**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Mar 18 02:59:57 2009 Mar 18 03:00:23 formating 5.41GB ext3 partition takes a long time Mar 18 03:03:05 2.7MBPS downloading to see if its done yet Mar 18 03:03:38 not done yet :( got an EOF Mar 18 03:03:48 lets hope it will soon Mar 18 03:04:45 pinback: did you stop the wget? Mar 18 03:05:50 back now... sup? Mar 18 03:06:04 57Mb is that it? Mar 18 03:06:06 yea, did you stop the wget Mar 18 03:06:14 its stopped @ 55Mb Mar 18 03:06:17 no, I just dled it Mar 18 03:06:31 and I got an EOF when I tried to extract it Mar 18 03:06:41 I'll restart the wget to getthe rest Mar 18 03:06:50 but I got 2.7MBPS Mar 18 03:06:54 don't Mar 18 03:07:02 ? Mar 18 03:07:32 b-man said that if you dl it while its uploading it slows down the upload Mar 18 03:07:50 it seems to have stopped @ 57Mb tho Mar 18 03:08:11 but I got a fast connection and it downloaded in a few seconds, fios 5up/20down :D Mar 18 03:08:21 right now its at 57mb Mar 18 03:08:34 I got about 5secs of dling left Mar 18 03:08:40 what isp do you have? Mar 18 03:08:50 optimum basic Mar 18 03:08:55 lol Mar 18 03:09:01 works fine for most stuff Mar 18 03:09:25 I use my neighbors wireless for any big downloads or torrents Mar 18 03:09:53 yea, but optimum screwed me , they gave me phone, tv and internet, when I just ordered internet. :( Mar 18 03:11:01 now I have fios, but the router they give you sucks, I switched it for a modded linksys TM when the fios guy left :) Mar 18 03:11:38 I have an old WRT54G flashed with DD-WRT that I use as a repeater bridge for far away wifi points Mar 18 03:11:47 their router limits you to 3mbps, the router has powerful hardware, but I don't like the cap Mar 18 03:12:07 WRT54TM is a WRT54GL with 32MB flash Mar 18 03:12:46 Its still stuck @57Mb Mar 18 03:12:54 I can flash anything to it, but you need jtag to flash it, t-mobile's fw check the md5 of fw files Mar 18 03:13:01 wait Mar 18 03:13:03 why are uploads so slow? Mar 18 03:13:27 I don't know, but b-man got interupted by his parents XP Mar 18 03:14:01 ok im getting bored Mar 18 03:14:12 kill the wget Mar 18 03:14:26 it makes the upload slower Mar 18 03:14:31 Im not running wget right now Mar 18 03:14:35 oh ok Mar 18 03:14:36 lol Mar 18 03:15:01 well I hope b-man's parents didn't pull the plug on his computer Mar 18 03:16:12 doesnt he have other computers? I must have at least half a dozen Mar 18 03:16:43 Well I have an XPS 600 and a dreamhost account Mar 18 03:17:44 Nice - I cant do web stuff because of job restrictions Mar 18 03:17:56 go to http://xceleo.com/setup.html and yes I know that it looks bad on resolutions lower than 1600x1200, I wrote that site at 2AM Mar 18 03:18:43 Im on 1920x1200 :-) Mar 18 03:19:01 and My next update to my site will include fix for screen, NIT Section, And update to contact info Mar 18 03:19:04 lol Mar 18 03:19:12 im on 1600x1200 Mar 18 03:19:14 brb Mar 18 03:23:17 still 57MB :( Mar 18 03:24:52 damn, b-man isn't back Mar 18 03:27:11 * pinback only has 15mins before sleep time Mar 18 03:27:30 Im Supposed to be asleep at 10:00 Mar 18 03:27:47 I keep telling people that as well Mar 18 03:29:24 Now I have to shutoff my XPS, and go to sleep at 11:30 Mar 18 03:29:29 :( Mar 18 03:29:31 hey folks Mar 18 03:29:41 jaem: hello Mar 18 03:29:53 I may put my wget in a loop :-) Mar 18 03:30:04 I just posted some N810 accessories for trade on itT, if anyone's interested Mar 18 03:30:38 mostly brand new - I got a new N810, and don't need doubles of everything, and also have no expendable income Mar 18 03:30:43 thus, trading sounds good Mar 18 03:30:44 lol Mar 18 03:30:57 jaem: b-man was uploading the ubuntu-n8x0 2.2 tarball, but he got interupted by his parents :(, now its stuck at 57MB Mar 18 03:31:02 link? Mar 18 03:31:07 aw man Mar 18 03:31:19 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=272536#post272536 Mar 18 03:31:23 thanks Mar 18 03:31:34 The agents are probably raiding his house right now Mar 18 03:31:47 as I said, it comes down to "I have it but I don't need it" and "I want it but I can't afford it", hopefully coinciding Mar 18 03:31:53 ...I said that wrong Mar 18 03:31:55 Firefox is slow with 1000 Tabs :( Mar 18 03:32:02 I hope you are joking Mar 18 03:32:13 I think I saw a black cat earlier Mar 18 03:32:38 and my Ubuntu ext3 partition on my n800 mysteriously wouldnt boot Mar 18 03:32:41 pinback: don't worry - I set your colour depth to 1b earlier, so it's quite likely harmless Mar 18 03:33:24 I'm going offline, so if anyone's interested in the accessories, PM me as per the posting Mar 18 03:33:26 cheers Mar 18 03:33:31 I have a DIY OTG Kit (I made it my self :)) Mar 18 03:33:36 true true - dont worry all is good, please continue to borrow and consume Mar 18 03:33:54 xnt: I thought about doing that Mar 18 03:34:06 I made one as well - was pretty easy Mar 18 03:34:43 jaem: its easy, I just took the usb dual connector for a motherboard and soldered the pins together. Mar 18 03:34:53 got a mini-A to female-A and hacksawed the end - took about 30secs Mar 18 03:35:32 lol, Mine toook 23 Seconds Mar 18 03:35:45 probably the FioS Mar 18 03:36:09 ??? Im talking about the DIY USB OTG Adapter Mar 18 03:36:39 I know - getting sleepy now Mar 18 03:36:53 * pinback keels over and begins to snore Mar 18 03:37:03 nite all - back when I get my rootfs Mar 18 03:37:15 thx for the help xnt Mar 18 03:37:48 well I have to go to sleep :(, I get up at 5AM, hopefully it would be up :), nite :) Mar 18 05:22:02 hello Mar 18 05:22:04 anyone around? Mar 18 05:22:10 got a problem with an n810 Mar 18 05:25:29 hallo Mar 18 05:25:54 ok Mar 18 05:26:03 so my biggest problem is this constant reboot loop Mar 18 05:26:11 it never boots successfully Mar 18 05:26:16 maybe 5% of the time Mar 18 05:26:24 normally it just goes into a boot loop where it crashes halfway through bootup Mar 18 05:26:27 and reboots again Mar 18 05:26:31 over and over Mar 18 05:26:48 i've tried flashing the firmware (tried multiple versions as well) Mar 18 05:26:48 what applications did you install since the last time it was able to boot successfully? Mar 18 05:26:54 ah, nevermind Mar 18 05:26:59 yeah, exactly Mar 18 05:27:11 and /var/log is empty so i can't trace the error cause in the way i normally would Mar 18 05:27:12 and the firmware flashed successfully? Mar 18 05:27:15 yeah Mar 18 05:27:31 if you flashed it and it has problems still it's de facto a hardware problem Mar 18 05:27:36 is it under warranty? Mar 18 05:27:37 that's what i'm thinking Mar 18 05:27:49 well, actually i got it from amazon -- wimax edition Mar 18 05:27:55 guy sold as new but sent it as used Mar 18 05:28:02 ah, very rare :) Mar 18 05:28:03 it already had custom repositories and there was handwriting in the manual Mar 18 05:28:10 so i'm sure it's been bricked Mar 18 05:28:17 he's sending me another one he claims is sealed Mar 18 05:28:25 just wanted to see if i could fix this one Mar 18 05:29:34 does maemo keep logs somewhere? Mar 18 05:29:37 like where's the syslog file? Mar 18 05:29:44 cause i can get it to boot ONCE IN A WHILE Mar 18 05:29:48 and i'd love to be able to read logs Mar 18 05:29:50 and find out wtf is going on Mar 18 05:35:58 can i enable logging on this thing somehow? Mar 18 05:37:17 spectre: yes Mar 18 05:37:22 how!? :D Mar 18 05:37:41 dunno, don't use xchat Mar 18 05:37:47 not xchat Mar 18 05:37:50 maemo on my n810 Mar 18 05:37:56 o Mar 18 05:38:04 let me know if you find out Mar 18 05:38:05 :P Mar 18 05:42:09 http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http://www.shanzhaiji.cn/labs/20081219/6564.html&sl=zh-CN&tl=en&history_state0= Mar 18 05:42:11 :O Mar 18 05:43:48 lol Mar 18 05:43:50 direct ripoff Mar 18 05:43:51 <3 china Mar 18 05:44:12 spectre: except it's a phone too? Mar 18 05:44:24 and has more controls from the looks of it Mar 18 05:44:32 THat's so awesome about the "ripoffs", they have better specs than the original Mar 18 05:44:42 s/al/als/ Mar 18 05:44:42 ShadowJK meant: THat's so awesome about the "ripoffs", they have better specs than the originals Mar 18 05:44:42 yeah Mar 18 05:45:05 i bought a phone in china for $200 like 4 years ago that had a touch-screen and handwriting recognition Mar 18 05:45:16 when shit like that here in the US was $$$$$$$$$$$$$$ Mar 18 05:45:35 and brandy new Mar 18 05:45:46 some generic brand but it worked great Mar 18 05:47:00 hum Mar 18 05:47:13 wonder if I could get more $ for my N810 than I paid for it Mar 18 05:47:15 XD Mar 18 05:47:23 is it the wimax? Mar 18 05:47:26 no Mar 18 05:47:29 ah Mar 18 05:47:34 but I paid under $200 Mar 18 05:47:38 ah that's a good deal Mar 18 05:47:49 i'm pissed -- i hope this guy doesn't send me another refurbd wimax Mar 18 05:47:56 i really don't want to have to buy the normal one Mar 18 05:48:05 does he make you return the first one? Mar 18 05:48:12 yeah i'm shipping it back tomorrow morning Mar 18 05:48:18 aw Mar 18 07:23:10 oh Mar 18 07:23:16 i have a request for the n900 Mar 18 07:23:20 SDXC!!!! Mar 18 07:23:26 thank you, that is all Mar 18 07:23:36 anything but microsd.. i guess Mar 18 07:23:50 it can be microsd as long as it's microSDXC!! Mar 18 07:23:51 ^_^ Mar 18 07:24:13 tho ya. i'd prefer full size SD Mar 18 07:24:21 and two of them Mar 18 07:24:26 AND a hardware keyboard Mar 18 07:24:29 ^_^ Mar 18 07:24:45 oh, and no gps, accelerometer and working 3d (drivers!) this time =) Mar 18 07:26:06 Mousey: yup, two SD slots 4tw. That's one of the reasons I prefer N800 to N810 Mar 18 07:26:24 yes yes, i gladly sacrificed that for a hardware keyboard Mar 18 07:26:30 * Mousey is having deja vu Mar 18 07:26:37 i'm having this EXACT conversation in another window Mar 18 07:27:07 hehe. Mar 18 07:31:26 what do you guyz think? looks legit Mar 18 07:31:27 http://tinyurl.com/cltpcn Mar 18 07:33:43 For $80 dollars...i'd buy a spare normal battery Mar 18 07:33:49 or 4 Mar 18 07:34:00 morning neatojones Mar 18 07:34:05 neatojones: you officially use the builder more than me :> Mar 18 07:34:23 ha... Mar 18 07:34:32 It's driving me crazy. Mar 18 07:34:49 Don't worry, I'm sure you'll get the chance to pass me up soon. :) Mar 18 07:35:59 if i had an external charger, i'd just get a regular spare battery Mar 18 07:37:09 morning meiz Mar 18 07:37:34 Stskeeps: Can you feed some caffeine to whatever is doing the native build of my package? It's killing me. Mar 18 07:38:21 morning Sts Mar 18 07:38:28 :) Mar 18 07:38:48 neatojones: e17 doesn't build natively? Mar 18 07:38:53 er, accelerated Mar 18 07:39:13 No, everytime it runs into problems with cpp somewhere Mar 18 07:39:19 alright Mar 18 07:39:26 hehe Mar 18 07:39:41 this is about the 5th or so time, I've tried it. It does native fine. Mar 18 07:39:45 neatojones: it looks like it's going to finish soon though Mar 18 07:39:45 but, takes like 5 hours. Mar 18 07:39:50 yeah.. Mar 18 07:40:00 it's a qemu instance Mar 18 07:40:07 my beagleboard eats the SD cards. Mar 18 07:40:16 I'm just waitin on it to test e17. Hopefully, I've finally fixed the major bugs Mar 18 07:40:37 I'm also waiting on it to build a package with all of the major modules that make e17 fun to play with. Mar 18 07:40:38 i'm going to set a 20 minute timer and then i'll use it to build a internal 0.10 image Mar 18 07:41:05 should be done then Mar 18 07:41:10 any other stuff in queue for native? Mar 18 07:41:13 nope Mar 18 07:41:26 * neatojones crosses fingers that he won't have to use it again. Mar 18 07:41:28 hehe Mar 18 07:41:43 I can wait on the extra modules anyway Mar 18 07:41:56 just want to know all my work isn't in vain on the e17 build Mar 18 07:42:25 the right files got installed on my virtualbox, but i somehow botched the install. So, I have to start it over from scratch. Mar 18 07:43:14 Something between updating the kernel and additionalmodules package screwed up the xserver. Mar 18 07:43:39 neatojones, do not trust emulators :P they break in most mysterious ways Mar 18 07:43:57 I don't know much about virtualbox Mar 18 07:44:06 I know. but qemu breaks even easier Mar 18 07:44:45 ...i guess that's an emulator. Mar 18 07:44:47 doh Mar 18 07:46:10 Stskeeps: Does the builder cache and wait to build anyway? Mar 18 07:46:54 it does queue, yes Mar 18 07:47:30 so if you add a bunch of packages in right order it queues them Mar 18 07:48:31 ok. Mar 18 07:48:58 I noticed when I try to upload packages while it's building another, it once in a while crashes a build. Mar 18 07:49:10 yeah, there's a race condition there :/ Mar 18 07:57:10 ~date Mar 18 07:57:11 It is now 2009.03.18 7:57:11 GMT Mar 18 07:57:53 ~date with sexy chick Mar 18 07:57:54 you date with sexy chick Mar 18 08:25:58 where can i find valgrind for diablo? Mar 18 08:32:06 Passeli_, from the repo Mar 18 08:32:36 Passeli_, the repo being deb http://repository.maemo.org/ diablo/tools free Mar 18 08:32:39 x86-only though Mar 18 08:32:44 Yup Mar 18 08:32:47 sadly Mar 18 08:33:13 I would do ppc too, but is no help for us Mar 18 08:33:58 yeah but i need to find armel version Mar 18 08:34:18 Passeli, then you'll need to code one Mar 18 08:34:19 Passeli_: doesn't exist, it doesn't build on armel Mar 18 08:34:34 Valgrind only supports x86, amd64 and ppc Mar 18 08:34:48 that said, armel would be truely awesome :P Mar 18 08:35:07 ok, no wonder that i did not find it Mar 18 08:36:26 neatojones: pause builds for a sec, i'm cleaning out source trees Mar 18 08:36:37 sure Mar 18 08:37:09 when a build fails it leaves the chroot for diagnosis so Mar 18 08:38:40 k, go ahea Mar 18 08:38:40 d Mar 18 08:38:48 It looks like I need to redo that last one anyway. Mar 18 08:40:07 I'm probably gonna be done for a while. I need sleep. Mar 18 08:40:14 later. Mar 18 08:40:44 cya Mar 18 09:16:25 I have a python app that runs on an N800.. it uses python's sqlite for a datastore Mar 18 09:16:43 I am getting response times of 2-3 sec on a request Mar 18 09:17:18 people talk about running open office other stuff.. but here is a small app.. that is pretty slow Mar 18 09:17:27 the response is served via http Mar 18 09:44:40 Can you access the internal memory card in the n810 via USB? Mar 18 09:45:04 hello cruel world Mar 18 09:45:10 Thinking about how to repartition to have the entire thing as JFFS2. Mar 18 09:45:13 rmt: sure, as long as it isn't in use Mar 18 09:45:16 Hello cruel timeless. Mar 18 09:45:36 both mmc1 and mmc2 are exposed by default over usb Mar 18 09:45:56 so, i visited http://maemo.org/ and ... Mar 18 09:46:14 it seems odd to me that there isn't a prominent item about the election on that page Mar 18 09:46:18 Okay.. can you enlarge the jffs2 "partition" .. (I really need to learn exactly how jffs2 works) .. and figure out the maemo boot process and what's actually where.. Mar 18 09:46:35 can someone please explain in plain English why there shouldn't be a prominent link to the election on that page Mar 18 09:46:50 if you mean the default root partition Mar 18 09:46:52 timeless: Not I. Mar 18 09:46:54 Yes. Mar 18 09:46:55 it's on an unrelated piece of hardware Mar 18 09:47:10 Really? Okay, so 256mb is it for the root. Mar 18 09:47:17 and it uses all the space available Mar 18 09:47:31 rmt: yep Mar 18 09:47:40 better written 'rootfs' Mar 18 09:47:44 I saw some comment where it sounded like they enlarged it. Mar 18 09:47:45 not to be confused w/ the user 'root' Mar 18 09:47:54 okay, rootfs is a filesystem? Mar 18 09:47:56 which gets a tiny reservation Mar 18 09:48:10 you can boot from an mmc Mar 18 09:48:22 and most people who expect to run out of space on their rootfs should do that Mar 18 09:48:43 rmt: internal SD card cannot have jffs Mar 18 09:48:52 Was going to mount the mmc as /usr and have /usr/home as a quick fix.. Mar 18 09:49:05 Stskeeps, thanks. ext3 it is, then. Mar 18 09:49:34 rather, there's no real reason to use jffs on something other than the internal flash Mar 18 09:49:47 jffs2 is designed to do wear-leveling and certain other things Mar 18 09:50:08 which are not necessary for normal media (the media do it themselves) Mar 18 09:50:10 * Stskeeps is personally looking forward to ubifs. Mar 18 09:50:21 backport, please :) Mar 18 09:50:33 we might Mar 18 09:50:58 think we're going to start putting out a mer kernel really - there's some really interesting patches now: RDNIS working, rotation, etc Mar 18 09:51:21 i would love to have my tablet network properly with my xp like my 770 does :P Mar 18 09:51:34 how's sound going? Mar 18 09:51:47 dependent on DSP tasks (afaik) Mar 18 09:51:58 i honestly haven't investigated it yet Mar 18 09:52:32 * timeless grumbles Mar 18 09:52:38 * timeless really doesn't like the way the vote was organized Mar 18 09:53:27 gah Mar 18 09:53:32 incumbants aren't tagged? Mar 18 09:54:41 * timeless sighs Mar 18 09:54:49 such a terrible page layout Mar 18 09:55:08 dear god, there's coming a macgyver movie Mar 18 09:55:30 http://wiki.maemo.org/maemo.org_wiki:Current_events Mar 18 09:55:34 doesn't exist Mar 18 09:55:43 Sts, is it going to have RDA? Mar 18 09:56:09 Well, I think everything's a lot clearer now. :-) Mar 18 09:56:10 inz: no clue, but that would be neat :P Mar 18 09:57:46 Sts, MacGyver is nothing without RDA and the mullet Mar 18 09:58:13 * timeless curses Mar 18 09:58:22 the lack of anchor higlight doesn't help Mar 18 10:03:05 nothing a little chewing gum and a paperclip cant fix Mar 18 10:09:51 Stskeeps, Is there any reason why I would want to keep the vfat filesystem on the internal sd card? Mar 18 10:10:49 make a 50mb fat partition, and rest ext3 Mar 18 10:10:55 and there's maps on the internal sd card, so back them up Mar 18 10:10:59 Done Mar 18 10:11:09 Why the fat partition? Mar 18 10:11:16 keeps maemo from bitching Mar 18 10:11:17 :P Mar 18 10:11:21 Okay. :) Mar 18 10:11:25 also it's handy once in a while Mar 18 10:12:44 timeless: Incumbents are Ryan, Tim and me. Agree with all of your comments above, BTW Mar 18 10:34:32 thanks Mar 18 10:34:36 i eventually figured it out Mar 18 10:34:41 but totally lame Mar 18 10:35:18 i suppose i should file bugs Mar 18 10:35:39 So, where is the kernel located on the N810? Some hidden place, only accessible by the flasher? Mar 18 10:37:45 rmt, on a different partition of the NAND flash Mar 18 10:38:23 Okey. onyl accessible by the flasher then, I guess. :) Mar 18 10:38:46 should be able to dd it from /dev/mtdblockN where N is the right number ;) Mar 18 10:38:53 you want to write it or read it? Mar 18 10:39:27 Atm I'm just curious. :) It's dd'd directly there, then? Mar 18 10:40:07 And of course, when booting from the sd card, where the kernel is then.. (of course I'm probably just a screenful away from that on this wiki page) Mar 18 10:40:08 <_berto_> rmt: flasher --unpack Mar 18 10:40:12 * timeless grumbles Mar 18 10:40:13 jaffa? Mar 18 10:40:25 is there any reason someone couldn't run a test election for me? Mar 18 10:41:13 rmt, honestly I don't know if you could successfully dd it, but you could use the onboard flasher or the PC flasher Mar 18 10:41:27 morning johnx Mar 18 10:41:38 morning Mar 18 10:41:38 rmt: kernel is in flash, always Mar 18 10:42:01 * johnx plans how best to live out of a suitcase for the next two weeks Mar 18 10:42:47 tablet, charger, toothbrush, shirts and underwear, and toothpaste. Mar 18 10:42:47 :P Mar 18 10:43:13 and just throw away the rest of my clothes? :P Mar 18 10:43:24 hehe Mar 18 10:43:38 Stskeeps, socks! always have a clean pair of socks! Mar 18 10:43:50 yes, socks, forgot that part Mar 18 10:44:06 ah, well that changes everything :P Mar 18 10:44:36 * rmt notices that socks tend to take up a disproportional amount of space in any travel bag.. summer's nice.. no socks necessary! :) Mar 18 10:45:29 johnx, also, don't forget plane/train tickets and passport (even if you're staying within the country, you never know when you'll need to flee) Mar 18 10:49:30 i have written very simple programs in c++ using g++ and linux. I would like to transfer these programs to a Nokia smartphone. my question: 1. which Nokia series works with linux? 2. how can I transfer my g++ program to the smartphone? Mar 18 10:49:36 timeless: Dunno, dneary's the one to ask. It could confuse if it shows up on the front page Mar 18 10:50:34 sphenxes, tried scratchbox already? Mar 18 10:50:35 you have to package your app as for debian Mar 18 10:50:44 then build the package in scratchbox Mar 18 10:51:08 Astrom, no i have not tried scratchbox Mar 18 10:51:09 that's the best way Mar 18 10:51:26 AStorm, thanks Mar 18 10:52:54 Hi there Mar 18 10:52:58 Someone called? Mar 18 10:53:30 timeless, Jaffa: Yes? Mar 18 10:55:25 dneary: timeless asking about test elections Mar 18 10:55:55 timeless: How can I be of service? Mar 18 10:57:50 morning chaps Mar 18 10:57:52 grr, still no pidging 2.5.5 :( Mar 18 10:58:17 -g Mar 18 10:59:59 grr, bloody windows, reboot time Mar 18 11:07:12 Hmm.. are there any motion unlock type apps for maemo? Like for android's lock screen? Mar 18 11:07:59 "motion" unlock? you mean that rely on an accelerometer? Mar 18 11:08:04 I'd like to have some applications be partially secured, but not bother with real security (of course, it could be used for weak encryption) Mar 18 11:08:05 No Mar 18 11:08:10 I mean like drawing a figure on the screen Mar 18 11:08:20 ah, not that I know of Mar 18 11:08:27 rmt: there's an app which locks the screen if the light sensor gets covered... oh Mar 18 11:08:37 Android has a 9x9 setup, you go to each of them in a particular order and it unlocks. Mar 18 11:08:46 and one that unlocks when the keyboard is pulled out (IIRC) Mar 18 11:08:53 This sounds like a fun app, then. :-) Mar 18 11:09:03 * johnx has an N800 though Mar 18 11:10:18 Two images and some screen coordinates.. the app can return true or false on the cmdline. :) Mar 18 11:12:02 rmt, do not give the users a simulated security experience, if you are gonna do it make sure it can actually lock the screen and not unlock until re-entered. i dont think linux has a "gine.dll" equiv thou Mar 18 11:12:25 bad security is worse than no security Mar 18 11:12:42 rmt: you can probably hack something up with powerlaunch.. Mar 18 11:12:52 lcuk: it's pretty easy on Maemo to open a window which the user can't get behind Mar 18 11:13:26 jaffa, i can draw on the screenith it locked in liqbase. the xsp library does not honour x11.. Mar 18 11:13:54 lcuk, I'm thinking of it as a simple frontend to personal menu .. but it could probably work as a general purpose locking app too. Mar 18 11:14:00 freaked me out the first time i tried it :D Mar 18 11:14:03 But powerlaunch looks interesting. Mar 18 11:14:37 rmt: if you can come up with a better event-based language than powerlaunch, you're more than welcome Mar 18 11:14:43 it's brillaint but the syntax is rotten Mar 18 11:14:43 yeah rmt, we *do* need something, (i dconsidered it a while ago) but it does need to actually lockup Mar 18 11:14:43 :P Mar 18 11:14:59 Stskeeps, :-) Mar 18 11:15:13 Stskeeps, c has just as crappy syntax ;) Mar 18 11:15:55 * lcuk was gonna do fingerprint detection on the touchscreen Mar 18 11:24:44 timeless: Just reading your bugs Mar 18 11:24:52 Interesting to get your take on the election process Mar 18 11:25:02 (it differs from my Irish experiences, by the way) Mar 18 11:25:18 lcuk: ): Unexpected token on line 1 Mar 18 11:31:50 ? Mar 18 11:33:28 dneary, which token/app? Mar 18 11:40:13 morning Mar 18 11:40:44 sorry damn, my irc clients screwing up :( Mar 18 11:42:27 jaem: hi Mar 18 11:42:33 hey! Mar 18 11:42:55 b-mans tarball is only at 70MB now :( Mar 18 11:42:58 I couldn't sleep... good thing my N810 is literally always within arm's reach Mar 18 11:43:01 ouch Mar 18 11:43:02 still got an eof Mar 18 11:43:32 Stskeeps: ping! Mar 18 11:43:32 I think b-mans router/gftp crasher Mar 18 11:43:38 I mean crashed Mar 18 11:43:44 jaem_N810: pong Mar 18 11:44:28 any chance HAM in Mer is going to let me mark multiple apps for installation at once? Mar 18 11:44:38 that's my biggest annoyance Mar 18 11:44:56 no clue, we're going to upgrade it to fremantle basis soon Mar 18 11:45:17 Stskeeps: its going to be in 0.11? Mar 18 11:45:33 dunno, maybe Mar 18 11:45:38 depends if anyone does anything about it :) Mar 18 11:45:47 :) Mar 18 11:45:59 http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Documentation/Common_Packages Mar 18 11:46:03 the red ones need some loving Mar 18 11:46:18 ok Im still bored, Im going to install the Fremantle SDK :) Mar 18 11:46:19 The maemovmware image contains the SB2 based setup? Mar 18 11:46:39 * xnt is clicking the link :) Mar 18 11:47:20 damn, those are a lot of packages Mar 18 11:48:18 every single of those we have adapted Mar 18 11:48:21 in hand Mar 18 11:49:22 dNeary.. :) Mar 18 11:49:37 Sorry, i got distracted Mar 18 11:49:41 Gah Mar 18 11:49:45 He left Mar 18 11:49:52 jaem_N810: at least adept lets you install more than one apps at once :) Mar 18 11:50:09 but adept is slOwWW Mar 18 11:50:21 bleh @ adept Mar 18 11:50:27 Shaman's where it's at Mar 18 11:50:31 yay Arch Mar 18 11:50:57 * jaem_N810 stopped being a fan of apt after he tried pacman Mar 18 11:51:50 xnt: ideally all packages should be blue, green or lime :P Mar 18 11:52:06 cOlor coded? Mar 18 11:52:21 Stskeeps: Well how hard is it to adapt those packages? Mar 18 11:52:32 xnt: fairly easy, but it takes about 20 minutes per package Mar 18 11:52:40 at least Mar 18 11:53:06 timelE61i: meaning sharing same version root with female, same package version or ahead of fremantle SDK Mar 18 11:53:13 female=fremantle.. Mar 18 11:53:13 :P Mar 18 11:53:17 * timelE61i pokes jeremiah Mar 18 11:53:26 okay - if I can get a decent wifi signal at the other campus, I'll try to do some between classes, Sts Mar 18 11:53:37 jaem_N810: alright, just prod me anytime Mar 18 11:53:41 sure Mar 18 11:53:52 xnt: http://internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=27241&page=4 pretty much explains it Mar 18 11:54:08 Stskeeps: well im in the 8th grade, So I have lots of free time after I finish my Homework, I Can help you adapt packages :) Mar 18 11:54:14 hehe Mar 18 11:54:26 it's also completely boring work, a hint of autism helps. :P Mar 18 11:54:36 (i know from myself.) Mar 18 11:54:49 I'll probably be installing the SDK in a VM on my friend's server Mar 18 11:55:10 and uni wifi stinks at the other campus Mar 18 11:55:16 so we'll see how it goes Mar 18 11:55:17 jaem_N810: mm, you can basically do this on a ubuntu box really, building problems we'll take care of when it is patched Mar 18 11:55:35 I don't have an *buntu box atm Mar 18 11:55:37 ah Mar 18 11:55:51 I run Arch on all three, currently Mar 18 11:56:22 jaem_N810: We don't have wifi at my school :( Mar 18 11:56:24 well, except for the SPARCStation and the old 4MHz Epson laptop :P Mar 18 11:56:57 xnt, they you should get a data plan... too expensive? ;P Mar 18 11:57:25 Stskeeps: will the SDK work on CP/M? XD Mar 18 11:57:43 or Solaris? Mar 18 11:57:49 hehe Mar 18 11:58:09 jaem_N810: doubt it, anyway, we don't really have a sdk, but we have a root fs you can chroot into really Mar 18 11:58:24 I may need to get higher capacity tapes for my laptop Mar 18 11:58:45 AStorm: well my parents won't let me get a plan based service, Im stuck to Prepaid, until im 18, then I have to pay of it myself, but Next Year, Ill sneak a fon router into school :) Mar 18 11:59:00 man... compiling on a 4MHz Z80 will be a drag :P Mar 18 11:59:10 xnt: trust me, prepaid is a good thing until you gain financial responsibility and sense Mar 18 11:59:14 jaem_N810:P Mar 18 11:59:16 * Stskeeps ran up a huge bill. Mar 18 11:59:40 stskeeps:ok Mar 18 11:59:56 Stskeeps, even better is flatrate Mar 18 12:00:11 AStorm: we got flatrate ISDN as some of the first in the country cos of the too big usage.. Mar 18 12:00:13 * xnt wants a t-mobile prepaid flexpay plan to tether with his n810) Mar 18 12:00:26 like prepaid, but less hassle - of course you need stable income Mar 18 12:00:26 xnt: alternatively, if you wanted to be a complete jerk (and break the law), you could find someone with a "compatible" phone, and run up a huge bill on that Mar 18 12:00:30 and was first adaptors to adsl as well :P Mar 18 12:00:31 and/or enough buffer Mar 18 12:00:34 but that would just be bad Mar 18 12:00:52 lol Mar 18 12:01:08 xnt: beware of fon router at school, IT departments are notoriously horrible with claiming students are "hacking" .. Mar 18 12:01:19 jaem_N810: lol Mar 18 12:01:30 that's true - I've heard horror stories Mar 18 12:01:45 yeah Mar 18 12:01:52 my IT dept was one guy, and he knew what "hacking" actually means Mar 18 12:01:55 people are stupid - e.g. don't enable secure bluetooth Mar 18 12:01:55 Stskeeps: My tech teacher lets up play games/etc at lunch, so I can put it in his room :) Mar 18 12:01:56 so he was cool Mar 18 12:02:02 (ask before accepting) Mar 18 12:02:27 xnt: yeah, but FON is technically also a commercial venture (bill type), so you can get in even bigger shitstorm Mar 18 12:02:29 still, abusing network connection might be not good anyway Mar 18 12:02:56 I recommend just asking them to set up wifi in a bunch of places Mar 18 12:02:59 Stskeeps:well Ill mod the fon with openwrt :) Mar 18 12:03:00 AStorm, well, the trouble is more the ones that are *supposed* to ask, but don't - the "compatible" ones I was referring to Mar 18 12:03:02 our did it in a few Mar 18 12:03:26 gets quite good coverage Mar 18 12:03:30 *got Mar 18 12:03:56 xnt: if you're getting a Fon anyway, you could always offer to pay for an AP or two for them Mar 18 12:03:56 bonus points for that wifi being WPA2-PSK Mar 18 12:04:01 um what Mar 18 12:04:13 jaem_N810, you broke the topic Mar 18 12:04:15 xnt: and then there's the whole issue that the MAC of fonera being trackable back to you :) Mar 18 12:04:55 * Stskeeps yawns and looks at some article Mar 18 12:04:55 s Mar 18 12:05:02 AStorm: the input glitched for a second, and I must have mistyped in the intervening time Mar 18 12:05:03 sorry Mar 18 12:05:54 Stskeeps ok, how about a linux livecd that looks like windows, and a usb wifi card in Master mode :) Mar 18 12:06:07 what is the command for that? looking at my history, I'm not quite sure what I did Mar 18 12:06:16 jaem_N810: probably clicking the topic field Mar 18 12:06:17 xnt, do you need a pony as well? Mar 18 12:06:19 xnt, short range Mar 18 12:06:34 lcuk: if it helps boost the signal Mar 18 12:06:35 lcuck: lol, no Mar 18 12:06:37 the cards get hundred meters at best Mar 18 12:06:48 even good access points don't go above that Mar 18 12:06:57 * jaem_N810 slaps wlan cards in every third box Mar 18 12:07:20 I suspect if you went and funded them a few access points and outlined the cabling, they'd bite ;P Mar 18 12:07:21 well the pony wouldnt be much use, but you could use the metal can it comes in as a waveguide i suppose :P Mar 18 12:07:42 no, you can't Mar 18 12:07:51 Stskeeps: ah. as I said, the input went crazy for a second - I'll blame it on Maemo Mar 18 12:08:00 and how do you know, have you got a wifi pony? Mar 18 12:08:04 you'd need an actual parabolic antenna Mar 18 12:08:14 All I want is Internet on my NIT at school. Mar 18 12:08:19 yeah cos a pringles can is a parabolic Mar 18 12:08:33 lcuk, isn't and doesn't work well with microwaves Mar 18 12:08:33 * xnt pokes the pony, then runs Mar 18 12:08:35 * RST38h yawns Mar 18 12:08:41 it'd destroy the range Mar 18 12:08:44 ;P Mar 18 12:08:48 EHLO, AStorm,lcuk,jaem Mar 18 12:08:53 http://www.google.com/search?q=wifi+pony Mar 18 12:08:56 RST38h, 200 OK Mar 18 12:09:00 cool! i didnt know our nokias supported microwave Mar 18 12:09:01 RST38h: hello Mar 18 12:09:09 hey RST38h Mar 18 12:09:32 lcuk: yes, but they're a bit underpowered for pizza pockets Mar 18 12:09:36 ;) Mar 18 12:10:07 i always thought they missed a trick my not using a desktop cpu in the n810. you could use the slideout keyboard as a griddle for bacon Mar 18 12:10:10 lcuk, OTOH, a plate covered with aluminum foil worked very well ;P (smooth foil) Mar 18 12:10:31 lcuk:some cops are stupid, they banned pringles antennas Mar 18 12:10:47 thats cos they look like guns Mar 18 12:10:52 lcuk: my retinas started smoking before I could turn down the backlight Mar 18 12:10:54 ju are the terrorist Mar 18 12:10:59 xnt: what for? Mar 18 12:11:06 was there a clear reason stated? Mar 18 12:11:13 mmm...chipstar > pringles Mar 18 12:11:19 "rocket propelled crunchy snacks Mar 18 12:11:22 heya johnx Mar 18 12:11:26 RST38h: well I forgot :P Mar 18 12:11:32 hey RST38h Mar 18 12:11:39 did I mention you could use an actual dinner plate instead? ;P Mar 18 12:11:40 * xnt is Googling Mar 18 12:11:57 Astorm: or a cereal bowl, sans cereal Mar 18 12:12:10 wouldnt you spill the milk Mar 18 12:12:13 when you aimed it Mar 18 12:12:23 bowl is too deep and not close enough to parabolic Mar 18 12:12:24 ;P Mar 18 12:12:25 lcuk: You would have to rotate the bowl at exactly the right speed Mar 18 12:12:27 RST38h: http://www.engadget.com/2005/07/25/wifi-cantennas-now-illegal/ Mar 18 12:12:32 depends where the focal point is Mar 18 12:12:50 it's usually inside the bowl ;P Mar 18 12:12:57 (as they're deep) Mar 18 12:12:59 if cantennas are illegal, only criminals will eat pringles Mar 18 12:13:01 unsophisticated but reliable, and it's illegal to possess them Mar 18 12:13:11 xnt: I guess the PD is welcome to bring this to court Mar 18 12:13:44 xnt: and see its colective uniformed ass whipped Mar 18 12:14:03 lcuk, that and party people ;P Mar 18 12:14:08 Stskeeps, point me a easy package just to try your intructions :) Mar 18 12:14:13 RST38h: :) Mar 18 12:14:37 RST38h, it is legal to possess any antenna Mar 18 12:14:50 perhaps they think pringles cans are a gateway drug to bigger obesity problems Mar 18 12:14:51 AStorm: This depends on the country Mar 18 12:14:59 although it's illegal to transmit data over it Mar 18 12:15:00 ;P Mar 18 12:15:04 AStorm: what about orbital weapons satellites? Mar 18 12:15:07 the school using the word illegal is not the same as having a law Mar 18 12:15:07 because it's not FCC-certified Mar 18 12:15:10 AStorm: Also, while you can posess it, installing it is usually a matter of regulations Mar 18 12:15:10 only that Mar 18 12:15:17 yep Mar 18 12:15:34 AStorm: I suggest you try and install a 100m long wire antenna =) Mar 18 12:15:37 this is sounding like pupl fiction Mar 18 12:15:41 pulp Mar 18 12:15:51 AStorm: You can choose any country you want for that, US or PL and see what happends Mar 18 12:16:07 RST38h, sure, why not, I can install a remote microwave gun too Mar 18 12:16:07 EU Mar 18 12:16:19 (none of this applies to pringles antennas of course :)) Mar 18 12:16:24 100m long is too long ;P Mar 18 12:16:44 Ok, make it 80m, exactly 1/2 of 160m band Mar 18 12:16:45 I mean, I'd need permission or would have to own the land it's on Mar 18 12:17:10 hahaha, I see where you're getting Mar 18 12:17:14 I can have any antenna Mar 18 12:17:17 AStorm: My guess is that even if you install it on your own land in US, you would eventually get problems :) Mar 18 12:17:18 I can't transmit with it Mar 18 12:17:30 AStorm: essentially correct Mar 18 12:17:37 obviously our control team would go and check up on me Mar 18 12:17:46 to see if I transmit anything Mar 18 12:17:56 VDVsx: libhildonmime maybe Mar 18 12:18:06 still, 2.4 GHz is free spectrum Mar 18 12:18:16 so as long as I don't exceed allowed power, it should be fine Mar 18 12:18:47 (in the US) so long as you comply with the FCC regulations Mar 18 12:18:51 oh, and don't interfere with other equipment Mar 18 12:18:52 yep Mar 18 12:18:56 what about those guys that were throwing bluetooth >1mile Mar 18 12:18:59 and antennas don't need FCC approval Mar 18 12:19:00 lol Mar 18 12:19:05 VDVsx: or simpler yet, osso-gnomevfs-extra :P Mar 18 12:19:11 transmitters do Mar 18 12:19:38 this reminds me of my old laptop Mar 18 12:19:45 Stskeeps, you should put in the wiki some common places to grabe the pages :) Mar 18 12:19:47 bluetooth won't ever reach 1 mile Mar 18 12:19:53 VDVsx: yeah, sec Mar 18 12:19:54 *packages Mar 18 12:19:56 course it will Mar 18 12:19:57 unless you're living on a flat desert Mar 18 12:20:06 it's max 100 mW Mar 18 12:20:11 stupid HP, locking the BIOS to only accept recoded wlan cards sold for 3x the price Mar 18 12:20:20 and absorbed by most substances, esp. water vapor Mar 18 12:20:35 it's microwave after all ;P Mar 18 12:20:56 jaem_N810: Same here, but I modded my card show up as the whitelisted card :) Mar 18 12:21:28 xnt: I would have, but the 3945s have provisions to prevent that :( Mar 18 12:21:51 I couldn't find a hack for it Mar 18 12:22:04 VDVsx: added Mar 18 12:22:12 and the standard methods wouldn't work with the driver Mar 18 12:22:13 soldering iron and eeprom programmer always works Mar 18 12:22:19 well, true Mar 18 12:22:20 ;P Mar 18 12:22:31 but that wasn't worth it to me at the time Mar 18 12:22:35 heck, you don't even probably need to unsolder that chip Mar 18 12:22:46 Stskeeps, and your ITT instructions should be handy in this page too :) Mar 18 12:22:49 jaem_N810: that was when I had a laptop, lol Mar 18 12:23:40 AStorm: see second-latest post on http://ffejery.creativemisconfiguration.com Mar 18 12:24:09 anyhow, I'm going to see if I can get some sleep, now Mar 18 12:24:25 g'night Mar 18 12:25:54 haha Mar 18 12:26:00 not even *that* expensive Mar 18 12:26:16 EEPROM programmers are cheap Mar 18 12:26:17 heck, you can build one yourself Mar 18 12:26:36 though I'd need an USB/RS-232 dongle to make that work ;P Mar 18 12:26:40 yeah, but I didn't have the time to mess around with it Mar 18 12:26:47 I wish I had, though Mar 18 12:26:59 oh well - that laptop's long gone anyhow Mar 18 12:27:02 ah, and you'd need an image of the original card EEPROM ;P or at least the PCI ID Mar 18 12:27:11 haha Mar 18 12:27:42 I sold it and bought an N810 and a 24" LCD Mar 18 12:27:52 then a cheapo desktop Mar 18 12:28:00 VDVsx: updated Mar 18 12:28:09 I gave my old laptop to my cousin Mar 18 12:28:12 acquired a PIV box, and scored a free laptop Mar 18 12:28:16 so I'm set Mar 18 12:28:19 Stskeeps, :) Mar 18 12:28:31 btw, id I owned most of that hardware he outlines later, I'd build my own devices Mar 18 12:28:41 maybe ill buy a system76 Mar 18 12:28:41 better and w/o annoyances ;P Mar 18 12:29:31 AStorm: that who outlines? Mar 18 12:29:37 * xnt is installing scratchbox Mar 18 12:30:13 * xnt is late for school Mar 18 12:30:16 crap! Mar 18 12:30:30 the guy of the blog Mar 18 12:30:40 oh Mar 18 12:30:46 that would be me Mar 18 12:30:58 ok see ya all later!, Ill try to get on irc at school! Mar 18 12:30:59 ah, didn't make the link ;P different nick Mar 18 12:31:04 I didn't catch what you meant the first time Mar 18 12:31:49 yeah - my normal nick was taken, and its origins are kind of stupid (from back in the day), albeit not obviously so Mar 18 12:32:03 btw, does anyone have a spare Xilinx or Altera FPGA card lying around? :P Mar 18 12:32:25 I know someone who does, but I don't think he'd give it up :P Mar 18 12:32:35 boohoo Mar 18 12:32:42 he got a few things like that free from his old job Mar 18 12:32:45 lucky Mar 18 12:32:50 I'll probably have to steal^Wborrow one from our labs Mar 18 12:32:55 haha Mar 18 12:33:19 the basic set is $800 or something Mar 18 12:33:23 or was it $1000 Mar 18 12:33:26 the only thing we're allowed to steal/borrow is resistors and wire Mar 18 12:33:42 if you're in 4th year, they might loan you some MCUs Mar 18 12:33:44 haha, we have better arrangements Mar 18 12:33:48 they're pretty stingy Mar 18 12:33:53 there's a rule against taking out scopes Mar 18 12:34:05 "The weapon's ammunition initially appeared to be human-like teeth; DNA testing of the "bullets" results in no known match in any species known on Earth." Mar 18 12:34:07 after a few didn't make it back ;P Mar 18 12:34:12 we had to talk them into even letting us use the scopes, in first year Mar 18 12:34:22 RST38h, huhwha? Mar 18 12:34:40 "The weapon does not seem capable of reproduction at this time (scans showed no apparent reproductive organs) and requires no sustenance beyond water, calcium, and protein." Mar 18 12:34:44 jaem_N810_afk, hehe, fortunately, our old HP scopes have excellent protection Mar 18 12:34:47 RST38h: I don't want to know where you keep getting these from, but what is the nature of the site? Mar 18 12:35:13 the worst that happened was a blown secondary fuse once Mar 18 12:35:19 AStorm: we have slightly old Tektronix digital scopes, mostly Mar 18 12:35:20 jaem: It is kind of a wiki where people submit "scientific reports" of various otherwordly objects Mar 18 12:35:27 oh my Mar 18 12:35:31 jaem: Who thing is made to look like an Xiles database Mar 18 12:35:33 usually circuit breaker works well enough ;P Mar 18 12:35:38 XFiles Mar 18 12:35:45 AStorm: at least, in the main lab Mar 18 12:35:56 they also block ssh in that lab Mar 18 12:35:57 jaem: This one was http://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-127 Mar 18 12:36:15 RST38h, sounds fun ;P Mar 18 12:36:15 if it's serious, the guys are certainly... crazy Mar 18 12:36:48 hahahaha Mar 18 12:36:53 AStorm: prolly no more serious than uncyclopedia but crazy to the bone =) Mar 18 12:37:05 ok, this is going to be good ;P Mar 18 12:37:19 apparently because people were tunneling through the schools' file server (which has a darn fast connection) from that lab, so IT told them to block it :( Mar 18 12:37:25 stupid... Mar 18 12:37:38 and pointless, as it still works over the wifi Mar 18 12:37:44 and every other lab Mar 18 12:37:51 heh Mar 18 12:38:20 I'm not sure how they're doing it yet, but it's not something simple, like killing port 22 Mar 18 12:38:24 more's the pity Mar 18 12:38:29 I probably had my shell account locked down... or had password changed and forgot it (unlikely - my passwords are schematic) Mar 18 12:39:01 my uni uses Solaris on the file server Mar 18 12:39:02 jaem_N810_afk, it' probably that + host check Mar 18 12:39:13 with Csh - blech Mar 18 12:39:23 my .cshrc contains one line Mar 18 12:39:28 /bin/bash Mar 18 12:39:30 hehe Mar 18 12:39:50 ok, I've to go to the another lab, this one with pointless cards made by the people who made Matlab Mar 18 12:39:56 what was it called ;P Mar 18 12:40:05 have fun :P Mar 18 12:40:24 right, SimuLink Mar 18 12:40:52 I found a copy of Electronics Workbench v2 in the old databook collection Mar 18 12:40:54 lol Mar 18 12:41:04 4x 5-1/4" floppies Mar 18 12:41:19 they said I could have them if I wanted Mar 18 12:41:31 just some small cpu hooked up to ADCs, DACs, bunch of other IO pins, 4 timers and ;P RS-232 Mar 18 12:41:42 I may go and pick them up later today, and take a look at it, for laughs Mar 18 12:42:26 I'll have to see if my 5-1/4" drive-in-a-box-somewheres still works Mar 18 12:43:05 and remember, folks - don't put your floppies in upside down - the bits will fall out and jam the drive Mar 18 12:50:27 great.... it's 6am, and I barely slept :( Mar 18 12:50:39 I'll be back in an hour or so Mar 18 13:26:35 'lo wazd Mar 18 13:26:52 Stskeeps: hey( Mar 18 13:27:51 any progress on icons? :) Mar 18 13:30:24 * mgedmin stumbles upon http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=27613 Mar 18 13:31:31 GeneralAntilles: about IRC logs, I'm certainly available for consultations, but I wouldn't say it's up to me to move them to maemo.org Mar 18 13:31:38 first, I don't have root there (heh) Mar 18 13:31:39 * Stskeeps ponders idly why last.fm has dished up with "R2-D2 We Wish You a Merry Christmas" Mar 18 13:31:55 second, if the logs are there it makes sense for the bot to live there too Mar 18 13:34:24 Stskeeps: :) Mar 18 13:36:24 hi all. is there a separate channel for maemo developers? i have a question about sdk and gconf =) Mar 18 13:36:42 Stskeeps: I'm very sorry, I had totally no time until now( Mar 18 13:36:44 best place is here i guess, or maemo-developers Mar 18 13:36:57 wazd: hehe, it's fine, there were code problems in 0.10 too so we skipped it Mar 18 13:37:06 Stskeeps: I was really overloaded with work( Mar 18 13:37:11 it didn't want to boot whatsoever the whole monday :) Mar 18 13:38:03 But I had much time to think) Mar 18 13:39:01 http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/18/smartq-5-mid-scores-itself-ubuntu-a-ridiculously-low-price-tag/ Mar 18 13:39:04 well.. i use maemo-sdk+, xephyr starts, hildon starts, i am able to run my app inside emulator. but it cannot connect to gconf. it seems like gconf is not running. /var/log/ on target root is empty. where to dig? Mar 18 13:39:57 wazd: 132$, jesus Mar 18 13:40:23 wazd: but yes, that should run Mer :P Mar 18 13:40:42 Who needs Ubuntu when you have Mer :D Mar 18 13:41:54 I saw 3.0 iPhone release and realized that manufacturers became too lazy Mar 18 13:42:10 Palm Pre too Mar 18 13:42:30 * aquatix wondered why it took 3 versions to get search into the iphone Mar 18 13:42:35 Some basic stuff is presented to people as something extraordinary Mar 18 13:43:01 wazd: anyway, http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Sprints/0.11#Component:_User_interface_.28artwork.29 - want to take mentorship of this component and mark out directions and what needs to be done for Mer in the user interface (visual, not code) department? Mar 18 13:43:10 so people come to you and use you as a mentor for what needs to be done Mar 18 13:43:38 Stskeeps: sure) Mar 18 13:43:53 because i'm horridly unimaginative in that area Mar 18 13:44:49 wazd: k, page changed Mar 18 13:46:07 it's your responsibility to keep that part of the sprint pages updated with status and such and who does what, and to manage people wanting to help out in that area :P Mar 18 13:48:48 Stskeeps: ok) Mar 18 13:48:51 wazd: otherwise, the layout actually functions quite nicely on tablet Mar 18 13:49:34 hey wazd Mar 18 13:51:22 wazd: I haven't seen any other MIDs running LXDE... Mar 18 13:51:27 that's interesting Mar 18 13:51:31 except for n8x0 ;) Mar 18 13:51:40 I meant stock Mar 18 13:52:54 I personally like that Intel concept MID with the really wiiiiiiiiiide form factor Mar 18 13:53:20 as much as I'm not a fan of soft-keyboards, the slide-out action on that was pretty shiny Mar 18 13:53:35 * aquatix rather likes the Vaio P Mar 18 13:53:39 damn expensive though Mar 18 13:53:46 yeah, and it's Sony Mar 18 13:53:55 :) Mar 18 13:53:55 * mgedmin wants to see the slide out action Mar 18 13:53:56 which is something I've been wondering... Mar 18 13:53:59 any urls to movies? Mar 18 13:54:09 wazd: i'm also starting to be a big fan of the magic X Mar 18 13:54:11 given how evil Sony is, why do they like Linux so much? Mar 18 13:54:27 wazd: i can switch to home very quickly and close / switch Mar 18 13:54:40 mgedmin: see the Engadget post Mar 18 13:54:48 I don't have a link handy Mar 18 13:54:54 it's on itT somewheres Mar 18 13:54:54 wazd: and it lays comfortably in the top right corner, so my fingertip fits :P Mar 18 13:54:59 * mgedmin tries to google Engadget Mar 18 13:56:18 jott? jott :( Mar 18 13:58:26 wazd: http://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/mer-liberty-mer.png Mar 18 13:58:40 (there's a hidden menu button there too.) Mar 18 14:07:45 * lcuk ponders why menus and task switchers arent at the bottom Mar 18 14:07:51 its so hard to reach with 810 Mar 18 14:08:18 * lcuk has to stretch a finger ALL the way up the screen :P Mar 18 14:13:17 how do you register an app to handle a certain mime type? i'm particularly interested in registering an app so that it'll handle files of a certain mime type opened by osso_mime_open_file_with_mime_type ? Mar 18 14:13:32 if this is not the right channel for this question, can someone please let me know which channel to ask on? Mar 18 14:13:58 mmatth: it's the right channel. Have a look at the freedesktop.org specs for it - I believe that's the manner in which it's done Mar 18 14:17:30 ok, thanks. i'll look around there. Mar 18 14:21:19 * jaem_N810 is off to class-ish Mar 18 14:21:21 bye Mar 18 14:25:21 lcuk: cause there are app controls on the bottom) Mar 18 14:27:50 wazd, you are right of course :) Mar 18 14:27:52 hi btw Mar 18 14:28:04 lcuk: hey) Mar 18 14:35:29 http://dpaste.com/hold/16011/ .. super simple false security .. not at all sleek like google's unlock screen. Mar 18 14:38:38 rmt :D excellent Mar 18 14:38:41 derf: ping Mar 18 14:40:18 rmt, show your app and press+hold the menu button Mar 18 14:40:47 you need to hook properly into the lock screen stuff (not sure how ..) Mar 18 14:44:54 gotta run now.. catch you all later. Mar 18 14:49:35 Guys, I'm wondering, is there a trick to incorporate the old Opera engine from ITOS2007 into ITOS2008? Mar 18 14:49:51 Sho_: Not that I know of Mar 18 14:49:56 rmt: mmm, vala Mar 18 14:50:28 Hm, shame. Gecko and WebKit are obviously much more modern, but the Opera engine was just so much faster, particularly with regard to responsiveness during load. Mar 18 15:00:45 * rm_you <3 Opera Mar 18 15:00:59 * Myrtti loves her n800 Mar 18 15:01:16 I wanted to do that too... supposedly there was a way to hack the old opera files in, but not sure if it still works Mar 18 15:01:20 someone had a project Mar 18 15:01:21 on the forum Mar 18 15:01:26 Myrtti: :) Mar 18 15:01:43 Myrtti: what's your favorite Yarn? :P Mar 18 15:01:47 just curious Mar 18 15:02:21 * rm_you has fallen in love with Malabrigo Worsted Mar 18 15:04:10 rm_you: I usually use Finnish handdyed ones Mar 18 15:04:17 ooo Mar 18 15:04:21 pure wool? Mar 18 15:04:45 Stskeeps: http://i041.radikal.ru/0903/5f/5cf0986d63e7.jpg Mar 18 15:04:52 Stskeeps: first shot) Mar 18 15:05:24 rm_you: 90 wool, 10 silk, 140tex Mar 18 15:05:35 which kind of sheep? :P Mar 18 15:05:47 do you have photos on your ravelry page? Mar 18 15:06:01 wazd: Slick! Mar 18 15:06:06 Finnish ingenious organic lambs :-) Mar 18 15:06:11 heh Mar 18 15:06:14 soft? Mar 18 15:06:18 wazd: nice Mar 18 15:06:19 rm_you: yeah, the green Linden is of that Mar 18 15:06:25 and yes, very, very soft Mar 18 15:06:31 hrmrm Mar 18 15:06:53 Myrtti, how long are you in the uk for this time? Mar 18 15:07:01 also 7€/50g Mar 18 15:07:11 lcuk: you tell me, haven't bought a ticket back yet Mar 18 15:07:12 you don't use stash? >_> Mar 18 15:07:43 :) and i hope you never have to Mar 18 15:07:43 rm_you: if I started to photograph my about 200l stash of yarn, I'd be taking pictures next year Mar 18 15:07:50 lol Mar 18 15:07:55 well, you could start on some of it :P Mar 18 15:08:05 is there somewhere online I can buy said yarn? Mar 18 15:08:13 I guess I could take photos of my current unspun project Mar 18 15:08:31 isnt that a sheep Mar 18 15:09:30 http://utuna.fi/tuotelk.php For orders in English please send me an email: kerttu MEAOW utuna.fi Mar 18 15:11:40 who of you is familar with extras assistant? Mar 18 15:11:55 thopiekar: I ;) Mar 18 15:11:56 where's derf when you want him I wonder...? Mar 18 15:12:10 btw where is jere..? Mar 18 15:12:53 thopiekar: Hasn't replied to me today, so probably not here.. Mar 18 15:14:22 thopiekar, saw him on the mailing list a bit ago Mar 18 15:14:32 i think hes hiding from irc ;) Mar 18 15:14:37 X-Fade: please explain me why the i386 build fails at the second link.. https://garage.maemo.org/builder/diablo/x11proto-xf86vidmode_2.2.2-5maemo1/ https://garage.maemo.org/builder/diablo/x11proto-xf86vidmode_2.2.2-5maemo2/ .. I just have changed the architecture from all to any.. Mar 18 15:14:46 lcuk: think so, too :P Mar 18 15:15:39 HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO ! Mar 18 15:15:57 guten tag, Khertan :P Mar 18 15:16:04 Myrtti: is that lace yarn? Mar 18 15:16:11 rm_you: yes. Mar 18 15:16:17 hi Khertan Mar 18 15:16:19 lol Mar 18 15:16:23 thopiekar: dpkg-genchanges fails. Mar 18 15:16:23 they do have others with similar concistency Mar 18 15:16:28 * rm_you just had to figure out what TEX meant Mar 18 15:16:30 s/they/she/ Mar 18 15:16:30 Myrtti meant: she do have others with similar concistency Mar 18 15:16:30 http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/5716/screenshot18.png <<< yes it s maemo 4 ;) Mar 18 15:16:44 that almost made sense Mar 18 15:16:50 X-Fade: do you know why? Mar 18 15:16:59 thopiekar: You can try to run it in your own scratchbox to see what happens? Mar 18 15:17:26 Probably because it can't find any info for i386? Mar 18 15:17:53 As it says "dpkg-genchanges: failure: cannot read files list file: No such file or directory" Mar 18 15:18:16 So now to find out why it doesn't generate a files list. Mar 18 15:18:28 the same.. but why didn't failed the first build? Mar 18 15:18:39 Myrtti: do they make anything like.... Worsted? :P Mar 18 15:21:02 X-Fade: the same happens when building it on i386-Diablo but there are no differences in the two archs i think.. i386 hasn't failed before and now it's possible to build armel but not i386.. this isn't very logical for me.. Mar 18 15:21:25 bam Mar 18 15:21:38 shlack ! Mar 18 15:23:33 X-Fade: have you read my message? Mar 18 15:24:33 * thopiekar hates it when kornbluth.freenode.net is spamming.. Mar 18 15:27:12 X-Fade: I need this package for mesa>glut>freeglut>ghostscript>graphviz.. I know there is already a graphviz package on extras-devel but the install conflicts with libtool.. Mar 18 15:33:17 mgedmin, well, what I mean is the final decision is yours. ;) Mar 18 15:33:38 mgedmin, you've been providing this service for an awful long time and if you don't want to move to maemo.org, I'm certainly not gonna pre-empt you. ;) Mar 18 15:34:21 X-Fade: ping Mar 18 15:34:36 GeneralAntilles: that's exactly my point -- it's not my decision Mar 18 15:34:43 there's no monopoly on IRC logs Mar 18 15:34:58 anybody can collect them and publish them Mar 18 15:35:13 I'd like the logs to live on maemo.org Mar 18 15:35:42 but I don't have to be the one moving them Mar 18 15:35:55 in fact I can't be the one moving them, since I have no admin access to maemo.org Mar 18 15:36:09 mgedmin: We can set something up. Mar 18 15:36:10 Right, but my point wasn't a technical one. ;) Mar 18 15:36:13 then we should give you some access :) Mar 18 15:36:30 * mgedmin never says no to root access :-) Mar 18 15:36:50 X-Fade: aha - you're there, see reply to "maintenance break" email about possible favourites breakage Mar 18 15:36:53 mgedmin, you have no monopoly but you have history and are an implicit part of maemo Mar 18 15:36:56 X-Fade: ^ Mar 18 15:36:58 GeneralAntilles: and my point is that you don't need *my* permission if you want to set up logs elsewhere Mar 18 15:37:01 I won't mind, really! Mar 18 15:37:06 * lcuk2 said as much at the summit :) Mar 18 15:37:11 mgedmin: I talking more about synching really ;) Mar 18 15:37:41 mgedmin: It'd require your co-operation to move the bot, copy the historic logs, put in a redirect etc though Mar 18 15:37:49 And asking's just plain good ol' etiket. Mar 18 15:37:53 ^ Mar 18 15:37:53 thopiekar: I have no idea, we'd need to discuss it with Jeremiah. Mar 18 15:37:53 X-Fade: have you read my messages above? Mar 18 15:38:25 Jaffa: Yes, I noticed that. Looking into it. Mar 18 15:38:31 * GeneralAntilles has a Mini 9 to pick up from the office. FedEx didn't even attempt to delivery it. . . . Mar 18 15:38:55 X-Fade: k Mar 18 15:40:49 I didn't realise you were still waiting! Mar 18 15:45:08 I feel like I'm getting entrenched on that title thread for no reason. Mar 18 15:45:45 Jaffa: Probably found the problem, patching now. Mar 18 15:47:17 So I guess Intel's also using an "n-series" badge. Mar 18 15:49:12 badge? Mar 18 15:49:35 Hi guys...I was trying to install debootstrap but it would just not install on n810 ...it says broken packages...My question is can I use my x86 box to debootstrap to the sd-card ..inorder to get jaunty on n810 Mar 18 15:50:33 did you try out mer? it will grab all the stuff you need to do it Mar 18 15:51:00 Stskeeps, http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1385/965816563_9ded2880c4.jpg Mar 18 15:51:11 stskeeps: u mean add mer to the repository? Mar 18 15:51:23 faso: no, just grab the .install for mer and it will grab the stuff :P Mar 18 15:51:44 can u point me to that .install ? Mar 18 15:52:10 http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/merinstaller.install Mar 18 15:52:39 ok Thanks...I will try this Mar 18 15:53:06 X-Fade: I tried again to build that package in verbose mode and it has worked on my sb1.x86.diablo, but not on mea.. Mar 18 15:54:40 qwerty12: too many channels? ;) Mar 18 15:55:01 Stskeeps, yep, I started out on IRC as a one channel person ;) Mar 18 15:55:05 qwerty12: fair enough Mar 18 15:55:17 (still am if I'm being true to myself) Mar 18 15:57:19 X-Fade: now getting Error: d is undefined Mar 18 15:57:19 Source File: http://static.maemo.org/jQuery/jquery-1.2.6.js Mar 18 15:57:21 Line: 11 Mar 18 15:59:00 Jaffa: Yeah, the problem is somewhere else. I'm sitting next to bergie and we're trying to fix it ;) Mar 18 15:59:16 X-Fade: cool :) Mar 18 15:59:24 Do you think that an gmail checker applet with a preview of unread mail in navigator instead of contact will interest someone ? Mar 18 15:59:48 Jaffa: One of the advantages of being in .fi atm ;) Mar 18 15:59:51 (i ask to know if i lost some of my time coding a pref interface to put password and login) Mar 18 16:00:01 Khertan: i.e. instead of the "Contact" plugin being second in Task Navigator? Mar 18 16:00:17 yep Mar 18 16:00:22 or elsewhere ... Mar 18 16:00:57 it use gmail unread http atom feed to avoid blocking isp proxy .... Mar 18 16:01:05 How do I change the font rendering settings in Ubuntu? Mar 18 16:01:21 Khertan: sounds good Mar 18 16:01:31 GeneralAntilles: System > Preferences > Appearance > Fonts IIRC Mar 18 16:01:53 Ah, got it, thanks Jaffa. Mar 18 16:02:01 GeneralAntilles: got your mini? Mar 18 16:02:02 jaffa > http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/5716/screenshot18.png Mar 18 16:02:15 3 hours until GSOC org list is out! Mar 18 16:02:24 Khertan, oh, that's hot. Mar 18 16:02:26 it could also change the position of some layout Mar 18 16:02:27 go maemo go! w00t w00t Mar 18 16:02:36 Stskeeps, yeah, poking at it as we speak. Mar 18 16:02:37 * z4chh does the happy dance Mar 18 16:02:45 it s a feature not a bug Mar 18 16:02:45 :) Mar 18 16:02:49 Khertan: hmm, what have you played around with? Mar 18 16:02:50 Yeah, right ;-) Mar 18 16:03:03 stskeeps, it says "Unable to install merinstaller. Some application packages required for the installation are missing." Mar 18 16:03:35 Stskeeps, I dont have dependencies for merinstaller Mar 18 16:03:40 Stskeeps: flood the maemo-launcher with a stupid overloading a changing icon every millisecond navigator applet Mar 18 16:03:49 +and Mar 18 16:04:02 Khertan: O_o Mar 18 16:04:10 Any chance of two-finger scrolling? Mar 18 16:05:07 stskeep ... it s a feature not a bug ... Mar 18 16:05:44 i ve forgotten that gobject.timeout_add() is in millisecond ... and not minute Mar 18 16:05:44 :) Mar 18 16:06:04 stskeeps: the application missing is libssl0.9.8(>=0.9.8e-1) ..Where can I find this package? Any clue ? Mar 18 16:06:13 Khertan, that is a huge time difference ;p Mar 18 16:06:46 z4chh: specially when you change an icon in maemo-launcher and do a queue_draw Mar 18 16:07:04 faso: at this point i'd just reflash and try again.. Mar 18 16:07:48 Can i somehow disable the javascript security warning on file:// documents? Mar 18 16:08:32 It's pretty annoying while using js software that write on the device locally. Mar 18 16:09:02 maybe there was a trick in the thread on tiddlywiki(?) Mar 18 16:09:04 on itt Mar 18 16:09:22 Yeah tiddlywiki :) Mar 18 16:10:38 Stskeeps: http://i041.radikal.ru/0903/5f/5cf0986d63e7.jpg Mar 18 16:11:25 wazd: ooh. Mar 18 16:12:07 excuse me for a second while i'm licking my screen. Mar 18 16:12:41 * qwerty12 passes Stskeeps the tissues Mar 18 16:12:46 :) Mar 18 16:12:55 Stskeeps, are you hungry or something? Mar 18 16:12:57 >.< Mar 18 16:13:02 z4chh: look at the jpg. Mar 18 16:13:04 schweet Mar 18 16:13:07 that's ... Mar 18 16:13:09 wicked Mar 18 16:13:12 Stskeeps: If you happen to remember some url/something drop a query, now i have to leave from the cafe ;) Mar 18 16:13:33 wazd: and this would work properly in 16-bit? Mar 18 16:14:31 (i can't see bpp info so) Mar 18 16:23:12 wazd: would you be able to put elements into a svg theme template maybe? think i can add the various icons into some pixel positions Mar 18 16:24:11 Stskeeps: well, it looks pretty same on the tablet Mar 18 16:24:16 k Mar 18 16:25:30 wazd: am i odd for not understanding fully the theme templates? :) Mar 18 16:25:35 wazd: that looks lickable Mar 18 16:29:05 wazd: anyway, how do we proceed? maybe we can continue on http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Documentation/Desktop_layout , seperate into different things like "background when button active" "background when button not active" and such Mar 18 16:29:21 and associate the artwork with svg files so we can start making theme based on it Mar 18 16:29:41 svg/png Mar 18 16:30:11 then in the end we can feed it into a theme template and then we have our new ui :) Mar 18 16:31:02 In fact, UI and theme should be developed simulatenously) Mar 18 16:31:25 yeah, i have most of the code already to get it ticking Mar 18 16:32:21 cause it will give the freedom for both developer and designer :) Mar 18 16:32:57 I've found my early Maemo 5 mockups on PC :) Mar 18 16:33:23 yay Mar 18 16:33:27 http://s49.radikal.ru/i124/0903/dc/d5d59797f630.png <- copypaste :) Mar 18 16:33:43 and i found that anything other than desktop shouldnt have write permission Mar 18 16:34:24 wazd: anyway, if you can give me some pngs of the 3 (4, with the x's in the menu) icons in the mockup, i can start seeing what things we need done to make the theme work and support for Mar 18 16:35:22 Stskeeps: I'm on it :) Mar 18 16:35:39 http://s53.radikal.ru/i142/0903/43/63877d0cf5a6.png <- finger friendly hildon menu) Mar 18 16:35:40 and maybe the marquee gradient too Mar 18 16:36:08 wazd: hehe, interesting Mar 18 16:36:29 the fact you use darkened background is interesting as maemo5 actually ended up doing that :P Mar 18 16:36:43 Stskeeps: and that's lame Mar 18 16:36:45 anyone tried http://florence.sourceforge.net/? is it usable on tablet? Mar 18 16:37:13 Stskeeps: cause Maemo guys ended up with what I've started :( Mar 18 16:37:55 GNOME XChat seems ridiculously broken Mar 18 16:38:09 wazd, get the usb lazer keyboard Mar 18 16:38:31 Shadow__X: for what?) Mar 18 16:39:05 http://www.amazon.com/Celluon-CL800BT-Laser-Projection-Keyboard/dp/B000ESNE8S Mar 18 16:39:08 for maemo Mar 18 16:39:26 That thing is the worst Mar 18 16:39:51 even after adding extras and extras-devel, why cannot i see packages as part of those repositories. say rootsh or wget? Mar 18 16:40:06 Here in russia we have "Lutch" (Beam) brand for that stuff :) Mar 18 16:41:22 GAN800, that thing doesnt work well Mar 18 16:41:26 i wanted to try one Mar 18 16:41:42 see how it worked how i could break its ability Mar 18 16:41:46 Stskeeps: Mer icon: http://s51.radikal.ru/i133/0903/7d/f77074ef093e.png (it's there :D ) Mar 18 16:44:07 Application menu icon: http://s50.radikal.ru/i129/0903/ca/21d1a72a64f5.png Mar 18 16:46:10 Magic close: http://s51.radikal.ru/i134/0903/84/e7c91bfbf9ce.png Mar 18 16:47:51 wazd: а ты пиджин используешь? Mar 18 16:48:11 omg Mar 18 16:48:14 Ы Mar 18 16:48:26 Better PM in russian :) Mar 18 16:48:31 To be fair) Mar 18 16:48:39 :) Mar 18 16:48:54 thresh: yep, I use Pidgin and yes, ICQ doesn't work now for me( Mar 18 16:49:08 Stskeeps: Close: http://i013.radikal.ru/0903/e1/5c85d73dcb42.png Mar 18 16:49:08 grr Mar 18 16:49:57 It asks for newer version Mar 18 16:50:13 i know. i wonder why there is no updates. Mar 18 16:50:17 would it break diablo when I rebuild upstart from fremantle? Mar 18 16:50:18 s/is/are/ Mar 18 16:50:19 thresh meant: i know. i wonder why there are no updates. Mar 18 16:51:08 Well, Fennec b1 is faster, but still too damn slow. Mar 18 16:52:45 http://blog.pavlov.net/2009/03/17/fennec-1-beta-1/ Second video clearly shows, where Fennec took it's design xD Mar 18 16:53:02 why is fremantle'S pulseaudio using upstart? Mar 18 16:53:07 because? :P Mar 18 16:53:56 fremantle uses upstart Mar 18 16:53:56 wazd: http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/merui/screenshot01.png , http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/merui/screenshot02.png Mar 18 16:55:21 Stskeeps: that was fast xD Mar 18 16:56:05 Stskeeps: why icons are smaller? Mar 18 16:56:11 wazd: just put the icons in, the hard work i'll do together with zenvoid Mar 18 16:56:56 Stskeeps: right now they are definitely not 48x48 :) Mar 18 16:57:39 wazd: hmm. Mar 18 16:57:53 the marquee is 52pixel high Mar 18 16:57:54 Stskeeps: they are like 32x32 Mar 18 16:58:04 interesting Mar 18 16:58:23 http://i041.radikal.ru/0903/5f/5cf0986d63e7.jpg | http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/merui/screenshot02.png Mar 18 16:58:29 See the difference) Mar 18 16:58:44 yeah, you're right Mar 18 16:59:14 must have a bug somewheere Mar 18 16:59:23 the status bar icons are 48 px though, right? Mar 18 17:00:29 40x40 Mar 18 17:01:38 as in mine on http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/merui/screenshot02.png Mar 18 17:01:46 the pc icon Mar 18 17:04:49 heya wazd Mar 18 17:05:37 http://i029.radikal.ru/0903/e8/c8d0adbabd43.png <- 40x40 statusbar icon Mar 18 17:05:49 RST38h: moo :) Mar 18 17:06:17 RST38h: sorry, hadn't time to continue work on skins, will begin tomorrow) Mar 18 17:11:02 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820211351 Mar 18 17:11:13 n810 worthy? Mar 18 17:11:21 its class 6 Mar 18 17:13:17 wazd: should the app's menu have a cutout (perhaps on both sides) to be closer to the maemo and hardware versions? Mar 18 17:15:15 Jaffa: it has, it's just thin Mar 18 17:15:53 sts? What app is in the screen shot? Mar 18 17:15:56 Really? All the bars of the gradient look the same width to my old eyes (on your first mockup of the new skin, anyway) Mar 18 17:15:58 Jaffa: If I correctly cot what you're talking bout :P Mar 18 17:16:01 "via" should be lowercase Mar 18 17:16:19 timelE61i: maemopad Mar 18 17:16:34 no idea which l10n it uses though Mar 18 17:16:50 wazd: I think you call it "application menu icon" (which I avoided for being too similar to "applications menu icon" - which in mer is the mer logo Mar 18 17:16:59 Jaffa: oh, no I'm not :) Mar 18 17:17:12 * timelE61i grumbles Mar 18 17:18:26 Jaffa: well, it can be whatever you want :) Mar 18 17:18:48 Jaffa: I just wanted it not to be a total copy of maemo one :) Mar 18 17:19:05 wazd: you're the designer, zenvoid & Stskeeps are doing the theme - far above my layer that ;-) Mar 18 17:19:19 actually i'm doing code, :P Mar 18 17:19:23 sts: bug 4066 closed fixed Mar 18 17:19:35 Jaffa: Well, who cares bout the design that nobody likes?)) Mar 18 17:19:42 Can you please figure out why it's broken in your picture? Mar 18 17:19:52 Jaffa: so feedback of ordinary user is very important Mar 18 17:20:07 wazd: true, I like to think so :) Mar 18 17:20:37 Jaffa: It's very difficult for me to see my work from the side Mar 18 17:20:52 Jaffa: I usually just stare and wait for something) Mar 18 17:20:56 timelE61i: simple, it's an old version Mar 18 17:21:59 uPgrade :) Mar 18 17:22:15 Jaffa: Or I make a statement "Ok, my work is crap" and try to figre out why it's crap :) Mar 18 17:40:50 So, who's ready to help shoot down another Java client for #maemo suggestion? ;) Mar 18 17:41:21 Show 'em fuzzybunny's logs. Should be enough. Mar 18 17:42:15 Ah, good point. Mar 18 17:43:23 anyone with brain can use java.freenode.net anyhow? Mar 18 17:45:46 Can't get this Mini 9 to unsuspend. . . . Mar 18 17:47:51 GeneralAntilles: i thought the unwashed masses was the people in here, fwiw .. ;P Mar 18 17:50:27 General: "Yes" for JavaScript, absolute "No" for Java Mar 18 17:51:07 GeneralAntilles: black screen of death? ;) Mar 18 17:51:41 mini 9? Mar 18 17:52:03 timelE61i, Dell, just got it today. Hopefully tiding me over until the next tablet is released. :( Mar 18 17:53:53 GeneralAntilles: perhaps if it was limited to *just* those who have logged in, a web IRC interface wouldn't be *too* bad Mar 18 17:54:08 Yeah, better than anonymous anybody Mar 18 17:54:17 Have to figure out a clean way to deal with nick collisions, though. Mar 18 17:54:18 if you limit it to talk.maemo.org users that can be recognized and publically humiliated.. Mar 18 17:54:21 :P Mar 18 17:55:17 Ugh, my shoulder doesn't want to play nice today. Mar 18 17:55:20 fwiw, it could even be set in their real name Mar 18 17:56:01 what's wrong w/ mibbit? Mar 18 17:56:22 Do we really need a minimal contained java client? Mar 18 17:56:52 Does anybody have any requests for the new repository.maemo.org index page? Mar 18 17:58:23 GeneralAntilles: Just auto append suffices Mar 18 17:58:59 X-Fade/bergie: how's the favourites JavaScript issue? Mar 18 18:00:21 jAffa: which is that? Mar 18 18:01:52 Gan: could you offer sources.list and .install files :) Mar 18 18:02:32 Also, i think i'd rather things be grouped by release not class Mar 18 18:02:52 Having to jump to three sections to get diablo+sdk+extras Mar 18 18:02:58 * thopiekar wonders why there are more and more repos on gronmayer, because he remembers that there was a plan of maemo.org to get all apps into maemo.org's repos.. Mar 18 18:03:31 No sane person wants extras / sdks for multiple releases at the beginning Mar 18 18:03:57 Thopiekar: wishes ... Reality Mar 18 18:03:57 VDVsx: prod Mar 18 18:04:26 timelE61i: :| Mar 18 18:05:01 thopiekar, well, most of the core stuff has moved. Mar 18 18:05:07 VDVsx: they claim emails about GSoC is going out atm :P Mar 18 18:05:07 Even Fennec's in Extras now. Mar 18 18:05:50 we got accepted :) Mar 18 18:05:55 woo! Mar 18 18:06:44 any specifics on allocations or whatever? Mar 18 18:07:25 GeneralAntilles: I think I should surrender these repos by removing them from my sources.. Mar 18 18:07:28 :P Mar 18 18:07:41 timelE61i, .installs were at the top of my list. Mar 18 18:08:48 Hello again Mar 18 18:08:55 does it s just my feeling or task navigator applet aren t threaded ? Mar 18 18:08:55 Stskeeps, only 150 out of 400 get accepted Mar 18 18:09:06 VDVsx, nice! Mar 18 18:09:22 so they freeze maemo-launcher while doing stuff Mar 18 18:10:13 khertan: tasknavigator is a single process gtk app Mar 18 18:10:29 Gtk apps are typically single thread locked/owns ui Mar 18 18:10:41 hum strange idea Mar 18 18:10:54 So.... Unless someone doesn't follow guidelines, they cooperate and share one thread Mar 18 18:11:09 so you can t switch application Mar 18 18:11:14 Please file bugs when they don't share nicely w/ the other little children Mar 18 18:11:21 or open a new one Mar 18 18:11:49 Also, iirc tasknav tends to toss up system modal ui elements Mar 18 18:12:02 * Khertan_mibbit will notify Khertan that his task applet isn t smart Mar 18 18:12:04 These are mostly design "features" Mar 18 18:12:12 :) Mar 18 18:12:23 So, don't bother filing bugs Mar 18 18:12:40 is it possible to make deb packages on the device? Mar 18 18:12:55 dpkg-dev is not installable.. Mar 18 18:12:56 dpkg-deb, but you don't want to go down that dark alley Mar 18 18:13:00 The alternative is the gomeapplet system where vm reqs for just them are unbearable Mar 18 18:13:18 Thopiekar: it's possible Mar 18 18:13:25 yep but i found that it s strange design 'feature' Mar 18 18:13:25 Or you could use ar+tar ;) Mar 18 18:13:26 say if i m wrong Mar 18 18:13:26 i m doing a gmail unread mail checker Mar 18 18:13:32 timelE61i: even darker allery Mar 18 18:13:33 Stskeeps: I need it for one deb.. Mar 18 18:13:34 -r Mar 18 18:13:35 which launch a thread Mar 18 18:13:54 libcrack :P Mar 18 18:13:59 to retrieve an atom feed Mar 18 18:14:02 and once done this process update the icon Mar 18 18:14:19 khertan: glib has some event system idle-loop-add or something Mar 18 18:14:23 apt-get can't find dpkg-deb Mar 18 18:14:30 thopiekar: look at py2deb or pypackager on wiki.maemo.org Mar 18 18:14:32 You're supposed to proccess in pieces Mar 18 18:14:54 Personally, i'd request you not do net io from the main thread Mar 18 18:15:07 Khertan_mibbit: are these packagers acting like dpkg-buildpackage? Mar 18 18:15:16 timelE61i: this is why i launch a thread Mar 18 18:15:30 Heck, if the processing of the data could be expensive, don't do that from main either :) Mar 18 18:15:37 thopiekar not really as dpkg-buildpackage can t run on nit Mar 18 18:15:56 and processing is done in the thread too Mar 18 18:16:11 this why i don t understand why i got hang Mar 18 18:16:15 sometimes Mar 18 18:16:29 the problem on sb1 is that the app xmlto can't get up a internet-connection.. Mar 18 18:16:32 anyway, the alternative of processes is very ram expensive Mar 18 18:16:48 thats why a builds fails on sb1 Mar 18 18:16:50 thopiekar: verify your /etc/resolv.conf and such in sb1 Mar 18 18:16:56 And would have meant you couldn't run apps on a 770 Mar 18 18:17:07 thopiekar: py2deb build a deb source package ready to be submitted to autobuilder Mar 18 18:18:04 timelE61i: maybe but hildonlauncher binding isn t available anyway on 770 Mar 18 18:18:17 nor hildondesktop Mar 18 18:18:23 for python Mar 18 18:18:54 at least if they don t run under a HE2008 Mar 18 18:19:01 Stskeeps: is it needed to restart sb1? Mar 18 18:19:18 by a command or just restarting the shell Mar 18 18:19:19 ? Mar 18 18:20:08 ? Mar 18 18:20:41 other question how to listen that the nit just got a connection, using dbus ? Mar 18 18:21:02 does it s possible in python ? Mar 18 18:22:36 khertan: microb's open source code has code for that Mar 18 18:23:03 Khertan_mibbit, find the connected string on CONNECTED com.nokia.icd.status_changed Mar 18 18:23:21 question 3 : Does someone here have tryed mCalendar 0.5.0 ? if yes, what do you think about it ? Mar 18 18:24:22 any dbus tutorial with python url somewhere ? Mar 18 18:24:22 :) Mar 18 18:24:40 or sample code ? Mar 18 18:26:09 http://mxr.maemo.org/garage/source/browser/mozilla/trunk/microb-eal/src/gmozillaconnectivity.c Mar 18 18:26:14 Is the microb code Mar 18 18:26:15 hello Mar 18 18:26:18 It isn't too bad Mar 18 18:26:26 romullo: hi Mar 18 18:26:39 there is a place where i can see the maemo GSoC ideas or something like that? Mar 18 18:26:56 http://wiki.maemo.org/GSoC_2009 Mar 18 18:27:10 lcuk thank you :) Mar 18 18:27:11 * lcuk was just wondering if it had been updated Mar 18 18:27:28 sorry peer kill me Mar 18 18:28:53 'hiya lcuk ! Mar 18 18:29:22 it's kinda funny to watch #gsoc atm Mar 18 18:29:31 hi there khertan, you are spending too much time in mibbit, get a client :P Mar 18 18:29:51 shame you cant have mIRC ;) Mar 18 18:30:04 Stskeeps: it looks like it working now.. thank you.. Is MEA configured like that, too? Mar 18 18:30:32 Stskeeps, chaos? Mar 18 18:30:53 Jaffa is pretty excited with his buttons :D Mar 18 18:30:56 GeneralAntilles: imagine people who got told their country have been skipped for free RX-51's Mar 18 18:31:01 Hehe Mar 18 18:31:36 i think the gsoc idea at first was ingenious and a cheap way to get new project ideas Mar 18 18:33:16 wazd: curious, on http://i041.radikal.ru/0903/5f/5cf0986d63e7.jpg , when it's marked, do you mean the current process? Mar 18 18:33:27 or moving cursor when going down with dpad Mar 18 18:33:39 Khertan: http://mxr.maemo.org/garage/search?string=status_changed&find=%5C.py Mar 18 18:34:30 wazd, his bright nice clean easy to understand buttons? Mar 18 18:34:40 wazd, have you considered dropping the icon glow? Mar 18 18:34:57 the icon glow is nice Mar 18 18:35:14 Unfortunately it reduces contrast and hurts visibility. Mar 18 18:35:19 Bad for blind old people. Mar 18 18:35:32 GeneralAntilles: these parts should (thank god) be themeable :) Mar 18 18:35:43 lcuk: well, I don't know exactly how magic close works but in my variaant yes, it's the current process :) Mar 18 18:35:52 wazd: VDVsx reused my bttons, honest. Mar 18 18:36:03 Jaffa: :) Mar 18 18:36:13 Ubuntu repos are slow. . . . Mar 18 18:36:39 wazd: also, any reason for no home logo? Mar 18 18:36:39 GeneralAntilles: well, glowing adds some underwater flavour I think) Mar 18 18:36:47 * lcuk has a jaffa button widget Mar 18 18:36:55 Stskeeps: no, just lazy to cut it out :) Mar 18 18:37:06 wazd: hehe, okay, thought it was interesting nevertheless Mar 18 18:37:20 wazd? magic close? you been on the mushrooms? Mar 18 18:37:26 thopiekar: another option for building source packages is mud-builder. For example, to build a Maemo-compatible deb of a single Vala source file, complete with applications' menu integration and icons took about 6 files: https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/trunk/packages/vala-sample.pkg/?root=mud-builder (and three of them are icons) Mar 18 18:37:27 * lcuk has never heard of magic close Mar 18 18:37:30 lcuk: acid :) Mar 18 18:37:48 we get asked at work to add magic buttons to our applications Mar 18 18:37:55 lcuk: well, I think the screenshot describes it in basics :) Mar 18 18:38:06 lcuk: it's the old switcher button that comes out when you have too many applications open Mar 18 18:38:19 "i need a button to do blah blah blah when i click it and im busy, and do blah blah blah when im using it in a different way" Mar 18 18:38:20 it's an experiment, and is actually quite nice using in practice Mar 18 18:38:31 lcuk: this time around it comes out when apps > 0 Mar 18 18:38:48 i dont think ive ever had enough apps Mar 18 18:38:50 and functions as a close app menu as well as switch-to-home and task-switcher Mar 18 18:39:07 is there a screenie of the default maemo one Mar 18 18:39:22 Jaffa: the thing is that I allways want to test my debs before uploading them... Mar 18 18:39:27 Btw, thanks everyone who helped me with A2DP, it works like a charm) Mar 18 18:39:45 I hope that jeremaid will be here soon.. Mar 18 18:39:48 lcuk: http://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/mer-ui-implemented.png Mar 18 18:40:14 Jaffa, and your buttons are now in GSoC :P Mar 18 18:40:39 VDVsx, accepted? Mar 18 18:40:44 there is a package (graphviz) which conflicts with libtool when installing one of them and I'm unable to build a i386 package on mea.. Mar 18 18:40:51 yup Mar 18 18:40:57 which bits Mar 18 18:41:37 Stskeeps, the one that comes up in bottom left that you can also click home from and close other apps? Mar 18 18:41:41 yeah Mar 18 18:42:00 it functions really nicely up in the corner Mar 18 18:42:20 i liked it in the bottom left :$ Mar 18 18:43:02 i like the icon replacement thingy - its a bit abstract but its certainly nicer Mar 18 18:43:20 Stskeeps: is it possible to make hildon menu like this? http://s49.radikal.ru/i126/0903/d6/10ab2b78c863.png Mar 18 18:43:47 wazd: i guess so but that's going to take some time Mar 18 18:44:05 i wouldn't mind a bigger menu though. Mar 18 18:44:43 the current one is not so nice touch wise Mar 18 18:46:49 wazd: menu button really needs to be bigger, doesn't it? Mar 18 18:47:26 thopiekar: graphviz doesn't work because somebody uploaded binaries in source package Mar 18 18:47:57 yes mikkov__ that what I noticed too.. Mar 18 18:48:17 I wasn't beleaving it so I contacted the manitainer.. Mar 18 18:48:22 and its true :P Mar 18 18:48:50 there is a folder called graphvizsrc.. but there a still bins in it.. Mar 18 18:48:54 Stskeeps: Mer or hildon? Mar 18 18:48:58 wazd: hildon Mar 18 18:49:22 is it possible to forcibly remove a package using apt ? i tried to create a script that would run after uninstallation but it doesn't really work and doesn't want to uninstall anymore Mar 18 18:49:23 as in, on my scrshot Mar 18 18:49:31 http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/merui/screenshot02.png Mar 18 18:49:38 I want to build a stable and older version of ubuntu into extras.. so I have to talk about that with jeremaid.. Mar 18 18:49:46 Stskeeps: well, 52x52 is large enough I think Mar 18 18:49:53 k Mar 18 18:50:03 it just doesn't feel too right when touching Mar 18 18:50:14 Stskeeps: I actually don't use hildon menu much, don't know bout the otheres Mar 18 18:50:19 others* Mar 18 18:50:45 bbiab Mar 18 18:51:00 * thopiekar needs to solve that problem before rebuilding all other dependences of mixxx, what he wants to build and maybe make his first porting job with it.. Mar 18 18:51:54 but now I'm wasting my time with building pulseaudio of ubuntu, because fremantle's is almost working with upstart.. Mar 18 18:52:13 and I don't know how diablo would react with it.. Mar 18 18:52:51 Jaffa: ping Mar 18 18:53:22 derf: ping Mar 18 18:54:47 lardman: semi-pomg Mar 18 18:54:51 lardman: Pong. Mar 18 18:54:59 Jaffa: I can't see a way I'm afraid Mar 18 18:55:00 (with baby, one armed and dinner's on) Mar 18 18:55:05 Fairenuf Mar 18 18:55:20 derf: Do you happen to have a QR-code test binary up somewhere that I can link to? http://internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=27508 Mar 18 18:55:31 Jaffa: Sorry Mar 18 18:56:23 Give me a minute. Mar 18 18:57:19 np Mar 18 19:00:20 ~lart Octave C++ build errors Mar 18 19:00:20 * infobot puts on a hockey mask and jumps out at Octave C++ build errors Mar 18 19:00:30 in fact ~lart GCC 3.x Mar 18 19:01:05 You can't build the code with GCC 3.x. Mar 18 19:01:10 It trips multiple compiler bugs. Mar 18 19:01:21 yeah, just noticed that Mar 18 19:02:42 Do you want a version that dumps all kinds of fun debugging images, or just the decoded text? Mar 18 19:03:03 probably just the text, but anything will do I think Mar 18 19:03:15 for someone to try out, etc. Mar 18 19:03:48 QR codes have locator blocks don't they? Mar 18 19:04:48 They have "finder patterns", if that's what you mean. Mar 18 19:04:57 yeah Mar 18 19:05:11 how much work has to be done to find those? Mar 18 19:05:27 Depends on how reliably you want to actually detect them. Mar 18 19:05:45 thinking of some quick identifier code to decide which proper decoder to call first, etc Mar 18 19:06:12 Well, a typical QR code image has lots of bits which _look_ like they might be finder patterns. Mar 18 19:06:42 And... for some reason this binary is segfaulting when the x86 one did not. Mar 18 19:09:18 Well, reverting to current svn still does, so it's not a new regression anyway. Mar 18 19:09:30 * timelE61i runs out of battery Mar 18 19:09:32 Only happens on ~a dozen images out of 200. Mar 18 19:09:48 I don't have time to track it down right now, but I can hand you the binary as-is. Mar 18 19:11:01 http://people.xiph.org/~tterribe/tmp/qrreader Mar 18 19:11:52 ok cool, will pass that on Mar 18 19:12:00 Note that that's for PNG input only, and unless you have a version of iconv that supports SJIS (and maybe CP437), you'll have trouble decoding codes with data in those character sets. Mar 18 19:12:14 ok Mar 18 19:12:46 (it'll still produce output, just not converted to UTF-8) Mar 18 19:12:58 ok Mar 18 19:13:24 Oh, I remember what this segfault is. Mar 18 19:13:35 libpng on the tablets is borken. Mar 18 19:13:44 stupid ping Mar 18 19:13:47 Okey.. now I'm going to try setting up an NFS based chroot build environment. :-) Mar 18 19:13:48 png Mar 18 19:13:49 hmm, is that a known bug? Mar 18 19:13:55 alpha channels are for loosers Mar 18 19:13:57 LOOOSERS Mar 18 19:14:01 Well, libpng knows about it. It's fixed in a later version. Mar 18 19:14:07 fine Mar 18 19:14:08 No idea if maemo knows about it. Mar 18 19:14:20 And maybe I'm just running a really old version of maemo. Mar 18 19:14:53 That binary is for chinook, though it should work in theory on diablo. Mar 18 19:14:58 my scratchbox has /usr/lib/libpng12.so.0.1.2.8 Mar 18 19:15:08 yeah should be fine Mar 18 19:15:14 Yes, so does mine. Mar 18 19:15:33 ok, so no updates to libpng for Diablo then Mar 18 19:15:36 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2422 ?? Mar 18 19:15:52 https://bugs.maemo.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=png for the list Mar 18 19:18:30 what is dh_prep usually doing? Mar 18 19:18:49 eating your lunch out of your locker Mar 18 19:18:54 sadly Mar 18 19:18:57 no clue, Debian stuff ;) Mar 18 19:18:57 :P Mar 18 19:19:10 * lardman heads off to eat Mar 18 19:19:11 why did you give it your combination anyway? Mar 18 19:19:38 hehe. /me used xf86-input-tslib with right-click patch from debian and now have perfect clicking in any app :P Mar 18 19:20:55 Proteous: cracklib2's rulez-file of ubuntu's sources is using it.. but sb1.diablo hasn't got it.. i'm thinking about commenting it out.. Mar 18 19:22:47 Mmmm, crack Mar 18 19:32:47 neat ...maemo made it to GSOC Mar 18 19:56:33 re Mar 18 20:02:21 hey all, im At after school :) Mar 18 20:02:45 ok i gotta switch computers :), brb Mar 18 20:03:22 where do the program icons go Mar 18 20:04:34 i've put mine in a subdir of (i used scalable and a 64x64 png icon) /usr/share/icons/hicolor/ Mar 18 20:05:07 hmmn its the wizard mounter issue Mar 18 20:05:36 ah the no icon appearing in the menu ? Mar 18 20:05:53 yup but rightfully placed in root Mar 18 20:06:02 in ? Mar 18 20:06:03 Shadow__X: http://thpinfo.com/2008/02/maemo-icon-sizes.html Mar 18 20:06:26 wazd: still around? Mar 18 20:06:30 Shadow__X i had that also, but i went to the garage project site and downloaded the 1.2 version that fixed it Mar 18 20:06:42 ah Mar 18 20:06:59 or you could just start a shell and start it manually Mar 18 20:07:35 too much of the typie Mar 18 20:07:39 :) Mar 18 20:07:51 i already do alot of typing on there would like to minimize it Mar 18 20:10:03 btw Jaffa i used that site also for my icons but the 1st 3 lines are wrong it's missing the hi-color subdir at least i think so cause i have it on my N810 and it's there where i placed my icons (/usr/share/icons/hicolor/scalable/apps/) Mar 18 20:10:36 thanks joyrider thanks Jaffa Mar 18 20:10:42 just did 1.2 Mar 18 20:14:09 joyrider: ah yes Mar 18 20:16:25 ok im back :) Mar 18 20:16:26 joyrider/Shadow__X: I got it right here: http://mud-builder.garage.maemo.org/pod/MUD/Package.html#extras (based on thp's info) Mar 18 20:17:10 has anyone seen b-man? Mar 18 20:17:11 (apart from the .service line, doh!) Mar 18 20:17:57 ~seeb b-man Mar 18 20:18:08 ~seen b-man Mar 18 20:18:14 b-man was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 18h 33m 23s ago, saying: 'thanks and no'. Mar 18 20:18:22 so anyone care to test my game before i post it on ITT forums ? http://users.telenet.be/IMS/N810/znax_1.0-1_armel.deb http://users.telenet.be/IMS/N810/znax.html everything should work now (icons are working as is the deb itself etc (took me a whole day to figure out how to create one)) Mar 18 20:18:35 what kind of game Mar 18 20:18:55 just a simple game like bejeweled except that you just form rectangles Mar 18 20:19:05 http://users.telenet.be/IMS/N810/znax.html <- have a look Mar 18 20:19:12 it's a movie of the game Mar 18 20:20:39 it's just a recreation of a flash game i used to play Mar 18 20:24:46 i bought the g1 to use as a modem and a backup to my n800. However it has a terrible battery life, and it is far less open then I thought it would be, any suggestions for a TMo phone to use with the n800 for 3g? Mar 18 20:25:16 also the g1 has no spell checking Mar 18 20:25:27 terrible Mar 18 20:25:47 yigal: they have sony-ericsson k610i? Mar 18 20:25:59 it's close to being a perfect tethering phone for me Mar 18 20:26:44 Stskeeps: ill check it out, ty. Mar 18 20:27:03 Stskeeps: it doesn't do US 3G frequencies. Mar 18 20:27:08 qwerty12_N800: ah. Mar 18 20:27:58 owell Mar 18 20:30:20 there has to be a better solution than the g1 Mar 18 20:31:23 I havent seen a good tmo tethering phone Mar 18 20:31:46 with 3g Mar 18 20:34:10 * Stskeeps ponders if there's anyone who's more capable of hacking up hildon-desktop as he's getting the creeps from gtk at the moment. Mar 18 20:43:49 well the g1 has 3g & tethering - w/extra work - so I guess I'll keep the thing, it even improve w/age? whatever Mar 18 20:46:45 i might have to get a second plan for the next tablet Mar 18 20:47:53 yigal: maybe if you keep the firmware you can do 'reboot' or 'telnetd' on :P Mar 18 20:50:08 (bad connection) Mar 18 20:58:53 yigal, how terrible battery life is terrible? Mar 18 20:59:55 yigal: i'm actually surprised it has bad battery life, i thought android/dalvik would actually work better than hildon-like apps cos of the extensive use of event handlers.. Mar 18 21:00:27 but then again, java.. Mar 18 21:00:33 and overarchitecturing things Mar 18 21:02:04 hi Mar 18 21:02:11 wello Mar 18 21:02:17 is there any gsoc mentor there? Mar 18 21:03:54 i believe http://wiki.maemo.org/GSoC_2009/Mentors has a list Mar 18 21:06:03 thanks, but there only the names of mentors Mar 18 21:06:22 nicknames in () too Mar 18 21:06:55 oh , thats true Mar 18 21:06:57 sorry Mar 18 21:07:06 http://wiki.maemo.org/GSoC_2009 is probably relevant in general Mar 18 21:08:14 thanks again Mar 18 21:14:59 derf/lardman ive not noticed a specific png problem with blending (the bacon was fully blended!) is it simply possible i worked round the damage myself when i was importing and just didnt notice? Mar 18 21:15:28 ie isnt it more likely to be a fault when rendering the png itself Mar 18 21:16:19 lcuk: AFAICT it has something to do with the set of conversion options you specify (programmatically) and is only triggered by paletted images. Mar 18 21:16:32 At least the segfault _I_ was experiencing. Mar 18 21:16:34 fair enough then Mar 18 21:16:38 There may be other blending problems. Mar 18 21:17:09 the blending itself is done by the app engine though isnt it rather than libpng itself Mar 18 21:17:20 VDVsx Mar 18 21:17:38 Depends. The app can do it itself, or it can ask png to blend with the background color specified in the image. Mar 18 21:17:54 (I always do the latter, since I'm not planning on displaying these images on anything) Mar 18 21:17:56 ahh fair enough then Mar 18 21:18:03 i just leave an alpha channel Mar 18 21:18:08 and work it as required Mar 18 21:19:35 ptargino, yes :) Mar 18 21:24:12 re Mar 18 21:28:37 * GeneralAntilles is slowly beginning to hate Ubuntu. Mar 18 21:30:22 lpia seems a bit wacky Mar 18 21:31:14 GeneralAntilles, why ? :P Mar 18 21:31:22 VDVsx, nothing works correctly. Mar 18 21:31:47 and it's generally a royal pain in the ass to use a desktop environment I'm not used to. Mar 18 21:32:38 GeneralAntilles, I don't have complains, but I use gnome for about 6~7 years :) Mar 18 21:32:48 Yes, I started with KDE :) eheheh Mar 18 21:33:01 * Stskeeps uses XP. but is most often in putty. Mar 18 21:33:31 Very little about the arrangement of system settings and configuration makes sense. Mar 18 21:33:57 * qwerty12_N800 did claim to just mainly use ubuntu but Gta got me back into tha xp game Mar 18 21:34:10 b-man: Im trying xchat!, btw what happened to the upload? Mar 18 21:34:27 Leopard + VMWare + Maemo SDK VM is looking more and more appealing. Mar 18 21:34:37 <||cw> sure it does, things that affect only the user account are in one area, things that affect the whole system are in other Mar 18 21:34:44 GeneralAntilles, :D you dont need the sdk Mar 18 21:34:53 xnt: i was kinda forced to disconnect :( Mar 18 21:35:05 lcuk, that may very well turn out to be true with an OMAP3 device. Mar 18 21:35:08 :(. can you reupload it ? Mar 18 21:35:13 i mean normally :P Mar 18 21:35:22 ||cw, go down a step. Mar 18 21:35:29 xnt: yup, doing it now ;) Mar 18 21:35:34 i really do think the o3 will be an amazing step Mar 18 21:35:36 ||cw, the individual control panels and their arrangement is just obnoxious. Mar 18 21:35:46 theres a control panel? Mar 18 21:35:52 thanks!, lol I was getting more and more bored :P Mar 18 21:35:52 i thought it was just a menu Mar 18 21:35:56 The theme selector that goes 10 dialogs deep. Mar 18 21:36:01 lcuk, _panels_ Mar 18 21:36:09 _individual_ Mar 18 21:36:10 heh - i hope you remember to click outside the dialog to close it Mar 18 21:36:13 gan: which is this? Mar 18 21:36:24 xnt: heh Mar 18 21:36:42 b-man: lol Mar 18 21:36:52 :) Mar 18 21:36:53 * xnt is liking xchat Mar 18 21:37:02 timeless, Dellbuntu 8.04 on the Mini 9 is slowly sapping me of all my strength and patience. Mar 18 21:37:05 * GeneralAntilles sighs. Mar 18 21:37:10 * xnt is exploring the menus :) Mar 18 21:37:21 * GeneralAntilles just tried to tap the Mini 9's screen to close the application menu. Mar 18 21:37:32 lol Mar 18 21:37:37 ehhehe Mar 18 21:37:52 8.04 was a rushed pos Mar 18 21:38:07 * lcuk is gonna get an asus eee top Mar 18 21:38:24 xnt: it's quite a nice client :) Mar 18 21:38:35 b-man: I agree Mar 18 21:38:44 qwerty12_N800, unfortunately I don't think I have the energy to arrange installation of 8.10 or something newer. Mar 18 21:39:54 Heh, doesn't sound like you'll like it much better :/, but at the time for me; the 7.10 > 8.04 upgrade was the worst Mar 18 21:40:20 hello, jaem_N810 :) Mar 18 21:40:31 say... how easily serviceable are 5-1/4" floppy drives, for someone in Engineering? Mar 18 21:40:33 jaem_N810: hi Mar 18 21:40:39 hi, b-man, xnt Mar 18 21:40:49 I think mine's toast :( Mar 18 21:40:55 8.04 to 8.10 also brought its shi.. newer network manager so I had to pin the 8.04 version Mar 18 21:41:16 I just found a copy of Electronics Workbench v2.0 :P Mar 18 21:41:21 but it's on floppies Mar 18 21:41:31 jaem_N810: :P Mar 18 21:41:40 and my drive is half-dead Mar 18 21:41:46 hmm Mar 18 21:41:50 qwerty12_N800: lol Mar 18 21:42:00 I wanted it for laughs, mainly, and out of interest Mar 18 21:42:28 the drive spins down shortly after inserting a diskette, and won't spin up until you reinsert it Mar 18 21:42:58 I'm not sure how far gone it is, but I could certainly de/solder things if I have the parts Mar 18 21:43:18 then again, a used drive is probably ~$5 or less Mar 18 21:43:21 74MB on the upload :) Mar 18 21:43:38 b-man: what's the issue with the tarball? Mar 18 21:44:05 jaem: why not buy a new one? Mar 18 21:44:37 the upload got interupted, but don't worry, i'm resuming the upload ;) Mar 18 21:44:53 jaem: are you in the US? Mar 18 21:44:55 at 99% now :) Mar 18 21:45:07 :D YAY!, can't wait :) Mar 18 21:45:21 75MB Mar 18 21:45:34 is there a seprate channel for maemo-gsoc Mar 18 21:45:35 xnt: Canada Mar 18 21:45:40 wait, b-man, how big is it supposed to be? Mar 18 21:45:57 jaem: us, specifically NY Mar 18 21:46:00 and - ooh... the floppy drive has test point posts Mar 18 21:46:15 this could be fun Mar 18 21:46:55 jaem: lol, don't blow it up :P Mar 18 21:46:56 * b-man is froom Bowling Green, Ohio Mar 18 21:46:56 *from Mar 18 21:47:16 b-man: you have verizon dsl? Mar 18 21:47:39 xnt: my old prof said I was lousy at troubleshooting, but he normally said things like that Mar 18 21:48:28 version yes, kinda - i'm borwing my friend's secure connection who has it Mar 18 21:48:46 *verizon :P Mar 18 21:49:28 Stskeeps / yigal: it's entirely possible they're burning it all on the radios :) My older S40 based Nokia was like that, it ate battery in 3-6 hours acting as modem over bluetooth, even if there was absolutely 0 bytes moving the entire time Mar 18 21:49:54 * b-man dislikes his keyboard Mar 18 21:50:05 b-man: I have Verizon FiOS, 5MB up 20MB Down :P , although the router they give you sucks, I swapped it for a WRT54TM (WRT54GL /w 32mb flash) with dd-wrt Mar 18 21:50:40 nice :) Mar 18 21:51:03 xnt: bah! my WRT54GL has 512MB of flash Mar 18 21:51:07 ...currently Mar 18 21:51:09 lol Mar 18 21:51:15 yay SD mod Mar 18 21:51:38 b-man: I have a g15, btw what computer do you have, I have this http://xceleo.com/setup.html , btw my site sucks on resolustions below 1600x1200, and im too lazy to fix it :P I wrote it at 2AM Mar 18 21:51:48 it was fairly touchy soldering work, so a friend of mine did most of it Mar 18 21:51:48 Upload complete: http://www.bman.maemobox.org/projects/ubuntu-n8x0/rootstrap/ubuntu_9.04_n8x0-2.2_rootfs.tgz :D Mar 18 21:51:58 jaem_N810: lol Mar 18 21:52:01 but it works well Mar 18 21:52:04 b-man YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY! Mar 18 21:52:15 b-man: %11111000 Mar 18 21:52:32 b-man: changelog link? Mar 18 21:52:52 b-man: how big is it supposed to be? Mar 18 21:54:18 74 mb Mar 18 21:54:18 xnt: i'm getting a Dell Studio 15 Mar 18 21:54:21 xnt: "picture comming soon"? XD Mar 18 21:54:42 74 mb Mar 18 21:54:45 b-man: ooh Mar 18 21:54:49 its 75MB Mar 18 21:55:17 b-man:yea Im to lazy to upload the pics, ill add them when I update my site :P Mar 18 21:55:28 I have to have some lunch Mar 18 21:55:44 I'll try the new release when I have a chance, b-man Mar 18 21:55:51 k :) Mar 18 21:56:00 * xnt is really happy :) Mar 18 21:56:20 XD Mar 18 21:56:35 b-man: http://i041.radikal.ru/0903/5f/5cf0986d63e7.jpg Mar 18 21:57:15 Stskeeps: Beautiful :) I like it :) Mar 18 21:57:30 It gives my ideas for my own Mer UI Concept :) Mar 18 21:58:42 Stskeeps: Im thinking of having a dedicated terminal tab, and have an option to remove it, for normal users, or have it disabled by default. Mar 18 21:59:25 xnt: interesting effect of taskbar is that when a window in quick switcher has multiple sub-windows, it pops up vertically to let you select the right window Mar 18 22:00:43 Stskeeps: wow 0.o extremely nice!! :D Mar 18 22:00:43 ...butiful Mar 18 22:00:53 * b-man drewls while looking at the screenshot Mar 18 22:00:55 b-man: that's a mockup but we're getting closer to it actually Mar 18 22:01:10 that's really nice :) Mar 18 22:01:39 thanks to zenvoid and wazd :) Mar 18 22:02:11 brilliant!! :D Mar 18 22:02:47 b-man: im making my own mockup, the Idea is to have two UI's one for the desktop (kde/gnome/hildon mix) and the nit one (hildon/the radikal mockup/jaaz's mockup) Mar 18 22:03:15 xnt: nice :) Mar 18 22:03:16 * tabletui's mockup Mar 18 22:03:23 lardman: Actually decoding a QR code is relatively fast. Mar 18 22:03:30 It's _finding_ it that takes forever. Mar 18 22:03:49 xnt: :) Mar 18 22:04:58 * xnt is going to install ubuntu right now :) Mar 18 22:05:29 :) Mar 18 22:07:53 so far so good :) Mar 18 22:08:16 b-man btw, is it possible to install hildon in ubuntu? Mar 18 22:08:35 derf: ok Mar 18 22:09:03 xnt: not quite yet Mar 18 22:09:08 derf: I might try starting threads for the QR and dtmx decoders, hopefully then the ui will remain responsive Mar 18 22:09:12 ok Mar 18 22:09:51 but you could install ubuntu-mid - wich has it's own version of hildon :) Mar 18 22:09:57 Damn! I got an EOF after ./lib/libslang.so.2.1.3 NOOOO! Mar 18 22:10:10 what!?!? Mar 18 22:10:25 * b-man gose nutz Mar 18 22:10:28 b-man did you try downloading it from your maemobox, and extracting it ? Mar 18 22:10:51 i'm trying it now Mar 18 22:11:12 ok Mar 18 22:11:36 lardman: Locating the code could probably be sped up a lot, but doing it without sacrificing its detection ability is a hard problem. Mar 18 22:12:16 (and I want to kill whoever decided that "Double QR" was a good idea) Mar 18 22:14:37 lol Mar 18 22:14:50 anyone know if libgd is available? Mar 18 22:16:11 ah not to worry, I'm sure gnuplot will work without it Mar 18 22:17:24 b-man: whats wrong with the tarball? Mar 18 22:18:11 i'm looking into it now - it's allmost done downloading Mar 18 22:18:18 ok :) Mar 18 22:19:17 Jaffa, ping (auto-hildonization) Mar 18 22:19:58 hay, neatojones :) Mar 18 22:20:00 i'm guessing that it probibly got corrupted when my upload got interupted :( - but i haven't confermed that yet Mar 18 22:20:05 @xnt Mar 18 22:20:52 b-man: :( Mar 18 22:21:07 b-man: what do you mean by @xnt Mar 18 22:21:33 hey Mar 18 22:21:38 what's up b-man Mar 18 22:21:46 is there a Debianism to not make docs? Mar 18 22:22:06 i thought that was normal developer practice :D Mar 18 22:22:11 haha Mar 18 22:22:13 xnt: to let neatojones know that i was talking to you in the 2nd response Mar 18 22:22:16 lardman: export DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS="nodocs" .. i think Mar 18 22:22:27 Stskeeps: cool, thanks Mar 18 22:22:38 oh ok Mar 18 22:22:41 if the package in question supports it Mar 18 22:22:49 hmm Mar 18 22:23:06 neatojones: i think i allmost have the ubuntu-n8x0 2.2 image up :) Mar 18 22:23:21 can I comment the dh_installdocs lines or something like that? Mar 18 22:23:33 b-man: :) Mar 18 22:23:41 XD Mar 18 22:23:53 Nice. I'll give it a shot later. Mar 18 22:23:58 lardman: nah, just installs docs that have already been made Mar 18 22:24:16 * b-man gets done and tests out the archive Mar 18 22:24:21 ok, so where is the doc making actually called frrm? Mar 18 22:24:37 I need someone who's really good with building debs to help me figure out why I keep getting problems with some part of my e17 packages Mar 18 22:24:38 * xnt is waiting patiently :) Mar 18 22:24:40 lardman: configure scripts Mar 18 22:25:06 I think I've figured most of it out....but there are a few things that I just can't figure out. Mar 18 22:26:09 * b-man waches as streams of filenames stream accros the screen Mar 18 22:26:22 :) Mar 18 22:26:28 lardman: in times of desperation, i have been known to remove "docs" from SUBDIRS in Makefile.am & configure (if there is not a flag for not doing so already) Mar 18 22:27:03 WOOHOOO MAEMO GOT IN!!!!! Mar 18 22:27:07 * z4chh dances Mar 18 22:27:36 * z4chh does a fist pump Mar 18 22:28:21 http://maemo.pastebin.com/m2c7a58d7 curious Mar 18 22:30:29 lardman: doctools devkit Mar 18 22:30:31 probably Mar 18 22:31:04 xnt: i think i fixed it - it turned out that it was just 0.999% away from being fully uploaded - my ftp client malfunctioned for some odd reason Mar 18 22:31:12 :) Mar 18 22:31:35 * xnt formats his ext3 partition Mar 18 22:31:41 * b-man hopes he fixed it XD Mar 18 22:31:55 so its uploaded? Mar 18 22:31:59 Stskeeps: I think I have that installed anyway Mar 18 22:32:14 not to worry, have hacked the innards of the rules file, fingers crossed Mar 18 22:33:10 xnt: yes, it's now (fully) uploaded XD Mar 18 22:33:26 YAY! Mar 18 22:33:33 * xnt extracts Mar 18 22:33:52 * xnt downloads *then* untars Mar 18 22:33:53 lol Mar 18 22:34:36 2.35MBPS! Mar 18 22:34:38 i was going to say - you have a fu*k*ng fast connection XD Mar 18 22:34:54 eta 5seconds Mar 18 22:35:08 hmm, interesting demo screenshot linked from the gnuplot page :) http://f3wm.free.fr/linux/gp_girl.html Mar 18 22:35:36 b-man: lol, but I can't host a webserver (port 80 blocked), but for that I have dreamhost :) Mar 18 22:35:42 lardman: hah Mar 18 22:36:10 Stskeeps: I've been wasting my time with phase unwrapping diagrams! Mar 18 22:36:24 yes, there's prettier curves in nature Mar 18 22:36:25 * xnt watches streams of filenames scroll on my screen :P Mar 18 22:36:39 Maths can be fun? Mar 18 22:36:41 lol Mar 18 22:36:55 b-man: so untar, then what? Mar 18 22:37:09 lardman, your sketches are intruiging to me, i would like to subscribe to your newsletter! :D Mar 18 22:37:42 apt-get install sys-env-x - to get the rest of the basic bootable system with xorg Mar 18 22:37:58 when? after I boot into it? Mar 18 22:38:10 I boot into it with bootmenu> Mar 18 22:38:14 lcuk: that's the problem with liqsketch, it remembers *everything*! Mar 18 22:38:17 * > = ? Mar 18 22:38:25 :) Mar 18 22:38:25 you will need to install a desktop first Mar 18 22:38:35 * lardman hates it when the Debian build process fails right at the end Mar 18 22:38:43 unless you want the console XD Mar 18 22:38:49 lardman, thats why i need to be location aware (or context) Mar 18 22:39:01 b-man, so If I boot into it now, I get a console? Mar 18 22:39:02 i want to login to the system with a blank sketch password Mar 18 22:39:10 depending on the password i enter a different dataset Mar 18 22:39:22 theres no visible clue i did something different Mar 18 22:39:46 xnt: if you boot into it now, without sys-env-base or x, it will just reboot Mar 18 22:40:05 * b-man eats dinner Mar 18 22:40:10 I've always thought they should do that for ATMs, 2 PIN numbers, one for normal use, the other for potential muggers Mar 18 22:40:12 i'll be back Mar 18 22:40:13 so I chroot into it? Mar 18 22:40:17 b-man, what's for dinner? :D Mar 18 22:40:20 b-man: WAIT Mar 18 22:40:30 damn Mar 18 22:40:36 xnt, you wanted some food to? :D Mar 18 22:40:40 z4chh: pasta Mar 18 22:40:44 pasta! Mar 18 22:40:56 no, I wanted to know what to do after I untar it? Mar 18 22:41:01 with lots of sauce Mar 18 22:41:47 mmm, making me hungry again Mar 18 22:42:28 lardman, a duress code Mar 18 22:42:36 yep Mar 18 22:42:36 b-man|away: ok I think I got it :) Mar 18 22:42:47 * xnt is chrooting :) Mar 18 22:43:23 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATM_SafetyPIN_software Mar 18 22:43:32 good good, gnuplot packaged ok Mar 18 22:43:57 dont sound so surprised! Mar 18 22:45:14 ;) Mar 18 22:48:30 aaargh, slice again! Mar 18 22:55:31 ~pray that Octave stops using slice Mar 18 22:55:44 infobot: do you not pray!? Mar 18 22:55:45 yes, I not pray!. Mar 18 22:55:50 hmm Mar 18 23:03:01 i'm back :D Mar 18 23:04:48 infobot: do you love to party!? Mar 18 23:04:48 hmm XP Mar 18 23:04:49 yes, I love to party!. Mar 18 23:04:58 b-man : I do everything in the second post? Mar 18 23:04:59 :D Mar 18 23:05:42 in this image, you should only need to install sys-env-x to have a bootable base system Mar 18 23:06:03 so chroot in and run apt-get install sys-env-x Mar 18 23:06:18 yup Mar 18 23:06:22 ok :) Mar 18 23:06:49 * b-man will make a new thread about the newly released 2.2 image when he gets the chance ;) Mar 18 23:07:33 holy crap thats a lot of packages, b0man hit Y? Mar 18 23:07:47 255 to be newly installed Mar 18 23:08:25 ** b-man Mar 18 23:08:35 which device is the external card on the n810 Mar 18 23:08:38 ? Mar 18 23:08:39 not b0man :P damn typos Mar 18 23:09:01 lardman: on mine its mmcblk1p* Mar 18 23:09:09 blk1 Mar 18 23:09:18 thanks Mar 18 23:09:21 np Mar 18 23:09:45 rzr: hi Mar 18 23:10:07 * xnt hits Y :P Mar 18 23:11:15 ok brb Mar 18 23:15:44 xnt: i'm back again XP - my connection is crappy today Mar 18 23:16:03 :P Mar 18 23:16:17 sorry :P Mar 18 23:17:19 hi xnt|Away * Mar 18 23:18:25 anyone seen morpheuz (spelled something like that)? Mar 18 23:18:34 anyone here use garage git? Mar 18 23:18:36 lardman, before you run off, gnite :) Mar 18 23:18:38 xnt: btw, while it's still downloading, i'd suggest that you mount /proc, /tmp, /dev/pts and, /dev in a new terminal window so dpkg can run properly Mar 18 23:19:03 while configuring the packages Mar 18 23:19:11 k Mar 18 23:20:03 I asked Ferenc for access a while back and never chased up... is there another way to get git for my project Mar 18 23:20:35 lcuk: lol Mar 18 23:21:38 lbt: so you need git hosting or git hosting on garage? Mar 18 23:22:02 ideally on garage... Mar 18 23:22:42 but do you know somewhere I could push to and then tidy-up/delete when I get garage working Mar 18 23:23:05 sure, git.or.cz :) Mar 18 23:23:10 i also use assembla Mar 18 23:23:39 still trying to do the n800 jaunty thing Mar 18 23:23:40 err, repo.or.cz of course, also github Mar 18 23:24:00 anyone get b-mans new rootfs to work? Mar 18 23:24:04 ta - never looked b4 :) Mar 18 23:25:04 pinback: im installing it right now :P Mar 18 23:25:17 xnt - its doesnt have a /linuxrc file? Mar 18 23:25:20 its uploaded Mar 18 23:25:39 rm the old tarball, and redownload Mar 18 23:25:51 * xnt|Away is *Away* Mar 18 23:25:51 ok, I'll retry Mar 18 23:25:53 ok Mar 18 23:27:28 where should linuxrc reside? Mar 18 23:29:59 untarring... Mar 18 23:30:53 sshing to my n800 over wifi is actually a better experience than sshing to my HP DL785 8-CPU (32-core) server in London Mar 18 23:31:01 pinback: it'l have a /linuxrc file after sys-env-x installation ;) Mar 18 23:31:19 ah - is there a new step? Mar 18 23:31:19 pinback: lol Mar 18 23:31:57 last time I tried to install sys-env-x it moaned about a bunch of stuff Mar 18 23:32:08 pinback: yup, a entirely new and muc more practical way to install the base system Mar 18 23:32:13 do I install that in maemo or ubuntu? Mar 18 23:32:18 *much Mar 18 23:32:30 hmm, does one have to explicitly tell the linker to link libg2c? Mar 18 23:32:31 ubuntu :P Mar 18 23:32:45 so I need to do an apt-get install sys-env-x after untarring? Mar 18 23:32:50 b-man: do I still have to uninstall the xserver-xorg-input-synaptics? Mar 18 23:32:59 nope Mar 18 23:33:10 xserver-xorg-tslib takes care of that Mar 18 23:33:22 ok its untarred anything more before reboot? Mar 18 23:33:47 b-man: so install sys-env-x and reboot? Mar 18 23:34:08 I need to install sys-env-x:? Mar 18 23:34:22 pinback: yea I think so Mar 18 23:34:22 pinback, xnt, yes, apt-get install sys-env-x and then install a desktop env if you want Mar 18 23:34:34 ubuntu-desktop :D Mar 18 23:34:34 pinback: YES Mar 18 23:34:34 in maemo? Mar 18 23:34:51 xnt: shure :D Mar 18 23:34:58 no chroot into the ubuntu install (I think) Mar 18 23:35:00 pinback: in ubuntu Mar 18 23:35:07 I get like a zillion unmet dependencies Mar 18 23:35:17 0o??? Mar 18 23:35:24 sys-env-x: Depends: sys-env-base but it is not going to be installed Mar 18 23:35:29 Depends: ubuntu-omap-fb-splash but it is not going to be installed Mar 18 23:35:34 Depends: tablet-x (>= 1.8ubuntu1) but it is not going to be installed Mar 18 23:35:38 ... Mar 18 23:35:38 xnt isn't having that issue Mar 18 23:35:44 yup Mar 18 23:35:46 damn Mar 18 23:35:56 * b-man screams Mar 18 23:35:57 pinback still has problems Mar 18 23:36:05 np here :P Mar 18 23:36:18 why wont it install the dependencies? Mar 18 23:36:21 b-man: no need to scream, lol Mar 18 23:36:38 pinback: I don't know :( Mar 18 23:37:02 do apt-get update, I had an unmet dep before Mar 18 23:37:07 and that fixed it Mar 18 23:37:17 oh :) Mar 18 23:37:20 what repo do these live in? Mar 18 23:37:27 * b-man is releaved Mar 18 23:37:45 * Stskeeps goes to bed Mar 18 23:37:50 bmans maemo box, and ubuntu ports (I think) Mar 18 23:37:50 pinback: ubuntu-n8x0, deblet, and mer Mar 18 23:37:57 Stskeeps: bye Mar 18 23:38:09 See ya Stskeeps Mar 18 23:38:50 whats the ubuntu ports repo? Mar 18 23:39:18 that's the acctual ubuntu jaunty repo Mar 18 23:39:35 *actual :P Mar 18 23:39:59 yes whats the sources.lst entry? Mar 18 23:40:32 deb http://ports.ubuntu.com jaunty main restricted universe multiverse Mar 18 23:40:44 deb-src http://ports.ubuntu.com jaunty main restricted universe multiverse Mar 18 23:41:21 thresh: ta http://repo.or.cz/w/shopper.git?a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/gestures Mar 18 23:41:33 b-man: how long is installing sys-env-x going to take? Mar 18 23:41:52 on your 28.8 kbps modem, like 4 days Mar 18 23:41:59 hope you don't get charged by the minute Mar 18 23:42:01 20-45 minutes Mar 18 23:42:07 lbt: cool! Mar 18 23:42:28 b-man: thanks Mar 18 23:42:39 lbt: nice tool, too. will install! :) Mar 18 23:42:39 Proteous: im on fios :P Mar 18 23:42:43 np :) Mar 18 23:43:00 my repo list is ridiculously long now - updating takes minutes Mar 18 23:43:01 thresh: just make sure you don't have qt4.5 yet... Mar 18 23:44:07 irssi freezes at school :P, going to switch to xchat Mar 18 23:44:19 heh Mar 18 23:44:55 at least your school doesn't block you from installing an irc client Mar 18 23:45:01 ok - only 2 missing dependencies now: Mar 18 23:45:06 compiz works on the school computers, lol, my ss teacher shouted what the hell is that, when he saw the cube :P Mar 18 23:45:11 sys-env-x: Depends: sys-env-base but it is not going to be installed Mar 18 23:45:16 Depends: tablet-x (>= 1.8ubuntu1) but it is not going to be installed Mar 18 23:45:21 xnt: lol Mar 18 23:45:39 so does this mean there's an ARM branch of ubuntu now? Mar 18 23:45:44 like debian armle and be? Mar 18 23:45:51 pinback: hmm Mar 18 23:45:52 hi Mar 18 23:45:55 lo Mar 18 23:45:56 hold on Mar 18 23:45:58 k Mar 18 23:46:06 Mousey: Yeah , I think so Mar 18 23:46:10 xnt: wee! Mar 18 23:46:13 @pinback XD Mar 18 23:46:22 ? Mar 18 23:46:22 * lardman wonders how to package up Octave now not having used Debian tools to build it Mar 18 23:46:43 * xnt is bored Mar 18 23:47:04 i have a probleme when i run "apt-get upgrade" on my flashed N810, it reboot when it install maemo-launcher and it don't boot anymore Mar 18 23:47:18 pinback: works fine for me Mar 18 23:47:41 what is tablet-x ? I think thats tghe problem Mar 18 23:47:41 i have to recopy the OS in the flash to the SD card to boot on SD Mar 18 23:48:23 pinback: can you try running apt-get update again? Mar 18 23:48:36 yup will retry Mar 18 23:48:55 Im definately mising a repo someplace Mar 18 23:49:43 pinback: can you pastebin your sources.list file? Mar 18 23:49:55 pastebin.ca Mar 18 23:50:16 ^website Mar 18 23:50:44 google it ;) Mar 18 23:59:57 http://pastebin.ca/1364787 Mar 19 00:00:25 better still can you paste yours? Mar 19 00:00:39 shure Mar 19 00:01:10 is removing sysv-rc bad in fremantle? Mar 19 00:01:39 pinback: ....are you using maemo's sources.list? XD Mar 19 00:01:59 I have no idea - I accumulated them over time Mar 19 00:02:28 * b-man posts the right sourcees.list file on pastebin Mar 19 00:02:54 is this bad? http://xceleo.com/fremantle.png Mar 19 00:03:06 pinback, are you even doing this inside the chroot? .. Mar 19 00:03:08 btw to b-man, this is fremantle not ubuntu, :P Mar 19 00:03:37 chroot? doh! :-) Mar 19 00:04:05 xnt: this is ubuntu :P Mar 19 00:04:32 (ubuntu 9.04 - jaunty) Mar 19 00:04:35 no that screenshot :P, im trying out fremantle Mar 19 00:04:49 btw update on sys-env-x install http://xceleo.com/ubuntu-install.png Mar 19 00:04:53 oh, never mind then XP Mar 19 00:05:10 nevermnid, ITS DONE!!! Mar 19 00:05:13 * xnt faints Mar 19 00:05:15 jk Mar 19 00:05:19 i have officially lost my faith in humanity for tonight. :goes to sleep: Mar 19 00:05:25 ok now what Mar 19 00:05:44 StsN800: bye Mar 19 00:05:48 StsN800: lol Mar 19 00:05:52 lol Mar 19 00:05:58 b-man: now what Mar 19 00:06:21 oooo - zillion new packages need installed Mar 19 00:06:25 this is good right? Mar 19 00:06:48 night all Mar 19 00:06:52 xnt: test it out Mar 19 00:06:58 http://xceleo.com/install-finished.png :D Mar 19 00:07:02 :) Mar 19 00:07:08 now reboot, right? Mar 19 00:07:17 i ment boot XD Mar 19 00:07:20 Need to get 76.4MB of archives. After this operation, 267MB of additional disk space will be used. Mar 19 00:07:24 yup Mar 19 00:07:24 this is cool right? Mar 19 00:07:40 yes Mar 19 00:07:40 pinstack: I got the exact same amount :P Mar 19 00:07:42 yea Mar 19 00:07:48 hit Y Mar 19 00:08:11 * xnt is rebooting Mar 19 00:08:17 done - installing Mar 19 00:08:33 * b-man crosses his fingers Mar 19 00:08:54 xnt, what theme is that? Mar 19 00:09:01 been working with Unix systems for ~20yrs and this install is the first time I used chroot :-) Mar 19 00:09:12 err Mar 19 00:09:16 that looks like xfce Mar 19 00:09:18 aw soooo cool! ubuntu on n800! Mar 19 00:09:26 yup :D Mar 19 00:09:50 way too much hassle to actually install at the moment Mar 19 00:09:55 I see some 404 errors while its installing sys-env-x Mar 19 00:10:08 pinback: longer than i've been around XD Mar 19 00:10:08 pinback: apt-get update Mar 19 00:10:20 ok Mar 19 00:10:20 that fixed it for me :P Mar 19 00:10:49 b-man: crap! I don't have bootmenu anymore!, where do I get it? Mar 19 00:11:12 http://trac.tspre.org/projects/deblet Mar 19 00:11:22 you'll need to reboot Mar 19 00:11:24 ok :) Mar 19 00:11:27 thanks Mar 19 00:11:34 * b-man needs to do something Mar 19 00:12:30 do we really need /etc/apt/sources.lst - shouldnt there be a Google Repo or something? Mar 19 00:13:09 pinstack: where is the deb files for the bootmenu? Mar 19 00:13:16 * are Mar 19 00:13:50 I used the .install file: http://trac.tspre.org/svn/deblet/trunk/deblet-diablo.install Mar 19 00:14:08 ok thanks, btww I have to eat dinner, so ill do this from my nit :) Mar 19 00:14:14 * btw Mar 19 00:14:53 OK, Ubuntu 8.10 looks a lot nicer than 8.04. Mar 19 00:16:23 * b-man reboots his tablet Mar 19 00:18:44 Ubuntu 8.10 known issues: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=966436 Mar 19 00:19:02 Mouse thing was a bummer for me Mar 19 00:19:51 * wazd thinks that he just crapped his pants playing Dead Space Mar 19 00:25:26 is there a way to increase the size of the program instal area? Mar 19 00:25:59 practisevoodoo, not simply, you can clean out a lot of unrequired files though Mar 19 00:26:32 you mean just uninstal stuff? Mar 19 00:31:42 you can install everything to a larger sdhc card Mar 19 00:31:51 b-man: ping! Mar 19 00:32:11 jeam: pong Mar 19 00:33:04 did mine ears hear of a workaround for sound on Ubuntu? (even a poor one?) Mar 19 00:34:38 not yet :( Mar 19 00:34:40 * b-man eatss some cake Mar 19 00:34:45 jaem: Try searching iTT for the deblet way. Mar 19 00:34:48 I heard it worked. Mar 19 00:34:48 *eats :P Mar 19 00:34:56 also, KDE pkgs are out for arm, but they bumped the revision, and they haven't pushed half of the new revision yet Mar 19 00:35:06 * jaem_N810 whips the buildbots Mar 19 00:36:18 "build harder!" Mar 19 00:37:02 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22642&highlight=deblet+sound Mar 19 00:37:06 because of that, I can't install things properly without using the Massive Metapackage of Massive Mar 19 00:37:11 lol - I hope I didnt mistype my password when sys-x-env install prompted me Mar 19 00:37:17 which pulls in lots I don't want :( Mar 19 00:37:35 b-man: ubuntu-desktop is broken :( Mar 19 00:37:57 jaem_N810: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=211224&postcount=1 Mar 19 00:38:22 I haven't tried it, but I've heard it works. Mar 19 00:38:48 xnt: version mismatches? Mar 19 00:39:10 xnt: what desktop did you install? Mar 19 00:39:31 pinback: ubuntu-desktop == GNOME Mar 19 00:39:40 apt-get install ubuntu-desktop Mar 19 00:39:47 ooo - I thought you had a choice Mar 19 00:39:53 pinback, you do Mar 19 00:39:59 xnt: what errors did you incounter? Mar 19 00:40:04 but stock Ubuntu uses GNOME Mar 19 00:40:12 hence the metapackage Mar 19 00:40:23 http://pastebin.com/d3c3cc59a Mar 19 00:40:27 We really need to find a way to use MamonaImageCreatory for Ubuntu/Mer Mar 19 00:40:29 http://dev.openbossa.org/trac/mamona/wiki/MamonaImageCreator#installation Mar 19 00:41:04 it would allow us to extract the closed source components from Maemo Mar 19 00:42:21 * jaem_N810 curses Arch Linux and their lack of arches Mar 19 00:42:29 lol Mar 19 00:42:30 architectures*, that is Mar 19 00:42:36 it would be nice on the NITs Mar 19 00:42:38 slim Mar 19 00:43:45 b-man: http://pastebin.com/d3c3cc59a , :( Mar 19 00:44:00 b-man: if I glue an Atom to my N810, I can run x86 code, right? :D Mar 19 00:44:13 shure XD Mar 19 00:44:16 jaem_N810: that made me lol Mar 19 00:44:26 will it impact power consumption? Mar 19 00:44:39 or give me superpowers? Mar 19 00:44:55 yay - sys-env-x is installed!!! :-) now what? Mar 19 00:44:59 * xnt is very sad right now :( Mar 19 00:45:14 * jaem_N810 smacks xnt over the head with the happy stick Mar 19 00:45:17 xnt: don't worrie ;) Mar 19 00:45:23 lol Mar 19 00:45:27 do I reboot first or ap-get desktop? Mar 19 00:45:38 b-man. jaem: thanks, lol, ubuntu-desktop is broken Mar 19 00:45:52 pinback: you'd probably want to install your desktop first Mar 19 00:45:55 pinback try apt-get install ubuntu-desktop Mar 19 00:45:57 i'll try and fix that ;) Mar 19 00:46:01 ok - lets see what happens Mar 19 00:46:06 pinback: wati Mar 19 00:46:08 wait Mar 19 00:46:13 ? Mar 19 00:46:14 LXDE is more lightweight than GNOME - you could give that a try Mar 19 00:46:19 * pinback almost hit enter Mar 19 00:46:35 apt-get install ubuntu-desktop matchbox-keyboard Mar 19 00:46:49 thats just in case you have a n800 (no kb) Mar 19 00:46:50 that it? Mar 19 00:46:56 yup I do Mar 19 00:47:04 then make a bootmenu entry Mar 19 00:47:14 already got one Mar 19 00:47:15 xnt, b-man: is there a popup OSK like the one in hildon Mar 19 00:47:42 pinback: ok Mar 19 00:47:52 I got the same error as you xnt Mar 19 00:47:56 I have an N810, but I was curious Mar 19 00:47:59 zillion Depens... Mar 19 00:48:27 pinback, xnt: check the timestamps on the pkgs in the repos Mar 19 00:48:28 pinback: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=254257&postcount=2 Mar 19 00:48:47 maybe they're doing a rebuild of some other pkgs too Mar 19 00:49:06 Hi, I am trying to find my N800 in my house, I can ssh and I have the idea of playing a sound file from the commandline to find my device. Any Ideas? Mar 19 00:49:06 KDE pkgs are in-progress Mar 19 00:49:25 xnt: whats that for? Mar 19 00:49:26 mplayer can be used from cli, right? Mar 19 00:49:26 jaem: I have a N810, yea matchbox-keyboard is the soft kb Mar 19 00:49:36 oh yea thanks jaem_N810 Mar 19 00:49:39 tank-man: apt-get install sox, if you can Mar 19 00:49:49 xnt: but you have to manually open and close it,right? Mar 19 00:49:56 can't apt-get cause it says the gui package manager is open Mar 19 00:50:16 killall hildon-application-manager Mar 19 00:50:31 jaem: it starts at boot Mar 19 00:50:41 xnt: any ideas how to fix the desktop? Mar 19 00:50:55 no Mar 19 00:51:12 b-man is trying to fix it :) Mar 19 00:51:20 k Mar 19 00:52:00 b-man: the main thread said installing Mer xkb-data fixes Fn key Mar 19 00:52:10 * xnt wants his ubuntu-n810, but is patient :) Mar 19 00:52:14 I already had it installed, and it didn't work, last I checked Mar 19 00:52:28 xnt: me too, but I'm slightly less patient Mar 19 00:52:33 lol Mar 19 00:52:38 * pinback is totally impatient Mar 19 00:52:39 lol Mar 19 00:52:52 b-man's doing an excellent job, though Mar 19 00:53:00 yea Mar 19 00:53:15 :) Mar 19 00:53:28 what the heck? If I type -> at the end of the msg entry box in xchat, focus jumps to the topic Mar 19 00:53:42 which is why I borked it earlier, without noticing Mar 19 00:54:44 have you folks seen any good deals on BT folding keyboards? Mar 19 00:54:49 -> Mar 19 00:54:59 "good" as in "affordable on a student budget" Mar 19 00:55:10 b-man: I meant right-arrow on the D-pad Mar 19 00:55:19 oh, lol Mar 19 00:55:30 * jaem_N810 laughs at b-man Mar 19 00:55:37 XD Mar 19 00:56:42 * xnt presses right arrow on his n810 :P Mar 19 00:56:54 hmm... apparently ubuntu-desktop is broken in the ubuntu jaunty repositorys 0o nooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Mar 19 00:56:57 b-man: to start KDE with KDM, it's just the normal inittab setting and all that, right? Mar 19 00:57:22 b-man: any way to fix it? Mar 19 00:57:38 apt-get install tablet-kdm-autologin - i believe Mar 19 00:57:44 jaem: get a nice rubber one for $10 Mar 19 00:57:51 xnt: not shure Mar 19 00:57:52 with a usb connection Mar 19 00:57:59 ::( Mar 19 00:57:59 ah... but what if I don't want it to login in automatically Mar 19 00:58:33 pinback: I could, but they're pretty junky, are hard to type on, and don't roll small enough Mar 19 00:58:33 kdm will stsrt automaticly then Mar 19 00:58:59 oh right - apt automagically sets that up, doesn't it Mar 19 00:59:09 b-man: I'd rather have a password Mar 19 00:59:16 lol, everyone asks to see my nit, so I put the passcode lock, I could just setup a kb shortcut in ubuntu , to lock the screen Mar 19 00:59:29 * seem my nit at school Mar 19 00:59:38 **see Mar 19 00:59:44 lol Mar 19 00:59:48 ? Mar 19 01:00:00 oh lol Mar 19 01:00:12 repost: lol, everyone at asks to see my nit, so I put the passcode lock, I could just setup a kb shortcut in ubuntu , to lock the screen Mar 19 01:00:33 is there a windows flasher tool? Mar 19 01:00:46 btw b-man, is it possible to lock the screen like in maemo, on ubuntu Mar 19 01:00:48 pavlov: yes, but it's slow as heck Mar 19 01:00:53 in my experience Mar 19 01:00:56 ah Mar 19 01:01:01 Nokia BT keyboard is $60 inc ship on Amazon Mar 19 01:01:03 xnt: yes Mar 19 01:01:07 check the Nokia website, under support Mar 19 01:01:09 how? Mar 19 01:01:15 suspend mode Mar 19 01:01:20 pinback: USD? Mar 19 01:01:29 yup Mar 19 01:01:31 b-man: how fast is it? Mar 19 01:01:36 ffrom on to suspens Mar 19 01:01:42 pritty fast Mar 19 01:01:42 * suspend Mar 19 01:01:46 http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000HLWPGO Mar 19 01:01:52 b-man: do you mean suspend as in s2ram, or "idle" like in Maemo Mar 19 01:02:02 pinback: I think I saw that Mar 19 01:02:05 it looked nice Mar 19 01:02:06 so I can map it to the lock slider on my n810 to suspend? Mar 19 01:02:16 but a bit more than I can afford right now Mar 19 01:02:17 jeam: like in maemo Mar 19 01:02:21 nice Mar 19 01:02:25 I got an igo slim for $30 on sale once but they all seem to be ~$90 now Mar 19 01:02:35 b-man: it's jaem* :P Mar 19 01:02:49 b-man: how long does your battery last in ubuntu? Mar 19 01:02:55 * b-man can conferm ubuntu-desktop is broken in ubuntu 9.04 upstream btw :( Mar 19 01:03:07 bman: whats the plan with ubuntu-desktop? is there any hope? Mar 19 01:03:08 :( Mar 19 01:03:36 pinback: someon on itT was selling an N800 bundle with the IGO Mar 19 01:03:45 pinback: i'm shure it's just a temporary problem Mar 19 01:03:57 I dropped him a PM to see if I could just get the kbd, but I haven't heard back Mar 19 01:03:58 it'l be back ;) Mar 19 01:04:02 apt0get update and retry? Mar 19 01:04:10 * jaem_N810 's thumbs hurt :( Mar 19 01:04:16 lol Mar 19 01:04:29 pinback: shure Mar 19 01:04:39 hmmm Mar 19 01:04:49 * xnt does the same Mar 19 01:04:58 xnt: there's still definite hope Mar 19 01:05:29 b-man: what will happen if I reboot? Mar 19 01:05:39 * boot into ubuntu Mar 19 01:05:49 will I go to the shell? Mar 19 01:06:01 you will see a splash Mar 19 01:06:06 thats it? Mar 19 01:06:48 but if you press home+menu you can go into the rescue menu to boot into the console Mar 19 01:07:15 xnt: untill you get a desktop installed ;) Mar 19 01:07:22 jaem: you can get a nice BT mini mouse for $9.99 right now Mar 19 01:07:36 * xnt will try that :) Mar 19 01:07:45 :) Mar 19 01:08:03 pinback: where? Mar 19 01:08:14 hopefully the ubuntu-desktop will be fixed soon :) Mar 19 01:08:16 xnt: re; press home+power - sorry Mar 19 01:08:24 b-man: can I easily make the hw buttons do anything useful? Mar 19 01:08:30 or do they already? Mar 19 01:08:38 b-man: home button? Mar 19 01:08:52 yes Mar 19 01:08:54 do you mean the swap windows button? Mar 19 01:09:05 http://thermaltakestore.com/year-end-sales.html - doh! all sold out - they were there this morning Mar 19 01:09:10 yes Mar 19 01:09:13 Im on an n810 Mar 19 01:09:18 ok :) Mar 19 01:10:25 I wonder why screen fades only on sub-hildon-menu in Maemo 5 Mar 19 01:11:42 b-man: are the hw keys just mapped to normal codes, or handled separately? Mar 19 01:12:39 they're handled by xserver-xorg-input-evdev Mar 19 01:12:47 +hal Mar 19 01:13:03 Man the Ubuntu repos are slow. Mar 19 01:13:24 GA: ports is, anyways Mar 19 01:13:36 GeneralAntilles: ubuntu-desktop is broken in jaunty :( Mar 19 01:13:39 they have some good mirrors for my area, normally Mar 19 01:13:44 b-man: thanks Mar 19 01:13:54 I've been getting about 20-70KB/sec all day. Mar 19 01:14:07 ubuntu-desktop dead dead dead Mar 19 01:14:19 :( Mar 19 01:14:33 GA: ouch - it's been around 120-400 for me Mar 19 01:14:40 * b-man listens to his music Mar 19 01:14:48 but that's still slow, compared to what I'm used to Mar 19 01:14:57 * jaem_N810 listens to b-man's music too Mar 19 01:15:03 lol Mar 19 01:15:08 * jaem_N810 is not sure how he manages this Mar 19 01:15:31 * xnt turns on his surround sound system, and listens to his music Mar 19 01:15:37 "all amarican rejects gives you hell" Mar 19 01:15:54 got any Motorhead? Mar 19 01:16:02 nope Mar 19 01:16:06 * jaem_N810 turns on his peizo buzzer, and cries at xnt's cruelty Mar 19 01:16:27 jaem: moip (musicoverirc protocol :P Mar 19 01:16:34 justt kidding - I have a respectable set of Logitech speakers, but nothing fancy Mar 19 01:16:59 xnt: can run that over IPoA? Mar 19 01:17:10 * xnt has gone deaf, by listening to his music at insanely loud voumes Mar 19 01:17:19 lol Mar 19 01:17:22 jaem: What? Mar 19 01:17:25 ipod? :) Mar 19 01:17:26 will kde-desktop work? Mar 19 01:17:31 I cant hear you Mar 19 01:17:37 xnt: google RFC 1149 Mar 19 01:17:49 jaem : just kidding Mar 19 01:17:54 pinback: if you wait a few minutes, I'll let you know Mar 19 01:18:00 cool Mar 19 01:18:06 * pinback likes fluxbox best Mar 19 01:18:08 xnt: you can see what i'm typing can't you? XD Mar 19 01:19:36 * xnt is using a screen reader , and has shut off his monitor Mar 19 01:19:40 :P Mar 19 01:20:03 it takes forever, so you may want to see how it works for me Mar 19 01:20:18 Im surprised that Reuters didnt claim RFC 1149 violated their IP Mar 19 01:20:28 oh? Mar 19 01:20:30 why? Mar 19 01:20:36 "Reuter saw there was an opportunity to speed up news service between Brussels and Berlin by using homing pigeons to bridge that gap in the telegraph lines." Mar 19 01:20:40 * xnt is bored Mar 19 01:21:14 ended up in the largest digital network (outside of internet/military/academic) in the work Mar 19 01:21:17 so what's the magic key combo to boot into ubuntu after running refresh_bootmenu.d and restarting? Mar 19 01:21:25 s/work/world Mar 19 01:21:40 first data via pigeons => reuters Mar 19 01:21:50 first data over undersea cable => reuters Mar 19 01:22:00 first commercial data over satelite => reuters Mar 19 01:22:04 oh really... Mar 19 01:22:05 huh Mar 19 01:22:06 all started with pigeons Mar 19 01:22:12 that's actually rather interesting Mar 19 01:22:14 ~burn himself Mar 19 01:22:15 * infobot pours gasoline all over himself, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze Mar 19 01:22:18 lol Mar 19 01:22:25 it's almost too bad, in a way, that they weren't sued... Mar 19 01:22:34 if only because it would have made an awesome headline Mar 19 01:22:35 Brian`: lol Mar 19 01:22:36 XD Mar 19 01:22:50 lol Mar 19 01:23:09 Brian`: wouldn't that create toxic fumes, that would make the marshmallows possibly unfit for human consumption? Mar 19 01:23:19 or are we just burning infobot's bits Mar 19 01:23:21 tehnically the pigoen thing was in prewar Germany and Reuters moved to London - that might have had something to do with it Mar 19 01:23:25 yes XD Mar 19 01:23:28 and not they physical medium Mar 19 01:23:42 but he's burning Mar 19 01:23:55 while eating marshmellows Mar 19 01:23:56 gah Mar 19 01:23:56 damn, they havea lmit on irc nicks Mar 19 01:24:03 * length limit Mar 19 01:24:05 man my thumbs were getting sore Mar 19 01:24:09 ** limit Mar 19 01:24:14 my laptop's wlan is having issues Mar 19 01:24:17 they dont want nickflooding Mar 19 01:24:20 or possibly it's NM's fault Mar 19 01:24:38 anyhow, it took me a couple hours to remember that I keep 2x 30' cables around for a reason Mar 19 01:24:39 ~blow up Mar 19 01:24:40 * infobot blows up Mar 19 01:24:41 * xnt|carfulbecaus uses an externel kb when he is on IRC with his n820, for extended periods of time Mar 19 01:24:45 *n810 Mar 19 01:24:48 lol Mar 19 01:25:02 xnt: @n820 - you got my hopes up :( Mar 19 01:25:03 lol Mar 19 01:25:27 * sidnei reads scrollback Mar 19 01:25:28 lol Mar 19 01:25:30 you know what I want? Mar 19 01:25:31 so home+power? Mar 19 01:25:44 Openmoko, modded into a wrist-comptuer Mar 19 01:25:47 sidnei: thats the recovery menu Mar 19 01:26:00 that would be epic Mar 19 01:26:14 but if you want to boot into a console you use that option Mar 19 01:26:18 xnt: oh. so does the boot menu come up automatically? or there's another combo? Mar 19 01:26:21 there are only a couple of wrist computers out there, and they don't fit my taste Mar 19 01:26:33 and the specs are lousy Mar 19 01:26:35 you press the menu button Mar 19 01:26:35 infobot: attack everyone and everything Mar 19 01:26:36 * infobot grabs a pen, screams like she's possessed, and begins chasing everyone and everything Mar 19 01:26:37 and they cost a fortune Mar 19 01:26:44 runs Mar 19 01:26:51 lol Mar 19 01:26:52 xnt: what's the menu button? Mar 19 01:26:58 xnt: erm, which one Mar 19 01:27:06 are you on an n810 or n800 Mar 19 01:27:09 infobot is female? Mar 19 01:27:10 * infobot confuses all the nearby males Mar 19 01:27:18 lol Mar 19 01:27:22 lol Mar 19 01:27:23 that was a question Mar 19 01:27:25 lol Mar 19 01:27:32 that it apparently has provisions for Mar 19 01:27:32 touche Mar 19 01:27:39 ~shag Mar 19 01:27:40 * infobot strips and bends over.. give it to me baby ;) Mar 19 01:27:43 XP Mar 19 01:27:54 xnt: n810 Mar 19 01:28:16 slide out the keyboard, its there under the d-pad Mar 19 01:28:33 xnt: oh of course Mar 19 01:28:38 lol Mar 19 01:28:41 lol Mar 19 01:28:45 regarding the wrist computer I saw, if a handheld computer has a 3.5" *QVGA* screen, and not much else that's any better, I >do not< expect the price to say "contact our sales dept" Mar 19 01:28:56 lol Mar 19 01:29:01 heh Mar 19 01:29:07 lol Mar 19 01:29:09 I'm waiting for a good one Mar 19 01:30:01 * xnt straps his n810 to his wrist, and uses that as a wrist computer Mar 19 01:30:17 it's too bad one-of runs are mind-bogglingly expensive... I'm in CompEng, after all, and by the time I'm done, trying to rework the Freerunner might be a reasonable goal Mar 19 01:30:27 but getting it built would be ridiculous Mar 19 01:30:39 xnt: yeah, but that doesn't work so well Mar 19 01:31:00 is there a Dasher input method available for Maemo? Mar 19 01:31:22 I had completely forgot about Dasher, but I'vebeen wanting to try it on a touchscreen device for a while Mar 19 01:32:19 I think it's in the Ubuntu repos, but I was hoping for an integrated version, like the handwriting pad, and such Mar 19 01:33:13 pinback: it's till going to be a little while Mar 19 01:33:35 there's a heck of a lot of packages in the kubuntu-desktop meta-package Mar 19 01:33:44 which is why I advised you to wait :P Mar 19 01:34:13 it will surely need to be slimmed down to run at all useably, if it will work well even then Mar 19 01:34:14 we'll see Mar 19 01:34:37 * jaem checks the plasma-mid commits agin Mar 19 01:34:41 again* Mar 19 01:35:40 hay, qole :D Mar 19 01:35:46 hey qole Mar 19 01:35:58 hi all Mar 19 01:36:21 hi qole Mar 19 01:36:26 qole: regarding your post about UBC wifi, what type of encryption/auth do they use there? Mar 19 01:36:38 I Mar 19 01:36:51 I've only been down there once since I got my tablet Mar 19 01:36:59 qole: it's been a while since you've been i irc Mar 19 01:37:01 hold on, i got a link Mar 19 01:37:10 and I think that must have been while it was in for service, or I would have tried EDUROAM Mar 19 01:37:26 b-man: not a big fan of irc Mar 19 01:37:41 qole: I am, but it can eat up SO much time... Mar 19 01:39:28 http://www.it.ubc.ca/internet/wireless/wpa/wirelesswpanokia.html Mar 19 01:39:35 qloe: hehe Mar 19 01:40:08 jaem: that works for my n800 Mar 19 01:40:31 ah... Mar 19 01:40:39 * b-man needs to go - will be back in about 25-36 minutes Mar 19 01:40:41 yeah, we use TTLS-PAP Mar 19 01:40:47 (at Sfoo, that is) Mar 19 01:41:09 it's really annoying that Nokia doesn't seem to think that supporting that is a priority Mar 19 01:41:28 MS-CHAP Mar 19 01:41:35 maybe it isn't the highest priority, but as my friend pointed out... it's an >internet< tablet Mar 19 01:41:46 it should be able to connect to the internet by an common means Mar 19 01:42:04 oh well - Mer should support that, right? Mar 19 01:42:32 qole: it would be more bearable if Maemo supported global SOCKS proxies Mar 19 01:42:39 meh, the NIT works at real universities Mar 19 01:42:41 but most of the apps can't easily be tunneled Mar 19 01:42:48 ;) Mar 19 01:42:49 * jaem glares at qole Mar 19 01:42:50 hehe Mar 19 01:43:01 qole: what's your major? Mar 19 01:43:28 jaem: employee not student Mar 19 01:43:37 still no ubuntu desktops? Mar 19 01:43:46 * pinback is jumping in and out to watch Idol Mar 19 01:44:01 tsocks can tunnel a lot of stuff, tho Mar 19 01:44:04 hey qole Mar 19 01:44:18 thanks for testing that e17 stuff Mar 19 01:44:24 Sorry, you didn't find the keyboard more useful. Mar 19 01:44:36 qole: ah - my mistake Mar 19 01:44:49 what's your job, in that case? Mar 19 01:44:54 neatojones, hi, I was just testing e17 as a replacement desktop Mar 19 01:44:55 It looks like it has a lot of potential. We just need to tweak it all a bit. Mar 19 01:45:13 yeah. Mar 19 01:45:17 neatojones: are you using Illume, or normal E? Mar 19 01:45:22 Illume Mar 19 01:45:29 it looked nice Mar 19 01:45:32 there's another keyboard available for normal illume Mar 19 01:45:44 but, it looks like a pretty version of the one mer is already using Mar 19 01:45:46 can you put the slide-out whatchamacallits on the sides? Mar 19 01:46:00 huh? Mar 19 01:46:39 I just built ecore packages which I'm hoping will fix the 16bit issues. Mar 19 01:47:10 the 16bit libraries compiled...but I'm not sure if they made it into the debs or not (because I'm not sure what files I need to include) Mar 19 01:47:26 I forget the E17 term, but I'm wondering if the panels that slide out from the top and bottom in the Illume demo video can be configured to appear on the left and right Mar 19 01:47:29 but, I'm pretty sure that is why the easy_e17 looks nicer than the debs Mar 19 01:47:41 I've not tried it, Mar 19 01:47:45 but I bet they could Mar 19 01:47:47 hmm Mar 19 01:47:52 methinks that might work better Mar 19 01:47:59 basically...android Mar 19 01:48:05 I mentioned that to Raster Mar 19 01:48:10 -the main e develop Mar 19 01:48:16 developer* Mar 19 01:48:19 admittedly, I haven't tried it yet, but the demo I saw was on the Freerunner, and given the difference in form-factor Mar 19 01:48:26 he said he was planning on doing some stuff like that and overhauling illume Mar 19 01:48:27 yeah, I know who Raster is Mar 19 01:48:33 whata was that about Android, though? Mar 19 01:48:36 oh, nice Mar 19 01:48:45 it looks like it could be an awesome phone UI Mar 19 01:48:52 Well, checkout qoles screenshots Mar 19 01:48:55 although I like my N810 more desktopy Mar 19 01:49:00 I think it does better in portrait Mar 19 01:49:05 qole: are they on your flickr page? Mar 19 01:49:06 just need to make the keyboard bigger Mar 19 01:49:14 neatojones: that's what I was getting at Mar 19 01:49:26 we don't have xrandr support yet in mer :( Mar 19 01:49:29 jaem: yes Mar 19 01:49:45 qole...did you see the page I linked to on iTT? Mar 19 01:49:52 it tells how to make custom keyboards Mar 19 01:49:59 I think we can make a custom one that will work better Mar 19 01:50:18 honestly, the landscape keyboard takes up less space on mine than the maemo one does. Mar 19 01:50:33 I can see a whole lot more screen when it's up. But I see the problem with scrolling too Mar 19 01:50:48 the main problem with it, to me, is that you haev to keep opening and closing it. Mar 19 01:51:00 so, I turned off the animations and that makes it all go a bit faster. Mar 19 01:51:30 http://www.flickr.com/photos/qole2/ Mar 19 01:52:22 why's my Illume keyboard so fat, then? Mar 19 01:52:49 Way bigger than Maemo stylus kbd Mar 19 01:54:22 I'm referring to this one: http://tbn1.google.com/images?q=tbn:aUGNGDaQcsqhAM:http://pocketables.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/2007/08/16/nokia_n800_thumboard.jpg Mar 19 01:54:35 qole: did you try switching to the terminal keyboard? Mar 19 01:54:42 I don't remember how much space it takes up. Mar 19 01:54:55 I actually prefer the terminal keyboard Mar 19 01:54:56 what would happen if I removed the deblet bootmenu and installed the mer one, Im installing Mer on my Spare SD Mar 19 01:55:06 neatojones: same size, more keys Mar 19 01:55:15 xnt: the sun would implode, obviously Mar 19 01:55:17 why even ask Mar 19 01:55:35 qole: you must not be referring to the same one as I am (see the link I posted) Mar 19 01:55:45 sooooo, will mer boot of of my deblet menu? Mar 19 01:55:49 re: the maemo onscreen keyboard Mar 19 01:56:21 * xnt is bored of maemo Mar 19 01:56:26 * jaem is too Mar 19 01:56:29 * xnt wants mer Mar 19 01:56:37 +ubuntu Mar 19 01:56:37 I'm really looking fwd to Mer .11, with more Fremantle UI Mar 19 01:56:42 * jaem wants a KDE mobile edition Mar 19 01:56:44 or mor Mar 19 01:56:45 mer* Mar 19 01:56:56 or both Mar 19 01:57:03 qole: same here :P Mar 19 01:57:07 QUADRUPLE BOOT! Mar 19 01:57:20 * jaem will have to get some bigger SD cards Mar 19 01:57:52 * qole goes to eat dinner Mar 19 01:58:46 * xnt wants 32gb sd for maemo(cloned)+nitdroid+ubuntu+mer+kde(pb's) Mar 19 01:59:18 jaem: would mer boot on my deblet bootmenu? Mar 19 01:59:20 yeah Mar 19 01:59:26 * xnt installs mer Mar 19 01:59:37 xnt: as long as you write up the *.item properly, I would assume so Mar 19 01:59:48 I'm not entirely sure what the bootmenu situation is Mar 19 02:00:48 I wish that stskeeps was here to clarify Mar 19 02:00:59 * xnt doesn't want to screw up his nit Mar 19 02:01:36 say, I saw a package available for Arch that would allow you to feed an arbitrary video stream into Skype... is it possible to make the N810 serve as a networked webcam? Mar 19 02:01:40 jaem: Try going over to #e on freenode and make a request for side shelfs instead of top/bottom Mar 19 02:02:10 while your at it, as how we can change the onscreen keyboard size ;P Mar 19 02:02:14 neatojones: willdo Mar 19 02:02:23 anyone got an ubuntu desktop yet? Mar 19 02:02:36 thanks Mar 19 02:02:38 i'm back Mar 19 02:02:40 jaem: yeah, I saw a gstreamer tut on the wiki, but it was slow Mar 19 02:02:45 hi bman Mar 19 02:02:55 hi, xnt Mar 19 02:03:16 b-man: can I boot mer on my deblet bootmenu? Mar 19 02:03:19 bman: still no desktops here - do you have any? Mar 19 02:03:38 pinback: no still broken Mar 19 02:03:39 nope :( Mar 19 02:04:06 qole: The lack of a good option for a menu in e17 is a drawback too. Mar 19 02:04:06 * b-man16 thinks that it could be ubuntu's servers Mar 19 02:04:19 Let me know if you come up with any good alternatives to gnome-menus Mar 19 02:04:24 is the repo down or are the packes missing? Mar 19 02:04:33 *packages Mar 19 02:04:49 i think that the repo is partly down Mar 19 02:05:47 i want to rsync my old home directory back to my n810 but i need to avoid the remote filessyten folder would rsync source dest --ignore=/Mydocs/Remote_filesystem be it Mar 19 02:06:50 xnt: yes Mar 19 02:06:57 thanks Mar 19 02:07:05 * xnt continues installing mer Mar 19 02:07:33 b-man, that look right Mar 19 02:08:51 i'm not quite shure, i haven't used rsynk Mar 19 02:10:10 rsync can use tar style -exclude /Mydocs/Remote_filesystem Mar 19 02:10:17 regular Linux rsync anyway Mar 19 02:10:40 ah ok Mar 19 02:11:30 http://articles.slicehost.com/2007/10/10/rsync-exclude-files-and-folders Mar 19 02:12:13 * b-man wonders what the ubuntu jaunty people are up to with the repo Mar 19 02:12:34 * xnt had to dig through 38 tar archives to get the mer bootmenu.d files :P Mar 19 02:12:48 * tar and debfiles Mar 19 02:13:35 hmm Mar 19 02:13:52 damn Mar 19 02:13:58 I didn't find it :( Mar 19 02:14:11 does anyone have the mer bootmenu.d file? Mar 19 02:14:29 * b-man grabs one Mar 19 02:14:46 b-man, d you have it? Mar 19 02:14:49 I guess we can try this if we cant get the desktop up: http://liquidweather.net/howto/index.php?id=74 Mar 19 02:15:20 xnt: i'll pastebin one for you Mar 19 02:15:43 thanks Mar 19 02:16:05 pinback: lol Mar 19 02:17:02 lol, or this: http://www.meow.org.uk/stan/xserver/ Mar 19 02:17:51 xnt: http://pastebin.ca/1364862 Mar 19 02:18:19 meow.org.... lol XD Mar 19 02:18:46 thanks :) Mar 19 02:18:56 np :) Mar 19 02:21:40 alright guys what do you think of this project idea...an app with GUI in a similar style to that of liqbase that can be used to monitor all of the systems on your network...you get updates on cpu usage, processes, ram usage, etc.. Mar 19 02:22:15 pinback: that's amazing - I'll have to try that sometime Mar 19 02:22:23 I wrote a proprietary realtime monitoring system for a large linux deployment not so long ago Mar 19 02:23:01 pinback, cool :D ..maybe i can come to you for pointers? Mar 19 02:24:08 sure :-) Im not on IRC much tho Mar 19 02:24:29 you can get a ton of interesting stuff from /proc Mar 19 02:24:57 imagine little icons with the machine host name at the bottom..you click..and up pops up something similar to conky for that system...you can config what to monitor, view Mar 19 02:25:19 for example hah Mar 19 02:25:48 as well as the usual CPU, nenory, disk, interrupt type stuff you can also get socket receive/transmit queues, Kernel I/O stats, etc. etc. Mar 19 02:26:03 i had pidgin with 94% cpu usage on my laptop...i didn't know it until my machine got warm/hot...if i had this app i could monitor it and possibly kill the process Mar 19 02:26:43 pinback: my tablet didn't like installing that many packages at once, and rebooted itself >_< Mar 19 02:26:47 need more swap Mar 19 02:26:53 http://xceleo.com/ascii.png mplayer aa lol Mar 19 02:26:54 doh! Mar 19 02:28:02 would anyone want to install an app like that? >.< Mar 19 02:28:47 z4chh: I think it's a good idea, although I'm not sure if I would personally have much of a use for it on a tablet Mar 19 02:29:02 only because I'm in and out of wifi so often that it would be less useful Mar 19 02:29:08 but I'd say go for it Mar 19 02:29:20 :D Mar 19 02:29:27 oh wait Mar 19 02:29:32 I may have misread Mar 19 02:29:55 were you suggesting an "info center" app for the tablet, or a way to remotely monitor other machines? Mar 19 02:29:58 Actually I found it pretty interesting when I did it - you find all sorts of interesting things Mar 19 02:30:47 i.e. ls -al /proc//fd shows you all the open files and sockets for a process Mar 19 02:31:09 * jaem just remembered something amusing, but can't remember where it came from Mar 19 02:31:15 just like lsof but nowhere near as expensive Mar 19 02:31:18 i was thinking of a system monitor type app. Mar 19 02:31:33 system monitoring is really easy... Mar 19 02:31:35 what do you mean info center? o.o Mar 19 02:31:41 "checking if build environment is sane. build environment is grinning and holding a spatula - guess not." -- was that from xkcd's alt text at some point? Mar 19 02:32:02 jaem: It sometimes runs out of memory and reboots. Try using more swap or activating it if it isn't already Mar 19 02:32:18 z4chh: I was asking if you were making an app that would give information about the local machine (e.g. tablet), or one to remotely monitor other machines (e.g. servers, etc.) Mar 19 02:32:33 neatojones: I have 256MB as it is... I thought that would be enough :O Mar 19 02:32:35 lol Mar 19 02:32:39 i would say both Mar 19 02:32:41 I'm finishing it up nowe Mar 19 02:32:49 z4chh: then I probably would use it Mar 19 02:32:50 Yeah. I found that I need like 350 to not have that problem Mar 19 02:32:51 because id like to monitor all my machines on my network Mar 19 02:33:01 I used to use 256, but it crashed it bit on installs. Mar 19 02:33:07 and upgrades Mar 19 02:33:29 Now, I'm using e17 and it loads a full desktop using 32Mb or ram and swap... Mar 19 02:33:33 so I deactivated swap Mar 19 02:33:37 :) Mar 19 02:33:55 z4chh: are you thinking of writing your own server for that, or piggybacking on existing ones? I'm not sure about GNOME, etc, but I KDE's Sytem Guard has a remote monitoring daemon Mar 19 02:33:59 neatojones: nice! Mar 19 02:34:15 yeah. Raster claims he can start his with only 12Mb Mar 19 02:34:19 wowz Mar 19 02:34:30 wait - for E17, or total system usage? Mar 19 02:34:38 id probably write my own server daemon that runs on the remote systems..and the nxxo would be the client Mar 19 02:34:41 ...I might be ablet o get close to that if I turned off all but the necessary modules and bluetooth etc Mar 19 02:34:46 total Mar 19 02:34:52 my goodness Mar 19 02:34:53 e17 plus system Mar 19 02:35:01 heck -that would even run on my old Palm Mar 19 02:35:08 it does. Mar 19 02:35:16 do you know if OpenEmbedded has Illume in it yet? Mar 19 02:35:23 I haven't dealt with OE in quite a while Mar 19 02:35:29 he showed it off when it was brand new on a Treo 650 Mar 19 02:35:35 which only has 32megs of ram Mar 19 02:35:39 No. Mar 19 02:35:58 I haev to make my own debs. No one has packages of e17 that are up to date enough :( Mar 19 02:36:03 http://xceleo.com/tb.png :P , got the script from meow.org Mar 19 02:36:09 it's killing me too, because there are a LOT of packages. Mar 19 02:36:11 I meant, is it in the build system for OE Mar 19 02:36:18 I'd have to make my own image anyways Mar 19 02:36:24 The following /proc files give you a bunch of excellent system stats: /proc/net/dev, /proc/stat, /proc/net/snmp, /proc/diskstats, /proc/meminfo Mar 19 02:36:25 and I'm not familiar enough with deb packaging or e17 Mar 19 02:36:34 * jaem hates debian packages Mar 19 02:36:40 they're too fiddly Mar 19 02:36:45 and too much work Mar 19 02:36:48 so, it's going slow Mar 19 02:37:02 but, I think* I might have gotten somewhere now. Mar 19 02:37:05 lol Mar 19 02:37:48 pinback: check out the screenshot, lol kcabnip Mar 19 02:38:06 b-man: check it out too, lol nam-b Mar 19 02:38:28 z4chh: just stuff all the stats into a UDP packet and multicast it once every few seconds - no need for servers unless you want to collect - otherwise you end up with ganglia Mar 19 02:38:50 wow: http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/18/fujitsu-melts-faces-and-wallets-with-flepia-the-first-color-e-b/ Mar 19 02:39:00 1.8sec wipe Mar 19 02:39:15 lol Mar 19 02:39:25 brb Mar 19 02:39:39 thats slower than vino Mar 19 02:39:51 well, yeah, but it's still a pretty hot device Mar 19 02:39:57 pinback, ahh interesting, ill have to read up on tcp/ip sockets ;p Mar 19 02:40:13 not suitable as a general computer, but with those kind of specs, it would be great for some things Mar 19 02:40:24 it's just a bit much to pay for something that's only good for "some things" Mar 19 02:40:32 z4chh: for socket info cat /proc/net/tcp or /proc/net/udp Mar 19 02:41:09 z4chh: for easy publishing check out perl IO::Socket::Multicast Mar 19 02:41:17 brb Mar 19 02:42:01 or if you are into C - multicast is the same as UDP it just uses IP addresses in the range 224.0.0.0 .. 239.255.255.255 Mar 19 02:42:19 ping 227.0.0.1 will do a multicast ping Mar 19 02:43:19 pinback, ill probably use c Mar 19 02:43:46 actually pinging 227.0.0.1 will send a ping that will be received by all computers just like a broadcast because 227.0.0.1 has the same multicast MAC as 224.0.0.1 which every computer joins on every interface Mar 19 02:44:44 pinging 227.0.0.2 or any other address will go only to those who joined the group (assuming your routers/switch supports igmp snooping) Mar 19 02:46:34 why not broadcast? :p Mar 19 02:47:11 That works fine as long as you dont flood :-) Mar 19 02:47:21 Code to send UDP datagram: http://www.linuxhowtos.org/data/6/client_udp.c Mar 19 02:47:34 Code to receive: http://www.linuxhowtos.org/data/6/server_udp.c Mar 19 02:47:41 b-man: what computer do you have? Mar 19 02:47:57 back Mar 19 02:49:05 xnt: i'm currently using my parent's Acer - but like i said, i'm getting a dell Mar 19 02:49:15 b-man: ok :) Mar 19 02:49:40 * b-man is chatting from his N800 though Mar 19 02:49:59 z4chh: BTW - if you stick a timestamp in the data you can also check if any of your clocks are out Mar 19 02:49:59 so, sit in loop - read /proc format some stats (i.e. ASCII) and then fire a datagram, then sleep and repeat Mar 19 02:50:04 ok people I have to go to sleep, but ill try to install xchat on my n810, and go on after my parents go to sleep :) Mar 19 02:50:28 lol Mar 19 02:50:32 nite xnt: try not to dream of desktops Mar 19 02:50:33 pinback, ill take note of this points, thanks :) Mar 19 02:51:03 see you latter xnt Mar 19 02:51:22 sayanora (if you don't know what that means, google it :) ) I'll probally dream of me typing in apt-get install ubuntu-desktop and it working :), nite Mar 19 02:51:34 b-man are you running ubuntu right now? Mar 19 02:51:39 * pinback is jealous Mar 19 02:51:42 yes Mar 19 02:51:53 I prefer saki Mar 19 02:51:59 lol Mar 19 02:52:06 hehe Mar 19 02:52:26 xnt: hopefully it will have finished installing by the time you wake up Mar 19 02:52:31 * xnt steals b-man's n800, and locks his bedroom door :P Mar 19 02:52:43 nite Mar 19 02:52:47 * b-man breaks down the door Mar 19 02:52:54 WAIT Mar 19 02:53:01 I didn't get to tell xnt Mar 19 02:53:09 he spelled sayoonara wrong Mar 19 02:53:15 ☹ Mar 19 02:53:15 lol Mar 19 02:53:28 XD Mar 19 02:53:50 you've been drinking too much of that stuff Mar 19 02:54:38 are bots allowed here? Mar 19 02:54:49 ~infobot Mar 19 02:54:50 [infobot] me. I love abuse, feed me!, or an interactive bot that can learn all sorts of information (http://www.infobot.org/), or updated sources at http://infobot.sf.net/, or a robot that doesn't know it should only speak when spoken to, or on fire, or awesome. gogogodzilla's pet Mar 19 02:55:16 ]later tell xnt you spelled sayoonara wrong, fyi Mar 19 02:55:16 luke-jr: The operation succeeded. Mar 19 02:55:22 ^^ Mar 19 02:55:29 lol Mar 19 02:56:11 Im out as well - thx for the help - I;ll be back - need my desktop ;-) ttfn Mar 19 02:56:11 pinback: it finished installing Mar 19 02:56:15 ooooo Mar 19 02:56:16 ? Mar 19 02:56:19 and...? Mar 19 02:56:20 I just have to clean up some stuff, and we'll see Mar 19 02:56:26 someone remind me to have ljrbot part once xnt gets his msg Mar 19 02:56:27 <.< Mar 19 02:56:29 boot it Mar 19 02:56:36 how much swap did you use? Mar 19 02:56:37 I'll need a minute Mar 19 02:56:51 I have 256MB Mar 19 02:56:55 it wasn't quite enough Mar 19 02:57:03 ok thats fine I have about double that Mar 19 02:57:10 :O Mar 19 02:57:15 * jaem may need more Mar 19 02:57:29 what do you guys think of the new Linux mascot? Mar 19 02:57:33 ? Mar 19 02:57:34 Tuz Mar 19 02:57:38 um? Mar 19 02:57:40 I didn't hear Mar 19 02:57:43 are you serious Mar 19 02:57:43 ???? Mar 19 02:57:51 http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=commit;h=8032b526d1a3bd91ad633dd3a3b5fdbc47ad54f1 Mar 19 02:57:53 Tuzzzzzzz Mar 19 02:58:02 he's a tasmanian devil Mar 19 02:58:34 woah Mar 19 02:58:39 like taz!! Mar 19 02:58:40 Tux is on vacation? Mar 19 02:58:48 b-man: Tuz Mar 19 02:59:19 shure. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Mar 19 02:59:57 2009