**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Mar 11 02:59:57 2009 Mar 11 03:19:51 cactaur: A standard one or a collapsable one? Mar 11 03:20:09 both Mar 11 03:20:51 I haven't actually been able to find a collapsable one. Mar 11 03:26:14 ah Mar 11 03:27:01 But do you know how much a standard should cost? Mar 11 03:28:18 the expensive apple one is about $70 Mar 11 03:39:02 hi everybody Mar 11 03:39:16 i got my nokia about 2 months ago Mar 11 03:40:31 can anyone give me any pointers, my n810 stopped taking passwords for ssh today and i cant figure out why Mar 11 03:40:51 i checked /etc/sshd_config and everything appears to be there Mar 11 03:41:19 i even added AllowUsers user and i still cant get in Mar 11 03:42:41 application manager won't let me uninstall OpenSSH Mar 11 03:45:08 pls help Mar 11 04:07:59 any error messages? Mar 11 05:28:10 morning, anybody subscribed to maemo-users deleting systematically email threads lately and thinking that discussion would be better handled in ITt/talk.m.o? Mar 11 05:33:32 it's been quite noisy and i admit that i simply marked some entire threads as read Mar 11 05:33:49 e.g. "device usage" etc Mar 11 05:49:39 Is anyone online? Mar 11 05:50:46 I was hoping to get some tech support with the tablet update wizard... I get the windows clock message and nothing I do fixes it. I click back then next several times and nothing... Can anyone help me? Mar 11 05:52:29 just noticed http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/03/06/nokia_text_art/ Mar 11 05:58:19 any news on the new tablet? Mar 11 05:59:53 it'll have friggen lasers Mar 11 06:00:39 miren esto! http://xkcd.com/528/ Mar 11 06:01:07 i mean look at this Mar 11 06:01:46 StsN802: I love you ;-) Mar 11 06:02:25 hey, do yall know anything about the windows clock problem when trying to flash? Mar 11 06:03:30 qgil: I had a similar kind of app in my phone... Mar 11 06:06:55 it used the call/sms log Mar 11 06:07:04 can't find the screenshot I took, of course Mar 11 06:08:21 oh, right Mar 11 06:08:22 http://www.flickr.com/photos/myrtti/3130130375/ Mar 11 06:13:07 ooooh, a Gwibber screencast! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WlXKlMXGxw Mar 11 06:29:38 moo myrtti Mar 11 06:30:19 Mx00f Mar 11 06:31:04 * StsN802 curses the non working coffee Mar 11 06:31:13 heya johnx Mar 11 06:31:36 Sts: switch to ephedrine? =) Mar 11 06:31:51 <- french press, strong coffee Mar 11 06:34:28 * robink installs Gwibber Mar 11 06:35:19 johnx: btw, http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-texas-profiling_wittmar10,0,6051682.story Mar 11 06:35:30 priceless Mar 11 06:36:18 Myrtti: Do you recommend Gwibber? Mar 11 06:38:29 RST38h, been a long time since there was a clear example of highway robbery Mar 11 06:38:44 robink: I've used it since June or so and have translated it to Finnish, so yes. Mar 11 06:41:04 Myrtti: Ah. Mar 11 06:43:32 johnx: surely it happens just does not get onto dailyrotten =) Mar 11 06:43:38 "Whatever process the subject uses to convert organic matter into furnishings, it is apparently only facilitated by the introduction of living humans." Mar 11 06:55:04 Hmm, gwibber wants mx.DateTime Mar 11 06:57:18 Oh, needs to be rebuilt for Python 2.5. Mar 11 06:57:40 * johnx_ reads iTT, has trouble understanding the whole "us vs. them" fanboy psychology ... Mar 11 07:01:19 johnx_: what post in ITT? Mar 11 07:01:39 any thread involving apple products or the pandora Mar 11 07:01:49 What are they saying about the Palm Pre? Mar 11 07:02:09 depends on who you mean :) Mar 11 07:02:25 ah :-) Mar 11 07:02:26 Palm's investors are saying everyone who bought an iPhone will be switching inside two months :) Mar 11 07:02:36 Hah, not likely. Mar 11 07:02:44 that's what Palm said :D Mar 11 07:03:55 * robink wants to see the GMA500 driver mess sorted out Mar 11 07:04:04 Hopefully it'll mean better PowerVR drivers all around. Mar 11 07:04:56 I'm betting binary libs will be involved in userspace Mar 11 07:05:06 That's a bummer. Mar 11 07:05:40 I guess we'll see if Intel can stromgarm them into it or not Mar 11 07:06:10 one daughter got iphone but liked to switch 5800 Mar 11 07:06:11 johnx_: If they can, do you think we'll see opensource drivers for the other variants of the PowerVR chipset as well as an effort to get a hopefully unified driver ported to ARM? Mar 11 07:06:32 I have no idea :) Mar 11 07:06:35 johnx_: Ah. Mar 11 07:06:43 I don't know who different all the PVR variants are Mar 11 07:06:55 Ahh. Mar 11 07:07:06 but some of the pandora community people have been looking at reverse engineering a pvr driver for the sgx Mar 11 07:07:12 johnx_: Neato. Mar 11 07:07:19 * johnx_ finds a link Mar 11 07:07:28 johnx_: That's the PowerVR chipset in the 3xxx? Mar 11 07:07:41 yeah Mar 11 07:14:21 just googled the sgx535 / Intel "Poulsbo" chipset. Not looking very hopeful :/ Mar 11 07:15:54 mm, think they might be doing something in xserver-xorg-video-intel Mar 11 07:18:31 Bah, I can't get Gwibber to display any status updates from Facebook or Twitter. Mar 11 07:19:40 Hell, I can't even get it to pull from RSS feeds. Mar 11 07:56:48 gOod morning Mar 11 07:57:05 hello babeh Mar 11 07:59:04 * Stskeeps ponders why Myrtti is in such a good mood today Mar 11 08:01:07 Stskeeps: it's the painkillers Mar 11 08:01:10 ah. Mar 11 08:01:36 i know the feeling though, when i wake up in the morning and my back isn't killing me, i'm in a good mood :P Mar 11 08:01:37 though... Mar 11 08:02:04 I heard yesterday at the doctors that the painkiller that is my own favorite is on prescription in UK because it causes ulcers, and kills about 100 in Finland pa. Mar 11 08:02:43 on the other hand parcetamol painkillers kill much more.. when used for suicide attempts Mar 11 08:02:50 so... I guess *cough* I should *cough* stop taking it in quadruple amounts *cough* and perhaps *cough* changing them to something else... Mar 11 08:03:03 Stskeeps: more than ketoprofen? Mar 11 08:03:15 though, paracetamol is over the counter in most countries Mar 11 08:03:27 yeah Mar 11 08:03:35 ketoprofen is too in Finland Mar 11 08:03:40 we have a large debate on it atm Mar 11 08:03:52 the doc was nice enough to give me stomach protection pills too this time Mar 11 08:04:18 so I can safely take 8 fold amount of the OTC amount... Mar 11 08:04:54 my dad used to be addicted to painkillers unintentionally, so i have a golden rule i have to be in pain for atleast 4 hours before i take a painkiller :P Mar 11 08:05:08 Stskeeps: I've been in pain for year and a half Mar 11 08:05:12 next suggestion Mar 11 08:05:29 does anyone know a good visual code merging tool? Mar 11 08:06:02 i wouldn't mind a diff tool that actually understands C ASTs, so it can merge more sanely, heh Mar 11 08:07:17 heh...I bet AI will be a by product of smart merging tools eventually :) Mar 11 08:08:16 johnx_: if you're bored at some point, Accelerando isn't a bad ebook btw Mar 11 08:08:22 comes in fbreader friendly format :P Mar 11 08:08:29 yup, read it when it first came out :) Mar 11 08:08:34 hehe, okay Mar 11 08:08:41 then read it like 4 times after that Mar 11 08:08:49 lots of interesting concepts, huh? :D Mar 11 08:09:07 yeah, plenty interesting company ideas :P Mar 11 08:09:18 it's legal to make a company like that in Maine IIRC :) Mar 11 08:09:20 think my gf (who's an economist) might get a kick out of it Mar 11 08:10:42 johnx_: that SmartQ 5 needs Mer. Mar 11 08:10:43 :P Mar 11 08:11:14 badly Mar 11 08:11:19 anyhow, i'm off to get the bus Mar 11 08:11:26 they're where we were 6 months ago :) Mar 11 08:11:26 catch, i mean Mar 11 08:11:35 yeah, i've gotta head out too Mar 11 08:12:12 hrm Mar 11 08:12:22 anyone know anything about how to build source deb packages? Mar 11 08:12:39 a little bit Mar 11 08:12:53 do you have a source tree you can build with ./configure ; make Mar 11 08:12:54 ? Mar 11 08:12:58 mm Mar 11 08:12:58 no Mar 11 08:13:25 basically, i want to push fennec beta 1 builds to extras, but there seems to be a requirement that we push source debs up as well Mar 11 08:13:37 right Mar 11 08:13:42 so you need to make .deb packaging for it? Mar 11 08:13:52 well, we have the binary stuff done Mar 11 08:13:58 for building the debs, just not sure how to do source stuff Mar 11 08:14:04 no one really knows dpkg stuff here ;/ Mar 11 08:14:26 well, how do you build fennec normally? what sequence of commands? Mar 11 08:15:39 well, in scratchbox pull a couple trees from hg, make a slightly-non-trivial, but copyable "mozconfig" (mostly just configure flags and some environment variables), and then run our build command Mar 11 08:16:05 its not super complicated, really Mar 11 08:16:27 johnx ... Mar 11 08:16:30 but does have some compiler dependancies (cs2007q3), etc Mar 11 08:16:46 pavlov: you want to push mozilla binaries, right? Mar 11 08:16:51 yes Mar 11 08:16:54 signed and whatnot Mar 11 08:16:59 Because normally if you push source debs Mar 11 08:17:07 An autobuilder makes binaries Mar 11 08:17:09 ah Mar 11 08:17:15 i'd prefer to push signed debs Mar 11 08:17:29 I think you need to talk to whomever controls that stuff Mar 11 08:17:34 Poke x-fade? Mar 11 08:17:40 X-Fade: hi! Mar 11 08:17:47 Yeah i'm well aware of what you want Mar 11 08:17:49 Pavlov, if I were you I would take the ubuntu source packages from here: https://launchpad.net/~fta/+archive/ppa Mar 11 08:17:58 then just make the maemo specific tweaks Mar 11 08:17:59 I've spoken to people from both sides Mar 11 08:18:11 Afaict what you want can't be done Mar 11 08:18:17 really? Mar 11 08:18:19 dependencies go in debian/control. adjustments to the build process go in: debian/rules. Mar 11 08:18:23 Otherwise i'd have outlined it in bmo Mar 11 08:18:26 should we just push to, uh, nonfree? Mar 11 08:18:31 (which would be dumb) Mar 11 08:18:43 That's one approach that's been mentioned, yes Mar 11 08:18:58 It isn't ideal since people will whine Mar 11 08:19:42 right Mar 11 08:19:44 But short of sidestepping the autobuilder, there isn't another way forward that satisfies your requirements Mar 11 08:19:55 ok Mar 11 08:20:00 so we can just continue to use our own repo Mar 11 08:20:04 thats fine with me too Mar 11 08:20:08 Gimme 10mins and i'll talk in person instead of typing in my overheating phone Mar 11 08:20:16 was just hoping to put stuff in extras since several people had asked Mar 11 08:20:29 * timelE61i knows Mar 11 08:20:31 so signed debs is a hard requirement? Mar 11 08:20:37 yes Mar 11 08:20:42 Err Mar 11 08:20:48 Mozilla built+signed is Mar 11 08:21:42 i thought i made that clear last time we discussed this Mar 11 08:21:47 Hey joduinn Mar 11 08:22:40 timelE61i, I was asking Pavlov, but now I'm just confused :) Mar 11 08:23:02 timelE61i hey there Mar 11 08:23:03 johnx_: its complicated ;/ ;) Mar 11 08:23:14 yay, complicated :) Mar 11 08:23:20 * joduinn baffled on what's needed, but will wait to hear more from Pavlov Mar 11 08:23:22 Johnx: i'm here, but i'm more of a mozilla person than a nokia/maemo person Mar 11 08:23:35 ah, I always forget that Mar 11 08:23:47 Nokia just pays the bills Mar 11 08:23:52 so, if a 3rd party made unofficial source packages they could go in extras? :) Mar 11 08:24:18 I'd get them kicked out Mar 11 08:24:21 But ... Mar 11 08:24:27 :) Mar 11 08:24:34 ouch, that's kind harsh Mar 11 08:25:53 joduinn: basically short of someone cheating server-side or pushing to non-free, what you want isn't possible today Mar 11 08:26:24 If it was, i'd have explained how to do it in bmo last week Mar 11 08:26:56 ah, right. I'd (hypothetically) have to call it something besides fennec, and remove all branding, correct? Mar 11 08:26:58 signing resulting debs or? Mar 11 08:27:15 timelE61i yeah, its ok, I'm not looking to have someone cheat behind the curtains as a quick fix(!) ... mostly trying to clarify exactly what we are expecting to hand over to maemo. Mar 11 08:27:27 mozilla built+signed debs Mar 11 08:27:35 as you can imagine, that changes what we in RelEng have to do Mar 11 08:27:37 Not autobuilder built+signed Mar 11 08:27:58 ah Mar 11 08:28:17 yeah, non-free Mar 11 08:28:18 Well. If you're willing to compromise on who does building+signing Mar 11 08:28:24 It's doable Mar 11 08:28:45 can you ensure that the build machines are set up properly for what we need to do? Mar 11 08:28:49 right compiler, etc/ Mar 11 08:31:17 lo wazd Mar 11 08:32:47 wonder why some pages ruin microb quite soon, and others play just fine, what features makes browserd mad? Mar 11 08:33:05 ten bucks on flash Mar 11 08:34:03 hey everybody Mar 11 08:34:09 RST38h: ping?) Mar 11 08:34:09 but youtube seems to work Mar 11 08:34:34 hahlo, youtube is well behaved Mar 11 08:34:54 is there flashblock for microb? Mar 11 08:35:11 RST38h: http://s43.radikal.ru/i102/0903/3c/0de04ca55c6c.png Mar 11 08:37:10 just turn off flash by clicking the magnifier, components Mar 11 08:37:30 you can do that? Mar 11 08:37:44 neat! Mar 11 08:37:48 turn it on when you see a box you want Mar 11 08:38:25 * Myrtti whacks her head on the keyboard Mar 11 08:39:32 * aquatix pats Myrtti Mar 11 08:39:37 'sup? Mar 11 08:40:42 Pavlov: The autobuilder has everything the regular SDK has. Mar 11 08:41:02 X-Fade: ok, so the old compiler Mar 11 08:41:13 unfortunate ;/ Mar 11 08:41:13 Pavlov: So if it builds in the regular scratchbox SDK, it should build on autobuilder just fine. Mar 11 08:41:31 Pavlov: Unless you build for Fremantle ;) Mar 11 08:41:34 yeah, we don't build with cs2005-whatever. it generates duplicate asm labels Mar 11 08:41:49 we've been using cs2007q3 for the last year or so, since it was the most stable thing we could find Mar 11 08:42:06 Pavlov: That is the one used for Fremantle Mar 11 08:42:47 But Fremantle targets arm7. Mar 11 08:44:40 X-Fade: what would you suggest? Mar 11 08:45:04 Is there any way to update browser engenee in diablo to recent gecko versions? Mar 11 08:47:25 Pavlov: We could special case this. And allow you to upload binary + source packages to a special queue. The whole idea behind the autobuilder was to ensure we always had source available and the package at least builds.. Mar 11 08:47:43 ok Mar 11 08:48:10 Pavlov: It would be nice to see if it builds for Fremanlte though ;) Mar 11 08:48:21 *Fremantle Mar 11 08:48:48 it does Mar 11 08:49:00 Pavlov: On the autobuilder ;) Mar 11 08:49:34 ah, yeah, well, we don't actually have source debs ;) Mar 11 08:49:50 Stskeeps: is it safe to dist-upgrade Mer 0.9 now? Mar 11 08:50:03 Pavlov: How do you generate your packages? Mar 11 08:50:21 X-Fade: we have a make deb step we can run at the end, and then manual signing Mar 11 08:51:07 Pavlov: Ah, so no dpkg-buildpackage etc? Mar 11 08:51:17 yeah Mar 11 08:51:56 Because you don't like doing debian packaging or are there other reasons? :) Mar 11 08:52:12 well, we've never built them before Mar 11 08:52:42 Pavlov: But you would accept patches? Mar 11 08:53:05 probably, i'm not sure where they would go exactly.. Mar 11 08:53:06 if it doesn't make things messy Mar 11 08:53:19 but i'm sure someone else might Mar 11 08:53:26 * X-Fade looks at Jeremiah? Mar 11 08:53:44 Hmm not here.. Mar 11 09:04:58 disabling flash really seems to help Mar 11 09:09:54 * RST38h yawns widely Mar 11 09:10:08 * aquatix yawns along Mar 11 09:10:28 aquatix.apply(coffee); Mar 11 09:23:18 RST38h: moo Mar 11 09:23:39 RST38h: http://s43.radikal.ru/i102/0903/3c/0de04ca55c6c.png Mar 11 09:26:36 "A test revealed the shirt to be edible, wearable, and with a taste similar to bacon." Mar 11 09:26:39 wazd: ! Mar 11 09:28:06 wazd: Too bland, if you ask me. It does not have to resemble an LCD, you can put any icons you want there Mar 11 09:28:24 wazd: As not all buttons are used, you can put the product name and our names in the middle, too Mar 11 09:29:47 "These creatures, although cute and endearing, were apparently to be eaten alive. The research subject refused, and Dr. Rights promptly shoved three in her mouth at once." Mar 11 09:41:09 hi Mar 11 09:48:01 RST38h: buh? Mar 11 09:50:33 is there anyone other than lardman(gone) with N810 dsp toolchains knowledge ? Mar 11 09:51:19 good morning Mar 11 09:55:29 Stskeeps & co: aims Mer to be a Fremantle community edition or something different/else? Mar 11 09:55:33 I'm asking because Mar 11 09:55:46 of http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=27420 Mar 11 09:56:35 t3odor I read yesterday in the manual Mar 11 09:56:36 One possibility could be to have Mer directly under OS/Platform, under the same level than e.g. Maemo 5 and OS2008, and out of the Alternatives Mar 11 09:57:02 but having "Mer" alone listed might be surprising / confusing for many users Mar 11 09:57:26 t3odor maybee I can answer a little bit Mar 11 09:57:44 so this is why I was thinking about having it listed as "Mer / Fremantle community edition" Mar 11 09:57:51 or be a subforum of Maemo 5... Mar 11 09:57:58 dunno Mar 11 09:58:04 ok woglinde and hi lardman. we exchanged some mails about N810 dsp yesterday.. Mar 11 09:58:40 t3odor hm is the n810 the same as in n800? Mar 11 09:59:23 hm compiler is the same from what I read Mar 11 10:00:07 woglinde: I'm trying to deal with with latest compiler package, which seems to cause problems Mar 11 10:00:07 qgil: I think "Mer / Fremantle community edition" would be a good idea. Mar 11 10:00:28 hello! Mar 11 10:00:29 t3odor oh okay I didnt try the compiler yet Mar 11 10:00:33 hi x-fade Mar 11 10:00:37 hi jeremiah Mar 11 10:00:46 hello woglinde Mar 11 10:00:47 Mer is probably different enough so people won't recognize is as Fremantle. Mar 11 10:02:01 And I think that Mer users will be more of the technical type than typical end-users. (For now at least) Mar 11 10:02:55 hi woglinde, everything ok? Mar 11 10:03:05 x-fade hehe yes Mar 11 10:03:21 x-fade in the near future I have to ask you a favour Mar 11 10:03:32 woglinde: as the LinuxDSPTools 1.0 is no longer available as used by lardman when he wroted those wiki pages - it seems to take some time to get in action with currently available packages Mar 11 10:03:40 woglinde: Sure, I'm here.. Mar 11 10:03:50 to solve the hen/egg problem for openjdk Mar 11 10:04:11 woglinde: Bootstrap problem? Mar 11 10:04:32 x-fade you need a working javacompiler for openjdk Mar 11 10:04:59 woglinde: Ah, so we need to get that one in extras-devel first? Mar 11 10:05:15 nope the way we build the stuff in oe isnt working in scratchbox Mar 11 10:05:44 so the solutions mightbe install the .deb we generate with oe without sources Mar 11 10:05:58 and then build the openjdk again in scratchbox with sources Mar 11 10:06:07 X-Fade: as long as Mer keeps trying being API compatible with Maemo 5... Mar 11 10:06:33 i wonder where i can find a gcc compiler for my nokia N810 ? Mar 11 10:06:33 qgil: I think that is the plan. ;) Mar 11 10:06:59 nameless in maemo-sdk Mar 11 10:07:17 and yes there are some freaks which compile stuff native on the n810 Mar 11 10:07:25 Extras Mar 11 10:07:33 native version is in Extras I think Mar 11 10:08:00 woglinde: Well, just adding that deb to extras-devel and then use it as a Build-depend for openjdk can work.. Mar 11 10:08:03 there are even some guys who wants a javac native Mar 11 10:08:08 Hey all. I've compiled the manaworld for my n810 and I recompiled SDL with vorbis support. So now I have the game up and running with music, but I can't seem to get the soundeffects to erm, sound. Does anyone have any experience with this? Mar 11 10:08:44 woglinde: Yeah, a javac might not be such a bad idea. Mar 11 10:08:56 woglinde: Build-depends get installed in the sdk environment before complication of your package. Mar 11 10:09:06 jeremiah wahahahhaa Mar 11 10:09:33 x-fade hm can I upload binary only deb to the repos? Mar 11 10:09:34 having java would bring a lot of apps and devs Mar 11 10:09:48 jeremiah we are working on it Mar 11 10:09:54 woglinde: No, but I can do that for you.. Mar 11 10:10:00 ;) Mar 11 10:10:19 woglinde: We would just remove the deb again after openjdk is in.. Mar 11 10:10:28 jeremiah you are aware of jalimo.org? Mar 11 10:10:34 x-fade right Mar 11 10:10:36 Not yet Mar 11 10:10:38 :) Mar 11 10:12:00 w00t, jalimo looks cool Mar 11 10:12:15 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=270530&postcount=1 updated Mar 11 10:12:22 qgil: well, it's not a strict fremantle backport so it comes down to if we define Fremantle as fremantle apis, and fremantle ce might imply it is fremantle with very little community sw to just get things running../ Mar 11 10:13:19 jeremiah_ unfornatly swtspeed is very low Mar 11 10:13:25 mer is a strange creature:) Mar 11 10:17:48 Community Hacker OS? ;) Mar 11 10:21:25 but anyway, we do plan to stay fremantle api compatible. Mar 11 10:24:27 Although if lots of fremantle apps start using Clutter or OpenGL ES APIs, there'll be a problem Mar 11 10:25:30 yeah, well Mar 11 10:25:51 mesa, gl on mer devices that support it Mar 11 10:26:05 yeah Mar 11 10:27:08 i mean, i still want mer on the planning-to-buy rx-51 Mar 11 10:28:04 Is mer coming to iphone also? Mar 11 10:28:35 Most definitely! Mar 11 10:28:39 ;) Mar 11 10:28:50 Cool Mar 11 10:29:20 if they get kernel, sd, touchscreen, etc.. Mar 11 10:29:25 on linux Mar 11 10:29:55 ...and if Apple approvies Mer for their app store... Mar 11 10:29:58 * RST38h hides now Mar 11 10:30:00 hehe Mar 11 10:32:00 Hardware ain't so bad in iphone i think Mar 11 10:37:06 RST38h: you could view pron with mer, so it's out ":D". Mar 11 10:39:37 ah, thats why they don't have flash Mar 11 10:39:57 the huge amount of steamy streaming sites Mar 11 10:58:35 Stskeeps: if users can install Maemo 5 apps on top of Mer, the it looks to me as a shameless Fremantle Community Edition, yes :) Mar 11 10:59:12 ah, you are in StsN800 Mar 11 11:29:19 RST38h: well, I have another idea Mar 11 11:29:40 RST38h: to make stylized button array Mar 11 11:34:11 wazd, hwy not give a tile of actual images, i wouldnt know my 83 from my 91 and would just click randomly. but i know damned well what my calculator looked like Mar 11 11:34:16 why^ Mar 11 11:35:31 maybe the thumbnails will be too small to distuingish easily? Mar 11 11:35:50 jesus, bright sunlight, n800, screen protector , and roses in reflective material covering roses doesn't match Mar 11 11:35:54 lcuk: even 160x160 thumbnail will be very small Mar 11 11:36:02 yeah, but theres gotta be a better way to show them than just using the model numbers Mar 11 11:36:27 StsN800: sensory overload? Mar 11 11:36:32 do what porn sites do :D show a zoomed in headshot thumbnail :D Mar 11 11:36:43 lol Mar 11 11:36:54 qgil: StsN800 it won't be a shameless Fremantle community edition until Hildonised Qt4.5 and the like are working....... oh wait http://shopper.garage.maemo.org/Shopper-Mer.png Mar 11 11:40:02 qt ftw! Mar 11 11:42:55 wazd: yes? Mar 11 11:42:58 lbt: neat! Mar 11 11:43:04 * RST38h is back from lunch Mar 11 11:43:57 StsN800: now - how do I get it into a cross-compiler and onto my tablet... there are bugs and I want to make sure we get any hildonisation problems sorted... Mar 11 11:45:07 rather hard to type atm. home in 30 mins Mar 11 11:45:13 NP Mar 11 11:46:15 did you manage a straight compile? Mar 11 11:46:56 fully packaged and dpkg -i Mar 11 11:47:19 lbt, thatÅ› made of pure awesome Mar 11 11:47:27 and shopper built as a dpkg-buildpackage Mar 11 11:47:32 as a test app :) Mar 11 11:47:39 heh - all gnuton :) Mar 11 11:47:54 yeah gnuton rockz Mar 11 11:47:55 fully dpkg-buildpackageable? Mar 11 11:48:01 I found some tiny bugs in ./configure and that's it Mar 11 11:48:08 StsN800: yes Mar 11 11:48:36 lbt hehe then I read you email Mar 11 11:48:37 No, I didn't install the ubuntu one by mistake Mar 11 11:48:44 and you can lart the qt-devs Mar 11 11:48:51 I think so... Mar 11 11:49:41 RST38h: maybe you can make a flag to load chosen calculator by default? Mar 11 11:53:49 lbt, lets send it through builder then. i just wonder about vfp vs no vfp Mar 11 11:54:27 wazd: I have it already Mar 11 11:54:37 RST38h: cool) Mar 11 11:54:42 wazd: The menu only pops up when FullScreen button is pressed Mar 11 11:54:54 will that affect 770? Mar 11 11:54:54 wazd: need to have one icon per calc model, one icon for reset and one for exit Mar 11 11:56:48 lbt, how does it detect hildon btw? Mar 11 11:57:06 ./configure ... -hildon Mar 11 11:57:17 ah Mar 11 11:57:23 yes Mar 11 11:57:48 wasn't someone muttering about doing it dynamically Mar 11 11:57:49 lbt, yeah the 770 doesn't do vfp and also other potential targets for mer might not have a vfp or fpu Mar 11 11:57:53 * RST38h has seen a good if somewhat abstract example of the icons but can no longer locate it Mar 11 11:57:55 searching Mar 11 11:58:01 and vfp? deb build options? Mar 11 11:58:29 well, I just used gnuton's - and of course I'm running x86 Mar 11 11:58:41 k Mar 11 11:58:57 summary : dpkg-buildpackage; dpk -i ../*.deb Mar 11 11:59:01 that easy Mar 11 11:59:33 once you patch configure, some post-inst stuff and other things I have noted down Mar 11 11:59:40 that is quite awesome. How long did the build take? Mar 11 11:59:56 overnight, lemme see the timestamps Mar 11 12:00:24 ah, no worries Mar 11 12:00:28 just curious :) Mar 11 12:00:35 finished at 03:54 so approx 3.5 hrs Mar 11 12:00:53 hey, not bad at all Mar 11 12:01:10 that's inside a virtualbox VM with a file-based disk Mar 11 12:01:18 hopefully we'll be able to build it in scratchbox for arm :) Mar 11 12:01:39 yes - I wasn't sure where Mer's ARM build env was up to... Mar 11 12:01:42 sbox2? Mar 11 12:02:45 oh - kind of thing that need fixing http://shopper.garage.maemo.org/Qt45-fileDialog.png Mar 11 12:08:21 lbt, still on scratchbox 1. There's some nice instructions on the mer wiki or google mer sdk. I can't seem to copy and paste from Tear right now (on the n800) Mar 11 12:08:34 * johnx heads back to work Mar 11 12:14:35 lbt: anyhow, grab me a fairly clean dpkg-buildpackage -S -us -uc Mar 11 12:14:45 preferably without any .svn or .git or .bzr or whatever :P Mar 11 12:15:00 -I .svn ?? Mar 11 12:15:27 yeah, if that exists :P Mar 11 12:15:34 i usually just svn export the tree Mar 11 12:16:12 I do git archive --format=tar --prefix=shopper-$TAG/ $TAG | (cd ../tmp/ && tar xf -) Mar 11 12:16:18 wazd: Finally found ONE icon sample: http://www.geocities.com/siliconvalley/heights/8272/icon92.gif Mar 11 12:16:27 svn hurts my head Mar 11 12:16:36 wazd: pretty abstract and simplistic, I know =( Mar 11 12:16:53 it's a roadsign... Mar 11 12:18:41 lbt: btw, just for formalities sake while i add your repository upload, could you do the "Get Involved" part of http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/People ? it's just so we can keep track of who's actually interested to help out :) Mar 11 12:20:16 of course Mar 11 12:29:54 hmm Mar 11 12:29:56 http://linuxdevices.com/news/NS9091358794.html Mar 11 12:30:32 damnit, so many nice gadgets :( Mar 11 12:31:18 eink seems pointless to me as a general computing solution until they can make the redraws not suck. Mar 11 12:31:35 Animated gifs, for instance, wont be much fun. Mar 11 12:31:49 as general computing solution, yes Mar 11 12:31:58 animated gifs suck anyway :) Mar 11 12:32:38 still, ARM-based eink with microsd.. Mar 11 12:32:44 Stskeeps, and there aint a whole lot of point to using Linux for just ebooks. Mar 11 12:34:06 GAN: You can't make that with eink Mar 11 12:34:23 GAN: The whole thing is essentially mechanical, it does not change fast Mar 11 12:34:34 GAN800: still, i wouldn't mind a small bunch of thin displays Mar 11 12:34:41 with network connectivity Mar 11 12:35:19 RST38h, obviously at the moment, no, but that doesn't preclude future technological improvements. Mar 11 12:35:49 Stskeeps, sounds great for $$$$. :P Mar 11 12:36:28 GAN800: i have a fetish for ubiquitous computing. Mar 11 12:36:28 :P Mar 11 12:36:45 you should see my plans for me and the fiancées apartment Mar 11 12:37:10 Lets just install a chip in the back of your skull and be done with it then. Mar 11 12:37:21 i'd go for that in a heartbeat. Mar 11 12:37:21 :P Mar 11 12:38:18 So far my sister has driven my mother's new Miata more than my mother. Mar 11 12:38:53 Awfully convenient that her cars goes to the shop right after it was purchased. . . . Mar 11 12:43:17 GAN800, I expect that Pixel Qi's technology will put a serious dent in E-Ink's uptake for ebooks.. sunlight readable B&W, plus a normal colour mode.. and higher res than E-Ink, to boot! Mar 11 12:46:25 GAN: Won't be called eink most likely Mar 11 12:46:49 rmt: Have they released any products? Mar 11 12:47:36 rmt_, olpc uses similar screen does it not. eink wins over any lcd tech at present due to the fact it only consumes power when updating Mar 11 12:47:42 ie the battery life can be stunning Mar 11 13:04:35 * lardman feels happy he's finished dealing with VB for the day Mar 11 13:05:11 * lcuk has another 4.5 hours of it Mar 11 13:05:53 * lardman wonders if lcuk has made a stepper motor stage raster scan, laser pulse heat and record thermal images, today ;) Mar 11 13:06:18 I wouldn't blame you if you've not mind you Mar 11 13:07:32 no lol - ive been documenting actually. i hope to god you mounted that weapon on a shark Mar 11 13:07:57 :) Mar 11 13:07:59 i have a computer controllable usb nerfgun turret Mar 11 13:08:06 shark with welding laser, hmm :) Mar 11 13:08:39 yes next step would be to have the laser automatically move backwards and forwards, all under the control of MATLAB Mar 11 13:09:19 lcuk: hm, i have a regular Maverick Mar 11 13:09:25 no, in the spec you give, make sure its controllable by holding up various QR code flashcards. that way you get to play all day creating the highly important control mechanism Mar 11 13:09:38 lol, yeah Mar 11 13:09:46 lcuk, huhu Mar 11 13:10:08 lardman, I'm (hopefully) going to have to start shunning you next week. :P Mar 11 13:10:10 lcuk, Yes, and then iRex comes along, uses eInk with a power wasting CPU setup. :-P Mar 11 13:10:29 i want to use a barcode as an input device :$ when i was playing i kept wondering what it would be like to dismiss and adjust dialogs and ui by just waving a barcode at it (simply for orientation) Mar 11 13:10:38 GAN800: more than already!? At least I can quite happily not write blog articles now ;) Mar 11 13:10:55 when is the election btw? Mar 11 13:11:10 Stskeeps, tomorrow Mar 11 13:11:13 oh Mar 11 13:11:15 no idea, but nominations have to be in by end of today I think Mar 11 13:11:21 midnight Mar 11 13:11:26 GMT Mar 11 13:11:43 damnit, now i have to decide who i like as 2 3 4 etc :P Mar 11 13:11:44 which is still midnight, me forgets what timezone he's in Mar 11 13:12:18 anyone leaving their nomination to last minute isnt helping their case really Mar 11 13:12:18 lcuk, I get the feeling that most geeks are unimpressed by Ebook/eInk tech when they have it in their hands.. doesn't mean that consumers won't lap it up, of course.. Pixel Qi is very low power.. and, like the OLPC, the machine could all but shut down when the screen is static. Mar 11 13:12:46 lbt: and could you prod me your email (i assume you're not on jaiku?) Mar 11 13:13:03 Does jaiku have invitation codes? Mar 11 13:13:25 rmt_: i had odd experience with not getting a code when i joined when they claimed they had Mar 11 13:16:11 I think I'd like a smart phone with a fold/roll out low power/eink type screen for reading. :-P I guess a USB device for android could also do the trick.. but not quite as portable.. Mar 11 13:16:49 Hmm.. bluetooth rendered eink display. :-P Mar 11 13:16:52 rmt_, ive heard a bit about rollout screens and transforming systems - can you really see people doing that on the bus? the form factor we use now works Mar 11 13:17:15 * lcuk sits on bus Mar 11 13:17:21 * lcuk rolls out 24inch display Mar 11 13:17:26 * lcuk goes to pron site Mar 11 13:18:09 I don't.. but I think a small paperback sized sheet would do well.. interface that with the phone in your pocket (would bt be fast enough?) for processing... Mar 11 13:18:34 Android Accessories. I could imagine it in the future. :-) Mar 11 13:19:02 the problem is the more complex you make the tech and the more hinges and flexy bits you put in the more faults you get Mar 11 13:19:13 Hello, is there some doc I can read about pros and cons of upgrade my 770 to os2008he? Mar 11 13:19:56 Henry_Bean: I just reflashed mine to OS2007HE2 Mar 11 13:20:19 Myrtti: do you recommend os2007 over os2008 for the 770? Mar 11 13:20:36 I had it on OS2008HE for a while, but it kept crashing so badly it made baby kittens cry Mar 11 13:20:50 of course, someone might have different experiences Mar 11 13:21:06 but I couldn't justify using it over 2007HE2 Mar 11 13:22:02 OS2008 has to have swap enabled. Mar 11 13:22:17 GeneralAntilles: I had it enabled... Mar 11 13:23:13 cool... I'll try os2008 to see it crash :) Mar 11 13:23:29 http://www.teleread.org/2007/10/18/vista-linked-wireless-e-ink-e-reader-due-in-november-hint-of-other-better-possibilities/ .. similar idea Mar 11 13:23:49 I wonder why some people seem to have a subforum fetish. Mar 11 13:23:58 hmm. Mar 11 13:24:08 lardman: any way to see if something is built with thumb? Mar 11 13:26:05 i have a sneaking suspicion mer in many cases isn't built with thumb.. Mar 11 13:26:31 Stskeeps: use file? Mar 11 13:27:10 nah, /rootstraps-cvm/mer-images-v0.9/mer-770-fs-only-image/usr/bin/hildon-desktop.launch: ELF 32-bit LSB shared object, ARM, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.14, stripped Mar 11 13:28:19 bbl Mar 11 13:28:24 GeneralAntilles: people may only want to monitor areas of the forum of interest, rather than filtering through /all/ new posts like what we do Mar 11 13:29:24 * Stskeeps usually just uses 'new posts' Mar 11 13:29:24 :P Mar 11 13:29:44 lol!! Mar 11 13:29:49 you know it has to be alabama Mar 11 13:30:27 where a guy goes on a 10 people murder spree at a gas station.. and the only survivor is the guy who says, "his gun jammed so it gave me a moment to run behind a gas pump." Mar 11 13:31:49 argh, the problem with doing dev work on the n800 is I always forget to charge the n810 to use at work Mar 11 13:32:32 Macer: dense gas? Mar 11 13:32:44 gas pump Mar 11 13:33:02 Macer: they want you to say "petrol". Mar 11 13:33:10 Evil brits Mar 11 13:33:18 :) Mar 11 13:33:41 I didn't mean that actually, I was wondering why the chap didn't shoot though the pump Mar 11 13:33:52 but yes, saying petrol is of course better ;) Mar 11 13:34:09 lardman: didn't see his target, maybe those alabamians only shoot at moving targets... Mar 11 13:34:30 like dinosaurs you reckon? Mar 11 13:34:34 Vision based on movement Mar 11 13:34:38 snap :-) Mar 11 13:34:45 no point in going on a killing spree if there's no challenge to it Mar 11 13:34:47 although that's disproved isn't it, lower life form anyway Mar 11 13:34:49 * RST38h has now switched from DailyRotten to CSP, real crap can't compare to imaginary one Mar 11 13:34:53 "stationary targe Mar 11 13:34:59 *target? boring!" Mar 11 13:35:04 i'm surprised people there didn't have ccw's and shoot back Mar 11 13:35:05 stupid fingers :( Mar 11 13:35:17 RST38h: haha Mar 11 13:35:21 Pavlov: Americans do not shoot back Mar 11 13:35:22 * Jaffa ponders getting out of bed Mar 11 13:35:24 doc|work: surely shooting through a petrol/gas pump, killing chap on other side, not destroying self is a reasonable challenge? Mar 11 13:35:29 RST38h: that is so not true Mar 11 13:35:32 Pavlov: Some will try to persuade you otherwise but it doesn't happen =) Mar 11 13:35:38 lardman: any idea how to check if a binary has thumb instructions? :P Mar 11 13:35:42 dense gas? :) Mar 11 13:35:48 lardman: I said the like a challenge, not they're suicidal :) Mar 11 13:35:52 goddamn euros Mar 11 13:36:03 Stskeeps: ELF headers, perhaps? Mar 11 13:36:18 Jaffa: yeah, but can't seem to find them Mar 11 13:36:28 objdump? Mar 11 13:36:41 yeah, been there Mar 11 13:36:46 Ah Mar 11 13:39:32 Macer: I'm not European, I'm English! Mar 11 13:39:51 or were you moaning about the exchange rate? In which case I'll join in :) Mar 11 13:40:56 Stop quarreling, just bomb something Mar 11 13:41:38 No, no, that's the US approach. Mar 11 13:41:42 ah, no wonder mer runs crap on the 770 Mar 11 13:41:56 derf: I think he was saying bomb something and hit it Mar 11 13:42:12 Stskeeps: cracked it? Mar 11 13:42:33 anyway, enough cross-Atlantic banter Mar 11 13:42:40 Jaffa: readelf -a Mar 11 13:42:45 Jaffa: no thumb in our usual builds Mar 11 13:42:47 I have to concentrate on not spilling tomato soup on my nice white shirt Mar 11 13:42:55 it takes up too much memory Mar 11 13:44:23 or not.. wtf Mar 11 13:44:54 lardman: England isn't in europe? :) Mar 11 13:45:23 it's ok. we call ourselves "Americans" when there are tons of countries in north and south america Mar 11 13:45:50 Macer: definitely no Mar 11 13:45:52 ;) Mar 11 13:45:59 o_O Mar 11 13:46:02 i guess united statesians would be too much to say Mar 11 13:46:06 European separatists alert! Mar 11 13:46:27 The UK has a thing against joining Europe, and for at least some good reasons Mar 11 13:46:35 nice to see that the IRA is still killing people Mar 11 13:46:38 Macer: Just use the word "masters", it is shorter and more flattering Mar 11 13:46:44 RST38h: haha Mar 11 13:46:58 Macer: different IRA, two in fact Mar 11 13:47:09 Macer: yeah, nice that the US has stopped funding them at last though ;) Mar 11 13:47:09 doc: Like Web 2.0? Mar 11 13:47:16 i know right. from now on RST38h when people ask where i'm from i'm goign to say "I'm a Master." Mar 11 13:47:27 lardman: no we didn't. we just said we did Mar 11 13:47:37 lardman, best reason would be to save the rest of the europe from the crazy shit UK is constantly pressing through. Mar 11 13:47:44 Macer: the continuity IRA and the Real IRA, two splinter groups, separate from the initial Provisional IRA who agreed to a ceasefire and disarmament Mar 11 13:47:51 they are still well funded by us :) we like keeping rebellion going in countries that don't concern us Mar 11 13:47:52 Juhaz: yeah well Brown is a lost cause Mar 11 13:48:07 RST38h: like Web 2.0, only this AJAX will keeeeelll yooouu! Mar 11 13:48:13 helps us make up for that whole revolution thing Mar 11 13:48:23 Macer: if only that didn't ring so true! :p Mar 11 13:48:29 lol Mar 11 13:48:54 we really are a rotten country :) Mar 11 13:49:12 but so much fun! Mar 11 13:49:18 just because we seem nice doesn't mean we aren't worse than hitler run Germany Mar 11 13:49:23 better without Bush though, at least to everyone else in the world Mar 11 13:49:40 lardman: what has changed since Obama came into office? Mar 11 13:49:46 doc|work: no more gitmo! Mar 11 13:49:51 Macer: it's still there Mar 11 13:50:06 yeah but now we can pretend like bad things don't happen there a little better Mar 11 13:50:10 Macer: and there are still thousands of others held in secret prisons elsewhere in the world Mar 11 13:50:29 heh Mar 11 13:50:29 doc|work: i know.. gitmo was like the area 51 of military prisons :) Mar 11 13:50:35 doc|work: no more Bush Mar 11 13:50:39 everyone can see that one so they don't complain about the other ones Mar 11 13:50:44 Macer: hah Mar 11 13:50:54 lardman: meh, different puppet, same puppet masters Mar 11 13:50:56 same end result Mar 11 13:51:02 doc|work: Scientists can be listened to, FSM may not have to be introduced to Biology classes, etc Mar 11 13:51:20 hey... obama is opening up stem cell research Mar 11 13:51:25 have to give him that much at least Mar 11 13:51:26 lardman: unless those scientists are people who have any clue about economics? Mar 11 13:51:29 lardman, is bug 3418 "testable" in Fremantle alpha? (might have asked this before, if so sorry) Mar 11 13:51:43 and IIRC obama is also closing secret prisons Mar 11 13:51:48 hang on let me have a look see Mar 11 13:52:00 which we of course cannot verify since those are secret in the first place... Mar 11 13:52:14 andre__: get me a device and I'll let you know... ;) Mar 11 13:52:25 heh. damn, ok :) Mar 11 13:52:30 and no, different communications between ARM and DSP Mar 11 13:52:34 americans honestly could care less about torture of non-americans Mar 11 13:52:39 wiza: I wouldn't be holding my breath given he said he was going to end the war in Iraq, which apparently means leaving 50,000 troops in iraq by the end of his first term, while moving some of the rest to afghanistan. It's Silly. Mar 11 13:52:57 * doc|work heads to work Mar 11 13:53:01 hmmm Mar 11 13:53:06 doc: It is not possible to withdraw them all at once Mar 11 13:53:16 So, give him at least a year or so. Mar 11 13:53:21 Then judge. Mar 11 13:53:21 RST38h: it takes months at the most Mar 11 13:53:22 RST38h: sure it is.. see how well that worked in vietnam? Mar 11 13:53:36 Macer: Vietnamese HELPED that time =) Mar 11 13:53:42 yeah, well, if I did my work like USA handled war in afghanistan, clients would be pissed... Mar 11 13:53:45 haha Mar 11 13:53:51 kicking someone in the ass as they leave generally does :) Mar 11 13:54:03 wiza: Would they be alive to be pissed though? Mar 11 13:54:28 wiza: my clients wouldn't have given me money to go into afghanistan or iraq in the first place. It's the beauty of taxation. You spend it how you like and demand more when you want it :) Mar 11 13:54:33 lardman, then it's probably WONTFIX for diablo, to be honest. very low priority for Nokia :-/ Mar 11 13:54:34 RST38h: problem is that USA didn't finish the fight Mar 11 13:54:39 i think one of hte best vietnam movies ever made was we were soldiers because it showed the other side Mar 11 13:54:47 that war was justified, Iraq, not so much Mar 11 13:54:53 the communists weren't "bad" or "evil" Mar 11 13:55:05 wiza: doesn't matter.. people forget it was a legal war Mar 11 13:55:06 wiza: there is no way to "finish" this fight, neither in Iraq nor in Afghanistan Mar 11 13:55:09 congress voted on it :) Mar 11 13:55:17 wiza: it can't be won. No foreign army has ever held afghanistan. The russians couldn't do it with 640,000 troops. The rest of us won't with less than 100,000 Mar 11 13:55:23 wiza: to avoid grossly offtopic discussion I would prefer not to elaborate Mar 11 13:55:34 where did all the flags go? after 9/11 and the iraqi invasion you couldn't buy a US flag here Mar 11 13:55:35 anyway Mar 11 13:55:40 * doc|home goes to work Mar 11 13:55:42 wiza: let us just say that thesre is no end-game situation in these wars Mar 11 13:56:02 Macer: Obama bought them all and uses them for the toilet paper Mar 11 13:56:14 RST38h: yeah, but ousting taleban could've been done better Mar 11 13:56:30 andre__: I've added a comment to the effect that that patch has nothing to do with it Mar 11 13:56:33 RST38h: i think it's great that he is always going to events dressed in $10,000 suits while his wife is dressed in a $15,000 dress wearing $30,000 worth of jewels Mar 11 13:56:35 Macer: He even had to give up the bidet which is a traditional Muslim way to wipe Mar 11 13:56:41 then talking about how he is going ot help the average american :) Mar 11 13:56:53 how about start by selling some of your wife's diamonds Mar 11 13:56:58 thanks Mar 11 13:57:00 Macer: Ah sorry, s/Obama/Osama Mar 11 13:57:07 see what one little typo does? Mar 11 13:57:19 Macer: and you split that 30000 for 300 million americans... Mar 11 13:57:19 hahahaha Mar 11 13:57:44 RST38h: No way! *Everything* could be ended nicely. Mar 11 13:57:48 We have the nukes -- all we lack is the willpower. Mar 11 13:57:52 :P Mar 11 13:58:00 benson: but then all the other countries get all pissy Mar 11 13:58:06 * benson pokes the hornet's nest and runs. Mar 11 13:58:07 war by definition is not "nice" Mar 11 13:58:12 i bet they would all just condemn it for a week or so then not care Mar 11 13:58:12 benson: Yes, but nukes were not an acceptable move politically Mar 11 13:58:18 Macer: we have nukes for them, too! Mar 11 13:58:26 benson: can't nuke everybody Mar 11 13:58:31 benson: Besides, there are certain doubts about nukes being effective in a place like .AF Mar 11 13:58:35 who is going ot make our cheap asian goods when china gets pissed? Mar 11 13:58:40 it however can most of the time achieve the objective Mar 11 13:58:44 Macer: We've spent a few billion building him a new helicopter to fly around in, and it doesn't even work yet. Mar 11 13:58:48 * benson wonders what all this had to do wih Maemo, anyway. Mar 11 13:58:57 $30,00 on jewels is small potatos. Mar 11 13:59:13 Macer: We can build machines to do that, and give them a networked AI! Mar 11 13:59:17 wiza: Nukes were only used twice, in a very special situation, and there are still arguments whether using them helped Mar 11 13:59:26 So they can finish the nuking for/on us! Mar 11 13:59:31 derf: yes but you have to admit. when the entire nation is struggling you don't want to see a person advocating making things better strolling out looking like there is no end in sight to the amount of money he can spend on himself Mar 11 13:59:34 benson: since it would be stupid to create #people-on-maemo-speaking-other-stuff Mar 11 13:59:43 so, have you people had your daily bacon? Mar 11 13:59:43 :P Mar 11 13:59:58 seems hypocritical Mar 11 14:00:02 :( No. Mar 11 14:00:04 RST38h: maybe because collateral damage was too great? Mar 11 14:00:19 * benson fires up the nuke-skillet for some glowy-bacon! Mar 11 14:00:25 wiza: Note that I am not against turning middle east into a huge glass bowl, but I doubt all the hype Mar 11 14:00:31 anyways!.. how is Mer going? :) Mar 11 14:00:53 Macer: http://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/mer-ui-implemented.png Mar 11 14:00:55 forward Mar 11 14:01:10 wiza: Screw the collateral damage, consider how many towelheads you are going to miss and how quickly they breed Mar 11 14:01:21 made an icon for the menu i see Mar 11 14:01:26 what's with the top menu thing you have going on? Mar 11 14:01:33 moving it away from the side or something? Mar 11 14:01:34 wiza: Add to that the large masses of irradiated sand Mar 11 14:01:35 yeah Mar 11 14:01:40 RST38h: there are assholes in all races :D Mar 11 14:02:06 hm. you're going to lose a little space moving that to the top aren't you? Mar 11 14:02:07 RST38h: but, if you shoot their father, those kids are coming after you(somewhat justified too...) Mar 11 14:02:40 might need to make it a little thinner don't you think? :) Mar 11 14:02:50 wiza: That is why any sane occupying force will strive to kill all the males Mar 11 14:02:56 Macer: it's 52 pixels Mar 11 14:03:02 it's better than a fat bar on the size Mar 11 14:03:04 wiza: That is what brits did, and russians too Mar 11 14:03:29 Stskeeps: ah ... i see.. just figured it was more important to have vertical space than horizontal Mar 11 14:03:41 then again. i may be wrong on that Mar 11 14:03:52 did you solve the case of the double menus? :) Mar 11 14:03:56 think so Mar 11 14:03:59 but we'll see Mar 11 14:04:02 wow really? Mar 11 14:04:09 yeah, different type of panel :P Mar 11 14:04:15 haha Mar 11 14:04:19 you started from scratch? Mar 11 14:04:30 nah Mar 11 14:04:32 imported UM patches Mar 11 14:04:39 well.. let me bust out the n800 from the closet and install new and improved mer! :) Mar 11 14:04:56 RST38h: yes, then those hippies went and included moral to operations Mar 11 14:05:52 Macer: wait for 0.10, we're not done yet Mar 11 14:05:52 :P Mar 11 14:06:02 oh Mar 11 14:06:06 when is it due out? :) Mar 11 14:06:33 you guys working on live updating at all? Mar 11 14:06:35 sunday, hopefully Mar 11 14:06:39 what do you mean? Mar 11 14:06:49 well.. i mean you release new versions quite a bit Mar 11 14:07:09 we snapshot release every 14th day intentionally :P Mar 11 14:07:11 figured you might want to work on something that lets you update to a newer version without having to re-install Mar 11 14:07:19 ah, you can, but some things are not in place Mar 11 14:07:27 i see... Mar 11 14:07:38 apt-get dist-upgrade will get you latest code, but you will have to rm -rf .osso/hildon-deskto Mar 11 14:07:39 i figured just something similar to android where you just use an update.zip on the sd Mar 11 14:07:41 p Mar 11 14:07:58 i see Mar 11 14:08:24 well.. workin progress ... i will wait for the next ver Mar 11 14:09:24 k, thumb isn't why it runs bad on 770 :P Mar 11 14:13:09 * lardman sees the topic has turned slightly non-PC in his absence Mar 11 14:13:40 any GStreamer gurus about? Mar 11 14:13:48 any GTK+ TreeView gurus about? Mar 11 14:13:51 :) Mar 11 14:17:19 Stskeeps: vfp, perhaps? Mar 11 14:17:36 Jaffa: vfp isn't enabled, and vfp isn't 770-friendly is it? Mar 11 14:18:14 Stskeeps: Indeed. Or is the 770 performance worse than Maemo? Mar 11 14:18:41 well maemo is practically flying compared to mer :> Mar 11 14:20:21 Oh Mar 11 14:21:17 (on 770) Mar 11 14:21:22 good morning Mar 11 14:21:26 morning Mar 11 14:21:52 my nokia n810 stopped letting me use password to login via ssh, anyone else have this problem? Mar 11 14:22:16 it just wont take the password. i've reset the password a million times and even made it 'aaaaa' Mar 11 14:22:43 both root and user it just keeps reprompting for password Mar 11 14:25:43 zeptar: perhaps you need to recreate your ssl keys. Debian based linuxes have been prone to SSL key vulnerabilities and a lot of keys have been blacklisted. Mar 11 14:26:32 thanks elpollo i'll look into that Mar 11 14:47:57 Very quick question Mar 11 14:48:14 I've been asked by my company if I wanted to go to Lebanon Mar 11 14:48:28 (just to train one of our customers) Mar 11 14:48:55 now, the british foreign office is recommending against sending people there, due to the hezbollah and rockets and shit Mar 11 14:49:02 question: should I go? Mar 11 14:49:32 Hello Mar 11 14:51:02 http://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-1021 Mar 11 14:51:16 crash: Depends on what you will be training them in Mar 11 14:51:34 crashanddie: I'd say no, not as if you're going to enjoy the Med Riviera with all that going on Mar 11 14:52:00 RST38h: API training on one of our products Mar 11 14:52:04 ok, one vote against it Mar 11 14:52:29 I wonder if flak jackets can be claimed on company travel expenses? Mar 11 14:53:13 crash: Seriously, I would say you are not going to come to any harm Mar 11 14:53:50 crash: So, if it is for a few days only, by all means go and consider the trip educational Mar 11 14:54:03 I suppose it depends if it's expected of you, or just an opportunity Mar 11 14:54:24 well, I am a PS consultant so yeah, it's my job to go train people Mar 11 14:54:32 can be anywhere around the world where we have business Mar 11 14:54:41 but basically, I'm supposed to work in Northern Europe Mar 11 14:54:48 crashanddie: just make sure travel insurances and such are in order Mar 11 14:55:27 and flak jacket ;) Mar 11 14:56:30 crashanddie: your doubt doesn't reflect your nickname, btw :P Mar 11 14:59:01 hello all, i've installed maemo sdk+ following http://maemo-sdk.garage.maemo.org/install-ubuntu.html Mar 11 14:59:20 i select fremantle as default target Mar 11 14:59:55 but when i start the emulator with maemo-sdk start gui Mar 11 15:00:09 none appears Mar 11 15:00:25 It works great with diablo Mar 11 15:00:47 Anyone with this problem? Mar 11 15:03:44 crashanddie, as long as they offer you a package which you comfortable risking your life for (insurance is bullshit, you might be dead and it wont help) then gfi Mar 11 15:04:16 * lcuk wouldnt go for any money Mar 11 15:04:28 You are all overblowing the risk Mar 11 15:05:04 Just because the place gets regularly bombed by Israel does not mean that his visit will 1) coincide with the bombing in time and 2) coincide with the bombing in space) Mar 11 15:05:05 would you go to do some training there? Mar 11 15:05:10 I would Mar 11 15:05:15 When paid of course. Mar 11 15:05:24 whats your price? Mar 11 15:05:39 lcuk: Are you making an offer or just fooling around? =) Mar 11 15:06:07 RST38h: but the risk of either happening is higher than say on a trip to Berlin? Mar 11 15:06:09 of course ;) Mar 11 15:06:13 im trying to see whether you are playing devils advocate or being serious. personally i wont risk my life for anything like that Mar 11 15:06:30 lardman: Yes, it is obviously higher but it is the threshold that matters Mar 11 15:06:38 agreed Mar 11 15:06:55 lcuk: Lebanon is well below unacceptable risk threshold Mar 11 15:07:47 :) people have different levels of risk Mar 11 15:07:52 lcuk: Places that are above the threshold include pretty much everything in Africa, heavily islamic countries like Iran, general shitholes like Afhanistan Mar 11 15:07:56 or threshholds Mar 11 15:08:12 South Africa? Mar 11 15:08:18 * RST38h is inclined to include Germany on this list =) Mar 11 15:08:22 lardman: no go Mar 11 15:08:32 why not, I'd prefer that to the Lebanon Mar 11 15:08:44 * lcuk 's boss is from SA :) Mar 11 15:08:50 lardman: it is different now, google for some recent photos and reports Mar 11 15:10:16 Manchester is off my list ;) Mar 11 15:10:32 mainly because of lcuk, not Moss Side or anything Mar 11 15:10:43 haha Mar 11 15:11:11 where's qwerty when you want to be rude about London hey? Mar 11 15:11:52 bbl Mar 11 15:15:29 lcuk & RST38h: no issurance, I asked my boss if I could expense a bulletproof vest and a bodyguard Mar 11 15:15:30 Mornin'. Can anyone help me debug some Mac flasher stuff? I've never flashed from my Mac before and I'd like to try. Mar 11 15:16:17 timsamoff, Safari likes to eat the binaries Mar 11 15:16:18 crash: Unless you intend to visit countryside, I doubt these will be needed :) Mar 11 15:16:24 That's about the only thing that goes wrong. Mar 11 15:16:34 crash: Do ask for more pay though, more pay always helps morale :) Mar 11 15:17:43 GeneralAntilles: Not a problem with the bin (besides, I never use Safari). When I open the flasher, I get: 2009-03-11 10:13:07.239 CocoaDialog[5075:717] Can't open input server /Library/InputManagers/MultiClutchInputManager.bundle Mar 11 15:21:12 lo qwerty12 Mar 11 15:21:17 hey Stskeeps Mar 11 15:21:44 timsamoff, "open" the flasher? Mar 11 15:21:50 qwerty12: earlier: http://shopper.garage.maemo.org/Shopper-Mer.png Mar 11 15:22:06 timsamoff, you're running it from the console, right? Mar 11 15:22:11 Stskeeps, nice! Mar 11 15:22:12 ~flashing Mar 11 15:22:13 [flashing] http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Mar 11 15:22:17 qwerty12: (by lbt) Mar 11 15:22:19 Should I be doing it via Terminal? I was using the UI version (aflegg's). Mar 11 15:22:20 * GeneralAntilles wonders what the flurry of /msgs is about. Mar 11 15:22:39 timsamoff, oh, 770Flasher is something different from the Nokia flasher. ;) Mar 11 15:22:47 read mine and find out Mar 11 15:22:59 Ah, ok. I'll download the Nokia flasher and try that way, then. Mar 11 15:23:07 Thanks. ;) Mar 11 15:23:35 is it just me or is frank.wagner restarting the hibernation thread? Mar 11 15:23:58 Damnit, Tim. . . Mar 11 15:24:31 Jaffa, ping? Mar 11 15:25:18 GeneralAntilles: pong Mar 11 15:30:26 the thread loops. Mar 11 15:30:34 the same argument over again. Mar 11 15:31:06 could someone please check whether it's possible to install streamripper? Mar 11 15:31:07 and that proves the rumour mill of iTT is turing complete.. Mar 11 15:31:38 we could use the thread to solve the worlds energy crisis! Mar 11 15:31:56 It generates its own infinite tape! Mar 11 15:32:15 its beyond a thread and made its own clothing line Mar 11 15:34:48 * Jaffa should really have a play with a new version of the GUI Mar 11 15:35:14 http://dilbert.com/fast/2009-03-10/ Mar 11 15:37:32 RST38h: sure, I won't mind going if I get a 50% salary increase :) Mar 11 15:38:36 crashanddie, permanent Mar 11 15:38:53 lcuk: obviously Mar 11 15:39:15 but then you will become the fallguy Mar 11 15:39:31 Stskeeps, lcuk: have you noticed @constantine's questionnaire in Jaiku Mar 11 15:39:49 lcuk: well, obviously, I won't mind becoming the fall guy if I get a 50% raise everytime I have to go :D Mar 11 15:39:57 i dont jaiku in the daytime, i cant see webpages from home very well Mar 11 15:40:59 lcuk: I'll prod you later then Mar 11 15:41:30 Myrtti: url? Mar 11 15:41:37 i dont tihnk ive got constantine anyway lol just giz a link Mar 11 15:41:49 Stskeeps: http://constantine.jaiku.com/presence/55492676 Mar 11 15:51:52 More Mac flasher Q's... Anyone have a minute? Mar 11 15:52:37 timsamoff: Intel or PPC Mac? Mar 11 15:53:49 Intel Mar 11 15:54:28 I'm trying to flash 43-7 and I'm getting this: Mar 11 15:54:35 Suitable USB device not found, waiting | USB device found found at bus 004, device address 002-0421-0105-02-00 | Found device RX-34, hardware revision 1301 | NOLO version 1.1.7 | Version of 'sw-release': RX-34_2008SE_2.2007.50-2_PR_MR0 | To flash the bootloader, you have to supply the X-Loader image Mar 11 15:54:45 What's the command you're using? Mar 11 15:55:07 sudo ./flasher-2.0.macosx -F -f -R (from the wiki) Mar 11 15:56:38 I can't remember - is there a flasher-3.0 for osx? Mar 11 15:56:39 timsamoff: replace "" with the actual location of the image-file :) Mar 11 15:56:48 Jaffa, nope. Mar 11 15:56:56 Um, yeah... I know. Mar 11 15:57:15 hi Jaffa Mar 11 15:57:20 hey can I have Bluetooth Connection to internet and Adhoc Connection going at same time on n810? Mar 11 15:57:32 kree. Mar 11 16:00:11 qwerty12 & Jaffa: The image is being read (and parsed?) correctly, it seems, but then it ends with the info I pasted above. Mar 11 16:01:35 does maemo.org profile update anyone elese garage groups? Mar 11 16:02:35 timsamoff, Under the line "Image 'xloader', size 9088 bytes", what hardware revision does it say the xloader is valid for? Mar 11 16:03:36 qwerty12: Valid for RX-44: 0801, 0802, 0803, 0804, 0805, 0806, 0901, 0902 | Version 1.1.16-200844maemo2 Mar 11 16:03:55 You're trying to flash an N810 image onto an N800. Mar 11 16:04:33 Well, duh, that could be a problem, eh? Mar 11 16:04:37 Sheesh. Mar 11 16:04:47 Let me try this again. Mar 11 16:04:58 * timsamoff should be shot, eh? Mar 11 16:05:23 * timsamoff is going to try again. Mar 11 16:05:29 You should. For making me lose the thing I needed to copy into the text editor. :P Mar 11 16:07:08 Arg. Sorry, qwerty12. :-/ Mar 11 16:07:24 * timsamoff was actually going to flash the N810, but... Got sidetracked, and... Mar 11 16:15:19 i watched porn on my nokia it was so awesome Mar 11 16:16:59 * timsamoff thanks qwerty12 -- it worked. Really? Ummm... Mar 11 16:19:02 much better than the itouch Mar 11 16:19:05 zeptar, In church? Mar 11 16:19:38 yes i was in the back row by the holy water Mar 11 16:19:59 even though you'd think a product named itouch would be better for porn Mar 11 16:21:46 Jaffa, see Tim's error with 770Flasher? Mar 11 16:43:14 weee - just apt-get dist-upgraded my new N810, worked like a charm Mar 11 16:43:35 Though the network daemon shut down and did not get back up for some reason. Mar 11 16:43:56 icd2 - which I guess stands for internet connect daemon 2 Mar 11 16:44:18 s/connect/connectivity/ (the pedantic side of me points out :)) Mar 11 16:45:23 qwerty12: Ooooh nice. I didn't know you were a pedant. :) Mar 11 16:45:44 <- points to his badge: "Pedant and proud!" :P Mar 11 16:45:49 heh Mar 11 16:46:06 (qwerty12)++ Mar 11 16:46:53 arg! my internet connection keeps dropping Mar 11 16:48:27 okay, I have a mount point called /dev/mmc* and it has 2 gigs on it. Mar 11 16:48:44 That looks like a memorycard Mar 11 16:49:17 jeremiah_, yeah it is, but check its formatted correctly, not sure about new models, but there was an issue where if you filled the card it became corrupt :O Mar 11 16:49:30 lcuk: Okay Mar 11 16:49:41 should I fsck it? Mar 11 16:50:11 jeremiah_: could you please check my streamripper package? someone of the ITT forum said that it isn't working... If i'm lucky I will get my device in this week back... Mar 11 16:50:47 how many times a n810 battery is supposed to live with wifi and online stream radio turn on ? Mar 11 16:50:53 because mine was empty after about 5h Mar 11 16:50:57 thopiekar: Sure Mar 11 16:51:18 thanks.. Mar 11 16:51:59 thopiekar: E: Couldn't find package streamripper Mar 11 16:52:32 That might just be my setup though, let me dig in my sources.list file Mar 11 16:55:16 hey. anyone know when pidgin 2.5.5 will bbe available forn diablo? Mar 11 16:55:35 sorry for typos, blooddy gprs Mar 11 16:56:01 jeremiah_, do not believe anything anyone says online and certainly dont ever just randomly run commands on your filesystem at the word of someone in the forum, qwerty12 might be able to verify and a google search might find out why and how to fix it :P Mar 11 16:56:15 im not lying though, im just not sure about how to cure it Mar 11 16:56:53 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18043 Mar 11 16:58:29 aNyone in helsinki planning to get dinner nowish? Mar 11 17:00:26 timelE61i: I am sure someone in Helsinki wants to eat dinner. Mar 11 17:01:21 jeremiah_: :| I asked you lastly why it isn't available on the promoter site.. and you told me that streamripper is in the repos... Mar 11 17:03:30 thopiekar: Eh? Mar 11 17:04:16 thopiekar: I don't think I said that. Mar 11 17:04:36 I am logged into garage right now and I will check if it is in the repos. Mar 11 17:04:37 :P k Mar 11 17:05:30 Yes - streamripper 1.63.5 is in extras for diablo Mar 11 17:05:45 thopiekar: Now I will see if I can install it on my N810 Mar 11 17:05:52 nice.. Mar 11 17:07:19 jeremiah_, don't dist-upgrade. Mar 11 17:07:32 jeremiah_, with the wrong combination of repositories you'll end up with a brick. :) Mar 11 17:07:39 Also, 'grats on the new tablet. Mar 11 17:07:49 s/brick/reboot loop/ Mar 11 17:08:35 GeneralAntilles: Really? Well, I was lucky this time I guess. :) Mar 11 17:08:47 GeneralAntilles: But there were some issues. Mar 11 17:08:56 GeneralAntilles: So I'll avoid it in the future. Mar 11 17:09:09 jeremiah_, yes, if you have the SDK repository on the device, it'll install gnutils. Mar 11 17:09:28 Which means the boot scripts will fail when they expect busybox behaviors. Mar 11 17:09:52 Anyway, upgrading through the Application Manager is the only supported and recommended method. Mar 11 17:10:18 GeneralAntilles: That is what I will stick to - though sometimes the temptation is strong . . . Mar 11 17:10:28 to just do it the debian way. :) Mar 11 17:10:45 Eh, it's a good way to find bugs. Mar 11 17:10:58 But just be warned that if you plan on relying heavily on your tablet you could run into trouble. ;) Mar 11 17:12:07 GeneralAntilles: I have tons of bricked hardware hanging around, one more small piece should not piss off my wife too much Mar 11 17:12:26 and it's unsupported - break at your own risk Mar 11 17:12:29 isnt that part of the maemo.org contract "all people working on maemo should exclusively run all computer systems using maemo hardware" Mar 11 17:12:59 Maemo hardware? Mar 11 17:13:10 hardware which runs a maemo os Mar 11 17:13:11 heh Mar 11 17:13:22 lcuk, Maemo SW hardware? :p Mar 11 17:13:30 Vmware? Mar 11 17:14:32 jeremiah_: does it work? Mar 11 17:14:55 thopiekar: I don't see it showing up on my tablet yet. Not sure why. Mar 11 17:15:37 it is just a command.. try streamripper on xterm Mar 11 17:16:25 thopiekar: streamripper first has to be installed. Mar 11 17:16:37 And I am not seeing it in the application manager. Mar 11 17:16:53 Makes me suspect that it did not get built by the autobuilder Mar 11 17:17:30 I uploaded it withe MEA... Mar 11 17:17:38 MaemoExtrasAssistant Mar 11 17:18:18 jeremiah_, if the section isn't user/*, it wont show in the Application Manager. Mar 11 17:18:38 Generally, anything that isn't user-relevant (which includes most commandline tools) isn't put in user/*. Mar 11 17:18:59 GeneralAntilles: I am looking at "All" packages in AM Mar 11 17:19:54 jeremiah_, All == user/* Mar 11 17:20:39 and streamripper isn't in user/* ;) Mar 11 17:20:41 libraries and shouldn't be visible to the user. Mar 11 17:20:52 s/and/and such/ Mar 11 17:20:52 GeneralAntilles meant: libraries and such shouldn't be visible to the user. Mar 11 17:21:03 Garage is slooow again. Mar 11 17:22:01 GeneralAntilles: what is actually "slooow"? Mar 11 17:22:07 garage has a load average of 5 something right now Mar 11 17:22:24 But the other day it had a load average of 86! Mar 11 17:22:26 Trying to load http://hildon-app-mgr.garage.maemo.org/ to get the relevant info on section and h-a-m Mar 11 17:23:56 http://hildon-app-mgr.garage.maemo.org/packaging-stable.html Mar 11 17:24:00 See the bit about sections. Mar 11 17:24:12 * thopiekar is thinking about putting it into user/* Mar 11 17:25:10 * Stskeeps yawns Mar 11 17:26:06 Stskeeps: -> #mer Mar 11 17:26:07 :P Mar 11 17:29:01 So what is the deal? Certain packages from maemo.org can be seen by application manager and certain packages can't? Mar 11 17:29:12 * thopiekar really would like to work one of the GSoC suggested projects.. but he is too young for GSoC :| Mar 11 17:29:31 s/one/on one/ Mar 11 17:29:37 thopiekar: Well have fun outdoors this summer then. :) Mar 11 17:29:42 hehe Mar 11 17:30:03 thopiekar: streamripper installed anyway Mar 11 17:30:05 jeremiah_: yeah, section user/ can be seen Mar 11 17:30:16 jeremiah_: without problems? Mar 11 17:30:21 i mean, libavcodec is boring to see in a AM :P Mar 11 17:30:43 Hmm, so why isn't streamripper in section user? Mar 11 17:30:44 hi Mar 11 17:30:56 jeremiah_: my fault.. Mar 11 17:30:59 :P Mar 11 17:31:05 thopiekar: Yeah, I had no problems installing streamripper with apt-get Mar 11 17:31:13 k Mar 11 17:31:16 thanks.. Mar 11 17:31:22 thopiekar: You may want to add it to section user/ so that people can find it! :P Mar 11 17:31:41 into which section should I put it in? Mar 11 17:32:09 thopiekar: How about "multimedia"? Mar 11 17:32:18 user/multimedia? Mar 11 17:32:32 isn't there a list of categories now or how was it? Mar 11 17:32:41 yes Mar 11 17:32:57 Guten Tag ! Mar 11 17:33:05 i thought that there was a link on the wiki page.. Mar 11 17:33:12 'lo khertan Mar 11 17:33:21 hallo Khertan :) Mar 11 17:33:24 'lo Stskeeps Mar 11 17:33:34 Khertan: wie gehts? Mar 11 17:33:36 :P Mar 11 17:33:43 'lo thopiekar Mar 11 17:34:08 * Khertan should really setup his vpn using mibbit on a nit is a real pain Mar 11 17:34:18 alles is gut :) Mar 11 17:34:30 Khertan: bei mir auch :) Mar 11 17:34:39 'just waiting the autobuilder :) Mar 11 17:34:57 héhé Mar 11 17:35:02 :) Mar 11 17:35:44 hoho a new email Mar 11 17:35:44 mibbit + gmail really slow down my nit Mar 11 17:36:32 about that ... does someone know how to force modest to not stay on asmatic mode ? Mar 11 17:37:08 how is mud working? aren't there packages for x86 and x64? Mar 11 17:38:39 any one here is iranian? Mar 11 17:38:46 X-Fade: Ping? Mar 11 17:38:52 samira: Why? Mar 11 17:39:08 samira: I am not Iranian, but I know some people who are Mar 11 17:39:47 because im iranian Mar 11 17:41:05 So the N810 has a built-in memory card? Mar 11 17:41:08 Cool Mar 11 17:41:20 yep Mar 11 17:41:25 you finally got a tablet? Mar 11 17:41:29 Khertan: http://modest.garage.maemo.org/ #docmentation.. Mar 11 17:41:38 Stskeeps: I do, I have been playing with it a lot. Mar 11 17:41:44 and this one works under 20C Mar 11 17:41:47 Khertan: there is a reference on svn... Mar 11 17:41:52 jeremiah_: of course you have. it's as addictive as heroin. Mar 11 17:41:52 :P Mar 11 17:41:54 I blogged about it but my blogs are not showing up on planet.m.o Mar 11 17:41:57 i mean -20C Mar 11 17:42:01 Stskeeps: It is addictive! Mar 11 17:42:07 Electronic crack Mar 11 17:42:15 thopiekar ? Mar 11 17:42:52 I just searched for your question.. (about that ... does someone know how to force modest to not stay on asmatic mode ?).. Mar 11 17:42:53 :) Mar 11 17:43:08 ah ? ok Mar 11 17:43:10 thx Mar 11 17:43:11 :P Mar 11 17:43:43 ooh. mer article up on lwn.net Mar 11 17:43:53 jeremiah_: Have you looked at the "aggregate your blog" link on pmo? Mar 11 17:44:00 i think you have just see the chaos on my mcalendar svn Mar 11 17:44:02 Stskeeps: ooh Mar 11 17:44:04 sts gratz!!!!!! Mar 11 17:44:11 some of it is not correct, but yeah Mar 11 17:44:12 * thopiekar is searching for it on lwn.. Mar 11 17:44:19 got it :) Mar 11 17:44:31 and you suggest me to read the svn documentation Mar 11 17:44:37 Pussy mans want me to subscribe >.< Mar 11 17:44:40 hehe a screen of the vmdk.. Mar 11 17:44:41 :) Mar 11 17:45:26 omg its required to login for the "full story" Mar 11 17:45:34 thopiekar: I am stream ripping right now. Mar 11 17:45:42 thopiekar: Everything seems to be working fine Mar 11 17:45:49 thopiekar: It's a subscriber article Mar 11 17:46:05 A subscriber can get a link to share Mar 11 17:46:16 Jaffa: Yeah, it was being aggregated but stopped for some reason Mar 11 17:46:33 jeremiah_: poke X-Fade ;-) Mar 11 17:46:39 nice.. I will write the person now back who said that it isn't possible to use it.. Mar 11 17:46:45 -> jeremiah_ Mar 11 17:46:52 thanks again Mar 11 17:46:55 Jaffa: Yeah, he seems to have a lot to do, but I will poke him later. :) Mar 11 17:47:02 thopiekar: Sure thing, and nice job! Mar 11 17:47:04 From bugmenot: user:ummmwhat and password: ummmwhat Mar 11 17:47:10 *hellooo Mar 11 17:47:49 jeremiah_: mine? rebuilding streamripper? Mar 11 17:48:20 thopiekar: You did a good job packaging it, it works! Mar 11 17:48:40 Jaffa: not entirely correct article, but hey, publicity.. Mar 11 17:48:51 Although I am not sure why one would want to do this on a tablet. :) It takes up so much space. Mar 11 17:49:06 :) big thanks actually to ubuntu's packages which are making these source packages... Mar 11 17:49:07 Stskeeps: Do you have a URL or is it on the front page? Mar 11 17:49:18 jeremiah_: front page, but subscriber only until next week Mar 11 17:49:19 just reediting [debain] Mar 11 17:49:21 :P Mar 11 17:49:53 * Jaffa will post a subscriber link to maemo-developers Mar 11 17:50:09 user:ummmwhat & password: hellooo works Mar 11 17:50:28 * Khertan doesn t understand what all of you are talking about ... Mar 11 17:50:29 qwerty12: I'd rather not encourage people to fleece LWN Mar 11 17:50:33 the user who i was talking about is spaming ITT full of threads.. Mar 11 17:50:33 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/search.php?searchid=4476727 Mar 11 17:50:49 Jaffa, I didn't say to post *that* Mar 11 17:50:52 so ITT mod's it would be nice cleaning up them.. Mar 11 17:50:53 http://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/322693/386fdf3634a8457f/ Mar 11 17:51:07 there are even no replies on them Mar 11 17:52:12 Thanks Jaffa! Mar 11 17:53:17 Jaffa: there's one thing that i regret the guy didn't get along in article, which was in the answers from Quim when interviewed.. "Mer is also a proof point of the openness of the Nokia devices designed Mar 11 17:53:22 for Maemo. For me one of the beauties of Maemo is that you can get rid Mar 11 17:53:23 of it. It is not imposed." Mar 11 17:53:53 thx for the link Mar 11 17:54:37 Stskeeps: let's go commentastic Mar 11 17:54:52 * Jaffa is going to have to turn off his computer. Not making me feel better. Back to tablet I go Mar 11 17:55:33 Hmm, I use synergy a lot, I might have to package that for maemo. Mar 11 17:55:46 jeremiah_: HIM is practically synergy :P Mar 11 17:56:24 Stskeeps: Aha, maybe I should just use that instead. Mar 11 17:56:28 * jeremiah_ takes a look Mar 11 17:56:36 there's a mode for "show all packages" too Mar 11 17:56:39 err.. HAM, i mean Mar 11 17:57:32 (yay, i can show my fiancée something tangible :P) Mar 11 17:58:50 oh ! i m not the only one to use mibbit on a nit :) ... héhé Mar 11 17:59:57 jeremiah_: is that category called? user/multimedia and if you want to use streamripper with a gui.. try my howto on ITT.. http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=270824 .. Mar 11 18:00:16 someone know a tool that share the mouse and keyboard by network with a keyboard connected on linux ? Mar 11 18:00:31 ? remote? Mar 11 18:00:39 Khertan: Well, I was just talking about synergy, which does that. Mar 11 18:00:42 Khertan, as mentioned earlier, Synergy? :) Mar 11 18:01:02 But Stskeeps says look at HIM which I guess does that on the NIT Mar 11 18:01:12 ooh. synergy Mar 11 18:01:16 not synaptic Mar 11 18:01:18 damnit Mar 11 18:01:18 wasn't it available on maemo in the past? Mar 11 18:01:25 jeremiah_: my bad, ignore me :) Mar 11 18:01:41 HIM = Hildon Input Method which doesn't do that, it's the on screen keyboard and stuff Mar 11 18:01:43 Stskeeps: Cool, google wasn't helping me there with HIM Mar 11 18:02:04 Cool, then I will try to package synergy since it is the bomb! Mar 11 18:02:17 jeremiah_: be aware it might be a bit lame without a cursor Mar 11 18:02:32 ahaha ... i read synaptic too Mar 11 18:02:32 great thx Mar 11 18:02:35 Stskeeps: I didn't even think of that. Mar 11 18:02:52 A quick script could probably be made that toggles the cursor Mar 11 18:03:02 (I could probably do it even) Mar 11 18:03:14 qwerty12: Where does the cursor live? And would you write that script? Mar 11 18:04:06 jeremiah_, as root, edit /home/user/.icons/default/index.theme and comment the "Inherits=xcursor-transparent" line and reboot Mar 11 18:04:26 jeremiah_, sure Mar 11 18:04:33 very cool Mar 11 18:04:38 thanks qwerty12 Mar 11 18:05:07 I have to leave for a bit to pull up my debian dev environment here, my old dev environment died :( Mar 11 18:05:17 But I will be back, hopefully with news about synergy Mar 11 18:05:22 Also, if you get synergy into extras, I'll hildonize quicksynergy :) Mar 11 18:05:55 (Useful for noobs like me who can't be bothered to figure out the semantics of the synergy config file) Mar 11 18:06:09 can someone could compile a upload for me python-gtksourceview binding ? Mar 11 18:06:10 qwerty12: is it difficult to hildinize apps? Mar 11 18:06:21 is/a/and Mar 11 18:06:54 Khertan: you need python-gtksourceview on extras right? Mar 11 18:07:00 or just a deb? Mar 11 18:07:04 -.-' Mar 11 18:07:10 thopiekar, depends, I'm certainly not brilliant at it but I've gotten better (*points to maemo5 version of transmission*) Mar 11 18:07:36 hmm Mar 11 18:08:51 I don't know when you started hildonizing apps but I would be interesting in it, too.. whats about the source? is it usually C++ or python? Mar 11 18:09:48 qwerty12: why are you interested in hildonizing apps for maemo5? it wouldn't be available for n8x0's.. Mar 11 18:10:18 thopiekar: cos maemo4.1 is going to be left in the dust and fremantle APIs will be in Mer too, so Mar 11 18:10:31 thopiekar, oh, lol the version of transmission happens to be maemo5. But I've got my eye on the next tablet anyway ;) Mar 11 18:10:50 :P Mar 11 18:12:01 * thopiekar is only interested in its price... if he will earn some money on gSoC next year he will buy one and sell his n800.. Mar 11 18:13:19 * thopiekar is atm looking for someone, who would like to buy his N800 and then buying a N810 of that money... :P Mar 11 18:13:28 but that isn't really possible.. Mar 11 18:14:21 hey how can i mount my (external) memcard it shows up if i connect it to my pc. but i want to mount it manually now using a command i tried mount /media/mmc2 but that didn't work probably cause (i think) it needs an entry in /etc/fstab Mar 11 18:15:35 joyrider___: is it really working on your pc and are you using a SD/MMC-card? Mar 11 18:16:43 well it showed up as a 8 (well 7.9 gig) card when i connected it to the pc so i thought it worked. i used a micro sd to sdmini convertor for my 8 gig micro sd card Mar 11 18:16:48 you see Mar 11 18:16:54 i had to unmount it first Mar 11 18:17:12 so i could rmmod g_file_storage and enable usbnet Mar 11 18:17:15 half-russia for pidgin=2.5.5 on diablo, anyone! Mar 11 18:17:27 but now i can't figure out how to mount it again Mar 11 18:17:50 :P Mar 11 18:18:38 although i could disable usbnet again and hook it up to the pc and run mount in terminal that should give me the right info i think Mar 11 18:18:44 will do that brb Mar 11 18:19:05 thresh: " otschem priatna' " :P Mar 11 18:19:28 s/m/n/ :) Mar 11 18:19:36 :P Mar 11 18:19:58 sry I should look into my book for the next time :D Mar 11 18:20:36 Can anyone with a tablet tell me what the output of "ls -l /home/user/.icons/default/index.theme" is. Trying to decide if this script should run as root... Mar 11 18:21:03 thopiekar/Stskeeps/jeremiah_, http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Package_categories Mar 11 18:21:07 wy ljobitje ejct borsch? Mar 11 18:21:13 GeneralAntilles: thanks Mar 11 18:21:21 how do I get swap to enable at boot? Mar 11 18:21:25 ^ thresh Mar 11 18:21:38 GeneralAntilles: saw that the Mer article is up? (with some factual errors but yeah..) Mar 11 18:21:45 thopiekar: yes, it looks like proper russian ;) Mar 11 18:21:50 :P Mar 11 18:21:56 Stskeeps, saw that it was mentioned, haven't gotten around to looking at it. Mar 11 18:23:03 GeneralAntilles: this link should be added at the end of the wiki how to upload to extras.. Mar 11 18:23:10 I miss it there Mar 11 18:23:14 thopiekar, not yet. Mar 11 18:23:26 GeneralAntilles: why not? Mar 11 18:23:29 thopiekar, Nokia hasn't actually shipped the necessary patches for h-a-m. :\ Mar 11 18:23:46 h-a-m? Mar 11 18:24:08 * thopiekar likes ham or even spam :P Mar 11 18:24:27 But the more packages that use the new categories now makes it all the better when Nokia stop fucking around. I can imagine a few people being pissed off at the thought of reuploading for a category change ;) Mar 11 18:26:36 k I'm going to leave not.. see youu :) Mar 11 18:27:01 Application Manager Mar 11 18:27:08 So the new categories wont be localized. Mar 11 18:27:24 k Mar 11 18:27:32 *now Mar 11 18:27:34 qwerty12, personally, I'm ready to implement it as a requirement for the autobuilder. Mar 11 18:27:35 :DD Mar 11 18:27:59 The categories in h-a-m will then become all ugly and unlocalized and Nokia will get the blame. Mar 11 18:28:16 Which is deserved if they can't be arsed to put the update :/ Mar 11 18:28:24 s/put/put out/ Mar 11 18:28:25 qwerty12 meant: Which is deserved if they can't be arsed to put out the update :/ Mar 11 18:32:44 got it :) Mar 11 18:34:24 Is Auto Indent in Leafpad working for anybody? Mar 11 18:35:43 Jaffa, Stskeeps, "standard Maemo .ipkg packages"? (lwn) Mar 11 18:35:50 sp3000: hmm. Mar 11 18:36:36 sp3000: feel free to comment on the article i guess, we don't use ipkg packages, we're hardly that insane :P Mar 11 18:37:00 (i have no idea where he pulled that out of) Mar 11 18:37:37 the ass of umption, I suppose :P Mar 11 18:37:46 heh Mar 11 18:41:01 hmm, looks like I'd have to pay to comment :) Mar 11 18:41:16 wtf :P Mar 11 18:41:52 i'll send him some errata i guess Mar 11 18:45:08 sp3000: i personally wouldn't have touched maemo if it was running with ipkgs :P Mar 11 18:50:25 Why not ipkg? Mar 11 18:50:58 oh my Mar 11 18:51:02 qole as candidate Mar 11 18:51:10 now i have two to contest as my first selection.. Mar 11 18:52:51 Familiar has ipkgs and openwrt Mar 11 18:53:04 yeah, i know Mar 11 18:55:22 They seems to work some depency problems like in slack Mar 11 18:56:02 admittedly apt can do with a severe beating at times.. Mar 11 18:56:55 You install something but it doesn't run Mar 11 19:00:17 Stskeeps: LWN are usually pretty good at corrections from comments Mar 11 19:00:40 ah Mar 11 19:00:43 i just mailed him directly Mar 11 19:00:57 * Jaffa would comment, but if I sit in front og my computer I'll be sick Mar 11 19:01:21 Stskeeps: that may work too; difficult to see evidence of that ;-) Mar 11 19:04:11 Nice. qole and sjgadsby standing Mar 11 19:04:15 anyone know the best game for maemo outthere? Mar 11 19:04:31 Spellada: mahjong.. :P Mar 11 19:04:40 i am not kidding. the amount of people addicted to that game.. Mar 11 19:05:20 well :) .... im not .... Mar 11 19:06:05 dneary: ping Mar 11 19:06:23 Yup? Mar 11 19:06:32 Just adding sjgadsby & qole to the wiki Mar 11 19:06:53 dneary: when the election tokens go out, can you include a link to the wiki page? Mar 11 19:07:02 Ah, cool :) Mar 11 19:07:04 Jaffa: Which one? Mar 11 19:07:11 what url is the wiki page at? Mar 11 19:07:24 dneary: the declarations Mar 11 19:07:29 There are several wiki pages... Mar 11 19:08:54 Jaffa: How about http://wiki.maemo.org/Special:Random ? Mar 11 19:09:12 There's about a 500 to 1 shot that'll be the right page ;) Mar 11 19:10:22 dneary: -----^ "the declarations" Mar 11 19:10:29 Jaffa: I wasn't born a smart-arse you know Mar 11 19:10:34 I had to work at it Mar 11 19:10:53 i.e. the one you're editing listing the candidates, their positions etc. Mar 11 19:11:18 Jaffa: It's in there already Mar 11 19:11:29 I sent this to Niels earlier Mar 11 19:11:42 (now I need to add another couple of candidates, sheesh!) Mar 11 19:12:59 <|> dneary@maemo.org Mar 11 19:12:59 <|> Maemo Community Council election - voting instructions Mar 11 19:12:59 <|> Dear Mar 11 19:12:59 <|> The election of the Maemo Community Council is now open. Mar 11 19:12:59 <|> Voting will run from March 12th (today) until March 19th 2009, Mar 11 19:13:00 <|> 23:59 UTC. Mar 11 19:13:02 <|> To vote, please go to http://maemo.org/vote/ and follow the Mar 11 19:13:04 <|> instructions there. Mar 11 19:13:10 <|> A list of candidates and their reasons for running is available in the Mar 11 19:13:10 pastebins Mar 11 19:13:12 <|> wiki at Mar 11 19:13:12 :P Mar 11 19:13:16 <|> http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Community_Council/Candidate_declarations_for_March_2009 Mar 11 19:13:18 <|> When instructed to do so, enter the following details: Mar 11 19:13:20 <|> E-mail: Mar 11 19:13:22 <|> Vote token: Mar 11 19:13:24 The election has 4 steps - first, you must identify yourself using the Mar 11 19:13:26 voting token above. Then select your preferred candidates in order of Mar 11 19:13:28 preference. A third step will show you your choice, and ask you to Mar 11 19:13:30 confirm or return to the previous step. Finally, after confirming your Mar 11 19:13:32 choice, a unique identifier will be given to you which will allow you to Mar 11 19:13:34 verify after the election that your vote was counted correctly. To ensure Mar 11 19:13:38 anonymity, no link will be kept between this token and your identifiers, Mar 11 19:13:40 so please keep this token safe. Once you have voted, you will not be able Mar 11 19:13:42 to vote again. Mar 11 19:13:44 Thank you for your vote! Mar 11 19:13:46 Regards, Mar 11 19:13:48 Dave Neary, on behalf of the Maemo community. Mar 11 19:13:50 Stskeeps: Thanks for the top Mar 11 19:13:52 I am now known as Guest2881? Mar 11 19:13:56 Weeeird Mar 11 19:14:13 I had, apparently, failed to register the password for | quickly enough Mar 11 19:17:16 dneary: Thanks, looks good. Did you sort out the IE issues? (I've been in bed all day so apologise if you wanted testing). Mar 11 19:17:41 * dneary debates whether to leave "Express yourself! Make your messenger window look the way you want." in qole's declaration Mar 11 19:17:49 Jaffa: No, didn't Mar 11 19:18:28 dneary: it's a wiki, you can hide the snark in history :P Mar 11 19:18:43 sp3000: Ten seconds too late Mar 11 19:18:46 Oh, and one of the comments from the test run: change "select your preferred candidates in order of preference" to "vote for zero or more candidates in order of preference" (or similar)? Mar 11 19:20:16 Jaffa: I put "Choose your candidates in the order of your preference by clicking on them. Don't worry, if you click on someone by mistake you can correct it later. Once you are happy with the order, submit your vote. You will have the chance to review and confirm your ballot on the next page. Mar 11 19:20:25 dneary: Are you still looking at the IE problem? Mar 11 19:20:50 then... You can vote for as few or as many candidates as you choose. Your vote will be counted for your first choice candidate as long as he is still in the race, and when he is eliminated, your vote will transfer to the next preference candidate still in the race. Mar 11 19:20:59 Ah, cool Mar 11 19:21:19 Jaffa: honestly? Low priority problem for this community Mar 11 19:21:32 Jaffa: Spent the day working on getting the electorate right Mar 11 19:21:45 There were a couple of new karma issues Patrik was working on Mar 11 19:22:23 But I have the importing the maemo user database down pat now, 10 minutes from receiving the CSV file to having the filtered electorate in the database Mar 11 19:22:27 dneary: :p Mar 11 19:22:52 keesj: Was that for the "low priority" comment? :) Mar 11 19:23:13 I do want to think about the people who have locked down windows PCs at work, but I don't think there are many :) Mar 11 19:23:32 hmm just installed console-tools and want to use my internal 2 gig memory to clone the os, now i created 1 fat32 primary partition (250 mb) the rest extended with 1 logical ext3 partition. however when i choose clone in the menu and select the source i get a new screen with an error on it : error : expected at least 7 tokens for --radiolist, have 4 is this normal ? Mar 11 19:23:36 no for the leave the "Express yourself" , /me is lagging a little Mar 11 19:23:38 dneary: I disagree it is a low priority. If it's not fixed, we can mitigate it with a comment on the page it won't work in IE, but will work in Firefox, tablet browser, Safari(?), Opera(?), ..., Mar 11 19:24:23 I assume the "express yourself" was Hotmail spam Mar 11 19:25:22 dneary: Agreed, it's probably not the end of the world for people with locked down PCs at work Mar 11 19:25:52 Just trying to think about what criticism we're going to get this year :-/ Mar 11 19:26:05 .. people still use hotmail? scary Mar 11 19:26:08 Jaffa: The "express yourself" is, of course, Hotmail spam Mar 11 19:26:35 And "doesn't work on IE" is probably going to get met with "haw haw haw he uses IE" Mar 11 19:27:32 dneary: I assume you're being a smart-arse, rather than serious :-) Mar 11 19:29:17 ah nvm just found out i had to run pbeasy instead of pb ;) Mar 11 19:30:20 * Stskeeps hugs Octave for saving his ass in linear algebra again. Mar 11 19:33:10 * RST38h moos evilly Mar 11 19:33:54 IE might matter if we're looking at 10 karma points, but doubtful for 25. Mar 11 19:34:16 * GeneralAntilles is glad to see sjgadsby responded to his prodding. Mar 11 19:34:45 qole for council chair! Mar 11 19:34:46 * Stskeeps ducks Mar 11 19:37:03 General: that was an over-generalizing statement =) Mar 11 19:38:05 RST38h, I think people with enough karma to net a voting token can figure out how to open the link in Firefox if necessary. Mar 11 19:38:47 dneary, candidate page is alphabetical by last name. Mar 11 19:39:08 GeneralAntilles: I assumed it was in the order of arrival of candidature statements Mar 11 19:39:13 Didn't check Mar 11 19:39:19 dneary, I'll resort it. Mar 11 19:39:46 Jaffa: And no, honestly, I think if someone went on maemo-community and said "doesn't work on IE", I suspect they'd be laughed at Mar 11 19:40:03 Jaffa: I think I hace a fix Mar 11 19:40:12 But it makes the whole thing look horrible Mar 11 19:41:37 dneary: there's a difference between ppl on -community laughing at someon and a maemo.org representative doing the same. Mar 11 19:42:04 Jaffa: Are you trying to put me in a serious-jacket? Mar 11 19:43:30 Jaffa: Can you test something for me, please? Mar 11 19:43:36 I'd use the word "professional"; maemo.org sometimes has an image problem with less-involved people. Mar 11 19:43:44 dneary: of course Mar 11 19:44:12 Stskeeps, ". . . Hildon application toolkit developed for Maemo tablets, Munk says to expect GTK+ and Qt support as well." nice Mar 11 19:44:28 Jaffa: I don't think you've ever seen me be nasty-rude to people Mar 11 19:44:46 Jaffa: But I think we probably have different senses of what "professional" means Mar 11 19:44:59 dneary: I didn't say you had. I was referring to your hypothetical Mar 11 19:45:02 And I definitely don't want to get put on a maemo.org pedestal Mar 11 19:45:22 I think that we should be held to the same standards as the rest of the community, no more no less Mar 11 19:45:35 (beyond, you know, the expectation of availability & results) Mar 11 19:47:52 * Jaffa isn't going to get into a debate when a) I wasn't suggesting you'd done anything wrong and b) was talking about hypothetical "pointing and laughing" Mar 11 19:48:14 Jaffa: I didn't say *I* was going to do the pointing & laughing Mar 11 19:48:23 But I think that would be the tone of the response Mar 11 19:48:38 Much as it would be if someone went to the GNOME Foundation list with the same concern Mar 11 19:48:41 dneary: Yes, you clarified that and I was happy. Mar 11 19:48:49 *was* happy? Mar 11 19:48:55 What did I do to upset you since? Mar 11 19:49:11 Nothing. This happpened in the past. Mar 11 19:49:27 I'm still happy. Mar 11 19:49:36 Oh. Mar 11 19:49:38 OK. Mar 11 19:49:41 Night, then. Mar 11 19:50:10 (I'll send the candidate list, and with Niels' help, start the election tomorrow at noon) Mar 11 19:50:37 Ta muchly Mar 11 19:51:01 GeneralAntilles: yeah, sent GTK+ as a errata. QT: http://shopper.garage.maemo.org/Shopper-Mer.png Mar 11 19:51:23 http://pix.motivatedphotos.com/2008/8/10/633540088021422073-happinessappleshapples.jpg Mar 11 19:51:31 (i couldnt find happy oranges, but heres a happy apple!) Mar 11 19:54:57 anybody know how to move windows in screen? Mar 11 19:55:02 i want to move 1 to 0 Mar 11 19:55:09 Is it even possible? Mar 11 19:55:15 i don't know :) Mar 11 19:55:27 Do ^A ? Mar 11 19:55:32 And see what it says Mar 11 19:56:56 guess not :-\ Mar 11 19:57:04 wish there was twin for fbsd Mar 11 19:59:02 ...tall, thin aluminum can, packaging in an unknown language. Opening the can caused a chemical reaction with the liquid inside the can. Liquid was apparently not intended for an oxygenated atmosphere, and detonated violently, causing several injuries and killing two researchers. Testing discontinued, and area cleared. Testing area observed to smell like citrus for several days... Mar 11 19:59:36 RST38h: uhm. what is that? Mar 11 19:59:38 napalm or something? Mar 11 19:59:56 Macer: an energy drink vended by a machine Mar 11 20:00:07 wtf?? Mar 11 20:00:09 hahaha Mar 11 20:00:16 where is that article? :) Mar 11 20:00:37 dneary: No IE at home, I'm afraid. If it's just the links making things look nasty, have you tried style="text-decoration: none" on the a elements? Mar 11 20:01:10 Macer: http://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-261 (Object SCP-261 aka magic vending machine from Japan) Mar 11 20:01:13 i'm trying to put twin on my damn shell box Mar 11 20:01:15 * qwerty12_N800 leads the "Fuck IE!" resistance movement Mar 11 20:01:30 i need something that's better than screen and can be detatched Mar 11 20:01:47 * RST38h incarcerates qwerty12 making him use Lynx with a braille keyboard Mar 11 20:01:55 dneary: if that doesn't help, I'll test at work tomorrow if election's starting at noon (GMT?) Mar 11 20:02:13 Resistance supressed! Mar 11 20:02:20 lol Mar 11 20:02:50 ev'ning, qgil Mar 11 20:02:54 hi Jaffa Mar 11 20:03:41 wow, voting 5 candidates in preferential sorting seemed relatively easy just few days (hours ago) Mar 11 20:03:58 Hi, qgil. Mar 11 20:04:02 but now suddenly it has become much more complex interesting Mar 11 20:04:25 cool stuff Mar 11 20:04:48 qgil, just think how many candidates we're going to get when the bacon benefits we talked about before get implemented. ;) Mar 11 20:05:39 I will give a complimentary vote to the candidate that manifests his preference for a vegan diet Mar 11 20:05:59 Hehe Mar 11 20:06:10 http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/images/bigpot6.jpg Mar 11 20:06:30 Does having a vegetarian wife count? ;-) Mar 11 20:06:55 qgil, even vegans are tempted by bacon Mar 11 20:07:38 There was an article in Time magazine a few weeks ago about posh US restaurants using bacon in deserts Mar 11 20:08:15 Inspired by Heston Blumenthal's bacon & egg (and salmonella? ;-)) ice cream. Mar 11 20:08:35 chocolate coated bacon is quite appealing Mar 11 20:09:14 I had the best sausage gravy and biscuits this morning. Mar 11 20:09:17 * lcuk has had a rest from bacon this week though: tracys lemon n lime drizzle cake has distracted me Mar 11 20:10:06 lcuk: maybe British vegans Mar 11 20:10:08 * Jaffa remembers that GeneralAntilles' "biscuits" != UK biscuits. Mar 11 20:10:28 heh gqil, more than likely Mar 11 20:12:16 Mmmm, bacon Mar 11 20:12:21 lcuk: in Spain vegans are tempted by http://www.flickr.com/photos/quimgil/504912164/ - bacon can't simply compete with that Mar 11 20:13:14 OH I'M SO HAPPY Mar 11 20:13:17 to Nokia kernel hackers: if you want swapfile on vfat to work with recent kernels, pick up this patch http://lkml.indiana.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0903.1/01510.html (or avoid the faulty nov 2008 patch) Mar 11 20:13:29 my home server died and I had my testbed mediawiki on it ^____^ Mar 11 20:13:34 Jaffa: for a non-native, which one is which? Mar 11 20:13:41 ;___________; Mar 11 20:13:53 RST38h: UK calls cookies "biscuits" Mar 11 20:14:00 * Myrtti goes to strangle small furry animals Mar 11 20:14:01 qgil, what is that? Mar 11 20:14:12 Jaffa: And what is the US variety? Mar 11 20:14:47 * Jaffa isn't entirely sure what US biscuits are. A hard, dry, savoury disk, typically softened with gravy IIRC Mar 11 20:15:01 * RST38h never seen that one Mar 11 20:15:13 Wiki to the rescue Mar 11 20:15:22 heh Mar 11 20:15:36 Jaffa: Russian "biscuit" is closer to what you would call "pound cake" Mar 11 20:16:04 And what'd I call "pound cake"? ;-) Mar 11 20:16:09 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biscuit <-- ah, I have seen that one Mar 11 20:16:21 balls! cursed damn thing. i just stripped down my 810, took out the memory card took it out of the micro-mini thing, swapped it, put it back together, booted up and completely forgot to move the file i needed before booting Mar 11 20:16:24 configure: error: GNU Make > 3.76.1 is required to compile twin Mar 11 20:16:59 Jaffa: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pound_cake Mar 11 20:17:09 is it normal that the n810 is very very unstable after cloning the os ? Mar 11 20:17:28 when booting from the internal memory card of course Mar 11 20:17:38 lcuk: Why not use USB connector or scp or bt? Mar 11 20:17:42 joyrider___, not usually Mar 11 20:18:00 well i would but the data i needed was on the memory card i just dismantled Mar 11 20:18:11 before stripping it i thought "i need to copy that" Mar 11 20:20:50 RST38h: ah, I see. I've got my mum's Christmas cake to finish which looks like it's a pound cake matured with rum, covered in marzipan and icing. Mar 11 20:21:04 hm Mar 11 20:21:12 i hate to manually move make and replace it with gmake Mar 11 20:21:13 wtf? :) Mar 11 20:21:20 Jaffa, that cake in the poundcake article looks ominous Mar 11 20:22:04 wayy too much icing Mar 11 20:22:57 Jaffa: Well, .RU version (aka biscuit) is actually much lighter Mar 11 20:23:03 bleh can't seem to get usbnet working either after booting from the internal memcard Mar 11 20:23:14 Jaffa: with minimal icing/covering Mar 11 20:23:44 and some tasty crust Mar 11 20:23:57 RST38h: Sounds good Mar 11 20:24:59 lcuk: you shoud try US brownies Mar 11 20:25:09 isnt that illegal? Mar 11 20:25:20 lcuk: no that I am aware of Mar 11 20:25:39 lcuk: but it is guaranteed to leave your body in the same shape it entered Mar 11 20:26:13 related to twinkies then Mar 11 20:27:37 Jaffa, buttermilk biscuits: http://southernfood.about.com/od/breakfastrecipes/ig/Delicious-Breakfasts/sausagebisci.htm Mar 11 20:28:56 gan, those aren't biscuits Mar 11 20:29:00 US biscuits are soft. Mar 11 20:29:17 ours are soft if they are left out of the packet Mar 11 20:29:25 you oculdnt exactly dunk them Mar 11 20:29:25 See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bisquick Mar 11 20:29:41 and why did i think of natalie portman Mar 11 20:30:06 ive always thought hot grits were actual stone grit - its confused me since i started reading slashdot Mar 11 20:30:52 Mmm . . . grits. Mar 11 20:30:56 * GeneralAntilles had some of those too. Mar 11 20:32:14 a whole whooosh of memes just clarified themselves in my head Mar 11 20:36:50 well.. got twin to run Mar 11 20:36:56 don't know exactly how to use it yet but it looks promising :) Mar 11 20:37:12 if only i can figure out how to use it in a tty instead of it opening an X interface Mar 11 20:38:45 Macer: What is twin? Mar 11 20:42:26 Twin runs perfectly on the linux console, inside itself, in a twin terminal and on X11: it opens a window and draws in it, does _not_ run inside an xterm or similar. Mar 11 20:42:43 i'm wondering how gay it is now :) Mar 11 20:42:55 i thought twin would be an ncurses style screen but i guess not Mar 11 20:42:59 * Macer removes it Mar 11 20:43:34 Alrighty then Mar 11 20:44:00 someone told me that it was a good replacement to screen with "desktop" and resizable windows etc Mar 11 20:44:24 but it is a little different.. and seeing it doesn't run inside an xterm properly... isn't worth it Mar 11 20:44:38 * RST38h now understands that he has seen a US-issue biscuit many times but never tasted it Mar 11 20:44:52 also it seems to require a mouse so that alone makes it not worth it Mar 11 20:44:56 They're good. Mar 11 20:45:17 i hate biscuits Mar 11 20:45:35 and most of them are not good Mar 11 20:45:45 RST38h: "US-issue Biscuit"? Mar 11 20:45:52 they taste like poor people's bread Mar 11 20:45:59 I love biscuits\ Mar 11 20:46:08 jeremiah_, as opposed to a UK "biscuit" Mar 11 20:46:20 A good buttermilk biscuit is like manna from heaven. Mar 11 20:46:30 GeneralAntilles: Oh - UK biscuit == cookie Mar 11 20:46:52 jeremiah_, cover it in sausage gravy and it's even better. ;) Mar 11 20:47:02 GeneralAntilles: Exactly! :) Mar 11 20:47:06 that was abrupt Mar 11 20:47:09 :) Mar 11 20:47:11 Mmmm Mar 11 20:47:20 Ah, the power of sausage gravy! Mar 11 20:47:29 Installing updates Mar 11 20:49:29 GAN: Your wish to have a single icon to start ATI85 and a model selection menu has been granted Mar 11 20:49:41 Poof! Mar 11 20:49:53 * RST38h just tested the version where it works reliably Mar 11 20:50:28 Can't release it until I have got TI-82, TI-83+ and the menu images though Mar 11 21:00:13 that's better Mar 11 21:00:25 don't know why i waited so long to set up identd .. guess i just didn't care that much :) Mar 11 21:05:05 jeremiah_: if you haven't edited the file already, can you tell me what "ls -l /home/user/.icons/default/index.theme" returns for you? Mar 11 21:05:19 where, on my NIT? Mar 11 21:05:28 yep Mar 11 21:05:46 dumb question, I'll go check . . . Mar 11 21:06:18 lol qwerty12_N800 are you just testing jeremiah_ :p Mar 11 21:06:48 no, genuine question :D Mar 11 21:06:52 * lcuk curses not being able to get network connected in mer Mar 11 21:06:53 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 42 Dec 22 2005 /home/user/.icons/default/index.theme Mar 11 21:06:56 Viola! Mar 11 21:07:23 Got it, thanks :) Mar 11 21:07:31 Sure. Mar 11 21:07:37 What does it mean? :) Mar 11 21:07:55 I mean I know what that line means, but what are you looking for? Mar 11 21:08:10 I'll have to execute the script to toggle the cursor as root :/ :) Mar 11 21:08:25 ah. Mar 11 21:08:39 Maybe we can do that as a post-install in the deb package? Mar 11 21:08:58 So if you install the synergy package you get the cursor added automagically Mar 11 21:09:03 jeremiah_, do not trust anything qwerty puts in a postinst Mar 11 21:09:05 I will look into that. Mar 11 21:09:25 Ah, but you see, _I_ would put it into the postinst Mar 11 21:09:31 =) Mar 11 21:09:35 phew! Mar 11 21:09:52 Lol, I made the script a toggling one expecting it to be ran outside the install. No problems :) Mar 11 21:09:53 * lcuk glares at qwerty Mar 11 21:10:27 * qwerty12_N800 glares back at the northerner Mar 11 21:10:47 :D Mar 11 21:12:02 I'm just grinning at the thought that it actually got included Mar 11 21:12:35 That was the version you should have promoted ;P Mar 11 21:13:48 https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/debian/preinst.qwerty12?view=markup&root=liqbase&pathrev=26 Mar 11 21:13:56 no, its not \o/ Mar 11 21:14:19 Yeah, it's more like w00t! Mar 11 21:14:45 lol only if done properly, the next version of liqbase is gonna includes something specifically for you lol Mar 11 21:15:09 hehe :p Mar 11 21:16:31 i cant get mer net working, worst of all i cant even remember my wifi password Mar 11 21:21:02 lcuk haha Mar 11 21:21:05 reset your router Mar 11 21:21:20 router? *cough* Mar 11 21:23:23 woglinde, he's freaking AdHoc at home. <_< Mar 11 21:24:20 and im adhoc in the car, and the hotel and at work and wherever i might be :) Mar 11 21:24:31 it works really well and my devices can see each other Mar 11 21:24:40 and v soon they will sync with each other as well Mar 11 21:25:18 whatever i see or draw or write will be available to me on any of my devices :) Mar 11 21:25:28 My devices can also see each other with a router too :) Mar 11 21:25:38 not on the bus they cant Mar 11 21:25:44 or out in the park Mar 11 21:25:56 lcuk, you can use adhoc elsewhere and infrastructure at home. Mar 11 21:26:00 ^ Mar 11 21:26:06 why bother changing? Mar 11 21:26:12 lcuk, nothing you do justifies your current setup other than being too goddamn cheap to buy a router. Mar 11 21:26:17 Because adhoc kills your battery. Mar 11 21:26:27 i have a little wire for that Mar 11 21:26:44 when do you hear me complaining about running out of power when i need it Mar 11 21:27:03 the nokia even at 100% lasts longer on battery than my laptop Mar 11 21:31:28 is there a hack I'm missing? Mar 11 21:32:00 for what? Mar 11 21:32:19 eyes I guess - so my devices can see each other... Mar 11 21:32:29 * lbt goes now Mar 11 21:32:37 lol Mar 11 21:33:32 hum hum Mar 11 21:33:41 any working icq clients for diablo? Mar 11 21:34:24 rtcomm Mar 11 21:34:27 Install the beta Mar 11 21:40:00 since Stskeeps is asleep ... does anyone here know about the Mer builder? Mar 11 21:45:20 lbt, it builds packages for Mer. Mar 11 21:45:42 ah, now if it did that I'd be happy Mar 11 21:45:52 Hehe Mar 11 21:45:57 actually it mainly prints error messages ;) Mar 11 21:47:19 Oh, right, that's what I meant Mar 11 21:47:26 It prints error messages. :P Mar 11 21:48:00 sometimes those error messages give subtle clues to what its doing and why its not working ;) Mar 11 21:48:08 here you go: http://trac.tspre.org:8000/qt4=4.5.0-0maemo0_x86-0903111955.log Mar 11 21:48:15 it's missing libreadline-dev Mar 11 21:48:25 OTOH http://pastebin.com/d33a2ac62 Mar 11 21:48:30 it's in my deps Mar 11 21:48:55 so, AFAIUI, it should have installed it for me :( Mar 11 21:49:01 bad builder Mar 11 21:49:22 Setting up python2.6-minimal (2.6.1-1ubuntu1) ... Mar 11 21:49:22 Could not find platform dependent libraries Mar 11 21:50:52 I'd missed that Mar 11 21:51:07 what's odd is that it was fine on the vdk Mar 11 21:51:25 and from what I can see it's the same system... Mar 11 21:51:40 readline actually deps 2.6 and that doesnt give errors Mar 11 21:52:21 readline is OK... it's "package libreadline4-dev cannot be found" that is odd Mar 11 21:52:33 it sounds like it isn't in the repo Mar 11 21:53:17 Preparing to replace libreadline5 5.2-3.1 (using .../libreadline5_5.2-4_i386.deb) ... Mar 11 21:53:17 Unpacking replacement libreadline5 ... Mar 11 21:53:19 yeah 5 is there Mar 11 21:53:31 autobuilders are cool - 'cept when they break Mar 11 21:53:47 autobuilders at least give a log Mar 11 21:54:05 its not quite so blackbox Mar 11 21:54:14 actually, it hasn't tried to install *any* build-deps Mar 11 21:55:50 heh, "omg its qt - RUN!" Mar 11 21:56:13 :D Mar 11 21:56:21 "here i am, brain the size of a planet and you want me to build your applications" Mar 11 22:05:33 hi is there a usb current measuring device Mar 11 22:05:43 for tablet/usb Mar 11 22:06:59 GeneralAntilles: apt fails to found telepathy-haze when trying to install rtcomm Mar 11 22:07:26 wants >= 0.2.something, has 0.1.4 Mar 11 22:07:53 probably some bug in the repo Mar 11 22:10:15 thresh, you'll need to find the Collabora repo. Mar 11 22:10:22 thresh, it should be listed on gronmayer. Mar 11 22:10:42 thresh, Nokia never got around to actually uploading all of the parts necessary to install the rtcomm-beta from Extras Mar 11 22:10:49 It's a PITA but what can you do. Mar 11 22:11:09 discard shit, focus on progress Mar 11 22:11:48 thresh, see this bug for some background anyway: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4032 Mar 11 22:12:31 i was asked if i want to use Collabora repository... Mar 11 22:12:32 thanks Mar 11 22:14:39 i really have a place in my heart for my G1 Mar 11 22:14:59 from time to time they ask us why we've not updated the packaging for haze etc in extras Mar 11 22:15:09 but they don't give us any time to work on it :P Mar 11 22:24:44 Robot101, clearly a Saturday night is called for. ;) Mar 11 23:14:23 lol figured a way around my problem : got my projects located on a my windows pc and shared it, got the share mounted on my ubuntu box, made symbolic link in home dir of scratchbox to the windows share and mount the share on my n810 as well. dev on windows, compile on unix box (using ssh) and directly run it on the device ^^ Mar 11 23:18:49 dev on windows, compile natively on arm, run :) Mar 11 23:19:59 :) Mar 11 23:20:11 do u compile on the device itself ? Mar 11 23:20:25 lcuk is an insane person Mar 11 23:20:30 hehe Mar 11 23:20:34 *sigh* Mar 11 23:21:07 i might be insane, but i know the limits of my machine and what its capable of Mar 11 23:21:29 i wish i had cluster of arm Mar 11 23:21:35 you have at least 2 Mar 11 23:21:58 i can only compile bikes with those Mar 11 23:23:32 * b-man has compiled allmost every single package in the ubuntu-n8x0 repo from his tablet Mar 11 23:23:43 gan, you nervous about the election yet?> Mar 11 23:24:06 lcuk, nah, why? Mar 11 23:26:53 cos its tomorrow Mar 11 23:28:29 if you fail you'll have to go back to alaska Mar 11 23:29:43 Back to? Mar 11 23:30:03 lol Mar 12 00:07:15 'night all - another Qt is uploading - see if I've fixed my build-deps :) Mar 12 00:14:01 Myrtti: Could you help me with a Gwibber issue? Mar 12 00:14:47 sure, but if it's a biggie I'd rather wait six hours or so Mar 12 00:15:03 shoot Mar 12 00:15:12 I'll have it in my backlog if nothing else Mar 12 00:15:14 Myrtti: I dunno if it's a biggie; no status updates from any of my accounts will show. Mar 12 00:15:25 robink: hardy? Mar 12 00:15:31 Myrtti: Gentoo Mar 12 00:15:34 oh. Mar 12 00:15:37 Gwibber 0.7.3 Mar 12 00:15:39 *0.7.2 Mar 12 00:15:45 check which version of python-webkit you've got Mar 12 00:15:46 I can give you versions of any of Gwibber's deps if you'd like. Mar 12 00:15:59 Myrtti: 1.0.2 Mar 12 00:16:19 Myrtti: I'm using a fairly recent SVN build of Webkit-GTK. Mar 12 00:16:19 there's a specific version of python-webkit I think is incompatible Mar 12 00:16:23 ah Mar 12 00:17:26 robink: Version: 1.0.1-0ubuntu2 Mar 12 00:17:31 that's what I have Mar 12 00:17:34 I'm using version 2.0.5 of egenix-mx-base. Mar 12 00:17:37 Myrtti: hmm Mar 12 00:17:48 Myrtti: 1.0.2 is the only version in the Gentoo ebuild tree. Mar 12 00:17:56 if you're in identica, poke @segphault :-) Mar 12 00:18:03 I recon he should be awake at this hour Mar 12 00:18:08 I don't think I am. Mar 12 00:18:24 or alternatively Mar 12 00:18:51 /connect irc.arstechnica.com and /join #gwibber Mar 12 00:19:02 or poke him in twitter or whatever. He's on most places Mar 12 00:19:13 Ah, OK Mar 12 00:20:01 I just signed up on identi.ca (I'm Haifen). Mar 12 00:38:14 anyone know where i can find rdiff-backup Mar 12 00:43:14 * b-man doesn't understand why he can't get a connection while he's chrooted in ubuntu - but is connected in maemo :P Mar 12 01:02:23 b-man, do you know where i can get rdiff backup Mar 12 01:02:25 for maemo Mar 12 01:21:57 anyone Mar 12 01:21:57 ? Mar 12 01:22:01 rdiff-backup Mar 12 01:24:47 * b-man is going to scream Mar 12 01:24:49 even apt-get and wget won't work in my ubuntu chroot - even when connected - pluse wifi-radar errors out when i'm booted in ubuntu now :( Mar 12 01:33:37 how do i get maemo to use this repo Mar 12 01:33:38 http://http.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/r/rdiff-backup/ Mar 12 01:34:59 * b-man screams Mar 12 01:42:54 b-man, what have you done Mar 12 01:45:18 Shadow_X: i'm not shure what's wrong, this just happened :P Mar 12 01:46:08 b-man, hmm thats weird and odd i have had weird issues before hey do you know how to add a debian repo to maemo and maybe you are having storage issues Mar 12 01:46:12 that caused the breaks Mar 12 01:48:13 Shadow_X: you can add the mirror to /etc/apt/sources.list, also, i have allmost 1 gb free Mar 12 01:48:49 1005 mb Mar 12 01:49:17 what do i put under the other stuff Mar 12 01:49:28 and i didnt mean what you ahd free Mar 12 01:49:35 i meant the integrety of the medium Mar 12 01:50:45 i'm running it on a sandisk card on an ext3 partition Mar 12 01:50:56 error check it Mar 12 01:51:26 it's clean Mar 12 01:51:30 hmm Mar 12 01:51:46 it also boots fine Mar 12 01:52:04 hmm Mar 12 01:52:43 but i can't get network acsess booted or in a chroot - even when i'm connected Mar 12 01:52:51 hmm Mar 12 01:52:54 in maemo Mar 12 01:53:00 my issue first? Mar 12 01:53:01 lol Mar 12 01:53:27 k, hold on... Mar 12 01:58:57 Shadow_X; add 'deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian squeeze main' to the file and then make a file called /etc/apt/preferences and add the following: Mar 12 01:58:59 Package: * Mar 12 01:59:20 hmm Mar 12 01:59:22 Pin: release a=sid Mar 12 01:59:34 where did you get squeeze from Mar 12 01:59:37 Pin-Priority: 300 Mar 12 02:00:09 i copyed it from the packages debian website Mar 12 02:00:50 ah i just want rdiff backup though Mar 12 02:02:05 slightly off-topic, but can anyone suggest a cheap ($1-200) gps that will show speed on even a monochrome screen and can interface with an n800? Cheaper is better. Mar 12 02:03:02 doc|home, can't recommend anything specific, but I'm sure Garmin has something. Mar 12 02:03:27 any keywords for the interface? Mar 12 02:03:33 Shadow_X: then change Package: * to Package: rdiff-backup - i think Mar 12 02:03:36 * doc|home has never done stuff with gps before Mar 12 02:04:15 Etrex is the line. Mar 12 02:04:33 oh, needs to be waterproof too. For watersport speed recording Mar 12 02:04:34 brb Mar 12 02:05:09 doc|home, I could recommend Bluetooth units and I could recommend color navigation units, but not monochrome stuff. ;) Mar 12 02:05:44 b-man there is nothing in sources.list Mar 12 02:06:30 GeneralAntilles, any ideas to get rdiff-backup on maemo Mar 12 02:06:38 you need to add the mirror i provided ;) Mar 12 02:07:08 doc|home, if you've got a West Marine in the area they should have some marine models on hand that you can play with before you buy. Mar 12 02:07:11 Shadow_X, any ideas with my problem btw? Mar 12 02:07:14 Shadow__X, um, no? Mar 12 02:07:23 b-man, sounds like something broek Mar 12 02:07:24 lol Mar 12 02:07:41 i would reinstall Mar 12 02:07:44 thats me Mar 12 02:08:59 :( i've had this same install for 3 months - and it has all of my dev software on it :( Mar 12 02:09:05 hmm Mar 12 02:09:19 it's pritty important to me.. Mar 12 02:09:26 right Mar 12 02:09:28 no backups? Mar 12 02:09:36 mm Mar 12 02:10:02 but it runs fine - even without network acsess Mar 12 02:11:35 i'm hoping that i can repair the problem without reinstallingubuntu Mar 12 02:11:49 *reinstalling ubuntu Mar 12 02:13:13 right Mar 12 02:13:22 hmm Mar 12 02:13:33 did you mess up with permissions Mar 12 02:13:36 GeneralAntilles: well, it's not a requirement that it be monochrome, just I'd expect it to be cheaper :) thanks, will look into them Mar 12 02:13:49 nope Mar 12 02:14:09 b-man on my sources.list file i get an error saying malformed line 1 dist parse Mar 12 02:14:21 hmm Mar 12 02:14:59 it was a spacing error Mar 12 02:15:02 i messed up Mar 12 02:15:08 oh Mar 12 02:16:39 if its not in the source.list where else does it keep repos Mar 12 02:21:51 Shadow_X: /etc/apt/sources.list.d Mar 12 02:22:54 ah Mar 12 02:23:06 also now it says invalid record in preferences file Mar 12 02:23:09 no package header Mar 12 02:23:54 hmm Mar 12 02:24:12 i have Package rdiff-backup Mar 12 02:24:24 Pin : release a=sid Mar 12 02:24:34 Pin-Priority:300 Mar 12 02:26:55 is that right Mar 12 02:29:00 now it says python-support (>= 0.7.1) Mar 12 02:29:07 broekn packages Mar 12 02:37:11 where i can get EFL* packages for my n800 ? Mar 12 02:38:40 Shadow_X: i'm back, sorry for disappearing - got interupted by parents :P Mar 12 02:39:36 its ok Mar 12 02:39:46 still isnt working Mar 12 02:39:47 :( Mar 12 02:39:57 hmm :( Mar 12 02:40:55 i'll pastebin what you need, hold on Mar 12 02:42:44 k thanks Mar 12 02:42:50 yawn Mar 12 02:45:00 The team has been braving temperatures as low as minus 40 degrees Fahrenheit/Celsius Mar 12 02:45:15 wtf is Fahrenheit/Celsius? did they merge or something? Mar 12 02:45:34 new dev version of temperature 5.3? Mar 12 02:46:22 -40F is also -40C. Mar 12 02:47:22 Shadow_X: http://pastebin.ca/1358722 - i hope this works Mar 12 02:48:57 re: http://pastebin.ca/1358724 Mar 12 02:51:28 how do i make sure it stays all in one line Mar 12 02:52:56 er.... Mar 12 02:53:04 40F is 4C Mar 12 02:55:01 Shadow_X: just copy and paste that information into those files Mar 12 02:56:25 Macer: Great. What does that have to do with -40F/C? Mar 12 02:58:21 ok.. that makes a little more sense Mar 12 02:58:50 i just thought it was odd Mar 12 02:59:29 b-man16, i typed it in but i am running update now it just takes so long Mar 12 02:59:56 k **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Mar 12 02:59:56 2009