**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Mar 13 02:59:57 2009 Mar 13 04:32:16 how can i get debian on my itt? Mar 13 04:44:06 MAGIC Mar 13 04:44:20 but that is only out route Mar 13 04:44:29 it's my favorite method though Mar 13 05:10:04 http://www.animelyrics.com/anime/gundamseed/akatsukinokuruma.htm Mar 13 05:10:06 that's an awesome song Mar 13 05:19:19 … Mar 13 07:00:54 blah Mar 13 07:11:14 it is a morning :-) Mar 13 07:12:05 really? Mar 13 07:13:26 Serge Foucher, president of Sony France, is being held "hostage" by angry workers whose plant is about to close. <=== it's a morning indeed Mar 13 07:24:04 x-fade: ping Mar 13 07:28:18 * Stskeeps yawns and stretches Mar 13 07:30:51 RST38h: a video tape manufacturing plant - are the workers really expecting that there is future in their job? :P Mar 13 07:31:47 * timeless frowns Mar 13 07:32:11 should 'sudo' for scratchbox be replaced by a script that says 'you should use fakeroot'? Mar 13 07:32:41 that's a good question :P Mar 13 07:41:49 sts? help Mar 13 07:41:55 morning Mar 13 07:41:56 https://bugs.maemo.org/attachment.cgi?id=1134 Mar 13 07:42:00 where is that app? Mar 13 07:42:21 https://garage.maemo.org/projects/osm2go/ ? Mar 13 07:42:23 yeah Mar 13 07:42:38 * timeless goes to make a bugzilla product for it Mar 13 07:42:56 they have a pretty active bug tracker in garage Mar 13 07:43:03 so they should probably be prodded :P Mar 13 07:43:59 i'll make it disabled and contact them somehow Mar 13 07:44:41 Hi! anybody use mplayer on nXXX from svn? Mar 13 07:48:42 * timeless kicks andrew chadwicdk Mar 13 07:48:48 s/dk/k/ Mar 13 07:50:12 btw, how have we gone about migrating bugs from tracker? Mar 13 07:57:38 * Stskeeps notes his beagle compiles much faster than his qemu. Mar 13 07:59:50 andre__: why isn't bug 761 imported? Mar 13 08:05:17 http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS3513779569.html Mar 13 08:05:35 Nokia announced a home automation system based on the open source OpenWrt Linux distribution. Due in late 2009, the Z-wave wireless radio-equipped Nokia Home Control Center will let users remotely control security, automation, and energy management applications via their mobile phones, says Nokia. Mar 13 08:05:58 yeah, no surprises Mar 13 08:06:16 also, old article Mar 13 08:06:32 there's an Mer article on LD now as well, and anyway, with NHCC, imagine it linked in with tablets. Mar 13 08:07:17 i really wonder why openwrt on a machine like that though Mar 13 08:07:25 533mhz, 256mb, 6gb internal storage :P Mar 13 08:08:05 * RST38h moos Mar 13 08:08:56 first build Q3a 35-60 fps on pandora Mar 13 08:09:10 hi Mar 13 08:09:47 is pandora released? Mar 13 08:09:51 does someone here have rss feed reader handy? Mar 13 08:09:54 (small test) Mar 13 08:10:16 for once i do Mar 13 08:12:06 add a new feed for: http://tinyurl.com/57so4h Mar 13 08:12:40 RST38h: no. CE testing now. Mar 13 08:12:50 http://www.w3.org/TR/Pointers-in-RDF/ Mar 13 08:13:08 ups, wrong channel Mar 13 08:13:09 sorry Mar 13 08:13:56 timeless: intended happening? Mar 13 08:14:02 i see tinyurl icon and "andre klapper's blog" Mar 13 08:14:59 ok Mar 13 08:16:02 shouldn't it be the icon of the redirected page? Mar 13 08:17:05 bug 935 Mar 13 08:18:26 stores the tinyurl for me Mar 13 08:19:02 in both fields? Mar 13 08:19:09 htmlUrl="http://blogs.gnome.org/aklapper" xmlUrl="http://tinyurl.com/57so4h" Mar 13 08:19:30 ah, i was just looking within the UI Mar 13 08:19:45 in feed details Mar 13 08:19:54 ui=junk :) Mar 13 08:21:13 correct, htmlUrl = the actual place, xmlurl = the xml url Mar 13 08:21:31 as in tiny url Mar 13 08:24:08 whoa Mar 13 08:24:10 jaiku is fast Mar 13 08:24:33 wow, someone is still using me as repository.maemo.org Mar 13 08:25:03 * timeless frowns Mar 13 08:25:24 mm? Mar 13 08:25:36 from the days when repository.maemo.org was broken Mar 13 08:25:39 i had a clone Mar 13 08:25:45 yeah, it shows up on google quite often Mar 13 08:25:52 Greetings all! Mar 13 08:25:57 actually Mar 13 08:26:02 Heya timeless and Stskeeps. Mar 13 08:26:03 maybe someone is spidering me? Mar 13 08:26:05 hi Mar 13 08:26:32 Either one of you two guys smart? *lol* Mar 13 08:27:10 I posted a question over on the Garnet board, was wondering if anyone would be willing to look at it. Mar 13 08:30:45 morning johnx Mar 13 08:31:53 is there a way for application to check underlying hardware version, N770/N800N810 ? Mar 13 08:32:14 /proc/component-version is one, but please don't crash or assume it's non-maemo if it doesn't exist :P Mar 13 08:36:33 timeless: pong ;) Mar 13 08:51:46 Morning, all Mar 13 08:52:46 so you guys think ARM type cpus have a good future now? Mar 13 08:52:50 i'd guess so Mar 13 08:53:22 people still want computing. and x86 is a dinosaur like detroit V8s Mar 13 08:53:45 google thinks v8 is the future :) Mar 13 08:54:13 yeah i'm starting to learn that whatever i think is 'good' is a bad investement Mar 13 08:54:19 and whatever is totally fucking evil is a good one Mar 13 08:55:37 pupnik_: Nah, I used to think Acorn were good - company went down the tubes but they'd've been a *fantastic* investment. Mar 13 08:56:32 really? Mar 13 08:56:37 cool Mar 13 08:56:44 They only went belly up as the bean counters got in charge of a computer company and realised that their 49% ARM holding was worth much more than any computers they could build. So they sold up, in exchange turning 1 Acorn Computers share (about 32p at the time, IIRC) into 2 ARM shares (about 32ukp at the time) Mar 13 08:56:53 maybe it's just my stupid brain trying to figure out some rules and regulatiry Mar 13 08:57:03 wow Mar 13 08:57:18 * pupnik_ tired Mar 13 09:05:31 Benson! Hey! Mar 13 09:12:44 EHLO ALL again Mar 13 09:12:58 ehlo Mar 13 09:13:30 morning Mar 13 09:14:51 So, have they beheaded that French Sony CEO ? =) Mar 13 09:18:58 Hiya ukki! :) Mar 13 09:19:21 What's a guy like you doing in a nice place like this, Ukki? *lol* Mar 13 09:20:01 good question Mar 13 09:20:38 same as you i guess Mar 13 09:20:39 Thanks! It took me six minutes to think that one up! :) Mar 13 09:23:06 Hey, real quick. What do you do for a living Ukki? Just curious, that's all. Mar 13 09:24:08 another good question Mar 13 09:24:15 my title is software designer Mar 13 09:24:34 but i never get to design anything really Mar 13 09:25:40 Sounds like you're well under your boss, Ukki. You deserve better. Mar 13 09:26:26 As much as I would like to stay and fluff your feathers, Ukki, I need to head off. Hope you have a great day and thanks again for all the efforts you put into Ruby! Mar 13 10:07:21 Stskeeps, http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS4893289864.html?kc=rss Mar 13 10:07:22 :) Mar 13 10:07:34 yeah, saw this morning Mar 13 10:08:04 no ipks this time :) Mar 13 10:08:06 eheheh Mar 13 10:08:25 i'm not entirely fond of the fact they gave a subscriber link within the article but yeah.. Mar 13 10:09:16 lol Mar 13 10:10:43 in either way it's good that we get some exposure as we really do have an interesting project :P Mar 13 10:28:35 ping Mar 13 10:28:44 pong Mar 13 10:28:59 plank Mar 13 10:32:21 Reading the mer article, I read the part of the omap2 graphics drivers. Is that the part where we're actually going to gain access to the powervr (or am I being too optimistic? :P) Mar 13 10:33:09 ElPollo: Quim is talking to TI for that. There is hope, but you never know ;) Mar 13 10:33:30 ElPollo: See http://wiki.maemo.org/Drivers_justification (and its talk page) Mar 13 10:34:12 X-Fade: :D @Jaffa: Yeah, keeping track on that one. Mar 13 10:41:52 timeless, why should 761 be imported? Mar 13 10:58:57 wEll, it should e fixed Mar 13 10:58:59 ElPollo: Mer doesn't rely on getting those drivers though Mar 13 10:59:14 but it'd be really nice if we did have them Mar 13 10:59:28 If the spec and owners aren't doing something... Then they need a bug Mar 13 11:07:06 Stskeeps: Nah.. I'm not getting my hopes up, but it'd be nice... very nice. Mar 13 12:04:27 Hello guys, is it possible to get a totally console-only instalation of maemo, from which one can do, i.e., 'apt-get install hildon' and you get it? Mar 13 12:04:57 for what purpose perhaps? Mar 13 12:05:54 Stskeeps: I don't know, maybe for having always the last hildon version... Mar 13 12:06:12 or having a console-only internet tablet :) Mar 13 12:06:51 hehe. only thing i can see would be either 1) hacking up fb console mode for Maemo itself and go insane at the shell or 2) install ubuntu or mer Mar 13 12:06:55 :P Mar 13 12:08:17 Oh yess: http://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-728 Mar 13 12:08:24 Lol @770&800 console only :P Mar 13 12:09:05 ElPollo: with USB keyboard it isn't extremely unreasonable Mar 13 12:13:25 Stskeeps: True.. true Mar 13 12:22:33 hi guys, anyone using eclipse+pluthon? The console was working ok to begin with but now output only appears after the python code ends Mar 13 12:29:02 hi everyone! Mar 13 12:29:44 does anyone here is working with maemo barcode? Mar 13 13:42:42 re Mar 13 14:27:14 hi, is there a special irc channel for N810 device ? Mar 13 14:27:37 t-nor: you are there Mar 13 14:28:10 suihkulokki: thanks, i have problems to install some packages Mar 13 14:28:44 http://pastebin.com/m2159ea05 Mar 13 14:28:52 here is the error Mar 13 14:28:57 how could i fox it ? Mar 13 14:29:03 s/fox/fix Mar 13 14:29:36 t-nor: I dunno the qt libs, but you /could/ use dpkg --force Mar 13 14:36:11 t-nor, you likely want to remove the libphonon4 -package, as it is essentially the same as libqt4-phonon Mar 13 14:45:39 ARM-based platform makers including Qualcomm and Freescale are looking to unveil netbooks at this year's Computex trade show in Taipei. Mar 13 14:46:04 no surprises Mar 13 14:51:54 BTW, looks like iPhone 3.0 OS (to be unveiled on Tuesday) will include Bluetooth tethering Mar 13 14:53:02 $10 it'll only work on the 3rd gen Cortex iPhone being announced the week after. ;) Mar 13 14:53:59 * Jaffa tries to resist a comment about delivering features users want in an actual announced device Mar 13 14:54:27 cos, y'know, we don't know anyone who's sitting on something ;-) Mar 13 14:55:18 when is the election over, btw? Mar 13 14:55:22 * RST38h wonders what happens when Steve Jobs finally dies Mar 13 14:55:51 Will the faithful bury him in a huge crystal cube somewhere in California and visit him on the annual basis? Mar 13 14:56:07 Can we actually hope for a decent full fledged cult? Mar 13 14:56:22 Maybe some truly interesting sacrifice ritual? Mar 13 14:57:17 Stskeeps: Err, a week after the start. So mid next week. Mar 13 14:57:21 k Mar 13 14:57:59 RST38h: That's a bit out of order. He's still a human being, and cancer's not really a laughing matter Mar 13 16:19:06 hi, can't seem to find screen, is it under diffrent name? Mar 13 16:19:54 hmhm, wtf Mar 13 16:19:56 http://product.iriver.co.kr/p_d35_feat.asp Mar 13 16:20:01 http://product.iriver.co.kr/p_d31_multi.asp Mar 13 16:22:26 thux: as in the console app, `screen'? Mar 13 16:23:30 Jaffa: yes Mar 13 16:24:12 It's in the SDK repo, dunno about tools or extras Mar 13 16:24:23 I *think* there's a mud-recipe for it, so it'd be trivial to put into extras Mar 13 16:24:45 ok thanks Mar 13 17:14:43 Stskeeps: it's still going... Mar 13 17:14:55 lbt: yeah, and i even have a beagle trying alongside :P Mar 13 17:15:36 i wonder if it'll be done before 0.10 ;) Mar 13 17:15:37 any mileage in re-building ubuntu gcc Mar 13 17:15:41 heh Mar 13 17:17:13 argh Mar 13 17:17:25 I just remembered another build thing I had to frig Mar 13 17:17:39 it tries to run qmake or moc Mar 13 17:17:54 but it only has qmake-qt4 or moc-qt4 Mar 13 17:18:41 how do i attach a signing key to my garage account (already created)? Mar 13 17:18:51 lbt: well it built on x86 so Mar 13 17:19:06 then it'll prolly build on armel Mar 13 17:19:07 true Mar 13 17:19:45 I'm going to write some docs... Mar 13 17:20:47 what players can play mp3/etc other DSP processor? Mar 13 17:22:21 hmm.. what to do when I haven't received my voting instructions e-mail? Mar 13 17:24:20 probably because one of my secondary email addresses can no longer receive mail... Mar 13 17:26:29 Mek: email dneary Mar 13 17:26:52 (dneary@maemo.org) Mar 13 17:27:06 thanks Mar 13 17:28:25 Include your maemo.org username and I guess he can invalidate the token against the secondary address and issue a new one against the primary Mar 13 17:44:36 is mplayer/maemo port on garage dead? Mar 13 18:07:20 * RST38h moos lazily Mar 13 18:10:45 * GeneralAntilles is too lazy to do an oil change. Mar 13 18:12:12 Beagle Board site was updated Mar 13 18:12:28 new board or? Mar 13 18:12:35 ah Mar 13 18:12:38 points to Mer on front page Mar 13 18:12:38 neat Mar 13 18:13:32 (as in, beagleboard.org) Mar 13 18:29:07 Stskeeps, the Garage project page. Mar 13 18:29:20 GAN800: yeah, just saw Mar 13 18:29:22 looks nice Mar 13 18:29:59 Nobody knows how to show decent screenshots. Mar 13 18:30:28 I can't believe the alpha shipped with a background that has to be upscaled. Mar 13 18:49:39 * lcuk takes a holiday day Mar 13 19:16:45 hello world Mar 13 19:16:53 very short post, then I have to leave Mar 13 19:17:04 http://blog.jeremiahfoster.com/?p=57 Mar 13 19:17:13 Synergy working on the N810 Mar 13 19:36:50 Libel Suits OK Even If Libel Is Truthful Mar 13 19:36:54 hehe Mar 13 19:43:34 hey folks Mar 13 19:45:28 OT question: I have a laptop. I need to boot it into a LiveCD environment, and take a disk image of the hard drive, which I need to dump onto my desktop over my LAN. I have no intermediate storage media capable of holding the image. What's the easiest method of getting it onto the other computer? Mar 13 19:45:39 I can think of a few ways, but I don't know which would be simpest Mar 13 19:45:43 simplest* Mar 13 19:47:11 <`0660> netcat Mar 13 19:47:16 haha Mar 13 19:47:29 I'm thinking not Mar 13 19:47:30 what about a nfs mount? Mar 13 19:47:30 ;) Mar 13 19:47:50 that would work... but I don't have that set up on the receiving machine Mar 13 19:47:55 I was thinking of sshfs Mar 13 19:47:58 rsync? scp? Mar 13 19:47:58 what's wrong with netcat? Mar 13 19:48:02 but I've had issues with that in the past Mar 13 19:48:05 * Myrtti doesn't know Mar 13 19:48:17 <`0660> i like netcat Mar 13 19:48:33 Myrtti: I can't store the image anywhere before transferrring it Mar 13 19:48:36 that's what makes this fun Mar 13 19:48:51 I have to image the HDD directly onto the other computer's hard drive Mar 13 19:48:56 i think netcat or nfs would be the easiest Mar 13 19:49:01 okay Mar 13 19:49:03 thanks Mar 13 19:49:23 it's a new laptop, so I'm rather excited to get it up and running Mar 13 19:49:38 well, new to me, and in good condition - it's a Dell Latitude D630 Mar 13 19:49:51 :-D congrats Mar 13 19:49:54 I have D830 Mar 13 19:50:00 though - erm Mar 13 19:50:02 "cat /dev/[sh]d |nc target port" or so on the client Mar 13 19:50:19 I'd really want the soundchip drivers to do pc speaker Mar 13 19:50:24 and "nc -l -p port > file" on the server Mar 13 19:50:29 if i remember correctly Mar 13 19:50:42 till__: thanks - I'd seen similar examples, but I hadn't played around with nc before Mar 13 19:50:45 I'll try that Mar 13 19:50:59 i used it for dvb stream over ethernet Mar 13 19:51:56 * Myrtti huggles her D630 Mar 13 19:52:40 I wanted decent reso, so I opted for D830 Mar 13 19:53:07 I wanted a laptop. Mar 13 19:53:09 :-D Mar 13 19:53:37 yay netcat - I'm getting blinkenlights :D Mar 13 19:54:04 forgot the > file ? Mar 13 19:54:09 inz: well, this is a "free on loan until you're out of school" deal, so I'm not complaining, although WXGA is a bit painful Mar 13 19:54:20 till__: no, it seems to be working fine Mar 13 19:54:24 that was what I meant Mar 13 19:54:40 fine Mar 13 19:55:18 i rembered the raw dvb-s stream comming out as very interesting characters Mar 13 19:55:26 no doubt Mar 13 19:55:36 :) Mar 13 19:55:41 well, I'm off to get a haircut while I wait Mar 13 19:55:48 I'll be back in a little while Mar 13 19:56:03 hf Mar 13 20:27:08 hello, does anyone know how can i get battery status, installed SO info, memory available... from N8x0 device? Mar 13 20:31:45 nickmack: see http://nitapps.com/ Mar 13 20:32:11 k... tyvm Mar 13 21:08:26 is there a video of the maemo 5 ui running at fullspeed anywhere? Mar 13 21:10:46 if not, could someone make one and upload it. i would like to see it as it is intended and its extremely frustrating seeing it slow Mar 13 21:43:02 hello, b-man Mar 13 21:43:24 hello, jaem :) Mar 13 21:44:17 I think I'll take another shot at Ubuntu... seeing as I've probably just toasted my Maemo install Mar 13 21:44:41 I was trying to switch bash packages, and it got half-removed and now won't install the new one Mar 13 21:44:51 some post-install script error >_< Mar 13 21:47:29 * b-man hates his connection :P Mar 13 21:47:34 :( Mar 13 21:47:52 I got a new laptop today, and it came with a WinXP/Ubuntu dual-boot Mar 13 21:47:58 on ext2, for some reason :S Mar 13 21:48:14 in any case, I'm wiping it, so it doesn't bother me, but seems like a bad idea Mar 13 21:51:14 hmm Mar 13 21:51:35 i'd save ubuntu :) Mar 13 21:52:25 (by backing it up on another drive) Mar 13 21:55:49 jeam: what brand of laptop? Mar 13 21:56:17 re: jaem - sorry :p Mar 13 21:56:51 <||cw> jaem: on hdd or flash? Mar 13 21:56:55 jaem, rtfm about your laptop, you might regret blanket wiping it, check you have recovery disks Mar 13 21:57:33 * lcuk made a set with his x41, keeping the xp license and disk might be useful one day Mar 13 22:04:01 b-man: Dell Latitude D630 Mar 13 22:04:12 ||cw: HDD Mar 13 22:04:40 lcuk: it was used, and didn't come with any way of reinstalling anything Mar 13 22:04:50 besides, I'm imaging it first Mar 13 22:05:29 it's technically on extended loan, and the people I'm getting it from technically don't allow you to wipe it and install what you want, so I'll just restore from the image before I send it back Mar 13 22:05:39 and I don't plan on using WinXP Mar 13 22:05:43 it annoys the heck out of me Mar 13 22:05:47 although not as much as Vista Mar 13 22:06:15 * b-man dislikes Windows :P Mar 13 22:06:45 * b-man would rather go with os x :) Mar 13 22:07:09 ooh... squashfs-ing this 80GB image on a dual-core Atom is going to be painful :( Mar 13 22:07:25 hm Mar 13 22:07:30 anybody know how to use scratchbox2 on non-deb distro? Mar 13 22:09:11 vasily_pupkin: what are you running? Mar 13 22:09:22 (os) Mar 13 22:09:36 b-man: gentoo Mar 13 22:09:51 b-man: i try to compile recent non-maemo mplayer :] Mar 13 22:10:05 :) Mar 13 22:10:17 * b-man searches google Mar 13 22:10:18 grr... I don't know where all of my ethernet cable has gone... Mar 13 22:10:56 my friend's dorm prompted a theory that cable tangle is actually a form of nest, and if left undisturbed for long enough, will produce baby rackmount switches Mar 13 22:11:05 so maybe my cable is running off with his... Mar 13 22:11:08 :P Mar 13 22:12:53 gentoo + scratchbox/maemo = funreal Mar 13 22:14:13 vasily_pupkin: i can't seem to find any results :( Mar 13 22:15:27 yep ^_^ Mar 13 22:16:03 may be anybody know how properly setup new compiler to scratchbox-1? Mar 13 22:18:24 * b-man wonders how crazy it would be to compile Scratchbox2 to run on the armel architecture Mar 13 22:19:18 b-man: pretty crazy Mar 13 22:19:26 hehe Mar 13 22:19:39 for what? :] Mar 13 22:20:05 we need a massive cluster of N810s for compiling Mar 13 22:20:09 on-tablet porting/developing :) Mar 13 22:20:11 like the hh.org guys Mar 13 22:20:38 although theirs were custom ARM servers, I believe Mar 13 22:20:41 * b-man compiled every package in the ubuntu-n8x0 repo on his tablet Mar 13 22:20:53 * jaem claps for b-man Mar 13 22:21:30 gcc doesn't run too bad :) Mar 13 22:21:40 interesting, DSP works only on old OS2006 OS2007 Mar 13 22:21:48 but how about OS2008? Mar 13 22:22:00 (at mplayer's dspmp3) Mar 13 22:22:19 dsp runs in Diablo Mar 13 22:22:31 dsp_did Mar 13 22:23:10 * b-man looks at the proseses running on his tablet Mar 13 22:23:20 vasily_pupkin, DSP drops the CPU to 320MHz Mar 13 22:23:28 Which is actually slower than only CPU at 400MHz Mar 13 22:26:19 hm Mar 13 22:26:49 i.e. [ "$DSP" -eq "peace of shit" ] ? :] Mar 13 22:27:03 lol Mar 13 22:28:30 heh. Mar 13 22:29:05 * vasily_pupkin push some strange toolchain with gcc 4.3.3 to scratchbox-1 Mar 13 22:31:17 but seems like my frankenshtein don't want to live Mar 13 22:33:41 vasily_pupkin: about ARM vs. DSP clock frequencies: http://maemo.org/news/announcements/1184097560/ Mar 13 22:34:18 vasily_pupkin: I used scratchbox-1 quite fine in gentoo just a year ago Mar 13 22:34:39 GeneralAntilles: am i odd for not giving a rats ass if it is kernel blob or closed source libs for powervr under similar scheme as the rest of 3rd party hw interfacing , as long as we get them? (kernel ko might be a problem in long term) Mar 13 22:35:00 no, you aren't Mar 13 22:35:33 as long as we can use the provided api i dont mind if its open or closed Mar 13 22:35:34 Stskeeps, yes, you also hate freedom, I bet. Mar 13 22:35:40 Users generally don't give a rat's ass about IP issues. They want shit to work. Mar 13 22:35:48 vasily_pupkin: there should be even scratchbox ebuilds available in gentoo bugzilla Mar 13 22:35:50 amen Mar 13 22:36:13 GeneralAntilles: yes, i am a raving anti-gnubie Mar 13 22:36:40 binary drivers in linux are eventually orthogonal with "things just working fur users" :P Mar 13 22:37:02 suihkulokki: that's true, but getting it working is at least a first step Mar 13 22:37:03 suihkulokki: Yes, but users will care about that then, not now. Mar 13 22:37:07 Eventually, but hopefully the hardware will be more or less obsolete by that time. Mar 13 22:37:09 I'd rather have half-working than not-working Mar 13 22:37:12 ^ Mar 13 22:37:16 I'm with GeneralAntilles. Mar 13 22:37:25 I'd rather have drivers that we can use now, then work on getting the open source later. Mar 13 22:37:25 New OMAP, new set of issues. Mar 13 22:38:16 * suihkulokki hates half-working stuff Mar 13 22:38:35 the oss ko and closed source libs seems fairly sane though Mar 13 22:38:51 eabi isn't going anywhere atm Mar 13 22:39:27 Uh-huh, and that's why we're still using a 2.6.18 kernel when the rest of the world is working on 2.6.30. Mar 13 22:39:55 .21 Mar 13 22:40:03 Yeha, .21, sorry. Mar 13 22:40:12 Still, several years old. Mar 13 22:40:22 heck, all my computers run a 2.4.x kernel ;) Mar 13 22:40:24 just kidding Mar 13 22:40:54 derf: at least it isn't like the Zaurii using 2.4 :x Mar 13 22:40:59 and nothing really stops us from using stlc now and re-implementing oss n8x0 things again on new kernel api Mar 13 22:41:18 2.6.28 ran on my 770. Mar 13 22:41:34 how about power management on kernel > 2.6.21? Mar 13 22:41:57 Right. That is the far more important bit. Mar 13 22:42:08 I wouldn't mind terribly if there was no sound on the tablet at all. Mar 13 22:42:34 * robink wonders if you need the Boingo software to use Boingo on an N810. Mar 13 22:42:36 is it possible to run a machine with multiple kernels using the virtual machine stuff we saw a couple of weeks ago Mar 13 22:42:49 lcuk: that's not out yet Mar 13 22:43:07 vasily_pupkin, maemomplayer's mp3dsp went through gstreamer, but gstreamer changed and is no longer compatible to be used that way Mar 13 22:43:16 lcuk: and from their website, they seemed for concerned about using VMs for locking users out of DRM and such than letting us hack around with it Mar 13 22:43:20 or atleast the memo mplayer porter said that here :) Mar 13 22:43:39 jaem, im not tihnking specifically about their implementation, but could you "technically" do it Mar 13 22:44:06 well, there is/was an ARM port of Xen - I don't think that really went anywhere, though Mar 13 22:45:01 ShadowJK: maemo mplayer still alive? O_O Mar 13 22:45:13 no idea :) Mar 13 22:45:41 vasily_pupkin, if you manage to compile a plain mplayer-svn, do benchmark :) Mar 13 22:45:56 vasily_pupkin: it depends on your definition of word 'alive' Mar 13 22:46:19 I know there has been lots of ARM work done, but I don't know if it was all optimizing for the newer ARM... Mar 13 22:46:55 ssvb: 8 month of inactivity == coma imho Mar 13 22:47:08 it can still be re-animated at will Mar 13 22:48:12 vasily_pupkin: plays videos quite fine here Mar 13 22:48:18 shhh, its sleeping Mar 13 22:48:37 yes, I even rebuild it with enca :) Mar 13 22:48:46 but.. Mar 13 22:52:34 good to see http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/ getting filled :D Mar 13 22:54:20 vasily_pupkin: there should be 1.0rc3 upstream mplayer release soon, and by your definition upstream is also in coma ;) Mar 13 22:56:21 ssvb: 1.0rc3 _maemo_ mplayer? :) Mar 13 22:56:58 vasily_pupkin: 1.0rc3 mplayer from http://www.mplayerhq.hu/ Mar 13 22:57:16 hm Mar 13 22:57:47 i don't look at rc numbers. just svn up shows what is what ^_^ Mar 13 22:58:52 hm, so is there svn activity in maemo mplayer too? :) Mar 13 22:59:34 no at all :] Mar 13 23:00:05 (at garage svn at least) Mar 13 23:00:18 ShadowJK: not really, but end result is the same :) Mar 13 23:01:02 I probably asked a few months ago, but I forgot, whether there's been any ARM improvements in upstream mplayer/libav* Mar 13 23:01:13 relevant for N8x0 Mar 13 23:01:40 maybe just a few, there are mostly ARMv7 NEON optimizations Mar 13 23:02:38 yeah Mar 13 23:02:49 is omapfb significantly faster then xv? Mar 13 23:03:01 wow Mar 13 23:03:01 vasily_pupkin: no Mar 13 23:03:02 WOW Mar 13 23:03:05 WOOOOW Mar 13 23:03:16 mplayer-svn successfuly builded with gcc 4.3.2 Mar 13 23:03:17 (% Mar 13 23:03:19 It's faster for me, but I forgot why that was Mar 13 23:04:13 ok. are there some benchs to check speed of this crap? Mar 13 23:05:07 ShadowJK: yes, it's actually faster a bit, but XV is quite competitive: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=26538 Mar 13 23:05:16 hm. maemo-mplayer: 8MB, my mplayer: 3Mb.. Mar 13 23:05:21 whats the hell.. Mar 13 23:05:53 ShadowJK: XV got some optimimizations in the latest diablo updates Mar 13 23:06:25 Do I have latest if I've tapped OK to the orange blinking icon.. Mar 13 23:07:48 fuck. I build it with GLIBC 2.7 Mar 13 23:07:49