**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Feb 25 02:59:57 2009
Feb 25 03:17:08 <riot> bef0rd: thanks.
Feb 25 04:32:13 <Macer> ugh
Feb 25 04:32:23 <Macer> i'm scanning all the paperwork i have in the house and shredding it
Feb 25 04:32:25 <Macer> then burning it
Feb 25 04:32:51 <Macer> holy shit this stuff piles up.. i think i've shreded 2 30gal garbage bags worth of shit already
Feb 25 04:34:58 <b-man> wow
Feb 25 05:13:21 * b-man sleeps
Feb 25 06:23:45 <RST38h> ehlo all
Feb 25 07:18:57 <L0cutus> giorno
Feb 25 07:35:18 <dougt> anyone know much about liblocation -- specifically why it is linking to glib debug?
Feb 25 07:52:15 <dougt> basically, i am seeing something like this:
Feb 25 07:52:17 <dougt> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/628156
Feb 25 07:52:49 <dougt> and I am worried about those GLIB DEBUG prints.  I am pretty sure they should not be there. ideally, right?
Feb 25 08:06:26 <Pavlz> hello
Feb 25 08:07:06 <Pavlz> i need of tftp for nokia 770
Feb 25 08:07:44 <AstralStorm> why? use ssh and sftp - works almost as well
Feb 25 08:08:26 <Pavlz> because to access to the buffalo is necessary tftp
Feb 25 08:09:22 <AstralStorm> hmm, can't help you with that, sorry, I've no idea
Feb 25 08:09:46 <AstralStorm> might want to try gronmayer
Feb 25 08:09:50 <Pavlz> you don't port it ?
Feb 25 08:10:10 <Pavlz> thanks
Feb 25 08:10:13 <Pavlz> Bye
Feb 25 08:19:53 <dougt> anyone have qgil's email address?
Feb 25 08:20:36 <suihkulokki> firstname.lastname@employer.com
Feb 25 08:20:49 <dougt> suihkulokki: does that work?  :-)
Feb 25 08:21:16 <timelE61i> yEs.
Feb 25 08:21:50 <jaem> hey timeless
Feb 25 08:21:54 <jaem> what was that pm about?
Feb 25 08:22:35 <timelE61i> When?
Feb 25 08:22:50 * timelE61i tries to send dougt an sms
Feb 25 08:22:55 <jaem> on the 19th, but I didn't get it until today, for some reason
Feb 25 08:23:07 <jaem> you sent me a link to a zip of a bunch of l10n pkgs
Feb 25 08:24:30 <aquatix> morning all
Feb 25 08:26:25 <AstralStorm> moaning
Feb 25 08:32:09 <RST38h> ehlo astorm
Feb 25 08:35:49 <dougt> sp3000: could you help me out?  I need the dbg package for liblocation.
Feb 25 08:38:27 <Mousey> n810 + EyeOS = win!
Feb 25 09:18:55 <X-Fade> Morning
Feb 25 09:19:23 <RST38h> Hehe: http://i.gizmodo.com/5159842/the-government-is-not-spying-on-you-through-your-dtv-converter-box
Feb 25 09:20:02 <tank-man> spying thru your tv? someones reading 1984 too much
Feb 25 09:20:47 <RST38h> good hoax though, must have brought many mentally unstable guys over the brink =)
Feb 25 10:06:07 <Jaffa> Morning, all
Feb 25 10:07:45 <Stskeeps> morning
Feb 25 10:08:13 * Stskeeps notes twitter searches are an interesting way to get live news updates from citizens watching.
Feb 25 10:08:27 <Stskeeps> (turkish airlines crash in amsterdam)
Feb 25 10:08:51 <Jaffa> Stskeeps: URL?
Feb 25 10:09:30 <Stskeeps> not much yet, is on breaking news on cnn, http://search.twitter.com/search?q=schipol+crash :P
Feb 25 10:09:45 <aquatix> yep
Feb 25 10:09:49 <X-Fade> http://www.twitpic.com/1ol2n
Feb 25 10:09:51 <aquatix> http://twitpic.com/1ol2n
Feb 25 10:09:52 <X-Fade> Picture.
Feb 25 10:09:54 <aquatix> dang
Feb 25 10:09:54 <X-Fade> Ah ;)
Feb 25 10:10:03 <aquatix> http://www.nu.nl/algemeen/1923104/vliegtuig-neergestort-bij-schiphol.html
Feb 25 10:10:09 <aquatix> also with other picture
Feb 25 10:10:20 <aquatix> X-Fade: btw, check http://www.nos.nl/nosjournaal/artikelen/2009/2/25/250209_tijdlijn.html
Feb 25 10:10:25 <aquatix> it has the twitter pic :)
Feb 25 10:10:42 <X-Fade> aquatix: Great crowd sourcing ;)
Feb 25 10:10:46 <aquatix> http://www.ad.nl/multimedia/archive/00199/Boeing_737_Turkish__199133b.jpg
Feb 25 10:10:48 <aquatix> ouch
Feb 25 10:10:53 <aquatix> that's a better pic
Feb 25 10:11:01 <Stskeeps> jeez
Feb 25 10:11:18 <X-Fade> No runway in sight.
Feb 25 10:11:29 <Stskeeps> impressive if people survived that
Feb 25 10:11:39 <Jaffa> Stskeeps: ah, so you're searching twitter do find info on news stories, not the news stories themselves.
Feb 25 10:11:43 <X-Fade> 40 people are said to have walked away.
Feb 25 10:11:58 <Stskeeps> Jaffa: well i read it initially on news stories
Feb 25 10:12:03 <X-Fade> But about 130 estimated on board. Nothing known about the difference in count..
Feb 25 10:12:11 <Stskeeps> and then i went for higher update rate on twitter :P
Feb 25 10:12:48 <Stskeeps> aquatix: maybe an old pic
Feb 25 10:12:55 <Stskeeps> aquatix: i mean, if that's a runway..
Feb 25 10:13:02 <Stskeeps> then schipol got a little more grassy since last :P
Feb 25 10:13:31 <aquatix> heh
Feb 25 10:13:33 <X-Fade> Plane in better days: http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/middle/2/4/4/1466442.jpg
Feb 25 10:13:39 <aquatix> they almost made it to the runway
Feb 25 10:13:49 <aquatix> Stskeeps: this is some field  outside Schiphol
Feb 25 10:14:35 <Stskeeps> mm
Feb 25 10:14:44 * Stskeeps went to schipol a year ago or so
Feb 25 10:15:44 * aquatix lives in a city about 20 minutes away from it
Feb 25 10:16:57 <Stskeeps> you have to wonder if stuff like twitter is future of news reporting though :P
Feb 25 10:17:55 <RST38h> What happened? Missed the runway?
Feb 25 10:18:16 <RST38h> Sts: "Stuff like twitter" existed for years under the name IRC :)
Feb 25 10:18:29 <RST38h> Sts: Has been used for real time news reporting too
Feb 25 10:18:37 <Stskeeps> RST38h: yeah, true
Feb 25 10:18:47 <Stskeeps> i do recall sitting on irc with some of the more major events
Feb 25 10:18:49 <RST38h> Like in 1991 for example
Feb 25 10:19:01 <Stskeeps> though not that far back :P referring to the russian coup or how was it?
Feb 25 10:19:21 <X-Fade> It seems it ran out of runway and ended up in that field.
Feb 25 10:19:58 <aquatix> it `missed the runway' news sources say
Feb 25 10:20:03 <aquatix> not sure how to interpret that
Feb 25 10:20:12 <X-Fade> aquatix: http://www.nos.nl/nosjournaal/artikelen/2009/2/25/250209_vliegtuig_schiphol.html
Feb 25 10:21:56 <RST38h> Sts: yea
Feb 25 10:22:12 <RST38h> Sts: but it was also used in 2001 and on some other occassions
Feb 25 10:22:15 <Stskeeps> *nod*
Feb 25 10:22:29 <Stskeeps> yeah, i really ought to have used that as a better example :)
Feb 25 10:22:54 <Jaffa> Stskeeps: you might quite like twitterfall.com, btw for constantly updated search results.
Feb 25 10:23:25 <Stskeeps> oh neat
Feb 25 10:23:57 <Stskeeps> <- news junkie :P
Feb 25 10:26:02 * Jaffa wonders why Jaffa2 isn't following Stskeeps on twitter
Feb 25 10:26:11 <Stskeeps> i'm not on twitter :P
Feb 25 10:27:19 <Jaffa> Ah. Just stalking those who are :)
Feb 25 10:27:38 <Stskeeps> hehe
Feb 25 10:30:37 <X-Fade> http://twitter.com/nipp Eye witness.
Feb 25 10:35:32 <andre__> uh. just heard that on the radio :-/
Feb 25 10:36:23 <dneary> Hi
Feb 25 10:36:39 <dneary> Jaffa: What do you think of this (I'm writing the "nominations are open" mail):
Feb 25 10:36:50 <dneary> Candidates eligible for election (*) can be nominated by anyone in the community. If a maemo.org community member nominates someone other than themselves, the nomination must be accepted by the nominee before it is official.
Feb 25 10:37:44 <dneary> Gah! http://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?title=Community_Council/Eligible_candidates
Feb 25 10:37:59 <dneary> Anidel and one other person had a comma in their employer field
Feb 25 10:38:17 <dneary> And awk isn't intelligent about escaping commas in quoted strings
Feb 25 10:38:25 <X-Fade> aquatix: Journaal 24 is showing live pictures now.
Feb 25 10:39:43 <dneary> Good ol' John Costigan
Feb 25 10:39:46 <Jaffa> dneary: Are you going to have two sections: "Declared candidates" and "Other nominations"
Feb 25 10:40:28 <dneary> Jaffa: I plan to ensure that nominations are accepted or declined quickly, so that isn't necessary
Feb 25 10:41:02 <dneary> This is to address a concern of lardman (I think) who wanted to see more people nominated by people other than themselves
Feb 25 10:41:52 <Jaffa> Indeed
Feb 25 10:43:14 <RST38h> dneary: Is Quim an eligible candidate?
Feb 25 10:43:30 <dneary> RST38h: Of course
Feb 25 10:43:46 <RST38h> Or, to clarify, are Nokia employees eligible to run?
Feb 25 10:43:55 <dneary> RST38h: I don't think he'd want to be on the council, but there is definitely nothing preventing someone working for Nokia being on the council
Feb 25 10:43:56 <Stskeeps> http://www.geenstijl.nl/archives/images/ANP-9259316.jpg <- jeez
Feb 25 10:44:03 <RST38h> ok
Feb 25 10:44:03 <dneary> In fact, I would encourage it
Feb 25 10:44:08 <dneary> Personally
Feb 25 10:44:24 <dneary> (after all, Nokia employees are part of the Maemo community, are they not?)
Feb 25 10:44:37 <RST38h> They are of course
Feb 25 10:44:38 <Jaffa> Indeed
Feb 25 10:44:55 <Jaffa> RST38h: They just have to make it clear in their declaration that they have a commercial interest in Maemo
Feb 25 10:44:58 <RST38h> But I am having a feeling there might be a conflict of interest
Feb 25 10:45:19 <RST38h> Jaffa: Well, as individuals, they do not
Feb 25 10:45:20 <Jaffa> Up to the voters to judge ;-)
Feb 25 10:45:33 <RST38h> Ok, fair.
Feb 25 10:45:45 <Jaffa> RST38h: I can't remember the exact wording. Suffice to say, they have to make it clear when campaigning that they are employed by Nokia
Feb 25 10:45:53 <RST38h> Ah
Feb 25 10:46:18 <dneary> RST38h: Between any two people on the council, there is a conflict of interests
Feb 25 10:46:37 <dneary> RST38h: Jaffa doesn't always agree with lardman or GeneralAntilles
Feb 25 10:46:47 <RST38h> dneary: that is not the conflict of interest I meant :)
Feb 25 10:47:56 <dneary> RST38h: "Conflict of interests", as you use it, is when someone has two masters, in some sense: when their role as a community council member is in conflict with their role as a Nokia employee
Feb 25 10:48:07 <dneary> I can conceive of a few situations when that might happen
Feb 25 10:48:52 <dneary> If the person has some confidential information that would be useful to a council discussion, or if the council were advocating something which would be counter to his employment contract, but they're few & far between
Feb 25 10:48:59 <dneary> And can, I think, be managed
Feb 25 10:49:01 * Jaffa now's going to have to consider whether or not to stand again.
Feb 25 10:49:14 <dneary> Jaffa: You'll get a sore bum if you don't
Feb 25 10:49:21 <dneary> Eventually
Feb 25 10:49:22 <Jaffa> dneary: but my legs won't get tired
Feb 25 10:49:46 <dneary> OK - failing opposition, bombs away!
Feb 25 10:51:27 <Jaffa> dneary: someone needs to update http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council#Election_Process with the referenda changes
Feb 25 10:51:41 * Jaffa can do so, instead of working. Shouldn't take long
Feb 25 10:54:32 <dneary> Jaffa: OK, go for it
Feb 25 10:56:01 <Jaffa> Done.
Feb 25 10:56:22 <Stskeeps> morning yerga
Feb 25 10:57:20 <yerga> morning!
Feb 25 11:10:00 <Stskeeps> morning wazd
Feb 25 11:33:55 <aquatix> X-Fade: ah
Feb 25 11:41:01 <Stskeeps> hm, danes on that plane
Feb 25 11:43:20 <aquatix> <spam>
Feb 25 11:43:23 <aquatix> http://www.geenstijl.nl/archives/images/ANP-9259316.jpg
Feb 25 11:43:23 <aquatix> http://www.geenstijl.nl/archives/images/crashschiphol2.jpg
Feb 25 11:43:23 <aquatix> http://www.geenstijl.nl/archives/images/ANP-9259371.jpg
Feb 25 11:43:23 <aquatix> http://www.rtvnh.nl/cmsroot/Nieuwsfotos/Verkeer,vervoer/Schiphol,vliegtuigem,douane/Gebeurtenissen/Vliegtuig-neergestort3.jpg
Feb 25 11:43:27 <aquatix> </spam>
Feb 25 11:43:37 <aquatix> highres pics of the plane
Feb 25 11:43:41 <Stskeeps> yeah, saw most
Feb 25 11:43:51 <Stskeeps> did the authorities agree on how many dead yet? :P
Feb 25 11:45:43 <aquatix> not that i know
Feb 25 11:45:52 <aquatix> CNN Turkey said 1 (at least)
Feb 25 11:45:59 <aquatix> 80 have left the plane already
Feb 25 11:46:05 * Stskeeps ponders idly how bad a pr disaster it would be if the danish prime minister resigned today along with danes being in a plane crash..
Feb 25 11:46:18 <Stskeeps> (there are rumours due to NATO general secretary position so :ÆP)
Feb 25 11:46:30 <zs1> so many planes crashes recently, wtf?
Feb 25 11:46:39 <Stskeeps> it's winter, it's snow, ..
Feb 25 11:46:54 <Stskeeps> .. and the terrorist birds
Feb 25 11:47:36 <aquatix> Stskeeps: oh please, not the terrorist talk
Feb 25 11:47:37 <aquatix> :)
Feb 25 11:47:54 <aquatix> it's likely bad maintenance or some overly tired or badly schooled pilot
Feb 25 11:50:02 <Andy80> hi all
Feb 25 11:54:03 <Stskeeps> aquatix: terrorist bird flocks! ;p
Feb 25 11:54:10 <X-Fade> Plane tried to land in the field. Stalled at the last moment and dropped straight down from low hight.
Feb 25 11:55:36 <Stskeeps> well, if it was low height that probably helped..
Feb 25 11:55:52 <aquatix> Stskeeps: ha, suicide birds
Feb 25 11:56:04 <X-Fade> 5 body bags spotted. Most people just walked away.
Feb 25 11:56:21 <aquatix> X-Fade: ah
Feb 25 11:56:29 <aquatix> there are also rumours about 7+
Feb 25 11:56:33 <aquatix> among which 1 pilot
Feb 25 11:57:29 <X-Fade> aquatix: I saw live images where there were about 5 people under blankets. Rest is rumour ;)
Feb 25 11:58:38 <pupnik_> hmm interesting ..  http://www.gata.org/node/7197   Ex-Treasury official confirms gold suppression scheme
Feb 25 11:59:53 <aquatix> X-Fade: yep
Feb 25 11:59:58 <Jaffa> BBC says "all 135 survived"
Feb 25 12:00:38 <RST38h> incredibke
Feb 25 12:00:44 <X-Fade> Jaffa: Misinformed.
Feb 25 12:01:13 <glass> some places are saying else
Feb 25 12:01:22 <Jaffa> Quoting Turkish Transport Minister - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7909683.stm
Feb 25 12:01:25 <glass> but no pics of bodies?
Feb 25 12:01:41 <Jaffa> The summary is more specific in this statement on news.bbc.co.uk than the article itself.
Feb 25 12:02:08 <RST38h> glass: check rotten.com in a few days
Feb 25 12:02:25 <glass> RST38h: that would've had confirmed it one way or another
Feb 25 12:02:33 <RST38h> glass: indeed
Feb 25 12:02:45 <glass> most of the press is just quoting initial press at this point i suppose
Feb 25 12:02:49 <glass> which is conflicting
Feb 25 12:02:56 <RST38h> self pollination
Feb 25 12:07:50 <X-Fade> NOS news now says 9 dead. 3 in cockpit.
Feb 25 12:08:04 <aquatix> ah
Feb 25 12:08:43 <aquatix> sucky
Feb 25 12:46:05 <rmt> So... I want a toy... and soon enough I'll want a new phone.. I'm basically tossing up getting a N810, or waiting for the/a new android phone (available sometime in April, according to Vodafone).. I want to be able to do development for it..
Feb 25 12:47:02 <rmt> I could either get an N810 and later a cheaper phone (so long as it has bluetooth).
Feb 25 12:48:12 * Stskeeps works fine with a SE 3g phone and a n800
Feb 25 12:48:31 <Stskeeps> and i wouldn't touch an android phone that is locked like the G1 one is :P
Feb 25 12:48:44 <rmt> The Maemo platform gives me much more flexibility as far as programming goes.. but will I really be carrying the device around with me so much when I'll want it..
Feb 25 12:48:59 * xnt1337 is Stuck With a Blackberry, with no data plan, and no compatability with n810 :(
Feb 25 12:49:28 <Stskeeps> rmt: my tablet lives close to my chest when i'm on the go
Feb 25 12:49:30 <jeremiah_> Oh. That is not so 1337
Feb 25 12:49:33 <RST38h> rmt: If you want a toy, then this shouldn't really be an issue
Feb 25 12:50:29 <jeremiah_> rmt: I think you will find Maemo a better platform than Android, but that's just me, I'm biased. :)
Feb 25 12:50:39 <rmt> I could also spend a bit more in the future and also get a decent phone (eg. Nokia E71) that isn't quite so open, but will be a reasonable substitute when I don't have the 810.. I'm largely thinking navigation and the odd webpage/email.
Feb 25 12:50:54 <RST38h> E71 is bad for navigation
Feb 25 12:50:57 <RST38h> Small screen
Feb 25 12:51:04 <aquatix> I think the combination of an E71 with a N810 is quite nice
Feb 25 12:51:17 * aquatix has a SE m600i with a N810 and liking it
Feb 25 12:51:25 <aquatix> RST38h: i have good eyes ;)
Feb 25 12:51:28 <rmt> I suspect that Maemo isn't a viable option for many commercial apps, though .. but, in all seriousness, I doubt I've got the staying power to develop and support a commercial app.. :-P
Feb 25 12:51:35 * aquatix uses his m600i for navigation now and then
Feb 25 12:51:38 <RST38h> aquatix: it has few pixels, your eyes won't help
Feb 25 12:51:46 <aquatix> RST38h: hell, the thing talks to me
Feb 25 12:51:51 <aquatix> what more do i want :)
Feb 25 12:51:54 <RST38h> ah
Feb 25 12:51:59 <Stskeeps> rmt: they're excellent playing with and experimenting on, for sure :P
Feb 25 12:52:01 <RST38h> does it have breasts?
Feb 25 12:52:06 <aquatix> RST38h: ha
Feb 25 12:52:24 <rmt> How's the N810 for reading in sunlight?
Feb 25 12:52:34 * lcuk giggles at another hit on his keyword bingo
Feb 25 12:52:34 <xnt1337> LOL http://i.gizmodo.com/5159827/computer-crashes-due-to-an-internal-worm-literally
Feb 25 12:52:36 <RST38h> decent
Feb 25 12:52:47 <aquatix> lcuk: hm?
Feb 25 12:52:53 <RST38h> aside from a weird scanline effect that pops up in direct sunlight
Feb 25 12:53:04 <lcuk> " breasts" :D
Feb 25 12:53:04 <aquatix> yeah, what RST38h says
Feb 25 12:53:06 <lcuk> brb
Feb 25 12:53:12 <rmt> I could wait for a Pixel-Qi display for ebooks, but then it probably won't be in a device I want in the near future anyway..
Feb 25 12:53:18 <xnt1337> RST38h: what scanline effect?
Feb 25 12:53:19 <aquatix> lcuk: oh, i read buzzword bingo
Feb 25 12:53:32 <aquatix> xnt1337: you see some refresh rate
Feb 25 12:53:32 <RST38h> xnt: try taking your tablet out and holding it under the sun
Feb 25 12:53:33 <aquatix> somehow
Feb 25 12:53:44 <RST38h> xnt: you will see slight flickering horizontal lines
Feb 25 12:53:57 <aquatix> RST38h: any idea how that's possible btw?
Feb 25 12:54:04 <aquatix> i have wondered myself
Feb 25 12:54:06 <RST38h> xnt: it is only visible under direct light
Feb 25 12:54:09 <xnt1337> ok
Feb 25 12:54:15 <RST38h> aquatix; well, the screen does have to refresh
Feb 25 12:54:43 <aquatix> RST38h: myeah
Feb 25 12:54:58 <RST38h> aquatix: I guess when it refreshes the crystals shift a bit :)
Feb 25 12:55:13 <aquatix> indeed
Feb 25 12:55:39 <RST38h> by "shift" I mean changing polarization of course :)
Feb 25 12:56:01 <lcuk> in sunlight the tablet goes greyscale
Feb 25 12:56:05 <lcuk> all the color washes from it
Feb 25 12:56:16 <RST38h> lcuk: not all color, really :)
Feb 25 12:56:22 <RST38h> it does look bleaker, yes
Feb 25 12:56:34 <RST38h> but does not lose the image like most laptops
Feb 25 12:56:56 <lcuk> no, it doesnt lose the image, but the saturation drops quickly
Feb 25 12:57:02 <RST38h> yea
Feb 25 12:57:05 <rmt> I'm guessing that the 810 would be a good companion device to language learning (I'm in Italy at the moment, learning the language half the time) .. jot down new words/maintain my own dictionary, have a grammar reference in there, and a proper Italian-English dictionary.. Stardict should do the job, I guess.. any (better) other/commercial dictionaries?
Feb 25 12:57:20 <RST38h> none
Feb 25 12:57:29 <lcuk> the internet
Feb 25 12:57:31 <RST38h> Stardict is pretty much what you will have to use
Feb 25 12:57:40 <RST38h> unless you want to go online
Feb 25 12:57:55 <rmt> Probably not an option in the classroom.. okay, will explore stardict some more.
Feb 25 12:58:21 <RST38h> well, if you have a decent data plan, you can use internet from the classroom
Feb 25 12:58:36 <RST38h> connecting through a phone is really painless with n8x0
Feb 25 12:59:22 <rmt> Might be a possibility for a couple of months.. no great data plans.. but I think €9/month for 250MB should be enough for classroom usage.
Feb 25 12:59:40 <Stskeeps> mm, didn't the "iphone subscriptions" hit italy yet?
Feb 25 12:59:58 <rmt> Prepaid.. not here long enough for a contract.
Feb 25 13:00:03 <Stskeeps> ah
Feb 25 13:01:07 <rmt> Last contract I got was in Germany (2 years).. had it for 2 months before leaving for a contract in Holland.  Not quite worth it.
Feb 25 13:01:24 <Stskeeps> on the other hand the n810 is an excellent travel device.
Feb 25 13:01:35 <Stskeeps> it has saved my ass so many times, heh
Feb 25 13:02:23 <rmt> Yeah.. was thinking that walking around new cities would be great with it. It has apps to use OpenStreetMap, yes?
Feb 25 13:02:29 <Stskeeps> yeah
Feb 25 13:02:36 <Stskeeps> maemomapper is excellent
Feb 25 13:02:37 <aquatix> rmt: 250MB/month for regular light browsing should suffice i think
Feb 25 13:02:58 <rmt> Got enough WiFi hotspots at cafes for the normal places I'd use it. :-)
Feb 25 13:06:29 * lcuk cannot get rid of this cough
Feb 25 13:07:07 <aquatix> lcuk: eat some liqorice?
Feb 25 13:07:09 <lcuk> i tried everything, medicine to seeing the doctor - i even installed Norton AV
Feb 25 13:07:14 <aquatix> heh
Feb 25 13:07:34 <lcuk> :D liquorice
Feb 25 13:07:43 <lcuk> where would i get some
Feb 25 13:08:07 <lcuk>  /media/mmc1/svn/liqbase/libliqbase/vworld/widgets/liquorice.c
Feb 25 13:08:23 <aquatix> lcuk: not sure
Feb 25 13:08:26 * lcuk hates that path
Feb 25 13:08:28 <aquatix> here you can get it everywhere
Feb 25 13:09:09 <lcuk> i'd prolly be arrested if i tried to buy some liquorice here
Feb 25 13:09:26 <lcuk> "scuse me mate, you got any liquorice?"
Feb 25 13:09:30 <aquatix> ghehe
Feb 25 13:11:29 <lcuk> goin workin again anyway
Feb 25 13:11:37 * lcuk deletes 20 fields and adds 3
Feb 25 13:12:04 <andre__> argh. fullquote + answering above the quote in bugzilla. i should define a "do this again and you get blocked" policy :-/
Feb 25 13:14:13 <rmt> Does the N810 have an accelerator meter or a compass?
Feb 25 13:14:23 <aquatix> nope
Feb 25 13:14:43 <rmt> Sad, but not that important.
Feb 25 13:15:09 <Stskeeps> rmt: next one (RX-51) seems to have though. and i think someone did a hw mod for it too
Feb 25 13:15:24 <Stskeeps> internettablettalk.com/forums is a good place to look up all the crazy stuff people do with this stuff :P
Feb 25 13:17:56 <rmt> Is there any anticipated date for the RX-51 ?
Feb 25 13:18:11 <Stskeeps> nop, but we're eagerly awaiting :P
Feb 25 13:18:25 <aquatix> indeed
Feb 25 13:19:22 * rmt twiddles his thumbs impatiently.. what about now?
Feb 25 13:19:30 <Stskeeps> rmt: i'll (sadly) have to warn you that Nokia is not porting the new OS for RX-51 to the older tablets :/
Feb 25 13:19:50 <Stskeeps> we are working on backports of many of the components though (wiki.maemo.org/Mer )
Feb 25 13:19:56 <rmt> Okay.
Feb 25 13:20:18 <Stskeeps> which may prove to be even more useful in action than Fremantle, heh
Feb 25 13:21:06 <Stskeeps> (but that's just cos i'm biased.)
Feb 25 13:21:47 <RST38h> Sts: Speaking of Mer, has the situation with binary components changed?
Feb 25 13:22:19 <Stskeeps> RST38h: not yet, but so far combination of kernel+rootfs and initfs staying there works.. and since we can now communicate with BME
Feb 25 13:22:29 <xnt1337> I am richer http://i.gizmodo.com/5159107/i-am-richer-app-pops-up-in-android-marketplace-for-200
Feb 25 13:22:30 <Stskeeps> but yes, i am waiting for any progress on that too :/
Feb 25 13:22:53 <RST38h> ahh
Feb 25 13:24:06 <xnt1337> lol that wants me to install i-am-free on my n810
Feb 25 13:24:34 <xnt1337> i mean makes me, lol my Keyboard suck
Feb 25 13:24:42 <xnt1337> i mean sucks
Feb 25 13:24:48 <RST38h> http://www.networkworld.com/news/2009/022309-i-am-richer-app-appears.html?page=1   <-- Android developers having same problems as iPhone ones (not directly related to I am Richer thing)
Feb 25 13:25:34 <rmt> I wish I were still working, then I'd feel much better about spending over €300 on a whim.  Might wait for a little while longer before buying something. :-(
Feb 25 13:25:50 <Stskeeps> 300? for a N810? :P
Feb 25 13:25:56 <Stskeeps> i think it's slightly less these days
Feb 25 13:26:22 <xnt1337> lol I wonder if google is gonna take down the I am richer app
Feb 25 13:26:59 <xnt1337> I got my n810 for 250
Feb 25 13:28:04 <rmt> Probably possible.. but in Italy, all technology costs more .. same 20% VAT as Germany, of course..
Feb 25 13:28:40 <xnt1337> ok I gotta go to School :)
Feb 25 13:28:41 <rmt> Yet trying to order technology across borders here is just painful.. Amazon doesn't do it, nor most other online stores.
Feb 25 13:29:05 <Stskeeps> well then again we do have them within EU :P
Feb 25 13:31:04 <zakkm> sell you guys a good condition n800  + F-F adapter (working ) for $150 Canadian ( US is worth more..)
Feb 25 13:31:40 <Stskeeps> getting rid of it for what reason? :P (also, iTT selling forums is decent too)
Feb 25 13:31:54 <zakkm> lack of using mostly
Feb 25 13:32:06 <zakkm> bought a 22" WS, thinking i was getting a high paycheque and i was wrong
Feb 25 13:32:12 <Stskeeps> ah
Feb 25 13:32:43 <zakkm> havent used it since mer 0.6 came out ;p
Feb 25 13:33:12 <Stskeeps> mm, 0.8 was certainly a lot more sane
Feb 25 13:33:25 <zakkm> yeah i read the forum
Feb 25 13:33:37 <zakkm> going to wait until mer is equal to maemo somewhat
Feb 25 13:33:45 <Stskeeps> *nod*
Feb 25 13:34:03 <Stskeeps> in terms of, btw?
Feb 25 13:34:06 <Stskeeps> curious question
Feb 25 13:34:37 <zakkm> apps / proper battery life
Feb 25 13:35:07 <Stskeeps> hehe, we do have lock screen now and wifi power saving :>
Feb 25 13:35:15 <RST38h> Hehehhe: http://n8xx.com/uploads.php?file=java.png
Feb 25 13:35:17 <zakkm> yeah thats cool
Feb 25 13:35:21 <RST38h> Enjoy :)
Feb 25 13:35:45 <zakkm> icq ;o
Feb 25 13:35:47 <Stskeeps> RST38h: neat
Feb 25 13:35:53 <zakkm> wow its been yearss
Feb 25 13:36:12 <RST38h> That is Jalimo though
Feb 25 13:36:25 <RST38h> n8xx.com folks say it runs but is a bit unstabke
Feb 25 13:36:38 <zakkm> on the java thingy it looks like its running icq though
Feb 25 13:36:47 <Stskeeps> RST38h: i should really try openjdk on mer sometime..
Feb 25 13:36:51 <Stskeeps> qole claims it actually works
Feb 25 13:37:17 <RST38h> Sts: it is kinda pointless though
Feb 25 13:37:25 <RST38h> Sts: Too large, too heavy on CPU
Feb 25 13:37:31 <Stskeeps> RST38h: true
Feb 25 13:37:35 * Stskeeps wouldn't mind a j2me though.
Feb 25 13:37:56 <zakkm> probably totally wrong but i thought the tablet is suppose to have like native java or something
Feb 25 13:38:00 <zakkm> java acceleration of some sort
Feb 25 13:38:04 <oli> you'd run opera mini on it :)
Feb 25 13:38:15 <Stskeeps> zakkm: yeah, jazelle, but nokia didn't license it
Feb 25 13:38:16 <Stskeeps> i think
Feb 25 13:38:39 <RST38h> zakkm: No.
Feb 25 13:38:49 <RST38h> The CPU has jazellebut it is not being used
Feb 25 13:38:56 <RST38h> and there is no Nokia's JVM on the tablet
Feb 25 13:38:56 <Jaffa> The chip does, but it's not exposed
Feb 25 13:39:09 <zakkm> no mer stuff that would expose that? :p
Feb 25 13:39:11 <RST38h> Jaffa: It is exposed, afaik
Feb 25 13:39:19 <RST38h> Jaffa: BJ <address> :)
Feb 25 13:39:41 <RST38h> Anyone knew you can videocall from rtcomm to jabber clients?
Feb 25 13:39:43 <Jaffa> RST38h: Well, true. I was trying to use "enabled". There is no technology available for Maemo to exploit the Jazelle extensions
Feb 25 13:40:05 <zakkm> why not? sounds like that would be a big release
Feb 25 13:40:08 <Stskeeps> RST38h: that actually works?
Feb 25 13:40:26 <zakkm> how come when i did gizmo videochat.. the other person just got pixels
Feb 25 13:40:30 <zakkm> like lots of pixels
Feb 25 13:40:37 <zakkm> like 10x10 resolution..
Feb 25 13:40:41 <Stskeeps> did you pop out the camera? ;p
Feb 25 13:40:45 <zakkm> yes
Feb 25 13:40:51 <zakkm> it showed it perfectly for me
Feb 25 13:41:04 <zakkm> im like you watching? there like its just pixels.. * sent screenshot * im like -.-
Feb 25 13:41:10 <Stskeeps> hehe
Feb 25 13:41:18 <Jaffa> zakkm: The only official word is that Nokia did not consider Java applets a big selling point in its core "Internet tablet" use. There's no official comment on why there's no sponsored Java development environment, though
Feb 25 13:42:20 <RST38h> Sts: Apparently it does, there is a proof image
Feb 25 13:42:25 <zakkm> ah dont have a screenshot to show but it was really terrible
Feb 25 13:42:47 <zakkm> oh wait i do
Feb 25 13:42:55 <RST38h> jaffa: jalimo guys aren't using Jazelle?
Feb 25 13:43:17 <Stskeeps> zakkm: maybe you are actually just a digital lifeform and you don't know it yourself..
Feb 25 13:43:19 * RST38h remembers this mentioned somewhere and has got an impression Jazlimo did use Jazelle
Feb 25 13:43:22 <Jaffa> Stskeeps: lardman and others on maemo-dev were trying to reverse engineer the context you needed to make BJ <address> work in practice. I don't think they ever got any code actually executing
Feb 25 13:43:34 <Jaffa> RST38h: No, there's no Jazelle being used by Jalimo AFAIK.
Feb 25 13:43:37 <Stskeeps> Jaffa: yeah, i recall
Feb 25 13:43:46 <Jaffa> Just straight bytecode -> ARM JIT.
Feb 25 13:43:55 <zakkm> http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/5720/picture1b.jpg
Feb 25 13:44:03 <zakkm> thats crazy for something that calls "video support"
Feb 25 13:44:09 <zakkm> thats my bed by the way
Feb 25 13:44:13 <Stskeeps> Jaffa: makes sense really.. using another instruction set
Feb 25 13:44:49 <aquatix> zakkm: wtf
Feb 25 13:45:06 <zakkm> aquatix : thats videochat with gizmo from my n800
Feb 25 13:45:17 <zakkm> it just shows pixels for the person im chattign with
Feb 25 13:46:31 <RST38h> zakkm: Who is in the bottom right crner? =)
Feb 25 13:46:36 <zakkm> lol a friend
Feb 25 13:47:15 <zakkm> besides the point , why does that happen ? like for my end.. it shows perfect "webcam"
Feb 25 13:47:40 <aquatix> well, your bed is barely recognisable
Feb 25 13:48:51 <Stskeeps> zakkm: probably codec issues
Feb 25 13:49:30 <zakkm> its gizmo and gizmo?
Feb 25 13:49:42 <Stskeeps> yeah, well :P
Feb 25 13:49:52 <zakkm> windows too
Feb 25 13:49:59 <zakkm> not like a svn linux version or something
Feb 25 13:50:50 <zakkm> by the way, for reference.. thesource by circuit city.. sells female to female usb adapters.. ( canada + US )
Feb 25 13:50:53 <zakkm> for those looking
Feb 25 13:51:18 * Stskeeps found f-f adaptors in .dk at some obscure shop. delivered next day. was impressed.
Feb 25 13:51:27 <zakkm> i got in store :P
Feb 25 13:51:30 <zakkm> at the mall
Feb 25 13:51:42 <zakkm> how much you pay?
Feb 25 13:51:55 <Stskeeps> not much.. like 5$
Feb 25 13:52:46 <zakkm> would a female usb to miniusb( the nokia "port" i think its called miniusb) work?
Feb 25 13:52:52 <zakkm> for usb keyboard?
Feb 25 13:53:05 <Stskeeps> guess so
Feb 25 13:53:37 <zakkm> that would save space then ;p
Feb 25 13:53:59 <AstralStorm> n800 has miniusb, yes
Feb 25 13:54:10 <zakkm> would it work though
Feb 25 13:54:23 <zakkm> would it accept usb devices
Feb 25 13:54:25 <AstralStorm> n810 has microusb, major PITA
Feb 25 13:55:05 <aquatix> zakkm: don't you need a special `usb host' connector for that?
Feb 25 13:55:17 <zakkm> thats my question
Feb 25 13:55:20 <zakkm> would i
Feb 25 13:55:55 <zakkm> i saw a female usb to miniusb adapter at like the dollar store and it got me curious
Feb 25 13:55:58 <Stskeeps> aquatix: actually mine works fine with f-f adaptor
Feb 25 13:56:16 <zakkm> f-f works perfectly for me too
Feb 25 13:56:27 <aquatix> Stskeeps: interesting
Feb 25 13:56:28 <zakkm> awesome actuallly, but its like cable + adapter + cable
Feb 25 13:56:38 <zakkm> i want just adapter + cable :P
Feb 25 13:56:38 <Stskeeps> but i do need usb hub to make it anything sane
Feb 25 13:56:54 <zakkm> stskeeps: usb hub for what?
Feb 25 13:57:07 <aquatix> i want to get some usb stuff too, so i can use thumbdrives and such with my n810
Feb 25 13:57:10 <Stskeeps> zakkm: there's a limited power budget on tablets
Feb 25 13:57:14 <Stskeeps> like 200mA
Feb 25 13:57:15 <aquatix> and/or card reader
Feb 25 13:57:21 <zakkm> ah
Feb 25 13:57:23 <zakkm> only tried keyboard
Feb 25 13:57:26 <zakkm> it was cool ;p
Feb 25 13:57:34 <aquatix> :)
Feb 25 13:57:47 <zakkm> fast too
Feb 25 13:57:54 <aquatix> and hooking up a keyboard would be cool too indeed
Feb 25 13:58:01 <zakkm> its weird though ;p
Feb 25 13:58:03 <aquatix> my bt foldable keyboard already owns
Feb 25 13:58:06 <aquatix> hehe
Feb 25 13:58:13 <zakkm> yeah those are good expensive though
Feb 25 13:58:24 <zakkm> its weird with nokia  + cable + adapter + normal usb keyboard
Feb 25 13:58:25 <aquatix> yep
Feb 25 13:58:32 <zakkm> too much wiring and looks odd
Feb 25 13:58:32 <aquatix> bought it just when iGo stopped making them
Feb 25 13:58:46 <AstralStorm> Stskeeps: 100mA really
Feb 25 13:58:46 <AstralStorm> it actually has 2 USB ports
Feb 25 14:00:20 <Stskeeps> a secondary one hidden inside?
Feb 25 14:00:56 <Stskeeps> like, unwired
Feb 25 14:01:37 <AstralStorm> yes, not connected
Feb 25 14:02:15 <Stskeeps> interesting
Feb 25 14:02:32 <AstralStorm> yep
Feb 25 14:02:36 <oli> it would work if I solder some wires and plug? :>
Feb 25 14:03:03 <dneary> I understand why those test users have so much karma
Feb 25 14:03:39 <X-Fade> dneary: Sure, they have Ferenc's email or something like that?
Feb 25 14:03:55 <dneary> The email addresses (ferenc@maemo.org and marcell.lengyel@nokia.com) have lots of bugs & discussion associate
Feb 25 14:04:10 <dneary> X-Fade: Yeah, Ferenc & Marcell
Feb 25 14:04:16 <AstralStorm> oli: if you add traces
Feb 25 14:04:16 <AstralStorm> not easy
Feb 25 14:04:38 <X-Fade> dneary: Not new, really :)
Feb 25 14:04:44 <AstralStorm> dneary: why do you expose them to spam?
Feb 25 14:08:11 <dneary> AstralStorm: Because they deserve it <grin>
Feb 25 14:08:21 <dneary> AstralStorm: Just testing Nokia's spam filters
Feb 25 14:28:59 <Jaffa> Woohoo, fixed my Fn key
Feb 25 14:30:48 * Jaffa wants Mer on a dark red UMID Mbook: http://www.ubergizmo.com/15/archives/2009/02/umid_mbook_at_mwc_2009.html
Feb 25 14:31:12 <Jaffa> Or Ubuntu Netbook Remix
Feb 25 14:32:35 <udovdh> hello
Feb 25 14:32:42 <udovdh> I am trying to install e2fsprogs
Feb 25 14:32:48 <udovdh> on my n810 with OS2008
Feb 25 14:32:51 <udovdh> I get this: http://pastebin.com/d4297d717
Feb 25 14:32:57 <udovdh> what is the right thing to do?
Feb 25 14:33:03 <udovdh> what is the libuuid1 thing?
Feb 25 14:37:05 <lcuk> jaffa, i saw that this morning somewhere, very attractive
Feb 25 14:37:41 <udovdh> how to install e2fsprogs in maemo on n810?
Feb 25 14:37:44 <udovdh> I get this: http://pastebin.com/d4297d717
Feb 25 14:37:57 <udovdh> why the vague libuuid1 thing?
Feb 25 14:37:58 <Jaffa> Maybe the form factor of RX-51/Rover will be more conducive to longer typing sessions (N810 form factor with a better keyboard)
Feb 25 14:38:14 <sgh_> hi
Feb 25 14:38:27 <RST38h> What is Rover?
Feb 25 14:38:30 <aquatix> Jaffa: hope so
Feb 25 14:38:38 * lcuk would like to ignore which device im at.  i dont mind the size/factor of the 810 keyb0oard because most of the time ive got alternatives
Feb 25 14:38:59 * lcuk just wants his useful data where needed
Feb 25 14:39:05 <sgh_> I have a crash when trying to read the files from a directory using qt in armel target in a thread
Feb 25 14:39:26 <sgh_> does anyone know what could be the cause of this?
Feb 25 14:39:55 <lcuk> bad code?
Feb 25 14:39:58 <Jaffa> RST38h: https://stage.maemo.org/viewcvs.cgi/projects/haf/trunk/clutter/debian/changelog?sortby=date&root=maemo&r1=17505&r2=17504&pathrev=17505
Feb 25 14:40:08 * lcuk screwed up directory parsing in the past
Feb 25 14:40:19 <Stskeeps> sgh_: running in scratchbox might provoke odd results :/
Feb 25 14:40:53 <sgh_> the same thing happens when trying to application on the device
Feb 25 14:40:53 <Stskeeps> Jaffa: yes, i want Mer on that thing too.
Feb 25 14:41:11 <sgh_> it just enumerates the files and then crashes
Feb 25 14:41:27 <sgh_> it's a very small application
Feb 25 14:41:41 <Stskeeps> got a backtrace? easier to help :P
Feb 25 14:42:23 <sgh_> it have a thread different than the main which looks for the files in the home directory
Feb 25 14:42:26 <RST38h> Jaffa: Mmm?
Feb 25 14:42:30 <sgh_> it has
Feb 25 14:42:36 <RST38h> Jaffa: No mention of Rover there
Feb 25 14:42:48 <lcuk> jaffa, mmmn interesting
Feb 25 14:42:50 <Stskeeps> RST38h: leftmost
Feb 25 14:43:00 <sgh_> i'm not very familiar with this backtrace
Feb 25 14:43:28 <Stskeeps> sgh_: core dumps, gdb, stack backtraces :P
Feb 25 14:43:30 <RST38h> Ahh
Feb 25 14:43:34 <RST38h> Sts,Jaffa: thanks =)
Feb 25 14:43:50 <RST38h> A LEAK!
Feb 25 14:44:00 <udovdh> where is the repo for e2fsprogs for os2008?
Feb 25 14:44:35 <Stskeeps> RST38h: meh, not much to use it for.
Feb 25 14:46:05 <Jaffa> RST38h: more of a drop
Feb 25 14:46:07 <sgh_> I don't have any core file
Feb 25 14:46:10 <RST38h> Sts: But neat anyway: we can now match this name against other Nokia leaks
Feb 25 14:46:18 <sp3000> dougt: doesn't seem to be available, same as for other maemo-sdk-nokia-binaries
Feb 25 14:46:25 <Jaffa> RST38h: stskeeps and I already tried without much success
Feb 25 14:46:26 <sgh_> it seems it doesn't generate one
Feb 25 14:46:34 <RST38h> Anyone up for extreme yachting? http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123543023154353525.html
Feb 25 14:46:45 <sgh_> I could provide you the code if you could help me
Feb 25 14:46:48 <RST38h> Jaffa: including upcoming leaks =)
Feb 25 14:47:18 <Stskeeps> RST38h: nothing matching, so yeah
Feb 25 14:47:27 <sgh_> there only 5 files + a .pro one
Feb 25 14:47:27 <Stskeeps> at least the roadmap
Feb 25 14:48:15 <aquatix> Jaffa: whoa, that umid is cute
Feb 25 14:54:23 <lcuk> sgh_, it should not take 5 files to enumerate a folder (which is where you say the fault is).  add lots of printf() type debug messages to your code and check where it stops running manually yourself
Feb 25 14:57:05 <udovdh> http://paste2.org/p/153867
Feb 25 14:57:08 <udovdh> why is this happening?
Feb 25 14:57:15 <udovdh> I cannot insatll e2fsprogs this way
Feb 25 14:57:30 <Stskeeps> udovdh: you are -probably- behind some kind of firewall
Feb 25 14:57:43 <udovdh> which works fine for all other sites?
Feb 25 14:57:52 <udovdh> the n810 can reach the net
Feb 25 14:58:04 <Stskeeps> otherwise, file a bug report
Feb 25 14:58:25 * Stskeeps wonders why repository.maemo.org is slow today.
Feb 25 14:58:42 <X-Fade> udovdh: Does this happen everytime?
Feb 25 14:58:50 <udovdh> X-Fade, tried a few times
Feb 25 14:58:55 <udovdh> now it is slower
Feb 25 14:59:21 <udovdh> just need e2fsprogs
Feb 25 14:59:49 <RST38h> udovdh: what country?
Feb 25 14:59:56 <udovdh> I am in the Netherlands
Feb 25 15:00:18 <udovdh> same 404's now
Feb 25 15:00:18 <RST38h> that's bad
Feb 25 15:00:25 <RST38h> let me try from us
Feb 25 15:00:47 <RST38h> 2009-02-25 10:00:40 ERROR 404: Not Found.
Feb 25 15:00:57 <RST38h> X-Fade: it's broken.
Feb 25 15:01:04 <Stskeeps> yup, getting 404 too
Feb 25 15:01:13 <Stskeeps> ah.
Feb 25 15:01:32 <Stskeeps> udovdh: you have set up your sources wrong
Feb 25 15:01:33 <RST38h> AH i KNOW WHY
Feb 25 15:01:36 <X-Fade> Refreshing it on my tablet now. Let me see.
Feb 25 15:01:41 <RST38h> Your repo address is wrong
Feb 25 15:01:45 <udovdh> Stskeeps, what must I change?
Feb 25 15:01:53 <Stskeeps> udovdh: well i don't know how your sources list look but one of them is wrong
Feb 25 15:02:23 <X-Fade> Worksforme[tm] ?
Feb 25 15:02:34 <udovdh> http://paste2.org/p/153868 ?
Feb 25 15:02:44 <RST38h> udovdh: you should use diablo/tools or diabo/sdk
Feb 25 15:03:19 <X-Fade> udovdh: Ah yes, you are trying to use the SDK repo on the device?
Feb 25 15:03:26 <udovdh> dunno
Feb 25 15:03:30 <udovdh> I just need e2fsprogs
Feb 25 15:03:34 <udovdh> what line needs change?
Feb 25 15:03:40 <Stskeeps> udovdh: afaik e2fsprogs is in extras
Feb 25 15:03:49 <udovdh> apt-get insatll wget works
Feb 25 15:03:57 <udovdh> apt-get install e2fsprogs doesn't
Feb 25 15:03:57 <X-Fade> udovdh: Easiest way is just to wget it if you need it from SDK repo.
Feb 25 15:04:08 <udovdh> apt-get is the easy way?
Feb 25 15:04:10 <udovdh> if itworks?
Feb 25 15:04:18 <udovdh> wget is nice as well
Feb 25 15:04:21 <udovdh> but a workaround
Feb 25 15:04:28 <X-Fade> udovdh: But if you one day type: apt-get dist-upgrade, you brick your device..
Feb 25 15:04:33 <udovdh> anyone with a direct url to e2fsprogs?
Feb 25 15:04:45 <RST38h> X-Fade: Sounds like fun
Feb 25 15:04:49 <udovdh> X-Fade, yes, so what line in that file do I change?
Feb 25 15:04:58 <RST38h> udovdh: You can open that URL in firefox and navigate
Feb 25 15:05:59 <udovdh> http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/diablo/free/e/e2fsprogs/
Feb 25 15:06:02 <udovdh> no e2fsprogs?
Feb 25 15:06:19 <X-Fade> udovdh: Hmm I see it too. That is not right.
Feb 25 15:07:14 <udovdh> so maybe apt-get is ok here
Feb 25 15:07:17 <udovdh> but not the site?
Feb 25 15:07:30 <X-Fade> Newest version here btw, but no deb there too: http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo4.1.2/free/e/e2fsprogs/
Feb 25 15:07:59 <udovdh> thanks
Feb 25 15:08:22 <udovdh> but no deb for e2fsprogs?
Feb 25 15:08:30 <udovdh> any idea why?
Feb 25 15:08:41 <udovdh> I could bitbake it probably
Feb 25 15:08:47 <udovdh> but I'd like to try the repository
Feb 25 15:08:59 <X-Fade> No, sounds like a bug..
Feb 25 15:09:16 <Stskeeps> udovdh: http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/diablo/free/e/e2fsprogs/
Feb 25 15:09:26 <udovdh> Stskeeps,  thanks
Feb 25 15:09:34 <udovdh> yes...
Feb 25 15:10:08 <sampo> is there newer gstreamer than 0.10.13 anywhere for maemo4 ?
Feb 25 15:14:11 <udovdh> Stskeeps, now that site is frozen slow
Feb 25 15:15:52 <FuzzyBunny> hi
Feb 25 15:18:36 <RST38h> Whoever wanted a file manager try this: http://n8xx.com/uploads.php?file=rox-filer_2.8-1_armel.deb
Feb 25 15:18:45 <RST38h> (I can't, don't have tablet handy)
Feb 25 15:19:01 <qwerty12> Is it hildonized?
Feb 25 15:19:09 <RST38h> apparently
Feb 25 15:19:25 <FuzzyBunny>  hey qwerty12
Feb 25 15:19:37 <FuzzyBunny> you all stird
Feb 25 15:20:15 <FuzzyBunny> sorry, that was my stupid friend
Feb 25 15:21:04 <qwerty12> Google translates "Ответы на вопросы о таблетках" as "Answers to questions about the pills" - hmm...
Feb 25 15:21:24 <FuzzyBunny> lol
Feb 25 15:22:31 * RST38h translates it as a string of unicode garbage =)
Feb 25 15:23:38 <qwerty12> If it is hildonized, it should have more dependencies than:"Depends: shared-mime-info (>= 0.16)
Feb 25 15:23:38 <qwerty12> " :)
Feb 25 15:24:24 <qwerty12> Then again, it sounds like it's missing a shlibs thing
Feb 25 15:25:50 <RST38h> qwerty: Try installing it =)
Feb 25 15:26:14 <qwerty12> Yes, good idea, I'm being OTT here :p
Feb 25 15:27:03 <RST38h> judging from rox filer screenshot, you may not even NEED to have it hildonized
Feb 25 15:27:06 <RST38h> really minimal stuff
Feb 25 15:29:07 <qwerty12> Does Avahi or similar exist for Windows? I've gotten rather used to typing my N800's hostname under linux when I need to ssh into it.
Feb 25 15:29:27 <RST38h> there is a hosts file
Feb 25 15:30:04 <qwerty12> Aye, but I don't keep a static IP on my N800. I guess though, there is nothing stopping me...
Feb 25 15:30:12 <RST38h> just assign it a static IP - I did
Feb 25 15:30:40 <RST38h> There is absolutely no need to use dynamic IPs for clients residing in your home
Feb 25 15:30:43 <udovdh> hello
Feb 25 15:30:49 <udovdh> just installed e2fstools plus dependencies
Feb 25 15:30:54 <udovdh> now I try to mount the card
Feb 25 15:30:57 <udovdh> but it fails
Feb 25 15:31:00 <Stskeeps> qwerty12: rendezvous/applet's stuff
Feb 25 15:31:11 <udovdh> although i think I use correct paths etc
Feb 25 15:31:24 <Stskeeps> udovdh: insmod /mnt/initfs/lib/modules/somethingsomething/{jbd,mbcache,ext2,ext3}.ko
Feb 25 15:31:24 <udovdh> mount /dev/mmcblk1p1 /media/mmc2
Feb 25 15:31:33 <qwerty12> Stskeeps, wicked, thanks
Feb 25 15:31:39 <udovdh> argh!
Feb 25 15:31:42 <udovdh> no auto module loading?
Feb 25 15:31:46 <Stskeeps> correct
Feb 25 15:31:47 <udovdh> are we back to 1994?
Feb 25 15:31:50 <Stskeeps> yes.
Feb 25 15:31:51 <Stskeeps> :P
Feb 25 15:31:52 <udovdh> this 2009, right?
Feb 25 15:31:58 <qwerty12> RST38h, yeah, but I'm too lazy to assign static ip's to all my siblings computers :p
Feb 25 15:32:07 <udovdh> which persons decided tro push this to the market?
Feb 25 15:32:16 <Stskeeps> udovdh: it's an embedded system, in their eyes..
Feb 25 15:32:19 <RST38h> qwerty: Make them do it themselves =)
Feb 25 15:32:20 <qwerty12> It's really not hard to make a simple script that insmods the modules manually.
Feb 25 15:32:22 <Stskeeps> or back then
Feb 25 15:32:24 <udovdh> I guess we do need a non-nokia distro for the n8xx?
Feb 25 15:32:25 <Stskeeps> qwerty12: can you upload patched apt source somewhere btw?
Feb 25 15:32:32 <Stskeeps> udovdh: we do have quite a few
Feb 25 15:32:35 <udovdh> qwerty12, yes, but that is a workaround
Feb 25 15:32:37 <qwerty12> RST38h, ha. :P
Feb 25 15:32:43 <udovdh> Stskeeps, do they have full driver support?
Feb 25 15:32:45 <udovdh> wifi?
Feb 25 15:32:57 <udovdh> if so I will install one soon
Feb 25 15:32:59 <Stskeeps> udovdh: yeah, as long as you use same kernel it is fairly simple :P
Feb 25 15:33:06 <qwerty12> Stskeeps, if this ext3 driver for windows works...
Feb 25 15:33:08 <udovdh> same kernel, different distro
Feb 25 15:33:08 <udovdh> ok
Feb 25 15:33:12 <udovdh> will wlook into this
Feb 25 15:33:34 <Stskeeps> qwerty12: ah, nuked your distro?
Feb 25 15:33:48 <qwerty12> Stskeeps, no, I feel like playing GTA :)
Feb 25 15:34:54 <qwerty12> explore2fs worked, lemme upload from winscp :)
Feb 25 15:35:02 <Stskeeps> ta :)
Feb 25 15:35:17 <Stskeeps> i'll test it tomorrow probably, if my flu has lifted sufficiently
Feb 25 15:36:19 <udovdh> does maemo have libdbus  1-3 ?
Feb 25 15:36:27 <udovdh> >= 1.0.3?
Feb 25 15:37:56 <qwerty12> Stskeeps, http://trac.tspre.org/qwerty12/apt_0.7.20.2ubuntu1.diff.gz , http://trac.tspre.org/qwerty12/apt_0.7.20.2ubuntu1.dsc & http://trac.tspre.org/qwerty12/apt_0.7.20.2ubuntu1.orig.tar.gz (diff.gz contains changes plus a few files I forgot to cleanup) :)
Feb 25 15:38:22 <Stskeeps> ta
Feb 25 15:39:10 <udovdh> what provides libgmodule ?
Feb 25 15:44:38 <qwerty12> RST38h, I wouldn't call rox-filer unusable but certainly not hildonized
Feb 25 15:45:12 <RST38h> qwerty: Worth installing though?
Feb 25 15:46:35 <RST38h> qwerty: Anyways, look at this: http://n8xx.com/uploads.php
Feb 25 15:47:00 <qwerty12> It's missing a menu and because there's no right click, I'm unsure as to how you actually move files around (unless there is a keyboard shortcut or somesuch - if so, on a N800, makes it useless for me)
Feb 25 15:47:05 <RST38h> qwerty: Ignore the text, type partial program name into the third input from the left and click on the leftmost button
Feb 25 15:47:21 <RST38h> qwerty: It is not supposed to have a menu judging from screenshots
Feb 25 15:47:34 <RST38h> noted about right click
Feb 25 15:47:43 <jeremiah_> andre__: Wow. I just installed trac on an older Ubuntu machine - it is a pain in the ass to install.
Feb 25 15:48:08 <jeremiah_> andre__: I am glad we are running bugzilla and you did not listen to me to install trac.
Feb 25 15:48:20 <udovdh> what provides  Package update-rc.d  ?
Feb 25 15:48:38 <jeremiah_> andre__: Although, GNOME's bugzilla installation is cleaner looking, but I guess that is a template issue. :)
Feb 25 15:49:36 <andre__> gnome bugzilla has lots of custom patches in
Feb 25 15:49:46 <andre__> there's currently work ongoing to get them upstream for bugzilla 3.4
Feb 25 15:49:47 <jeremiah_> ah
Feb 25 15:55:22 <mavhc> rox was based on risc os which has no menu bar, only popup menus
Feb 25 15:55:45 <qwerty12> Been a long time since I've seen an Acorn :)
Feb 25 15:56:06 <Jaffa> mavhc: s/was/is/
Feb 25 15:56:40 <mavhc> well, it seems to have gained lots of non riscosy features
Feb 25 15:56:48 <Jaffa> True
Feb 25 15:57:21 <RST38h> Anyone found the right button in the tablet port? :)
Feb 25 16:10:36 <mavhc> in rdesktop clicking then pressing the menu button does a right click
Feb 25 16:14:50 <RST38h> http://www.wallstreetprisonconsultants.com/
Feb 25 16:29:03 <X-Fade> Ah, the successor of RX-51 is alive :) http://ping.fm/zgAOv
Feb 25 16:31:45 <Jaffa> Reading the blurb may gives clues to Fremantle
Feb 25 16:32:02 <timelE61i> or not
Feb 25 16:32:11 <Jaffa> or not
Feb 25 16:32:12 <timelE61i> Since i've never heard of t :)
Feb 25 16:32:24 <Jaffa> Does anything in there sound familiar?
Feb 25 16:32:41 <Jaffa> Or is it all marketing/designer wankware?
Feb 25 16:32:55 <timelE61i> nOt at all :)
Feb 25 16:33:00 <X-Fade> Jaffa: But still fun ;)
Feb 25 16:33:04 <timelE61i> But they don't talk to us
Feb 25 16:33:11 <timelE61i> So it could be real :)
Feb 25 16:38:20 <X-Fade> I'm sure there are a lot of protos that the outside never sees. And they should be thinking about the future, everybody else does ;)
Feb 25 16:38:46 <X-Fade> Anyway, nice rumour.. nothing more.
Feb 25 16:41:53 <wazd_hp> http://www.unwiredview.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/nokia-sparrow-mock-up.jpg
Feb 25 16:42:01 <wazd_hp> uber-crazy stuff
Feb 25 16:43:23 <qwerty12> They're not convincing me with the year being 09 and it having the OS2007 interface :)
Feb 25 16:44:02 <wazd_hp> qwerty12: it's n800 frankenstein)
Feb 25 16:44:37 <qwerty12> Hehe, that keyboard doesn't look appealing to me imo
Feb 25 16:45:06 <dougt> timeless: yt
Feb 25 16:46:07 <wazd_hp> qwerty12: well, it's said that this is just a mockup made according to Eldar Murtazin's words
Feb 25 16:46:57 <timelE61i> kinda
Feb 25 16:46:58 <wazd_hp> qwerty12: that's russian "famous mobile analyst" xD
Feb 25 16:47:11 <qwerty12> wazd_hp, the mobile review guy?
Feb 25 16:47:18 <wazd_hp> qwerty12: yep)
Feb 25 16:47:20 <timelE61i> We looked and couldn't find your cores, we're unsure the upload went somewhere
Feb 25 16:47:33 <qwerty12> wazd_hp, Hehe, used to go on that site a *lot* :D
Feb 25 16:47:33 <timelE61i> I'll see about sending toy a dbg deb shortly
Feb 25 16:47:46 <timelE61i> First i need to poke my workstation a bit
Feb 25 16:47:57 <timelE61i> sp3000 could answer other q's
Feb 25 16:48:39 <dougt> timelE61i: what does it mean if my crashes with a sig11 but doesn't produce a core even though /media/mmc2/core-dumps exists and has space?
Feb 25 16:48:51 <dougt> s/my/my app
Feb 25 16:51:27 <uE1> Anyone know where I can find osso-ic.h?
Feb 25 16:51:50 <timelE61i> dOugt: 1 - is ulimit 0?
Feb 25 16:51:50 <uE1> I am trying to install mauku and I am stuck on this header.
Feb 25 16:52:04 <timelE61i> 2 - if nitro is active, it should be stealing your cores
Feb 25 16:52:04 <uE1> install -> build
Feb 25 16:52:20 <timelE61i> Check /proc/sys/kernel/core_pattern
Feb 25 16:52:32 <timelE61i> If it starts w/ a pipe, nitro is stealing
Feb 25 16:53:36 <qwerty12> uE1, icd2-osso-ic-dev
Feb 25 16:54:05 <uE1> Ah ha! thanks qwert12
Feb 25 16:56:39 <GeneralAntilles> Is anybody using athf-splash or maemoorg-splash without bootmenu?
Feb 25 16:56:42 <dougt> timelE61i: |/usr/sbin/rich-core-dumper
Feb 25 16:57:23 <dougt> nitro disabled in prefs/control-panel
Feb 25 16:57:51 <timelE61i> dougt: well.. Gah, nitro is kinda lame
Feb 25 16:58:07 <dougt> timelE61i: yeah, i do not see any cores I have created since last night
Feb 25 16:58:25 <timelE61i> Su echo /media/mmc1/core-dumps > /proc....
Feb 25 16:58:56 <timelE61i> In theory if nitro was enabled it should have collected them and offered to send them
Feb 25 16:59:34 <qwerty12> Not if Control Panel > About has the version listed as "<unknown>"...
Feb 25 17:00:36 <timelE61i> ?
Feb 25 17:01:04 <qwerty12> Means that the version information in /dev/mtd1 is messed up and NITRO refuses to start if it's messed up
Feb 25 17:01:49 <slonopotamus> pssst! what NITRO is?
Feb 25 17:02:52 <timelE61i> tHink netscape talkback
Feb 25 17:03:18 <timelE61i> s/netscape/nokia/;s/talkback/NITRO/
Feb 25 17:03:46 <timelE61i> Basically it lets you send core dumps to nokia for statistical analysis
Feb 25 17:04:00 <slonopotamus> oh my
Feb 25 17:05:27 <dougt> optional slonopotamus
Feb 25 17:05:47 <slonopotamus> uh? i'm not optional
Feb 25 17:05:53 <slonopotamus> i'm required
Feb 25 17:06:01 <dougt> says you. ;-D
Feb 25 17:06:14 <dougt> here is a comma.
Feb 25 17:06:16 <dougt> ,
Feb 25 17:06:20 <GeneralAntilles> qwerty12, I think the maemo.org logo isn't big enough to cover the Nokia logo for people without bootmenu.
Feb 25 17:14:26 <dougt> so, maemo hackers... if I am not getting core's, and ulimit is unlimited, is there anything else to try?
Feb 25 17:14:48 <timeless> dougt did you change that core_pattern back to normal?
Feb 25 17:14:53 <timeless> until you do, you won't
Feb 25 17:15:11 <dougt> "normal" == empty || "normal
Feb 25 17:15:16 <dougt> " == path to core-dumps
Feb 25 17:15:34 <timeless> i gave you the beginning of the echo command
Feb 25 17:15:43 <dougt> yeah, i did that.
Feb 25 17:15:46 <dougt> and no luck
Feb 25 17:15:56 <timeless> you should probably get someone to verify the exact string
Feb 25 17:15:59 <timeless> i'm typing from memory
Feb 25 17:16:04 <dougt> googles...
Feb 25 17:17:00 <dougt> just a file name
Feb 25 17:17:14 <dougt> timeless: core, or whatever magic formating you wanna do
Feb 25 17:17:17 <timeless> you want the maemo string not the linux default :)
Feb 25 17:17:30 <sp3000> |/usr/sbin/rich-core-dumper is normal :)
Feb 25 17:17:40 <timeless> if you uninstall nitro, and reboot, you should get the default back :)
Feb 25 17:18:04 <timeless> although sp3000 and i would like to know why nitro didn't send them somewhere useful
Feb 25 17:18:17 <timeless> although... disabling nitro certainly won't get you anything useful ...
Feb 25 17:19:24 <dougt> ls
Feb 25 17:20:10 <timeless> sp3000: swift2:80 is up :)
Feb 25 17:20:48 <darkblue_B> hi all- I found a stray file this morning on an N800 at root directory, /grsync.service.. I see that there are many services in /usr/share/dbus-1/services..
Feb 25 17:21:06 <darkblue_B> a) can I just pop this file there, where it was likely to be intended to go?
Feb 25 17:21:22 <darkblue_B> b) can I read something briefly about this services directory somewhere?
Feb 25 17:22:11 <timeless> darkblue: you should use dpkg -S to find out which stupid package messed up and file a bug :)
Feb 25 17:22:22 <darkblue_B> well, grsync
Feb 25 17:22:34 <darkblue_B> I believe... but ok, I can try
Feb 25 17:22:54 <timeless> iirc those files are plain text, so you can read them and decide if it's likely to work
Feb 25 17:23:15 <darkblue_B> you assume I will understand what I see :-)
Feb 25 17:23:37 <timeless> sp3000: so, i've switched from the loaner box to romaxa's tinderbox. the usb drive is 140g, the box host drive is 70g
Feb 25 17:23:45 <timeless> depressing, ain't it?
Feb 25 17:23:54 <sp3000> heh
Feb 25 17:23:57 <timeless> nah, but plain text is plaint text
Feb 25 17:24:12 <sp3000> it's still bigger, right? :)
Feb 25 17:24:13 <timeless> but at least this box has 4g of ram and dual xeon (ht)
Feb 25 17:24:39 <timeless> i think we'll return the other box now, it served some purpose, but..
Feb 25 17:26:42 <darkblue_B> ok, so i moved the file.. I guess I wont be reading about dbus-1/services.. where to file a bug?
Feb 25 17:32:00 <Stskeeps> ooh. n800 look :P
Feb 25 17:32:19 <darkblue_B> the authors email is listed on the general web site for the sfwr.. I guess I'll just send it to him
Feb 25 17:40:37 <Stskeeps> http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/25/atandt-quickfire-could-overheat-spontaneously-burst-into-irony-if/
Feb 25 17:40:40 <Stskeeps> hah.
Feb 25 17:48:45 <darkblue_B> well /usr/share/dbus-1/services is apparently the place you put something to make a menu option in the Maemo GUI
Feb 25 17:49:03 <darkblue_B> good thing you guys pointed that out when I asked about it
Feb 25 17:49:10 <darkblue_B> otherwise I'd be totally lost
Feb 25 17:49:16 <darkblue_B> :-/
Feb 25 17:49:47 <Khertan_n810> Hello !
Feb 25 17:49:52 <Stskeeps> lo Khertan_n810
Feb 25 17:50:21 <Khertan_n810> lo stskeeps
Feb 25 17:53:37 <Khertan_n810> does someone can explain me why some garage project have there bugtacker on bugs.maemo.org and some on the bugtracker of garage
Feb 25 17:53:41 <Khertan_n810> .
Feb 25 17:53:43 <Khertan_n810> ?
Feb 25 17:53:53 <qwerty12> They're VIP
Feb 25 17:54:08 <GeneralAntilles> Khertan_n810, we like them more than you. :P
Feb 25 17:54:11 <GeneralAntilles> If you want a product, just ask.
Feb 25 17:54:12 <Khertan_n810> ah ...
Feb 25 17:54:20 <Khertan_n810> ah ...
Feb 25 17:54:38 <Khertan_n810> if i ask, this is because mnotes is on bugzilla
Feb 25 17:54:41 <thopiekar> Stskeeps: hey.. is there a list of needed packages from maemo to build into mer?
Feb 25 17:54:54 <Khertan_n810> and my other products on garage :)
Feb 25 17:55:40 <GeneralAntilles> Khertan_n810, poke andre__ or timeless and they can set up some more for you.
Feb 25 17:55:52 <Khertan_n810> and an other question, how to see all bugs related on mnotes on bugzilla
Feb 25 17:55:57 <Khertan_n810> ok thx gan
Feb 25 17:56:26 <andre__> bugs.maemo.org/query.cgi
Feb 25 17:56:52 <Stskeeps> thopiekar: http://repository.maemo.org/pool/diablo/free/o/osso-dsp-loader/ is a good start, there's a deblet package on http://packages.tspre.org/pool/contrib/o/osso-dsp-loader/
Feb 25 17:57:00 <andre__> Khertan_n810, https://bugs.maemo.org/buglist.cgi?classification=Extras&product=mNotes&status_whiteboard_type=allwordssubstr&keywords_type=allwords&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_status=RESOLVED&bug_status=VERIFIED&bug_status=CLOSED
Feb 25 17:57:02 <GeneralAntilles> Khertan_n810, https://bugs.maemo.org/buglist.cgi?product=mNotes
Feb 25 17:57:11 <andre__> pah. too easy :-P
Feb 25 17:57:17 <Khertan_n810> lol
Feb 25 17:57:42 <Khertan_n810> thanks
Feb 25 17:57:46 <qwerty12> Timeless's random product adding actually worked? :P
Feb 25 17:58:00 <Khertan_n810> gni� ?
Feb 25 17:58:27 <GeneralAntilles> qwerty12, yeah, when other people are there to poke the maintainers. :P
Feb 25 17:58:44 <qwerty12> hehe
Feb 25 17:59:57 <andre__> that's why i have my doubts that it's useful. if maintainers themselves ask to get their product into b.g.o it's something else... :-P
Feb 25 18:00:42 <andre__> but "hey, i create a bugtracker for you because it's easier for me to file bugs against your product in my bugtracker" is not the aim :-P
Feb 25 18:01:06 <GeneralAntilles> andre__ is revealing his true loyalties. :P
Feb 25 18:01:27 <Khertan_n810> yep ...  but have you try to use the one on garage ?
Feb 25 18:01:37 <GeneralAntilles> Yes, Khertan_n810, yes I have.
Feb 25 18:01:54 <andre__> oh well. just clarifying my position :)
Feb 25 18:02:00 <Khertan_n810> i think that the bugzilla one is far away better
Feb 25 18:02:04 <GeneralAntilles> andre__, b.g.o :P
Feb 25 18:02:12 <andre__> argh
Feb 25 18:02:45 * Jaffa should get mediautils' bugs moved from garage <big-shudder/> to Bugzilla <minor-shudder/>
Feb 25 18:03:21 <andre__> GeneralAntilles, *cough* err... "b.g.o is our internal codename for maemo.org Bugzilla. you know nokia, they always have funny names, like rx-44 and so" :-P
Feb 25 18:03:40 * timeless coughs
Feb 25 18:03:44 <andre__> ;-)
Feb 25 18:03:56 <GeneralAntilles> Rover is interesting
Feb 25 18:04:11 <GeneralAntilles> Fits with the space theme, though it's a diversion from the Russians.
Feb 25 18:04:22 <Stskeeps> i'm willing to bet the next tablet is -actually- a car entertainment system.
Feb 25 18:04:28 <slonopotamus> quiver happily lead tablet to reboot (oom) by trying to generate preview for 4117 x 4392 300kb png
Feb 25 18:05:30 <GeneralAntilles> Stskeeps, also: Atom.
Feb 25 18:05:32 <slonopotamus> ugly
Feb 25 18:05:48 <GeneralAntilles> Stskeeps and WinMob 6.5
Feb 25 18:06:03 <Stskeeps> hehe
Feb 25 18:06:28 <GeneralAntilles> All this nonsense about continued Maemo development is actually just a diversion.
Feb 25 18:06:33 <Jaffa> GeneralAntilles: you could *almost* imagine it as a product name ("access the Internet whilst roving around")
Feb 25 18:06:40 <GeneralAntilles> Hahaha
Feb 25 18:06:51 <GeneralAntilles> This is what they're replacing Internet Tablet with, then? ;)
Feb 25 18:07:45 * Jaffa shushes himself.
Feb 25 18:07:56 <Stskeeps> http://news.cnet.com/Nokia-makes-inroads-into-Land-Rover/2100-1039_3-5399018.html
Feb 25 18:08:11 <Stskeeps> it could almost be true .. ;P
Feb 25 18:09:39 <darkblue_B> Maemo is a dead end.. its being moved to the mer project
Feb 25 18:10:08 <Stskeeps> er, no :P
Feb 25 18:10:13 <qwerty12> Nice joke
Feb 25 18:10:20 <GeneralAntilles> WinMob 6.5 and car navigation are probably why they're delaying the product announcement.
Feb 25 18:10:27 <GeneralAntilles> They want to put off the riots for as long as possible. ;)
Feb 25 18:10:32 <darkblue_B> well what then>
Feb 25 18:10:45 <Stskeeps> darkblue_B: mer doesn't exist without maemo, and if anything, mer is a different approach to the maemo platform
Feb 25 18:10:51 <Stskeeps> and mer isn't a nokia project.
Feb 25 18:10:57 <lcuk> jaffa, it could also be a network protocol "red rover, red rover, send something right over"
Feb 25 18:11:23 <Stskeeps> only reason we can do Mer is because of Nokia's open sourcing a quite well written touch/stylus desktop for tablets
Feb 25 18:11:58 <darkblue_B> so there are more Meamo devices coming then?
Feb 25 18:12:05 <Stskeeps> yes, RX-51
Feb 25 18:12:21 <Stskeeps> but also Mer will provide a lot of different HW with the maemo platform :P
Feb 25 18:13:10 * GeneralAntilles tosses some more capital M's into the room.
Feb 25 18:13:31 * lcuk loves maeMo
Feb 25 18:13:50 <Stskeeps> GeneralAntilles: i kinda don't want to call it Maemo as Maemo implies the entire OS, whereas i often mean maemo, the hildon+etc mix :P
Feb 25 18:14:02 * lcuk never knows what anything means
Feb 25 18:14:05 <Stskeeps> or whatever :)
Feb 25 18:14:13 <GeneralAntilles> Stskeeps, WTF?
Feb 25 18:14:34 * GeneralAntilles throws old fruit at Stskeeps.
Feb 25 18:14:48 <Stskeeps> hehe
Feb 25 18:14:51 <lcuk> quick Stskeeps make a soup
Feb 25 18:14:59 <Stskeeps> i had way too much soup lately
Feb 25 18:15:05 <darkblue_B> thats a terrible way to distinguis things;.. I just suffered throgh onmouseover and onMouseOver in Dojo toolkit
Feb 25 18:15:19 <Stskeeps> unix, case sensitive ;p
Feb 25 18:15:19 <GeneralAntilles> "Let's invent arbitrary naming conventions to be more confusing." :P
Feb 25 18:15:20 <lcuk> if you keep pissing of the general thats all you will be eating
Feb 25 18:16:26 * GeneralAntilles waits patiently for to see some nominations to decide whether or not he wants to run again.
Feb 25 18:17:17 <darkblue_B> RX-51 == N900 (?)
Feb 25 18:17:36 <darkblue_B> looks like a rumor for 6 months now
Feb 25 18:17:37 <GeneralAntilles> darkblue_B, well, we don't actually know if it'll be called "N900"
Feb 25 18:17:43 <GeneralAntilles> But, yes, it's the next tablet.
Feb 25 18:17:54 <GeneralAntilles> It's not a rumor.
Feb 25 18:18:08 <Stskeeps> GeneralAntilles: you're hoping noone dares to nominate you so you can focus on being a maemo hacker? ;)
Feb 25 18:18:32 <GeneralAntilles> Stskeeps, well, I'm basing my decision on who else runs.
Feb 25 18:18:37 <darkblue_B> I like your platform, and I like other platforms too.. I cant dink around with Maemo or maemo  if it isnt giong anywhere
Feb 25 18:18:54 <Stskeeps> darkblue_B: it is going somewhere, fremantle and harmattan
Feb 25 18:18:58 <Stskeeps> there's even roadmaps
Feb 25 18:19:02 <Stskeeps> which not even mer has :P
Feb 25 18:20:07 <darkblue_B> Qt ?
Feb 25 18:20:25 <Stskeeps> planned for official support in harmattan
Feb 25 18:20:48 <Stskeeps> (afaik)
Feb 25 18:20:52 <GeneralAntilles> http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Maemo_roadmap/Fremantle http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Maemo_roadmap/Harmattan
Feb 25 18:20:52 <darkblue_B> ok
Feb 25 18:21:15 <Stskeeps> so the maemo platform is definately going somewhere
Feb 25 18:21:32 <lcuk> maemo has been going somewhere for years, we all take our devices out with us
Feb 25 18:23:18 * Stskeeps watches gf play with the 770
Feb 25 18:24:37 <Jaffa> GeneralAntilles: ditto. It sounded like anidel was going to nominate himself.
Feb 25 18:24:51 * Jaffa may well have to do so to try and be on the council when the next device is released :-)
Feb 25 18:25:00 <Jaffa> *cough* I mean to help serve the community
Feb 25 18:26:18 * lcuk pondered running for the council for about 0.000000000001 seconds before realising theres lots of bureaucracy involved
Feb 25 18:26:26 <qwerty12> Community? Fuck those guys, if I join, it's all about me :p
Feb 25 18:27:06 <lcuk> jaffa, does the council get to actually drive the direction of the community? :D as in a dictatorship
Feb 25 18:30:05 <Jaffa> lcuk: we got to pick jeremiah
Feb 25 18:30:17 <Jaffa> lcuk: we piss people off quite easily if we get brusque
Feb 25 18:30:32 <Jaffa> lcuk: we get about 3 seconds head start on the announcement of some things
Feb 25 18:30:35 <GeneralAntilles> That's fun.
Feb 25 18:30:57 <GeneralAntilles> "Hi, how are you today?"
Feb 25 18:31:02 <lcuk> what about enslaving the natives and making them create follys and monuments to your greatness?
Feb 25 18:31:09 <Jaffa> lcuk: not so much
Feb 25 18:31:10 <GeneralAntilles> "THAT'S NOT THE TYPE OF BEHAVIOUR I'D EXPECT FROM THE COMMUNITY COUNCIL!!"
Feb 25 18:31:13 <lcuk> damn
Feb 25 18:32:12 <lcuk> GeneralAntilles,  but thats not the behaviour expected - they are below you and should never speak directly to you
Feb 25 18:32:20 <lcuk> sir
Feb 25 18:32:47 <lcuk> your itt pic should actually have you on a throne (just for a day :D)
Feb 25 18:33:44 <RST38h> moo again
Feb 25 18:34:03 <RST38h> lcuk: He should just use Rygel's image for his userpic =)
Feb 25 18:34:22 <lcuk> PMSL
Feb 25 18:34:42 <lcuk> took a quick google search but im gonna use his voice to read every single itt post in future now you bastard
Feb 25 18:36:08 <oli> hey, what about maemo-barcode? is somebody working on it?
Feb 25 18:36:57 <lcuk> yes oli
Feb 25 18:37:07 <GeneralAntilles> lcuk, you've never seen Farscape?
Feb 25 18:37:30 <lcuk> ive seen it, but never often enough to have instant recall of a single character from within
Feb 25 18:37:34 <lcuk> <<< terrible memory
Feb 25 18:38:02 * lcuk remembers there was some blue bint and a pretty gal in it
Feb 25 18:38:23 <lcuk> and some guy from wow
Feb 25 18:38:34 * RST38h hasn't watched Farscape either, just a little bit
Feb 25 18:38:45 <oli> m-bcode is rather un-useful for n810 users :>
Feb 25 18:38:47 <Stskeeps> andrew de quincey .. any nickname associated?
Feb 25 18:39:54 <GeneralAntilles> It's a great series.
Feb 25 18:40:46 <lcuk> http://images.google.co.uk/images?q=Chiana     reminds me of   http://images.google.co.uk/images?q=Daphne%20Millbrook
Feb 25 18:41:29 <lcuk> oli, its not that bad - you just have to watch out that you dont bump the screen with your tin of beans
Feb 25 18:42:50 <oli> lcuk: I'm wondering when would 2D barcodes become more popular... now I can see it only at computer-related pages under the articles
Feb 25 18:43:25 <lcuk> they will become popular as used, it will take time though
Feb 25 18:44:18 <lcuk> is there a way in windows (or linux on tablet) to list the currently identified members in an ad-hoc network
Feb 25 18:44:38 <lcuk> ive disconnected all the known clients and windows hasnt closed itself like it normally does
Feb 25 18:46:49 <oli> lcuk: kismet/airodump-ng
Feb 25 18:48:18 <lcuk> holy crap, kismet is 45mb!
Feb 25 18:48:44 <lcuk> but that does say one thing
Feb 25 18:48:49 <oli> impossible :P
Feb 25 18:48:55 * lcuk knows which machine is on the net
Feb 25 18:49:03 <lcuk> not impossible
Feb 25 18:49:17 * Stskeeps sends off mail claiming to work on 770 wifi
Feb 25 18:49:31 <oli> lot of additional packages related to kismet?
Feb 25 18:49:35 <lcuk> yeha
Feb 25 18:49:50 <Stskeeps> +to guy
Feb 25 18:50:32 <oli> is't just a little, terminal app :> probably the best wifi scanning tool
Feb 25 18:50:40 <darkblue_B> Q. I gather that adding a file to /usr/share/dbus-1/services with the 3 right lines in it adds something to the GUI menus to run a binary of some kind...
Feb 25 18:50:56 <darkblue_B> .. so I have a faceless python app, I want to start
Feb 25 18:51:12 <darkblue_B> .. justmake a file like that? fair?
Feb 25 18:51:20 <lcuk> oli, ive already got a net established, i just wanted to look in windows or linux itself to see what it already knew
Feb 25 18:51:24 <lcuk> didnt want to scan for more
Feb 25 18:51:27 <lcuk> but nm anyway
Feb 25 18:51:31 <lcuk> i solved issue
Feb 25 18:51:34 <lcuk> it was the laptop
Feb 25 18:51:55 <qwerty12_N800> darkblue_B: no, /usr/share/applications/hildon
Feb 25 18:51:56 <oli> lcuk: it shows detailed informations about network, including client list
Feb 25 18:52:31 <oli> btw, after using monitor mode on my n800 (kismet, airodump-ng) it can't connect to WPA2 secured network until i reboot, is it normal?
Feb 25 18:52:38 <darkblue_B> qwerty12_N800: for a non-GUI program?
Feb 25 18:53:12 <qwerty12_N800> gui doesn't make a difference.
Feb 25 18:53:22 <darkblue_B> looking.. .desktop files
Feb 25 18:54:46 <qwerty12_N800> oli: google for my build, i added a lot of niceities
Feb 25 18:54:52 <darkblue_B> are these fields in the .desktop files documented somewhere?
Feb 25 18:58:16 <oli> qwerty12_N800: what does your script do?
Feb 25 18:58:56 <qwerty12_N800> i thought i'd explained it. but dpkg-deb -x is nice ;)
Feb 25 18:59:30 <darkblue_B> (is that to me?)
Feb 25 19:00:08 <darkblue_B> cant be
Feb 25 19:00:14 <r2d2rogers> Stskeeps: how goes it?  any suggestion (imager, etc. )  to get to a good current test point for Mer & 770?
Feb 25 19:00:26 <oli> qwerty12_N800: yes, but what way you'd used to reset connection?
Feb 25 19:01:06 <darkblue_B> what is this huge silence about docs?  I asked where to read about .services, and now .desktoip files.. and a big nothing.. Is this a secret?
Feb 25 19:01:28 <darkblue_B> none of you read docs I know.. you are all psychic
Feb 25 19:02:05 <qwerty12_N800> oli: like I said, dpkg-deb. I'm not typing the commands again (iirc, it's decently commented)
Feb 25 19:02:26 <Stskeeps> r2d2rogers: mmm. got a bit of a flu, but i have cx3110x-module-770 there now, but i have doubts on stability
Feb 25 19:02:39 <Stskeeps> r2d2rogers: i had it working with wpasupplicant once though
Feb 25 19:02:49 <r2d2rogers> sweet
Feb 25 19:03:08 <r2d2rogers> Stskeeps: understand, flu  ick!
Feb 25 19:03:27 <oli> okay ;9
Feb 25 19:03:27 <Stskeeps> r2d2rogers: but i've contacted a guy who was working on stlc45xx for 770
Feb 25 19:03:38 <r2d2rogers> we might be over all or ours, waiting to hear on how the 4 year old did today
Feb 25 19:03:42 <r2d2rogers> \o/
Feb 25 19:05:51 <r2d2rogers> Stskeeps: I'll kick off the imager here and see what I get <G>
Feb 25 19:05:59 <Stskeeps> i have a tar.gz too if you want to try :P
Feb 25 19:06:01 <darkblue_B> ok, I am looking at http://maemo.org/development/documentation/apis/4-1/
Feb 25 19:06:11 <r2d2rogers> Stskeeps: even better <G>
Feb 25 19:06:19 <darkblue_B> clues as to where .desktop file fields might be ?
Feb 25 19:07:23 <darkblue_B> uh-huh wiki.maemo.org/Desktio_file_format
Feb 25 19:07:29 <darkblue_B> thx so much
Feb 25 19:10:03 <qwerty12_N800> RST38h: rox-filer sucks. it uses glade which doesn't seem to agree with my tap n' hold and some other hildonising stuffs...
Feb 25 19:11:07 <darkblue_B> so then the next part.. I saw an app on which said "choose the menu item to turn it on, choose the menu item again to turn it off.. no indication of state, sorry thats the best I can do right now"
Feb 25 19:11:12 <darkblue_B> which is junky
Feb 25 19:11:31 <darkblue_B> I suppose I need a faced app to show status.. of off and on
Feb 25 19:11:52 <darkblue_B> (eg the menu wont show icons in one of two states )
Feb 25 19:13:56 <darkblue_B> python site-packages has hildondesktop
Feb 25 19:16:48 <darkblue_B> gee Internettablettalk keeps coming up
Feb 25 19:16:55 <darkblue_B> I guess thats where to look
Feb 25 19:17:22 <Stskeeps> internettablettalk.com is both a hell-hole and a enmourous(sp) source of information
Feb 25 19:17:37 <darkblue_B> yeah _ got the hell hole part
Feb 25 19:17:40 <Davide-Banana> hello I have a question.  I'm new with linux so bear with me.  a little while ago I installed some package on my N800 that gave me a bunch of stuff including Open Office 2.4, and "debian" not sure what that is
Feb 25 19:17:45 <darkblue_B> I dont care for the interface
Feb 25 19:17:56 <Davide-Banana> does this mean I can install regular linux programs on my n800?
Feb 25 19:17:59 <Davide-Banana> and they would run?
Feb 25 19:18:01 <darkblue_B> Davide-Banana: debian is the bass OS
Feb 25 19:18:03 <darkblue_B> base
Feb 25 19:18:11 <Stskeeps> darkblue_B: yeah, but it doesn't act like that :P
Feb 25 19:18:12 <Davide-Banana> ok
Feb 25 19:18:15 <Stskeeps> Davide-Banana: yes, easy debian
Feb 25 19:18:27 <Stskeeps> you can get most things ported for debian-armel (lenny)
Feb 25 19:18:41 <Davide-Banana> so what is the benefit of what I installed?
Feb 25 19:18:44 <Davide-Banana> what else can I do with it?
Feb 25 19:18:51 <Stskeeps> Davide-Banana: that is what it is for :P
Feb 25 19:18:54 <Davide-Banana> I only use openoffice really... and that's great
Feb 25 19:18:55 <Davide-Banana> ok
Feb 25 19:18:57 <Davide-Banana> hehe
Feb 25 19:19:02 <darkblue_B> Davide-Banana: Open Office is the most resource intensive GUI app you will ever see
Feb 25 19:19:11 <Stskeeps> darkblue_B: did you ever try Joost? :P
Feb 25 19:19:14 <Stskeeps> that was hell.
Feb 25 19:19:15 <Davide-Banana> yeah its a bit slow... but it works fine
Feb 25 19:19:18 <Davide-Banana> Joost?
Feb 25 19:19:18 <Davide-Banana> no
Feb 25 19:19:22 <darkblue_B> I cant imagine you are talking about installing it on a small device
Feb 25 19:19:33 <Stskeeps> darkblue_B: scaringily people use it :P
Feb 25 19:19:38 <darkblue_B> weird
Feb 25 19:19:42 <Davide-Banana> you mean open office?
Feb 25 19:19:45 <darkblue_B> yes
Feb 25 19:19:47 <Davide-Banana> it's on my device
Feb 25 19:19:48 <Davide-Banana> and it works fine
Feb 25 19:19:59 * GeneralAntilles facepalm http://omag.es/blog/2009/02/25/nokia-using-arm-new-multicore-processor/
Feb 25 19:20:00 <darkblue_B> like an elephant balanced on a beach ball
Feb 25 19:20:01 <Davide-Banana> I mean it responds sightly delayed
Feb 25 19:20:06 <Davide-Banana> but I can live with it
Feb 25 19:20:09 <GeneralAntilles> and I still can't comment on that blog to correct the insanity.
Feb 25 19:20:09 <Davide-Banana> LOL
Feb 25 19:20:27 <Davide-Banana> well I was just wondering... I wanted to have a simple sound editing program
Feb 25 19:20:33 <darkblue_B> so the answer is yes, you can run debian linux things.. I would not go deeply into general desktop linux stuff myself
Feb 25 19:20:34 <Davide-Banana> and was wondering if it existed for the N800
Feb 25 19:20:46 <darkblue_B> sound editing !!!
Feb 25 19:20:46 <Stskeeps> GeneralAntilles: we should do a test how easy it is to make consistent tablet rumours
Feb 25 19:21:07 <GeneralAntilles> I mean, multi-core isn't particularly exciting.
Feb 25 19:21:14 <GeneralAntilles> The Cortex A9 is off on the horizon
Feb 25 19:21:18 * darkblue_B goes back to hildondesktop python article
Feb 25 19:21:24 <GeneralAntilles> It's rather obvious that Nokia will eventually move that direction.
Feb 25 19:21:29 <Davide-Banana> well darkblue_B I may be wrong, but I remember a while back there was an icon in the App Manager installable programs menu that was some kind of lite sound editing program
Feb 25 19:21:31 <GeneralAntilles> The rest of it is just silliness.
Feb 25 19:21:31 <Davide-Banana> it's no longer there
Feb 25 19:21:36 <Davide-Banana> maybe it was for a previous OS
Feb 25 19:21:37 <Davide-Banana> idk
Feb 25 19:21:43 <Davide-Banana> does anyone remember what I'm talking about?
Feb 25 19:21:52 <Davide-Banana> I may have dreamed it up
Feb 25 19:21:54 <Davide-Banana> not sure
Feb 25 19:23:12 <Davide-Banana> is there any such program?
Feb 25 19:23:16 <fiferboy> mikkov_: Thanks for the regex package!!
Feb 25 19:23:48 <Davide-Banana> you may ask why would you want to do sound editing on your N800?!
Feb 25 19:24:01 <Davide-Banana> well sometimes I listen to podcasts of some radio shows
Feb 25 19:24:16 <Davide-Banana> and I have the desire to take an excerpt out of the long podcast... to save
Feb 25 19:24:25 <Davide-Banana> and would like to do that on the go...
Feb 25 19:24:26 <Davide-Banana> :D
Feb 25 19:24:38 <tank-man> mp3splt
Feb 25 19:24:43 <Davide-Banana> ?
Feb 25 19:24:45 <Davide-Banana> on N80?
Feb 25 19:24:48 <Davide-Banana> N800#
Feb 25 19:25:00 <tank-man> that can do it, but i dont know of a port on the n800
Feb 25 19:25:05 <Davide-Banana> oh
Feb 25 19:25:17 <Davide-Banana> well I was thinking of a prog similar to... audacity
Feb 25 19:25:20 <Davide-Banana> or cool edit
Feb 25 19:25:23 <Davide-Banana> something like that
Feb 25 19:25:26 <tank-man> over kill
Feb 25 19:25:30 <Davide-Banana> wouldn't have to have all those features
Feb 25 19:25:39 <darkblue_B> way over the top
Feb 25 19:25:41 <Davide-Banana> maybe something that would also allow fading idk
Feb 25 19:25:55 <darkblue_B> audacity doenst even work well on ne desktop machines
Feb 25 19:25:56 <Davide-Banana> like amplify sound etc..
Feb 25 19:26:05 <Davide-Banana> well I dont use audacity on desktop
Feb 25 19:26:09 <Davide-Banana> I've used cooledit
Feb 25 19:26:23 <Davide-Banana> and wavepad sound editor
Feb 25 19:26:24 <darkblue_B> I want to climb a mountain in my bare feet, will someone pleae show me the path?
Feb 25 19:26:39 <Davide-Banana> is that the kind of question I'm asking?
Feb 25 19:26:41 <Davide-Banana> darkblue?
Feb 25 19:26:46 <darkblue_B> yes I think so
Feb 25 19:26:48 <Davide-Banana> ok
Feb 25 19:26:50 <Davide-Banana> enough said
Feb 25 19:26:55 <Davide-Banana> :(
Feb 25 19:27:00 <darkblue_B> sound editing is hard
Feb 25 19:27:16 <Davide-Banana> man I swear I saw a prog before in the repositories a long time ago
Feb 25 19:27:23 <Davide-Banana> before os 2008 I think
Feb 25 19:27:23 <Davide-Banana> idk
Feb 25 19:27:25 <darkblue_B> even new desktop machines with big pakgs dont do it well
Feb 25 19:27:28 <Davide-Banana> I'm probably dreaming it
Feb 25 19:27:37 <darkblue_B> you can have a small splice thing that will make a cut in a sound file
Feb 25 19:27:47 <darkblue_B> but you started out by talking about Open Office
Feb 25 19:27:52 <darkblue_B> its just not realisitc
Feb 25 19:28:04 <Davide-Banana> ok well I'm telling you I run open office fine on my N800
Feb 25 19:28:13 <darkblue_B> ok, well thats new to me
Feb 25 19:28:17 <Davide-Banana> it's not 100% fast like it would be on a desktop
Feb 25 19:28:25 <darkblue_B> I suppose it is a testimaent to the careful work of the sfwr world
Feb 25 19:28:26 <Davide-Banana> but its fast enough for use
Feb 25 19:28:28 <darkblue_B> but think a moent
Feb 25 19:28:39 <darkblue_B> is it really the best use of a timy handheld?
Feb 25 19:28:51 <Davide-Banana> I have use for it...
Feb 25 19:29:02 <Davide-Banana> I have lots of doc files I need to view... and it works great!
Feb 25 19:29:10 <Davide-Banana> google docs is MUCH MUCH slower for me
Feb 25 19:29:11 <darkblue_B> you type formal docs with it>?  anyway, I dont want to debate Open Office on a handheld
Feb 25 19:29:13 <Davide-Banana> than openoffice
Feb 25 19:29:21 <Davide-Banana> I dont really type with it
Feb 25 19:29:23 <darkblue_B> ok ! so a .doc VIEWER
Feb 25 19:29:24 <Davide-Banana> just view docs
Feb 25 19:29:28 <darkblue_B> that makes so much more sense
Feb 25 19:29:32 <Davide-Banana> ah ok
Feb 25 19:29:33 <Davide-Banana> sorry
Feb 25 19:29:56 <Davide-Banana> I mean I'm guessing I could type with it just haven't done it...
Feb 25 19:30:03 <Davide-Banana> I dont like typing on my N800 anyway
Feb 25 19:30:04 <Davide-Banana> :D
Feb 25 19:30:07 <darkblue_B> I have written commercial sfwr for 20 years.. I know first hand the amount of effort that goes into a large user editing package
Feb 25 19:30:21 <Davide-Banana> ok
Feb 25 19:30:33 <darkblue_B> .. so the idea of all of OpenOffice is just .. well, disproportionate to anything that makes sense to me
Feb 25 19:30:55 <glass> darkblue_B: still, it works for large number of people, so somewhere your logic fails
Feb 25 19:31:06 <darkblue_B> I am here myself today to get some direction oin making a tiny fornt end for a small python program that I have running
Feb 25 19:31:17 <darkblue_B> but I am not geting very far yet
Feb 25 19:31:36 <darkblue_B> glass: of course, run Open Office.. how can I be so blind
Feb 25 19:31:37 <Davide-Banana> ok well my original question I guess was simply:  1 do you know of a sound editing prog for N800?  and if not 2  can I port a regular sound editing prog due to that debian package I have installed?
Feb 25 19:32:13 <darkblue_B> Davide-Banana: I bet you there is a small linux program, or a dozen, that will trim mp3 st a pint
Feb 25 19:32:15 <darkblue_B> point
Feb 25 19:32:30 <darkblue_B> beyond that it is asking alot IMHO
Feb 25 19:32:36 <Davide-Banana> ok
Feb 25 19:32:54 <Davide-Banana> and if I find it is it difficult ot port it?  or I would just install it?
Feb 25 19:33:22 <Davide-Banana> basically I don't quite understand what this deb package does for me it completely allows me to install regular linux apps?
Feb 25 19:33:28 <Davide-Banana> or more still has to be done?
Feb 25 19:33:29 <darkblue_B> the wise guys here said most things from debian lenny amel will run
Feb 25 19:33:34 <darkblue_B> I think something like that
Feb 25 19:33:37 <Davide-Banana> ah ok
Feb 25 19:33:38 <darkblue_B> (see above)
Feb 25 19:33:45 <darkblue_B> I am new to this,
Feb 25 19:34:00 <darkblue_B> or, seldom tried it, over the last yeat
Feb 25 19:34:06 <darkblue_B> year.. ie not an expert
Feb 25 19:34:58 <Davide-Banana> I have an icon called:  Debian LXDE
Feb 25 19:35:02 <Davide-Banana> what do you think that is?
Feb 25 19:36:23 * oli thinks it's an icon
Feb 25 19:36:37 <Davide-Banana> :)
Feb 25 19:36:52 <oli> lxde is a graphic environment
Feb 25 19:38:20 <Davide-Banana> oh cool it gives me another desktop!
Feb 25 19:38:24 <Davide-Banana> never tried it heh
Feb 25 19:59:51 <Stskeeps> GeneralAntilles: http://jaiku.com/channel/maemo/presence/54470474
Feb 25 19:59:57 <Stskeeps> place to complain :P
Feb 25 20:15:03 <Macer> well
Feb 25 20:15:14 <Macer> just flashed the new firmware for my G1 onto it
Feb 25 20:16:57 <darkblue_B> pydon hildondesktop
Feb 25 20:17:00 <darkblue_B> pydoc
Feb 25 20:21:38 <Stskeeps> http://mobile.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/02/25/1854218
Feb 25 20:21:40 <Stskeeps> that's disturbing
Feb 25 20:21:54 <oli> how to edit menu entries?
Feb 25 20:24:05 <oli> ok, nevermind
Feb 25 20:24:57 <Stskeeps> heh, vmware on tablets, .. i kinda want it though
Feb 25 20:25:21 <timelE61i> bE careful what you wish for
Feb 25 20:25:34 <Stskeeps> yeah, well, http://www.itpro.co.uk/609997/video-two-operating-systems-on-one-phone
Feb 25 20:25:37 <Stskeeps> on a n800 :P
Feb 25 20:26:06 * qwerty12_N800 wouldn't mind, I kinda miss having a ppc after trying my sister's xperia
Feb 25 20:26:43 <robtaylor> Stskeeps: that's freaky
Feb 25 20:27:11 <Stskeeps> robtaylor: yes, it is
Feb 25 20:28:19 <Stskeeps> on the other hand, immensively cool :P
Feb 25 20:29:09 <robtaylor> Stskeeps: heh, guess so!
Feb 25 20:32:09 <timelE61i> hello robtaylor
Feb 25 20:33:35 <robtaylor> timelE61i == timeless, right? :)
Feb 25 20:33:37 <robtaylor> hey
Feb 25 20:33:45 <darkblue_B> so apparently this hildondeskop python search has been somewhat non-productive.. its gtk.dialog that I want it seems
Feb 25 20:35:41 <darkblue_B> .. finding the python version of things is not easy
Feb 25 20:35:56 <Stskeeps> python-hildon vs python-hildondesktop i hope
Feb 25 20:36:39 <darkblue_B> I dont know that the difference is
Feb 25 20:39:04 * timelE61i nods
Feb 25 20:41:17 <Stskeeps> darkblue_B: hildondesktop is used to make home applets, whereas hildon is for apps
Feb 25 20:41:41 <darkblue_B> home applets.. vs apps... ??
Feb 25 20:42:12 <lcuk> applets are .so plugins which live on the desktop, apps are well, umm apps
Feb 25 20:42:26 <timelE61i> s/on/in/
Feb 25 20:42:37 <darkblue_B> live on the desktop.. ok
Feb 25 20:42:58 <timelE61i> They're loaded *in*to the desktop process
Feb 25 20:43:11 <timelE61i> If they crash, the desktop crashes
Feb 25 20:43:11 <darkblue_B> well after much eyeball glazing, I am getting the idea tht what I should be reading is GTK stuff, not hildon anything
Feb 25 20:43:46 <darkblue_B> all I want to do is put up a window, with two buttons and a picture, and respond to the two buttons..
Feb 25 20:44:01 <darkblue_B> to turn a python program on and off
Feb 25 20:44:15 <darkblue_B> thx for the clarification
Feb 25 20:44:22 <darkblue_B> I dont htink I care about dektop apps
Feb 25 20:47:28 <timelE61i> jAem: that link is what i'm working on outside of work
Feb 25 20:48:30 <timelE61i> it needs continuous testing+feedback
Feb 25 20:48:52 <timelE61i> Although atm it's stalled behind my vpn breaking my laptop
Feb 25 20:49:03 <timelE61i> I'll probably go back to it tonight
Feb 25 20:51:22 <darkblue_B> everything is glade
Feb 25 20:53:09 <Stskeeps> glade is nice :P
Feb 25 20:53:40 <Stskeeps> wb GA
Feb 25 20:57:11 <timelE61i> Gan: so bugzilla product creation went ok?
Feb 25 21:00:20 * Stskeeps ponders idly how much a gain prelink made for 770 OS'es
Feb 25 21:01:04 <timelE61i> Sts: in general such things are done for 5+s wins or to get under a 5s limit
Feb 25 21:01:16 <Stskeeps> mm, true
Feb 25 21:02:28 <timelE61i> there are maintenance and debugging penalties, so if the win isn't noticable somewhere important
Feb 25 21:02:39 <timelE61i> It shouldn't be included
Feb 25 21:03:48 <Stskeeps> oh that's terrifying. wifi working on 770.
Feb 25 21:04:43 <r2d2rogers> Stskeeps: different fromt he image I have?
Feb 25 21:04:50 <Stskeeps> yes, new .ko
Feb 25 21:04:55 <r2d2rogers> ahha
Feb 25 21:05:12 * r2d2rogers reboots
Feb 25 21:10:22 <darkblue_B> ugh.. Glade interface builder resists simple efforts
Feb 25 21:10:29 <darkblue_B> break on this
Feb 25 21:11:29 <GeneralAntilles> timelE61i, haven't tried yet.
Feb 25 21:11:54 * GeneralAntilles has fun with power outages.
Feb 25 21:12:58 <Stskeeps> r2d2rogers: http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/cx3110x.ko , put in /lib/modules/ , you may have to ifconfig wlan0 down & up, and chroot /mnt/initfs wlan-cal and then try. i recommend killing wifi_powersave.py process.
Feb 25 21:13:48 <r2d2rogers> Stskeeps: thanks, trying to get USBnet working now
Feb 25 21:24:12 <dougt> timelE61i: found my crash.  location_gpsd_control_start() does some badness.
Feb 25 21:27:10 <timeless> dougt: cool
Feb 25 21:27:19 <timeless> dougt: did we get you a dbg package?
Feb 25 21:27:23 <dougt> nope.
Feb 25 21:27:26 <timeless> if not, i can grab one in 15mins
Feb 25 21:27:41 <dougt> not sure if it is going to due me much good.
Feb 25 21:27:47 <timeless> s/due/do/
Feb 25 21:27:54 <dougt> that too
Feb 25 21:27:56 <dougt> :-)
Feb 25 21:28:35 * timeless kicks itunes
Feb 25 21:28:45 <igagis> hi
Feb 25 21:29:16 <timeless> MDCrC:\Program Files\Common Files\Apple\Mobile Device Support\bin\MDCrashReportTool.exe
Feb 25 21:29:21 * timeless chuckles
Feb 25 21:29:34 <timeless> i suppose that's a good reason for itunes not to be working properly
Feb 25 21:29:35 <igagis> does anybody know how to disable that click sound when tapping tablet screen? I mean disable it from my application, for my application only...
Feb 25 21:31:42 <r2d2rogers> Stskeeps: \o/ on reboot it worked on boot, auto connected, testing speed etc now...
Feb 25 21:39:05 <StsN800> r2d2rogers, with my ko?
Feb 25 21:40:03 <r2d2rogers> StsN800: yup
Feb 25 21:40:14 <StsN800> neat
Feb 25 21:40:29 <r2d2rogers> still not getting there with a WPA2 enterprise PEAP authed network, but I was having issues with that under maemo also
Feb 25 21:40:51 <StsN800> i found a mamona patch that stopped wpa supplicant so
Feb 25 21:41:04 <StsN800> er, stopped crahing
Feb 25 21:41:10 <r2d2rogers> but it's actually coming back with errors is shtead of just locking into trying
Feb 25 21:41:19 <r2d2rogers> sweet
Feb 25 21:44:47 <Guysoft422> hey, is there a way to make a script exacute on startup in maemo? after the gui starts
Feb 25 21:49:23 <zs1> Guysoft422: maybe you want to put it into /etc/rc2.d/ ?
Feb 25 21:52:55 <oli> brothers :) http://i43.tinypic.com/2wrl25x.jpg
Feb 25 21:53:44 <zs1> oli: what's that?
Feb 25 21:54:20 <oli> kismets running on my PC and n800
Feb 25 21:56:19 <oli> nokia's sensitivity is the same as my wlan card's with external antenna made from can
Feb 25 22:22:17 <GuySoft> zs1 i dont because it does not work there... i
Feb 25 22:22:23 <GuySoft> its an xmodmap fix
Feb 25 22:28:59 <GeneralAntilles> Anybody have any objections to maemoorg-splash and athf-splash being promoted?
Feb 25 23:23:47 <lbt> GeneralAntilles: did 0.5.1 work for you?
Feb 25 23:56:56 <iMoose> hey folks! google has failed me, where do I get kismet from now that the .pl repository has gone?
Feb 25 23:59:21 <oli> iMoose: wait a sec, i'll help you :)
Feb 26 00:00:36 <iMoose> oli: nice, thanks!
Feb 26 00:00:57 <iMoose> I'm sure I can get gpsd etc everything working, I just can't find the package for kismet.
Feb 26 00:01:10 <oli> http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25499
Feb 26 00:01:31 <oli> install libcap first, then kismet from  deb
Feb 26 00:01:53 <iMoose> mmmm, tasty
Feb 26 00:01:58 <iMoose> i will go do that :)
Feb 26 00:11:56 <iMoose> so far so good...
Feb 26 00:14:30 <iMoose> yay! happy and working.
Feb 26 00:14:32 <iMoose> many thanks
Feb 26 00:15:51 <iMoose> i'll have to wait for my GPS to charge before I worry about gps support
Feb 26 00:29:35 <GeneralAntilles> lbt, yeah.
Feb 26 00:30:37 <lbt> good :) Let me know of any crashes etc - once asterisk sends my voicemails to my imap server I'll do multicolumn...
Feb 26 00:30:53 <lbt> oh - and let me know if/when bugzilla is active
Feb 26 00:31:25 <GeneralAntilles> It should be active now
Feb 26 00:32:58 <GeneralAntilles> https://bugs.maemo.org/describecomponents.cgi?product=Shopper
Feb 26 01:12:10 <GeneralAntilles> Ugh, they even got Engadget http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/25/nokia-working-on-laptops-arm-powered-mid/
Feb 26 01:13:44 <lpotter> hmmm
Feb 26 01:16:44 <lpotter> laptops.. right..
Feb 26 01:18:20 <GeneralAntilles> I like the "new widget-based interface"
Feb 26 01:18:24 <GeneralAntilles> i.e., OS2007. . . .
Feb 26 01:27:53 <jaem> good morning
Feb 26 01:28:57 <jaem> I've installed bash, and symlinked /bin/sh to /bin/bash, but my .bashrc isn't being read in when I start up the Maemo terminal emulator.  Am I doing something wrong?
Feb 26 01:29:11 <jaem> it works when I run /bin/bash manually, from an already open shell
Feb 26 01:38:16 <tank-man> how do you know it is bash that you first start
Feb 26 01:38:23 <tank-man> and not busybox
Feb 26 01:38:51 <jaem> well, I checked, and also, I deleted the symlink to busybox, and re-linked /bin/sh to bash
Feb 26 01:39:16 <tank-man> how did you check? like with "help" and looking at the version?
Feb 26 01:41:26 <jaem> to be honest, I can't remember, as it was last night that I was fiddling with it, but I'm quite certain it is
Feb 26 01:41:45 <jaem> I was trying to append something to my $PATH, and add an alias
Feb 26 01:42:02 <jaem> the prompt seems to be the one set in the .bashrc
Feb 26 01:42:14 <jaem> but the $PATH and alias aren't set as they should be
Feb 26 01:42:38 <jaem> if I open a terminal, and then run /bin/bash, everything goes as expected
Feb 26 01:42:45 <tank-man> i vaguely remember reading something somewhere about not making a sym link like you did, cause of possible problems
Feb 26 01:42:56 <tank-man> replacing busybox with bash
Feb 26 01:43:19 <jaem> hmm... I was wondering.  Did Nokia do something weird in their setup?
Feb 26 01:43:33 <jaem> I couldn't find much information on replacing it on the N810
Feb 26 02:02:58 <b-man> WOHOOOO!!!!!! Wireless is now working in Ubuntu on my tablet!!! :D :D :D XD  ttp://www.bman.maemobox.org/projects/ubuntu-n8x0/screenshots/Screenshot-9.png  -- i'll be updating the ubuntu-n8x0 guide to include instructions as soon as i can :)
Feb 26 02:03:19 <jaem> %11111000 !!!!
Feb 26 02:03:27 <b-man> :D
Feb 26 02:04:19 <jaem> hmmm... I was looking through my spam box in case something slipped through, and apparently I'm getting spam trying to sell me FPGAs
Feb 26 02:04:38 <b-man> heh
Feb 26 02:04:42 <jaem> then again, I am in engineering
Feb 26 02:04:45 <jaem> but it's rather amusing
Feb 26 02:05:39 <jaem> b-man: how's the performance and battery life for Ubuntu?
Feb 26 02:06:18 <b-man> not too bad as long as you have powersave enabled :)
Feb 26 02:06:46 <b-man> 2-3 hours for ubuntu with gnome)
Feb 26 02:07:00 <jaem> is that light use, heavy use, or idle?
Feb 26 02:07:19 <b-man> idle - 1-2 for heavy use
Feb 26 02:07:53 <jaem> hmm... I suppose a quadruple-boot setup on a handheld wouldn't be too absurd for me
Feb 26 02:07:56 <jaem> I may try it
Feb 26 02:08:38 <b-man> it probiblly will have better performance with a lighter desktop ;)
Feb 26 02:08:47 <jaem> yeah.  I like LXDE
Feb 26 02:09:03 <jaem> what sort of install method is needed for it?
Feb 26 02:09:24 <b-man> for lxde?
Feb 26 02:09:32 <jaem> for the Ubuntu install, I mean
Feb 26 02:10:16 <b-man> for now, you will need to use the guide, however i'm working on an installer :)
Feb 26 02:16:13 <jaem> woah!  I'm just watching the VMWare on N800 demo
Feb 26 02:17:05 <jaem> I would buy that.  I hope it becomes available for a reasonable price
Feb 26 02:20:41 <GeneralAntilles> jaem, that all seem suspiciously fast.
Feb 26 02:20:50 <GeneralAntilles> The video rendering is just too smooth.
Feb 26 02:20:52 <jaem> it admittedly does
Feb 26 02:21:10 <jaem> but I doubt they'd demo something if they didn't think they could make it at least useable
Feb 26 02:21:27 <GeneralAntilles> I'm just wondering what the gimmick is.
Feb 26 02:21:34 <GeneralAntilles> Maybe they stuffed an RX-51 into an N800 case. :P
Feb 26 02:21:56 <jaem> I've heard of phones using virtualization before, but not with OSes of that scale
Feb 26 02:21:58 <jaem> haha
Feb 26 02:22:08 <GeneralAntilles> I mean, a Core 2 Duo machine doesn't even run Ubuntu that smoothly in VMWare. . . .
Feb 26 02:22:33 <jaem> I haven't had many issues
Feb 26 02:23:00 <jaem> although the only Ubuntu VM I have running right now is on a remote server, and there are some connection issues, so performance stinks
Feb 26 02:23:30 <jaem> I find it hard to believe the spinning globe
Feb 26 02:23:49 <jaem> but still, virtualization on the N8x0/N810+1 would be nice, in any case
Feb 26 02:24:40 <GeneralAntilles> RAM is going to be an issue.
Feb 26 02:29:18 <jaem> b-man: is the wifi support available with updates after install, or do I have to wait for that?
Feb 26 02:30:49 <b-man> you'll need to wait untill i update tablet-wireless if you want a deb install, however i'm posting instructions on the ubuntu-n8x0 guide right now :D
Feb 26 02:31:01 <jaem> thanks!
Feb 26 02:34:29 <b-man> jaem: instructions are now available at http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25975&page=9  -- have fun!! :D
Feb 26 02:59:45 <jaem> b-man: where might I find debootstrap for Maemo?
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