**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Mar 09 02:59:57 2009 Mar 09 03:34:38 lenny is great Mar 09 04:19:12 yes yes, we all like lenny, he's not too bright though Mar 09 04:19:39 always asking about the rabbits... Mar 09 04:42:54 Proteous, gftp does ssh as well Mar 09 04:49:03 I like winscp Mar 09 04:49:37 it does ftp sftp and scp Mar 09 04:51:58 ah cool, where's the winscp package for maemo? :D Mar 09 04:52:31 johnx: *win*scp Mar 09 04:52:33 ;) Mar 09 04:52:49 heh Mar 09 04:53:11 I wasn't aware that Maemo was a MS OS Mar 09 04:53:15 hehe Mar 09 04:54:55 was making a point :> though it could just be the word "win"... Mar 09 04:56:36 fair enough, but El Goog says that it is Windows-only Mar 09 04:56:58 does anyone know what distro this runs: http://www.eurotech.com/EN/products.aspx?pg=Zypad%20WL%2011XX&pc=414 ? Mar 09 04:57:09 aside from the QVGA 3.5" LCD, it looks quite nice Mar 09 04:57:16 well, the proc could use a boost, too Mar 09 04:58:56 jaem: would be really nice if it was waterproof Mar 09 04:58:56 maybe something with qtopia? Mar 09 04:59:08 doc|work, yeah, that would be important Mar 09 04:59:11 jaem: for people who do watersports Mar 09 04:59:13 johnx: that sounds reasonable Mar 09 04:59:14 especially Mar 09 04:59:31 jaem: Mar 09 04:59:31 if it had a better screen, I would be quite interested in it.... Mer, anyone? :P Mar 09 04:59:31 Environmental: Mar 09 04:59:31 ? Water resistant Mar 09 05:03:57 yeah, though I have mixed feelings about wrist computers that big Mar 09 05:04:07 not just from a fashion point of view either Mar 09 05:04:39 well, it doesn't look massive - just ugly Mar 09 05:04:52 3.5" is the screen diagonal Mar 09 05:04:57 yes Mar 09 05:05:06 it's not exactly small :) Mar 09 05:05:18 then again, I usually walk around with several belt pouches, stuffed cargo pants, a gadget holster, and a few other things Mar 09 05:05:51 yeah, but it's different when it's on your wrist vs on your waist Mar 09 05:06:12 I'd rather have a decent sized screen than look fashionable Mar 09 05:06:15 I don't anyway :P Mar 09 05:07:03 like I said, I'd be more worried about it being awkward and getting in the way and weighing more than a half pound Mar 09 05:07:16 that's true Mar 09 05:07:28 but I had a better idea anyways :) Mar 09 05:07:36 as soon as it gets better specs, and a price I can afford, instead of "contact our sales dept", I'm on it :p Mar 09 05:07:37 oh? Mar 09 05:07:38 you've seen the augmented reality stuff, right? Mar 09 05:07:43 some, yes Mar 09 05:08:06 a friend i showed that device to was joking about Star Wars style wrist holo-communicators Mar 09 05:08:20 ah :) Mar 09 05:08:28 yeah, that's what I was thinking Mar 09 05:08:29 I said you could just have augmented reality goggles an d a plain metal armband with marker dots on it Mar 09 05:08:39 no electronics needed in the armband Mar 09 05:08:53 actually, that does make more sense Mar 09 05:08:55 you'd just need to track it with a camera Mar 09 05:09:11 I wouldn't mind having it be a functional watch when I didn't have goggles on though Mar 09 05:09:18 I've seen a demo of that done with a kid's picture book turning 3D when you looked through goggles Mar 09 05:09:20 haha Mar 09 05:10:07 now all that's left is semi-transparent video glasses for some kind of reasonable price Mar 09 05:11:39 yeah... have you seen anything close? Mar 09 05:11:43 even for a high price? Mar 09 05:12:35 hm Mar 09 05:12:41 I've seen something that just covers the bottom of your vision Mar 09 05:12:46 but it's not stereo Mar 09 05:12:54 same picture in each monitor Mar 09 05:13:50 and qvga Mar 09 05:13:55 ouch, forgot about that last part Mar 09 05:14:00 http://www.myvu.com/Shades-C25.aspx Mar 09 05:14:22 http://www.formfiftyfive.com/?s=GE+augments Mar 09 05:14:55 yeah, was looking at that last night, but I don't have a webcam :) Mar 09 05:15:16 I do on my laptop but I don't have a printer Mar 09 05:15:17 lol Mar 09 05:15:32 maybe you could just draw the dots? :D Mar 09 05:15:36 heh Mar 09 05:15:53 actually, I don't have a printer either, but I didn't even remember that last night ... Mar 09 05:19:28 I read somewhere (pamphlet at the optometrist's?) that the average adult human eye is roughly analogous to 100MP Mar 09 05:19:40 I'm not sure what that's based on Mar 09 05:19:49 but QVGA is definitely not good enough Mar 09 05:20:00 someone pulled it out of their, er, backside Mar 09 05:20:54 my eye's fstop is all messed up Mar 09 05:21:18 I think I read that it was something like 2000px by 2000px Mar 09 05:21:25 but again, don't remember the source :) Mar 09 05:21:40 it's better than QVGA, at any rate Mar 09 05:22:34 if you were just using it for a HUD then maybe it wouldn't be so bad... Mar 09 05:22:43 mmhmm Mar 09 05:23:54 are those those MyVu glasses actually for augmented vision, or just a glance-down-for-your-movie-glance-up-before-you-walk-off-the-cliff deal? Mar 09 05:24:08 if you have to switch back and forth, they wouldn't be of much use Mar 09 05:24:27 the latter :) Mar 09 05:24:41 but you have to glance down at your wrist intentionally anyways Mar 09 05:24:52 yes, but you could do other things Mar 09 05:25:29 like paint markers on your friend's jackets that are invisible under normal light, and then have your HUD tag them with a special camera :P Mar 09 05:26:07 * johnx imagines jaem sneaking around his friends' closets with some type of IR visible paint ... Mar 09 05:26:20 I /was/ kidding Mar 09 05:26:28 but I'm really bad with names Mar 09 05:26:29 but now you're not? :P Mar 09 05:27:01 there are people at my uni who I met in first week, and have forgotten their names for over a year, despite seeing them several times a week >_< Mar 09 05:27:04 yeah, I am too, but I can't picture the world presenting nice universal tags yet Mar 09 05:27:34 so I end up finding excuses to ask their name, like putting their contact info into my PIM app, and asking them how they spell their name Mar 09 05:27:39 me: "how do you spell that?" Mar 09 05:27:46 them: "B. O. B...." Mar 09 05:27:50 me: >_< Mar 09 05:28:04 lol Mar 09 05:28:10 it's happened Mar 09 05:28:21 yeah Mar 09 05:28:29 I've used the same trick to similar results Mar 09 05:29:09 grr... we have these dials on the heat vents in our dorms Mar 09 05:29:12 I guess at this point AR seems like an opportunistic, proof-of-concept type thing, not a world changing thing...yet Mar 09 05:29:16 the problem is, they don't seem to actually DO anything Mar 09 05:29:24 johnx: then we need to change the world :P Mar 09 05:29:41 right, but in the meantime I want a usable proof of concept :) Mar 09 05:30:16 also, re: heat. My uni had central steam heat (!). They turned it on once a year and off once a year Mar 09 05:30:17 oh yeah... that Mar 09 05:30:54 well, it's kind of bad. In the dead of winter, you need to open and close your window about every 15 minutes, to keep it a liveable temperature Mar 09 05:31:10 what that means in practice is that you end up cold, and still stinking of sweat Mar 09 05:31:28 yeah, then there would be a sudden heat wave, and they would decide to turn it off, then it would get freezing again... Mar 09 05:31:59 central steam heat is problematic Mar 09 05:32:06 but when it works, its so nice Mar 09 05:32:30 re: AR. the world does present a lot of tags that are worth knowing, even if we're a little far from on the fly OCR still... Mar 09 05:34:33 even if AR goggles could just parse out barcodes and qr codes it would be a nice step, and maybe provide a nice compass/map view when idle Mar 09 05:34:59 I'm also interested in some of those augmented-senses experiments Mar 09 05:35:10 the compass-belt one? Mar 09 05:35:14 yeah, that Mar 09 05:35:20 I was actually tempted to try it Mar 09 05:35:20 that looked quite neat :) Mar 09 05:35:32 * jaem heads to Digikey to check digital compass prices Mar 09 05:35:56 have you seen the one where they were swinging a bat at the guy from behind and it triggered motion/range detectors that alerted him? Mar 09 05:36:03 no - link? Mar 09 05:36:15 errr...was a while ago, let me find it Mar 09 05:36:18 then there was the one where they made people where video goggles that inverted everything, and after several weeks, their brains flipped it back automatically Mar 09 05:36:28 then when they took them off, everything was upside down again >_< Mar 09 05:37:23 hmmm... I was looking for a compass in the *sub*-$800 range Mar 09 05:37:33 and I don't need RS-485 Mar 09 05:38:33 get that htc android powered digital compass. it comes with a cell phone :) Mar 09 05:38:40 haha Mar 09 05:38:58 I think Android is an interesting phenomenon, and hopefully a good thing for the market, but I don't want one, personally Mar 09 05:39:17 it's cheaper than an $800 compass though :) Mar 09 05:39:19 do you know how the OpenMoko OS is doing these days? I haven't been following it for a while Mar 09 05:39:30 well, there are $35 compasses, too :) Mar 09 05:39:41 also, before I forget: I have the AR solution to forgetting names. have your device associate names with bluetooth devices that person carries :) Mar 09 05:40:17 isn't there a maemo package for that? Mar 09 05:40:20 in Garage? Mar 09 05:40:28 is there? Mar 09 05:40:32 I think so Mar 09 05:40:38 blue radar, or some such thing Mar 09 05:41:08 the one issue with that is that the devices either have to be always discoverable (bad) or you have to keep interrogating the vicinity for known MACs (also bad) Mar 09 05:42:51 Or interrogate the vinicity only when you need some information (not quite as bad) Mar 09 05:43:04 * benson isn't away Mar 09 05:43:36 true, but with BT's range, it's probably quicker to walk around the immediate area to see if your friends are there, rather than scanning for them Mar 09 05:43:45 hello, qgil Mar 09 05:43:46 mornin' Mar 09 05:44:07 Anyone use cairo clock much? (on maemo) Trying to change theme. Mar 09 05:44:13 is it just me feeling that there has been a new wave of Maemo newbies? Mar 09 05:44:22 benson: we need one of those BT mods that can throw a signal a few clicks Mar 09 05:44:23 qgil: no Mar 09 05:44:33 qgil: looks like it to me, too Mar 09 05:44:48 qgil: it's because of the $220 price on buy.com a while back. Mar 09 05:45:16 I wonder whether they are new N8*0 users, former ussers re-attracted by Fremantle announcements, both... Mar 09 05:45:22 many of them seem to have good linux skills Mar 09 05:45:28 $220? I got mine for ~$190 Mar 09 05:45:30 benson: ah ok Mar 09 05:46:20 ~$200 seems to be the magic price for an impulse purchase by linux users who want to hack/play Mar 09 05:46:23 jaem: Yes! But those are mostly directional antennae, so we'll need a helmet with a radome... Mar 09 05:46:23 honestly, does anyone buy N8*0 for anything other than Linux? Mar 09 05:46:46 luke-jr, yes Mar 09 05:46:56 benson: this is sounding more and more like it might make the boys at your local telecom regulations office upset :P Mar 09 05:47:03 O.o Mar 09 05:47:26 luke-jr: I bought mine largely because it ran Linux, but it was also (IMO) one of the best options that wasn't a phone Mar 09 05:47:50 I wouldn't mind phone tech builtin Mar 09 05:48:02 I'm hoping to use it to keep me more organized Mar 09 05:48:06 but I don't run non-Linux :p Mar 09 05:48:21 I wouldn't either, but I'm stuck on a plan with Telus, a Canadian cell carrier who doesn't actually run anything from this century Mar 09 05:48:37 so if I bought a smartphone now, it would be rather useless Mar 09 05:48:43 my phone isn't from this century, I think Mar 09 05:48:47 luke-jr: Yes, haven't you seen the rant threads on itT from people who bought it for other reasons than Linux and didn't like it? Mar 09 05:49:07 benson: haha, no, I let Google filter what I read at ITT ;) Mar 09 05:49:38 They're good for entertainment. Mar 09 05:50:06 OT, but is Archos as bad as people say they are, in terms of being closed and unfriendly? I'm trying to convince a friend to pick up an N8x0, but he's eyeing the Archos units Mar 09 05:50:20 Linux was a good part of why I bought mine and I'm slightly disappointed; I can only imagine how bad it would be for someone who couldn't care less Mar 09 05:50:21 But it's hard to tell the sincere ones from the trolls sometimes. I just cannot understand a lot of (presumably honest) viewpoints. Mar 09 05:50:55 I knew what I was buying, so I'm not disappointed Mar 09 05:51:07 if the RX-51 was closer to coming out, I might have waited Mar 09 05:51:10 but I'm pretty happy Mar 09 05:51:20 jaem: my disappointment isn't N8*0-specific, tbh Mar 09 05:51:27 jaem: I don't have any Archosen, but from everything I've read, yes. Mar 09 05:51:30 it's more of my general disappointment in the low quality of every OS Mar 09 05:51:42 it's just annoying that the RX-51 looks to fix all the things I /did/ find annoying about the N810 Mar 09 05:51:48 benson: thanks Mar 09 05:51:53 benson, lot's of people ascribe functionality to things they're planning to buy that has no basis in reality. It's an interesting phenomenon... Mar 09 05:52:00 jaem: I think the biggest disappointment for me is the terrible keyboard Mar 09 05:52:15 * benson worries about the RX-51's D-pad and menu key... Mar 09 05:52:27 luke-jr: I actually don't mind it Mar 09 05:52:39 jaem: you must have never owned a Zaurus clamshell ;) Mar 09 05:52:44 I wanted something I could stick in my pocket, not something to type essays on Mar 09 05:52:46 no, I haven't Mar 09 05:53:08 I enjoyed typing on my Zaurus, while it still fit in my pocket Mar 09 05:53:13 Keyboard's fine, IMHO, but it's almost impossible to use when closed. Mar 09 05:53:18 the N810's keyboard is just a pain to use Mar 09 05:53:32 especially without a number row, tab key, etc Mar 09 05:53:51 the lack of tab (and pipe) keys are my only disappointment Mar 09 05:53:54 thats truly is for zaur Mar 09 05:53:54 You can't do fullscreen, because you can't get at the menu. Mar 09 05:53:56 I like my 770 for carry around, then I've got a PSP game bag with charger and fold out keyboard that is lighter and smaller than any laptop I could take and still type up a paper outline. Mar 09 05:54:33 I can't type useful stuff while I walk around with my wife shopping ;) Mar 09 05:55:13 because you have to push the cart? Mar 09 05:55:21 generally, I've found that I avoid typign on my N810-- switching to SSH from my desktop when possible Mar 09 05:55:38 fireun: because I have to use the Fn key, and it's so easy to press the wrong keys Mar 09 05:55:57 with my Zaurus, it was comfortable enough for regular use as a laptop if need be Mar 09 05:56:29 n810 keyb is just not tooo useful because lack of ergonomics design Mar 09 05:56:36 My only real complaint about the keyboard is the qwerty layout. It's retarded. Mar 09 05:56:49 benson: I'm sure you can remap it like on a normal PC Mar 09 05:57:39 zaurus keyb is very good but not too good compared to jornada (btw the size is diff) Mar 09 05:57:55 This is *not* a typewriter, does *not* suffer from adjacent keys jamming, and my (presumed) touch-typing skills do *not* transfer! Mar 09 05:58:24 benson: that last point is very good Mar 09 05:59:12 (the first two are good, but obvious ;) Mar 09 05:59:39 I suspect marketting likes QWERTY because people don't think up that last bit tho Mar 09 06:00:07 luke-jr: tha is a good point - most people would balk at a Dvorak layout, before even trying it Mar 09 06:00:30 are there any cheap deals for N810s that ship to Canada? Mar 09 06:00:36 well, not even necessarily Dvorak Mar 09 06:00:37 It's not alphabetic (my preference) is any _faster_, but it's no slower, and it's more *logical* and *sane*. Mar 09 06:00:49 typing on a N8*0 is so different from keyboard typing that it probably needs its own design Mar 09 06:00:57 jaem: ebay ☺ Mar 09 06:00:57 s/not/not as if/ Mar 09 06:00:58 benson meant: It's not as if alphabetic (my preference) is any _faster_, but it's no slower, and it's more *logical* and *sane*. Mar 09 06:00:58 here's the other set of glasses I was looking at: http://www.vuzix.com/iwear/products_wrap920av.html Mar 09 06:01:17 luke-jr: somewhere reputable Mar 09 06:01:17 johnx: AR? Mar 09 06:01:26 yeah. see-through Mar 09 06:01:51 johnx: but not fully AR? Mar 09 06:02:12 it's not out yet, but they mention AR in the blurb I linked Mar 09 06:02:47 yeah, it sounds like a partial AR thing Mar 09 06:02:53 "PCs & Laptops with S-Video".... Beagleboard, anyone? Mar 09 06:03:08 it's small enough to be a wearable computer Mar 09 06:03:28 I think my wife will kill me if I ever do get a wearable:p Mar 09 06:03:47 luke-jr: that reminds me of a review of an AR system from PopSci several years back Mar 09 06:04:10 "I felt like James Bond... until my wife said 'you're not actually going outside like that, are you?!'" Mar 09 06:04:12 luke-jr, my wife said she would have to judge whether it was cool enough before I bought it :) Mar 09 06:04:21 jaem: well, the problem would be in bed.. Mar 09 06:04:41 johnx: hehe Mar 09 06:05:03 I wonder how difficult it would be to get a wearable powered by body movement.. Mar 09 06:05:09 hi john, have you going back to us? Mar 09 06:05:25 LopLiii, I am soon. April 2nd Mar 09 06:05:38 mini generators in some gloves you wear while you pretend-type Mar 09 06:05:44 in fact, I have to move a book shelf to someone else's house today ... Mar 09 06:05:54 providing both keyboard input and power source Mar 09 06:05:59 luke-jr, better to do it with the shoes I think Mar 09 06:06:08 johnx: what moves inside your shoes? Mar 09 06:06:27 luke-jr, depends on whether you ever walk anywhere I guess... Mar 09 06:06:34 ☺ Mar 09 06:06:40 :) john, hope you already have all the latest gadg from ja before u go back :) ... Mar 09 06:06:51 if walking, knees would probably be ideal Mar 09 06:07:06 luke-jr: regarding that, let me find a link Mar 09 06:07:15 luke-jr, but if you base it out of shoe compression it's "free" energy Mar 09 06:07:23 o i c Mar 09 06:07:26 true Mar 09 06:07:27 qgil: 10 bucks some of the knowledged newbies comes from that n810 as sys admins tool article Mar 09 06:07:30 LopLiii, yeah, but stuff here is expensive. Did you have anything in mind? :) Mar 09 06:07:55 luke-jr: http://www.sfu.ca/pamr/media_releases/media_releases_archive/media_release02070801.html Mar 09 06:07:57 from my uni Mar 09 06:08:10 sts: which article is this? I must have missed it somehow Mar 09 06:08:25 people need to stop thinking of these ideas before me :< Mar 09 06:08:36 or at least implement them when they patent them Mar 09 06:10:15 yeah too expensive, you right john :), actually there is much.... Mar 09 06:13:01 sory i guess i miss about nokia rx51 thing luke-jr, do u have any review link? Mar 09 06:14:59 hi anyone know about good "lib" repository address for os2006? its hard to find... Mar 09 06:16:00 LopLiii: RX-51 is the code name for the new tablet, which hasn't been officially announced yet, hence, no review Mar 09 06:16:19 you can find some early information on maemo.org Mar 09 06:28:39 Stskeeps: "10 bucks some of the knowledged newbies comes from that n810 as sys admins tool article" - anybody has the URL? Mar 09 06:29:35 * jaem was wondering the same thing Mar 09 06:31:25 there was some mention on iTT.. lemme see Mar 09 06:35:02 http://betalabs.nokia.com/betas/view/mobile-web-server for S60 - opinions? Mar 09 06:35:59 qgil: I saw that, and it looked quite interesting, but I don't have an S60 device :( Mar 09 06:37:09 I was thinking about a similar idea a couple times before, but I think a reverse proxy server would be an important part of any system that worked like that Mar 09 06:38:50 does anyone know how much space one would need for b-man's minimal Ubuntu install, with the E17 debs? Mar 09 06:39:03 I don't have a spare card, and I can't wipe my 8GB at the moment Mar 09 06:56:48 jaem, ha! found it! haptic radar: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70_MwrkDOVU Mar 09 07:00:45 you know it's monday when you get dragged to work at 7:45am and the first thing your desktop does is refuse to turn on it's screens.. Mar 09 07:00:48 forcing you to rreboot Mar 09 07:01:21 here, monday is 'move your bookshelf on public transportation' day :) Mar 09 07:01:34 dear god Mar 09 07:01:54 thankfully it's disassembled and it's just the upright pieces, but still... Mar 09 07:02:10 sounds worse than dragging a tower pc across denmark in a train Mar 09 07:02:10 :P Mar 09 07:02:32 yeah, i'm thinking it should be interesting Mar 09 07:02:49 and actually I should go now to beat rush hour :) Mar 09 07:08:15 blah, can't find the sysadmin article. there was one back in 2007 in red hat magazine but i doubt this is the one :) Mar 09 07:14:01 remoo all Mar 09 07:14:31 Hey RST38h Mar 09 07:14:35 moo RST38h Mar 09 07:15:17 Anyone with a TI84+ or TI84+SE? Mar 09 07:15:23 And willing to run a program? Mar 09 07:15:36 sorry, TI83+ only at home Mar 09 07:15:38 (ah, TI83+SE is also interesting) Mar 09 07:15:52 se? hmm Mar 09 07:16:08 How have you been RST38h? Mar 09 07:18:29 ok, thanks Mar 09 07:22:40 Good to hear. :) Mar 09 07:23:30 good morning Stskeeps Mar 09 07:23:46 morning radic Mar 09 07:24:43 TI84? the calculator? Mar 09 07:32:19 hm-statusbar-container.c:177: warning: missing sentinel in function call Mar 09 07:32:20 wtf. Mar 09 07:32:30 cool Mar 09 07:32:38 Google ;) Mar 09 07:32:56 i hate Google, offically Mar 09 07:33:07 where can i find T-shirts for that Mar 09 07:33:29 Cafepress? Mar 09 07:33:35 okay, so it may mean tag but still... a person or thing that watches or stands as if watching. Mar 09 07:34:58 i was pondering if for a second my code had become sentient(sp) :P Mar 09 07:37:00 didn't it say "missing" though? :) Mar 09 07:37:35 true, but if it compiled before and the sentient being had escaped.. ;) Mar 09 07:37:42 that would truely be a monday. Mar 09 07:52:33 KDE 4 is still as slow as hell... Mar 09 07:52:54 how slow is hell, really? Mar 09 07:53:11 I always though of it as a somewhat fast paces afterlife Mar 09 07:53:17 er pace Mar 09 07:53:26 Proteous: hell is slow because of all the bureaucrats ending there Mar 09 07:53:30 they like to keep things moving down there Mar 09 07:53:32 i used to have a scientific scale of measuring slow systems Mar 09 07:53:36 from one torture to the next Mar 09 07:54:25 if i started some thing and it was not firing up, i would say a long profanaity, and if i was able to complete that profanity before it all started ..i would call it as hell slow Mar 09 08:09:14 http://ask.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1153421&cid=27117305 Mar 09 08:09:48 hehe Mar 09 08:11:21 How much worst is jffs2 performance comparing to sd-card ext2 or ext3? Mar 09 08:11:41 Can i notice the difference? Mar 09 08:12:55 so, that article tells me that half of mobile slashdot readers own n8x0s :) Mar 09 08:15:40 Should one always boot diablo from sdcard? Mar 09 08:26:02 morning all Mar 09 08:31:30 Hi, fremantle newbie discussion here or somewhere else? Mar 09 08:31:40 I'm having trouble getting it installed Mar 09 08:34:00 cmug: here Mar 09 08:35:09 ok, Im installing the nokia-binaries inside scratchbox, and it dies when installing libgles1-sgx-img_0.20081031.1-18_armel.deb and libgles2-sgx-img_0.20081031.1-18_armel.deb Mar 09 08:35:21 I am following the instructions on maemo.org Mar 09 08:40:13 http://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/mer-ui-implemented.png , excepting some theme artefacts, it actually works Mar 09 08:40:22 even though i think i should have status bar going right-to-left Mar 09 08:40:37 and missing artwork, obviously Mar 09 08:52:06 Any ideas what can be wrong in my scratchbox? Mar 09 08:52:21 cmug: pastebin your errors on http://rafb.net/paste and give us the url Mar 09 08:52:30 Stskeeps, ok sure Mar 09 08:54:11 http://rafb.net/p/1nLkvk98.html Mar 09 08:54:49 cmug, are you using fakeroot? Mar 09 08:55:02 yerga, no Mar 09 08:55:10 try with it Mar 09 08:55:17 http://maemo.org/development/sdks/maemo5_alpha_installation/ i'm following these Mar 09 08:55:54 same error with fakeroot Mar 09 08:58:04 my OS is Ubuntu 8.10 running Openbox.. that can't affect can it? Mar 09 09:00:16 actually, check out: http://rafb.net/p/3v1A3v39.html if that makes sense to you guys Mar 09 09:01:01 same result with fakeroot? Mar 09 09:01:24 no then it actually works Mar 09 09:02:20 Sweet! https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/extras-cauldron-builds/2009-March/005465.html Mar 09 09:02:35 hehe, neat Mar 09 09:02:38 Autobuilder for Fremantle is now up and running! :) Mar 09 09:02:40 woo :) Mar 09 09:02:54 awkward question, what does fremantle SDK target processor wise? Mar 09 09:04:05 I guess what cs2007q3-glibc2.5-arm7 targets by default :) Mar 09 09:04:08 k Mar 09 09:04:50 I kept thumb,vfp for now. Mar 09 09:05:20 Not seen any other mandatory cpu options yet. Mar 09 09:05:29 yeah, .. i think it targets arm7 really Mar 09 09:05:43 since people had trouble using software from it on maemo4 Mar 09 09:06:04 It is the first SDK to use a newer compiler set. Mar 09 09:06:19 yeah, which was needed :P Mar 09 09:06:26 Yeah, for sure ;) Mar 09 09:06:29 I have installed the Maemo and installed Nokia binaries on top of it. When I run the emulator and open the web browser on it, it does not respond at all. Can somebody help me how should I browse using the emulator? Mar 09 09:19:34 it's like itT or #maemo invaded slashdot: http://ask.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1153421&cid=27115967 Mar 09 09:29:50 I have installed the Maemo and installed Nokia binaries on top of it. When I run the emulator and open the web browser on it, it does not respond at all. Can somebody help me how should I browse using the emulator? Mar 09 09:35:18 sans: you might want to qualify that request to be honest Mar 09 10:15:25 crashanddie:how do i qualify that request to be honest? Mar 09 10:15:47 morning all Mar 09 10:17:09 sans: explain more exactly what your problem is. Software versions, software denomination, all that Mar 09 10:17:43 I never even realised the browser was released for x86 Mar 09 10:19:00 neither did I Mar 09 10:19:03 sans: are you trying this in the armel targer? Mar 09 10:19:28 no i am tryin on x86 Mar 09 10:20:07 I didn't think the browser was released in the SDK, let alone x86 Mar 09 10:21:19 after installation i got an browser icon on my maemo on the navigation bar of x86 givin an option open new browser but it doesn't response Mar 09 10:21:53 sans: look and see if the target is there. i.e. look in the .desktop file for that link Mar 09 10:22:58 sans: I doubt that will work, the QEMU version of Maemo is extremely limited compared to what we get on the device, the reason behind this is that there are no specific use cases requiring such advancements Mar 09 10:23:20 s/advancements/features/ Mar 09 10:23:21 crashanddie meant: sans: I doubt that will work, the QEMU version of Maemo is extremely limited compared to what we get on the device, the reason behind this is that there are no specific use cases requiring such features Mar 09 10:24:13 thanks :) Mar 09 10:28:45 I've managed to crash gcc :D Mar 09 10:28:51 test.c:19: internal compiler error: Segmentation fault, Please submit a full bug report[...] Mar 09 10:29:02 under sbox2 Mar 09 10:29:07 XD Mar 09 10:29:20 zenvoid! Mar 09 10:29:37 hello Stskeeps Mar 09 10:29:40 zenvoid: did you read my jaiku about theme stuff? Mar 09 10:29:53 oops, no, sorry Mar 09 10:30:06 hehe, don't apologize :) basically, i've started to implement the new mer ui from wazd Mar 09 10:30:19 http://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/mer-ui-implemented.png Mar 09 10:30:29 (bad artwork, obviously) Mar 09 10:30:44 it also makes the ui more scalable in resolution Mar 09 10:32:43 are the tabs part of vmware? Mar 09 10:32:47 yeah Mar 09 10:33:01 ok, a bit strange looking if not :D Mar 09 10:33:14 admittedly it wouldn't look that bad as a theme though, but not very touch friendly Mar 09 10:33:17 :P Mar 09 10:34:02 OK Mar 09 10:34:18 and we might have to do some changes to liberty to get it to work ok :P Mar 09 10:34:41 i've had to set titlebar height to 0 for instance in theme.xml Mar 09 10:35:36 it is matchbox1 or the now one? Mar 09 10:35:39 mb1 Mar 09 10:35:44 s/now/new/ Mar 09 10:35:44 zenvoid meant: it is matchbox1 or the new one? Mar 09 10:35:48 we don't adopt mb2 until there's MBX drivers Mar 09 10:36:55 also there's some oddities with task bar icons as you can see :P Mar 09 10:37:39 I'll try to adapt the artwork Mar 09 10:39:36 and what happens when you push the Mer button at the left? Mar 09 10:42:17 ok, I found the answer in your jaiku ;-) Mar 09 10:43:26 Jaiku ♥ Mar 09 11:01:19 zenvoid: alright, lemme just see what diffs i made to the theme Mar 09 11:02:02 oh fucking yes. NIN at my favourite music festival Mar 09 11:02:23 * Myrtti wants to see Radiohead live, cries Mar 09 11:02:31 saw them at roskilde last year, was awesome :P Mar 09 11:02:54 Stskeeps: is your patched matchbox at repository.mer.tspre.org? Mar 09 11:03:11 Stskeeps: shut up. Mar 09 11:03:23 :-( Mar 09 11:04:03 zenvoid: didn't patch matchbox specifically for the new ui Mar 09 11:04:14 i am uploading the different stuff atm Mar 09 11:06:42 zenvoid: http://rafb.net/p/hBXTuw12.html only modification i did to the theme Mar 09 11:06:50 (we don't have a title bar so) Mar 09 11:07:01 ok Mar 09 11:10:11 it is needed a new hindon-theme-layout, suggestions for the name of the new package? :P Mar 09 11:10:31 hildon-theme-layout-4-mer? :P Mar 09 11:10:54 hildon-theme-layout-mer1 ? Mar 09 11:11:05 or -1mer Mar 09 11:11:31 hildon-theme-layout-mer maybe Mar 09 11:11:38 Stskeeps: you're updating mer with your new layout? Mar 09 11:11:40 murrayc: Autobuilder is ready to accept your c++ libs etc. Mar 09 11:11:41 Corsac: yeah Mar 09 11:12:09 X-Fade. Thanks. Mar 09 11:12:30 woot Mar 09 11:12:41 Stskeeps: so when upgrading tonight I'll have a new shiny UI? thanks! Mar 09 11:12:41 hope to have it ready for 0.10 Mar 09 11:12:49 Corsac: maybe not directly, we still need artwork :) Mar 09 11:13:18 and you'd probably need to rm -rf .osso/hildon-desktop to catch the updated layout Mar 09 11:15:34 Corsac: http://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/mer-ui-implemented.png Mar 09 11:16:34 Stskeeps: ok Mar 09 11:22:01 :D how many levels of repos are we gonna have before the end of today? Mar 09 11:29:40 lcuk: 4.3 Mar 09 11:30:47 ahhh we have gone into complex quantities, the server cannot take it. Mar 09 11:31:39 how you doin crashanddie, im stressing with a tooltip bug in winblows Mar 09 11:33:47 lcuk: complex repositories wouldn't such a difficult thing. I've had imaginary repositories for quite some time! Mar 09 11:34:02 lcuk: pretty good, fucking busy, but good nonetheless Mar 09 11:44:42 busy fucking sounds good Mar 09 11:45:54 cmug, whenever i try my laptop falls off my mistresses back and i have trouble answering the phone Mar 09 11:46:09 mistresses' ?! Mar 09 11:46:15 heh Mar 09 11:46:23 well i am a busy guy :D Mar 09 11:46:29 laptop on one back, phone on another's Mar 09 11:46:35 http://blogs.msdn.com/e7/archive/2009/03/06/beta-to-rc-changes-turning-windows-features-on-or-off.aspx Mar 09 11:46:39 wrong paste Mar 09 11:46:52 http://rafb.net/p/gMYqVd14.html any ideas about this erro? Mar 09 11:47:11 lcuk, sounds like fun Mar 09 11:51:20 ~lart boundary conditions Mar 09 11:51:20 * infobot takes out a cattle prod and gives boundary conditions a good jolt Mar 09 11:56:01 damnit Mar 09 11:56:05 why so many arm devices that i would like to have Mar 09 11:56:21 what's the latest on your wishlist? Mar 09 11:56:44 sheevaplug Mar 09 11:59:13 $50 Mar 09 11:59:37 just don't go out on Friday night, and there you go :) Mar 09 11:59:58 well that's in bundles, 100$ for devel kit Mar 09 12:00:04 still though Mar 09 12:00:10 ah ok, well skip Sat night too then ;) Mar 09 12:01:59 11:19 < crashanddie> it's like itT or #maemo invaded slashdot: http://ask.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1153421&cid=27115967 Mar 09 12:02:15 really? I didn't see much complaining there Mar 09 12:02:40 Mar 09 12:07:18 and thankfully theres no avatar images Mar 09 12:07:27 * lcuk shudders at what some folks might use Mar 09 12:09:32 woow, another council candidate :P Mar 09 12:10:09 two candidates mentioning mer, woo :P Mar 09 12:12:16 Stskeeps, they are trying to buy votes from the Mer people :P Mar 09 12:12:39 heh, i already decided who i'd vote for Mar 09 12:13:13 you saying $100k wouldn't sway your mind? ;) Mar 09 12:13:14 You can vote for multiple people ;) Mar 09 12:13:20 you can? Mar 09 12:13:20 :P Mar 09 12:13:27 what system did we end up on again? Mar 09 12:14:10 single tranf vote, I think Mar 09 12:14:14 preferential Mar 09 12:14:47 lardman: I checked in a few updates to the QR code decoder, by the way. Mar 09 12:15:19 Is anything actually happening with maemo-barcode these days? Mar 09 12:15:38 derf: ok, how fast does it run these days? dtmx is far too slow Mar 09 12:16:00 Well, it should be much faster now, I think. Mar 09 12:16:04 derf: yeah, in a branch, I've got something half working, but I'm severely time limited atm Mar 09 12:16:07 I didn't speed test it on the device. Mar 09 12:16:15 lardman: Join the club. Mar 09 12:16:28 pita all this work that has to be done ;) Mar 09 12:16:36 The only reason I had time was because I was waiting for a bunch of data to get generated for a different project. Mar 09 12:17:12 I've managed one morning's worth of programming in the last 2 weeks (where morning=7-8.30 before work) Mar 09 12:17:19 Anyway, the big change is the binarization method. Mar 09 12:17:28 ok, will take a look Mar 09 12:17:39 Stskeeps, I need some help to understand the new UI Mar 09 12:17:43 It turns out simple adaptive thresholding really is much better. Mar 09 12:17:57 I suppose I'll start up the QR and dtmx codes in a couple of threads and let them do their thing without stalling the fast 1D code Mar 09 12:18:01 zenvoid: ok, did you read http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Documentation/Desktop_layout ? Mar 09 12:18:36 Just because all of the algorithms that try to estimate a "noise level" look at the high entropy region in code itself, and always over-filter it to some degree. Mar 09 12:18:41 derf: I've got a very hacky binary up: http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/nokia770/maemo-barcode/ Mar 09 12:18:59 needs SQLite Mar 09 12:20:01 * lardman far prefers writing algorithmic code to UI code Mar 09 12:20:15 Yes, I believe I'm that club, too. Mar 09 12:20:17 zenvoid: i've updated layout, hildon-desktop and apt-get install marquee-plugins Mar 09 12:21:00 * lcuk prefers writing algorithmic UI code Mar 09 12:21:12 derf: or perhaps it's just that I don't like GTK+ tree|listview code Mar 09 12:21:14 Stskeeps: ok, I think it is just me, I need to dig a bit into it to understand it better Mar 09 12:21:27 I can't say I blame you. Mar 09 12:21:37 Treeview code sucks in every toolkit I've ever seen. Mar 09 12:21:42 lcuk: you're just weird though ;) Mar 09 12:21:53 mer ui designesr: have you considered getting rid of the status icons (moving them to some menu etc.) in the normal application views. Mar 09 12:22:20 drat, haven't done my Spanish homework Mar 09 12:22:22 roope: not yet, is it like that in fremantle? (can't remember) Mar 09 12:22:38 stskeeps: the fremantle design isn't yet published, sorry. but. Mar 09 12:22:49 roope: ah, sorry, referred to devel theme :) Mar 09 12:22:54 having all those icons there clutters those ui's a fair amount. Mar 09 12:22:57 yeah Mar 09 12:23:36 right now we're just trying out to see if wazd's mockup can work, and then hope to align further with fremantle when design is published Mar 09 12:23:39 I mean do you really need to see them all the time vs. could you place them accessible behind something else. Mar 09 12:24:05 I personally liked the older mockups more. Mar 09 12:24:06 i think it wouldn't be half bad to have them in a way similar to switcher menu Mar 09 12:25:21 but we'll see.. it is a tad more complicated to move out the statusbar icons than it is to move out let's say, running applications Mar 09 12:25:27 I'm curious about the close and minimize buttons, they were in the title bar but it is zero size now (?) Mar 09 12:25:36 zenvoid: yup. magic x idea Mar 09 12:25:53 ah, ok Mar 09 12:25:58 zenvoid: the reason i need zero size is cos else menu button doesn't work Mar 09 12:26:00 sorry, what was the magic x? Mar 09 12:26:36 its something that occurs when you stop dating a witch Mar 09 12:26:55 roope: just an experiment really. instead of forcing an actual close when clicking x, it will present the old switcher menu - combined minimize and close menu Mar 09 12:26:56 * lcuk doesnt really know either Mar 09 12:27:00 http://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/mer-ui-implemented.png (ugly art) Mar 09 12:27:15 I guess a plugin in the marquee sends a signal to the zero height title bar, or something like that... Mar 09 12:27:23 zenvoid: yeah.. something like that Mar 09 12:27:27 :) Mar 09 12:29:28 roope: in the old ui i had a bad bad tendancy to close accidentially Mar 09 12:29:39 roope, you have obviously had hands on time with the other nokia touch devices: how comfy is the plectrum stylus on the (i think its) n97 Mar 09 12:30:07 5800 xpressmusic i thought? Mar 09 12:30:36 n97 isn't out Mar 09 12:30:39 maybe, i just recall seeing it Mar 09 12:30:40 5800 is out Mar 09 12:30:47 * aquatix likes the n97 Mar 09 12:30:52 lcuk: i've found out that most of the time i don't need the stylus Mar 09 12:30:53 the looks of it Mar 09 12:31:17 glass: Any working video player (with xvid and divx) for 5800? Mar 09 12:31:23 glass, yeah but im trying to work out if its comfy for writing with Mar 09 12:31:24 lcuk: text input is fine with maemostylish fullscreen input Mar 09 12:31:48 RST38h: haven't been keeping up, usually it's best to transcode, at least was on n95 since it had accel on some decoding.. Mar 09 12:32:09 lcuk: handwriting recog? can't comment on that, i hate that stuff on everything Mar 09 12:32:11 any mac users btw? good suggestions for cd rippers (into mp3, must not be itunes) Mar 09 12:32:11 lcuk: you mean the 5800, I guess. Well, it's a normal pleck, really. Guitarists find it comfy. :) Mar 09 12:32:21 * lcuk REALLY wants to strum his nokia using the plectrum Mar 09 12:32:30 non-guitarists are probably not used to holding one. the tip shape isn't really optimal. Mar 09 12:32:37 i dont use one lol, but i know a normal stylus is wrong shape Mar 09 12:32:38 but non-optimal is still pretty ok. Mar 09 12:32:54 lcuk: guitar hero on tablet? :P Mar 09 12:32:58 Stskeeps: hildon-theme-layout-4 is based on fixed size pixmaps, and I'm struggling to understand how change it for variable sized marquee Mar 09 12:33:06 zenvoid: alright Mar 09 12:33:07 ill show you in the next vid/code drop Mar 09 12:33:26 Stskeeps: probably the layout in ubuntu would be a better start? what do you think? Mar 09 12:33:27 Imho it's a gimmick to try to make the device look cool. Mar 09 12:33:34 calendar scrolls so sexily i keep strumming it up n down Mar 09 12:33:39 Nokia isn't terribly good in those gimmicks. Mar 09 12:33:54 lcuk: which calendar? Mar 09 12:34:10 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMXp0Dg_UaY Mar 09 12:34:11 mine :) Mar 09 12:34:20 thats a preprepreprepreprepre test Mar 09 12:34:24 it all scrolls now ;) Mar 09 12:34:31 and has editor (of sorts) Mar 09 12:34:38 and other stuff missing from there Mar 09 12:34:44 * lcuk likes his kinetic map once again Mar 09 12:35:02 this time its my hometown! Mar 09 12:35:45 Stskeeps: I will look at the ubuntu mobile theme Mar 09 12:35:49 is it available to test on? :) Mar 09 12:36:32 corsac :) not yet, its being nurtured and fed and coaxed and trained on my little tablet :) Mar 09 12:36:40 if its premature it wont work properly Mar 09 12:36:57 zenvoid: well i think the most issue is a gradient background for the marquee (repeating background) Mar 09 12:37:07 there is the original released version which has the editors and other things in place Mar 09 12:37:27 * lcuk still wishes he could get more time to work on it Mar 09 12:47:23 zenvoid: and then the app switcher buttons (may be called something else) Mar 09 12:47:41 and the switcher menu stuff Mar 09 12:47:49 that's the "problems" i've seen so far Mar 09 12:48:42 if you apt-get dist-upgrade a vmdk you'd see it right away (and remember to apt-get install marquee-plugins), after rm -rf ~/.osso/hildon-desktop Mar 09 12:49:01 ok Mar 09 12:49:18 i'll work on getting rid of the Home bar.. Mar 09 12:49:42 ? Mar 09 12:49:50 what is the home bar? Mar 09 12:50:23 http://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/homebar.png Mar 09 12:50:46 :D Mar 09 12:53:50 I see... is it draw by hildon-desktop? Mar 09 12:53:57 this reminds me of fremantle http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn16706-shocking-cancer-treatment-may-also-yield-weapon.html Mar 09 12:53:58 some of it, heh Mar 09 12:53:59 sec Mar 09 12:54:47 heh, i just disabled the home bar.. Mar 09 12:54:50 well, the menu Mar 09 12:54:56 obvious result: http://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/nohomebar.png Mar 09 12:55:58 well done, hehe Mar 09 12:56:33 there's really some challenges to adjusting this stuff :) Mar 09 12:58:26 zenvoid: is there any border stuff in theme that makes it resolution dependent? let's say we take the marquee background and repeat it Mar 09 12:59:09 everything is resolution dependent at this moment ;-) Mar 09 12:59:31 keep the resolution, change the dpi :P Mar 09 12:59:38 zenvoid: hmm Mar 09 13:00:21 a svg theme would be great :P Mar 09 13:01:27 zenvoid, performance issues and the fact giving people the ability to make svg icons tends to make them make mona lisas for something that occupies 20 pixels square :D Mar 09 13:02:06 * lcuk dreads the day wazd can use svg :p Mar 09 13:02:27 mona lisa isn't that large in real life Mar 09 13:02:28 :) Mar 09 13:02:51 but she has 60 years of changes covered over time and again Mar 09 13:04:06 I've read some time ago that sometimes avg takes less time to render than png files, because of the png compression algorithm. Obviosly, it depends on the complexity of the svg icons Mar 09 13:04:27 s/avg/svg/ Mar 09 13:04:27 zenvoid meant: I've read some time ago that sometimes svg takes less time to render than png files, because of the png compression algorithm. Obviosly, it depends on the complexity of the svg icons Mar 09 13:04:34 zenvoid: style "hildon-navigator" Mar 09 13:04:34 { bg_pixmap[NORMAL] = "../images/mb_marquee_background.png" Mar 09 13:04:34 } Mar 09 13:04:51 hmmm.. I see Mar 09 13:04:51 carsten@carsten-tablet:/usr/share/themes/mobilebasic$ file images/mb_marquee_background.png Mar 09 13:04:55 images/mb_marquee_background.png: PNG image, 18 x 52, 8-bit/color RGBA, non-interlaced Mar 09 13:05:53 I'll try to mix mobilebasic with our theme-layout Mar 09 13:06:08 ta, appreciate the work Mar 09 13:08:40 zenvoid, if you are reading and decompressing the png every single time you render it then something is wrong - but agreed, initial startup of png is greater than for a simple svg (but you can get more complex svg which will take longer) Mar 09 13:20:18 some reason install-tools doesn't work, bootmenu doesn't come Mar 09 13:51:11 lcuk: oh, you are right about the initial startup times Mar 09 13:52:11 lcuk: and svg files could also be saved as pixmaps in memory once read the first time, so in theory they should be rendered only when the screen resolution (or orientation) changes Mar 09 13:54:55 I'm not volunteering to implement that, though :P Mar 09 13:55:10 zenvoid: i think there's a nokia thing that does that (closed source) though Mar 09 14:01:22 Hi Stskeeps! Mar 09 14:01:28 lo kozak Mar 09 14:02:30 its been a while since I got my hands on the beagle.... had lotss of stuff at work... Mar 09 14:02:37 hehe, similar here Mar 09 14:03:07 yeah and looks like things are going to be even more stuffed up in the coming months Mar 09 14:03:13 heh, interesting MID: http://www.slashgear.com/umid-m1-mid-hands-on-1734755/ en http://www.slashgear.com/umid-m1-mid-typing-demo-video-gallery-2135296/ Mar 09 14:03:23 s/en/and Mar 09 14:03:26 hows work on Mer coming Mar 09 14:03:43 kozak: decent, we're implementing new desktop Mar 09 14:03:59 cool Mar 09 14:05:02 http://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/mer-ui-implemented.png early ugly artwork :) Mar 09 14:07:15 looks like a full fledged one under construction! Mar 09 14:07:49 Is it the app list on the right ? or is it a separate app for now Mar 09 14:08:04 take a look at this Mar 09 14:08:06 http://www.osnews.com/story/21075/Want_Touch_Book Mar 09 14:08:11 ignacius: seen Mar 09 14:08:31 :-) Mar 09 14:08:44 well, the top is Application Menu, Menu Button (the one formerly in title bar), and then it is Quick switch applications (as in, the last three-four-five-etc started), and then status bar applets, and the X has the rest of the apps Mar 09 14:08:49 and also closes applications Mar 09 14:09:57 keesj, glad to see your nomination. :) Mar 09 14:10:04 I love his french accent Mar 09 14:10:54 GAN800: did you get prodded by lwn guy btw? Mar 09 14:11:20 ~seen thp Mar 09 14:11:22 thp was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 28d 15m 3s ago, saying: 'Stskeeps: ok. will try that. my last attempt with 0.7 failed, so i'll try again today'. Mar 09 14:11:39 Stskeeps, not so far as I've notice, unless he hit my mac.com account. Mar 09 14:11:44 GAN800: alright Mar 09 14:12:05 got cc'ed on quim's answers to him so :) Mar 09 14:12:27 LWN guy? Mar 09 14:12:35 yeah, someone writing an article on Mer Mar 09 14:14:03 Cool Mar 09 14:19:42 (watching the netbook video) it's funny that I can understand much better a french person speaking english than an english speaking english, I'm not sure why Mar 09 14:19:45 hehe Mar 09 14:20:13 native english speakers tend to have horrible enunciation :) Mar 09 14:20:18 they don't think about it at all Mar 09 14:20:19 'lo johnx Mar 09 14:20:24 hey Stskeeps :) Mar 09 14:20:40 hey johnx! nice to "see" you again :) Mar 09 14:21:19 you too, zenvoid Mar 09 14:21:33 johnx: implemented all "features" Mar 09 14:21:40 of the new UI Mar 09 14:21:44 yeah, just looked at the screenshot Mar 09 14:22:51 what drags in liberty btw? hildon-desktop-env? Mar 09 14:23:01 and dragging in h-d-layout-alpha Mar 09 14:24:16 one sec, nothing booted to mer right now Mar 09 14:30:10 anyone can provide a n8x0 product id , then i'll can download and image to test on qemu ? :) Mar 09 14:31:05 rzr, it is very easy to create one, it is just a MAC address between a range :P Mar 09 14:31:41 a range between 0 and 2^128 ? Mar 09 14:32:29 I will say you the trick in private query, nokia may be reading ;-) Mar 09 14:36:27 Damn you DST, you time thief. My n800 skipped forward 1 hour correctly, but all my alarms went forward 1 hr too Mar 09 14:36:55 i lost 2 hrs ! heh Mar 09 14:37:01 zenvoid, liqbase implements vector drawings extensively at multiple resolutions per frame usually (duplications) the thinking time behind caching every instance or re-render at varying scale thereof makes it unfeasible. simpler (and generally quicker) to just render as required - and its a LOT less memory Mar 09 14:37:02 "N8x0 caused me to lose my job" Mar 09 14:38:39 lcuk: Mar 09 14:38:46 wow! the pandora guys are actually working on making a real device! Mar 09 14:39:03 lcuk: I guess, but it is very differnt than a simple them for the UI Mar 09 14:39:13 s/them/theme/ Mar 09 14:39:14 zenvoid meant: lcuk: I guess, but it is very differnt than a simple theme for the UI Mar 09 14:39:41 johnx: wasn't this last years news? :P Mar 09 14:39:55 yeah, but they have a nice plastic case done up now :) Mar 09 14:40:08 lcuk: it would be really great to see your work with liqbase in the UI, though Mar 09 14:40:23 I've decided to just assume nothing and every time they make some positive step I'll be thrilled :) Mar 09 14:41:57 tank, alarmd only does UTC, sorry Mar 09 14:45:12 btw, is here anyone running into the offline&alarms not working Mar 09 14:45:48 fortunately I'm still using my palm for PIM Mar 09 14:46:19 heh :) There will be some people *always* using Palms for PIM I think Mar 09 14:47:01 but it is starting to be a problem: the N810, mobile phone for connectivity, and the palm for PIM... 3 devices Mar 09 14:47:03 palms make for the defacto standard in handheld pim dont they Mar 09 14:47:16 yes Mar 09 14:47:18 zenvoid, plenty of time for that :) my work is growing stronger every day Mar 09 14:47:23 that's why palms are good, because they have good PIM Mar 09 14:47:29 though I won't drop my blackberry for PIM to be honest Mar 09 14:47:47 unless I have another device that does PIM integration with Exchange and supports push email Mar 09 14:47:49 * lcuk kicks you in the blackberry Mar 09 14:47:53 and is connected Mar 09 14:48:15 * lcuk wants local data - local to ALL my devices Mar 09 14:48:52 actually, my blackberry does music, PIM and phone calls, What else? Mar 09 14:49:14 lcuk: bought my first hugo boss suit this weekend :D Mar 09 14:49:24 crashanddie: an xterm :P Mar 09 14:49:40 hi all Mar 09 14:49:48 zenvoid: yeah, I really want xterm to place calls and check emails :P Mar 09 14:49:52 * Stskeeps ponders if there is any ARM stuff that does ZFS Mar 09 14:50:05 Stskeeps: good question, would be awesome... Mar 09 14:50:09 there's a fuse implementation of zfs IIRC Mar 09 14:50:28 Stskeeps: though, considering ZFS comes from SPARC, they shouldn't be afraid of exotic architectures to implement it on Mar 09 14:50:30 I'm happy enough with LVM2 though Mar 09 14:50:31 hmm. freebsd arm.. Mar 09 14:50:43 freebsd ARM? really? Mar 09 14:50:53 * johnx googles Mar 09 14:50:56 well I'll be... Mar 09 14:51:24 i have a huge argument for a sheevaplug then :P Mar 09 14:51:31 how can i extract the kernel inside the latest OS version? i'm using macosx Mar 09 14:51:51 i googled, but i'm unable to find it :-< Mar 09 14:52:13 oooh crashanddie Mar 09 14:52:17 ppires, so you want to have just the kernel image? Mar 09 14:52:22 johnx: yes Mar 09 14:52:40 i recompiled a kernel that's no longer needed. i want to go back to the official kernel Mar 09 14:52:57 i have the latest OS but i can't remember how to extract the kernel image from the .bin file Mar 09 14:53:00 ppires, ./flasher -u -F image-from-nokia.bin Mar 09 14:53:56 lcuk: I'm the sexiest thing that hit this office since the bird with great tits that came in for an interview Mar 09 14:54:02 johnx: oh yes the flasher.. thnks dude! Mar 09 14:54:03 Stskeeps, the chipset (and device) support on freebsd ARM seems really minimal Mar 09 14:54:06 yeah Mar 09 14:55:39 it's really too bad that sheeva board doesn't have more stuff brought out to headers and/or connectors Mar 09 14:56:04 well, sdio, USB (with jtag) and gigabit ethernet.. Mar 09 14:56:35 but it can also support pci express, and sata natively Mar 09 14:56:41 ah Mar 09 14:56:44 and another gig-e port Mar 09 14:56:49 maybe there's a variant Mar 09 14:57:42 well, I'm sure they'll sell you a dev board with all this stuff for $$$$ Mar 09 14:57:51 well there is stuff like poguplug etc Mar 09 14:58:06 er, pogo Mar 09 15:00:27 wow...that looks the same right down to the case Mar 09 15:00:45 Comes With Software probably Mar 09 15:00:54 and a web service Mar 09 15:10:42 hi Mar 09 15:14:09 lardman, so. . . . Mar 09 15:17:02 Hi all Mar 09 15:17:19 Looking for volunteers to vote & test the preferential election voting Mar 09 15:17:38 voting for nothing? sure sounds fun Mar 09 15:17:43 Voting is running over the next couple of hours, and I'm going to call the thing final sometime tonight Mar 09 15:17:47 crashanddie, did she get the job? Mar 09 15:18:19 dneary, sure, link? Mar 09 15:18:22 I can test for lots of people, but I only have 2 or 3 browsers :) Mar 09 15:18:27 so, that ARM touch-book that keeps making the rounds, what do people think are the odds it will actually ship when it says it will? Mar 09 15:18:29 GeneralAntilles: maemo.org/vote Mar 09 15:18:41 GeneralAntilles: Your temp token and email address are the same Mar 09 15:18:42 I voted already ;) Mar 09 15:18:52 (so you can probably vote many times) Mar 09 15:19:01 Go Ned Flanders! Mar 09 15:19:03 johnx, past performance with omap3 devices == its a tossup Mar 09 15:19:16 All you need to do is guess someone's email address Mar 09 15:19:32 does the same work for the real election? Mar 09 15:19:45 lcuk: of course not ;) Mar 09 15:19:50 I still think we should float the preferences up to the right. Mar 09 15:20:14 lcuk: We just don't want to send everybody a token by mail for this election testing thing ;) Mar 09 15:20:48 i know, if i could see things at more than 1bit/hour i would have a go Mar 09 15:21:03 can i make vnc do monochrome? Mar 09 15:23:08 lcuk: I bet you're a Ned Flanders man Mar 09 15:23:35 GeneralAntilles: That's a styling issue, and I'll gratefully accept patches :) Mar 09 15:23:52 dneary, OK, I'll poke at it. Mar 09 15:23:53 no, i bet ned flanders is a lcuk man :) Mar 09 15:24:29 they even took my mannerisms, it makes me so ma-diddly-ad Mar 09 15:25:17 kewl Mar 09 15:25:32 gan: dont go shrinking the size of the other candidates :P Mar 09 15:25:47 lcuk: Go vote then! Mar 09 15:26:01 why does ned flanders matter ? Mar 09 15:26:12 and i cant i dont know where my voting booth is Mar 09 15:26:19 X-Fade, can we get full justified text on the wiki style? Mar 09 15:26:22 lcuk: It doesn't matter. Mar 09 15:26:44 GeneralAntilles: I too accept patches ;) Mar 09 15:26:51 Goddamnit Mar 09 15:26:56 and goddamn you both. :P Mar 09 15:27:04 x-fade, eye-patches or hair patches? Mar 09 15:27:17 * lcuk notices a bit of a chrome dome Mar 09 15:27:34 dneary, voting link Mar 09 15:27:45 GeneralAntilles: Too much going on atm. Between election, mail importing, fremantle autobuilder and some random stuff, I'm a bit busy. ;) Mar 09 15:27:55 lcuk: http://maemo.org/vote Mar 09 15:28:23 X-Fade, I tried to set up a local copy to play around with the style, but I don't think I managed to ferret out all the necessary stylesheets. Mar 09 15:28:43 GeneralAntilles: I will look at it later this week. Mar 09 15:29:05 i have no token for this test election Mar 09 15:29:15 X-Fade, if I can get a user local copy going (so I don't have to use an uploaded stylesheet) I can be much more useful. Mar 09 15:29:50 ahh Mar 09 15:31:20 lcuk: Want one? Mar 09 15:31:31 no, its ok i fired up gmail ;) Mar 09 15:32:31 lcuk: I did look for an lcuk@ or birkett@ but didn't find you Mar 09 15:32:53 I can give anyone an email address, if there are people who'd like to help out Mar 09 15:33:14 johnx: Have you voted yet? Mar 09 15:33:26 * qwerty12 just voted Mar 09 15:33:42 Btw - what's the URL for the full RSS/ATOM feed of planet maemo? Mar 09 15:33:46 dneary, one sec Mar 09 15:34:08 I'm either blind, it's not listed, or there just isn't one. Mar 09 15:34:53 rmt: Do you get an RSS feed icon in the URL bar? Mar 09 15:34:57 Probably the first option.. http://maemo.org/news/planet-maemo/rss.xml Mar 09 15:35:01 dneary, yup. works great in ff3/linux. if there's a way to blank it I can try on microb/maemo Mar 09 15:35:15 voted: and the candidates make up BASS running downwards :) Mar 09 15:35:27 johnx: Just try again with the same email ;) Mar 09 15:35:35 dneary, i am liquid@gmail Mar 09 15:35:35 win! Mar 09 15:35:38 do-overs! Mar 09 15:35:54 gotta head off, take care Mar 09 15:35:54 dneary, Ahah, indeed, I do.. Browser intelligence is beating my own. Mar 09 15:35:58 johnx: No, that won't work Mar 09 15:36:06 Do-overs aren't implemented Mar 09 15:36:11 X-Fade, you tricked me :P Mar 09 15:36:13 I'll give you another email address Mar 09 15:36:35 Can I vote with my 6 different maemo accounts? Mar 09 15:36:41 johnx: Use aloisio dot almeida at openbossa dot org Mar 09 15:36:53 crashanddie: If they have over 25 karma, sure Mar 09 15:36:56 k Mar 09 15:37:24 anyway, I'm off, ttyl Mar 09 15:37:25 dneary: There is a nice feature in your client, it is called PM. Mar 09 15:38:23 microb seems perfectly happy with it Mar 09 15:39:47 X-Fade: In my web client? Mar 09 15:39:51 I don't understand Mar 09 15:41:02 I don't know much about netiquette or whatever, but I don't find it nice to talk about other email adresses or spambait people. Mar 09 15:41:13 That kind if info is sensitive for me. Mar 09 15:56:38 I'm sort of just getting started with Maemo; I just got a nokia n810 that runs it. I'm hearing something about a wpa2 bug... does anyone know if Maemo has a bug with connecting securely with wpa2? Mar 09 15:57:09 X-Fade: Ah - I see what you mean Mar 09 15:57:12 My IRC client Mar 09 15:57:16 /msg Mar 09 15:57:23 Sorry Mar 09 15:57:39 I have this idea of IRC being ephemeral, but I forgot that this channel is logged Mar 09 15:57:53 RST38h you there? Mar 09 15:57:57 ...and very popular with google... Mar 09 15:58:58 karasuman, hi. welcome aboard. :) I've heard of some people having issues connecting to the enterprise versions of WPA, but I believe most of those are in the past at this point. wpa2-psk should be fine (and always has, I think) Mar 09 15:59:44 thanks for the reply, johnx. :) I'm not really sure what my issue is, then. I can't get onto my university's wireless network, and the tech support guys said it was seemed to be that my nokia couldn't figure out wpa2. Mar 09 16:00:03 eap-tls? Mar 09 16:00:05 we tried to manually configure a connection, but it wouldn't show up in the list of available connections. Mar 09 16:00:08 yes, StsN800 Mar 09 16:00:28 edoroam per chance? Mar 09 16:00:41 I don't know. :( I don't have much experience with this stuff. Mar 09 16:00:51 StsN800: Voted yet? Mar 09 16:01:14 dneary, didn't get a mail about it yet? Mar 09 16:01:24 first thing I did when I got my nokia was to update the OS to the latest; is there maybe some other kind of patch for the problem I should be looking for? Mar 09 16:02:13 karasuman, you might want to google for eduroam and your school's name to see if that's what your school is using Mar 09 16:02:18 StsN800: It's a test election Mar 09 16:02:31 if so, there are some instructions on making it work I believe Mar 09 16:02:33 ah. Mar 09 16:03:26 nothing is popping up in google, and I don't see that on the technology help page, either. Is that a third party service that they might be using for their campus wifi? Mar 09 16:06:32 the info they have is that the security type is WPA-Enterprise, encryption type TKIP, authentication method EAP-MSCHAPv2. I used all of those settings in configuring the connection, but we couldn't figure out how to actually apply the settings. At that point, the tech support guy googled for a while and came back and said that this is a known problem with the n810/Maemo and I should look to Maemo support for a fix. :-/ Mar 09 16:08:11 If you're in a compiling mood, there's a plugin that integrates the maemo connectivity manager with wpa_supplicant: http://svn.javispedro.com/libicd-network-wpa/trunk/ Mar 09 16:08:30 Anyone here running Windows with IE6 or 7? Mar 09 16:08:44 I'm afraid I don't have any experience with compiling. Is this something I can learn how to do with google? Mar 09 16:08:55 dneary, I'm running linux with IE6 and IE7 Mar 09 16:09:06 inz: Nice trick Mar 09 16:11:23 topical: http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20090308 Mar 09 16:13:53 karasuman, I have no experience with wpa2 enterprise, but some googling brings up this if you want to give it a test: http://smarterthan.wordpress.com/2007/12/03/n800-certificate-based-peap-authentication/ Mar 09 16:14:01 not sure how close this is to your setup Mar 09 16:14:46 I appreciate the help. :) I've been googling, but not finding much that seems helpful. Part of it is my lack of experience with wifi security; I don't really know what most of it means. Mar 09 16:15:10 yeah, I'm lost on stuff that's beyond wpa/wpa2 psk Mar 09 16:15:30 do you need a certificate? does your school provide one? Mar 09 16:15:46 I really have no idea. :-/ The tech support guy didn't mention it to me. Mar 09 16:16:11 does your school have a web page with generic instructions? Mar 09 16:17:00 http://www.technology.pitt.edu/network-web/wireless/configure-manually.html Mar 09 16:21:11 X-Fade, is the diablo and chinook builders working? Getting "Permission denied (publickey,keyboard-interactive)." here. Mar 09 16:21:37 qwerty12: Should be.. Mar 09 16:21:43 Did you change anything? Mar 09 16:22:13 Not to my knowledge, I've got a backup of the keys anyway (which I know works for sure), lemme try restoring. Mar 09 16:22:44 time for me to head to school. thanks for the help; I'm going to give it another shot when I get to campus. Mar 09 16:23:15 ok, best of luck Mar 09 16:23:23 X-Fade, no go. Mar 09 16:24:01 qwerty12: Ip ending with 231? Mar 09 16:24:20 yep Mar 09 16:24:21 I'm ready to cry, the wiki didn't go kaboom Mar 09 16:24:34 I'm not a spammer :) Mar 09 16:24:44 Myrtti: Didn't go kaboom the last time. Before it did ;) Mar 09 16:25:04 qwerty12: You probably are. Well blocked for the moment.. Mar 09 16:25:15 Maemo hospitality. Can't beat it. Mar 09 16:25:30 qwerty12: There is some kind of rate limit in the firewall. Mar 09 16:25:52 qwerty12: But I see xchat is coming in via the assistant now ;) Mar 09 16:25:55 qwe, -ita+ti Mar 09 16:25:55 X-Fade: I was afraid my homeserver's cpu/mobo/ram was going to go kaboom :-/ Mar 09 16:26:08 poor dell Mar 09 16:26:21 I'll have to vacuum it tomorrow for being a good little homeserver Mar 09 16:26:28 X-Fade, yep, may as well use all available resources ;) Mar 09 16:26:29 no wait Mar 09 16:26:31 I can't Mar 09 16:26:34 damnit Mar 09 16:26:40 ;___; Mar 09 16:26:47 Did your vacuum go kaboom? Mar 09 16:27:19 inz: since I had to mail in my desktop computer to the Office, I don't have a display or keyboard so I can type in the encryption password after reboot Mar 09 16:27:55 technically I'd need only keyboard Mar 09 16:28:07 flip the bits in the ram manually Mar 09 16:28:37 Why would you loose perfectly good uptime for something as simple as vacuuming a computer? Mar 09 16:28:45 inz++ Mar 09 16:28:49 Out for a while, bbl. Mar 09 16:30:20 inz: I'd rather not break anything though. Mar 09 16:30:59 life's a gamble Mar 09 16:32:57 johnx: I've gambled enough, I fell in love with a gentoo/MACist Mar 09 16:41:54 a ubuntunist and a gentoo/macist together? that sounds .. dangerous O_o Mar 09 16:43:12 (don't look too much into that statement, i just wonder about some of the argument this channel can have once in a while :P) Mar 09 16:43:19 actually using gentoo and Mac sounds like a potential warning sign of split personalities :) Mar 09 16:43:40 darwinports, maybe Mar 09 16:46:40 well I don't personally like having ubuntu as a server either... so I'd have debian or maybe even that gentoo as a server myself Mar 09 16:46:59 ubuntu/mac is nice on the desktop Mar 09 16:48:20 Stskeeps: and it's really sweet, he's asking me for instructions on his ubuntu laptop and I ask him for hints with awk Mar 09 16:48:23 ♥ Mar 09 16:49:20 ow! the cute is kiiilling me Mar 09 16:50:12 johnx: http://dy.fi/d45 Mar 09 16:50:44 badumtish Mar 09 16:51:37 * johnx dies Mar 09 16:57:50 johnx, don't die - we haven't taken a recent backup yet Mar 09 16:58:12 lcuk, no worries. I actually plan to live forever. Mar 09 16:58:34 umgh Mar 09 16:58:39 in the woody allen sense :) Mar 09 17:00:26 * RST38h asks Cthulhu what made linux people implement gpio_keys in such a stupid way Mar 09 17:00:47 cthulhu made them do it to make you crazy Mar 09 17:00:56 Has nobody told them that GPIO inputs occur in banks and there is only one IRQ line for each bank? Mar 09 17:01:13 this stuff isn't crazy just stupid Mar 09 17:01:38 then which is the elder god that makes people stupid? Mar 09 17:02:50 That would be Alzheimer. Mar 09 17:03:29 I wrote an uncyclopedia entry for Abestos, the Greek god of carcinogenic insulation once... Mar 09 17:04:06 oh, I'm a fan of cthulhu :) Mar 09 17:04:13 lovecraft Mar 09 17:11:05 Stskeeps: the marquee is completely independent of matchbox, isn't it? Mar 09 17:12:32 hi Mar 09 17:13:10 I wonder how ca I get my application deb to the maemo extras repository? Mar 09 17:13:51 I've just released the final .deb package of my Maemo Theremin app, and I would like it to be in the repository... Mar 09 17:17:51 ~upload-extras Mar 09 17:17:52 extra, extra, read all about it, upload-extras is http://wiki.maemo.org/Uploading_to_Extras Mar 09 17:18:56 ok, it says that I should have an 'invitation' to upload the app to extras... Mar 09 17:19:19 has anybody tried new leafpad from extras-devel? Mar 09 17:19:45 I've installed it Mar 09 17:20:08 haven't opened any files with it yet. Mar 09 17:20:47 qwerty12, I made some changes to menus Mar 09 17:21:41 Cool, seems to work really well Mar 09 17:21:55 I removed the View manu and moved Quit under File Mar 09 17:22:15 I had to make translations work Mar 09 17:36:49 igagis: and it gives a link to request an invite IIRC Mar 09 17:37:23 yes, I requested that invitation, hope I'll get one. Mar 09 17:37:49 I also read that it is possible to upload the package to extras-devel Mar 09 17:37:49 X-Fade: can you poke igagis' invite along? Mar 09 17:37:57 do I need the invitation for that too? Mar 09 17:37:58 everybody gets one :) Mar 09 17:38:16 igagis: one invite to bind them Mar 09 17:38:31 ok Mar 09 17:39:00 igagis: your source in svn isn't currently buildable with dpkg-buildpackage Mar 09 17:39:02 anybody know why it is osso-gpsd on the n810 instead of the regular gpsd? Mar 09 17:39:09 so it won't build in autobuilder Mar 09 17:39:34 mikkov_: is that necessary? Mar 09 17:39:44 yes Mar 09 17:41:08 ok, I'll try making it buildable with dpkg-buildpackage Mar 09 17:42:18 zenvoid: correct Mar 09 17:45:29 johnx, explaining why other people don't maintain legacy support for 20000 years like Microsoft is fun. Mar 09 17:46:12 GeneralAntilles, if he follows up, maybe I'll make a post on the topic Mar 09 17:46:20 I can at least link it later from a lot of places :) Mar 09 17:46:54 The misconceptions many users carry are both fun and horrifying. Mar 09 17:47:12 GeneralAntilles: you been reading -users again? ;-) Mar 09 17:47:22 Jaffa, itT Mar 09 17:47:25 it goes in the same basket as "Why do you use all that jargon instead of just making it simple?" Mar 09 17:47:47 Jaffa, I only looked at the -users archives once since I unsubscribed. :D Mar 09 17:48:03 "Hi, my name is Ryan and I'm addicted to idiocy." Mar 09 17:49:39 There has got to be a better way for Jeremiah to track packaging help requests than a wiki page. Mar 09 17:49:51 I can't believe that somebody hasn't put together a reasonable solution for this problem. Mar 09 17:52:05 No sign of wazd yet? Mar 09 17:52:15 * Jaffa 'd point to taskt.com but I never really finished it (taskt.com/aflegg for example) Mar 09 17:52:29 Oh, and it's down anyway. Mar 09 17:52:59 Hi all Mar 09 17:53:10 Jaffa: Want to vote in the test election? Mar 09 17:53:27 I'd be interested in tests on IE Mar 09 17:58:49 dneary, whos winning the fake election, and if this fake election gets more votes is it possible we could actually see Skinner as head of the council? Mar 09 17:59:04 lcuk: I don't know yet Mar 09 17:59:07 Will know later Mar 09 17:59:39 When the election ends, you'll be able to download the ballots as a .blt file, which you can then import into OpenSTV and run the election with various options. Mar 09 18:00:03 so no simple web page notification then :P Mar 09 18:02:05 lardman|gone. . . . Mar 09 18:04:01 dneary: was going to test in IE, but --- ooh, no, I 've got time before the train Mar 09 18:05:17 dneary: still doesn't work in IE7 Mar 09 18:05:26 Jaffa: OK Mar 09 18:05:39 * Jaffa 'll hold off voting until you've had a chance to play and will re-test tomorrow. Mar 09 18:05:39 Better fix that tomorrow then Mar 09 18:05:52 Jaffa: I'll generate a HTML file for you to test Mar 09 18:06:04 Tomorrow the election will be over :) Mar 09 18:06:13 dneary: fair enough Mar 09 18:06:18 * Jaffa homes Mar 09 18:27:03 Stskeeps, mer's upstart is causing problems on the zaurus...hmmm, looks like it's more than just upstart... Mar 09 18:28:31 The Zaurus is a problem. :P Mar 09 18:28:56 GeneralAntilles, platform insecurity? :P Mar 09 18:29:17 My platform is so much bigger better than yours!!! Mar 09 18:29:41 O_o; Mar 09 18:29:59 alright, too much time on -users and iTT. time to detox Mar 09 18:30:19 johnx, acid wash for your eyes? ;) Mar 09 18:30:35 I was referring to you actually :) Mar 09 18:30:50 :( Mar 09 18:31:21 platform is bigger? :P sure sign of too much time on itt/-users Mar 09 18:31:36 johnx, you're the one that brought up insecurities. :P Mar 09 18:31:55 Besides, I'm 2 days clean of -users! Mar 09 18:32:17 *hic* been clean for *hic* 5 minutes now Mar 09 18:33:02 * RST38h gathers, "platform" is something Mario jumps onto Mar 09 18:33:07 thay say that the size of the platform does not matter, but they lie. it does XD Mar 09 18:33:38 RST38h, you're the guy who writes emus, not us. We'll leave you to define it :) Mar 09 18:34:46 dneary: works fine on tablet browser with webkit engine Mar 09 18:36:43 jAffa: what's this? Mar 09 18:41:18 timelE61i, http://maemo.org/vote or https://garage.maemo.org/projects/webkit-eal/ ? Mar 09 18:51:07 right, but why need webkit? Mar 09 18:51:26 additional datapoint Mar 09 18:51:32 timelE61i, we are testing many different browsers Mar 09 18:51:45 i already checked with microb Mar 09 18:52:23 johnx, back from the dead then Mar 09 18:52:37 'fraid so Mar 09 18:52:44 but I need to sleep actually Mar 09 18:52:47 oh, to verify vote workks? Mar 09 18:52:58 Did you try s60? :) Mar 09 18:53:12 And opera(mini/mobile) Mar 09 18:53:15 dont know, but you can Mar 09 18:54:39 wHere's my test token? Mar 09 18:55:33 poke dneary offline if you havent got one in your mailbox Mar 09 18:55:51 i think Mar 09 18:56:08 can i vote more than once? :@) Mar 09 18:56:19 as long as its for marge simpson, yeah Mar 09 18:56:47 timelE61i, test token is your email address :) Mar 09 18:56:54 one vote per email Mar 09 18:56:57 * johnx sleeps Mar 09 18:57:05 ballot Mar 09 18:57:29 gnite johnx Mar 09 19:10:29 ...percentage of Americans identifying as Christians has dropped to 76 percent of the population, down from 86 percent in 1990... Mar 09 19:12:00 Err, is the vote token the same as from the previous election? Mar 09 19:12:59 timelE61i, no, email address/email address. Mar 09 19:13:30 RST38h, how're the other religions faring? Flying spaghettiism etc. Mar 09 19:13:41 no idea Mar 09 19:13:53 You can vote as many times as you want as long as you can come up with maemo.org member email addresses with more than 25 karma who haven't voted. Mar 09 19:13:56 but they do provide some data on christian varieties: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/03/08/AR2009030801967.html?nav=igoogle Mar 09 19:15:16 General: So, the plan is to create 50-60 maemo.org accounts, let each one create a project (like a command line app port or a background image for OS2008) and vote 50-60 times! =) Mar 09 19:15:37 RST38h: thanks, that link makes me think there may be hope for that nation after all... Mar 09 19:16:43 tso: that was my thought as well but you do not know what they are switching to Mar 09 19:18:44 uM Mar 09 19:18:53 The voting system kicked me out Mar 09 19:19:22 It in very obscure English tried to tell me the vote ended about 20mins ago Mar 09 19:20:19 hi guys anyone installed Jaunty on their tablet ? Mar 09 19:20:26 following the guide on ITT ? Mar 09 19:21:41 anidel, thats b-mans thing isnt it Mar 09 19:21:44 hiya btw Mar 09 19:22:05 RST38h, they also have to be 3 months old. Mar 09 19:22:06 Sorry. Mar 09 19:22:26 timelE61i, interesting. Mar 09 19:22:43 seems reasonable gan, he said it would end later Mar 09 19:22:43 The message is *awful* Mar 09 19:22:48 i suppose 20 minutes ago is later Mar 09 19:23:00 1. It didn't tell me what time it is "now" Mar 09 19:23:17 2. It told me the election *starts* (present tense) Mar 09 19:23:39 Well present/future Mar 09 19:25:34 RST38h: as long as its missing a label, it will likely to be less strict then what they left... Mar 09 19:26:42 still, if people was converting to this: http://www.venganza.org/ it would be really interesting ;) Mar 09 19:27:19 lcuk yeah Mar 09 19:27:46 he normally comes on later Mar 09 19:27:48 I'm trying to follow his thread, but some thing behave differently and the post is not clear in some points Mar 09 19:27:54 ok :) Mar 09 19:28:04 gan: btw, someone lied Mar 09 19:28:07 timelE61i, can you file a bug? Mar 09 19:28:30 They claimed my token for the previous vote would not be valid for any other Mar 09 19:28:46 And yet it let me try to use it again for this one :) Mar 09 19:28:51 timelE61i, did you use the old token? Mar 09 19:29:08 i couldn't find any others... Mar 09 19:29:35 Well, it was supposed to be the email address as the token. Mar 09 19:31:09 timelE61i, anyway, either somebody needs to poke dneary tomorrow or some bugs need to be filed. Mar 09 19:31:46 Well, since the election expired Mar 09 19:31:50 It's unclear Mar 09 19:32:17 GeneralAntilles, did you post your patch for "displaying everyone except yourself as small" Mar 09 19:32:45 lcuk, I need to poke at the CSS tomorrow. Mar 09 19:33:11 What component is voting? Mar 09 19:33:41 timelE61i, I ran into a couple GNOME-centric strings when voting for the referenda. Somebody could probably stand to run over it again. Mar 09 19:33:46 Um, General, I guess. Mar 09 19:34:04 Though we could probably use an election software or voting software component. Mar 09 19:34:10 Just reassign it to dneary. Mar 09 19:37:39 ahh, time to mail elections at gnome! http://maemo.org/vote/results.php?election_id=5 Mar 09 19:39:20 Gan: 4193 Mar 09 19:39:54 oh yes Mar 09 19:40:00 I totally missed that Mar 09 19:40:15 Mail to elections@gnome.org Mar 09 19:40:40 Sp3000: how are you doing? Mar 09 19:41:02 not running for a few days Mar 09 19:41:21 but fine Mar 09 19:41:44 btw I think the followup caller was a french-speaker, for variety Mar 09 19:41:50 hEh Mar 09 19:42:03 It's still pretty neat service, right? Mar 09 19:44:43 sp3000: are you filing or should i? Mar 09 19:47:47 yeah except maybe for the two way voce-proxied form filling part ;) Mar 09 19:47:52 voice, even Mar 09 19:48:25 Yeah, well... Mar 09 19:50:10 timelE61i, yeah, I already caught a couple of those. Mar 09 19:50:17 I wonder if the source is in svn somewhere. Mar 09 19:50:19 4194'd Mar 09 19:50:28 oh my, I verbed a number Mar 09 19:50:46 GeneralAntilles: It is. Mar 09 19:51:28 X-Fade, maemo2midgard project? Mar 09 19:51:33 yep Mar 09 19:52:50 Bleh, Garage is sloooow Mar 09 19:53:03 GeneralAntilles: load is 64 atm. looking into it ;) Mar 09 19:53:19 top - 21:53:39 up 6 days, 22:25, 1 user, load average: 86.47, 69.94, 57.83 Mar 09 19:53:35 64! woah :) Mar 09 19:53:41 86 ;) Mar 09 19:53:53 skyrocketing... something spinning Mar 09 19:54:00 hmm, bug numbers Mar 09 19:54:03 * andre__ expects nice new bugs tomorrow when officially being back from vacation Mar 09 19:54:10 spinning skyrockets, batman! Mar 09 19:54:17 I wish jott would get back and give us his bugbot. Mar 09 19:54:45 oops. Mar 09 19:54:53 it must have been my wiki article! Mar 09 19:55:08 how can it be ? Mar 09 19:55:12 Nah, reindexing repos in a cron job ;) Mar 09 19:55:21 :-P Mar 09 19:55:23 that's fine then, I suppose Mar 09 19:55:25 Got so slow that they started to pile up. Mar 09 19:55:32 X-Fade, it runs better in performance mode :P Mar 09 19:55:33 anidel: because it's a MAGICAL wiki article Mar 09 19:55:45 about *cough* 900K big wiki article Mar 09 19:55:48 i dont know why you keep it in on demand :D Mar 09 19:55:58 Myrtti only text ? :) Mar 09 19:56:00 Load is back to _only_ 33 now ;) Mar 09 19:56:05 anidel: only text :-) Mar 09 19:56:08 well... Mar 09 19:56:17 that's what articles are in the wiki, aren't they Mar 09 19:56:26 yep Mar 09 19:56:41 it did have some html... Mar 09 19:56:45 *Shrug* Mar 09 19:58:12 my tablet's load is now 4.47 ;) Mar 09 19:58:31 it's part of the garage cluster? :P Mar 09 19:58:56 it's the main node :) Mar 09 19:58:57 sp3000: Cluster? One tablet is enough for everything ;) Mar 09 19:58:58 * RST38h still has a chance to clone iPhone menu on the NIT Mar 09 19:59:07 Especially if wazd helps a little bit Mar 09 20:00:12 try to imagine then the new upcoming tablet what will be able to do! Mar 09 20:00:42 :p Mar 09 20:00:56 anidel: At least twice the speed! :) Mar 09 20:01:00 anidel: it will do some pseudo-pmp shit, badly Mar 09 20:01:09 We might be able to serve 3 users simultaneously! Mar 09 20:01:15 eheh Mar 09 20:01:19 yay! Mar 09 20:01:29 + cat Mar 09 20:01:45 * GeneralAntilles mutters about stupid DST. Mar 09 20:03:24 re Mar 09 20:03:33 re Mar 09 20:03:39 * ljp lives in a place where there is no DST Mar 09 20:13:35 which reminds me... Mar 09 20:14:28 Ah, DST switch happens on the last Sunday of March Mar 09 20:15:02 RST38h == author of several emus? =) Mar 09 20:15:57 * RST38h ducks Mar 09 20:16:18 * n_n geese Mar 09 20:16:57 if you're interested in msx emu development, the openmsx dev channel is on this server Mar 09 20:17:05 not just openmsx related :p Mar 09 20:17:24 eg. i'm there and not one of their developers Mar 09 20:20:37 bootstrap installed, let's continue Mar 09 20:23:48 hi again Mar 09 20:24:02 I'm trying to build my package with autobuilder Mar 09 20:24:10 but the build fails Mar 09 20:24:37 from the logs I see that there are some libraries missing in the build environment Mar 09 20:24:42 e.g. hildonmm Mar 09 20:25:03 Build-Depends Mar 09 20:25:12 igagis: You need to specify them as Build-Depends Mar 09 20:25:20 in debian/control? Mar 09 20:25:38 igagis: Yes Mar 09 20:25:56 dpkg-depcheck -m dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -b Mar 09 20:26:11 Can help you with that. Mar 09 20:26:13 they are specified there Mar 09 20:26:40 I'll try that in a moment Mar 09 20:27:16 hm Mar 09 20:27:57 no, I've just realized that the dependancies are not specified in control file at the moment the app is build Mar 09 20:28:36 Will fix that, thanks Mar 09 20:29:00 igagis: Cool application btw ;) Mar 09 20:29:10 :-) Mar 09 20:29:41 which one is it ? Mar 09 20:30:15 anidel: have a look at http://theremin.garage.maemo.org Mar 09 20:30:47 I've read a post about that app.. cool one.. never saw it in action, though.. Mar 09 20:30:57 The youtube vid explain it all. Mar 09 20:31:04 *explains Mar 09 20:31:07 there are videos on the app page Mar 09 20:32:26 ahah funny the messages that keep coming :P Mar 09 20:32:46 the gesture contol is amazing Mar 09 20:34:03 *control Mar 09 20:34:36 anidel: what do you mean 'gesture control' ? Mar 09 20:34:59 it just plays the tone depending on the tapped point Mar 09 20:35:27 when you move the finger it changes the pitch and volume because 'mouse' cursor moves Mar 09 20:35:42 there's no any gesture recognition here Mar 09 20:35:47 igagis: the way you control the finger movements on the keys Mar 09 20:36:53 igagis: I know that. You're using then the plain mouse coordinates ? When I use the stylus it often thinks I "raised" the stylus thus causing a new click to happen Mar 09 20:37:26 yes, exactly Mar 09 20:39:01 for example when selecting text in the browser, it's very hard to select a long piece of text becuase of that. In Xournal I was thinking to ignore the random mouse click within a movement, but it's not that easy Mar 09 20:39:05 anidel, with the theremin it doesnt matter, it will simply carry on where you reach in the next stroke Mar 09 20:39:16 that's true.. Mar 09 20:39:19 the sensitivity of your screen is likely on the way out Mar 09 20:39:35 its similar with me on the left centre of the workhorse 810 Mar 09 20:39:45 may be :( it happens mostly horizontally, is fine vertically Mar 09 20:39:49 it doesnt respond to finger at all any more Mar 09 20:39:57 different pressure in the motion Mar 09 20:40:12 I've got to re-calibrate it once a day Mar 09 20:40:16 you may notice in my videos i can scroll one way easier than the other Mar 09 20:40:28 never recalbrate cos i know its just on its way out Mar 09 20:40:36 its not out of position, but out of sensitivity Mar 09 20:40:53 right side is less sensitive? Mar 09 20:40:54 if yours is losing position thats slightly different Mar 09 20:41:08 well yesterday I couldn't close the windows because it was not correctly calibrated.. and often I have to point down a few pixels to actually click on something.. very annoying Mar 09 20:41:14 no, left its where i spent a year stroking it and stuff Mar 09 20:41:30 no, on mine it happens on the whole screen... Mar 09 20:41:39 I don't think it's losing sensitivity Mar 09 20:41:47 it's been like that since the beginning... Mar 09 20:41:52 anidel, it was the same with one of my old ones, but those sorts of errors become more or less visible usually depending on temp, so you calibrate when cold and it drifts again Mar 09 20:42:06 btw, with theremin I noticed one thing with vertical and horizontal movements: when tap and move horizontally for a long time without releasing the finger it eventually start updating the sound frequency rarely, looks like a touchscreen problem, nothing to do in the app with that Mar 09 20:42:08 that's may be the issue... Mar 09 20:42:14 that shouldv been rma'd as faulty then :P Mar 09 20:42:38 igagis, no, the cpu is dropping back to idle speed Mar 09 20:42:45 you are hitting ondemand things Mar 09 20:42:48 I have two years warranty on this baby, but I'll miss it and I can live with this annoyance Mar 09 20:43:03 if you have liqbase installed, just test by going into options and changing cpu to performance and running your app again Mar 09 20:43:12 lcuk: but I did not see such behavior for vertical movement Mar 09 20:43:21 libqbase as Maemo's Onyx :P Mar 09 20:43:27 onyx? Mar 09 20:43:37 sorry, it's a Mac tweaking application Mar 09 20:43:56 heh Mar 09 20:43:59 :) Mar 09 20:44:09 dunno then igagis Mar 09 20:44:29 * lcuk is gonna make a stroking guitar instrument Mar 09 20:44:39 * lcuk will give it kinetic columns as you strum Mar 09 20:44:49 lcuk: btw, about the guitar, have you seen the guitar for iphone? Mar 09 20:45:11 not real interesting in iphone caps so no Mar 09 20:45:15 interested * Mar 09 20:45:17 I saw it on youtube recently Mar 09 20:45:46 it's an Apple AD? if it is, then it's fake :P Mar 09 20:45:52 you cant use a real plectrum with iphone :) Mar 09 20:46:00 no, there are videos on you tube Mar 09 20:46:14 eheh I know, I was kidding Apple... Mar 09 20:46:33 ping Stskeeps :) are you still there? Mar 09 20:46:33 I'm not interested in iPhone as well but it worth looking into the iPhone guitar video Mar 09 20:46:44 let me find the link Mar 09 20:46:49 lcuk I imagine using a plectrum on the N810 for a guitar app would be quite difficult Mar 09 20:47:29 anidel, the calendar ive got - its fluidly kinetic and has 7 columns (month view as in the video) and i keep strumming it up n down Mar 09 20:47:37 here it is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51cWRrZdkwk Mar 09 20:47:44 it lacks music only :) Mar 09 20:48:24 lcuk: can you give the link to your "silent guitar" video? Mar 09 20:48:37 that plays more like a keyboard, your theremin is more the style - sliding actions Mar 09 20:48:45 lcuk: it's not the power, it's the screen.. light touches are out of question.. but I imagine you don't need to be light with the spectrum.. Mar 09 20:48:53 zenvoid: pong, still have guests but sneaked off to the laptop Mar 09 20:49:19 igagis, the youtube video for liqbase: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMXp0Dg_UaY it shows the startings of a calendar. since that video i gave the calendar full kinetic view (like the graffiti wall) Mar 09 20:49:43 Stskeeps: do they know what they are doing? holding you off the laptop ? Mar 09 20:50:03 anidel: hehe. i have my tablet too but can't always type that fast on it :P Mar 09 20:50:22 Stskeeps: :D Mar 09 20:51:02 anidel, i know they are doing multitouch, but the iphone guitar is being used from the frets end, i merely like strumming the other end (where they are picking at) Mar 09 20:51:17 * lcuk cant coordinate multiple fingers anyway Mar 09 20:51:25 Stskeeps: modifying the theme layout is going to take some time, but I think there is a way to make it much more easy... Mar 09 20:52:01 zenvoid: sed? ;p Mar 09 20:52:21 Stskeeps: do you know if it is possible to configure the marquee so it is "floating" over the title bar like the old statusbar? Mar 09 20:52:26 stskeeps: know the feeling... Mar 09 20:52:52 zenvoid: hmm.. the idea was to remove titlebar though Mar 09 20:53:26 zenvoid: but maybe i don't understand it exactly Mar 09 20:53:44 lemme just grab a layout, sec Mar 09 20:56:02 Stskeeps: if the titlebar is kept below the marquee and it is made 100 px smaller at the right side, the close and minimize buttons of the titlebar could be used Mar 09 20:57:09 and the home menubar can be kept Mar 09 20:57:33 ah - i would just (currently) scrap the titlebar info and implement close and minimize in the marquee Mar 09 20:57:47 in fact, the marquee can be set to transparent theme and just use the themed titlebar Mar 09 20:58:22 * anidel goes to pick up his girlfriend from the english class.. ttyl Mar 09 20:58:47 lcuk: there's another guitar app for iPhone, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n23WEqqrP0I Mar 09 20:59:07 lcuk: there you strum strings and switch the chords Mar 09 20:59:33 zenvoid: mm.. well i'm not sure what our motivation for that would be, other than it being an alternative theme Mar 09 20:59:38 lcuk: no chords fingering, I think it is possible to make similar app for n810, it dies not need multitouch Mar 09 21:00:09 zenvoid: my idea was primarily to adapt liberty to the new hildon layout and the app switcher buttons (and rightmost X and leftmost app menu button) Mar 09 21:00:11 Stskeeps: it was just a idea for having a quick port of the old theme, it would be very easy to port it this way Mar 09 21:00:36 titlebar height=0 is a nasty hack or? it seems to be described in data/theme.xml Mar 09 21:01:52 look at hildon-liberty-theme source, the file template.svg Mar 09 21:02:31 the programs in hildon-layout cut those drawings into the small pieces by using a set of coordinates Mar 09 21:02:36 yeah, i know Mar 09 21:02:38 ok Mar 09 21:02:43 http://exiledonline.com/class-war-survival-tips-gun-shopping-guide/ Mar 09 21:02:50 * RST38h cackles evilly Mar 09 21:03:06 zenvoid: it's basically seperating a tempate.svg into icon files Mar 09 21:03:19 as i understand it Mar 09 21:03:33 the actual theme is described in data/ and rc/ in layout Mar 09 21:03:34 Stskeeps: yes... when doing the floating marquee trick, there is very little to change Mar 09 21:03:51 "If you canÁ Mar 09 21:03:55 the template could be used almost unchanged Mar 09 21:04:12 t reliably kill a deer, what chance do you have against a pack of desperate people? Mar 09 21:04:23 zenvoid: but then titlebar would be invisible underneath marquee? Mar 09 21:05:33 Stskeeps: the marquee on top, like the statusbar in the current liberty-theme Mar 09 21:06:32 actually I don't know if it is possible to do that, if changes in the source are required, then it may not worth the effort Mar 09 21:07:51 mm, might be difficult since it is a pretty hard panel Mar 09 21:07:52 brb Mar 09 21:08:22 pretty hard panel :D Mar 09 21:08:26 ok Mar 09 21:09:45 well... I'll continue with the longer way, then ;-) Mar 09 21:16:36 zenvoid: well, i think most of the stuff can be done in the theme rcs and theme.xml, instead of in the template part Mar 09 21:17:19 look at the blue area in the current liberty theme, it is actually the titlebar theme (or the home bar when no apps) and the status bar icons are floating on top. I think I found a way of making that part of variable size (all to the left, for example) Mar 09 21:17:34 and the idea was to put the marquee on top with transparent background Mar 09 21:18:31 Hello ! Mar 09 21:18:54 http://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/homebar.png , this one? Mar 09 21:19:00 the one with home on it Mar 09 21:20:04 yes, and when you open an application, it is the titlebar Mar 09 21:20:32 the blue area is just included in the titlebar, the statusbar icons are floating on top Mar 09 21:21:02 yeah - the idea was to avoid titlebar and this home bar thing, and just integrate it into the menu button (the wierd square) Mar 09 21:21:40 well.. It is an ugly concept, I know... Mar 09 21:22:25 and i was wondering how easily to get rid of titlebar and the home area bar, rc file wise :) Mar 09 21:23:45 I think that the home area is just a pixmap drawn in top of the wallpaper (with an area for menu) Mar 09 21:24:25 *nod* Mar 09 21:24:33 so it may be rc based Mar 09 21:24:46 hmm... probably Mar 09 21:24:48 or code based Mar 09 21:25:11 I will look tomorrow Mar 09 21:25:19 k - ta for the effort Mar 09 21:25:43 Stskeeps: what the f**k is the button left from the terminal-icon for? Mar 09 21:25:43 http://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/homebar.png Mar 09 21:26:11 thopiekar: ugly art, but it's the menu button Mar 09 21:26:20 http://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/mer-menubutton.png Mar 09 21:26:51 Stskeeps: heh, I'm also interested in this, I really want a variable sized theme with no left panel ;-) Mar 09 21:27:02 for openmoko? ;) Mar 09 21:27:15 maybe :D Mar 09 21:27:30 and screen rotation Mar 09 21:27:37 *nod* Mar 09 21:28:09 isn't it too much near the mer-menu-icon.. people could "mis-touch" it.. Mar 09 21:28:20 ^ Stskeeps Mar 09 21:29:01 well i see it as getting rid of the home area bar and the title bar in matchbox, and then making a thing in layout for the different gradients/stuff for the new pieces / buttons Mar 09 21:29:05 -> zenvoid Mar 09 21:29:08 thopiekar: that's what 0.10 test is for Mar 09 21:29:24 k :P Mar 09 21:30:12 bbl sleep Mar 09 21:30:20 cu Mar 09 21:31:06 where is the location of mcalendar's config file? Mar 09 21:31:14 or files.. Mar 09 21:32:07 /home/user/.mPIM/mcalendar.db Mar 09 21:32:32 thanks ( needed for a thread on n800.de.. ) Mar 09 21:32:40 héhé Mar 09 21:32:53 german n8x0-forum :P Mar 09 21:33:07 http://www.n800.de/viewtopic.php?t=1069 Mar 09 21:33:27 http://www.khertan.net/poubelle/screenshot17.png Mar 09 21:33:48 http://www.khertan.net/poubelle/screenshot16.png Mar 09 21:34:01 yes Khertan_n810 very nice app :P Mar 09 21:34:05 screenshot of the current developpment version of mCalendar Mar 09 21:34:33 * thopiekar thinks that Khertan_n810 should use a spam bot for that :P Mar 09 21:34:39 ~seen thp Mar 09 21:34:43 thp was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 28d 7h 38m 24s ago, saying: 'Stskeeps: ok. will try that. my last attempt with 0.7 failed, so i'll try again today'. Mar 09 21:35:15 thp? Mar 09 21:35:24 ~seen thopiekar Mar 09 21:35:25 thopiekar is currently on #maemo (41m 26s). Has said a total of 14 messages. Is idling for 1s, last said: '~seen thopiekar'. Mar 09 21:35:34 a spam bot ? for what ? Mar 09 21:35:46 for your screenshots :P Mar 09 21:35:59 only two link Mar 09 21:36:00 :) Mar 09 21:36:02 hehe Mar 09 21:36:30 but i can easily write one in python Mar 09 21:36:33 :) Mar 09 21:38:55 * Khertan_n810 is currently fighting with his mutualised hoster and this twitter limit ! Mar 09 21:41:19 there is a twitter plugin for pidgin on getdeb.org.. Mar 09 21:42:07 ... Mar 09 21:42:30 yep but i m fighting to made a good cache on my website :) Mar 09 21:45:06 ok.. cu all tomorrow.. time to get some sleep.. [22:44|10:44PM] Mar 09 21:45:15 mmmm cherry ♥ Mar 09 21:45:23 thopiekar: WUSS! Mar 09 21:45:24 :-P Mar 09 21:45:36 Myrtti: WUSS? :P Mar 09 21:45:41 2009-03-09 23:45:40 Mar 09 21:45:45 I'm still working! Mar 09 21:46:11 Myrtti: timezone +2? Mar 09 21:46:16 yup Mar 09 21:47:04 * thopiekar is one of the students in germany, who have to be at 7:30 [AM] at school -.-' Mar 09 21:47:17 7:30 is nothing. Mar 09 21:47:23 I had to be at school at 6:40 Mar 09 21:47:39 GeneralAntilles: omg that sucks.. Mar 09 21:47:44 for how long? Mar 09 21:47:53 4 years Mar 09 21:48:00 ok, I guess I'm blessed Mar 09 21:48:03 In college now, so I pick my own time. ;) Mar 09 21:48:07 we don't have fixed working hours Mar 09 21:48:11 i leaving home at 6:00 Mar 09 21:48:11 for me since summer 2008.. I changed to a technical grammar school.. Mar 09 21:48:13 :) Mar 09 21:48:24 to arriving at work at 8:30 Mar 09 21:48:32 Khertan_n810: wow Mar 09 21:48:42 Yeah, my school commute is about 3-5 minutes Mar 09 21:48:49 Khertan_n810: kilometers? Mar 09 21:48:50 this is while i dev onboard on my nit Mar 09 21:48:53 Then 20 minutes to find a parking space, and another 20 to walk to class. Mar 09 21:49:15 ok, I guess I'm lucky. My work commute is about three meters. Mar 09 21:49:21 thopiekar : not so much, just stupid french train Mar 09 21:49:24 70km Mar 09 21:49:28 :) Mar 09 21:49:39 choo, go to bed then Mar 09 21:49:40 to travel paris from north to south it s a real pain Mar 09 21:49:42 :-P Mar 09 21:50:01 GeneralAntilles: that is hearing terrible.. the same thing all day.. Mar 09 21:50:10 i ve 4 change nothing direct Mar 09 21:50:35 when i see how s-bahn work in berlin ... i just want to make the jump Mar 09 21:50:56 more organisation in germany? Mar 09 21:51:24 yep Mar 09 21:51:43 in paris all train go to the center like a star Mar 09 21:52:11 you cannot travel in circle or around paris without going to the center Mar 09 21:52:29 our russian teacher told us about train of moscow... what he told should be more worse than in paris :) Mar 09 21:52:45 not sure Mar 09 21:52:48 hehe Mar 09 21:53:02 do not fforget surprize strike Mar 09 21:53:32 and not just only from train driver Mar 09 21:53:41 :) loved thing of the germans.. Mar 09 21:53:47 when student is in strike they block train Mar 09 21:54:10 same thing for many other worker ... Mar 09 21:54:31 electricity company cut the power for train :) Mar 09 21:54:41 I remember when the rail was broken and we were driving over it slowly... :P Mar 09 21:54:50 xD Mar 09 21:56:38 before we were driving over it the said that it will take unlimited time to repair that "technical issue" while standing in the middle of fields.. :) Mar 09 21:56:48 I never had that before .. Mar 09 21:57:10 s/the/they/ Mar 09 21:57:16 *nod* Mar 09 21:58:13 ok but I really have to leave now.. cu :P Mar 09 22:03:42 rah !!! i hate php Mar 09 22:04:09 me too :P Mar 09 22:04:48 Khertan_n810, switch to Django :P Mar 09 22:05:17 don t have a hoster which offer python on low hosting price Mar 09 22:05:40 else i will use my own python framework :) Mar 09 22:05:47 I have this problem too :( Mar 09 22:06:07 but I usually hijack my university servers :) Mar 09 22:06:52 look at khertan.net Mar 09 22:07:06 there is an error 400 on the requested server Mar 09 22:07:17 and there is a try catch ! Mar 09 22:08:37 the warning in the left ? Mar 09 22:10:44 yep Mar 09 22:11:05 it s a sadly writted script Mar 09 22:11:27 but something i don t understand is why warning is show on a production server Mar 09 22:11:47 i think i ve again choose the worst hoster Mar 09 22:12:11 I like your design, very simple :) Mar 09 22:13:47 héhé Mar 09 22:14:07 on nginx the script doesn t made any problem Mar 09 22:14:26 but i didn t show warning in the config of nginx on my nit Mar 09 22:15:25 i've read somewhere that we can't use SDL_flip but i just compiled one of my gp2x games (with a few modifications) for the n810 and it doesn't seem to give a problem. Although the game isn't very demanding Mar 09 22:15:47 so should i change it to not use sdl_flip ? Mar 09 22:15:58 cause it's running without problems as far as i can so Mar 09 22:16:01 see* Mar 09 22:17:08 rah i still don t understand how to not show this stupid warning Mar 09 22:17:10 grrr Mar 09 22:26:46 RAHHHHH ME WILL KILL THE INVENTOR OF PHP !!!!!! Mar 09 22:28:28 ok no way to remove warning Mar 09 22:28:44 * Khertan_n810 will rewrite the method Mar 09 22:35:38 hello! Mar 09 22:36:39 <_Brian_> hi Mar 09 22:39:18 hi there. somebody could help me with a failing scratchbox install ? Mar 09 22:40:08 404 on downloading scratchbox-toolchain-cs2007 (arm) Mar 09 22:40:09 hi bman Mar 09 22:40:23 you're here ? Mar 09 22:40:30 I mean, actively :) Mar 09 22:49:21 I've a problem...anyone know gpg?? ;) Mar 09 22:51:46 i don't use the public keys for encrypt my mesages...and i use this keys in my pc perfectly... Mar 09 22:52:11 and don't create a key Mar 09 22:52:36 b-man I just added a post on your thread abour installing Ubuntu on the tablets: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=270281&postcount=112 Mar 09 22:52:40 and don't can** create a key Mar 09 22:54:57 good night everyone Mar 09 22:55:08 see ya Mar 09 22:55:26 g'night Khertan Mar 09 22:56:00 anidel: yes, you need the deblet bootmenu Mar 09 22:56:45 how do I install it ? is as simple as apt-get ? Mar 09 22:56:53 i'll get you a link, hold on Mar 09 22:56:58 thanks mate Mar 09 22:57:46 np ^^ Mar 09 22:57:48 you'll need to add the deblet repo Mar 09 22:58:01 k Mar 09 22:58:26 I'll check their homepage Mar 09 22:58:54 most of the stuff you'll need is here; http://trac.tspre.org/projects/deblet ;) Mar 09 23:01:43 the deblet repositories are already in the sources.list you make us edit (btw, you write .lst instead of .list) Mar 09 23:02:00 I need to install also the "installer" dist ? Mar 09 23:02:20 sorry the "user" Mar 09 23:04:36 how the package's called ? Mar 09 23:13:49 anidel: you can get the package directly from here http://packages.tspre.org/pool/user/b/ --sorry for the slow response :( Mar 09 23:14:15 * b-man needs to eat dinner now, i'll be back Mar 09 23:14:18 I tried to install it (bootmenu 1 5 2) Mar 09 23:14:27 but complains.. ok :) have dinner Mar 09 23:28:11 I think I got it, I'll do tomorrow in the morning.. Thanks :) good night Mar 09 23:28:16 * anidel goes to sleep Mar 09 23:41:10 i'm back :) Mar 09 23:47:31 who was it that did the evince port to maemo? Mar 09 23:51:48 t_s_o: Ed Bartosh? Mar 09 23:51:54 http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/evince/ Mar 09 23:53:31 i wonder if it would make any sense to poke him about a update... Mar 09 23:54:35 t_s_o: is it buggy? Mar 09 23:55:11 i ran into a couple of pdfs that shows fine in 2.24, and the osso reader, but that have no text in evince 2.21 Mar 09 23:55:25 still, it could be related to the poppler version used, 0.6.something Mar 09 23:55:35 latest i have installed locally is poppler 0.10 Mar 09 23:56:53 seems the question had been raised in the download comments, about plans for a update Mar 10 00:34:37 ~seen AndrewFBlack Mar 10 00:34:39 andrewfblack was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 1d 4h 22m 11s ago, saying: 'Hello'. Mar 10 00:34:48 hm Mar 10 00:39:52 * Myrtti yawns Mar 10 00:41:29 * b-man really needs to contact AndrewFBlack about a server upload problem Mar 10 02:12:12 Wotcher guyz. Who likes OSX? It's latest stupidity... Mar 10 02:14:03 ...boils down to "Your car failed to stop. Would you like to force your car to stop?" God YES!!!! Mar 10 02:14:55 "Are you SURE you want your car to stop?" Mar 10 02:15:08 FFS! Mar 10 02:17:09 I really wish programmers(I am one) would think like car makers! Mar 10 02:17:40 but that is a Friendly Car ;) Mar 10 02:18:19 A DEAD friendly car? Mar 10 02:18:41 friendly cars sell; living ones don't ;) Mar 10 02:19:54 Aaaaah! I get it. If your car runs off the road they get to sell another. Mar 10 02:20:41 who cares about the pile of dead cars in the ditch... besides, it is good for the economy as tow truck drivers needs to make a living! Mar 10 02:22:01 A living? Was that not a dying? Mar 10 02:22:15 for the tow truck driver! Mar 10 02:22:34 plus then you also keep food on the table for the worms, for the undertaker, etc. Mar 10 02:23:18 Sauce for the goose is bread and butter for the gander then. Mar 10 02:23:26 :D Mar 10 02:25:01 On topic: Anyone recommend swapping totally from Diablo to mer yet? Mar 10 02:28:16 That's a "No" I guess. Seems too be getting pretty close though My breath is so baited I smell of gorgonzola. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Mar 10 02:59:57 2009