**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Mar 10 02:59:57 2009 Mar 10 03:49:42 ooh I'm using my new G1, can't wait to rootit and tether with my n800 Mar 10 03:51:43 so if i allocate 1gb of my card's space to swap will that be like having 1gb ram? Mar 10 03:52:11 ...kinda Mar 10 03:53:12 great! Mar 10 03:53:58 is there any downside to doing so? Mar 10 03:54:25 are the speeds comparable - I know even less than you, also swap isn't used for the exact things ram is, usually I'm out of context here Mar 10 03:54:56 virtual ram disk ok Mar 10 03:55:30 hm Mar 10 03:55:41 idk what u say... lol Mar 10 03:57:41 so it helps some process but not all Mar 10 03:59:26 i use it to run Gnome in Ubuntu on my tablet - without it, it would be unusable ;) Mar 10 04:03:33 hi, anyone can help me?? i have problems with the gpg... Mar 10 04:05:32 I can't create a key, and can't encrypt files whit the imports keys Mar 10 04:08:27 I have a n810...anyone there?? Mar 10 04:14:27 I have it too Mar 10 04:14:51 oh, sorry, can't help you there, never used gnupg Mar 10 04:15:16 Hablo español tambien, pero no he usado nunca gnupg :( Mar 10 04:19:39 thanks, no se como arreglar esto!! Mar 10 04:21:03 bef0rd: como supiste que hablo español?? tan malo es mi ingles, jejeje Mar 10 04:21:47 no.. bueno, si xD ademas, en el whois sale .cl, chile Mar 10 04:22:35 jajajajajaja, toda la razon Mar 10 04:25:16 yo he estado trabajando en la traduccion de varios articulos de la wiki en http://wiki.maemo-es.org pero no recuerdo haber hecho nada sobre gpg Mar 10 04:26:39 * b-man wishes he could understand spanish XP Mar 10 04:26:46 wladi: Did you try gpg --gen-key ? Mar 10 04:28:44 yes, and after the passphrase input I get the error message: "gpg: [Internal]:0: invalid algorithm" Mar 10 04:30:42 wladi: what strange, maybe a bug? Mar 10 04:31:03 and when a try whit the import key...the error message is: unusable public key Mar 10 04:33:21 i don't know...meabe is a bug...:S Mar 10 04:34:28 but, in the n800 is same Mar 10 04:35:22 i think...that i'm the problem Mar 10 04:35:27 could you try to generate the key on your computer and import it on the n810? Mar 10 04:37:07 yes, but when a try whit the import key...the error message is (for encrypt any file): unusable public key Mar 10 04:41:30 but, if I want create a key, only for sing (opcion 2), i haven't problem Mar 10 04:42:25 i whit the first (for encrypt)...and only whit this opcion i can encrypt files Mar 10 04:42:41 but i can't!! Mar 10 04:42:43 jejeje Mar 10 04:43:41 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/maemo/developers/34803 Mar 10 04:46:02 bef0rd: thanks!! Mar 10 04:47:12 although there's no solution there heh, Mar 10 04:47:37 that seems to be your problem, the gnupg package that comes with maemo seems to be limited Mar 10 04:48:30 it only allows signing stuff but not encrypting them Mar 10 04:49:00 so...i can't encrypt wiht gpg in my n810... Mar 10 04:49:10 I could be wrong Mar 10 04:52:10 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3776&page=2 Mar 10 04:54:20 thanks, i'm reading this page Mar 10 04:55:07 I will continue trying...more per read and study Mar 10 04:59:43 I think it'll only work for signing stuff, there are some apps on garage.maemo.org in the cryptographt section Mar 10 05:04:59 yes...:( i'm waiting for new version Mar 10 05:05:53 thanks, I will see into the cryptographt section Mar 10 05:06:20 yep, I read somewhere that osso-gnupg (stripped down version of gnupg) will be replaced by the real thing Mar 10 05:08:31 mmm...so the osso-gnupg isn't trustful?? Mar 10 05:16:39 erm, what do you mean? Mar 10 05:16:55 stripped down version means that it has less features Mar 10 05:18:22 yes, but if be replaced by the real thing...?? Mar 10 05:18:50 by the full version of gnupg, with all the features.. Mar 10 05:19:31 ok, understand Mar 10 05:20:16 fine, then i wait the next version... Mar 10 05:21:22 thank you!! Mar 10 05:39:43 hello, i always forget where is the sources.list stored? Mar 10 05:41:36 /etc/apt/ Mar 10 05:42:37 lamo: for the next time you forget, searching for 'sources.list' in maemo.org or wiki.maemo.org gives you the answer :) Mar 10 05:43:28 right o but the one in /etc/apt is blank Mar 10 05:43:49 i want the one the package manager uses Mar 10 05:45:01 lamo: have you tried searching "hildon application manager sources.list" in maemo.org then? Mar 10 05:45:32 the first result I get: http://maemo.org/community/maemo-users/apt-get_vs-hildon-application-manager_in_diablo/ Mar 10 05:45:40 maybe it's exactly what you're trying to do Mar 10 05:45:47 i understand its just that the browser on this n810 is way too slow Mar 10 05:46:22 lamo, ah, well that's a different problem: try the Tear web browser :) Mar 10 05:46:51 "hildon-application-manager reads a catalogue list out of Mar 10 05:46:51 /etc/hildon-application-manager/catalogues (an XML file), and Mar 10 05:46:51 creates /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list each Mar 10 05:46:51 time." Mar 10 05:49:22 moo all Mar 10 05:49:23 http://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-382 Mar 10 05:49:35 m00f RST38h Mar 10 05:51:02 RST38h, W. T. F. Mar 10 06:06:15 johnx: http://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-777 Mar 10 06:06:53 s/W/W (Why)/ Mar 10 06:06:53 johnx meant: RST38h, W (Why). T. F. Mar 10 06:08:13 johnx: Should there be a reason for something like this? =) Mar 10 06:09:20 * johnx shakes his head Mar 10 06:15:02 02:18 < CIA-20> Fixes: NB#103954. Mar 10 06:15:02 02:18 < CIA-20> * matchbox/core/mb-window-manager.c: although any window which Mar 10 06:15:02 02:18 < CIA-20> has no parents is considered system-modal, this does not include Mar 10 06:15:04 02:18 < CIA-20> the desktop! Mar 10 06:15:16 sounds like a fun(tm) bug =) Mar 10 06:15:54 ahaha :D Mar 10 06:34:20 * RST38h isn't sure desktop should be system moal Mar 10 06:34:43 all kinds of weird behaviour changes may occur Mar 10 06:35:13 yes, I think the point of the bug is that it *shouldn't* be considered system modal Mar 10 06:49:03 morning StsN801 :) Mar 10 06:49:21 hehe, seems like my tablet knows better than me when i'm at work :P Mar 10 06:49:40 at work early again today? Mar 10 06:49:50 fiancée home in the country Mar 10 06:50:07 until sunday so Mar 10 06:50:21 her company has offices nearby mine so Mar 10 06:51:39 international moving is expensive :( Mar 10 06:52:09 i just wonder how much equipment i have to get rid of if the poland plans goes through Mar 10 06:52:45 ugh, for me it would be me trying to convince my wife to get rid of her favorite books: not gonna happen Mar 10 06:53:32 give her a kindle? ;p Mar 10 06:54:34 terrifyingly kindle DRMed ebooks are marginally more expensive than paperbacks it seems... Mar 10 06:54:37 true Mar 10 07:01:00 but like i have to change my entire home infrastructure when we move as i don't have sane server rooms anymore, heh Mar 10 07:01:24 Yesss: http://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-914 Mar 10 07:01:33 Imaging placing your N8x0 into this Mar 10 07:01:48 johnx: Torrent. Mar 10 07:01:52 Stskeeps, your basement, I-have-to-go-outside-and-reboot, "server room" is *sane*? Mar 10 07:02:16 johnx: it's saner than a server-in-my-top-closet Mar 10 07:02:25 Sts: where are you moving? Mar 10 07:04:20 with any luck my next server will be a sheevaplug and my next buildbox will be hundreds of km away Mar 10 07:08:32 RST38h: possibly poland Mar 10 07:09:22 * RST38h rotfls a bit Mar 10 07:09:34 RST38h: girlfriend and we own an apartment there, so Mar 10 07:10:14 Sts: Warsaw? Mar 10 07:10:16 yeah Mar 10 07:12:03 At least you will be able to track down that insane troll guy and show us the exclusive photos! =) Mar 10 07:15:35 * johnx thinks a replacement zaurus might be somewhere in his future :/ Mar 10 07:17:31 heh, the work psychological environment test is sent out in docx, and hence noone can read it with regular university computers Mar 10 07:17:40 (no 2007 yet, and the filters aren't pervasively installed) Mar 10 07:18:00 but how does that make you feel? :D Mar 10 07:18:13 hehe Mar 10 07:18:23 i ignore it, unreadable format ;) Mar 10 07:19:03 * johnx is really liking even the "intermediate" panels-on-top in h-d on the zaurus Mar 10 07:19:12 hmm? Mar 10 07:19:40 oh, the new UI stuff? Mar 10 07:20:01 yeah, but it's kind of halfway if you pull from the repository Mar 10 07:20:11 did you apt-get install marquee-plugins? Mar 10 07:20:16 nope :) Mar 10 07:20:20 well it helps. Mar 10 07:20:21 :P Mar 10 07:20:35 Stskeeps: does mer make device hotter than diablo? feels warmer Mar 10 07:20:35 been too busy trying to chase down this random suspend problem my zaurus is having Mar 10 07:20:37 if it's hildon-desktop-env that pulls in theme and layout and such, drag in marquee-plugins in too Mar 10 07:20:41 hahlo: version? Mar 10 07:20:49 hahlo: and potentially since it scans .. Mar 10 07:20:51 ah, will do Mar 10 07:21:04 latest ok Mar 10 07:21:41 hahlo: well, it's probably wifi related.. networkmanager is fairly interesting when it comes to power saving Mar 10 07:22:16 ok Mar 10 07:22:57 but it doesn't melt :) no? Mar 10 07:23:40 There is -no- warranty. This may blow up your MMC, steal your wife or cause doomsday to come around. But if you find some bugs, please report them on bugs.maemo.org and we'll try to see what we can do to fix the bug causing it. Mar 10 07:23:44 ;) Mar 10 07:24:09 honestly though, report a bug and state the issue and so on so we can keep track of it :) Mar 10 07:25:02 ok i try Mar 10 07:30:32 * Stskeeps ponders to get some more coffee Mar 10 07:31:38 ~seen wzd Mar 10 07:31:40 ~seen wazd Mar 10 07:32:09 i haven't seen 'wzd', Stskeeps Mar 10 07:32:10 wazd was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 4d 14h 26m 52s ago, saying: 'RST38h, yes :)'. Mar 10 07:33:02 heh...installed marquee-plugins. That certainly made the topbar thicker :) Mar 10 07:33:19 yeah, i'm not sure why Mar 10 07:33:21 it shouldn't Mar 10 07:33:29 (i had it working in my original patch) Mar 10 07:33:54 any reactions on the magic X? Mar 10 07:34:41 somewhat hard to hit with thumbs on the zaurus, but otherwise. definitely workable Mar 10 07:34:52 *nod* Mar 10 07:35:01 it should be as wide as the app icon Mar 10 07:35:23 ah, I should say the 'x' in the dropdown list is hard to hit Mar 10 07:35:33 ah Mar 10 07:35:35 it's easy to get the menu but kind of a pain to actually kill an app Mar 10 07:35:47 well we can look into that i guess Mar 10 07:35:48 there are open positions for Nokia's Maemo team -> http://www.nokia.com/imaginemaemo Mar 10 07:35:55 yeah, a fair bit Mar 10 07:36:15 always a a tough balance to make it easy to kill an app, but not *too* easy :) Mar 10 07:37:16 liri: i'd probably apply but i need to finish my masters degree first :) Mar 10 07:37:38 those are all a little over my head :) Mar 10 07:37:45 need any mid-level sys admins? Mar 10 07:38:22 hm, Maemo Update Mar 10 07:39:39 johnx: maybe if the X was bigger ? Mar 10 07:39:58 yeah, that'd do it Mar 10 07:40:13 I'm still deciding if one click to close an app is best, or if two clicks is ok Mar 10 07:40:28 well, definately not any more accidential closures Mar 10 07:40:39 and there's a fast app switcher at hand Mar 10 07:40:44 except when switching... Mar 10 07:40:48 hehe Mar 10 07:40:56 there is already really - minimize Mar 10 07:41:17 but anyway, this current implementation is up for discussion :) Mar 10 07:41:34 if we don't provoke people a little they won't engage :> Mar 10 07:42:14 I think a vote might be the right venue, with exactly two choices: x in the top right of the panel or x in the fast app switcher dropdown Mar 10 07:42:17 hehe, yeah Mar 10 07:47:38 eep! xchat: 16MB RES on startup Mar 10 07:48:29 yeah Mar 10 07:49:10 but anyway, the new layout helps on 640x? Mar 10 07:49:32 yeah. I still have two bars but it's lots better Mar 10 07:49:47 now if my zaurus would stop randomly suspending ... Mar 10 07:50:25 what is xchat linked against to make it 25MB RES... Mar 10 07:52:18 heh...now I need to figure out why the zaurus keymap is messed up Mar 10 07:52:19 wheee Mar 10 07:53:56 well, it's settled down at 21MB RES or *1/3 of the RAM* Mar 10 07:54:01 not very background friendly Mar 10 08:00:12 * Stskeeps still ponders wtf to do with his two disk arrays when moving Mar 10 08:00:42 Stskeeps: apply apply... I'm sure you'll do wonders :) Mar 10 08:00:46 you moving by car? Mar 10 08:00:50 yeah Mar 10 08:00:54 not so bad then Mar 10 08:01:25 johnx: problem isn't so much the transporting, the problem is how to integrate it into the apartment and avoid having it on all the time :P Mar 10 08:01:56 yeah, suppose so. small apartment? Mar 10 08:02:12 mm, not a place where you can put my server at least Mar 10 08:02:22 but not a small-ish apartment Mar 10 08:03:23 is your server a rackmount or something? Mar 10 08:03:32 nah, more like noisy Mar 10 08:03:39 ah. there's always that Mar 10 08:03:57 I'm really looking forward to something fanless I must say Mar 10 08:08:09 I am eager to have an Atom-based fanless server, but they don't seem quite widespread enough yet. Mar 10 08:08:28 ARM is where it's at :) Mar 10 08:10:39 off to work! Mar 10 08:21:32 http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2009/03/developer-ports-frets-on-fire-to-maemo-5.ars Mar 10 08:23:40 btw, I keep wondering... will Fremantle work on N8xx? Mar 10 08:24:17 gomiam: not with an officially supported version, but Mer will hopefully fill that void, and provide Fremantle APIs Mar 10 08:24:24 oh Mar 10 08:24:44 and if Nokia actually succeeds in getting OMAP2 MBX drivers, we might actually get some of the UI too Mar 10 08:25:14 does Mer provide multitouch to N8xx? Mar 10 08:25:30 well, as far as i know Fremantle doesn't have multitouch :P Mar 10 08:26:02 Stskeeps: oh. I don't understand, then how anybody will be able to play Frets on Fire on Maemo :) Mar 10 08:26:15 on Maemo5 on beagleboard or on RX-51 probably. Mar 10 08:26:22 in this example it was in SDK i think Mar 10 08:29:30 oh, ok, thanks :) Mar 10 08:50:25 good morning Mar 10 08:55:56 Morning Mar 10 08:56:14 morning X-Fade Mar 10 08:59:32 hmm. USB charging possibility Mar 10 08:59:35 * Stskeeps would love that. Mar 10 09:00:37 Stskeeps: Very likely for RX-51. Mar 10 09:00:43 yeah Mar 10 09:01:12 Most phone makers have now signed an agreement to introduce that. Mar 10 09:07:05 * RST38h moos Mar 10 09:07:21 * timelE61i chuckles Mar 10 09:07:39 nokia devies had already been using usb charging Mar 10 09:07:51 s/ie/ice/ Mar 10 09:07:51 timelE61i meant: nokia devices had already been using usb charging Mar 10 09:08:13 timelE61i: They were certainly not the first ;) Mar 10 09:08:44 * timelE61i shrugs Mar 10 09:08:51 * Stskeeps has much fun trying to design a new apartment where beagleboard(s), a 770, n800, asus wl-500gp, etc. Mar 10 09:09:12 * timelE61i fines sts for lack of a verb Mar 10 09:09:27 yeah, happens :P Mar 10 09:10:44 * timelE61i considers waking up Mar 10 09:10:59 Another indication of no more Diablo updates: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3748 Mar 10 09:18:21 *timelE61i* do you use those flowers as tea leaves? Mar 10 09:18:59 tHe timestamp means your client is /away Mar 10 09:19:06 Mar 10 09:19:34 And the *-*s mean it's a private message Mar 10 09:19:36 You got it opposite. My client is always /away because I like seeing timestamps. Mar 10 09:19:56 Morning, all Mar 10 09:20:03 Well, go read your away message Mar 10 09:21:18 Ah, those flowers.... No, all necessary substances are produced in my body naturally, as a byproduct of metabolism. Mar 10 09:33:21 timeless: I don't share your opinion about maps. Mar 10 09:43:43 ever translated it? Mar 10 09:45:40 "SCP personal below Level 3 are now banned from handling SCP-500. This is not to be used to cure a hangover. Get AIDS and then ask permission." Mar 10 09:52:08 hehe Mar 10 09:52:22 "The entire AI was on a well-worn, but still workable cassette tape." Mar 10 09:54:58 http://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-079 Mar 10 10:01:02 RST38h: "SCP-1021 Object is an Apple Inc brand portable media player [...] Carbon dating suggests the object is 430-440 years old" har-har, does ipod have any carbon in it? :) Mar 10 10:03:51 zap: You need 14C for carbon dating afaik and yes, it does Mar 10 10:04:04 isnt it made of alluminium? Mar 10 10:04:16 it's made of various shit Mar 10 10:04:19 :) Mar 10 10:04:32 i thought you were talking about ipod, not the zune Mar 10 10:04:35 whats that schisophrenic site? Mar 10 10:04:39 as the company is US based though, it is made of aluminum, not aluminium =) Mar 10 10:04:51 zap: Best waste of time I have seen in the last 3 months Mar 10 10:05:14 zap: English version of Piknik na Obochine =) Mar 10 10:06:19 Hi all Mar 10 10:06:23 Want to know the results? Mar 10 10:06:44 lcuk: The top 3 favourite Simpsons characters... care to make a guess before looking? Mar 10 10:06:48 Skinner for Council Chair? :P Mar 10 10:07:07 bart homer lisa Mar 10 10:07:16 dneary: Ok, who isn't gonna make it? Mar 10 10:07:17 Stskeeps, we already have jaffa Mar 10 10:07:47 lcuk: 2 out of 3 ain't bad Mar 10 10:07:53 RST38h: Guess dude Mar 10 10:08:16 * lcuk voted for ones which said BASS downwards just because it was a random poll might as well add order to it Mar 10 10:09:36 BTW I have not voted yet Mar 10 10:09:39 Never got the email Mar 10 10:09:54 then you miss out and if apu becomes council member its YOUR fault Mar 10 10:10:22 lol actually @ apu running the ovi app store :D Mar 10 10:11:33 dneary: Where do I vote? Mar 10 10:11:44 RST38h: The test election's closed Mar 10 10:11:51 * RST38h does not know who apu is but is already scared Mar 10 10:12:00 Ah it was a test election... No problem then Mar 10 10:12:17 We got about 30 ballots, which wasn't really enough to have a realistic type of election, everyone was bunched around 3 or 4 votes after the 2 most popular Mar 10 10:12:19 any of you played along qemu + arm ? Mar 10 10:12:57 lcuk: Bart, Apu, Smithers, Someone else? Mar 10 10:13:42 lcuk: I was originally going to make it "who is your favourite maemo.org staff member?" but thought that would be a bit close to home :) Mar 10 10:15:11 http://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-173 Mar 10 10:18:09 morning Mar 10 10:21:17 moorning lardman Mar 10 10:31:08 morning all... I'm having a problem with dpkg-shlibdeps: http://pastebin.com/d13437346 any ideas? Mar 10 10:31:54 lbt: missing Depends line somewhere? =) Mar 10 10:32:42 maybe qt45-demos ought to depend on qt scriptools package or something? Mar 10 10:32:44 most of the dpkg-shlibdeps work Mar 10 10:32:57 this isn't picking up deps Mar 10 10:33:03 on stuff I just built Mar 10 10:33:13 I tried a manual run with -S Mar 10 10:33:21 and setting LD_...PATH Mar 10 10:33:55 mm, that's usually bound to mess things up though Mar 10 10:34:15 bbl lunch Mar 10 10:34:18 OK Mar 10 10:38:57 any Nokians about? Mar 10 10:39:30 the dspgateway.sourceforge.net site is broken Mar 10 10:40:22 and at a slight tangent, it appears Ti have removed the DSP toolchain completely now (too old I guess) Mar 10 10:49:07 Um Mar 10 10:49:53 hello everybody! Mar 10 10:52:05 hi wazd Mar 10 10:53:17 wazd! Mar 10 10:53:28 wazd: i have artwork job for you Mar 10 10:54:05 wazd: http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Documentation/Desktop_layout , see screenshots Mar 10 10:55:30 (read: i actually implemented your UI mockup.) Mar 10 11:00:06 lo wazd Mar 10 11:00:46 * Jaffa really looks forward to seeing an artowkred version of the Mer UI Mar 10 11:07:14 * lcuk thinks wazd is gonna feel jumped on Mar 10 11:07:24 wazd, i hope you have had a nice break lol. Mar 10 11:08:19 lardman, the dspgateway stuff, is that the omap2 toolchain you normally use, or the newer one? Mar 10 11:10:22 I think it was called a toolchain for the OMAP1 actually Mar 10 11:10:30 same one as I used for the 770 anyway Mar 10 11:10:47 Someone is trying to get started right now, so he'll report back if one of the newer toolchains works Mar 10 11:10:57 * lardman goes to get caffeine Mar 10 11:15:14 ok, thats actually looks very nice Mar 10 11:16:03 we do however need some better icons than my bullshit ones :) Mar 10 11:17:01 and marquee background Mar 10 11:17:37 morning b-man Mar 10 11:17:57 hello Stskeeps :) Mar 10 11:19:20 but there's 1 mistake Mar 10 11:19:35 mm? Mar 10 11:19:53 last icon in a row is load-applet I suppose Mar 10 11:20:07 it's statusbar applet Mar 10 11:20:12 yeah, i would really prefer the statusbar applets to go right to left Mar 10 11:20:16 * b-man leaves for school Mar 10 11:20:36 Stskeeps: yes, exactly Mar 10 11:21:00 the amount of applications shown vs statusbar applets shown is adjustable btw Mar 10 11:21:07 right now it's 1/3 apps, 2/3 statusbar applets Mar 10 11:21:59 Stskeeps: I think it's better to set exact numbers of items :) Like 6/4 7/3 and so on :) Mar 10 11:22:12 yeah, but it is difficult when it has to be resolution independent code Mar 10 11:22:19 and it has to match up with the other elements Mar 10 11:22:25 sadly Mar 10 11:24:20 Stskeeps: can it calculate available numbers of items, like for example (*resolution width*-150)/40 ? Mar 10 11:24:27 yeah, that's what it does Mar 10 11:24:38 look at desktop layout wiki page :) Mar 10 11:25:11 "SCP-343, colloquially nicknamed "God" by the staff here, looks like an older man, although his features are different to each observer." Mar 10 11:25:13 WAZD! Mar 10 11:25:19 wazd: Got some news Mar 10 11:25:25 RST38h: moo :) Mar 10 11:26:15 Stskeeps: so what's the problem with showing this number to user?) Mar 10 11:26:44 wazd: hehe, it is configurable so we'll look into it when we have artwork in place :) Mar 10 11:26:47 Stskeeps: and making some volumebar or seekbar to setup the ratio Mar 10 11:27:19 wazd: anyway, if you have time to work on the icons mentioned in the wiki page (sizes are described) and a 18x52 repeating background for the marquee it would be really interesting Mar 10 11:27:26 wazd: 1. TI83+ works and needs a skin 2. TI82 also works (incredibly) and also needs a skin Mar 10 11:27:55 wazd: 3. I had to start on an iphone-like selection menu because having so many icons in the app menu is just insane (need the menu image) Mar 10 11:28:27 wazd: 4. Weird two-vertical-lines character is actually quotation marks :) Mar 10 11:28:54 RST38h: Well, Ti83+ skin is already done) Mar 10 11:28:55 wazd: And, finally, this: http://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/ will kill your productivity for a week in advanc3e Mar 10 11:30:30 [out for lunch] Mar 10 11:30:35 X-Fade: hi, how is it possible that http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/g/gpodder/ made it when there are unmet dependencies? Mar 10 11:31:31 qgil: Because the package 'cheated'. Mar 10 11:31:55 qgil: It is a python package, which needs no compilation. Mar 10 11:32:12 qgil: But it doesn't tell it requires python. Mar 10 11:32:24 RST38h: I actually don't know what's "iPhone like selection menu" :) That sliding tj the right thing?) Mar 10 11:32:37 I see Mar 10 11:32:40 Stskeeps: ok, got the task will do :) Mar 10 11:32:47 thanks X-Fade Mar 10 11:33:05 wazd: also, i was wondering, http://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/mer-appmenu.png <- why isn't this actually filling the entire thing? Mar 10 11:33:12 i mean, underneath marquee Mar 10 11:33:17 qgil: Obviously, something needs to be done to prevent things like that from happening ;) Mar 10 11:33:30 I just don't know what.. Mar 10 11:33:44 wazd: s/why isn't/why not/ Mar 10 11:33:50 anyway, fwiw I can see gPodder and rootsh available to be installed in the application manager after activating fremantle extras-devel Mar 10 11:34:07 x-fade, is there something like a python grammar check that you can force things through Mar 10 11:34:20 ie something not for compiling, but for validating Mar 10 11:34:44 lcuk: I think his control file doesn't tell anything about 'make'. Mar 10 11:34:58 So it gets copied, just like it was a documentation package or something like that. Mar 10 11:35:02 ahhh similar to a language pack Mar 10 11:35:41 might be worth checking how other distros do it Mar 10 11:35:46 at least in real life a package like this would never make it to extras-testing Mar 10 11:36:01 Yeah, it would not get 'promoted' Mar 10 11:36:14 because someone like me would vote -1 or flag "doesn't build" or file a blocker bug Mar 10 11:36:46 in the production system python would normally exist would it not Mar 10 11:37:07 lcuk: Sure, but it is not available _yet_ ;) Mar 10 11:37:37 Once the indt guys upload python, we are ready ;) Mar 10 11:37:46 yeah, thats what im saying though, qgil saying they wouldnt make it isnt right, they will and people wont care because they will work. expidite python into fremantle? Mar 10 11:37:48 lol Mar 10 11:38:17 Well python is not an officially supported runtime, yet. Mar 10 11:38:29 It is community supported through Extras. Mar 10 11:38:48 I would imagine that one day it will be included in the sdk by default. Mar 10 11:39:04 I thought part of the masterplan was for it to be supported? Mar 10 11:39:24 based on number of apps using it, the sooner the better ;) Mar 10 11:39:30 bbl anyway Mar 10 11:39:53 But if it is in Extras from the start, the result is about the same. Mar 10 11:40:10 As long as it is available. Mar 10 11:42:35 +1 but im not here :P Mar 10 11:44:30 lardman, not yet Mar 10 11:45:18 X-Fade: sure, I was just remembering that talk at the summit Mar 10 11:45:35 though I was standing by the bar, so my memory may be slightly clouded ;) Mar 10 11:47:20 lardman: https://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Maemo_roadmap/Fremantle doesn't mention it. Mar 10 11:47:29 ok Mar 10 11:50:14 Stskeeps: well, if you're talking bout the mer menu then I don't know, I have it fullscreen in my last mockups :) Mar 10 11:50:46 wazd: ah, so that is what the mer menu is Mar 10 11:51:02 Stskeeps: http://tabletui.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/task_man_3items1.jpg?w=480&h=640 Mar 10 11:51:20 i just got confused by the tasks bar really Mar 10 11:51:28 wazd: what do you think about the x menu? Mar 10 11:51:48 Stskeeps: well, it's tricky Mar 10 11:51:58 it would be more useful with bigger x'es i guess Mar 10 11:51:59 Stskeeps: on the one hand it's a good handy idea Mar 10 11:52:54 Stskeeps: and it eliminates large taskswitcher from mer menu Mar 10 11:53:24 The X's need to be easier to hit. I end up closing channels in XChat instead of removing email notifications half the time. Mar 10 11:53:46 Stskeeps: but on the other user would expect app to close on cross-tap, not to open some another task switcher Mar 10 11:54:04 true Mar 10 11:54:09 wazd: yeah, but on the other hand, Windows Mobile has a completely different view on X for instance Mar 10 11:54:17 and i often accidentially close stuff Mar 10 11:54:23 when i normally don't want to Mar 10 11:54:28 (cos i hit close instead of minimize) Mar 10 11:54:29 Stskeeps: WinMo is not the best example to follow xD Mar 10 11:54:34 of course not Mar 10 11:54:38 i hate WM's way :) Mar 10 11:55:35 Stskeeps: I don't think that you use "minimize" button very often on a mobile device Mar 10 11:55:48 Stskeeps: you switch to the app directly Mar 10 11:55:54 *nod* Mar 10 11:56:04 Stskeeps: I don't even use minimize on the desktop) Mar 10 11:56:15 Stskeeps: win+D only :) Mar 10 11:56:16 i think it would be useful to see how it could be done, and potentially remove it.. i just wonder where the hell we would put the overflow of applications otherwise Mar 10 11:56:45 Stskeeps: yep, it would be interesting to see how it would behave Mar 10 11:57:06 i think we might put it in 0.10, and put up a "Love the X or hate the X" poll ;) Mar 10 11:57:47 Stskeeps: mm, I saw nice kinetic scrolling in fremantle prealphas. is it crappy on the old hardware? Mar 10 11:57:59 the file chooser? Mar 10 11:58:06 hmm, i think it would be better if our X server was faster Mar 10 11:58:12 yo dawg, i heard you loved the X, so i put an X on your X so you can close your close button :D Mar 10 11:58:40 or minimize it) Mar 10 12:01:22 Stskeeps: So I should draw separate elements of the UI, right?) Mar 10 12:01:32 yeah, the icons Mar 10 12:01:42 that's first step at least Mar 10 12:02:11 because then we can start seeing the quirks in theme Mar 10 12:04:31 back Mar 10 12:05:21 wazd: "iPhone like selection menu" is a black background with 3x5 icons, each 100x100 pixels in size Mar 10 12:06:04 wazd: the icons should represent calc models (82,83,83+,85,86 right now), one icon to reset the calc and one icon for exit Mar 10 12:06:24 wazd: I have got the code working, as for the image it is all up to you :) Mar 10 12:06:46 wazd: you have got ti83+ skin somewhere? =) Mar 10 12:07:01 RST38h: ahh Mar 10 12:07:07 RST38h: got it Mar 10 12:07:35 RST38h: I have it on my mini, sister still got it kidnapped :) Mar 10 12:07:47 RST38h: I'll send it to you asap Mar 10 12:08:12 RST38h: http://tabletui.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/ati85_2.jpg?w=800&h=480 Mar 10 12:17:11 lunch today: jacket potato with cheese n beans, and a 1litre bottle of vodka! Mar 10 12:17:42 haha Mar 10 12:17:59 total price: £2 :) Mar 10 12:18:40 not bad Mar 10 12:18:51 does the vodka bottle have a cap thats resealable? Mar 10 12:19:10 yeah screw top vladivar blue Mar 10 12:19:16 i thought that the plastic cups with a rip-off lid were hilarious in estonia(1dl in size) Mar 10 12:20:06 im waiting for vodka with a sport top Mar 10 12:21:11 lcuk: sport top? you just rip it off and it doesn't go back? Mar 10 12:21:15 lcuk: they got those in russia Mar 10 12:21:36 wazd: Thanks! The MATRX button is wrong (I think) Mar 10 12:22:03 wazd Mar 10 12:22:16 no, http://www.ems.com/media/images/products/210/21028/2102802/210280218/210280218_DEEPBLACK_200_v1_m56577569830721875.jpg Mar 10 12:22:37 oh Mar 10 12:22:44 thats quite the opposite then Mar 10 12:22:54 lo zenvoid Mar 10 12:23:06 zenvoid: think i might have found the key to the theme issue Mar 10 12:23:39 wazd: The image you have got is TI83+SE, TI83+ is here: http://www.worsleyschool.net/science/files/usinga/mainpic01.jpg Mar 10 12:23:55 Stskeeps, insted of getting rid of the home titlebar, have you considered the posibility of getting rid of the whole hildon-desktop? :) Mar 10 12:24:10 zenvoid: once or twice and at the same time, learning QT. Mar 10 12:24:42 :D Mar 10 12:24:51 qtablet? Mar 10 12:24:55 yeah, i saw it Mar 10 12:25:46 but i think it would be helpful to adoption to have hildon stuff working, as in, with home applets and such, and not stray too far from fremantle in the standard setup, but allow flexibility Mar 10 12:28:08 zenvoid: anyhow. with the new hildon-desktop i just put in, it is a matter of commenting out rc/hildonhome.rc in the layout Mar 10 12:28:17 then it doesn't heed the home status bar background anymore Mar 10 12:28:28 and we can probably remove it from gfx too if need be Mar 10 12:29:05 and then in data/theme.xml set title height to 0 Mar 10 12:30:27 yes it would be helpful to adopt it for compatibility with applets, though Mar 10 12:30:38 got rid of the hildon_home_titlebar_* calls in hildon_home_window.c? Mar 10 12:30:47 there's a gconf schema i forgot to commit Mar 10 12:30:59 but it is in there now Mar 10 12:31:09 i also had marquee height set wrong Mar 10 12:31:13 (armel still building) Mar 10 12:34:39 there are some things that should be removed in the template and the theme-layout, but most important now is to add the missing parts for the marquee Mar 10 12:34:45 yeah Mar 10 12:34:58 wazd has started working on the icons Mar 10 12:35:07 so we just need some nice way to include them into template.svg/png i guess Mar 10 12:36:00 yes, and then remove all the unused things Mar 10 12:37:39 the file data/layout.txt should be changed, be warned that it is a really boring task to adjust this file :) Mar 10 12:37:43 yeah Mar 10 12:38:01 that's just the positions where to cut isn't it? Mar 10 12:38:26 yes, a lot of coordinates for the pieces Mar 10 12:38:40 btw, what does it mean the qgn_plat_ prefix? Mar 10 12:46:38 not sure Mar 10 12:48:54 zenvoid, the qgn_ prefixes were discussed the other day Mar 10 12:49:01 i dunno if a resolution was found Mar 10 12:49:33 some folks thought it was quim gil something or other, but afaik quim wasnt around when this lot started Mar 10 12:50:21 so nobody really knows what they mean XD Mar 10 12:50:46 lost in the mists of time, it appears as though they come from other nokia departments as well Mar 10 12:50:48 hi Mar 10 12:51:04 I used categories in appmgr for the first time today, whil playing with themes Mar 10 12:51:18 I thought this would be worth an announcement Mar 10 12:52:04 ie from symbian: http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/forum/showthread.php?t=31140&page=33 Mar 10 12:54:43 * lcuk ponders downing the whole litre bottole of vodka this afternoon Mar 10 12:55:13 lcuk makes my people proud. ;) Mar 10 12:55:46 ahhh tim, the voice of experience, should i have the whole bottle or just part of it? Mar 10 12:56:35 I'd wager that just a prt would be plenty... And mix it with something. Don't want to waste the night feeling like a turd. Mar 10 12:56:57 Stskeeps: hildon-liberty-theme looks different in Mer than in diablo, there are some glitches and many unthemed widgets. No idea of what is the cause Mar 10 12:57:11 heh, i should be ok to have about half then. i dont think my boss will notice too much Mar 10 12:57:36 Haha. Mar 10 12:59:18 * hahlo wish all the linux installers were like merinstaller, just click click inside windows Mar 10 13:01:57 hahlo, gentoo has a similar install system Mar 10 13:02:41 zenvoid: yeah.. we'll figure it out eventually. maybe because of lacking icons Mar 10 13:03:11 we don't exactly have osso-icons so Mar 10 13:09:50 Hi, I am interested in working for maemo in this year's Gsoc Mar 10 13:12:12 ok Mar 10 13:12:21 kartik_rustagi, are you the same one google gives results for regarding evince development? Mar 10 13:12:59 I did submit a patch to evince last year regarding .cb7 Mar 10 13:13:30 Stskeeps: I'm doing an "apt-get upgrade" inside the virtualbox image, my scratchbox installation is currently dead :) Mar 10 13:13:37 ok, im not sure if you are too late, check the maemo wiki for gsoc stuff Mar 10 13:13:38 zenvoid: should be safe Mar 10 13:14:15 kartik_rustagi: Yeah, the wiki has more info on GSoC, and I don't think it is too late Mar 10 13:14:16 vdvsx (i think thats his nick) has been pushing this, but i just heard someone asking about evince coding the other day - you might be compatible and have a chance of doing something??? Mar 10 13:14:34 lcuk, I did and I am interested in working for the 'Barcode Scanner' Mar 10 13:14:48 lardman|lunch, come off lunch Mar 10 13:14:56 speak to him ^ Mar 10 13:14:59 kartik_rustagi: http://wiki.maemo.org/GSoC_2009 Mar 10 13:15:00 back later Mar 10 13:15:04 'lo jeremiah_ :) Mar 10 13:15:16 Hello Stskeeps! And everyone else Mar 10 13:15:18 zenvoid: apt-get install marquee-plugins is a good idea too Mar 10 13:15:19 We had a presentation in our in college from maemo India team Mar 10 13:15:27 ok Mar 10 13:15:36 I had a hardware failure which is why I havne't been around much last few days Mar 10 13:15:58 moo jeremiah Mar 10 13:16:09 Hey RST38h! How goes it? Mar 10 13:16:11 I'm getting used to typing with a spanish keyboard and an english keyboard layout :) Mar 10 13:16:14 which part of your hardware broke? did it require surgery? =) Mar 10 13:16:20 heh Mar 10 13:16:26 jeremiah: meeting Mar 10 13:16:32 Oh no big deal, just the motherboard Mar 10 13:16:50 Has any other student started working for the 'Barcode Scanner' listed on http://wiki.maemo.org/GSoC_2009/Project_ideas Mar 10 13:17:01 I was just in the #maemo-meeting channel, seems quiet Mar 10 13:24:49 jeremiah: It is abandoned except for official meetings Mar 10 14:06:06 danielwilms: good idea with the introduction post :) Mar 10 14:10:19 danielwilms: No full content in your feed ;) Mar 10 14:12:24 X-Fade: saw that...but it is in the content field of the feed...don't know how to tell wordpress to put it into the description field Mar 10 14:13:35 X-Fade: there's only the option show full text in feed....hmmm...have to figure it out how to change that :) Mar 10 14:14:11 Yeah, I think it needs a change on our side.. Mar 10 14:16:28 RST38h: Can you give me a list of available emuls now? Mar 10 14:16:30 http://img17.imageshack.us/my.php?image=maemoorg.png Mar 10 14:16:36 wallpaper goodness Mar 10 14:20:29 X-Fade: ok, otherwise tell me when I should have a further look on my side Mar 10 14:24:45 etrunko_lap: Nice. ;) Mar 10 14:25:19 timsamoff: yeah Mar 10 14:25:22 * Jaffa should redo http://bleb.org/software/maemo/finding-maemo2.jpg to involve Maemo and Mer somehow Mar 10 14:25:47 Jaffa: Haha! :D Mar 10 14:25:48 someone at bossa right now ? Mar 10 14:26:04 timsamoff: : asked glaubert for this Mar 10 14:26:12 and he also provided a nice oo.o presentation template Mar 10 14:26:22 deco: sure Mar 10 14:26:31 I'll upload my slides somewhere Mar 10 14:26:32 etrunko_lap: glaubert roacks. ;) Mar 10 14:26:52 time to sign up for slideshare Mar 10 14:27:03 the internet is kinda lazy, isnt ? Mar 10 14:27:16 im going nut Mar 10 14:27:23 Jaffa: LOL Mar 10 14:27:25 * Jaffa would like to see all the presentations at the next summit use a common template wherever possible (i.e. let's have HTML, OOo, PPT, Keynote formats on wiki.maemo.org) Mar 10 14:27:59 Jaffa: time to start it then Mar 10 14:28:03 i have the artwork Mar 10 14:28:05 Not mandataed, of course. But would be nice, I think. Mar 10 14:28:20 don't know how to properly create a template Mar 10 14:28:29 a quick question, how to wake the screen up from software? send some d-bus signal somewhere, but where? (talking about a C application here) Mar 10 14:28:39 * Jaffa did with his OOo presentation for the summit, thinking it might do that - but I ain't no designer Mar 10 14:28:42 all i do is to set background pictures and so Mar 10 14:28:49 Stskeeps: the evil home titlebar is still there Mar 10 14:29:05 if people know early enough there will be a machine capable of playing back all those formats it would be easier, its not so much formatting that killed people it was getting it working Mar 10 14:29:17 zenvoid: hmm,s ec Mar 10 14:29:23 etrunko_lap: I'd suggest we come up with a master (say in OOo) and then produce variants in different formats (S5 etc) Mar 10 14:30:01 Jaffa, etrunko_lap: I liked the background I cam up with, but... I'm all for other versions. ;) Mar 10 14:30:27 zenvoid: ah, i think i forgot a dh_gconf in h-d Mar 10 14:30:27 sec Mar 10 14:31:37 Stskeeps: has the hildon-desktop package at repository.mer.tspre.org all changes? Mar 10 14:31:41 yeah Mar 10 14:32:35 building mer21 Mar 10 14:32:44 ok Mar 10 14:33:02 timsamoff/etrunko: I like mostly white backgrounds for the content, but with a whizzy title. A faded version of that wallpaper could also make a good content background Mar 10 14:33:37 Jaffa: Agreed. Dark backgrounds can be tough -- especially with bad projectors. :-/ Mar 10 14:34:09 zenvoid: easy fix is gconftool-2 -t bool -s /desktop/hildon/homewindow/titlebar/hide true; gconftool-2 -t bool -s /desktop/hildon/homewindow/menu/hide true Mar 10 14:34:20 OK, here is the template I used: http://bleb.org/software/maemo/template.otp - etrunko_lap it may get you up to speed. Mar 10 14:35:07 etrunko_lap: if you put some of the artwork online (wiki.maemo.org/Artwork perhaps?), I'll start the conversation rolling on-community Mar 10 14:36:11 Jaffa: ok Mar 10 14:36:21 i'll export the pictures and upload Mar 10 14:38:38 zenvoid: mer21 uploaded Mar 10 14:39:25 * zenvoid trying the easy fix ;) Mar 10 14:39:30 found it, from an obvious source libosso, sorry to have bothered, I managed to overlook it at my first glance... Mar 10 14:39:42 zenvoid: you'll prolly have to /etc/init.d/auto-startx restart at least Mar 10 14:40:31 Stskeeps: I restarted the whole virtual machine, thanks for pointing the auto-startx script :D Mar 10 14:40:32 http://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-015 Mar 10 14:42:12 RST38h: is that the carnate form of that windows 3d screensaver with the pipes? Mar 10 14:42:12 :P Mar 10 14:44:42 Stskeeps: the home titlebar is dead :) so, there was no need to change libhildondesktop sources, just a gconf setting? Mar 10 14:45:44 aye, it was a u-m patch i had forgotten to activate Mar 10 14:56:51 Sts: I do suspect that the screensaver is the result of this artefact getting to some optic cable and spreading... Mar 10 14:57:13 RST38h: hehe Mar 10 15:01:32 i have n800 working as my touchpad, but it's pain to try to click on anything small. is there some thing i can use to lay my computer screen on n800 screen? i see there's xtv, but can i force its window fullscreen? Mar 10 15:02:01 vnc with resize patch? maybe Mar 10 15:03:10 ok it would help a lot if i didn't need to install anything on n800 but i'll look into that Mar 10 15:12:16 Hmmm, the iPhone prototype UI looked like StarTrek PADD.... Mar 10 15:12:39 doesn't all prototype tablet UIs do that initially? Mar 10 15:13:04 Sts: No idea, although my internal sceptic says "no? Mar 10 15:13:05 " Mar 10 15:25:22 Stskeeps: do you know if the layout package for hildon-theme-mobile-basic is public? looks it is not Mar 10 15:41:10 RST38h, not stopping, that iphone test thing has a playground o_O Mar 10 15:54:48 lcuk: You mean, you are slowly progressing toward iPhone-like UI with liqbase? B) Mar 10 15:54:50 zenvoid: don't think they have one Mar 10 15:59:30 ? Mar 10 16:01:08 RST38h, they had more manpower than me :p Mar 10 16:01:22 http://www.streamingcolour.com/blog/2009/03/09/the-numbers-post-aka-brutal-honesty/ Mar 10 16:01:28 YESSS, YESS Mar 10 16:01:30 Stskeeps: do you think each pixmap icon has been drawn individually? Mar 10 16:01:39 * RST38h wonders what that guy was thinking about Mar 10 16:04:29 Making another color matching game for freaking $32k (!), selling it at $5 apiece through a mightily crowded site Mar 10 16:06:33 most of that money is probably his 'small salary' Mar 10 16:07:41 he hired contractors to write it Mar 10 16:12:14 ah. I didn't quite catch that. just skimmed the article ... Mar 10 16:40:10 zenvoid: as in they prolly used something like theme maker Mar 10 17:01:17 re Mar 10 17:01:22 wb Mar 10 17:07:27 lardman, the GSoC students really like the maemo-barcode idea, 4 students contact me about this till now :) Mar 10 17:08:49 VDVsx: good stuff Mar 10 17:08:57 vdvsx hehe good Mar 10 17:09:14 VDVsx: so I suppose wrapping the barcode functionality would be a good thing, so people can use it in their apps Mar 10 17:09:58 lardman, gotta fix the name. . . . Mar 10 17:10:14 yeah I know Mar 10 17:10:17 any suggestions Mar 10 17:10:18 ? Mar 10 17:10:20 lardman, yup, this can be used also in other linux systems Mar 10 17:11:18 well the actual processing code is largely pulled from other projects anyway, other than derf's re-written QR code handler Mar 10 17:11:35 My code turned out not to be so much of a re-write. Mar 10 17:11:40 ah ok Mar 10 17:11:46 As a "throwing all that code away and starting over". Mar 10 17:11:59 complete re-write then :) Mar 10 17:12:04 Yes. Mar 10 17:12:42 I told the guy his Reed-Solomon decoder was totally broken, too. I don't know if he ever fixed it. Mar 10 17:13:07 hi qwerty Mar 10 17:13:21 the question then, is whether these functions need to be wrapped up in something like the Zebra Xing library Mar 10 17:13:35 That's probably a good idea. Mar 10 17:13:45 hey woglinde Mar 10 17:13:48 There's no reason for them to be tied to the UI, or to maemo in particular. Mar 10 17:13:50 lardman is there an easy tutorial for the n8xx dsp programming? Mar 10 17:14:00 certainly the Python programmers would like some interface, and we should probably try to write a rough guess algorithm to decide what type of code is in view Mar 10 17:14:23 woglinde: not really, wiki page should give you some basics, then I can point you at some basic code Mar 10 17:14:40 lardman yes would be nice Mar 10 17:15:25 woglinde: http://wiki.maemo.org/Programming_the_DSP though the toolchain name is not right any more Mar 10 17:15:42 lardman, python bindings are easy to archive with cython or pyrex Mar 10 17:15:56 woglinde: also the DSP Gateway download page is broken, though hopefully they'll fix it as I've emailed someone about it Mar 10 17:16:03 VDVsx: yes Mar 10 17:17:21 * thopiekar is searching for a summer job.. do you now here he could earn some money in his holidays? [Germany] Mar 10 17:17:33 thanks lardman Mar 10 17:18:36 woglinde: I was talking to someone today, I think the best bet for the toolchain is cg55x_4_3_1 from https://www-a.ti.com/downloads/sds_support/targetcontent/LinuxDspTools/download.html Mar 10 17:18:41 I need to test and update the wiki Mar 10 17:18:51 lo qwerty12 Mar 10 17:19:44 thopiekar, if you are a student you can try Google summer of code :) Mar 10 17:20:10 So, how do we establish what the library calls should look like? Mar 10 17:20:26 hi Stskeeps Mar 10 17:20:27 VDVsx, lardman: Where is maemo-barcode's GSoC idea? Mar 10 17:20:43 nick the api from an existing barcode library and let people scratch heads for years to come about how to use it ;) Mar 10 17:20:53 derf: I think there's a page on the wiki somewhere Mar 10 17:21:05 Yes, I was hoping someone had a link. Mar 10 17:21:11 lardman hm it works with push and pop Mar 10 17:21:18 derf, http://wiki.maemo.org/GSoC_2009/Project_ideas Mar 10 17:21:19 lcuk: yeah except this is 4 sets of code, we should standardise it Mar 10 17:21:28 VDVsx: Thanks. Mar 10 17:22:02 VDVsx: I don't understand GSoC really.. If I would work for the project maemo.. I have to do what? Mar 10 17:22:32 well you could just do like the rest of us and work on it Mar 10 17:22:50 Do the GSoC students get paid to work? Mar 10 17:22:50 thopiekar, start here: http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs Mar 10 17:22:53 lardman, same front end, you want to accept a bitmap of data and return a token from the function Mar 10 17:22:55 yup Mar 10 17:22:59 $4500 Mar 10 17:23:11 does the calling program care what kind of barcode it found? Mar 10 17:23:17 plus book and t-shirts Mar 10 17:23:28 or are you making the whole thing available for the client to deal with Mar 10 17:23:33 YES! Mar 10 17:23:40 .. we can... Mar 10 17:23:40 lcuk: it probably ought to, otherwise not worth wrapping it in a library Mar 10 17:24:04 lardman, xml result set which can be processed as required? Mar 10 17:24:12 pah, xml Mar 10 17:24:16 some of the descriptions are very interesting.. Mar 10 17:24:20 so the client could feasibly do something with the isbn if found Mar 10 17:24:38 lcuk: web-lookup should be part of the library then? I'd say not, or at least not the same library Mar 10 17:24:45 xml is worthwhile for many things, and since its a universal lookup Mar 10 17:24:59 lardman, agree Mar 10 17:25:03 "Bittorrent plugin for Canola" - maybe the python-bittorrent module would be useful.. Mar 10 17:25:09 lardman, it depends if your library is having any ui or not Mar 10 17:25:18 lcuk: yes, but at the moment you can just call a single fn and it will return the barcode to you, not much need for a wrapper Mar 10 17:25:23 I think it would be a lot of fun to do something like OpenCV from an embedded perspective (no floating point, minimize memory usage), but who has the time... Mar 10 17:25:41 derf: +1 Mar 10 17:25:55 lardman, sure there is: what kind of barcode was it, is the code matching, what about original vs baked code? Mar 10 17:26:00 VDVsx: when will they start with it? Mar 10 17:26:02 def opencv with wthe dsp? Mar 10 17:26:08 ups derf I meant Mar 10 17:26:11 woglinde: Not the dsp necessarily. Mar 10 17:26:25 thopiekar, the coding ? mid may Mar 10 17:26:27 But even on ARM, floating point sucks. Mar 10 17:26:51 derf hm? Mar 10 17:26:58 It's very slow. Mar 10 17:26:59 with neon it should be fine Mar 10 17:27:05 VDVsx: so they are not starting as i have my holidays? Mar 10 17:27:27 derf: "even on"? Most ARM chips in embedded environments don't have an FPU Mar 10 17:27:47 currently in liqbase ive got a barcode button, it does nothing at all yet but can be made to pass in a bitmap to any function. the same button can be used from the camera module as well. however the app that comes up post processing - should that simply be a binary with a code as a parameter? Mar 10 17:27:49 thopiekar, no, all the student have the same schedule Mar 10 17:27:51 ccooke: Yes, that too. Mar 10 17:27:57 The N800's does, but that doesn't mean it's fast. Mar 10 17:28:03 It's just faster than software emulation. Mar 10 17:28:18 ill talk later, driving back Mar 10 17:28:20 It's still slowe than dedicated fixed-point code. Mar 10 17:28:24 derf, the opencv idea was proposed by a nokian :) Mar 10 17:28:24 *slower Mar 10 17:28:28 bye lcuk Mar 10 17:28:44 lcuk: ok Mar 10 17:28:47 derf: ... well, yes. Floating point is orders of magniture more complex than integers. Mar 10 17:28:52 VDVsx: Well, it's not the first time I've thought about it. Mar 10 17:29:04 VDVsx: thanks for the info... do I have to send something like a letter of application? Mar 10 17:29:11 deejoe, and someting is already done, I think, let me check Mar 10 17:29:14 derf: However, that's no reason to say that they suck. They solve the problem they're intended to solve very well. Mar 10 17:29:34 thopiekar, all the info is in the link that I sent Mar 10 17:29:37 maemo-barcode would benefit substantially from being able to re-use OpenCV code... but it's not designed for an embedded platform. Mar 10 17:29:46 ~lart ActiveX Mar 10 17:29:47 * infobot throws ActiveX's poor little doggy off a cliff Mar 10 17:30:03 Using floating point for something where fixed point is faster *where you don't need the range that floating point gives you* could be described as sucking, I guess. Mar 10 17:30:04 VDVsx: k thanks again :) Mar 10 17:30:12 Some day I will be able to have a conversation in this channel without getting into a philosophical debate. Mar 10 17:30:18 derf, https://garage.maemo.org/projects/opencv/ Mar 10 17:30:28 :) Mar 10 17:30:35 VDVsx: I'm not saying you can't compile it for maemo. Mar 10 17:30:46 I know :) Mar 10 17:30:51 That's not the same thing as it being any good. Mar 10 17:31:30 derf, the rx-51 will have a super fast FPU :) Mar 10 17:31:57 VDVsx: Oh? Haven't heard much about floating point performance on the cortex. What's known? Mar 10 17:32:07 Well, that is the other reason I don't want to do it. Faster hardware will eventually obviate the need. Mar 10 17:32:27 ccooke, nothing :( just kidding Mar 10 17:32:36 ccooke: it's not that fast according to the Pandora people Mar 10 17:32:40 Drat. Mar 10 17:32:40 Then again, I thought that back in the 386 days, and here we are, with all the same problems on smaller devices. Mar 10 17:32:43 Oh, well Mar 10 17:32:47 in fact I seem to remember seeing that the n810 was faster Mar 10 17:33:07 there's a thread on the Pandora forums with some benchmark data, I'll look for a linky Mar 10 17:33:08 plays glquake2 fast enough with no real optimizations Mar 10 17:33:08 what do you guys think of a mythtv plugin as a gsoc proposal for maemo org, canola mentor? im a student btw o.o Mar 10 17:33:36 z4chh: sounds a great idea. Mar 10 17:34:33 http://www.gp32x.com/board/index.php?showtopic=45583&hl= Mar 10 17:34:38 http://www.gp32x.com/board/index.php?showtopic=45673&hl= Mar 10 17:34:43 http://www.gp32x.com/board/index.php?showtopic=46513&hl= Mar 10 17:34:59 might be of interest re floating point (and first one overall speed fp and integer) Mar 10 17:35:21 evening johnx_ Mar 10 17:35:49 hey johnx_ Mar 10 17:35:51 ccooke, thanks, i know there are already apps out there to do mythtv stuff..but why not make a great app, greater? >.< Mar 10 17:36:30 The rx-51 will have freakin' lasers on its head, baby! Mar 10 17:39:50 cu all later on Mar 10 17:40:15 zenvoid: how's it going with it? Mar 10 17:42:24 hey Stskeeps, lardman :) Mar 10 17:43:23 * Myrtti yawns Mar 10 17:43:27 Stskeeps: I almost have one of the 66 marquee pixmaps integrated into the template, and it only took 4 hours :P Mar 10 17:44:41 zenvoid: hehe, okay.. 66? Mar 10 17:44:55 .. why 66? Mar 10 17:45:05 ls hildon-theme-mobile-basic-0.37/images/mb_marquee_* | wc -l Mar 10 17:46:41 .. Mar 10 17:46:41 sec Mar 10 17:49:14 zenvoid: you only need to do one really, images/mb_marquee_background.png Mar 10 17:49:14 images/mb_marquee_background.png Mar 10 17:49:28 kinda fun that the downloads page on maemo.org defaults to os2007, even tho im using os08 on my N800... Mar 10 17:49:43 zenvoid: .. atleast atm Mar 10 17:49:57 Stskeeps: sure? it looks that is is used only for the statusbar area Mar 10 17:50:23 zenvoid: images/mb_marquee_background.png: PNG image, 18 x 52, 8-bit/color RGBA, non-interlaced Mar 10 17:50:23 anyway, that is the one that I've started with Mar 10 17:50:26 k Mar 10 17:50:29 i hoped it was ;) Mar 10 17:50:36 heh, this maemo mapper update is interesting Mar 10 17:50:45 all button presses pan north :D Mar 10 17:50:53 the maintenance of the template and its coordinates and rc files is going to be painful, I guess that nokia have some kind of tool to do the work Mar 10 17:51:30 zenvoid: it is in hildon-navigator which is the one used for marquee i think Mar 10 17:51:36 the background that is Mar 10 17:51:40 atm it's just black Mar 10 17:51:42 lemme try to add it Mar 10 17:52:19 Stskeeps: if you do not have too much objections, I think I will try to use a standard gtk theme like ubuntulooks for most widgets and use the template for panels only Mar 10 17:52:59 alright Mar 10 17:53:32 be aware we might have to wrap all this possibly over again once fremantle themes come out, but we'll see :P Mar 10 17:53:56 ? Mar 10 17:54:31 the new UI? Mar 10 17:55:41 do you plan to integrate the new fremantle UI in Mer? Mar 10 17:55:47 well as in, we'll possibly be able to adapt fremantle themes, but we'll see Mar 10 17:56:50 * Stskeeps doesn't know yet Mar 10 17:58:51 curious, can't seem to get the background to work Mar 10 18:01:01 and do you think that the Clutter library could work in OMAP1/OMAP2 devices? Mar 10 18:01:12 without GPU Mar 10 18:01:50 it would be great since it looks very much like the marquee, with a panel on top Mar 10 18:01:57 and no left panel Mar 10 18:02:09 i'm not sure Mar 10 18:02:15 b-man claimed he had compiz going actually Mar 10 18:02:27 !!!! Mar 10 18:02:30 I can't picture a way in which clutter would be smooth on the omap2, but I'd love to be proven wrong Mar 10 18:02:31 really? Mar 10 18:02:42 anything will work if you're patient enough :) Mar 10 18:03:13 using software opengl like the mesa libs, I guess Mar 10 18:06:11 probably lcuk will be able to create an alternative Clutter library with smooth software render ;-) Mar 10 18:07:35 clutter could be somewhat implemented as long as we arent talking about rotation ;) Mar 10 18:08:00 :) Mar 10 18:08:35 it all depends on how its used. im attacking things from a different direction Mar 10 18:09:05 ie im hopeful to have liqbase rendering on opengl where available Mar 10 18:09:27 but thats in a parallel dimension for now ;) Mar 10 18:10:12 I don't know what operations does Clutter provide in the API Mar 10 18:11:22 i do Mar 10 18:11:37 rotations? ;) Mar 10 18:11:57 yeah Mar 10 18:15:08 wow... Mar 10 18:15:17 I'm looking at its sources Mar 10 18:15:27 more complex than I've though Mar 10 18:15:36 t Mar 10 18:15:46 yeah muchly Mar 10 18:16:05 mightv been mangled more since i saw it as well Mar 10 18:17:32 it even handles shaders and such things... Stskeeps I don't think it would be easy to port this to devices without GPU Mar 10 18:18:54 ... so I'm afraid I need to continue with the fucking pixmap template XD Mar 10 18:19:01 zenvoid: hehe Mar 10 18:19:08 zenvoid: nokia is still working on getting mbx drivers btw Mar 10 18:20:55 zenvoid, just because something supports shaders does not mean they have to be totally implemented Mar 10 18:21:41 it depends on primary utilization Mar 10 18:21:57 zenvoid, using nokia's clutter-based UI and using nokia's theme resources are very different things :) Mar 10 18:22:36 * johnx_ heads off to watch some anime, then bed Mar 10 18:24:26 johny haha yesterday I watched 5 hours one piece or so Mar 10 18:24:32 ups johnx Mar 10 18:24:34 johnx_: yeah, but a theme for scratchbox/marquee/hildon-desktop and a theme for a clutter-based UI may not be very compatible, I think Mar 10 18:25:07 Oh poo on lardman|gone. Mar 10 18:25:30 etrunko_lap, ping? Mar 10 18:25:31 zenvoid: still sharing a lot of characteristics, like gtk themes etc Mar 10 18:25:33 im surprised clutter is themable - what i know is clutter can rehouse gtk within it (varying degrees of success) Mar 10 18:25:34 and backgrounds Mar 10 18:25:59 is clutter using gtk? Mar 10 18:26:07 for themes? Mar 10 18:26:10 no, but rest of UI is ;) Mar 10 18:26:13 well the matchbox desktop menus come from it Mar 10 18:26:19 errr matchbox WM Mar 10 18:26:21 thingy Mar 10 18:26:59 unless they rewrote matchbox to be clutter then it HAS to be compositing x11/gtk at some level Mar 10 18:27:16 I was thinking that matchbox won't be used at all Mar 10 18:27:32 hildon-desktop Mar 10 18:27:58 but well... I don't know much about clutter, I just looked at it a few minutes ago for the first time :) Mar 10 18:28:28 zenvoid, at least matchbox maemo svn is receiving quite frequent updates Mar 10 18:28:29 clutter == game engine == glut Mar 10 18:28:38 == liqbase Mar 10 18:28:58 Only better... oh wait... Mar 10 18:28:59 even == flash lol Mar 10 18:29:44 but world+dog has wanted to use linux apps so compositing has been added Mar 10 18:32:12 Hi! Mar 10 18:32:46 Anybody have problem with WPA/PSK with n810? Mar 10 18:32:58 I get something strange Mar 10 18:33:20 I couldn't connect to Wi-Fi point with standart wifi util Mar 10 18:33:24 vasily with the latets updates I had problems with WPA Mar 10 18:33:31 but successfully connect with wpa_supplicant Mar 10 18:33:40 worked fine before Mar 10 18:33:48 hmm Mar 10 18:33:52 I just imported the cert Mar 10 18:33:56 and it worked Mar 10 18:34:06 but now I seems not wot work anymore Mar 10 18:34:12 but I have to go now Mar 10 18:34:15 bye till later Mar 10 18:34:16 we have no certs at that problem point Mar 10 18:35:35 quote: "It is assumed that we will have only one OpenGL drawing context, and thus a single process running in the system will be using Clutter at a time. This process will be the window manager[...]" Mar 10 18:35:48 I'm not sure if I'm reding that right... Mar 10 18:36:05 does it mean that only the window manager will be able to use clutter? Mar 10 18:36:13 or what? Mar 10 18:36:49 no clue Mar 10 18:36:53 simple pre-shared key Mar 10 18:37:58 zenvoid, :) thats in line with what ive read about single process stuff :) Mar 10 18:38:07 zenvoid: ok, so the bg of the marquee seems to work -just fine-.. until the elements of it show up, heh Mar 10 18:38:49 Stskeeps: each element has to be included in the theme :/ Mar 10 18:39:12 zenvoid, without some form of plugin arch or serious client server/WM handling you cannot really share the necessary data Mar 10 18:39:48 zenvoid: well, or at least their background Mar 10 18:39:52 lcuk: ??? I'm lost XD Mar 10 18:40:02 :) Mar 10 18:40:30 zenvoid, you cannot share the memory necessary to share clutter actors between different applications Mar 10 18:40:46 ah, ok Mar 10 18:40:47 ie to have one actor pop up within another app Mar 10 18:41:21 and to make a fully fluid WM work means you lose some of the niceness of using actors Mar 10 18:41:42 and it would also be VERY difficult to make a WM act like you want beyond just moving windows around Mar 10 18:42:13 * lcuk gets round it by using plugins which share memory but live on their own threads Mar 10 18:42:57 Stskeeps: it seems that each icon on top of the marquee is required to draw its portion of background Mar 10 18:43:13 it would be much easier if there was only one background and all icons on top where png with transparency Mar 10 18:43:15 how do you think, release version of Maemo 5 will work on OMAP2? Mar 10 18:43:35 re Mar 10 18:43:43 zenvoid: without even trying, i can only imagine Qt would be nicer. Mar 10 18:43:43 hey ho simon Mar 10 18:43:50 vasily_pupkin: won't Mar 10 18:43:50 hey lcuk Mar 10 18:43:51 Stskeeps: just like all normal panels in X, gnome-apnel, fbpanel, lxde panel... Mar 10 18:44:18 lcuk: I got what you were saying, it's just a question of how many extra layers are needed above for the barcode lib Mar 10 18:44:20 zenvoid, the damage library from x11 manages the corruption a window causes and then you draw as required Mar 10 18:44:25 * zenvoid wonders why the marquee themes are implemented this way Mar 10 18:44:56 zenvoid, i think all windows in maemo have to manage their own transparency Mar 10 18:45:10 dont the desktop plugins have similar redraw thingies Mar 10 18:46:39 ? Mar 10 18:46:47 lost again :D Mar 10 18:47:20 when you move an applet on the maemo desktop the applet itself is in charge of managing its own transparency Mar 10 18:47:32 ah, ok Mar 10 18:47:41 because it is "fake" transparency Mar 10 18:47:44 yes Mar 10 18:47:54 No it isn't Mar 10 18:47:58 i thought it was? Mar 10 18:47:59 no? Mar 10 18:48:23 * lcuk puts an applet on Mar 10 18:48:51 lardman, i keep trying to write an answer to you lol Mar 10 18:49:02 In the applet you just draw with a rgba colorspace and it just works Mar 10 18:49:02 The desktop libraries take care of the composite-stuff Mar 10 18:50:43 lcuk: no rush, am going to go and eat in a mo Mar 10 18:50:58 anyway, the icons that are on top on a panel shouldn't be required to be responsible of the panel background, I think Mar 10 18:51:07 code for omweather grabs the background desktop picture and does stuff with it Mar 10 18:51:07 https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/trunk/omweather/src/weather-applet-expose.c?revision=2254&root=omweather&view=markup Mar 10 18:51:23 zenvoid: well, their own background i guess Mar 10 18:51:47 zenvoid: anyhow, i can't solve the gtkrc stuff for background on the individual pieces.. Mar 10 18:52:01 why? Mar 10 18:52:36 cos i'm lost in gtkrc ;) Mar 10 18:53:58 lardman, it all depends on whether you expect UI to come up. the core "heres a picture, what can you detect from it" needs no UI, it just requires a standard way of passing data. Mar 10 18:54:09 the actual barcode manager app though requires something more Mar 10 18:54:37 it's HDApplicationsMenu, HNAppSwitcher (items of HNAppButton) ,StatusbarContainer, HDSwitcherMenu) Mar 10 18:54:39 Stskeeps: yes, me too :) Mar 10 18:54:40 -> zenvoid Mar 10 18:54:44 the ones in panel Mar 10 18:54:44 the manager app could be in the same library with an entry point of "show the UI manager using %barcoderesults%" Mar 10 18:55:21 zenvoid: as in classes Mar 10 18:55:24 lcuk: ui should be completely separate from the algorithmic stuff Mar 10 18:55:27 re Mar 10 18:55:40 wb woglinde Mar 10 18:55:41 mvc? Mar 10 18:56:04 lardman did you wrote the dsp stuff in assembler or the c/c++ dialekt? Mar 10 18:56:13 woglinde: C Mar 10 18:57:05 lardman, agreed in principle, libbarcode and barcode-manager could be 2 totally different projects. and lbt can use libbarcode within his shopper to automatically tick off things, and i can use it in liqbase to play with and others can use it for whatever they want Mar 10 18:57:28 yrp Mar 10 18:57:31 lardman, do you want a generic name or something interesting and more brand worthy? Mar 10 18:57:31 yep even Mar 10 18:57:38 Stskeeps: HDPanelWindow has been renamed to HildonDesktopPanelWindow ? Mar 10 18:57:51 * lcuk can see so many little apps using scanned things Mar 10 18:57:58 GeneralAntilles: I'm not too bothered, I'm writing an app I want to use Mar 10 18:58:08 GeneralAntilles: though I need to remove the maemo- bit I know Mar 10 18:58:17 zenvoid, hmm Mar 10 18:58:18 lardcode Mar 10 18:58:20 lardman, libbarcode and Barcode for Maemo maybe. Mar 10 18:58:23 lcuk lol Mar 10 18:58:30 GeneralAntilles: yep Mar 10 18:58:30 thats slick! Mar 10 18:58:48 barlard doesn't have quite the same ring Mar 10 18:59:20 barman does Mar 10 18:59:30 barwoman Mar 10 18:59:54 Stskeeps: ok, time to fully reinstall my scratchbox Mar 10 18:59:57 specially made to let you scan your bottles of spirits and come up with cocktail recipes :) Mar 10 18:59:57 lardman, dont worry about the name yet, whats important is does it scan Mar 10 19:00:06 of course Mar 10 19:00:10 * lcuk got a 1litre bottle of vodka today Mar 10 19:00:11 it's always done that Mar 10 19:00:39 Can I change hw MAC with cx3110x driver? Mar 10 19:00:40 zenvoid, hehe.. i prefer vmdk coding. less sb hassle Mar 10 19:00:44 ok, so if you made yourself a 3 function library Mar 10 19:00:51 _open, _scan and _close Mar 10 19:01:10 Stskeeps: I will install it too Mar 10 19:01:14 no need for open really, just scan() Mar 10 19:01:16 and tie it in with your GUI app - you can adjust the api as required Mar 10 19:01:24 anyway, am being beckoned for food, bbiab Mar 10 19:01:36 have open, in future you might need to initialize some things Mar 10 19:01:52 better to be prepared: libraries open and close Mar 10 19:02:00 brb myself testing hard drive Mar 10 19:05:04 Stskeeps: I think I'll keep trying tomorrow... can't build packages right now, I have a bad cold, and just discovered a few minutes ago that my partner has gone with another boy without even saying goodbye. Not the best day for editing the fucking hildon theme template Mar 10 19:05:26 zenvoid: yeah, i know the feeling Mar 10 19:05:50 zenvoid: take your time, no rush :) Mar 10 19:06:42 * Stskeeps sits down and glances at his linear algebra homework Mar 10 19:07:20 stskeeps whats wrong with it? Mar 10 19:07:35 woglinde: what's wrong with my linear algebra homework? well.. where to start ;) Mar 10 19:08:13 as in: it's my last course ever and i don't really want to have it :P Mar 10 19:08:17 hihi by the way I am free of the homeworks Mar 10 19:08:52 only 3 oral exams and master/diploma thesis Mar 10 19:09:20 mm, i am writing my masters thesis atm and i have one last exam, - linear algebra :P Mar 10 19:10:09 stskeeps hm whats your topic? Mar 10 19:10:29 woglinde: improving rehabiliation through the use of multiple positioning techniques Mar 10 19:10:45 .. mix of pervasive healthcare and positioning/localization Mar 10 19:14:01 hm Mar 10 19:14:19 sounds intressting Mar 10 19:15:16 it will probably be once i figure out what the heck it means Mar 10 19:15:17 :P Mar 10 19:15:54 lol Mar 10 19:25:28 what IDE is everybody using? Mar 10 19:26:02 joe, bash. Mar 10 19:26:02 :P Mar 10 19:27:35 I only use sed myself Mar 10 19:28:05 hehe Mar 10 19:29:16 * lcuk managed to wipe out 200gb of data Mar 10 19:30:05 lcuk, good job. did you find it a hard task to accomplish? Mar 10 19:30:36 no, windows automated the whole process, it has this wizard to help. Mar 10 19:30:54 ah, thank god for Bill Mar 10 19:31:12 nextnextnextnextrebootnextnextoopsnextnextrebootrebootfinish Mar 10 19:31:25 bill? this has sweaty prints and chair dents in it Mar 10 19:31:43 bah. you , you don't know how . We had to use in our time! Mar 10 19:32:14 rotfl Mar 10 19:32:36 qwerty12_N800: see the effect you have on people?! ;) Mar 10 19:32:52 http://entertainment.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1152115&cid=27101809 Mar 10 19:32:57 nomis read that Mar 10 19:33:00 lardman: hmm? :) Mar 10 19:33:32 http://entertainment.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1152115&cid=27098407 Mar 10 19:33:36 actually it starts tehre Mar 10 19:33:42 ~curse treeview and all its associated lists and thingies Mar 10 19:33:43 May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, treeview and all its associated lists and thingies ! Mar 10 19:33:44 lcuk: heh :) Mar 10 19:33:58 heh lardman Mar 10 19:35:21 I once bought a pron DVD just because it was supposed to have multiple angles Mar 10 19:35:52 The scene with multiple angles, angle 1 in a living room, angle 2 on a sea shore Mar 10 19:36:01 I was a little bit disappointed Mar 10 19:36:09 anyone know if a tree/list view is supposed to refresh itself automatically if you change its contents? Mar 10 19:36:22 ahhh well, i bet you still have a better experience than i had with a scratch n sniff porno Mar 10 19:37:33 lardman, what bit of the contents have you changed, and from a logical perspective i would say it might get a bit heavy if its automatic with no way to disable it Mar 10 19:37:56 I've added a row, but it doesn't realise it Mar 10 19:40:11 re Mar 10 19:40:34 lo Mar 10 19:40:40 Anidel: you sure have trouble with ubuntu :P Mar 10 19:40:58 stskeeps :) it won't boot :P and now I can't even boot from my internal SD :D Mar 10 19:41:20 I was looking for the flasher command to tell it to boot from the mmc Mar 10 19:41:42 i'm willing to bet your problem has to deal with having a non-deblet bootmenu before, trying to boot the ubuntu distribution, and then flashing deblet bootmenu and trying then, but failing cos the ubuntu installation is already dead Mar 10 19:41:46 :P Mar 10 19:42:05 why the ubuntu installation should be dead ? Mar 10 19:42:09 lardman, nothing jumping out at me from searches apart from "arghhhh this fscking treeview" Mar 10 19:42:14 non-deblet bootmenu kills the installation Mar 10 19:42:17 it gets unbootable Mar 10 19:42:17 but it must be possible Mar 10 19:42:18 ahhh Mar 10 19:42:37 that's why it can't mount the ext3 partition when booting from internal flash! Mar 10 19:42:54 I knew, in fact, that you could mount it with ext2 with no problems Mar 10 19:42:59 but it wouldn't Mar 10 19:43:10 that's nice :D Mar 10 19:45:01 lcuk: thanks :) Mar 10 19:50:31 i think they should adjust movie gross income for inflation Mar 10 19:51:42 don't they already, unless "they" are newspapers looking for a headline? Mar 10 19:53:19 there might be an article on Mer in tomorrow's LWN.net btw, if i managed to answer him quick enough :) Mar 10 19:54:20 'gratz Mar 10 19:55:58 i'm just looking forward to be able to show the fiancée something tangible of the time i spend on the laptop :P Mar 10 19:56:08 lol Mar 10 19:56:11 I know the feeling Mar 10 19:57:04 it was easier with one of my exes who was actually logged into a irc server i wrote, but this stuff is a lot more high level :P Mar 10 19:57:37 does she know you code stuff? Mar 10 19:57:38 :) Mar 10 19:57:44 your current fiance? Mar 10 19:57:59 just slap her around a little bit if she gets testy Mar 10 19:58:17 my fiancée knows, yeah, it kinda comes with the fact i'm working at the dept. of computer science.. Mar 10 19:58:21 :P Mar 10 19:58:32 then she should understand ;) Mar 10 19:58:50 when you first met and she asked what you do did you say "I work at the department of computer science..." Mar 10 19:59:00 ? :) Mar 10 20:00:14 hehe, nah Mar 10 20:00:40 * lcuk will have a calendar for tracy soon and we will be able to scribble notes and talk to each other and take photos and draw silly shit on them (mustaches mainly) and make lol cats and motivational photos and i would like to get her recipe timer working and integrate shopper and stuff but doing it all with little lego blocks. Mar 10 20:00:42 * lcuk takes a breath Mar 10 20:00:51 I do feel the same :) she had a tangible show of the time I spend here, when we went to the Summit :D Mar 10 20:01:44 Stskeeps: :) i used to wonder if someone who was a janitor at MS would meet women at a bar and lead with "I work for Microsoft." Mar 10 20:02:51 she knows you work a the dept of computer science.. i'm sure she understands why you use your laptop so much Mar 10 20:03:35 lcuk: uhm. this your baby daughter or something? Mar 10 20:04:27 no tracy is gf :) theres more i wanna do re educational stuff for youngest Mar 10 20:04:53 Macer: MS unlikely has janitor on payroll - they probably buy janitorial services from another company Mar 10 20:05:01 hmm, if I place things in a GtkHBox, for example some buttons and a GtkTreeView, why do my buttons get forced off the edge of the screen, can I stop the TreeView from expanding? Mar 10 20:05:19 suihkulokki: maybe a door man or receptionist guy? Mar 10 20:05:43 security services :) Mar 10 20:05:44 there has to be some sort of absolute low level position at MS that has some $9/hr guy walking around in bars saying "I work for Microsoft." Mar 10 20:06:04 lardman, are you re-weighing your contents after modifying the required columns etc Mar 10 20:06:23 suihkulokki: haha.. wtf? :) So MS only employs coders and high power business men huh? Mar 10 20:06:28 my columns are just too wide with data in them Mar 10 20:07:19 * lardman wonders how to get a GtkTreeView widget to display and use scrollbars Mar 10 20:08:05 Macer: and lawyers Mar 10 20:08:13 lardman, grab some source from an app which does and peek inside is best suggestion without reading the entire gtk manual Mar 10 20:08:31 yeah, no idea which apps do that though, back to the manual :) Mar 10 20:08:31 lawyers arent directly employed, they are grown Mar 10 20:09:22 shame khertan isnt here, he goes through similar pains Mar 10 20:33:58 hmm, Xserver;s gone mad, reboot time Mar 10 20:34:28 Meanwhile somewhere in UK: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/03/10/bloke_duck_mounting/ Mar 10 20:37:09 lardman the parallel assembler instrcutions looks funny Mar 10 20:37:25 just quit Mar 10 20:44:15 Stskeeps: which folder should I clean after upgrading hildon in mre? Mar 10 20:44:17 mer* Mar 10 20:49:55 Corsac: ~/.osso/hildon-desktop Mar 10 20:50:13 oki thanks Mar 10 20:50:23 then restart? Mar 10 20:51:52 yeah Mar 10 20:52:55 hi Mar 10 20:53:30 how can i enable the root user with maemo onto a nokia N810 ? Mar 10 20:53:57 nameless`: just install rootsh from repository Mar 10 20:54:19 ~root-access Mar 10 20:54:20 hmm... root-access is http://wiki.maemo.org/Root_access Mar 10 20:54:22 hmhm, still look weird Mar 10 20:54:25 which repository ? the one on nokia.com/os2008 ? Mar 10 20:54:32 ~root Mar 10 20:54:32 [root] not a Good Thing to use when using IRC. Please use a different account. Mar 10 20:54:58 what is the goal of flasher3.0 ? Mar 10 20:55:01 nameless`, look at the root access link. Mar 10 20:55:04 i saw this on multiple website Mar 10 20:58:18 Anidel: just to be fair to fanoush, it's not his bootmenu that messes up things, it's the traditional maemo boot process Mar 10 20:58:29 which we subvert to get ubuntu/debian/etc booting correctly Mar 10 21:03:59 i've got a problem with maemo extra : http://repository.maemo.org/extras/dists/chinook/non-free/binary-armel/Packages.gz : sub-process gzip return an error code (1) Mar 10 21:07:14 pizzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzza Mar 10 21:07:24 :P Mar 10 21:07:41 deformed, modern art esq pizza was delicious Mar 10 21:09:26 nameless`, you should upgrade to Diablo. Mar 10 21:09:32 ~flashing Mar 10 21:09:33 rumour has it, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Mar 10 21:10:42 GeneralAntilles, can you explain me more about diablo ? Mar 10 21:10:48 what are you talking about ? :) Mar 10 21:10:56 update your firmware :) Mar 10 21:11:08 nameless`, diablo is the newest update for your n810. you posted a link to a repository which was for older chinook Mar 10 21:11:38 hey joyrider__ did you solve your disconnect crisis Mar 10 21:11:52 Hey, I'm fooling around with fremantle again, but I am unable to start hildon-home. run-standalone.sh reports "hildon-home: command not found". What would that indicate? Mar 10 21:11:59 lcuk hey :) nope but i just ssh into it now :) Mar 10 21:12:15 :D excellent Mar 10 21:12:21 over usb still? Mar 10 21:12:25 yes Mar 10 21:12:37 was the documentation on the maemo wiki valid ? Mar 10 21:12:46 should it be hildon-desktop and not hildon-home? Mar 10 21:13:14 lcuk, n810 = the hardware, maemo = the OS, diablo = ? Mar 10 21:13:29 diablo = the specific release of the os Mar 10 21:13:42 ok Mar 10 21:13:52 so for the moment i got maemo chinook Mar 10 21:14:02 and you want me to upgrade to maemo diablo Mar 10 21:14:04 i dunno what you have Mar 10 21:14:10 but the link you gave referenced chinook Mar 10 21:14:11 huhu Mar 10 21:14:17 ok Mar 10 21:14:34 about usbnet ? yes most of it was although i did a lot of error & trialing myselve first. the notes about adding it to the /etc/network/interface on pc itself were right. although i had to unmount memcards and rmmod g_storage.ko to make it work. haven't turned of the device since then ;) Mar 10 21:14:37 GeneralAntilles, how does someone know which version they have? Mar 10 21:14:46 uname -r no ? Mar 10 21:14:56 lcuk, About in the Control Panel. . . . Mar 10 21:15:01 oh porka troja.. I know what causes all my problems now Mar 10 21:15:22 GeneralAntilles, thanks . . . :D Mar 10 21:15:25 my virtual machines / filesystem is 100% full.. probably maemo sdk installation is borked because of that Mar 10 21:16:11 Anyone using XChat-2.8.6-maemo5 from extras-devel? Mar 10 21:16:16 joyrider__, good, was just wondering because not so many do usb net, wifi is easier Mar 10 21:17:36 yeah but the wifi connection isn't persistent. i mean it disconnects quickly and i don't like the workaround of pinging www.google.com or something to keep it up :) but hey i'm happy with usbnet and it's just like my gp2x dev setup was :) Mar 10 21:18:00 joyrider__, theres a setting for that, mine never disconnects unless i tell it to Mar 10 21:18:32 qwerty12_N800, how would i know, ive got one version or other from extras Mar 10 21:18:51 joyrider__: diablo shouldn't require that but derf's acmonitor can ping google automatically Mar 10 21:19:22 lcuk: by seeing if xchat's version is 2.8.6. Mar 10 21:19:35 Hah, people still use that? Mar 10 21:19:58 hmm really ? damn couldn't find it though (probably because i got my device in dutch) and until today i didn't had internet on my linux pc either nor wifi. i could change it all now if i wanted but i quite like the setup how it is :) Mar 10 21:20:06 derf: indeed. :) Mar 10 21:20:25 2.8.4 Mar 10 21:20:33 * lcuk will get haxx0red Mar 10 21:21:37 btw about SDL and games, i read that one can't or at least shouldn't use SDL_flip because it does fullscreen updates. Is it that bad to do it ? because i don't notice any major concequences by doing it. but then again the game isn't that demanding either Mar 10 21:22:08 You're using the extras version. I've been applying skyhusker's hildonizing patches to 2.8.6 and making improvements of my own to the xchat in extras-devel. Mar 10 21:22:14 joyrider__, not bad - try it and if it works for you, great. it just tears Mar 10 21:22:24 nice Mar 10 21:22:28 hmm don't see any tearing either Mar 10 21:22:45 but i do use a kind of double buffering method Mar 10 21:23:20 have an extra buffer where i draw everything to then flip then draw it to the screen and flip the scren Mar 10 21:23:23 screen* Mar 10 21:23:56 sorry ment draw to buffer -> draw buffer to screen -> sdl_flip(screen) Mar 10 21:24:55 cool Mar 10 21:25:14 hello, I'm stupid. Mar 10 21:25:30 officially, or just practicing? Mar 10 21:25:47 I've been using my 770 since 2006 and I just today realised I could setup ssh keys to my tablet to get passwordless login to my shell provider Mar 10 21:25:52 d'oh. Mar 10 21:25:59 heh Mar 10 21:26:12 think of all those seconds you couldv saved Mar 10 21:26:15 (my tablet locks itself) Mar 10 21:26:19 yeah... Mar 10 21:26:35 since my passwords are 14 or so chars with special chars Mar 10 21:26:40 could be my game is just too simple to make it tear have no clue i'm just an average joe hobbyist programmer anyway ;) only started with sdl & linux stuff due to the gp2x Mar 10 21:26:41 ssh + screen is strong Mar 10 21:27:08 better late than never I guess... Mar 10 21:27:09 joyrider__, dont fret really, if the device is doing exactly what you want then PERFECT Mar 10 21:27:20 Myrtti, just consider it practice Mar 10 21:27:22 indeed :) Mar 10 21:27:58 will have to learn about making packages etc though but the wiki has a nice page about that Mar 10 21:28:22 it's been really helpfull :) Mar 10 21:30:20 joyrider__, what spec was the gp2x? Mar 10 21:30:29 GeneralAntilles, how do i upgrade to diablo ? Mar 10 21:30:43 ~flash Mar 10 21:30:44 ~flashing Mar 10 21:30:44 from memory, flash is For an EEPROM (flash) programmer that can handle any chip except +12V ones, go to http://fly.hiwaay.net/~jfrohwei/circuit/, or a proprietary format for online animations by Macromedia. However "GPL Flash" has now been released @ http://www.swift-tools.com/Flash/, or wget http://www.macromedia.com/software/flashplayer/special/beta/installers/linux/plugin/install_flash_player_6_linux.tar.gz, or ap Mar 10 21:30:45 hmm... flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Mar 10 21:30:49 Bleh Mar 10 21:31:09 lol Mar 10 21:31:11 * lbt flashes Mar 10 21:31:23 how comes we have shared keywords? Mar 10 21:31:25 GeneralAntilles, do you have a pointer ? Mar 10 21:31:28 put it away! Mar 10 21:31:31 GeneralAntilles, a howto i mean Mar 10 21:31:35 ~flashing Mar 10 21:31:36 flashing is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Mar 10 21:31:39 (for the third time) Mar 10 21:31:52 lcuk, because infobot is in several channels. Mar 10 21:32:04 ahh Mar 10 21:32:07 thanks :) Mar 10 21:32:08 arm 920t 200mhz (i think it was) as well with 64 ram but the 32mb was reserved, lemme look up a page with the specs Mar 10 21:32:18 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GP2X Mar 10 21:32:53 i think most of the gp2x sdl games for the f200 (the same device but with touch screen support) can be easily ported over the nokia n810 Mar 10 21:32:56 joyrider__, are you running at the lower gp2x resolution Mar 10 21:33:04 no changed that already Mar 10 21:33:24 to 640x480 (centered on the screen) Mar 10 21:33:44 you could do with finding pupnik and seeing who and what you two can get organised gaming wise :) Mar 10 21:34:03 that explains why tearing isnt as much of a problem Mar 10 21:34:38 ah i see so it's only when you do a full screen 800x480 game then ? Mar 10 21:35:20 no, its a problem for you as well, but nowhere near as noticable. the refresh from computer memory to lcd hardware occurs too slowly Mar 10 21:35:30 i see Mar 10 21:37:47 anyway really loving the device :) will keep me busy for a while Mar 10 21:38:28 once i have the latest diablo arm.bin, where do i put it and how do i install it ? Mar 10 21:39:00 nameless`, the page explains it all Mar 10 21:39:37 ho sorry yep Mar 10 21:40:18 i did make one mistake bought myself micro sdhc mem card instead of mini sd, the site where i bought it from wasn't really clear about it. but just orderd a micro -> mini sd adaptor and hope that it'll work Mar 10 21:41:15 dont see why not, i use one myself Mar 10 21:41:39 ah cool good to know that it'll work Mar 10 21:45:05 btw what are good "community" sites about the n8x0 devices ? i already found internet tablet talk Mar 10 21:45:36 lcuk, is there a flasher for n810 ? Mar 10 21:45:54 ~flashing Mar 10 21:45:54 ~flashing Mar 10 21:45:55 extra, extra, read all about it, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Mar 10 21:46:00 and ~flashing Mar 10 21:46:01 ~flashing Mar 10 21:46:07 i know Mar 10 21:46:15 qwerty12_N800, i think you forgot ~flashing Mar 10 21:46:15 but they said Download the Flasher for your platform and tablet model from Nokia's Tablet Dev site Mar 10 21:46:30 and then Mar 10 21:46:40 on this page http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/ i don't see a flasher for n810 Mar 10 21:46:44 lcuk: damn! Must be the time of day :) Mar 10 21:46:46 just some diablo release Mar 10 21:47:12 * Anidel thinks playing with ubuntu installation has destroyed is diablo installation on the internal flash :( Mar 10 21:47:49 niet! to participate in GSoC I should be 18 years old, right? but I'm 17 :| Mar 10 21:48:06 Anidel: what happened? :( Mar 10 21:48:18 lardman|gone, i just noticed: on the tablets-dev page it shows our tablets have a qr code barcode :O Mar 10 21:48:45 thopiekar: "old date of birth" - 1 year = "date of birth" :p Mar 10 21:48:50 not your fault.. I had a different bootmenu installed Mar 10 21:48:51 thopiekar: will you be 18 by the time it ends ? Mar 10 21:48:58 * b-man is 16 Mar 10 21:49:34 Anyway, to make it short, I rebooted with Diablo into the internal flash and it won't mount neither of my Linux partition (/dev/mmcblk0p2 and mmcblk1p2) Mar 10 21:49:35 18 at the 6th of December :| Mar 10 21:49:54 but weird is that I just reformatted mmcblk1p2 and it won't mount it anyway.. uhm Mar 10 21:50:03 i'll be 17 next fall Mar 10 21:50:07 qwerty12_N800: is that really allowed? Mar 10 21:50:21 thopiekar: probably not... :p Mar 10 21:50:25 * b-man is 1 day younger than qwerty12 Mar 10 21:50:38 :) Mar 10 21:50:39 * thopiekar gets angry :P Mar 10 21:50:44 lol Mar 10 21:50:44 hmm <- 28 :( Mar 10 21:51:07 oh got it.. it won't load the ext[2|3].ko modules Mar 10 21:51:09 qwerty12: october, 11 is mine :) Mar 10 21:51:28 youngsters Mar 10 21:51:32 probably it's because now they're the ones from a different kernel? Mar 10 21:51:53 b-man: hehe, as you know, 10/10 here :D :) Mar 10 21:52:02 :) Mar 10 21:52:35 someone as an ext3 or ext2.ko that can send to me and that I can load into a plain Diablo kernel ? Mar 10 21:52:53 Anidel, its in extras i believe Mar 10 21:53:00 dont quote me on that tho Mar 10 21:53:01 they are ? Mar 10 21:53:05 it just sounds familiar Mar 10 21:53:11 qwerty will know Mar 10 21:53:12 * thopiekar joins now #gsco to talk with the people about that.. but before that he is going to change his nickname Mar 10 21:53:14 the kernel modules in extras ? Mar 10 21:53:15 hes not gone senile yet Mar 10 21:53:20 :D Mar 10 21:53:28 qwerty12 ? Mar 10 21:53:40 Anidel: /mnt/initfs/lib/modules/2.6.21-omap1 Mar 10 21:53:55 I know Mar 10 21:54:00 but they won't load Mar 10 21:54:05 e2fslibs - ext2 filesystem libraries Mar 10 21:54:09 isnt that it ^ Mar 10 21:54:18 don't think so... Mar 10 21:54:21 Anidel: wait a sec, module dependencies Mar 10 21:54:40 different kernel I think qwerty Mar 10 21:54:50 it says it can't find a symbol when loading the module Mar 10 21:54:57 I've been messing with the ubuntu installation Mar 10 21:55:13 and I think they were overwritten ? Mar 10 21:55:52 bbl Mar 10 21:56:06 Anidel: for m in mbcache.ko jbd.ko ext2.ko ext3.ko; do insmod /mnt/initfs/lib/modules/2.6.21-omap1/$m; done Mar 10 21:56:12 lcuk those are for user space programs Mar 10 21:56:35 ahhh anidel, i know i needed em for something :$ Mar 10 21:56:38 * lcuk is still a n00b Mar 10 21:56:54 why they don't use depmod :D thanks qwerty! Mar 10 21:57:12 hehe there is a way to solve that age problem.. I should be a mentor then.. :PP Mar 10 21:58:03 Anidel: I use modprobe on my tablet :) Mar 10 21:58:31 I tried depmod and it wasn't there.. so I thought modprobe won't work Mar 10 21:58:34 lcuk: i don't consider you one :) Mar 10 21:58:50 actually there's no modules.dep file... did you create it ? Mar 10 21:59:13 not considering, doesn't measn the reality is different :P :P eheh Mar 10 21:59:16 just kidding :) Mar 10 21:59:35 well downloading the Ubuntu rootstrap.. I'll untar that one Mar 10 21:59:36 hey-- what is actually FOSS? Mar 10 21:59:57 Anidel: i symlink the modules from /mnt/initfs/lib/modules/2.6.21-omap1 to /lib/modules/2.6.21-omap1 and then grab http://sse2.net/depmod and then do a 'depmod -a' :) Mar 10 22:00:10 b-man, my linux skills are still very low, bare minimum Mar 10 22:00:11 sound good Mar 10 22:00:32 but im not here now :P Mar 10 22:01:11 hmm, I've lost my taskbar Mar 10 22:01:55 lcuk: but you make some brilliant software for maemo - liqbase :D Mar 10 22:02:46 done qwerty :) useful Mar 10 22:06:50 anyone know where window manager errors should be reported (by the process, so I can work out why I have no taskbar)? Mar 10 22:08:41 lardman, in maemo? Mar 10 22:08:49 no, ubuntu Mar 10 22:09:06 ahhh dunno then lol Mar 10 22:09:08 btw: Mar 10 22:09:09 lardman|gone, i just noticed: on the tablets-dev page it shows our tablets have a qr code barcode :O Mar 10 22:09:36 yes, ask derf to see if his decoder works on it ;) Mar 10 22:09:51 damn, no terminals and no taskbar Mar 10 22:09:57 lardman: try killing gnome-panel and seeing if it pops bacj Mar 10 22:10:08 s/bacj/back/ Mar 10 22:10:08 qwerty12_N800 meant: lardman: try killing gnome-panel and seeing if it pops back Mar 10 22:10:13 qwerty12_N800: any ideas how to get a term? Mar 10 22:10:32 alt+f1 brings up a run dialog iirc Mar 10 22:11:18 lol something worked Mar 10 22:11:42 anyway, back to x11test/ Mar 10 22:12:00 oops. alt-f1 logs you out and activates the bomb :/ Mar 10 22:12:29 hehe you the evi1 Mar 10 22:13:19 lol, it's alt-f2 as well :) Mar 10 22:13:37 * qwerty12_N800 only knows 'is Win+R :) Mar 10 22:15:23 re Mar 10 22:15:55 switching VTs seemed to kill everything Mar 10 22:16:03 heh Mar 10 22:16:54 lbt: finally cloned & i'm finding shopper really useful (well, as a general purpose list app) :) Mar 10 22:17:13 I'm glad :) Mar 10 22:17:22 it gets better with rotation... Mar 10 22:17:27 coming soon Mar 10 22:17:42 Hehe :) Mar 10 22:17:59 mind you - I think you'll be the only other user until I get the Mer port working... Mar 10 22:20:13 Not entirely sure my cloning method was clean though - browser complains about the storage location upon each startup... Mar 10 22:21:20 aargh, no gnome-panel running at all Mar 10 22:21:23 b-man untarring the Ubuntu rootstrap using the tablet's TAR is gonna work ? Mar 10 22:21:26 and it's unwilling to be started Mar 10 22:21:52 Anidel: it should Mar 10 22:22:00 b-man: I'll let you know :) Mar 10 22:22:03 lardman: what did you do to abuse the poor thing? :( Mar 10 22:22:23 nothing, it just locked up all of a sudden so I killed the Xserver Mar 10 22:23:30 after that simply reboot ? or do I hve to rerun refresh_bootmenu.d ? don't think so.. should care less about the files in the partition Mar 10 22:23:39 *shouldn't Mar 10 22:24:27 * Anidel is happy, probably tomorrow is new baby is going to arrive (mini 9) Mar 10 22:24:32 Anidel: you need to run refresh_bootmenu.d after adding the item file Mar 10 22:24:42 it's already there and configured Mar 10 22:25:07 watching 24 s1x1 ! (long way to go!:)) Mar 10 22:25:37 Jack dies Mar 10 22:26:43 Anidel: you'll nedd to reboot, but before that apply the changes that i noted in the release note under the imsge link Mar 10 22:27:00 *image Mar 10 22:27:52 qwerty12_N800: starting then killing gnome-panel did the trick, it then respawned. No clue why it didn't do that after boot mind you Mar 10 22:28:00 pluse i'd suggest running apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade also - that image is pritty old Mar 10 22:28:29 @Anidel Mar 10 22:28:49 lardman: heh Mar 10 22:30:01 so qwerty12_N800 - you got a big enough list to scroll yet? Mar 10 22:30:37 right, I've added some fixed to maemo-barcode so that one can add/edit/delete data entries, though I still can't get the alterations to turn up in the list view for some reason (until I restart the app) Mar 10 22:30:47 s/fixed/fixes Mar 10 22:30:59 lbt: Heh, not yet :) Mar 10 22:32:02 http://pastebin.com/d549dccd6 Mar 10 22:32:56 lbt: adding something like "dh_link /usr/share/icons/hicolor/26x26/apps/shopper/shopper.png /usr/share/icons/hicolor/26x26/hildon/shopper.png" to your debian/rules will get the correct size shopper icon displayed in the left task switcher (instead of the oversized one for that area) Mar 10 22:33:50 b-man will do Mar 10 22:34:07 * Anidel my cat's Momo obscures the screen's view :) Mar 10 22:34:40 qwerty12_N800: looking here and clicking on the left screenshot - is that 'oversize'? http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/shopper/ Mar 10 22:35:56 lbt: well, it's certainly the wrong size for that area :), open any of the default Maemo apps Mar 10 22:36:59 on that screenshot it's the same size (approx) as the globe, the men, the 4-squares... Mar 10 22:37:21 but you're right Mar 10 22:37:25 most apps are tiny Mar 10 22:37:29 weird Mar 10 22:38:01 well, Shopper has to be big to fit lots of things in... Mar 10 22:40:58 Ooh, the scrolling is nice. :) Mar 10 22:41:15 thankyou :) Mar 10 22:41:19 it was hard work! Mar 10 22:42:01 :) Mar 10 22:42:08 notice you can even scroll by touching a checkbox... Mar 10 22:42:18 and it won't activate Mar 10 22:43:52 night all Mar 10 22:43:57 nigt Mar 10 22:46:33 Wow, the ghosting on penguinbait's post on this thread with minimalist on an N800 is pretty psychadelic. http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=270540 Mar 10 23:29:27 Greetings everyone! Mar 10 23:30:25 Hey, anyone want to help me figure out how to Hotsync Garnet VM for the first time? Mar 10 23:30:39 This is as far as I can get... Mar 10 23:30:40 http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/8641/46527042.jpg Mar 10 23:43:06 Any takers on helping me with Garnet? :) Mar 10 23:46:38 where are you stuck? Mar 10 23:47:06 Trying to Hotsync for the first time. Mar 10 23:47:28 i have never done it but i believe you have to set it to sync over lan Mar 10 23:48:24 I have USB and Network checked under connections. Mar 10 23:50:55 Not sure what to do next in getting Hotsync to work. Mar 10 23:56:12 ~ping Mar 10 23:56:13 ~pong Mar 11 00:42:21 what a wonderful day Mar 11 00:42:29 if i win the mega millions lottery then it would be perfect :) Mar 11 00:42:32 heh Mar 11 01:14:17 I wonder what root CA cert storage xchat uses on n810. xchat on fedora recognizes irc server gravel.mozilla.org, xchat on n810 says invalid, pidgin on n810 says valid Mar 11 02:12:06 * Firefox16 finally updates the ubuntu-n8x0 repo after fixing the upload issue Mar 11 02:14:18 * Firefox16 can finally sleep tonight without worrie Mar 11 02:54:00 Hey, anyone know what price a good deal on a bluetooth keyboard should be around? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Mar 11 02:59:57 2009