**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Mar 01 02:59:57 2009 Mar 01 03:35:01 * neatojones begins making e17 packages...this is going to take a while Mar 01 03:48:52 wow Mar 01 03:48:58 debian is absolutely awesome Mar 01 03:49:03 it has been a long time since i used it last Mar 01 03:49:08 but it is....... wow Mar 01 03:49:09 :) Mar 01 04:02:10 hi Mar 01 04:04:16 I am a prefinal year computer science engineering student from kerala/India, interested in open source development. And I would like to participate in this gsoc .. how can i contribute to you if your projects are still open..? Mar 01 04:05:45 ranjith, I don't think we're quite that far along yet. Mar 01 04:05:51 ranjith, see http://wiki.maemo.org/GSoC_2009 Mar 01 04:06:07 VDVsx in here may be able to help, but it looks like he's offline right now. Mar 01 04:08:33 * neatojones is still on his first package of 32. (This is REALLY going to take a while) Mar 01 04:09:37 * timeless wonders about the odds of a father and son contributing to the same project Mar 01 04:15:27 *neatojones is on #2...woohoo! Mar 01 04:26:13 GeneralAntilles:sorry for replaying so late.. Mar 01 04:28:24 GeneralAntilles: I have gone through the link you gave sometimes before But dint get a clear picture of your projects.. I am a little experienced with c and python programming .. And would like to know Can I start studying the existings codes for your projects now..? Mar 01 04:28:34 or how can i start..? Mar 01 04:29:04 ranjith, well, nothing's been finalized yet. Mar 01 04:34:33 ranjith, for now, it may help to familiarize yourself with Maemo as much as possible. Mar 01 04:42:53 GeneralAntilles: Ok I will try to familiarise myself to maemo as possible.. Mar 01 04:52:41 I will try to go through the existing projects in maemo and will try to understand the source codes available.. andI hope the mailing lists will be help full to understand the code base.. Mar 01 04:52:54 any way thank you for your time.. Mar 01 05:01:12 hey b-man Mar 01 05:01:37 hello Mar 01 05:01:39 i'm at a party atm :) Mar 01 05:02:25 proof? Mar 01 05:02:37 * b-man feels a bit sick - ate too much food ;p Mar 01 05:02:49 damnit Mar 01 05:02:57 does anybody mnow if ufs can be mounted ro in debian? Mar 01 05:03:02 mnow know Mar 01 05:04:49 b-man the debs for e17 are going slow, but they are building. Who/how should I send them for inclusion in a repo? Mar 01 05:05:14 what a let down Mar 01 05:05:21 i can't believe debian can't mount ufs Mar 01 05:05:23 rw Mar 01 05:05:50 neatojones: you can upload them to a mirror ;) Mar 01 05:06:08 so i can copy them over Mar 01 05:07:19 at this rate, it may be a couple days. But, I'll try and find a mirror to put them to. Mar 01 05:08:56 b-man: got ubuntu to boot and all, hate it i did uh lxde but i switched back to maemo ;p Mar 01 05:08:59 great port though :) Mar 01 05:09:07 neatojones: your e17 deb didnt work for me Mar 01 05:11:49 what failed? deps? Mar 01 05:12:02 these ones should work better. Mar 01 05:12:26 that one simply downloads the code and compiles it. Mar 01 05:12:51 the ones i'm building now are the actual program Mar 01 05:13:10 *builds Mar 01 05:13:41 zakkm: give it another try with the next set. Mar 01 05:15:36 neatojones: the e17 deb. Mar 01 05:15:45 probably bad old image ;p Mar 01 05:16:09 its okay, dont use my nokia anymore, just wanted to try it out, saw your e17 screenshots and im like wow got to try this, hate e17 on desktop though Mar 01 05:16:18 No, it downloads whatever the current ones are from svn Mar 01 05:16:42 you'll have to see the new illume module. it's a bit different Mar 01 05:17:15 like I said, just give me a bit of time to get these done and give it a try then. Mar 01 05:17:34 should work better. B-man is working on an even simpler way to get it going. Mar 01 05:17:50 should eventually be pretty automated install/setup Mar 01 06:19:05 hello people, offtopic question : my new n810 NIT's screen is feeling a bit loose on the right side Mar 01 06:19:34 it stays in its position while typing , but its irritating Mar 01 06:20:23 (i just started noticing it ...hope i wasnt the cause for it..it did suffer some wheat of a jerk a while aago ...no falling though) Mar 01 06:21:36 geoaxis: common problem Mar 01 06:21:55 screen mounts aren't all that great Mar 01 06:23:41 is it possible to make the microb browser in os2008 not display the warning about javascript scripts running slow? Mar 01 06:27:06 so fast I can't respond. oh well... Mar 01 06:30:29 geoaxis: Mine is the same way Mar 01 06:30:34 the right side is looser Mar 01 06:30:52 wow this sucks Mar 01 06:30:58 have to move shit to external hard drives Mar 01 06:31:07 thank god i only got up to 1.5TB on the raid Mar 01 06:31:08 :) Mar 01 06:31:14 eek Mar 01 06:31:37 maybe delete a couple movies? Mar 01 06:31:42 i am ;) Mar 01 06:31:43 haha Mar 01 06:31:56 i'm going to lose a FEW things Mar 01 06:32:04 spring cleaning Mar 01 06:32:05 it's ok tho.. i can just download them later Mar 01 06:32:10 still sucks tho Mar 01 06:32:17 trying to get rid of fbsd on the box and install debian Mar 01 06:32:20 you wont miss em Mar 01 06:32:20 debian is awesome now Mar 01 06:32:28 fireun: yeah... i won't Mar 01 06:32:40 i hardly watch the movies anyways.. but the shows.. i do watch the shows ;) Mar 01 06:32:47 so now i have to move them to external usb drives Mar 01 06:32:56 might as well take a nap while this does this Mar 01 06:33:03 then i have to hook up the other hd and hope it works Mar 01 06:33:08 raid 1 Mar 01 06:33:16 I should never gotten rid of my deadwood collection Mar 01 06:33:23 hello Mar 01 06:33:25 fireun: re-downloding would be easy Mar 01 06:33:31 it still sucks tho.. i'm trying to save as much as i can Mar 01 06:33:45 otherwise i'm going to be burning out my cable modem ;) Mar 01 06:33:48 deleting is faster than copying Mar 01 06:34:07 sure is Mar 01 06:34:11 :) but i can't start from scratch Mar 01 06:34:18 i need to save a few things Mar 01 06:34:26 especially my zimbra stuff Mar 01 06:34:48 this is a harsh move for me considering it's an 8TB file server Mar 01 06:35:12 only thing that doesn't make it so bad is that i only used 1.5TB Mar 01 06:35:50 and i just noticed my shell box is off with the time.. wtf? :) Mar 01 06:36:11 i am trying to install vmware on this thing and eliminate the esx shuttle k45 Mar 01 06:36:31 one of my other shuttle's died so i figured having just normal vmware on a server that is redundant would be a better idea Mar 01 06:37:30 i just hope i can move the esx stuff over without problems in vmware.. which i don't see why i would have problems but you never knwo Mar 01 07:34:59 Is this the right place to ask about a redirection problem in scratchbox? Mar 01 07:47:18 yes. Mar 01 07:47:28 your chances of getting a useful answer are low though. Mar 01 07:48:22 I'm trying to run a program which exists outside of scratchbox inside. Mar 01 07:48:32 But it can't find the program. Mar 01 07:49:39 it will not Mar 01 07:49:58 scratchbox1 is completely insulated from the outside filesystem Mar 01 07:50:14 Use scratchbox2 instead. Mar 01 07:52:05 About how much work would it be to get the Maemo SDK working on scratchbox 2? Mar 01 07:52:27 none, it already works Mar 01 07:52:33 gimme a moment Mar 01 07:52:38 link? Mar 01 07:52:56 http://maemo-sdk.garage.maemo.org/install.html Mar 01 07:53:01 heya pupnik Mar 01 07:54:37 Does this include scratchbox or should I install that first and then the SDK? Mar 01 07:55:14 RST38h: it's you that's working on Almost-TI, right? Mar 01 08:06:24 !deblet Mar 01 08:06:41 ~deblet Mar 01 08:06:43 it has been said that deblet is http://trac.tspre.org/projects/deblet Mar 01 08:06:58 Alex: note the command char... Mar 01 08:07:13 note taken Mar 01 08:08:48 I've just recently got my n800, is there a good podcatcher? Mar 01 08:10:03 Canola Mar 01 08:10:08 or GPodder if you want lightweight Mar 01 08:16:02 elliott: it includes sb2 Mar 01 08:16:11 jaem: Yes, what? Mar 01 08:17:27 GeneralAntilles, any that can schedule the downloads? Mar 01 08:17:48 just a thought... would it be feasible to allow 180 deg rotation of the calc on-screen? I generally hold my N810 with my hand through the kickstand when using the stylus only, which is convenient for Almost-TI, but left-handed people might have an issue with that Mar 01 08:19:04 jaem: not easily possible Mar 01 08:19:14 that's what I figured - I just thought I would check Mar 01 08:19:17 * neatojones has built 41 debs tonight and is still going strong... Mar 01 08:19:26 jaem: the display driver is optimized to draw TI display at the current angle Mar 01 08:19:28 I guess screen roatation takes care of that, in any case Mar 01 08:19:41 that makes sense Mar 01 08:19:44 I can, of course, rotate the whole thing post factum, but it will waste cpu Mar 01 08:19:51 I do love the program, though Mar 01 08:20:19 is there a deb of a version newer than the 83/5/6 available? Mar 01 08:20:25 or is that not done yet? Mar 01 08:20:34 extras repo has the latest deb Mar 01 08:21:36 Still need to do the source code release Mar 01 08:22:48 any tips for smoother flash playback? Mar 01 08:23:17 alex: if you want to play Flash Video, such as Youtube, use a stand-alone player, such as Canola + Youtube plugin Mar 01 08:23:35 AFAIK, Vimeo HD is a lost cause, with the N8x0 Mar 01 08:25:59 so there's no much hope inside the browser then? Mar 01 08:26:16 microB is a bit slow on flash-heavy websites Mar 01 08:26:34 also with really intensive AJAX/JS (try http://nxp.com/ to see what I mean) Mar 01 08:26:41 but it can do most common websites fine Mar 01 08:26:45 any other options? Mar 01 08:26:54 you might want to check out Tear, which is in development Mar 01 08:26:55 check the forums Mar 01 08:27:09 it's not fully usable yet, but it might work better for some websites Mar 01 08:27:23 what are you trying to view? Mar 01 08:33:17 youtube like site Mar 01 08:34:41 okay - well, see if you can find a way of downloading the FLV files (I don't know if Greasemonkey works, but there's probably a way that would work on the tablet), and I think MPlayer (in the Extras repo) can play the files Mar 01 08:34:52 that's probably your best bet, if it doesn't play well in the browser Mar 01 08:35:01 I'd help you more, but I'm watching a movie Mar 01 08:35:35 search the forums - there's likely several threads on the topic, and some may be helpful Mar 01 08:36:04 not in a nit I assume =) Mar 01 08:36:14 well, I did last night Mar 01 08:36:31 but then the fire alarm in my dorm rang, because someone burned their food at 2am, and we all had to evacuate Mar 01 08:36:35 thanks on the pointers Mar 01 08:37:03 you're welcome ;) If you find a good solution that hasn't been found before, please post it to the forums, so that we may all share in the knowledge ;) Mar 01 08:37:41 wait... hmm... I'm not technically afk, more like away-from-primary monitor Mar 01 08:37:41 lol Mar 01 09:39:20 morning Mar 01 09:39:57 moin Mar 01 09:54:15 hi, partly broke my system with apt-get install osso-software-version-unlocked choosed wrong number :P Mar 01 09:55:29 'oops' Mar 01 09:55:40 mishandling a loaded gun... Mar 01 09:56:39 .. one of those statements if you are referring to either 1) o-s-v or 2) your new hobby reenacting dick cheney shooting people scenes Mar 01 09:56:45 +making me wonder Mar 01 09:56:56 some packages left uninstalled, should i reflash? Mar 01 09:57:17 sts: believe me, i thought about it when i said it :) Mar 01 09:58:51 apt-get -f and dpkg --configure -a went through so partly apt still works Mar 01 09:59:41 hahlo_n800-43-7: re-install osso-software-version mayby Mar 01 09:59:52 tried to install rx-48 Mar 01 10:00:23 on a rx-34? :P Mar 01 10:00:24 what version is correct? Mar 01 10:00:37 very much not that one :) Mar 01 10:01:11 it was in repository Mar 01 10:02:15 yeah, but that package is for N810 wimax :P Mar 01 10:02:39 i'm pretty sure you have to break the safety seal to see it.. Mar 01 10:04:17 Stskeeps, how's Mertop these days? Mar 01 10:04:25 but usually debians doesn't have diffrent hardware software in their repositories Mar 01 10:04:42 But this isn't debian/ Mar 01 10:04:44 *. Mar 01 10:04:55 GeneralAntilles: i got my normal laptop back, and my fiancée home again so, the mertop is sitting nicely, turned off :P Mar 01 10:05:11 Dell Mini 9 + Mer == fun??? ;) Mar 01 10:05:22 GeneralAntilles: hehe, yeah, possibly, should be trivial to try out Mar 01 10:05:43 http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Documentation/Making_x86_Mer_Bootable Mar 01 10:05:59 (grab a ubuntu live cd/usb stick) Mar 01 10:06:38 249$ hm, that's cheap Mar 01 10:08:49 More like $200 Mar 01 10:09:10 even more terrifying :P Mar 01 10:09:19 then again, battery life? :P Mar 01 10:09:33 Up, looks like it went back up. Mar 01 10:09:41 Meh Mar 01 10:09:52 It's not something I'm going to be mobile with much. Mar 01 10:10:01 Mostly just a way to get a cheap x86 machine. Mar 01 10:10:05 *nod* Mar 01 10:11:55 Get a Rev C Beagle and swap the guts out. Mar 01 10:12:16 I wonder how long it'll run on a ~2 watt mobo. Mar 01 10:12:51 https://www.ohloh.net/p/mer/aliases/new Mar 01 10:13:01 hey, who's been checking into mer as root? Mar 01 10:13:36 potentially me :P Mar 01 10:14:00 i just forgot to set the bzr name Mar 01 10:14:39 (i have a chroot i work out of) Mar 01 10:21:51 wb Mar 01 10:22:09 did you have any luck with RNDIS, btw? Mar 01 10:22:13 if you want a XP tester i can probably do that tomorrow Mar 01 10:22:22 Thanks. I haven't tried again since :/ Mar 01 10:25:03 btw, think my wifi power saving stuff can be written as a powerlaunch script? (it's basically receive DeviceActivated dbus from NM then iwconfig power, and then depending on system activity, two different iwconfig commands Mar 01 10:25:36 not sure how much you've looked ati t Mar 01 10:25:54 In all honesty, I wouldn't know :/. Powerlaunch's docs on dbus are a little lacking... Mar 01 10:26:20 k Mar 01 10:27:40 urgleburgle Mar 01 10:28:11 sts: should my network manager be 'kept back' by apt? Mar 01 10:28:40 are we speaking of NM? Mar 01 10:28:54 just asking Mar 01 10:29:11 well, kept back normally means the new package's dependancies can't be satisfied or something Mar 01 10:29:20 and i hope ubuntu didn't mess up something :P Mar 01 10:30:04 * timeless wonders if alarmd ever got fixed Mar 01 10:30:22 err Mar 01 10:30:36 wtf does hildon-theme-cacher get run from post* ? Mar 01 10:30:43 Stskeeps, ubuntu not messing up? impossible! Mar 01 10:31:13 AStorm: i think there is some law stating a linux distribution will at any given moment destroy your system or preserve it Mar 01 10:31:21 The following packages have been kept back: Mar 01 10:31:28 actually, that's always true Mar 01 10:31:32 this "law" is a tautology Mar 01 10:31:38 dmse esound-clients network-manager-gnome osso-wlan tracker xkb-data Mar 01 10:32:00 AStorm: hehe, yeah :P Mar 01 10:32:17 timeless: true, on a frankenmer it will possibly cause issues :P Mar 01 10:32:29 nmg wants libnm-glib0 (>= 0.7.1~ v. 0.7-0ubuntu1) Mar 01 10:33:15 timeless: apt-get upgrade or apt-get dist-upgrade ? Mar 01 10:33:29 i typically only do upgrade Mar 01 10:34:02 timeless: i'm still surprised a mer+maemo combination doesn't fall apart more often Mar 01 10:34:20 something is going right :) Mar 01 10:34:26 btw guys, why don't we improve wicd? Mar 01 10:34:42 timeless: with only "upgrade", no new packages are installed or installed packages removed Mar 01 10:35:05 ah, i actually didn't know that Mar 01 10:35:52 it's even on the manpage (I just checked it ;) Mar 01 10:36:14 ok, w/ dist-upgrade, i'm now only pinned to dsme, nmg and tracker Mar 01 10:36:53 upgrading tracker will remove libgmime-2.0-2a and give me libgmime-2.0-2 instead Mar 01 10:37:15 yeah, get rid of tracker Mar 01 10:37:18 it breaks currently afaik Mar 01 10:37:28 just uninstall it? Mar 01 10:37:29 i had to remove it from the images atm Mar 01 10:37:30 yeah Mar 01 10:38:08 ok, so just dsme and nmg Mar 01 10:38:49 can i get someone to sacrifice 10-60mins of sanity? :) Mar 01 10:38:59 of? Mar 01 10:39:17 trying gizmo ;-) Mar 01 10:40:05 i'm personally looking forward to the moment i can click .install/.deb for Gizmo & Skype in Mer/n8x0 Mar 01 10:40:19 as they are available from their own homepages Mar 01 10:40:21 depends on what? Mar 01 10:40:27 uh, no, thank you Mar 01 10:40:33 behind NAT myself Mar 01 10:40:33 they're in a repo Mar 01 10:40:42 i grabbed the files using apt... Mar 01 10:40:52 can gizmo iconify in upper panel like xchat or pidgin? Mar 01 10:41:28 http://gizmo5.com/pc/download/#nokia Mar 01 10:41:28 * timeless doesn't think so Mar 01 10:41:57 hahlo_n800-43-7, no, but rtcomm does. Mar 01 10:41:58 yes i haven't find settings to do that Mar 01 10:42:05 ok Mar 01 10:42:23 gizmo and fring would be nice otherwise Mar 01 10:42:34 Evil, evil Fring. Mar 01 10:42:40 Those developers should be drawn and quartered. Mar 01 10:42:49 why? Mar 01 10:43:08 SDK repo in a .install. Mar 01 10:43:37 ah Mar 01 10:43:58 um Mar 01 10:44:10 the url you gave me tried to send me WinGizmoInstall.exe Mar 01 10:44:10 I concur. Mar 01 10:44:18 i'd rather draw and quarter them for that Mar 01 10:44:34 timeless, on Mer in Midori? Mar 01 10:44:45 Chrome - wXP Mar 01 10:44:56 timeless: yeah, it happened to me in firefox too Mar 01 10:44:58 just cancel it Mar 01 10:45:24 sts: so, can you try my zip and tell me how gizmo feels? Mar 01 10:45:29 Yeah, the autodetection/autodownload is obnoxious. Mar 01 10:45:35 But most users probably appreciate it. Mar 01 10:45:37 timeless: i actually don't run gizmo :(' Mar 01 10:45:41 skype i do Mar 01 10:45:45 Who would run Gizmo? Mar 01 10:45:54 rtcomm all the way. ;) Mar 01 10:45:58 sts: i've translated skype too :) Mar 01 10:46:00 testing wanted Mar 01 10:46:18 GeneralAntilles: ui is still closed for contacts etc i guess Mar 01 10:46:23 keep in mind, that in general, you can't go back to Nokia translations ;-) Mar 01 10:46:37 timeless: i have a n800 at work i can use for experiments Mar 01 10:47:03 alright... lemme know :) Mar 01 10:47:28 i actually at some point need to make a change list Mar 01 10:47:36 to explain to the internals why their strings are so bad Mar 01 10:48:26 s/nonsense/English/g Mar 01 10:48:28 Just hand 'em that. Mar 01 10:48:41 * timeless tried that Mar 01 10:48:45 it didn't work Mar 01 10:49:02 Alternatively burn it into a 2x4 and beat them about the head and shoulders with it. Mar 01 10:49:25 so... i still need a solution to the 'uninstall' requirement Mar 01 10:49:33 would you object to my packages refusing to uninstall? Mar 01 10:49:53 dpkg-divert is too evil? Mar 01 10:50:08 i could make the initial meta package installer include an annoying "license" "this package can not be uninstalled" Mar 01 10:50:22 timeless: radical solution: your own locale name Mar 01 10:50:25 dpkg-divert is a royal pain and m-vo doesn't think it's appropriate Mar 01 10:50:27 will install alongside Mar 01 10:50:38 timeless, but it works though... Mar 01 10:50:42 sts: it'd break all apps i don't localize Mar 01 10:50:49 that's true Mar 01 10:50:54 that's not ok. Mar 01 10:51:21 (English: that isn't acceptable) Mar 01 10:54:05 it's really down to dpkg-divert or to mv'ing thing to .OLD and moving them back on rm Mar 01 10:54:12 to make it a sane solution Mar 01 10:54:36 if someone writes code that can automatically do this for each package Mar 01 10:54:43 w/o requiring any maintenance, that's fine Mar 01 10:54:46 i'll include it Mar 01 10:55:05 but it as to work for an arbitrary locale and an arbitrary package Mar 01 10:55:37 (i.e. ~4 common lines which magically work no matter into which localization package i dump it) Mar 01 10:55:47 Are there any apps to download/cache web pages? ie. sync in the morning before going out then spend the day reading news & articles. Mar 01 10:56:02 (2 lines, one for preinst and one for postinst would be better) Mar 01 10:56:17 timeless: your own debhelper extension maybe.. Mar 01 10:56:39 sts: i have a package all of my locale packages define Mar 01 10:56:48 so it's not a problem to stick a shell script into that Mar 01 10:57:09 mm Mar 01 10:57:11 i'd rather it be figured out at install time instead of at build time Mar 01 10:58:14 Packaging, for all the benefits it's supposed to bring, is far too often just a pain in the ass. Mar 01 10:58:16 * rmt discovered a reasonably priced source of the N810 in Italy.. €250 with shipping.. I think this particular website must go out of its way to not be found by google. Mar 01 10:58:33 heh Mar 01 10:58:36 qwerty12_N800: http://internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=27219 Mar 01 10:58:42 you up for hacking? i mean, we have Mer x86.. Mar 01 11:00:04 it should be fairly trivial to do Mar 01 11:00:04 What's the point? Mar 01 11:00:04 GeneralAntilles: geekiness Mar 01 11:00:04 Fairly trivial and fairly pointless. :P Mar 01 11:00:04 GeneralAntilles: i could see a benefit if it enacted some kind of symbiosis personally, but yeah Mar 01 11:00:06 Stskeeps: trivial for you perhaps :) Mar 01 11:00:08 PC as a docking station for tablet Mar 01 11:00:22 Is it just me, or do maemo-qt applications all seem to have overly large taskbar icons? Mar 01 11:00:28 qwerty12_N800: Making_x86_mer_bootable + image file exported over usb storage maybe Mar 01 11:01:14 * Stskeeps starts generating 0.9 test images Mar 01 11:02:30 http://www.rantrave.com/Rant/Who-Knew-Bush-Was-a-Democrat.aspx Mar 01 11:02:58 qwerty/sts: so, either of you willing to write this helper script? :) Mar 01 11:03:46 timeless, they're all scum whose ultimate goal is to screw everybody else over. ;) Mar 01 11:04:03 speaking of which, are you running for office? Mar 01 11:04:08 ;^) Mar 01 11:04:14 timeless: and the effect would basically be moving away the old .mo replace it with our installed, for any package it's in Mar 01 11:04:18 I usually drive. Mar 01 11:04:23 * Stskeeps isn't, crap at community stuf Mar 01 11:04:24 f Mar 01 11:04:36 sts: yep Mar 01 11:04:50 preferably not including the same localization package ;-) Mar 01 11:05:08 My own personal goal is to screw qwerty12_N800 over. :P Mar 01 11:05:23 qwerty12_N800 for council chair Mar 01 11:05:24 ;P Mar 01 11:05:33 that'd do it ;-) Mar 01 11:05:44 Aww, see how much GeneralAntilles likes me? :p Mar 01 11:06:11 http://www.geekologie.com/2008/02/26/human-chairs.jpg Mar 01 11:06:58 Why am I reminded of $100 & infobot... Mar 01 11:08:27 * Stskeeps tries to understand if there is at all any sense in the powerlaunch language Mar 01 11:09:18 Awful lot of work for something exactly 3 people can manage to use. ;0 Mar 01 11:09:23 s/0/)/ Mar 01 11:09:24 GeneralAntilles meant: Awful lot of work for something exactly 3 people can manage to use. ;) Mar 01 11:10:13 it's basically a state machine language as far as i can see :P Mar 01 11:10:28 so, in my mer, there are 7 packages doing divergences, dash, vim, dictionaries, screen, theme-fixes?, lcars-sounds (19!) and lcars-complete Mar 01 11:11:31 sounds normal Mar 01 11:11:37 dpkg-divert is good until it comes to deal with docpurge Mar 01 11:11:53 what happens? Mar 01 11:12:08 dpkg-divert fails when diverting docs, as they don't exist cos docpurge removed them :P Mar 01 11:12:15 and breaks package installation Mar 01 11:12:49 isn't that a missing set -e or exit 0 or something? Mar 01 11:13:10 more like dpkg-divert treats a missing file to divert as an error, which makes sense Mar 01 11:13:58 but it returns non-zero which is what i think timeless is saying Mar 01 11:15:11 true Mar 01 11:15:46 GeneralAntilles: Austin, me, and... you? Mar 01 11:16:11 (Can use powerlaunch language, that is) Mar 01 11:17:22 benson, definitely not me. ;) Mar 01 11:18:17 * GeneralAntilles isn't sure what's more irritating automated linux-omap membership spam or human-generated membership spam. Mar 01 11:19:26 happy mailman day to you too Mar 01 11:22:09 suihk: to you too Mar 01 11:49:28 GeneralAntilles: hmm... I wonder if Maemo-Upgrade-Description shouldn't be in control, it should be in changelog... Mar 01 11:49:48 * GeneralAntilles shrugs. Mar 01 11:49:55 Not a fun patch to implement at this point. ;) Mar 01 11:50:52 meh - if you want people to use them then they need to be easy to use - I update changelog for each revision, not control... just thoughts... Mar 01 11:51:19 * Stskeeps 's with lbt on that one Mar 01 12:00:53 The problem with the changelog, though, is that it's often not end-user appropriate. Mar 01 12:01:06 it really ought to be though Mar 01 12:01:41 GeneralAntilles: or maybe have a part of it which is Maemo-upgrade-description: headered Mar 01 12:02:04 I'd like to see decently formated package information in h-a-m Mar 01 12:02:11 It's all rather nasty as it stands. Mar 01 12:02:15 hard-wrapped descriptions Mar 01 12:02:18 ugly package names Mar 01 12:02:22 ugly version strings Mar 01 12:03:07 what do you think then, html+css formatted changelogs? Mar 01 12:03:29 What would be the point of CSS? Mar 01 12:03:40 HTML doesn't sound unreasonable. Mar 01 12:03:58 http://wiki.maemo.org/Image:Application-view-mockup.png Mar 01 12:03:59 because your idea of style doesnt match mine :P Mar 01 12:04:19 lcuk, package managers aren't the place to go nuts with the individual creativity. Mar 01 12:04:26 Package managers are the place to be consistant. Mar 01 12:04:32 * GeneralAntilles would like to see a packaging style guide. Mar 01 12:05:05 yes, normal debian styling is fine for apps. the app-store errr h-a-m should take that formatting and do the best it can Mar 01 12:05:40 Is there a pretty package management solution on desktop Linux or do they just put up with shitty looking hard-wrapped descriptions and nasty package names? Mar 01 12:05:45 it should also where possible use the html descriptions from downloads/maemo Mar 01 12:05:56 ^ Mar 01 12:06:06 That's just more work for maintainers Mar 01 12:06:09 ie if there is a matching pretty version Mar 01 12:06:14 not really, they do that already Mar 01 12:06:18 I'd rather see Downloads and h-a-m using pretty descriptions from the package. Mar 01 12:06:23 GeneralAntilles, there is, synaptics I guess Mar 01 12:06:28 *synaptic Mar 01 12:06:44 other than that, who sane uses graphical tools for package management anyway? Mar 01 12:06:54 ;) Mar 01 12:07:01 Doesn't look particularly pretty. Mar 01 12:07:07 AStorm, users. ;) Mar 01 12:07:18 lowercase-only hyphenated package names. Mar 01 12:07:51 well, can't do better, descriptions are fairly bad too Mar 01 12:08:05 non-descriptive that is Mar 01 12:08:30 Users don't like ugly things, no matter how functional they are. Mar 01 12:08:53 There must be somebody out there considering style. Mar 01 12:09:07 ubuntu. Mar 01 12:09:56 Also Synaptic, no? Mar 01 12:10:03 yep Mar 01 12:10:58 What's a good solution here? Mar 01 12:11:07 Adding more Maemo-specific fields to the control file Mar 01 12:11:11 or fetching something from the web? Mar 01 12:11:20 metaindex on repository i'd say Mar 01 12:11:59 Compiled and edited how? Mar 01 12:12:03 Through Downloads? Mar 01 12:12:27 re: descriptiosn, how is packages.debian.org do ? http://packages.debian.org/sid/synaptic Mar 01 12:12:41 s,is,does, Mar 01 12:14:42 hi Mar 01 12:15:06 I have problem: my application is closed after a few seconds after it is started Mar 01 12:15:28 looks like there's something wrong with dbus service name or something Mar 01 12:15:34 Anyway, moving forward, I don't want to end up having to be compared unfavorable to Apple and Google's pretty application listings complete with tidy little screenshots and ratings. ;) Mar 01 12:15:53 igagis1: it's been osso_initalized correctly? Mar 01 12:15:53 but I checked, everything looks right, don't know where's the problem... ^-( Mar 01 12:16:09 yes, it looks correct Mar 01 12:17:15 just a minute, I'll try posting my .service and .desktop files Mar 01 12:19:36 here they are: http://pastebin.com/m4f5dca32 Mar 01 12:21:12 the first time app launches and closes after few seconds and all cubsequent times the app doesn't launch at all Mar 01 12:21:23 subsequent* Mar 01 12:22:02 I thought it should always be false? but it's been a while since I looked at libosso docs. But "theremin" in your osso_initalize assumes com.nokia.theremin afaik. it should be your full dbus service name Mar 01 12:22:24 sorry, GeneralAntilles Stskeeps .. got caught in a problem... Mar 01 12:22:29 ok, I'll try that, thanks for the idea Mar 01 12:22:53 I actually meant to include Maemo-Upgrade-Description in the changelog Mar 01 12:23:30 either on a per line basis Mar 01 12:23:44 or on a 'include after this' basis Mar 01 12:24:27 and since it's new... just User-Upgrade-Description is fine: Mar 01 12:24:47 lbt, maybe hit -developers Mar 01 12:24:50 m-vo may have some input Mar 01 12:26:48 http://pastebin.com/d54606c36 Mar 01 12:27:00 Most of that is *not* for end users Mar 01 12:27:51 as for HTML - I say *NO* :) Mar 01 12:28:55 Not for the changelog Mar 01 12:28:58 But for the description Mar 01 12:29:03 The hardwrapping's gotta go, anyway. Mar 01 12:30:32 changelog is a good place to put a breif user comment maybe including a link. The use of * to mark a para start is well understood Mar 01 12:30:52 Including a link would be easy Mar 01 12:31:33 But this may be shown in a variety of places and txt is the most portable Mar 01 12:32:19 qwerty12_N800: here are the docs for osso_initialize: http://maemo.org/api_refs/3.0/libosso/group__Init.html#ga1 , its description is not very clear about that only com.nokia.... works with short app name. But anyway, I changed it to full dbus service name and now it works, Thanks for help! Mar 01 12:33:41 igagis: you should look at the 4.1 version, those are for OS2007 :) (I guess a lot hasn't changed in libosso but best to stay current :)) Mar 01 12:42:54 * igagis1 has just uploaded the relatively stable .deb release of theremin app: https://garage.maemo.org/projects/theremin/ Mar 01 12:47:37 igagis, :( wont install Mar 01 12:49:43 lcuk: :-( Mar 01 12:49:43 must be some issues with dependancies? Mar 01 12:49:43 i like instruments, have you played with boxar? Mar 01 12:49:43 yeah im just seeing now Mar 01 12:49:43 yes I did Mar 01 12:49:43 ive been doing lots of nice graphical stuff and think a strumming guitar style can work (i keep strumming my kinetic calendar and thinking it needs music with it Mar 01 12:49:43 sound produced by boxar is somewhat metallic Mar 01 12:50:22 lcuk: let me know if you come up with some idea why it does not install on your tablet. Mar 01 12:50:58 libcairomm libglibmm libgtkmm libhildon-fmmm libhildonmm libsigc++ Mar 01 12:50:59 guitar does not look possible on N810 because there is no multitouch, don't know how to finger chords Mar 01 12:51:23 yes, these are required libs Mar 01 12:51:24 why finger chords, if it gets into place ill show you :) Mar 01 12:51:37 ok ;-) Mar 01 12:52:02 you can only strum with one plectrum at once :P Mar 01 12:52:16 so, you try to install the deb and it does not know where to get libcairomm etc.? Mar 01 12:52:18 and you can just strum different locations for things Mar 01 12:52:21 yeah Mar 01 12:52:36 ive got the usual suspects Mar 01 12:53:14 * lcuk puts down his wm stuff for a bit Mar 01 12:53:45 igagis1: app manager will only install dependencies if you are installing your program from a repository Mar 01 12:53:46 lcuk: a workaround would be to do 'apt-get install maemo-cplusplus-device-env' Mar 01 12:54:02 qwerty12_N800: yes, I understand that Mar 01 12:54:40 :) Mar 01 12:54:52 qwerty12_N800, what about if i apt-get it from the .deb, same effect? Mar 01 12:55:24 * lcuk personally doesnt want all this c++ stuff poluting his machine anyway :P Mar 01 12:55:45 lcuk, lol? Mar 01 12:55:52 :-) Mar 01 12:55:59 lcuk: hmm? you can't apt-get install a deb. a dodgy workaround is dpkg -i deb ; apt-get -f install Mar 01 12:56:14 :D just what i need, a dodgy path Mar 01 12:56:43 i keep telling you qwerty, i am a n00b with linux stuff, its all handwaving, im still used to msi packages and stuff Mar 01 12:58:53 msi's suck :p Mar 01 12:58:53 :O 25mb to install maemo-cplusplus-device-env Mar 01 12:59:31 ive got no hope of that, i couldnt copy a 15mb image yesterday Mar 01 12:59:31 better off installing the individual libs it needs via the "method" Mar 01 12:59:31 Guitar could use N810 or bluetooth keyboard for frets, touchscreen for strumming. Mar 01 12:59:54 Or hook up a GH controller for one-string frets... Mar 01 12:59:59 25mb, that's a lot, I did not think about it actually :-) just installed it. I think the .so libs itself libcairomm libglibmm libgtkmm libhildon-fmmm libhildonmm libsigc++ would weigh much less, supose there are lots of other stuff in maemo-cplusplus-device-env Mar 01 13:00:06 or it could possibly use some variation on the multitouch Mar 01 13:00:21 benson, no, it's the feedback that matters Mar 01 13:00:30 nothing that doesn't have actual strings will do Mar 01 13:00:54 astorm, its a wonderful feeling with full kinetic and rapid updates Mar 01 13:01:02 lcuk, gimme! Mar 01 13:01:03 * lcuk had a tune in his head and everything Mar 01 13:01:45 as you know ive got a few things to sort out, ive abandoned one thing because i dont think i need it any more Mar 01 13:02:21 AStorm: I've seen force-feedback devices that can do a pretty good imitation of picking an actual string, without an actual string. Mar 01 13:03:06 derf, but how do you hit a nonexistent object? ;P Mar 01 13:03:19 It's force-feedback. Mar 01 13:03:39 too late, I missed the string/fret Mar 01 13:03:43 The entire _point_ of the device is hitting non-existent objects. Mar 01 13:04:10 and the trick is that you can do much more with an actual string Mar 01 13:04:18 astorm, also if all you are doing is moving columns using strumming motion and getting a feedback sound in line with what you are doing its all good Mar 01 13:04:54 does the 810 keyboard do chording? Mar 01 13:05:35 The buttons on the N810 keyboard are as hard or harder to press than the N800's dpad. Mar 01 13:06:00 yeah Mar 01 13:06:41 althoguh I did beat OpenTyrian with it Mar 01 13:07:50 my left thumb got sore though Mar 01 13:08:06 dpad could use a better design Mar 01 13:08:57 it appears as though it does, but x11 sends multiple down/up combos Mar 01 13:09:43 bbl Mar 01 13:23:15 morning kozak Mar 01 13:24:55 lcuk: I come up with 3Mb solution to C++ libs instead of 25 mb Mar 01 13:25:06 apt-get install libcairomm-1.0-1 libglibmm-2.4-1c2a libgtkmm-2.4-1c2a libhildon-fmmm libhildonmm libsigc++-2.0-0c2a Mar 01 13:25:13 :-) Mar 01 13:26:35 hi Mar 01 13:26:46 hi Mar 01 13:29:43 what's the status of qt integration in maemo (i heard that since nokia bought qt, there were plans to make maemo more qt-based) ? Mar 01 13:31:08 Evening Stskeeps! Mar 01 13:32:50 KayDeeEeJon: Qt4.4 is available as a runtime - 4.5 is in rc Mar 01 13:33:43 however most of the heathens around here don't appreciate a good framework ;) Mar 01 13:34:04 * Stskeeps would still like to see if qt-maemo runs sanely on mer. Mar 01 13:35:57 lol Mar 01 13:35:58 thx Mar 01 13:37:03 KayDeeEeJon: think official support comes in Harmattan (not next version but next again) Mar 01 13:37:30 ok thx Mar 01 13:37:54 Stskeeps: what do you need to try that? Mar 01 13:37:55 is any successor to the N810 on the way? Mar 01 13:38:26 lbt: i think compiling it on the vmdk should do the trick really Mar 01 13:38:48 (i just havent done it but would love someone experiment) Mar 01 13:41:58 igagis, fair enough, trying now :) Mar 01 13:44:40 igagis, impressive! the columns are about the same size as the ones i was kineticing Mar 01 13:45:46 qwerty12_N800: btw, apt works fine on x86 Mar 01 13:48:31 hrm, do i need /usr/bin/dbus-daemon ? Mar 01 13:49:04 lcuk: you can press the Esc button and there will be options (also accessible from app menu) and there you can set the mode of 1, 2 or 3 octaves on the screen Mar 01 13:49:17 nice, maemolauncher died (itdidn't like gtkhtml) Mar 01 13:49:36 timeless: yeah, fairly, most OSSO communication dies without :P Mar 01 13:49:57 so, why would i be missing it? :) Mar 01 13:50:06 lcuk: also you can change tuning by arrow keys Mar 01 13:50:10 timeless: hmm. Mar 01 13:50:34 igagis, quick, simple, effective :) i like it, only thing, esc takes people back - have enter? or dpad centre? bringing up options dialog? Mar 01 13:51:18 i only have dbus-{launch,monitor,send} Mar 01 13:51:41 timeless: ah, i think it's in /bin/dbus-daemon for some disturbed reason Mar 01 13:51:43 not entirely sure why Mar 01 13:52:07 lcuk: well It is possible to make enter bring options instead of esc, but there is nowhere to get back from the app, but never the less, I can do enter key to open options also Mar 01 13:52:09 i have something which on startup is looking fof /usr/bin/.... Mar 01 13:52:15 i do have /bin/... Mar 01 13:53:04 igagis, im getting used to a single key to go back and escape has naturally always been "get me out of here". i am confused when people use it to go forwards Mar 01 13:53:36 ok, I might close the app by pressing the esc key, is that the behavior you expect by esc key? Mar 01 13:53:36 /etc/osso/af-init/dbus-sessionbus.sh looks for /usr/bin/dbus-daemon Mar 01 13:54:06 Stskeeps: Mer is on my list Mar 01 13:54:07 i have osso-af-startup 1.74-1 Mar 01 13:54:24 igagis, yes, but dont have your closing yet (unless you want). have a look at liqbase to see why i say what i do :) Mar 01 13:54:43 sts: this seems to be the problem... Mar 01 13:54:46 lcuk: ok, I'll have a look Mar 01 13:55:05 http://www.youtube.com/user/lcukmaemo Mar 01 13:55:43 guys, offtopic, a wobbling screen http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZoaqA9KV2pA on my nokia n810 Mar 01 13:56:27 geoaxis: do you have 48mhz kernel installed or rotation? Mar 01 13:56:39 timeless: yeah, the /bin thing is an error i think Mar 01 13:57:05 Stskeeps: i just bought mine 2 weeks ago, its vanilla Mar 01 13:57:17 geoaxis: newest diablo update? Mar 01 13:57:18 the screen is portion is physically damaged ..its loose Mar 01 13:57:20 geoaxis, wtf? can i have a few seconds of my life back. its a drawer mechanism, there is a small amount of give in every similar mechanism? Mar 01 13:57:21 ah Mar 01 13:57:45 lcuk :) Mar 01 13:57:53 so its like that Mar 01 13:57:54 what lcuk said Mar 01 13:57:55 * lcuk posts videos about his kitchen drawers wobbling Mar 01 13:58:38 * geoaxis is laughing at himself Mar 01 13:58:47 well i got very touchy about my new toy ... Mar 01 13:58:49 :D can we say "fixed in n800" Mar 01 13:59:11 thought i had broken it like my other toys Mar 01 13:59:12 no, sadly most people call it a regression Mar 01 13:59:21 'my n800 didn't wobble' Mar 01 13:59:21 lol Mar 01 13:59:34 really? did it extend? well no, now that you mention it, it didn't Mar 01 14:00:13 if anything is wrong with the build on the 810 its the battery cover and assoc. unit. its flimsy doesnt fit like most other phone backs and the battery falls out Mar 01 14:00:42 hey, is it a phone? :) Mar 01 14:00:59 (but yeah, it's true, the back's a bit odd) Mar 01 14:01:03 no, but you would expect some communication between the other departments :P Mar 01 14:01:11 i work here! Mar 01 14:01:18 i know! Mar 01 14:01:24 fixed in fremantle? Mar 01 14:01:57 * timeless actually took a video of the device opening a few months ago Mar 01 14:02:14 let's pretend "opening" could mean "booting" or "extending" or something totally unrelated Mar 01 14:02:32 (like showing 'opning' when applications start...) Mar 01 14:02:55 ? transformersesq hardware morphing to open apps? Mar 01 14:03:24 lcuk: which lends to the thought that RX-51, will, indeed, take over the world Mar 01 14:03:29 but not as we originally thought. Mar 01 14:03:30 opening a browser flips down additional screens and an outer dpad (much to roopes chargrin) Mar 01 14:03:58 * timeless shrugs Mar 01 14:04:13 opening the camera app unveils a full flash unit and old fashioned hood Mar 01 14:04:22 Hi. Mar 01 14:04:49 igagis, is this using gtkmm for the sound? Mar 01 14:05:45 sts: do you have /etc/osso-af-init/matchbox.defs? Mar 01 14:05:48 lcuk: no it uses ALSA Mar 01 14:06:13 * igagis1 looking at liqbase Mar 01 14:06:47 :) Mar 01 14:06:51 timeless: nop, we have scrapped osso-af-init :P Mar 01 14:08:10 really? Mar 01 14:15:00 * timeless puzzles Mar 01 14:15:06 why do people file bugs about about:config? Mar 01 14:16:37 cos htey want to use it Mar 01 14:16:39 they Mar 01 14:16:55 and it takes about a fortnight to come up :P Mar 01 14:16:55 timeless: yeah, but some of it may be good Mar 01 14:17:27 sts: what replaces it? Mar 01 14:18:54 timeless: well, it's a work in progress, but the inexistence of it is from that we want to see hildon as a typical session (just like GNOME, KDE, FVWM, etc), not the entire OS Mar 01 14:19:03 osso-af-init is .. a mess, to say th eleast :P Mar 01 14:25:11 morning VDVsx Mar 01 14:25:29 hello Stskeeps :) Mar 01 14:26:26 * Stskeeps tries to strip down mer in memory a little bit Mar 01 14:26:44 noticed auto-startx keeps a bash active, heh Mar 01 14:26:47 1.0% memory. lovely. Mar 01 14:27:45 it doesnt exec the last part? Mar 01 14:28:09 basically the su - line was written in a weird way Mar 01 14:39:28 VDVsx: i wonder if it would be possible to make a wide range of hildon-desktop replacements, and maybe still keep the applet API and such Mar 01 14:42:44 Stskeeps, like redesign the hildon desktop or change the hildon desktop for something else , keeping some elements ? Mar 01 14:43:47 VDVsx: well, QTablet as an example - hildon-desktop is already quite flexible if you look closely enough, but if there was a skeleton to build on top of that still exported the same API elements it would be trivial to create different hildon desktops :P Mar 01 14:45:07 Stskeeps, yup, like QTablet (a framework), I think is possible, but sould be a lot of works Mar 01 14:45:11 yeah Mar 01 14:45:33 but is a very good idea :) Mar 01 14:47:11 if you use hildon as a base, perhaps will reduce the a lot the work needed Mar 01 14:51:28 Stskeeps, perhaps the ubuntu MID interface can help here, it claims to be very customizable, and use hildon Mar 01 14:56:03 VDVsx: we are slowly including the h-d patches from ubuntu though Mar 01 14:56:42 hey all, i am going to try ask again : does anyone here sync GPE without ssh? Mar 01 15:53:41 wb qwerty12 Mar 01 15:54:03 hi Mar 01 16:05:58 all hi Mar 01 16:06:00 all hi Mar 01 16:07:13 i am using GPE calender ppl Mar 01 16:07:43 ~ping Mar 01 16:09:41 but memo to legister on GPE dont come me to email Mar 01 16:10:49 ~pong Mar 01 16:12:56 To legister it on google webpqge come me well to email Mar 01 16:13:45 i dont know well Mar 01 16:14:59 what is name of n800 battery Mar 01 16:15:08 bp-5l or something, or -4l Mar 01 16:15:10 cannot remember Mar 01 16:15:33 thank you Mar 01 16:15:42 BP-5L, yes. Mar 01 16:15:55 Stskeeps, hi. i'm trying to get wifi work but get ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODEEXT]: Operation not supported. any ideas? Mar 01 16:16:34 slonopotamus: which cx3110x do you employ? Mar 01 16:17:22 slonopotamus: btw i have a xomap that works with modern headers Mar 01 16:17:33 Stskeeps, during wpa_supplicant connection. using cx3110x 2.0.15 driver. Mar 01 16:17:41 ok, so straight from source 2.0.15 Mar 01 16:17:44 you need two patches Mar 01 16:18:19 Stskeeps, what's 'modern headers'? you're updating kernel? Mar 01 16:18:30 slonopotamus: no, modern X11 headers Mar 01 16:18:54 Stskeeps, then what's 'modern'? Mar 01 16:19:03 Stskeeps, i'm on 1.3 Mar 01 16:19:37 slonopotamus: whatever isn't back in the 2005s ;) Mar 01 16:20:52 Stskeeps, i didn't see any patches on r.t.o Mar 01 16:21:22 slonopotamus: yeah, trying to find it, sec Mar 01 16:23:13 and wpa_supplicant sais it associated and immediately got 'dissasciate trap' Mar 01 16:27:50 Stskeeps, you started using own umac.ko? Mar 01 16:28:51 discard my previous message Mar 01 16:29:49 slonopotamus: http://dev.openbossa.org/mamona/gitweb?p=mamona.git;a=tree;f=packages/mamona/cx3110x-diablo-2.0.15;h=72b1e0ceedf1be63b6af7f5a948d3657746a0010;hb=HEAD , these patches plus http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/cx3110.txt (not a patch) Mar 01 16:30:08 that's the equivalent of mer cx3110x Mar 01 16:31:34 Stskeeps, do you have source package? Mar 01 16:32:36 i think the one on cx3110x-module on r.m.t.o should be accurate Mar 01 16:32:49 check if the latest patch is in it Mar 01 16:32:56 Stskeeps, cx3110x-module-src? Mar 01 16:33:11 Stskeeps, i built from it Mar 01 16:33:18 hmm. Mar 01 16:34:15 fair enough, not accurate then Mar 01 16:34:16 sec Mar 01 16:34:41 ahha Mar 01 16:35:06 it doesn't have your patch-that-is-not-a-patch Mar 01 16:35:17 yeah Mar 01 16:35:49 Stskeeps, you're building unrebuildable distro :) Mar 01 16:36:10 those specific packages are touchy, as i said :P Mar 01 16:36:20 Stskeeps, is already any tarball made for mer 0.9 ? Mar 01 16:36:35 igagis, did you have a look Mar 01 16:36:45 oh. you get 0.9 this weekend? Mar 01 16:37:14 VDVsx: yeah, want one? Mar 01 16:37:20 slonopotamus: tomorrow, but generating one today Mar 01 16:37:33 yup, I'm doing a fresh install, just point me the link :) Mar 01 16:38:26 Stskeeps, if it is in the same usual place, don't need the link :) Mar 01 16:39:15 VDVsx: nah, it's not yet Mar 01 16:39:17 slonopotamus: http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/nit2/f/deblet-cx3110x.patch Mar 01 16:41:58 that is definately the patch :P Mar 01 16:42:02 Stskeeps, could you generate it with diff -u -r, please? Mar 01 16:42:20 it is a diff -u -r patch Mar 01 16:45:03 b-man: can you push a 0.9 update to the bzr btw? Mar 01 16:45:15 shure :) Mar 01 16:45:42 VDVsx, what do you think the chances of mixing up bluemaemo with an alternative backend. i currently use a really simple wifi socket based remote between my 810 and my windows desktop Mar 01 16:45:57 i wrote it last year before starting liqbase and its worked perfectly ever since Mar 01 16:46:09 Stskeeps, applied cleanly :) strange Mar 01 16:46:26 ive seen a few ppl asking for something similar Mar 01 16:46:32 slonopotamus: you did hear about my umac experiments? Mar 01 16:46:37 Stskeeps: as soon as i get done with updating sys-env-base and sys-env-x in the ubuntu-n8x0 repo ;) Mar 01 16:46:44 Stskeeps, think it's worth making the mmap.patch a quilt managed one? Mar 01 16:46:53 Stskeeps, nope Mar 01 16:47:04 had a fuew dependence issues) Mar 01 16:47:26 slonopotamus: basically i figured out that it is possible to push umac.ko to higher versions of kernel and i got cx3110x 1.2 (for 770) building for 2.6.28, heh Mar 01 16:47:37 lcuk, you will need a backend different backend for each OS, but can be done Mar 01 16:47:38 b-man: alright, but ideally within 12 hours :P Mar 01 16:47:49 ok :) Mar 01 16:48:15 it won't take that long :) Mar 01 16:48:19 lcuk, windows programming is a mystery for me :) Mar 01 16:48:19 Stskeeps, well, i'm not interested in 770 at least because i don't have it :) Mar 01 16:48:22 hehe Mar 01 16:48:25 VDVsx, from the bluemaemo perpective, it could just have alternatives BT/wifi - most socket ops are standard Mar 01 16:48:39 slonopotamus: 770 would be a good target for gentoo, not from compiling POV, but for super optimized target :P Mar 01 16:49:06 lol i cant do windows c, i hate the api. vb is ismple enough Mar 01 16:49:08 simple Mar 01 16:49:31 remote control via smtp! Mar 01 16:49:51 lcuk, but you will need code to eject the events (mouse, keyboard, etc...) Mar 01 16:50:10 bluemaemo use a standart right now, no need for extra code :) Mar 01 16:50:17 yeah - technically its a VNC server you want to talk to Mar 01 16:50:31 just ignore recv of the screen Mar 01 16:50:57 testing bluemaemo as keyboard for my pc right now Mar 01 16:50:59 mmm, that would probably work Mar 01 16:51:00 hmm Mar 01 16:51:16 Jaffa, did you ever get anywhere with ArcEm btw? (I'm feeling slightly nostalgic :)) Mar 01 16:51:18 Stskeeps, i have what i have :) and, for example, gentoo-on-n8x0 won't be able to use n810 kb until someone with n810 will join. simply because i can't test whether it works Mar 01 16:51:19 since vnc is ported to lots of systems and uses standard things Mar 01 16:51:33 it seems a bit confused about symbols... Mar 01 16:51:57 t_s_o, only US-EN at this time Mar 01 16:51:58 * slonopotamus gone cooking dinner :) Mar 01 16:52:02 guess its a effect of mismatched layouts Mar 01 16:52:10 VDVsx, im just pondering outloud, ive heard lots of nice things about BM (though i dont use bluetooth for anything) Mar 01 16:52:14 slonopotamus: yeah, i had same issue Mar 01 16:52:16 ah, bingo Mar 01 16:52:47 it was almost silly easy to set up ones i upgraded to bluez4 at the pc end ;) Mar 01 16:52:55 anybody have time/will to hack gentoo on n810? :) Mar 01 16:52:58 Hi, i'm trying to develop a status bar plugin following the documention on maemo.org... Mar 01 16:53:05 but that keyboard takes a bit getting used to, i find the keys a bit small... Mar 01 16:53:14 ..but the documentation says to run "pkg-config osso-af-settings --variable=hildondesktoplibdir" to automatically obtain the right place where to put the lib.. Mar 01 16:53:57 and the location should be something like /usr/share/application/hildon-status-bar but the following command return the right place where to put the .desktop file for a desktop plugin and not where to put the lib of a statusbar plugin Mar 01 16:54:07 t_s_o, the VKB ? Mar 01 16:54:14 yep Mar 01 16:54:19 how can I obtain the right place ? Mar 01 16:54:47 t_s_o, the hildon VKB have smaller keys :) Mar 01 16:55:44 the full screen one? Mar 01 16:56:32 no :) Mar 01 16:56:54 I don't ever use the full screen VKB, I don't know why Mar 01 16:59:01 i use the full screen one as much as possible. i guess thats why the webkit related issues are so noticeable to me ;) Mar 01 16:59:35 i didnt bother trying to use a stylus with the bluemaemo keyboard btw, so that could be why i found it small... Mar 01 17:01:41 17:34 < GreyGhost> is there an official symbian port? Mar 01 17:01:41 17:35 <@Harekiet> we only support girls riding the symbian Mar 01 17:02:59 maybe a lirc plugin Mar 01 17:03:29 t_s_o, If you have a n810 you can also use the HW keyboard ;) Mar 01 17:05:59 no so "fortunate". N800 here Mar 01 17:06:27 pupnik, theres no 'n' in it lol. and i think they have a dual core version now lol Mar 01 17:11:05 hmm, email vs mms, the saga continues... Mar 01 17:11:24 boredom and slashdot comments are a bad combo... Mar 01 17:11:41 depends if you are the poster or not Mar 01 17:14:10 * Stskeeps tries to build qt4-maemo Mar 01 17:20:19 heh, the "Where is Nokia.." thread, 22k views, but not a single thanks to thread starter (frank.wagner) :> Mar 01 17:20:55 Maybe someone will thank him when he writes a post that you can actually understand Mar 01 17:21:12 lol Mar 01 17:21:27 Stskeeps: updated merinstaller for 0.9 :) Mar 01 17:21:37 b-man: ta Mar 01 17:21:58 qwerty12: i think it's actually just stenography sending out confidential nokia information Mar 01 17:22:40 hi, is qt4.garage.maemo.org the best resource to use for getting qt apps running on my n810? Mar 01 17:23:00 * Stskeeps believes so Mar 01 17:23:49 thanks Mar 01 17:24:10 just figured when nokia bought tt qt might be integrated Mar 01 17:24:36 it'll come in harmattan officially :P Mar 01 17:25:01 is that r5? Mar 01 17:25:18 i think Stskeeps gets my #1 hero award atm Mar 01 17:25:38 mbroadst: it's not next release but next again Mar 01 17:25:59 cool, well thanks a lot Stskeeps Mar 01 17:26:14 but the qt part itself is maturing rapidly it seems Mar 01 17:26:19 so g will be skipped like e was? ;P Mar 01 17:26:23 * konttori__ has been working this weekend with fremantle theme support. Also made the debian source package creation to be part of theme maker. Mar 01 17:26:28 mbroadst, next release is fremantle (maemo 5) after that harmattan :) Mar 01 17:26:53 konttori__: woo, :) Mar 01 17:27:18 * konttori__ hasn't yet tested the new source package upload to the maemo.org servers, but that's up next. Mar 01 17:27:24 probably still stuff missing. Mar 01 17:27:42 * konttori__ will test with diablo theme packages, so nothing to see on those tests. Mar 01 17:28:18 * Stskeeps ponders if theme maker would run on top of openjdk on top of mer on tablets Mar 01 17:28:40 Stskeeps: Stenography or steganography? Mar 01 17:28:40 Stskeeps: well, it's really quite easy to just re-write theme maker on python and just use that Mar 01 17:28:43 It looks like shorthand, but any actual Nokia info is obviously concealed, so maybe both. Mar 01 17:29:00 or, just instead to use the nokias own theme tools that are available as well. Mar 01 17:29:00 benson: heheh :> Mar 01 17:29:05 konttori__: probably :) Mar 01 17:29:09 konttori__: still cool if possible :> Mar 01 17:29:30 otoh, the pixmap used in the source image is so big that n810 probably would run out of heap size when handling it Mar 01 17:29:38 hehe Mar 01 17:29:41 (rover theme is 10 000 pixels wide source image) Mar 01 17:30:01 eh. my test theme. Mar 01 17:30:30 yeah.. really looking forward to seeing the ui when time is Mar 01 17:31:01 It will be revelaled in steps, I can tell you only that now. Mar 01 17:31:11 yep Mar 01 17:31:26 but, the first display is already really nice to see. - and should come in the alpha sdk afaik. Mar 01 17:32:09 what was the web based interface to upload source packages to the servers? Mar 01 17:32:09 hehe, hildon-welcome with animated startup screen sounds fun already :P Mar 01 17:32:27 konttori__, https://garage.maemo.org/extras-assistant/index.php Mar 01 17:32:42 umm,,, what is that? (the welcome part) Mar 01 17:32:45 hey qwerty12, guess what just got updated ;) Mar 01 17:32:50 and thanks for the extras assistant Mar 01 17:32:58 why does that require a changes file? Mar 01 17:33:07 konttori__: well there's code laying on stage for playing a media file at startup or something :P Mar 01 17:33:13 * konttori__ needs to add that not to the to-do as well. Mar 01 17:33:18 t_s_o, no idea, but you've got me curious now ;) Mar 01 17:33:27 epdfview :) Mar 01 17:33:54 lol, that actually works for you? I gave up when it segfaulted on my tablet when I pressed down Mar 01 17:33:56 konttori__: (.. probably because the nokia hands logo is exceedingily boring to watch for more then 5 seconds ;) Mar 01 17:34:08 Stskeeps: sounds good. so, now I can have entire season of frasier to show before my tablet starts? Mar 01 17:34:17 something like that, yeah Mar 01 17:34:17 qwerty12: it works, it just depends on the size of the pdf in question ;) Mar 01 17:34:29 or teletubbies episodes Mar 01 17:35:23 t_s_o, the update does sound good. let me see if I can apply the hildonisations to it easily Mar 01 17:35:27 "We don't provide the "easy to program for" console that (developers) want, because "easy to program for" means that anybody will be able to take advantage of pretty much what the hardware can do, so then the question is, what do you do for the rest of the nine-and-a-half years?" -- Sony Computer Entertainment CEO Mar 01 17:35:42 Stskeeps: I would have something like this to start... http://electricsheep.org/index.cgi?&menu=samples Mar 01 17:35:54 the HQ version is just stunning. Mar 01 17:35:59 that is real or a joke, RST38h Mar 01 17:36:27 pupnik: Real, as always with Sony Mar 01 17:36:28 RST38h: wtf :P Mar 01 17:37:29 Sts: Just shows how detached from reality Sony execs are Mar 01 17:38:16 RST38h: they are actually lobsters uploaded into the internet. Mar 01 17:38:39 can't exclude this possibility Mar 01 17:39:08 After all the "statements" they made like the statement that "PS3 will be expensive, very expensive, because it is such a good console" Mar 01 17:40:29 It was true - PS3 is expensive, very expensive. Mar 01 17:41:01 Nobody knows if it's a good console, because they can't afford it. ;) Mar 01 17:45:25 * RST38h can say the same about Wii: wherever he looked in the US, it is out of stock Mar 01 17:46:21 wii is actually more tangible than ps3 for me.. i've seen them in action several times Mar 01 17:46:27 RST38h: they are in stock now Mar 01 17:46:29 :) Mar 01 17:46:32 only time i saw ps3 was on research on multicore :P Mar 01 17:46:56 benson: it has an option to install linux Mar 01 17:47:13 wonder how that works Mar 01 17:47:18 considering it uses a cell cpu Mar 01 17:47:32 SonyLINUX ? Mar 01 17:47:41 iirc, linux doesn't get full access to the hardware Mar 01 17:47:44 with a lgpl lic :) Mar 01 17:47:47 haha Mar 01 17:48:09 qwerty12: such as? Mar 01 17:49:23 you can't use the hardware acceleration or something Mar 01 17:49:33 af'noon Mar 01 17:49:36 Just runs PPC Linux, I think. As a slowish PPC. Mar 01 17:50:21 Because the Cell has PPC compatibility, or one of it's cores is a PPC, or something like that. Mar 01 17:50:59 * benson wonders if any of the consoles are worth buying as a PC these days. Mar 01 17:51:03 qwerty12: Never solved RISC OS needing relative movements which doesn't fit well with a touchscreen, and since it was pre-N810, input was tricky Mar 01 17:51:23 Jaffa, ah :/ Mar 01 17:51:40 dudes, you just google "playstation 3 linux" instead of just guessing Mar 01 17:52:12 Back when the xbox (original) came out, I was semi-seriously considering one to run Linux -- it was cheaper than equivalent hardware, but it was also not very impressive hardware. Mar 01 17:52:18 In my defence, I did google "linux ps3 restrictions" :) Mar 01 17:53:17 benson: xbmc looks amazing though :P Mar 01 17:53:41 * qwerty12 old xbox has the sole purpose of running xbmc Mar 01 18:01:55 Macer: Really? Crisis? =) Mar 01 18:02:45 crisis? Mar 01 18:09:50 !seen lardman Mar 01 18:10:06 :( Mar 01 18:10:07 ~seen lardman Mar 01 18:10:12 lardman was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 5d 5h 33m 19s ago, saying: 'the one I have installed is supposed to work with the built-in browser, and it does, but has issues'. Mar 01 18:10:17 ty Mar 01 18:10:33 pupnik, hes globetrotting Mar 01 18:10:41 will be back in a couple of days Mar 01 18:11:24 ik Mar 01 18:11:39 t_s_o, untested: http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/epdfview_0.1.7-8maemo3_armel.deb Mar 01 18:15:36 the wonders of internet and wireless connections. downloaded to pc, bluetooth transfer and now installing Mar 01 18:16:28 benson: having played with it a bit, I don't think PS3 is a good replacement for desktop PC, you are probably better getting a quad core x86 system :) Mar 01 18:17:12 benson: anyway, it is interesting to experiment with ppc64 linux Mar 01 18:18:35 qwerty12: seems to work ok, except that when using full screen it defaults to "zoom to fit" and the toolbar is hidden even tho its still checked in the menu... Mar 01 18:20:55 odd, toolbar should work (the arguments passed to hildon_window_add_toolbar seem to be the same in this version) but I'll take a proper look at it sometime later Mar 01 18:24:53 err, it works in window mode, but goes hidden in full screen even tho its still seen as activated in the menu Mar 01 18:25:43 Oh, that's not specific to the hildon version Mar 01 18:25:45 ah, i see. its the default behavior of the desktop version. hide menus and go zoom to fit when switching to full screen Mar 01 18:26:56 i wonder if there is some way to speed up its page rendering, as its clearly slower then evince... Mar 01 18:30:25 still, just being able to have a toolbar in fullscreen mode is useful... Mar 01 18:31:20 I may make it look up the setting but I really don't see the point in any more work when Evince clearly excels it in terms of performance Mar 01 18:34:29 heh, true. it could be simpler to get evince to show the toolbar in full screen mode Mar 01 18:34:50 does evince do find? Mar 01 18:34:58 and fit content area to screen? Mar 01 18:35:07 and view as text? Mar 01 18:36:07 find yes, select, only the whole page Mar 01 18:36:25 as for show as text, neither evince nor epdfviewer do that from what i can tell Mar 01 18:37:16 or maybe i was a bit quick giving evince the speed price... Mar 01 18:48:01 Stskeeps, with patch you gave me i get WPA: Invalid EAPOL-Key MIC when using TPTK - ignoring TPTK after association with AP Mar 01 19:06:42 * slonopotamus hit http://hostap.epitest.fi/bugz/show_bug.cgi?id=113 Mar 01 19:13:45 Hi. Mar 01 19:16:25 Hi. Mar 01 19:17:59 Can someone help me with this? I cloned the OS to my MMC, but don't know why now there are 4 partitions: one with the OS, another FAT (which mounts as MMC), swap and another OS! don't know why. Now I want to remove the second OS and use it as another "memory card" mounting it at /media/mmc2 and using a symlink. How can I erase it? mkfs.vfat and where it's mounted? Mar 01 19:20:26 well, I guess I'd have to unmount it first... Mar 01 19:27:24 yeah Mar 01 19:28:12 i'm watching the fed chair get drilled by the senate banking committee Mar 01 19:28:16 :) how fun Mar 01 19:29:59 *ding* Mar 01 19:30:46 Macer, lol! Mar 01 19:32:29 uh oh.... senator schumer :) Mar 01 19:32:48 Are they asking anything intelligent and relevant, or are they still focusing on the past? Mar 01 19:32:57 ShadowJK: senator schumer is Mar 01 19:33:00 Can someone tell me a command like "df" to see where things go mounted? Mar 01 19:33:04 you can tell he knows what he is talking about Mar 01 19:33:20 the rest of the committee is only there to say they are on the banking committee and add it to their resume Mar 01 19:33:22 mount Mar 01 19:33:33 ShadowJK, thank you. Mar 01 19:33:49 cat /proc/mounts Mar 01 19:33:52 cat /etc/fstab Mar 01 19:34:24 if senator schumer wasn't from new york. he would have made a good fed chair haha Mar 01 19:34:28 ShadowJK, I don't know almost anything about USA (I don't know even if Schumer is from USA), but sure they're most intelligent than spanish ones. Mar 01 19:35:21 Last electoral debate (debate? I said it right?), both candidates made a bet to see who'd get fastest in a context the name of Javier Bardem and say it there. Mar 01 19:35:47 oh wait.. i was wrong.. they are still blaming him :) Mar 01 19:35:53 dmesg says: [49449.320312] DSP Pausing failed, skipping OP change! Mar 01 19:36:05 while dumping from wlan Mar 01 19:36:12 you have to love it when a senator opens up with "you studied the great depression" Mar 01 19:36:16 haha Mar 01 19:37:05 ive just been reading an article about tweaking and optimizing windows, and something struck a nerve - we are about to have tracker on the next device to parse and monitor our media Mar 01 19:37:05 but did *he* learn from it? Mar 01 19:37:13 reading this: Mar 01 19:37:24 Vista's file indexing sounds like a good idea in theory: maintaining an index of files contained on the hard drive along with details of their properties to help speed up searching. But in reality searching for files is something that most people do on a very infrequent basis, so it's wasteful for Windows to spend any time monitoring files when that processor time could be put to much better use. Mar 01 19:37:37 ukki: what's happened to solmumaha? :p Mar 01 19:37:48 i really love how google is able to correct something as "obscure" as cthulhu ;) Mar 01 19:37:59 are we gonna encounter similar issues with the indexer mashing its way through? Mar 01 19:38:11 implement desktop search that way Mar 01 19:38:15 market clevery Mar 01 19:38:16 ??? Mar 01 19:38:17 qwerty12_N800: he left the maemo scene Mar 01 19:38:19 profit!! Mar 01 19:38:31 t_s_o: hey, it corrects maemo too, don't knock it! ;) Mar 01 19:38:42 :P Mar 01 19:38:46 lcuk: does indexing take up that much of the cpu? Mar 01 19:38:52 ukki: hehe, shame, i liked that guy :p Mar 01 19:38:57 lcuk: tracker runs at idle priority. thus, it will not hit app perf. Mar 01 19:38:59 Macer, not sure yet, but on a desktop system it appears to Mar 01 19:39:05 i could understand the initial indexing. but afterwards :) it probably uses .001% of the cpu Mar 01 19:39:12 check out e.g. beagle for an idea? Mar 01 19:39:15 well, indexing runs at idle. when queries are made, tracker runs at higher prio Mar 01 19:39:22 it probably taxes the hd much more than the c pu Mar 01 19:39:25 hiya konttori__, it just twinges a nerve (same one we half discussed at the summit lol) Mar 01 19:39:28 ShadowJK, ok, and to see the size or the used bytes of /dev/mmcblk0p* (where * is 1, 2...) Mar 01 19:39:54 summit? Mar 01 19:39:57 as long as we are safe from runaway processes thats alright Mar 01 19:40:04 lcuk: well, tracker only indexes the user files, so any hidden directories, or application data is not indexed - nor monitored Mar 01 19:40:17 thus, it's not handling inotify events all the time. Mar 01 19:40:25 yeah and if i swap memory cards often or change data a lot Mar 01 19:40:29 ie lots of new photos.. Mar 01 19:40:35 big 5mp photos Mar 01 19:40:46 sure, those are the processor consuming times Mar 01 19:41:12 yes, the tracker will be reading it whilst the photo app is trying to read it to show it Mar 01 19:41:28 double the memory pressure :) Mar 01 19:41:44 thats what im thinking, its why it twinges Mar 01 19:41:53 i hope its fine :) Mar 01 19:42:26 lcuk: if both are accessign it at the same time, kernel caches the data and it's very efficient for both to access it at the same time Mar 01 19:42:34 this bank nationalization will not work Mar 01 19:42:36 Perhaps worse than memory pressure is that SD/MMC dislikes non-sequential reads :) Mar 01 19:42:48 does tracker do the thumbnailing as well? Mar 01 19:42:57 yeah, it does thumbs as well Mar 01 19:43:06 for videos, images and album art for music files Mar 01 19:43:10 i think you mentioned there was a way to do a manual update Mar 01 19:43:11 konttori__, that only works as long as they're both accessing files within a tiny window afforded by RAM Mar 01 19:43:30 ie take picture, call in sync the thumbnailer, then show it all in sequence? Mar 01 19:43:34 ShadowJK: sure, but that was the case lcuk was presenting Mar 01 19:44:01 it becomes useful if its in sync because then the thumbnail is available for use directly by the app generating the data Mar 01 19:44:05 will mmap do something remotely sane if you're lucky? Mar 01 19:44:11 lcuk: we use epeg for thumbnailing, so it's blazing fast for photos Mar 01 19:44:56 konttori__, but will he be viewing photos at the same speed as they're indexed? :-) Mar 01 19:45:14 ShadowJK: sorry, I don't get it. what do you mean? Mar 01 19:45:16 * timeless objects to assigning gender to a device Mar 01 19:45:41 any ideas for that? I want to see the size of /dev/mmcblk0p* because I can't mount them and i want to format one of them (although I don't know which) Mar 01 19:46:18 i have a gstreamer stream. i tell it to save an image. that call is in sync. i want my next action to be something like tracker_ensureupdated(newfilename); and to have everything in sync so i can at my next operation grab a thumbnail and render iit on the canvas Mar 01 19:46:53 lcuk: i hope you aren't blocking the ui waiting on tracker Mar 01 19:46:58 i can *only* grab a thumbnail if the tracker caching has occured Mar 01 19:47:04 because that'd always be bad Mar 01 19:47:10 konttori__, 2 or more gigabytes of new data to go through. Doesn't fit in ram. Once the thumbnail making and indexing has processed 30 megs or so, the first pictures start getting evicted from ram, and if he then tries to view things, the two processes will be fighting for disk access and ram.. I'm saying caching doesn't help much here :) Mar 01 19:47:57 sure, there will always be cases, where there are io issues. Mar 01 19:48:10 shadowjk: i think it's reasonable to hope that they'll test these cases Mar 01 19:48:10 otoh, SD cards are pretty fast these days Mar 01 19:48:10 timeless, no, but the alternative is to simply load the jpeg in realtime as i do now Mar 01 19:48:19 if you're truly afraid, write up a testcase Mar 01 19:48:23 we can make sure it's tested Mar 01 19:48:31 timeless, tis discussion for now Mar 01 19:48:43 my house has been invaded by lesbian shrews :( Mar 01 19:48:53 congrats? Mar 01 19:49:01 photos or it didnt happen Mar 01 19:49:02 ukki: tame one and keep her? Mar 01 19:49:20 konttori__, be sure to test them on non-sequential access.. those I have really hate it, they degrade to 4-30kbyte/s if many apps are trying to read at teh same time :/ Mar 01 19:49:32 i've been catching them the whole weekend Mar 01 19:49:55 how do you know they are lesbians? Mar 01 19:49:57 i take them out and soon they are munching my living room carpet again Mar 01 19:50:02 lolol Mar 01 19:50:11 * timeless looks at a wikipedia article for someone matching ukki's real name Mar 01 19:50:12 * lcuk now gets it Mar 01 19:50:29 is that person still MIA? Mar 01 19:50:44 and it woke my wife up by sniffing her hair Mar 01 19:52:22 * timeless pokes ukki about his namesake Mar 01 19:52:41 ShadowJK: well, indexing really is usually quite fast operation. Tracker extract extracts about 50 songs a sec. I cannot recall the speed of image indexing, but thumbnailing takes about 0.1 secs or 0.2 secs for 5 MP image (that you or lcuk mentioned), if my memory serves me right). So, 50 songs is about 250 MB of music per sec, so your case of 2 Gb would take about 10 secs. Of course, there are slow downs in certain cases, e.g. vb Mar 01 19:52:54 rihanna has the herpes Mar 01 19:53:16 "e.g. v" Mar 01 19:53:24 lol macer, thats a strange continuation to konttori__'s post Mar 01 19:53:26 vb? Mar 01 19:53:36 btw, a 2gb module is a joke Mar 01 19:53:45 if you aren't handling 8gb ... Mar 01 19:54:06 timeless: what do you mean mia? Mar 01 19:54:30 missing in action Mar 01 19:54:40 yes, that i know :) Mar 01 19:54:53 and you know your name, so look it up in en.wikipedia Mar 01 19:54:56 timeless: vbr variable bit rate - thus, to calculate the total length somewhat correctly, you need to evaluate a lot of frames of music to come up with average bit rate to do the calculation of total duration of a song. Mar 01 19:55:12 i can't paste a link because my irc connection isn't utf8 safe Mar 01 19:55:21 ah Mar 01 19:55:27 of course, mp3 files do not actually contain the duration in the headers at all. Mar 01 19:55:30 konttori: even my media collection is 7g Mar 01 19:55:31 well, next to never. Mar 01 19:55:35 well i'm not that guy :) Mar 01 19:55:43 ukki: i assumed as much Mar 01 19:55:49 but that wasn't the question Mar 01 19:56:06 konttori__, actually wouldn't it be wiser to try make sure that background indexing doesn't add to memory pressure, that is, make sure what it goes through doesn't get cached in ram? Mar 01 19:56:07 he did the richey edwards Mar 01 19:56:07 timeless: yeah, and I have test data of so and so many gigs, but really, I just mentioned the 2 because someone else was referring to that Mar 01 19:56:51 * timeless asks windows how much space this 6.9gb collection o f mp3s would cost Mar 01 19:57:25 :(. mp3s don't get very good compression Mar 01 19:57:40 it's the difference between 6.9gb on disk and 6.91gb Mar 01 19:58:29 * timeless ponders Mar 01 19:58:36 what portion of content is vbr these days? Mar 01 19:58:49 i have 250 'songs' in my ~7gb 'collection' Mar 01 19:59:03 ShadowJK: well, tracker really only reads as few blocks of data as possible. e.g. for a mp3 it first tries to read the first and last 512 bytes to see id3 format. then, if needed, it will read a few blocks more and that's it for a music file. Mar 01 19:59:11 really doens't do much io Mar 01 19:59:17 Yay! My new N810 survived a bath! Mar 01 19:59:22 * timeless has ~2000 pictures in ~2gb of data Mar 01 19:59:33 benson: you clearly haven't read the owners manual Mar 01 19:59:46 because it's listed as a No No Mar 01 19:59:54 Sometimes after I've put my tablet down and the screen has switched off, it has watchdog-rebooted. I never investigated, but assumed it was because of the memory pressure from indexing pushing stuff to swap, ending up in reboot when dsme (or whatever pokes the watchdog) got blocked waiting for swapin, and the average queue length exceeding 30sec or so at that point Mar 01 20:00:15 If mp3s got good compression, something would be seriously wrong with them. Mar 01 20:00:26 (and it stopped doing that after I reduced the queue length for the memory cards) Mar 01 20:00:34 timeless: Hence the yay; surviving no-nos is remarkable. Mar 01 20:01:34 Rodney in stargate atlantis was bathing with his tablet, they should cope with it! Mar 01 20:01:41 ;) Mar 01 20:02:33 egyptian stone tablets CAN be bathed Mar 01 20:02:40 N800s have been known to function and play music while fully submerged; N810s apparently not so good. Mar 01 20:02:58 The screen was already starting to short before I go the battery pulled. Mar 01 20:03:23 it has openings everywhere, how could it not short being submerged :) Mar 01 20:03:31 But a few hours of hot air drying later, and it seems fine. Mar 01 20:03:57 Well, water is a good insulator. _Anything_ dissolved in water isn't. Mar 01 20:04:15 So maybe that guy's pond was purer than my bathwater. Mar 01 20:04:32 iirc there was a note in the N810 box, or maybe the manual, that said Nokia had used the same size screws everywhere Mar 01 20:04:40 if that's true that's nice for times like that :) Mar 01 20:05:32 Yeah, but I couldn't find my bitty torxes anyway, so I just dried it whole. Woulda been faster if I could have disassembled it. Mar 01 20:06:07 I have a bunch of torxes, but they're all the wrong size whenever I need one. Mar 01 20:06:08 :/ Mar 01 20:14:08 If I didn't get an answer before, why'd I get it now? Meh. Does anybody know a command to know the size of /dev/mmcblk0p* without mounting it? Mar 01 20:14:22 * binky feels idiot because of asking the same thing 4 times. Mar 01 20:16:08 binky: fdisk? cat /proc/partitions? Mar 01 20:16:36 sh: fdisk: not found (...shit...) Mar 01 20:17:06 OOOK! It worked Mar 01 20:17:17 Thank you veryyyy much, Jaffa! Mar 01 20:44:37 hey-hey world) Mar 01 20:45:10 lo wazd Mar 01 20:45:41 wazd: saw http://www.valeriovalerio.org/?p=214 ? Mar 01 20:46:09 hi wazd Mar 01 20:46:28 any brainsmashing news while I was offline?) Mar 01 20:47:42 BBC said that Obama announced worldwide peace, but it linked to Never Gonna Give You Up, so... Mar 01 20:47:57 nothing new. Mar 01 20:48:14 heh Mar 01 20:48:30 remoo Mar 01 20:48:39 Stskeeps, yep, already saw that Mar 01 20:48:47 RST38bis: hola) Mar 01 20:49:19 btw, can you guys help me? I want to get a partition mounted at boot instead of another one as the memory card (I'm booting from OS) Mar 01 20:49:25 heya wazd Mar 01 20:49:27 (from MMC, I mean) Mar 01 20:49:42 Stskeeps: Well, taskswitcher looks nice Mar 01 20:51:43 ideas, anyone? Mar 01 20:51:51 Stskeeps: btw, any good news from Shutter77 with icons?) Mar 01 20:57:50 can anyone help me: why am I getting this error: "dpkg-source: warning: source directory `./nuvopearl' is not - `nuvopearl-1.35'" Mar 01 20:58:25 https://garage.maemo.org/builder/diablo/nuvopearl_1.35/i386.build.log.FAILED.txt Mar 01 20:59:39 you have to rename source dir Mar 01 21:00:02 so that it corresponds to the package name Mar 01 21:00:49 i think i will get a ps3 Mar 01 21:00:58 just for sf4 Mar 01 21:01:00 :) Mar 01 21:02:46 Macer: and killzone2! Mar 01 21:03:10 florida is going to lose... too bad Mar 01 21:03:19 any ideas why "sudo gainroot" wouldn't work? trying to follow this guide for cpu transparency here... Mar 01 21:03:46 RST38bis: so, I'll have to have source dir so that it includes the version number? Mar 01 21:04:24 almost done! i hope this crap works Mar 01 21:04:58 thanks. seems to be working. ... perhaps. Mar 01 21:05:26 wow.. the dude from firefly/serenity is in a new show Mar 01 21:06:05 RST38bis: thanks for the help Mar 01 21:06:06 konttori: yep Mar 01 21:09:51 hey folks, keep getting: Write failed after 0 bytes when trying to flash n810 with "latest" release from http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N810.php. any clues? Mar 01 21:12:54 igagis, theremin loses sound capability after minimized for a while and restored. i just brought it back and its silent Mar 01 21:13:41 lcuk: hm, I did not see such bug, will investigate Mar 01 21:14:06 it works again correctly after restarting Mar 01 21:14:06 lcuk: btw I looked at liqbase, very nice and incredibly fast Mar 01 21:14:12 yeah, tis :) Mar 01 21:14:33 ok, that's better that restart restores the sound Mar 01 21:14:52 RST38h: so, what is the root for the debian install file? my first line is: "images" "/usr/share/themes/nuvopearl/images/" Mar 01 21:15:01 looks like you are trying to come up with some new ui concept for mibile devices? Mar 01 21:15:05 but I'm getting: cp: cannot stat `./"images"': No such file or directory Mar 01 21:15:07 mobile* Mar 01 21:15:12 igagis, its not new to me :) Mar 01 21:15:23 while, images is in the root of the source package. Mar 01 21:15:56 lcuk: I saw your video on youtube about your new thing under development Mar 01 21:16:20 where you mess the images on the screen :-) that's fun Mar 01 21:16:57 yeah, its relaxing Mar 01 21:17:15 thresh: sorry, I don't have any idea. perhaps USB. Or perhaps old version of the flasher tool Mar 01 21:17:24 or, perhaps invalid file Mar 01 21:17:38 i think i'll boot to linux Mar 01 21:17:39 lcuk: btw, I think that the future is finger friandly ui Mar 01 21:17:51 lcuk: stylus is almost dead Mar 01 21:18:29 never Mar 01 21:18:42 fingerpainting is for kids Mar 01 21:19:10 but a big touch friendly ui (which i can still use just as well with my stylus) is required Mar 01 21:19:58 well, painting is not a finger task, agree, but much of the other stuff is more convenient when there's large buttons and you can easily hit them and no need to take the stilys every time Mar 01 21:20:01 igagis, wth is theremin? Tell me it's a theremin-like app for the tablets! It would be amazing! Mar 01 21:20:49 lcuk: yes, finger ui is good, but stylus should be present also for such tasks as sketching Mar 01 21:20:59 binky: it is my new app Mar 01 21:21:03 binky Mar 01 21:21:09 i like the plectrum on new devices Mar 01 21:21:14 binky: a musical instrument much like a theremin Mar 01 21:21:18 :o Mar 01 21:21:36 * lcuk was strumming his 810 last night Mar 01 21:21:37 but tablets hasn't a acelerometer or something like it Mar 01 21:21:58 (I built myself a crappy theremin, I know how it works like) Mar 01 21:22:07 How does it work then? Mar 01 21:22:14 binky, igagis's theremin and jagernot's boxar prove this device has potential Mar 01 21:22:19 nicely actually Mar 01 21:22:36 igagis, give him a link Mar 01 21:22:42 binky: well theremin similarity is only that the app allows controlling pitch and volume continuously Mar 01 21:22:47 will them work with 770 with OS2008HE? Mar 01 21:22:49 just a minute Mar 01 21:22:58 but you can't multitouch Mar 01 21:23:12 well, you can emulate it with liqbase, but... it isn't the same Mar 01 21:23:23 binky, mmmn technicality - BUT i have multitouch type thing in liqbase Mar 01 21:23:25 https://garage.maemo.org/projects/theremin/ Mar 01 21:23:54 binky, the multitouch i have (i believe) will feasibly work for 2 fingered drumming Mar 01 21:24:01 binky: you will need installing some C++ stuff also, gtkmm libs etc. Mar 01 21:24:06 since drums are poking the screen and dont act as strokes Mar 01 21:24:06 I'll give it a try JUST now. =) Mar 01 21:24:20 thank you, I'll see. Mar 01 21:24:29 looks promising. Mar 01 21:24:31 apt-get install libcairomm-1.0-1 libglibmm-2.4-1c2a libgtkmm-2.4-1c2a libhildon-fmmm libhildonmm libsigc++-2.0-0c2a Mar 01 21:24:42 will install all that is needed for C++ libs Mar 01 21:27:22 * igagis1 thinks about recording a video, playing simple melody with maemo theremin. Maybe next week... :-) Mar 01 21:28:33 yeah, as always, linux works fine Mar 01 21:28:38 bloody osx Mar 01 21:47:31 btw, some time ago, quite recently, I made USB mouse working with tablet, but after that I lost interest and did not public the solution, if anyone interested I can say how to do it, it is easy, but requires recompiling xomap. Mar 01 21:48:35 some dude stopped to help people on the highway that flipped over.. they jumped him and stole his car Mar 01 21:48:45 bet that's the last time he ever stops for someone on the highway ever again Mar 01 21:49:29 only in the burbs.. people in the city know better than to stop for strangers in a flipped car on the side of the road Mar 01 21:50:26 the behavior seems nearly savage :( Mar 01 21:59:59 lol, Jaffa got a thumb Mar 01 22:00:04 I wonder who from. . . . Mar 01 22:03:45 GeneralAntilles: I can't imagine :-/ Mar 01 22:08:12 gnuton, ping? Mar 01 22:08:38 ouch jaffa, is that the first time anyones thumbed you Mar 01 22:10:11 GeneralAntilles: pong Mar 01 22:10:15 lcuk: Nah, had a few before Mar 01 22:10:20 gnuton, where are you guys tracking bugs? Mar 01 22:10:20 * Jaffa 'll live Mar 01 22:10:29 Actually, I'll sleep. Mar 01 22:10:31 g'night Mar 01 22:10:35 gnite Mar 01 22:10:42 Later, Jaffa. Mar 01 22:12:12 GeneralAntilles: we have a bug tracker at qt4.garage.maemo.org as any other project in garage... Mar 01 22:12:20 gnuton, ouch. . . . Mar 01 22:12:23 How about bugs.maemo.org? Mar 01 22:13:58 andre__, I'm assuming we'd be OK moving a Qt component from Extras to Official Platform around the time Harmattan rolls around, right? Mar 01 22:16:19 yepp, i think so Mar 01 22:16:47 andre__, should we just go ahead and make the QA contacts @maemo.bugs to save pain transitioning later? Mar 01 22:17:09 i can do that, yupp Mar 01 22:17:17 any subcomponents in mind> Mar 01 22:17:19 ? Mar 01 22:17:24 gnuton? Mar 01 22:17:47 Actually, where is maemo-gtk? Mar 01 22:18:06 it's a component, no product Mar 01 22:18:12 Right Mar 01 22:18:26 So eventually we'll need to turn Qt into a component instead of a product. Mar 01 22:18:33 So I guess we only want one component. Mar 01 22:18:42 yepp, let's have a "general" Mar 01 22:18:47 isnt there like 9gazillion products within Mar 01 22:19:29 GeneralAntilles: what's the problem to have our tracker? if that is the problem... Mar 01 22:19:55 ours Mar 01 22:20:29 Well, the only problem is that Garage's tracker sucks ,and is user- and developer-hostile. ;) Mar 01 22:20:42 in the long run (if qt becomes official) it will move to bugs.maemo.org Mar 01 22:20:51 s/if/when/ Mar 01 22:20:58 (when being Harmattan) Mar 01 22:21:04 but if you currently want to keep qt4.garage.maemo.org there's no urgent reason to move Mar 01 22:21:12 all as you like... at your service :) Mar 01 22:22:30 I think that Qt is okay.. and the tracker ther is enought... I don't think that it's so developer -hostile Mar 01 22:23:05 as you like... Mar 01 22:23:32 Well, _I'm_ not filing bugs, then. :P Mar 01 22:23:52 GeneralAntilles: :( Mar 01 22:24:30 bugs.maemo.org or bust! ;) Mar 01 22:24:45 I will tell you that your dialog buttons are reversed compared to Hildon, though. Mar 01 22:25:28 * GeneralAntilles was going to move this one to a Qt product https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4159 Mar 01 22:25:55 GeneralAntilles: I can switch to bugs.maemo.org without no problem Mar 01 22:26:16 but I need a bit of time for the migration. I've to close some bugs.. Mar 01 22:26:28 I can migrate bugs for you. Mar 01 22:26:44 GeneralAntilles: ok, perfect. You can do it now. Mar 01 22:27:03 or ASA you have a bit of time Mar 01 22:27:30 I see 3 open bugs, 2 feature requests, and 1 patch. Mar 01 22:27:32 Sound about right? Mar 01 22:27:50 it's right Mar 01 22:29:18 created general-bugs@qt.garage.bugs Mar 01 22:29:28 Don't we want @maemo.bugs? Mar 01 22:29:54 When it comes time to make Qt an official product, we're going to have to change the QA contact and wont that be an issue for people watching? Mar 01 22:30:05 it won't be an issue Mar 01 22:30:12 i've tested that once Mar 01 22:31:00 OK Mar 01 22:31:29 noob question: the bugzilla have some equivalent to "feature requests" ? Mar 01 22:31:55 VDVsx, severity = enhancement Mar 01 22:32:10 ^ Mar 01 22:32:44 gnuton, what versions do you want? Mar 01 22:32:59 GeneralAntilles: version of what? MAemo? Qt? Mar 01 22:33:05 Qt Mar 01 22:33:09 "4.5" ? Mar 01 22:33:10 Qt 4.4 and 4.5, Mar 01 22:33:16 OK Mar 01 22:33:21 ah right like trac :) Mar 01 22:33:50 andre__, did you catch http://wiki.maemo.org/Bugs:Administration_guide ? Mar 01 22:35:26 GeneralAntilles, no. but it's cool. i have something here locally too and failed to put it into the wiki yet. hmm, can i watch every wikipage beginning with a "Bugs:" namespace? Mar 01 22:35:56 yay, that is way better than my messy text file here :-P Mar 01 22:36:17 andre__, somebody else asked about it and I think we need an extension. Mar 01 22:36:37 Be a good citizen and hit up http://wiki.maemo.org/Special:Recentchanges every few days. ;) Mar 01 22:37:50 ty Mar 01 22:38:06 * andre__ adds it to his startpage Mar 01 22:38:11 gnuton, https://bugs.maemo.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=Qt Mar 01 22:39:32 gnuton, you've got a duplicate bugzilla account @gmai.com Mar 01 22:48:23 gnuton, OK, migrated. Mar 01 22:49:26 GeneralAntilles: Ok, great! :D Thank you very much Mar 01 22:49:39 if i shall merge some bugzill accounts just say... Mar 01 22:49:41 I'm predicting your bug filing is going to go up. ;) Mar 01 22:50:06 andre__, I say yes, but talk to gnuton. Mar 01 22:52:02 hi Mar 01 22:53:30 i'd like my own programs to be able to take still image shots with the built-in camera of a N810 or N800 tablet running Maemo Mar 01 22:53:34 how do i do that? Mar 01 22:55:25 OpenPSA notification on newstyle.maemo.org . . . Mar 01 22:56:09 Whoa, it just got dark. Mar 01 22:56:22 pssst derf, thats called nighttime Mar 01 22:56:32 No, I mean, in like 5 seconds. Mar 01 22:56:41 Big storm? Mar 01 22:56:44 ahh, thunder on its way? Mar 01 22:56:57 We were supposed to get snow this afternoon. Mar 01 22:56:59 I guess it is here. Mar 01 22:57:42 GeneralAntilles: I'm still at the phone with my girl... but I'm in bugzilla.. Mar 01 22:58:22 GeneralAntilles: it's okay.. but it looks like the old my bug tracker.. so what's new? why the old one sucks? :P Mar 01 22:58:35 ragadoo: you can use GStreamer. Mar 01 22:58:41 gnuton, Garage is evil and painful Mar 01 22:58:46 Bugzilla is a lot better put together Mar 01 22:58:53 Easier on reporters and easier on developers Mar 01 22:59:29 Plus, it's centralized. Mar 01 22:59:40 You'll get a lot more potential reporters and a lot more eyes on your bugs. Mar 01 22:59:49 Most people don't bother to visit the Garage trackers. Mar 01 23:00:03 * lcuk wants bug tracking and reporting directly from the app Mar 01 23:00:11 Whereas there are at least a half-dozen people who look at every bug that comes through Bugzilla. Mar 01 23:00:14 GeneralAntilles: :D ok. BTW I'm happy to use Bugzilla now.. Mar 01 23:00:18 * GeneralAntilles doesn't. Mar 01 23:00:36 gnuton, anyway, you were gonna have to move eventually. :P Mar 01 23:00:38 lcuk: me too :D Mar 01 23:00:42 If not now, when Harmattan rolled around. Mar 01 23:00:44 GeneralAntilles, obviously coupled with a normal web interface as well Mar 01 23:00:57 there is at least a crash reporter avilable in the repo Mar 01 23:01:01 lcuk, crash reporting is one thing and email "bug reports" are another. Mar 01 23:01:11 errrm Mar 01 23:01:11 im not thinking either :) Mar 01 23:01:25 bug reporting from the app directly can be dangerous. depends on the userbase Mar 01 23:01:44 andre__, well, if the developers wants to process that then that's up to them. Mar 01 23:01:45 it's avilable in gnome evolution, and i once proposed to get rid of it Mar 01 23:02:00 What I _don't_ want to see is bugzilla filing from the application. ;) Mar 01 23:02:07 Since then you end up with tons and tons of dupes. Mar 01 23:02:07 ah. fine :) Mar 01 23:02:09 the user will have experessed an opinion that they are interested in seeing/reporting/helping/suggesting type Mar 01 23:02:30 because joe smith doesn't get the difference between software bug and misconfiguration Mar 01 23:02:38 and what forums are better suited for... Mar 01 23:02:46 and it shouldnt matter because the live documentation should let them know that Mar 01 23:03:03 * andre__ has seen to many "cant send mail. plz help!!!" reports in his life Mar 01 23:03:59 doesnt that tell you theres something wrong with the app though? Mar 01 23:04:03 No Mar 01 23:04:03 yupp Mar 01 23:04:08 in a kind of way it does Mar 01 23:04:13 Sometimes Mar 01 23:04:27 but still the amount of people unwilling to invest a very little bit of time is very high Mar 01 23:04:42 like your email provider telling you the ports and server url to use Mar 01 23:04:43 of course, if its out of their way they wont do it Mar 01 23:05:07 "hey, i just want to do email, why should i bother reading how it works?" Mar 01 23:05:10 andre__, we get that a lot in dayjob, "but outlook knows it" Mar 01 23:05:30 because the isp supplies a disk preconfigured with outlook settings Mar 01 23:05:39 thx gnuton Mar 01 23:05:50 modest also provides default provider settings Mar 01 23:06:19 yes andre__ i know and im not knocking it, merely a response to your quote Mar 01 23:06:37 is there some example code somewhere for accessing the N810/N800 camera with gstreamer? Mar 01 23:06:44 and i agree that software has to become more user friendly here :) Mar 01 23:07:19 the sooner we get fluid simple usable apps on this device, the better Mar 01 23:07:51 * lcuk cant wait to see how fremantle is shaping up Mar 01 23:10:58 well, fremantle alpha was planned for february. so it should be out soon hopefully... Mar 01 23:11:32 yeah Mar 01 23:11:36 found it Mar 01 23:11:51 what? the fremantle alpha? Mar 01 23:12:40 probably not :-) Mar 01 23:14:57 ragadoo: you r welcome Mar 01 23:17:17 I'm trying to run sudo mkfs.ext3 and I'm getting command not found, does any one know of an issue with this? Mar 01 23:19:15 hey. how do i tell apt (or the frontend "application manager") to install software to custom paths? Mar 01 23:23:36 does any one know the command to create an ext3 partition Mar 01 23:24:06 mkdosfs /dev/mmcblk0p$ creates a vfat partition Mar 01 23:24:17 but I don't know the equivalent for ext3 Mar 01 23:24:28 rdesfo, did you install e2fsprogs? Mar 01 23:24:41 no, do I need to for this? Mar 01 23:42:32 good night all Mar 01 23:53:29 GeneralAntilles: I don't remember if I thanked you.. Mar 01 23:53:35 For? Mar 01 23:53:43 GeneralAntilles: for the migration to bugzilla Mar 01 23:53:49 Oh, sure, no worries. Mar 01 23:53:55 It's more selfish than anything. ;) Mar 01 23:54:14 GeneralAntilles: :D Btw where are you based? Mar 01 23:54:55 Florida, USA Mar 01 23:55:25 :D Ok, then I've a good memory.. Mar 01 23:55:27 :D Mar 02 00:07:21 Quick question: is it possible to hos diablo, fremantle, and mer sdks on the same machine? in the same scratchbox installation? Mar 02 00:07:30 hos -> host Mar 02 00:12:25 hannesw, http://maemo.org/community/maemo-developers/multiple_sdks_on_the_same_sbox/ Mar 02 00:12:53 thanks, andre__ Mar 02 01:05:28 hello Mar 02 01:06:07 does anyone know where I can find e2fsprogs Mar 02 01:12:25 Extras-devel Mar 02 01:12:27 ~extras Mar 02 01:13:00 diablo extras Mar 02 01:13:00 deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ diablo free Mar 02 01:13:00 deb-src http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ diablo free Mar 02 01:13:09 ?? Mar 02 01:14:19 well, extras is http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras Mar 02 01:16:21 awesome thanks Mar 02 01:24:47 e2fsprogs isn't in extras :( Mar 02 01:27:43 rdesfo, http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/diablo/free/e/e2fsprogs/ Mar 02 01:27:45 try extras-devel Mar 02 01:33:24 rdesfo, that's why I said Extras-devel. Mar 02 01:33:53 ok thx Mar 02 01:34:24 Somebody's been thumbing candidate announcements Mar 02 01:35:29 I don't get the whole Easy * stuff. Mar 02 01:42:26 esx has me about to shoot someone Mar 02 01:42:27 heh Mar 02 02:35:30 I can't seem to get ethernet over usb to work while I've got my new 8GB sd card plugged in (to my n810) Mar 02 02:36:52 I rebooted the n810, a few times, and it still didn't work (displayed "usb connected" then "usb disconnected" about a second or two later) Mar 02 02:38:11 even tried rebooting my PC. Mar 02 02:38:28 then I shut off my n810, removed the new SD card, and ethernet over usb worked as usual Mar 02 02:44:54 how do you kill that which has no life Mar 02 02:45:25 -9 Mar 02 02:45:58 zombies can not be -9'ed. Mar 02 02:46:08 too true Mar 02 02:46:15 i'm watching the world of warcraft south park Mar 02 02:47:04 Macer: you should spend that time leveling! Mar 02 02:48:58 dougt: haha Mar 02 02:49:13 i couldn't get into wow that much Mar 02 02:49:27 it got boring and i only got up to lvl 40 Mar 02 02:49:31 Macer: its not on! man, I turned on the TV and went looking Mar 02 02:49:38 hulu I guess Mar 02 02:49:45 fireun: i'm watching it on my popcornhour Mar 02 02:50:13 "we need to login and stay in the forest killing boars" Mar 02 02:50:14 haha Mar 02 02:51:20 Macer: that game starts when you are at the lvl 60, err.. 70, f@#$ 80. and have good gear. Mar 02 02:51:50 dougt: and by the time i got to 80... it would be 90 Mar 02 02:51:58 yeah, i feel the same. Mar 02 02:52:04 :) and so on and so forth ... it is like chasing the dragon Mar 02 02:52:39 yeah, you can do that too. Mar 02 02:54:10 blizzard had to have helped them with this episode Mar 02 02:54:33 their logo is correct.. it's almost like they allowed them to do it **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Mar 02 02:59:57 2009