**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Mar 02 02:59:57 2009 Mar 02 03:01:15 lalala Mar 02 03:39:07 ⊙_⊙ Mar 02 03:56:04 nice Mar 02 03:56:21 hehe :) Mar 02 04:00:09 Hello. Is it possible to have keyboard shortcuts with a USB keyoard? Mar 02 04:00:46 I cannot fnd a definitive answer. Mar 02 04:15:13 I've got e17 packages that will get it running for anyone who wants to try them. I just need a place to upload them to Mar 02 04:16:01 also, is anyone here good with .deb packaging? I got e17 up and running with my builds, but it didn't include some files I wanted it to include. Mar 02 04:18:21 packaging for maemo? (a matchbox replacement??) or deblet or something else? Mar 02 04:20:24 Mer. They should work in deblet and might work in Maemo. If you tried them in maemo, you'd have to have a way to kill hildon and start enlightenmen_start Mar 02 04:22:32 neatojones: you can ask andrewfblack for some server space if you need a mirror ;) Mar 02 04:23:11 yeah. I would definitely need that. Otherwise, I'm sure I can find a spot to throw them into on the net for now. Mar 02 04:25:44 * b-man needs to sleep, see ya tomorrow Mar 02 04:49:16 Do shortcuts work with USB keyboards/ Mar 02 04:49:19 ? Mar 02 05:25:34 * neatojones just finished making a new e17 how to on ITT. If you want to try it, head on over and try the new way. Mar 02 05:27:07 I just download the image and flash the tablet... right? (; Mar 02 05:34:39 fireun: I'd probably avoid anything involving flashing and Mer right now ;) Mar 02 05:35:40 I could really use some people to help me by giving suggestions on how to fix the probs we're experiencing. Mar 02 05:37:24 By the way, just a hint for anyone reading this: No matter how good of an idea it may seem to use a pen for you tablet...it's not. Mar 02 05:37:59 what about sharp rocks? Mar 02 05:38:12 depends... Mar 02 05:39:26 if you're lost in the wilderness with your dead tablet and you need to strike a rock on something to make a fire... Mar 02 05:39:34 then it's ok. Mar 02 05:40:04 might be better off hitting the battery with the rock Mar 02 05:40:16 just don't get too close Mar 02 05:41:05 either way, pens don't make good firestarters and *apparently can also write on your screen if they happen to be open and you don't know it. Mar 02 05:41:17 :) Mar 02 05:41:23 doh Mar 02 05:41:27 just use some whiteout Mar 02 05:41:35 lol Mar 02 05:43:22 * neatojones carefully applies whiteout to his N810 screen, being careful to stay within the lines. Mar 02 05:44:31 didn't work. I guess it's time for a new screen protector. Mar 02 05:45:09 Thing lasted me 5 months and I bought it at walmart as for 48cents for a cubic yard Mar 02 05:45:18 nice Mar 02 05:45:31 don't you mean a square yard though? Mar 02 05:45:45 no, it's a solid block. :) Mar 02 05:45:51 :P Mar 02 05:45:52 ok, fine, you're right Mar 02 06:04:27 wtf? Mar 02 06:04:30 whiteout? Mar 02 06:12:01 * Myrtti yawns Mar 02 06:18:47 luke-rj: I was joking. Mar 02 06:19:55 I'm not THAT stupid. No, I'm only stupid enough to use a pen as a stylus while it was open. Mar 02 07:00:25 hello Mar 02 07:00:36 how to debug a n810 booting itself? Mar 02 07:00:51 it had been sniffing wifi for over 1 hours Mar 02 07:00:59 and I started aircrack when it happened Mar 02 07:09:18 that is probably due to the watchdog Mar 02 07:09:37 and my guess is that whatever you used to sniff wifi, leaks memory Mar 02 07:19:31 RST38h, watchdog? Mar 02 07:19:33 oom killer ? Mar 02 07:19:46 maybe I should enable some swap and see if it happens less? Mar 02 07:20:01 airodump-ng is the tool Mar 02 07:20:13 and aircrack was started just before the reboot Mar 02 07:20:28 so check the free memory every now and then? Mar 02 07:24:33 not really a lot you can do even if you can tell what the problem is Mar 02 07:25:08 stop the leaking program? Mar 02 07:25:14 that should free the memory Mar 02 07:38:58 morning all Mar 02 07:40:09 morning Mar 02 07:40:11 how's india? Mar 02 07:41:19 certainly better weather than back in the UK Mar 02 07:41:30 I just got back last night Mar 02 07:41:40 still jetlagged? Mar 02 07:41:54 awesome Mar 02 07:42:05 i got my new esxi box up and running on my beast :) Mar 02 07:42:20 with my areca raid working too.. 6.37TB of formatted space Mar 02 07:42:24 * Macer pats himself on the back Mar 02 07:43:19 Stskeeps: yeah I think so, woke up early, but tired Mar 02 07:43:46 Macer: 6.37TB is quite a few :) Mar 02 07:44:17 heh Mar 02 07:44:34 took me a while to get it going.. guys in #vmware were pretty helpful considering i wasn't to keen on how raids worked Mar 02 07:44:36 anything exciting happen Maemo-wise in the last week? Mar 02 07:45:41 QTablet on planet.maemo.org seems interesting, the usual "nokia in hibernation" thread and council nominations Mar 02 07:46:05 oh, and definately vmware on n800 if you didn't see the video Mar 02 07:46:08 no alpha sdk yet? Mar 02 07:46:24 no, didn't see that, will have to look for the video Mar 02 07:46:33 pmo has it Mar 02 07:47:41 qwerty12: does jffs2 take more internal memory or something? Mar 02 07:47:51 hmm? Mar 02 07:47:59 hey qwerty12, how're you? Mar 02 07:48:07 like, taking up more memory when in use than lets say ext3 Mar 02 07:48:38 hi lardman :), I'm good thanks, how's India going? :) Mar 02 07:48:53 Welcome back, lardman. Mar 02 07:48:58 just got back, was good Mar 02 07:48:59 Time to decide whether you want to run again. ;) Mar 02 07:49:19 Stskeeps, no idea. might do but I hear it's more about it taking CPU due to the compression Mar 02 07:49:21 GeneralAntilles: hi, yes, will look through the email and see what people are saying Mar 02 07:49:37 "We want lardman! We want lardman!" :P Mar 02 07:51:21 I didn't think people would be campaigning for me, just wanted to see what the current applicants' plans were, etc Mar 02 07:51:40 Who's gonna nominate him? ;) Mar 02 07:52:05 Well, I mean, which one of us is gonna send the email to nominate him Mar 02 07:52:10 One of his other personalities, probably. Mar 02 07:52:19 (1st sentence sounded rude, sorry) Mar 02 07:52:42 qwerty12: I'm used to it ;) Mar 02 07:52:47 elections somewhere? Mar 02 07:54:14 hahlo, http://maemo.org/community/council/996cbe4a032c11de828a4110ce25015a015a/ Mar 02 07:56:29 hello Mar 02 07:56:45 konttori__, in your install file, don't quote any of your paths Mar 02 07:58:15 how does Canola's video player compare to MPlayer in terms of performance? e.g. if I encode using a preset for MPlayer, will I have any issues? Mar 02 07:58:23 qwerty12: i -really- wonder if root-mounted, even if not existing, is just a tool to create a first connection to DSME. Mar 02 07:58:35 so it doesn't WD Mar 02 07:59:33 If you want to find out, I can make an stripped down initfs that you can gdb, strace whatever with Mar 02 08:00:28 jaem, Canola uses MPlayer. Mar 02 08:00:35 So, exactly the same (at least in fullscreen) Mar 02 08:00:58 okay - thanks. I thought that, but then my misconception changed it's mind, and became wrong ;) Mar 02 08:01:25 also, does Drano work to clear clogged pipes in Unix? Mar 02 08:01:28 just kidding Mar 02 08:01:41 Lol, spammer with the name of barackhnobama on itt Mar 02 08:01:57 you never know, it could be him... Mar 02 08:02:05 but that seems unlikely Mar 02 08:02:07 jaem, sure, but only if you pour it directly on the mobo. ;) Mar 02 08:02:09 hehe Mar 02 08:04:45 ...last year, I was running an autoconf script for a program I was compiling from sources from the web, and it errored out because it couldn't find the data it had "cached" in /dev/null Mar 02 08:08:40 night everyone - thanks Mar 02 08:24:18 Morning Mar 02 08:24:37 moo all Mar 02 08:24:49 morning Mar 02 08:25:42 what is ne and exciting in maemo world? Mar 02 08:25:51 s/ne/new Mar 02 08:26:08 X-Fade, is OpenPSA new? Mar 02 08:26:16 (Morning :)) Mar 02 08:26:36 GeneralAntilles: No, but why do you ask? Mar 02 08:26:43 I got a notice email with a newstyle.maemo.org link in it for adv-backlight Mar 02 08:27:20 Probably somebody worked on newstyle then ;) Mar 02 08:27:35 X-Fade: belated commiserations on your birthday ;-) Mar 02 08:27:51 Myrtti: Thanks ;) Mar 02 08:28:15 I got to miss my own birthday party though ;( Mar 02 08:29:40 morning timelE61i Mar 02 08:29:53 hi Mar 02 08:34:33 hmm, my karma got over doubled, now i can run for council Mar 02 08:38:59 hEh Mar 02 08:39:26 i'd rather not get karma from itt though Mar 02 08:39:45 negative karma? ;) Mar 02 08:40:02 heh, is that possible? Mar 02 08:40:14 not sure.. sometimes i wish i could downvote iTT posts though Mar 02 08:40:19 if ($username == ukki) $itt_karma = $itt_karma * -1; Mar 02 08:40:20 ukki, did you add your profile link? Mar 02 08:40:28 yes Mar 02 08:40:37 Oh Mar 02 08:40:39 Rather not Mar 02 08:40:40 Ha! Mar 02 08:40:53 well, i know it's an option Mar 02 08:42:37 but i guess it's just an attitude problem Mar 02 08:43:21 I think my new karma whoring strategy is going to be migrating projects from the Garage tracker. ;) Mar 02 08:43:46 :) Mar 02 08:44:02 i just find the itt thanks a little unfair Mar 02 08:44:33 Why? Mar 02 08:45:34 ukki: I see it as a rating by your peers. Gives better insight than just a large number of posts to a forum? Mar 02 08:45:55 There's the whole opinion factor, I guess. Mar 02 08:46:04 But it's the same for Planet and Downloads. Mar 02 08:46:24 yeah, if we were to determine based on posts to forum, frank.wagner would get a lot of karma Mar 02 08:46:26 heh, karma whoring just seems like to good a paradox :) Mar 02 08:46:27 :P Mar 02 08:46:43 I can see that it can hurt people who are playing advocate of the devil the whole time though. Mar 02 08:46:56 how is it calculated? Mar 02 08:47:09 http://wiki.maemo.org/Karma Mar 02 08:47:56 thanks Mar 02 08:50:13 Morning, all Mar 02 08:50:31 morning Mar 02 08:51:46 hmm, /me still has 44 karma for discussion Mar 02 08:51:53 not a good morning, but morning none the less Mar 02 08:52:11 Myrtti: why not good? Mar 02 08:52:55 http://myrtti.jaiku.com/presence/54813620 <-- catches the essentials Mar 02 08:53:27 Myrtti: i usually do one of these two on monday mornings: drop some coffee/cola in my work keyboard or 2) forget my password i just changed Mar 02 08:53:38 *almost* != *on* Mar 02 08:53:39 Myrtti, punching a hole in the wall is always fun. ;) Mar 02 08:53:54 so, not exactly a bad thing =) Mar 02 08:54:14 RST38h: well, I did end up sweeping the floor dry with about the only clean t-shirt I had Mar 02 08:54:31 since that was the closest thing at hand Mar 02 08:54:43 GeneralAntilles: until you choose a concrete one rather than plasterboard ;) Mar 02 08:54:59 General: not everyone has drywall Mar 02 08:55:45 I imagine punching a plasterboard wall and managing to line up with one of the nails would also make your day even worse Mar 02 08:55:50 :) Mar 02 08:55:52 * RST38h makes a mental note on how the same building material has three completely different names in three countries Mar 02 08:55:57 RST38h, well, then, either you succeed and feel like a major badass or you fail and break your hand. Either way, you're mind's off whatever made you punch the wall in the first place. :D Mar 02 08:56:06 true :D Mar 02 08:56:13 but anyway, I feel like a winner Mar 02 08:56:50 Myrtti: are you candidate in elections? Mar 02 08:56:57 General: "If you wake up thinking that something absolutely terrible is going to happen with you today, EAT A LIVE TOAD, thus insuring that nothing more terrible is going to happen" Mar 02 08:57:19 hahlo: thank god, no Mar 02 08:57:28 Myrrti for council chair! Mar 02 08:57:36 i second Mar 02 08:58:05 I don't think I have enough karma Mar 02 08:58:26 that could bring more women for maemo Mar 02 08:58:46 21 Mar 02 08:58:48 Too bad. Mar 02 08:58:55 go show some attitude at itt, you will get there quickly Mar 02 08:58:56 how much karma do you need? :P Mar 02 08:59:04 100 to stand Mar 02 08:59:08 ah Mar 02 08:59:14 Just syndicate your Jaiku feed to Planet. ;) Mar 02 08:59:21 that Mar 02 08:59:21 how you get karma? Mar 02 08:59:35 http://wiki.maemo.org/Karma Mar 02 08:59:41 hahlo, you have to prove that you have no life Mar 02 08:59:49 hahlo, the less life, the more karma Mar 02 09:00:08 If the password is not changed, the account will be locked on February Mar 02 09:00:08 9th, 2009. Mar 02 09:00:10 .. uh. Mar 02 09:00:13 (just got that e-mail) Mar 02 09:00:19 Sts, xD Mar 02 09:00:25 heh heh Mar 02 09:00:34 whee. 21 karma Mar 02 09:00:34 * ukki thanks inz for the useful post Mar 02 09:00:49 ukki, which one? Mar 02 09:01:02 the no life Mar 02 09:01:15 ukki, ahh, that one, I specialize in useful quips on IRc Mar 02 09:01:20 Stskeeps: I don't have enough maemo related jaikus or blog entries or anyting Mar 02 09:01:45 Hurtful things, inz, hurtful things. :( Mar 02 09:02:19 GA, I'm sorry if I insulted you Mar 02 09:02:29 :P Mar 02 09:02:37 * Myrtti pokes X-Fade Mar 02 09:02:50 but couldn't you bend the rules if candidate is beautiful woman like Myrtti :) Mar 02 09:03:29 Striking yet another major victory for equality of the sexes? ;) Mar 02 09:03:31 "beautiful" can be discussed, I don't think I'm eligible in that category Mar 02 09:03:37 then we would have to give 3x karma to GeneralAntilles, i mean, see that devious smile on his avatar :P Mar 02 09:03:57 Stskeeps, I fail on the "woman" part, though. :P Mar 02 09:04:08 besides, I only just wiggled my way away from the board of FLUG etc. Mar 02 09:05:13 'lo rzr_ Mar 02 09:05:17 Myrtti: Stop touching meeeeee! Mar 02 09:05:48 Sorry, I have seen a lot of Jeff Dunham this weekend ;) Mar 02 09:06:18 X-Fade: sorry, I used selfhelp and figured an answer to my own question Mar 02 09:06:34 where can I by a cheap n810? Mar 02 09:06:43 keesj: expansys.com had some Mar 02 09:07:20 hi Mar 02 09:07:29 I am back from vacations Mar 02 09:07:48 anyone happen to know why headphones with controls (e.g. the ones I think come with the N95) don't work with the n810 (the microphone bit only)? Mar 02 09:08:23 lardman: Because there is no software support. Mar 02 09:08:40 lardman: But there was this audio app which supported it. Mar 02 09:08:44 I'd assumed the microphone was a direct connection? Mar 02 09:08:59 ah, was there, do you happen to remember the name? Mar 02 09:10:09 timeless/timelE61i: ping Mar 02 09:10:47 Jaffa: would you consider 250 pount cheap? Mar 02 09:11:02 right, I've updated bluez-utils with the latest patches for SBC from bluez-4.32 Mar 02 09:11:11 keesj: http://www.expansys.nl/p.aspx?i=158520 Mar 02 09:11:13 ARM-only atm Mar 02 09:11:16 keesj: 234,99 Mar 02 09:11:17 keesj: no Mar 02 09:12:43 pOnhg Mar 02 09:15:07 lardman: http://www.bitsmithy.net/?p=18 Mar 02 09:15:13 Which code example ;) Mar 02 09:15:16 *with Mar 02 09:15:38 Hmm no, sorry this was the BT one :( Mar 02 09:15:48 yeah, avrcp stuff Mar 02 09:15:56 thanks anyway Mar 02 09:16:18 Had to do something with resistance.. Mar 02 09:16:41 lardman: http://www.mail-archive.com/maemo-developers@maemo.org/msg11397.html Mar 02 09:16:43 yep, for the controls, but the microphone doesn't seem to work either Mar 02 09:17:07 cool, will re-read that thread, thanks :) Mar 02 09:17:23 * lardman is stunned at the cost of the WH-700 heaphones Mar 02 09:17:35 but perhaps they are just decent Mar 02 09:18:11 the hs-48 doesn't seem to be listed as being included in the retail package any more (I had to actually find my broken pair and look for the number) Mar 02 09:19:07 * RST38h ended up buying a pair of cheap BT headphones at the AT&T store (horror!) Mar 02 09:19:25 When I used skype when I was on holiday, I even noticed that when inserting a regular headset the mic got disabled too. Mar 02 09:19:47 Theoretically, they are supposed to support A2DP, too bad that none of my devices can stream it Mar 02 09:20:18 Yeah it works fine with a2dp on the GoogleTalk app, but I didn't want to take another charger for my headset Mar 02 09:20:29 not a2dp, hsp of course Mar 02 09:23:50 qwerty12_N800: how was maemo-xkb-plugin? Mar 02 09:23:55 i forgot to include it in images Mar 02 09:26:29 First Moorestown MID announced Mar 02 09:27:37 By LG. Hmm Mar 02 09:28:38 bbl Mar 02 09:47:43 Human being processed by one of our future robotic overlords: http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2009/03/robot-transport-03-01-09.jpg =) Mar 02 10:03:07 A little quick hack to play/pause the built-in media player with headphones button: http://pastebin.com/d790c7f28 Mar 02 10:03:55 This probably works only with wired (bundled) headphones, not bt ones Mar 02 10:04:25 Tried with N95 headphones which had many nice buttons, but they produce no signals. :/ Mar 02 10:05:11 inz: can you attach that piece of code to https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1553 ? Mar 02 10:07:24 andre, I can, although I don't see it too useful as the bug is fixed in fremantle (and won't be in diablo) Mar 02 10:07:48 but there's people subscribed interested in this for diablo... Mar 02 10:07:58 andre, dat be true Mar 02 10:08:10 * andre__ just trying to keep information in one place for the sake of easy sharing Mar 02 10:08:14 andre, but still, it would probably be better to package and release the package Mar 02 10:08:29 andre, but I'll post there as-is, maybe the package comes later. Mar 02 10:11:18 andre, there he goes. Mar 02 10:11:54 cool. thanks! Mar 02 10:12:08 well, maybe someone picks it up. hence the sharing :) Mar 02 10:16:25 I can surely package it myself, just didn't have the time atm Mar 02 10:17:46 *sigh* does dpkg-buildpackage always rebuild from scratch? Mar 02 10:18:09 jeremiah_: s/freemantle/fremantle/g :> Mar 02 10:18:13 you forgot --no-clobber :) Mar 02 10:18:20 just waited an hour for webkit to build, then it complained about the missing Maintainer field in debian/control, and now it's starting again :-( Mar 02 10:18:24 (i always think of free willy when i hear fremantle, not sure why.) Mar 02 10:18:39 hannesw: you can always -nc but it's not good :P Mar 02 10:19:05 Stskeeps: thanks, will use it next time Mar 02 10:19:40 hannesw, I usually use fakeroot debian/rules binary when I don't want to build from scratch Mar 02 10:20:30 Oops. Thanks Stskeeps. Always embarassing when you don't spell an Australian wind correctly. Mar 02 10:20:41 thanks, inz. Mar 02 10:22:40 jeremiah_: i really wonder why we even say fremantle since in would be even more efficient to say maemo 5 :P Mar 02 10:23:02 heh, good point. Mar 02 10:23:16 Well, every project has to have a 'code name' Mar 02 10:23:25 * Stskeeps used to have codenames for his releases too but gave up on it Mar 02 10:23:31 (in a former project) Mar 02 10:24:01 jeremiah: btw, do your responsibilities also include light changes to packages, like hildonization, making "right button" functionality work etc? Mar 02 10:24:14 Though it can be useful when you get (version 5.4.1.1) Mar 02 10:24:25 Sts: If you say maemo 5, there will be an instant controversy over maemo vs Maemo :) Mar 02 10:25:10 RST38h: Happy to help if I can, my repsonsibilities are not defined to prevent me. Though my knowledge of hildon might be a stumbling block. Mar 02 10:25:53 jeremiah: I don't think it is THAT involved, basically just swapping an icon bar and moving the menu :) Mar 02 10:26:12 RST38h: Sounds fun actually. :) Mar 02 10:27:54 jeremiah: if that is something you consider part of the job, there is a bunch of GTK/Gnome desktop programs just waiting to be hildonized and packaged properly Mar 02 10:28:01 jeremiah_, your N810 is coming with a taser colar. You'll need to put on the colar in order to activate the tablet. Any future mistakes will be corrected with a small 50,000 volt shock. :D Mar 02 10:28:16 w00t! Mar 02 10:28:31 Just what I need to wake up and concentrate - a taser blast Mar 02 10:28:33 GeneralAntilles: s/colar/collar/ ;-) Mar 02 10:28:33 jeremiah: The most obvious ones that come to mind are Qalculate and RoxFiler (qwerty12 has them compiled but not packaged and not in extras) Mar 02 10:28:54 * GeneralAntilles zzzzzttzzzzzzsssszsssttt Mar 02 10:33:53 AAIIIIIEEEEEE! Mar 02 10:34:21 RST38h: Those defintiely sound like things that should be in maemo. Mar 02 10:37:47 what's the proper way to uninstall scratchbox on ubuntu? Mar 02 10:38:47 jeremiah: there is plenty of GTK/Gnome packages that are simple and small enough to fit on the tablet but need a few small UI changes Mar 02 10:39:25 * RST38h 's personal request is of course LinuxDC++ (also compiled by qwerty12 but having UI problems) Mar 02 10:41:05 Is anyone interested in a packaged headphonebutton-daemon? Mar 02 10:41:54 Maybe if it had support for canola too; does canola have a D-Bus API (or does it use osso media server?) Mar 02 10:42:53 inz: Is it a good idea to run it as a daemon though? Mar 02 10:44:08 RST, where should it be integrated then? (I kept it raw D-Bus to keep fingerprint as small as possible) Mar 02 10:45:04 RST, a status bar plugin would also be possible, but who'd like to waste one slot for such Mar 02 10:50:21 inz: i'm interested in packaging help ;) Mar 02 10:50:44 inz: ideally, it would have to run and quit together with the media player Mar 02 10:51:20 RST, I can think two ways of doing that, neither of which are any good Mar 02 10:51:45 "Guinea-Bissau president 'killed in clash between rival soldiers'" <--- got in the way =) Mar 02 10:51:46 Patch DSME or something? Mar 02 10:51:49 inz: yea :( Mar 02 10:52:00 General: There are simpler ways but still not good Mar 02 10:52:23 RST, 1) create _another_ daemon that listens for start events and handles starting, and 2) dpkg-divert media engine start binary and replace with a script that does some magic Mar 02 10:52:41 inz: I was thinking about #2 but it is ugly Mar 02 10:52:48 RST, indeed it is Mar 02 10:53:45 http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Releases/0.9 <- new mer release Mar 02 10:53:58 *graah* my laptop really hates the uni's WLAN... Mar 02 10:54:11 I get at least one crash / day Mar 02 10:54:23 'tis really annoying Mar 02 10:55:30 Some VPN software? Mar 02 10:57:14 ugh Mar 02 10:57:25 this esxi box is xfering at 6.3MB/s Mar 02 10:57:26 wtf Mar 02 10:57:38 i don't even know why... maybe it's the switch.. or the shuttle box Mar 02 10:57:49 but 6.2MB/s is like... 100mbit speed Mar 02 10:58:05 nah, that's 11-12mb/s :P Mar 02 10:58:10 haha Mar 02 10:58:13 this is horrible Mar 02 10:58:20 but it's the only practical way i can do this Mar 02 10:59:06 * Myrtti cries in desperation Mar 02 10:59:10 today isn't my day Mar 02 10:59:46 * Stskeeps makes Myrtti a calming cup of tea Mar 02 11:00:32 RST, nope, just some enterprise WPA Mar 02 11:00:35 grr, maemo mapper keeps crashing. is there a way from GUI to check why? Mar 02 11:01:42 and will the device work fine if i symlink /usr/ to internal flash? Mar 02 11:02:04 doubt it Mar 02 11:02:31 how do i install scummvm games then :) Mar 02 11:03:29 thresh, Mar 02 11:03:31 ~boot-sd Mar 02 11:03:32 it has been said that boot-sd is https://wiki.maemo.org/Booting_from_a_flash_card Mar 02 11:03:50 looks more like a workaround. thank you though. Mar 02 11:03:59 thresh: nah, not a workaround, it is the way to do it Mar 02 11:04:11 and the one most people use :P Mar 02 11:05:16 Symlinking /usr is a workaround. Mar 02 11:06:01 right, i was more thinking of "after boot" unionfs Mar 02 11:06:42 hm Mar 02 11:06:45 ~seen Meizirkki Mar 02 11:06:46 meizirkki was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 8d 20h 32m 49s ago, saying: 'Stskeeps: cx3110x working on 770 with 2.6.28 ??'. Mar 02 11:06:51 hmm. Mar 02 11:08:57 thresh, there's no advantage Mar 02 11:09:05 thresh: no unionfs :P Mar 02 11:09:20 The NAND is small, slow (JFFS2), and tossing in the card kills battery life and adds failure points. Mar 02 11:09:32 Booting from SD is faster and gives you a bootable backup. Mar 02 11:09:47 makes sense Mar 02 11:15:16 ooh. Mar 02 11:15:19 is it alpha day today? Mar 02 11:15:25 * Stskeeps just saw pool/ Mar 02 11:15:25 :P Mar 02 11:16:11 Oh, nice catch. Mar 02 11:17:09 Where's yerga with the screenshots? Mar 02 11:17:33 whoa whoa Mar 02 11:17:34 rx71 Mar 02 11:17:58 * andre__ still waits for the announcement itself Mar 02 11:18:45 Stskeeps, this is where they announce they're dropping Symbian. :P Mar 02 11:19:57 haha Mar 02 11:22:07 is sdcard booting really faster? Mar 02 11:23:13 hahlo, depending on your card Mar 02 11:23:18 and mostly because it's not a compressed filesystem Mar 02 11:23:19 But, yes. Mar 02 11:24:05 And SD cards can be a lot faster than the internal flash card. Mar 02 11:24:29 oh cool didn't know that thought the opposite Mar 02 11:25:03 Stskeeps, seriously, WTF is RX-71? Mar 02 11:25:27 a mazda? Mar 02 11:25:31 * timelE61i yells fire and asks people to change the subject Mar 02 11:25:58 lbt, -1 Mar 02 11:26:12 hi qgil Mar 02 11:26:12 http://maemo.org/news/announcements/maemo_5_alpha_sdk_released/ Mar 02 11:26:19 Hehe, this is where Nokia shuts down Maemo SW and ships all of its engineers off to the moon. Mar 02 11:26:32 All 3 of them Mar 02 11:26:45 yay, announcement Mar 02 11:26:49 Hi, qgil, kernel sources looks fun again. :) Mar 02 11:26:56 qgil: oooh Mar 02 11:27:17 * timelE61i notes that the lawyers complained about them over lunch :) Mar 02 11:27:33 qgil: yeah, caught it 10 minutes ago :> Mar 02 11:28:17 timelE61i, I say we print them out and launch them out of a cannon at them. ;) Mar 02 11:28:35 and now time for me to lunch, I'vbe got 60" before the cantine closes Mar 02 11:28:42 I'll be back here after that Mar 02 11:28:57 30min Mar 02 11:29:23 Take an n810 and chat over lunch ;) Mar 02 11:29:54 ooh. vibra API Mar 02 11:29:56 Hey, sts, you volunteered to test something for me Mar 02 11:30:08 (new deb) Mar 02 11:30:17 We know what Stskeeps is gonna do with that. :P Mar 02 11:30:47 timelE61i: running a 30 min test on flashable Mer and it hasn't crashed yet, but after that and calming my nerves with coffee Mar 02 11:30:48 I'm told you aren't supposed to engage in extended use Mar 02 11:30:52 then sure Mar 02 11:31:00 http://maemo.org/development/sdks/maemo5_alpha_release_notes/ <- 404 Mar 02 11:31:00 btw Mar 02 11:31:33 ooh. Mar 02 11:31:34 OHM Mar 02 11:32:05 Stskeeps: Rights issue, will be fixed. Mar 02 11:32:08 yOur timing for releasing 0.9 is unfortunate ;) Mar 02 11:32:25 Stskeeps, 0.10 or 1.0? ;) Mar 02 11:32:26 When do we get 0.10 ;? Mar 02 11:32:35 timelE61i: No it is not. Now 1.0 can have all the fremantle goodies? :) Mar 02 11:32:46 Or 0.10 Mar 02 11:32:52 Read the announce Mar 02 11:33:06 The alpha doesn't have all the goodies Mar 02 11:33:22 timelE61i: no, it was a good time really Mar 02 11:33:44 Oooh, Stskeeps, where do you recognize that Hildon layout from? ;) Mar 02 11:33:53 kulve: new alpha has stuff in xserver-xorg-video-fbdev Mar 02 11:33:55 New UI doesn't show well in screenshots. Mar 02 11:34:17 GeneralAntilles: Those screenshots look like teasers to me ;) Mar 02 11:34:19 new ui isn't really coming Mar 02 11:34:28 (in alpha) Mar 02 11:34:39 It's a secret :) Mar 02 11:34:53 timelE61i: no, but the code is there Mar 02 11:34:57 The announcement should explain Mar 02 11:35:00 The alpha doesn't have the full new UI. But at least the sidebar is now officially gone. Mar 02 11:35:24 Sts: i think it's semi-stubbed Mar 02 11:35:31 mmk Mar 02 11:35:43 * timelE61i tries to figure out why to poke roope Mar 02 11:36:23 (and how and where) Mar 02 11:36:39 From the alpha version, at least. :) Mar 02 11:37:24 OK, I'm bored with the UI. Mar 02 11:37:28 * GeneralAntilles pokes around in sources some. Mar 02 11:37:59 * timelE61i ponders trying to xref the sources Mar 02 11:38:31 btw why doesn't /news/ show 5a sdk? Mar 02 11:38:36 ga: The UI is missing some quite important pieces. Mar 02 11:38:41 (it's in Latest items) Mar 02 11:38:53 roope, thus, the boredom. :) Mar 02 11:38:56 Roope: which don't work ;-? Mar 02 11:39:11 timelE61i: Needs 3 votes. Mar 02 11:39:19 "usb: musb: remove charger sysfs entry on failure path." Mar 02 11:39:20 And an hourly cron.. Mar 02 11:39:28 It has 7hearts Mar 02 11:39:34 Please kick cron Mar 02 11:39:39 Cron runs just about now. Mar 02 11:39:52 roope, is the ui based in clutter or is that a themed up gtk? Mar 02 11:40:02 great its out btw :D Mar 02 11:40:21 ui isn't out ;) Mar 02 11:40:29 its "out" Mar 02 11:40:33 "Desktop edit mode" Mar 02 11:40:35 damn brb Mar 02 11:40:38 finally, lockable applets again? Mar 02 11:40:38 :P Mar 02 11:40:44 Sts: yes Mar 02 11:40:55 Good luck unlocking them ;) Mar 02 11:41:09 lcuk: it uses clutter for certain things, but it's not fully in clutter. Mar 02 11:41:35 oh brother Mar 02 11:41:47 That error i saw @qgil's desk was real Mar 02 11:41:51 X-fade? Mar 02 11:42:09 timelE61i: Yep? Mar 02 11:42:12 Can you fix the whitespace near the two links at the bottom of the announcement? Mar 02 11:42:23 The first has a space before comma Mar 02 11:42:25 * GeneralAntilles tries to figure out which model numbers he's already seen. . . . Mar 02 11:42:32 The second has space in link Mar 02 11:43:24 (release notes*, *source code repository) Mar 02 11:44:07 New WLAN chipset Mar 02 11:44:10 WL1271 Mar 02 11:44:20 auto rotation stuff looked interesting Mar 02 11:44:23 vs WL1251 Mar 02 11:44:27 andre: i'm assuming 3752 is a dupe of 3592 Mar 02 11:44:38 whoa Mar 02 11:44:40 Stskeeps: oh, I need to check it Mar 02 11:44:40 an actual changelogf Mar 02 11:44:47 roope, cool ill take a look later :) Mar 02 11:44:50 Lockable applets, yes. :) Mar 02 11:44:56 WL1271 supports n. Mar 02 11:45:26 roope: after i saw it on my newly acquired 770, i knew i wanted it :P Mar 02 11:46:14 timelE61i, might be, but i'm not sure. if you feel safe go ahead. you know the code :) Mar 02 11:46:48 * RST38h gets a feeling there is a new Fremantle Alpha out Mar 02 11:46:51 As the release notes say, the new status area is also missing from this version. Mar 02 11:46:53 just reading summaries Mar 02 11:46:54 Looks like the WL1271 is a single-chip WiFi/Bluetooth/FM tx+rx solution. Mar 02 11:47:00 Stskeeps: damn the repository.maemo.org seems slow.. Mar 02 11:47:06 Dude! Mar 02 11:47:06 Gan: sounds right Mar 02 11:47:16 Woo, power saving. Mar 02 11:47:16 It's out! Mar 02 11:47:32 moo wazd Mar 02 11:47:44 URL? Mar 02 11:47:46 wazd, it's boring. ;) Mar 02 11:47:55 http://maemo.org/news/announcements/maemo_5_alpha_sdk_released/ Mar 02 11:48:01 !!! thanks Mar 02 11:48:12 Hello world :) Mar 02 11:48:18 RST38h: hola) Mar 02 11:48:43 screenshots kinda dont impress Mar 02 11:48:51 * timelE61i ponders Mar 02 11:49:04 how big is the sdk? Mar 02 11:49:12 Does it fit into 700mb? Mar 02 11:49:25 Hm, too many TLAs Mar 02 11:49:27 PVR and DSS? Mar 02 11:49:40 PowerVR, .. DSS not sure Mar 02 11:49:45 "* DSS: Added support to change TV standard" Mar 02 11:49:48 Ah, right, duh. Mar 02 11:49:54 I guess DSS is the video out? Mar 02 11:50:27 GeneralAntilles: interesting fact: GLES libs actually come with SDK in maemo-explicit (not the name now) Mar 02 11:51:19 "Add LIRC support for RX51 CIR" Mar 02 11:51:45 infrared? wtf Mar 02 11:51:50 Seems like it. Mar 02 11:51:50 TV channel switching from your device :) Mar 02 11:51:58 CIR is receiving though Mar 02 11:51:59 Hello universal remote. ;) Mar 02 11:52:03 .. i think Mar 02 11:52:12 Stskeeps: No. Consumer IR.. Mar 02 11:52:19 ah Mar 02 11:52:25 does mer's ssh support port forwarding? Mar 02 11:53:11 * timelE61i is getting an error: channel_setup_fwd_listener: cannot listen to port 6022 Mar 02 11:53:41 Looks like Canola :) Mar 02 11:53:43 the token system for nokia-binaries is neat :P Mar 02 11:53:57 ? Mar 02 11:54:47 http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/eula/index.php Mar 02 11:56:05 * GeneralAntilles has consumed. Mar 02 11:56:13 Time to wait for Yerga to post some more interesting screenshots. Mar 02 11:56:44 bad background selection, frm PR point of view Mar 02 11:57:07 * GeneralAntilles would've recommended including a little more glitz for your first UI release if you were going to delay anyway. Mar 02 11:58:44 Rst: it was the bg we had one week Mar 02 11:58:49 Somebody needs to drop a link in there for Mar 02 11:58:55 * Stskeeps wonders idly who decided hald-addon-bme-dev should be a nokia-binaries package Mar 02 11:58:57 It changes randomly every couple of weeks Mar 02 11:59:33 Do we have a UI for h-a-m? Mar 02 11:59:55 This version moved from gcc3 to gcc4 Mar 02 11:59:59 hildon-home is new. Mar 02 12:00:02 Well, looks like it will have massive shortcuts menu Mar 02 12:00:11 iphone-like Mar 02 12:00:27 wazd: Canola like, I think Mar 02 12:00:42 for some reason, ffmpeg is removed..hmmm Mar 02 12:01:27 ga: it's not really intended to wow yet. I'd guess the grays are there on purpose. Mar 02 12:01:50 What the hell is a "Blues library" Mar 02 12:02:07 Muddy Waters? Mar 02 12:02:20 Somebody really should've proofed the release notes. Mar 02 12:02:26 RST38h: tat's even worse :) Mar 02 12:02:54 * GeneralAntilles wonders why vibra and orientation need to be closed. Mar 02 12:03:06 Nice, closed source location API. Mar 02 12:03:53 Woo, new @maemo.org address, too. Mar 02 12:04:24 open sores spread diseases Mar 02 12:04:43 you wouldnt want that with a vibrator Mar 02 12:06:01 blues? maybe bluez? Mar 02 12:06:19 Yeah, they meant BlueZ Mar 02 12:06:31 But, I mean, look at the state of those release notes. . . . Mar 02 12:07:23 hey, we listed the bug IDs at least! :-P Mar 02 12:07:55 Links would've been nice. Mar 02 12:08:45 copy of internal database wouldv been even better :P Mar 02 12:09:02 I wonder, where's the statusbar Mar 02 12:09:35 sigh Mar 02 12:09:40 sfil_li_modified_earlier Mar 02 12:10:25 wazd: release doesn't have the status bar, desktop edit mode or the task switching. Mar 02 12:11:00 roope: cool) Mar 02 12:11:31 * Stskeeps is probably going to adopt some of the libraries but not UI just yet Mar 02 12:11:51 X-Fade, ping? Mar 02 12:14:19 GeneralAntilles, hmm. i provided links. hopefully next time :-/ Mar 02 12:14:44 Asshole bug of the week: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4170 Mar 02 12:15:55 ga: perhaps you could provide a link to the release notes you are referring to. :p Mar 02 12:16:09 Ah, it's in the URL field anyway Mar 02 12:16:11 roope, that's why there's a URL field. ;) Mar 02 12:16:11 My bad. Mar 02 12:16:18 I just read the bugs. :) Mar 02 12:16:22 Though it, admittedly, isn't clickable. Mar 02 12:18:18 i wonder how to resolve that one Mar 02 12:18:34 RESOLVED REPORTERISANASSHOLE Mar 02 12:18:47 GeneralAntilles: Pong Mar 02 12:19:11 X-Fade, https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4169 Mar 02 12:20:54 GeneralAntilles: Is that the one that Timeless fixed? Mar 02 12:21:18 back from lunch and indeed they close at 14h Mar 02 12:21:20 GeneralAntilles: The one that is in use at maemo.org, but not on bugs yet for instance? Mar 02 12:21:44 X-Fade, that's the one I managed to dig up and put on the trademarks page. Mar 02 12:21:47 I dunno what version it is. Mar 02 12:21:56 it's good to release things on an IRC channel Mar 02 12:21:57 It was way more work than it should've been to collect what I managed to. Mar 02 12:22:00 not a single postive comment :) Mar 02 12:22:27 qgil: At least you get honest feedback? Mar 02 12:22:32 qgil, we're negative by nature. ;) Mar 02 12:22:35 sure, I'm not complaining Mar 02 12:22:55 I'm happy we got the most detailed release notes done ever Mar 02 12:22:59 Take it as a complement that people care as much as they do to complain in detail. ;) Mar 02 12:23:38 about the UI, the objective of this alpha *SDK* release was to provide the full API, the full UI is secondary at this point Mar 02 12:24:13 qgil, yeah, my thought was that since it was delayed anyway, you might as well delay it to the point where it shows well. Mar 02 12:24:15 (and I hope this time ITt catches the news at least) Mar 02 12:24:23 Otherwise there's not much point in delaying at all. Mar 02 12:24:37 Anyway, congratulations, Maemo SW, here's to a fantastic 1.0 release. :) Mar 02 12:24:46 what do you mean, making app developers wait n weeks before they can start porting and coding? Mar 02 12:25:19 ga: SDK doesn't try to be an advertisement. Mar 02 12:25:32 qgil, the argument I always heard for delaying the UI up until this point was that it would get bad press if released too early. Mar 02 12:25:34 There are separate mechanisms for that. Mar 02 12:25:37 have you noticed the kernel version change and other significant upgrades? Mar 02 12:25:45 it's not that we were delaying just for the fun of it Mar 02 12:25:51 qgil, I noticed a new model number. ;) Mar 02 12:26:25 the UI released is the UI needed for app developers to see how their apps behave *really* in Fremantle Mar 02 12:27:01 the UI missing is the one users will see when booting, switching apps and so on, not crucial for developers Mar 02 12:27:10 yeah, what i tried seems like a good developer base for that Mar 02 12:27:31 also this alpha is real food for Mer Mar 02 12:28:07 *nod* trying to grab a overview currently Mar 02 12:28:17 (combined with the corresponding Beagle release that will come in few days) Mar 02 12:28:59 if Mer gets the content of this alpha running on OMAP2 then you know you have done the most complicated part Mar 02 12:29:04 Is hildon-home separating the applets from h-d? Mar 02 12:29:17 qgil: so far it seems like we can get many things going at least Mar 02 12:29:20 Yes. Mar 02 12:29:26 GeneralAntilles: yes, and i absolutely love that Mar 02 12:29:30 + notification plugins. Mar 02 12:29:39 Stskeeps, yeah, no more applets killing the desktop. Mar 02 12:30:09 GeneralAntilles: http://maemo.org/development/sdks/maemo5_alpha_overview/ Mar 02 12:30:11 GeneralAntilles: also, we don't have to rely on it being h-d new Mar 02 12:30:59 qgil: any progress on the 3rd party HW stuff btw? (again, apologies for the whole turmoil in that thread :P) Mar 02 12:31:03 * GeneralAntilles adds the new icons to his icon collection. Mar 02 12:33:06 addressbook_sim_contacts_group.png Mar 02 12:33:48 Stskeeps: yes, I have to answer you properly on that Mar 02 12:33:49 * Stskeeps starts grabbing diffs Mar 02 12:34:18 qgil: Does the menu behaves canola like?) Mar 02 12:34:19 Stskeeps: basically ok for Nokia owned, let's discuss with TI what is TI related and really complicated for Adobe, Skype and etc Mar 02 12:34:42 wazd: which menu? Mar 02 12:34:53 qgil: http://static.maemo.org/static/m/Maemo5_alpha_SDK_ApplicationMenu.png Mar 02 12:35:04 qgil: yep, i don't care much for the flash stuff - Skype & Gizmo: they actually point to the Nokia .installs from skype.com and gizmo5.com point to the .deb Mar 02 12:35:05 install the sdk and see for yourself Mar 02 12:35:08 :) Mar 02 12:35:15 qgil: thanks Mar 02 12:35:22 Hum, 128x128 alarm on icon. Mar 02 12:35:43 I haven't used Canola for a while wazd Mar 02 12:36:26 qgil: I have never used linux :) Mar 02 12:36:35 No stylus keyboard? Mar 02 12:36:37 Interesting Mar 02 12:36:40 qwerty12_N800, sorry. :P Mar 02 12:36:53 Better figure out how to type with your thumbs pronto. Mar 02 12:37:01 GeneralAntilles: damn Mar 02 12:37:09 Is the fullscreen keyboard open source? Mar 02 12:38:36 btw, if you find closed stuff that you think it should be open, now it's a good time to file enhancement requests Mar 02 12:38:44 with reasoning etc Mar 02 12:38:46 locationapi, and map provider - is there an api for bringing up a localized map? Mar 02 12:39:03 Keyboard would perhaps be a good candidate. I could imagine somebody doing stuff for it. Mar 02 12:39:06 New layouts etc. Mar 02 12:39:08 The home-grown location API that Nokia decided to use instead of the nice open source one. :\ Mar 02 12:39:45 Bad case of NIH Mar 02 12:39:53 Morning Mar 02 12:40:02 GeneralAntilles: I'm not sure it's a case of NIH Mar 02 12:40:05 * lcuk wouldnt mind being able to get a glyph of location from ovi Mar 02 12:40:35 (be even better if the mapping api could be available without having to reinvent service Mar 02 12:41:05 GeneralAntilles: i'm not entirely sure there are any good OSS location APIs really Mar 02 12:41:15 GeoClue? Mar 02 12:41:27 Symbian is what's to blame here, though. :\ Mar 02 12:41:52 GeneralAntilles, ? Mar 02 12:41:54 GeneralAntilles: first problem: no transforms between coordinate system Mar 02 12:41:54 :P Mar 02 12:42:26 only a problem for interplanetary mapping Mar 02 12:42:28 lcuk, Nokia's using their own setup because of ovi, and Symbian. Mar 02 12:43:06 they are most likely using it because its there and available and tested and works? Mar 02 12:43:28 No, it's too new to be that. Mar 02 12:43:55 lcuk: interplantetary.. did you look at the amount of coordinate systems with global positions? heh :P Mar 02 12:44:15 GeneralAntilles: can it be that GeoClue covers only a portion if what the Maemo API covers? I don't know myself in detail Mar 02 12:44:19 yeah i know, but i thought we have kinda centred on long/lat Mar 02 12:44:43 lcuk: yeah.. you would think so, but trust me :P there's a difference to what google maps has in coordinates and GPS, etc :P Mar 02 12:44:57 qgil, I'd rather see Nokia drop another $500k and 3 developers into another open source project to make it do what they want. ;) Mar 02 12:45:07 X-Fade: How does one change the default 'description' file in gitweb? Mar 02 12:45:13 A git push is not doing it. Mar 02 12:45:31 jeremiah_: Edit that welcome file? Mar 02 12:45:49 X-Fade: Did that. Didn't work. Mar 02 12:46:01 The description file in in the .git dir. Mar 02 12:46:14 One would have to log on and hack on it directly. Mar 02 12:46:15 * Stskeeps pushes libhildon from 5.0alpha to builder Mar 02 12:46:22 jeremiah_: Maybe it takes a while because of a cron job? Mar 02 12:46:31 Maybe. Mar 02 12:46:37 qgil, OK, so no issue if I go in and correct the release notes? Mar 02 12:46:44 But the welcome file is updated immediately. Mar 02 12:48:05 X-Fade: All the description files remain un-edited: Mar 02 12:48:08 https://git.maemo.org/projects/maemian/gitweb Mar 02 12:48:29 I suppose one can login to the repo directly - but that might not be allowed. Mar 02 12:48:49 jeremiah_: I'd give it some more time. Mar 02 12:49:05 GeneralAntilles: of course not, and apologies Mar 02 12:49:35 qgil, more than happy to do it but I like to avoid messing with Nokia content on maemo.org. ;) Mar 02 12:50:42 GeneralAntilles: and me too, but unstable releases are more maemo.org than Nokia Mar 02 12:50:45 X-Fade: I don't see how a cron job can be doing anything since you have to push the desc. file into the repo - and git does not see that as a file it is tracking. Mar 02 12:51:08 jeremiah_: That gitweb list is exported. Mar 02 12:51:35 if the chairman of the maemo.org community council is afraid to edit documents on maemo.org what does that say about the rest of us :P Mar 02 12:51:59 proposal for a deal: I send en email to maemo-developers about the alpha targeted to those that survive being subcribed there and not following maemo.org... Mar 02 12:52:09 ... and someone does the same in ITt for the same type of cases Mar 02 12:52:55 ehlo, qgil Mar 02 12:55:37 lcuk, it means Nokia hasn't quite exfiltrated from maemo.org. ;) Mar 02 12:55:50 hi RST38h Mar 02 12:56:25 by the way, https://garage.maemo.org/projects/osso-xterm/ contains the Fremantle code too, the project moves to open development and Gabriel is happy getting patches and even contributors getting involved in the project Mar 02 12:57:52 Gabriel needs some face time with the community. Mar 02 12:59:09 GeneralAntilles: I guess her wife has a similar sentence Mar 02 13:00:01 GeneralAntilles: do you know Gabriel? Maintainer of the pidgin port for Maemo Mar 02 13:00:02 jEremiah: yeah, gitweb sucks, requires direct repo access Mar 02 13:00:09 Hehe, it's tough to foster collaboration when nobody in the community knows who the people involved Nokia-side are. Mar 02 13:00:40 http://maemo.org/profile/view/nix_nix/ = Gabriel Mar 02 13:00:40 qgil, not knowingly. Mar 02 13:01:03 Actually, I may have poked about packaging once. Mar 02 13:01:17 he's around Mar 02 13:01:19 * timelE61i walks Mar 02 13:01:20 * GeneralAntilles stills needs a h-a-m update so he can spam the Extras maintainers again. :( Mar 02 13:01:51 * timelE61i grabs a badge or risks getting trapped Mar 02 13:02:44 Pronoun hell: Thereupon, he is given access to the Nokia binaries repository by providing him/her a specific token. Mar 02 13:02:47 Hi, etrunko. Mar 02 13:03:28 gan: that page wasn't reviewed by me :) Mar 02 13:03:37 timelE61i, clearly. :P Mar 02 13:03:40 Must be *fi-lawyer Mar 02 13:03:54 One of the worst dialects imaginable Mar 02 13:04:19 Gan: meet nix Mar 02 13:04:21 naah, that doesn't resemble finnish word order Mar 02 13:04:25 He works on osso xterm Mar 02 13:04:32 * GeneralAntilles waves! :) Mar 02 13:04:33 Nix, meet generalantilles Mar 02 13:04:34 I think it's en_IN Mar 02 13:05:00 hya GeneralAntilles Mar 02 13:05:03 <_|Nix|_> Hi! Mar 02 13:05:06 <_|Nix|_> What's up? Mar 02 13:05:16 <_|Nix|_> I gotta restart irssi in a screen ... Mar 02 13:05:17 <_|Nix|_> BRB Mar 02 13:05:26 "The token is for personal use only and may not be further distributed or disclosed." can I just drop "further"? Mar 02 13:05:43 may is wrong Mar 02 13:06:00 And yes, please Mar 02 13:06:24 hmm, new SDK? Mar 02 13:06:38 cannot implies that it's impossible to distribute or disclose. Mar 02 13:06:39 The token is only for your personal use -- DO NOT DISTRIBUTE IN ANY WAY Mar 02 13:06:52 That works Mar 02 13:07:08 <_|Nix|_> OK. Here we go. Mar 02 13:07:08 Maybe include an extra IT near the end Mar 02 13:07:11 <_|Nix|_> What's up? Mar 02 13:07:24 _|Nix|_: post-SDK release chatter Mar 02 13:07:36 <_|Nix|_> Aha ... Mar 02 13:07:40 Nix: btw, do you watch your bugs.maemo.org component? Mar 02 13:07:41 <_|Nix|_> Something about osso-xterm? Mar 02 13:07:43 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=268245 Mar 02 13:07:59 <_|Nix|_> Not particularly closely. Mar 02 13:08:17 i hate to say it qgil, but one of the images reminds me to much of canola for my liking... Mar 02 13:08:28 Would someone walk nix through using user watching? Mar 02 13:08:55 t_s_o: try the sdk and then we talk Mar 02 13:09:00 <_|Nix|_> timelE61i: The problem is that, if it ends up sending me an email, it's not gonna be particularly effective. Mar 02 13:09:08 qgil: noted Mar 02 13:09:30 nix: you can setup rss... Mar 02 13:09:40 But yes, user watching =mail Mar 02 13:09:42 btw, is stuff in free supposed to depend on nokia-explicit things? Mar 02 13:09:53 (i can't recall what the rule of thumb is) Mar 02 13:10:36 Can you see http://blogs.forum.nokia.com/blog/kate-alholas-forum-nokia-blog ? Mar 02 13:10:47 (I can't, snif) Mar 02 13:11:03 qgil: Yes. Mar 02 13:11:11 works for me Mar 02 13:11:25 Works here. Mar 02 13:11:43 nokia wall? :) Mar 02 13:13:59 oh, this will go down "well" with some on the forum... Mar 02 13:14:12 ah, now I can see it (Epiphany won't let me, Fireworks will) Mar 02 13:14:24 fireworks? Mar 02 13:14:27 https://www.alwaysinnovating.com/touchbook/gallery.htm Mar 02 13:14:27 maybe X-Fade is right and there is something wrong with my default browser Mar 02 13:14:34 andre__: where would hildon-control-panel bugs go? Mar 02 13:14:50 can't seem to find it in Desktop platform Mar 02 13:15:14 IT REBOOTS! ;_____; Mar 02 13:15:32 https://bugs.maemo.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=Settings%20and%20Maintenance Mar 02 13:15:38 Interesting to see that while the stylus keyboard has been dropped, the stylus scrollbar remains? http://blogs.forum.nokia.com//data/blogs/resources/300003/arora-fremantle-640.png Mar 02 13:15:38 * Myrtti huggles her work laptop Mar 02 13:16:00 Stskeeps, settings and maintenance Mar 02 13:16:02 re Mar 02 13:16:06 X-Fade: OOH cute polarbear Mar 02 13:16:14 ♥ Mar 02 13:16:22 ah, jeremiah_ you see: deb http://qt4.garage.maemo.org/ fremantle extras  Mar 02 13:16:24 GeneralAntilles, andre__ : ta Mar 02 13:16:53 qgil: Bad planning on their part. Mar 02 13:17:08 qgil: Yeah - I was around when X-Fade set it up this morning(ish) Mar 02 13:17:16 * Jaffa sees "post-SDK chatter" in his scrollback. Have I missed something in the last 2 hours? Mar 02 13:17:18 jeremiah_: This is not the repo.. Mar 02 13:17:27 jeremiah_: This is one they created themselves. Mar 02 13:17:36 jeremiah_: As in _BAD_ Mar 02 13:17:40 X-Fade: heh. I knew that, I was just testing you guys. Mar 02 13:18:24 That'd be the alpha SDK then. Mar 02 13:18:26 Damn meetings Mar 02 13:19:43 Bti the Qt port has an "official" garage.maemo.org address. Confusing. Mar 02 13:19:51 s/Bti/But Mar 02 13:20:09 jeremiah_: Any project can upload to their web space? Mar 02 13:20:34 Anybody remember how to do Midgard lists. . . . Mar 02 13:20:37 X-Fade: Does not make it less confusing. ;) Mar 02 13:20:44 how much space do a install of the sdk take up Mar 02 13:20:45 Just because they can, it doesn't mean they should.. Mar 02 13:20:46 ? Mar 02 13:21:49 In fact, aren't there some copyright restrictions? They are calling it qt, which is owned by trolltech, which is owned by Nokia . . . Mar 02 13:21:59 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4171 Mar 02 13:22:03 jeremiah_: It is a Nokia project ;) Mar 02 13:22:23 x-fade: is it tagged? :) Mar 02 13:22:41 X-Fade: Ah, okay! Mar 02 13:24:48 X-Fade, wasnt there similar discussions when the project started because he made it look "too" official Mar 02 13:24:51 with the image or something Mar 02 13:25:18 Anybody know where fremantle-feedback@maemo.org is pointing? Mar 02 13:25:18 * lcuk has a recollection of such things Mar 02 13:25:49 /dev/null Mar 02 13:26:17 lcuk: QT4 will supported in Fremanlte by the community. (Which mostly consists of Nokia team members atm) Mar 02 13:26:46 That is a good thing, no? Mar 02 13:27:03 Yes, basically the same thing as for Python. Mar 02 13:28:19 GeneralAntilles: People responsible for SDK, documentation and testing. Mar 02 13:30:32 ok, i give up Mar 02 13:30:43 How do i find out if a project is "nokia"' Mar 02 13:30:45 GeneralAntilles: fremantle- Mar 02 13:30:55 feedback points to humans like Soumya Mar 02 13:31:17 My real question was, shouldn't it be an @maemo.nokia.com address? Mar 02 13:31:35 ah, good point Mar 02 13:31:36 does maemo.nokia.com exist? Mar 02 13:31:39 But yes Mar 02 13:31:44 well, you have that bug open and assigned to... Soumya :) Mar 02 13:32:03 HTML lists make my eyes bleed. Mar 02 13:32:08 I had reviewed that text a couple of times and didn't thin of it, my bad Mar 02 13:33:49 timelE61i: Projects can tag itself a 'nokia' project. Mar 02 13:34:37 timelE61i: But how would you tag a project which also has community members and is just 'blessed' by Nokia? Mar 02 13:34:58 frankenproject? :P Mar 02 13:35:49 "devilspawn" Mar 02 13:37:01 "curse" Mar 02 13:37:19 I'm pretty sure i'm on record as saying the tagging wouldn't work Mar 02 13:37:28 * timelE61i stands by that position Mar 02 13:37:35 :) Mar 02 13:39:06 Stskeeps: is https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4171 a bug in the alpha or the pre-alpha release? Mar 02 13:39:18 qgil: i just answered :) it's an alpha bug Mar 02 13:39:32 but then you flagged it again as pre-alpha Mar 02 13:39:37 oh ffs Mar 02 13:39:51 we can keep playing tennis if you wish :) Mar 02 13:39:53 changed it back, sorry Mar 02 13:40:08 ok, time to go now Mar 02 13:40:17 Alright, release notes are fixed. Mar 02 13:40:23 wow, thanks! Mar 02 13:41:28 Hum, are these the first complete OMAP3 OpenGL drivers in the wild? Mar 02 13:41:41 i wouldn't say it is completely in the wild when it's nokia-binaries Mar 02 13:42:05 Well, sure. Mar 02 13:42:14 But it's not like you have to sell your soul to ImagTech to get 'em. Mar 02 13:42:31 just to nokia Mar 02 13:42:32 ;) Mar 02 13:42:36 I mean, somebody could use these as-is on a Beagle, right? Mar 02 13:42:45 i guess EULA would be the answer to that Mar 02 13:42:54 and the idea is to be able to develop for maemo5 on beagle so Mar 02 13:42:54 X-Fade, have you gone through the Extras invite queue from the weekend? Mar 02 13:43:10 Stskeeps, well, you don't have to sign anything. ;) Mar 02 13:44:01 GeneralAntilles: Only one left. Not sure if we can trust somebody called 'Nobody'. Mar 02 13:44:17 X-Fade, you get one for Firebird8? Mar 02 13:44:21 Hello ! Mar 02 13:44:38 oh goody, it is going to destroy my browser Mar 02 13:45:51 GeneralAntilles: Nope. Mar 02 13:46:04 Anyone willing to test drive the headphone-clickything-pause-thingmabob: http://inz.fi/hp-btn_0.1.0_armel.deb Mar 02 13:46:39 inz: does it work on mer-vmdk-intel ? :) Mar 02 13:46:51 lcuk, car batteries generally suck at extended low-level drain. Mar 02 13:47:08 timel, "yes" (it will likely start, but do nothing ;) Mar 02 13:47:11 They're designed for intensive short bursts (starter motor) Mar 02 13:47:15 You want a deep-cycle marine battery. ;) Mar 02 13:47:27 timel, 1) there's no blablabla_retu_blablabla to send the events. nor is there a osso-media-server to command Mar 02 13:47:32 GeneralAntilles: and a range rover to go with it.. Mar 02 13:47:33 +2) Mar 02 13:48:52 X-Fade, still need to review the HTML for r.m.o Mar 02 13:49:01 Need some ideas for more useful content to put on there. Mar 02 13:50:44 GeneralAntilles: Ah, just now I received the request ;) Mar 02 13:50:54 X-Fade, told him to refile. Mar 02 13:51:01 Guess something went wrong with the one from Friday. Mar 02 13:51:21 GeneralAntilles: Invited. Mar 02 13:51:25 Thanks! Mar 02 13:51:44 * GeneralAntilles doesn't have to play proxy for PokerTH uploads now. Mar 02 13:52:18 GeneralAntilles: You can send proposed updates for r.m.o to Marcell directly, as he manages it. Mar 02 13:56:15 * khertan want to come back to home to try the new sdk Mar 02 13:56:17 :) Mar 02 13:58:29 awkward question, non-free in repository, that obviously means closed source, but does it also mean non-redistributable? Mar 02 13:58:39 it's not clear what license those are under really Mar 02 13:59:29 Well, they're not behind an EULA Mar 02 14:03:29 what's your icon list btw? Mar 02 14:03:39 Icon list? Mar 02 14:04:32 you mentioned something earlier about you adding some icons to your list or something Mar 02 14:08:40 Ah, the first picture of a Fremantle device on the Planet! =) Mar 02 14:09:00 hehe Mar 02 14:09:06 not first though Mar 02 14:09:07 sec Mar 02 14:09:14 Weird video discoloration. Mar 02 14:09:17 http://maemo-beagle.garage.maemo.org/screenshots.html Mar 02 14:09:32 //maemo-beagle.garage.maemo.org/screenshots.htmlmaemo-beagle.garage.maemo.org/screenshots.html Mar 02 14:09:33 General: This is the video cable problem Mar 02 14:09:43 oops ;) Mar 02 14:09:51 JamieBennett: tsk :) Mar 02 14:09:56 JamieBennett: and i've had that exactly picture long ago on Mer :P Mar 02 14:09:58 General: namely, it has to be loaded with a resistor to the ground I think Mar 02 14:11:04 General: Another possible reason: one end of the cable is not grounded Mar 02 14:11:50 or it s just a compiz/beryl effect with the new so powerfull 3D hardware powered chipset ? Mar 02 14:12:21 khertan: i'm not 100% sure that we really need clutter/GL for this stuff.. Mar 02 14:12:24 khertan, so powerful it just LOOKS like a video defect. Mar 02 14:12:25 re Mar 02 14:12:35 Stskeeps, more later. . . . Mar 02 14:12:41 GeneralAntilles: yeah, probably Mar 02 14:12:43 so, is it pretty then? Mar 02 14:12:53 lardman: i like liqbase better Mar 02 14:12:53 :P Mar 02 14:12:57 more its simple more it s harder to reproduct Mar 02 14:15:27 so it has libical, evolution server Mar 02 14:17:56 Interesting, from changelog: gstreamer0.10-plugins-camera, Removed fake autofocus in v4l2camsrc Mar 02 14:19:04 Mmmm, autofocus shiny. Mar 02 14:19:22 * Jaffa now wants to know what happened to the RX-61 Mar 02 14:19:34 Use hantromp4mux and omx_amrnbenc with gst-camera video recording Mar 02 14:19:49 is that code in the kernel patch? Mar 02 14:24:59 I wonder how the voting software's coming. Mar 02 14:25:15 There is some special voting software? Hm Mar 02 14:25:41 I see there's SMS messaging Mar 02 14:25:50 For STV Mar 02 14:25:56 or at least I assume there is Mar 02 14:27:01 oh Mar 02 14:27:52 "Heh, things are starting to get really interesting. We have RX-71 now in kernel too :-) The keymap looks like there is no full QWERTY keyboard." -- fanoush Mar 02 14:28:12 It's a giant E55 Mar 02 14:28:22 It's a phone! It's a phone! Mar 02 14:28:50 i still go with that the next tablet, is actually a huge land rover running Maemo. Windows Mobile out of cars. Mar 02 14:28:57 Has got a phone dialpad Mar 02 14:29:15 hal changelog: Add support for jack video-out and physical insertion notifications. Mar 02 14:29:20 good good Mar 02 14:29:26 it's a TV set, for sure :-P Mar 02 14:29:31 Nokia TV Mar 02 14:29:39 Sts: no, the next tablet will be made of mud and come with a stylus made of Iggdrasil Mar 02 14:29:48 It's a game consel. Mar 02 14:29:52 console* Mar 02 14:29:56 andre: no, it's a fridge Mar 02 14:30:02 General: No dpad? Mar 02 14:30:03 It's a moon! Mar 02 14:30:05 It's a coffee table book about coffee tables. Mar 02 14:30:12 Ha Mar 02 14:30:24 Nokia Coffee Tablet, the competitor to Microsoft Surface Mar 02 14:30:27 er Mar 02 14:30:30 Coffee Table Mar 02 14:30:41 it's not an internet tablet. it's an internet table. Mar 02 14:30:43 fridge? mmm, finally nokia provides proper icecream support! Mar 02 14:30:51 hope its spill resistant Mar 02 14:30:58 andre__: fridge's are for storing bacon Mar 02 14:31:03 s/'s/s/ Mar 02 14:31:03 Jaffa meant: andre__: fridges are for storing bacon Mar 02 14:31:05 tskity Mar 02 14:31:15 icecream is more important than bacon in such crisis times! Mar 02 14:31:18 Jaffa: All depends on how powerful the IR led is ;) Mar 02 14:31:20 grr, scratchbox gurus? Mar 02 14:31:29 ice crime ? http://www.benjerry.fr/blog/wp-content/uploads/t-shirt-ice-crime-lafraise.jpg Mar 02 14:31:31 ? Mar 02 14:31:32 andre__: *ice* cream tends to melt in fridges ;-) Mar 02 14:31:35 ERROR: Operation not permitted, chroot(/home/thresh/projects/maemo/scratchbox/users/thresh) Mar 02 14:31:38 thresh: not sure there are any left, they probably ended up in a mental institution.. Mar 02 14:31:50 Jaffa, in that case your fridge is broken by design Mar 02 14:32:16 4 degC is what my fridge is set to, the freezer is at -18 degC. Mar 02 14:32:21 my fridge is able to handle icecream Mar 02 14:32:22 What's the melting point of ice cream? Mar 02 14:32:51 I feel this is much more important than me working on an key unit test. Mar 02 14:33:22 andre__, then your fridge is set wrong. :P Mar 02 14:33:24 maybe nokia has a patch for non-melting icecream in 4 degC fridges Mar 02 14:33:30 Or your definition of "ice" cream is funny. Mar 02 14:33:34 give us the source! Mar 02 14:33:45 andre: the source for ice cream? Mar 02 14:33:50 my fridge has a section that is -18 degC Mar 02 14:33:56 yes! Mar 02 14:34:08 That's called a freezer. :P Mar 02 14:34:20 no, it's all a fridge here :-P Mar 02 14:34:24 well Mar 02 14:34:39 We almost shipped internet table tutorial w/ diablo Mar 02 14:35:32 You loose internet table tutorial! Mar 02 14:35:42 GeneralAntilles, having freezers and fridges separately is so 90es! like having both pagers and mobile phones... Mar 02 14:35:58 andre__, it's all one appliance. Mar 02 14:36:29 hi Mar 02 14:37:31 hi Mar 02 14:37:48 anyone know the bluetooth driver name on n800? Mar 02 14:37:51 actually, i can't remember if they fixed it completely Mar 02 14:38:06 Iirc the internal bug tracking component had that name.. Mar 02 14:39:08 is not hci_h4p, true? Mar 02 14:39:31 heh, reminds me of all those "enchantment requests" in b.m.o Mar 02 14:39:50 Awww Mar 02 14:39:55 I wanna be enchanted too Mar 02 14:40:27 * RST38h enchants Jaffa with a 2x4 Mar 02 14:40:34 *rrrrr* Mar 02 14:45:36 Confidential. You are not free to do anything with this package, Mar 02 14:45:36 unless you have a permission from Nokia Oyj. Mar 02 14:45:38 heh, neat Mar 02 14:58:25 Sts: Oyj, sir! Mar 02 14:58:37 or "oyj oyj, sir!" =) Mar 02 14:58:58 RST38h: in dk it's A/S Mar 02 14:59:07 In Sweden it is AB Mar 02 15:00:25 meh. Mar 02 15:01:23 AB Strakt was an awesome company name, but it took me a while to notice Mar 02 15:21:57 btw guys, Thomas Woods "Meltdown" is probably the very top book I recommend at this time. Critically important information and analysis, and it is understandable by non-experts. Mar 02 15:22:00 http://www.amazon.com/Meltdown-Free-Market-Collapsed-Government-Bailouts/dp/1596985879 Mar 02 15:24:23 hey, thought some of you might like to see http://coffeecode.net/archives/187-One-big-library,-one-little-device-Evergreen-staff-client-on-Nokia-N810.html Mar 02 15:24:57 (Evergreen is an open source library system, with HQ at http://open-ils.org) Mar 02 15:33:11 dbs: your spelling of madhava seems to vary a bit from instance to instance :) Mar 02 15:33:39 sp3000: crap, that's what I get for writing past midnight and not fact-checking Mar 02 15:35:58 sp3000: thanks, fixed :) Mar 02 15:36:55 is it possilbe to upgrade from pre alpha2 -> alpha just by running fakeroot apt-get upgrade on both targets ? Mar 02 15:37:25 6922 Mar 02 15:38:47 Stskeeps, maemo-xkb-plugin is bolloxed - the applet gets installed to / Mar 02 15:39:21 GeneralAntilles, haha, I'll be boycotting the next tablet until they bring me back my beloved stylus mode :P (or if it comes with a keyboard, who needs the stylus keyboard?!) Mar 02 15:40:13 RST38h, qalcuate could go into extras if someone wishes to put it there - it was packaged correctly. as for rox filer, have you tested it? Mar 02 15:40:21 * GAN800 is already tired of waiting for UPS. Mar 02 15:41:17 qwerty: jeremiah_ seems to be willing to do the packaging Mar 02 15:41:30 qwerty: ( and he is closer to the autobuilder than us :)) Mar 02 15:41:44 qwerty: with roxfiler, I still need to run it, will get to it tonight Mar 02 15:41:53 RST38h: Yes, I am happy to do the packaging - Mar 02 15:41:58 what am I to package? Mar 02 15:42:01 qalculate is already packaged Mar 02 15:42:10 jeremiah: qalculate from qwerty Mar 02 15:42:23 has to go into extras Mar 02 15:42:34 (although may need cleaning - i'm not the most ethical or knowledgeable packager :)) Mar 02 15:42:40 Aha? So move from Extras-devel -> Extras? Mar 02 15:42:54 qwerty12: No biggie, I will run lintian over it. :) Mar 02 15:43:18 jeremiah: next one in line is either pcmanfm and/or roxfiler Mar 02 15:43:43 jeremiah_, hehe, how's maemian going? :) Mar 02 15:44:01 RST38h, what's wrong with emelfm2 btw? Mar 02 15:44:05 qwerty12: maemian is going pretty well actually. :p Mar 02 15:44:12 wicked :) Mar 02 15:44:14 Thanks for asking. Mar 02 15:44:25 RST38h: Okay, pcmanfm and roxfiler Mar 02 15:44:46 I need to find a way to create some form or public queue and have people add package to it Mar 02 15:45:04 and then I just pop things off the stack as it were. Mar 02 15:45:27 qwerty12: So, qalculate has to go from E-devel to E? Mar 02 15:45:45 jeremiah_, from lardman's repo: http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/nokia770/feed/dists/diablo/main/source/ to -devel :) Mar 02 15:46:08 qwerty12: Alright, cool. I'll download that now. Mar 02 15:46:35 qwerty12: You just want me to check it and then upload to E-devel right? Mar 02 15:46:49 It's not hildonized or anything though, only thing I did was add yerga's fullscreen code to it Mar 02 15:47:00 jeremiah_, well, RST38h does :) Mar 02 15:47:34 Okay, cool. At least I know the scoop. Mar 02 15:52:00 qwerty: emelfm2 is unusable Mar 02 15:52:29 qwerty: shitloads of tiny mysterious buttons, filenames do not fit the screen etc Mar 02 15:52:49 dunno if rox-filer is any better... Mar 02 15:53:01 jeremiah_, is this still a problem for you: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4162 ? Mar 02 15:53:09 jeremiah: Russian n8xx.com has a forum where people request certian packages to be built and the guy who manages forum builds them Mar 02 15:53:39 jeremiah: Would be cool to have something similar, except that resulting packages should be hildonized and placed into Extras (n8xx guy does not hildonize or package) Mar 02 15:54:16 jeremiah; Of course this will only work for packages that do not require extensive work (like AbiWord) and prioritized by popularity of requests Mar 02 15:54:21 also, the guy who has all the spare time to hildonize packages on request could come over here and wash my dishes Mar 02 15:54:47 mgedmin: As I said, stuff that requires LOTS of work can't be processed in this way Mar 02 15:56:34 cheers qwerty12, jeremiah_ Mar 02 15:56:54 VDVsx: Yeah, I think so Mar 02 15:57:05 * lardman needs to sort out a build method for Octave Mar 02 15:57:09 lardman, no problem. Now work on dsp-sbc! (j/k) :P Mar 02 15:57:23 VDVsx: I am now going to try to install SB on a new clean lenny install and test it out. Mar 02 15:57:23 qwerty12: I've updated the bluez-utils for ARM with ssvb's latest patches Mar 02 15:57:34 jeremiah_, I'm having the same with the new SDK :( Mar 02 15:57:43 VDVsx: So maybe I will be in luck and we can isolcate that as an Ubuntu bug Mar 02 15:57:47 qwerty12: yeah, I'll try to roll a DSP version this evening, assuming I can stay awake Mar 02 15:57:59 VDVsx: Hmm - which operating system? Ubuntu or debian? Mar 02 15:58:09 lardman, really? I was only joking, you just got back! :) Mar 02 15:58:10 jeremiah_, ubuntu Mar 02 15:58:17 ;) Mar 02 15:58:27 * lcuk wishes he could install the sdk directly on tablet Mar 02 15:58:36 afternoon globetrotter Mar 02 15:58:46 VDVsx: Yeah, that is where I was having troubles too. Mar 02 15:59:02 hey lcuk Mar 02 15:59:21 RST38h: Yeah, something like that sounds interesting. Mar 02 15:59:24 you managed to not get killed on the roads then Mar 02 15:59:35 no, bloody scary though! Mar 02 15:59:36 RST38h: That is, a public queue Mar 02 15:59:41 * lcuk would not like to drive in india Mar 02 15:59:44 crosing roads is the worst bit Mar 02 15:59:55 yeah, nor me, we were driven around Mar 02 15:59:59 jeremiah_, have exactly the same errors that you had :) , but I'm running "af-sb-init.sh start" Mar 02 16:00:13 lardman, i saw a head on shot someone took recently walking across, scary as hell - cars are just big people Mar 02 16:00:22 VDVsx: I tried that too - same error. Mar 02 16:00:40 VDVsx: If you vote for that error on bugzilla it might get more love. :) Mar 02 16:01:06 lcuk: best bit, I got upgraded to 1st class on the way out :) Mar 02 16:01:27 jeremiah_, voted :) Mar 02 16:01:34 VDVsx: Cool beans Mar 02 16:01:39 ahhh you got an inside seat! Mar 02 16:02:00 lcuk: inside bed, and champagne Mar 02 16:02:13 how the other half live... :) Mar 02 16:02:13 did they treat you as first class though, or were you looked down on as someone just put there to fill it up Mar 02 16:02:27 no, they were none the wiser, the upgrade happened outside Mar 02 16:02:34 yeah, tell holly that she really should buiy 2 1st class tickets next time Mar 02 16:03:04 well it was work, my boss wasn't so impressed that I got the upgrade and he didn't :D Mar 02 16:03:17 actually, its not such a bad hypothosis, they moved you based on your nickanme to distribute the weight ;) Mar 02 16:03:25 oi! Mar 02 16:03:44 * lcuk wafts a double bacon burger at you Mar 02 16:03:49 well they should really have placed me above the main gear, so half way through cattle Mar 02 16:04:02 mmm, have to go and buy some bacon Mar 02 16:04:18 i lasted the whole weekend without any Mar 02 16:04:56 anyone had success running the new fremantle UI inside scratchbox/Ubuntu ? Mar 02 16:04:59 anyway, im gone again. speak later Mar 02 16:05:08 I assume that RX-51 screen will be smaller in diagonal Mar 02 16:05:11 lcuk: cy later Mar 02 16:05:16 VDVsx, not yet, ill be trying later though Mar 02 16:05:36 something like 3.5 inch Mar 02 16:05:54 lcuk, I'm having Xserver bugs :( Mar 02 16:05:54 wazd: No way Mar 02 16:06:04 wazd: you are scaring me Mar 02 16:06:04 RST38h: yep Mar 02 16:06:32 RST38h: http://blogs.forum.nokia.com//data/blogs/resources/300003/arora-fremantle-640.png Mar 02 16:06:45 RST38h: look at the close button - it's super huge) Mar 02 16:07:00 wazd: this does not mean anything Mar 02 16:07:13 wazd: BUT there is something else Mar 02 16:07:29 I've got 10gb left, may as well install the fremantle sdk ontop of my diablo sdk install ;) Mar 02 16:07:37 wazd: The image is 640x406 pixels, 640x360 when you remove Xephyr decorations Mar 02 16:07:53 wazd: So, essentially, we are looking at the Nokia 5800 / N97 display Mar 02 16:08:08 wazd: Funny, isn't it? ;) Mar 02 16:08:13 qwerty12, 3-4gb is fine :) Mar 02 16:08:37 VDVsx, thanks :). My fault for giving the windows partition a bigger size... Mar 02 16:08:38 RST38h: Ah, that's why it looks so cramped Mar 02 16:08:49 * RST38h will be seriously offended if Nokia does it to him Mar 02 16:09:04 There are several explanations possible: Mar 02 16:09:10 RST38h: the Xephyr decorations - and the filename - seriously suggest a post-grab scaling Mar 02 16:09:37 Jaffa: Are they normally unaliased? Mar 02 16:09:41 Yeah, that's been shrunk Mar 02 16:09:45 * RST38h checks out other screenshots Mar 02 16:10:03 The father of one of the child stars of the Oscar-winning film "Slumdog Millionaire" slapped him for refusing to give media interviews, a report said. Mar 02 16:10:09 RST38h: no, they'd be antialiasded, but that's been antialiased and scaled, see the fuzzing on the body text and teh rendering of the underlines in the "Downloads" box Mar 02 16:10:23 Cute Mar 02 16:10:39 Jaffa: I just hope so... Mar 02 16:12:53 RST38h: yep, that too. So it will be 3.5") Mar 02 16:14:32 qwerty12, my fremantle installation takes 3.6 Gb (dev packages + nokia binaries) Mar 02 16:15:01 VDVsx, cool, sounds reasonable Mar 02 16:15:18 I've started the sbox install, waiting on apt-get Mar 02 16:15:44 qwerty12: Are you installing it on Ubuntu / Intrepid? Mar 02 16:15:52 qwerty12, I have only extra packages in the armel target Mar 02 16:16:07 jeremiah_, yeah, although I use a kernel from hardy Mar 02 16:16:14 I'll be interested to see if you get that Xephyr error. Mar 02 16:16:29 jeremiah_, I just check and my old SDK works fine Mar 02 16:16:30 I think it is bug #4162 Mar 02 16:16:44 yep Mar 02 16:17:32 BTW, do you guys want to build the package under Fremantle, (presuming I can get that to work) or the diablo SDK? Mar 02 16:18:05 And by you guys I mean qwerty12 and RST38h and by 'want to build' I mean do you want me to build. Mar 02 16:18:17 jaffa,wazd: I checked it in the gfx editor, the CLOSE button is really antialiased Mar 02 16:18:27 jeremiah_, well, I guess the diablo sdk :) Mar 02 16:18:30 jeremiah: Diablo of course Mar 02 16:18:45 jeremiah: Otherwise, nobody will be able to run it on the actual tablet :) Mar 02 16:18:55 I figured, I just like things to be explicit. :) Mar 02 16:19:36 * RST38h still builds his stuff on Chinook btw, because SB2 has got some problems with Diablo Mar 02 16:19:43 Probably fixed by now, have to check Mar 02 16:19:57 why does 5.0 alpha sdk wants to access /lib/modules/`uname -r/modules.dep ? Mar 02 16:20:02 Or just use sb1 ;) Mar 02 16:20:17 qwerty: Can't - all my source code is on an NTFS partition Mar 02 16:20:29 Well, I am setting up a new clean lenny environment just for packaging for maemo, so I am going to stick to diablo for now. :) Mar 02 16:20:38 qwerty: Absolutely NOT going to go through localhost NFS Mar 02 16:20:41 RST38h, Oh. Why not just move it to your linux partition? Mar 02 16:21:03 qwerty: Then I would not be able to develop it for Windows, DOS, S60, and UIQ Mar 02 16:21:15 here's the relevant output: http://dumpz.org/5941/ Mar 02 16:21:27 RST38h, let those platforms burn! It's all about maemo :P Mar 02 16:21:27 qwerty: All of the above require Windows for development Mar 02 16:21:40 qwerty: And who is gonna pay for it? =) Mar 02 16:21:51 Good question :) Mar 02 16:22:11 qwerty: When I can sell you VGBA-Maemo, we will revisit it :) Mar 02 16:22:21 * mgedmin gives RST38h a free virtual machine for installing windows with weird platform SDKs (or for installing Linux with weird platform SDKs for that matter ;) Mar 02 16:22:38 * RST38h sticks that free virtual machine where sun does not shine Mar 02 16:23:08 Just want to develop normally. Mar 02 16:23:22 Okay you crazy bunch O hackers, I'll see you all later. Gotta go excercise so I don't calcify into a vague ball of flesh and weak bone. :) Mar 02 16:23:38 Hehe. Have fun :P Mar 02 16:26:55 have fun =) Mar 02 16:27:22 That should be an intermediate stage in the course of turning into a small PERL script. Mar 02 16:38:36 RST38h, you've learned how to write readable code in perl? :) Mar 02 16:39:01 RST38h, i think it's impossible Mar 02 16:39:01 slono: Yea, I have figured out the rule Mar 02 16:39:34 slono: The rule of thumb is to persuade yourself that it is C and write as if it were C. Mar 02 16:40:15 lol, nokia seem to have gotten paranoid about the closed source binaries... Mar 02 16:40:25 argh. /me needs to learn C then Mar 02 16:40:27 qwerty, why? Mar 02 16:40:29 some people say that the rules are now relaxed, no? Mar 02 16:40:55 slonopotamus, http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/eula/index.php - in diablo sdk, it's just a question in the installer Mar 02 16:41:09 slono: Besides YOU CAN WRITE FORTRAN IN ANY LANGUAGE END Mar 02 16:42:10 qwerty: Looks like they simply intend to "improve" the confirmation mechanism. Web site looks cuter than the script :) Mar 02 16:42:18 * qwerty12 salivates at libgles1-sgx-img opengles-sgx-img-common opengles-sgx-img-common-dev libgles1-sgx-img-dev libgles2-sgx-img libgles2-sgx-img-dev Mar 02 16:43:01 * RST38h expects the need for a pump to keep saliva level low at this channel =) Mar 02 16:44:24 omg Mar 02 16:44:44 * pupnik_ gets out the champagne Mar 02 16:44:56 RST38h, the alpha dev kit include driptray-0.9-maemo-wow Mar 02 16:45:03 they're gonna tracks everything you install :) Mar 02 16:45:13 s/trackks/track/ Mar 02 16:45:16 argh Mar 02 16:45:22 you got it Mar 02 16:45:30 and include subliminal messages Mar 02 16:46:07 what'll happen if i distribute my token? Mar 02 16:46:09 like the dreaded yak tsup tsop dance Mar 02 16:47:00 lcuk: You do not seriously believe a measly 0.9 driptray will help? Mar 02 16:47:02 slonopotamus, nokia will send their sniper after you Mar 02 16:47:37 ah, eula then just stops allowing me to use software Mar 02 16:47:59 hmm Mar 02 16:49:00 i need to accept eula in order to _obtain_ sdk. so. 1. obtain. 2. distribute token. 3. eula no longer allows me to obtain, but i already have it. Mar 02 16:49:05 * mgedmin stares at the '*' meaning "proprietary blob, you can't have it" next to the OpenGL ES driver... Mar 02 16:49:32 ~curse closed-source software Mar 02 16:49:33 May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, closed-source software ! Mar 02 16:50:21 mgedmin: And if you try reverse engineering it, ImageTech will sue the hell out of you Mar 02 16:51:45 * Jaffa is confused by http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=268305#post268305 Mar 02 16:54:33 have you guys already installed fremantle alpha sdk ? Mar 02 16:54:49 no, for some of us Mar 02 16:54:58 my installation did not install hildon-home at al Mar 02 16:54:59 l Mar 02 16:55:02 * mgedmin pitifully stares at the 170 megs of disk space left on his laptop Mar 02 16:57:16 * qwerty12 cries as he runs killall5 instead of killall in scratchbox Mar 02 16:58:21 1024x576??? Mar 02 16:58:52 sampo, I have, but got error in xserver Mar 02 16:59:14 does anybody else think the application menu screenshot looks like one from an early 3D RPG game? Mar 02 16:59:22 a cave with twines or something Mar 02 17:01:15 sampo, do you get the fremantle UI running ? Mar 02 17:01:25 VDVsx, fails here too Mar 02 17:01:46 VDVsx: yeah i got it running Mar 02 17:01:58 sampo, what distro ? Mar 02 17:02:02 intrepid Mar 02 17:02:19 VDVsx: but run-stand-alone.sh hildon-home & this doesnt work Mar 02 17:03:06 sampo, I have problems with: af-sb-init.sh start Mar 02 17:03:11 VDVsx: hmm i reinstalled the whole sdk and now it is working Mar 02 17:03:19 VDVsx: you must be in x86 target Mar 02 17:03:28 * Stskeeps got the fremantle ui working fine. Mar 02 17:03:33 xephyr + af-sb-init.sh Mar 02 17:03:50 nice animations in the new UI Mar 02 17:04:18 does it still want root access? Mar 02 17:04:36 slonopotamus: where? Mar 02 17:04:52 slonopotamus: yes Mar 02 17:04:53 sampo, err... to install Mar 02 17:05:05 no way. Mar 02 17:05:07 sampo, my diablo sdk work in both targets Mar 02 17:05:24 slonopotamus: it's scratchbox 1. it needs binary emulation, you need to do that in kernel Mar 02 17:05:27 VDVsx: it says in release notes that it works only in x86 Mar 02 17:05:27 :P Mar 02 17:05:58 VDVsx: VDVsx 1. In armel target, the hildon UI does not come up while starting the hildon application framework. This is mainly due drawbacks in the user mode qemu.It is being worked upon. It is neither recommended to run applications on this target because qemu-arm-cvs-m has no threading support. Mar 02 17:06:09 Stskeeps, and x86? Mar 02 17:06:25 sampo, ahh, my fault :) Mar 02 17:06:29 VDVsx: :) Mar 02 17:06:40 I usual don't read anything :) Mar 02 17:06:49 but i got this crashing in x86 also :) Mar 02 17:07:10 but looks promising so far :) Mar 02 17:07:49 ahh finaly :) Mar 02 17:08:27 slonopotamus: true Mar 02 17:08:45 sampo, lol, thanks, got it working in x86 Mar 02 17:09:14 the fremantle UI animation remember me the apple time machine app lol :) Mar 02 17:09:22 qwerty12: RTFM :D Mar 02 17:09:41 sampo, hehe, I'm lazy :D Mar 02 17:09:50 * slonopotamus wonders what'll happen in different world, where people looked ad this thing ad said 'wtf? they still give us binary blobs? no way'. and completely ignored it :) Mar 02 17:10:02 what'd Mar 02 17:11:14 qwerty12: :) Mar 02 17:11:40 hmm maybe i should try those examples from garage Mar 02 17:13:29 Stskeeps, i guess you'll have problems soon :) either split mer to diablo-/fremantle-compatible or invent something completely diifferent :) Mar 02 17:13:37 hmm what would that rx71 be Mar 02 17:13:50 slonopotamus: why, though? Mar 02 17:14:19 Stskeeps, n8x0 do not have any funky opengl stuff Mar 02 17:14:33 slonopotamus: we already knew this long ago. that's why we have hildon-desktop for fremantle API Mar 02 17:14:37 also, hildon-home is a godsend Mar 02 17:14:41 Stskeeps, and those binary blobs... Mar 02 17:14:47 they're not that bad Mar 02 17:15:25 slonopotamus: besides that.. mer is something different, but it still stays compatible in many ways Mar 02 17:15:37 best thing so far with this new sdk is that it is much easier to debug home widgets(applets) now Mar 02 17:15:46 Stskeeps, source or binary? Mar 02 17:16:41 slonopotamus: scaringily enough both works still Mar 02 17:17:11 Stskeeps, we'll see Mar 02 17:18:01 some of the stuff is just stupid that is closed source Mar 02 17:21:29 is this the best place to ask about the n810? Mar 02 17:22:09 returnthis, absolutely Mar 02 17:23:18 mine is failing to boot Mar 02 17:23:44 it does the NOKIA logo with the blue status bar Mar 02 17:23:49 but hangs there Mar 02 17:24:30 oh wait! it finally finished Mar 02 17:24:51 is it suppose to take 15min to boot? Mar 02 17:25:28 nope. what did tou do with it before last reboot? Mar 02 17:25:41 s/tou/you/ Mar 02 17:25:41 slonopotamus meant: nope. what did you do with it before last reboot? Mar 02 17:25:58 slonopotamus: it has been doing this for a while Mar 02 17:27:33 it takes about 3 tries to get it to boot Mar 02 17:27:42 try to reflash it completely Mar 02 17:28:37 Stskeeps, hehe. that's like windoze 'try rebooting' advice Mar 02 17:28:51 any idea why maemo won't connect to jabber from panera? Mar 02 17:29:21 * returnthis head to find flashing instructins Mar 02 17:33:00 ~flashing Mar 02 17:33:01 flashing is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Mar 02 17:33:14 found: http://tabletschool.blogspot.com/2008/01/nokia-n800-how-to-update-n800s-firmware.html Mar 02 17:37:40 * mgedmin got his old n810 back from repairs Mar 02 17:37:54 turns out it was fixed last november, but nobody bothered to give me a call or send an email Mar 02 17:39:06 is there any info on the next internet tablet? Mar 02 17:39:47 * returnthis drooling over the 3.5G rumor Mar 02 17:42:20 3.5? hsdpa is already announced Mar 02 17:42:25 hsdpa is overrated Mar 02 17:42:46 unless you have a cell tower in your apartment Mar 02 17:42:59 better than nothing though Mar 02 17:43:00 ... you could also use it to keep your coffee warm Mar 02 17:43:01 well, that is what wifi is for Mar 02 17:43:22 * neatojones decides to take a short nap before his afternoon starts. Mar 02 17:43:26 but wandering around hunting for open wifi sucks Mar 02 17:44:03 * lardman decides his patched bluez-utils doens't sound too good Mar 02 17:44:15 /me has now 4GB of RAM in her laptop, rolls Mar 02 17:44:47 Myrtti, pfft, it's not yours, it's leased! Mar 02 17:44:56 * mgedmin drools Mar 02 17:45:18 inz: technically the laptop, sans RAM is leased Mar 02 17:45:19 I only have 2 GB :( Mar 02 17:45:26 * lardman realises he was using hsp not a2dp... doh! Mar 02 17:45:38 the RAM is 100% owned by the company Mar 02 17:46:01 Myrtti, and will likely be "forgotten" once you buy the lappy ;) Mar 02 17:56:40 Stskeeps: the reflash worked. it now boots in <1min :)) Mar 02 17:56:58 returnthis: woo :) Mar 02 17:57:49 of course the nokia boot screen is now burned into the screen thanks to spontaneous overnight reboots and hangs Mar 02 17:59:01 inz: http://flickr.com/photos/myrtti/3323429200 who would want this? srsly :-P Mar 02 18:00:06 ooh, I should add my business card on it though Mar 02 18:01:41 looks like a business notebook ;) Mar 02 18:06:14 Myrtti, ooh, hellokitty! Mar 02 18:10:07 * lcuk wonders how to sit his 12" tablet between keyboard and monitor and still be able to use it Mar 02 18:10:40 is this new sdk easy to configure or do i have to reformat my ubuntu and start again? Mar 02 18:11:54 If you have scratchbox already installed, just use the apt-get line it says in the install instructions for manual install & just use the sdk installer script then Mar 02 18:12:15 ill try.. ive got it but i only fired it up once Mar 02 18:12:20 'twas what I did and I still have my beloved DIABLO_SDK as well as a shiny FREMANTLE_ARMEL ;) Mar 02 18:12:29 s/DIABLO_SDK/DIABLO_ARMEL? Mar 02 18:12:30 */ Mar 02 18:12:43 * qwerty12 learns to type like a normal person, not a fuckwad Mar 02 18:13:14 Why do the target names neet to be written in CAPS... Mar 02 18:13:34 IT_IS_VERY_ENGINEERING_LIKE Mar 02 18:13:53 yay for Engineers! Mar 02 18:13:55 THUMBS_UP Mar 02 18:14:20 I like my diablo-armel -target... Mar 02 18:14:35 HAVING_YOUR_TARGETS_IN_CAPS_MAKES_YOU_SOUND_LIKE_THE_SHIT Mar 02 18:16:02 qwerty12: want to write a wiki page on doing that and/or a blog post (syndicated planet blog?) Mar 02 18:16:10 Would be handy (*cough*) Mar 02 18:16:17 So, seems no one was interested in controlling their media player with their "headphone button" Mar 02 18:16:33 inz: canola or media player? Mar 02 18:16:37 * Stskeeps went away from media player Mar 02 18:16:50 Stskeeps, if canola uses osso-media-server, then both Mar 02 18:17:01 inz, I wrote www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21182 a long time ago but yours seems better as it's in C :) Mar 02 18:17:49 Jaffa, TBH, all it was was: http://maemo.org/development/sdks/maemo5_alpha_installation/#manualsboxinstall and then http://maemo.org/development/sdks/maemo5_alpha_installation/#autosdkinstall :) Mar 02 18:18:14 qwerty, oh, cool; so canola does use osso-media-server? Mar 02 18:18:22 yep, by default Mar 02 18:18:42 it can be manually changed to use mplayer but people who want to use a2dp do that Mar 02 18:18:59 qwerty12: I'll test it and may take the credit - I think you underestimate the karma for making a "how to install fremantle into your existing SDK" Mar 02 18:19:13 qwerty, well, my binary only listens to the wired headset button anyway Mar 02 18:19:49 inz, same thing with the python :), but you seem to send the dbus signal directly - i do a os.system(dbus-send etc)... Mar 02 18:19:57 Jaffa, hehe Mar 02 18:20:14 qwerty, well, I found system() (in any language) to be usually the wrong solution ;) Mar 02 18:20:32 qwerty, (except shell scripting, where it cannot be avoided ;) Mar 02 18:21:14 inz, i'm a lazy bastard, couldn't be bothered to look up how python-dbus worked (and probably wouldn't understand it either) Mar 02 18:23:47 qwerty, the python d-bus bindings are actually pretty neat; don't know how well they work with non-introspetable objects though Mar 02 18:24:44 cool :) Mar 02 18:26:23 backticks! Mar 02 18:33:40 qwerty, som'n like dbus.Interface(dbus.SessionBus().get_object('com.nokia.osso_media_server', '/com/nokia/osso_media_server'), 'com.nokia.osso_media_server.music').pause() might do the trick Mar 02 18:34:19 Oops, he's gone Mar 02 18:35:01 * lcuk does not like scratchbox Mar 02 18:35:41 * inz hasn't had troubles with it Mar 02 18:36:13 inz i prefer on device building, it just relaxes my mind, too much of a brainfart to think about systems inside systems Mar 02 18:36:56 lcuk, well, that's quite simple way too, but depends of course how much and what are you compiling Mar 02 18:37:11 lcuk, I wouldn't like to compile just about anything C++ on the device Mar 02 18:37:30 * qwerty12 finds himself agitated with on-device compiling as it's effin' slow Mar 02 18:37:37 i agree, c++ per file compilation time is prohibative on this device Mar 02 18:37:46 who knows though :) it might become reasonable for me on the new one ;) Mar 02 18:39:14 * lcuk likes c and the build times are equivilent to net copuyy Mar 02 18:39:20 well.. it has been about 4 hours and this crap is still xfering Mar 02 18:39:23 I like C too Mar 02 18:39:27 is scp supposed to be this slow? :) Mar 02 18:39:34 s un8u9/. Mar 02 18:39:36 Macer: it encrypts.. Mar 02 18:39:46 Stskeeps: but damn... does it have that much overhead? Mar 02 18:39:52 lcuk, that really doesn't say much about your computer then... Mar 02 18:40:15 net copy ssh steps Mar 02 18:40:17 at least the other VMs are smaller.. the shell box had a 200G vdisk Mar 02 18:40:21 was doing it in vmware as well Mar 02 18:40:35 Stskeeps: it's topped out at 6.4MB/s on a gbit lan Mar 02 18:40:51 sounds normal Mar 02 18:40:59 that's normal?? Mar 02 18:41:03 :) Mar 02 18:41:52 well. i am stuck here waiting on this so i can get like 4 of my servers back up.. and i still have to xfer the dns Mar 02 18:41:55 how lame heh Mar 02 18:43:06 * Stskeeps wouldn't have done it over ssh personally Mar 02 18:43:21 Macer, you can always try to change to another cipher; but you probably don't want to restart now ;) Mar 02 18:43:23 was the only way i could think to do it Mar 02 18:43:29 inz: sure don't. ;) Mar 02 18:43:37 i'm going from one esxi box to another Mar 02 18:44:13 my shuttle was running like absolute crap using esxi.. the VMs were going slow as hell and i couldn't figure out a way to make them better.. i tried everything Mar 02 18:44:45 and i found a beta areca raid driver for esxi :) which is what my dual dual core 8G ram 8TB fileserver uses Mar 02 18:44:58 so now esxi is running like a champ on that Mar 02 18:46:31 WARNING - Tech Support Mode is not supported unless used in Mar 02 18:46:31 consultation with VMware Tech Support. Mar 02 18:46:43 how cute Mar 02 18:48:11 inz: the idea of the amd64 repository is that after that you can use the sdk installer directly? Mar 02 18:58:07 keesj, no, you cannot use the installer, but you can easily install the sbox Mar 02 18:58:53 back Mar 02 18:59:14 any new exclusive info bout sdk?) Mar 02 18:59:28 but it doens't show the cs2007q3-glibc2.5-arm7 (only 2005) Mar 02 18:59:48 wazd: refs to the RX-71 Mar 02 18:59:59 (well, "ref") Mar 02 19:00:12 Jaffa: RX-51 successor?) Mar 02 19:00:27 Jaffa: or n97/maemo hybrid?) Mar 02 19:00:29 Going back to more than one device launched... Mar 02 19:00:49 Or maybe rx-51 was their devboard all this time :) Mar 02 19:01:43 I like the sound of 56 keys Mar 02 19:01:54 qwerty12: I'm really scared of 3.5" screen possibility Mar 02 19:02:04 hello infobot! Mar 02 19:02:18 wazd: yeah, same here Mar 02 19:02:25 wazd: bring on 4.8"! Mar 02 19:02:43 wazd: Where's the 3.5" come from? Mar 02 19:02:56 lardman: well, bring maximum screen size in n810 case) Mar 02 19:03:04 inz: but it's still 386? su I can install the compiler bianry myself?(sorry didn't really found the post very intuitive) Mar 02 19:03:24 Jaffa: well, 16:9 n97/5800 resolution of screenshots Mar 02 19:03:40 wazd: I'd be happy with a bit bigger even, Psion 5 size Mar 02 19:03:40 Jaffa: and huge close cross size Mar 02 19:04:04 Jaffa: bigger controls = smaller screen Mar 02 19:04:12 wazd: Which screenshot? The Arora one's obviously shrunk if you look at the titlebar and underlines Mar 02 19:04:17 or Maemo UI designers are fans of big crosses :) Mar 02 19:04:30 The big cross is fat-finger friendly Mar 02 19:04:49 ;-) Mar 02 19:05:34 Jaffa: well, I want to press buttons with my toe :) Mar 02 19:06:03 :) Mar 02 19:07:55 Well, alpha release brought more questions than answers :) Mar 02 19:07:56 how do i add stuff to /etc/apt/sources.list when i cant find the one i need to use :$ (/scratchbox/etc/... doesnt have it Mar 02 19:08:40 lcuk, add it to the target's sources.list Mar 02 19:08:49 Or, rather, what are you trying to add? Mar 02 19:08:57 the nokia binaries Mar 02 19:09:20 Yeah, just run scratchbox, switch to FREMANTLE_ARMEL and vi /etc/apt/sources.list Mar 02 19:09:23 i just added the line to my /etc/apt/sources.list but i think that was ubuntus, and i cant find the ones for scratchbox Mar 02 19:09:41 nooooo last time i tried vi i almost reformatted the computer Mar 02 19:09:55 http://blogs.forum.nokia.com//data/blogs/resources/300003/arora-fremantle-640.png <- does that row on the bottom is xephyr part or maemo 5? Mar 02 19:09:55 fine Mar 02 19:09:59 :$ Mar 02 19:10:01 /scratchbox/users/faheem/targets/FREMANTLE_ARMEL/etc/apt/sources.list Mar 02 19:10:13 s/faheem/$USER/ Mar 02 19:10:13 qwerty12 meant: /scratchbox/users/$USER/targets/FREMANTLE_ARMEL/etc/apt/sources.list Mar 02 19:10:15 thanks ill find it that way :D Mar 02 19:10:35 i saw a post that said armel wasnt best for this one? Mar 02 19:10:50 Add it to both, but yes (thanks sampo) the gui wont start in armel :P Mar 02 19:11:13 thanks Mar 02 19:12:03 ok maybe I'm wrong bout 3.5" Mar 02 19:12:41 looks like top bar will be 50px height, same as maemo 4 Mar 02 19:17:31 qwerty12, do all the nokia binaries download, im getting failures for gles Mar 02 19:17:46 lcuk, they downloaded for me but I had to retry a few times Mar 02 19:19:06 i had to fakeroot and not sudo them Mar 02 19:26:36 wazd: well the screen size and res are not related really Mar 02 19:26:42 lcuk, the installation instructions have some errors, I already submit a bug Mar 02 19:28:53 VDVsx, i already had pre-alpha on, so im just muddling it in Mar 02 19:29:36 hi qgil Mar 02 19:30:30 is there any reason why it would run so slowly Mar 02 19:31:13 is the background animated? Mar 02 19:31:32 luck, ahh, I installed everthing again :), but the errors in the instructions are easy to resolve by linux users :) Mar 02 19:31:44 lcuk, the UI is slow ? Mar 02 19:31:49 heh VDVsx that excludes me then :D Mar 02 19:33:01 yeah, unbearably - ive got app manager main view on, clicking what i think is the minimize button takes ~5seconds to show "app mgr/settings/application" canola view Mar 02 19:33:34 the backgroundIS animated Mar 02 19:34:03 are you using debian lenny ? Mar 02 19:34:06 im meant to be using the _x86 target arent i Mar 02 19:34:12 im using ubuntu Mar 02 19:34:29 direct on the tabletpc Mar 02 19:34:33 8.10 Mar 02 19:34:36 strange Mar 02 19:34:56 am i meant to have a better experience than this then? Mar 02 19:35:43 if $USER = lcuk; then give_worst_experience_as_possible Mar 02 19:35:51 6 seconds between clicking "settings" and actually having a settings window come up (with no content) Mar 02 19:38:01 qwerty12, do you have 8.10 or 8.04 ? Mar 02 19:38:26 VDVsx, 8.10 but I use the kernel from 8.04 (dunno if it makes a difference) Mar 02 19:38:58 I have also 8.04, can be a 8.10 issue Mar 02 19:40:37 * RST38h moos Mar 02 19:40:52 Stskeeps: "some of the stuff is just stupid that is closed source" Mar 02 19:40:53 * qwerty12 silences RST38h Mar 02 19:41:31 Stskeeps: file enhancement requests, some components might be meant to be open, just that the teams haven't got them through the process yet Mar 02 19:41:38 qgil: yep, i am making a list Mar 02 19:41:58 others perhaps are indeed meant to be open, but we are anyway willing to hear reasons why it is a bad idea to have package X closed. Mar 02 19:42:14 (back to backlog reading) Mar 02 19:42:15 but it was things like hald-addon-bme-dev, which essentially is a DBUS API :) Mar 02 19:43:45 Hello Mar 02 19:47:27 RST38h: http://blogs.forum.nokia.com//data/blogs/resources/300003/arora-fremantle-640.png Mar 02 19:47:44 RST38h: is that row on the bottom a Xephyr part? Mar 02 19:48:20 Hi! Mar 02 19:48:43 wazd: why are you so interested in that row? Mar 02 19:49:09 qgil: if it's xephyr then the screen is 16:9 :) Mar 02 19:49:20 qgil: if not then 16:10) Mar 02 19:49:48 and what is 800x480? (sorry for my ignorance) Mar 02 19:50:11 qgil: 16:10 Mar 02 19:50:19 so that is what matters to you Mar 02 19:50:42 wazd, you can run xephr with any resolution i believe Mar 02 19:50:45 hehe, crazy designers ;) Mar 02 19:51:25 wazd: the bottom belongs to maemo Mar 02 19:51:28 not xephyr Mar 02 19:51:29 qgil: well, if it's 16:9 then RX-51 will possibly have n97/5800 screen Mar 02 19:51:32 lcuk: in diablo, hildon not so much... Mar 02 19:51:32 hiya qgil btw, nice one on getting it out Mar 02 19:51:41 RST38h: ah, ok Mar 02 19:51:48 wazd: i personally didn't see it when i tried SDK Mar 02 19:51:52 (the bottom thing) Mar 02 19:51:53 qgil: Would you care to enlighten us on one little thing? Mar 02 19:52:01 wazd: and how many times do we need to write WVGA? :) Mar 02 19:52:20 Ok, you just did Mar 02 19:52:21 qgil: WVGA actually means anything wider than 800x480 :P Mar 02 19:52:23 800x480 == 16:10 ?? Mar 02 19:52:24 no problem Mar 02 19:52:31 er, wider than VGA Mar 02 19:52:35 qgil: 853x480 is wvga too) Mar 02 19:52:54 interesting Mar 02 19:53:04 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wide_VGA Mar 02 19:53:13 well, I *think* this is about 800x480 business as usual Mar 02 19:53:25 oh, 854, sorry Mar 02 19:54:11 qgil: as long as rx-51 does not have 640x360, I am at peace Mar 02 19:54:22 http://static.maemo.org/static/m/Maemo5_alpha__SDK_Desktop.png = 800x480 Mar 02 19:54:59 Unfortunately none of the kernels released for the beagleboard support 800x480 ... Mar 02 19:55:00 you seem to be interested reading between the source code lines than in the plain announcement :) Mar 02 19:55:16 So neither mer nor the fremantle sdk run at 800x480 there Mar 02 19:55:31 harbaum: then again the theme isn't half bad in 800x600 Mar 02 19:55:32 yeah Mar 02 19:55:45 qgil: in this case, we were analyzing the screenshots Mar 02 19:55:46 qgil: ok, I'm satisfied :) Mar 02 19:56:13 qgil: which made very plausible case for 640x360 (because after resizing they fit that size exactly) Mar 02 19:56:31 But my screen on the bb is 800x480 ... Mar 02 19:57:28 Speaking of the beagle board: When will there be a port of the alpha sdk for it? Mar 02 19:57:37 harbaum: http://maemo-beagle.garage.maemo.org Mar 02 19:57:50 there is already one Mar 02 19:57:52 guys, no idea about what Kate is doing with Xephyr, but if you want to know the resolution now you know it :) Mar 02 19:58:25 harbaum: Juha Kallioinen is working on it and will release it as soon as he is done Mar 02 19:58:28 hopefully in few days Mar 02 19:58:44 we had to change the content of the alpha SDK several times last week Mar 02 19:58:49 no big dal, just little details Mar 02 19:59:11 but enough to let understand Juha that it was better to let the SDK go out Mar 02 19:59:19 and then align in the Beagle board edition Mar 02 20:00:31 wow, that was fast: http://www.flickr.com/photos/29499609@N03/3323727244/ Mar 02 20:01:07 qgil: mauku is really easy to port really, i even ran it on mer on x86 :P Mar 02 20:01:21 but mauku is an essential part of maemo life :> Mar 02 20:01:35 qgil: Will the touchscreen surface protected the same way as in 5800 btw? Mar 02 20:01:45 if only it would support identi.ca / laconi.ca as well... Mar 02 20:01:46 Stskeeps: & xchat :p Mar 02 20:02:05 xchat for sure Mar 02 20:02:15 we really should have a popularity contest application for maemo Mar 02 20:02:19 seeing which apps are most in use :P Mar 02 20:02:21 RST38h: no idea, maybe the case has a different color ;) Mar 02 20:02:51 though I don't understand what's so difficult in getting mauku to work with laconi.ca Mar 02 20:03:05 IIRC it has twitter -compatible API and all Mar 02 20:03:07 Myrtti: I'm sure Hnrik would welcome a patch :) Mar 02 20:03:28 qgil: ah, I don't care about the color (as long as it is not purple of course :)), but the new UI looks seriously finger oriented and none of the current tablet models have screen protection against extra pressure, dirt, etc Mar 02 20:03:46 RST38h: but you wouldn't mind a pink one? interesting Mar 02 20:03:51 qgil: I know, but I'm only learning basics of python myself and I'm busy doing LaTeX and all that jazz Mar 02 20:04:01 PINK? PINK? where's pink? Mar 02 20:04:06 pink? Mar 02 20:04:10 Sts: that goes under the definiotion of "light purple" as far as I care Mar 02 20:04:12 call GeneralAntilles :) Mar 02 20:04:45 wazd: do you still have that hellokittycalc URL online? =) Mar 02 20:05:18 According to http://identi.ca/mauku Mauku does support identi.ca. Heh. Mar 02 20:05:25 http://s39.radikal.ru/i083/0903/35/b474b162c920.jpg Mar 02 20:05:29 wazd: shutter came with some icons btw, so he's working on them Mar 02 20:05:42 Myrtti: there! Mar 02 20:05:49 Stskeeps: so how are they?) Mar 02 20:06:04 wazd: good, we gave him some advices and sent him back to drawing board i think Mar 02 20:06:19 sjgadsby: might actually, my HE2008 is so unstable I can't use it at all. I should flash it back to OS2007HE2 Mar 02 20:06:22 thoug Mar 02 20:06:24 Intel would port its Atom chip CPU cores to TSMC's technology platform. <=== hmmmmm Mar 02 20:06:32 2 weeks and I've got my n800 ♥ Mar 02 20:06:40 Stskeeps: are there any examples online?) Mar 02 20:07:02 wazd: :-DDDDDD Mar 02 20:07:14 OMG I wantz a pink calculator! Mar 02 20:07:45 wazd: http://s61.radikal.ru/i172/0902/91/ac99644bbaef.png (apps), http://s52.radikal.ru/i138/0902/a5/a149f204a7bb.png (chat) , http://s39.radikal.ru/i084/0902/c4/68d5568b8b01.jpg (web) Mar 02 20:07:52 myrtti sounds like a 14 years old girl Mar 02 20:07:54 :D Mar 02 20:08:13 bongo|kup: missed with 14 years, otherwise true Mar 02 20:08:50 Myrtti's 0? :o Mar 02 20:09:15 no, I'm ancient Mar 02 20:09:21 http://s52.radikal.ru/i138/0902/a5/a149f204a7bb.png <- talking stomach :D Mar 02 20:09:32 Who's responsible for the alpha-sdk-installation instructions? Mar 02 20:10:11 I am trying to follow it. It says: If you already have an existing scratchbox installation, jump to section 2.1 Mar 02 20:10:16 wazd, urine bubble Mar 02 20:10:23 RST38h: dunno and I have no other choice than trust the device engineers Mar 02 20:10:31 But section 2.1 is about installing scratchbox 1 Mar 02 20:11:12 This should probably refer to section 2.2 Mar 02 20:11:12 harbaum: just add the repo & run the apt-get Mar 02 20:12:09 qwerty12_N800: I _have_ a scratchbox Mar 02 20:12:19 Or what are you referring to? Mar 02 20:12:46 harbaum: and? the apt-get installs new devkits Mar 02 20:13:24 Myrtti: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/4927224/Pink-dolphin-appears-in-US-lake.html Mar 02 20:14:29 :-O Mar 02 20:14:47 I am trying to follow the instructions in section 2.2. But Mar 02 20:14:49 sb-conf st FREMANTLE_X86 -c cs2007q3-glibc2.5-i486 -d perl:debian-etch:doctools:svn:git -t none Mar 02 20:15:00 fails with sb-conf: No such compiler: cs2007q3-glibc2.5-i486 Mar 02 20:15:04 Stskeeps: I've been experimenting with bubble base for icons http://s41.radikal.ru/i094/0903/25/bed0a0c7670e.png Mar 02 20:15:28 wazd: hmm, could be curious Mar 02 20:15:46 Stskeeps: it's png so you can try it on different backgrounds Mar 02 20:16:31 harbaum: installed with the apt-get from 2.1. and you can use the fremantle *sdk* installer script even if you already have sbox installed Mar 02 20:17:17 qwerty12_N800: Ah ... perhaps the title of that section is just a little misleading Mar 02 20:18:04 from all the comments I see the one that caught me more by surprise is the Canola remembrance Mar 02 20:18:37 qgil: which is that? Mar 02 20:18:50 qgil: there is a bit of canola interaction over it yeah Mar 02 20:19:09 Stskeeps: can you define "Canola interaction"? Mar 02 20:19:36 qgil: now this is the kind of thing that could be a lot easier to explain with a screenshot, waving hands and cardboard prototypes.. Mar 02 20:20:02 Stskeeps: this is why I feel not worth to start discussing :) Mar 02 20:20:03 the canola challenge, we showed 20 users the preview and lots said "new canola"? Mar 02 20:20:09 qgil: hehe, yeah Mar 02 20:20:09 until people see the behavior in the sdk Mar 02 20:20:40 lcuk: just because they see 3 icons and a background behind Mar 02 20:22:17 yeah Mar 02 20:22:39 mind you, i cant see anything anymore :'( Mar 02 20:22:45 like when people see _ v X and a titlebar and left corner icon.. Mar 02 20:23:11 interesting conclusions like "i wonder if its a indication that nokia is aiming at the net enabled media player that archos have been showing of" Mar 02 20:23:57 and world domination? Mar 02 20:24:25 just as long as you don't start adding within-maemo advertisements for docking stations when they connect to a charger.. Mar 02 20:24:36 ;) Mar 02 20:25:04 no Stskeeps those will be limited to the desktop you are closest to Mar 02 20:25:07 unlike archos, nokia aren't desperate Mar 02 20:25:13 qgil: say thanks that they don't call it iphone-clone :) Mar 02 20:25:41 well, the continuation of the quote above points to that direction Mar 02 20:25:51 qgil: icons+background+touchscreen=iphoneclone Mar 02 20:25:52 Oh, has there been any discussion here about the rumours of a symbian netbook? :-) Mar 02 20:26:02 wazd, no way Mar 02 20:26:10 ShadowJK: realy ? Mar 02 20:26:15 +l Mar 02 20:26:22 lcuk: well, that's what people say now) Mar 02 20:27:02 http://s50.radikal.ru/i128/0903/aa/33397043ca65.jpg Mar 02 20:27:33 wazd: yeah, indeed Mar 02 20:28:11 apple cloned everyone! Mar 02 20:29:19 Stskeeps: testing 0.9, got the "Allow Access" prompt from gnome keyring again Mar 02 20:30:22 r2d2rogers: wtf :P Mar 02 20:30:29 quick survey: best/worst/most surprising bits of the alpha SDK announcement? Mar 02 20:30:53 best = it came :) Mar 02 20:31:17 Most surprising: the kernel changelog (again) Mar 02 20:31:24 qgil: orientation/rotation Mar 02 20:31:41 Worst is the new closed source stuff that really doesn't seem justified. Mar 02 20:32:00 oh, and the vibration API. Mar 02 20:32:21 * Stskeeps wouldn't mind his tablet vibrating upon xchat message for instance, when out walking Mar 02 20:33:50 qgil: no statusbar/desktop widgets guidelines = we're smoking again :) Mar 02 20:33:54 GeneralAntilles: about closed stuff see my comment above tot Stskeeps Mar 02 20:34:20 qgil: good news: 800x480 :) Mar 02 20:34:25 wazd: guidlines will come for the beta, or actually as soon as we have them ready Mar 02 20:34:32 we didn't wait the code to wait the docs Mar 02 20:34:44 we didn't want the code to wait the docs Mar 02 20:34:51 qgil, yeah, it's just unfortunate we have to start out 2 steps back. :( Mar 02 20:35:21 just start making a list enumerating components Mar 02 20:35:40 best -> the new apis, especially the location stuff :) Mar 02 20:35:44 many components are planned to be open for the final release, now the priority is to make them work Mar 02 20:36:11 qgil, it would help if we could get an indicate of which ones those are from Nokia. Mar 02 20:36:21 s/indicate/indication/ Mar 02 20:36:44 GeneralAntilles: another possibility is: don't panic and wait Mar 02 20:36:49 I'm surprised the Beagle community hasn't noticed the drivers. Mar 02 20:37:02 GeneralAntilles: they might when maemo-beagle gets updated Mar 02 20:38:00 qgil, been waiting for so long, though, already. :( Mar 02 20:38:19 wait till the final release, I mean Mar 02 20:38:23 GeneralAntilles meant: qgil, it would help if we could get an indication of which ones those are from Nokia. Mar 02 20:38:27 * Stskeeps wanders off to a game of chess with the fiancee Mar 02 20:39:50 Stskeeps: ok, now it's called "chess game" xD Mar 02 20:43:20 Hehehe Mar 02 20:43:27 Geely is buying Volvo Mar 02 20:46:38 ~lart me Mar 02 20:46:51 Amen! Mar 02 20:46:51 o_O Mar 02 20:47:22 fuckaduck Mar 02 20:47:30 "Calling maemo-select-menu-location is deprecated. It does nothing now." Mar 02 20:48:01 Excellent Mar 02 20:48:15 * qwerty12_N800 knows not to visit the ponds in Manchester now Mar 02 20:48:19 Hopefully thinggs'll be filed by property Mar 02 20:48:31 but where did my application go? :| Mar 02 20:48:45 s/by property/properly/ Mar 02 20:49:17 * lcuk kicks ubuntu Mar 02 20:50:13 first review? http://www.slashgear.com/maemo-5-alpha-sdk-released-hardware-3d-acceleration-lbs-0236054/ Mar 02 20:51:17 qgil: how're the device(s) progressing? Mar 02 20:51:44 Jaffa: what do you mean? Mar 02 20:52:03 Need shiny hardware to go with shiny OS ;-) Mar 02 20:52:18 Here, fishy fishy fishy. Mar 02 20:52:35 ah, hardware Mar 02 20:52:53 well, the Beagle board is doing well, thanks ;) Mar 02 20:54:30 :) Mar 02 20:54:46 * GeneralAntilles tries to prod the wiki into life. Mar 02 20:57:27 interesting that the ITt thread that started talking about Nokia hibernation ended up discussing device hibernation... Mar 02 20:57:58 * GeneralAntilles begins kicking the wiki. Mar 02 20:58:10 qgil: hopefully more constructive that way, since no-one sensible thought you were idling Mar 02 20:58:17 kick my tabletpc as well please gan Mar 02 20:58:46 Silly people being silly (as usual). Mar 02 20:58:47 is there fullscreen button in maemo5? Mar 02 20:59:18 mikkov_: screens have been deprectaed; voice is the primary UI Mar 02 20:59:51 mikkov_: mmm... that would be the power button ;) Mar 02 21:00:30 I mean 'HILDON_HARDKEY_FULLSCREEN' does not exist any more? Mar 02 21:00:33 * wazd has made uber-bubble template) Mar 02 21:00:41 * GeneralAntilles sighs. Mar 02 21:00:52 Want to throw the roadmap at qole and the wiki wont load. Mar 02 21:01:28 * lcuk vanishes Mar 02 21:03:59 mikkov_: http://maemo.org/development/sdks/maemo5_alpha_overview/ "Removal of left side Task Navigator and plugins" Mar 02 21:04:26 mikkov_: i.e. it's mostly fullscreen all of the time Mar 02 21:06:47 OK, how do I switch between applications? Mar 02 21:06:58 mikkov_: later :) Mar 02 21:07:15 mikkov_: multitasking is not supported now Mar 02 21:07:26 telepathy :) Mar 02 21:09:15 well leafpad seems to work Mar 02 21:09:35 mikkov_: what's the version number of libhildon in the latest alpha? maybe its changelog says something Mar 02 21:11:27 2.1.42-2 Mar 02 21:12:52 hmm, hildon-defines.h still has it here Mar 02 21:14:47 alright, good evening and have fun (finally) with Fremantle! Mar 02 21:15:58 evening (thanks for the sdk to all involved) Mar 02 21:17:27 * luke-jr wonders if there'd be a market for an extremely integrated GPS/directions/etc framework/toolkit Mar 02 21:17:59 yah, no full screen key. Mar 02 21:22:27 roope: good to hear that, the task navigator was frustratingly wasteful Mar 02 21:23:15 jaffa: yes. Mar 02 21:23:56 we tried to reduce to bare minimum (as can be seen). Mar 02 21:24:31 i'm a big fan on one button. you can't press the wrone one. ;) Mar 02 21:24:43 Although withe the 5" screen and 2048x1080 res, less so ;-) Mar 02 21:25:13 games usually like more than one button ;) Mar 02 21:25:36 is that multi-second gui response time normal, or is that just my laptop (and lcuk's, it seems)? Mar 02 21:26:09 Makes things mighty inconvenient for FBReader, though. :\ Mar 02 21:26:13 guys, what do you think bout that idea? http://s56.radikal.ru/i151/0903/ad/d19169255138.jpg Mar 02 21:26:20 no, it's not normal. Mar 02 21:26:32 icon stylization Mar 02 21:26:59 wazd, I don't care for the gumdrop icon style. Mar 02 21:27:06 ga: there are ways for apps to go full screen also without a hw key. Mar 02 21:27:42 but of course you do need to redesign something. Mar 02 21:27:47 hm, maybe related to this ubuntu bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sun-java6/+bug/288650 Mar 02 21:27:57 roope, requiring me to tap things on screen for my ebook reader when I've never had to before is obnoxious to me. Mar 02 21:28:05 wazd: I still hate the task switcher Mar 02 21:28:08 it is out of place Mar 02 21:28:33 rst: where should it be? Mar 02 21:28:52 intel graphics driver has lots of performance issues in intrepid and jaunty... Mar 02 21:29:10 roope: I would say it should pop up from the "Tasks" button at the top left Mar 02 21:29:20 ga: some hw keys do remain. Mar 02 21:29:38 Hey, having a few problems flashing an n800 on linux to latest relase "RX-34_DIABLO_5.2008.43-7_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin", using flasher-3.0 just getting the message Suitable USB device not found, waiting Mar 02 21:29:57 tried the perl patch, still no joy, n800 is working ok at the moment Mar 02 21:30:04 rst: umm, well, there isn't a switcher there in alpha at all. Mar 02 21:30:07 any ideas? Mar 02 21:30:14 which switcher are you commenting? Mar 02 21:30:20 roope: I think you mistook my answer to wazd for something else Mar 02 21:30:21 roope: http://s56.radikal.ru/i151/0903/ad/d19169255138.jpg Mar 02 21:30:30 rst: oh, ok. Mar 02 21:31:06 roope: as to the alpha, do you mean there won't be a way to make app full screen? Mar 02 21:31:13 RST38h: on "tasks" click there planned to be detailed switcher :) Mar 02 21:31:22 rst: sure you can do it. Mar 02 21:31:46 don't just expect a hard key. Mar 02 21:32:02 roope: is there some other way? Mar 02 21:32:13 I mean, once the app if full screen, how do you get it back? Mar 02 21:32:23 depends on the app. Mar 02 21:32:33 ssh + wmctrl :> Mar 02 21:33:03 RST38h: file -> view -> application -> settings -> controls -> fullscreen -> on :) Mar 02 21:33:07 but in general apps try to use the screen so that there's no need for a separate mode. Mar 02 21:33:26 roope: wait there is something wrong with this picture Mar 02 21:33:45 roope: let us say my app goes full screen and then hangs Mar 02 21:33:51 for an image viewer it's easy to guess how. Mar 02 21:34:04 roope: because there are no system managed hw buttons I can't get out of it Mar 02 21:34:19 Home key? Mar 02 21:34:21 roope: and I can't get out of full screen either? Mar 02 21:34:29 lcuk: you also have very slow response times with alpha sdk? do you happen to have intel graphics chip and ubuntu intrepid? Mar 02 21:34:31 i think there's a system that offers to kill hanged apps. Mar 02 21:34:42 not 100% sure though. Mar 02 21:34:59 but don't do hanging full screen apps. :) Mar 02 21:35:24 Ha Mar 02 21:35:27 roope: the whole thing sounds less reliable than os2008 Mar 02 21:35:31 the power key is still there. Mar 02 21:35:32 There's an answer. . . . Mar 02 21:35:38 RST38h: tbh, if the program is hung, a fullscreen wouldn't help. there should be a button to switch programs though, agreed Mar 02 21:35:45 Long-press on esc will probably do something. Mar 02 21:35:47 yes Mar 02 21:35:55 s/fullscreen/fullscreen button/ Mar 02 21:35:56 qwerty12_N800 meant: RST38h: tbh, if the program is hung, a fullscreen button wouldn't help. there should be a button to switch programs though, agreed Mar 02 21:36:12 * RST38h wonders if the device will have a blue symbian key Mar 02 21:36:30 Everybody else who's nominated so far has blogs to advertise on. Mar 02 21:36:36 * GeneralAntilles just has the Council blog. :( Mar 02 21:36:56 forget that, sorted it :) Mar 02 21:37:35 anyway i'm really happy to get rid of the full screen hw key. amongst other. Mar 02 21:38:06 more buttons - better :) Mar 02 21:38:43 it's much easier not to use buttons than to add more :) Mar 02 21:39:13 full screen key made poor design possible for a long time. Mar 02 21:39:41 roope: poor design of what? Mar 02 21:39:54 Of the UI. Mar 02 21:40:01 but that's nokia's fault for taking advantage then Mar 02 21:40:07 much mode switching, for the users. Mar 02 21:40:10 Just think what a pain in the ass it is having to toggle fullscreen all the time. Mar 02 21:40:19 wasteful screen space usage. Mar 02 21:40:31 "Up, new email! Shit, missed the notification. " Mar 02 21:40:33 what wasteful screen usage? Mar 02 21:40:43 How does button connected with UI design?) Mar 02 21:40:47 Browser & terminal both had to be fullscreened, most of the time Mar 02 21:40:50 the task bar, for instance. Mar 02 21:41:04 wazd: of course they are linked. Mar 02 21:41:08 oh you mean wasteful usage in windowed mode Mar 02 21:41:11 Having the full horizontal resolution available will help a LOT. Mar 02 21:41:35 the ui is the hw and the sw. Mar 02 21:41:44 roope: it's not hardware design that rules the software Mar 02 21:41:51 and how they play together. Mar 02 21:41:57 roope: they are both Mar 02 21:42:19 roope: is there a dpad? =) Mar 02 21:42:24 roope: there is no "oh shit, we have to have fullscreen button, lets make it do some stuff" :) Mar 02 21:43:21 wazd: in a perfect world. Mar 02 21:43:38 I don't know what's the problem was with making full-width UI with fullscreen button for maximizing) Mar 02 21:43:52 anyways, the past is the past. Mar 02 21:45:09 rst: nothing prevents a device to have one. ;) Mar 02 21:45:18 but no, i can't tell. Mar 02 21:47:11 eh Mar 02 21:49:18 the full screen button practically mandated every app to do full screen,even those where there was really no point. having a button that would work only sometimes wouldn't be good. Mar 02 21:49:34 See: Control Panel. Mar 02 21:49:54 that plus taking your fingers off the screen for switching back are not good things. Mar 02 21:50:08 I use my thumbs Mar 02 21:50:16 Which means my index finger rests along the top Mar 02 21:50:19 So no issue there. Mar 02 21:50:55 ah. no stylus kbd Mar 02 21:51:09 no on screen kbd at all? Mar 02 21:51:28 Fullscreen only Mar 02 21:51:32 there's the finger one still. Mar 02 21:51:41 Hopefully it actually works this time around. Mar 02 21:51:53 that very well explains why fremantle HIM 'isn't' working in mer.. Mar 02 21:52:04 hi all Mar 02 21:52:10 * GeneralAntilles is amazed and astounded by the insane number of bugs Nokia shipped in the finger keyboard. Mar 02 21:52:12 hello Mar 02 21:52:28 "Oh, we've got a hardware keyboard, N800 users can go fall down a cliff." Mar 02 21:52:29 ga like what? Mar 02 21:52:45 Anidel, like the return key only working about half the time. Mar 02 21:52:56 Or everything fingerkeyboard related being broken in MicroB Mar 02 21:53:06 there were some issues with the browser. Mar 02 21:53:14 roope, and everything else. Mar 02 21:53:22 'cause I didn't remember it sucked so much...it did, but actually it wasn't that bad Mar 02 21:53:34 roope, about 70% of the time I have to press the return key on the vkb to actually get it to send return. Mar 02 21:53:34 but well, there were lots of issues wuth the browser. Mar 02 21:53:46 Since the return key on the finger keyboard doesn't work most of the time. Mar 02 21:54:02 Bugs I filed in 2007, but which were never fixed. Mar 02 21:54:15 maybe in Fremantle :p Mar 02 21:54:41 heh Mar 02 21:54:44 Stskeeps, you can use the fingerkeyboard, though, right? Mar 02 21:54:53 Somebody needs to get that open sourced. Mar 02 21:54:55 I'm gonna need a bt keyboard if i want to irc on the tablet Mar 02 21:54:59 GeneralAntilles: what, the closed one? Mar 02 21:55:11 Stskeeps, yeah, it'll work, right? Mar 02 21:55:20 should Mar 02 21:55:23 Anidel, I do it with the finger keyboard all the time. Mar 02 21:55:36 one can write a new one, can't he? Mar 02 21:55:37 nothing else works atm Mar 02 21:55:56 not the example vkb either Mar 02 21:56:11 ga: gotta use it for a while... my hands hurt after too much use of the n810 keyboard Mar 02 21:56:15 Stskeeps: I wonder how well getting the key and adding the nokia binaries repo to mer will work Mar 02 21:57:45 dinner's ready Mar 02 21:58:00 (having a late oneì Mar 02 21:58:02 ) Mar 02 21:59:42 .. wtf at libcityinfo and clockd.. Mar 02 22:00:08 Stskeeps: http://s56.radikal.ru/i151/0903/ad/d19169255138.jpg Mar 02 22:00:22 Stskeeps: something like that Mar 02 22:00:53 wazd, the problem with that icon style is that you can't spot things by shape. Mar 02 22:01:07 hannesw, REALLY poor performance, 5 seconds per frame, its an ibm thinkpad tabletpc, its got ubuntu 8.10 on, and i run with no special effects, BUT if i do enable them i get perfect high speed fancy wobbly windows (ie the driver "works") Mar 02 22:02:39 lcuk: yes, sounds pretty much like my situation Mar 02 22:03:17 i think it's related to this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/252094 Mar 02 22:03:32 will my ibm/lenovo have ibm chipset? Mar 02 22:03:55 i have a thinkpad t61, intel chipset, also ubuntu 8.10 Mar 02 22:04:14 oooh yeah Mar 02 22:04:30 and I've had similar problems with some apps before. Mar 02 22:04:57 but i have 3d capabilities and can (but choose not to) do compositing with wobble? Mar 02 22:05:09 and isnt clutter now targetting intel :p Mar 02 22:05:44 yes, compiz works ok. but some graphics operations are just incredibly slow. Mar 02 22:06:03 tis a bit screwy Mar 02 22:06:18 roope, henrick just posted something about pressing hardware fullscreen button Mar 02 22:06:25 hows he got it on hardware and we havent Mar 02 22:06:52 I've found sinked nokian tire replacement! http://i005.radikal.ru/0903/a5/671385d3b35a.jpg Mar 02 22:07:23 lol Mar 02 22:07:26 sank* Mar 02 22:07:45 hannesw, glxgears (its a tiny window by default, is that normal ive never run it before) Mar 02 22:07:48 gives: 3611 frames in 5.0 seconds = 722.059 FPS Mar 02 22:08:36 wazd: lol Mar 02 22:08:43 wazd: Oh YESSSS Mar 02 22:10:01 Hello Mar 02 22:10:07 wazd: sunk Mar 02 22:10:09 lcuk: i seem to remember that glxgears performance is not really relevant, it's just some weird problems deep down in the drivers, and the x.org folks will eventually sort it out, but not in the near future... Mar 02 22:10:37 RST38h: damn Mar 02 22:10:43 * b-man wonders why glxgears works from a chroot in maemo but doesn't in booted ubuntu ;p Mar 02 22:11:04 it worked in my ubuntu Mar 02 22:11:08 does the fremantle ui run smoothly for other people? Mar 02 22:11:10 without chroot Mar 02 22:11:20 as in at expected speed Mar 02 22:11:41 lcuk: me with proper configured ati drivers Mar 02 22:11:42 neatojones: hmm Mar 02 22:11:46 lcuk: Won't it be complete crap for everybody without OpenGL? Mar 02 22:11:54 ive got opengl though :S Mar 02 22:12:02 bman: I got about 7fps on my tablet Mar 02 22:12:07 in ubuntu Mar 02 22:12:14 lcuk: It seems to require OpenGL ES2 Mar 02 22:12:22 very specific thing Mar 02 22:12:38 neatojones: oh :P Mar 02 22:12:58 * lcuk gives up then Mar 02 22:13:07 neatojones: how is e17 going btw? Mar 02 22:13:29 "Pressing full screen button hides the window title bar." - mybe it's bout SDK, not bout real hardware) Mar 02 22:13:46 i dont know any other device which has a fullscreen button Mar 02 22:13:56 I think Stskeeps started building them on the server earlier. Mar 02 22:13:58 not something we can run on yet Mar 02 22:14:13 wazd: probably would have been referred to F6 then Mar 02 22:14:23 b-man: I'm frustrated though because the debs had some problems that my build didn't Mar 02 22:14:39 hmm Mar 02 22:15:05 can maemo guys replace that overbolded cross with normal one?) Mar 02 22:15:09 like weird lines on the screen (like it's using the wrong bit rate) and the keyboard didn't have any letters (I know where the problem is and a temp fix, but I don't know why it didn't get into the deb) Mar 02 22:15:45 I don't get it. I thought the debs would include everything that I built originally. Apparently not. Mar 02 22:16:22 I also found that debian has a relatively new version on their experimental repos. I'm considering trying them out. Mar 02 22:16:22 neatojones: are you using dpkg-dev? Mar 02 22:16:37 wazd: I think they intend it to be pressed with a finger, like the rest of the ui Mar 02 22:16:48 no. just dpkg-buildpackage -S ...etc Mar 02 22:16:58 e17 makes the debian files automatically Mar 02 22:17:19 it detects debian distro and makes the control and rules files automatically. Mar 02 22:17:22 that's what i've been using Mar 02 22:18:58 I'm really hoping someone else will use the original deb I linked to and troubleshoot the problem with me. Mar 02 22:19:16 neatojones: have the #e17 people helped? Mar 02 22:19:30 The said they don't know anything about debian Mar 02 22:19:43 lol Mar 02 22:19:52 ...i tried :D Mar 02 22:20:11 :) Mar 02 22:20:18 RST38h: it's just a sign, jou don't have to make sign to fill the whole button zone :) Mar 02 22:20:50 RST38h: just make the button itself large enough for finger Mar 02 22:21:59 But, I think since my builds are working fine (outside of the debs). Maybe I can build it into /opt/e17 and then tar that image and just have people upack it and add /opt/e17/bin to their path for bash Mar 02 22:22:06 wazd: maybe this rather ugly black theme is just a temporary placeholder... Mar 02 22:23:59 RST38h: hope so) Mar 02 22:25:30 I'm working to see how low of a memory requirement I can get on start up with Mer using e17. Mar 02 22:26:01 * b-man adds a new package called xorg-config to the ubuntu repo witch will automaticly configure xorg.conf, Xwrapper.config, and rc.local to make installing ubuntu even simpler Mar 02 22:26:19 b-man: nice Mar 02 22:26:47 i just hope it works properly :) Mar 02 22:27:00 i tested it on mine ;) Mar 02 22:28:45 i'm also creating a package called tablet-hwclock to fix the hardware clock problem :) Mar 02 22:29:34 * neatojones prepares to make a video of using e17 to make it easier to understand what it is like without installing. Mar 02 22:29:49 sweet :) Mar 02 22:34:41 oh man this is great Mar 02 22:34:51 this system runs esxi 10x better than my shuttle Mar 02 22:35:07 * b-man leaves to start building tablet-hwclock Mar 02 23:03:29 * neatojones isn't good at the desktop recording thing... Mar 02 23:04:59 Hello Mar 02 23:05:00 I recently installed Mer and I know it might sound stupid but how do I shut it down or reboot it? Mar 02 23:06:45 bogdanr, in mine 0.9 it appears, but I have a pre-build of 0.9 Mar 02 23:07:14 In mine I am sure it doesn't appear Mar 02 23:07:58 so the only option is type sudo halt in a terminal :) Mar 02 23:08:12 or try to start powerluncher Mar 02 23:08:44 VDVsx: What is powerluncher? Mar 02 23:09:45 bogdanr, Mer use powerlauncher instead of the close nokia power manager: https://garage.maemo.org/projects/powerlaunch/ Mar 02 23:10:31 Stskeeps, are you there ? :) Mar 02 23:12:24 bogdanr, is your first boot of Mer 0.9 ? Mar 02 23:12:46 no Mar 02 23:12:57 I think it's the 5'th or something like this Mar 02 23:13:22 so is really broken :( Mar 02 23:13:30 I kinda like it but there are many things that have to be improoved Mar 02 23:14:00 I wonder if this also happens in 0.10 Mar 02 23:15:05 Mer 0.10 isn't released yet Mar 02 23:15:19 Interesting Mar 02 23:15:28 0.9 is released today, I think Mar 02 23:15:28 I thought I saw an announcement Mar 02 23:16:28 My bad Mar 02 23:16:34 I have 0.8 Mar 02 23:16:37 Sorry Mar 02 23:17:37 :) Mar 02 23:18:09 I will install 0.9 now Mar 02 23:18:18 Do you know if libsdl is included? Mar 02 23:18:28 or of it's in the repo? Mar 02 23:18:28 download the new Mer installer Mar 02 23:19:19 yes it is, I installed frozen bubble yesterday Mar 02 23:19:36 cool Mar 02 23:19:46 you have almost the same packages that you have in ubuntu Mar 02 23:20:25 excellent Mar 02 23:20:44 If I want to help... what should I do? Mar 02 23:21:27 http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Sprints Mar 02 23:25:35 neatojones: how long does the original e17 take? Mar 02 23:26:14 I think it took me about 5 hours to build. Mar 02 23:26:23 the debs are quicker. Mar 02 23:26:27 does onscreen keyboard still work in the 2nd way? Mar 02 23:26:33 im running dpkg *.* now Mar 02 23:26:42 you said the default profile doesnt work for onscreen keyboard Mar 02 23:26:43 i have a n800 Mar 02 23:27:03 nope. I can't figure it out. You can make it work by downloading the .kbd files and manually placing them though Mar 02 23:27:15 onscreen keyboard doesnt work at all? Mar 02 23:28:14 Well, it pops up only partially. The .kbd files and .png's that tell it what the keyboard is supposed to look like didn't make it into the install for some reason. Mar 02 23:28:25 I can probably send the files to you if you have a place. Mar 02 23:28:35 can you send over irc? Mar 02 23:28:43 also, the screen seems to be using the wrong bit format. Mar 02 23:28:48 pkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of libecore-dbg: Mar 02 23:28:48 libecore-dbg depends on libecore0 (= 0.9.9.050-1); however: Mar 02 23:28:48 Package libecore0 is not configured yet. Mar 02 23:29:03 no packages installed. Mar 02 23:29:10 yeah. Mar 02 23:29:12 Hmm Mar 02 23:29:20 is the libecore0 file there? Mar 02 23:29:31 im running dpkg --configure -a Mar 02 23:29:35 hopefully that will help Mar 02 23:29:37 it should be Mar 02 23:29:43 try dpkg -i libecore0* Mar 02 23:29:56 its going Mar 02 23:30:11 sweet. that should install Mar 02 23:30:17 unless I somehow forgot it. Mar 02 23:30:24 dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of libecore0-all: Mar 02 23:30:33 the libecore0 installed fine though i think Mar 02 23:30:48 try apt-get -f install Mar 02 23:30:49 oh no it didnt Mar 02 23:31:05 you may have some dependency's missing Mar 02 23:31:44 wow that makes me want to download install alot Mar 02 23:31:59 77 not fully installed or removed Mar 02 23:32:31 It's installing a lot of stuff. Some of it may not be related to E17 Mar 02 23:32:54 nothing is related ;p Mar 02 23:32:57 pretty much Mar 02 23:36:32 you mean that they are for other programs? Mar 02 23:36:36 yeah Mar 02 23:36:40 libs, gcc and such Mar 02 23:36:48 It should install, but there are a few that you'll need Mar 02 23:36:51 X related Mar 02 23:36:53 ok Mar 02 23:36:56 x11proto.. Mar 02 23:37:00 a lot of those you don't need Mar 02 23:37:06 remove the -dev ones Mar 02 23:37:11 and you won't have to install all of those Mar 02 23:37:17 ah its okay Mar 02 23:37:20 you dont really need them any way. Mar 02 23:37:27 they're developer files. Mar 02 23:37:36 i know linux :) Mar 02 23:37:42 just bad at tablet work Mar 02 23:37:51 I figured. Just thought I'd throw the idea out there for you Mar 02 23:38:05 im going to shrink everything after i get desktop going and all Mar 02 23:38:08 like once im done Mar 02 23:38:16 going to see all packagesi have, and start removing what i dont want Mar 02 23:38:30 like manpages, i never use those Mar 02 23:39:07 would a n800 make a good webserver? Mar 02 23:40:06 ha Mar 02 23:40:11 I've started doing that Mar 02 23:40:28 I'm trying to get a really low memory footprint Mar 02 23:40:58 it's sitting at 40 right now, but I think if I get rid of several useless things like getty's and cups, gnome-keyring-manager, etc Mar 02 23:41:05 it'll get down to around 20 or less Mar 02 23:41:35 I'd also like to get enna going http://exchange.enlightenment.org/application/show/164 Mar 02 23:41:44 it seems to be a cousin to canola Mar 02 23:41:54 canola was probably derived from it Mar 02 23:42:08 oh i could help with that Mar 02 23:42:12 if you'll like Mar 02 23:42:20 that'd be great. Mar 02 23:42:33 I'm going to try to rebuild it in a bit. Mar 02 23:42:48 I'm working on a video of e17 right now. Mar 02 23:43:10 if you like e17, then I'd really suggest using the original deb. The results are much better. Mar 02 23:43:16 really? Mar 02 23:43:20 i dont have 5 hours though Mar 02 23:43:23 but, those packages are a nice way to test it. Mar 02 23:43:26 it'll run over night Mar 02 23:43:27 ill do it overnight Mar 02 23:43:27 ;p Mar 02 23:43:30 yeah Mar 02 23:43:35 but now i just want to see it done ;p Mar 02 23:43:40 yeah Mar 02 23:43:43 I understand Mar 02 23:43:46 that's what I was thinking Mar 02 23:43:54 :D Mar 02 23:44:22 don't forget to install gnome-menus or something or you won't have any applications on the desktop Mar 02 23:44:47 if that happens, let me know and I'll walk you though getting around it Mar 02 23:45:00 if what happens? Mar 02 23:45:15 if you have no programs on the desktop Mar 02 23:45:24 you won't be able to do anything useful :D Mar 02 23:45:41 not even connect to the internet Mar 02 23:45:59 oh Mar 02 23:46:14 doing the apt-get -f install still -.- Mar 02 23:46:31 hehe Mar 02 23:46:41 at least it installs them. Mar 02 23:47:07 the other deb has a lot of conflicts with the mer repo. So, you have to uninstall virtually everything to get it to install. Mar 02 23:47:21 (everything hildon and gtk related anyway) Mar 02 23:47:49 hmm. There is no mplayer for Mer??? Mar 02 23:47:56 can anyone confirm this? Mar 02 23:48:11 we're get it working Mar 02 23:48:31 is it in maemo extras? Mar 02 23:49:40 mplayer, yes Mar 02 23:50:15 it may be what's missing for enna Mar 02 23:51:27 i dont know debian all too well Mar 02 23:51:35 but there is a way to see what packages are dependent on what Mar 02 23:52:43 neatojones: may i pm you Mar 02 23:52:50 sure Mar 03 00:23:39 b-man, any idea where I can post the video? Mar 03 00:23:54 youtube Mar 03 00:24:00 ;) Mar 03 00:24:16 k Mar 03 00:24:33 * b-man trys to figure out how he can add hwclock.sh to his tablet-hwclock package without it conflicting with util-linux Mar 03 00:25:43 b-man: how come with your rootstrap, i cant get the keyboard to popup Mar 03 00:26:08 because it doesn't use hildon-input-method Mar 03 00:26:53 but you can use xkbd or matchbox-keyboard ;) Mar 03 00:27:52 hmm... "Temporary failure resolving 'repository.maemo.org'" in scratchbox :-( Mar 03 00:30:57 andre__: usual things are, is /etc/nsswitch.conf & /etc/resolv.conf correct. And what does 'which apt-get' say? :) Mar 03 00:32:40 E17 video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6aVu_mnz34 Mar 03 00:32:44 it's not the best... Mar 03 00:32:47 but it worked Mar 03 00:33:02 qwerty12_N800, /etc/nsswitch.conf didn't exist, added what was proposed by scratchbox, still not working Mar 03 00:33:03 [sbox-FREMANTLE_X86: ~] > which apt-get : /scratchbox/devkits/debian-etch/bin/apt-get Mar 03 00:33:27 [sbox-FREMANTLE_X86: ~] > more /etc/resolv.conf : nameserver 127.0.0.1 Mar 03 00:33:39 grrr. pre-alpha2 worked for me :-P Mar 03 00:34:38 odd, apt-get is the correct binary. have you tried adding your current dns server(s) into the resolv.conf? Mar 03 00:35:46 neatojones: awsome! :D Mar 03 00:36:05 qwerty12_N800, will try tmrw... thanks. probably going to sleep now, easier and less error-prone :-P Mar 03 00:36:46 hehe, 'night :) Mar 03 00:37:02 hi, how do I deactivate volume/bright indicators if I installed advanced-backlight? Mar 03 00:37:08 is there anyway to embed a video in iTT? Mar 03 00:37:55 * b-man has seen people do it, but doesn't quite remember how :( Mar 03 00:38:52 maybe [IMG]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6aVu_mnz34[/IMG]? - random guess Mar 03 00:39:12 neatojones: btw, what's wrong with your current e17 debs? Mar 03 00:39:44 the keyboard plugins don't get installed Mar 03 00:39:51 and the bit rate seems wrong Mar 03 00:40:16 neatojones: btw, what app did you use to record that video? Mar 03 00:40:17 never mind, newbie, settings - control panel - panels - status bar Mar 03 00:40:55 there are lines that go across the screen (like X is trying to use 16bit, instead of 32 and then converting...or something wierd) Mar 03 00:41:08 recordmydesktop Mar 03 00:41:25 b-man: recordmydesktop Mar 03 00:41:33 got it ;) Mar 03 00:41:35 got a source package up? I can at least look into the keyboard thing Mar 03 00:41:47 hmmm... wassup with maemo.org? Mar 03 00:41:56 site knackered? Mar 03 00:42:23 think the 770 > N800 upgrade is in progress Mar 03 00:47:01 probably didn't enable swap Mar 03 00:48:34 querty12_N800 I uploaded them to /incoming last night Mar 03 00:48:34 dude, I came up with revolutionary idea! Mar 03 00:48:46 They are also in zip format. Mar 03 00:48:46 would there be maemo 5 for n800? Mar 03 00:48:52 wtf with my nick... Mar 03 00:48:52 I'll get the web addy Mar 03 00:49:02 Hello Mar 03 00:49:19 AndrewFBlack: hola Mar 03 00:49:35 hi AndrewFBlack Mar 03 00:49:45 qwerty12_N800: http://www.savefile.com/files/2022795 Mar 03 00:50:02 neatojones: cool, http://repository.mer.tspre.org seems to be down :) Mar 03 00:51:00 np Mar 03 00:52:13 qwerty12_N800: If you don't mind letting it compile while you sleep try installing this deb: http://cafelinux.org/Downloads/oz-os/pool/main/e/e17-svn/e17-svn_1.2.3-3_all.deb Mar 03 00:52:33 it will download the svn source code, compile, build and install it. Mar 03 00:52:40 I don't have mer installed atm :/ Mar 03 00:52:42 it actually works * Mar 03 00:52:50 muh...nm then Mar 03 00:53:19 well, when you do :) ... Mar 03 00:53:51 hehe :) Mar 03 00:54:16 it's not the letter on the keyboard itself to blink everytime you press it Mar 03 00:54:24 it's annoying Mar 03 00:54:44 there should be a letter ghost right where you actually type Mar 03 00:54:54 gray or something Mar 03 01:06:36 * Mousey gives neatojones a medal Mar 03 01:06:57 Thanks Mousey! Mar 03 01:07:43 thank YOU Mar 03 01:07:53 i just wish somebody would package it for debian proper ^_^ Mar 03 01:09:48 it may be. Mar 03 01:09:56 look in debian experimental Mar 03 01:09:58 it isn't Mar 03 01:10:02 * Mousey waves fist Mar 03 01:10:05 oh experimental Mar 03 01:10:16 i consider myself a debian almost-expert Mar 03 01:10:28 but i don't have any experimental branches in my sources.list Mar 03 01:10:29 Yeah, I added the debian experimental repo and it is installable on my N810 in Ubuntu Mar 03 01:10:45 fascinating, captain Mar 03 01:11:49 deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ experimental main Mar 03 01:12:06 then simply sudo apt-get install e17 Mar 03 01:12:45 I'm thinking about seeing if those packages work and using them temporarily until the ones I made are working better. Mar 03 01:14:09 * b-man can't wait untill he can upload the e17 debs to the ubuntu-n8x0 repo :) Mar 03 01:15:24 then i can make a sys-env-e17 :D Mar 03 01:16:35 neatojones: what are the names of the keyboard plugins & where are they installed to with your svn deb? Mar 03 01:17:43 querty12_N800: /usr/lib/enlightenment/modules/illume/keyboards/ is the directory Mar 03 01:18:12 there is also a /usr/lib/enlightenment/modules/illume/dicts directory missing which should handle dictionaries. Mar 03 01:19:04 ah Mar 03 01:20:11 the files missing from keyboards directory are alpha.png backspace.png, Default.kbd, down.png enter.png , ignore_built_in_keyboards, left.png, Numbers.kbd, numeric.png, qwerty.png, right.png, shift.png, tab.png, Terminal.kbd, up.png Mar 03 01:22:14 * AndrewFBlack finally over loaded his server today lol Mar 03 01:24:25 AndrewFBlack: lol XD Mar 03 01:24:56 what did you do? Mar 03 01:25:19 Tried to run a Teamspeak server on it for some friends Locked it Slam up Mar 03 01:25:32 so lets just say that isnt' happening now lol Mar 03 01:25:44 hehe :) Mar 03 01:26:42 btw maemobox.org name has got to go I'm working on a few ideas for changes right now Mar 03 01:28:25 neatojones: in debian/e17-data.install, add "debian/tmp/usr/lib/enlightenment/modules/illume/keyboards/" (w/out quotes) Mar 03 01:28:47 ok Mar 03 01:29:21 and the same for /dicts? Mar 03 01:29:27 sure Mar 03 01:29:40 lol Mar 03 01:29:56 AndrewFBlack: will that effect anything in my section? Mar 03 01:30:02 ...besides having to re-name the ubuntu-n8x0 repo Mar 03 01:30:21 url Mar 03 01:30:48 everyones domain will change but thats it Mar 03 01:30:56 k Mar 03 01:31:06 I hope to make it was easy for everyone as I can Mar 03 01:31:19 qwerty12_N800: If you watch the video I post, you'll notice that there are lines on the desktop. That's what I'm takling about (the resolution or patelle is wrong) with the deb files. Mar 03 01:34:18 you sure it's not a isolated problem? easy_e17.sh doesn't seem to do anything wrt resolution Mar 03 01:43:49 qwerty12_N800: It doesn't make sense to me either. The thing is that the easy_e17.sh looks right. The debs don't for me. Mar 03 01:43:57 same N810. Same source files Mar 03 01:44:06 No clue why it would look different Mar 03 01:44:36 They don't stand out too badly. But, it just annoys me because I know they don't have to be there. Mar 03 01:45:39 Does anyone know how to annotate YouTube. I tried and failed miserably Mar 03 01:50:48 how do I set the DNS search for my N810? Mar 03 01:52:05 Ah, I guess they didn't turn out too badly Mar 03 02:00:33 qwerty12_N800: I took a look at that file... should it be just e17.install and not e17-data.install? Mar 03 02:01:42 e17 has the rest of the /usr/lib/enlightenment/modules/illume e17-data has /usr/share ...etc Mar 03 02:03:10 Where would i find apache/php/mysql .. for diablo? Mar 03 02:03:23 want to use nokia as webserver Mar 03 02:04:17 neatojones: e17....deb has just the .so files & e binary. data contains other stuff (and png's count as data imho if not directly needed by main app) Mar 03 02:07:07 how do I debug Telepathy's SIP interface? Mar 03 02:07:13 "Network error" is very vague Mar 03 02:08:17 Is there any command line utility for scanning for available bluetooth devices ? Mar 03 02:10:21 install bluez-utils-test (google) and then the standard 'hcitool scan' Mar 03 02:11:48 thanks qwerty12_N800 Mar 03 02:13:56 ok Mar 03 02:14:03 thanks qwerty12 Mar 03 02:16:31 anyone know where i can get apache? Mar 03 02:32:07 where can i find php for diablo ( web server running ) Mar 03 02:39:34 anyone online? Mar 03 02:39:55 me Mar 03 02:40:31 nobody here but us chickens Mar 03 02:40:42 any of you know how i can get php? Mar 03 02:40:51 really need to turn tabletinto web server Mar 03 02:41:02 sisto: not me. :p Mar 03 02:41:41 :) Mar 03 02:42:23 zakkm: first result on google: http://inz.fi/blog/2007/10/16/new-php-package-for-maemo/ Mar 03 02:42:33 no idea how stable that is though Mar 03 02:42:48 I just got my n810... what should I try first? Mar 03 02:43:07 * sisto is confused by all the possibilities Mar 03 02:43:32 theres alot to try :D Mar 03 02:46:42 is the firefox port better than the built in browser? Mar 03 02:47:29 hi zakkm Mar 03 02:47:46 hi disco_stu :D Mar 03 02:48:38 zakkm: i've been away from #maemo for a while.. Mar 03 02:49:03 zakkm: whats new ? i saw a cool video of virtualbox running on a n800 Mar 03 02:49:23 virtualbox/ Mar 03 02:49:25 isnt it vmware Mar 03 02:49:34 yeah.. that piece of crap Mar 03 02:49:42 my mind loves virtualbox.. Mar 03 02:49:43 lol Mar 03 02:49:52 i have virtualbox on my mac Mar 03 02:50:03 zakkm: vbox is awesome Mar 03 02:50:07 im just trying to turn my nokia into a webserver, but i cant find a php package ;p Mar 03 02:50:49 zakkm: i gues there's a packeage @maemo.org Mar 03 02:51:18 guess* Mar 03 02:51:22 there is no php package Mar 03 02:51:24 just apache Mar 03 02:51:27 which i think is odd Mar 03 02:51:28 zakkm: what about my link? Mar 03 02:51:39 sisto thats nginx, not apache ;p Mar 03 02:51:58 http://nginx.net/ Mar 03 02:52:13 zakkm: i'm using thttpd on my nit, but dunno if it has a plugin for php Mar 03 02:53:05 i need php include ;p Mar 03 02:53:06 what repos do you suggest for the n810? Mar 03 02:53:06 zakkm: did you check gronmayer's ? Mar 03 02:53:11 yes Mar 03 02:53:14 i added all repos too Mar 03 02:53:15 :p Mar 03 02:54:22 zakkm: http://www.gronmayer.com/it/dl.php?id=124 Mar 03 02:54:43 ;);) Mar 03 02:54:46 what is that Mar 03 02:54:59 its a .install to add a repo that holds php Mar 03 02:55:06 seriousss Mar 03 02:55:16 it's a virus! Mar 03 02:55:17 told ya to check gronmayer Mar 03 02:55:18 kidding Mar 03 02:55:39 it says chinook.. but should work Mar 03 02:55:47 my friend is going to freak Mar 03 02:55:55 www.gronmayer.com/it/ Mar 03 02:55:59 and search for php Mar 03 02:56:15 ohh Mar 03 02:56:18 i didnt see the -cli **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Mar 03 02:59:56 2009