**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Mar 07 02:59:57 2009 Mar 07 03:12:47 wtf Mar 07 03:12:55 i tell you if it's not one thing it's another :) Mar 07 03:13:06 filezilla won't xfer unless i am moving the mouse haha Mar 07 03:23:49 Macer, do like http://xkcd.com/196/ Mar 07 03:24:08 Fortunately there's no girl involved. ;) Mar 07 04:53:11 ~ping Mar 07 04:53:13 ~pong Mar 07 05:58:39 Pavlov, pong? Mar 07 05:59:18 hi Mar 07 05:59:46 so, for uploading to extras it looks like we're supposed to upload a src deb.. know who i should ask a few questions about? Mar 07 06:00:23 About creating a source deb or about uploading one? Mar 07 06:00:33 more the former i guess Mar 07 06:00:59 Well, jeremiah is the official debmaster. Mar 07 06:01:13 But a lot of the people in here can help. Mar 07 06:01:32 qwerty12_N800 might be around. Mar 07 06:03:54 ok Mar 07 06:49:27 Anyone knows how to parse .8Xu format? Mar 07 06:54:35 * ENTERANICK [W2I=000:u:0:000:] Mar 07 06:54:58 is there where you get help with web2irc Mar 07 07:24:27 jbodman, what kind of help do you need? Mar 07 08:06:40 morning, all Mar 07 08:06:55 moo johnx Mar 07 08:07:42 m00f RST38h Mar 07 08:07:46 morning Jaffa Mar 07 08:16:11 * johnx_ craves new hardware to hack on :/ Mar 07 08:28:00 http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/03/06/AR2009030603646.html?nav=igoogle Mar 07 08:28:09 WashPost at its best =) Mar 07 08:34:29 How to set proxy from my application in maemo? Mar 07 08:41:12 what proxy? Mar 07 08:43:00 hello Mar 07 08:43:10 anybody know where to find documentation Mar 07 08:43:23 on the n810 gps? (configuration, features, etc) Mar 07 08:43:23 maemo.org Mar 07 08:43:36 you have no direct access to n810 gps Mar 07 08:43:50 network proxy Mar 07 08:43:59 /dev/pgps Mar 07 08:44:02 http://search.maemo.org/search?q=gps+c+onfiguration&btnG=Search&site=maemo-org&client=maemo-org&proxystylesheet=maemo-org&output=xml_no_dtd Mar 07 08:44:04 But it is TI NaviLink GPS5300 part Mar 07 08:44:16 ok and how do I set what sentences I want? Mar 07 08:44:30 I know for navit that there are a few deamons in between Mar 07 08:44:31 a moment. Mar 07 08:44:36 but I want to check the raw gps device Mar 07 08:45:21 http://maemo.org/api_refs/4.1/libgpsmgr-0.2/ Mar 07 08:45:31 RST38h, thanks, will have a look Mar 07 08:45:32 http://maemo.org/api_refs/4.1/libgpsbt-0.2/ Mar 07 08:45:57 i want to do proxy settings within my application for checking it on X86 Mar 07 08:46:05 sans: 1. Install proxy, 2. make your application route accesses to localhost: Mar 07 08:46:24 RST38h, I just got navit to build for n810 using OpenEmbedded: http://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/Navit_on_OpenEmbedded_for_n810 Mar 07 08:46:34 so I am now looking into these things Mar 07 08:47:54 Install proxy ? Mar 07 08:49:22 RST38h:how do i install proxy? Mar 07 08:51:14 is there any api to set hostname and port number of proxy in my application Mar 07 08:57:06 is there any api to set hostname and port number of proxy in my application Mar 07 09:02:31 sans: No, should there be? Mar 07 09:04:46 hey, all Mar 07 09:04:57 * RST38h is getting really weird haiku-like spam Mar 07 09:05:01 haha Mar 07 09:05:15 I just found an uber-cheap source for erbium-doped laser rods Mar 07 09:05:19 Am I missing something or is it simply a case of another nigerian using automatic translation? Mar 07 09:05:24 and even cheaper xenon flash strobes Mar 07 09:05:33 jaem: You know what to do! Mar 07 09:05:39 hehe... I do indeed Mar 07 09:05:56 I'm not sure if we'll be able to get them across the border easily, though :( Mar 07 09:06:05 yeah it would be helpfull for me as i am deploping an app in GTK for which i have to connect to net but for that have to do proxy settings for my application Mar 07 09:06:07 Launch them straight into space. Mar 07 09:06:13 um...? Mar 07 09:06:22 I was thinking more like "build a laser" Mar 07 09:06:50 * RST38h was thinking more like "build a freaking huge arrays of lasers and DESTROY DESTROY" Mar 07 09:06:59 the rods are $20 each, presumably in decent condition, but sold "as-is" Mar 07 09:07:18 and the strobe to pump it is another $20 Mar 07 09:07:18 afaik, end surfaces have to be treated in a special way Mar 07 09:07:25 yeah it would be helpfull for me as i am deploping an app in GTK for which i have to connect to net but for that have to do proxy settings for my application Mar 07 09:07:27 yes, most likely Mar 07 09:07:30 we're looking into it Mar 07 09:07:33 but hey - it would be fun Mar 07 09:07:45 snas: You do all network access on your own Mar 07 09:07:51 sans: this includes proxying Mar 07 09:08:11 jaem: Depends on which government you are going to blackmail I guess... Mar 07 09:08:25 lol... they're not *that* dangerous Mar 07 09:08:42 jaem: Or are you going for a planet-destroying-scale device? Mar 07 09:08:48 they're the "burn your eyes clear through the back of your head" type, not the Death Star type Mar 07 09:09:26 we're seriously considering it, and I have some contacts at my uni, and elsewhere Mar 07 09:09:30 so it might work out :D Mar 07 09:09:38 fun! Mar 07 09:10:03 indeed Mar 07 09:10:07 Now if someone told methe format of the .8xu file... Mar 07 09:10:07 and dirt cheap, too Mar 07 09:10:13 although the optics might be pricey Mar 07 09:10:25 RST38h: did you try the usual places? Mar 07 09:11:14 you could always try grovelling at TI - they won't give you the format spec, but they'd probably appreciate it ;) Mar 07 09:12:01 * RST38h tried all possible places, no doughnut. Mar 07 09:12:28 * RST38h is currently reverse engineering the damn format and it looks easy except that some data seems to go to the same location in rom Mar 07 09:12:38 O_o Mar 07 09:12:41 is Jeremiah's e-mail address listed somewhere? Mar 07 09:13:03 RST38h: Didn't get u Mar 07 09:23:00 sans: How do you access a web site? Mar 07 09:28:38 by typing its name :) Mar 07 09:29:01 after an apt-get update/upgrade I get: Mar 07 09:29:02 The following packages have been kept back: Mar 07 09:29:02 libdb4.2 libxml2 Mar 07 09:29:07 any idea why? Mar 07 09:31:19 what r u tryin to install Mar 07 09:31:29 morning Mar 07 09:31:38 udovdh:what r u tryin to install Mar 07 09:31:58 sans, just an update/upgrade thing Mar 07 09:32:01 nothing special Mar 07 09:32:08 I did Mar 07 09:32:25 apt-get update Mar 07 09:32:29 apt-get upgrade Mar 07 09:32:33 jaem: not sure, google "jeremiah foster" and find his blog? Mar 07 09:32:47 and in upgrade I get these lines as part of the output Mar 07 09:32:48 sans: ok. what do you call "my program" then? Mar 07 09:32:49 The following packages have been kept back: Mar 07 09:32:49 libdb4.2 libxml2 Mar 07 09:33:12 * Stskeeps pokes his coffee Mar 07 09:34:12 hmmm Mar 07 09:34:17 apt-get dist-upgrade helps here! Mar 07 09:34:21 Jaffa: I did, and it had his IM addresses, but no e-mail contact that I could see Mar 07 09:34:29 see http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/69 Mar 07 09:34:46 Sts: what does poking do, aside from scald your finger :P Mar 07 09:38:01 jaem, you can try jeremiah AT devmodul.com Mar 07 09:39:21 http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jeremiah Mar 07 09:41:32 RST38h: I am trying to get data from web and display in an application Mar 07 09:50:33 thanks Mar 07 09:50:34 g'night Mar 07 09:55:31 sans: Sorry, either I do not understand what you are doing or you do not understand what you want to do yourself Mar 07 10:09:27 hi Mar 07 10:11:18 i am kind of a n810 noob and i have bunch of questions Mar 07 10:11:57 is anyone maintaining pidgin? it seems a bit outdated? Mar 07 10:12:41 * qwerty12 blinks as his function to launch the file manager with the correct folder in transmission actually works Mar 07 10:13:04 and is there any simple x11+openbox/fbpanel or lxde type gui for n810 instead of maemo? Mar 07 10:18:40 hello Mar 07 10:18:47 I'm having a problem with battery monitor Mar 07 10:19:05 it seems locked up - either always says battery low Mar 07 10:19:13 or that it's always charging Mar 07 10:20:30 happened recently, after an invalid shutdown I guess Mar 07 10:20:52 The icon or when you tap it? Mar 07 10:21:26 always, both Mar 07 10:21:56 it responds to charger being connected Mar 07 10:22:02 but not to it being disconnected Mar 07 10:22:05 Odd. If the icon doesn't animate when charging, "gtk-update-icon-cache -f /usr/share/icons/hicolor" works for me but you may have a different problem Mar 07 10:22:24 yeah, it's some bme failure Mar 07 10:27:13 I'd like some help with this... Mar 07 10:27:23 don't know what to look for Mar 07 10:35:41 hello! Mar 07 10:35:59 which repository do I have to enable in order to install sqlite3 cli Mar 07 10:36:09 into the scratchbox X86 environment? Mar 07 10:51:02 morning Mar 07 10:51:58 why is it not possible to remove a project from garage.maemo.org? Mar 07 10:52:14 because nobody needed it so far? Mar 07 10:52:21 :| Mar 07 11:12:58 mhm, with my last dist-upgrade on mer, the left buttons are not visible anymore Mar 07 11:13:06 it seems that all the “desktop” is shifted, in fact Mar 07 11:13:27 http://jaiku.com/channel/mer/presence/55050860 Mar 07 11:15:12 that's why :) Mar 07 11:15:13 thanks Mar 07 11:15:30 qwerty12, seems like refreshing the cache fixed it... wicked Mar 07 11:16:06 X-Fade, you broke the chinook builder at least: https://garage.maemo.org/builder/chinook/transmission_1.40-2maemo3-1.34dgfix3/armel.root.log.FAILED.txt :) Mar 07 11:18:27 Corsac: http://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/mer-closer.png Mar 07 11:24:32 wow :) Mar 07 11:24:34 is there an ETA? Mar 07 11:26:49 Stskeeps, build me Deluge Mar 07 11:26:52 ;) Mar 07 11:27:00 transmission is worse Mar 07 11:32:04 Corsac: all depends on when wazd shows up ;) Mar 07 11:32:17 ok :) Mar 07 11:37:51 X-Fade, I lied. Sorry. Mar 07 12:16:15 * Myrtti hums a cheery tune Mar 07 12:17:51 * Jaffa sticks sofa beds, desks and office chairs up on ebay Mar 07 12:21:34 selling all your possessions for the preorder of RX-51? :P Mar 07 12:21:56 Not quite :) Mar 07 12:23:00 TI82 added. Mar 07 13:31:59 hola Mar 07 13:44:13 hi Mar 07 13:46:11 morning Meizirkki Mar 07 13:46:14 new ISP? Mar 07 13:46:29 morning Mar 07 13:46:37 no, i'm just not at home Mar 07 13:46:44 ah Mar 07 13:47:42 whoever came up with gobject will be the first against the wall when the revolution comes Mar 07 13:49:40 I set my editor at my shellproviders to emacs and still my crontab -e throws me into vi ;____; Mar 07 13:49:44 * Myrtti whimpers Mar 07 13:49:53 export VISUAL=emacs? export EDITOR=emacs? Mar 07 13:50:00 * Stskeeps is a vim user but believes in choice :P Mar 07 13:50:11 Stskeeps: I put it in .zshrc and started a new instance. Mar 07 13:50:13 bah. Mar 07 13:50:19 (we were forced to use emacs at uni .. :P) Mar 07 13:50:38 we could use whatever we wanted at uni Mar 07 13:50:57 they didn't particulary care about programming langue either :-) Mar 07 13:51:07 I was taught how to do SQL92 with emacs and have loved it since Mar 07 13:51:30 the professor is quite well known in emacsen, I believe... so I guess he was a bit partial Mar 07 13:51:47 ShadowJK: yeah, it was like that after a bit Mar 07 13:52:11 * Stskeeps tries to find the needle in the haystack with hn-app-switcher Mar 07 13:53:14 bah. I did manage to get the crontab there anyway Mar 07 13:58:56 Myrtti: any good shopping list utilities for 770? Mar 07 13:59:22 * Stskeeps is trying to tablet-addict his fiancee :P Mar 07 13:59:57 build qt for 770 :p Mar 07 14:00:11 yeah, i was actually pondering that Mar 07 14:00:35 iirc, lbt has a older gtk version of shopper actually Mar 07 14:00:39 Stskeeps: not that I know of, haven't looked. I'm usually happy if my tablet has pdf reader for viewing knitting patterns, mauku for microblog and osso-xterm and ssh for irssi Mar 07 14:01:07 I have Mar 07 14:01:35 hmm, that could be interesting Mar 07 14:02:18 There's a deb if you want it - it works well Mar 07 14:02:27 it does sadden me that the amount of apps for 2007 (or OS2007HE2) is so small and installing the apps is such a pain in the rear Mar 07 14:02:51 I think Mer is about making sure that's not a problem for the N8x0 Mar 07 14:03:05 lbt: i may go for it - I don't have enough space for qt libs :) Mar 07 14:03:16 lbt: sure, url Mar 07 14:03:38 one minute Mar 07 14:03:50 Myrtti: i'm worried that Mer is slow on 770s :/ i am really amazed how 2007he runs on it though Mar 07 14:05:15 http://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/mer-oknotperfect.png Mar 07 14:05:31 hot! Mar 07 14:05:50 Stskeeps: wow, getting there :-) Mar 07 14:05:57 Where've the status bar applets gone? Mar 07 14:05:59 Stskeeps: I hope : http://shopper.garage.maemo.org/shopper_0.3.5_armel.deb Mar 07 14:06:01 did it take much hacking to make the task switcher work horizontal? Mar 07 14:06:26 johnx: i have considered once or twice getting whoever did hn-app-switcher drunk and getting him/her to do it for me. Mar 07 14:07:05 the 'drunk' part is a bribe or a comment about the code? Mar 07 14:07:12 both, i guess Mar 07 14:08:30 qwerty12_N800: how much does it say it must download for the Qt version of shopper? Mar 07 14:09:18 lbt: ~16MB, will take ~40MB when installed Mar 07 14:09:46 I'll look at the dependencies - it's supposed to only need a subset of Qt Mar 07 14:11:30 lbt: ok, doesn't work in 2007he, but that's what i get for running an old OS :P Mar 07 14:11:57 shame - I did have a chinook version IIRC Mar 07 14:14:17 i'll just have to get Mer working on it properly :P Mar 07 14:19:40 johnx: i'm just not sure if i like a constant dropdown instead like.. Mar 07 14:20:17 hello, can anyone help me with bluetooth DUN setup? Mar 07 14:20:24 Stskeeps, have you used anything with normal matchbox where you click on the titlebar to switch apps? Mar 07 14:20:40 no idea, i disabled the mb titlebar Mar 07 14:21:13 johnx: http://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/mer-dropdownapps.png Mar 07 14:21:23 IMNSHO one click to switch apps is nicer Mar 07 14:21:29 yeah Mar 07 14:21:32 but it depends on how many you're running I guess Mar 07 14:21:46 aaah, and have that in addition? Mar 07 14:21:47 i'm trying to let my brand-new n810 connect to the PC via bluetooth DUN and pppd Mar 07 14:21:49 I do like that Mar 07 14:21:58 but pppd always does a modem hangup Mar 07 14:22:07 incinerator_: Bluetooth PAN might be easier Mar 07 14:24:06 Stskeeps: -> #mer :P Mar 07 14:31:29 johnx: i think wazd's idea is basically Applications Menu, Menu (formerly titlebar), Running apps (+ switcher), Statusbar Mar 07 14:31:50 hmm qwerty12_N800 I removed all the qt libraries and it still needs 7/19Mb - I think that's as modular as it gets right now :) Mar 07 14:33:52 lbt: hehe, I really need to clone :D (although this card is slow :(, on a diablo extracted from the rootfs, I get stalling when booted from card :/) Mar 07 14:33:54 johnx: and adjustment of how many apps can be contained in running apps (number of items) Mar 07 14:37:24 Stskeeps: agreed, that's how I understand his mockup Mar 07 14:48:22 so about xrandr... Mar 07 14:48:30 someone said the new kernel has i Mar 07 14:48:31 t Mar 07 15:01:26 jott: ping Mar 07 15:01:54 ~seen jott Mar 07 15:01:55 jott is currently on #maemo, last said: ':)'. Mar 07 15:02:06 http://www.sse2.net/rotate/ refers to osso-software-version-rx34-unlocked_1%3a5.2008.43-7_all.deb which isn't there... Mar 07 15:03:10 He hasn't said anything on #maemo for a few months :/ Mar 07 15:03:31 just a ghost presence then... Mar 07 15:04:17 I think the %3a in that url may be wrong Mar 07 15:14:55 lbt, he is not a ghost presence, however the fontsize of his responses is measured using complex numbers Mar 07 15:15:16 Mar 07 15:15:30 well, if he's not here you'll do .... Mar 07 15:15:47 qwerty knows more about rotation lol Mar 07 15:16:08 not really :) Mar 07 15:16:16 oh well... Mar 07 15:16:17 jott managed to almost kill liqbase at the summit Mar 07 15:16:28 <-- never dealed with libxrandr Mar 07 15:16:30 this page http://outpo.st/rotate/ of jott's Mar 07 15:16:33 my mmc could not handle the speed boost Mar 07 15:16:39 has 2 debs Mar 07 15:16:49 http://www.sse2.net/rotate/ refers to 3 Mar 07 15:16:59 lcuk: burn your weakling mmc! Mar 07 15:17:06 ok Mar 07 15:17:12 osso-software-version-rx34-unlocked_1%3a5.2008.43-7_all.deb is missing Mar 07 15:17:35 wasnt there meant to be a kernel quilt built up of all these patches Mar 07 15:17:40 and wasnt qwerty involved :P Mar 07 15:19:50 i'm a member of community kernels but I dunno if that's ever gonna be active :/ : here's what I came up with : http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/kernel/uber_kernel.diff Mar 07 15:19:51 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=26758 Mar 07 15:19:59 lbt ^ Mar 07 15:20:11 %3a is a ":" Mar 07 15:20:25 http://wiki.maemo.org/Rotation Mar 07 15:25:19 I thought Diablo updates didn't need flash anymore and happened through the net... Mar 07 15:25:34 so why am I on OSSO_PRODUCT_RELEASE_VERSION='4.2008.30-2' Mar 07 15:26:05 you still need a flashable version to get started Mar 07 15:27:20 hmm I think my memory is going... do I need to do 'one last flash' Mar 07 15:30:09 i dont think so Mar 07 15:30:26 apt-get install osso-software-version-rx34-unlocked Mar 07 15:30:28 i recall something about people having a backass version number but still being updated Mar 07 15:30:46 34 is the 800 isnt it Mar 07 15:30:51 yes Mar 07 15:30:52 * lcuk thought you had an 810 Mar 07 15:31:02 no Mar 07 15:31:11 external GPS Mar 07 15:31:41 so when I mentioned shopper+GPS you probably linked it to 810 Mar 07 15:32:17 you have gps for shopper? Mar 07 15:32:24 soon Mar 07 15:32:34 is that so you can find your way back to the cheese? Mar 07 15:32:43 it was supposed to be Mar 07 15:32:51 lol need indoor gps Mar 07 15:32:54 but GPS and Sainsburys don't work Mar 07 15:33:00 I tried Mar 07 15:33:29 you could have your helpers standing with mirrors to deflect signals around and out the windows Mar 07 15:33:36 * lcuk enlists his children Mar 07 15:34:20 hmm, my ssh based install just said: Mar 07 15:34:27 Stopping Internet Connectivity daemon 2: icd2 Mar 07 15:34:31 and then nothing... Mar 07 15:34:51 lol Mar 07 15:35:04 why does it cull icd? Mar 07 15:35:22 I just did Mar 07 15:35:27 apt-get install osso-software-version-rx34-unlocked Mar 07 15:35:34 Leave it, it'll reconnect Mar 07 15:35:38 which appears to be doing a catchup Mar 07 15:35:48 qwerty12: yep - I ran top on the machine Mar 07 15:35:52 and dpkg is busy Mar 07 15:38:51 my tablet is telling me football scores Mar 07 15:38:58 I bloody hate football Mar 07 15:39:03 I'd rather have Skype Mar 07 15:39:06 Aaaargh Mar 07 15:39:29 still, I guess the upgrade didn't brick anything... Mar 07 15:40:36 hey lcuk - have you tried shopper 0.5.5 ? Mar 07 15:41:01 ive not got *any* space on my /, certainly not enough for qt Mar 07 15:41:08 * lcuk will do soon Mar 07 15:41:21 excuses Mar 07 15:41:22 shopper is the principle hello world app for qt :) you are a gateway drug Mar 07 15:41:49 tisnt excuses david, very impressed you have got something simple and usable in qt, it will be important to adoption Mar 07 15:41:56 trolltech bribed me Mar 07 15:42:18 lol Mar 07 15:42:20 I just want your opinion on the finger scrolling and gestures Mar 07 15:42:30 is it in extras? Mar 07 15:42:51 * lcuk will put it on the other one Mar 07 15:43:01 it is Mar 07 15:43:33 cool, ill get tracy to do it whilst im rebuilding her pooter Mar 07 15:43:35 http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/shopper/ Mar 07 15:43:45 no good now, she can search lol Mar 07 15:43:54 have you left both versions of shopper available? Mar 07 15:44:00 it's still on the downloads page Mar 07 15:44:00 or is there only 1 listed Mar 07 15:44:03 only 1 Mar 07 15:44:20 good Mar 07 15:44:27 I just uploaded the gtk version though Mar 07 15:44:34 if anyone needs it Mar 07 15:44:46 what so if i install from extras now its the gtk one? Mar 07 15:44:56 But let me say I hate Antony Dovgal Mar 07 15:45:08 no, sorry, extras is qt Mar 07 15:45:18 but someone asked for the gtk Mar 07 15:45:28 so I uploaded the deb to the website Mar 07 15:45:32 Myrtti and her 770 Mar 07 15:45:34 no links to it or anything Mar 07 15:45:40 yes that was it Mar 07 15:45:54 ill bbl :) ill let you know Mar 07 15:46:04 is Chinook == 770 ? Mar 07 15:46:31 I've got bora since I'm using OS2007HE2 Mar 07 15:46:48 OK - hmmm Mar 07 15:46:53 Chinook is the first edition of OS2008, 4.0. Diablo is the second edition, 4.1. Mar 07 15:46:58 not sure if I can build shopper for Bora Mar 07 15:47:34 qwerty12: you'll know... can I setup a scratchbox for Bora Mar 07 15:48:11 You should be able to, I've got my scratchbox set up for the Fremantle alpha & Diablo. Mar 07 15:48:37 Myrtti: do you want shopper/gtk? Mar 07 15:48:46 lbt: pls ♥ Mar 07 15:48:57 OK - no promises... Mar 07 15:49:59 lbt, you can run the http://repository.maemo.org/stable/3.1/maemo-sdk-install_3.1.sh script Mar 07 15:50:33 But check you have the scratchbox packages mentioned in http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/3.1/INSTALL.txt installed Mar 07 15:51:58 I'm mostly worried about the gtkmm bits **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Mar 07 15:56:47 2009 Mar 07 16:11:07 lbt - shopper is there but qt isnt Mar 07 16:11:42 qt is in extras-devel.... Mar 07 16:11:57 even not ready for extras i think.. Mar 07 16:12:20 or what do you mean? Mar 07 16:12:46 thats the point - shopper cqannot be installed without needing devel Mar 07 16:14:39 thopiekar: i herd you said i could not get AWN running on my tablet, so i did XD - http://www.bman.maemobox.org/projects/ubuntu-n8x0/screenshots/Screenshot-10.png Mar 07 16:14:58 XD Mar 07 16:20:36 lcuk: oh, I didn't realise that - grr - this is another reason we need extras, extras-test and extras-experimental Mar 07 16:22:19 lbt no, its the problem of using thne unreleased lib unfortunately, and its outside yyourf ontrol Mar 07 16:23:23 i would like to signup for specific testing of specific apps Mar 07 16:23:39 insstead of all apps from -devel Mar 07 16:23:44 yeah Mar 07 16:23:46 that's hard Mar 07 16:23:47 and i hate 810 kb lol Mar 07 16:23:58 bbl anyway Mar 07 16:24:06 'k l8r Mar 07 16:24:12 GeneralAntilles: ping Mar 07 16:27:38 lbt 7 mb download Mar 07 16:27:44 i see cheese bacon Mar 07 16:27:54 thought you might... Mar 07 16:27:59 i click add new Mar 07 16:28:05 bottomleft Mar 07 16:28:18 keyboard is locked in Fn mode Mar 07 16:28:29 ah, now that I can't test... Mar 07 16:28:31 it wont let me type letters Mar 07 16:29:00 maybe that's why Qt isn't in extras Mar 07 16:30:04 what happens if you close the keyboard? Mar 07 16:30:13 do you get the virtual one? Mar 07 16:30:51 sunno Mar 07 16:30:53 d Mar 07 16:31:05 https://garage.maemo.org/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=3482&group_id=424&atid=1605 Mar 07 16:31:06 ?? Mar 07 16:31:19 no Mar 07 16:31:40 david im vncing from tracys machine cant click Mar 07 16:32:24 err Mar 07 16:32:56 on what? Mar 07 16:33:17 virt keyb? Mar 07 16:34:24 Hmm, I can't run af-sb-init.sh start on my fremantle install; all that happens is a whole load of messages with two looking particularly nasty Mar 07 16:34:26 810 im touchtyping on the thumbboard lol Mar 07 16:34:36 matchbox: No composite extension Mar 07 16:34:36 matchbox-window-manager: *Error* OOM? Mar 07 16:36:46 So, any thoughts on how I get Xephyr to have a composite extension? Mar 07 16:36:56 Jaffa, in FREMANTLE_X86? Also, use "Xephyr :2 -host-cursor -screen 800x480x16 -dpi 96 -ac &" to launch Xephyr. (Mainly, don't have -extension Composite in there - sounds counterproductive but it only works if I don't have it in there) Mar 07 16:37:37 qwerty12: Ah, I didn't think I did have it, but I do. Ta. Will remove & retry Mar 07 16:38:10 Aha, much better. Mar 07 16:38:12 Ta muchly Mar 07 16:38:28 np Mar 07 16:43:40 lcuk: is it working yet? Mar 07 16:57:58 Stskeeps: how did you get the camera to work in cheese? - i remember you doing it but i've forgotten how Mar 07 17:08:47 well rotation in Shopper 'just works' after installing the right kernel ;) Mar 07 17:28:11 GeneralAntilles, the Rabid Defender :P Mar 07 17:29:25 lolmark Mar 07 17:56:24 hey, i seem to have lost audio capability in the debian chroot. does anyone know what could be the cause? Mar 07 18:05:11 * FireFox3 needs to find a more practical way to manage his repository - it's getting larger wich means it's taking longer to re-image Mar 07 18:05:56 (i'm on average uploading 300-450 files every time :P) Mar 07 18:06:38 FireFox3, what repo? Mar 07 18:06:48 ubuntu-n8x0 Mar 07 18:07:25 i'm adding e17 to it atm Mar 07 18:10:12 i need a way to just upload individual packages without having to re-upload the entire repository Mar 07 18:22:39 lbt, pong? Mar 07 18:22:42 sp3000, rawr! Mar 07 18:26:10 sp3000, I had to unsubscribe after I started getting off-list flames. Mar 07 18:26:12 Just not worth it. Mar 07 18:27:16 that's ...nice Mar 07 18:29:38 I wonder if Nokia's going to fuck us with the new categories. Mar 07 18:33:04 wb qwerty12_N800 Mar 07 18:33:27 hi FireFox3 Mar 07 18:37:53 * RST38h moos gleefully Mar 07 18:46:09 I will laugh so hard if Nokia ships before the Pandora. Mar 07 18:46:22 hehe Mar 07 18:46:53 Pandora shipping? In another world... :) Mar 07 18:47:44 In the 7th dimension. Mar 07 18:48:04 hehe Mar 07 18:48:04 lol Mar 07 18:48:18 I'll laugh even harder if they ship it and the damn things fall to pieces. Mar 07 18:48:26 buckaroo bonzai Mar 07 18:48:52 in a parallel universe Mar 07 18:49:07 lol Mar 07 18:49:47 GeneralAntilles: I'd put a fiver on Nokia shipping first now Mar 07 18:50:09 * qwerty12_N800 has an itch for an WinMo phone after playing with my sister's Xperia X1. Shame MS's bluetooth stack sucks balls Mar 07 18:50:24 Jaffa, yeah, it seems likely. Mar 07 18:50:30 qwerty12_N800, get a life. Mar 07 18:50:35 qwerty: WinMo is pure horror. Avoid. Mar 07 18:50:47 * GeneralAntilles chuckles at qwerty12_N800 picking the Bluetooth stack of all things. Mar 07 18:50:49 qwerty12_n800: bad idea Mar 07 18:51:43 qwerty12_N800, it's just the unfed gadget addiction talking. Mar 07 18:51:50 qwerty12_N800, wait for Nokia to get you a real fix. :P Mar 07 18:52:02 RST38h: sorry, was an avid winmo user before I had a tablet :p Mar 07 18:52:19 qwerty: My condolences =) Mar 07 18:52:30 GeneralAntilles: yeah, I'll see if the next device is the shit :p Mar 07 18:52:56 * FireFox3 allmost bough a ipod touch before he bough his N800, thank god i didn't buy thr ipod touch XD Mar 07 18:53:18 *the Mar 07 18:53:43 *bought :P Mar 07 18:58:14 hello, Meizirkki :) Mar 07 18:58:19 * b-man wonders why no one has botherd packaging the murrine configuration editor, ti should not be too hard to do :P Mar 07 18:58:45 * b-man hates his keyboard today :P Mar 07 18:59:19 b-man, hi :P Mar 07 19:04:30 Does Mers first-boot-wizard store username in some file??? Mar 07 19:08:12 or, is there any file that all usernames are stored? Mar 07 19:10:21 Meizirkki, /etc/passwd? Mar 07 19:11:10 thanks :) Mar 07 19:11:57 * _Brian_ wonders whare Stskeeps is :P Mar 07 19:23:26 lardman|gone, the Halo Wars box has a barcode for mobile phones on it. Mar 07 19:39:20 ~lart windowsxp Mar 07 19:39:20 * infobot gets a hotmal account and SPAMs windowsxp Mar 07 19:41:49 GeneralAntilles: I forgot why I pinged you - possibly to ask about Qt and extras-devel.... Mar 07 19:43:02 Oh yes - do you have an 800 or an 810? lcuk is having keyboard problems and I wondered if you were too Mar 07 19:43:33 oh, and do you have the xrandr kernel installed? Mar 07 19:43:33 lol im having a different keyboard problem, jake just got hold of my desktop again Mar 07 19:43:40 heh Mar 07 19:44:00 I'll be back in a bit - got to beat the wife Mar 07 19:44:04 at wii tennis Mar 07 19:44:21 heh Mar 07 19:54:41 lby: esddup? Mar 07 19:54:45 lbt: wassup? Mar 07 19:55:22 (with extras-devel and qt) Mar 07 19:55:28 hello world Mar 07 19:55:34 lo timelE61i Mar 07 19:56:33 jaffa, i installed shopper on my 810, but clicking new gave me ONLY numerics and "£$£$^$% type characters Mar 07 19:59:42 bTw, why did shopper spam community? Mar 07 20:00:11 spam? it was an announcment from the community to the community i thought Mar 07 20:01:00 should each app do that? Mar 07 20:04:01 timelE61i upto community members depending on if its listened to or not Mar 07 20:04:09 ie their choice Mar 07 20:05:04 surely more traffic to a community discussion mailing list which is NOT about bitching and moaning is a good thing Mar 07 20:05:37 heh Mar 07 20:06:06 i suppose it could be worse Mar 07 20:06:40 Mozilla dev planning has people complaining that the firefox after 3.0 will be 3.5 instead of 3:1 Mar 07 20:06:52 we could have a flamewar about announcements :P Mar 07 20:07:05 * timelE61i imagines maemo people insisting maemo 5.0 should be 4.2 Mar 07 20:08:16 sp3000: btw, we've been asked to do daily reporting Mar 07 20:08:27 oh joy Mar 07 20:08:36 Predicting using our tea leave reading skills all the bugs we'll fix that day Mar 07 20:09:26 So i suggest you buy some tea leaves and get some practice time in Mar 07 20:09:38 me fix bugs? :P Mar 07 20:10:01 The requirement was for everyone :) Mar 07 20:10:08 * timelE61i fixed one bug for the week Mar 07 20:10:24 * sp3000 grumbles Mar 07 20:10:30 I should get a new chair Mar 07 20:10:32 gah timeless, you could just put yourself on 1 simple one per day but constantly do more than you say and gain a rep as a superman! Mar 07 20:10:35 lol Mar 07 20:11:01 Start with, "Today I will dork around on the internet." Mar 07 20:11:12 sp3000, i didn't know you were a good chair thrower Mar 07 20:11:23 Anyone wants to test the new AT85? Mar 07 20:11:36 this one feels like an irc rofl will turn into a real rofl all of a sudden at some point Mar 07 20:11:41 (still missing faceplates for TI82 and TI83+, so it is not going to extras yet) Mar 07 20:11:46 Lcuk: we predict we'll spend all day predicting instead of getting work done Mar 07 20:12:12 yeah sounds like policy in some places ive worked Mar 07 20:12:23 Why is it missing faceplates? Mar 07 20:12:37 well, you just need to apply more buzwords Mar 07 20:12:39 Just haven't gotten to them yet, or...? Mar 07 20:12:45 timebox the predicting! :D Mar 07 20:12:47 derf: Wazd is doing the faceplates and I am afraid he is out of town for the long weekend Mar 07 20:12:47 faceplate designer has gone awol lol Mar 07 20:12:51 buzz even Mar 07 20:12:53 Ah, okay. Mar 07 20:13:05 sp3000: well, i finished my arch doc on friday Mar 07 20:13:07 * sp3000 suggests a timebox of 20 seconds Mar 07 20:13:27 Qa complained it had too many buzzwords in the first paragraph Mar 07 20:13:38 Something about html/xhtml useragent Mar 07 20:14:00 how can you avoid buzzwords in a browser arch doc? :P Mar 07 20:14:14 easy, make up your new ones Mar 07 20:14:27 * sp3000 idly wonders what a facepalmtree looks like Mar 07 20:14:35 lol Mar 07 20:15:00 sts: by saving everyone time by not writing/having one Mar 07 20:15:02 oddly, google image search fails me Mar 07 20:15:11 It's not like anyone will read it Mar 07 20:15:44 Sadly, one of our engineers said he could have used it when he first arrived Mar 07 20:15:57 i'd love to see the spec doc on hn-app-switcher.c, especially since i can't make heads or tails of it.. Mar 07 20:16:33 does it work on device now Mar 07 20:16:45 * Stskeeps goes dive back into it Mar 07 20:16:46 Jaffa: Qt is (apparently) in extras-devel but shopper (in extras) depends on it... Mar 07 20:17:18 timelE61i: what I can't market my product with an ANNOUNCE ;) Mar 07 20:17:48 If it doesn't work out of the box? Mar 07 20:17:50 No ;) Mar 07 20:17:59 which box? Mar 07 20:18:02 But i think you want -announce@ Mar 07 20:18:12 * suihkulokki wonders when the word "facepalm" slipped into common use Mar 07 20:18:18 wasn't aware of an -announce Mar 07 20:18:30 lcukx41: http://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/mer-dropdownapps.png Mar 07 20:18:34 you could make one :) Mar 07 20:18:41 suihkulokki: About 3 years ago? Mar 07 20:18:56 I just merged it into community Mar 07 20:19:00 Derf: i think it was older Mar 07 20:19:09 It has existed for longer, sure. Mar 07 20:19:14 But he said "common". Mar 07 20:19:21 Stskeeps: it's looking really really good :) Mar 07 20:19:43 sTs: i'm assuming that file is a stub Mar 07 20:19:46 lbt, im surprised the extras promotion let your app thorough since its deps are not available from extras Mar 07 20:19:48 lbt: i'm not at all happy with the code i had to manipulate to get that working though Mar 07 20:20:07 Stskeeps: yeah agree with lbt :) Mar 07 20:20:11 lcukx41: I agree - I'm not happy Mar 07 20:20:14 timelE61i: well, this particular interface is just functionality, artwork is when i grab wazd Mar 07 20:20:37 Yeah please file a bug against promoter Mar 07 20:20:43 It's clearly broken Mar 07 20:20:53 timelE61i: this is hildon-desktop non-fremantle, multitasking isn't in fremantle just yet Mar 07 20:21:00 Stskeeps: OK where's Mer at? what's the best way to help? Porting things? testing things? Mar 07 20:21:00 lbt, its something that we should get solved asap because if others start adding randomly to -devel it causes problems Mar 07 20:21:12 lbt: grab a vmdk and start playing, really Mar 07 20:21:23 timelE61i: namespace clash, sorry :) Mar 07 20:21:38 vmdk.... not scratchbox? Mar 07 20:22:10 sbox=evil Mar 07 20:22:11 lbt: make a "tablet-gdm", that shows a user list and doesn't ask for a password :P Mar 07 20:22:20 just a suggestion Mar 07 20:22:35 it would be good for n800 users ;) Mar 07 20:22:37 lbt: correct, mer on x86 is practically the same as on tablet.. scratchbox is just a cross-compilation accelerator Mar 07 20:22:43 you could also compile natively Mar 07 20:23:12 our builders go x86 (has to compile) -> scratchbox (do an accelerated build if possible) -> native armel (if sb failed) Mar 07 20:23:53 so if you implement some feature or whatever on the vmdk, it most likely is buildable on tablet too Mar 07 20:23:55 start here: http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Sprints ? Mar 07 20:24:32 i'd start out by grabbing a vmdk really and trying it out, and then if it fits your ideas of a sane system to start helping out with, http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/People and then the sprints :) Mar 07 20:24:47 vmdk can run in virtualbox & vmware, and we provide raw images for the rest Mar 07 20:24:53 vmdk = the -actual- mer system Mar 07 20:25:31 I was/am actually looking for a vmdk link... Mar 07 20:25:56 get the release 0.9 one? Mar 07 20:26:10 yeah Mar 07 20:26:17 http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Releases/0.9#Generic_x86_-_VMDK_.28VMware_disk_image.29 Mar 07 20:27:01 it helps a lot on development you can practically test it right away on the actual system :P Mar 07 20:30:48 alright - I'll start dl'ing and setting up... Mar 07 20:30:49 cheers Mar 07 20:31:14 setup? Double click Mar 07 20:31:37 double click - just higlights a word Mar 07 20:32:18 you need xmlterm :) Mar 07 20:32:32 right now I'm on a vanilla kernel and don't have vmware or virtualbox... Mar 07 20:32:38 Sp3000, ever used it? Mar 07 20:32:55 I run xen on another machine but that isn't ideal Mar 07 20:33:02 for several minutes, a few years ago Mar 07 20:33:03 lbt, it installs on device almost painlessly, ive even managed it/1 Mar 07 20:33:05 !!! Mar 07 20:33:20 heh Mar 07 20:33:40 even though I've got a hacked bootmenu? Mar 07 20:33:54 oooer then if you already hacked that you should know lol Mar 07 20:34:40 yeah - I forgot ... it's the alzhei oooh pretty..... hey - Mer looks cool Mar 07 20:34:46 people seem to like virtualbox... Mar 07 20:35:09 * timelE61i practices stair climbing Mar 07 20:35:15 * qwerty12_N800 a vmware person Mar 07 20:35:26 * lbt a debian person Mar 07 20:35:40 * timelE61i grumbles Mar 07 20:35:55 * qwerty12_N800 a ms-dos person Mar 07 20:35:55 debian hurt my xen prospects Mar 07 20:36:06 ? I run xen on debian Mar 07 20:36:17 I run xen *because* of debian Mar 07 20:36:27 * timelE61i wants to run debian on xen Mar 07 20:36:40 I do that - it's easy Mar 07 20:37:33 you need 2.6.26-1-xen-686 Mar 07 20:37:39 pv? Mar 07 20:37:45 yes Mar 07 20:37:53 :D Mar 07 20:38:23 Wanna walk me through it some time? Mar 07 20:38:40 http://pastebin.com/d79b5af9a Mar 07 20:38:41 sure Mar 07 20:39:16 to make life easy prep some lvm2 space Mar 07 20:40:03 Um host =snv107 iirc Mar 07 20:40:14 oh - that pastebin is from when I ran 2.6.2 Mar 07 20:40:20 2.6.18 Mar 07 20:40:36 So the store is zfs... Mar 07 20:40:47 * timeless tries to stop using the phone Mar 07 20:47:36 hehe Mar 07 20:51:39 qwerty12_N800: I don't think bora has libgtkmm - where's the bora pool? Mar 07 20:54:02 http://repository.maemo.org/pool/bora/ Mar 07 20:57:06 * lbt facepalms Mar 07 20:58:20 nah - there's no gtkmm in there ... Mar 07 20:59:04 Sorry Myrtti - looks like we'll need Qt on Mer on 770 Mar 07 21:01:39 lbt: ok, I'll just wait until I get my hands on my n800 and enjoy Mar 07 21:02:20 don't forget you'll need extras-devel accessible in order to get Qt Mar 07 21:07:09 ehlo, Myrtti Mar 07 21:10:05 i think after spending a couple of hours together with GTK, i actually want to learn Qt. Mar 07 21:10:24 RST38h: ack Mar 07 21:11:45 Stskeeps: I spent a long time learning gtk for shopper and binned it :) IMHO it's not a decision you'll regret Mar 07 21:15:45 david, your experiences with gtk and qt do make a compelling case for switching. Mar 07 21:16:24 lbt, what was your biggest problem with gtk though Mar 07 21:17:11 it wasn't as well designed, the docs were poor and there was no-one to help Mar 07 21:17:24 that's for C++ Mar 07 21:17:49 I wrote a few lines of C based gtk and went to find alcohol Mar 07 21:17:58 and I'm almost teetotal ! Mar 07 21:17:59 ah, so that's what that feeling is Mar 07 21:18:00 +1 lol Mar 07 21:18:40 gtk per se *isn't* bad Mar 07 21:18:52 the wrappings let it down for mw Mar 07 21:18:53 me Mar 07 21:19:20 when I converted my gtk app to Qt I almost did a text replace on the functions Mar 07 21:19:27 they are eerily similar Mar 07 21:19:30 i can see how that would be Mar 07 21:19:49 however - all the "this hack 'cos this doesn't work" bits Mar 07 21:19:51 isn't vala geared around giving the c++ style coding but also giving gtk at your fingertips Mar 07 21:19:53 were commented out :) Mar 07 21:20:12 heh, thats not the widget set, thats your mind :P Mar 07 21:20:40 nah - there were some genuine gtk bugs that I hit too easily Mar 07 21:20:44 Jaffa, am i right about vala being geared towards gtk and gobject in general? Mar 07 21:20:58 heck - helloworld shouldn't find bugs in a toolkit! Mar 07 21:21:02 lol Mar 07 21:21:35 qwerty12_N800, tracy FINALLY has a rebuilt computer btw Mar 07 21:21:55 hehe :) Mar 07 21:22:51 i ended up physically installing xp on it first then wiping all files and replacing with hers (cos no matter what i couldnt get the mbr/boot sector working) Mar 07 21:23:55 lbt, would you consider hacking at the default widgets to give touch fingerability to be easier than making new/subclassing alternatives? Mar 07 21:24:09 was this the computer that wouldn't run much? Mar 07 21:24:25 its the computer that runs sims perfectly Mar 07 21:24:34 ah Mar 07 21:24:41 jo Mar 07 21:24:46 its the answer to everyones prayers, cos there is not enough windows to be hacked Mar 07 21:24:47 depends what you mean Mar 07 21:24:49 size? Mar 07 21:25:00 gestures kinetics etc Mar 07 21:25:07 size is style based Mar 07 21:25:18 http://doc.trolltech.com/4.4/qapplication.html#globalStrut-prop Mar 07 21:25:47 qt kinetcs will be part of qt release in 4.6 or so Mar 07 21:25:56 animationframework too Mar 07 21:26:01 oh - Stskeeps you ought to skim the Qt docs - you'll cream yourself... Mar 07 21:26:04 size doesnt really bother me, ill have to look more closely but the thought of just using the default widgets but with a touch basis would be nice Mar 07 21:26:26 however the default events fire incorrectly for lists etc (ie you get the click instead of it moving the list) Mar 07 21:26:26 woglinde: you do Qt don't you... Mar 07 21:26:40 lbt I read the blogs Mar 07 21:26:52 oh, OK Mar 07 21:27:05 I was looking for info about Qt 4.4 and extras Mar 07 21:27:11 lbt hm? Mar 07 21:27:19 i think its gnutons domain Mar 07 21:27:25 lcuk jupp Mar 07 21:27:41 in the diablo extras-devel is qt4.5 now Mar 07 21:27:44 I've been a bit embarassed - I released shopper to extras only to find the dependencies are in extras-devel Mar 07 21:28:05 Mar 07 21:28:11 lbt, and i had to enable it to get it on, btw 7mb for the install was reasonable Mar 07 21:28:14 and after mysql hitting the repo too you have the qt-sql driver for it too Mar 07 21:28:35 I really must get back to porting ldap Mar 07 21:28:50 i always thought a widget toolkit should use libraries where possible, why does qt need complete internal versions thereof Mar 07 21:29:14 they're multi-platform Mar 07 21:29:15 ie webkit sqlite etc Mar 07 21:29:18 lcuk hm? Mar 07 21:29:27 lbt, the libraries are as well Mar 07 21:29:40 ie just makes the footprint larger for your apps Mar 07 21:29:41 not always Mar 07 21:29:43 webkit team is part of formerly know trolltech Mar 07 21:30:00 lcuk abstraction Mar 07 21:30:01 woglinde, ahh Mar 07 21:30:18 you have a well definied way in qt how to access sql stuff Mar 07 21:30:21 back to the widgets - if you want the behaviour to be different then yes, you need to subclass Mar 07 21:30:29 so you can change the backend as you want Mar 07 21:30:30 woglinde, surely they can have their own wrappers (like i do) Mar 07 21:30:33 I guess Mar 07 21:30:39 but I think there's a fair effort to make it touchable Mar 07 21:31:05 i understand it from one perspective, but from another it doesnt help Mar 07 21:32:08 ie if sqlite needs bugfixes, and i update libsqlite on my machine it should fix all apps using sqlite, but in qt's case it doesnt Mar 07 21:32:31 are you sure? Mar 07 21:32:37 what OS? Mar 07 21:32:47 from that i gathered i might be wrong on the specific but its what ive heard Mar 07 21:33:00 * lcuk factchecks Mar 07 21:33:05 hm Mar 07 21:33:07 depends Mar 07 21:33:18 you might have to relink other apps too Mar 07 21:33:19 in general it would use the shared library Mar 07 21:33:25 jupp Mar 07 21:33:35 it's pretty rare to be statically linked Mar 07 21:33:35 is it just webkit then that im mixing up?> Mar 07 21:33:50 maybe - that's a bit special Mar 07 21:34:18 I could excuse that it needs to be hacked to fit into a completely alien gui framework Mar 07 21:34:19 lcuk you have to have in mind that there are serval firms which bought a commercial license from qt and dont know much about linux stuff Mar 07 21:34:20 heh, sounds like a microsoft excuse for internet explorer ;) Mar 07 21:34:36 for them they have packed the picture libs and sql inside Mar 07 21:35:05 woglinde, im just pondering out loud, as i said i can see both sides Mar 07 21:35:36 i would just love to have qt baseline - which is the core widgets themselves Mar 07 21:35:54 timelE61i: oh virtualbox is up and looking pretty ... waiting for the vdk now... Mar 07 21:35:59 and I think qt is a great toolkit Mar 07 21:36:15 i agree woglinde Mar 07 21:36:40 * lcuk writes some drunken code Mar 07 21:36:40 lcuk: don't forget you can write Qt apps and have them run native on 'the other thing' Mar 07 21:36:41 lcuk hm but it is capsulated a lot Mar 07 21:36:52 you dont need a whole .net framework Mar 07 21:37:14 heh woglinde, i have the same issues with that Mar 07 21:37:56 so time for another epsidode of one piece Mar 07 21:38:19 yeah lbt, thats a REAL benefit of qt, but when you tell businesses it does that, they write a big complex windows app and complain when it doesnt run on something smaller Mar 07 21:38:33 * lcuk prefers to scale upwards Mar 07 21:41:58 can someone ls -lha on the symlink in the home directory? Mar 07 21:47:18 lbt: so um... are those 10. addresses magical for xen? Mar 07 21:48:28 wow, i had a 'repair wifi' dialog from wXP which got stuck, and it prevented my laptop from suspending Mar 07 21:49:23 i kinda think it's sad that Nokia seems to be the only ones who have gotten a internet connection daemon which actually seems fairly sane.. :P Mar 07 21:49:59 timeless no, my LAN is 10.0.0.1/24 Mar 07 21:51:31 Stskeeps: Mer1 is alive - that was actually too easy (once I'd compiled an installed a virtual machine kernel driver for my running kernel without rebooting - god I love linux... no, "please restart now" crap!!) Mar 07 21:51:50 kvm? Mar 07 21:51:59 virtualbox Mar 07 21:53:00 lbt: neato :) Mar 07 21:53:13 yeah - now, where's the code!! Mar 07 21:53:26 unless timeless wants to play with Xen? Mar 07 21:53:30 hehe, all around :P code.launchpad.net/m-r is a start Mar 07 21:53:53 oh my deity Mar 07 21:54:13 are you using a build system like, erm... Mar 07 21:54:37 handhelds.org Mar 07 21:54:38 erm Mar 07 21:54:51 you mean oe Mar 07 21:54:57 basically they're debian source packages all of them, and we have an imager of sorts that generate the various OS'es.. Mar 07 21:55:20 openembedded Mar 07 21:55:22 oe Mar 07 21:55:40 so we build them like debian packages should be built, dpkg-buildpackage and upload to a repo ;) Mar 07 21:55:53 yep - oe is a meta build system Mar 07 21:55:54 that approach does have problems but it works Mar 07 21:56:08 it runs dpkg-build on all the sources... Mar 07 21:56:10 IIRC Mar 07 21:56:16 but you're not and that's OK Mar 07 21:56:19 yeah Mar 07 21:56:35 we pin on top of ubuntu so it makes it difficult Mar 07 21:57:04 you have seen it though : http://wiki.openembedded.net/index.php/Main_Page Mar 07 21:57:55 i figured if we were going to use OE or anything we might as well be doing Mamona :P Mar 07 21:58:08 maona is based on oe Mar 07 21:58:15 I only know it from my openzaurus days Mar 07 21:59:55 *nod* Mar 07 22:00:24 we have a .. homemade builder infrastructure which is basically an amateurish pbuilder and a scratchbox builder Mar 07 22:01:07 would it be a good idea to start moving to a more scalable thing like mamona/oe? or isn't that a useful discussion yet? Mar 07 22:01:46 when I last used oe I typed 'oe build' and a few days later got a full distro - kinda like gentoo but grown-up :) Mar 07 22:03:01 anyhoo - my virtualbox only just booted so it's a bit premature.. Mar 07 22:03:02 yeah, well, we are closer to debian for the fact most of maemo is debian package based :) Mar 07 22:03:25 so, that's just a choice Mar 07 22:03:47 gentoo has some advantages and debian has some, so Mar 07 22:04:06 and i would say debian packages and building them is quite scalable :P Mar 07 22:04:08 yeah - I'm just being confused about usind the oe buildsystem to build a set of debian packages - not sure it makes sense or even does that Mar 07 22:04:41 ignore me for a bit whilst I get my head round things :) Mar 07 22:04:46 hehe Mar 07 22:06:09 Is it true that GIMP does not let users draw rectangles, circles etc? I cannot find these anywhere in the menus Mar 07 22:07:27 RST38h: the GNU hive mind does not believe in rectangles and circles Mar 07 22:08:28 RST38h: select a circle/elipse Mar 07 22:08:37 click select-to-path Mar 07 22:08:42 stroke-path Mar 07 22:08:59 it's just too powerful for the mortal mind Mar 07 22:09:59 however inkscape is pretty damned hot too if you want mere geometry Mar 07 22:10:18 (witness the awesome Shopper logo!) Mar 07 22:13:31 lbt: Ah! Thanks! Mar 07 22:13:53 Sts: lbt is right - this thing is way too powerful to be usable Mar 07 22:13:59 oops - Mer captured my mouse Mar 07 22:14:19 once you get used to how it works it's very nice :) Mar 07 22:14:25 hi rst Mar 07 22:14:31 but for 'drawing'... Mar 07 22:14:36 have you tried Xara? Mar 07 22:16:14 lbt, no N810, no rotation atm. Mar 07 22:16:41 GAN800: OK - I need more testers then ;) Mar 07 22:16:44 GAN800: poll, SSU, possible raging fit, btw.. Mar 07 22:18:29 can I talk someone into running ls -lha in ~/ and telling me what the symlink is? I removed mine and would like it back. Mar 07 22:19:40 Stskeeps, raging fit? Mar 07 22:20:15 GAN800: well, ok, maybe a bit exagratted :) but sounds a bit like no more SSUs? Mar 07 22:20:23 (sp) Mar 07 22:20:55 dick-richardson: ? Mar 07 22:21:02 Stskeeps, yeah, well, I'm launching a frontal assault on Nokia HQ, so they better watch the fuck out. Mar 07 22:21:55 GAN800: anything to do with the rotation bug comments... ? Mar 07 22:21:55 lbt, there's a symlink in user's home directory that affects UI (hiding the mouse pointer, etc.)...I removed mine for some reason weeks ago and would like it back Mar 07 22:22:40 .icons -> /usr/share/user-icons is the only symlink I have there Mar 07 22:22:47 GAN800: mm Mar 07 22:22:49 that's the one. :) Mar 07 22:22:58 * Stskeeps goes back to hn-app-switcher.c and hn-app-button.c Mar 07 22:23:02 :) Mar 07 22:23:08 you're good people, lbt Mar 07 22:23:21 we aim to please Mar 07 22:23:27 can I get the owner and permissions on it? Mar 07 22:23:44 only if you promise to download Shopper and test it for me! Mar 07 22:23:54 fair enough Mar 07 22:24:05 symlinks don't have owner/perms Mar 07 22:24:13 so root/root is OK Mar 07 22:24:31 and they appear as lrwxrwxrwx Mar 07 22:24:36 (AFAIUI) Mar 07 22:25:14 :) you gotta link to shopper? Mar 07 22:25:32 Seriously, Stskeeps, we didn't go through all that categories bullshit to have Nokia assrape us like this. Mar 07 22:25:41 as it happens... http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/shopper/ Mar 07 22:25:52 you need extras-devel though Mar 07 22:25:55 for Qt Mar 07 22:25:57 already got it Mar 07 22:26:11 cool ;) Mar 07 22:26:29 GAN800: where are you getting this? Mar 07 22:27:02 lbt, Mara said no more SSU's. Mar 07 22:27:50 where? - just looking for the source to save you repeating it :) Mar 07 22:28:11 Which means no new package categories for Diablo, which means I'm going to start killing people. Mar 07 22:28:17 lbt, itT. Mar 07 22:28:22 OK Mar 07 22:28:37 GAN800: mm, nothing i was directly involved in, but it is the danger of vendor-controlled OS'es Mar 07 22:28:41 * GAN800 is too lazy to open the browser and copy/paste the URL on a tablet. Mar 07 22:28:48 's OK Mar 07 22:29:00 I just dl'ed Mer.... Mar 07 22:29:02 Stskeeps, doesn't matter, they're still getting hell for it. Mar 07 22:29:20 (those statements were not connected BTW) Mar 07 22:29:36 lbt: http://internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=27348&highlight=ssu Mar 07 22:30:19 Seriously, it's not like they didn't have time to integrate it and it's not like we didn't do all they goddamn work. Mar 07 22:31:06 They are __NOT__ going to fragment us like this because they're too lazy to ship one more goddamn update. Mar 07 22:31:56 I could point out that there's a major credit crunch on at the moment and this could not be the best timing on either side... Mar 07 22:32:19 I do hear what you say though Mar 07 22:33:25 lbt, not flying here. :) Mar 07 22:33:49 it may (or may not be) a factor Mar 07 22:33:56 couldn't that work be applied in rx-? Mar 07 22:34:24 if it supports N8x0 ? Mar 07 22:34:39 well, yeah Mar 07 22:35:05 or in the back-ported version that is Mar 07 22:35:19 someone was on earlier trying to run my apps on her N770 Mar 07 22:35:22 or is Mer it? Mar 07 22:35:28 my Diablo app Mar 07 22:35:31 We can't ship two separate sets of categories for Diablo and Fremantle. Mar 07 22:39:31 3 if mer has to stand alone :P Mar 07 22:39:36 damnit my wife already left. I was gonna have her test your app, lbt Mar 07 22:40:09 heh - no worries Mar 07 22:49:06 Stskeeps: so how do I setup a/the builder? Mar 07 22:56:45 good nite Mar 07 23:07:07 Stskeeps: basically I need to be able to run or fool ./configure Mar 08 01:13:34 ~ping Mar 08 01:13:39 ~ping Mar 08 01:13:54 :/ Mar 08 01:13:57 ~pong Mar 08 01:13:58 ~pong Mar 08 01:14:03 :) Mar 08 01:24:51 hmmm Mar 08 01:56:07 * b-man installs google-gadgets-gtk in his ubuntu install on his N800 :) **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Mar 08 02:59:57 2009