**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Mar 14 02:59:57 2009 Mar 14 03:21:28 Hello Mar 14 03:29:30 Hello, AndrewFBl :) Mar 14 06:23:17 Hey guys! Got a real quick question if someone can answer it for me. :) Mar 14 06:24:25 In file manager, if you click on a file it doesn't know what to do with, how can I add an additional application where it states "Select an application from the list to open file" Mar 14 06:24:58 Because the one I would like to use isn't in the list. Mar 14 06:32:05 Addison: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17757 Mar 14 06:32:35 Thank you ukki! Mar 14 06:36:58 Oh dear lord ukki, that looks incredibly confusing for me. Do you have it installed already? Mar 14 06:37:47 no Mar 14 06:39:04 I wanted to test a theory about highlighting a ton of .prc and .pdb files and opening them up with Garnet VM. The desktop windows version lets you do this, just wondering if it was the same for the handheld one. Mar 14 06:39:25 That way you wouldn't have to install them one by one. Mar 14 06:41:52 does it accept command line parameters? Mar 14 06:42:50 I wouldn't know. Sorry. Mar 14 06:43:55 i haven't tried it so can't help you there Mar 14 06:44:42 but you could try something like: /usr/bin/gvm --help in xterm (not sure what the correct binary is though) Mar 14 06:48:40 hello folks Mar 14 06:49:22 I've been trying to compile E17 for b-man's Ubuntu, with neatojone's original DEB... Mar 14 06:49:34 and it keeps erroring out, saying the device is full Mar 14 06:49:49 however, the only full device according to df is /mnt/initfs, which makes little sense to me Mar 14 06:50:12 I doublechecked, and the mmc is mounted at /mnt/jaunty, not just /mnt (which I could see causing problems) Mar 14 06:50:17 any ideas? Mar 14 06:52:37 I'm not seeing a help file there ukki... Mar 14 06:52:38 http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/755/screenshot2009031401484.png Mar 14 06:52:51 /tmp full, and too small, k Mar 14 06:52:54 jaem Mar 14 06:54:04 okay... how do I increase the size? Come to think of it, I've never actually looked into how /tmp is handled Mar 14 06:54:47 never mind... found it Mar 14 06:56:25 never mind... I didn't :P Mar 14 07:00:18 compile within junty Mar 14 07:01:00 COFFEE Mar 14 07:01:04 word of today Mar 14 07:05:13 definately Mar 14 07:10:00 sts: I was doing so Mar 14 07:50:43 sts: is there anything else I'm doing wrong? Mar 14 07:51:24 jaem_afk: compiling on device would be one i guess :P Mar 14 07:51:54 well, yes, but I was turned off by the list of things that didn't work right in the precompiled version, and the note that neatojones wasn't going to maintain the packages Mar 14 07:51:56 but are you actually inside jaunty when compiling? Mar 14 07:51:58 however justified that may be Mar 14 07:52:01 yes, I am Mar 14 07:52:22 I cp'd the DEB into the chroot, and ran the install/compile from within the chroot environment Mar 14 07:52:56 ok, and that's the problem :P Mar 14 07:53:18 okay, okay - I'll try the pkgs Mar 14 07:54:19 you want to do it while -booted into- jaunty Mar 14 07:54:58 Oh... Mar 14 07:55:05 ah, that would actually make /sense/ Mar 14 07:55:07 lol Mar 14 08:03:17 yeah. i repair it Mar 14 08:50:35 crap. mplayer from upstream runs awfully Mar 14 09:05:21 hello Mar 14 09:05:25 is gypsy in maemo? Mar 14 09:05:32 if so: does it enable the gps in the n810? Mar 14 09:08:04 anybody awake? Mar 14 09:09:29 i am but don't know answer ;) Mar 14 09:10:27 udovdh, never heard of it but perhaps google will know Mar 14 09:10:39 it sort of like gpsd Mar 14 09:10:43 but different Mar 14 09:10:48 a replacement Mar 14 09:10:51 fremantle etc Mar 14 09:11:34 for building gypsy for n810 we need this patch http://bugzilla.o-hand.com/show_bug.cgi?id=729 Mar 14 09:11:44 no matter how much you try to describe it it wont magically enter my memory, go look yourself Mar 14 09:11:55 but the patch expects a header file that is no longer in libgpsbt Mar 14 09:12:03 of my OE environment Mar 14 09:12:12 so I am looking for a pre-built deb Mar 14 09:14:42 libgpsbt-dev maybe? Mar 14 09:25:23 Stskeeps, no, that package only gives me a gpsbt.h Mar 14 09:25:35 hm, ok Mar 14 09:25:36 with no function like the ones I search Mar 14 09:25:45 look for it in the older releases? Mar 14 09:26:02 I am bould to the openembedded environment for now Mar 14 09:26:08 and there is not many releases Mar 14 09:26:12 is gypsy better than minigpsd? Mar 14 09:26:15 see http://bugzilla.o-hand.com/attachment.cgi?id=447 for the patch Mar 14 09:26:22 dunno Mar 14 09:26:27 but it shouldn't leak Mar 14 09:26:30 be quick Mar 14 09:26:33 isnt minigpsd written in python Mar 14 09:26:34 use few resources Mar 14 09:26:40 and run on the n810 Mar 14 09:26:57 i.e.: enable the gps, wait for a fix and relay the nmea data Mar 14 09:27:11 hm Mar 14 09:27:15 now one cna use gpsd and libgpsbt/mgr to enable the gps Mar 14 09:27:29 but the cleanest solution for the n810 is what we are looking for Mar 14 09:27:48 if there is a simple way to enable the gps from the application (navit) Mar 14 09:27:55 that could be fine as well Mar 14 09:28:09 but then other apps have difficulty to share the data? Mar 14 09:28:33 so: osso-gpsd works (with libgpsbt/gpsmgr) Mar 14 09:28:49 I cannot build gypsy with OE for n810 because gpsctl.h is missing Mar 14 09:29:00 anlternatives welcome Mar 14 09:32:19 minigpsd written on C Mar 14 09:32:31 ah Mar 14 09:32:47 shouldnt be too bad then Mar 14 09:33:21 but status bar, and other crap - with python :D Mar 14 09:33:32 meh Mar 14 09:34:37 ye. extrem #2: reinstalling xserver..... Mar 14 09:34:56 vasily_pupkin, status bar? Mar 14 09:35:01 we just need a daemon Mar 14 09:35:05 it is in maemo? Mar 14 09:35:11 so I cna install easily? Mar 14 09:35:39 udovdh: em? Mar 14 09:35:42 it can enable the gps on the n810? Mar 14 09:35:54 em> Mar 14 09:35:56 ? Mar 14 09:36:10 udovdh: hm. i dunno what it doing, but I can use it with maemo mapper :) Mar 14 09:36:24 I uninstalled mapper because we have navit Mar 14 09:36:56 i couldn't set up navit+minigpsd Mar 14 09:37:11 seems like gpsd is hardcoded dep in navit Mar 14 09:37:39 i'll write bug report to navit team in sunday, or later Mar 14 09:49:25 vasily_pupkin, not so hardcoded Mar 14 09:49:32 it depends on how you build navit Mar 14 09:49:41 and we're looking into alternatives Mar 14 09:49:50 so trac tickets Mar 14 09:49:52 and patches Mar 14 09:49:55 and suggestions welcome Mar 14 09:49:58 see #navit Mar 14 09:50:13 http://trac.navit-project.org/ Mar 14 09:50:25 http://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/Navit_on_OpenEmbedded_for_n810 Mar 14 10:21:20 anybody know, where is microb-engine svn? Mar 14 10:21:26 i found only /debian Mar 14 10:21:27 O_o Mar 14 10:23:02 hi, something strange, irssi works well, but screen irssi doesn't loud backspace key? (diablo n800) Mar 14 10:25:16 some screen terminal thing? Mar 14 10:38:20 mmmmmmmmm blt Mar 14 10:40:20 lcuk: has lcukx41 faked your name? Mar 14 10:42:44 thopiekar: why would a fake me come in talking about blt Mar 14 10:43:00 jake is on my big pooter, just a mo Mar 14 10:43:27 http://www.mail-archive.com/maemo-users@maemo.org/msg09524.html Mar 14 10:43:33 where can I find info on liblocation? Mar 14 10:44:16 lcukx41 is me Mar 14 10:44:27 :P Mar 14 10:44:29 * lcuk hates vnc and is being shouted at Mar 14 10:44:51 jake said "dad im trying to play beebies" Mar 14 10:45:02 thanks thopiekar for gettin me in trouble Mar 14 10:46:30 chill lcuk it was just a mistake.. sry :) Mar 14 10:47:29 lol thankfully now i restored his window he carried on playing Mar 14 10:52:58 * lcukx41 needs telekinesis Mar 14 10:57:10 we know the palm pre replaces the older stuff, but can you still run the older stuff in with the pre Mar 14 10:59:12 grrrr its getting to be a lottery whether the device will survive the night Mar 14 11:08:23 mpf, the address search is maemo mapper is painful Mar 14 11:08:32 it keeps saying “invalid address” Mar 14 11:57:41 have we run out of credits for the irc chan Mar 14 11:57:51 saturday mornings are usually active Mar 14 11:58:38 mm Mar 14 11:58:51 im in a car on way south atm Mar 14 11:59:06 is mrs sts driving? Mar 14 11:59:23 and how is the connection? Mar 14 12:00:41 lcukx41, yeah Mar 14 12:00:54 udovdh, not complaining atm Mar 14 12:01:13 but technology-wise? Mar 14 12:01:28 * Myrtti yawns Mar 14 12:01:44 udovdh, 3g tethered to tablet through my SE phone Mar 14 12:02:20 ah. I see... Mar 14 12:02:27 not bad Mar 14 12:02:48 have a decent data plan so Mar 14 12:03:07 it's normally worse in train Mar 14 12:03:46 best data plan of all is using someone elses 3g phone :D Mar 14 12:03:56 * lcukx41 gets Myrtti a coffee Mar 14 12:04:15 hehe Mar 14 12:04:30 StsN800: how long have you been driving for? Mar 14 12:04:53 lcuk, an hour or so Mar 14 12:05:26 excellent :D wind your missus up, with your straightest face, look over at her and be all concerned and go "shit!!!! i left [something important] on" Mar 14 12:06:19 I left my n800 on! Mar 14 12:06:24 no wait, Mar 14 12:06:27 lol Mar 14 12:06:43 had to restart tablet cos something in kernel got crashed by browser Mar 14 12:06:44 "sweetie, did you lock the front door" Mar 14 12:07:05 is there a way to do that without pulling off the battery? Mar 14 12:07:13 lcuk, before going we checked that Mar 14 12:07:47 lol StsN800 still worth puttin a few minutes of wondering in Mar 14 12:08:15 im gonna make a robot one day to patrol and send results back Mar 14 12:11:11 "c is for cookie, thats good enough for me" Mar 14 12:11:22 "b is for bacon, thats good enough for ME" Mar 14 12:25:53 is m5 keeping most of its apps from m4, ie skype? Mar 14 12:26:56 no clue Mar 14 12:27:38 StsN800, hi. how's mer going? tried linux-omap kernel? Mar 14 12:27:57 slonopotamus, working on ui stuff atm Mar 14 12:28:30 StsN800, ah, right. you showed screenshots a couple of weeks ago Mar 14 12:28:48 saw the lwn and linuxdevices article? Mar 14 12:29:18 nope. on whhat topic? Mar 14 12:30:24 on mer Mar 14 12:32:20 http://linuxdevices.com/news/NS4893289864.html Mar 14 12:34:01 'The most recent release, Mer 0.9, runs Linux kernel 2.6.28 and ships with a working Hildon desktop environment, writes Hillis.' Mar 14 12:34:05 really? Mar 14 12:34:37 some factual errors in lwn article Mar 14 12:35:05 he tried the vmdk, which does have 2.6.28.. Mar 14 13:36:12 anyone else here doing anything with Qt on diablo? Mar 14 13:36:47 I have a tiny test case I'd like runnig - needs a Qt capable build-env though... Mar 14 13:39:02 argh Mar 14 13:39:19 microb-engine is unbuildle Mar 14 13:50:48 hi all. i just received a new n810 with the latest diablo updates and maemo mapper. when i run maemo mapper the gps does not turn on by itself. but if i use "map" the gps goes up and i can use maemo mapper. any hint? Mar 14 13:50:55 tried google, but it was a bit inconclusive Mar 14 13:51:52 you want it to automatically turn on the gps or you want to be able to turn it on? Mar 14 13:52:44 i want maemo mapper to be able to, and to turn it on when i "enable gps" Mar 14 13:53:34 perhaps maemo mapper remembers that on/off state from last time Mar 14 13:53:51 nop Mar 14 13:54:21 it can't connect to gpsd daemon because it's not running Mar 14 13:54:30 but if i start "map" the daemon is started Mar 14 14:05:45 vasily_pupkin: what kind of audio decoder did you use with upstream mplayer? have you compiled mplayer with right optimization options (ex. hardware floating point support enabled)? Mar 14 14:06:09 vasily_pupkin: for XV output, have you also disabled colorkey? Mar 14 14:06:24 ssvb: yes, i try several variations Mar 14 14:06:50 ssvb: i can mail this package if you want Mar 14 14:07:13 no, I definitely don't have time to test it :) Mar 14 14:07:21 ^_^ Mar 14 14:07:28 how can i use my n810 internal gps with maemo mapper? Mar 14 14:07:33 but the idea is that the difference should be really minimal Mar 14 14:07:38 gpsd daemon is not running Mar 14 14:07:40 1:0 - microb-engine leads Mar 14 14:07:47 and /dev/pgps doesn't existe Mar 14 14:08:09 mplayer has not progressed that much since rc1 for the commonly used codecs for ARM11 Mar 14 14:08:28 ssvb: may be. but looks like problems in xv Mar 14 14:09:05 i rebuild xomap server, and may be have another try Mar 14 14:09:18 vasily_pupkin: it can be also a problem with audio decoder, you you use mp3 audio, you can try '-ac ffmp3' option to use fixed point decoder Mar 14 14:09:49 interesting idea Mar 14 14:09:55 vasily_pupkin: have you tried options for XV from http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=26538 ? Mar 14 14:10:00 yes Mar 14 14:10:10 ok Mar 14 14:11:28 vasily_pupkin: aha, I remember that maemo mplayer also has some patches for XV output code, that could be the reason why upstream works so bad out of the box Mar 14 14:11:56 vasily_pupkin: and of course, these patches were rejected upstream :) Mar 14 14:12:43 crap Mar 14 14:12:44 ^_^ Mar 14 14:14:26 anybody know, how ofthen microb-engine from garage build releases? Mar 14 14:20:38 good evening I tried to build libsndfile in extras builder but got that message: https://garage.maemo.org/builder/diablo/libsndfile_1.0.17-4maemo0/armel.build.log.FAILED.txt I really have no clue why this fails, because dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -sa has worked well on sb1 m.diablo before well Mar 14 14:22:19 is ogg listed as a builddep? Mar 14 14:22:50 no.. Mar 14 14:22:55 :) Mar 14 14:22:57 svu: are you svu from L.O.R.? :) Mar 14 14:23:12 :P Mar 14 14:23:22 ssvb: with -ac ffmp3 it don't work at all Mar 14 14:23:45 I didn't created the (debain) files myself.. I just get everything by apt-get source libsndfile :P Mar 14 14:23:56 you may need to tweak them Mar 14 14:24:07 k thanks Mar 14 14:24:15 can I install cvs in n810? I didn't find the pkg Mar 14 14:24:17 ssvb: and with xv - artefacts like with old versions of vdpau Mar 14 14:24:21 and your local build env probably has ogg so you never notice Mar 14 14:25:26 vasily_pupkin: ok, then something sounds to be completely broken, I would recommend recompiling it with gcc 3.4 and -O2 optimizations options just to check if these are not compiler bugs showing up Mar 14 14:26:27 lbt: I would need libogg0-dev.. right? Mar 14 14:26:37 ssvb: heh, may be next week. too many compilations for today :] Mar 14 14:26:48 vasily_pupkin: at least this is what maemo mplayer is using and it works more or less reliable (downgrade to -O2 is needed) Mar 14 14:27:01 and i couldn't build microb-engine at all :( Mar 14 14:27:43 thopiekar: sounds right Mar 14 14:28:02 k thanks again lbt :) Mar 14 14:28:27 libogg-dev Mar 14 14:28:33 ssvb: i build maemo player and mplayer with same debian dir :] Mar 14 14:28:36 apt-cache search libogg Mar 14 14:29:02 oh yes :P the dependency for the bin is called libogg0.. Mar 14 14:29:04 :) Mar 14 14:29:04 maemo mplayer by the way working perfectly for now Mar 14 14:29:13 on? Mar 14 14:29:20 vasily_pupkin ^ Mar 14 14:32:42 fremantle? Mar 14 14:34:20 vasily_pupkin: there is at least one thing justifying upgrade: seeking does not work well in flv files in maemo mplayer (as it is based on mplayer rc1) Mar 14 14:35:05 yeah, thats why i try to build recent version Mar 14 14:35:19 so, no cvs for n810? Mar 14 14:35:44 RockyDd: you can build it Mar 14 14:36:35 oh, Why no that? It too old? Mar 14 14:37:22 there are thousands packages missing for maemo .. :] Mar 14 14:37:32 vasily_pupkin: there should be also Bundyo's build of mplayer based on one of the post-rc2 SVN snapshots with maemo related patches applied to it Mar 14 14:37:42 hm Mar 14 14:38:08 ok, got it thanks Mar 14 14:38:20 vasily_pupkin: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18231 Mar 14 14:38:53 ssvb: i don't find sources there Mar 14 14:39:14 fsck ) Mar 14 14:39:55 *stabbitystabbitystab* Mar 14 14:40:01 *prod* Mar 14 14:41:25 * GAN800 gushes blood Mar 14 14:41:33 :S Mar 14 14:46:52 ssvb: building ... ._. Mar 14 14:49:07 can anyone explain me how to create a deb package for maemo i keep finding sites and howto's telling me stuff like you should have a configure file if not make it happen which aint very helpfull. (i have never done this before). All i have atm is the (simple) makefile and all the files my project needs Mar 14 14:50:04 it compiles and the binary runs fine on the n810 Mar 14 14:50:28 joyrider: its just a debian package, so any debian packaging intro you find is also applicable Mar 14 14:50:42 joyrider: you don't need a ./configure script, the debian/rules file can just invoke make Mar 14 14:50:55 ok Mar 14 15:19:44 qwerty12_N800: hi Mar 14 15:20:04 qwerty12_N800: I just read http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18955 Mar 14 15:20:07 hi vasily_pupkin Mar 14 15:20:47 what is last your mplayer svn build? Mar 14 15:21:09 it was done using Bundyo's work Mar 14 15:22:00 i just build mplayer from Bundyo's sources, but it from 03-2008 -- i.e. 1 year old :) Mar 14 15:22:24 i try to use patch with recent svn trunc, but, as expected, too many rejs Mar 14 15:23:06 Man I hate DD-WRT Mar 14 15:23:26 I just don't have the energy to switch my router to Tomato, though. :( Mar 14 15:23:54 use adhoc :p Mar 14 15:24:44 * qwerty12_N800 wishes any of his three routers supported DD-WRT so I could pass judgement :p Mar 14 15:24:49 Myrtti, you need to take up a hobby to relieve your frustration Mar 14 15:25:22 lcuk: I'm not going to comment on that, all I'm going to say is that I'm traveling to UK on Monday. Mar 14 15:25:59 :) Mar 14 15:26:13 you can fill out the blanks from there Mar 14 15:27:51 qwerty12_N800: really ought to check what OSes his HW runs before buying them... Mar 14 15:28:08 lbt, the boy buys WinMob products. . . . Mar 14 15:28:24 * lbt shuddders Mar 14 15:28:39 * qwerty12_N800 sulks :p Mar 14 15:29:23 * lbt runs X-Wrt Mar 14 15:29:48 but not in ad-hoc mode Mar 14 15:30:18 and lcuk can't be arsed to buy a freaking router. Mar 14 15:30:23 We're a sad bunch. ;) Mar 14 15:30:44 saturday afternoon and the suns out - we should be out playing... Mar 14 15:30:55 Morning still here. Mar 14 15:31:17 heh - you've got lunch to come then :) Mar 14 15:31:27 Imma get mediaserv going on my "new" 1.8GHz G5 then go to lunch. Mar 14 15:31:39 G5.... Mar 14 15:31:43 * lbt shudders Mar 14 15:32:03 Helluva lot better than some shitty Dell. Mar 14 15:32:07 Also: free. Mar 14 15:32:11 ah Mar 14 15:32:19 but is it? Mar 14 15:32:26 My primary machine is a dual-2.5GHz G5. :) Mar 14 15:32:28 the ties that bind... Mar 14 15:37:25 hm Mar 14 15:37:39 my 2nd core seems to idle a lot more than the 1st one Mar 14 15:37:41 gan, speak for yourself about bein sad - im only up here cos the water fight ended with broken glasses :D Mar 14 15:39:19 Macer, not enough stuff setup to take advantage of two. Mar 14 15:39:34 * GeneralAntilles wonders why "gan" got popular. Mar 14 15:46:38 It's short. Mar 14 15:49:37 derf, yeah, but "GA" is shorter and more accurate. ;) Mar 14 15:52:12 until you come in the chan with GAN800 Mar 14 15:52:23 something you yourself came up with Mar 14 15:52:29 Well, the N goes with the 800, not the GA. Mar 14 15:52:37 But you illustrated the next point I was going to make. Mar 14 15:56:56 hi Mar 14 15:58:08 when in n-gage gonna be on the n800? Mar 14 15:59:32 GeneralAntilles: i know but i figured some things would thread over Mar 14 15:59:50 figured it would be more of a kernel level thing Mar 14 16:00:02 hi, again Mar 14 16:00:31 you'll have to let me in Mar 14 16:01:05 bye again Mar 14 16:02:14 yello Mar 14 16:04:22 shff Mar 14 16:04:24 ' Mar 14 16:04:29 d Mar 14 16:04:29 d Mar 14 16:04:29 d Mar 14 16:04:30 d Mar 14 16:04:30 d Mar 14 16:04:30 d Mar 14 16:04:32 d Mar 14 16:04:34 d Mar 14 16:04:36 d Mar 14 16:04:38 d Mar 14 16:04:40 d Mar 14 16:04:41 O_O_o Mar 14 16:04:42 d Mar 14 16:04:44 d Mar 14 16:04:46 d Mar 14 16:04:48 d Mar 14 16:04:50 d Mar 14 16:04:52 d Mar 14 16:04:52 +b fuzzybunny*!*@* Mar 14 16:04:54 d Mar 14 16:04:56 d Mar 14 16:04:58 d Mar 14 16:05:00 d Mar 14 16:05:02 d Mar 14 16:05:04 d Mar 14 16:05:06 d Mar 14 16:05:08 d Mar 14 16:05:10 d Mar 14 16:05:12 d Mar 14 16:05:14 d Mar 14 16:05:16 d Mar 14 16:05:18 d Mar 14 16:05:20 d Mar 14 16:05:22 d Mar 14 16:05:24 d Mar 14 16:05:26 d Mar 14 16:05:28 d Mar 14 16:05:30 d Mar 14 16:05:32 d Mar 14 16:05:34 d Mar 14 16:05:36 d Mar 14 16:05:38 d Mar 14 16:05:40 d Mar 14 16:05:42 d Mar 14 16:05:44 d Mar 14 16:05:46 d Mar 14 16:05:48 d Mar 14 16:05:50 d Mar 14 16:05:52 d Mar 14 16:05:54 d Mar 14 16:05:56 d Mar 14 16:05:58 d Mar 14 16:06:00 d Mar 14 16:06:02 d Mar 14 16:06:04 d Mar 14 16:06:06 d Mar 14 16:06:08 d Mar 14 16:06:10 d Mar 14 16:06:12 d Mar 14 16:06:14 d Mar 14 16:06:16 d Mar 14 16:06:18 d Mar 14 16:06:20 d Mar 14 16:06:22 d Mar 14 16:06:24 finally, i got ur attention Mar 14 16:06:26 finaly Mar 14 16:06:28 sry i had to do that Mar 14 16:06:30 ill be nice now Mar 14 16:06:30 /IGNORE fuzzybunny Mar 14 16:06:41 no pleez Mar 14 16:06:48 i stop now Mar 14 16:08:13 %) Mar 14 16:19:46 lcuk: btw, I feel like that bear atm, with the exception that I don't do primes, I do regexps Mar 14 16:22:29 Myrtti, i just did a search for prime bear - i imagine you mean the bear that shits prime numbers. a regexp sounds like diahria Mar 14 16:24:07 lcuk: I thought you knew that I was talking about it since you commented that I need a hobby to relieve my frustration after I posted http://myrtti.jaiku.com/presence/9a21f277438f43529d6b45047285aadb :-P Mar 14 16:24:12 regexps ftw Mar 14 16:24:58 lol no, that would be a finnish occupation :p Mar 14 16:26:23 yeah, and about regexps... http://myrtti.jaiku.com/presence/8adef5f70c3b43769f560251fe368bab Mar 14 16:26:49 back to work... Mar 14 16:28:30 Myrtti, did you actually finish your regexp or does it return "zzzZZZZZ" for some more complex inputs? Mar 14 16:28:59 nm i posted on jaiku Mar 14 16:29:23 god damn it been messing around whole afternoon trying to create a deb package when i finally manage to get one and want to install it on my N810 it says package is incompatible :/ Mar 14 16:30:14 Make the section user/* Mar 14 16:30:44 lemme check Mar 14 16:30:51 joyrider, debian packaging is a black art Mar 14 16:32:39 joyrider: black magic, pentagrams and some offerings to the almighty Tux is required Mar 14 16:33:42 yeah seems like it :) Mar 14 16:35:57 hmm think i might have placed the dependencies wrong Mar 14 16:37:33 http://pastebin.com/m1807fab2 <- is the control file do any of you see to many or wrong dependencies ? (it's just a game that uses SDL_mixer, sdl_gfx, sdl_image, SDL Mar 14 16:38:00 debian packaging came round for linux itself, how were things done in unix Mar 14 16:38:16 or other systems Mar 14 16:38:35 * lcuk cant remember how the amiga did app installs or whether everything ran from its own folder Mar 14 16:38:36 it says it can't find the gcc and linux headers thing Mar 14 16:38:56 "the linux headers thing" sounds important Mar 14 16:39:02 yeah but Mar 14 16:39:13 joyrider: user/games; not user/*. Also, keep "Depends: ${shlibs:Depends}, ${misc:Depends}" but remove the rest of the Depends Mar 14 16:39:31 ah ok Mar 14 16:39:35 * GeneralAntilles chalks up strike 2 for fuzzybunny. Mar 14 16:39:43 lcuk, some applications used their own installer, some used c:Installer and some worked from any directory as-is Mar 14 16:39:47 * lcuk is expecting to release about 10 packages soon Mar 14 16:40:08 I blame penguinbait for adding a stupid WordPress IRC client. Mar 14 16:40:27 wnd, were any of them as complex (and hence powerful?) as debs ? Mar 14 16:40:53 far from that Mar 14 16:40:55 GeneralAntilles, irc idiots predate penguinbait Mar 14 16:41:07 lcuk, he's encouraging them. Mar 14 16:41:27 nahhh we are encouraging them by having a channel Mar 14 16:41:46 You can't stop them, but the least you can do is not lower the barrier to entry so low as to make it easy. Mar 14 16:41:51 on the other hand c:Installer used lisp-like language and allowed running abritary programs, not unlike DEBIAN/{post,pre}{inst,rm} Mar 14 16:41:57 and since hes the first eejit ive seen in a while id say the S/N is still quite high Mar 14 16:42:30 apart from when Myrtti starts talking about shitting bears :P Mar 14 16:44:36 * Myrtti looks at the /bans and laughs Mar 14 16:44:41 funny Mar 14 16:44:59 regexps? Mar 14 16:45:16 nope Mar 14 16:45:18 you've got five bans... Mar 14 16:45:38 are you our overlord Myrtti Mar 14 16:45:41 I'd say you live a happy, trollfree life ;-) Mar 14 16:45:59 #ubuntu has had over 300 Mar 14 16:46:27 I blame Gentoo fanboys :p Mar 14 16:46:32 GeneralAntilles: any icons yet? Mar 14 16:46:44 Myrtti, well, we went a looong time without any ops. Mar 14 16:47:11 Myrtti, now that we have ops, most of us are too lazy/slow to bother with aggressive banning. Mar 14 16:47:23 But, yeah, we don't get the traffic other distro channels get. Mar 14 16:47:32 lbt, let me get back to my real machine. :P Mar 14 16:47:37 lbt, sometime next week. Mar 14 16:47:39 * Myrtti squints at the access list Mar 14 16:47:50 ok - I won't hold up the next release Mar 14 16:47:51 my god. I've IRC'd too long Mar 14 16:48:12 no such thing Mar 14 16:48:32 does the stock N810 OS support OpenGL? Mar 14 16:48:41 no Mar 14 16:48:51 err Mar 14 16:48:57 not hardware anyway Mar 14 16:49:24 software? Mar 14 16:49:50 depends what you mean by stock :) Mar 14 16:50:12 you can get libraries to render GL Mar 14 16:50:15 I think Qt supports it Mar 14 16:50:28 luke-jr, out of the box its got no normal mesa opengl stuff Mar 14 16:50:56 it *can* be built but its never really been bothered with - its easier in easy-debian from qole and it will be easier in mer (sane dev env) Mar 14 16:51:33 theres something called tinygl which is a core basic baseline api compatible opengl library designed for small devices which does build and run nicely on the tablet but its utility is limited Mar 14 16:52:11 and as lbt says qt probably has it Mar 14 16:53:41 ok, energy drink consumed, time to move to alcoholic debugging drinks Mar 14 16:53:51 hello lcuk, how is liqbase development going Mar 14 16:54:13 i need to start on my vodka stash, i got a litre for free \o/ Mar 14 16:54:38 will it now be renamed to "liquorbase"? Mar 14 16:54:52 quite nicely actually Mar 14 16:54:52 no lol Mar 14 16:55:02 :p Mar 14 16:55:30 Myrtti: did you say you were doing regexps? Mar 14 16:55:37 i have been moving stuffs around and sorting things out Mar 14 16:56:02 its coming into shape nicely :) Mar 14 16:58:23 lol, I was going to offer Bundyo a bugzilla product but I guess not. . . . Mar 14 16:59:14 lbt: sssshhhhh Mar 14 16:59:23 qole's Tear repository? . . . Mar 14 16:59:46 s+h+ Mar 14 17:00:24 * GAN800 sighs. Mar 14 17:01:25 nom Mar 14 17:02:48 qwerty12_N800, I expect you to try to direct these things in the right direction when I'm not paying attention. :P Mar 14 17:03:15 * qwerty12_N800 reports for duty :p Mar 14 17:03:39 * lbt settles back to watch Mar 14 17:04:14 * GeneralAntilles beats DD-WRT with a stick. Mar 14 17:04:47 so, where was I Mar 14 17:04:55 * lbt casually wanders around smoothly transitioning between both his X-Wrt APs Mar 14 17:05:29 Myrtti: saying "nom" instead of "niii" Mar 14 17:06:33 NICK thopiekar.vm Mar 14 17:06:42 :| Mar 14 17:06:56 'lo thopiekar - did the deps work? Mar 14 17:07:01 lbt: no, I was debugging foo=`grep -m 1 -e "=$" ${fpath}/${bar000}|sed -e 's/^\(=* *\)\([ 0-9]*\.*[0-9]*\) *\([^=|>|<|{|}\||#]*\)[ =]*/\3/'` Mar 14 17:07:04 yes :) Mar 14 17:07:31 Myrtti: sed isn't portable Mar 14 17:07:37 what you aiming for? Mar 14 17:07:47 libogg-dev.. Mar 14 17:07:57 actually it does what it's supposed to, but the loops bork it Mar 14 17:08:15 luke-jr: if it works in theory, it'll suffice for me for the time being Mar 14 17:08:22 and it was the logical one to take for that :) Mar 14 17:08:39 thanks again for the tip lbt :P Mar 14 17:10:04 Myrtti: what you aiming for? what's the input and what are you trying to get? Mar 14 17:10:31 * GeneralAntilles can see that building mplayer is also going to bring in every imaginable dependency on the planet. Mar 14 17:10:36 or are you just hacking through it for fun :) Mar 14 17:11:53 ah, now I get it, I need to call that function again to reset the foo Mar 14 17:13:19 * thopiekar is working on mixxx, to mix and scratch music on his tablet ( lbt ) :P Mar 14 17:13:34 ooh - mixxx is nice Mar 14 17:13:55 isn't the audio HW a bit limited though? Mar 14 17:14:20 :) the only thing I worry about is the cpu-speed and the 3d bindings in the gui.. Mar 14 17:14:35 don't know.. time for a test :P Mar 14 17:14:37 3d? I thought it was all svg Mar 14 17:15:08 the waveform in the gui has callbacks to opengl.. Mar 14 17:15:27 ewww Mar 14 17:16:17 thats why my wave form is buggy on gnome + compiz.. Mar 14 17:16:20 :) Mar 14 17:16:30 on my pc.. Mar 14 17:17:08 almost the same thing with other gui's using ogl like google-earth, etc.. Mar 14 17:17:17 yes Mar 14 17:17:42 I got a half decent GPU to use compiz Mar 14 17:17:49 and then found it was too conflicted Mar 14 17:18:11 fun occasionally and I'm sure it'll get sorted. Mar 14 17:18:56 before 2 weeks I switched to x64 and it seems that these gui's are not as much blinking as on x32.. Mar 14 17:19:11 isn't there a way to get a rid of that Mar 14 17:19:50 ? Mar 14 17:20:21 of these blinking fields, where ogl is used... Mar 14 17:20:35 oh, Qt is built with -no-opengl luke-jr Mar 14 17:20:47 … Mar 14 17:20:52 it needs DRI2 Mar 14 17:21:07 luke-jr: so no, Qt doesn't allow SW rendered opengl Mar 14 17:21:13 -.- Mar 14 17:21:15 * lbt is sad Mar 14 17:21:25 * thopiekar too Mar 14 17:21:59 thopiekar: and DRI2 isn't written into the kernel yet AFAIK, never mind in the drivers/Xorg Mar 14 17:22:00 how do you manage the funky qt rendering effects without gl then Mar 14 17:22:09 ie coverflow type things Mar 14 17:22:14 which ones lcuk? Mar 14 17:22:22 all rastered Mar 14 17:22:40 my scrolling is just rastered in the normal library Mar 14 17:23:01 in fact I think we're using a slow renderer Mar 14 17:23:12 and they're trying to switch to a better one. Mar 14 17:23:34 i dont think its slow, or at least when it was designed it wasnt slow: it was for desktop machines with 100x moar power Mar 14 17:23:58 relatively speaking Mar 14 17:24:16 the current renderer in Qt4.4 is the default one Mar 14 17:24:33 there is an optimised one that doesn't work fully yet Mar 14 17:24:39 IIRC Mar 14 17:25:45 well the entire core of qt is 32bit and all widgets built ontop expect that so its gonna be a mammoth undertaking to try to get it all super rapid Mar 14 17:26:27 there is no real fast pathway for all but the simplest of things Mar 14 17:27:33 not knowledgable about the guts - especially the render engines Mar 14 17:28:03 ive got my eyes on a few mailing lists Mar 14 17:30:43 you guys use dropbear or openssh? Mar 14 17:30:51 openssh Mar 14 17:30:59 dropbear is for my router ;) Mar 14 17:31:20 qwerty12: why not dropbear on the n810? Mar 14 17:31:29 is it less functional>? Mar 14 17:31:42 Compared to openssh, yes. Mar 14 17:32:04 qwerty12: have you installed the server too? Mar 14 17:32:21 I like ssh'ing into my tablet, so yes. Mar 14 17:32:34 ok, that's nice :) Mar 14 17:32:49 do you enable it when you want to access or have it always running? Mar 14 17:33:20 I have it always running. Mar 14 17:33:33 qwerty12: ok thanks! Mar 14 17:34:19 I'm actually installing dropbear cleint only first to see if it works for me... if not I will go with openssh Mar 14 17:35:00 the comments on slashdot regarding how bad symbian is to develop for: is it that bad to work with? Mar 14 17:35:03 http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/03/14/1214244 Mar 14 17:36:19 signing sis files is kinda lame Mar 14 17:36:34 what about signing sisto files? Mar 14 17:36:46 :) Mar 14 17:37:45 is it just here or is the rss feed for fresh apps on downloads.maemo.org broken? Mar 14 17:40:09 hrmf, seems it may just be the tablet rss reader, as firefox on my desktop have no issues... Mar 14 17:40:25 t_s_o, yeah, seems OK in Safari here. Mar 14 17:42:09 now to figure out why the tablet rss see it as not downloadable... Mar 14 17:56:27 t_s_o, my internet is going slow in sympathy of your problems Mar 14 17:56:38 or perhaps all the internet is being rerouted through your tablet :D Mar 14 17:56:49 ye gods, i hope not... Mar 14 17:57:50 lol Mar 14 18:04:45 still, if i could get that dsp to act as a fast router... Mar 14 18:13:00 Hey, it's Akiyuki, the man! Mar 14 18:13:12 That's right baby. Mar 14 18:16:52 pff still not able to get a working deb file i'm in hell :p Mar 14 18:19:38 !infobot Mar 14 18:19:46 Jaffa, the vala package could do with an uber update. Did http://pastebin.com/f5a64db59 and it built fine in DIABLO_ARMEL Mar 14 18:19:53 sisto, /msg infobot help Mar 14 18:19:57 anybody tried the newest leafpad? Mar 14 18:20:38 mikkov__, I did, installed fine but I don't know how auto indenting works so couldn't see if it worked. But the application on the whole works brilliantly :) Mar 14 18:21:01 heh. emacs forever ^_^ Mar 14 18:21:09 leafpad is cool Mar 14 18:21:18 very lightweight Mar 14 18:21:45 does it have a shortcut to insert the current date? Mar 14 18:22:28 no, it doesn't Mar 14 18:22:43 sisto, on device or on linux Mar 14 18:23:04 I use leafpad in linux but I was asking about the maemo version Mar 14 18:23:08 * lcuk needs one of those for auto change note comments Mar 14 18:23:24 ill have to make the liqbase editor do it Mar 14 18:23:37 mind you, then i need to port it to windows Mar 14 18:23:50 bbl anyway Mar 14 18:24:18 bbl = big barrel of liquor? Mar 14 18:24:29 :) Mar 14 18:24:36 qwerty12: auto intending is when you press enter, the new line is automatically intended same way as the old line (think coding) Mar 14 18:24:54 mikkov__, aha, thanks Mar 14 18:25:16 it's indenting Mar 14 18:26:33 when building a package where should the data be placed(like images etc) so that it's included in the .Deb ? i can't seem to figure this out Mar 14 18:26:56 dropbear sucked... I'm going for openssh client now Mar 14 18:27:12 (actually dropbear failed to download) Mar 14 18:40:07 what is better mplayer or kmplayer? Mar 14 18:40:40 I have kmplayer in my repos... I might have to add a new repo to get mplayer Mar 14 19:01:27 kmplayer can be used as a frontend to mplayer Mar 14 19:04:06 ^ Mar 14 19:04:13 sisto, they're the same thing, really. Mar 14 19:04:19 kmplayer is just a front end Mar 14 19:04:26 mplayer in Extras is bundled with gmplayer. Mar 14 19:04:34 ah ok Mar 14 19:04:50 do you prefer gmplayer or kmplayer? Mar 14 19:05:14 I guess kmplayer would require kde libraries which I might have to install right? Mar 14 19:05:43 maemo's kmplayer != kde's kmplayer Mar 14 19:07:39 ok thanks! Mar 14 19:08:56 blah Mar 14 19:09:38 * b-man|sick feels like crap :P Mar 14 19:13:17 * b-man|sick was so dizzy this morning he ran into a wall Mar 14 19:13:19 anyways... Mar 14 19:15:15 i'm finally working on getting a new ubuntu jaunty rootstrap up - to fix some bugs from the previous one Mar 14 19:17:22 b-man|sick, make a note for the future: no running when you are sick Mar 14 19:17:29 lol Mar 14 19:17:38 stay safe and warm in bed Mar 14 19:18:28 i was stumbling - not running XD Mar 14 19:18:29 * rmt_ sighs as he watches his the DHL tracking of his N810 .. I'm in central Italy.. turns out the warehouse is in Marseille.. went from there to.. Leipzig! Of course, it's Saturday.. So zee German DHL guys obviously aren't working on Saturdays. Mar 14 19:19:11 * rmt_ is wondering is somebody has already created an app or similar to see (& cache) the conjugation of verbs.. maybe using webverbix .. Mar 14 19:19:13 "* b-man|sick was so dizzy this morning he ran into a wall" <<<<<<<<<< Mar 14 19:19:20 *rolf* Mar 14 19:19:45 * rmt_ will make good use of his device for language learning.. Mar 14 19:20:27 rmt_, just hook up the machine to irc and let it suckle from the ebb and flow of internet discussions Mar 14 19:20:34 when i mean by "run" i mean incounter Mar 14 19:20:58 you hit a counter, i think inwall is more apt Mar 14 19:21:50 * GeneralAntilles takes lcuk's puns permissions away. Mar 14 19:22:01 We've already got a punmaster and his name is not lcuk. :P Mar 14 19:22:12 * b-man|sick hit the corner of the door frame to his bathroom XD Mar 14 19:22:14 * rmt_ quite likes Vala .. looking at Genie too (alternate syntax for Vala, using the same compiler) Mar 14 19:22:43 http://img.thedailywtf.com/images/200903/safe/image1.jpg Mar 14 19:22:47 GeneralAntilles: lol Mar 14 19:22:50 b-man|sick, read this and learn Mar 14 19:23:09 XP Mar 14 19:23:21 GeneralAntilles, whos the punmaster? Mar 14 19:23:33 rmt_, curious Mar 14 19:23:37 lcuk, Proteous. Mar 14 19:23:38 * lcuk might make his own language oneday Mar 14 19:23:58 * lcuk doesnt recall anything particularely punny coming from Proteous Mar 14 19:24:27 Pay better attention, then. Mar 14 19:24:40 heh Mar 14 19:24:55 * lcuk will try Mar 14 19:25:04 do we get any warning when he makes a pun? Mar 14 19:25:10 is there a drumroll or anything? Mar 14 19:25:16 * Myrtti ran out of cider since she bought only two cans, sadness will ensue Mar 14 19:25:28 * lcuk emails a beer to Myrtti Mar 14 19:25:32 ew Mar 14 19:25:37 * b-man|sick gets chills, oh god Mar 14 19:25:53 lcuk: hopefully not lager? Mar 14 19:25:54 * lcuk flavors the beer with apples Mar 14 19:26:09 not at all, some open source homebrew :) Mar 14 19:26:27 omnomnom Mar 14 19:26:31 then I can taste it Mar 14 19:26:56 i would like to try making beer one day :) Mar 14 19:26:59 * b-man|sick gets some tea Mar 14 19:27:09 howdy y'all, anyone here use 2 x n810 + asterisk to do video conf? Mar 14 19:27:17 * dmz has beer ingredients in garage Mar 14 19:27:23 dmz i use the default application and gtalk thingy Mar 14 19:27:34 it does video nicely Mar 14 19:28:39 mmmm which reminds me that it's only 2 days and four hours until I get my n800 Mar 14 19:28:55 Myrtti, are you tablet-less at the moment? Mar 14 19:29:02 b-man|sick, have you tried running a norton scan, it sounds like you have a virus Mar 14 19:29:19 GeneralAntilles: 770 counts as something better than nothing, but less than n800 Mar 14 19:29:24 dmz: I remember seeing some N8x0 asterisk related stuff on iTT, may be worth a search there Mar 14 19:29:27 heh Myrtti what you doing with your 770 afterwards, i hope its gonna carry on living Mar 14 19:29:30 GeneralAntilles: can't run numptyphysics on it Mar 14 19:29:50 lcuk: either going to sell it to a workmate or use it as home automation remote Mar 14 19:30:03 Myrtti, the OMAP2 tablets are wonderful. :) Mar 14 19:30:14 good, they arent totally obscolete Mar 14 19:31:36 Less obsolete than a damn 770 anyway. Mar 14 19:31:55 I still love my 770 really much even still Mar 14 19:32:07 * b-man|sick starts shaking uncontrollably, god i hate chills XP Mar 14 19:32:07 lcuk for default application do you mean the "internet call" app? we've gotten it to connect & we can see our own camera image but just can't see the other person Mar 14 19:32:16 having n800 would give easier video calls and working numpty physics Mar 14 19:32:41 my only wish is an n810 with 1G of ram, sigh Mar 14 19:32:43 and radio Mar 14 19:32:56 not that I'd use it that much, I don't ever listen to radio Mar 14 19:33:02 dmz, yeah it works flawlessly when we try it here Mar 14 19:33:10 dmz: +1 Mar 14 19:33:29 why need so much memory - what apps are you working on tablet that need it? Mar 14 19:33:37 ALL! Mar 14 19:33:38 (= Mar 14 19:33:41 G-Talk used to have video chat function for the Nokia N 800 series but it has since been disabled :( Mar 14 19:33:47 seriously, which? Mar 14 19:34:05 try to start pidgin, browser and something else Mar 14 19:34:07 dmz, 1GB == no battery life. Mar 14 19:34:07 lcuk i want to be able to have > 2 apps running (map + canola2 + anything...) w/out swapping Mar 14 19:34:17 than open new page in browser Mar 14 19:34:18 Also, expensive as hell. Mar 14 19:34:25 i'd pay :) Mar 14 19:34:33 can canola be multitasked? Mar 14 19:34:53 i never saw any way to task switch :p Mar 14 19:34:55 dmz, nobody makes a PoP that large, so Nokia would have to solder a bunch of chips to the board. Mar 14 19:35:00 Expensive and power hungy. Mar 14 19:35:05 hungry* Mar 14 19:35:06 lcuk: good joke :) Mar 14 19:35:06 lcuk: home button. Mar 14 19:35:27 ~qwerty12_N800 +1 Mar 14 19:35:29 mind you liqbase was in the same boat \o/ Mar 14 19:35:50 GeneralAntilles: is there any info if rx-51 will have more than 128MB of ram? Mar 14 19:36:35 it should - if it's running clutter Mar 14 19:36:46 dmz, how much memory does map need? i know at certain times it might increase but does it need mega buckets? Mar 14 19:37:42 i just want to do more with it than i probably should Mar 14 19:38:04 i want to have pidgin on, connected via bluetooth to network (cell) driving down the road listening to music and follownig map Mar 14 19:38:06 i remember running loads more than 2 apps in just half a meg of memory Mar 14 19:38:22 these apps are too big though :) you ever see how much pidgin does these days! Mar 14 19:38:30 still i wonder why we can't see each other on video Mar 14 19:38:57 pidgin is fat Mar 14 19:39:09 anybody know good replacement? ) Mar 14 19:39:11 hey, has anyone heard if the indt guys will be porting python soon to fremantle Mar 14 19:39:19 sometimes I use emacs-jabber :) Mar 14 19:39:21 dmz: are you using tablet to tablet video call? it should work Mar 14 19:39:31 konttori_, python libs and evas and edge and stuff are already in fremantle repo Mar 14 19:39:41 errr maybe not python Mar 14 19:39:42 but it isn't good some times Mar 14 19:39:42 my mistake Mar 14 19:40:08 pff i only manage to create a package with fakeroot dpkg-deb --build ./debian but with dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot i get a .deb file wich doesn't include any of my data files nor my binary itself.. i'm guessing this isn't normal Mar 14 19:40:33 yeah we're using our own asterisk box & 810 on both side Mar 14 19:40:44 konttori: python2.5 is part of the fremantle sdk Mar 14 19:41:32 rmt_: did you just say you're from Italy a while ago? Mar 14 19:41:43 oh he left Mar 14 19:41:47 mikkov__: but the bindings are missing to a lot of stuff. Mar 14 19:42:12 is the arm version of python available somewhere? Mar 14 19:42:13 oh no actually he didn't lol :P Mar 14 19:42:40 also, e.g. gpodder is complaining in extras devel of the missing dependencies. Mar 14 19:42:51 sisto, I'm in Italy, yes. Mar 14 19:42:56 sisto, Not from Italy. Mar 14 19:43:07 konttori: ah so it seems. but most important python2.5-gtk2 is there Mar 14 19:43:41 Youa cana tella thata I'ma nota nativea, because-a Ia don'ta type-a likea thisa: Mar 14 19:43:47 b-man|sick, clutter does not specifically mean more memory, you can run an extremely constrained low memory footprint 3d application and have it compelling and useful Mar 14 19:44:02 rmt_: lol :) Mar 14 19:44:05 my family is from Italy. in which province are you staying? Mar 14 19:44:13 Umbria. Mar 14 19:44:16 In Perugia atm. Mar 14 19:44:34 mikkov__: yeah, but would be great if someone (indt?) could put the packages to extras devel as well. Mar 14 19:44:47 e.g. if someone wants to experiement on beagleboard. Mar 14 19:44:59 joyrider, dunno packages irk everyone, we have a specific debmaster for maemo, jeremiah, find him in work hours Mar 14 19:45:20 * lcuk would experiment on beagleboard if it had a touchscreen Mar 14 19:45:46 never been there Mar 14 19:45:59 my family is from Trentino Mar 14 19:46:44 rmt_: where are you from then? Mar 14 19:46:54 Ah, zie germanso vono Italio! Mar 14 19:47:00 lcuk: well, hoock up the beagleboard output to vnc, then use vnc client on your n810 and voila, you have touchscreen ;) Mar 14 19:47:29 I'm Australian. But Germany has my european heart. Mar 14 19:47:39 yeah but i cant send xv over vnc (without finishing my quantum entanglement experiement anyway) Mar 14 19:47:46 Or it could just be about the beer. ;) Mar 14 19:48:06 ok! I don't speak Italian nor german though :) Mar 14 19:48:25 there is a touch module for it but it bumps the cost wayyyyyyy up Mar 14 19:49:19 lcuk: ah. true enough Mar 14 19:49:26 sisto, Where are you? Mar 14 19:49:37 Uruguay Mar 14 19:49:55 Italian export. :-) Mar 14 19:50:21 They're good at it ... I bet the Italian food you eat there is better than the typical Italian food you get here.. at least in Umbria. ;) Mar 14 19:50:38 konttori_, that hack you mention (that qole described in the announce thread) is inspired, but does it send over clutter data correctly? Mar 14 19:50:42 must.. refrain from repeating Homer Simpson quote Mar 14 19:50:52 or does it work because in scratchbox clutter is rendered onto a normal page Mar 14 19:51:08 lcuk: I have no clue. I haven't tested. that was just an idea. Mar 14 19:51:14 mikkov__, nothing about RAM, really. Mar 14 19:51:30 mikkov__, unless you want to base it on what the other OMAP3 devices are shipping. Mar 14 19:51:57 how much other omap3 devices have then? Mar 14 19:52:04 luck: I wonder if I just upload the source packages for a few python bindings from diablo to fremantle extras-devel, will I be able to get those compiled. Mar 14 19:52:12 * rmt_ is going to make a good italian-style red thai curry. ;-) Mar 14 19:52:25 mikkov__, 128MB or 256MB depending on which version. :P Mar 14 19:52:28 konttori_, since we know you have a working version of the current alpha, could you make a video showing us how its meant to be - i still cant get a feel of how its meant to work or what the background animation is meant to look like or anything Mar 14 19:52:36 mikkov__, Beagle and Pandora have both upgraded to 256MB. Mar 14 19:52:56 konttori_, the fremantle extras builder is in place i believe Mar 14 19:52:58 konttori_, real fast, how much RAM in the next tablet???? ;) Mar 14 19:53:02 GeneralAntilles: I really hope that rx-51 has 256MB (or more) Mar 14 19:53:04 you can push anything to it and it will try Mar 14 19:53:08 rmt_: lol Mar 14 19:53:30 lol GeneralAntilles you shouldnt ask questions like that, use reverse psychology :P Mar 14 19:53:47 Whatever you do, don't tell us how much RAM is in the next tablet! Mar 14 19:54:13 rmt_: I think Italy is the best place for italian Mar 14 19:54:14 lcuk: everyone knows it's all about a good bribe ;) Mar 14 19:54:14 moan and complain about how you heard the new tablet only has 256mb and see how much of a response you get ;) Mar 14 19:54:15 lcuk: lol ;) GeneralAntilles lol ;) Mar 14 19:54:16 konttori_: I would expect that python packages will build just fine Mar 14 19:54:17 maybe not Perugia Mar 14 19:54:36 Well, mikkov__, I tried. ;) Mar 14 19:54:58 try Verona or Venezia Mar 14 19:56:05 wasn't there going to be some mass build of diablo extras devel to fremantle extras-devel? Mar 14 19:56:09 sisto, The problem here is that the food is very regional. If you want good pizza, you should go to campagna.. or find a good restaurant that specialises in campagna style pizza.. lasagna's not to be found in this city at all.. Piadina's quite good, but that's only because it's made it to fast food status and it's so damn simple. Mar 14 19:56:20 mikkov__: that would make a lot of sense Mar 14 19:56:20 mikkov__, it was only discussed, a plan was never arrive at. Mar 14 19:56:35 You could poke -community about it more directly. Mar 14 19:56:37 rmt_: are you on vacation? Mar 14 19:56:39 sisto, Heaven forbid if you want something spicy.. The Italians run away screaming if you add a touch of real chilli to a dish. Mar 14 19:56:48 Not sure how involved a process it is. Mar 14 19:57:02 sisto, Girlfriend's on student exchange here. I'm just learning the language and occupying myself in other ways. :) Mar 14 19:57:08 rmt_: that is also true in Uruguay, we have lots of italians here. Mar 14 19:57:23 konttori_, any clues about maemo.nokia.com or Maemo@Forum Nokia? Mar 14 19:57:46 Actually I hope that they donnt import _everything_ to fremantle exras-devel :) Mar 14 19:57:48 rmt_: did you visit lots of places already? Mar 14 19:58:10 GeneralAntilles: considering that I didn't even know those existed, I cannot give you guys any clues Mar 14 19:58:26 I thought the Germans had a problem with spices.. but at least there you can go to an Indian restaurant and, with a bit of work convincing them first, get a spicy dish. Mar 14 19:58:43 haha Mar 14 19:58:48 sisto, Unfortunately not yet. Just around Umbria, and of course Florence & Rome. Mar 14 19:59:05 konttori_, well, they're not secrets or anything, but I haven't heard any progress reports in a while so I'm wondering if there's some sort of timeline. Mar 14 19:59:11 Venice is lovely Mar 14 19:59:14 sisto, Have you visited? Mar 14 19:59:23 GeneralAntilles: you should ask kate Mar 14 19:59:35 Yes.. unfortunately missed a cheap bus day-trip to Venice with the Uni here.. Mar 14 19:59:37 yup... Venice, Verona, Rome, Milan, Trento, Florence Mar 14 19:59:38 http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Texts_for_maemo.nokia.com Mar 14 20:00:07 Actually looking forward to going down south.. a little bit of Africa in Europe. :-) Mar 14 20:00:18 if you go try to visit the blown glass factories Mar 14 20:00:30 If you like those kind of things Mar 14 20:00:40 it's fun to watch how they make it Mar 14 20:01:12 I loved the fact that instead of buses they have boat-buses :) Mar 14 20:01:24 GeneralAntilles: ok. so, it's a marketing site? I mean, you probably know more than I do Mar 14 20:01:25 they work exactly like e bus Mar 14 20:01:45 you get in pay the ticket and get off on your stop Mar 14 20:01:48 konttori_, well Nokia's moving most of its stuff off maemo.org. Mar 14 20:01:59 really? Mar 14 20:02:04 why? Mar 14 20:02:06 The user-relevant stuff is going to maemo.nokia.com and developer documentation is moving to Forum Nokia. Mar 14 20:02:20 Makes it easier for maemo.org and makes it easier for Nokia, I guess. Mar 14 20:02:36 GeneralAntilles: o really? Mar 14 20:02:47 ok, I understand the reason to move docs to forum.nokia.com Mar 14 20:03:04 Myrtti, beta documentation is apparently still going to take shape on maemo.org. Mar 14 20:03:06 and yeah, well, maemo.nokia.com is better name than tableteer Mar 14 20:03:09 imho Mar 14 20:03:17 * Myrtti wonders what the training material and reference manual are for... Mar 14 20:03:59 Myrtti, whoever you target it for now, a swift regexp can retarget it ;) Mar 14 20:04:07 * GeneralAntilles doesn't really have all the details and motivations. Mar 14 20:04:08 good job you are getting your practice in :P Mar 14 20:04:30 *cough* Mar 14 20:05:39 anybody here have a drobo? Mar 14 20:06:43 how do I mark a selection in the browser and copy it? Mar 14 20:06:55 It keeps scrolling on me when I try to select Mar 14 20:09:40 double-tap, drag. Mar 14 20:10:01 GeneralAntilles: thx Mar 14 20:16:51 voodoo magic! Mar 14 20:17:44 yUm Mar 14 20:21:12 snow! Mar 14 20:22:24 * b-man|sick feels like passing out Mar 14 20:23:26 You could sleep() ... Mar 14 20:23:56 nah, i want to get what i'm working on done Mar 14 20:24:01 or apt-get paramedic Mar 14 20:24:06 * timelE61i struggles to climb stairs Mar 14 20:24:26 timelE61i, stannah stair lift? Mar 14 20:24:30 i'm not that sick :P Mar 14 20:25:08 stannah ?? Mar 14 20:25:19 ? Mar 14 20:27:38 * b-man|sick turns up the volume on his N800 to stay focused Mar 14 20:28:25 stannah; Mar 14 20:28:27 http://www.stannah.com/ Mar 14 20:28:43 seriously have to change some of my vnc settings heh Mar 14 20:28:48 doing this over ssh is slow as hell Mar 14 20:28:51 over my phone Mar 14 20:28:57 hmm Mar 14 20:29:04 lcuk: http://www.apuvalineoriola.fi/default.aspx?SectionId=5450 Mar 14 20:29:08 * qwerty12_N800 wonders how lcuk manages to watch that advert Mar 14 20:29:09 they don't seem to speak English Mar 14 20:29:29 but seriously, to get to the fifth floor? Mar 14 20:29:40 there's no room for an elevator... Mar 14 20:29:43 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKlJrZEODCU Mar 14 20:29:51 get a proper stairlift Mar 14 20:29:58 which advert qwerty12_N800 Mar 14 20:30:05 on actually stannah page? Mar 14 20:30:07 -y Mar 14 20:30:17 -l Mar 14 20:30:33 lcuk: the stannah one, fkn annoying to me Mar 14 20:30:46 macer: irc over phoe is fine :) Mar 14 20:31:11 (some typos expected) Mar 14 20:33:52 hi all Mar 14 20:34:14 hi! Mar 14 20:38:27 hi there.. could someone tell me something about gfortran? Mar 14 20:39:08 I would need it for fftw3>libsamplerate>mixxx ... Mar 14 20:40:15 use fort77 Mar 14 20:41:38 heh.. well Mar 14 20:41:41 * lcuk scratches his head at the perl script to get a digital clock to 0.1seconds - posted to maemo-users Mar 14 20:41:44 i'm doing that over the phone too Mar 14 20:41:45 ;) Mar 14 20:41:56 G1 + tmob + wifi tether = best i've used so far Mar 14 20:41:59 * lcuk wonders what problem it solves Mar 14 20:42:06 but is it also available in maemo's apt, mikkov__? Mar 14 20:42:26 you could try? it is Mar 14 20:42:28 Macer: costs? Mar 14 20:42:34 lcuk: people who are anal-retentive about their time? Mar 14 20:42:47 but it's another thing if it works ;) Mar 14 20:42:54 nice it need this (compiler or whatever it is) Mar 14 20:43:04 thopeiakr-vm: doesn't cost that much Mar 14 20:43:12 i dont know Mar 14 20:43:18 figure my phone bill with the best G1 plan is like 90$/month Mar 14 20:43:27 around and where? Macer? Mar 14 20:43:29 :) it's great.. beats the hell out of att Mar 14 20:43:32 chicago Mar 14 20:43:41 :P Mar 14 21:04:02 I think the script just might work now... Mar 14 21:04:14 if it does, I'm going to scream Mar 14 21:05:05 are there available deb's of texlive? Mar 14 21:05:40 I would need them for fftw3, too Mar 14 21:12:25 * b-man|sick leaves Mar 14 21:24:52 thopeiakr-vm: you probably mean texinfo and it's there Mar 14 21:28:14 question: just did a dist-upgrade on one of my boxen, and lost about a gig of drive space in the bargain... any suggestions on where I should look for cleaning out older files no longer needed that happen to still exist? I've nuked the old kernel source already... Mar 14 21:29:07 (^generic linux question) Mar 14 21:29:33 try apt-get clean Mar 14 21:29:47 already did that too Mar 14 21:30:30 autoclean? Mar 14 21:30:38 also done Mar 14 21:31:23 * fireun1 should just delete ufoai, hasnt played it in months and months Mar 14 21:32:51 * fireun1 found an orphan kernel source dir, nukes it Mar 14 21:34:19 thopeiakr-vm: ah texlive is for transfig. You'd better hope that you don't really all of the tex stuff Mar 14 21:34:36 really need Mar 14 21:57:39 * lcuk goes to the bar Mar 14 21:57:41 who wants one? Mar 14 22:02:31 w00t, cheap round! Mar 14 22:04:09 lcuk, beer please Mar 14 22:04:11 :) Mar 14 22:07:18 lol Mar 14 22:07:27 too late VDVsx you will have to get your own Mar 14 22:07:44 :( Mar 14 22:08:02 by the time i emailed it to you it would be flat anyway Mar 14 22:10:25 lcuk, you don't have a teleport machine ? :P Mar 14 22:10:46 ive not finished coding it yet Mar 14 22:11:50 (deadly serious, im sick of my stuff not being in front of me when im on another tablet, and i want a pinboard on my wall showing my most recent stuff (whatever that "stuff" might be) :) Mar 14 22:13:03 :) Mar 14 22:13:51 right so who has canola with the media server plugin installed? and do you know if that plugin is supposed to be able to see files shared with windows media player 11? Mar 14 22:15:35 practisevoodoo_, something makes me say "no" Mar 14 22:15:41 practisevoodoo_, try UPnP Mar 14 22:19:21 ah ok, it looks like the media server the canola site recommends support the 360 anyway so i can switch to that one Mar 14 22:24:08 off topic question: what do you use to tweet in linux/ubuntu ? Mar 14 22:28:47 a browser? Mar 14 22:28:57 also cant mauku work Mar 14 22:31:10 command line tweet tool Mar 14 22:31:17 mauku works nicely in my NIT770 with OS2007HE2 Mar 14 22:31:33 jaiku is a bit borked and you can't send with it, but twitter works Mar 14 22:31:49 VDVsx: Gwibber. Mar 14 22:31:57 yeah the redesign threw some other things away Mar 14 22:31:58 if you're using desktop, that is. Mar 14 22:32:07 jaiku seems a little bit dead to me :( Mar 14 22:32:13 "peopl you might now" is missing i think Mar 14 22:32:16 Gwibber is Teh Shit currently Mar 14 22:36:12 Myrtti, hows it play on your device, it certainly looks ok on screenshots on the web Mar 14 22:38:24 lcuk: it's only for the desktop currently Mar 14 22:38:58 but it's the most wonderful thing there is, for any platform Mar 14 22:39:02 i saw it was gtk, anything stopping it being built? Mar 14 22:39:14 python, python-webkit, python-webkit-gtk Mar 14 22:39:52 segphault has some plans to do some co-operation with henrik and mauku, they talked about that in Berlin maemo thingie Mar 14 22:40:00 but that's about all I know Mar 14 22:45:25 It looks like may well and truly have driven Texrat out. Mar 14 22:46:28 Myrtti, just FYI, the light is just a train. ;) Mar 14 22:47:35 Myrtti, just installed gwitter, but my past messages doesn't show up like in twitux :( Mar 14 22:48:25 VDVsx: there is a twitter plugin for pidgin on the web.. Mar 14 22:48:33 but psssssst! Mar 14 22:48:35 :P Mar 14 22:50:44 * ShadowJK begins to regret this idea that came at 3am in the morning when bored.. Mar 14 22:51:03 the idea, to read itt forums Mar 14 22:53:33 VDVsx: on getdeb... Mar 14 22:55:06 thopiekar, I only use pidgin in my n810 :), but gonna check Mar 14 22:55:25 :) Mar 14 22:56:29 I use pidgin on my pc (ubuntu) for ICQ MSN (yahoo) GTalk IRC and skype :P Mar 14 22:57:48 I don't like pidgin for IRC, I use Xchat :) Mar 14 22:57:54 * thopiekar is thinking about rebuilding pidgin-twitter to maemo extras.. Mar 14 22:58:46 Xchat is good for sure but I like it when all chat-protocols are in one app :) Mar 14 22:59:19 PIdgin is so gross on the tablets. Mar 14 23:00:38 :P you meant "is zu groß" (german) ... right GeneralAntilles? Mar 14 23:00:49 s/is/ist/ Mar 14 23:00:49 thopiekar meant: :P you meant "ist zu groß" (german) ... right GeneralAntilles? Mar 14 23:00:57 :D Mar 14 23:02:04 pidgin is a little bit slow on the tablets, but works fine :) Mar 14 23:02:45 GeneralAntilles: .. and you are right it's too big but it works :) .. the rtcom-project should work on fresh packages.. Mar 14 23:03:15 VDVsx: yes Mar 14 23:04:53 VDVsx: gwibber, you mean? Mar 14 23:05:14 Myrtti, yup, sorry :) Mar 14 23:05:34 ?! Mar 14 23:07:31 GeneralAntilles: I refuse to believe in your words Mar 14 23:08:39 Myrtti, fair enough, but don't complain when they turn out to be true. :D Mar 14 23:11:59 http://www.spacemart.com/reports/Plans_Unveiled_For_New_Campus_At_Ames_999.html Mar 14 23:12:23 what a terrible place to live Mar 14 23:33:44 hey, is there a way i can get an external keyboard to switch keyboard layout with alt+shift? Mar 15 00:03:10 <[A2K]> hello Mar 15 00:03:48 <[A2K]> is there some good calendar program? (i dont like mcalendar becouse it is buggy and gpe is ugly) Mar 15 00:08:57 [A2K]: they are the best 2 - sorry Mar 15 00:10:16 GeneralAntilles: http://shopper.garage.maemo.org/index.html Mar 15 00:53:33 i'm back :) Mar 15 00:53:54 not sick? Mar 15 00:54:31 not as bad as it was a couple of hours ago Mar 15 00:55:04 i still have headache Mar 15 00:55:19 drinking lots of coffee and taking asprin helped Mar 15 00:55:20 drink water Mar 15 00:55:20 b-man: want some? :) Mar 15 00:55:46 shure XD Mar 15 00:56:16 * b-man is still verry sweaty though :P Mar 15 00:56:57 hey Mar 15 00:56:58 * b-man gets some water to cool himself down Mar 15 00:57:08 does facebook really complain about the current flash player? Mar 15 00:59:55 heh, i allmost had a 104F temperature Mar 15 01:08:08 * b-man packages up the new ubuntu rootstrap image Mar 15 01:11:15 timeless, yes. Mar 15 01:11:27 awesome Mar 15 01:11:42 any idea what it needs? Mar 15 01:13:20 I think it just requires a newer version because the Facebook devs are assholes. Mar 15 01:13:36 Not because there's anything in the newer version that they actually need. Mar 15 01:13:41 sure, but does it sniff based on the plugin description or the api? Mar 15 01:13:50 if it's the version, i can offer a deb like i did last time Mar 15 01:13:57 I'm pretty sure somebody manage to spoof it with the version. Mar 15 01:14:04 So, yeah, a deb might help. Mar 15 01:22:48 hmm, I wonder if http://vimeo.com/1320756 could be made playable on a tablet Mar 15 01:25:23 the n8x0 doesn't have spatial support, so it wouldn't work particularly well :) Mar 15 01:26:05 there's a camera and a screen :) Mar 15 01:26:49 technically true Mar 15 01:32:09 is it possible to permanently disable WiFi PSM? Mar 15 01:32:51 luke-jr, appropriately enough, it's in the connection settings. . . . Mar 15 01:33:09 Configuration steps are listed in the wiki Mar 15 01:33:12 ~wifi-psm Mar 15 01:33:13 somebody said wifi-psm was http://wiki.maemo.org/Wifi_Power_Saving_Mode_(PSM) Mar 15 01:33:38 GeneralAntilles: for ALL connections? Mar 15 01:33:49 PSM just plain doesn't work.. Mar 15 01:34:12 It works just fine. Mar 15 01:34:20 what do you guys use for irc on the mac? (i'm currently in linux) Mar 15 01:34:27 sorry wrong channel Mar 15 01:34:33 GeneralAntilles: no, it makes the network unusable and high packet loss Mar 15 01:34:35 Either your router is broken or you're expecting it to do something it doesn't do. Mar 15 01:34:56 GeneralAntilles: are you defining every Linux-based router as broken? Mar 15 01:35:33 No, I'm really not up for an argument. Mar 15 01:36:19 Is it possible to easily set up a maemo scratchbox environment on fedora? Mar 15 01:38:57 GeneralAntilles: can it be disabled completely or not? Mar 15 01:40:06 luke-jr: fwiw afaiui it's not totally uncommon for it to be broken, since the more common use case, laptops, drain their battery in other ways anyway and don't really psm much Mar 15 01:40:17 not that I recall ever hitting a psmbroken ap Mar 15 01:41:03 but it would be silly to disable it on all networks, since it's just asking to drain your battery rather quickly Mar 15 01:41:03 sp3000: why would Linux not work? :/ Mar 15 01:41:57 I suppose it would be more specific than linux, but what do I know Mar 15 01:42:19 I don't know if anyone's got a database of what products suck Mar 15 01:43:13 * sp3000 sleeps Mar 15 01:43:24 * sp3000 might be just power-saving for all you know Mar 15 01:49:47 "PSM can cause some network issues even on routers with good support." Mar 15 01:49:53 that's what I call broken Mar 15 01:50:03 sp3000: my router runs Linux Mar 15 01:50:07 OpenWrt Mar 15 01:51:30 It's not broken Mar 15 01:51:35 It's just a compromise Mar 15 01:51:54 Do you want to respond to absolutely all incoming network traffic or do you want battery life that's longer than 5 hours? Mar 15 01:52:15 It's one or the other, unfortunately we don't live in magic land, so we can't have both. Mar 15 01:52:40 GeneralAntilles: my N810 is never off its charger 5 hours Mar 15 01:52:59 curiously, ITT thread suggests WRT54G which is one of my two APs Mar 15 01:53:05 the other being La Fonera Mar 15 01:53:09 both running OpenWrt Mar 15 01:53:46 Really, though, I don't feel like arguing. Mar 15 01:53:56 For 99% of users, it's a great feature. Mar 15 01:54:41 I don't feel like arguign either; *I* want to turn it off Mar 15 01:54:50 is that such an unreasonable request? Mar 15 01:55:09 Then turn it off. Mar 15 01:59:15 that's what I'm asking how to do Mar 15 01:59:23 the page you linked only tells per-connection Mar 15 01:59:26 I want it off globally Mar 15 02:00:25 Interestingly enough, it's actually a global setting. Mar 15 02:01:10 so how can I change it globally? :/ Mar 15 02:29:35 where can I get a tcpdump package? :/ Mar 15 02:38:15 hm, is it just me or can the N810 scan while also connected? :o Mar 15 02:49:00 qwerty12_N800, ping? Mar 15 02:56:35 qwerty12_N800, ping? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Mar 15 02:59:56 2009