**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Mar 17 02:59:57 2009 Mar 17 03:00:07 no shit, ubuntu on n810?? Mar 17 03:00:17 yup :D Mar 17 03:00:23 tar isn't compressing anything Mar 17 03:01:12 nvm Mar 17 03:02:02 Mousey: my project even made it to Engadget :D Mar 17 03:02:47 * b-man grabs the link Mar 17 03:02:59 lol Mar 17 03:03:01 really? Mar 17 03:03:16 yes :D Mar 17 03:03:16 ok, you're going on the cool list Mar 17 03:03:29 wait until the news hit Slashdot =) Mar 17 03:04:00 RST38h: that'll be the ubuntu_n8x0 vs android shootout ;) Mar 17 03:04:11 will it have the nbr frontend? Mar 17 03:04:19 that would be funny, and awesome, and finger friendly Mar 17 03:04:27 Ubuntu is going to hit beta soon. Mar 17 03:04:36 That ought to make things better for us to work with it. Mar 17 03:04:52 i know :D Mar 17 03:05:41 * b-man growls at his slow connection Mar 17 03:06:23 * RST38h wonders if audio will ever be possible Mar 17 03:06:30 b-man: does wifi work btw? Mar 17 03:06:32 nbr tho? nbr?? Mar 17 03:06:37 yes Mar 17 03:06:40 W00T!! Mar 17 03:06:45 coolness Mar 17 03:06:49 im not a big fan of it, but for touchscreens YES Mar 17 03:06:56 RST38h: sound ought to work eventually. We got it going in deblet Mar 17 03:07:03 i might just buy another n810 Mar 17 03:07:06 *sniff* Mar 17 03:07:08 you guys rock Mar 17 03:07:10 hey folks Mar 17 03:07:23 hay :D Mar 17 03:07:25 Mousey: new revelations? Mar 17 03:08:08 jaem_laptop: no, mostly me playing catchup with the ubuntu-on-n810 stuff Mar 17 03:08:13 "...the item is a 3D manifestation of an extradimensional audio CD, which is currently playing in a CD player in the 5th dimension." Mar 17 03:08:26 RST38h: um...? Mar 17 03:08:30 neato: ! Mar 17 03:08:38 jaemo: http://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-092 Mar 17 03:08:47 ah, here we go; http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/15/ubuntu-9-04-ported-to-nokias-n8x0-internet-tablets/ Mar 17 03:08:56 :) Mar 17 03:09:44 they stole your screenshot Mar 17 03:09:51 you should have copywrited it :) Mar 17 03:09:54 i know XD Mar 17 03:10:11 Could've made money to fund further work :D Mar 17 03:10:27 copyright © ubuntu-n8x0 All rights reserved. Mar 17 03:11:16 2009 Mar 17 03:11:25 :) Mar 17 03:12:56 * b-man should get a GPL... or GNU XD Mar 17 03:13:49 what is the x86 virtualbox root password? Mar 17 03:13:52 anyone know? Mar 17 03:14:00 I remember it was on the page... Mar 17 03:14:15 it's rootme ;) Mar 17 03:15:37 thanks Mar 17 03:16:25 Question: I have a N810 with the newest OS/update. I've been trying to use the chat application to send text messages. This is my second N810 (manufacturing defect on the first) and it worked on the original. Now when I try to send an IM\Text I get the message "No permission for this operation" and the messages don't send. Any ideas? Mar 17 03:17:12 * b-man thought he saw this message before.. Mar 17 03:17:57 Yep, Last night. No one responded, so thought I would try again. Maybe someone new is on. Mar 17 03:20:23 Brian-: You wouldn't happen to have any suggestions, would you? Mar 17 03:20:48 no, unfortunately :( Mar 17 03:21:21 Hmm... okay. I was hopeing to not write a forum post. Thanks. Mar 17 03:22:48 didn't the forum thread say that Google had blocked third-party clients? Mar 17 03:23:51 what!?!? 0o....... @!?€& Mar 17 03:25:42 theres a reason i run my own jabber server Mar 17 03:26:07 you can have an account if you lie Mar 17 03:26:11 if you liKe Mar 17 03:26:24 plus it interfaces with googletalk users all Mar 17 03:26:50 has ssl, and i won't log/sell your conversations for fun and profit Mar 17 03:26:56 ipndrmath : it seems like I tried it and got that message at first Mar 17 03:27:05 I eventually fixed it. Don't remember how. Mar 17 03:27:18 maybe turn off ssl, or try ssl on port 5222 intead of 5223 Mar 17 03:27:19 Just did an google search and came across something. Mar 17 03:27:20 or vice versa Mar 17 03:27:40 it was something simple... Mar 17 03:27:55 like adding a "+" at the beginning of the lines for the number Mar 17 03:28:48 ipndrmath: My contacts look like this: "+1217XXXYYYZZZZ@sms.talk.google.com" Mar 17 03:29:06 hehe Mar 17 03:29:22 217 is the area code Mar 17 03:29:43 oh wait Mar 17 03:29:56 wasn't there some iphone app that had google turning off their SMS gateway just recently? Mar 17 03:30:10 yah Mar 17 03:30:12 http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/03/15/0056259 Mar 17 03:30:14 http://stackoverflow.com/questions/652857/iphone-like-slot-machine-picker-select-box-for-the-web Mar 17 03:30:30 actually, I mean: "+1XXXYYYZZZZ@sms.talk.google.com" where XXX is the area code, YYY is the prefix and ZZZZ is the final 4 digits to the number Mar 17 03:30:32 should work. Mar 17 03:30:51 I remember reading that too. I don't think it applied to us. Mar 17 03:31:00 but it's a 3rd party app Mar 17 03:31:04 doing sms! Mar 17 03:31:08 how does it not apply? Mar 17 03:39:05 lol.. netsplit Mar 17 03:43:48 SMS should be cheaper than it is Mar 17 03:43:49 * IceFox3 sleeps Mar 17 03:51:27 what is the terminal command to start hildon? Mar 17 03:53:03 wow they seriously need to get zack back on bones Mar 17 04:00:35 wow, missed all that. Thanks, neatojone, Mousey, jaem_laptop. Let me check. I'm pretty sure that the contact is correct as I simply did a backup\restore. If Google did disable 3rd party apps, then I wouldn't be able to receive, no? Mar 17 04:01:43 Macer: where are you watching Bones? Mar 17 04:02:01 * fireun didnt think it was on tonight Mar 17 04:02:11 neatojones: Yep, my contacts are correct. Mar 17 04:02:28 ok. It may be disabled. I thought I read on iTT that it didn't apply to us. Mar 17 04:02:31 Guess it does Mar 17 04:03:18 I'll take a look. Why would It receive, but not send? Mar 17 04:03:47 difference in what server is being used maybe? Mar 17 04:05:10 hmm... seems strange. I suppose I could set up a jabber server, but google was so convenient. Mar 17 04:06:10 how would a private server circumvent the limitation? Mar 17 04:07:32 idk, haven't really looked into it. Google just stopped SMS, so maybe another service would work. Mar 17 04:07:50 I'm not a big chatter, so idk Mar 17 04:09:27 Mousey: you wouldn't happen to have a howto to your setup? Mar 17 04:09:57 not really. i just sort of apt-get install jabberd and went to town from there Mar 17 04:10:17 there's plugins for all the major transports including irc, sms, aim, msn, yahoo Mar 17 04:10:35 what you'd really need more than that is a static IP and/or a domain name Mar 17 04:10:49 I've got a dyndns Mar 17 04:11:18 you're set then Mar 17 04:11:22 also there's #jabber Mar 17 04:11:32 donno how much help it'd be, but setting up jabberd wasn't rocket surgery Mar 17 04:11:40 there's also jabberd2 and ejabberd Mar 17 04:11:41 Where would I need to connect to send SMS. I suppose Gtalk was what you were using. Mar 17 04:11:55 well it's just a mail gateway really Mar 17 04:12:13 good point. Mar 17 04:13:36 I'll play around with it, thanks guys. Mar 17 04:13:53 good luck Mar 17 04:25:01 probably a silly question but has somebody setup a virtual appliance with all the stuff setup for developing for the n810? i'm not on ubunto/debian so i figure it'll be a lot of work to get it all setup. Mar 17 04:25:41 mdeanda, well, um, Debian is the best supported platform the SDK. . . . Mar 17 04:25:48 But, yes, there's a VMWare image available. Mar 17 04:26:07 http://maemovmware.garage.maemo.org/ Mar 17 04:27:03 ahh... i kinda disregarded that page when i first saw it b/c it didn't seem "official" hehe Mar 17 04:27:56 Well, it's not official. Mar 17 04:29:08 but if you accept then its better than some random thing i find on the net.. not sure if you're an expert, but you were in this channel longer than me. :) Mar 17 04:45:00 Morning all. Mar 17 04:45:39 Quick question... Has anyone here gotten lpr working on their 770? Mar 17 04:46:21 mdeanda: GA is on the Council, so I would say he's qualified to judge :P Mar 17 05:18:45 hi guys.installed rootsh.want to install debootstrap.apt-get install debootstrap ,does not recursiveley install dependencies.what am i missing?using n810. Mar 17 05:20:54 mib_ol6gl8: try typing: sudo apt-get -f install Mar 17 05:21:07 or just apt-get -f install if you are already root Mar 17 05:22:14 neatojones: how goes your e17 ubuntu? Mar 17 05:23:54 zakkm: I was running it earlier tonight. Works well. The simpler version, which just uses pre-built debs lacks a few features (which I am actually working on fixing right now). The other method works perfectly, except that it takes a while to compile. Mar 17 05:24:36 So, most people seem to prefer the debs though to try it out. I'd really recommend the deb that uses the easy_e17 script to install. Mar 17 05:24:45 neatojones:error:the following packages have unmet dependencies : wget . if it needs wget, why cannot it install it too? Mar 17 05:24:46 i want sound support :) Mar 17 05:24:56 hehe. Mar 17 05:24:59 got offered a sidekick 3, in box unlocked for my nokia n800 Mar 17 05:25:20 zakkm: There is a tutorial from deblet on iTT for getting sound. YOu can follow it to get sound in Mer/ubuntu as well Mar 17 05:25:42 mib_ol6gl8: Try sudo apt-get install wget Mar 17 05:25:47 i could do with the cash so im trying to sell it Mar 17 05:25:49 but, it may not be ein the repos. Mar 17 05:25:56 maybe buy a n810/ future tablet one day Mar 17 05:26:10 so, try searching the internet with google: using the terms maemo and wget Mar 17 05:26:16 see what you come up with. Mar 17 05:26:29 isnt it in extras/extras-devel? Mar 17 05:26:42 he may not have it enabled. Mar 17 05:27:36 I don't think wget is available on mine. It is probably available somewhere though Mar 17 05:29:26 okay. i found a bunch of sources in /etc/sources/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list.d Mar 17 05:31:33 am i missing a source?is there a list i can refer to, to get these basic utilities? my goal for the night is to debootstrap ubuntu :D Mar 17 05:31:45 zakkm: I bet we'll get sound eventually. So, I've been making the e17 with sound support. Mar 17 05:32:12 thinking i should use my tablet more Mar 17 05:34:16 mib_ol6gl8: if you have rootsh install you should be able to open a terminal and type the following: Mar 17 05:34:33 sudo gainroot (type your password) Mar 17 05:34:46 then type: apt-get install wget Mar 17 05:35:21 If that doesn't work, then try opening the application manager Mar 17 05:35:40 then click on the top of the screen where it says "application manager" Mar 17 05:35:48 a drop down list will appear Mar 17 05:35:57 select tools and then "application catalog" Mar 17 05:36:25 make sure you have entries for maemo Extras and maemo Extras-Devel Mar 17 05:38:29 zakkm: I think b-man has gotten flash working in ubuntu/mer Mar 17 05:38:48 i use xvid downloads, but is it even fast enough Mar 17 05:38:52 even in maemo flash runs very slowly Mar 17 05:39:02 so, we've got flash/java etc, and reasonably fast browsers Mar 17 05:39:33 I've not really used it. But, b-man has compiz working, so it may be fine Mar 17 05:40:26 i have only scim-dev in 'devel' and 'autohome-applet' n 'microb-spellcheck' in extras. do i need additional repositories? Mar 17 05:40:42 i like your e17, it looks like a nice UI Mar 17 05:41:07 wish i had a n810 heh Mar 17 05:41:16 trying to sell my nokia n800, nobody wants to buy Mar 17 05:41:35 It is very nice. If you use the one install method, the n800 would be fine since it has a nice onscreen keyboard Mar 17 05:42:41 did b-man make a installer yet? Mar 17 05:42:50 Not for e17 yet. Mar 17 05:42:54 qole is working on it too. Mar 17 05:43:15 If we get this going it, may really make the 770 usuable again too. Mar 17 05:43:34 illume is pretty light on resources and has some pretty good features Mar 17 05:43:44 It reminds me a lot of android Mar 17 05:43:59 im still hoping for nitdroid, but the updates stopped ;p Mar 17 05:44:46 I think that's more or less related to android than the nitdroid things. Mar 17 05:45:08 no sound, no dsp.. Mar 17 05:45:14 still virtual keyboard problems Mar 17 05:46:09 what what? 770 usable again? eh? Mar 17 05:46:38 mine got wsod, no warranty :( Mar 17 05:47:31 fireun: If yours works...that's great. But, it looks like e17 is the only hope 770 has of having an up-to-date OS. Mar 17 05:47:58 mer? :P Mar 17 05:49:01 basically. The newer hildon is gonna be a bit too heavy for it. Mar 17 05:49:24 e17 isn't an "OS" Mar 17 05:49:36 Hey GeneralAntiles Mar 17 05:49:40 any ideas on how i can sell my n800? :D Mar 17 05:49:41 thanks for the clarification... I never siad it was ;) Mar 17 05:49:57 "it looks like e17 is the only hope 770 has of having an up-to-date OS." Mar 17 05:50:46 GeneralAntilles: what are you rooting for? (mer, ubuntujaunty, fremantle, android) ? Mar 17 05:50:51 I know what i said. e17 is a window manager which make the newer OS's usable on the 770 Mar 17 05:51:14 A newer OS with the Diablo Hildon works just fine. Mar 17 05:51:15 See Mer. Mar 17 05:51:20 last I checked...bash wasnt working so well in the newer os's Mar 17 05:51:42 GeneralAntilles: i thought it would have the new look? thought that was the big thing for mer 0.10? Mar 17 05:51:46 zakkm, I don't care about cellphone OSes. Mar 17 05:52:08 GA: see my earlier comment Mar 17 05:52:26 GA: a "OS" bigger than maemo, more publicly used? Mar 17 05:52:29 why not? Mar 17 05:52:46 Well, A. Google, and B. Java. Mar 17 05:53:06 whats wrong with java? Mar 17 05:53:19 and google for that matter Mar 17 05:53:48 Lots Mar 17 05:53:59 its a beautiful OS Mar 17 05:54:08 GA: Would you rather have a wm on Mer that boots requiring 64Megs of ram of 32? Mar 17 05:54:11 hey is that vmware thing ever going to come true? Mar 17 05:54:34 neatojones, I'd rather have whatever's most functional. Mar 17 05:54:49 ui is the most important :P Mar 17 05:54:54 then speed ;p Mar 17 05:55:11 My argument is that e17 can be at least as functional and doesn't require wasted time with hildonization Mar 17 05:55:35 think about how much easier it'd be to bring new apps into Mer Mar 17 05:55:41 It's also quite a bit less finger friendly. Mar 17 05:55:50 Have you used illume? Mar 17 05:55:53 i think hildon is awesome, like havingit hidden then you click and menu comes up / button Mar 17 05:55:56 I've found it just as finger friendly Mar 17 05:56:07 on dev side it might suck for coding, but using the app, it seems very nice :D Mar 17 05:56:49 and waists way less screen real estate than current (diablo) hildon Mar 17 05:56:59 I'm interested in Mer in the context of bringing Maemo to other devices Mar 17 05:57:06 not as yet-another-random-mobile-distro. Mar 17 05:57:22 could you put e17 on top of mer? Mar 17 05:57:29 and have e17 with mer stuff? :P Mar 17 05:57:31 I'm using it in Mer Mar 17 05:57:34 zakkm, it's just Ubuntu. . . . Mar 17 05:57:36 it's in the mer repos Mar 17 05:57:43 really? Mar 17 05:57:45 yeah Mar 17 05:57:52 I built it and put it there Mar 17 05:57:55 so i could install mer, then apt-get e17 and it would work? Mar 17 05:57:59 yeah Mar 17 05:58:01 that's what I did Mar 17 05:58:03 sickk :D Mar 17 05:58:07 the keyboard isn't working yet Mar 17 05:58:13 i hate the whole ubuntu 9.04 guide Mar 17 05:58:14 It will soon Mar 17 05:58:19 * neatojones crosses fingers Mar 17 05:58:30 so whats wrong with that :D Mar 17 05:58:37 it's in b-man's ubuntu and mer Mar 17 05:58:37 seems like a great idea Mar 17 05:58:54 anyway, linux is all about choice. Mar 17 05:59:06 so, give people the choice of hildon and e17 Mar 17 05:59:16 how hard is it to do the e17, once you have mer installed Mar 17 05:59:19 really, hildon approaches things wrong ( I think) Mar 17 05:59:43 they need to be able to avoid hildonization Mar 17 06:00:03 and simply take the menu and stick it into a new location similar to the globalmenu project Mar 17 06:00:18 It's not something you can really realistically expect and actually get real mobile usability. Mar 17 06:00:24 [rant]... [/rant] Mar 17 06:00:47 why is that? Mar 17 06:01:07 The code is probably a bit heavy for now, but definately within reach for omap3 Mar 17 06:01:10 no problem Mar 17 06:01:18 Most applications are going to require work to work on a mobile device. Mar 17 06:01:23 anyway, someone just needs to go and optimize it Mar 17 06:01:24 we're on omap2 now? Mar 17 06:01:28 I disagree Mar 17 06:01:39 I think that is simply a result of poor implementation thus far. Mar 17 06:01:43 Encouraging people to just recompile everything gets you devices with battery life measured in terms of hours and poor usability. Mar 17 06:02:16 ok... Mar 17 06:02:20 we're thinking a bit differently here Mar 17 06:02:41 cant beat maemo in battery life :) Mar 17 06:03:04 is there an estimated release date for the next tablet? Mar 17 06:03:04 I'm looking at getting as many programs into these devices as possible...making it as easy for developers as possible. You're worried about streamlining the devices. Mar 17 06:03:26 Your approach doesn't help consumers. Mar 17 06:03:33 and consumers are what you need for a platform to be successful. Mar 17 06:03:34 I think that they'll get streamlined eventually. For now, lets just get them mainstream by getting the apps users want out there. Mar 17 06:03:42 which does. Mar 17 06:04:13 no, consumers want to be able to install apps to do what the need to do to get through their day. Mar 17 06:04:14 Then the users find out all the apps don't work well and kill their devices in about 5 hours. Mar 17 06:04:33 that's why they avoid N8x0 for now. Mar 17 06:04:40 they can't do what they need Mar 17 06:04:43 thats why android is a good choice :) also performance is nice :P Mar 17 06:04:56 most users are stupid when it comes to those things Mar 17 06:04:59 Which makes sense, as Nokia hasn't positioned it as a consumer device. Mar 17 06:05:30 my wife, for example couldn't care less... she gets annoyed when it dies. But she'll never even use it if it can't do what she needs to get through her day. Mar 17 06:06:01 like I said, for now...end users just want function. Then we optimize to deliver quality performance. Mar 17 06:06:11 speed :D Mar 17 06:06:15 is very important Mar 17 06:06:31 I'll say again, problem is, they find out that function doesn't function very well, drop the device and don't come back. Mar 17 06:07:03 Anyway, I just wish my neighbors would die. Mar 17 06:07:06 anyway, I think most programs don't behave as badly as you're making them out to. Mar 17 06:07:34 besides, with my theory, you've got plenty of other choices...some of which will likely have good performance Mar 17 06:07:52 someone out there has done a good job coding...which is the argument for e17. Mar 17 06:08:10 they're goal is performance. Mar 17 06:08:38 they've gone through an amazing amount of pain to make it as effecient and light as possible. Mar 17 06:08:38 android is faster :P Mar 17 06:08:42 hehe Mar 17 06:08:55 zakkm: your mom's faster :P Mar 17 06:09:06 -.- Mar 17 06:09:10 shutup Mar 17 06:09:13 * GeneralAntilles wonders what sort of insane person spends an hour and twenty minutes knocking on a door. Mar 17 06:09:39 GA: You're sure they're "knocking on the door"? Mar 17 06:09:48 Yes, quite. Mar 17 06:10:05 is that what they call it there? Mar 17 06:10:11 Unless maybe they're doing it through the door. Mar 17 06:10:20 ;) Mar 17 06:11:57 yes, I agree that making resource sensitivity a high priority is essential to tablet popularity Mar 17 06:12:11 ~chirp, chirp~ ... ~cricket....cricket~ Mar 17 06:12:15 making it able to be linux generic is the wrong focus beyond the developer crowd Mar 17 06:12:36 neatojones: I have two 770s that mostly still work Mar 17 06:12:56 one running 2008, which started out quicker than 2007HE, but is now slow as a dog Mar 17 06:13:26 and the other with the later, and I only got annoyed once today after hours of browsing when it rebooted twice on the same website Mar 17 06:13:35 browser stability and resonsiveness is key Mar 17 06:13:44 yes Mar 17 06:13:49 and android is reponsive :) Mar 17 06:14:11 the only other thing I use it for is listening to streaming music, and typing with my bt keyboard Mar 17 06:15:09 fIreun: what site? Mar 17 06:15:43 hmm Mar 17 06:15:51 not sure anymore Mar 17 06:16:05 morning all Mar 17 06:16:45 is anything usable yet? nitdroid, mer? Mar 17 06:16:49 This is on really short notice, but the maemo.org wiki and the main site (partially) will be down for about 30 minutes Mar 17 06:17:04 i want to use nitdroid XD Mar 17 06:17:17 I think Mer is supposed to be somewhat usable. It's in heavy development. But can do basics. Mar 17 06:17:19 wish there was dsp and sound support Mar 17 06:17:25 No sound yet. Mar 17 06:17:30 I need the aforementioned functionality, which necessitates wifi as well as onscreen keyboard (: Mar 17 06:17:31 you can do the deblet hacks though Mar 17 06:17:43 Seems like they might have gotten wifi now. Mar 17 06:17:51 onscreen keyboard was working. Mar 17 06:17:51 I dont mind being a tester, like I said, I've got two tablets Mar 17 06:17:58 when one is one the fritz, I take the other Mar 17 06:18:08 check out the Mer page...there is a 770 image Mar 17 06:18:21 and the one running crappy 2008 is the one with a broken audio socket, so sound is not very important Mar 17 06:18:24 fireun, want to purchase a n800? :D Mar 17 06:18:36 zakkm: no job, and school to pay for, so no. (: Mar 17 06:18:41 but you can still send it to me Mar 17 06:18:44 lol Mar 17 06:18:46 trying to sell it Mar 17 06:19:07 ah, good luck with that... gotta be better odds than selling a YLOD ps3 Mar 17 06:19:14 zakkm: how much are you looking for? Mar 17 06:19:20 n810's are getting pretty cheap I've heard Mar 17 06:19:23 I'll give ya 10bucks? Mar 17 06:19:26 (; Mar 17 06:19:27 I'm not in the market, but I have some friends that we're considering Mar 17 06:19:28 150 Canadian? Mar 17 06:19:39 ...sounds a bit high to me Mar 17 06:19:39 right, so like 20bucksUS? Mar 17 06:19:48 $118 USD.. + $6 shipping i think it was Mar 17 06:19:57 will come with a 4gb SD, and female to female usb adapter.. and a extra case Mar 17 06:20:06 tekojo: why? Mar 17 06:20:08 looks like qole got e17 working *with the illume keyboard in diablo chroot Mar 17 06:20:17 zakkm: that's not that bad, then, I guess Mar 17 06:20:18 debian chroot? Mar 17 06:20:23 but I can't afford it :P Mar 17 06:20:25 I mean mer Mar 17 06:20:30 my bad... Mar 17 06:20:35 ;o Mar 17 06:20:39 er...ubuntu Mar 17 06:20:40 timelE61i: filesystem needs a patch, it leaves stale NFS handles Mar 17 06:21:22 yUm Mar 17 06:21:57 i should try that :) Mar 17 06:22:03 i need onscreen keyboard ;p Mar 17 06:23:57 * fireun wonders how long the maemo.org outage will be fore Mar 17 06:24:05 my uni uses the website TurnItIn.com for a lot of classes, which essentially forces you to sign over the rights to your papers in order to detect plagiarism... Mar 17 06:24:22 my friend is in a CS ethics class, and is writing about OSS vs Free Software... Mar 17 06:24:39 mine required me to write my final in pen, by hand, on wide ruled paper... Mar 17 06:24:40 * fireun gags Mar 17 06:24:55 and we all hate the site, so she's licensing the paper under CC, and claiming legal incompatibility of her license and the ToS as an excuse Mar 17 06:24:56 :P Mar 17 06:25:40 plagiarism is a huge stinky cow Mar 17 06:26:07 no easy way around it Mar 17 06:27:39 Death by a thousand paper cuts; Mar 17 06:27:50 That'll solve it right quick. ;) Mar 17 06:28:00 :( Mar 17 06:28:05 yeah, but the problem is that paper cuts are hard to inflict on purpose... Mar 17 06:28:09 * timelE61i got a papercut last night Mar 17 06:28:28 * jaem gives timelE61i another one to match Mar 17 06:28:48 jaem, clearly there's a weekend robotics project called for. Mar 17 06:28:56 time Mar 17 06:29:07 GAN800: that's a terrible, evil thing you're proposing, but I like it :D Mar 17 06:29:14 oh sure, mer .09 on 770 install looks like a piece of cake Mar 17 06:29:15 not Mar 17 06:29:20 timelE61i, did you cut that evil paper right back? ;) Mar 17 06:29:29 Scissors beat paper Mar 17 06:29:39 but paper disproves Spock Mar 17 06:29:46 no, i left it on a table and a coworker rolled it up Mar 17 06:29:50 also, regarding projects: http://spritesmods.com/?art=swordfish Mar 17 06:29:51 epic Mar 17 06:29:54 GAN800: how do you decide who to give the papercuts to? Mar 17 06:29:57 lottery Mar 17 06:30:19 so, 10% get 10k papercuts just to put the fear in the rest? Mar 17 06:30:31 *rigged* lottery Mar 17 06:31:00 and yes Mar 17 06:31:07 it's like the Roman practice of decimation Mar 17 06:31:11 only with less randomness Mar 17 06:31:14 No, we just give fireun all of the paper cuts. :p Mar 17 06:31:22 OH NOEZ! SOMEONE USED UP THE ENTROPY! Mar 17 06:31:25 speaking of lottery, when is the android distributed voting system coming out? Mar 17 06:31:27 I guess we'll have to rig it Mar 17 06:31:34 GAN800: I set your paper on FIRE Mar 17 06:31:40 fire beats paper every time Mar 17 06:32:01 * jaem pulls out his anti-fire matches, strikes one, and #maemo implodes Mar 17 06:32:24 it doesnt implode, it just looks like that when it reboots Mar 17 06:32:40 * fireun is tired of lockups and reboots Mar 17 06:32:53 It's too bad infobot doesn't have a nuclear option. Mar 17 06:33:05 770s suck Mar 17 06:34:23 fireun: it'll get there. Need people with 770's to test it and make it better. Mar 17 06:34:47 so mer is bigger than will fit on internal mem? gotta have the 1GB MMC and dual boot eh? Mar 17 06:35:14 GAN800: its what I've got, and I want to keep using it.. I already have too many unusable tablets Mar 17 06:35:48 all I use it for is looking up wikipedia, the news, and typing.. its a fraking internet enabled typewriter for me. that is all. Mar 17 06:35:58 stability is more important than visual candy Mar 17 06:36:30 the attractive thing about nitdroid is easy to build android apps Mar 17 06:36:55 * fireun thinks dashboard apps should be the same thing Mar 17 06:37:43 neatojones: that could be me Mar 17 06:38:03 fIreun: disable flash Mar 17 06:38:08 but I've only got one big RSMMC, and its currently in the nicer of the two Mar 17 06:38:34 timelE61i: eh? what? Mar 17 06:38:35 nitdroid is awesome, if it was only more stable ;p Mar 17 06:38:54 in your browser Mar 17 06:39:05 which browser, and why? Mar 17 06:39:26 * fireun uses noscript in firefox, so only gets flash when he really wants it Mar 17 06:40:00 anybody know, why usb host on n810 is so slow? Mar 17 06:40:55 why does the mer page say N8x0 can just be flashed, but a 770 needs fancy boot menu and big MMC? Mar 17 06:41:30 fireun: cos a 770 only has 64mb of internal flash? :P Mar 17 06:41:36 ok, 128mb Mar 17 06:41:39 either way, it's not enough Mar 17 06:42:01 eye sea Mar 17 06:42:24 and whats with the 48Mhz kernel mention? Mar 17 06:42:47 also, I'm guessing that the MMC setup is done in another PC? Mar 17 06:43:43 Stskeeps: yeah, 128 millibits won't run much these days :P Mar 17 06:43:51 Stskeeps: any gut feeling when .11 is slated for release? Mar 17 06:44:24 fireun: MMC setup can be done on 770 itself with a bit of blood sweat and tears, or just through usb mass storage Mar 17 06:44:42 I've not had the best of luck with usb mass storage Mar 17 06:45:02 fireun: 2 weeks from yesterday is the development period and then 1 week of testing, so 6th of april Mar 17 06:45:07 transfering files over, lags, stops, leaves usb icon on when disconnect, ect. Mar 17 06:45:19 the image wasn't functioning properly so we need to work more structured :/ Mar 17 06:45:20 Stskeeps: ah, I'm back at school the 1st Mar 17 06:45:26 Stskeeps: is it going to have the new maemo 5 sdk look? Mar 17 06:45:48 zakkm: are you going to write us opengl drivers? :P Mar 17 06:46:00 oh, thats required? Mar 17 06:46:09 uh Mar 17 06:46:11 well, no, but we get closer Mar 17 06:46:13 yikes Mar 17 06:46:19 * neatojones drops out of med school to write opengl drivers Mar 17 06:46:26 how about a fully raytraced UI while we're at it Mar 17 06:46:30 * jaem drops out of engineering to work as a doctor to fund it Mar 17 06:46:35 neatojones: appreciate it :) Mar 17 06:46:35 neatojones: you probably wouldn't be the first Mar 17 06:46:36 hah Mar 17 06:46:42 * jaem is not sure how that would work Mar 17 06:46:46 zakkm: we're going for a layout not unlike http://tabletui.wordpress.com/2009/02/18/mer-ui-scalability/ Mar 17 06:46:48 * fireun drops out of engineering to sit around in IRC and chat about it Mar 17 06:46:49 lol Mar 17 06:47:05 * jaem gets the hint and goes to bed so he can get up for his lab >_< Mar 17 06:47:10 Oh, good news for me... Mar 17 06:47:13 oh? Mar 17 06:47:13 so going to make it rotated? Mar 17 06:47:17 I matched into Emergency medicine Mar 17 06:47:22 * fireun got all his finals finished today Mar 17 06:47:32 So, I get to be an ER doctor like I had hoped. Mar 17 06:47:42 ...some year Mar 17 06:48:05 zakkm: no, works in both rotated and non-rotated Mar 17 06:48:16 when is testing for that ? Mar 17 06:48:26 can we have the mer logo pulse while were at it? Mar 17 06:48:28 neatojones: "this tablet's going into brown-out! Quick - get me the meter!" Mar 17 06:48:56 "clear!" Mar 17 06:49:04 zakkm: Just wait til the day I pull a tablet out of a .... Mar 17 06:49:09 * jaem high fives fireun Mar 17 06:49:19 ? Mar 17 06:49:20 bzzzert Mar 17 06:49:31 "take it to 300!" Mar 17 06:49:37 * jaem wonders if tablets are born in cable-tangle nests, like baby switches Mar 17 06:49:38 no Mar 17 06:49:40 fireun: only pulse is when it highlights when touched :P Mar 17 06:49:40 not 300 Mar 17 06:49:44 you'll fry the tablet. Mar 17 06:49:49 only 200 Mar 17 06:49:52 :D Mar 17 06:49:59 you're the doctor Mar 17 06:50:04 and don't forget to use the gel Mar 17 06:50:07 "she can take it, give it all ya got!" Mar 17 06:50:11 ok Mar 17 06:50:12 don't wanna leave burn marks Mar 17 06:50:15 what's the warranty on this patient, anyhow? Mar 17 06:50:46 "I'm sorry, sir, but you will have to have a low-level format operation" Mar 17 06:50:53 wiki.maemo.org and everything else is now back online Mar 17 06:50:54 Stskeeps: I was kidding, slightly. Dont get me started on UI critique, it'll go on for a while, and get philosophical. Mar 17 06:51:15 fireun: my body has not yet touched caffeine this morning so most stuff goes over my head :P Mar 17 06:51:18 "Reflashing could cause side-effects of lost data and preferences" Mar 17 06:51:33 I aviod caffiene...get shak7y Mar 17 06:51:37 shaky. Mar 17 06:51:45 "take two red pills every morning with coffee" Mar 17 06:51:49 :P Mar 17 06:51:54 g'night! Mar 17 06:51:59 Stskeeps: I'm still going on the second steeping of a tea I had at 4 Mar 17 06:52:03 people don't like it when you go to do a rectal or pelvic or stitch on someone and your hands are shaking Mar 17 06:52:14 I wouldn't think so... Mar 17 06:52:17 ...not sure why Mar 17 06:52:20 not that I have experience in that Mar 17 06:52:22 go figure... Mar 17 06:52:33 neatojones: coffee caffine, or any? Mar 17 06:52:42 I was gonna be an eye surgeon... Mar 17 06:52:58 you'd fix iPhones? Mar 17 06:52:59 green tea is the best of all caffine worlds imho Mar 17 06:53:01 bad move Mar 17 06:53:03 really anything...too much stress, lack of sleep, caffeine. Mar 17 06:53:05 good thing you didn't Mar 17 06:53:20 neatojones: remind me never to end up in >your< ER Mar 17 06:53:40 considering ER doctors usually are on shift for Long Periods (tm) Mar 17 06:53:57 "now, let me just make an incision right on the cornea..." "Hey, have you ever seen my collection of glass eyes?" "I'm having a sale." Mar 17 06:54:09 haha Mar 17 06:54:29 neatojones: should be "and to think, I just got another shipment of 1000 glass eyeballs in yesterday" Mar 17 06:54:51 don't worry, they wouldn't have seen my mistakes Mar 17 06:54:52 "they're giving me the bulk rate now" Mar 17 06:54:58 lol Mar 17 06:54:58 har Mar 17 06:55:07 I know...it was so punny Mar 17 06:55:16 you should see a doctor about that Mar 17 06:55:26 There's no helping me. Mar 17 06:55:31 you may need a punnyplasty Mar 17 06:55:56 actually, I could take a medicine to help with the tremor. But, the side effects are junk like diarrhea... Mar 17 06:56:11 which you would take more medicine to counteract... yadda yadda Mar 17 06:56:22 I think I'll take the tremor. Oddly enough, it doesn't have an effect on my suturing and stuff. Mar 17 06:56:26 I'm really good at it. Mar 17 06:56:35 "may cause bleeding from sweat glands and encephalitis" Mar 17 06:56:48 XD Mar 17 06:56:59 that's minor in comparison to tremors Mar 17 06:57:03 I'd take it any day Mar 17 06:57:51 how well does video from Ted work on the N810, if it's playing locally? Mar 17 06:57:52 they aren't bad. in certain positions. Mar 17 06:58:18 and only when I drink caffeine, don't sleep, or am too stressed. Mar 17 06:58:39 alcohol is supposed to help...oddly enough I haven't done *too many pelvic or rectal exams when drunk Mar 17 06:58:51 suturing...that's another story. Mar 17 06:59:01 jk Mar 17 07:01:08 I thought about going for a DI program, but then I realized there'd be a lot of old people needing contrast media - not a very pretty picture Mar 17 07:01:34 so its engineering for me! (: Mar 17 07:01:42 DI? Mar 17 07:01:51 diagnostic imaging Mar 17 07:01:53 ah Mar 17 07:01:58 radiology Mar 17 07:02:19 I'm an adrenaline junkie. Mar 17 07:02:32 you wont be forever Mar 17 07:02:54 true. Mar 17 07:03:05 the biomed engineering at my uni gives you premed as well, and a prof was saying that several of his students took an engineering Bachelor's and then went to med school Mar 17 07:03:16 luckily, good er docs learn to purge the adrenaline. Otherwise they make mistakes. Mar 17 07:03:17 heh Mar 17 07:03:18 I commented that they should have finished up with Law, to round it out Mar 17 07:03:35 probably. Mar 17 07:03:35 jaem: I'm looking at bioengineering (minus the med) Mar 17 07:03:42 http://www.forwardon.com/view.php?e=Id1200c8f6b7f5f813 Mar 17 07:03:44 heh, so true.. Mar 17 07:03:45 I ahve a few MD/JD students in my class Mar 17 07:03:46 jaem: its a young but growing field Mar 17 07:03:58 wait, 40% in comp.sci? :P Mar 17 07:04:27 they get both degrees. Only takes 6 years at my school. In the states we have to get an undergrade degree first though Mar 17 07:04:39 so, it takes about 10 years + post high school education. Mar 17 07:05:03 neatojones: the adrenaline does not do a body good Mar 17 07:05:13 g'night, #maemo Mar 17 07:05:20 good night Mar 17 07:05:39 yeah. Not on a chronic basis. Mar 17 07:05:56 Stskeeps: ah, good thing I waited till later in life to go back to school [8 Mar 17 07:05:59 short term, it can be a real good thing Mar 17 07:06:02 bwahaha Mar 17 07:06:15 neatojones: see definition of "adrenaline junkie" Mar 17 07:06:16 fireun: i'm quite convinced the rate in my department is higher Mar 17 07:06:21 like when being chased by a bear or something Mar 17 07:07:16 I was actually just joking about that. Like I said, good ER docs learn not to get excited. Keeping our cool is what makes us good in emergency situations. Mar 17 07:07:24 neatojones: yeah, but you dont feel down that you didnt get chased by a bear today Mar 17 07:07:37 I know I so Mar 17 07:07:40 do* Mar 17 07:07:46 hmm Mar 17 07:07:52 or being "meh" over a bear coming at you? ;) Mar 17 07:08:11 depends...what kind of bear? Mar 17 07:08:17 GOOD BEER Mar 17 07:08:24 jaem_afk: yeah, thats me Mar 17 07:08:25 My wife was wanting a pet grizzly. :) Mar 17 07:08:29 the kind that doesn't have a slogan of "drinkablity" Mar 17 07:08:45 they're so "cute" when their small, you know. Mar 17 07:08:58 "I could really go for a good life threatening run from a bear today" Mar 17 07:09:29 yeah, like racoons are cute when they're small Mar 17 07:09:35 then they go freaky on ya Mar 17 07:09:36 well, they say you don't appreciate things until they're gone, and we could all do with appreciating life more :P Mar 17 07:09:50 so yeah, being mauled by a bear could be healthy Mar 17 07:09:54 lol Mar 17 07:10:04 sure, but its all appreciating the >past< life Mar 17 07:10:17 "it was always better back then" Mar 17 07:10:24 "what doesn't kill you only makes you stronger." Mar 17 07:10:35 "pain is just weakness leaving the body" Mar 17 07:10:37 or, maybe just stupid... Mar 17 07:10:44 fireun: well, presumably there isn't an infinite recursion of afterlives, so we should be fine there :P Mar 17 07:10:48 If at first you don't succeed. Mar 17 07:10:51 you fail Mar 17 07:10:54 jaem_afk: or >is< there? Mar 17 07:10:59 skydiving probably isn't your sport. Mar 17 07:11:07 fireun; I have my doubts Mar 17 07:11:13 neatojones: essentially what I said Mar 17 07:11:28 jaem_afk: doubts are all you can be sure about ya know Mar 17 07:11:45 and I'm sure that I doubt that you can be sure of it Mar 17 07:12:15 gah - IRC kept me up all night last night - I'm >actually< going to bed now Mar 17 07:12:20 * fireun would be a good philosophy major, but there's no money in being unproductive Mar 17 07:12:37 think deep thoughts about being unemployed Mar 17 07:12:55 medicine pays well here for now* Mar 17 07:13:00 just wait till we go socialized. Mar 17 07:13:09 Proteous: actually, ends up being mostly shallow thoughts, like "I could really go for a big bacon burger right about now" while eating ramen Mar 17 07:13:14 lol Mar 17 07:13:27 I gots a pot roast in the oven Mar 17 07:13:35 NO RAMEN FOR ME Mar 17 07:13:52 neatojones: I've been in two bubbles now, I'm not falling for that old line of "if you can just get in the industry, you'll make good money" as soon as you do... *POP* Mar 17 07:14:14 Proteous: beef roast? Mar 17 07:14:17 yeah Mar 17 07:14:33 I did an great pork roast the other night, its all about the dry rub Mar 17 07:14:45 * fireun had a revelation Mar 17 07:14:49 I make some mean baby back ribs with a nice rub Mar 17 07:14:56 Ah, I didn't go into it for the money Mar 17 07:15:01 I've always gone sauce/marinades... Mar 17 07:15:06 I'm actually more interested in international mission work Mar 17 07:15:18 Emergency medicine is perfect training for it. Mar 17 07:15:24 I do a rub then a BBQ sauce at the end Mar 17 07:15:33 neatojones: I was interested in the >stability< and excellent support in the work environment Mar 17 07:15:54 but now, I'm having doubts that it'll be the challenge that will keep me occupied Mar 17 07:16:18 Proteous: isnt that kind of overkill? Mar 17 07:16:23 no no no Mar 17 07:16:24 heh Mar 17 07:16:37 forget roast...grill Mar 17 07:16:41 Proteous: my dry rub was half brown sugar, its already glazed and sweetened Mar 17 07:16:46 yeah Mar 17 07:16:50 neatojones: ya gotta be flexible with food Mar 17 07:17:10 I've used a brown sugar based rub with good effect on beef steaks Mar 17 07:17:15 I pulled out my grill for the first time this year today. Mar 17 07:17:27 Proteous: I did an apple concentrate glaze on some game hens for thanksgiving a couple years back, oh man.. that was some good gravy Mar 17 07:17:40 I've never cooked a game hen Mar 17 07:17:53 eh, I wouldnt recommend it, they were.... too gamey for me Mar 17 07:17:57 although we brined our turkey for the first time this year, was great Mar 17 07:18:02 I'm gonna end up with an ulcer though. I eat hot sauce on everything. I think I should've been mexican or something. Mar 17 07:18:29 you should see my fridge, gotta be 6 or 7 dif hot sauces in there... Mar 17 07:18:38 Proteous: I'm not a big believer of the boxes of salt trick, it just seems so crazy Mar 17 07:19:00 just think juicy moist turkey Mar 17 07:19:08 * fireun hearts home made pickles with jalapeno pepper Mar 17 07:19:11 Proteus: nice. Mar 17 07:19:13 it really is the way to go Mar 17 07:19:22 Proteous: yeah, again, I'm gonna go with a glaze Mar 17 07:19:25 although a little cumbersome Mar 17 07:19:34 I don't like hot for the sake of hot though. It's gotta have good flavor. Mar 17 07:19:35 and orange chunks stuffed inside Mar 17 07:19:38 I've brined pork chops too, good stuff Mar 17 07:20:09 For hot sauce I recomend Tapatio http://www.tapatiohotsauce.com/ Mar 17 07:20:27 >el< tapatio Mar 17 07:20:32 and sriracha Mar 17 07:20:45 jebus, if you want to scorch your tastebuds Mar 17 07:20:58 tapatio is one of the few hot sauces you get find without vinegar in it Mar 17 07:21:04 you put that stuff on asian food you dont recognize Mar 17 07:21:09 lol Mar 17 07:21:12 it's great on eggs Mar 17 07:21:20 and that stares back at you Mar 17 07:21:21 and pot roast sammiches Mar 17 07:21:35 I can never taste anything BUT the sriracha Mar 17 07:21:58 heh Mar 17 07:22:04 * fireun has a sudden crazing for a Vietnamese sandwich Mar 17 07:22:13 this stuff is great on pot roast too: http://72.3.185.161/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=TM&Product_Code=FSHM&Category_Code=MST Mar 17 07:22:17 and a pork bun with an egg inside Mar 17 07:22:23 nice Mar 17 07:22:28 ok, this is NOT #foodnetwork Mar 17 07:22:35 heh Mar 17 07:22:36 lol Mar 17 07:22:40 * fireun loves watching Good Eats Mar 17 07:22:42 yeah Mar 17 07:22:47 alton brown is great Mar 17 07:22:59 he does Iron Chef America too Mar 17 07:23:01 yeah Mar 17 07:23:20 I used to watch the orig iron chef on the asian channel with an anntenna Mar 17 07:23:31 luckly there were subtitles Mar 17 07:23:41 everyone should be required to only tv that subtly teaches you something at the same time as it entertains you Mar 17 07:24:00 some of the good eats episodes are almost too campy to watch Mar 17 07:24:02 I got it with voiceover Mar 17 07:24:35 * fireun notices the channel has abrutly been derailed into food Mar 17 07:24:39 lol Mar 17 07:24:47 bacon? Mar 17 07:24:48 :P Mar 17 07:24:48 so, how about those maemos Mar 17 07:24:55 "my roast beef sandwich just rebooted!" Mar 17 07:25:34 "how do I flash my hard boiled egg with the squash image?" Mar 17 07:25:49 fav mustard? Mar 17 07:25:55 * fireun gets more senile the later it gets Mar 17 07:26:00 beaver sweet hot mustard for me Mar 17 07:26:00 stone ground spicy Mar 17 07:26:13 or yeah, that exact stuff Mar 17 07:26:20 goes great on anything Mar 17 07:26:34 I need to find a souce that has bigger bottles of it Mar 17 07:26:39 hah Mar 17 07:27:01 "mustard never goes bad!" Mar 17 07:28:32 this warehouse food market I used to go to, had a vendor out front during the summer that sold bbq hotdogs and chicken breast on a soft roll... add sweet hot mustard and I was good to go... so good. Mar 17 07:28:43 nice Mar 17 07:28:49 simple eats Mar 17 07:29:03 farmers market in town starts up pretty soon, best corndogs ever Mar 17 07:29:30 I'm getting more and more picky about my hot dogs every year Mar 17 07:30:04 heh Mar 17 07:30:14 no more $1.99 12 packs? Mar 17 07:30:22 * fireun shudders Mar 17 07:30:45 * fireun retches slightly at the thought of the smell Mar 17 07:30:52 hah Mar 17 07:30:57 if you boil them long enough... Mar 17 07:31:01 change the water a few times Mar 17 07:31:06 hah Mar 17 07:31:17 "what are those long things swiming away from the hotdogs?" Mar 17 07:31:27 sorry to interrupt you guys, but I saw reports that kismet/aircrack-ng weren't playing nice with the chip driver used in n810/Diablo, is it still the case? Mar 17 07:31:58 Corsac: I'm am afronted at your sense of OnTopicness! [; Mar 17 07:32:05 sorry :( Mar 17 07:32:10 can I add mustard to kismet, maybe? Mar 17 07:32:16 heh Mar 17 07:32:23 lol Mar 17 07:32:25 doesnt make it any more stable, sorry Mar 17 07:32:31 just harder to clean up Mar 17 07:32:40 yeah, I guess so Mar 17 07:32:52 a simple restart doesnt do the job Mar 17 07:32:58 you could use mustards slight abrasive properties to polish your screen Mar 17 07:33:10 * fireun uses screen protectors Mar 17 07:33:16 although you'd never get rid of the smell Mar 17 07:33:24 yum Mar 17 07:33:45 * fireun considers a tablet that reaks of sriracha forever Mar 17 07:34:23 Corsac: in any case, cant help ya with the 810 on crack issues Mar 17 07:34:50 Corsac: I'd ask again when more people are awake Mar 17 07:35:13 * fireun should soon join the reversion Mar 17 07:36:00 * fireun signs off Mar 17 07:36:48 Stskeeps: http://tabletui.wordpress.com/ Mar 17 07:36:48 are you suggesting that Mer run on a bic lighter? seriously, why is there a lighter in the pic? Mar 17 07:37:10 not my blog, it's wazds, and it's a joke on getting it to run on a lot of different platforms in terms of scalability Mar 17 07:38:05 ah Mar 17 07:38:19 whats the site to follow on Mer dev? Mar 17 07:38:43 tracking the RSS on http://www.jaiku.com/channel/mer maybe Mar 17 07:39:13 http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer doesnt seem to show a bugtracker link either Mar 17 07:39:25 hmm, I dont really RSS Mar 17 07:39:36 nor do I twit Mar 17 07:39:42 well then :P Mar 17 07:39:48 * fireun shrugs Mar 17 07:39:56 I'll have to sleep on it Mar 17 07:43:01 mmhh, my UI still doesn't look like that :) Mar 17 07:52:35 Corsac, yeah, still missing artwork Mar 17 09:06:27 * rmt taps his foot impatiently.. DHL now says that my N810 is in Perugia and with the courier.. so it's just a waiting game now. Mar 17 09:06:45 hehe Mar 17 09:07:01 I hope it's not a lemon, otherwise I'll be a little disappointed. Mar 17 09:07:13 i almost never part with my tablet. Mar 17 09:08:36 My girlfriend will probably pry it from my hands when we go out together.. she's jealous of computers. ;) Mar 17 09:08:45 don't show her the mahjong port. Mar 17 09:10:36 i ended up giving a 770 to mine ;) Mar 17 09:10:44 * rmt grins. Mar 17 09:12:01 You said that you'd upgraded the Gtk libs on diablo to those from Mer.. did it break any applications? They're meant to be API compatible changes, but... Mar 17 09:12:23 so far not Mar 17 09:12:28 Excellent. :-) Mar 17 09:13:31 Also, interestingly, trying to do import gtk from python2.5 in scratchbox gives me a not found error.. using the original gtk libraries (my compiled ones require LD_LIBRARY_PATH to be set) Mar 17 09:13:54 sys.path has the pygtk 2.5 dir Mar 17 09:14:03 May have to strace it. Mar 17 09:15:27 sb is a can of worms occasionally Mar 17 09:16:27 I think the best setup may be an NFS mounted devkit on the device itself.. Mar 17 09:44:26 hm, nfs mounted devkit... sounds interesting Mar 17 09:45:29 http://www.b0g.org/wsnm/articles/How+to+be+a+True+b0g+Shitter hahaha, a spider Mar 17 10:07:42 * Myrtti prods X-Fade gently with a feather Mar 17 10:22:29 Myrtti, arrive safe? Mar 17 10:23:17 lcuk: fidding with my n800 as we speak :-D Mar 17 10:23:30 taking "unboxing" pictures of all the junk I've bought Mar 17 10:23:46 you need to put the technology down and start widdling with your new wetware :P Mar 17 10:24:06 myrtti, byou finally found reasonably priced one? Mar 17 10:24:07 he's at work, and technically so am I Mar 17 10:24:41 inz: @gerrymoth at Jaiku/twitter/identica sold me his old for £70 incl. 4GB MMC Mar 17 10:24:48 not bad Mar 17 10:24:54 I agree Mar 17 10:25:44 technically it's not mine yet, I have to give the bf some backrubs for paying it since gerry didn't know his IBAN/SWIFT Mar 17 10:26:02 :-P Mar 17 10:26:54 heh, so your bf is paying off the n800 by giving proxy backrubs as well or has he paid in cash :p Mar 17 10:28:40 he paid in cash. in reality I'll probably pay for few times at Tesco etc. Mar 17 10:28:57 my morality wont allow me to brush this off with mere backrubs Mar 17 10:29:14 £70 is a lot of money Mar 17 10:29:54 ick, danish news claim 1700 getting laid off in nokia Mar 17 10:31:02 yeah I saw the press release Mar 17 10:31:12 :( Mar 17 10:31:32 backrubs? i want some! Mar 17 10:31:44 x29a: sorry Mar 17 10:31:59 lcuk: and talking about wetware, he's at work and technically so am I Mar 17 10:32:39 OMG. Numpty physics loads and WORKS. Mar 17 10:32:44 lol :P Mar 17 10:32:56 and down goes Myrtti's productivity Mar 17 10:33:20 nah, just had to put it on to check what's innit Mar 17 10:33:32 I'm going to flash it tomorrow so I'll get a clean slate Mar 17 10:33:37 s/tomorrow/today/ Mar 17 10:33:38 Myrtti meant: I'm going to flash it today so I'll get a clean slate Mar 17 10:33:46 infobot: I love you Mar 17 10:33:47 You love you? Mar 17 10:33:52 what are you gonna do with your n800 while you are flashing? Mar 17 10:36:42 nuttin :-P Mar 17 10:38:23 :D Mar 17 10:39:29 hi. is there a way to remove packages from extras-devel repository? I built python-simplejson, but now i see it is already there (under simplejson/python-simplejson) Mar 17 10:40:02 X-Fade, ^^ Mar 17 10:40:27 sanchiii, X-Fade is the man in the know i think Mar 17 10:40:46 lcuk, thanks, I will ask him Mar 17 10:55:21 hm Mar 17 10:55:50 is the extra repo down for normal maemo5.2? Mar 17 10:56:41 i have "no applications available" in the application manager Mar 17 11:04:44 5.2?? Mar 17 11:05:09 thats what it says Mar 17 11:05:17 where? Mar 17 11:05:29 oh ups Mar 17 11:05:34 5.2008.43-7 Mar 17 11:05:56 so... Mar 17 11:06:05 The 2 is from the year :) Mar 17 11:06:06 timelE61i: you time travelled and maemo 5.2 is already out ;P Mar 17 11:06:20 And the 5 is a service release number Mar 17 11:06:27 timelE61i: true, got it Mar 17 11:06:30 The 43 is a week number Mar 17 11:06:39 The 7 is a randomish number Mar 17 11:06:48 i booted my other version and updated the program cache, now applications seem to be there Mar 17 11:06:58 And none of them tell you which ver of maemo you have :) Mar 17 11:07:24 hm Mar 17 11:10:45 http://www.grancanariadesktopsummit.org/ - I swear I found yesterday information about the recommended accommodation from home, and now can't find any info from the office Mar 17 11:10:50 victim of a big cache issue? Mar 17 11:11:58 qgil: http://www.grancanariadesktopsummit.org/hotels Mar 17 11:12:00 what is the most recent date you see atb http://www.grancanariadesktopsummit.org/index.php/Latest_news Mar 17 11:12:14 "recommended accomendations" Mar 17 11:12:20 http://www.grancanariadesktopsummit.org/hotels = Not Found for me.... weird Mar 17 11:12:28 DNS issue maybe Mar 17 11:12:32 i'll save a copy, se Mar 17 11:12:33 c Mar 17 11:12:57 I just need to know the official hotel name Mar 17 11:13:20 I remember some promise about very cheap accommodation. Mar 17 11:13:34 http://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/hotels1.htm , http://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/hotels2.htm Mar 17 11:13:52 qgil: "Fagata Hotel" is main hotel it seems Mar 17 11:14:01 * hhahlo got beautiful big "44" blue screen 'bad_pool_caller' (vista sp1) Mar 17 11:14:04 er. Fataga Mar 17 11:14:07 Stskeeps: ah yes, that was the one - thanks! Mar 17 11:14:18 yeah, cheap accommodation was "promised" on the guadec mailing list iirc Mar 17 11:14:47 hhahlo: did you configure useful dmp files? Mar 17 11:15:19 andre__: That main hotel is 84.00 per night though. Grumble. Mar 17 11:16:12 timelE61i: no :) Mar 17 11:16:57 uh Mar 17 11:51:47 'lo kozak Mar 17 11:52:10 Hi Stskeeps! Mar 17 11:54:59 hey guys Mar 17 11:55:04 Stskeeps, esp. you Mar 17 11:55:10 you got a free ad Mar 17 11:55:12 http://tech.wp.pl/kat,1009781,title,Alternatywny-linuksowy-system-dla-urzadzen-Nokia,wid,10950394,wiadomosc.html?ticaid=17af5 Mar 17 11:55:27 (in Polish) Mar 17 11:56:10 hehe Mar 17 11:56:14 i'll have to show that to my fiancee :) Mar 17 11:58:05 (she's polish :P) Mar 17 12:03:50 ooh. we made heise.de too Mar 17 12:03:58 http://www.heise.de/developer/Alternatives-Linux-System-fuer-Nokias-Internet-Tablets--/news/meldung/134634 Mar 17 12:08:39 Instant fame! Mar 17 12:08:52 Stskeeps: Congrats! Mar 17 12:09:28 ah.. Mirko wrote that article Mar 17 12:13:34 Stskeeps, so, they stole it? ;) Mar 17 12:13:43 nah, it references Mar 17 12:13:52 ah Mar 17 12:13:53 ;P Mar 17 12:47:24 morning timsamoff Mar 17 12:47:40 Good morning. :) Mar 17 12:48:10 * timsamoff sipped the boy off to school and enjoys yogurt and coffee. Almost paradise. :p Mar 17 12:48:16 fish999: heh, a dane? :) Mar 17 12:48:35 yup Mar 17 12:48:39 why? Mar 17 12:48:41 and how? Mar 17 12:48:50 :) Mar 17 12:49:03 just curious, sitting over at AU and recognized your 130.125 :P Mar 17 12:49:05 er, 225 Mar 17 12:50:10 hehe :) Mar 17 13:16:51 dumdidumdidum Mar 17 13:18:27 moop Mar 17 13:20:55 * lcuk scribbles a heavy circle above Myrtti's head and watches Mar 17 13:21:01 graah Mar 17 13:21:26 have you started to make catapults yet Mar 17 13:21:35 I could say something about the device first setup daemon in the n800... Mar 17 13:21:42 but it's best that I don't Mar 17 13:21:44 say lots Mar 17 13:21:48 might hurt somebodys feelings Mar 17 13:21:55 we dont mind here as long as you code up a replacement yourself Mar 17 13:22:04 exactly Mar 17 13:22:27 check out mer's first boot wizard, or even the liqbase one (H) Mar 17 13:22:37 the problem isnt't the first boot wizard itself Mar 17 13:23:06 the problem with a firstboot wizard is that once its done its gone Mar 17 13:25:26 the problem is that the dialog that asks for the country for setting up the dialup configs is too small Mar 17 13:28:06 I'm seriously going to kill that owl Mar 17 13:28:16 .. owl? Mar 17 13:28:29 there's an owl hooting somewhere REALLY close Mar 17 13:28:33 and it's doing my head in Mar 17 13:33:04 wood pigeons are worse than owls Mar 17 13:33:16 * lcuk thought owls were active dawn and dusk Mar 17 13:34:05 Myrtti, invest in a rocket launcher - nuke them from orbit. its the only way to be sure :) Mar 17 13:37:16 sounds like a plan Mar 17 13:43:09 * rmt declares triumphantly, "It has arrived!" Mar 17 13:43:29 woo Mar 17 13:44:01 please state your initial reactions as a developer when you get to it :P Mar 17 13:58:22 Stskeeps, will charge it up properly first.. going to search for and follow the website info to get into it now. :-) Mar 17 13:58:39 So will comment on any odd documentation also, although I expect it's pretty complete now. :) Mar 17 13:58:39 hehe Mar 17 13:59:16 Skype works well .. I was going to spend €100 on a Sennheiser USB headset, but I think I can put that off now. ;-) Mar 17 14:11:03 af'noon Mar 17 14:13:19 Hi Jaffa! Mar 17 14:16:32 * Jaffa is poorly :-( Mar 17 14:20:25 jaffa: strep throat? Mar 17 14:21:48 timsamoff:stomach bug, I'll save you the details Mar 17 14:22:00 Hehe. ;) Mar 17 14:22:07 Feel better then. Mar 17 14:36:12 * lcuk passes jaffa a big toilet roll and a newspaper and sends him off to the outhouse Mar 17 14:36:32 aqnd dont come back until you are better Mar 17 14:36:59 Been there. Done that. With a bucket *too* Mar 17 14:37:26 * Jaffa 's now feeling sorry for himself on the sofa watching Red Dwarf Mar 17 15:19:04 any n810 owner can dump a file for me ? Mar 17 15:19:57 what u need? Mar 17 15:32:30 rzr, what file do you need? I should have ssh in a sec. Mar 17 15:32:32 lolhelp irssi Mar 17 15:34:44 And I've got it. :) Nice that the openssh package sets the rootpw for you. :) Mar 17 16:11:10 rmt: please join #nitdroid Mar 17 16:44:04 * GeneralAntilles is boggled http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=27554 Mar 17 16:46:10 anyone w/ a n810 please pm me Mar 17 16:52:52 * Stskeeps ponders idly what qole's post means Mar 17 16:53:24 Stskeeps, which one? Mar 17 16:53:32 http://internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=272327&postcount=31 Mar 17 16:55:02 * Meizirkki starts up KDE 4.2.1 Mar 17 16:56:52 Stskeeps, it means no1 will object if you take a more considered overall approach and dont rush to make weekly releases of small stuff (i think) Mar 17 16:57:07 ask him Mar 17 16:57:23 lcuk: ah, yeah, that's the 2 week + 1 week testing switch really.. i do have a considered overall approach Mar 17 16:57:32 i've been keeping libraries up to date Mar 17 16:57:40 that's the simple part, grunt work Mar 17 16:58:05 sometimes it breaks things, in this case, it was hildon input framework from fremantle Mar 17 16:58:15 which doesn't function without a finger keyboard :) Mar 17 17:03:06 Hello Mar 17 17:03:42 does there is some example of HildonTask in python using hildondesktop binding somewhere ? Mar 17 17:04:22 Stskeeps, where are the Mer repos with all the newer libs? Mar 17 17:05:13 http://repository.mer.tspre.org/ Mar 17 17:17:33 hi Mar 17 17:18:13 wow so many nicks for a n00b distro!! Mar 17 17:19:21 lol Mar 17 17:19:31 noob? :P Mar 17 17:20:14 Well, arguably since we aren't all wasting our lives away trying to beat out distro of choice into submission, yeah, I'd say "n00b" applies. ;) Mar 17 17:20:58 We seem to have a nice habit of attracting them Mar 17 17:21:13 O_O Mar 17 17:22:27 guusano_, explain Mar 17 17:23:55 Woo, my app, and my compiled libs, all work. :-) Mar 17 17:24:05 maybe guusano_ advanced ubuntu user :D Mar 17 17:24:16 Only missing extra lib from my scratchbox setup was libgee.. easy to fix. Mar 17 17:25:08 Now I think it's time to find my MicroSD -> MiniSD adapter and plug in this 8gb card. :) Mar 17 17:25:56 cat I install this on a PSP? it has a mips processor Mar 17 17:26:05 no Mar 17 17:26:18 why not??!! Mar 17 17:26:27 because this is n00b distro :_: Mar 17 17:26:29 Because we're a n00b distro. Mar 17 17:26:43 oooh q&a, guusano_ can you put a fruit pastel in your mouth without chewing it? Mar 17 17:26:44 s/we're/it's/ Mar 17 17:26:45 qwerty12 meant: Because it's a n00b distro. Mar 17 17:26:58 lol, Apple's justification for not allowing background apps is limited to "we can't manage to code ones that behave properly" Mar 17 17:27:10 os only Nokia TM expen$$ive tablets? Mar 17 17:27:13 guusano_, MIPS != ARM Mar 17 17:27:18 well technically gan, they have a damned good point Mar 17 17:27:19 yeah Mar 17 17:27:26 its those background apps that kill the battery Mar 17 17:27:33 ah I see Mar 17 17:27:34 lcuk, it's a cop-out. Mar 17 17:28:03 not really, also i bet theres problems with multiple binaries talking to the screen (sounds familiar) Mar 17 17:28:17 lcuk, anyway, it's better to leave the choice up to the user. Mar 17 17:28:18 ie their framework is the primary app ;) Mar 17 17:28:27 But that's totally not Apple's game, so. Mar 17 17:28:31 only if the user can actually draw something on the screen Mar 17 17:28:44 was'n Symbian Nokias OS? Mar 17 17:28:52 are apple apps actual apps or just plugins Mar 17 17:29:04 lcuk, they're applications. . . . Mar 17 17:29:18 yeah - like my map and my recent pics and my editor Mar 17 17:29:40 apple apps are html with java if I am not mistaken Mar 17 17:29:47 guusano_, you are mistaken. Mar 17 17:29:48 thats pre Mar 17 17:29:57 ah lol Mar 17 17:30:01 They're Objective-C for the most part Mar 17 17:30:51 id bet they are dynamically linked rather than true apps Mar 17 17:31:07 but anyway :) hometime, bbl Mar 17 17:31:16 oh wait!! today's IPhone 3.0 Enent!! Mar 17 17:31:45 ah! this is device for TruЪ geeks ^_^ i want it )) Mar 17 17:31:57 by the way what does Maemo mean? Mar 17 17:32:10 maemo = distro for n00bs Mar 17 17:32:12 guusano_, it's gibberish. Mar 17 17:32:20 Maemo was generated by a random password generator. Mar 17 17:32:50 mm.. I thought might've been a Norway word or something Mar 17 17:33:21 so where can install this besides Nokia's TM tablets? Mar 17 17:33:44 Well, it's mostly open source, so wherever you want. Mar 17 17:34:12 You're probably interested in Mer, though. Mar 17 17:34:13 ~mer Mar 17 17:34:14 it has been said that mer is http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer Mar 17 17:36:49 pwgen rules Mar 17 17:36:53 ~pwgen Mar 17 17:36:57 * mgedmin waits Mar 17 17:37:16 infobot: pwgen is the random password generator that was used to generate the name for Maemo Mar 17 17:37:17 mgedmin: okay Mar 17 17:37:20 ~pwgen Mar 17 17:37:21 methinks pwgen is the random password generator that was used to generate the name for Maemo Mar 17 17:37:28 cool, my first factoid Mar 17 17:37:46 ;P Mar 17 17:38:26 oh it was not a joke Mar 17 17:38:41 lol Mar 17 17:39:03 well it do sound a nordic work Mar 17 17:39:23 isn't there a city somewhere there called Maemo? Mar 17 17:41:48 the way I've heard it told (by Nokia people) was that they generated random names until they found one that wasn't taken Mar 17 17:42:05 I don't see a x86_64 image Mar 17 17:42:09 I'm not sure if "wasn't taken" means $name.com/$name.org was free in DNS, or if it means 0 google hits Mar 17 17:42:11 I heard it was less deliberate than that. Mar 17 17:42:30 It's explained by an Nokian somewhere on a blog Mar 17 17:42:34 Yeah Mar 17 17:42:36 it makes me think of mämo or mamo.. or emo Mar 17 17:42:51 Somebody happened to be generating random passwords and somebody else noticed it, and asked if it were taken. Mar 17 17:43:26 mæmo Mar 17 17:43:50 Mämmi. Mar 17 17:43:56 unicode for the win!! Mar 17 17:45:01 * rmt grumbles.. it was a MicroSD -> SD adapter I had, not a MicroSD -> MiniSD adapter.. I hope a camera shop here has one. Mar 17 17:51:08 forgive me if i sound like a complete n00b, is there a current cfdisk.deb anywhere? Mar 17 17:51:23 It's in extras-devel Mar 17 17:51:42 ahh must have that disabled o.o Mar 17 17:51:51 thanks qwert Mar 17 17:52:02 Any ideas why new n810 won't flash? I just get some printout and flasher quits Mar 17 17:52:15 Version of 'sw-release': Mar 17 17:52:16 Extras-devel doesn't come with the device at all (in a disabled or enabled state), if it's not there: Mar 17 17:52:18 ~extras Mar 17 17:52:19 well, extras is http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras Mar 17 17:52:21 Btw, my N810 has N00 on it as the model number.. does that mean anything? Mar 17 17:52:51 rmt, means it's a Nokia prototype. Mar 17 17:52:52 z4chh, Also, you'll need to "apt-get install cfdisk" - the application manager wont show it Mar 17 17:53:07 rmt, the Chinese took you in! Mar 17 17:55:00 GeneralAntilles, which means (aside from the number)? Mar 17 17:56:23 qwerty12, i do have it but disabled (after i installed canola beta 100) because i tend to install stuff indiscriminately sometimes :D Mar 17 17:56:37 join #qgis Mar 17 17:56:38 10* Mar 17 17:56:47 rmt: It means it is not a retail version, so I'm guessing you didn't get it at a shop? :) Mar 17 17:57:01 z4chh, hehe, I, indeed, share the same habit :D Mar 17 17:58:00 X-Fade, Expansys.it Mar 17 17:58:04 hey qwerty12, you old enough to do gsoc? Mar 17 17:58:09 Shipped from a warehouse in Marseille. Mar 17 17:58:21 rmt: ick Mar 17 17:58:23 rmt: That is pretty weird. Mar 17 17:58:34 Yes. Mar 17 17:58:42 rmt: I don't think these devices were ever supposed to be sold. Mar 17 17:58:43 z4chh, nope, two years too young. But my coding knowledge is really dodgy at best Mar 17 17:58:48 Expansys looks quite legit, and seems quite large. Mar 17 17:59:03 Was packed quite well.. as you expect.. secured box. Mar 17 17:59:24 So, any difference between the prototype and the actual? Mar 17 17:59:31 Expansys has a bad habit of selling used and open box items as new. Mar 17 17:59:35 rmt: There can be. Mar 17 17:59:45 rmt: you might have difficulties flashing firmware images Mar 17 17:59:49 rmt: There is a possibility that you aren't able to flash your device. Mar 17 18:00:17 rmt: As these prototypes used slightly different hardware. Mar 17 18:00:19 * rmt frowns. Mar 17 18:00:43 And I'm pretty sure that if you ever send it in for warranty, you will not get any. Mar 17 18:01:07 qwerty12, ahh ;p Mar 17 18:01:26 anyone else besides me doing gsoc here? >.< Mar 17 18:02:00 rmt: what Model + Type does it say under the cover? Mar 17 18:02:04 as a student Mar 17 18:02:17 blah, you guys are all old farts xD Mar 17 18:02:25 * z4chh hides Mar 17 18:02:28 * mgedmin strokes his grey beard Mar 17 18:02:59 ooh, the youth these days... hardly know any $insert_stone_age_computing_topic_here Mar 17 18:03:26 our internet tablets were made from real stone and we had to use pidgeons for tcp/ip Mar 17 18:03:43 and had no spell checkers, so didn't know how to spell pidgeon Mar 17 18:03:48 :D Mar 17 18:04:05 im f'ed w/o spell check >.< Mar 17 18:04:10 Stskeeps, N810, RX-44 Mar 17 18:04:28 rmt: that part seems sane.. where do you see the R00? Mar 17 18:04:36 N00, on the front cover. Mar 17 18:04:37 er, N00 Mar 17 18:04:39 Well, it's mostly open source, so wherever you want. Mar 17 18:04:39 You're pWell, it's mostly open source, so wherever you want. Mar 17 18:04:39 You're probably interested in Mer, though. [19:34] Mar 17 18:04:39 ~mer Mar 17 18:04:42 it has been said that mer is http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer Mar 17 18:04:44 pwgen rules [19:36] Mar 17 18:04:47 ~pwgen Mar 17 18:04:50 s/cover// Mar 17 18:04:50 rmt meant: N00, on the front . Mar 17 18:04:50 * mgedmin waits Mar 17 18:04:54 infobot: pwgen is the random password generator that was used to Mar 17 18:04:57 generate the name for Maemo [19:37] Mar 17 18:04:59 vasily_pupkin: wtf? :P Mar 17 18:05:00 mgedmin: okay Mar 17 18:05:03 neat, infobot. :) Mar 17 18:05:04 ~pwgen Mar 17 18:05:07 methinks pwgen is the random password generator that was used to Mar 17 18:05:07 * z4chh steals mgedmin vacuum tubes and punch hole tape Mar 17 18:05:10 generate the name for Maemo Mar 17 18:05:34 Stupid throttling clients don't let the services do their work. Mar 17 18:05:34 looks like a copy & paste accident to me Mar 17 18:05:37 oh sexy GeneralAntilles showing some authority :D Mar 17 18:05:38 GeneralAntilles shows his muscles ;) Mar 17 18:05:56 mgedmin, yeah, that's what I figured, and a little kick is an easy way to fix it. ;) Mar 17 18:05:57 thanks, GeneralAntilles Mar 17 18:06:07 Sorry, should've been a wink on the end of the kick reason. Mar 17 18:06:21 yeah i was looking for it :( Mar 17 18:06:31 me: "wtf no smiley at the end?" Mar 17 18:07:16 then i was like "he has the one eyed smile .)" Mar 17 18:07:44 * z4chh stops quoting himself o_o Mar 17 18:08:05 Welcome back. :P Mar 17 18:08:06 test Mar 17 18:08:25 oh. emacs sometimes doing strange things (= Mar 17 18:09:20 Stskeeps, I will have to try flashing it, I think. Mar 17 18:09:57 Stskeeps, Got an 810? Can you pastebin /proc & lspci / lsusb etc info? Mar 17 18:10:05 rmt: no, sorry, on a n800 Mar 17 18:10:05 i just had a "wear is my stylus" panic frenzy :| Mar 17 18:10:11 rmt: what does cat /proc/component_version show? Mar 17 18:10:22 where* Mar 17 18:11:33 lol z4chh reminds me of: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2008-02-29.log.html Mar 17 18:12:13 evening Mar 17 18:12:29 product RX-44 / hw-build 0805 / nolo 1.1.16 Mar 17 18:13:25 rmt: I have a n810 Mar 17 18:13:47 mgedmin, Does your component_version match? Mar 17 18:13:47 rmt: I have the same in my N810 Mar 17 18:13:50 soap stylus? Mar 17 18:13:59 yes Mar 17 18:14:00 rmt: So it seems to be ok. Mar 17 18:14:26 Will flash soon anyway.. just to make sure. :) Mar 17 18:14:59 rmt, what's the output of "osso-product-info" as root? Should tell you everything. Mar 17 18:15:06 * rmt still has to have a go at expansys for sending me a slower microsd card than I ordered.. they have the wrong image for their product, but the product codes match the order. Mar 17 18:16:15 Germany, Austria & Switzerland region.. kein problem für mich.. but no italy region? :) Mar 17 18:17:07 http://dpaste.com/hold/15700/ Mar 17 18:17:29 does anyone here use a swap partition? what size? Mar 17 18:17:58 * mgedmin sees the duke nukem 3d screenshot -- awesome Mar 17 18:18:06 * slonopotamus_ does. 256mb Mar 17 18:18:20 mgedmin, link? Mar 17 18:18:40 luck: interestingly enough, near the bottom of that irclog link you just pasted here Mar 17 18:18:42 OSSO_PRODUCT_REGION='' Mar 17 18:18:44 hehe Mar 17 18:18:53 slonopotamus: are you root? Mar 17 18:19:02 osso-product-info shows most of the fields if you aren't Mar 17 18:19:08 mgedmin, interestingly enough, i didnt read the whole backlog lol Mar 17 18:19:08 why, I've no clue Mar 17 18:19:09 mgedmin, better :) Mar 17 18:19:33 mgedmin, i'm root's dad :D Mar 17 18:19:43 lcuk: well, xchat stripped away everything after the # so I had no idea what you pasted Mar 17 18:19:56 I just have this dangerous habit of clicking on everything that looks like a url Mar 17 18:20:08 mmm interesting Mar 17 18:20:29 * RST38h goes over all the wonderful things that can be made to look like urls Mar 17 18:20:49 * lcuk waves @ lardman Mar 17 18:20:59 hey, actually lcuk's pasted url had no # Mar 17 18:21:04 yay i got cfdisk installed now i can make a big ass swap partition Mar 17 18:21:14 mgedmin, n800 here. region and kb are Mar 17 18:21:32 interesting Mar 17 18:21:36 I'm really liking eiffel's codenames idea. Mar 17 18:21:38 http://www.jonesbigasstruckrentalandstorage.com/ Mar 17 18:22:00 z4chh, i read your post in his voice! Mar 17 18:22:10 * lardman waves back at lcuk Mar 17 18:22:38 ... and that's because the interesting bit begins at the top of the log, duh Mar 17 18:22:59 * mgedmin lost two palm tungsten t styluses... Mar 17 18:23:05 ! Mar 17 18:23:05 lcuk, rofl Mar 17 18:23:07 styluses Mar 17 18:23:11 jake lost mine Mar 17 18:23:42 z4chh, you will never say "big ass swap partition" in your own minds voice again Mar 17 18:24:08 that is hilarious >.< Mar 17 18:24:51 GeneralAntilles: http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Documentation/Common_Packages Mar 17 18:25:07 The googles, they do nothing! Mar 17 18:25:15 * mgedmin wants a cool job title like "junk specialist" Mar 17 18:25:16 sorry, too much red :P Mar 17 18:25:25 i'll change it to a nicer color Mar 17 18:25:41 AWOOOOGA AWOOOGA RED ALERT! RED ALERT! Mar 17 18:25:45 THIS IS NOT A DRILL Mar 17 18:25:48 :D Mar 17 18:26:05 there we go Mar 17 18:26:28 Stskeeps, you page doesn't fit 800px Mar 17 18:26:39 mgedmin, "marius's big ass data military grade storage facility" Mar 17 18:27:05 :D Mar 17 18:27:12 * GeneralAntilles ponders what to make for lunch. Mar 17 18:27:23 * mgedmin thinks it's time for some dinner Mar 17 18:27:26 mer's libosso is newer than in fremantle Mar 17 18:27:30 yeah, so it goes Mar 17 18:27:34 lol Mar 17 18:27:50 kickass! Mar 17 18:28:16 good job :) you're ahead per 0.1 Mar 17 18:29:37 debian version numbers make me sad Mar 17 18:31:06 X-Fade, does your osso-product-info match http://dpaste.com/hold/15700/ also? Mar 17 18:32:10 rmt: it matches mine right until we get to OSSO_PRODUCT_RELEASE_VERSION Mar 17 18:32:15 and then, naturally, differs Mar 17 18:32:58 Okey. Mar 17 18:33:04 slonopotamus, who invented debian version numbers? Mar 17 18:33:43 * mgedmin kinda likes debian version numbers Mar 17 18:38:30 lcuk, dunno Mar 17 18:38:59 i bet it was something like "lord Harry Debian III" or something Mar 17 18:39:15 hehe Mar 17 18:39:55 yay i created my "big ass swap partition" :D Mar 17 18:40:13 lcuk, i guess he was murdered by misbehaving init script Mar 17 18:40:13 So, as far as I/we can tell, the only thing different on mine is that it has N00 instead of N810 on the front. I can write a nastygram to Expansys shortly about the microsd card, and bring this up too.. see if I can get some money back. Mar 17 18:40:15 1gb baby...feels good...butter me up :) Mar 17 18:40:44 slonopotamus, yeah, but he was recovered from svn a few weeks later by another enthusiast Mar 17 18:40:46 z4chh, swap never feels good Mar 17 18:41:07 it feels good when you run out of real memory Mar 17 18:41:32 z4chh, have you actually got a use for it? Mar 17 18:41:37 z4chh, that's when it feels worst of all :) Mar 17 18:42:00 depends what you are doing,. but i would rather swap out than crash out Mar 17 18:42:23 swap is only bad if you keep going in nad out of it Mar 17 18:42:25 crashing can be fun. swapping can't Mar 17 18:42:36 :P Mar 17 18:42:37 depends WHAT you are swapping Mar 17 18:42:45 or rather who Mar 17 18:42:56 lcuk, not really..but when i do need it..i got it! Mar 17 18:43:34 swap has saved my ass before Mar 17 18:43:39 oh! recipe for endless swap: swapon /dev/null Mar 17 18:43:44 z4chh, ill make sure i put a special block of code in "if(user=='z4chh') waste_memory(); Mar 17 18:43:53 :D Mar 17 18:43:57 rofl Mar 17 18:44:32 lcuk, give me your best shot, let's see you overflow my memory! Mar 17 18:45:11 * slonopotamus got very weird behaviour when was untarring 100mb file on n800 Mar 17 18:45:13 z4chh, dont try me :) i made liqbase occupy some amazingly high figure when testing the scrolling Mar 17 18:45:34 was still responsive though Mar 17 18:45:36 rofl Mar 17 18:45:38 until it crashed Mar 17 18:45:49 had some leaks did you? Mar 17 18:46:01 no i was checking the limits Mar 17 18:46:17 someone was talking about listviews in different toolkits and slowdowns Mar 17 18:46:25 so i made it load every sketch ive drawn multiple times Mar 17 18:46:52 the old system is quite watertight :) Mar 17 18:47:00 * slonopotamus optimized one function @ work from 2 mins to secs today. that's what i call optimization Mar 17 18:47:08 to 6 secs Mar 17 18:47:59 Everybody go heart dneary's post on http://maemo.org/news/planet-maemo/ so we can push it to the front page ASAP. Mar 17 18:49:18 planet had 0 ratings today when i vitied Mar 17 18:50:17 did they break it and make hearts and downvotes moderator only :P Mar 17 18:52:16 Yep, I can't heart anything it seems. Mar 17 18:52:39 can you thumb yourself? Mar 17 18:52:48 Not in public. Mar 17 18:52:57 Haha Mar 17 18:53:05 Maybe it IS moderators-only. Mar 17 18:53:13 Can anybody else see the heart I put on dneary's post? Mar 17 18:53:31 No, it's zero hearts, zero thumbs. Mar 17 18:53:43 Hum, I can see my own heart here. Mar 17 18:53:52 Now I see 2 Mar 17 18:54:01 planet maemo is weird Mar 17 18:54:04 Wonder if something's flubbed with the recent midgard upgrade. Mar 17 18:54:11 with its silly fake redirecting permalinks etc Mar 17 18:54:20 what app hogs a lot of memory? Mar 17 18:54:34 what is the firefox of the tablet? Mar 17 18:54:36 >.< Mar 17 18:54:39 z4chh: maemo mapper Mar 17 18:54:42 zoom in and out a lot Mar 17 18:54:44 and pan a lot Mar 17 18:54:47 rofl Mar 17 18:54:48 okj Mar 17 18:55:06 well, the browser too if you find a large page Mar 17 18:55:16 timeless had some nice pages for stress-testing browsers Mar 17 18:55:16 ARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH z4chh stop moving the world around Mar 17 18:55:20 i just ate my tea Mar 17 18:55:21 GeneralAntilles: http://internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=272382&postcount=32 Mar 17 18:55:24 only reasonable response Mar 17 18:55:28 * mgedmin rofls @ lcuk Mar 17 18:55:37 lol mgedmin his stress test is excellent Mar 17 18:56:33 Stskeeps, hehe. Mar 17 18:57:29 mgedmin, found it :) http://timeless.justdave.net/stress/stress.html Mar 17 18:57:37 z4chh, on your tablet go there ^ Mar 17 18:57:48 NSFW though Mar 17 18:58:11 * lcuk forgot that, could give the wrong kind of stress Mar 17 18:58:33 Great now I have working up to date n810 :) Mar 17 18:59:12 Hmm... can you suggest any calendar software for maemo? Mar 17 18:59:46 Dates looks nice, but doesn't do anything, iirc Mar 17 18:59:57 GPE scares me, dunno why Mar 17 19:00:04 Razumihin, theres some coming Mar 17 19:00:09 <||cw> GPE calender has worked well for me in the past Mar 17 19:00:18 then there's deja-something, I think, but that one is not open source Mar 17 19:00:24 <||cw> not using anything now cause google cal sync broke Mar 17 19:00:25 fremantle has assets already for a calendar, theres khertans calendar Mar 17 19:00:34 Ok... anyone tried porting evolution? Mar 17 19:00:35 and im making a special one :) Mar 17 19:00:45 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMXp0Dg_UaY Mar 17 19:00:45 :) Mar 17 19:00:46 ;) Mar 17 19:00:50 <||cw> evo is a bit heavy, even for desktop use :P Mar 17 19:01:04 ||cw: I like the calendar side of it. Mar 17 19:01:15 <||cw> worse than outlook, as far as resource usage goes Mar 17 19:01:37 That's true... Mar 17 19:01:54 Yes, on a second thought it might be _bit_ heavy on maemo. Mar 17 19:02:35 Razumihin: evolution to a tablet? gross Mar 17 19:02:53 might as well port openoffice Mar 17 19:02:56 :D Mar 17 19:03:28 Btw is vim-full package available? ;) Mar 17 19:03:37 gah Mar 17 19:03:53 I didn't find anything but the default Mar 17 19:03:56 alright i opened like 18 apps...i used up almost all of the internal mem + 194mb swap Mar 17 19:04:23 my n800 is now curiously warm >.< Mar 17 19:05:05 :) Mar 17 19:05:31 it wonder what would happen if i turned off the swap Mar 17 19:05:36 i* Mar 17 19:05:50 z4chh: On the fly? It would crash i think. Mar 17 19:06:33 ding ding diny Razumihin is right! :D Mar 17 19:06:52 * z4chh holds down the power button >.< Mar 17 19:07:28 Hard to guess what happens when your memoryspace that contained half of your processes drops? ;) Mar 17 19:08:12 It'll start killing apps. Mar 17 19:08:39 GeneralAntilles, probably, but it froze up pretty good..so i just rebooted Mar 17 19:08:39 hahaha Mar 17 19:08:50 did power button work for you? Mar 17 19:09:03 sometimes I had to pull the battery Mar 17 19:09:33 it did Mar 17 19:09:37 So Diablo's "SSU" is just 'the kernel has been put in a .deb' Mar 17 19:09:51 and the Diablo repos periodically are updated with new kernels? Mar 17 19:10:04 Um? Mar 17 19:10:08 ssu is more than a kernel, but thats the gist Mar 17 19:10:23 but it's not like nokia is going to push stuff out to my tablet Mar 17 19:10:38 no, they let you pull new stuff Mar 17 19:10:53 via apt-get instead of downloading 130 mb blobs and reinstalling everything from scratch every time Mar 17 19:10:59 yeah Mar 17 19:11:38 i think ill dive in then, maemo mail client sucks and ive been wanting to see Modest running Mar 17 19:12:03 question: should i grow a beard? Mar 17 19:12:08 yes Mar 17 19:12:27 lcuk, have you had one before? Mar 17 19:12:53 modest is quite not bad Mar 17 19:12:58 no Mar 17 19:13:07 Then yes. Mar 17 19:13:08 i don't like beards Mar 17 19:13:08 ive forgotten to shave for a couple of weeks lol Mar 17 19:13:11 I wonder if they fixed the "you're gpg-signing your emails? then I won't show you the message body" bug yet Mar 17 19:13:12 re Mar 17 19:13:20 lcuk: definately. Mar 17 19:13:23 florian, beard or goatee? Mar 17 19:13:27 Everybody should have a facial hair or long hair at least once. Mar 17 19:13:35 wont i become evil? Mar 17 19:13:36 * mgedmin was disappointed in the whole 'beard' concept when he discovered that beards have to be trimmed periodically Mar 17 19:13:38 mgedmin: maybe fixed in fremantle... Mar 17 19:13:41 s/a // Mar 17 19:13:41 GeneralAntilles meant: Everybody should have facial hair or long hair at least once. Mar 17 19:13:48 lcuk: uh? :) Mar 17 19:13:49 GeneralAntilles, you had both a little more than once it seems Mar 17 19:13:51 xD Mar 17 19:13:52 If I had a beard, I'd probably be classed as your typical paki... Mar 17 19:13:57 lcuk: i've got a goatee and i'm only moderately evil Mar 17 19:14:02 * mgedmin has a ponytail ;-) Mar 17 19:14:06 GeneralAntilles: facial hair for women? . Mar 17 19:14:11 lol - im thinking of you as a member of the facial fluff brigade Mar 17 19:14:14 mgedmin: at least one can get away with trimming it less often then one have to shave... Mar 17 19:14:27 mgedmin, or you could just go the RMS/hobo route. ;) Mar 17 19:14:30 florian, do you become less evil when you have a clean shaven chin? Mar 17 19:14:45 GeneralAntilles: what, learn to play a flute? Mar 17 19:14:47 :O aquatix thats just not true Mar 17 19:14:53 z4chh, I had long hair for about a year in high school and have had a beard for about 2. Mar 17 19:14:58 lol @ female facial hair Mar 17 19:15:01 lcuk, full beard, then trim it down to a goatee. Mar 17 19:15:08 help, interesting irc conversations don't let me go home! Mar 17 19:15:13 * mgedmin is hungry Mar 17 19:15:14 Bah, no goatees. Mar 17 19:15:14 Stskeeps, hey, if you swing that way buddy, that's your deal. ;) Mar 17 19:15:16 * mgedmin is starving even Mar 17 19:15:17 GeneralAntilles: isnt that the classical hacker concept of letting it grow until your done with a project? Mar 17 19:15:30 s/your/you're/ Mar 17 19:15:36 t_s_o, i did that, but had to get head hair cut when i couldnt drive Mar 17 19:15:46 Personally, I don't much care for goatees. Mar 17 19:15:46 * lcuk hadnt cut it since the summit :$ Mar 17 19:16:18 * lcuk does a combover with his nipplehair Mar 17 19:16:29 t_s_o, unless you've got a full-only crazy beard you generally have to shave everybody anyway. :( Mar 17 19:16:30 * t_s_o is right now sporting a full beard and hair that have not been cut in 2-3 years... Mar 17 19:17:07 its become something of a habit... Mar 17 19:17:37 shave every day? Mar 17 19:17:50 lcuk, neck and upper cheeks. Mar 17 19:17:50 nope, the long hair ;) Mar 17 19:18:11 why would i want to shave my ass? Mar 17 19:18:17 ohhhhhh, those cheeks Mar 17 19:18:39 lcuk, dunno, but, hey, if you swing that way buddy, that's your deal. :P Mar 17 19:18:42 i would just have a wild untamed beard i tihnk Mar 17 19:19:37 mrs lcuk wont like it though Mar 17 19:31:00 20:14:47 lcuk | :O aquatix thats just not true Mar 17 19:31:06 but i *have* a goatee! Mar 17 19:31:07 :) Mar 17 19:31:15 sorry, was afk Mar 17 19:32:11 i meant about you being moderately evil Mar 17 19:34:21 i was being modest Mar 17 19:35:58 lol Mar 17 20:22:21 hi all! Is anyone else facing the problem that the makedev installation breaks at configure state and thus apt does not allow to install any package that depends on that? Mar 17 20:25:48 Grr. AccessoryLink still hasn't fixed their site to allow shipping to me. The next device will be out before I manage to buy a replacement N800 LCD. Mar 17 20:27:15 What'd you do to your old one? Mar 17 20:28:54 I think it's what failed in my N800 that died just before the Summit. Mar 17 20:29:33 If I disconnect the cable to the LCD, the N800 seems to try to boot. At least, the blue LED does some interesting, POST code looking blinks. Mar 17 20:29:50 With the LCD connected, the N800 won't start up at all. Mar 17 20:30:05 How much are they asking for a new LCD? Mar 17 20:30:16 About $96. Mar 17 20:31:52 Time to head home and take first child to physical therapy. *wavage* Mar 17 20:40:54 someone know how could i fix this error on my N810 : http://pastebin.com/m128e59bd please Mar 17 20:41:33 t-nor, hiya Mar 17 20:41:37 t-nor, let me look at it.. Mar 17 20:41:54 You've been playing with your root shell? Mar 17 20:42:00 yep Mar 17 20:42:20 through ssh Mar 17 20:42:23 I suggest you do a dpkg --purge mysql-common then do the install again Mar 17 20:43:06 It looks like the /var/lib/dpkg/info/mysql-common.list file has no contents, but exists.. very strange. Mar 17 20:43:29 full flash? Mar 17 20:43:37 yes Mar 17 20:43:40 dual boot Mar 17 20:43:53 can't remove :( Mar 17 20:43:54 Errors were encountered while processing: Mar 17 20:43:56 mysql-common Mar 17 20:43:56 isn't there a dpkg fix style command too? Might be worth a go Mar 17 20:44:06 Package is in a very bad inconsistent state - you should Mar 17 20:44:08 reinstall it before attempting a removal. Mar 17 20:44:14 * lardman heads back to the TV Mar 17 20:44:25 good luck though :) Mar 17 20:45:05 "Tentacle seen in on of the toilets when members of Kappa-8 were drowning a live rat. IÁ Mar 17 20:45:38 RST38h, you get stranger and stranger every day :D or at least since you found/created that site you keep referencing Mar 17 20:45:42 t-nor, You could try that.. what were the removal errors? Mar 17 20:45:43 've had to assure them that it won't harm them to sit on the toilet, just to stop them doing their business elsewhere" Mar 17 20:46:06 lcuk: I am mining deeper and deeper into the caverns of insanity Mar 17 20:46:18 if i do : dpkg --force-remove-reinstreq --purge mysql-common is it ok ? Mar 17 20:46:35 t-nor: Give it a go. :-P Mar 17 20:46:40 lcuk: In fact, some of the stuff from that site I am afraid to quote. It is not just weird but disturbing. Mar 17 20:46:49 t-nor, you can only find out by trying :D Mar 17 20:47:07 RST38h, have you signed up yet and tried to post your own Mar 17 20:47:10 it work Mar 17 20:47:11 or do you have to be qualified Mar 17 20:47:31 but same problem when i try to reinstall mysql-common Mar 17 20:47:53 lcuk: No way I go in that direction. Mar 17 20:48:09 lcuk: You know how it will eventually end up, don't you? Mar 17 20:49:21 Uncyclopedia? Mar 17 20:49:45 lcuk: this stuff is way worse than uncyclopedia or plain wiki, in psychiatric terms =) Mar 17 20:50:04 car crash tv bad? Mar 17 20:51:49 bbl anyway Mar 17 20:52:32 * rmt also notes that he got his N810*cough*N00 with dutch instructions .. in Italy .. Het is wel geluk, dat ik nederlands kan praten! Mar 17 20:52:53 (It's good luck, that I can actually speak dutch) Mar 17 20:53:01 my n810 isn't cooperating with me today Mar 17 20:53:29 Hit it with a stick. Mar 17 20:53:44 lol Mar 17 20:53:46 * lcuk hits pavlov with a stick: cooperate damn you Mar 17 20:53:55 GeneralAntilles: i have more broken n810s from doing that.. Mar 17 20:53:57 maybe package mysql-common on http://repository.maemo.org diablo/free is broken Mar 17 20:54:11 Pavlov, the problem is not with the n810 :P Mar 17 20:54:15 but im gone Mar 17 20:54:16 someone could test it on his device pls Mar 17 20:54:18 t-nor, unable to execute new preinstallation script is the error? Mar 17 20:54:19 ;) Mar 17 20:54:49 dpkg (subprocess): unable to execute new pre-installation script: No such file or directory Mar 17 20:54:50 dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/mysql-common_5.0.32-7etch6maemo0_all.deb (--unpack): Mar 17 20:54:52 subprocess pre-installation script returned error exit status 2 Mar 17 20:54:53 dpkg (subprocess): unable to execute new post-removal script: No such file or directory Mar 17 20:55:31 Post removal script .. edit it manually .. /var/lib/dpkg/info/mysql-common.postrm Mar 17 20:55:47 have any of you seen this? http://i.gizmodo.com/5160685/vmware-for-mobile-devices-lets-you-run-windows-and-android-simultaneously android+Mer+Maemo+OMAP3(Fremantle)=my dream NIT Mar 17 20:55:58 t-nor, Find what's causing the issue.. and how you/they screwed it up. If it's them, report a bug.. Mar 17 20:56:09 xnt: yeah, old news Mar 17 20:56:28 this one here i cracked its screen when i hit it with a stick ;( Mar 17 20:56:34 now i just use it to charge my batteries Mar 17 20:56:34 oh lol, I just saw this and I was like wtf Mar 17 20:56:58 rmt: how could i find the causing issue ? Mar 17 20:57:31 xnt, Fremantle is a software codename, not a hardware codename. Mar 17 20:58:36 GeneralAntilles: oh ok, I Meant to say android+mer+Maemo5(Fremantle)+OMAP3=my dream nit :P. thanks Mar 17 21:01:45 offtopic: http://i.gizmodo.com/5171829/the-one-place-you-definitely-dont-want-to-see-a-windows-error-message lol WindowsCE fail Mar 17 21:04:08 ye crap Mar 17 21:12:56 andre__: ping Mar 17 21:13:21 timeless, pong Mar 17 21:33:00 t-nor, i *believe* the sqlite .deb you are trying to install includes something that is docpurged, i had the issue once, i karate chopped my way through it by copying ( a few times it got "got" at first) a dummy file into its expected place in the doc folder thingy Mar 17 21:33:13 i didnt know how to do any other kind of foo :$ Mar 17 21:34:20 poll: how many folders called "foo" do you have on your primary computer? Mar 17 21:34:30 jaem: dear god. Mar 17 21:34:36 too many. Mar 17 21:34:47 Stskeeps: I know exactly what you mean Mar 17 21:34:57 i also have have this error : Mar 17 21:35:00 Unpacking libqt4-phonon (from .../libqt4-phonon_4.5.0-0maemo1_armel.deb) ... Mar 17 21:35:01 dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libqt4-phonon_4.5.0-0maemo1_armel.deb (--unpack): Mar 17 21:35:02 every once in a while I run across one I haven't seen in a while, and say to myself "I wonder what's in that" Mar 17 21:35:03 trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/libphonon.so.4', which is also in package libphonon4 Mar 17 21:35:11 usually it's something I should have deleted weeks ago Mar 17 21:35:56 * lcuk wont ask whats inside foo Mar 17 21:36:30 z4chh, have you disabled the watchdog or something to be able to reach that high swap use.. Mar 17 21:37:09 preliminary results for me: 5x foo, 1x foobar on primary computer, 2x foo, 1x bar on secondary computer Mar 17 21:37:19 and probably a few more that I'm forgetting about Mar 17 21:37:49 lcuk: nothing bad - just stuff that wasn't important enough to spend a few seconds thinking up a name for Mar 17 21:38:00 "new folder" Mar 17 21:38:09 foo is a name Mar 17 21:38:20 but not a meaningful name Mar 17 21:38:27 and it's one that takes no thought Mar 17 21:38:33 except later when you forget what's in it Mar 17 21:38:34 lol Mar 17 21:38:39 lol Mar 17 21:43:14 * lcuk vanishes Mar 17 21:43:22 *poof* Mar 17 21:47:03 'lo opengeekv2 Mar 17 21:47:35 Hi Mar 17 21:48:11 how goes? Mar 17 21:48:18 Im gooin to sleep right now i was only seeing who's there Mar 17 21:48:32 hehe Mar 17 21:49:30 I've seen that mer is growin quikly Mar 17 21:50:15 yeah.. still good need of hands though Mar 17 21:51:00 Stskeeps: I'd be happy to help if I can, but I don't have much Linux programming experience in relevant languages (I'm trying to learn it, but I'm fairly busy) Mar 17 21:51:07 so if there's anything else, I'd be happy to help Mar 17 21:51:17 Yes i know but im so busy studying and my coding skills are not veryy good Mar 17 21:51:32 opengeekv2: hehe Mar 17 21:51:34 jaem: http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Sprints/0.11 Mar 17 21:51:40 any of the components you'd match in? Mar 17 21:51:53 I didn't know that sprint was out yet, or I would have checked - let me see Mar 17 21:52:52 Stskeeps: What's the advantage of Xomap (and what are we using now?)? Mar 17 21:53:39 jaem: .. currently using xserver-xorg-video-omapfb, and speed, and performance, and rotation Mar 17 21:53:45 ah Mar 17 21:53:47 downside is that it isn't Xorg. Mar 17 21:53:48 P Mar 17 21:53:49 how much better is it? Mar 17 21:54:08 quite a fair bit, but HIM stops working on it Mar 17 21:54:15 that would be an issue Mar 17 21:55:35 hi, is there a common solution in Maemo to implement network communication via HTTP? Mar 17 21:56:11 I've tried libsoup and gnome_vfs_read_entire_file so far Mar 17 21:56:40 jaem: http://internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=27241&page=4 is also a possibility Mar 17 21:56:46 it is mostly patch-and-merge stuff really Mar 17 21:57:16 Stskeeps: I could probably help with Docs - are there more specifics anywhere on what want (formats, presentation style, level of detail, etc)? Mar 17 21:58:07 hmm, well, just some basic documentation on mer workings, such as installer / flashing the jffs / using the vmdk, .. i guess Mar 17 21:58:11 wiki style documetnation Mar 17 21:58:26 Maby i can help translating mer to catalan or spanish Mar 17 21:58:51 Stskeeps: the repackaging sounds like something I could manage, although Debian packages give me headaches... :P But that part looks fairly trivial Mar 17 21:58:53 opengeekv2: it would be worth investigating infrastructures for cooperating with l10n at least, yeah Mar 17 21:59:13 There are some people in catalonia that would be happy to use their tablets in catalan Mar 17 21:59:27 jaem: it's mostly diffing, ignoring all the autoconf bullshit and applying and fixing up changelog Mar 17 21:59:33 lol Mar 17 21:59:34 it is just time consuming, which i have little of Mar 17 21:59:36 I could probably do that Mar 17 21:59:53 Ok i understand that you dont have the infrastruvture mounted yet Mar 17 21:59:54 well, I don't have much time either, but I can try to get some stuff done there Mar 17 22:00:30 opengeekv2: but understand me right, i just wonder what exists that could be nice :) Mar 17 22:01:15 like, i don't know of any localization infrastructure beyond launchpad Mar 17 22:01:38 Ok, i know some gnome translators that i know andask them what they use to translate Mar 17 22:01:41 ok Mar 17 22:01:47 Stskeeps: I think that Mer Would benefit from a new ui, a ui that would adjust to..., say the nit, which is 800x480, the user would have an option to choose between hildon, and the Mer ui. the ui could adjust to be a cross between gnome/kde, and the mer nit ui, for Mer x86. what do you think? Mar 17 22:02:07 xnt: well, did you see wazd's ideas? :P Mar 17 22:02:13 no Mar 17 22:02:29 Talking about mixng kde and gnome Mar 17 22:02:30 http://tabletui.wordpress.com/2009/02/18/mer-ui-scalability/ Mar 17 22:02:36 opengeekv2, there's no point in translating until strings are stable. Mar 17 22:03:13 My father has an eeepc and the ui sucks and is a mix of gtk and qt and other things Mar 17 22:03:23 stskeeps: that just inspired me to make my own mockup :) Mar 17 22:03:36 opengeekv2: yeah, eeepc default is pretty lousy Mar 17 22:03:49 xnt: hehe, well, if you have the skills :P Mar 17 22:03:52 try UbuntuEEE, or whatever it's called these days Mar 17 22:04:01 Ths only mskes the ui incondistent and confusing Mar 17 22:04:12 jaem: easy peasy, I used to have it on my eee 701 Mar 17 22:04:18 also, Canonical is releasing the Netbook Remix properly with Jaunty, IIRC Mar 17 22:04:36 Yes i know, now he has ububtu netbook remix installed Mar 17 22:05:43 night chaps Mar 17 22:05:53 hi, I tried to flash a n800 and got an error http://pastebin.com/d1d4f02a3. wondering what to do know (or not)... Mar 17 22:06:16 oh man, those "pastebin errors" are usually bad news Mar 17 22:06:17 :P Mar 17 22:06:20 Or maybe i would say ubuntu with some gnome-panel applets and a program that makes windiw borders disaperar and tto be ever maximized Mar 17 22:06:45 Netbook Remix is basically just some mods and extensions to the GNOME desktop Mar 17 22:06:53 opengeekv2: well IMO, the ui should have a universal menu scheme, like the Mer logo Menu in the top right corner for both x86 and nit uis, and I think the hildon menu system would work nicely with both uis Mar 17 22:07:17 but the official "Netbook Remix" hasn't been released, last I checked - just its constituent parts, which you can install for the same effect Mar 17 22:07:36 * xnt thinks that that error is bad news Mar 17 22:07:42 :( Mar 17 22:07:51 xnt: it certainly doesn't look good Mar 17 22:08:51 If you only have a menu yo will need more clicks to run apps Mar 17 22:09:01 ok the bootloader flashed ok (good news) the kernel flashed, then the initfs flash failed... Mar 17 22:09:05 jaem, xnt: about which error do you talk? Mar 17 22:09:19 the last two lines Mar 17 22:10:00 prometoys: the initfs flashing failed, the initfs is when you see the loading bar, when you boot, without it you cant boot maemo Mar 17 22:10:17 heh Mar 17 22:10:27 actually initfs doesn't do anything with the loading bar :) Mar 17 22:10:35 xnt: ok. can I try to reflash it? can I disconnect it from usb now? Mar 17 22:10:47 do not disconnect it from the usb yet Mar 17 22:11:00 are you running this as root? Mar 17 22:11:14 xnt: yes Mar 17 22:11:40 ok, then what does the n800 show? Mar 17 22:12:05 xnt: the nokia logo and the usb logo in the upper right corner Mar 17 22:12:16 the LED is shining blue Mar 17 22:12:24 ok ,so don't reboot it and dont disconnect it Mar 17 22:12:41 xnt: ok Mar 17 22:12:58 Hey i go out of there ok? Mar 17 22:13:02 run dmesg, and put it in pastebin, we need to see the kernel messages Mar 17 22:13:26 Ill investigate abou onlone translating systems Mar 17 22:15:01 xnt: voila http://pastebin.com/d66296404 Mar 17 22:15:09 ok wait Mar 17 22:16:06 pastebin length limit? Mar 17 22:16:10 I don't see anything past the boot Mar 17 22:16:37 moment Mar 17 22:16:53 maybe a problem of dmesg, i compare it with syslog Mar 17 22:17:23 prometoys: dmesg |tail -n 20 Mar 17 22:17:30 or maybe more than 20 Mar 17 22:17:41 we just need the last bunch of lines Mar 17 22:17:54 where could i ask a question about osso & registering your app so that it'll handle files opened by osso_mime_open_file_with_mime_type ? Mar 17 22:18:07 probably here Mar 17 22:18:10 how much lines do you see in pastebin, I see 687 and its complete Mar 17 22:18:23 I do too... Mar 17 22:18:24 hmm Mar 17 22:18:53 I'm getting used to Arch Linux logging format, and I can't remember quite how Ubuntu does it Mar 17 22:19:09 how do you register an app to handle a certain mime type? Mar 17 22:19:15 * jaem doesn't feel like pulling up the remote Ubuntu VM Mar 17 22:19:37 jaem: im running a ubuntu machine right now Mar 17 22:19:49 xnt: what's your root password :P Mar 17 22:19:53 just kidding Mar 17 22:19:58 lol Mar 17 22:20:30 my root pass is jaemwillnotgetmyrootpass Mar 17 22:20:37 hihi Mar 17 22:20:43 ...counterintuitive... Mar 17 22:20:54 ok back to work Mar 17 22:21:08 I cant see anything useful/different in syslog Mar 17 22:21:50 you have to run dmesg --show-useful-info Mar 17 22:22:18 Stskeeps: should he try to reflash? Mar 17 22:22:20 right.. a second please ;) Mar 17 22:22:32 prometoys: you know I'm kidding... Mar 17 22:22:33 xnt: hell if i know, was in another console Mar 17 22:23:08 what sounds a littlle bit promising is "Write failed after 0 bytes", or not? Mar 17 22:23:14 jaem: of course :D Mar 17 22:23:22 prometoys: i will assume you are running it as root? Mar 17 22:23:37 Stskeeps: yes Mar 17 22:23:39 and you perform it in accordance to Mar 17 22:23:41 ~flashing Mar 17 22:23:42 rumour has it, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Mar 17 22:23:53 prometoys: well I wouldn't reccomend reboot your n800 with a new bl and kernel, and old initfs Mar 17 22:24:05 prometoys: and you use the nokia usb cable? Mar 17 22:24:05 Stskeeps: yes Mar 17 22:24:10 Stskeeps: yes Mar 17 22:24:35 verify the image is actually for your tablet? :P Mar 17 22:24:56 Stskeeps: yes, RX34 Mar 17 22:25:12 I used RX-34_DIABLO_5.2008.43-7_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin Mar 17 22:25:34 * fireun wishes he had doublespace for his 770 Mar 17 22:25:54 its already compressed isnt it Mar 17 22:25:54 prometoys: what version were you upgrading from? Mar 17 22:25:54 I think jffs2 does it anyway Mar 17 22:26:08 qwerty12_N800: bora Mar 17 22:26:24 prometoys: flash to chinook first Mar 17 22:26:25 it's a new n800, Mar 17 22:26:32 Stskeeps: what? you mean these Nokia cables? http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.6764 Mar 17 22:26:43 otherwise the initfs partition size wont get increaseed Mar 17 22:26:55 s/increaseed/increased/ Mar 17 22:26:55 qwerty12_N800 meant: otherwise the initfs partition size wont get increased Mar 17 22:26:59 I like how they excuse the obvious counterfeit by calling them "compatible", despite being a bit more than that :P Mar 17 22:28:47 but can I just right now start flashing with another image? Mar 17 22:29:02 just pop battery and try again Mar 17 22:29:15 qwerty12_n800: so the flasher wrote 0 bytes because it detected that is n800 is running bora? Mar 17 22:29:21 prometoys: Cancel it, flash to chinook & then to diablo Mar 17 22:29:33 doublespace my ram Mar 17 22:29:49 ok, so it's not (totally) damaged right now? Mar 17 22:29:54 nope Mar 17 22:30:03 Stskeeps: pop means put out and in ? Mar 17 22:30:06 yeah Mar 17 22:30:29 thank you all for your help, I will try chinook now Mar 17 22:30:39 xnt: initfs partition size is too small to flash the initfs image so it wont even bother Mar 17 22:31:00 qwerty12_n800: oh ok thanks :) Mar 17 22:31:28 with diablo, the initfs size was increased by about 2mb - 2mb more than bora or chinook had :) Mar 17 22:32:01 ok :) Mar 17 22:32:03 you wouldv thought it would have been tested, is it something that everyone upgrading hits? Mar 17 22:32:34 lcuk: the assumed upgrade path is chinook > diablo which works fine Mar 17 22:32:53 wow Mar 17 22:33:24 i know itsn ot an OS< but we have an upgrade path from release 0.1 of our work software, i think they made that sometime in '98 Mar 17 22:33:31 its not an Mar 17 22:34:01 I am just wondering, this complicated flashing-stuff it going on my nerves, but the only feature would be "no need for upgrade path" and they messed up this too :D Mar 17 22:34:18 prometoys: Mar 17 22:34:19 ~ssu Mar 17 22:34:20 ssu is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/SSU Mar 17 22:34:41 * mgedmin wants the N810 to have a LED setting "on while charging" Mar 17 22:34:45 prometoysLbrb Mar 17 22:34:59 GeneralAntilles: I know .. :D Mar 17 22:34:59 i mean br Mar 17 22:35:15 brb , my keyboard is flaking out :( Mar 17 22:35:26 mgedmin: there's quite a few ways to achieve that Mar 17 22:35:51 which one is chinook? version 2.2007.51-3 ? Mar 17 22:36:19 mgedmin: you may be able to hack something like this on your own Mar 17 22:36:24 mgedmin: Personally I would prefer to have the LED off while charging, it bugs me when I sleep Mar 17 22:36:55 I just want to see from a distance when it's done charging (or when the flakey power cord stopped working again and needs tweaking) Mar 17 22:36:59 * RST38h rotates the tablet so that LED faces the wall, but it is kinda minor given the array of other LEDs present in the room Mar 17 22:37:22 the leather pouch should works quite well, I think Mar 17 22:38:06 mgedmin: http://powerlaunch.garage.maemo.org/ but I wouldn't reccomend that you try it, one mistake and your tablet gone. Mar 17 22:38:54 caution: may explode? Mar 17 22:39:16 it will grow legs and run away from you Mar 17 22:39:32 * jaem loves blinkenlights Mar 17 22:39:48 yeah, flashing runs :D Mar 17 22:40:14 * jaem wants a rack of blinkenlights in his living room, which he would drape with garland and tinsel at Christmas time Mar 17 22:40:23 * b-man uploads the new ubuntu-n8x0 2.2 image Mar 17 22:40:37 the rack and the tinsel aren't the problem... it's the servers that are expensive :P Mar 17 22:40:43 * jaem high fives b-man! Mar 17 22:41:08 mgedmin: use something that responds to the dbus signal of charger connected (acmonitor, dbus-scripts-settings, adv-power) and echo to /sys/devices/platform/i2c_omap.2/i2c-0/0-0032/color and /sys/devices/platform/i2c_omap.2/i2c-0/0-0032/mode Mar 17 22:41:08 * b-man gives jeam a high five :D Mar 17 22:41:11 b-man: hint of advice btw, your post should probably mention people shouldn't ask about ubuntu-n8x0 in ubuntu channels as it's not their product :P Mar 17 22:41:36 Stskeeps: very good point Mar 17 22:41:50 Stskeeps: i'll do that ;) Mar 17 22:41:52 I seem to remember Ubuntu having a similar issue with something else a while back Mar 17 22:42:03 where people drowned the forums in irrelevant requests Mar 17 22:42:11 * b-man needs to make a ubuntu-n8x0 channel Mar 17 22:42:14 jaem: technically b-man isn't even allowed to call it ubuntu, but that's another discussion Mar 17 22:42:24 also a good point Mar 17 22:42:28 jaem, looks like they don't have the plastic bit with the markings that make it look like Nokia (judging by the comments) Mar 17 22:42:29 :P Mar 17 22:42:44 ah... that's amusing Mar 17 22:43:04 b-man: hopefully when solca creates nitselector, i can try ubuntu-n8x0, I never cared about the android sdk because I didn't have a android device, so I like the idea of full blown ubuntu on my n810 :P Mar 17 22:43:06 jaem, actually in the picture there's no "Nokia" written on that plastic bit either, on the real thing there is :P Mar 17 22:43:27 * b-man cannot find a better project name... Mar 17 22:43:30 any suggestions? Mar 17 22:43:42 Stskeeps: have you seen their TM violation letters? Canonical's lawyers aren't just un-rabid - they're actually *friendly* Mar 17 22:43:50 *correction* after android device, now I started developing for it Mar 17 22:44:10 b-man: moblin Mar 17 22:44:11 * b-man is not calling it tabuntu XD Mar 17 22:44:11 oh wait Mar 17 22:44:13 b-man: ubkia :p Mar 17 22:44:33 Does any1 know where I can download and install debootstrap from on nokia n810? Mar 17 22:44:37 ubumaekia Mar 17 22:44:39 ubkia? XP Mar 17 22:44:43 faso: I forget Mar 17 22:44:49 jaem: still, nothing makes parents more happy than a lawyer letter.. Mar 17 22:44:49 I would like to remember Mar 17 22:45:02 b-man: I always had trouble finding names for my projects :P Mar 17 22:45:05 Stskeeps: yeah, but they /are/ nice about it Mar 17 22:45:12 tabuntu lol Mar 17 22:45:16 which is unheard of Mar 17 22:45:23 I tried maemo-extras-devel but it doesnt help Mar 17 22:45:30 jaem, Stskeeps, xnt, thanks for your help. flashing worked and now diablo is annoying me with the setup wizard :D Mar 17 22:45:39 xnt: they have a wildcard trademark on *buntu, I believe Mar 17 22:45:40 prometoys: woo :) Mar 17 22:45:40 prometoys: np Mar 17 22:45:43 xnt: yeah people laughed when i suggested it XP Mar 17 22:45:43 Hello ! Mar 17 22:45:54 prometoys: woot. Mar 17 22:46:09 xnt, b-man: am I missing something? Mar 17 22:46:16 and i remember Stskeeps being horified XD Mar 17 22:46:47 b-man: btw, heads up, packages.tspre.org might be going away Mar 17 22:46:50 jeam: the tabuntu suggestion Mar 17 22:46:55 I'm trying to change a TaskNavigatorItem widget in the TaskNav does this one is cached by maemo launcher ? as i can do what i want i can't change it Mar 17 22:46:56 * jaem doesn't get it Mar 17 22:47:04 it's the second day with the n800 and I still try to pull out the keyboard (like in my n810) Mar 17 22:47:12 prometoys: pull harder Mar 17 22:47:14 b-man : I am following ur tips on getting jaunty on n810...I dont have debootstrap...Do u know how I can get that? Mar 17 22:47:14 prometoys: lol Mar 17 22:47:15 Stskeeps: noo! DX Mar 17 22:47:52 faso: apt-get install debootstrap Mar 17 22:48:03 oh - it's in the repos? Mar 17 22:48:04 huh Mar 17 22:48:07 I forgot Mar 17 22:48:22 jaem, b-man : which repo is it ? Mar 17 22:48:38 jaem: definitely more useful then the handwriting recognition :) Mar 17 22:48:46 so noone have any idea ? Mar 17 22:48:56 faso: in the absence of a repo name, generally assume Extras - although in this case I'm not sure Mar 17 22:49:16 b-man: do me a favour sometime and see how much breaks if you simply bootstrap without pinning the mer repository, just having it alongside as a source.. Mar 17 22:49:17 * b-man also cannot remember Mar 17 22:49:55 b-man: and what packages you need to force to be from mer (through package=ver) stuff Mar 17 22:49:56 faso: extras-devel Mar 17 22:50:09 just remember to remove the repo when you're done, as that's mostly unstable software Mar 17 22:50:16 s/remove/disable/ Mar 17 22:50:16 jaem meant: just remember to disable the repo when you're done, as that's mostly unstable software Mar 17 22:50:17 b-man: because then we should wrap the ubuntu stuff into mer, as a variant, really. Mar 17 22:50:43 u mean maemo-extras-devel ? Mar 17 22:51:00 I tried it but it doesnt work Mar 17 22:51:00 http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel is the URL Mar 17 22:51:26 what error did it give you? Mar 17 22:51:31 Stskeeps: I use some of the kernel module and wireless firmware packages Mar 17 22:52:05 i assume some of the tslib/-tslib and hal packages as well Mar 17 22:52:11 yup Mar 17 22:52:33 * b-man is working on getting it all in he repo Mar 17 22:52:39 *the Mar 17 22:52:43 Stskeeps: I like to wget -r some of my favorite sites, when there about to be taken down :P Mar 17 22:53:19 hmm Mar 17 22:53:27 nah XD Mar 17 22:54:15 jk Mar 17 22:56:16 although I can mirror a site if you want, I have a Dreamhost Hosting Plan with alot of bandwidth :P Mar 17 22:59:55 Stskeeps: when you mean by wraping up mer and ubuntu do you mean merging? Mar 17 23:00:32 b-man: as in it really ought to be such that you can install gnome if you so want in mer or ubuntu core Mar 17 23:03:06 * Stskeeps heads to bed Mar 17 23:03:14 ..as in i could make a sys-env that's compatible with both systems Mar 17 23:04:00 Stskeeps: wait! Mar 17 23:04:05 * xnt is bored Mar 17 23:05:03 * qwerty12_N800 starts on his Romeo & Juliet coursework that is due in tomorrow... >.< Mar 17 23:05:09 I tried doing apt-get install debootstrap...then it gave me a broken package error Mar 17 23:05:23 wonder how u guys did a debotostrap Mar 17 23:05:59 qwerty12_n800: your not allone, i had to do that last year as a freshman Mar 17 23:06:13 hehe Mar 17 23:06:14 * xnt is supposed to be doing his homework instead of chatting in irc :P Mar 17 23:06:48 qwerty12_N800: are you a sophmore? - just wondering.. Mar 17 23:06:56 * fireun is bored, finals are over Mar 17 23:07:10 * fireun is watching the shuttle dock with the ISS Mar 17 23:07:21 i got a final tomorrow o_o Mar 17 23:07:22 just about to open the hatch Mar 17 23:07:57 b-man: dunno how the American system of British "years" work - all i know is that I'm in my last year of secondary school :) Mar 17 23:08:17 0o Mar 17 23:08:30 i'm only in my second year Mar 17 23:08:55 * mgedmin had 12 years of school and never understood where primary, secondary etc started and ended Mar 17 23:09:07 lol Mar 17 23:09:34 * xnt is really bored with school Mar 17 23:09:45 primary - k-6 secondary - 7-12.. i think Mar 17 23:10:05 Not in the UK Mar 17 23:10:18 * b-man is in 10th grade Mar 17 23:10:39 I was bored in lunch so i went to the tech lab, and booted a linux livecd with the android sdk and coded the whole period Mar 17 23:10:42 Primary = 5-11, Secondary = 11 - 116/18 Mar 17 23:10:55 hello Jaffa Mar 17 23:10:56 Jaffa: b-man means grade, not age. Mar 17 23:11:02 * xnt is in the 8th grade Mar 17 23:11:04 oh Mar 17 23:11:27 Ah. That's right then Mar 17 23:11:49 Yeah, they're just about the same. Mar 17 23:11:58 Except graduating at 16 is pretty rare in the US. Mar 17 23:12:15 yup XP Mar 17 23:12:37 school is boring in the 8th grade Mar 17 23:12:42 good night Mar 17 23:13:15 xnt: 7th and 8th were the most interesting for me Mar 17 23:14:19 got a girlfriend did you? >.< Mar 17 23:15:14 I hate my school, they force us to use windows and IE, and we have no wifi what so ever, and the only computers which can boot of of cd are the ones in the tech lab :( Mar 17 23:15:59 xnt, that is most schools o_O Mar 17 23:16:04 xnt: When I was in 8th grade, the only computers we had at _all_ were in a lab. Mar 17 23:16:19 And they were all Apple (not even Macs). Mar 17 23:17:10 i remember using apples in 2nd grade or so...i was so brainwashed :\ Mar 17 23:17:37 It's all about the Oregon Trail. That's how they get you. Mar 17 23:17:47 seriously I get so pissed when IE crashes on me, making me lose all my work, When I get to Highschool, Im going to try to switch my school over to linux, but it will be hard. Mar 17 23:18:04 not possible Mar 17 23:18:23 got to know what it is first >.< Mar 17 23:18:59 or atleast I will sneak a FON router into the tech lab and hide it in the mess of wires :P Mar 17 23:21:01 My school has a million legacy (Pentium) Computers, that they have no use for Mar 17 23:21:41 my school has one ibm-comparible pc when I was there (a 486 iirc) Mar 17 23:22:04 me's speling is becming atrocious Mar 17 23:22:24 I will Just install LTSP on their server and boot edubuntu on all the computers at school Mar 17 23:23:18 mgedmin: lol, when I was in preschool , we had a dos computer. Mar 17 23:23:28 we did not have computers at school Mar 17 23:24:02 so you should all consider yourselves lucky, young men! Mar 17 23:24:09 * RST38h cackles evilly Mar 17 23:24:16 brb Mar 17 23:25:10 RST38h, ahhh because they were not invented yet? Mar 17 23:25:14 * z4chh hides Mar 17 23:33:15 i'm back - got disconnected XP Mar 17 23:33:42 xp points for disconnects? cool. Mar 17 23:34:01 how does the postinst file needs to be named in the debian directory ? is it appname.postinst or postinst or postinst.ex ? (dh_make makes the last one) Mar 17 23:34:09 * Jaffa beds Mar 17 23:34:18 joyrider: "postinst" Mar 17 23:34:29 ok thanks Mar 17 23:34:32 The ".ex"es mean "example" Mar 17 23:34:55 aha Mar 17 23:35:26 also does one have to call that iconcache updater ? Mar 17 23:36:13 joyrider: appname.postinst is for when you're making multiple binary packages from a single source (but that said, it doesn't hurt to use appname.postinst for a single binary package being made from a single source ;)) Mar 17 23:36:41 joyrider: if installing new icons to /usr/share/icons/hicolor Mar 17 23:36:49 ok Mar 17 23:36:51 im back Mar 17 23:36:57 thanks Mar 17 23:37:50 i finally figured out why my deb file was always empty cause i wasn't calling install but cp instead Mar 17 23:37:55 b-man: have you read Little Brother? http://craphound.com/littlebrother/download/ Its Licensed under the CreativeCommons Mar 17 23:38:24 thanks to lcuk :) Mar 17 23:38:44 xnt: yeah, I read it on my N810, then went and bought the hard-cover Mar 17 23:38:45 :D Mar 17 23:38:46 xnt: your not in highschool yet? Mar 17 23:39:02 I can imagine his Phone being a N810 with a cell radio Mar 17 23:39:18 b-man: no not yet, im in the 8th grade Mar 17 23:39:51 " Except graduating at 16 is pretty rare in the US.": I managed to :P... In Canada... in a private school, where they could do things like that Mar 17 23:40:26 my high school used to be all Windows machines Mar 17 23:40:42 then they switched the primary classes to Mac, for some reason Mar 17 23:40:49 jaem: Well I read the hard cover in my library, then googled it and found the site Mar 17 23:41:07 * b-man grew up on mac... then windows came >< Mar 17 23:41:08 and now we have a couple of nice-ish Macs in the high school lab (it's a K-12 school), as well as a few Ubuntu boxen Mar 17 23:41:30 jeam: sweet Mar 17 23:41:34 jaem: Lucky, Mar 17 23:41:50 well, I graduated before they put in Linux :( Mar 17 23:41:52 jaem: I want to be in your school Mar 17 23:41:59 :( Mar 17 23:42:07 * b-man is allowed to install software on the computers at his school XD Mar 17 23:42:09 and we had to do C# in my IT class Mar 17 23:42:12 for some reason Mar 17 23:42:32 despite all the previous and following years doing C++, which is actually useful Mar 17 23:42:41 * xnt is not allowed to execute exes on his school computer Mar 17 23:43:38 jeam: we have quad-core desktops and laptops with powerful gpu's + laptops and a smartboard in every room XD Mar 17 23:43:57 xnt: same, although me & friends cracked admin password... But the bastards changed it & it's not worth cracking again as I've only got 2 months left Mar 17 23:44:10 hehe Mar 17 23:44:13 b-man: I hate you Mar 17 23:44:18 lol Mar 17 23:44:21 I hope you're joking Mar 17 23:44:31 no XD Mar 17 23:44:34 darn you! Mar 17 23:44:39 lol Mar 17 23:44:51 xnt: our IT guy was fairly lenient Mar 17 23:45:18 if you /could/ do something you weren't supposed to do, and you didn't cause any trouble with it, it was ignored Mar 17 23:45:33 but there still was some things that were "over the line" Mar 17 23:46:00 we don't even use chaklboards/whiteboards - it's all touchscreen XD Mar 17 23:46:23 i'm serious Mar 17 23:46:36 b-man: my school had a huge security hole, where anyone could open up word, go to office online help, that would open up firefox and then type in X:/admin, you can open up a cmd prompt with admin privlidges, Its all patched up now. Mar 17 23:46:50 tricking him into letting me load a C# program I'd made on his work laptop, which popped the CD tray at random intervals only got me a "I want the source code" from him Mar 17 23:46:53 and yeah, that's stupid Mar 17 23:46:57 but it was amusing to watch Mar 17 23:47:04 hehe Mar 17 23:47:14 b-man: we have smartboards Mar 17 23:47:18 jaem: lol Mar 17 23:47:35 he ended up rebooting - not that he couldn't have fixed it, but he didn't suspect anything from me, so I guess it was just easier than stopping in the middle of teaching to figure it out Mar 17 23:47:36 xnt: nice :D Mar 17 23:48:18 wow... Mar 17 23:48:44 * b-man loves to mess around with google earth on the smartboards XD Mar 17 23:48:47 b-man: if my school switched to linux, I don't have to worry about compatability, SMARTtech has software for mac windows and linux. Mar 17 23:48:49 Nasa's live video feeds load a *picture* of the WMP plugin (badly compressed) before they load the actual player Mar 17 23:49:03 it made me doubletake when I saw WMP "running" in Linux/FF Mar 17 23:49:13 that's just sad Mar 17 23:50:10 Life of a Linux geek is full of frustrations, it seems... Mar 17 23:50:30 well, it should work with the MPlayer plugin Mar 17 23:50:35 * b-man lounges on his poach while waching a sunset and chatting on xchat Mar 17 23:50:39 I just thought it ridiculous that they would do that Mar 17 23:50:58 Meanwhile in Boston: http://i.gizmodo.com/5172560/bigdog-quadruped-robot-turns-into-killer-spanish-bull Mar 17 23:50:59 b-man: where's my sunset? I want one too Mar 17 23:51:05 loll Mar 17 23:51:14 * jaem steals b-man's sunset Mar 17 23:51:23 nooo!! Mar 17 23:51:45 * b-man steals it back XD Mar 17 23:51:47 where's your envy-causing imagery now? huh? Mar 17 23:51:49 oh wait Mar 17 23:51:54 back where it started, apparently Mar 17 23:52:00 * RST38h toggles the light switch on both. Mar 17 23:52:03 * jaem implodes the sun Mar 17 23:52:10 it's still uploading Mar 17 23:52:14 the sun? Mar 17 23:52:24 * jaem pulls his ethernet plug Mar 17 23:52:25 no XD Mar 17 23:52:30 lol Mar 17 23:52:33 i think i'm going to try to install android on my n800 Mar 17 23:52:44 actually no i won't.. i don't think they have a soft keyboard for it Mar 17 23:52:45 lame Mar 17 23:52:53 b-man: some teachers are stupid, I loaded up ubuntu in the techlab and my english teacher said no hacking XD Mar 17 23:52:59 * jaem actually *did* just pull his ethernet cord, but IRC didn't die Mar 17 23:52:59 lol Mar 17 23:53:08 lol x100 Mar 17 23:53:29 xnt: hehe, dolts XD Mar 17 23:53:31 Macor: If you Install cupcake they have a soft keyboard Mar 17 23:53:48 xnt: lol - you should have told him that hacking is a perfectly legitimate activity Mar 17 23:53:58 it's not like you were /cracking/ anything Mar 17 23:54:00 XD Mar 17 23:54:33 * b-man secretary set up a chatting network XD Mar 17 23:54:43 Macor: I Installed Android Cupcake on my N810 and when I close my kb and tap on a text field, a soft keyborad comes up Mar 17 23:55:01 how well does NITdroid work these days? Mar 17 23:55:08 it still runs on top of Maemo, right? Mar 17 23:55:12 Im running nitdroid Mar 17 23:55:38 xnt: hm... interesting Mar 17 23:55:47 I reiterate my question: ___ ___ ____ __ ____? Mar 17 23:55:50 i might install it later today.. i like android more than maemo Mar 17 23:55:54 how good is the hardware support? Mar 17 23:56:02 no, you boot into it. you forfeit being able to boot maemo until you reflash maemo kernel Mar 17 23:56:04 is there sound? :) Mar 17 23:56:13 Macor: no sound :( Mar 17 23:56:18 qwerty12_N800: does it install to jffs, then? Mar 17 23:56:21 xnt: well.. that's kind of a deal breaker ;) Mar 17 23:56:23 or is it an option? Mar 17 23:56:37 jaem: nope, mmc partition 3 only Mar 17 23:56:46 it /has/ to be p3? Mar 17 23:56:53 is there a rational explanation for that? Mar 17 23:57:04 hardcoded in nitdroid kernel Mar 17 23:57:11 huh Mar 17 23:57:12 as cmdline iirc Mar 17 23:57:28 not quite what I'd call rational, from my ignorant point of view Mar 17 23:57:29 lol Mar 17 23:57:39 Macor, jaem: once kexec support is stable again, nitdroid will support booting back into maemo Mar 17 23:58:41 well, I should really go do homework Mar 17 23:58:52 I've spent *way* too much time on IRC the last few days Mar 17 23:59:07 Macor: You have to flash a patched kernel, and you have to partition your internal sd into fat32,fat32,ext3 Mar 17 23:59:09 someone do me a favour and kick me if I sign in in the next 2 hours :P Mar 17 23:59:13 * b-man doesn't have homework... ever XD Mar 17 23:59:27 * xnt is done with homework :P Mar 17 23:59:30 bye, everyone Mar 17 23:59:30 xnt: i will use it when it has sound ;) Mar 17 23:59:44 Too late for me - I'm doing my homework *while* chatting :p Mar 17 23:59:45 jaem: bye Mar 17 23:59:52 it's all done at school ;) Mar 17 23:59:52 AA Mar 18 00:00:21 qwerty12: i just did the same. Mar 18 00:00:59 Macor: I really don't mind, I just use my blackberry for music. Mar 18 00:01:17 i would use my g1 for music.. but no a2dp support ;) Mar 18 00:01:49 Macor: whats the point of installing nitdroid if you already have a g1? Mar 18 00:02:10 because i like android ;) Mar 18 00:02:29 i want to see how well it works on the n800 Mar 18 00:02:41 wonder if cupcake will have bt hid support Mar 18 00:03:16 Macor: actually, I heard that the iphone just got copy/paste, mms, and a2dp. now the g1 needs a2dp, and easy root Mar 18 00:03:23 i hope so Mar 18 00:03:36 macor: ok Mar 18 00:03:59 i thought getting root was rather easy Mar 18 00:04:24 i care more about the bluetooth hid support and a2dp support Mar 18 00:04:40 * qwerty12_N800 types rm -rf / in the notepad Mar 18 00:04:42 especially if they get a good copy of andoffice working Mar 18 00:04:49 OH SHIT! Mar 18 00:04:55 lol Mar 18 00:05:00 or maybe even quickoffice.. quickoffice was great for my n95 Mar 18 00:05:18 but i could also use my su8w on my n95 Mar 18 00:05:58 qwerty12_N800: did you really mess it up?, or are you joking? Mar 18 00:06:26 wtf is with these random freenode dcc sends from random people on port 0? Mar 18 00:06:33 some time of winnuking or something? :) Mar 18 00:07:10 b-man: lol, joking (remembering how stupidly easy it was to run root commands on an G1)... Mar 18 00:07:17 anyone here how jaunty working from internal mmc on an n800? Mar 18 00:07:30 b-man yay Mar 18 00:07:43 well I don't keep up with the g1 recently. Mar 18 00:08:10 i just updated mine.. jfupdater does everything for you now to update Mar 18 00:08:16 Im stuck at the WSOD after trying to boot using Fanoush's bootmenu Mar 18 00:09:04 just says "Booting from mmc1 (mmcblk0p1 ext3)..." Mar 18 00:09:12 and hangs Mar 18 00:09:19 any ideas? Mar 18 00:11:50 pinback: reboot, and when it says press menu to enter the bootmenu, go to the usb networking option, and then try to setup usb networking and telnet into your nit and edit the bootmenu.conf file Mar 18 00:12:31 xnt: I've been ssh'ing in and doing that Mar 18 00:12:34 b-man: do you mind if you help pinback? I have to eat dinner. :P, see you guys later! Mar 18 00:12:59 Its booted into regular OS2008 - I'll ssh in now Mar 18 00:13:28 oh ok then ask b-man for help Mar 18 00:13:47 got a 16Gb ext partition mounted on /dev/mmcblk0p1 Mar 18 00:13:56 with bman's rootstrap on it Mar 18 00:14:13 lol, i got a 8 gb sd, ok gotta go :P Mar 18 00:14:31 :-) Mar 18 00:16:49 bman u there? Mar 18 00:19:28 i am now :) Mar 18 00:19:37 hi Mar 18 00:19:43 hello Mar 18 00:20:00 just tried removing jbd and reflashing didnt help but at least it didnt hang Mar 18 00:20:43 jbd? Mar 18 00:20:44 bootmenu.conf looks like this: Mar 18 00:20:51 MENU_2_NAME="Internal MMC card, partition 1, ext3" MENU_2_ID="mmc1" MENU_2_DEVICE="${INT_CARD}p1" MENU_2_MODULES="mbcache ext3" MENU_2_FSTYPE="ext3" MENU_2_FSOPTIONS="noatime" [ -d "/sys/block/${INT_CARD}/${MENU_2_DEVICE}" ] || MENU_2_NAME="(${MENU_2_NAME}) N/A" Mar 18 00:20:58 hmmm... paste didnt work Mar 18 00:21:06 MENU_2_NAME="Internal MMC card, partition 1, ext3" Mar 18 00:21:10 MENU_2_ID="mmc1" Mar 18 00:21:14 MENU_2_DEVICE="${INT_CARD}p1" Mar 18 00:21:18 MENU_2_MODULES="mbcache ext3" Mar 18 00:21:22 MENU_2_FSTYPE="ext3" Mar 18 00:21:26 MENU_2_FSOPTIONS="noatime" Mar 18 00:21:30 [ -d "/sys/block/${INT_CARD}/${MENU_2_DEVICE}" ] || MENU_2_NAME="(${MENU_2_NAME}) N/A" Mar 18 00:21:50 Im adding jbd back into the modules now Mar 18 00:22:05 are you using deblet's bootmenu? Mar 18 00:22:18 was trying to use Fanoush's one Mar 18 00:22:27 you can't Mar 18 00:22:30 ooo Mar 18 00:22:52 that will explain it Mar 18 00:23:20 I dont know much about bootmenus Mar 18 00:23:34 Is there an easy way to replace Fanoush's witth deblets? Mar 18 00:23:59 hold on.. Mar 18 00:24:08 * b-man grabs a link Mar 18 00:25:48 are applications build on the diablo sdk backwards compatible with older tablets like N800 & N770 ? Mar 18 00:25:58 http://trac.tspre.org/projects/deblet - should help you with the bootmenu Mar 18 00:26:15 thx - reading now Mar 18 00:27:51 anyone care to test my znax game ? everything seems to be working on my N810 except for the unnamed window thing can't get it to display something else so i'll leave it like that atm. here's the deb : http://users.telenet.be/IMS/N810/znax_1.0-1_armel.deb and here's a small flash swf of the game from when i was testing it http://users.telenet.be/IMS/N810/znax.html Mar 18 00:29:24 joyrider: look at the Game Development page on wiki, mikkov wrote code which sets the title of sdl games removing the "" Mar 18 00:30:23 yeah i tried that but still can't get it to work i did change one thing though since i gave fullscreen flag to sdl i removed the windowed thingie unless it's really needed Mar 18 00:31:02 * b-man gets angry when gftp crashes right before completing the image upload........ arggghhh *throws book accross the room* Mar 18 00:31:29 wfm, I just usually add it after the sdl set wmcaption Mar 18 00:32:34 ah that might be my problem then i setted the caption after it Mar 18 00:33:25 in case anyones testing : + & - keys change volume l changes skin Mar 18 00:34:22 and highscores have to be entered with the little DPad for now Mar 18 00:40:03 ok - got deblet bootmeny installed and flashed Mar 18 00:40:12 do I need to install deblet as well? Mar 18 00:42:07 no Mar 18 00:42:26 ok - so I edit /etc/bootmenu.conf now? Mar 18 00:43:12 you have to add an item file to /etc/bootmenu.d Mar 18 00:43:28 yup - got the info on ITT Mar 18 00:43:41 trying to work out where to put it in the file Mar 18 00:44:15 put it in /etc/bootmenu.d and then run refresh_boottmenu.d Mar 18 00:44:17 ah... create ubuntu.item Mar 18 00:44:22 yes Mar 18 00:44:58 re: refresh_bootmenu.d - sorry XP Mar 18 00:45:03 ITEM_FSOPTIONS="noatime,ro" ? Mar 18 00:45:12 do I need ",ro" ? Mar 18 00:45:12 yup Mar 18 00:45:24 yes, if it's ext3 Mar 18 00:45:56 it is - refreshing now Mar 18 00:46:17 rebooting Mar 18 00:46:52 "Starting linuxrc ..." Mar 18 00:47:04 doh! rebooted Mar 18 00:47:37 going to bed see ya Mar 18 00:47:49 see ya :) Mar 18 00:48:56 hmmm... it just rebooted - how can I work out why? Mar 18 00:49:02 dont see anything in dmesg Mar 18 00:49:36 1001 Carman Packages Mar 18 00:52:02 pinback: try running 'apt-get update; apt-get dis-upgrade; apt-get install sys-env-x' and see if that helps Mar 18 00:52:20 For n800 internal SD card partiton one its mmcblk0p1 during boot right? I have another card in the external slot. Mar 18 00:54:05 apt-get dis-upgrade wants to remove busybox Mar 18 00:54:17 DO NOT DIST-UPGRADE ON DEVICE! Mar 18 00:54:31 It's currently unsupported and can lead to reboot loops with certain combinations of repositories. :) Mar 18 00:54:36 Ok, I hit CTRL-C Mar 18 00:54:42 In this case, the SDK repository (which you should never have on your device anyway). Mar 18 00:54:50 im back :) Mar 18 00:54:52 GeneralAntillies: he's in ubuntu XP Mar 18 00:54:53 It's trying to upgrade to gnutils. Mar 18 00:55:28 sys-env-x has a lot of unmet dependencies Mar 18 00:55:36 b-man, this is #maemo Mar 18 00:58:07 yes, but i'm guiding him through installing ubuntu-n8x0 Mar 18 00:58:18 #ubuntu-n8x0 Mar 18 00:58:22 woohoo - found my typo in ubuntu.item Mar 18 00:58:29 ...booting now (fingers crossed) Mar 18 00:59:49 taking a while in /sbin/init... Mar 18 01:00:09 GeneralAntillies, fine. :P Mar 18 01:01:10 how long does "pivot root and starting /sbin/init..." usually take? Mar 18 01:01:33 1-2 seconds Mar 18 01:01:40 eeek its hung then Mar 18 01:02:06 reboot? Mar 18 01:03:19 yup :( Mar 18 01:03:47 hung again Mar 18 01:03:54 I'll boot into maemo and ssh in Mar 18 01:05:20 I'll untar the rootfs tarball again - I probably messed something up Mar 18 01:05:54 you might have to wait untill i get this new image up :( - that one is extremely buggy :( Mar 18 01:08:06 hope not :-/ untarring now Mar 18 01:08:25 xnt, you still here? can you help pinback?, i need to go, i'll be back in about ½ hour Mar 18 01:08:36 yea im still here Mar 18 01:08:41 hi :-) Mar 18 01:08:44 hi Mar 18 01:08:56 I installed bootmenu and it is trying to boot ubuntu Mar 18 01:09:00 can you wait while I look through the chat log Mar 18 01:09:02 thanks Mar 18 01:09:10 sure Mar 18 01:12:29 waiting on it untarring now Mar 18 01:12:44 untarring the ubuntu rootfs? Mar 18 01:13:12 yup (wow - Thermaltake has a bluetooth mini mouse for $9.99 with free ship USA :-) Mar 18 01:13:24 you think that will work in ubuntu n800? Mar 18 01:14:02 well im not sure :P I run nitdroid, but I've tried ubuntu-n8x0, before. Mar 18 01:14:20 nitdroid == android port? Mar 18 01:14:22 well if the bt hid drivers work then it might work Mar 18 01:14:41 ok its untarred Mar 18 01:14:42 yea, nitdroid is an android 1.0 port Mar 18 01:14:53 ok Mar 18 01:14:57 Do I need to reflash before rebooting? Mar 18 01:15:12 * xnt is going to the b-mans itt ubuntu post Mar 18 01:15:22 ok hold on a sec :) Mar 18 01:15:55 is it me or is itt slow? Mar 18 01:16:06 * pinback is itchign to reboot Mar 18 01:16:55 its u - fast for me Mar 18 01:16:57 :-) Mar 18 01:18:17 which image did you untar? Mar 18 01:19:11 this one http://www.bman.maemobox.org/projects/ubuntu-n8x0/Ubuntu-9.04-N8x0-v2.1.tar.gz Mar 18 01:20:42 will I give it a whirl? Mar 18 01:23:46 i'm back :) Mar 18 01:23:51 hihihi Mar 18 01:24:03 XD Mar 18 01:24:20 b-man: am I missing something? http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25975 are these the current instructions? Mar 18 01:24:45 yes Mar 18 01:25:01 but i'll be updating them soon Mar 18 01:26:06 * pinback is going to try a quick reboot Mar 18 01:27:16 still getting stuck in /sbin/init Mar 18 01:28:03 hmm :( Mar 18 01:28:06 Im going to wipe the partition and untar again Mar 18 01:28:46 pinback: i'd just wait for the new image Mar 18 01:29:00 ok will do - one last try :-) Mar 18 01:29:57 :) Mar 18 01:31:30 b-man: what is the easiest way to install ubuntu-n8x0 on a nokia n810 with 8gb sd? oh and with the tar image, does that mean that I don't have to create my own rootstrap? Mar 18 01:32:00 * pinback is reformatting his ext3 partition Mar 18 01:32:41 xnt, partition and format it, and yes Mar 18 01:33:11 nitdroid doesn't have good power managment, it drained my whole battery in my pocket :(, ill try nitdroid when it has suppourt for booting into maemo,mer,etc Mar 18 01:33:29 so just partition, extract, and im good to go? Mar 18 01:35:21 busybox date uses a strange format to set the date/time: date -s MMDDHHMMYYYY Mar 18 01:35:40 you'll need to configure it and install a desktop env ;) - but i'm recomending that you wait for the new image, it will be far easier to install :) Mar 18 01:36:07 heh Mar 18 01:37:37 * b-man waches as the image reaches 12% upload completion - 1 hour, 20 minutes remaining... Mar 18 01:37:42 ok ill just reflash my nit to maemo diablo, and then ill install your new image Mar 18 01:37:49 I see a post from someone on ITT having what might be the same problems as me: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=264939&postcount=58 Mar 18 01:39:10 * pinback is going to check his Ubuntu /etc/fstab Mar 18 01:40:36 * b-man is going to have a headache trying to awnser the questions that have accumulated in the ubuntu thread :P Mar 18 01:40:48 b-man: in one of your ubuntu screenshots, what screenlet is this? http://www.bman.maemobox.org/projects/ubuntu-n8x0/screenshots/Screenshot-6.png Mar 18 01:41:38 b-man: ok I think I could help trying to answer some of them :) Mar 18 01:42:22 thank you! Mar 18 01:42:47 b-man: ubuntu-n8x0 has its own bootloader/recoverymenu Mar 18 01:43:08 yup :) Mar 18 01:43:28 artwork created by me :D Mar 18 01:43:52 is it risky to install it? Mar 18 01:43:58 nice artwork :) Mar 18 01:44:50 thanks and no Mar 18 01:45:03 * pinback just noticed b-man is uploading Mar 18 01:45:07 thanks Mar 18 01:45:10 is that the new rootfs image? Mar 18 01:45:29 b-man: whats the status on the new image? Mar 18 01:49:10 nah - stuck in "pivot root and starting /sbin/init..." :-( Mar 18 01:49:21 whats it actually doing there? Mar 18 01:49:40 is there a log someplace? Mar 18 01:49:51 pinback:I thinks it hangs trying to start init, and it fails Mar 18 01:50:29 could that be a problem with bootmenu.conf? Mar 18 01:51:11 maybe, init is the first process that linux starts pid 1 Mar 18 01:51:55 it is o_o Mar 18 01:56:17 * xnt is flashing the diablo kernel back to his n810, and disabling R&D mode Mar 18 01:57:45 damn, can't wget the diablo image :( Mar 18 01:57:54 ok giving up now - thanks for trying to help Mar 18 01:58:17 whats the ETA for the new image? Mar 18 01:58:17 pinback: I say wait for the new image, im waiting for it Mar 18 01:58:26 pinback: like i said, wait for the new image ;) Mar 18 01:58:50 wait are there two b-mans now? Mar 18 01:59:00 he forked Mar 18 01:59:06 oh ok Mar 18 01:59:09 lol Mar 18 01:59:28 my damn router crashed and i had to start over XP - 12 Mar 18 01:59:30 % Mar 18 01:59:48 damn :( Mar 18 02:00:07 :( Mar 18 02:00:17 firefox is slow with 700+ tabs open :P Mar 18 02:00:22 lol Mar 18 02:00:27 anything woudl be slow with 700+ tabs open Mar 18 02:01:12 I know usually on any machine I have atleast 60 tabs open, I cant imagine my nit with 700 tabs Mar 18 02:01:22 ? Mar 18 02:01:22 * b-man16 only has two open Mar 18 02:01:40 lol Mar 18 02:01:47 lol Mar 18 02:02:04 nite - will try the new image when I see it on ITT - thx again ;-) Mar 18 02:02:08 two? what is open in those tabs? Mar 18 02:02:20 pinback: bye Mar 18 02:02:46 yup - FreeNode and #maemo Mar 18 02:03:16 lol Mar 18 02:03:25 ok diablo image done Mar 18 02:04:52 * b-man16 checks his contracts to pass the time Mar 18 02:05:23 20% btw :) Mar 18 02:05:41 b-man16: what irc client do you use anyways? Mar 18 02:06:08 xchat Mar 18 02:06:51 I sometimes I use pidgin, but I usually use irssi, ill try xchat Mar 18 02:06:53 brb Mar 18 02:07:22 xchat ftw Mar 18 02:07:36 irssi is good to :) Mar 18 02:07:43 it's a pritty good client :) Mar 18 02:10:09 i use pidgin for aim, msn, yahoo...it is great having it all in one, unlike winblows where you get aim client which comes with like 50 other spam apps Mar 18 02:14:17 30% done :) Mar 18 02:14:56 IceFox3, what's ya doing? Mar 18 02:15:35 uploading the new Ubuntu-n8x0 image :) Mar 18 02:16:20 oh good, i think ill install that this weekend! Mar 18 02:16:31 * IceFox3 notices there acctually is an msn channel on FreeNode... lol Mar 18 02:16:50 sweet :) Mar 18 02:19:40 ....36% Mar 18 02:20:06 re: 37% Mar 18 02:22:47 night all, thanks for uploading IceFox3 <3 Mar 18 02:23:24 no problem :) c ya Mar 18 02:25:11 41% at 15.22kb/s, 00:49:26 est. minutes remaining btw Mar 18 02:25:41 43% Mar 18 02:26:14 yay! Mar 18 02:26:16 im back Mar 18 02:27:06 44% :) Mar 18 02:27:16 45% Mar 18 02:27:26 I think ill use pidgin+xchat on ubuntu, pidgin for gtalk/aim, and xchat for irc Mar 18 02:29:11 ok my nit's kernel is flashed, no im waiting for ubuntu :D Mar 18 02:29:46 :) Mar 18 02:30:26 so far soo good :) Mar 18 02:31:32 yup 50% Mar 18 02:32:16 b-man how big is the ubuntu_9.04_n8x0-2.2_rootfs.tgz file? I see its @ 38Mb so far Mar 18 02:32:54 YAY! Mar 18 02:33:01 I can't wait ! Mar 18 02:33:21 lol Mar 18 02:33:32 52% Mar 18 02:34:09 pinback: somewhere between 100-150 mb - i'm guessing Mar 18 02:34:28 40Mb now - seems to be speeding up Mar 18 02:34:50 :) Mar 18 02:34:51 100% (122496 of 122496 kB, avg. 7289 kB/s) Mar 18 02:34:51 Finishing flashing... done Mar 18 02:34:51 root@xs1:/dv/nit/flashing# Mar 18 02:34:59 * pinback is formatting his ext3 partition in anticipation Mar 18 02:35:23 Flashed my nit to factory image Mar 18 02:35:37 I recon I can start wgetting it soon then wget -c when/if it gets bigger Mar 18 02:36:12 It's bugging me with the operator wizard Mar 18 02:36:13 ok back to American idol for a bit... Mar 18 02:36:27 42Mb... Mar 18 02:36:33 lol Mar 18 02:36:48 where is it! Mar 18 02:37:45 57% Mar 18 02:38:17 Ice_Fox: How should my sd be partitioned? 2GB,Fat32 and 6GB, ext3? Mar 18 02:38:22 re: 58% Mar 18 02:38:44 shure Mar 18 02:39:31 ok so then extract the tarball to ext3 then what? Mar 18 02:39:48 60% Mar 18 02:40:46 run apt-get install sys-env-x and then install your desktop env Mar 18 02:41:41 so boot it and then run the apt-get cmd Mar 18 02:41:56 Ice_Fox: where are you uploading to? Mar 18 02:42:44 http://www.bman.maemobox.org/projects/ubuntu-n8x0/rootstrap Mar 18 02:43:41 64% Mar 18 02:44:55 how do I merge partitions in gparted? *confused* Mar 18 02:46:01 51Mb... Mar 18 02:46:11 Ice_Fox: how much swap do I need? Mar 18 02:47:02 52MB Mar 18 02:47:21 258-365mb if your using a heavy desktop env like kde or gnome Mar 18 02:47:59 70% Mar 18 02:48:10 * pinback has started downloading Mar 18 02:48:23 so Is 1GB enough for the system to run gnome and ubuntu fast :D Mar 18 02:48:31 400Kb/sec yay! Mar 18 02:48:40 %#MB Mar 18 02:48:47 i mean 53MB Mar 18 02:49:02 pinback: what isp do you have? Mar 18 02:49:40 pinback: that slows down the upload Mar 18 02:50:37 crap! I screwed up my sd, now I have to create a new partition table, (The Disadvantages of having an 8GB SD) Mar 18 02:51:54 * Ice_Fox gets interupted by parents XP Mar 18 02:52:02 i'll be back Mar 18 02:53:08 * xnt 's Parents are telling him to go to sleep XP Mar 18 02:53:24 57MB Mar 18 02:57:18 still 57MB, I hope b-man's parents didn't pull the plug on b-man's computer :( Mar 18 02:57:50 or maybe its done :) **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Mar 18 02:59:56 2009