeless> either way, the process needs to automatically pick filenames and diversions
Feb 20 10:20:05 <qwerty12> timeless, yeah :/
Feb 20 10:20:07 <timeless> any hard coding in the scripts is a disaster
Feb 20 10:20:18 * thopiekar wonders why po4a needs a perl-module..
Feb 20 10:20:31 <timeless> jeremiah/qwerty: there's also the question as to whether i should just have one package
Feb 20 10:20:45 <timeless> i'm trying to model the way packages should be written
Feb 20 10:20:49 <jeremiah> thopiekar: Lots of utilities in debian / ubuntu use perl behind the scenes
Feb 20 10:20:54 <qwerty12> timeless, one package does make it a hell of a lot easier to maintain
Feb 20 10:21:01 <jeremiah> debian is built in perl :P
Feb 20 10:21:19 <timeless> esp to enable my packages to be taken by upstream as replacements for their junk
Feb 20 10:21:22 <jeremiah> timeless: For maemo?
Feb 20 10:22:35 <jeremiah> Having one package is a lot easier to maintain, that is true.
Feb 20 10:23:32 <Stskeeps> maybe one source package and multiple binary packages?
Feb 20 10:23:35 <thopiekar> jeremiah: would it be *ok* removing "libmodule-build-perl" from the control-file?
Feb 20 10:23:49 <qwerty12> timeless, I hope there is a cleaner way than dpkg-divert, I hate to think of the amount of lines you're gonna need in your post/pre scripts. But I'm no expert on dpkg-divert, only used it once :)
Feb 20 10:24:01 <jeremiah> thopiekar: Not if it is required to build
Feb 20 10:24:26 <jeremiah> And I think libmodule-build-perl is pretty fundamental.
Feb 20 10:24:31 <thopiekar> hmm I should test it with dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -sa
Feb 20 10:24:43 <jeremiah> In fact, it is one of the three build tools used in perl
Feb 20 10:24:58 <jeremiah> So I doubt you would be able to remove it.
Feb 20 10:25:35 <jeremiah> thopiekar: Add the -D flag to so you get dependency checking
Feb 20 10:25:44 <thopiekar> ok it fails
Feb 20 10:25:57 <jeremiah> Yep
Feb 20 10:26:38 <timeless> qwerty: i think a single script can be stuck into the locale-support pacakge
Feb 20 10:26:53 <timeless> and then have preinst/postrm just use that script
Feb 20 10:27:05 <timeless> in fact, if it can't be written that way, it's not going to work
Feb 20 10:27:34 <qwerty12> With preinst, remember, it's run before any files are installed
Feb 20 10:27:54 <jeremiah> Yeah, preinst means pre-install.
Feb 20 10:27:57 <jeremiah> :)
Feb 20 10:28:54 <jeremiah> timeless: What are the files at issue? What files do you want to over-write?
Feb 20 10:29:04 <timeless> jeremiah: *all* of them :)
Feb 20 10:29:09 <jeremiah> heh
Feb 20 10:29:15 <timeless> basically each .mo file i distribute
Feb 20 10:29:20 <timeless> or each .txt or .html or .xml or ...
Feb 20 10:29:21 <jeremiah> okay that's easy . . . rm -rf *
Feb 20 10:29:23 <timeless> whatever things
Feb 20 10:29:33 <timeless> jeremiah: the issue is the uninstall case
Feb 20 10:29:38 <timeless> should recover the file i replaced
Feb 20 10:29:40 <jeremiah> timeless: Ah
Feb 20 10:29:47 <timeless> i'm already overwriting the original
Feb 20 10:30:00 <timeless> but per the maemo extras rules, uninstall must not be harmful
Feb 20 10:30:05 <jeremiah> oh I see, now I remember you mentioning something about that.
Feb 20 10:30:26 <jeremiah> So uninstall has to return the user's machine to previous state.
Feb 20 10:30:34 <timeless> yep
Feb 20 10:31:00 <jeremiah> And you are writing _over_ the previous files, so they are gone?
Feb 20 10:31:06 <jeremiah> Can you just re-name them?
Feb 20 10:31:24 <jeremiah> Like to mo.orig? Or foo.xml.orig?
Feb 20 10:33:06 <Stskeeps> morning lcuk
Feb 20 10:33:50 <qwerty12> feeling better?
Feb 20 10:34:56 <lcuk> not really
Feb 20 10:35:00 <qwerty12> damn :(
Feb 20 10:35:20 <lcuk> stopped producing gunk now but cant talk still
Feb 20 10:35:28 <lcuk> mind you, in here thats not a bad thing
Feb 20 10:38:27 <RST38h> moo lcuk
Feb 20 10:39:37 <jeremiah> Okay timeless and thopiekar, I am going to do some work on timeless' package but I should be around.
Feb 20 10:41:08 <timeless> i'm off to lunch
Feb 20 10:52:52 <jeremiah> Off to lunch too, will be back later
Feb 20 10:53:42 <thopiekar> hmm building all needed perl-packages to maemo is crazy, because they have lots of dependences, haven't they jeremiah?.
Feb 20 10:57:08 <slonopotamus> haven't i told you that maemo's perl is patched too? :)
Feb 20 10:59:40 <lcuk> bleugh RST38h
Feb 20 11:01:33 <Stskeeps> thopiekar: and it is often most likely that the perl devkit will mess you up too :P
Feb 20 11:02:13 <thopiekar> :|
Feb 20 11:02:35 * thopiekar hates perl
Feb 20 11:02:55 <Stskeeps> i'd rather say SDK is the more correct target but :)
Feb 20 11:03:18 <lardman> morning all
Feb 20 11:03:35 <Stskeeps> (there's a reason why one of the mini-policies for mer is that scratchbox: it's good for you and me if it can build in scratchbox, but it's alright if it doesn't) :P
Feb 20 11:04:07 <thopiekar> lardman: moin :)
Feb 20 11:04:19 <lardman> hey thopiekar
Feb 20 11:04:33 <thopiekar> Stskeeps: :]
Feb 20 11:04:37 <qwerty12> What about the packages that rely on scratchbox oddities? *Looking wistfully at maemo-xkb-plugin*
Feb 20 11:04:49 <lardman> anyone use voip here? Does GTalk work from tablet <-> PC?
Feb 20 11:04:55 <Stskeeps> qwerty12: those needs to die, i have met those amongst hildon code
Feb 20 11:05:23 <qwerty12> hehe
Feb 20 11:05:41 <thopiekar> Stskeeps: you should definitively work on a interface like Maemo Extras Assistant... :)
Feb 20 11:05:48 <Jaffa> lardman: no, but it works well tablet <-> tablet
Feb 20 11:05:56 <Stskeeps> thopiekar: right now we have scp + ssh, works too :P
Feb 20 11:05:59 <lardman> Jaffa: even just for voice?
Feb 20 11:06:10 <lardman> Jaffa: I mean it doens't work even just for voice?
Feb 20 11:06:23 <Jaffa> lardman: I believe GTalk's desktop video/audio support doesn't use the Jingle XMPP extensions that Google designed.
Feb 20 11:06:26 <Jaffa> BICBW
Feb 20 11:06:36 <lardman> lol
Feb 20 11:06:50 <lardman> so Gizmo or Skype then? Any thoughts on which is better?
Feb 20 11:07:35 <Jaffa> Gizmo's more "standard", but Skype is more prevalent.
Feb 20 11:07:43 <Jaffa> Neither worked very well tablet <-> tablet for me
Feb 20 11:08:22 <lardman> well it's just to phone home, am heading to India next week
Feb 20 11:08:32 <lardman> phone home meaning phone to my PC at home
Feb 20 11:08:40 <lardman> from my tablet
Feb 20 11:08:43 * Stskeeps prefers skype (but have not yet tried the others)
Feb 20 11:08:43 <X-Fade> Used skype while on holiday in Sulawesi, worked OK from my N810.
Feb 20 11:09:02 <thopiekar> Stskeeps: :D
Feb 20 11:09:05 <lardman> is skype free for skype to skype calls?
Feb 20 11:09:14 <X-Fade> lardman: Sure .
Feb 20 11:09:24 <lardman> cool, thanks chaps
Feb 20 11:10:18 <X-Fade> lardman: But give the other party you N800, so you can do video calls. Is really cool when you are far away..
Feb 20 11:10:25 <X-Fade> *your
Feb 20 11:10:27 <timeless> sts: please lemme know how my skype changes feel :)
Feb 20 11:10:33 <lcuk> quantum teleportation
Feb 20 11:10:34 <lardman> yeah, that's a good idea
Feb 20 11:10:50 <Stskeeps> timeless: strings or code alteration
Feb 20 11:11:04 <lardman> X-Fade: if I give my gf the n800 I may not get it back! ;)
Feb 20 11:11:25 <X-Fade> lardman: Well, that is what I did with mine ;)
Feb 20 11:11:39 <lardman> yeah, I had to beg it back to do some dev work on it, ah well
Feb 20 11:12:42 * Stskeeps is giving the gf a 770 when his devel work is done with it
Feb 20 11:12:50 <Stskeeps> with mer installed, obviously
Feb 20 11:12:53 <timeless> strings :)
Feb 20 11:12:56 <lcuk> lardman, ssh overrides local usage
Feb 20 11:13:01 <timeless> skype is officially a third party app
Feb 20 11:13:03 <lardman> I tried that and was told it wasn't fast enough :p
Feb 20 11:13:08 <timeless> so officially i don't see the code :)
Feb 20 11:13:12 <qwerty12> lcuk, offline mode overrides ssh ;)
Feb 20 11:13:21 <lardman> lcuk: good call, I get strange looks when it reboots though :)
Feb 20 11:13:28 <lcuk> but then its not really an internet tablet
Feb 20 11:13:40 <lcuk> lol i get shouted at for starting apps
Feb 20 11:14:07 <qwerty12> apt-get install flite ; echo "whatever" | flite - have fun :)
Feb 20 11:14:10 <lcuk> anyway, goin again
Feb 20 11:14:20 <lcuk> nice to see you all still exist
Feb 20 11:14:49 <lardman> hmm, amazing, some useful info on -users (though it did come from the General, so no wonder): Gizmo can be connected though the rtcomm stuff, I presume that means without their gui stuff?
Feb 20 11:15:04 * thopiekar hates changing the control | changelog file for every dependency .. but he knows thats deb-rule[z]..
Feb 20 11:15:14 <X-Fade> lardman: Yep, then you just use the normal voip interface.
Feb 20 11:15:26 <lardman> ah cool, that sounds good
Feb 20 11:16:43 <thopiekar> how is the shortcut for Friday? Fr or Fri?
Feb 20 11:16:55 <qwerty12> thopiekar, dch -i
Feb 20 11:17:40 <Jaffa> thopiekar: In English, "Fri" would be typical.
Feb 20 11:17:41 <lardman> lcuk: re that multi-touch thing, H&W wires is the same as a usual screen isn't it?
Feb 20 11:17:43 <thopiekar> qwerty12: what does that commend?
Feb 20 11:18:08 <qwerty12> thopiekar, adds a new section to the changelog automatically with the correct date
Feb 20 11:18:38 <thopiekar> woohooo! is it possible to add the text to the command, too?
Feb 20 11:19:18 <qwerty12> It opens in nano, edit whatever there
Feb 20 11:19:23 <thopiekar> like my flowery phrase   "* Repackaged to the architecture armel" ?
Feb 20 11:19:33 <thopiekar> hmm ok
Feb 20 11:23:13 <lcuk> lardman, no, with resistive, there are wires along the edges (4wire, plus occasionally one contact point in the centre (5wire)).  this has a full matrix of || and = over the entire surface
Feb 20 11:24:07 <lardman> hmm, but there must be wires/something conductive along the h & v
Feb 20 11:24:37 <X-Fade> lardman: Open a white page and look at the 'grain'..
Feb 20 11:25:05 <lardman> so is the resistance set by the edges? higher resistance = further along edge?
Feb 20 11:25:17 <lcuk> edges only http://www.elotouch.com/Technologies/compare_resist.asp
Feb 20 11:25:49 <lcuk> X-Fade, the grain on m810 is for a different reason (holes to let light behind for sunlight readability)
Feb 20 11:26:34 <lcuk> but im goin back to bed bbl or something
Feb 20 11:26:36 <X-Fade> lcuk: Ah true..
Feb 20 11:26:39 * lcuk hacks up another lung
Feb 20 11:31:41 <Jaffa> More details on webOS: http://lwn.net/Articles/319819/
Feb 20 11:35:46 <t_s_o> would be interesting if they launched a centro model with webos
Feb 20 11:36:56 <timeless> centro?
Feb 20 11:37:47 <RST38h> t_s_o: can't - no touchscreen
Feb 20 11:37:58 <RST38h> or does it have one?
Feb 20 11:38:34 <RST38h> Jaffa: In other words, it is based on a local webserver
Feb 20 11:38:47 <RST38h> Like Nokia's Personal Web Server
Feb 20 11:39:02 <t_s_o> RST38h: it seems it does, would be kinda hard to use palmos if not ;)
Feb 20 11:39:36 <t_s_o> hmm, i wonder how webos will be impacted by the recent html5 xss issue...
Feb 20 11:40:42 * thopiekar is at the beginning of all dependences.. debhelper > po4a > libmodule-build-perl > perl > gcc | bam! .. he has got no clue what to do now.. maybe jeremiah knows it..
Feb 20 11:40:45 <Jaffa> RST38h: it's the services exposed by the JSON bridge which make it viable (for certain classes of applications)
Feb 20 11:41:05 <Jaffa> thopiekar: what *are* you trying to do (end-goal), and what are you trying to do (currently?)
Feb 20 11:41:40 <thopiekar> bring up a fresh version of debhelper from ubuntu's source-repo..
Feb 20 11:41:57 <thopiekar> lot's of packages of the sdk are too old!
Feb 20 11:43:43 <jeremiah> Yeah, I think I am going to file a bug about the older tools in the sdk
Feb 20 11:43:56 <Jaffa> thopiekar: what feature do you need? Uploading a new debhelper to extras is likely to break other packages
Feb 20 11:43:57 <t_s_o> am i reading it right that a app can include its own service binary?
Feb 20 11:44:49 <qwerty12> jeremiah, you may have to, http://repository.maemo.org/pool/fremantle/free/d/debhelper/ (and this is fremantle) doesn't look promising :)
Feb 20 11:44:56 <qwerty12> Well, the alpha sdk
Feb 20 11:45:27 <thopiekar> Jaffa: might be right but jeremiah said nothing about that..
Feb 20 11:45:49 <thopiekar> qwerty12: the newest version of debhelper on ubuntu is 7.xxx
Feb 20 11:46:09 <qwerty12> i know
Feb 20 11:46:10 <thopiekar> at least for fremantle there should be a upgrade..
Feb 20 11:46:14 <jeremiah> Yeah, depbhelper is 5.0.42 in alpha freemantle, and at least 7 in debian
Feb 20 11:46:43 <Jaffa> Probably too late with the alpha around the corner. I suppose it's *possible* there'd be room in the plan for an unexpected upgrade between the alpha & beta
Feb 20 11:46:47 <jeremiah> thanks for the link qwerty12
Feb 20 11:46:53 <t_s_o> http://www.forevergeek.com/2009/02/laptop_desk_from_floppy_discs/
Feb 20 11:47:21 <Stskeeps> so Palm Pre is basically just a glorified webbrowser? ;)
Feb 20 11:47:33 <jeremiah> Jaffa: Aha. It might be a lot of work to intergrate a new debhelper set of tools.
Feb 20 11:47:41 <qwerty12> t_s_o, http://legocomputer.com/ :>
Feb 20 11:47:53 <Stskeeps> jeremiah: actually it is fairly easy
Feb 20 11:48:08 <Stskeeps> if you know how to do it sanely
Feb 20 11:48:16 <jeremiah> Stskeeps: How do you know? There are so many small tools that it would take a lot of testing to make sure things build
Feb 20 11:48:28 <t_s_o> qwerty12: seems like a "improved" version of something i have seen before (i kinda liked the old one tho as it had more space age parts)
Feb 20 11:48:37 <jeremiah> I think it should work, but testing it would have to be extensive
Feb 20 11:48:38 <Stskeeps> jeremiah: general expression of how scratchbox is built and the scripts in use and patches and so on
Feb 20 11:48:59 <qwerty12> t_s_o, heh, and here's me with my standard HP case :)
Feb 20 11:49:17 <t_s_o> qwerty12: heh, i know the feel
Feb 20 11:49:32 <Stskeeps> jeremiah: (i have actually made a scratchbox devkit with updated stuff for mer :P)
Feb 20 11:49:37 <Stskeeps> .. not debhelper though
Feb 20 11:49:47 <t_s_o> altho i think its maybe 10 years since i last bought a of the shelf desktop system ;)
Feb 20 11:49:59 <jeremiah> I don't doubt you know the scoop, I just mean that one cannot be sure about a new tool
Feb 20 11:50:09 <jeremiah> not breaking everything until you have tested it.
Feb 20 11:50:25 * thopiekar thinks about whether there are any packages like gcc, apt or whatever which are up-to-date ... he thinks not
Feb 20 11:50:29 <jeremiah> That is what I meant by "How do you know"
Feb 20 11:50:41 <t_s_o> sadly its become very hard to find desktop cases that do not look like some building in the red light district...
Feb 20 11:50:45 <Stskeeps> jeremiah: yeah, true
Feb 20 11:50:49 <qwerty12> t_s_o, my first computer (my current HP is my second) was custom. 733MHZ & 128MB ram. As you can see, I needed the upgrade...
Feb 20 11:51:01 <jeremiah> thopiekar: It might be easier to focus on the package that you want to put in extras instead of the tools to do it . . .
Feb 20 11:51:15 <t_s_o> heh, i used a 466Mhz for the longest time...
Feb 20 11:51:29 <thopiekar> jeremiah: might be right..
Feb 20 11:51:34 <t_s_o> i think it had something silly like 300MB ram ;)
Feb 20 11:51:40 <Stskeeps> jeremiah: that is two sides of the same thing (put in extras and tools to do it), as extras require packages to build so you need to get the tools in too :P
Feb 20 11:51:50 <t_s_o> maybe more accuratly around 380MB...
Feb 20 11:51:52 * thopiekar thinks about focusing more on mer in future..
Feb 20 11:52:20 <jeremiah> Stskeeps: That is true.
Feb 20 11:53:01 * qwerty12 generally butchers the rules,control & compat to work under debhelper 5
Feb 20 11:53:42 <Stskeeps> jeremiah: one of the things i was upset(?) about with maemo was the fact you spend more time compiling libraries and tools than actually porting your package :P
Feb 20 11:54:04 <Stskeeps> and hildonizing it
Feb 20 11:54:35 <Stskeeps> jeremiah: (btw, i am not criticising, just trying to share experiences :)
Feb 20 11:54:56 <thopiekar> could someone please test the packages: streamripper, libtre4? I want to promote them to extras..
Feb 20 11:54:58 <jeremiah> Stskeeps: Yeah, I totally understand. And that kind of info is invaluable to know
Feb 20 11:55:19 <jeremiah> But I think there is a balance between a commercially supported tool and a community supported tool
Feb 20 11:55:24 <Stskeeps> yeah, obviously
Feb 20 11:55:34 <jeremiah> And some of the maemo bits we don't control :-/
Feb 20 11:55:41 <jeremiah> But, there is Mer! :)
Feb 20 11:55:46 <Stskeeps> but a thing like this harms the platform
Feb 20 11:56:08 <jeremiah> Stskeeps: I will try to bring that message to the right ears. :)
Feb 20 11:56:46 <jeremiah> But I suspect that if we, or I as debmaster, build a good environment, the powers that be might let us put it in maemo
Feb 20 11:56:50 <Stskeeps> yeah
Feb 20 11:57:54 <X-Fade> Stskeeps: I expect that when we move to something more like a distribution that porting will take less time. As most libs etc will already be available in the repo.
Feb 20 11:58:40 <Stskeeps> *nod*
Feb 20 11:59:47 <jeremiah> We can't forget that there are also space constraints, we are not building a desktop distro, so not every single thing will get in.
Feb 20 12:00:17 <Stskeeps> jeremiah: obviously, libs vs tools though
Feb 20 12:01:17 <Stskeeps> i am kinda inclined to think space may not be too much of a concern in rx-51 but that's me..
Feb 20 12:01:39 <X-Fade> jeremiah: No, but users can decide for themselves if they want to install an app+deps of a certain size. Application Manager will show how large the install will be in toal.
Feb 20 12:01:40 <jeremiah> Stskeeps: Yes, true.
Feb 20 12:01:46 <hahlo> jeremiah: are you from se?
Feb 20 12:02:06 <jeremiah> hahlo: An American who lives in .se (Gothenburg)
Feb 20 12:02:18 <hahlo> ok cool
Feb 20 12:02:19 <X-Fade> Stskeeps: Yeah, anything from a few gigs up is probably fine..
Feb 20 12:03:00 <Stskeeps> oh ffs, why do i always get post when i have to go
Feb 20 12:03:05 <jeremiah> Okay, if space is not a concern, and you guys know more about this than me, then I think we should be tracking debian a little more closely.
Feb 20 12:03:35 <Stskeeps> jeremiah: http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Reconstructed and 'Jaiku | The Deblet Project' is interesting reading
Feb 20 12:03:47 <Stskeeps> (which is what spawned mer. ) :P
Feb 20 12:03:49 <X-Fade> jeremiah: Not saying you can install oo.o with it's deps easily, but yeah ;)
Feb 20 12:03:52 <t_s_o> X-Fade: app manager only does so if one go to details and check the installing tab, iirc. i wish it would show the total next to the list entry, but that could be somewhat harder i guess...
Feb 20 12:04:19 <X-Fade> t_s_o: enhancement request? :)
Feb 20 12:04:26 <RST38h> jeremiah: Nokia usually takes pretty old debian packages and builds on them
Feb 20 12:04:33 <t_s_o> X-Fade: fixed in fremantle?
Feb 20 12:04:43 <Stskeeps> fixed in mer? :P
Feb 20 12:04:44 <X-Fade> t_s_o: Don't ask me..
Feb 20 12:04:52 <lcuk> t_s_o, total would require recalculating after every package change.  it would be slow
Feb 20 12:05:04 <RST38h> jeremiah: Whatever newer packages you build, will probably have to go into MeR rather than Maemo =(
Feb 20 12:05:18 <Jaffa> qwerty12_N800: indeed, that's why mud-builder's got loads of compatibility tweaks
Feb 20 12:05:25 <jeremiah> Good stuff Stskeeps! Maemo Reconstructed is interesting reading.
Feb 20 12:05:37 <t_s_o> lcuk: your probably right. not that its fast already given how it insists on rescanning thing each time one do anything...
Feb 20 12:06:17 <Stskeeps> jeremiah: a lot of this is no longer accurate though
Feb 20 12:06:21 <lcuk> the rescan would be much more, its viable when you click details (apt-get does it as well)
Feb 20 12:06:40 <jeremiah> Hopefully since debian lenny is now stable, newer packages can make their way to Nokia.
Feb 20 12:06:57 * lcuk goes back to truman show
Feb 20 12:07:07 <qwerty12_N800> Jaffa: I really should read up on mud-builder, I usually repack upstream packages manually - mud-builder sounds like it can save a lot of time :)
Feb 20 12:07:27 <RST38h> jeremiah: It does appear more of a political decision, judging from the previous history
Feb 20 12:07:52 <Jaffa> qwerty12_N800: Best way of seeing how it can help is to look at the new vim package. One xml file and a few icons to build an end-user installable and runnable app
Feb 20 12:08:00 <RST38h> Probably having to do with having to test the whole system every time a new package version is imported
Feb 20 12:09:43 <jeremiah> I will say that development targeting these devices is fragmented.
Feb 20 12:09:54 <hahlo> under battery cover reads made in finland but wlan mac informs nokia denmark
Feb 20 12:09:55 <jeremiah> While that is to be expected, it is a little hard to manage
Feb 20 12:10:38 <RST38h> what do you mean by "fragmented"?
Feb 20 12:11:08 <jeremiah> RST38h: Why is there deblet _and_ Mer?
Feb 20 12:11:23 <RST38h> jeremiah: Ah, these are two different projects
Feb 20 12:11:25 <jeremiah> I mean, debian supports armel, why do we need deblet?
Feb 20 12:11:47 <RST38h> jeremiah: Deblet is a way to run Debian apps in chrooted environment from under Maemo
Feb 20 12:12:20 <jeremiah> That sounds more like a feature than an application.
Feb 20 12:12:22 <RST38h> jeremiah: MeR (Maemo REconstructed) is an attempt to make an open distro based on Maemo bits (including proprietary Nokia bits needed to manage table hw)
Feb 20 12:12:23 <Stskeeps> RST38h: er, no
Feb 20 12:13:00 <Stskeeps> jeremiah: Deblet was Debian with packages added to the debian lenny armel port to make it run sanely on tablets
Feb 20 12:13:09 <RST38h> ah
Feb 20 12:13:13 <Stskeeps> Mer is the successor of that project (as RST38h described)
Feb 20 12:13:21 <Stskeeps> jeremiah: we couldn't call it Debian for NITs, obviously
Feb 20 12:13:26 <Stskeeps> as some things were not kosher at all
Feb 20 12:13:39 <RST38h> Well, they TRIED calling it Debian but debian guys protested :)
Feb 20 12:13:50 <jeremiah> Stskeeps: But isn't it just a maemo development environment ported?
Feb 20 12:13:55 <RST38h> On some stupid legal reason
Feb 20 12:14:08 <RST38h> it's not.
Feb 20 12:14:29 <Stskeeps> jeremiah: er, no - maemo development environment is closer to etch i think
Feb 20 12:14:59 <jeremiah> The first line of the deblet project is: "to provide a Debian-based distribution"
Feb 20 12:15:03 <Stskeeps> yeah
Feb 20 12:15:10 <jeremiah> for Nokia tablets
Feb 20 12:15:17 <jeremiah> But debian already provides this.
Feb 20 12:15:53 <Stskeeps> jeremiah: long story short: distributions on internet tablets cannot be taken as-is, you cannot run d-i and so on
Feb 20 12:16:07 <Stskeeps> it cannot even boot sanely without some tricks
Feb 20 12:16:12 <qwerty12_N800> jeremiah: to say arm support = full support for tablet isn't really true
Feb 20 12:16:47 <jeremiah> True, but all the good work you guys did could make its way into debian no?
Feb 20 12:17:02 <jeremiah> And then debian could have proper support for these devices.
Feb 20 12:17:10 <jeremiah> From the people who know them best
Feb 20 12:17:12 <Stskeeps> jeremiah: yes, but deblet stuff is out of date now and some of the tricks wouldn't be kosher at all :/
Feb 20 12:17:20 <jeremiah> Stskeeps: Ah.
Feb 20 12:17:27 <RST38h> jeremiah: Deblet is an older project
Feb 20 12:17:44 <jeremiah> okay, so the new Hotness is Mer and I should ignore deblet?
Feb 20 12:17:47 <Stskeeps> yeah
Feb 20 12:17:48 <RST38h> jeremiah: As to merging MeR into Debian, it is not possible even for legal reasons
Feb 20 12:18:05 <jeremiah> RST38h: What about if you removed the proprietary blobs?
Feb 20 12:18:10 <qwerty12_N800> Ah, but deblet was a little dirty in some of the things it did - it used propritary nokia things for example -not dfsg compliant for sure :)
Feb 20 12:18:17 <RST38h> jeremiah: Then it will not work on the tablet
Feb 20 12:18:19 <Stskeeps> RST38h: what about legal reasons? we have a fully free base system :P
Feb 20 12:18:27 <hahlo> Stskeeps: could somebody port pure debian for tablets?
Feb 20 12:18:27 <qwerty12_N800> and I type too slow evidently :)
Feb 20 12:18:33 <Stskeeps> hahlo: that was deblet..
Feb 20 12:18:35 <RST38h> Sts: Yes but it won't work on the tablet :)
Feb 20 12:18:50 <Stskeeps> RST38h: sure it would, but it would be irritating to use..
Feb 20 12:19:03 <RST38h> Sts: In my definition, it is called "won't work"
Feb 20 12:19:07 <jeremiah> RST38h: So to run / boot / use the tablet, you need proprietary Nokia blobs
Feb 20 12:19:15 <RST38h> jeremiah: yes
Feb 20 12:19:19 <Stskeeps> not entirely correct
Feb 20 12:19:24 <hahlo> but the way debian do officially?
Feb 20 12:19:31 <Stskeeps> hahlo: no, not a official debian way
Feb 20 12:19:35 <Stskeeps> it is debian armel with packages on top
Feb 20 12:19:37 <hahlo> ok
Feb 20 12:19:40 <RST38h> Sts: you need the proprietary stuff to use the tablet
Feb 20 12:19:41 <jeremiah> Stskeeps: Are you aiming for a complete free software version for the tablet?
Feb 20 12:19:55 <RST38h> that is exactly what he is aiming at ;)
Feb 20 12:20:11 <qwerty12_N800> Stskeeps: practicaly, let's be honest, you do
Feb 20 12:20:16 <RST38h> integrating this stuff into debian proper is kinda non-goal
Feb 20 12:20:37 <Stskeeps> jeremiah: for Mer, we target a fully free base system. There might be HW support and "added value" by Nokia.
Feb 20 12:20:46 <RST38h> it may be ideologically nice, but none of us profit from it as end users
Feb 20 12:21:06 <jeremiah> is
Feb 20 12:21:08 <Stskeeps> jeremiah: but i am not delusional and thinking that we will get a 100% free 100% functioning tablet system
Feb 20 12:21:18 <Stskeeps> on this hardware
Feb 20 12:21:44 <RST38h> Sts: But that IS the goal. Otherwise, you are creating a system that nobody will use
Feb 20 12:22:01 <RST38h> Sts: Except for diehards fans willing to live with a semifunctional devices
Feb 20 12:22:28 <jeremiah>  debian struggles with this issue of "Free" themselves
Feb 20 12:22:52 <jeremiah> There are firmware blobs that debian does not have the source for
Feb 20 12:23:00 <jeremiah> this goes against the dfsg
Feb 20 12:23:07 <RST38h> Well, Debian is very ideological about it
Feb 20 12:23:08 <jeremiah> and causes lots of fighting.
Feb 20 12:23:21 <RST38h> MeR is not, unless Sts thinks otherwise of course :)
Feb 20 12:23:24 <jeremiah> Yes, they are ideological, and they should be.
Feb 20 12:23:41 <Stskeeps> RST38h: misunderstand me correctly for a sec :) Mer, as in everything that is portable (hildon, ubuntu base system, mer scripts) will be 100% free and fully adaptable to other hardware. Like, on PCs, there might be firmware (BME, WLAN/Bluetooth firmware), which is closed, to support the hardware
Feb 20 12:23:42 <jeremiah> Or at least I think they should be. :)
Feb 20 12:24:07 <RST38h> Sts: Well, you do want to support the hardware, no? :)
Feb 20 12:24:19 <Stskeeps> RST38h: yes, which the community firmware image deal is about..
Feb 20 12:24:31 <RST38h> Sts: If we set "support hardware = TRUE" then we get "proprietary blobs = TRUE"
Feb 20 12:24:36 <Stskeeps> and also, there might be an opening from Nokia to allow Mer to merge Mer base system + HW support + optional Nokia-owned software, for tablet users
Feb 20 12:24:58 <Stskeeps> and that is fair, in my honest opinion
Feb 20 12:25:09 <glass> thats pretty fair
Feb 20 12:25:14 <RST38h> yep
Feb 20 12:25:40 <Stskeeps> for the die-hard OSS people, and you're ok with NOLO being closed, you can still run Mer, but it will lack HW interfacing (wifi, battery, etc)
Feb 20 12:25:55 <Stskeeps> on the tablets, that is
Feb 20 12:26:12 <Stskeeps> but noone stops you from taking Mer as it is, and move it to other hardware, change, alter, under the licensing conditions
Feb 20 12:26:28 <Stskeeps> so that's how it looks :P
Feb 20 12:26:35 * RST38h would like wifi, battery, etc =)
Feb 20 12:26:40 <RST38h> Who wouldn't?
Feb 20 12:27:15 <Stskeeps> and agreeing to a license like you do when you download from tablets-dev.nokia.com to get a image that is Mer + HW + (optional stuff).. that is good enough for me
Feb 20 12:27:32 <Stskeeps> since you can grab the Mer stuff outside of that licensing
Feb 20 12:28:17 <jeremiah> I wish I had never discovered this channel.
Feb 20 12:28:26 <Stskeeps> jeremiah: takes too much of your time? :P
Feb 20 12:28:30 <RST38h> too late
Feb 20 12:28:31 <jeremiah> It's too interesting, can't get any work done!
Feb 20 12:28:34 <Stskeeps> ideally a downloadable package or redistribution rights of the FW would be better, but for now, we have to play by the rules
Feb 20 12:28:37 <jeremiah>  =)
Feb 20 12:29:00 <Stskeeps> jeremiah: i'd almost say it is part of your work, but hey :P
Feb 20 12:29:13 <jeremiah> Stskeeps: I think you're right actually. :)
Feb 20 12:29:19 <qwerty12_N800> jeremiah: I now get to sleep much later as I stay awake chatting here :P
Feb 20 12:29:34 <jeremiah> qwerty12_N800: heh.
Feb 20 12:29:41 <jeremiah> qwerty12_N800: Where are you located in RL?
Feb 20 12:30:02 <jeremiah> Stskeeps: I think we will slowly see more firmware relased as free software.
Feb 20 12:30:09 <qwerty12_N800> jeremiah: Oh, I'm in London :)
Feb 20 12:30:42 <jeremiah> qwerty12_N800: London rocks.
Feb 20 12:31:36 <qwerty12_N800> Yep, except for the East part which is where I live :D, pretty boring in this parr. But Central London is great :D
Feb 20 12:31:43 <qwerty12_N800> s/parr/part/
Feb 20 12:31:43 <infobot_> qwerty12_N800 meant: Yep, except for the East part which is where I live :D, pretty boring in this part. But Central London is great :D
Feb 20 12:32:29 <lardman> and there's some terrible music there too ;p
Feb 20 12:32:57 <qwerty12_N800> haha
Feb 20 12:33:21 <qwerty12_N800> Gonna take the album with you to India? :p
Feb 20 12:33:48 <lardman> yeah definitely, though engine drone might sound better :p
Feb 20 12:34:10 <qwerty12_N800> lol :D
Feb 20 12:35:53 <jeremiah> Okay! No one say anything interesting or talk about cool things, I'm trying to stay focused in my text editor!
Feb 20 12:39:05 * Stskeeps dl's Mer to his 770 MMC
Feb 20 12:39:35 * lardman writes code to detect zero crossings
Feb 20 12:40:47 <derf> lardman: What are you up to these days?
Feb 20 12:59:38 <lardman> derf: sorry, had to pop to lab, am doing thermographic analysis work still
Feb 20 13:00:09 <lardman> and shearographic for that matter
Feb 20 13:00:46 <derf> Sounds like a party.
Feb 20 13:01:35 <suihkulokki> does someone use succesfully garage git repos?
Feb 20 13:01:43 <lardman> well it's quite interesting, but they I like DSP programming so who am I to talk ;)
Feb 20 13:01:48 <lardman> s/they/then
Feb 20 13:01:56 <lardman> food time
Feb 20 13:02:21 <X-Fade> suihkulokki: Looks like it? https://git.maemo.org/projects//gitweb
Feb 20 13:02:22 <derf> I was not being facetious (for once)!
Feb 20 13:03:54 <suihkulokki> on git push, I just get:
Feb 20 13:03:55 <suihkulokki> error: Cannot access URL https://git.maemo.org/projects/projectname/, return code 35
Feb 20 13:04:15 <X-Fade> suihkulokki: https error probably.
Feb 20 13:05:15 <X-Fade> suihkulokki: Or do you need to use a proxy?
Feb 20 13:05:27 <suihkulokki> proxy, da
Feb 20 13:05:36 <X-Fade> try setting the https_proxy env var.
Feb 20 13:06:03 <suihkulokki> allways set
Feb 20 13:07:01 <X-Fade> suihkulokki: Stupid question, but you changed projectname to your project, did you? :)
Feb 20 13:07:16 <suihkulokki> ok, being outside proxy makes push proceed
Feb 20 13:07:25 <suihkulokki> X-Fade: yeah :)
Feb 20 13:08:26 <suihkulokki> now I need to figure out insist remote repo to forget whatevet there was (the welcom file) with my tree
Feb 20 13:09:01 <X-Fade> suihkulokki: That file used to name your project..
Feb 20 13:10:51 <suihkulokki> I have a existing project, with a existing upstream history, which I'd all like to keep when publishing at garage
Feb 20 13:10:58 <suihkulokki> how do I proceed? :)
Feb 20 13:12:54 <X-Fade> suihkulokki: Shoot a mail to garage at maemo, Ferenc can probably help you out with everything related to git.
Feb 20 13:20:28 <suihkulokki> git is using http dav, which corporate proxy doesn't like
Feb 20 13:40:18 <suihkulokki> X-Fade: could https://git.maemo.org/ be made a redirect to https://git.maemo.org/projects//gitweb ?
Feb 20 13:41:32 <suihkulokki> the solution to my problem was just merge the existing repo in garage - git will happily do that even if there is no common history
Feb 20 14:15:18 <suihkulokki> FRSFile Name Should Be in This Example Format: gforge-3.0.tar.bz2
Feb 20 14:22:05 <suihkulokki> didn't like a '+' character in a filename
Feb 20 14:33:34 <t_s_o> heh, men people are comparing the future tablet with duke nukem forever, you know they are becoming restless...
Feb 20 14:35:16 <GeneralAntilles> lardman|lunch. . . .
Feb 20 14:35:34 <GeneralAntilles> t_s_o, alternatively: idiotic.
Feb 20 14:36:19 <GeneralAntilles> X-Fade, we need to fix the Extras descriptions in the invitation emails/garage/assistant.
Feb 20 14:36:43 <Corsac> mpf, qemu takes ages to build :/
Feb 20 14:37:10 <X-Fade> GeneralAntilles: -ENOTIME
Feb 20 14:37:24 <X-Fade> GeneralAntilles: But I agree ;)
Feb 20 14:45:28 <GeneralAntilles> A s/maemo.org Extras/Extras/g and s/maemo Extras/Extras/g on maemo.org would be good.
Feb 20 14:45:29 <kozak|work> HI StsKeeps got an issue on maemo SDK. Am not able to open the browser
Feb 20 14:45:56 <StsN801> sdk doesn't include a browser?
Feb 20 14:46:04 <kozak|work> oh ok
Feb 20 14:46:42 <StsN801> sdk is just an accelerator/cross compiler so
Feb 20 14:46:47 <kozak|work> Good to know... we are trying to put a stipped down version of the browser! how do do network configuration for that then?
Feb 20 14:46:49 <X-Fade> GeneralAntilles: Don't you think that maemo.org Extras points to the community repository?
Feb 20 14:47:06 <Corsac> n801? :)
Feb 20 14:47:08 <X-Fade> GeneralAntilles: To make it clearer?
Feb 20 14:48:06 <StsN801> kozak|work, you can probably build directly on beagleboard
Feb 20 14:48:42 <kozak|work> :) oh cool dont have the BB at work! :( got to try it the PC
Feb 20 14:48:44 <wazd_n800> hello everybody)
Feb 20 14:51:23 <kozak|work> Any network settings that could be done on the PC?
Feb 20 14:52:26 <StsN802> kozak|work, then try stripping down the x86 vmdk version first and recompile on beagleboard at home
Feb 20 14:52:38 <StsN802> i guess
Feb 20 14:52:54 <kozak|work> :D
Feb 20 14:54:25 <kozak|work> is it possible to open a console to the SDK?
Feb 20 14:55:11 <StsN802> are we talking about scratchbox sdk?
Feb 20 14:55:22 <kozak|work> Yep
Feb 20 14:55:58 <StsN802> not really. /scratchbox/login is closest you get
Feb 20 14:56:06 <kozak|work> wooo
Feb 20 14:59:55 <kozak|work> ok let me try from home
Feb 20 14:59:57 <kozak|work> thanks sts
Feb 20 15:02:46 <GeneralAntilles> X-Fade, dunno, maybe.
Feb 20 15:04:42 <GAN800> I'm pushing for Nokia to use just 'Extras' on the device, though.
Feb 20 15:05:28 <Khertan> Hello !
Feb 20 15:05:46 <X-Fade> GeneralAntilles: Well, it is clear for me. Don't know about end-users.
Feb 20 15:06:11 <Khertan> i've try Mer 0.8 ... and what i can say ... do not try to install advanded-power and hometools ...
Feb 20 15:06:25 <Khertan> python2.5-cairo // python-cairo ... conflict
Feb 20 15:06:26 <Khertan> :)
Feb 20 15:06:39 <Meizirkki> Khertan, both are working for me :P
Feb 20 15:07:05 <Khertan> ?
Feb 20 15:08:38 <qwerty12_N800> advanced-power needs closed source hald-addon-bme anyway, which cannot be redistributed outside of nokia
Feb 20 15:09:56 <Khertan> hum ... how can i fix my problem with conflict in python2.5-cairo and python-cairo
Feb 20 15:10:13 <Khertan> remove say to use apt-get -f install to fix dependancy problem
Feb 20 15:10:28 <Khertan> and -f install try to install it
Feb 20 15:10:38 <Khertan> but i just want to remove one of them
Feb 20 15:16:42 <thopiekar> jeremiah: there?
Feb 20 15:20:14 <thopiekar> X-Fade: there?
Feb 20 15:22:03 <wazd_n800> dude! It's friday!
Feb 20 15:22:25 <wazd_n800> I thought saturday
Feb 20 15:23:36 <aquatix> oops
Feb 20 15:24:19 <Khertan> Meizirkki: so you don't have python-cairo conflict ?
Feb 20 15:25:39 <Meizirkki> Khertan: i didn't have any problems, but i cannot confirm it now, because my tablet is being repaired
Feb 20 15:26:08 <Meizirkki> HAM is stupid anyway, it doesn't care about conflicts :(
Feb 20 15:27:20 <thopiekar> does anyone of you know how to fix that? http://pastebin.com/d27fa9fe5
Feb 20 15:28:16 <thopiekar> the repacking of libcrack works fine but it needs the inet, which isn't accessable in sb1
Feb 20 15:29:12 <thopiekar> s/n't accessable/inaccessible/
Feb 20 15:29:12 <infobot_> thopiekar meant: the repacking of libcrack works fine but it needs the inet, which isinaccessible in sb1
Feb 20 15:29:25 <thopiekar> thanks infobot  :D
Feb 20 15:29:25 <infobot_> bitte, thopiekar
Feb 20 15:29:37 <thopiekar> woo he knows that i'm german
Feb 20 15:29:48 <thopiekar> nice one infobot :D
Feb 20 15:29:49 <Khertan> HAM is stupid anyway, it doesn't care about conflicts  << i ve used apt-get
Feb 20 15:29:52 <Khertan> not better
Feb 20 15:30:00 <lardman> internet is accessible in sb1
Feb 20 15:30:12 <lardman> at least it is for me
Feb 20 15:30:41 <thopiekar> lardman: sure? but in case of http://pastebin.com/d27fa9fe5 it isn't..
Feb 20 15:30:44 <thopiekar> *for me
Feb 20 15:31:22 <lardman> hmm
Feb 20 15:31:29 <lardman> can you wget things in sb1?
Feb 20 15:31:42 <thopiekar> mom i will try it..
Feb 20 15:32:09 <thopiekar> * give me a file...
Feb 20 15:32:15 <lardman> it does say "connection refused" I wonder if that's real, or it just assumes that if it fails for whatever reason...?
Feb 20 15:32:25 <thopiekar> ok have one mom
Feb 20 15:32:52 <thopiekar> wget works..
Feb 20 15:33:04 <thopiekar> but isn't it provided by sb1..
Feb 20 15:33:10 <lardman> ah well, no idea then, unless the site is down
Feb 20 15:33:17 <lardman> or broken
Feb 20 15:33:26 <thopiekar> one of these overwritings..
Feb 20 15:33:58 <thopiekar> with wget it's working..
Feb 20 15:34:30 <thopiekar> I think it's like I said just these overwritings of some apps are working..
Feb 20 15:34:42 <lardman> permissions thing?
Feb 20 15:34:53 <thopiekar> don't think so..
Feb 20 15:35:43 <thopiekar> lardman: sb1 is working well.. I've repacked lots of packages atm...
Feb 20 15:36:56 <lardman> good good :)
Feb 20 15:37:15 <thopiekar> ;)
Feb 20 15:40:02 <thopiekar> where should I fill in the content of docbookx.dtd?
Feb 20 15:40:26 <thopiekar> can you read it out from the log, lardman?
Feb 20 15:41:09 <jeremiah> hello
Feb 20 15:41:16 <thopiekar> hi jeremiah
Feb 20 15:41:23 <jeremiah> wassup thopiekar
Feb 20 15:41:33 <thopiekar> fine and you?
Feb 20 15:41:40 <jeremiah> Good thanks.
Feb 20 15:42:05 <thopiekar> hey jeremiah, do you know how to fix that? http://pastebin.com/d27fa9fe5
Feb 20 15:42:20 <thopiekar> it is just a internet problem btw..
Feb 20 15:42:29 <thopiekar> in sb1
Feb 20 15:42:41 <lardman> thopiekar: from your pastebin?
Feb 20 15:42:45 <thopiekar> yes
Feb 20 15:43:02 <thopiekar> lardman: or not?
Feb 20 15:43:27 <thopiekar> I tried to download the file with wget in sb1 and it works..
Feb 20 15:43:36 <thopiekar> * has worked
Feb 20 15:43:38 <lardman> well it doesn't look like you need to fill it out, just that it tries to access external files and can't
Feb 20 15:44:10 <lardman>  /home/thopiekar/pulseaudio/cracklib2-2.8.12/debian/libcrack2.xml:3: warning: failed to load external entity "http://www.oasis-open.org/docbook/xml/4.5/docbookx.dtd"
Feb 20 15:44:12 <lardman> is one of them
Feb 20 15:44:22 <jeremiah> Yeah, it looks like your network is not working for pulling down those "external entities"
Feb 20 15:44:45 <jeremiah> So it isn't a packaging error, but a network error.
Feb 20 15:44:51 <X-Fade> Well, it really shouldn't either. That is a security issue waiting to happen ;)
Feb 20 15:45:02 <thopiekar> argh... could it be that i ported and installed libselinux :D
Feb 20 15:45:12 <lardman> well, with a name like libcrack what can you expect :)
Feb 20 15:45:39 <X-Fade> If you would ever submit it to the autobuilder it would fail anyway..
Feb 20 15:45:43 <qwerty12_N800> lardman: I thought it was for developing arse related utils :)
Feb 20 15:46:03 <thopiekar> lardman: wowowo! I need it for policykit and it for pulseaudio..
Feb 20 15:46:21 <jeremiah> X-Fade: In freemantle, the document /scratchbox/doc/perl.txt has been re-written, where do I send that?
Feb 20 15:46:29 <jeremiah> The email address there bounces.
Feb 20 15:46:33 <GeneralAntilles> Augh! "Fremantle" :P
Feb 20 15:46:37 <thopiekar> X-Fade: thats why I always tried it to build on my own sb1.
Feb 20 15:47:00 <X-Fade> jeremiah: DP team. File a bug against sdk?
Feb 20 15:47:07 <jeremiah> okay.
Feb 20 15:47:46 <thopiekar> so what can i do now?
Feb 20 15:47:49 <X-Fade> That is Development Platform.
Feb 20 15:47:59 <X-Fade> thopiekar: Just download the file and add it in your package?
Feb 20 15:48:15 <X-Fade> Remove the download code?
Feb 20 15:48:41 <thopiekar> where can i find out where to put in the files?
Feb 20 15:48:42 <X-Fade> Or disable doc building as you probably don't want those on your tablet anyway ;)
Feb 20 15:49:23 <lardman> disable doc building, music to my ears. How is it done.....?
Feb 20 15:49:38 <X-Fade> --without-docs ?
Feb 20 15:49:44 <lardman> ah, magic :)
Feb 20 15:50:12 <thopiekar> behind dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -sa?
Feb 20 15:50:33 <lardman> probably as a configure switch
Feb 20 15:50:41 <thopiekar> ok
Feb 20 15:50:42 <X-Fade> thopiekar: Check ./configure --help
Feb 20 15:50:48 <X-Fade> See if it is an option.
Feb 20 15:50:52 <Corsac> mhmh, it seems that maemo booted in my qemu (i saw a progression bar) but now the window is just black
Feb 20 15:50:55 <thopiekar> kk
Feb 20 15:52:41 <Macer> well.. playing hd mkvs is definately out of the question on this artigo heh
Feb 20 15:53:10 <Macer> they should have included a sigma chip on it or something
Feb 20 15:54:10 <Macer> but that would probably make the thing a little bigger
Feb 20 16:00:17 <jeremiah> thopiekar: Don't forget to add the -D switch to get dependency checki
Feb 20 16:00:21 <jeremiah> ng
Feb 20 16:00:32 <mikkov_> hey, when was that broken texinfo package removed? :)
Feb 20 16:01:02 <X-Fade> mikkov_: Monday or tuesday, why? :)
Feb 20 16:01:28 <luke-jr> opinions Navit vs Maemo Mapper?
Feb 20 16:01:31 <mikkov_> it has bugged me a long time, that's why :)
Feb 20 16:01:56 <X-Fade> mikkov_: You should have pinged me then.. Or filed a bug ..
Feb 20 16:02:32 <X-Fade> As one of the master porters you should have gotten special treatment ;)
Feb 20 16:02:54 <mikkov_> X-Fade, was just about to, but then noticed it wasn't there anymore (did ping you once, but had just left)
Feb 20 16:03:00 <thopiekar> no changes with --without-docs..
Feb 20 16:03:57 <mikkov_> there should be dedicated place for package bugs
Feb 20 16:04:43 <jeremiah> I agree, there should be.
Feb 20 16:04:57 <X-Fade> mikkov_: Indeed, but we now have jeremiah who works on the repo full time ;)
Feb 20 16:05:12 <X-Fade> mikkov_: So you can blame him.
Feb 20 16:05:14 <jeremiah> I think I will set upa simple trac instance so that people can put bugs into my queue
Feb 20 16:05:30 <X-Fade> jeremiah: I think it is better to use the tools we have.
Feb 20 16:05:46 <mikkov_> could bugs.debian.org kind of system be built? Or place in bugs.maemo.org?
Feb 20 16:05:48 <X-Fade> And bugzilla is _the_ bugreporting tool of choice..
Feb 20 16:05:49 <thopiekar> bugzilla?
Feb 20 16:05:56 <thopiekar> :D
Feb 20 16:06:15 <X-Fade> jeremiah: As we have a fulltime bugmaster too.
Feb 20 16:06:23 <jeremiah> mikkov_: debbugs is a package you can download and install, so yeah.
Feb 20 16:06:26 <X-Fade> jeremiah: 1+1 -> 3 ?
Feb 20 16:06:50 <mikkov_> jeremiah: or trac, I don't which system would be the best
Feb 20 16:07:06 <jeremiah> X-Fade: So packaging bugs should officially go into bugzilla?
Feb 20 16:07:10 <StsN802> lo qwerty12
Feb 20 16:07:25 <mikkov_> jeremiah: It hasn't been decided
Feb 20 16:07:26 <X-Fade> jeremiah: I think they should.
Feb 20 16:07:32 <qwerty12> hey StsN802 :)
Feb 20 16:07:38 <jeremiah> mikkov_: debbugs is interesting, but it is big and nasty. trac just rocks.
Feb 20 16:07:49 <jeremiah> debbugs is mail oriented, perl based
Feb 20 16:07:58 <jeremiah> trac is web oriented, python base
Feb 20 16:08:33 <X-Fade> jeremiah: But trac doesn't offer a lot of features bugzilla provides.
Feb 20 16:08:42 <mikkov_> jeremiah: I'm not very familiar with any system. There should just be official place for packaging bugs
Feb 20 16:08:49 <jeremiah> X-Fade: _Do_ people submit packaging bugs through bugzilla?
Feb 20 16:09:08 <jeremiah> X-Fade: What do you not have in trac?
Feb 20 16:09:15 <X-Fade> jeremiah: No, because there is no central place to file bugs.
Feb 20 16:09:52 <mikkov_> To which "product" should packaging bugs be reported in bugzilla?
Feb 20 16:10:09 <jeremiah> So, to summarize. There is no central place to file packaging bugs. But you think packaging bugs should be filed in bugzilla
Feb 20 16:10:10 <X-Fade> mikkov_: Probably against the repository for now.
Feb 20 16:10:12 <jeremiah> ?
Feb 20 16:10:36 <X-Fade> timeless had an idea to make an Extras product in bugzilla and components for packages?
Feb 20 16:10:37 <lcuk> bugs about packaging only end up in bugzilla after the original developer has stressed for however long to build a package in the first place
Feb 20 16:10:57 <mikkov_> X-Fade: there isn't repository product
Feb 20 16:11:09 <X-Fade> mikkov_: website -> repository, I think.
Feb 20 16:11:22 <jeremiah> I will just set up something informal for now and we can push it to bugzilla if that doesn't work.
Feb 20 16:11:41 <X-Fade> jeremiah: Wiki page would probably do for now.
Feb 20 16:11:54 <jeremiah> I already have that, people don't find it.
Feb 20 16:12:05 <jeremiah> Maybe I should blog about it.
Feb 20 16:12:13 <mikkov_> X-Fade: there is only website, no repository
Feb 20 16:12:19 <X-Fade> jeremiah: You should talk to andre about it..
Feb 20 16:12:26 <jeremiah> Okay.
Feb 20 16:13:09 * andre__ reads the backlog
Feb 20 16:13:16 <X-Fade> mikkov_: product: maemo.org Website, component: Repositories
Feb 20 16:13:24 <jeremiah> speak of the devil!
Feb 20 16:13:28 <jeremiah> And he shall appear!
Feb 20 16:14:10 <X-Fade> jeremiah: There is a start for Extras here: https://bugs.maemo.org/enter_bug.cgi?classification=Extras
Feb 20 16:14:14 <jeremiah> andre__: Can you enable a CC on bugs that relate to packaging so they come to me.
Feb 20 16:14:15 <mikkov_> X-Fade: ah ok, bugzilla is just too hard to use
Feb 20 16:14:15 <andre__> it's always been like that...
Feb 20 16:14:40 <X-Fade> mikkov_: Blame andre for not deploying templates yet ;)
Feb 20 16:14:52 <andre__> hehe
Feb 20 16:15:04 <X-Fade> jeremiah: Just subscribe to the QA contact.
Feb 20 16:15:05 <jeremiah> X-Fade: A lot of free software projects have actually moved to track and away from bugzilla
Feb 20 16:15:27 <andre__> jeremiah, i could try, but simply putting the qa contact on your watchlist might be easier :)
Feb 20 16:15:31 <mikkov_> X-Fade: I was actually looking only from simple search form, which doesn't list components
Feb 20 16:15:39 <X-Fade> jeremiah: Does trac do mail notification, automatic subscription, groups etc ?
Feb 20 16:15:49 <jeremiah> X-Fade: Yep.
Feb 20 16:16:03 <jeremiah> plus git repos, svn repos, wiki, etc.
Feb 20 16:16:10 <andre__> ...while other free software projects lately have moved to bugzilla. but i agree that trac and launchpad have some nice features
Feb 20 16:16:12 <jeremiah> tons of plugins, written in python
Feb 20 16:16:37 <X-Fade> jeremiah: Anyway, bugtracking -> andre's turf ;)
Feb 20 16:16:42 <X-Fade> jeremiah: Fight with him ;)
Feb 20 16:16:42 <jeremiah> andre__: Let's do the easy thing and I will subscribe to the qa contact.
Feb 20 16:16:51 <jeremiah> X-Fade: :)
Feb 20 16:17:11 <jeremiah> As Michael Jackson said; "I'm a lover, not a fighter."
Feb 20 16:17:24 <andre__> yeah. and see where he is now. :-P
Feb 20 16:17:29 <jeremiah> heh
Feb 20 16:17:33 <andre__> good choice, michael, good choice.
Feb 20 16:17:35 <jeremiah> In Dubai?
Feb 20 16:17:41 <jeremiah> In Jail?
Feb 20 16:17:43 <andre__> got nose?
Feb 20 16:18:00 <jeremiah> got glove?
Feb 20 16:18:43 <andre__> pah, glove is a workaround! i thought we'd FIX issues here!
Feb 20 16:19:07 <jeremiah> You're very optimistic then.
Feb 20 16:21:03 <jeremiah> andre__: How do I subscribe to the QA ontact?
Feb 20 16:22:20 <mikkov_> basically all package maintainers should subscibe to repository bugs
Feb 20 16:22:23 <X-Fade> jeremiah: https://bugs.maemo.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email
Feb 20 16:22:34 <X-Fade> jeremiah: Users to watch: repositories@maemo.bugs
Feb 20 16:22:41 <X-Fade> jeremiah: For example ;)
Feb 20 16:23:42 <X-Fade> andre__: Jeremiah needs the confirm bug etc bits too btw..
Feb 20 16:24:49 <andre__> oh, yeppah
Feb 20 16:25:02 <jeremiah> X-Fade: thanks, I did that.
Feb 20 16:28:19 * StsN800 ponders why the train has ä instead of æ as it should in the displays
Feb 20 16:28:58 <jeremiah> okay, I'm going home now. I will probably be online later and almost certainly for a few hours this weekend.
Feb 20 16:29:02 <jeremiah> ciao!
Feb 20 16:29:19 <X-Fade> Have a nice weekend ;)
Feb 20 16:29:43 <jeremiah> X-Fade: You too X-Fade and thanks for all your help. :) You too andre__!
Feb 20 16:30:17 <X-Fade> jeremiah: Overloaded yet? Or shall I continue to drop info on you :D
Feb 20 16:30:45 <jeremiah> brain . . . swirling with . . . much data . . .
Feb 20 16:31:10 <jeremiah> But sure, drop whatever you think is appropriate. :)
Feb 20 16:33:41 <andre__> heh. later :)
Feb 20 16:34:02 <andre__> added
Feb 20 16:35:29 <mikkov_> somebody should ask yerga for his xournal sources and upload working xournal to diablo extras
Feb 20 16:36:17 <X-Fade> mikkov_: Yeah, anidel asked me to remove the broken one in extras-devel because he had no time to fix it.
Feb 20 16:36:34 <mikkov_> yes it was anidel
Feb 20 16:36:38 <qwerty12> Why doesn't he just upload the working chinook one?
Feb 20 16:36:57 <X-Fade> I have no idea.
Feb 20 16:36:58 <mikkov_> but anidel hasn't released the sources anywhere so nobody can fix it
Feb 20 16:37:37 <mikkov_> I once asked for them in ITT
Feb 20 16:39:08 <mikkov_> using chinook repositories in diablo is not adequate solution
Feb 20 16:40:10 <X-Fade> mikkov_: Maybe you can send him a mail?
Feb 20 16:41:00 <mikkov_> I was hoping that somebody else is more interested in xournal :)
Feb 20 16:41:06 <X-Fade> Heh ;)
Feb 20 16:41:28 <X-Fade> Ok, I have to leave too. Time to get something to eat.
Feb 20 16:48:43 <thopiekar> make: dh_prep: Command not found..
Feb 20 16:48:43 <thopiekar> that isn't normal.. isn't it?
Feb 20 16:49:30 <StsN800> fairly normal
Feb 20 16:49:44 <thopiekar> because?
Feb 20 16:49:48 <StsN800> ran into it too in DIABLO SDK
Feb 20 16:49:56 <qwerty12> It's the point where you make the rules file debhelper 5 compliant ;)
Feb 20 16:50:14 <StsN800> because their debhelper is outdated
Feb 20 16:50:51 <thopiekar> how should i prepare it ( qwerty12 ) ?
Feb 20 16:51:09 <mikkov_> usually you just remove those ;)
Feb 20 16:51:17 <thopiekar> ok :D
Feb 20 16:51:20 <mikkov_> if it works, fine
Feb 20 16:51:43 <mikkov_> it it doesn't search for what is does
Feb 20 16:51:45 <thopiekar> is there a way to comment out things?
Feb 20 16:51:51 <mikkov_> #
Feb 20 16:51:55 <thopiekar> hmm ok
Feb 20 16:52:47 <thopiekar> StsN800: whats the version of debhelper on mer?
Feb 20 16:53:23 <StsN800> mer-scratchbox, 5, mer-native , 7
Feb 20 16:53:48 <StsN800> due for a update
Feb 20 16:54:46 <mikkov_> hre
Feb 20 16:55:00 <mikkov_> bah, here's what dh_prep does http://man.he.net/man1/dh_prep
Feb 20 16:55:10 <thopiekar> StsN800: your are using vbox too. don't you?
Feb 20 16:55:35 <StsN800> i use vbox at home, vmware at work
Feb 20 16:56:13 <thopiekar> and ssh works on both?
Feb 20 17:00:32 <thopiekar> I always get this http://pastebin.com/d6782d25c at the end after changing the rules file..
Feb 20 17:01:08 <thopiekar> * I just comment'd something out...
Feb 20 17:44:15 <neatojones> bman_ how long should ubuntu take to load gnome on a first boot?
Feb 20 18:14:06 <lardman> can anyone remember if the 770 came with a pair of headphones?
Feb 20 18:17:08 <t_s_o> yep, i think it did. i have a wsod one somewhere, in retail packaging...
Feb 20 18:17:08 * lardman rumages around for a second pair
Feb 20 18:17:34 <lardman> I had one pair fail, from my n800 I think, I'll see if I can find the 770 box in that case
Feb 20 18:17:39 <lardman> thanks
Feb 20 18:18:14 <lardman> X-Fade: video call from tablet to tablet has got a big thumbs up from the gf
Feb 20 18:18:21 <t_s_o> any set will do, one only misses the call control button...
Feb 20 18:18:39 <lardman> ah, I need a microphone though, or is that one of the stereo channels?
Feb 20 18:19:26 <t_s_o> ah, no, my bad, i had forgotten about the mic thing. altho the N800 have one built in as well as what was on the set
Feb 20 18:19:57 <lardman> yeah but the built in ones don't seem to work with the chat applications afaict
Feb 20 18:20:33 <qwerty12> hmm? The mic on the N800 is meant to be used for internet calling
Feb 20 18:20:41 <qwerty12> on the N800 headphones that is
Feb 20 18:20:54 <lardman> yeah, what about the mic without headphones?
Feb 20 18:21:07 <lardman> on the headphones it works as expected of course
Feb 20 18:21:19 <lardman> I only have one pair of headphones that I can find atm though
Feb 20 18:21:49 <qwerty12> Ah, you mean normal headphones plugged in and using the mic built in on the N800? Or am I far away? :)
Feb 20 18:21:57 <t_s_o> ah, plugging in some headphones may disable the built in one...
Feb 20 18:22:16 <lardman> tablet to tablet - n800 to n810, no headphones on either = no sound out
Feb 20 18:24:06 <lcuk> the headphone plug is one of those tri-connector things isnt it - left/right/mic.  when you plug normal headphones in, it shorts the mic
Feb 20 18:24:39 <lcuk> i used skype a couple of weeks ago without headphones
Feb 20 18:25:02 <lardman> hmm, ok, I'll have to try again
Feb 20 18:25:09 <lardman> what was the sound quality like?
Feb 20 18:25:24 <lcuk> decent - that was tablet-tablet
Feb 20 18:25:39 <lardman> cool, will test later
Feb 20 18:25:48 <lcuk> which vid calling are you trying
Feb 20 18:26:04 <lardman> the build-in, Google Talk one
Feb 20 18:26:44 <lcuk> mmm ive got liquid@ setup but never tried it
Feb 20 18:27:01 <lcuk> does it do video?
Feb 20 18:27:23 <lardman> yeah, works fine
Feb 20 18:27:40 <lardman> or at least as well as the camera works - Holly was asking if I'd be that grainy in India :)
Feb 20 18:27:42 <lcuk> from pc ?
Feb 20 18:27:50 <lardman> n800 >-> n810
Feb 20 18:28:13 <lcuk> heh, at least starting with n8x0 you know it wont get much worse :D
Feb 20 18:28:30 * lcuk still cant stop coughing
Feb 20 18:28:42 <t_s_o> liquid@?
Feb 20 18:28:44 <lcuk> at least the greenyness has stopped now
Feb 20 18:28:46 <lcuk> liquid@gmail
Feb 20 18:28:58 <t_s_o> ah
Feb 20 18:29:18 * lcuk ponders how to setup a call
Feb 20 18:29:41 <lardman> aargh, omweather has gone mad and is trying to update every 1min, and switching on my inet connection
Feb 20 18:30:12 <lcuk> i screwed omw up and it lost all its repos and the interface went mental on me and displayed no data at all
Feb 20 18:30:20 * lcuk hasnt been able to rectify since
Feb 20 18:30:39 <lcuk> mind you, ive been feeling under the weather myself :D
Feb 20 18:31:34 <lcuk> oooh
Feb 20 18:31:45 <lcuk> you are a red light zone, no wonder holly likes you
Feb 20 18:31:57 <lardman> yeah, was the summit!
Feb 20 18:32:27 <lcuk> so is this text only?
Feb 20 18:33:04 <lardman> no, voice & video too
Feb 20 18:33:35 <lcuk> bloody nora!
Feb 20 18:33:39 <lcuk> tracy will be impressed
Feb 20 18:33:42 * lardman goes to do washing up
Feb 20 18:33:43 <lardman> :)
Feb 20 18:36:04 * pupnik_ jumps up on the sofa and gets dirty pawmarks all over
Feb 20 18:36:07 * pupnik_ runs out
Feb 20 18:48:37 <RST38h> 7295!
Feb 20 18:49:48 <lardman|away> pin number?
Feb 20 18:50:27 <lardman|away> reboot time, bbiab
Feb 20 18:50:34 <neostrider> hello there?
Feb 20 18:51:14 <neostrider> anybody have any issues with AIC23 on N770?
Feb 20 18:51:42 <neatojones> neatojones has a N810
Feb 20 19:03:32 <lardman> hmm, are GStreamer callbacks called in the same thread as the GTK stuff?
Feb 20 19:03:53 <lardman> when my callback is running, GTK is unable to update/accept events
Feb 20 19:04:06 <lardman> and even after the callback has finished GTK is unresponsive
Feb 20 19:04:09 <lardman> any thoughts?
Feb 20 19:12:43 <RST38h> http://i.gizmodo.com/5157354/boy-killed-anally-when-office-chair-explodes <=== remember this next time you sit onto an office chair
Feb 20 19:16:52 <lardman> hmm, /me wonders about his 8yo gas suspended chair, which he's sitting on now
Feb 20 19:17:37 <glass> hehe
Feb 20 19:18:47 <RST38h> glass: btw: http://i.gizmodo.com/5157322/the-life-of-an-iphone-app-nasty-brutish-and-short
Feb 20 19:18:59 <RST38h> glass: I am pretty sure the same applies to symbian apps
Feb 20 19:21:42 <glass> RST38h: to any
Feb 20 19:28:28 <ShadowJK> heh
Feb 20 19:28:41 <ShadowJK> I'm a freak then, all the apps I installed on my phone are in regular use :-)
Feb 20 19:29:18 <ShadowJK> Except for the shoutcast client that's too painful to use to be useful, and radiobee which was easier to use but a crap implementation
Feb 20 19:29:37 <ShadowJK> putty, opera mobile, opera mini and python in regular use though
Feb 20 19:29:39 <ShadowJK> and joikuspot
Feb 20 19:29:42 <ShadowJK> (light)
Feb 20 19:34:16 <RST38h> Shadow: that is because you have an E70 =)
Feb 20 19:39:15 <ShadowJK> I guess..
Feb 20 19:39:28 <ShadowJK> paying for opera mobile when the included browser is about as stable as the global financial system
Feb 20 19:49:45 * RST38h checks finance.google.com and wonders what ShadowJK meant
Feb 20 19:50:16 <ShadowJK> RST38h, like october except every minute
Feb 20 19:56:28 <RST38h> ShadowJK: In fact, the financial shit has been pending for more than a year before October
Feb 20 19:56:49 <RST38h> has been well known to realtors
Feb 20 20:05:13 <lcuk> lardman, gstreamer runs in its own thread i believe.  and you have reason to be afraid of your chair
Feb 20 20:09:46 <lardman> lcuk: :)
Feb 20 20:10:00 <Stskeeps> LAN parties - where people actually know what tablets are
Feb 20 20:10:15 <lardman> lcuk: I think some callbacks - bus ones for example, are performed in the main thread though, or so I read somewhere
Feb 20 20:10:24 <lardman> annoying the whole thing locking up anyway
Feb 20 20:10:58 <lcuk> when i am rendering the camera - gstreamer stomps and the camera image tears (yes, i could handle it but its not worth it)
Feb 20 20:11:19 <lardman> are you using queues?
Feb 20 20:11:20 <lcuk> if gstreamer was on my main application thread that would never occur
Feb 20 20:11:44 <lardman> so do you render with a fakesink?
Feb 20 20:12:27 <lcuk> i just eat the data as i get it
Feb 20 20:12:52 <lcuk> transfer it onto a liqimage
Feb 20 20:13:05 <lcuk> fakesink
Feb 20 20:15:06 <lardman> hmm, I send the data to an analysis fn, which is pretty intensive, but it does return eventually, and even then the ui is locked up
Feb 20 20:15:24 <Stskeeps> 'lo daperl
Feb 20 20:18:25 * b-man starts to build some hal packages for ubuntu-n8x0 repo and then works on a concept Ubuntu-Installer
Feb 20 20:18:48 <Stskeeps> b-man: consider images i guess
Feb 20 20:18:53 <Stskeeps> look at the imager mer uses
Feb 20 20:19:03 <Stskeeps> it can build ubuntu images probably too
Feb 20 20:19:46 <Stskeeps> then you can probably do ubuntu images like we have mer images
Feb 20 20:21:18 <b-man> i'll probibly make an installer that gives you the option to install from a bootstrap or rootfs.tar.gz
Feb 20 20:21:50 <Stskeeps> *nod* well, look into using the imager
Feb 20 20:21:55 <Stskeeps> you probably don't have to do muc
Feb 20 20:21:55 <Stskeeps> h
Feb 20 20:22:08 <Stskeeps> then you can make tar.gz'es and publish those
Feb 20 20:22:17 <Stskeeps> as simple to adopt as mer
Feb 20 20:23:21 * Stskeeps plays with the 770
Feb 20 20:23:37 <b-man> you got your 770? :)
Feb 20 20:23:56 <Stskeeps> yeah
Feb 20 20:24:04 <Stskeeps> definately needs some optimizations..
Feb 20 20:25:40 <daperl> yo Stskeeps, I'm not really here yet.  I'm still parenting for the next 3 hours, then I have about 10 straight days of geek time.  But last night, I compiled (on my n800) and am now running PyWebKitGtk.  Why the f*ck didn't they compile the lenny webkit armel with "--with-hildon?"
Feb 20 20:26:01 <Stskeeps> lol.. dunno, it has --with-hildon? interesting
Feb 20 20:26:33 <daperl> Have you tried tear?
Feb 20 20:26:52 <Stskeeps> nop, but i have tried hildonized midori
Feb 20 20:27:19 <daperl> probably similar.  what did you think?
Feb 20 20:27:39 <Stskeeps> webkit on mobile devices is definately the way to go
Feb 20 20:28:19 <daperl> oh, also, https works out-of-the-box with pywebkitgtk
Feb 20 20:28:42 <Stskeeps> heh, no wonder my 770 took a long time to make this swap file, i made it do a 128gb swap file :P
Feb 20 20:28:53 <daperl> yeah, i'm very impressed so far
Feb 20 20:29:15 <Stskeeps> pywebkitgtk on maemo or on mer?
Feb 20 20:30:48 <daperl> gb?  i tried to build webkit-1.0.1 on my n800.  it ran out of space.  i think i need to bump up my swap 'cause there's plenty of SD left.
Feb 20 20:31:24 <Stskeeps> hehe
Feb 20 20:31:28 <Stskeeps> or /tmp
Feb 20 20:31:36 <daperl> pywebkitgtk on maemo.  are you running lenny on mer?
Feb 20 20:31:50 <Stskeeps> well any lenny packages .. most likely exist in mer too
Feb 20 20:32:00 <Stskeeps> or can be brought to existence
Feb 20 20:32:29 <daperl> johnx/qole's debian chroot stuff upgraded well
Feb 20 20:32:43 <Stskeeps> ah
Feb 20 20:33:35 <daperl> yeah, i forgot to mention, i'm running pywebkitgtk in the chroot.
Feb 20 20:34:15 <daperl> it's very fast
Feb 20 20:34:24 <Stskeeps> hehe, yeah
Feb 20 20:35:10 <daperl> gotta go, but it's gonna be a productive weekend
Feb 20 20:35:13 <Stskeeps> have fun
Feb 20 20:35:13 <Stskeeps> i
Feb 20 20:35:17 <Stskeeps> 'm at a LAN party all weekend
Feb 20 20:35:22 <Stskeeps> (there now)
Feb 20 20:35:38 <daperl> as in gaming?
Feb 20 20:35:56 <Stskeeps> coding, gaming, demos
Feb 20 20:36:20 <Stskeeps> just a small private one
Feb 20 20:36:27 <daperl> how many?
Feb 20 20:36:41 <Stskeeps> 20ish people
Feb 20 20:36:51 <GAN800> LAN parties are so 2000. :P
Feb 20 20:36:53 <Stskeeps> some of us were from a 2000+ people lan party (crew) many years ago
Feb 20 20:37:08 <suihkulokki> demos <3
Feb 20 20:37:32 <Stskeeps> yeah, i miss those big parties
Feb 20 20:37:52 <daperl> sounds like they're making a comeback :-)
Feb 20 20:38:06 <Stskeeps> it mostly died here in .dk due to hardcore anti-piracy intervention
Feb 20 20:38:18 <Stskeeps> and people were terrified they were going to come and search their disks and so on
Feb 20 20:38:36 <RST38h> Horror
Feb 20 20:38:58 <GAN800> lol?
Feb 20 20:39:09 <GAN800> Random disk searches?
Feb 20 20:39:20 <Stskeeps> GAN800: well, the risk of getting busted with a open FTP ..
Feb 20 20:39:33 <Stskeeps> then again, looking back, people were paranoid
Feb 20 20:43:22 <RST38h> and, looking forward, for a good reason...
Feb 20 20:44:33 <gnuton> Hello there
Feb 20 20:44:47 <suihkulokki> there are some nice demoskene parties in .fi still
Feb 20 20:44:58 <b-man> hello gnuton :)
Feb 20 20:45:29 <gnuton> hei b-man :D
Feb 20 20:45:48 <RST38h> heh, both SAAB and Volvo are fucked.
Feb 20 20:50:57 * b-man looks into adding the mer imager as a core component of the Ubuntu-Installer
Feb 20 20:51:38 <Stskeeps> b-man: or simply generating it before and just delivering .tar.gz's people can install
Feb 20 20:51:54 <Stskeeps> generate once, use many
Feb 20 21:05:35 <b-man> Stskeeps: i'll likely go both ways - to keep things up-to-date and also to provide more flexibility for advancesd users. -- so i don't need to build lxde-ubuntu, xubuntu and, kubuntu images witch would be a pain to keep continuously up-to-date - but instead have the installer bootstrap the base system or just grab a base rootfs.tar.gz image and then have it install desktop env a desktop env of your choice from a configuration. ;)
Feb 20 21:06:17 <b-man> --sorry for double typing :P
Feb 20 21:07:18 <neatojones> has any out there tried xubuntu?
Feb 20 21:08:57 <Stskeeps> b-man: ah, maybe a .tar.gz as base and then apt-get on top
Feb 20 21:09:21 <b-man> yup :)
Feb 20 21:09:54 <neatojones> did you run into gnome-keyring issues like I did?
Feb 20 21:10:15 <b-man> me or Stskeeps?
Feb 20 21:10:34 <b-man> i didn't
Feb 20 21:10:45 <neatojones> As an aside...I realize it isn't much RAM but, I forgot where to get rid of all the getty's that start  in mer
Feb 20 21:10:49 <neatojones> yeah, bman
Feb 20 21:10:51 <neatojones> ok
Feb 20 21:10:59 <neatojones> I'll try it again.  Maybe I just have bad luck
Feb 20 21:11:28 <neatojones> neatojones wishes he could have xubuntu and mer installed at the same time.
Feb 20 21:11:49 <b-man> you can use /me for those messages ;)
Feb 20 21:12:09 <b-man> irc command
Feb 20 21:12:46 * neatojones forgets to use the command/ is lazy
Feb 20 21:12:54 <b-man> hehe
Feb 20 21:13:15 <neatojones> I guess it's actually less typing.
Feb 20 21:13:50 * neatojones never claimed to be the brightest crayon in the box
Feb 20 21:14:16 <b-man> lol
Feb 20 21:14:38 <b-man> ~burn his N810
Feb 20 21:14:39 * infobot_ pours gasoline all over his N810, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze
Feb 20 21:14:45 <b-man> lol XD
Feb 20 21:15:03 <neatojones> lol
Feb 20 21:16:07 <Shadow__X> no
Feb 20 21:16:12 <Shadow__X> whats wrong with the n810
Feb 20 21:16:12 <b-man> XD
Feb 20 21:16:27 <Shadow__X> i wouldnt mind faster cpu and maybe a tiny gpu
Feb 20 21:16:30 <Shadow__X> other than that
Feb 20 21:16:31 <b-man> it's a joke XD
Feb 20 21:16:43 <Shadow__X> also i found a way to watch close to anything on the n810 with no lag
Feb 20 21:17:17 <neatojones> stand close enough to a tv that you can see its reflection on the screen?
Feb 20 21:18:00 <Shadow__X> tversity
Feb 20 21:18:25 <neatojones> web page?
Feb 20 21:18:33 * Stskeeps ponders to try to get a more recent kernel going on the 770
Feb 20 21:18:47 <Shadow__X> http://tversity.com/
Feb 20 21:20:38 * b-man leaves to review some code
Feb 20 21:21:22 <neatojones> any good channels?  I think I tried it a while back but none of the one's I wanted to watch worked
Feb 20 21:24:27 <neatojones> Has anyone here ever run e17 on their tablet?
Feb 20 21:25:06 <Shadow__X> neatojones, where you asking me
Feb 20 21:26:08 <neatojones> You too :D
Feb 20 21:26:28 <neatojones> I tried compiling it the other day and it got an error
Feb 20 21:26:29 <Shadow__X> about tversity
Feb 20 21:26:38 <neatojones> yeah
Feb 20 21:26:43 <GAN800> Mamona is e17
Feb 20 21:26:50 <Shadow__X> i used it to stream videos
Feb 20 21:26:54 <Shadow__X> worked pretty good
Feb 20 21:27:26 <neatojones> GAN800, tried that.  Liked it, but manona has a repo about the size of my pinky
Feb 20 21:27:46 <neatojones> I knew someone had compiled if for deblet
Feb 20 21:27:57 <neatojones> but since it has gone from the repos
Feb 20 21:28:16 <neatojones> so, it must be possible to compile, but I don't know why mine failed
Feb 20 21:28:54 <neatojones> the errors didn't make sense.  It complained that I hadn't installed packages that were indeed installed... poosibly, wrong versions???
Feb 20 21:29:16 <neatojones> Shadow__X :  where from?
Feb 20 21:30:43 <neatojones> ...maybe I shouldn't ask.  lol
Feb 20 21:31:14 <Stskeeps> andre__: re #3312, AFAIK, Fremantle SDK is so far 100% open source
Feb 20 21:31:56 <Stskeeps> andre__: so if they keep this up..
Feb 20 21:32:11 <andre__> Stskeeps, don't think so :-/
Feb 20 21:32:24 <andre__> (well, i really don't know, but i simply don't expect it)
Feb 20 21:32:48 <neatojones> what window manager is it supposed to use?
Feb 20 21:32:57 <neatojones> (fremantle)
Feb 20 21:33:02 <andre__> still matchbox i guess?
Feb 20 21:33:11 <qwerty12_N800> matchbox2
Feb 20 21:33:13 <Stskeeps> neatojones: matchbox2
Feb 20 21:33:36 <neatojones> hildon on top?
Feb 20 21:34:11 <Toba> if you use hildon.Window instead of gtk.Window you're 50% there
Feb 20 21:34:24 <Stskeeps> andre__: well i have yet to encounter any closed components .. but admittedly i didn't check
Feb 20 21:35:44 <neatojones> haha
Feb 20 21:35:51 <andre__> Stskeeps, guess we'll all know more once alpha is out
Feb 20 21:37:20 <Stskeeps> yeah, waiting patiently for it
Feb 20 21:39:27 <GAN800> andre__, don't you mean WORKSFORME rather than INVALID for non-reproducible bugs?
Feb 20 21:41:26 <andre__> GAN800, depends. if i can't reproduce it's WORKSFORME. if it's not enough info it's INVALID
Feb 20 21:48:11 <r2d2rogers> Stskeeps: pong ;)
Feb 20 21:49:28 <Stskeeps> r2d2rogers: can i get you to test a cx3110x and see if it improves any for you? i am also right now trying to compile a 2.6.21 kernel..
Feb 20 21:49:46 <Stskeeps> or you still sick at home?
Feb 20 21:50:18 <r2d2rogers> Stskeeps: sure, I'm still home, but on the mend
Feb 20 21:50:24 <GAN800> What's new and exciting in matchbox2 anyway?
Feb 20 21:50:34 <r2d2rogers> I'm running imager right now for a fresh install
Feb 20 21:50:38 <Stskeeps> GAN800: it is a library and it has clutter stuff
Feb 20 21:50:52 <Stskeeps> not a wm on itself
Feb 20 21:50:53 <r2d2rogers> the tracker package didn't want to install so I'm finishing the image manually
Feb 20 21:51:41 <Stskeeps> yeah, i think it is broken atm
Feb 20 21:52:56 <Stskeeps> r2d2rogers: http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/cx3110x.ko
Feb 20 21:53:10 * GAN800 wonders when we'll see the Tracler beta.
Feb 20 21:53:38 <GAN800> s/ler/ker/
Feb 20 21:55:04 <r2d2rogers> Stskeeps: will try that as soon as the image run finishes
Feb 20 21:56:41 * Stskeeps is just waiting for kernel to finish building
Feb 20 21:56:45 <Stskeeps> so far USB driver was broke
Feb 20 21:57:52 <neatojones> how can I get Mer to log out of the hidon and leave me in a getty screen?
Feb 20 21:58:08 <neatojones> *hildon
Feb 20 22:00:00 <r2d2rogers> Stskeeps: how long you gonna be around for?
Feb 20 22:02:27 <Stskeeps> r2d2rogers: i am at a LAN party with 30 people
Feb 20 22:02:34 <Stskeeps> so until the caffiene runs out
Feb 20 22:02:57 <neatojones> Is there a way to get to tty1?
Feb 20 22:03:02 <r2d2rogers> sweet, I'll be back in an hour or so then....  gotta register for a pine wood derby race for my 6 year old
Feb 20 22:03:21 <Stskeeps> k
Feb 20 22:03:56 <Stskeeps> neatojones: no VT support in xorg i think
Feb 20 22:04:36 <neatojones> dang.  I'd rather just log out and modify file than reboot
Feb 20 22:05:15 <neatojones> Thanks for the info Stskeeps
Feb 20 22:21:23 <neatojones> Stskeeps:  So, if don't have omap-fb-splash and no auto-startx, I can get there can't I?
Feb 20 22:21:31 <neatojones> I know i've gotten there before in Mer
Feb 20 22:23:30 <Stskeeps> neatojones: you want to go to login: ? enable the console mode and disable auto-startx
Feb 20 22:24:50 <Stskeeps> ok, excluding the tahvo usb driver, n770_defconfig actually builds in kernel-diablo
Feb 20 22:24:52 <neatojones> Yep.  But, I can't leave hildon to get back there, once I've used startx?  No alt-ctrl-backspace on here
Feb 20 22:27:33 <neatojones> basically, I'm trying to do the equivalent of alt-ctrl-F1 (on most linux distros)
Feb 20 22:27:55 <qwerty12_N800> chvt 1?
Feb 20 22:28:12 <Stskeeps> neatojones: sadly the X driver doesnt support chvt
Feb 20 22:28:28 <neatojones> thanks guys...muh
Feb 20 22:28:30 <luke-jr> evil!
Feb 20 22:29:01 <neatojones> looks like I gotta chroot then
Feb 20 22:53:00 <ioan77> hi
Feb 20 22:54:37 <ioan77> qwerty12-n800, did you get carwhisperer to work on the tablet?
Feb 20 22:56:53 <qwerty12_N800> I put up a deb but due to nokia's fucking around, you'll have to enter the default passcodes automatically. I could never test it because when I connected to my headset with carwhisperer, the headset would reset itself.
Feb 20 22:57:45 <pupnik_> can mpeg4 video stream over bluetooth?
Feb 20 22:58:05 <pupnik_> hi ssvb
Feb 20 22:58:28 <ssvb> hi pupnik
Feb 20 22:58:38 <pupnik_> i was just wondering if next tablet can encode hi res mpeg4 streams from he camera
Feb 20 22:58:53 <Stskeeps> with dsp i guess it could
Feb 20 22:58:58 <ioan77> qwerty12, thanks. what else did you need to install to make it work on the tablet? bluez-utils?
Feb 20 22:59:55 <qwerty12_N800> ioan77: don't really remember - it was a long while back now. maybe my thread has info.
Feb 20 23:26:24 <oli> hey, what's n800 batery capacity (mAh) ?
Feb 20 23:31:33 <oli> 1500 mah, thx ;)
Feb 20 23:39:59 * Stskeeps yawns and stretches
Feb 20 23:49:32 <Stskeeps> neat, bundyo�'s patches for 770 actually work
Feb 21 00:02:35 <Stskeeps> qwerty12_N800_: still awake?
Feb 21 00:02:57 <Stskeeps> nm
Feb 21 00:09:12 <Macer> i got my shuttle ice genie
Feb 21 00:09:20 <Macer> and i guess for some reason or another .. they sent me 2 of them :)
Feb 21 00:09:49 <Macer> which is good because i have 2 shuttle k45s.. but i only paid for one of them.. maybe i should send them a letter and let them know
Feb 21 00:09:58 * Macer doesn't like being dishonorable about such things
Feb 21 00:10:25 <AkkiSan> just send me your 2nd one ;-)
Feb 21 00:11:21 <Macer> i have 2 shuttles
Feb 21 00:11:31 <Macer> i am going to put it in the other one.. i already installed one in the first one
Feb 21 00:11:50 <Macer> i think i am going to have to put the artigo somewhere else.. it's loud as hell
Feb 21 00:13:13 <AkkiSan> there he shuttles off 8)
Feb 21 00:13:45 <Macer> this sucks.. i really don't want to take this box down .. but at least i know exactly how to install it
Feb 21 00:13:51 <Macer> but taking out the mboard is a pain in the ass
Feb 21 00:14:25 <Macer> intel stock cpu fans suck heh.. i guess the reason the one i had was runnign so hot was because the little plastic crap that is SUPPOSED to snap into place on the mboard.. snapped out of place by itself
Feb 21 00:14:36 <Macer> so the fan was buzzing and the cpu was running REAL hot
Feb 21 00:14:52 <Macer> i mean.. like.. i could smell something about to start melting hot
Feb 21 00:15:28 <AkkiSan> i never had any probnlems with any shuttle system
Feb 21 00:15:40 <Macer> wasn't the shuttle's fault
Feb 21 00:15:48 <AkkiSan> yours?
Feb 21 00:15:51 <Macer> was the stock cpu fan's fault.. those plastic clips don't grab correctly
Feb 21 00:16:02 <Macer> actually.. my k45s psu died on me
Feb 21 00:16:04 <Macer> the fan did at least
Feb 21 00:16:13 <Macer> that thing sounded like shit right out the box tho
Feb 21 00:17:01 <Macer> well.. let me suck it up and start shutting down this box
Feb 21 00:17:23 <Macer> hopefully this will be the last time i ever have to do it.. but i'm pretty sure the fan in the other one will die soon enough also.. i think i will order another picopsu just in case
Feb 21 00:23:36 <r2d2rogers> Stskeeps: fun, new kerenel to play with too?
Feb 21 00:23:49 <Stskeeps> r2d2rogers: yeah, but i need to test it a little better
Feb 21 00:24:06 <r2d2rogers> cool, working on testing the wirless now.
Feb 21 00:24:28 <r2d2rogers> looks like we're still geting diablo kernel modules right now though
Feb 21 00:24:32 <Stskeeps> <3 the SD-to-MMCmobiley-adaptor
Feb 21 00:24:32 <Stskeeps> yeah
Feb 21 00:24:38 <lardman_> night chaps
Feb 21 00:25:05 <r2d2rogers> Stskeeps: got a 770 in hand?
Feb 21 00:25:08 <Stskeeps> yeah
Feb 21 00:25:16 <Stskeeps> and a n800, took both along
Feb 21 00:26:20 <r2d2rogers> what sd -> MMC adapter are you using?
Feb 21 00:37:40 <wazd> Stskeeps: ping?)
Feb 21 00:38:04 <Stskeeps> plong
Feb 21 00:38:34 <wazd> Stskeeps: while drinkin friday beer I came up with idea bout Mer icons
Feb 21 00:38:44 <wazd> Stskeeps: http://i033.radikal.ru/0902/13/b67e20b284bb.png
Feb 21 00:40:10 <wazd> Stskeeps: pretty obvious but still pretty :)
Feb 21 00:41:31 <Stskeeps> hehe, maybe
Feb 21 00:41:36 <Stskeeps> better than the current set..
Feb 21 00:42:01 <wazd> but still let's wait what Shutter77 will do)
Feb 21 00:43:11 <Stskeeps> yeah i guess
Feb 21 00:43:57 <wazd> I think bubbles will be like Mer's business card :)
Feb 21 00:44:55 <r2d2rogers> I'm not getting x working yet
Feb 21 00:45:50 <r2d2rogers> first boot wizard worked fine though
Feb 21 00:46:06 <AkkiSan> does anybody use BT PAN with windoze?
Feb 21 01:02:04 <Stskeeps> fuck, caffeine overload O_o
Feb 21 01:02:24 <r2d2rogers> not good
Feb 21 01:02:35 <Stskeeps> at a lan party.. i think it is obligatory
Feb 21 01:02:40 <Stskeeps> on the other hand i am having fun :P
Feb 21 01:02:42 <r2d2rogers> still trying to get X to run on Mer here, how's the party?
Feb 21 01:02:45 <r2d2rogers> Good
Feb 21 01:02:57 <Stskeeps> X worked for me, -but- it seemed like swapon isnt being run
Feb 21 01:03:04 <Stskeeps> as in, with the 0.7 image
Feb 21 01:03:05 <Stskeeps> er
Feb 21 01:03:05 <Stskeeps> 0.8
Feb 21 01:04:11 <r2d2rogers> looks good here.
Feb 21 01:04:20 <r2d2rogers> on swap anyhow
Feb 21 01:06:22 <Stskeeps> i'm playing around with 2.6.28 on 770
Feb 21 01:08:16 <r2d2rogers> Sweet
Feb 21 01:08:37 <r2d2rogers> should auto-startx be K in rc5?
Feb 21 01:09:26 <Stskeeps> yeah, start and stop
Feb 21 01:09:28 <Stskeeps> (S and K)
Feb 21 01:09:55 <r2d2rogers> shouldn't it be S then?
Feb 21 01:18:00 <Stskeeps> well if you get f-b-w you definately got a-s too..
Feb 21 01:22:34 <r2d2rogers> I get the f-b-w once, then I just get dumped to colsole
Feb 21 01:22:38 <r2d2rogers> console.
Feb 21 01:23:08 <r2d2rogers> startx gets me:  X: user not authorized to run the X server, aborting.
Feb 21 01:23:14 <r2d2rogers> through ssh
Feb 21 01:25:26 <GAN8001> ~ping
Feb 21 01:25:27 <infobot_> ~pong
Feb 21 01:28:52 <Stskeeps> pong
Feb 21 01:28:55 <Stskeeps> r2d2rogers: hmm
Feb 21 01:29:15 <r2d2rogers> edited /etc/X11/Xwrapper.config to put anybody where it has console and I get X now.
Feb 21 01:29:38 <r2d2rogers> but I'm missing the localiaztion srtings
Feb 21 01:29:38 <GAN8001> qwerty12_N800, ping?
Feb 21 01:31:48 <r2d2rogers> Stskeeps: in good news, power launch works nice now <G>
Feb 21 01:32:36 <Stskeeps> r2d2rogers: woo
Feb 21 01:45:11 <r2d2rogers> Stskeeps: tried modprobe cx3110x, ifconifg wlan0 up, restart NetworkManager, X dies
Feb 21 01:58:25 <Macer> hm.. anybody know the easiest way to batch encode mp4s to divx/xvid?
Feb 21 01:58:39 <Macer> something in X would be great as i really don't want to work on making batch encoding scripts anymore
Feb 21 02:03:04 <daperl> Stskeeps, Thank you.  TMPDIR givin' me new life.
Feb 21 02:03:21 <GAN8001> Macer, tablet-econde?
Feb 21 02:03:31 <GAN8001> encode*
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