**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Feb 22 02:59:57 2009 Feb 22 04:01:02 good morning Feb 22 04:43:10 * GAN8001 groans @ -community. Feb 22 04:43:29 The Nokia proposed community council . . . :shudder: Feb 22 05:31:50 wait Feb 22 05:32:00 Why am i subscribed there? Feb 22 05:54:04 Hey bman Feb 22 05:54:30 Hello, Andrewfblack :D Feb 22 06:35:55 qwerty12: do you ever sleep? :P Feb 22 06:38:05 * b-man passes out from staying up too late Feb 22 06:50:33 hi anyone know how to get radio streams to work on streamtuner Feb 22 07:01:40 damn Feb 22 07:08:43 yukop4: i used it on 770 - worked for me. can you rephrase your question? Feb 22 07:13:57 i am trying to get a particular station here in australia to work on streamtuner-it is called pbsfm 106.7-check it out and see if you have any luck Feb 22 07:14:42 http://www.pbsfm.org.au/ is the link Feb 22 07:37:23 offtopic any suggestions from cheap (6-700e) laptop which would work well with linux? Feb 22 07:46:57 Greetings benson! How's it going? Feb 22 07:49:24 who on earth preprogrammed kids to get up and demand breakfast so soon Feb 22 07:49:43 * lcuk can never get used to this Feb 22 07:54:21 * lcukx41 kicks ubuntu Feb 22 07:54:45 Hey bunanson, give a shout out if you're here. Feb 22 08:08:56 You should be so lucky lcuk! No one will let me get them pregnant. *lol* Feb 22 08:11:42 would anyone know if it's possible to read from a file descriptor with recv()? Feb 22 08:12:00 im getting a socket operation on non-socket error Feb 22 08:13:30 the file descriptor is an open serial port connection over bluetooth Feb 22 08:13:36 ? Feb 22 08:15:32 Heya bun! Welcome! Feb 22 08:22:38 moo, lcuk Feb 22 08:45:13 hiya RST38h Feb 22 09:17:06 hi, i am trying to put my python deb package to maemo extras, but i do not find any clear instructions for pure-python packages Feb 22 09:17:22 i have permissions, and i have read http://wiki.maemo.org/Uploading_to_Extras Feb 22 09:17:42 i also checked py2deb Feb 22 09:19:51 am i supposed to upload a ready .deb file OR should i create some kind of source tarball and let the autobuilder build the package? Feb 22 09:34:13 #ubuntu is like a cattle market Feb 22 09:34:18 mornin qwerty Feb 22 09:35:05 hi lcukx41 Feb 22 09:37:08 * lcukx41 kicks metacity Feb 22 09:37:13 ~lart metacity Feb 22 09:37:13 * infobot_ slaps metacity around with a large trout Feb 22 09:38:09 gnome-panel & nautilus are my pet hates. nautilus is crashy as shit and gnome-panel freezes up if I have an open sftp connection from nautilus and forget to close it before my internet gets disconnected >.< Feb 22 09:39:20 why not uninstall nautilus? Feb 22 09:39:55 It's the only file manager I'm accustomed to now sadly :( Feb 22 09:40:53 Also I think ubuntu-desktop package depends on it (think of it as the equivalently annoying osso-software-version in maemo) Feb 22 09:41:09 i just cant make any new window open up "normal", everything starts minimized Feb 22 09:46:37 qwerty: Try Midnight Commander from console window Feb 22 09:46:54 qwerty: In a few weeks you will not feel sorry about uninstalling Nautilus Feb 22 09:47:22 pcmanfm Feb 22 09:47:33 who needs nautilus or mc Feb 22 09:47:36 :> Feb 22 09:47:42 mc is different though Feb 22 09:47:48 mc's too heavy for commandline Feb 22 09:47:59 and not convenient enough Feb 22 09:48:06 Hehe, yeah, I am thinking of Midnight Commander - to transfer files at least. I transferred a 3.9gb file from my linux partition to my windows one using nautilus and rebooted into windows to find the file was 0b :/ Feb 22 09:48:11 still, we could use a tablet-oriented wm Feb 22 09:48:15 AStorm: BTW, can we have PCManFM hildonized build for Maemo? Feb 22 09:48:20 file manager that is Feb 22 09:48:30 RST38h, if you make one - should be easy Feb 22 09:48:34 qwerty: that is not nautilus problem Feb 22 09:48:40 just mod the menu Feb 22 09:48:42 ntfs-3g? Feb 22 09:48:55 no Feb 22 09:48:58 qwerty: you prbably turned off the system in some premature way Feb 22 09:49:09 qwerty: it did not sync your ntfs partition Feb 22 09:49:12 exactly - didn't sync Feb 22 09:49:14 RST38h, no, I made sure to sync and umount the ntfs partition Feb 22 09:49:31 qwert: then it is very strange but still unlikely to ba nau's problem Feb 22 09:50:17 Maybe I'll get one of those ext3 drivers for windows and copy from there :). Feb 22 09:50:20 * lcukx41 chokes Feb 22 09:50:36 As for PCManFM, it builds under maemo with some odd commenting out I did a long time ago Feb 22 09:51:02 But to get proper functionality out of it, you need to have tap and hold implemented in it Feb 22 09:51:18 oh Feb 22 09:52:16 am i the only one who hates tap n hold Feb 22 09:52:41 well Feb 22 09:52:52 it is useful for drag'n'drop Feb 22 09:52:58 but dnd is horrible Feb 22 09:52:58 different issue Feb 22 09:53:03 I prefer buttons Feb 22 09:53:50 i hate the delays that come from clicking and getting no response Feb 22 09:54:09 * RST38h hates clicking and uses mc Feb 22 09:54:11 doubletap then? Feb 22 09:54:21 thats just as bad, the delays are there Feb 22 09:54:30 never understood why exactly you need an icon-based fm Feb 22 09:54:35 tap,tap+hold to drag Feb 22 09:54:46 but it doesnt respond in time Feb 22 09:54:57 RST38h, it is convenient for marking many files Feb 22 09:54:59 theres no feedback to know you have selected a file Feb 22 09:55:00 last icon based fm that worked for me was NeXTstep Filer, and I turned icons off there =) Feb 22 09:55:14 AStorm: Ins+PageDown Feb 22 09:55:20 no Feb 22 09:55:21 im not talking icons, im on about list selection, or tree nodes Feb 22 09:55:28 I meant non-continuous Feb 22 09:55:36 thunar \o/ Feb 22 09:55:37 Ctrl + click Feb 22 09:55:42 yup Feb 22 09:55:50 AStorm: you still need to peck through the window Feb 22 09:55:58 when its live and responsive it works Feb 22 09:56:01 AStorm: very unfomfortable when you need to scroll Feb 22 09:56:06 RST38h, yes, so? Feb 22 09:56:12 In console based fm, it is Ins / Down / PageDown Feb 22 09:56:18 I said we need a tablet-made fm Feb 22 09:56:27 Ah, you mean for the tablet... Feb 22 09:56:35 the original one is correct Feb 22 09:56:36 :P Feb 22 09:56:39 don't you think? Feb 22 09:56:42 no. Feb 22 09:56:45 ok :) Feb 22 09:57:00 AStorm: Let me see if there is a NeXT filer clone out there Feb 22 09:57:09 AStorm: it may be exactly what we need for the tablet Feb 22 09:57:17 AStorm: something fast and kinetic perhaps :P ;) Feb 22 09:57:26 AStorm: very compact and mouse oriented Feb 22 09:58:54 yes, and maybe modal? Feb 22 09:59:02 selection mode? Feb 22 09:59:26 because holding shift/ctrl/whatever is not good Feb 22 09:59:53 or maybe select by default Feb 22 09:59:58 some kind of menu "selection mode" Feb 22 10:00:04 and have "clear selection" button Feb 22 10:00:04 which adds tickboxes for your selection Feb 22 10:00:17 lol, why menu? Feb 22 10:00:25 why 1D on a 2D screen? Feb 22 10:00:31 cos most of the time you dont need loads of ticks in the way Feb 22 10:01:19 jyro: autobuilder wants a src-deb. Feb 22 10:01:36 There are instructions for using dput from there Feb 22 10:01:40 i see Feb 22 10:02:16 ok, i am guess i will use py2deb or something to make that src-deb Feb 22 10:02:17 lcukx41, not sure if kinetic is ok Feb 22 10:02:20 thanks for the info Feb 22 10:02:34 AStorm: there is gworkspace =) Feb 22 10:02:41 imagine THAT on a tablet Feb 22 10:03:05 I find most kinetic uis fairly unwieldy... missing options etc. Feb 22 10:03:18 I mean, I tend to miss items Feb 22 10:03:24 thats down tothe app itself Feb 22 10:03:31 and engage kinetics instead of clicks and vice versa Feb 22 10:03:33 kinetic just works to make it easy to scroll around Feb 22 10:03:44 nahhh best of both Feb 22 10:03:49 no, I prefer a wide scrollbar Feb 22 10:04:05 i can kinetic and select from the graffiti, or now in the new one i can kinetic or select from calendar Feb 22 10:04:09 not friction Feb 22 10:04:56 no reason why you cant - a scrollbar gives info and can remain usable Feb 22 10:05:19 i have one in the graffiti view which i use occasionally Feb 22 10:05:30 but scrollbars are bob for touch with thousands of items Feb 22 10:07:07 you waste 100*480 pixels to show a knob 100*4 pixels in size and have to aim for that tiny little thing Feb 22 10:09:19 considering the list itself might take up the entire 800*480 display having to restrict self to only 400 out of 384000 pixels.. Feb 22 10:11:05 morning all Feb 22 10:11:25 mornin Feb 22 10:12:34 btw, that xterm with fullscreen bbg kbd - has it ever been packaged? Feb 22 10:12:49 bbl Feb 22 10:12:52 yeah, I shoved it into my "mod" Feb 22 10:14:04 is it still osso xterm? Feb 22 10:14:35 it was indeed, last time I checked :) Feb 22 10:15:54 =) Feb 22 10:17:21 jeremiah: PING Feb 22 10:17:40 lcukx41, the trick is to scroll when you reach bottom Feb 22 10:18:05 kinetic would be ok... but no stupid ice-skating pseudo-friction Feb 22 10:21:58 let us all talk jeremiah into debianizing and repositing modified osso xterm =) Feb 22 10:22:49 doesnt the standard one work? Feb 22 10:23:08 I've added modifications to the packaging of osso-xterm to install the transparent keyboard images but I've done so in a rather dirty way (images get installed to /var/tmp and su - user -c mv moves it to ~/.osso-xterm) Feb 22 10:25:21 evil Feb 22 10:25:51 But permissions are correct at least =) Feb 22 10:27:39 Ownership? Feb 22 10:27:50 And it breaks on mer? Feb 22 10:28:24 Ownership is fine (I've verified that) and as for mer breakage, you're probably right. But it was never intended for Mer ;) Feb 22 10:36:02 qwerty: why not install into /usr/share? Feb 22 10:36:53 RST38h, good question, the person who made the fullscreen modification coded it so the images would be loaded from ~/.osso-xterm however and I never thought about changing that Feb 22 10:40:43 "So, the big news? The massive sea change that will change us forever? App stores. Yes the ability for you to find the applications that companies want you to buy, as opposed to you reading about applications online on blogs and finding them yourself" Feb 22 10:40:50 Eeeek Feb 22 10:42:26 why should an app store be against what you read in a blog? we have a store already on maemo.org/downloads Feb 22 10:42:30 * RST38h now really wonders what happens when the "services" bubble pops Feb 22 10:42:42 lcuk: Oh, it is not that Feb 22 10:43:20 lcuk: The problem here is that a lot of companies looked at Apple iPhone store and sudenly decided that this is the second coming of Christ Feb 22 10:43:37 lcuk: And they really, REALLY have to imitate it until it is "too late" Feb 22 10:44:18 In fact, poor Nokia has been trying to imitate it for a long time now - NGage, Nokia Download!, upcoming Ovi Store... Feb 22 10:45:06 well thats where nokia arent going right, its the framework that works, apple have a comfortable easy to use system which just happens to be "simple" to make new apps inside of Feb 22 10:45:17 the store ontop is just the icing Feb 22 10:46:20 sorta like what i was saying with calculators the other day, give customers 10 different calculators to choose from (and a way for some folks to make more) and let the punters choose which they want Feb 22 10:47:17 "easy to use" is not Nokia's way Feb 22 10:47:51 sure it is, its just they havent found their feet with all markets yet Feb 22 10:48:17 took Apple just ONE (long and laborous) try Feb 22 10:48:31 How many tries have we seen from Nokia? Feb 22 10:48:41 agreed Feb 22 10:50:06 oh, shit, ntfs has not been unmounted properly =( gotta reboot Feb 22 10:51:53 much better Feb 22 11:05:22 lcuk: still here? Feb 22 11:06:09 kinda, just hacking up a lung and readin slash Feb 22 11:06:30 lcuk: Let me take you even farther away from completing liqbase: http://sourceforge.net/project/screenshots.php?group_id=165683 Feb 22 11:08:33 RST38h: you wont tempt me with your cubes, theres too many of samy things to make it easy. ive implemented one of those in windows before now Feb 22 11:08:49 and i think they are awful on your eyes Feb 22 11:08:56 At least I had to try =) Feb 22 11:09:08 (no, wouldn't use something like that myself) Feb 22 11:09:18 lol Feb 22 11:10:22 rst38h, the file select for the book reader in liqbase currently shows a 1d version thereof Feb 22 11:10:33 * lcukx41 wanted it to work better than it did Feb 22 11:10:51 * RST38h is surprised seeing 1000+ file manager projects on sourceforge Feb 22 11:10:58 1000+ Feb 22 11:10:59 ? Feb 22 11:11:01 yeah common things Feb 22 11:11:02 most of them seem to be done in PHP or Perl though Feb 22 11:11:03 that's a tad much Feb 22 11:11:09 it is, it is... Feb 22 11:11:09 ah Feb 22 11:11:28 i can imagine someone wanting a two-pane gui one Feb 22 11:11:30 Best is http://bfm.forchheimer.se/ :> Feb 22 11:11:31 looking for a nextstep-like one that would hildonize well Feb 22 11:11:33 like, mc Feb 22 11:11:37 but that's about it :) Feb 22 11:11:42 directory opus. Feb 22 11:11:46 aquatix: A lot of people use Windows Commander Feb 22 11:11:50 all file managers have to compare to it Feb 22 11:11:56 * aquatix used it too Feb 22 11:11:56 and are currently lacking Feb 22 11:12:05 i know mc is similar Feb 22 11:12:05 RST38h: total commander it's called nowadays :) Feb 22 11:12:08 aquatix: so, yes, there ARE sad specimen who want two pane graphical manager Feb 22 11:12:15 aquatix: ah, whatever that shit is called Feb 22 11:12:19 hehe Feb 22 11:12:22 rst dopus is 2 pane Feb 22 11:12:25 can't stand it Feb 22 11:12:30 well, i kinda like being able to do so; i rather like mc Feb 22 11:12:35 lcuk: The old Opus of Amiga fame? Yes Feb 22 11:12:57 aquatix: I use FAR on Windows. Feb 22 11:13:26 ha Feb 22 11:13:29 rst, yeah Feb 22 11:13:38 RST38h: that's a bit limited in width though Feb 22 11:13:43 actually, dopus had feature creep and became a new explorer ;) Feb 22 11:14:42 RST38h, only reason I had to use FAR was SEFP :> Feb 22 11:15:21 http://www.boomerangsworld.de/worker/pics/worker-shot11.png <<< dopus 4 Feb 22 11:15:49 there is a dopus 9 now, something was lost in translation Feb 22 11:15:55 lcukx41: ick Feb 22 11:16:07 eurgh. the 90's can keep that. Feb 22 11:16:11 looks cluttery Feb 22 11:16:15 qwerty12: indeed Feb 22 11:16:31 aquatix: configurable as much as required Feb 22 11:16:40 still Feb 22 11:16:41 you could add or remove or setup buttons as required Feb 22 11:16:53 Is there an option to make it less fugly? Feb 22 11:16:56 i want hotkeys, no buttons :) Feb 22 11:17:21 qwerty12: build it with something else than that motiv-like toolkit :) Feb 22 11:17:34 aquatix, you first :P :) Feb 22 11:17:41 no thanks Feb 22 11:17:42 i have mc Feb 22 11:17:47 and the cli Feb 22 11:17:55 and Thunar now and then Feb 22 11:17:58 that suffices for me :) Feb 22 11:18:04 and the scent of rms :P Feb 22 11:18:14 ick Feb 22 11:19:32 ~ping Feb 22 11:19:33 ~pong Feb 22 11:19:51 What's cooking? Feb 22 11:20:48 bacon of course Feb 22 11:20:49 bacon! Feb 22 11:20:53 *g* Feb 22 11:20:59 Oh, Feb 22 11:21:04 * qwerty12 puts away the ganja Feb 22 11:25:34 DOpus9 screenshots: http://nudel.dopus.com/opus9/ Feb 22 11:29:10 Anyone happen to know a lightweight music player that uses mplayer as its backend? Built a kernel with ssvb's bluetooth fifo patch and would like try it out. Feb 22 11:30:36 youamp? Feb 22 11:31:50 Thanks but it uses gstreamer, not mplayer Feb 22 11:32:10 Youamp refused to install on my n800 Feb 22 11:33:36 if I upload to diablo-extras-builder where should I find the log? I looked here https://garage.maemo.org/builder/diablo/ Feb 22 11:34:00 Uploaded to the free queue? Feb 22 11:34:02 I should have paid more attention last time :) Feb 22 11:34:12 as per http://extras-cauldron.garage.maemo.org/HOWTO.html Feb 22 11:34:26 jeremiah: ping Feb 22 11:34:28 * qwerty12 looks at https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/extras-cauldron-builds/2009-February/thread.html Feb 22 11:34:31 which may be wrong Feb 22 11:34:34 qwerty, the new mafw should be able to use either gstreamer or mplayer as its backend, but obviously that doesnt help you now Feb 22 11:34:50 lcukx41, good info to know for the future :) Feb 22 11:34:55 right now, the simplest music player which uses mplayer is mplayer itself :P Feb 22 11:34:59 yep - looked there last night.... no sign Feb 22 11:35:01 qwerty12: if you just want to check bluetooth/a2dp cpu load and avoid any other overhead, you can use aplay: 'aplay -D bluetooth yourmusicfile.wav' Feb 22 11:35:26 hiya ssvb Feb 22 11:35:40 qwerty12: aplay is included in alsa-utils package and is easy to compile Feb 22 11:35:51 ssvb, got it, thanks Feb 22 11:39:39 qwerty12: I got this when I ran dput last night... http://pastebin.com/dd1135b8 Feb 22 11:40:00 qwerty12: the most clean test is even to put test wav file to a ramdisk in order to also avoid flash reading related activity Feb 22 11:41:41 lbt, seems correct... is your /etc/dput.cf configured correctly? Feb 22 11:42:13 yep Feb 22 11:42:26 cut'n'pasted Feb 22 11:42:40 ssvb, I'm not so much interested in benchmarking it, more like a quick observation of "is it quicker" :) (and I'm sure it will be anyway :)) Feb 22 11:44:05 lcukx41, what's x41? thinkad? Feb 22 11:44:30 s/thinkad/thinkpad/ Feb 22 11:44:31 slonopotamus meant: lcukx41, what's x41? thinkpad? Feb 22 11:44:32 lbt, btw, you don't have to sign your uploads anymore Feb 22 11:44:40 qwerty12: it would be hard to see because you usually have mmc/flash reading overhead, audio codec (mp3 decoding) overhead, sbc encoding overhead, bluetooth driver overhead and probably something else I have missed to mention, they all sum up to quite a noticeable cpu usage Feb 22 11:45:25 ah - think I have it.... Feb 22 11:45:36 the old HOWTO says : dput -f diablo-extras-builder *.changes Feb 22 11:45:58 qwerty12: optimizing just one of these part will have less visible impacto on overall improvement, but that it not an excuse not to do anything :) Feb 22 11:46:02 and I had other .changes files so I only did the armel one, not the _source one Feb 22 11:46:28 slonopotamus: yeah touchscreen jobby (well, wacom based) Feb 22 11:47:11 ssvb, :) Feb 22 11:47:24 qwerty12: sorry for the typos Feb 22 11:47:53 why apologise? /me makes them quite a lot :) Feb 22 11:57:06 * RST38h couldn't figure out why the racing car does not accelerate. Until he figured out that auto-fire was enabled Feb 22 12:25:25 X-Fade: do you know who's responsible for garage.maemo.org? Feb 22 12:35:49 herzi: what's wrong w/ it? Feb 22 12:36:10 (yes, i know, what's right w/ it would be a shorter list) Feb 22 12:36:10 the admin part for the extra tabs stuff doesn't seem to work Feb 22 12:37:16 i get "page not found" Feb 22 12:45:13 Please walk me through by link name Feb 22 12:45:31 Note that bugs belong in bugs.maemo.org in websites garage Feb 22 13:10:59 timelE61i: I visit this page: https://garage.maemo.org/project/admin/?group_id=338 Feb 22 13:11:15 and click on "Extra Tabs" (in the "Tool Admin" box) Feb 22 13:11:31 which takes me to https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/extratabs/index.php?group_id=338 Feb 22 13:11:40 which displays "page not found" Feb 22 13:12:24 I only have the tracker, frs and stats modules enabled, to I need another module for it? Feb 22 13:32:49 hey Feb 22 13:33:11 could someone try a port of opentyrian to n810? Feb 22 13:33:44 hasn't it already been done (by pupnik afaik)? Feb 22 13:34:37 these ice genies in the shuttle k45s are awesome Feb 22 13:34:42 it is done but the controls are erratic Feb 22 13:34:50 i think i might build a couple more of these things Feb 22 13:35:02 * Macer pictures a fleet of shuttle boxen Feb 22 13:35:27 RST38h, so, nobody cared to do a normal port to n810? Feb 22 13:35:29 screw that...i need to start working on making a small rackmount Feb 22 13:35:50 it is sdl, so should work Feb 22 13:36:02 gimme a link if it's there Feb 22 13:36:26 http://pupnik.de/tyrian.html Feb 22 13:37:41 thanks! Feb 22 13:37:58 (less boredom on train) Feb 22 13:38:50 controls need work Feb 22 13:39:19 Someone may fix it if the source is there :) Feb 22 13:40:47 shopper 0.5 is in extras-devel - I'd appreciate any testing/comments. The gesturing and finger scrolling may need a bit of tuning. Feb 22 13:43:35 lbt. what does shopper do? Feb 22 13:43:59 It's a shopping list application - a ticklist Feb 22 13:44:27 My other half wanted one :) Feb 22 13:45:49 heh david, its great finding an excuse to tinker in virtual garage Feb 22 13:46:23 it is indeed... :) Feb 22 13:46:29 lbt, whats the footprint of shopper now Feb 22 13:46:32 AStorm: Well, you will be the first to fix it :) Feb 22 13:46:42 cos doesnt it require qt ontop Feb 22 13:46:47 yes Feb 22 13:47:17 how large is it now? (i assume once we have it it will be useful for other qt things) Feb 22 13:47:18 it's only 100k Feb 22 13:47:23 for qt? Feb 22 13:47:25 herzi: indeed... :( Feb 22 13:47:28 err no Feb 22 13:47:31 lol Feb 22 13:47:41 it used to work Feb 22 13:47:41 Qt is many Mb Feb 22 13:47:55 your shopper is a gateway drug to larger memory devices Feb 22 13:47:57 timelE61i: will report a bug then Feb 22 13:48:13 well, it should only use some Qt libraries Feb 22 13:48:15 Please Feb 22 13:48:18 Qt is modular Feb 22 13:48:22 IIRC Feb 22 13:48:30 timelE61i: you want to be CC'ed? then mention your email please Feb 22 13:48:34 sOrry, i fell asleep Feb 22 13:48:40 but I doubt my dependency list is tuned Feb 22 13:48:44 Nah, i'll live w/o the mail Feb 22 13:48:59 lbt well i thought that, and i tried to find a minimal source build (core qt widget + label + textbox for instance) Feb 22 13:49:17 but it had so much stuff that said it was requiring i couldnt cut through it all Feb 22 13:49:29 you want qt-maemo-example-0.1 Feb 22 13:49:31 * lcukx41 would be happily using qt foundations Feb 22 13:49:59 no, not just a hello world, i meant clean cruft free source building of the qt system Feb 22 13:50:04 the seed components so to speak Feb 22 13:50:24 that is the debian minimal build Feb 22 13:50:42 so there is a build-dep Feb 22 13:50:46 on qt4-dev Feb 22 13:50:52 yes? Feb 22 13:51:03 ill have another look then when i get a machine with more horsepower to work from Feb 22 13:51:29 it's no more demanding than gtk Feb 22 13:51:53 demanding in building and compilation Feb 22 13:51:59 correct Feb 22 13:52:12 compiling a hello world in c++ takes 10x longer than c Feb 22 13:52:43 lBt: fwiw... Many years ago, i built mozilla (firefox happened later) from scratch daily Feb 22 13:52:45 yes.... but Qt == gtk and > C Feb 22 13:53:02 This included building gtk or qt depending on the mozilla Feb 22 13:53:02 qt != gtk Feb 22 13:53:19 It didn't hurt my build times much to build gtk Feb 22 13:53:34 timelE61i: MB#4141 in case you want to subscribe Feb 22 13:53:38 building gtk libraries or gtk version of moz? Feb 22 13:53:48 But for qt, i had to save the qt binaries if i wanted to build moz in reasonable times Feb 22 13:54:07 Lbt: i built gtk first, then moz against my gtk Feb 22 13:54:20 Or qt first and then moz against my qt Feb 22 13:54:21 oh yes, Qt is bigger than gtk Feb 22 13:54:34 This was 2000/2001 Feb 22 13:54:37 OTOH given the gtk-dev and qt-dev Feb 22 13:54:52 it shouldnt be though :P you can build an os with a core ~ 10 widgets Feb 22 13:54:55 then building an app against either is comparable Feb 22 13:55:01 I had a 25mb quota'd homedir Feb 22 13:55:06 lol Feb 22 13:55:06 well, maybe in Gentoo Feb 22 13:55:18 So i couldn't really keep gecko or similar Feb 22 13:55:34 Instead, i downloaded everything to /tmp Feb 22 13:55:40 And built there daily Feb 22 13:56:01 From scratch. @4am the boxes rebooted and emptied /tmp Feb 22 13:56:24 pupnik, can't bind any random letters for them? (n810) Feb 22 13:56:34 although I intended to compare qt-shopper and gtk-shopper - not building libqt* and libgtk* Feb 22 13:56:36 at 3:59 rename /tmp to something else ;) Feb 22 13:56:37 (wrt opentyrian) Feb 22 13:57:01 Stskeeps, update-description for bootmenu? :P Feb 22 13:57:05 lcuk: quota. I couldn't put it anywhere Feb 22 13:57:10 Cpu was cheap Feb 22 13:57:38 :'( i need more cpu Feb 22 13:57:47 Anyway, build times for gecko didn't really change if i changed toolkits Feb 22 13:57:59 that's what I meant :) Feb 22 13:58:00 It was only the toolkit build times that differed Feb 22 13:58:18 * timelE61i misses uni resources Feb 22 13:58:59 AStorm: dont remember Feb 22 14:00:52 if I beat it in 6h... on dpad... Feb 22 14:01:03 on Normal... Feb 22 14:01:22 you did? Feb 22 14:02:23 I did it with a joystick a long time ago Feb 22 14:02:28 so why not dpad Feb 22 14:02:30 :> Feb 22 14:02:39 nice Feb 22 14:02:52 should work with dpad Feb 22 14:04:04 some levels are deadly, very much like those japanese "pattern shooters" Feb 22 14:04:52 * AStorm hints at Holes Feb 22 14:05:41 Aleste/Zanac? Feb 22 14:06:33 well, ep.1 only has deadly Holes bonus level Feb 22 14:07:34 now, ep. 3... the final Gencore one (can't remember) is harder than this Feb 22 14:08:56 or was that ep. 4 Feb 22 14:09:19 astorm thats great that you know about this game Feb 22 14:09:30 speed needs improving too, no... Feb 22 14:09:33 It means AStorm will be able to fix the controls? Feb 22 14:09:42 pupnik: hey, speed is quite ok! =) Feb 22 14:09:51 (any faster and they will kill me!) Feb 22 14:09:51 ok Feb 22 14:09:59 zeah Feb 22 14:17:15