**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Mar 19 02:59:57 2009 Mar 19 03:00:37 trippy: http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3400/3217510322_572b94a3cb.jpg Mar 19 03:01:03 http://www.flickr.com/photos/x_jamesmorris/3213367817/ Mar 19 03:02:20 pinback: here goes... Mar 19 03:02:49 * pinback crosses his fingers & toes Mar 19 03:03:06 I can has Kubuntu bootsplash? Mar 19 03:03:18 b-man: whose work is the bootsplash, anyway? Mar 19 03:03:21 is that upstream? Mar 19 03:03:34 got spash? Mar 19 03:03:36 mine :D Mar 19 03:03:41 it's nice :D Mar 19 03:03:48 but it's not blue :( Mar 19 03:03:50 thanks :D Mar 19 03:03:55 ? Mar 19 03:03:58 seriously, though - it's awesome Mar 19 03:04:06 but there's no Kubuntu splash Mar 19 03:04:08 lol Mar 19 03:04:10 whats it doing? Mar 19 03:04:14 well, I don't know how well it will work Mar 19 03:04:16 it's booting Mar 19 03:04:18 slowly Mar 19 03:04:21 it takes a bit Mar 19 03:04:35 s/bit/while/ Mar 19 03:04:35 jaem meant: it takes a while Mar 19 03:04:49 s/a while/eternity less one day/ Mar 19 03:04:59 jaem: what desktop env did you install? Mar 19 03:05:03 KDE4 Mar 19 03:05:06 to try out Mar 19 03:05:10 nice Mar 19 03:05:13 almost done booting Mar 19 03:05:21 b-man: methinks I will have to slim it down a lot Mar 19 03:05:32 did you enable swap Mar 19 03:05:37 *buntu isn't bloated, by any means, but it's no featherweight, either Mar 19 03:05:37 does anyone make actual RAM MicroSD? Mar 19 03:05:37 yes Mar 19 03:05:44 k :) Mar 19 03:05:50 ooh.... we have Oxygen busy cursor Mar 19 03:05:55 we have Air background Mar 19 03:05:57 KDM loaded Mar 19 03:06:04 nice Mar 19 03:06:16 touchscreen is inoperative, though :( Mar 19 03:06:23 doh! Mar 19 03:06:30 is there an easy way to open a console with the hardware keys available? Mar 19 03:06:36 pinback: that may be my fault Mar 19 03:06:49 I had a minimal install, and I was messing with some things Mar 19 03:06:59 and then I forot what I did by the time today rolled around Mar 19 03:07:00 lol Mar 19 03:07:09 jaem: rescue-menu ;) Mar 19 03:07:55 * b-man is just glad his new sys-env install method is working :) Mar 19 03:07:56 lol Mar 19 03:08:00 Fn still isn't working Mar 19 03:08:02 hmmz Mar 19 03:08:05 ok, Im out - gl with kubuntu - hopefully the repos will be back for gnome tomorrow Mar 19 03:08:06 that was fixed, wasn't it? Mar 19 03:08:08 nite Mar 19 03:08:10 pinback: cheers Mar 19 03:08:33 logging in Mar 19 03:10:25 http://mobile.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/08/27/1322239 Mar 19 03:10:27 can we use this? Mar 19 03:12:15 it looks quite interesting Mar 19 03:12:39 hmm... well, plasma didn't load Mar 19 03:12:40 darn Mar 19 03:12:44 * jaem reboots Mar 19 03:12:53 oh right Mar 19 03:13:17 b-man: can I set up the power button to control the power settings in KDE? Mar 19 03:13:38 for example, to bring up the Leave/Shutdown dialog Mar 19 03:13:47 shure Mar 19 03:14:14 I was asking about that earlier... are they all just normal keys, then? Mar 19 03:14:24 or are some of them handled specially? Mar 19 03:14:57 i'm not 100% shure Mar 19 03:22:27 hi Mar 19 03:23:20 * Xnt_n800 is using b-mans n800 Mar 19 03:23:47 hey all Mar 19 03:23:50 nice :) Mar 19 03:23:52 hi Mar 19 03:24:03 brb Mar 19 03:24:11 * sisto_n810 is using his own n810 Mar 19 03:25:38 hey bman Mar 19 03:26:02 youthere Mar 19 03:26:16 * Xnt_n800 hares Mar 19 03:26:30 sorry Mar 19 03:30:30 b-man: framebuffer console doesn't work - it just loads KDM Mar 19 03:31:21 sorry about that Mar 19 03:31:30 i hate the soft kb Mar 19 03:33:09 if i don't respond that means im hiding my n8x0 from my parents, and acting asleep :P btw b-man, now i know how n800 users suffer from lack of hw kb :) Mar 19 03:33:44 * Xnt_n800 was forced to use sw kb to avoid kb clicking noise Mar 19 03:37:51 is anyone here? Mar 19 03:38:58 yep Mar 19 03:46:36 lol now i know how n800 user feel with no hw keyboard Mar 19 03:46:55 ignore any typos Mar 19 03:48:05 waht, yoi mesn lkie tish? Mar 19 03:54:45 lol Mar 19 03:55:01 who are you laughing at? I'm not here Mar 19 03:55:06 ostensibly, anyway Mar 19 04:00:14 Xnt_n810: ping! Mar 19 04:00:32 pong Mar 19 04:00:43 I figured out what half of my problem was Mar 19 04:00:52 1) it was loading plasma... just slowly Mar 19 04:01:00 (no login splash) Mar 19 04:01:27 jaem: connect, to irc.hak5.org, #hak5 Mar 19 04:01:32 2) I had installed the base system before b-man had finished the repos, so I was missing some rather important pacakges :P Mar 19 04:01:33 what kde Mar 19 04:01:40 Xnt_n810: I know of it, but why now in particular? Mar 19 04:01:44 v4.2.1 Mar 19 04:02:03 im on it readin slashdot Mar 19 04:02:13 sorry? Mar 19 04:03:02 just join it Mar 19 04:03:10 okay... Mar 19 04:03:19 comcast leaked 8000 passwords :P Mar 19 04:03:31 oh my Mar 19 04:03:37 they would be interested in that Mar 19 04:08:33 Xnt_n810: did b-man write an update how-to? I just want to make sure I didn't do anything else wrong Mar 19 04:09:11 not yet Mar 19 04:13:29 Xnt_n810: sys-env-x is the new metapackage, right? Mar 19 04:13:42 anything else I need, aside from that and what's mentioned in the how-to? Mar 19 04:18:06 yea Mar 19 04:20:18 well i don't know, :p im waiting for the ubuntu-desktop to be fixed Mar 19 04:21:32 why would you, when you could install Kubuntu-desktop :P Mar 19 04:21:38 gah - I'm starving Mar 19 04:21:42 I'll bbiab Mar 19 04:31:46 9:30pm here Mar 19 04:34:00 here as well Mar 19 04:34:08 what a coincedence Mar 19 04:34:31 well, not really Mar 19 04:34:37 .) Mar 19 04:34:40 ;)* Mar 19 04:34:43 qole: I've got KDE4 more-or-less kind of working Mar 19 04:35:15 sadly, you're on Shaw :( Mar 19 04:35:24 sadly? Mar 19 04:35:25 why? Mar 19 04:35:39 it actually runs at a speed from this decade Mar 19 04:35:55 what is the cause of your sorrow? Mar 19 04:36:18 another one lost to coax... Mar 19 04:36:29 lol Mar 19 04:36:37 another blow to the copper pair Mar 19 04:36:41 lol Mar 19 04:37:22 well, would you rather have 6Mbps or 15Mbps, if they're only a few dollars different in price? Mar 19 04:37:31 last I checked, anyway Mar 19 04:37:57 huh? 35 vs 51 per month? Mar 19 04:38:07 * jaem checks his facts Mar 19 04:38:41 I don't have cable TV, see. Not since ever. Mar 19 04:39:32 qole:12:39pm here Mar 19 04:39:46 oh wow... Telus' prices are almost reasonable Mar 19 04:40:01 or would be, if they didn't fail in other ways :S Mar 19 04:40:15 still, though, it's $30/month for "1.5 to 6Mbps" Mar 19 04:40:29 so... what speed would I /actually/ get , I wonder? Mar 19 04:40:38 or, I could get Shaw student plan for $32/month Mar 19 04:40:49 Xnt_n810, I don't understand, are you in HI? Mar 19 04:40:54 which is 15Mbps with powerboost Mar 19 04:41:07 nice Mar 19 04:41:16 at least they've realized that they have to lower their prices Mar 19 04:41:26 no in ny Mar 19 04:41:33 but it sounds like you're still getting inferior prices Mar 19 04:41:35 huh Mar 19 04:41:44 s/prices/service/ Mar 19 04:42:12 In practice, my Telus speeds are comparable to my father's Shaw speeds Mar 19 04:42:23 * jaem is not convinced Mar 19 04:42:30 I've had very bad experiences with Telus Mar 19 04:42:38 and nothing could convince me to use their services Mar 19 04:42:50 also, they're on a contract, so they're out right there Mar 19 04:42:54 Xnt_n810, then it is AM there, not PM Mar 19 04:43:16 and they bundle their modems into the most useless route I have ever seen Mar 19 04:43:28 im sleepy,lol im not thinking straight Mar 19 04:43:30 which they ship in the least possible secure state Mar 19 04:43:39 gah Mar 19 04:43:42 don't get me started Mar 19 04:43:49 :P Mar 19 04:44:07 according to the call center rep, I'm >paying< to get >free< incoming text messages Mar 19 04:44:09 I'm still using my sturdy old mid-90s 3Com DSL modem Mar 19 04:44:32 I asked the guy how that made any kind of sense, and he sheepishly admitted that it didn't Mar 19 04:44:48 im on prepaid, but no data :( Mar 19 04:44:55 I don't have a cell either, their mobile service might be crap Mar 19 04:44:59 my phone isn't even worth paying for data Mar 19 04:45:06 qole: oh, believe me, it is Mar 19 04:45:27 half the mountain has poor reception, and some parts have none Mar 19 04:45:42 Ah, my wife has prepaid from Telus. $11 something a month, after tax Mar 19 04:45:48 if I'm at the residence bus stop (far West), and a car drives by, my signal will often drope Mar 19 04:45:53 jaem: your in austraila? Mar 19 04:45:59 no - BC, Canada Mar 19 04:46:15 oh ok Mar 19 04:46:24 we live about 45 minutes apart Mar 19 04:46:27 yeah Mar 19 04:46:29 i forgot :P Mar 19 04:46:32 well, a bit more by bus Mar 19 04:46:40 :D Mar 19 04:46:49 qole: did you attend RMS' lecture a few weeks ago? Mar 19 04:47:24 I'm 8 minutes from the Broadway skytrain station Mar 19 04:47:30 ah Mar 19 04:47:47 so you could probably get on that Mar 19 04:48:06 8 min walk Mar 19 04:48:09 hmm Mar 19 04:48:39 no, I wish I had gone to the RMS talk Mar 19 04:48:47 it was interesting Mar 19 04:49:24 I bet. He's such a hard-ass about freedom Mar 19 04:49:32 unfortunately, someone disregarded a note on a box, and sold a plush GNU that was meant to be auctioned Mar 19 04:49:37 free as in freedom Mar 19 04:49:38 rms was quite cut up Mar 19 04:49:41 yeah Mar 19 04:50:11 I agree with him in many regards, but I think he takes things too far a lot of the time Mar 19 04:50:25 ha! screwed by capitalism again! Mar 19 04:50:39 waaaaay too far Mar 19 04:50:42 that said, we wouldn't be chatting here right now if he hadn't been aroubd, so.... Mar 19 04:50:54 true Mar 19 04:51:03 * jaem imagines a world without N810s Mar 19 04:51:07 * jaem shudders Mar 19 04:51:25 * Xnt_n810 winces Mar 19 04:51:25 fennec free! Mar 19 04:51:33 It takes a few extremists to make a place for the moderates Mar 19 04:51:36 lol Mar 19 04:51:39 well put Mar 19 04:52:00 lol Mar 19 04:52:06 DEATH TO EXTREMISTS! Mar 19 04:52:32 DEATH TO HYPOCRITS! Mar 19 04:52:37 No suicides on this channel please. Mar 19 04:52:48 lol Mar 19 04:53:15 actually, I've always been of the opinion that hypocrits often have really good advice, but no one listens to them because, well... they're hypocrits Mar 19 04:53:23 * Mousey imagines a world where the n900 has an accelerometer, good gps, hardware keyboard, two SDXC slots, 3D acceleration, and a choice of cel radios.. oh and 64gb internal Mar 19 04:53:29 I'm typing slowly because I'm lying in bed using my N800 Mar 19 04:53:51 same here except n810 Mar 19 04:53:52 What's an SDXC slot? Mar 19 04:53:55 oh and 800x600 Mar 19 04:54:03 4:3? :shudder: Mar 19 04:54:03 * jaem imagines the N900 having all that, and coming with a linux-based UAV for free Mar 19 04:54:10 blech Mar 19 04:54:15 GeneralAntilles: it's after SDHC, SDXC ranges from 32GB-2TB Mar 19 04:54:18 uav? Mar 19 04:54:21 5:4 is where it's at ;) Mar 19 04:54:25 jaem: lol uav Mar 19 04:54:29 qole: Unmanned Aerial Vehicle Mar 19 04:54:31 drone Mar 19 04:54:33 Mousey, slots come in "SD", "MiniSD" and "MicroSD". :) Mar 19 04:54:49 yes, but those are form factors, where HC and XC refer to capacities Mar 19 04:54:51 * jaem wants a 2TB pico-SD card Mar 19 04:55:03 Mousey, yes, and capacity has nothing at all to do with formfactor. Mar 19 04:55:16 it does when you want to stick a card in there that isn't supported =P Mar 19 04:55:18 SD, SDHC, and SDXC are all software-only changes. Mar 19 04:55:28 on the slot side maybe Mar 19 04:55:33 * Xnt_n810 wants a 8EB nanosdcard Mar 19 04:55:33 So talking about the slot as "SDXC" is kinda meaningless. Mar 19 04:55:35 I've actually pondered hooking one of those $35 foam airplanes up to a computer Mar 19 04:55:36 and that's fine with me =) Mar 19 04:55:52 Xnt_n810: I'm waiting for the 64YB cards :P Mar 19 04:55:58 Besides, current tablets support the important part of SDXC just fine. Mar 19 04:56:00 :P Mar 19 04:56:09 _All_ Linux devices with SDHC support do, in fact. Mar 19 04:56:10 * jaem can't remember the next multiplier Mar 19 04:56:15 yay Mar 19 04:56:25 It's just exFAT that's the stumbling point. Mar 19 04:56:34 haha, FAT Mar 19 04:56:36 that was funny Mar 19 04:56:38 FAT Mar 19 04:56:45 the 90s called, they want their filesystem back! Mar 19 04:56:50 As long as you're not planning on using it in a non-Linux machine, then that's not an issue. Mar 19 04:57:09 exFAT is recent. Mar 19 04:57:19 I don't know what's running on this Kubuntu install, but it *hammering* at my tablet Mar 19 04:57:22 isn't that vista's so called fat64? Mar 19 04:57:26 the thing is burning up Mar 19 04:57:36 Xnt_n810, yes, exFAT/FAT64. Same thing. Mar 19 04:57:38 jaem: lol, Mar 19 04:57:52 it's called ObesityOS - following the core design principles of Vista Mar 19 04:57:54 It's not all that similar to FAT16/32. Mar 19 04:57:55 FS* Mar 19 04:58:09 GeneralAntilles, nice to see you're still up Mar 19 04:58:21 ga: ok (too lazy to type your name on soft kb, sorry :P) Mar 19 04:58:33 qole, trying to get Ubuntu to play nice is like pounding my head into a brick wall. Mar 19 04:58:53 But, unfortunately, unconsciousness is escaping me. Mar 19 04:58:54 GA: is the brick wall FOSS? Mar 19 04:59:07 XChat has the cool Tab-completion thing Mar 19 04:59:15 jaem, I'm far to busy ramming my head into it to read its license. Mar 19 04:59:20 s/to/too/ Mar 19 04:59:20 GeneralAntilles meant: jaem, I'm far too busy ramming my head into it to read its license. Mar 19 04:59:35 um... Mar 19 04:59:45 my Nokia charger just started making strange noises Mar 19 04:59:50 that can't be good Mar 19 04:59:51 I type, Gen-TAB and I get... Mar 19 04:59:58 GeneralAntilles, see? Mar 19 05:00:15 when it's plugged in, it's making a sort of whirring, whining noise Mar 19 05:00:30 it doesn't sound quite like the Targus adapter that trashed my laptop's motherboard Mar 19 05:00:34 but it doesn't sound good :S Mar 19 05:00:53 jaem, watch for smoke, sniff for 'that smell' Mar 19 05:01:01 ah, the Magic Smoke Mar 19 05:01:10 well, I think I can still tell resistor from diode Mar 19 05:01:14 but it's been a while Mar 19 05:01:20 diode is definitely worse Mar 19 05:02:06 is it faint Mar 19 05:02:11 brb Mar 19 05:02:21 the sound? yes Mar 19 05:02:30 the smell of burning diode? no Mar 19 05:02:33 GeneralAntilles, I actually went back to 8.04 after fighting for hours with 8.10 Mar 19 05:03:21 qole: have you heard of NexentaOS? Mar 19 05:03:26 damned PulseAudio Mar 19 05:03:37 jaem, no Mar 19 05:04:06 it's Debian/Ubuntu, but with the OpenSolaris kernel Mar 19 05:04:09 go figure Mar 19 05:04:33 the question that comes to mind is "why?" Mar 19 05:04:34 * qole looks at his watch, almost bedtime Mar 19 05:04:40 mmhmm Mar 19 05:04:51 jaem, yes, why? Mar 19 05:05:13 there must be some advantage to that kernel... Mar 19 05:05:15 that's what I'm wondering :S Mar 19 05:06:35 generalantilles: im using 8.10+also Mar 19 05:07:37 *alsa Mar 19 05:07:54 last post of the night: my head is full of greenish goo, and it is all coming out of my nose... :( Mar 19 05:08:26 * qole blows his nose and leaves Mar 19 05:08:29 bye qole Mar 19 05:08:36 night, qole Mar 19 05:09:18 ok, now i really bored Mar 19 05:09:25 * im Mar 19 05:09:32 Xnt_n810: Google "virtual bubblewrap" Mar 19 05:09:43 oh wait... maybe not the best idea in the circumstances :P Mar 19 05:10:05 * jaem wishes the N810 has an Alt key Mar 19 05:12:06 * Xnt_n810 want virtualbubblewrap for maemo :P Mar 19 05:12:54 well, it's flash, so you can just download it... Mar 19 05:12:58 native app, with pressure detection Mar 19 05:13:00 and run it locally Mar 19 05:13:01 haha Mar 19 05:13:17 that's almost funny, until you realize what an utter waste of time it would be Mar 19 05:13:26 exactly Mar 19 05:14:10 does the N810 even really *have* much in the way of pressure sensing? Xournal doesn't seem to act any differently with pressure sensitivity on Mar 19 05:16:10 I don't know, but im assumingthat xjournal has a bug . Mar 19 05:16:23 or something Mar 19 05:16:27 could be... it's a bit outdated Mar 19 05:16:34 the chinook package, that is Mar 19 05:16:37 yeah Mar 19 05:16:48 oh - right Mar 19 05:16:56 that's what I wanted to work on... Mar 19 05:17:18 * jaem pulls out obtuse, lengthy spec sheets, and goes to work Mar 19 05:17:30 darn you, standards organizations! Mar 19 05:17:47 why can't you write your specs like Simple Wikipedia? Mar 19 05:18:09 lol Mar 19 05:18:16 or at leasat use PDFs with hyperlinks, instead of MS Word docs with lousy formatting Mar 19 05:18:20 gah Mar 19 05:18:31 I suppose I should get used to it Mar 19 05:18:38 it won't get any better once I graduate Mar 19 05:18:39 lol Mar 19 05:19:09 I haven't opened word for 1.5 years Mar 19 05:19:32 lucky you Mar 19 05:19:43 =| Mar 19 05:19:47 neither have I, in longer, except the odd time on school computers Mar 19 05:20:15 i'd rather speak out all my presentations than edit it using word or something like that Mar 19 05:20:44 not even on the school computers Mar 19 05:20:59 i use google docs Mar 19 05:22:33 Xnt_n810: I don't like storing my data in the cloud Mar 19 05:22:38 when I can help it Mar 19 05:22:48 Gmail is a necessary evil Mar 19 05:22:54 and a pretty good evil, at that Mar 19 05:22:54 lol Mar 19 05:23:08 you guys, gonna sleep Mar 19 05:23:09 cya Mar 19 05:23:19 lol, i use dreamhost for email Mar 19 05:23:36 cya,im getting sleepy Mar 19 05:24:23 me too Mar 19 05:24:38 bye jaem cya in the morning Mar 19 05:24:49 see ya, Xnt_n810 Mar 19 05:24:57 bye Mar 19 05:25:04 nite everyone Mar 19 05:39:27 g'night, #maemo Mar 19 06:36:59 * Stskeeps pokes the coffee machine Mar 19 06:56:29 * fireun misses his coffee machine Mar 19 07:12:17 anyone else having na issue updating carman? Mar 19 07:26:41 * Stskeeps yawns loudly Mar 19 07:27:37 put on music Mar 19 07:27:45 LOUD NOISES Mar 19 07:28:07 oh steve carell Mar 19 07:44:13 'ndi Mar 19 07:47:17 anyone here? Mar 19 07:47:37 no Mar 19 07:49:08 i cant seem to get reflashing my tablet to work Mar 19 07:49:20 says version of 'sw-release': Mar 19 07:49:40 USB device found found at bus 005, device address 002-0421-0105-02-00 Mar 19 07:49:41 Found device RX-34, hardware revision 1301 Mar 19 07:49:41 NOLO version 1.1.16 Mar 19 07:49:41 Version of 'sw-release': Mar 19 07:59:31 Stskeeps: is the 0.10internal image safe to use? Mar 19 07:59:48 hey Stskeeps Mar 19 07:59:49 zakkm: yes, it is, but by getting you volunteer to testing it and reporting bugs Mar 19 07:59:55 zakkm: and it lacks artwork Mar 19 08:00:06 thats fine, i just meant in a wont brick my nokia sense Mar 19 08:00:15 i haven't bricked my nokia yet :P Mar 19 08:00:23 Stskeeps: I just finished watching the second Fantastic 4 movie Mar 19 08:00:25 it was terrible Mar 19 08:00:29 but one question Mar 19 08:00:29 jaem: hehe Mar 19 08:00:45 does it have the ui thats in the screenshots? Mar 19 08:00:46 how come the N770 used throughout the movie has a cooler-looking OS than Fremantle? Mar 19 08:00:53 http://www.jaiku.com/channel/mer/presence/8ad832a7557941678ae3781ad2e7bc27 Mar 19 08:00:56 jaem: film effects? :P Mar 19 08:00:56 there's something wrong there :P Mar 19 08:00:59 lol Mar 19 08:01:02 what the? Mar 19 08:01:04 wheres the n770? Mar 19 08:01:08 i own that movie Mar 19 08:01:18 Reed Richards uses it all through the shwo Mar 19 08:01:25 he pulls it out during the wedding Mar 19 08:01:26 ohh his little "pda" Mar 19 08:01:28 zakkm: http://zenvoid.org/tmp/mer-new-layout/screenshot1.png is closer to the truth atm Mar 19 08:01:35 zakkm: yes, the un-PDA Mar 19 08:01:43 hahh Mar 19 08:01:48 way different look :) Mar 19 08:01:57 zakkm: we just got artwork yesterday though Mar 19 08:02:03 also, I think the ratio of technobabble to real science was actually infinitie Mar 19 08:02:08 infinite* Mar 19 08:02:12 i know but i just saw one screenshot im like sweettttt :D * downloads * Mar 19 08:02:17 zakkm: the code is there and it actually works Mar 19 08:02:21 so try out that part. Mar 19 08:02:21 okay this is closer to the truth *less polished* Mar 19 08:02:24 given that I didn't catch any real science at all ;) Mar 19 08:02:48 its for little kids :) Mar 19 08:02:51 the movie Mar 19 08:03:04 Stskeeps: try to convince Hollywood to use an N810 running Mer, next time ;) Mar 19 08:03:26 zakkm: well, not *little* per se, but yeah, I didn't enjoy it much Mar 19 08:03:29 it was cheesy Mar 19 08:03:29 Stskeeps: 15min download reamining. Mar 19 08:03:49 i meant the audience isnt supposed to have much of a science knowledge. Mar 19 08:03:59 Its irrelevant Mar 19 08:04:03 well, that's how Hollywood works Mar 19 08:04:21 disney does better :) Mar 19 08:04:29 they assume that most people won't know any better, and from that decide that the rest of the people don't matter Mar 19 08:05:15 I remember watching Wall-E, and coming out of theatre, my first thought was, "there was a scene that violated Newton's laws of motion" Mar 19 08:05:17 lol Mar 19 08:05:34 never seen wall-e Mar 19 08:05:38 blatantly violated them, too Mar 19 08:05:39 ah Mar 19 08:05:56 the robot's flying around outside a spaceship by firing off a fire extinguisher Mar 19 08:06:06 only, every time he lets up on the handle, he decelerates Mar 19 08:06:10 fail Mar 19 08:06:20 anyhow, I need to get to bed Mar 19 08:06:20 i heard it was a cute movie Mar 19 08:06:23 it wasa Mar 19 08:06:37 for Pixar, it was fairly well done Mar 19 08:06:55 there's an interesting robot model of the main character on Instructables Mar 19 08:06:59 look it up Mar 19 08:07:00 night Mar 19 08:13:53 Stskeeps: Do i install the image with flasher just like its a normal maemo image? Mar 19 08:14:00 reflash the image* Mar 19 08:14:08 err.. which image are you downloading Mar 19 08:14:26 mer-armel-n8x0-image-v0.10internal.tar.gz 132mb Mar 19 08:14:43 i'd use the mer installer, when it asks for URL= something, use URL=mer-armel-n8x0-image-v0.10internal.tar.gz Mar 19 08:14:48 er Mar 19 08:14:56 my nokia is "broken" though Mar 19 08:15:01 URL=http://stskeeps.subnetmask.net/mer/0.10internal/mer-armel-n8x0-image-v0.10internal.tar.gz Mar 19 08:15:05 and flash-only initfs doesnt work Mar 19 08:15:12 i get sw release Mar 19 08:17:04 do a full flash maybe Mar 19 08:17:13 do you remember the -F? (actual flash)? Mar 19 08:17:33 yes Mar 19 08:17:49 ./flasher-2.0.macosx -F RX-34_DIABLO_5.2008.43-7_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin --flash-only=initfs -R Mar 19 08:18:19 also i just finished downloading the image, and it was like a 20min download. Mar 19 08:18:23 there's missing something there.. Mar 19 08:18:30 ~flashing Mar 19 08:18:31 i guess flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Mar 19 08:18:39 i copied it straight from there Mar 19 08:18:43 yeah, you're missing a -f Mar 19 08:18:55 ohh lowercase too Mar 19 08:19:07 ohh maybe i backspaced it by mistake Mar 19 08:19:09 sweet ;p Mar 19 08:20:25 omg it boots! :D Mar 19 08:20:38 but i already downloaded mer image ;p Mar 19 08:20:54 the .tar.gz image isn't flashable directly anyway, :P Mar 19 08:20:59 you need the mer installer probably Mar 19 08:21:10 could i copy it over to nokia? Mar 19 08:21:17 would that make me not have to redownload? Mar 19 08:21:33 -.- Mar 19 08:21:34 mm, not directly no Mar 19 08:21:42 corrupted download? Mar 19 08:21:45 just grab the .install file and point the installer to the right URL= Mar 19 08:22:11 yeah doing check for updates ;p Mar 19 08:22:23 whats the newest merinstaller version do you know by heart? Mar 19 08:22:32 just grab the .install file from the 0.9 page Mar 19 08:23:21 sorry havent used my nokia in weeks ;p Mar 19 08:25:26 .install opened application manager, and it had high cpu for awhile then just stopped Mar 19 08:35:21 so is mer usable? Mar 19 08:35:29 x29a: why not? :D Mar 19 08:35:48 dunno, backlight flicker, sound crappy, no wlan or whatever could not work Mar 19 08:35:56 heh Mar 19 08:35:57 im thinking about ubuntu Mar 19 08:36:12 its better than ubuntu port :P Mar 19 08:36:13 im not all that happy with the maemo i have on it Mar 19 08:36:18 me neither Mar 19 08:36:22 in midst of mer install Mar 19 08:36:39 tell me wotcha think of it Mar 19 08:36:59 used a older version, was nice, but the newer versions are starting to change ui Mar 19 08:37:04 i dont need big graphic click-and-colors, just a working, fast os for browsing, chatting, and so on Mar 19 08:37:17 which you have? 800 or 810? Mar 19 08:37:34 810 Mar 19 08:37:38 ah lucky you Mar 19 08:37:44 the new fennec beta came out yesterday you know Mar 19 08:37:46 thanks santa Mar 19 08:37:57 810, you should try e17 on top of mer Mar 19 08:38:09 problem is the onscreen keyboard temporary, but you dont use onscreen Mar 19 08:38:16 zakkm: im not involved in the development, and i get confused with all the different possibilities Mar 19 08:38:28 heh Mar 19 08:38:30 yah, i have hardware which i would use Mar 19 08:38:39 its a really nice uhh Mar 19 08:38:41 linux desktop Mar 19 08:38:47 X? Mar 19 08:39:01 X? Mar 19 08:39:08 god.. parents at times. i'm in bus and there is a small boy with his mom and a plastic rifle and he's pointing it at random people.. in a couple we are going through the ghetto with a lot of ppl torn by war and traumatised. this will go well. Mar 19 08:39:09 X11? Mar 19 08:39:14 of course Mar 19 08:39:34 i think ;p Mar 19 08:39:47 x29a: its just very click and use Mar 19 08:39:52 not like maemo with "start menu" Mar 19 08:40:20 StsN801: u think theyll point back with a not-so-plastic-rifle? Mar 19 08:41:24 x29a, nah. some just don't react mentally well to having a rifle in their faces . Mar 19 08:41:30 so there is that pure ubuntu port, which ports ubuntu mobile to the N8x0, there is the "original" maemo, and there is mer, which is trying to combine and improve both? Mar 19 08:41:47 StsN801: cant hold it against them ;) Mar 19 08:41:47 Stsn801: you planning for hildon input method in future mer? Mar 19 08:42:11 x29a, ubuntu port is mer without hildon and sanity.. Mar 19 08:42:19 haha Mar 19 08:44:24 i cant believe i dont have extras-devel installed -.- Mar 19 08:44:29 well "added" Mar 19 08:44:36 honestly though. we had ubuntu ported in summer 08. decided not to go ahead with it for same reason as not going ahead with deblet. you are going to hit a wall of usability and battery problems Mar 19 08:45:08 how is mer on battery life? Mar 19 08:45:22 how is mer on all aspects of a mobile device? Mar 19 08:45:50 battery, ram, performance, swap, usability, standby/resume, connectivity etc Mar 19 08:45:52 better, but some things is needed still to be connected Mar 19 08:46:31 i deeply respect people developing this kind of software, really, great work Mar 19 08:46:55 too bad mer doesnt need a hello_world.c anymore ;) thats all i could contribute Mar 19 08:47:23 x29a, wifi is fine with a small bug. standby/resume is useless to talk about on arm.. Mar 19 08:47:50 StsN801: so could i keep my mer running like i do with maemo? Mar 19 08:48:23 x29a, thats the hope yeah Mar 19 08:48:34 ima get into this Mar 19 08:48:52 doing way to little with my tablet anyway Mar 19 08:49:17 :P Mar 19 08:49:33 Network-Manager dies on N8x0 after sleep / idling Mar 19 08:49:35 hahahaha Mar 19 08:49:46 it does that on my ubuntu 8.04 on ibm x31 as well Mar 19 08:50:09 nm should die but it does its job Mar 19 08:51:33 im facing lots of problems with it Mar 19 08:51:43 its doing "too much stuff on its own" Mar 19 08:51:47 x29a: you have mer already? Mar 19 08:51:53 zakkm: na Mar 19 08:51:58 reading about how to get it Mar 19 08:52:09 StsN801: it says Install update? merinstaller 2.0.0-mer6 ? is that right? Mar 19 08:52:24 think so Mar 19 08:52:25 zakkm: are you flashing it or on mmc? Mar 19 08:52:41 i want to use the newest 0.10 internal, so i have to use mmc Mar 19 08:52:59 whats the "internal" stand for? Mar 19 08:53:04 internal mmc? Mar 19 08:53:15 no Mar 19 08:53:19 internal = not public Mar 19 08:53:20 release Mar 19 08:53:27 ah ok Mar 19 08:53:29 testing only Mar 19 08:53:36 are you installing on internal or external mmc tho? Mar 19 08:53:41 like its publicly avaliable Mar 19 08:53:44 internal. Mar 19 08:54:06 publicly avaliable.. not recommended at all/ no support / nothing.. Mar 19 08:54:11 by definition. Mar 19 08:54:25 yeh, sounds great Mar 19 08:54:45 different ui in 0.10 :P Mar 19 08:54:51 thats why i want to use it Mar 19 08:55:07 duh sweet, i can just install it into internal mmc,since i have my maemo on external mmc and in flash, so i can boot them alternativly? Mar 19 08:55:17 yeah Mar 19 08:55:22 wicked Mar 19 08:55:29 just add a bootmenu entry for mer Mar 19 08:55:33 and do "install mer" Mar 19 08:55:42 i believe? Mar 19 08:55:44 so theres no drawback Mar 19 08:56:01 it says it in the wiki, ill just follow the instructions, or pester guys here Mar 19 08:56:02 yelling? throwing nokia across the room? Mar 19 08:56:19 sounds like fuuuuuun Mar 19 08:56:48 StsN801: any chance theres one newer than that 0.10internal? Mar 19 09:01:46 morning Mar 19 09:02:47 hi Mar 19 09:06:40 zakkm: installing installer Mar 19 09:07:21 :) Mar 19 09:07:26 x29a: sorry i left Mar 19 09:07:32 morning woglinde Mar 19 09:07:55 x29a: you want to use the new 0.10internal? Mar 19 09:08:10 sure, why not Mar 19 09:08:22 in the installer, when it asks for url Mar 19 09:08:27 change it to Mar 19 09:08:29 yeah Mar 19 09:08:29 URL=http://stskeeps.subnetmask.net/mer/0.10internal/mer-armel-n8x0-image-v0.10internal.tar.gz Mar 19 09:08:30 have that Mar 19 09:08:42 i was present when that url was posted, thanks Mar 19 09:08:46 ah Mar 19 09:08:51 looks okay i suppose Mar 19 09:09:04 since i can always boot my "real" maemo, i have no fear in installing mer Mar 19 09:09:45 http://zenvoid.org/tmp/mer-new-layout/screenshot1.png Mar 19 09:09:58 wow Mar 19 09:10:01 looks impressive Mar 19 09:10:02 lol Mar 19 09:10:15 probably draws the batt empty in 5min Mar 19 09:10:33 http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/merui/screenshot02.png <-- future apparantly Mar 19 09:10:49 http://i041.radikal.ru/0903/5f/5cf0986d63e7.jpg finale. Mar 19 09:11:56 zakkm: no, that's the neest Mar 19 09:12:08 neest? Mar 19 09:12:15 latest Mar 19 09:12:20 sorry, just got into my office :) Mar 19 09:12:23 thats out? Mar 19 09:12:29 x29a: actually no, it is fairly static ui Mar 19 09:12:42 nice Mar 19 09:12:45 http://internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=272382&postcount=32 just reading this Mar 19 09:13:13 great, the bootloader overwrote my bootconfig, so i have to edit that Mar 19 09:13:16 hm, lets see Mar 19 09:13:29 x29a: said to do it manually ;p Mar 19 09:13:36 yeah, it says so, it isn't compatible with clone-to-SD, you need to make your own clone .item Mar 19 09:13:44 please pester penguinbait about it Mar 19 09:14:06 zakkm: i guess i can do that with the system in flash Mar 19 09:14:15 Stskeeps: still looking for help for the package thing? Mar 19 09:14:24 gee, im getting stuff confused Mar 19 09:14:29 Grab the source package the Mer package is based on, and the new one from fremantle. diff -ruN them, and save the diff. Mar 19 09:14:32 ^ Mar 19 09:15:14 i probably should install the installer in the flash image, since i can boot that afterwards, ok lets start again Mar 19 09:15:26 zakkm: until everything is lime, blue, green on http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Documentation/Common_Packages#Current_package_status we do :P Mar 19 09:16:06 Kept back because of Fremantle HIM requiring a thumb keyboard Mar 19 09:16:07 ? Mar 19 09:16:10 yeah Mar 19 09:16:15 fremantle only has thumb keyboard, not stylus Mar 19 09:16:18 oh Mar 19 09:16:27 im thinking all tablets have thumb keyboard support ;p Mar 19 09:16:32 and do ppl still use stylus? Mar 19 09:16:46 seemingily, but i think next version won't have stylus Mar 19 09:17:13 my stylus just sits there Mar 19 09:17:18 always use thumbs Mar 19 09:18:04 http://wiki.maemo.org/Booting_from_a_flash_card#Install_bootmenu thats what i should do before rebooting or? Mar 19 09:18:27 did you use clone-to-SD before? Mar 19 09:18:39 yes, but just for testing Mar 19 09:18:49 so i have maemo on external sd and in internal flash Mar 19 09:18:58 as long as i can boot one maemo im all set Mar 19 09:19:03 as backup plan Mar 19 09:19:23 stskeeps: does mer do mplayer nicely? Mar 19 09:19:25 for video playback Mar 19 09:19:37 probably not, cos of the X server Mar 19 09:19:47 we hope to fix that though Mar 19 09:20:01 is it possible to "steal" maemo's? Mar 19 09:20:12 yeah, but HIM stops working Mar 19 09:20:14 x29a: sec. Mar 19 09:20:36 no rush, ima go do the dishes Mar 19 09:21:08 zakkm: maemos mplayer shows videos somehow Mar 19 09:21:24 ? Mar 19 09:21:29 i know it works fine in maemo ;p Mar 19 09:21:35 i want to know if it works fine in mer Mar 19 09:21:36 it looks pretty much the same, that it looked with android kernel... Mar 19 09:21:46 android is cool Mar 19 09:21:52 wish it had sound support though Mar 19 09:21:52 i was talking about maemos mplayer in Mer Mar 19 09:22:00 ohh Mar 19 09:22:03 is it smooth enough tho Mar 19 09:22:06 i use it for xvid's Mar 19 09:22:08 my nokia. Mar 19 09:24:38 x29a: i'll help you with the issue if you promise me to document it on http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Documentation afterwards. Mar 19 09:25:22 http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Documentation/Making_x86_Mer_Bootable lol :) Mar 19 09:25:29 do people do this? Mar 19 09:25:36 yes Mar 19 09:25:44 why? Mar 19 09:25:51 http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/mertop.jpg Mar 19 09:26:03 cos there's a bunch of MIDs and touchscreen pcs that could use hildon Mar 19 09:26:09 also, the VMDK is made in a similar fashion Mar 19 09:26:14 i guess Mar 19 09:26:18 but im thinking normal computing Mar 19 09:26:23 a OS would be nicer Mar 19 09:26:30 it might be ok as a netbook remix really. Mar 19 09:26:45 yeah actually i should get a friend to try, he might like it Mar 19 09:26:51 has a acer aspire one Mar 19 09:29:15 zakkm: when you have 0.10 running, do me a favour and test if HIM works. Mar 19 09:29:26 its unarchiving now Mar 19 09:29:30 have a n800 btw. Mar 19 09:29:34 yeah, i know Mar 19 09:29:43 heh Mar 19 09:29:48 ill test whatever you like Mar 19 09:31:11 fair enough, keep track of http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Sprints/0.11 and change them into 100% if you verify it works, and change background color to LightGreen if 100% :P Mar 19 09:32:14 actually believe it or not, i have never edited a wiki. Mar 19 09:33:15 it's fairly easy when you see it Mar 19 09:33:32 signing up for maemo garage now Mar 19 09:33:59 ah, you can edit anonymously too Mar 19 09:34:15 i would like you to see it was me, if it is Mar 19 09:34:17 ah Mar 19 09:34:53 that way if i put soemthing is right, and forothers it isnt Mar 19 09:35:00 you could know and ask? idkk Mar 19 09:36:52 wooh mer booted Mar 19 09:36:59 ok, Meizirkki will be mentoring the test component, so he'll assign tasks to be tested and such Mar 19 09:37:28 halfway progress of bootsplash :) Mar 19 09:37:42 im a new tech addict :) Mar 19 09:37:48 i must have bleeding-edge Mar 19 09:37:58 :P Mar 19 09:37:59 one of the reasons i got into linux Mar 19 09:38:19 some things are okay, like hardware i dont care about Mar 19 09:38:26 but if you tell me theres a new firefox 4, i must see it Mar 19 09:38:43 there is a new firefox5 Mar 19 09:39:40 back, in black Mar 19 09:39:47 Stskeeps: hildon input popped up perfectly ( stylus type ) Mar 19 09:40:00 during "enter first name" of first startup Mar 19 09:40:04 Stskeeps: sounds like a fair deal, lemme get an account Mar 19 09:40:47 zakkm: k Mar 19 09:41:00 is there thumb keyboard, or just stylus? Mar 19 09:41:04 just stylus Mar 19 09:41:08 only open source so Mar 19 09:41:22 k then yes, him fully works well Mar 19 09:42:13 zakkm: then i guess you can tell meiz it works fine so he can update the summary and indicate you tested that :) Mar 19 09:42:33 Stskeeps: might just be me but why is midori in extras and not in "internet" ? Mar 19 09:42:48 cos life isn't fair :P Mar 19 09:42:57 *g* Mar 19 09:43:51 might be me, or just bad mer but i went to settings and then panels then organize Mar 19 09:43:53 and that froze. Mar 19 09:43:58 hi, sorry for the question but how can I send data via GET or POST using maemo C libraries? Mar 19 09:44:06 no fullscreen hardware buttons ? :( Mar 19 09:44:26 ohhh noo him in midori Mar 19 09:45:05 :( Mar 19 09:45:12 yeah, so it goes Mar 19 09:45:26 works fine in terminal though Mar 19 09:45:28 zakkm: do me a favour and do what's said on wiki.maemo.org/Mer/People as well Mar 19 09:46:17 i'm using Libconic to setup the connection... need to send parameters to an external URL over GET... a highscore for a game... Mar 19 09:46:32 i cant program or draw, i wont be any good :) Mar 19 09:46:51 could create a "bug" list though Mar 19 09:47:04 hom3r: just nitpicking, but shouldn't you POST that instead? Mar 19 09:47:13 zakkm: testing is fine too Mar 19 09:47:24 it's just so we keep track of the troops :P Mar 19 09:47:46 wow omg Mar 19 09:47:55 i went to open file. i pressed < .. and now it shows nothing and frozen Mar 19 09:48:06 wont close :( Mar 19 09:48:13 esc Mar 19 09:48:26 im on a n800 ;p Mar 19 09:48:40 there's a esc button, the top one in the 3 button thing on the left side Mar 19 09:48:41 ooo theres load-applet ;p Mar 19 09:50:43 ohh i so want to be a huge maemo person :) Mar 19 09:51:08 Stskeeps: so i have a n810, external sd, maemo on internal flash and external sd, internal sd is totally empty, i want to try mer, i have an usb cable beside me, im a novice with tablets but with basic programming and advanced unix skills Mar 19 09:51:09 Affiliation (employer) or occupation - .. i think id be the only one with "high school student" Mar 19 09:51:32 zakkm: nah, think there's a couple Mar 19 09:51:33 x29a: so nice :D running now Mar 19 09:51:36 x29a: oh, there you are Mar 19 09:51:43 x29a: http://rafb.net/p/561r8843.html Mar 19 09:52:25 Stskeeps: ok, will try that in a sec, facing wlan problem Mar 19 09:52:26 s Mar 19 09:53:18 hehh Mar 19 09:53:23 easy-deb-chroot from mer :D Mar 19 09:54:41 Stskeeps: are the repositories specfic to mer? Mar 19 09:55:04 no, that's maemo extras you see there Mar 19 09:55:51 ah Mar 19 09:55:55 can add extras-devel? Mar 19 09:56:46 ohh got him working in midori :D just starting working randomyl Mar 19 09:57:15 zakkm: did you press enter when text space selected? :P Mar 19 09:57:58 on a n800., Mar 19 09:58:43 ohh thats why Mar 19 09:58:50 i cant click on a text field, but i can change url? Mar 19 09:59:04 like text field doesnt bring up him , but address bar does Mar 19 09:59:39 yeah, two difference engines Mar 19 09:59:43 different Mar 19 10:00:21 :( midori crased Mar 19 10:00:28 i don't need the answer... I need a way to send player high score to an external server. DBUS or What? Please, help me :) Mar 19 10:00:55 hom3r: maybe use libcurl Mar 19 10:01:02 hom3r: sockets? Mar 19 10:02:40 so... i need to setup the connection through Libconic and after that send data via sockets Mar 19 10:02:49 zakkn, install arora :) Mar 19 10:03:00 it's way better than midori Mar 19 10:03:07 unable to install mplayer, package missing libsdl 1.2 Mar 19 10:03:21 thats not a good idea on a new unedited mer image :P Mar 19 10:03:38 wheres arora? Mar 19 10:03:38 or maemo recognize my sockets calls and lets the user choose Mar 19 10:04:02 Meiz_n810: what repository would have it, that i would add Mar 19 10:04:19 zakkm, go to Xtem, sudo su, and apt-get install arora Mar 19 10:04:43 easy said then done, slow typing on n800, stylus methods Mar 19 10:05:30 wow... found it.. libc6 Mar 19 10:06:55 Meiz_N810: downloading, will take a few minutes, thankss! :D Mar 19 10:06:57 where can I find some doc on changing the way my n800 mount various partitions on the different /media/mmcX ? Mar 19 10:07:12 really want to use mer-only Mar 19 10:07:23 finally the n810 is online Mar 19 10:07:49 x29a: hows it going? Mar 19 10:07:58 i wish i had a n810 so much now Mar 19 10:08:16 should of bought one Mar 19 10:08:24 i wish I had the touchbook now Mar 19 10:08:33 touchbook? Mar 19 10:08:44 hello everybody Mar 19 10:08:47 zakkm: im facing internal network problems, slow things down Mar 19 10:08:50 wazzup wazd Mar 19 10:09:13 morning wazd Mar 19 10:09:28 zakkm -> https://www.alwaysinnovating.com/touchbook/ Mar 19 10:09:34 zakkm: think i will flash a fresh maemo to internal storage first, then do mer installing on internal sd Mar 19 10:09:40 wazd: want a mailing list for mer-ui-artwork while i'm at it? Mar 19 10:10:11 could i signup to insane mailing lists for mer / maemo? Mar 19 10:10:33 there'll be a mer-testing list soon Mar 19 10:10:42 but even maemo itself Mar 19 10:10:48 ah, maemo Mar 19 10:10:49 plenty Mar 19 10:10:52 isn't there a pyrecipe for the desktop? Mar 19 10:10:53 bah Mar 19 10:10:57 like i tend to visit internettablettalk daily , and see latest posts and such Mar 19 10:11:02 but i fear im still way behind Mar 19 10:11:14 mind linking me to a guide / signup page? Mar 19 10:11:24 Stskeeps: well, why not :) Mar 19 10:12:03 where is the wallpaper located in mer? would like to replace.. not that its not a good wallpaper ;p Mar 19 10:12:27 if you have 0.10 you're going to have difficulties changing it atm :P Mar 19 10:12:46 is it redone every bootup or something? Mar 19 10:12:50 nah Mar 19 10:12:52 i can scale to correct res? Mar 19 10:12:55 the menu just isn't visible :P Mar 19 10:13:13 oh Mar 19 10:13:31 smart idea using 0.10 :D Mar 19 10:14:00 i think lcuk will be mad, i cant get it to startup :) Mar 19 10:14:41 in terminal it goes to "failed -1: canvas xsp raw mouse init failed Mar 19 10:15:11 yeah Mar 19 10:15:45 would there be a way for me to manually add new hildon input method, so i can have thumb keyboard? Mar 19 10:15:52 replacing stylus Mar 19 10:16:04 yeah, if you write it :P Mar 19 10:16:27 Hiya. Can anyone tell me what's handling the polling for external mmc on the n810? Is it hotplug? (I want to change to location where the external mmc is mounted). Mar 19 10:17:02 Stskeeps: so it just not a matter of updating the package? Mar 19 10:17:20 ElPollo: magnetic door and ke-recv Mar 19 10:17:25 the "update package to mer" guide? Mar 19 10:17:34 except not uploading Mar 19 10:18:15 AHH arora i cant type at all, no input method comes up Mar 19 10:19:56 but it doesn't crash :P Mar 19 10:20:38 well on a n810 i would so love it Mar 19 10:20:42 been just clicking bookmarks Mar 19 10:20:48 but on a n800, does me no good Mar 19 10:21:29 Meiz_n810: any other stuff worth trying? Mar 19 10:22:01 Stskeeps: Ah thanks! Mar 19 10:23:17 ahh snap rotation just screwed me up Mar 19 10:25:49 hey this is going out in the dark but if i use my f-to-f usb .. would a usb keyboard be recognized in mer? Mar 19 10:26:27 zakkm, cant get what to startup Mar 19 10:26:37 ? Mar 19 10:26:47 it doesnt recognize it at all? Mar 19 10:28:27 ahhh you are in mer and trying to use liqbase Mar 19 10:28:52 yup :) Mar 19 10:29:03 wanted to test apps Mar 19 10:29:30 heh, theres more incompatible on mer :( Mar 19 10:29:32 i think Mar 19 10:29:38 wazd: it will be on http://garage.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/mer-artwork in 24 hours or so Mar 19 10:29:41 hi lcuk Mar 19 10:29:45 * lcuk throws an xv overlay @ stskeeps Mar 19 10:29:47 one of my fave apps, and thats only because i use mplayer for vid watching(teenager here..) and i need web browser :D Mar 19 10:30:01 hi woglinde Mar 19 10:30:10 Stskeeps: is that all the mailing lists?!??!?! Mar 19 10:30:23 zakkm: on garage.. Mar 19 10:30:37 is there main ones? Mar 19 10:31:00 like memos/thoughts perhaps.. these seem to be package specific and commit changes Mar 19 10:31:28 whats the difference between soft poweroff and switch off? Mar 19 10:33:42 soft poweroff is like standby i think Mar 19 10:33:45 or hibernate Mar 19 10:33:58 * Stskeeps ponders if we just crashed garage Mar 19 10:33:58 it doesnt need to boot afterwards Mar 19 10:42:39 x29a: how goes mer? Mar 19 10:42:57 not at all Mar 19 10:43:05 ive got a fresh maemo in my flash now Mar 19 10:43:12 but my network has the hickups Mar 19 10:43:20 :( Mar 19 10:43:26 non n810 related problem Mar 19 10:43:27 doesnt go fast enough? Mar 19 10:43:42 doesnt work at all Mar 19 10:43:57 its some weird router<->router communication or something Mar 19 10:44:33 im switching to my mobile isp right now, that should be slow but work Mar 19 10:45:07 expensive too isnt it? Mar 19 10:45:10 wow, OMAP3 can handle shaders 2.0! Mar 19 10:45:10 nope Mar 19 10:45:22 zakkm: downloading the installer again Mar 19 10:46:10 Stskeeps: would installing "xserver-xomap" give any advant/disadvantages? Mar 19 10:46:36 Why no shaders in Maemo 5 UI then :( Mar 19 10:46:55 cause its still slow ;p Mar 19 10:47:09 its still alpha isnt it? Mar 19 10:54:44 good morning Mar 19 10:55:32 yay xchat in mer ;p Mar 19 10:57:21 Morning, all Mar 19 10:58:06 morning. Mar 19 11:01:21 * ElPollo wonders about the mmc stuff in af-defines Mar 19 11:03:59 florian, Jaffa: morning Mar 19 11:09:58 zakkm: no HIM Mar 19 11:10:23 Stskeeps:for what? Mar 19 11:10:27 Jaffa: neatojones was looking for you - he had quite an interesting idea regarding autohildonization Mar 19 11:10:30 no you Mar 19 11:10:30 zakkm: in general Mar 19 11:10:31 oh i will lose him if i do that Mar 19 11:10:37 ? Mar 19 11:11:06 yeah Mar 19 11:12:44 wish i had a n810, would make mer so much more useful Mar 19 11:14:18 will it ever have thumb keyboard as good as maemo Mar 19 11:14:30 we hope so Mar 19 11:15:48 wow Mar 19 11:15:52 abiword started up Mar 19 11:15:59 no HIM :( Mar 19 11:18:45 Stskeeps: finally installed the installer, running that now, then booting back to flash and changing the bootmenu or? Mar 19 11:18:59 or should i change the bootmenu before even running the bootmenu installer? Mar 19 11:19:21 x29a : :o still working on it Mar 19 11:19:49 my mobile isp is at 5kb/s Mar 19 11:20:08 woow Mar 19 11:20:21 x29a: i would do it in between bootmenu installer and installing mer Mar 19 11:20:29 ok Mar 19 11:21:10 zakkm: can i download the .10 image to my laptop and adjust URL= so i dont have to load it with my mobile isp? Mar 19 11:21:54 yeah Mar 19 11:21:59 but it has to have a http server on it :P Mar 19 11:22:40 easy Mar 19 11:24:07 sorry i left, x29a you do realize im no expert, and stskeeps i believe is the main maintainer of mer Mar 19 11:24:23 yeah, i also figured he will read along Mar 19 11:24:32 true say Mar 19 11:29:23 guess mer isn;t for me yet. Mar 19 11:29:36 no HIM, well for the most part cant do much Mar 19 11:29:53 it's sadly not 1.0, but we're moving right ahead Mar 19 11:29:59 please file bugs on the issues you met. Mar 19 11:30:05 ohh its moving fast Mar 19 11:30:15 else we won't be able to fix the Mar 19 11:30:16 m, Mar 19 11:30:37 do they have to be like proper documentation Mar 19 11:30:42 bug reports Mar 19 11:31:06 just indicate what problems you ran into Mar 19 11:31:12 in a bug report for each Mar 19 11:31:19 https://bugs.maemo.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=Mer Mar 19 11:31:32 .. ok, i guess i should edit versions, hmm Mar 19 11:31:45 andre__: ping Mar 19 11:32:56 Can I boot mer from other partitions than the 1st one? Mar 19 11:33:37 device? Mar 19 11:34:21 Hello ! Mar 19 11:34:28 1 Mar 19 11:34:37 openssh or dropbear sshd? Mar 19 11:34:37 Damn :) Mar 19 11:35:46 Hmm... anyone got idea why dpkg-buildpackage does not work on MicroB repos in scratchbox. Mar 19 11:36:09 (i'm trying to build google gears) Mar 19 11:37:29 I've installed mer on my n810 on mmc 0 partition 3, but after a few seconds, after selecting it from the bootmenu, it powercycles. Unfortunately I cannot see an error, so I'm having troubles figuring out what's wrong. Mar 19 11:38:02 ElPollo: ok, can you check if /dev/mmcblk0p2 exists? Mar 19 11:38:43 mmcblk0p1 is an vfat partition, mmcblk0p2 is a swap parition and mmcblk0p3 is an ext3 partition. Mar 19 11:39:06 From maemo I can mount the p1 and p3. Mar 19 11:39:10 k Mar 19 11:39:15 and you used the installer? Mar 19 11:39:45 simple or advanced? Mar 19 11:40:38 I used the installer, but partitioned before starting the installer and skipped the partitioning part in the installer. Mar 19 11:41:36 k Mar 19 11:41:44 can you show me the /etc/bootmenu.d/ .item file? Mar 19 11:42:12 how come everyone owns a n810 ;p Mar 19 11:42:21 i feel left out Mar 19 11:42:24 i own a n800. Mar 19 11:42:31 oh really Mar 19 11:42:32 i had to borrow a n810 to patch mer for it. Mar 19 11:42:37 heh Mar 19 11:42:44 I have a N810 Mar 19 11:43:17 im going to buy an n800 for the hell of it, and to have a spare nit :) Mar 19 11:43:28 want to buy mine? :D Mar 19 11:44:06 zakkm:can't: don't have enough money :( , but im still saving up:) Mar 19 11:44:20 Stskeeps: want a specific line? or the complete file? Mar 19 11:44:22 * Myrtti is one of the weirdos that prefer n800 Mar 19 11:44:27 ElPollo: whole file Mar 19 11:44:34 Myrtti: i'm not too fond of the n810 kbd else Mar 19 11:44:35 $150 cdn for tablet with f-f adapter and case etc Mar 19 11:44:37 else=either Mar 19 11:44:43 Myrtti: It has bigger screen i think? Mar 19 11:45:09 ElPollo: just pastebin it on rafb.net/paste Mar 19 11:45:09 i hate touchscreen keyboards. Mar 19 11:45:42 Same here... but if i could choose N810 would be 6 inches not four... Mar 19 11:45:42 * xnt had to use his n810's soft kb to avoid waking up his parents, with hw kb clicking noise, and knows nows how n800 users feel with no hw kb :) Mar 19 11:46:00 Stskeeps: the internal flash doesnt need an .item or? Mar 19 11:46:08 Stskeeps: http://files.rune.nl/mer-item.txt Mar 19 11:46:15 x29a: its in the bootmenu.conf Mar 19 11:46:26 x29a: failsafe, it's always in the bootmenu.conf Mar 19 11:46:31 ah ok, so the .item in bootmenu.d are just extra entries? Mar 19 11:46:35 very good Mar 19 11:46:35 ElPollo: ok, internal or external card? Mar 19 11:46:37 * zakkm learns xnt needs a soundproof house :) Mar 19 11:46:47 or move out Mar 19 11:46:50 Stskeeps: internal Mar 19 11:46:55 ElPollo: edit the file and make it say ${INT_CARD} instead of mmcblk0 Mar 19 11:47:01 and then run refresh_bootmenu.d Mar 19 11:47:09 * xnt can't because he is in the 8th grade :( Mar 19 11:47:10 do me a favour and check if /linuxrc exists on p3 first though Mar 19 11:47:16 8th grade? wow Mar 19 11:47:20 * zakkm is in 12th Mar 19 11:48:00 yeah . alot of people here are in highschool. Mar 19 11:48:30 would of thought a ipod community would have more ;p Mar 19 11:49:01 Oh, I am in the oldies section as university student? :) Mar 19 11:49:31 Stskeeps: hum... stupid question, but how do I modprobe ext2 from maemo? Mar 19 11:49:37 smart kiddos around Mar 19 11:49:43 Razumihin: no Mar 19 11:50:13 * zakkm will trade his n800 + $50 for a n810 :D Mar 19 11:50:24 Razumihin: i'm writing my masters thesis :P Mar 19 11:50:34 Stskeeps: installed bootloader, now installing MER, i hope Mar 19 11:50:48 Ok :) Mar 19 11:50:54 ElPollo: insmod /mnt/initfs/lib/modules/2.6.21-omap1/{mbcache,jbd,ext3}.ko Mar 19 11:51:01 Stskeeps: go with advanced? Mar 19 11:51:04 * Myrtti feels old Mar 19 11:51:20 Myrtti: whats your age again? Mar 19 11:51:20 Stskeeps: Ah. k. (installer did that for me earlier ;)) Mar 19 11:51:40 x29a: simple Mar 19 11:51:51 Myrtti: if i recall your age correctly my fiancee is actually older than you, heh Mar 19 11:52:03 Damn this scratchbox is confusing... I think i failed somewhere pretty well... Mar 19 11:52:17 x29a: GCS/ED/FA/H/P/S/L/O d- s:+ a28 C++ UL+ P+ L+++ E W+++ N+ o K+ w+(---) !O M?>+ V? PS++>$ PE>$ Y+ PGP- t+ 5+++ X+ R tv- b+++ DI++++ D-- G e>+++ h- r x+ Mar 19 11:52:28 :D Mar 19 11:52:43 wtf is that :P Mar 19 11:52:48 ah, ze geek code Mar 19 11:52:50 kids. Mar 19 11:52:53 lol Mar 19 11:52:57 :) Mar 19 11:52:59 Ststkeeps: /linuxrc exists.. Trying bootmenu change. Mar 19 11:53:01 don't recognize geekcode Mar 19 11:53:27 does geek code still exist? i heard they dont update/use it any more Mar 19 11:53:32 Myrtti: ok, one year difference Mar 19 11:53:38 Hmh... do i even need MicroB to compile plugin packages for it... Mar 19 11:54:15 Hes 28 :P Mar 19 11:54:17 Some thorough developers manual for maemo would be great. Mar 19 11:55:16 Razumihin: it's impossible to document everything really Mar 19 11:55:39 Stskeeps: Yes. I know. It's always this with new platform Mar 19 11:55:42 Stskeeps: Ah.. The INT_CARD var did the trick. Why's that? Mar 19 11:55:58 One must learn by trial and error. Mar 19 11:56:06 Maemo uses different device map? Mar 19 11:56:26 ElPollo: kernel bug, there's a discussion somewhere about it on iTT Mar 19 11:56:31 ElPollo: please report the bug :) Mar 19 11:56:41 it should write INT_CARD, not mmcblk0 Mar 19 11:56:47 mmcblkwhatever does -not- belong in bootmenu conf Mar 19 11:56:50 The idea of getting involved in maemo platform for me was to port despotify on it :) Mar 19 11:57:08 Hi, this is out of deve-focus - but can N810 wlan act as AP to setup phone-connection sharing ? if does, any guides to do that ? Mar 19 11:57:22 Stskeeps: Report the bug to whom? :P Mar 19 11:57:31 ElPollo: http://bugs.maemo.org/enter_bug.cgi?producT=Mer Mar 19 11:57:34 ElPollo: http://bugs.maemo.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=Mer Mar 19 11:57:52 downloading rootstrap Mar 19 11:57:58 Stskeeps: Oki. Thanks! :) Mar 19 11:58:14 Razumihin: worthwhile cause Mar 19 11:59:43 Stskeeps: Yes. I think it would bring lot's of new users to this platform. Mar 19 12:00:02 (and maybe it would help nokia to realize that linux is better platform than symbian...) Mar 19 12:00:42 heh Mar 19 12:00:43 Despotify has been blocked for users using 'Free' accounts. Mar 19 12:00:43 You can still use Despotify using 'Premium' accounts. Mar 19 12:01:35 Yes. I bought the premium to develop. Mar 19 12:01:58 (and use spotify at work as I just can't risk using p2p in our firm) Mar 19 12:02:20 i use last.fm extensively personally :P Mar 19 12:02:29 i will hug the person who ports something like thelastripper. Mar 19 12:02:55 It might be nice also. Mar 19 12:03:19 (imagine offline last.fm ..) Mar 19 12:03:33 I like spotify better because of the sound quality and the possibility to choose your songs one by one Mar 19 12:03:42 has anyone ported EtherApe? Mar 19 12:03:49 there's no spotify in .dk afaik, so Mar 19 12:04:01 Yes :/ Mar 19 12:04:16 You coulduse despotify if you can get an account. Mar 19 12:04:18 on the other hand, recording from radio -is- legal in .dk Mar 19 12:04:19 :P Mar 19 12:04:46 (as you can select the contrycode yourself :)) Mar 19 12:05:02 hehe Mar 19 12:05:09 Ok. Let's see now i should have working google gears. Mar 19 12:05:26 Stskeeps: mer installer simple will put the system to p3 or? Mar 19 12:05:30 yes Mar 19 12:05:32 ...or crashing browser. Mar 19 12:05:35 and swap on p2 and a fat on p1 Mar 19 12:05:40 ok Mar 19 12:05:47 extracting rootfs Mar 19 12:06:09 i overheard linuxrc, so could i in principle just extract an gentoo-arm tarball to the partition and boot that? Mar 19 12:06:38 yes Mar 19 12:07:21 is maemo quicker, booting from sd vs internal flash? Mar 19 12:07:30 Stskeeps: Whats the difference between the Mer bootmenu, and the deblet bootmenu? Mar 19 12:07:35 xnt: nothing whatsoever Mar 19 12:07:43 it is actually "bootmenu svn" Mar 19 12:07:52 oh Mar 19 12:08:16 thanks Mar 19 12:08:54 lunchtime Mar 19 12:09:13 Stskeeps: you know if i can get mer liberty theme for maemo? Mar 19 12:09:25 Ok.. crashing browser. Let's try this again... Mar 19 12:09:36 zakkm: i think so, but i'm not sure where it is Mar 19 12:13:48 wazd: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UMEGuide/DesigningForFingerUIs Mar 19 12:16:28 Stskeeps: http://xceleo.com/vmware-mer.png Nice work :) Mar 19 12:17:59 just like that guide that stskeeps posted, I have small fingers :), I barely use my stylus Mar 19 12:18:06 heh 0.10 ui looks alot better Mar 19 12:19:29 zakkm: where? do you have it? (wasn't 0.10 dropped?) Mar 19 12:19:43 it was internal. Mar 19 12:19:55 zakkm: do you have a screenshot? Mar 19 12:20:49 http://zenvoid.org/tmp/mer-new-layout/screenshot1.png Mar 19 12:21:23 xnt: ah, your screenshot Mar 19 12:21:42 zakkm: yeah its better :) Mar 19 12:21:53 +? Mar 19 12:22:45 Stskeeps: I installed Mer in vmware server, and it works fine, so I wanted to compliment you in its adaptability :) Mar 19 12:22:56 xnt: ah, yes, it's intended to be used like that :) Mar 19 12:23:46 Stskeeps: ok, and btw are there any plans for a powerpc (cell) port? Mar 19 12:23:46 reMOO Mar 19 12:24:24 xnt: we did have plans for a wii port, but i don't have a powerpc builder running Mar 19 12:25:39 Stskeeps: no a ps3 port (cell = ps3 processor) the ps3 can run ubuntu http://psubuntu.com/ Mar 19 12:25:46 xnt: yeah, i know Mar 19 12:26:12 Stskeeps: so I can just cross compile it for the ps3? Mar 19 12:26:16 ubuntu has a powerpc port. it's pretty trivial to get it porting, but i just don't have a builder going Mar 19 12:26:20 or compile it on the ps3 Mar 19 12:26:44 ok :) Mar 19 12:28:19 I just saw that ps3 on tabletui, and I said, that mer+ps3+controller drivers=fun Mar 19 12:28:27 hehe Mar 19 12:29:17 How about an alternative xmb style interface? Mar 19 12:29:47 xmbwhat? Mar 19 12:30:30 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XrossMediaBar Mar 19 12:30:53 ok I have to go to school :P Mar 19 12:31:01 why does mer remind me more of os2007 Mar 19 12:31:17 lcuk: because of the icons Mar 19 12:31:36 that would explain it Mar 19 12:31:52 mornin btw Mar 19 12:34:36 Any plans for having mer run on JFFS2? Mar 19 12:35:01 ElPollo: it already does Mar 19 12:35:25 morning timelE61i Mar 19 12:35:50 is it slower off jffs2? Mar 19 12:36:08 Stskeeps: It does? I thought I just installed it on an ext3 part. Mar 19 12:36:30 ElPollo: we have a .jffs file too but it's more experimental and will naturally overwrite your maemo :P Mar 19 12:37:08 Stskeeps: EXT3 it is, then. :P Mar 19 12:37:24 ElPollo: ta for the bug report btw, added it to the list Mar 19 12:37:28 i suppose that would force people to stick at it Mar 19 12:38:44 oh dear god, not another flash-in-mer discussion Mar 19 12:38:52 lol Mar 19 12:39:23 anywho know why mediabox doesnt like to connect to internet? Mar 19 12:39:43 it will find out about stuff but wont play ;p Mar 19 12:42:34 anyone have mplayer in mer? Mar 19 12:56:35 hi Mar 19 13:06:42 I started a adhoc-net with my n800.. is there a way to see all ip's which are connected to my device? Mar 19 13:11:50 thopiekar: Euh... perhaps a broadcast ping, or a nmap sweep. I don't know of any OOB method. Mar 19 13:12:13 hmm Mar 19 13:13:16 thopiekar, i keep wanting the same, i see i have "something" ocnnected because it opens up but i dont know which machine ive left wifi enabled on Mar 19 13:14:26 is nmap available in maemo.repos? Mar 19 13:14:33 it don't seem so.. Mar 19 13:17:08 * thopiekar isn't using extra-repos because he hates adding these extra repos and removing them when they are offline.. every repo-manitainer should add his stable packages at maemo-repos and unstable at his own if he want.. Mar 19 13:21:19 lcuk: "lanmap" would be nice to provide on nit'S.. it is able to show your network in 2D (by graphviz it think).. Mar 19 13:21:35 btw graphviz.. where is jeremaid... Mar 19 13:29:01 thopiekar, i can think of something i would like t orender it to - i was discussing an app using liqbase with someone last night which may provide similar network overviews Mar 19 13:29:19 X-Fade: ping Mar 19 13:29:33 lanmap... will it compile? (atm it won't even check out :() Mar 19 13:30:41 thopiekar: about nmap, you could also download the deb to your tablet and install it from file. That way you don't need extra repos. Mar 19 13:31:36 ElPollo: what about updates.. my app manager should care about that and not I.. Mar 19 13:31:38 :P Mar 19 13:32:14 * thopiekar is learning now for a class test.. Mar 19 13:45:19 Stskeeps: oh, what was neatojones' idea? Mar 19 13:45:31 hey Jaffa Mar 19 13:45:34 just a sec Mar 19 13:45:37 lo neatojones Mar 19 13:45:40 hello Mar 19 13:45:41 hi all Mar 19 13:46:37 have you seen globalmen for gnome? Mar 19 13:46:41 @jaffa Mar 19 13:46:48 globalmenu Mar 19 13:46:53 No; is it like an OS X menu bar thing? Mar 19 13:47:06 http://code.google.com/p/gnome2-globalmenu/ Mar 19 13:47:24 Aha, yes. Mar 19 13:47:40 yeah. But, basically if we implemented the same concept... Mar 19 13:47:50 we could get away without having to hildonize apps Mar 19 13:48:30 neatojones: + Mar 19 13:48:32 This is what Nokia should''ve done Mar 19 13:48:46 We just need to take the same sort of idea and put the menu into a dropdown instead of a menu bar Mar 19 13:48:57 is there anyway we can do this? Mar 19 13:48:59 not all apps work with globalmenu. Mar 19 13:49:04 Hildon really needs it Mar 19 13:49:10 firefox and others down Mar 19 13:49:11 don't Mar 19 13:49:32 but firefox and openoffice are too big for us and could be individually hildonized as before Mar 19 13:49:33 neatojones: it's also fairly simple (theoretically) with LD_PRELOAD to intercept calls to GtkMenuBar being added to GtkWindow and turn them into hildin_menu calls to HildonWindows Mar 19 13:49:40 but, now, we don't waste time hildonizing everything Mar 19 13:49:58 Jaffa: The other important things is that once we hildonize apps Mar 19 13:50:07 we can't use them in lxde or gnome or e17 Mar 19 13:50:09 Hildonizing is still useful for getting a usable mobile UI, but doing auto-menu bars and auto HildonWindows will help in things like Mer Mar 19 13:50:16 they are missing their menus Mar 19 13:50:38 so, our current method is a bad solution. Mar 19 13:50:51 I also had another idea...but I don't recall it atm. Mar 19 13:51:02 jaffa +1, running a native gtk application and having it appear in the deskt opand be usable with the hildon bits without specific package/app modifications would be a major benefit Mar 19 13:51:04 Stskeeps... do you remember what the other part was? Mar 19 13:51:21 a centralized menu however wouldnt be useful since only one app at a time is shown Mar 19 13:51:38 neatojones: can dig out the log if you want me to Mar 19 13:51:47 nah...I could do that Mar 19 13:52:12 hi, all Mar 19 13:52:44 shiny: http://blog.pixelbreaker.com/polarclock/ Mar 19 13:52:45 hi allen Mar 19 13:53:05 lcuk: isn't that the whole purpose of the globalmenu; providing the menu for the app currently focussed? Mar 19 13:53:22 oh. Since we are making a top bar (and doing away with the side bar). What is keeping us from resuming compatability with gtk themeing for hildon? Mar 19 13:53:44 ie: The top bar ought to be able to use the same theme as gtk Mar 19 13:54:02 theming seems a bit more complex than it will need to be currently. Mar 19 13:54:07 ElPollo, isnt that what a menu does anyway? Mar 19 13:54:07 neatojones: mm, that part is a bit of a can of worms though, cos of h-d Mar 19 13:54:23 That's what I was thinking. Mar 19 13:54:25 VDVsx: hi, I am intresting in the SocialApp based on OpenSocial project applied to gsoc 2009 Mar 19 13:54:42 But, it seems like the newer style ought to allow better compatability. Mar 19 13:55:13 VDVsx: ping? Mar 19 13:55:13 we had to theme specific things in the previous version, like the side bar and that tray bar. Mar 19 13:55:23 allen, hi Mar 19 13:55:23 the single bar, could fix that. Mar 19 13:55:26 lcuk: it does, but normally inside the application. Afaik globalmenu is the MacOS way of handling menu's. Mar 19 13:55:43 VDVsx: I am intresting in the SocialApp based on OpenSocial project applied to gsoc 2009 Mar 19 13:55:49 im impressed Mar 19 13:55:50 MacOSX rules :) Mar 19 13:55:54 mer looks really nice Mar 19 13:56:06 globalmenu was created to mimic mac's Mar 19 13:56:09 years ago ;p Mar 19 13:56:18 x29a: you got it installed? Mar 19 13:56:23 x29a: not thanks to me, thanks to the artists in residence :P Mar 19 13:57:22 yeah. what we have in hildon is teh same concept as globalmenu Mar 19 13:57:25 zakkm: yepp, crashed twice already and nm is beeing a pita, but looks nice Mar 19 13:57:46 the "delay" i read somewhere is not lack of ressources but some driverissue? Mar 19 13:57:50 no hildon is different ;p Mar 19 13:57:58 x29a: "delay"? Mar 19 13:57:59 lol Mar 19 13:58:02 bad X ;p Mar 19 13:58:21 Stskeeps: you do the things that make the nice look possible, right? Mar 19 13:58:24 nm was perfect for me? Mar 19 13:58:32 Stskeeps: the interface seems slow Mar 19 13:58:51 x29a: ah, yes, xserver issue Mar 19 13:59:27 * lcuk would drag xserver kicking and screaming from diablo but i dont know the first thing about how :$ Mar 19 13:59:31 me r 1.0 will be awesome :) Mar 19 13:59:32 neatojones: if the menu can be 'caught' and put under the menu button without having to alter the code of the application, then that would be quite a nice feature. Mar 19 13:59:46 Stskeeps: which part do you want documented? basically getting the install information out of the 0.9sprint into an own article? Mar 19 14:00:02 Can we borrow from globalmenu or something? Mar 19 14:00:05 x29a: just document the process of making your SD item Mar 19 14:00:17 they already do exactly that. They even have the ability to do dropdown Mar 19 14:00:24 * zakkm lost his 4gb sd card Mar 19 14:00:30 sdhc* Mar 19 14:00:38 zakkm: due to defect or literally lost it? Mar 19 14:00:40 I accidentally compiled with the wrong flags once a year or so ago and got a drop down by acccident Mar 19 14:00:48 Stskeeps: ok, easypeasy Mar 19 14:00:49 I have used it since Mar 19 14:01:04 haven't* Mar 19 14:02:22 literaly lsot it Mar 19 14:02:24 i cant find it Mar 19 14:02:39 i put it on the table, cause i didnt want it to get erased while partitioning, formatting etc Mar 19 14:02:45 like two weeks ago Mar 19 14:02:59 and my nokias not been working and ive been too busy and now i cant find it anywhere Mar 19 14:03:19 anyway. I think we need to do something because we currently have a poor solution for the long run. It'll be much easier to get new apps included if we don't have to modify for hildon...and like I said, once you hildonize, you can't use the apps for other window managers (ie mer using e17 or lxde) Mar 19 14:03:21 micro sd ones are worst for that Mar 19 14:04:15 if you abandon the need for hildon you need a new window manager - cos i think it only lists hildon apps as available Mar 19 14:04:26 thats not a bad thing at all Mar 19 14:04:46 he he Mar 19 14:04:58 s/new window manager/modification to the WM/ Mar 19 14:04:59 I always put minisd cards into those large plastic cases so they wouldn't get lost Mar 19 14:05:06 s/minisd/microsd/ Mar 19 14:05:06 mgedmin meant: I always put microsd cards into those large plastic cases so they wouldn't get lost Mar 19 14:05:08 well, both actually Mar 19 14:05:25 infobot: don't you think people here have learned what s/foo/bar/ means by now? Mar 19 14:05:30 haha Mar 19 14:05:33 garage fail: Warning: eregi() [function.eregi]: REG_BADRPT in /usr/local/gforge_v4_5_20/www/account/register.php on line 74 Mar 19 14:05:46 at least 5 1/4 and 3.5 inch floppies couldnt easily be swallowed or lost Mar 19 14:05:57 just bent Mar 19 14:06:22 Do you really need to abandon hildon? Or can you also put a layer between hildon and the application to transfer a gtk menu to a hildon menu without having to alter the code? (the same way globalmenu does) Mar 19 14:06:35 i tohught about making a little box for micro sd cards like you used to flip through for floppies Mar 19 14:06:43 but then i wondered how to get labels made for em Mar 19 14:07:10 * mgedmin used to have multiple boxes of unlabeled foppies Mar 19 14:07:18 the contents changed all the time anyway Mar 19 14:07:33 i could recognise floppies from the general markings on them - torn off label bits and marks and stuff Mar 19 14:07:36 ElPollo: I don't think you need to abandon hildon Mar 19 14:07:42 why? Mar 19 14:08:12 neatojones: Lol.. (that was my point). should've mentioned it was a reply to lcuk. Mar 19 14:08:15 neatojones, if apps are already hildonized you dont want to have to redo it Mar 19 14:09:02 theres nothing *wrong* with it as it stands now for apps, it just helps for future to be able to just use the generic offered features of apps without having to specifically mention its hildon Mar 19 14:09:06 yeah. I understand Mar 19 14:09:19 ElPollo: I think we can do that with LD_PRELOAD, yes. Mar 19 14:09:25 lcuk, I misread before. Mar 19 14:09:38 lcuck: That would be important Mar 19 14:09:51 anyway bbiab Mar 19 14:10:46 eventually, if new hildon apps are created with the new style, it won't matter. Mar 19 14:11:02 old ones will get replaced. But we do need a fix for now. Mar 19 14:22:51 Stskeeps: wonna keep the installer information in the 0.9sprint or should i start an article on how to install mer right away? Mar 19 14:23:23 i guess it could be useful to start putting things in Documentation/ Mar 19 14:23:44 agreed Mar 19 14:39:22 wazd: had that 64 by 64 for me? Mar 19 14:39:43 just so i can test that's actually the problem Mar 19 15:23:08 So.. SB2 .. it emulates a read only filesystem? Mar 19 15:24:50 no, just non-root user Mar 19 15:25:26 use sb2 -R for root functions Mar 19 15:26:41 sb2 -R apt-get update reveals: Could not open file /var/lib/apt/lists/partial/repository.maemo.org_dists_diablo_sdk_free_binary-i386_Packages - open (30 Read-only file system) Mar 19 15:26:50 Running this in a 32bit ubuntu chroot. Mar 19 15:27:06 I'm either being very daft (a possibility) or it's doing some very funny stuff. Mar 19 15:29:49 rmt: sb2 -eR Mar 19 15:30:16 Thanks! Mar 19 15:41:32 :S mer connection manager is giving me a headache. :P Mar 19 15:41:54 networkmanager. the open source way to kill all hope in humanity Mar 19 15:41:55 :P Mar 19 15:42:12 Heheheh :D Mar 19 15:43:33 The way some connections just become unmanaged, and there's no obvious way to re-manage them.. Mar 19 15:44:06 Try setting up an ad-hoc connection with manual ipv4 parameters :P Mar 19 15:45:04 (I think I will stick to the killall nm-applet && iwconfig wlan0 way for now) Mar 19 15:45:52 Saturday April 04, Eindhoven: Aphex Twin, Florian Hecker, Venetian Squares, Luke Vibert, Tim Exile, Squarepusher http://www.strp.nl/strp/article/33 Mar 19 15:45:58 o/ Mar 19 15:57:01 Meizirkki: Moi Mar 19 15:57:30 hehe,nice, vnc to big pc Mar 19 15:58:20 Can scratchbox use 4 or more cores? Mar 19 16:00:32 Does the n810 have some magical 'vulcan neckgrip' to reboot the device? Mar 19 16:00:40 hhahlo, Moro Mar 19 16:00:58 ElPollo, poppin' the battery Mar 19 16:01:25 qwerty12: I was afraid someone would say that. :P Mar 19 16:01:35 Hehe :P Mar 19 16:02:29 ElPollo: even the power button is all in software :P Mar 19 16:03:21 Stskeeps: I'm missing the sysrq key :P At least then I would be able to eject the kernel (well, I would need an ALT key too). Mar 19 16:04:52 ubuntu: shift+alt+printscrn+b Mar 19 16:07:06 Mer is kind of ubuntu, maybe sysrq works mer? Mar 19 16:07:33 needs to be in kernel Mar 19 16:08:34 forgot that mer got diabolic kernel Mar 19 16:08:41 nokia_2420_defconfig has CONFIG_MAGIC_SYSRQ enabled Mar 19 16:10:18 qwerty12: can you be lured to head up patching a kernel source tree with rndis, rotation and whatever else would be really useful fixes (48mhz patch might be damaging for the internal mmc..) Mar 19 16:10:42 so we can bundle that with mer Mar 19 16:10:46 Bah, http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/kernel/uber_kernel.diff is the shit :p Mar 19 16:10:56 But sure Mar 19 16:11:31 ta, much appreciated :) Mar 19 16:32:15 moo all Mar 19 16:32:52 moo Mar 19 16:37:08 Sts: How are things? Got full UI running in MeR? =) Mar 19 16:37:25 waiting for 64x64 icons Mar 19 16:38:39 is curl for n810 aviable? Mar 19 16:38:48 (precompiled with the deb) Mar 19 16:39:35 oh dear god. scanwiches.com. Mar 19 16:39:35 i built curl a while back, so it is possible Mar 19 16:39:56 Yes, i know that it's possible ^_^ Mar 19 16:40:03 Stskeeps: ++ Mar 19 16:42:48 Sts: ugly! don't let lcuk near it! =) Mar 19 16:46:57 I'm back) Mar 19 16:47:15 wb Mar 19 16:47:23 Ha, everybody is completely ambivalent to everything on Planet. ;) Mar 19 16:47:30 Tried to learn flash for UI prototyping) Mar 19 16:47:40 GeneralAntilles: the hearts and thumbs down doesn't work Mar 19 16:47:52 Stskeeps, yeah, I know, but it still looks funny. Mar 19 16:47:55 cOol Mar 19 16:47:59 Gan/sts... Mar 19 16:48:09 Our latest release has an awesome feature Mar 19 16:48:21 Exploding devices? Mar 19 16:48:23 You're limited in window count to sides of a cube Mar 19 16:48:40 ah. you're including compiz? Mar 19 16:48:40 :P Mar 19 16:48:50 So if you've filled your cube and open a window, you get an emptyish window Mar 19 16:48:58 Well, that'd be one way to help keep RAM usage down. Mar 19 16:49:02 yeah Mar 19 16:49:04 :D Mar 19 16:49:06 If it crashes, you get another emptyish window from crash reporter Mar 19 16:49:17 - yes, i did that Mar 19 16:49:22 double :D :D Mar 19 16:49:40 heya wazd Mar 19 16:49:56 oh, each nested dialog is assigned its own cube face :) Mar 19 16:50:22 The cube fwiw is hypothetical, but it accurately describes the window limit Mar 19 16:50:47 * RST38h preficts a total snafu when this is released Mar 19 16:52:03 wazd: Still no chance to look at those ti83+ and ti82 images btw? I can probably put the selection menu together on my own but those two only you can do =) Mar 19 16:53:01 GeneralAntilles: is it broken again? Mar 19 16:53:15 Jaffa, seems so, though it doesn't pretend to be working this time. Mar 19 16:53:29 RST38h: Hey, I'll try to finish them tonight Mar 19 16:53:57 i suppose a cube face is better than the sdk demo... Mar 19 16:54:23 Except the sdk probably allowed 8 nested dialogs from a single broken app :) Mar 19 16:54:53 we didn't have task switching afaik :P Mar 19 16:55:56 hi all. i can Mar 19 16:56:01 oops Mar 19 16:56:21 i cant find any info about liblocation, is it closed library? Mar 19 17:00:04 ilovemistakes, http://maemo.org/api_refs/5.0/alpha/liblocation/ Mar 19 17:00:51 Stskeeps, uploaded gconf2 Mar 19 17:00:59 alright, ta, i'll take a look Mar 19 17:02:00 VDVsx: remember to reinstate the 1: Mar 19 17:02:25 where can I find some doc on changing the way my n800 mount various partitions on the different /media/mmcX ? Mar 19 17:02:35 Stskeeps, ah, ok Mar 19 17:03:01 VDVsx: otherwise looks good, tell me when the 1: is committed and i'll merge Mar 19 17:03:06 VDVsx: thanks. i see that it can be used only on maemo platform. so, i cant use it on my laptop, right? and i can't use it's source code in my app Mar 19 17:03:10 it insists on mounting mmcblk0p1 on /media/mcc2, how could I change that ? Mar 19 17:03:14 mmc2* Mar 19 17:03:18 VDVsx, docs aren't complete yet. Mar 19 17:05:36 ilovemistakes, I dunno if will be open sourced, but is under development now, as GeneralAntilles said the docs are incomplete Mar 19 17:06:02 lol Mar 19 17:06:11 VDVsx, I thought that was a comment on the state of the docs. . . . Mar 19 17:06:29 VDVsx: hmm. i can use liblocation on diablo 4.1.2 sdk. Mar 19 17:07:00 GeneralAntilles, :P Mar 19 17:07:06 Stskeeps, pushed Mar 19 17:07:09 VDVsx: ta Mar 19 17:07:50 ilovemistakes, only in fremantle alpha, I think Mar 19 17:09:24 Stskeeps, you have to explain me the meaning of the 1: and 2: in the package versions :P Mar 19 17:10:09 is to avoid conflits with the jaunty packages ? Mar 19 17:10:55 VDVsx: i've read out some examples from diablo sdk reference manual. [sbox-DIABLO_ARMEL: ~] > ls /usr/include/location/ Mar 19 17:10:55 location-bt-device-manager.h location-bt-helper.h location-distance-utils.h location-gps-device.h location-gpsd-control.h location-misc.h Mar 19 17:10:55 So, it's usable in stable version. quiestion is how can i use it ouside maemo. it seems noway. =( Mar 19 17:10:57 VDVsx: yeah, more like, convince the jaunty packages we're on a higher version.. Mar 19 17:11:21 VDVsx: (i need to make a list of packages we do -really- dirty tricks in) Mar 19 17:12:07 gconf is one of them :P Mar 19 17:13:29 Stskeeps, could you please point me @ bluetooth init code? Mar 19 17:14:06 slonopotamus: i'm not sure we have any. it's in linuxrc Mar 19 17:14:15 hmm Mar 19 17:14:17 and maybe in boot basics Mar 19 17:14:33 k Mar 19 17:15:31 VDVsx: ta, sent to builder, updating in table Mar 19 17:17:44 well, liblocation is a really nice wrapper for gps. but i want to make my maemo application work on x86 linux and i don't want to write liblocation's replacement. the only solution i see is to give up liblocation and use my own wrapper for gpsd, that work both under maemo and x86 linux. may be there is another solution? Mar 19 17:18:06 you have your own wrapper? Mar 19 17:18:11 no Mar 19 17:18:16 not yet =0 Mar 19 17:18:17 =) Mar 19 17:18:20 wazd: cool =) Mar 19 17:18:47 * RST38h will try to do the menu then, although his artistic abilities are close to nil Mar 19 17:19:02 programming is all about wrappers :) Mar 19 17:19:40 slono: rather "wrapper programming is all about wrappers" =) Mar 19 17:22:22 i hate that i cannot click someone's nickname to add it to message box in xchat :( Mar 19 17:22:41 RST38h, nope. just everything :) Mar 19 17:23:03 ilovemistakes, at the very least it'd be a good justification for opening it up. Mar 19 17:23:14 ilovemistakes, mind filing an enhancement request for on bugs.maemo.org? Mar 19 17:23:41 Stskeeps: sound does not really depend on DSP, at least for 770: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/maemo/developers/40692 Mar 19 17:23:50 ssvb: hmm, that's interesting Mar 19 17:24:02 Stskeeps: that's also one of my unfinished projects... Mar 19 17:24:03 GeneralAntilles: "plz open liblocation lib" is an enhancement? =) Mar 19 17:24:33 ilovemistakes, with proper grammer and spelling and a good justification, yes. Mar 19 17:25:44 ssvb: if nokia didn't have to argue with TI over it, it could be a good thing i guess Mar 19 17:25:54 Stskeeps: the problem is that new kernels use asoc framework and the audio drivers are rewritten, so here is a dilemma whether to fix old driver in 2.6.16 or start hacking asoc stuff Mar 19 17:26:05 Stskeeps: what about TI? Mar 19 17:26:41 ssvb: well (as far as i know) they're talking with TI to allow distribution of the DSP tasks, but if we can bypass that it wouldn't be bad Mar 19 17:27:27 GeneralAntilles: thanks, maybe some day. now it takes less time to write my own wrapper =) it's my graduation project Mar 19 17:27:53 ilovemistakes, the likelihood of success goes down the longer you wait. Mar 19 17:28:27 Stskeeps: maybe it is possible to implement switching ownership of audio hardware between asm and dsp at runtime, so that binary codecs are not completely lost Mar 19 17:28:47 Stskeeps, i found a funny thing - gtk already has hooks for virtual kb without any patches. at-spi. Mar 19 17:28:59 slonopotamus: yeah, but this is recent Mar 19 17:29:50 Stskeeps, how recent? it is supported in java and too, and it is pretty slow in catching up with new stuff Mar 19 17:30:39 Stskeeps: also C55x toolchain got recently updated, a good thing about it is that it has better license and the latest version of compiler Mar 19 17:31:04 slonopotamus: as in, HIM was written before this came in :P Mar 19 17:31:20 ssvb: sounds interesting, .. a bit out of my personal range, so someone should look at it Mar 19 17:31:20 ssvb: Link? Mar 19 17:32:53 derf: link is all the same, it should be in maemo wiki dspprogramming page Mar 19 17:35:22 Stskeeps, it means that i won't need any 'slono-gentoo-whatever-zation' to have vkb work in all apps, i think. Mar 19 17:35:27 slonopotamus: k Mar 19 17:35:55 derf: yep it's on the dsp programming page, I updated it the other day Mar 19 17:36:05 ssvb: n800 is CONFIG_SPI_TSC2301_AUDIO , n810 is CONFIG_SND_AIC33 Mar 19 17:36:12 shame the cpufreq stuff is broken for the omap2 in the latest kernels Mar 19 17:36:30 derf: just go to the mailing list archive thread that I have linked Mar 19 17:36:33 lardman: happen to know if DSP tasks are required to play sound? Mar 19 17:36:40 like, in general Mar 19 17:36:43 yes Mar 19 17:37:06 they are? well, bollocks, i guess Mar 19 17:37:06 http://www.hardocp.com/image.html?image=MTIzNzQ3Njc2N2ZQWU1ISXNZVkZfMV8xX2wuZ2lm Vacuum Tubes for sale. Glass Removed For Cleaning! Mar 19 17:37:07 unless you happen to have the Linux kernel side driver compiled in, but I'm not sure there's one handy for the n810 Mar 19 17:37:20 lardman: there's a AIC33 thing Mar 19 17:37:38 lardman: have you tried a new dsp toolchain already? Mar 19 17:37:46 ssvb: no, not yet Mar 19 17:38:03 ssvb: but I was talking to someone the other day who has (as the old one is now gone) Mar 19 17:38:42 Stskeeps: wasn't solca trying to get the audio driver working, I think it's ok on the n800 (or at least I seem to remember thinking that) Mar 19 17:39:10 hmm Mar 19 17:39:11 i'll prod him Mar 19 17:39:38 I started chatting to him, was looking to get the driver working on the n810, but ran out of time + the omap2 stuff is deprecated now apparently Mar 19 17:39:51 which is a bit crap Mar 19 17:40:54 it wuold be interesting to know if Nokia used the n810 at all for the Fremantle backend development, and therefore if they had an ARM-side kernel driver working Mar 19 17:42:25 home time, bbl Mar 19 17:49:36 Weeee, I've made my very first flash UI demo :D Mar 19 17:49:47 woo Mar 19 17:50:06 It's 3 seconds long but I totaly love it xD Mar 19 17:50:57 Uploading it to YouTube) Mar 19 17:51:10 hehe Mar 19 17:51:29 now, we just need to persuade nokia to drop clutter for flash... Mar 19 17:52:05 Well, flash is nice tech for demoing but not for real UI :) Mar 19 17:53:32 Adobe seems to think otherwise :) Mar 19 18:00:43 http://www.mediacynic.com/cgi-bin/mediacynic.pl?cynic=316091 Mar 19 18:00:45 Hehehe Mar 19 18:06:03 RST38h: well. Ihe doesn't look like Putin :\ Mar 19 18:12:18 anybody know where i can find recent debian devkit for scratchbox? Mar 19 18:12:38 wazd: that was my thought as well Mar 19 18:12:49 wazd: the whole thing is just too good to be true =) Mar 19 18:13:36 Hi. Mar 19 18:13:42 hi Mar 19 18:13:52 * hanno is going to ask the repeating question again, sorry. Mar 19 18:14:12 So I can as well ask if there is a place that keeps an FAQ on this. Mar 19 18:14:23 When will the next Maemo hardware ship? Mar 19 18:14:45 I keep checking itt, but there's no faq location. Mar 19 18:14:55 hanno: no clue. we're waiting too. Mar 19 18:15:01 * hanno really wants that device. Mar 19 18:15:31 which? Mar 19 18:15:49 the mystical n810 successor. Mar 19 18:16:35 i love my n810 its a portable mini linux boxie for me Mar 19 18:16:46 i wouldnt mind beable to watch videos on it without convrting though Mar 19 18:16:52 hmm I don't know, too, why nokia has such problems giving even a date for the shipping.. Mar 19 18:17:24 although i do have temp solution for video Mar 19 18:17:26 tversity Mar 19 18:21:28 Shadow__X: what do you convert to? like resolution wise? or compression? Mar 19 18:21:44 x29a, using what method Mar 19 18:22:31 your videos, for watching on the n810, what resolution/codec/etc. do you use? Mar 19 18:22:55 well if i am going to store them i use the nokie video converter that worked great Mar 19 18:23:03 takes care of everything Mar 19 18:23:20 other than that i have used super toconvert anything and it works great Mar 19 18:23:33 or just plain ffmpeg Mar 19 18:23:44 for streaming which i care more about tversity Mar 19 18:23:47 do accessing garage git repos work for people at the moment? Mar 19 18:24:03 which is a on the fly compression app for videos Mar 19 18:24:10 actually on the fly encoding Mar 19 18:28:22 hi all, i have gpsd running on my host linux machine on 127.0.0.1:2947, my app inside scratchbox fails to connect to it (gps_open: Unknown error 4294967291). is it normal? Mar 19 18:30:25 well, if i 'netcat -l -p 12345' on my host, should i be able to 'netcat 127.0.0.1 12345' from scratchbox? Mar 19 18:32:09 So, what uses less energy - listening to an mp3 or reading an eBook? :) Mar 19 18:32:34 at the volume i'm listening to them the first Mar 19 18:32:34 :P Mar 19 18:33:08 streaming an mp3 definitely uses most power :) Mar 19 18:34:27 unless you're constantly smoothscroling i'd suspect mp3 uses more... Mar 19 18:34:37 So far, I'm quite happy with the battery life .. it lasts a whole day with me fiddling throughout. Once I get over the new toy syndrome, it will probably last 3-4. ;) Mar 19 18:36:05 for constant webbrowsing it lasts me maybe 6 hours Mar 19 18:36:11 4-6 Mar 19 18:36:30 I'd say reading an ebook, but that depends on the screen technology Mar 19 18:36:33 I never constantly web browse.. my mind's far too chaotic for such things Mar 19 18:36:50 mp3 decode nowdays is very optomized, also depends on the audio/cpu hardware used Mar 19 18:38:37 the CPU gets locked to 333MHz playing mp3, it'd be able to drop down to 133/idle between flipping pages Mar 19 18:39:21 Yup, but the screen's then in use. Mar 19 18:39:27 though i imagine not many people read ebooks in .txt with less in xterm like I do Mar 19 18:40:02 I'll see what ftd's bme stats say when I get home :) Mar 19 18:40:52 * lcuk peeks in Mar 19 18:47:35 ShadowJK: I use fbreader almost exclusively. But mainly because of the screen rotation feature Mar 19 18:48:21 I think I now have an acceptable build environment.. it's just a pity that diablo's so far behind with glib & gtk.. Mar 19 18:48:46 I'll have to be careful when writing programs. Mar 19 18:50:00 I like evince.. but I wish it had edge-whitespace detection for auto zooming.. Mar 19 18:50:24 * fireun reads dead tree books Mar 19 18:51:06 tried fbreader, nice app n'all, just couldnt get into reading it on a tablet Mar 19 18:51:21 * fireun <- oldskool Mar 19 18:51:22 fireun, did you invert the colors? Mar 19 18:51:31 and set it up properly? Mar 19 18:51:33 GeneralAntilles: nosir Mar 19 18:52:08 White-on-Black, get rid of the padding, fix the font, and rotate it so you can use the +/- keys for paging. Mar 19 18:52:28 I do the last bit Mar 19 18:52:35 rotated and using the rocker Mar 19 18:52:41 which is nice Mar 19 18:53:00 Stskeeps: i started the "installing mer" article, but gotta leave now, hope thats ok Mar 19 18:53:08 maybe its the book browsing system, too klunky - I want a hulu like channel selection for reading material Mar 19 18:53:09 I really don't love dead tree books. Mar 19 18:53:18 Can't read in the dark, can't read one-handed. Mar 19 18:53:29 the second you sure can Mar 19 18:53:44 Only if you're willing to ruin paperbacks. Mar 19 18:53:52 "ruin" ? Mar 19 18:54:12 Bend the spine. Mar 19 18:54:22 no, when I've sold into used book slavery the books I've read, they're always amazed I've actually read them, still look new Mar 19 18:54:34 no creased spines Mar 19 18:54:46 I can't manage it, anyway. Mar 19 18:54:50 I actually take the time to pre-stress a book before I read it Mar 19 18:55:25 The other part of it is that working retail selling books started to make me hate them. ;) Mar 19 18:55:29 Especially paperbacks. Mar 19 18:56:43 I cant "buy" ebooks either Mar 19 18:56:56 I like having a bookcase full of colorful titles Mar 19 18:57:03 and ebooks are too easy to delete Mar 19 18:57:45 fireun: agree mightly on the klunky library browser. Calelibre on maemo might solve that. But fbreader suffers from too much portability. Mar 19 18:58:11 first one in, wins Mar 19 18:58:12 * lcuk is rewriting his selecter Mar 19 18:58:31 fbreader is the "viewer" Mar 19 19:00:19 fireun: One bookcase of pretty books is fine. A house full of bookcases is excessive. Mar 19 19:00:27 put up some designs for a selecter on the maemo wiki and submit patches to fbreader Mar 19 19:00:42 a house built of bookcases is wicked though Mar 19 19:01:21 fireun: also books like quicksilver, at over a thousand pages are unmanageable while traveling Mar 19 19:01:24 vivijim: - just wanted to say thanks for the cx3110x patches and much of the stuff in mamona, - it's very useful when we're doing Mer Mar 19 19:02:08 he lost me at crytonomicon Mar 19 19:02:16 lcuk: I agree with you Mar 19 19:02:22 Stskeeps: cool! good to know that it is helping someone :D Mar 19 19:02:46 lcuk: I'd love to have a big ol "library" with the spiral staircase to the second level and all Mar 19 19:03:02 lcuk: I visited a guy in NYC once who literally had every wall of his apartment covered in bookcases. Even three of the kitchen walls and one of the bathroom. Mar 19 19:03:03 vivijim: also helped to get cx3110x on a sane level on 770 as well, so :) Mar 19 19:03:33 this is the most innovative bookshelf ive ever seen Mar 19 19:03:34 http://weburbanist.com/2008/04/28/20-brilliant-bookcase-and-bookshelf-designs-creative-modular-and-unique-urban-furniture/ Mar 19 19:04:21 (the first one) Mar 19 19:08:43 lcuk: I like http://www.monstersandcritics.com/smallscreen/features/article_1359308.php/CBS_Moonlight_set_tour_in_photos Mar 19 19:08:47 (second pic) Mar 19 19:10:48 fireun, thats nice, but a bit more wasteful of space than traditional shelves Mar 19 19:10:50 * konttori_ has been adding proper support for icons in theme maker. Now 50 icons are in a template and they cover pretty much all icons that need to be supported. Mar 19 19:11:05 probably need a bit more still, but it's pretty close to be there now. Mar 19 19:11:20 I've been using kde oxygen as the basis for the icons. Mar 19 19:11:32 so that they are nicely licensable base template Mar 19 19:11:42 unlike nokia set would be :( Mar 19 19:11:50 konttori_: sounds nice :) Mar 19 19:11:59 meiz was looking at oxygen icons too for mer Mar 19 19:12:05 ah. nice. Mar 19 19:13:00 phew. tomorrow I'll take the device with me and make the layout template of the icons to extract correctly named icons. Mar 19 19:13:49 man. the look of the fremantle is soooo kick ass. I just saw a really nice improvement to it that happened this week that improved the visual so much. Mar 19 19:14:05 Of course cannot comment what it was, but teasing is always nice. Mar 19 19:14:14 hehe, yeah Mar 19 19:14:48 we amateurs (maybe not wazd) are playing a bit too, http://i041.radikal.ru/0903/5f/5cf0986d63e7.jpg , mockup, but code is there, so we're slowly integrating it Mar 19 19:15:07 Stskeeps: looks really nice indeed! Mar 19 19:15:19 I mean, you guys are making tremendously cool visuals Mar 19 19:15:36 I like the menu icon a lot Mar 19 19:16:43 yeah - i'm wondering when someone headhunts wazd and steals him forever :P Mar 19 19:17:27 someone should do it! Mar 19 19:21:33 kontorri: do you mean the red outline w/ solid black empty dialogs :) Mar 19 19:22:41 timelE61i: lol! well, a different thing, but that's also fun Mar 19 19:23:55 kOntorri: btw, helpwanted fixing the ui engineers Mar 19 19:24:03 They're being stupid (again) Mar 19 19:24:32 did you tell em to stop it, or they wouldnt get desert? Mar 19 19:24:39 dc++ for maemo Mar 19 19:24:40 ? Mar 19 19:24:44 yes no maybe so> Mar 19 19:25:35 I've tried to say it'll hurt the ability to sell the product Mar 19 19:25:51 as long as there's a hello kitty theme.. Mar 19 19:25:52 But they insist they're experts and know what they're doing Mar 19 19:26:14 Have you used the valentine theme' Mar 19 19:27:50 in my experience, anyone who asserts that they're an expert and know what they're doing, usually isnt so much of an expert. Experts can convince you through rational explanation. Mar 19 19:27:50 * qwerty12 has, fkn nasty Mar 19 19:29:26 Oxygen-based icon theme on Mer: http://trac.tspre.org/meiz/screenshots/oxygen/ Mar 19 19:29:53 i like it :) Mar 19 19:31:07 is there a way to get linux dc++ on maemo? Mar 19 19:31:52 re Mar 19 19:32:12 Meiz_n810: meh Mar 19 19:32:53 Shadow__X, yeah, you can get the latest dc++ on your tablet, just grab the source from my hub ... Mar 19 19:33:09 cu Mar 19 19:33:10 ah ok whats your info Mar 19 19:33:24 Ah, so you run lcuk's porn hub! Mar 19 19:33:27 * lcuk was joking Mar 19 19:33:34 :( Mar 19 19:33:51 so it doesnt work Mar 19 19:33:52 ? Mar 19 19:34:01 qwerty, ive already told you, you need to be sharing at least 120gb of high quality action with a decent ratio Mar 19 19:34:18 lol Mar 19 19:34:23 you failed by trying to share your windows folder Mar 19 19:34:27 fIreun: that about covers it Mar 19 19:36:45 timelE61i: we're past the days when programmers could do their own UI graphic elements Mar 19 19:38:22 really Mar 19 19:38:23 ? Mar 19 19:39:06 lcuk, do you have dc running on the tablet Mar 19 19:39:49 no Shadow__X, i havent fired up dc for years now (I was a classic user, never moved to ++) Mar 19 19:39:58 timelE61i: I haven't seen valentine theme Mar 19 19:40:10 ah just my campus uses it i prefer irc Mar 19 19:40:19 konttori, hildon-theme-ilona in some repo Mar 19 19:40:22 * lcuk thinks it wouldv looked like slashdot omg! ponies!! Mar 19 19:40:39 think of echo but in red and nastier Mar 19 19:41:56 timelE61i: IMHO Mar 19 19:42:20 they generally dont make the best themes, something about artistic != logical Mar 19 19:42:56 fireun, its a lot easier now to produce an eyecatching usable algorithmic ui Mar 19 19:43:28 cant argue with that Mar 19 19:44:40 * ShadowJK thinks there are too many hard to use UIs around Mar 19 19:44:50 or rather, hard to learn UIs Mar 19 19:45:52 Meiz_n810: those look really nice. Mar 19 19:46:00 and yeah, oxygen is a great icon theme Mar 19 19:46:30 Shadow__X, how many are there? Mar 19 19:46:41 5 Mar 19 19:46:45 ? Mar 19 19:46:47 Meiz_n810: the settings icon doesn't look right Mar 19 19:46:53 which Mar 19 19:47:04 but it looks quite nice as the default install application icon. Mar 19 19:47:04 i am pretty your your asking ShadowJK Mar 19 19:47:14 lol Mar 19 19:47:17 yeah i am Mar 19 19:47:28 generally? loads Mar 19 19:47:57 konttori: es, the control-panel is strange in my tablet right now Mar 19 19:48:05 so how would you make an "easy" one? Mar 19 19:48:27 konttori_: it doesn't even have a correct name Mar 19 19:48:31 (and im sure every single one started asking that question) Mar 19 19:49:12 on desktop it gets worse when everything wants to look and behave differently, often in the name of user friendliness. the only usewr friendly thing is to behave like the rest of things do, then the user only has to learn one set of already complicated rules Mar 19 19:49:44 lcuk: i dont know the solution :) Mar 19 19:49:56 mEinz: eh? Mar 19 19:50:03 changing for the sake of it is one thing, but what of the complete change liqbase made - i personally think the complete ui changeover was worth it Mar 19 19:52:52 just from my experience trying to help/teach completely new computer users, after they've grasped how radio button slectors, drop down etc work, along comes some software that themes itself, printer software, media players, and the users no longer recognize or understand any of it Mar 19 19:53:08 * fireun nods in agreement Mar 19 19:53:24 yet there should be some allowance for change Mar 19 19:53:42 totally understood ShadowJK and in windows i use the mouse oriented toolkit supplied Mar 19 19:54:11 even though the same ui elements are basically there, it looks like a mass of pixels to them Mar 19 19:54:52 or it looks like the desktop background changed and they think they git a virus and then try change desktop background back Mar 19 19:55:20 is there any notifying library for maemo? Mar 19 19:55:45 and how can i put something to clipboard (like with xsel)? Mar 19 19:57:21 dunno vasily_pupkin, its x11 and gtk and normal libraries and stuff, how do you do it in regular linux Mar 19 19:57:55 emm Mar 19 19:57:58 I use xsel (= Mar 19 19:58:14 but seems like maemo ignore X selection buffer Mar 19 20:00:39 liqbase is the only workable tablet/touch ui i've ever used Mar 19 20:01:23 Touch voting and banking systems are also designed along similar lines Mar 19 20:01:33 Big buttons w/ a grid Mar 19 20:02:42 The reason for padding between buttons there is to avoid accidental misclicks Mar 19 20:03:09 visible from orbit :) Mar 19 20:03:15 * lcuk loves that phrase Mar 19 20:08:09 I am all for location based buttons and finger memory training Mar 19 20:09:02 I CAN remember sequences like left-top-right and that is how old Nokia's worked and how Teletext works Mar 19 20:09:03 keesj, have you seen me jump around liqbase Mar 19 20:09:38 or have you played yourself Mar 19 20:09:48 no not recently Mar 19 20:10:33 i find it very relaxing jumping and know the locations of each menu - its like playing an instrument Mar 19 20:10:37 waching the video on your site Mar 19 20:11:11 Impressive Mar 19 20:12:13 :) its just a start. once i get everything i want into it properly then it will be even better :) Mar 19 20:13:12 muscle memory is good Mar 19 20:13:23 Unless... You're taking a muscle relaxant Mar 19 20:13:36 lol, thats where the big buttons help :P Mar 19 20:13:41 * timelE61i failed to properly operate heavy machinery: Mar 19 20:13:55 fork/knife/spoon/naan Mar 19 20:14:40 Only useable finger UIs I've used have been in industrial equipment :) Mar 19 20:15:33 yeah, chainsaws are fingerfriendly Mar 19 20:15:36 "are tablets usable while high" Mar 19 20:15:41 hell yeah Mar 19 20:15:43 :p Mar 19 20:15:54 i used one on a plane Mar 19 20:15:58 industrial equipment with touchscreens I meant :P Mar 19 20:17:35 My real problem is that I am only really intersted in programming and there is no finger ui for programming Mar 19 20:17:54 keesj, what do you mean fingers for programming Mar 19 20:17:57 perhaps I need some lego mindstorm clone language Mar 19 20:18:03 oh now I know why I've never tried use finger on the tablet... Mar 19 20:18:09 * lcuk would love to develop using real lego Mar 19 20:18:17 have you used touch based atms Mar 19 20:18:34 lcuk: I am talking about muscle memory Mar 19 20:19:02 * lcuk hopes to build up an interactive ide at some point Mar 19 20:19:14 wazd: you should try and prod that lord raiden guy and see if he can be lured into helping out :P Mar 19 20:19:19 its the primary reason why i started on the framework Mar 19 20:19:22 I fired up sketch and applied pressure with finger until the colours became distorted, then I used a little less pressure than that, so that the colors didn't distort, and drew lines across the screen, trying to paint the entire screen. I was left with a big circle in the middle where the touchscreen didn't register at all... Mar 19 20:20:04 ShadowJK, my screen is similar, though mines through abuse. my other tablets are finger sensitive just find Mar 19 20:21:19 I only remember the finger input method activating on first day I had it, after that the stylus keyboard has come up even with finger tap.. Mar 19 20:21:23 Indem here , not optimal funcioning touch screen Mar 19 20:22:01 the stylus keyboard is mostly in the more sensitive part though, so it's usable with finger too, for some values of usable :) Mar 19 20:25:51 technically, i find x11 mouse input cuts and splurts MUCH more than the xsp library, i think the cutoff point is a bit low for the x11 stuff Mar 19 20:26:07 in liqbase with the sketching it uses xsp and is pressure sensitive and is better Mar 19 20:26:16 but if i compile it up to use just x11 its spluttery Mar 19 20:26:21 hm Mar 19 20:26:44 I did and other experiment today using a beamer as screen for the beagle http://box.mmapps.net/p3193544.jpg Mar 19 20:26:53 not really usable Mar 19 20:27:13 the backlight dimmed and I touched the insensitive area and the backlight lit up, but nothing appeared in sketch Mar 19 20:27:27 the picture is moved but still, a PC screen is better Mar 19 20:27:27 I just assumed it ignored it because it was make-light-bright tap :) Mar 19 20:28:20 hm, is there any program that would display pressure numerically or with a meter or whatever? Mar 19 20:28:40 ShadowJK, not immediately Mar 19 20:28:58 but its fairly simple to implement in liqbase Mar 19 20:29:00 evtest perhaps Mar 19 20:29:19 * lcuk is now miffed i removed it from the multitouch sim Mar 19 20:29:23 keesj: you should do a Mer on projector pic ;P Mar 19 20:30:48 heh, apt-cache rdepends libxsp0 output is a bit "eh?" Mar 19 20:30:55 Stskeeps: this is gpe (the default angstrom wm when I run x11-image), but clearly big button and such are also good for "low-res" displays Mar 19 20:31:38 keesj: hehe Mar 19 20:34:46 mUltitouch sim? Mar 19 20:36:15 lcuk, is there a finger-sized brush in the drawing thing in liqbase? :P Mar 19 20:36:53 ShadowJK, no, unless your fingers are really really thin Mar 19 20:37:09 it does do pressure sensitive and fades if you are gentle Mar 19 20:37:44 Yeah I noticed Mar 19 20:37:58 I drew a grid, it fades into a black hole in the middle Mar 19 20:39:57 I apt-get install liqbase and got multitouch sim Mar 19 20:40:23 yeah it wont work too well with your fingers then if your screen is bad Mar 19 20:40:27 try with a pair of stylii Mar 19 20:40:46 it seems fairly accurate in the noncrap parts of the screen Mar 19 20:41:00 it is :) Mar 19 20:41:11 for varying levels of pressure gradient Mar 19 20:42:05 * ShadowJK confuses it with rapid movement of a single stylus Mar 19 20:43:56 of course you will Mar 19 20:44:11 im gonna add a piece of code "OI ShadowJK stop f*ckin around!" Mar 19 20:44:57 can you make the drawing feature slide the controls out of the way when you press fullscreen button Mar 19 20:45:36 sHadowjk: away or jump to other side of screen? :) Mar 19 20:45:40 heh, at the moment you are taking screenshots with the fullscreen button Mar 19 20:46:07 the MENU button is gonna do something soon and you will be able to setup the ui how you want Mar 19 20:46:18 Can you make it drop down a menu? Mar 19 20:46:18 fullscreen will actually be used for its intended purpose ;) Mar 19 20:46:32 Heh Mar 19 20:46:47 now i beat xv and x11 into submission about how to do it Mar 19 20:47:09 does anyone actually mess with the screen resolution stuff Mar 19 20:47:30 cos i need to remove it - its hurting my head. Mar 19 20:47:47 you mean in liqbase? Mar 19 20:47:49 what does it do.. Mar 19 20:47:52 yes Mar 19 20:48:12 Let you run faster w/ fewer logical pixels Mar 19 20:48:15 it still runs and renders at any sized window and scales correctly, but i decided to remove the options because making an xv display different to x11 was causing compilcations Mar 19 20:48:23 xv does that anyway Mar 19 20:48:59 thats what i have currently decided to put on a back burner - its mainly concerning being able to use 480*800 screens Mar 19 20:49:17 Can anybody think of any other "plain text" pages on maemo.org I need to look at besides repository.maemo.org, maemo.org/vote and maemo.org/maemo/meeting? Mar 19 20:50:46 http://enivax.net/jk/ts-blackhole.png Mar 19 20:52:04 I'd want the toolbox oout of the way so I could see how far the blackhole extends :) Mar 19 20:52:22 thats acutally quite scary! Mar 19 20:52:27 mine is more to the left Mar 19 20:52:30 cos im a lefty Mar 19 20:53:38 hm, how does that affect things? Mar 19 20:53:51 i put most pressure in that centre left of the screen Mar 19 20:53:57 its where i instinctively stroke it Mar 19 20:54:06 and its also where tracy lent on it Mar 19 20:54:50 Oh I get it, it's roughly centered around where stylus would be used for scrolling in the browser Mar 19 20:55:13 Stskeeps: mpf, upgrading vim in mer is a pain because of the removed manpages :/ Mar 19 20:55:20 Stskeeps: is there a way to clean that? Mar 19 20:56:02 Mine's 9 months old Mar 19 21:02:23 Corsac: we don't use docpurge atm Mar 19 21:03:21 so what version are you on? :P Mar 19 21:05:01 ShadowJK: so did you succumb to trying out Mer yet or are you scarred for life after trying Unreal? :P Mar 19 21:07:33 Stskeeps: well, mer Mar 19 21:07:41 I installed using the 0.7 or 0.8 installer Mar 19 21:07:47 ah, they had docpurge Mar 19 21:07:49 and then upgraded/dist-upgraded Mar 19 21:07:56 there's a bug standing about it Mar 19 21:08:06 if you can find a way to make dpkg-divert work better.. Mar 19 21:08:06 :P Mar 19 21:09:05 Stskeeps, I think i need to find a free weekend for it :) Mar 19 21:09:22 Make docpurge replace the files with 0b ones instead of removing them. Mar 19 21:10:21 qwerty12_N800: possible Mar 19 21:10:40 qwerty12_N800: anything you can hack up? :> Mar 19 21:10:52 (brilliant idea.) Mar 19 21:11:25 Possibly, my knowledge of apt hooks & scripting sucks ;p Mar 19 21:11:29 hehe Mar 19 21:11:31 *:p Mar 19 21:11:57 i could probably do that Mar 19 21:12:15 if someone pointed me to docpurge on sunday Mar 19 21:12:23 k, will try to remember Mar 19 21:12:33 where's jeremiah? Mar 19 21:12:37 it's not the best solution with the 0 as we'll keep the filenames, but .. the benefit is probably large Mar 19 21:12:38 He owes me a hook Mar 19 21:13:22 actually Mar 19 21:13:27 What's the issue? Mar 19 21:13:32 Hi Mar 19 21:13:48 Because dpkg -L should tell you which files are "managed" Mar 19 21:14:02 timelE61i: issue is that dpkg-divert acts really weird if the file-to-be-diverted is missing Mar 19 21:14:04 how can I submit a bug at bugs.maemo.org with the patch that corrects it? Mar 19 21:14:11 wguerra: there's an attachment feature Mar 19 21:14:14 Which means you could make a "doc-resurrect" Mar 19 21:14:32 Stskeeps: I could not find it Mar 19 21:14:33 Which looks through dpkg -L Mar 19 21:14:36 :/ Mar 19 21:14:46 And touches the files that are missing Mar 19 21:14:46 wguerra: associate it in a comment maybe Mar 19 21:14:58 Err Mar 19 21:15:07 Wguerra Mar 19 21:15:09 timelE61i: and for some strange reason people divert man pages :P Mar 19 21:15:14 File bug first Mar 19 21:15:25 Then attach the patch Mar 19 21:15:33 the bug is at the "Desktop platform" component, does it make any difference? Mar 19 21:15:37 Bugzilla supports patches Mar 19 21:15:43 wguerra: out of curiousity, what kind of patch is it? Mar 19 21:15:57 Stskeeps: to fix the x11vnc problem at diablo Mar 19 21:15:58 Just create an attachment and mark x patch Mar 19 21:16:22 there is no such field here Mar 19 21:17:00 repository.maemo.org, should Extras go on top? Mar 19 21:17:10 wguerra: if you really can't find it, post a link to a pastebinned version & set patch keyword. then give the link :) Mar 19 21:18:20 hmm, a gnome ate my theme Mar 19 21:18:24 wguerra: bug number? Mar 19 21:18:40 And are you the reporter? Mar 19 21:18:53 * sp3001 wonders if he should let mailWidgets.xml keep running a slow script Mar 19 21:19:08 Heh Mar 19 21:19:09 I'm the reporter Mar 19 21:19:14 :) Mar 19 21:19:28 Ok.. So bug #? Mar 19 21:19:43 it is a known bug, there are plenty of discussion about it Mar 19 21:20:07 What the F*CK Mar 19 21:20:13 Did you file a bug or not Mar 19 21:20:29 Either you have a 4*CKING bug number or not Mar 19 21:20:45 I was waiting to try to file the bug with the patch Mar 19 21:20:53 Ok Mar 19 21:21:02 Sit down and listen carefully Mar 19 21:21:09 First you file the bug Mar 19 21:21:17 Then you visit the bug again Mar 19 21:21:24 Then you attach the patch Mar 19 21:21:27 shit! Mar 19 21:21:29 Is that clear? Mar 19 21:21:38 sorry about it Mar 19 21:21:52 Wonderful, unintuitive Bugzilla. Oh how we love you. Mar 19 21:21:54 Bugzilla will helpfully take you to the bug directly after you file it Mar 19 21:22:01 it worked Mar 19 21:22:14 Gan: newer bugzillas let you attach at filing time Mar 19 21:22:26 That your bugzilla hasn't upgraded... Mar 19 21:22:41 timelE61i, maybe we should throwing things at andre__, then. Mar 19 21:23:27 timelE61i: thank you, I should have tried that! Mar 19 21:23:39 sorry for cursing Mar 19 21:24:06 In the future, please consider listening to what people say instead of assuming Mar 19 21:24:23 Gan: be my guest Mar 19 21:24:25 Watching scratchbox install is about as fun as watching paint dry, and twice as slow. Mar 19 21:24:37 Lol Mar 19 21:25:04 I think I'm averaging about 20KB/sec installing things in Ubuntu so far. Mar 19 21:25:06 Hopefully monday i get to install debian or ubuntu or mer in xvm Mar 19 21:25:09 yeah, the session manager decided to fall on its face at boot so things were being weird Mar 19 21:25:35 GeneralAntilles: did you get the wifi working? Mar 19 21:26:32 Stskeeps, I decided I couldn't deal with anymore broken themes or missing strings for the rest of today. ;) Mar 19 21:26:36 hehe Mar 19 21:26:51 GeneralAntilles: that drove me sortof insane on my mertop too :P Mar 19 21:27:02 hm, mertop. i wonder how much battery that thing actually takes.. Mar 19 21:27:07 er, power Mar 19 21:27:46 fwiw Mar 19 21:27:53 The new strings will suck Mar 19 21:28:03 I've started using some apps Mar 19 21:28:12 And they're stupid, as usuall Mar 19 21:28:30 Today i was given yet another way to try to improve the ui Mar 19 21:28:43 So i've filed one issue to test the icy waters Mar 19 21:28:45 Election ends at 23:59 UTC, correct? Mar 19 21:28:53 timelE61i, so I guess you get to spend another 2 weeks improving them, then. ;) Mar 19 21:28:54 I expect it to go nowhere Mar 19 21:28:58 Jaffa, so it would seem. Mar 19 21:29:07 Gan: not now Mar 19 21:29:12 oh, yeah, should probably do the vote thing today Mar 19 21:29:13 when will results go out? Mar 19 21:29:14 * Jaffa ponders how quickly dneary's going to turn around the results, and whether he should sleep instead. Would make sense. Mar 19 21:29:21 sp3000: last chance! Mar 19 21:29:32 Tomorrow i have a couple hundred pages of bondi spec to reread and criticise Mar 19 21:29:43 I still have three hours to procrastrinate (sp?) Mar 19 21:29:53 Jaffa, I guess the results aren't automated for this one? Mar 19 21:30:00 And maybe try to fix an arch doc to satisfy some annoying arch who can't write to save his life Mar 19 21:30:08 The software stuck them on the website once the voting was closed last time. Mar 19 21:30:09 Sadly, no one's out to kill him Mar 19 21:30:14 * sp3000 eyes one of the rs suspiciously Mar 19 21:30:30 sp3000, do it now so a time warp doesn't get you. Mar 19 21:30:31 * sp3000 shoots one of the rs Mar 19 21:30:52 next time warp is sunday next week I think Mar 19 21:30:55 gan: yeah, it isn't automated Mar 19 21:31:00 oh, wait, two hours Mar 19 21:31:03 That was documented in advance Mar 19 21:31:09 three after the time warp, good point ;) Mar 19 21:31:38 hm, mp3 playing vs displaying stuff is a close call :) Mar 19 21:32:21 Gan: please poke jeremiah Mar 19 21:32:34 I really want to get diablo users using my strings Mar 19 21:32:58 playing mp3 from memory card at volume 10 with screen off seems to use about as much power as displaying the home screen at brightness set to ~50 Mar 19 21:33:13 sp3000, I was referring to roving reletavistic anomalies, but DST works too. ;) Mar 19 21:33:30 timelE61i, last I saw him he was spamming itT a couple days ago. Mar 19 21:33:49 GeneralAntilles: nah, I won't run into timeless until tomorrow Mar 19 21:34:22 sts: do you use xvm? Mar 19 21:34:37 timelE61i: i use virtualbox :P Mar 19 21:34:40 timelE61i, you're prodding will be just as effective as mine, by the way. Mar 19 21:34:45 Just fire an email off at him. Mar 19 21:34:47 * timelE61i wants someone on monday to hand hold setting up some vms Mar 19 21:35:06 sts: are they not the same thing? Mar 19 21:35:07 i'll be stressed out as hell monday, first thesis meeting with my advisor Mar 19 21:35:13 otoh I think I was accused of using coffee to acuse time dialtation in school once upon a time Mar 19 21:35:21 s/acuse/cause/ even Mar 19 21:35:28 timelE61i: i am honestly not sure Mar 19 21:35:37 I like how this page tells you to download scripts, but doesn't include links to those scripts. http://maemo.org/development/sdks/maemo5_alpha_installation/ Mar 19 21:35:38 * timelE61i shoots at a t from sp3000's dial- Mar 19 21:35:43 s/the other typo/the other correction/ too Mar 19 21:36:18 * GeneralAntilles would've used induce. :P Mar 19 21:36:53 GeneralAntilles: no, that annoyed me too Mar 19 21:40:25 how do i edit accounts in modest Mar 19 21:43:49 i open up modest edit account but i cant edit the incoming server Mar 19 21:51:27 Jaffa, only problem with the maemo.org header for Talk is that the necessary hooks will need to be put in place. Mar 19 21:51:54 Jaffa, there's no plan to automatically connect user accounts for the time being, and Talk accounts are not equivalent to maemo.org accounts. Mar 19 21:52:32 anyone use Modest Mar 19 21:55:55 b-man: can you see if this bug still exists? https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4224 , he skipped partitioning part in simple Mar 19 22:02:19 GeneralAntilles: Yes, I know. Mar 19 22:02:52 GeneralAntilles: There's hooks one way. The style can be used no matter what; reversing the link for already linked accounts should be trivial. Mar 19 22:02:59 Stskeeps: shure Mar 19 22:03:34 b-man: are you still using xserver-xorg-video-omapfb btw? Mar 19 22:03:55 yes Mar 19 22:04:00 http://lifehacker.com/5173793/a-first-look-at-google-voice Mar 19 22:04:13 do yourself a favour and try to apt-get install xserver-xomap Mar 19 22:04:17 should drop right in Mar 19 22:05:57 Stskeeps: wouldn't that conflict with xserver-xorg though? Mar 19 22:06:22 (when running) Mar 19 22:06:22 b-man: yeah, it removes it but both work Mar 19 22:06:34 it's just one of them has to be /usr/bin/X, so Mar 19 22:06:42 it removes xserver-xorg (one package) Mar 19 22:06:51 performance wise it's worth it Mar 19 22:07:01 k Mar 19 22:07:45 * b-man googles "ubuntu jaunty for the nokia tablets" and finds 8+ websites talking about his port XD Mar 19 22:09:51 Stskeeps: btw, the base system is now installable with a simple apt-get install sys-env-x :) - no more manually configuing the base system :D Mar 19 22:17:41 * b-man finds his ubuntu screnshots scattered across the web Mar 19 22:18:24 * lcuk gets bonus points for finding all and deleting Mar 19 22:19:34 How big is the default alpha SDK install? Mar 19 22:19:42 ( ) Mar 19 22:19:58 |---------------------------------------| Mar 19 22:20:15 8-----------------------------------> Mar 19 22:20:27 GeneralAntilles: 42. Mar 19 22:20:36 ................^...............\o/........ Mar 19 22:20:43 You're all useless. Mar 19 22:20:45 qwerty12_N800, trust you to lower the tone Mar 19 22:20:57 :P Mar 19 22:21:05 GeneralAntilles, it comes down in a script Mar 19 22:21:08 i dont think anyone knows Mar 19 22:21:26 lcuk, what, qwerty12_N800's man has nice glasses. But a very long nose. . . . Mar 19 22:21:57 *screenshots Mar 19 22:22:16 lol b-man your correction came far too late Mar 19 22:22:22 theres like a 10second rule Mar 19 22:25:38 lol Mar 19 22:25:38 lcuk: it's not working XD Mar 19 22:28:47 * b-man notices that everyone is refering to him as "some guy" on alot of websites that talk about his port :P Mar 19 22:30:27 * b-man needs to start mentioning his real name on his projects Mar 19 22:33:14 * b-man also notices that the ubuntu jaunty team is well aware of what he's doing now... lol Mar 19 22:34:01 now, why is it that we are checking for /var/run being a symlink? Mar 19 22:34:02 :P Mar 19 22:34:40 Stskeeps: ? Mar 19 22:35:15 why do we check if /var/run is a symlink :) Mar 19 22:35:35 good question Mar 19 22:39:17 VDVsx, hi, I saw your nickname as a possibile mentor of a project in gsoc maemo website, can I talk to you? Mar 19 22:39:24 hello all, si there an easy way to move installed apps to the internal card? Mar 19 22:39:36 and install in the card from now on? Mar 19 22:40:05 ~boot-sd Mar 19 22:40:06 extra, extra, read all about it, boot-sd is https://wiki.maemo.org/Booting_from_a_flash_card Mar 19 22:41:18 Any clues for the idiot? http://slexy.org/view/s23Sv6XXCu Mar 19 22:42:02 GeneralAntilles, thanks, is a guide like that one to have debian/ubuntu & maemo from the get go? Mar 19 22:42:10 GAN800: i think there's a bug on this Mar 19 22:42:24 or atleast related to GL Mar 19 22:42:32 * b-man starts composing a proper guide for installing ubuntu-n8x0 2.2 Mar 19 22:42:57 Stskeeps, my problem is that I don't pay attention to things if I don't think they matter to me, then, eventually, they do matter to me and I don't know anything. :P Mar 19 22:43:11 GeneralAntilles: ah, kinda like highschool Mar 19 22:43:16 lol Mar 19 22:43:26 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4197 Mar 19 22:43:30 Similar error, but not the same. Mar 19 22:44:24 b-man, how about an android one :) Mar 19 22:45:00 solca has covered that allrety ;) Mar 19 22:45:13 nice Mar 19 22:45:18 GeneralAntilles: tried a fakeroot apt-get -f install? Mar 19 22:45:54 qwerty12_N800, 'scratchbox fakeroot apt-get -f install' ? Mar 19 22:45:58 don't know really where to start, I'm a total maemo n00b :( Mar 19 22:46:05 Throws the same error, anyway. Mar 19 22:46:17 :/ Mar 19 22:47:13 what should i use to backup so if i break my n810 again i can restore it Mar 19 22:47:14 ~boot-android Mar 19 22:47:25 ahh, voted for the new council of overlords, to serve man with relish Mar 19 22:47:41 sp3000, sorry, it's likely to be ketchup. Mar 19 22:48:12 ymalheiros, pm ? Mar 19 22:49:16 mmm, relish Mar 19 22:49:27 is there a newbie channel? :) Mar 19 22:53:33 we're not busy enough to split so this would be it Mar 19 22:53:46 hrm Mar 19 22:53:50 was there a diablo update? Mar 19 22:54:33 hello Mar 19 22:54:47 Stskeeps: you around? just wondering how far along mer has gotten :) Mar 19 22:54:51 get 0.10 going yet? Mar 19 22:55:01 internal release only Mar 19 22:55:10 Macer: killed the 0.10 release (wasn't ready on release day) but we're doing quite well Mar 19 22:55:29 wow really? Mar 19 22:55:30 sp3000, OK so I want this on my n800, maemo, ubuntu/debian, android, maemo3 if it gets ported at some point, where should I start? Mar 19 22:55:34 what was wrong with it? Mar 19 22:55:38 * sp3000 didn't see an update Mar 19 22:55:38 maemo3? :P Mar 19 22:55:45 Macer: didn't boot, heh Mar 19 22:55:53 alex_mayorga: not me, I'm technically asleep :) Mar 19 22:55:53 lol. guess that might do it ;) Mar 19 22:56:34 Stskeeps, whatever name they got for the omap3 version Mar 19 22:56:41 I forget Mar 19 22:56:49 anyone? Mar 19 22:56:59 alex_mayorga: i'd start out with a vodka bottle, personally Mar 19 22:57:17 Pavlov, no, and there's not likely to be one, it seems. Mar 19 22:57:18 some of these sadly don't intermix Mar 19 22:57:23 Got a liter of absolut pear ;) Mar 19 22:57:35 GeneralAntilles: hrm, weird, my n810 just wanted to update a bunch of stuff Mar 19 22:57:43 Pavlov, apt? Mar 19 22:57:47 app manager Mar 19 22:57:55 maybe i hadn't updated some of the last stuff? Mar 19 22:57:56 Oh, people have been spamming the builder like crazy. Mar 19 22:58:00 community stuff Mar 19 22:58:19 its updating map Mar 19 22:58:19 Diablo updates are a singel package in h-a-m Mar 19 22:58:26 If you're seeing a lot of stuff, then it's 3rd-party. Mar 19 22:58:30 libicd?-network-eap? Mar 19 22:58:46 bluetooth stuff, *shrug* Mar 19 22:58:53 Unless you've got red pill on Mar 19 22:58:59 i'm sure i do Mar 19 22:59:02 Ah Mar 19 22:59:04 Well Mar 19 22:59:06 Shame on you. Mar 19 22:59:10 heh Mar 19 22:59:20 Stskeeps: so any word on when .10 will be ready for public consumption? Mar 19 22:59:43 i have too many n810s floating around here, can't keep track of how they're all configured Mar 19 22:59:56 how to check what pill I shallowed? Mar 19 22:59:57 Macer: it'll be 0.11 instead, at 6th april Mar 19 23:00:07 ah ok Mar 19 23:00:11 2 weeks development, 1 week testing Mar 19 23:00:11 tnx Mar 19 23:01:10 Pavlov: I put stickers on mine Mar 19 23:01:34 fireun: heh, i just did that on a few of them Mar 19 23:01:44 GeneralAntilles: so any idea what it was updating? Mar 19 23:02:25 Pavlov: I guess I could have just changed the background image, but.. that seemed like more work Mar 19 23:03:03 Macer: however Meiz has been playing, http://trac.tspre.org/meiz/screenshots/oxygen/screenshot03.png Mar 19 23:03:28 Pavlov, without more details, no. Mar 19 23:41:46 Bed time. Mar 19 23:41:49 night, al Mar 19 23:41:51 +l Mar 19 23:41:55 "New Octa-Core Intel with quad-SLI Nvidia 18650gt, only 6000watts!" Mar 19 23:41:57 nite Mar 19 23:43:08 with fraking >lasers< Mar 19 23:45:44 ~ping Mar 19 23:45:45 ~pong Mar 19 23:48:13 hihihi any working jaunty desktop yet? Mar 19 23:49:09 Survivors?) Mar 19 23:49:17 * b-man checks Mar 19 23:49:29 Check it out: http://lotro.ucoz.ru/omw.html Mar 19 23:49:43 I'm so proud of it xD Mar 19 23:50:55 that for maemo? Mar 19 23:51:00 wazd: ! Mar 19 23:51:23 why does it say Foreca though? Mar 19 23:51:37 RST38h: test logo) Mar 19 23:51:45 RST38h: it will say more) Mar 19 23:51:58 And where are the bears? =) Mar 19 23:52:36 RST38h: we'll release'em in 3.0 firmware. Security issues :) Mar 19 23:52:43 Hehe Mar 19 23:52:53 Flea removal? =) Mar 19 23:53:08 yep) Mar 19 23:53:17 * RST38h ended up ordering R500 from CompUSA Mar 19 23:53:28 $900 Mar 19 23:54:02 It was either style (Dell Adamo) or function (R500) and function won. Mar 19 23:54:04 mmm, nice) Mar 19 23:54:17 for linux? Mar 19 23:54:21 wazd: hehe, that's neat :) Mar 19 23:54:25 http://www.compusa.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=4183460&CatId=2289 Mar 19 23:54:48 i thot compusa went oob Mar 19 23:54:48 Mousey: will have a bit of Linux on the side Mar 19 23:55:02 I'm trying to build some more complex things Mar 19 23:55:05 Mousey: Their break and mortar stores did but not the mailorder Mar 19 23:55:12 like dropdown menus or something) Mar 19 23:55:22 wazd: Maybe model the whole desktop there... Mar 19 23:55:34 * Mousey is in the market for a new (exclusively) linux notebook Mar 19 23:55:43 RST38h: ah Mar 19 23:55:55 the idea of fading the background with a vignette effect and drawing on top is mighty cool Mar 19 23:56:08 RST: R500-S5008X? Mar 19 23:56:15 RST38h: i wonder how fast that effect can be done.. Mar 19 23:56:20 Mousey: for exclusively Linux stuff I would suggest a netbook Mar 19 23:56:37 Sts: instantly if you simply cache the vignetted background image :) Mar 19 23:56:39 have one Mar 19 23:56:57 RST38h: true Mar 19 23:56:59 pinback: yes, the one without dvd Mar 19 23:57:06 nice Mar 19 23:57:33 Only 1.2kg and 7.5 hours of use (real numbers are closer to 5h though) Mar 19 23:58:11 Well, I saw Maemo 5 demo, they have that effect on menu Mar 19 23:58:23 Not vignetted just faded Mar 19 23:58:23 the only two problems are 1) it bends and 2) it is covered with garish silvery stuff Mar 19 23:58:51 RST: U sure buying from CompUSA is a good idea - I heard they were going bankrupt Mar 19 23:59:11 pinback: as I said, their mailorder business never went anywhere Mar 19 23:59:26 damn, I can watcth that 2 seconds all night long) Mar 19 23:59:34 watch* Mar 19 23:59:36 wazd: hehe, i repeated the flash too a couple of seconds Mar 19 23:59:40 bman: any idea whats happening with ubuntu-desktop - broken package list seems different today Mar 19 23:59:45 wazd: around 4am you will see the bears. Mar 20 00:00:46 It's so exciting to see something you imagine in your head actualy working) Mar 20 00:01:15 hehe Mar 20 00:01:20 soon you'll be able to see mer ui in effect too Mar 20 00:01:39 saw Meiz's variant earlier? Mar 20 00:02:11 wazd: it may be of some use to make a library of visual components for creating desktop widgets like this Mar 20 00:02:19 Stskeeps: I guess not Mar 20 00:02:52 wazd: http://trac.tspre.org/meiz/screenshots/oxygen/screenshot03.png Mar 20 00:02:59 wazd: i.e. an app programmer will be able to show not just the weather but anything he wants using several predefined display methods, with vignetting happenning automatically Mar 20 00:03:07 wazd: (with oxygen icons) Mar 20 00:03:55 * pinback wants his jaunty desktop Mar 20 00:04:02 wazd: (that's not a mockup) Mar 20 00:04:26 Stskeeps: nice! Mar 20 00:04:45 Stskeeps: I wonder, why "Mer" icon is normal, and mclose is small?) Mar 20 00:04:59 RST38h: That's Appe's 100000 API idea Mar 20 00:05:08 RST38h: Apple's*) Mar 20 00:05:11 wazd: well because we're missing the 64x64 pngs :) Mar 20 00:05:20 Stskeeps: aw Mar 20 00:05:27 wazd: http://trac.tspre.org/meiz/screenshots/oxygen/screenshot02.png as well Mar 20 00:06:44 wazd: anyway, once we get the 64x64 png versions from you, me and zenvoid will sit down and put together the template, theme, etc stuff, so it is installable :) Mar 20 00:06:59 wazd: well we won't need that many :) Mar 20 00:07:13 wazd: really impressive how we can make things look already Mar 20 00:07:36 Stskeeps: That's really nice Mar 20 00:07:54 Stskeeps: Wait I'll make 64x64 icons Mar 20 00:08:09 wazd: and i keep on wondering why noone has headhunted you yet :P Mar 20 00:08:16 Stskeeps, is that package available for 0.9? :P Mar 20 00:08:26 wazd, can we get bigger versions of the background and splash images? Mar 20 00:08:41 GeneralAntilles: i have a 1600x1200 somewhere Mar 20 00:09:08 (we really need to start collecting the artwork a central place..) Mar 20 00:10:13 GeneralAntilles: Max I have is 1920x1200 Mar 20 00:10:25 Stskeeps, you don't have any idea what kind of a nightmare it was trying to get just the maemo.org logo artwork together. Mar 20 00:10:56 So, apparently, blanking the screen on the Mini 9 does not include turning the backlight off. :\ Mar 20 00:11:09 DSME is needed, heh Mar 20 00:11:16 or something to manage backlight Mar 20 00:13:30 Stskeeps: As I understand it will resize 64x64 to 48x48? Mar 20 00:13:41 wazd: yes Mar 20 00:13:46 Just use svg folks Mar 20 00:13:58 RST38h: ironically the svg loader is closed source Mar 20 00:14:04 at least the nokia one Mar 20 00:14:04 Stskeeps: so I just need to resize 48x48 to 64x64?) Mar 20 00:14:22 It is one component you can find in open source :) Mar 20 00:14:43 wazd: if that works for a graphics person.. if it resizes correctly, i guess Mar 20 00:15:03 I wonder how these guys prototype their UI's http://www.tat.se/ Mar 20 00:15:07 wazd: do you use PS or vector graphics btw? (out of curiousity) Mar 20 00:15:17 Stskeeps: both Mar 20 00:15:37 if you have possibility to export svgs that always helps too Mar 20 00:15:58 Stskeeps: but prefer to use PS to make pixel-perfection) Mar 20 00:15:59 wazd: AFAIK, Samsung uses Flash for its production UIs Mar 20 00:16:02 wazd: hehe Mar 20 00:16:10 wazd: So, no only they prototype in flash... Mar 20 00:17:52 even ledd broken dependencies with ubuntu-desktop now - guess they are changing things on the repo right now Mar 20 00:18:02 s/ledd/less/ Mar 20 00:18:04 pinback meant: even less broken dependencies with ubuntu-desktop now - guess they are changing things on the repo right now Mar 20 00:18:13 damn u infobot Mar 20 00:18:49 s/damn/thank/ Mar 20 00:18:49 pinback meant: thank u infobot Mar 20 00:19:24 Stskeeps: check your email) Mar 20 00:20:08 RST38h: then I wonder how they make that 3d stuff :) Mar 20 00:22:52 wazd, gmail? Mar 20 00:23:06 Stskeeps: yep Mar 20 00:23:29 wazd: isn't there some pseudo-3d extension to flash? Mar 20 00:23:44 prolly using opengl es as backend Mar 20 00:24:01 wazd, k, waiting for it Mar 20 00:27:03 wazd, much appriciated:) Mar 20 00:27:20 now we can start hacking Mar 20 00:29:54 I'm so glad I bought a NIT it has made me aware of what level of a community can be obtained with the marriage between proprietary and open source software Mar 20 00:30:32 aka the Unholy Community (tm) Mar 20 00:30:50 lol Mar 20 00:31:46 yigal: this is the only place I've seen it work out this well. Mar 20 00:33:08 android seems strange so far, but I guess I shouldn't judge and should just see what happens in the next year or so Mar 20 00:33:42 android/tmobile/g1 this bag of goodies, sorry that's what I mean, not just android by itself Mar 20 00:35:40 owell I hope maemo/nit etc. keeps on living for a long time, quality stuff Mar 20 00:37:04 hey guys Mar 20 00:37:21 is there a fix for the pidgin protocol issue? Mar 20 00:37:42 liboscar think it is too old Mar 20 00:40:38 liboscar fell into midage crisis :D Mar 20 00:41:18 Ok, see ya tomorrow guys, time to sleep! Mar 20 00:42:07 bye :) Mar 20 00:42:16 no one else? Mar 20 00:50:35 okay, if someone needs to know: you can replace the liboscar.so.0.0.0 with the one from http://packages.debian.org/sid/armel/libpurple0/download . it works fine for me Mar 20 00:51:37 * lcuk curses and moans that babylon 5 night finshed 5 minutes before the end of the movie Mar 20 00:57:50 "The rate at which SCP-088 is able to kill, liquefy, and ingest its victims is astonishing. 3km livestock tests consisting of 5000 animals were consumed by SCP-088 in under 30 seconds." Mar 20 01:01:27 you win for wierd Mar 20 01:04:59 * GeneralAntilles banks head on desk. Mar 20 01:05:04 s/banks/bangs/ Mar 20 01:11:32 * b-man may have found out why ubuntu-desktop is broken; https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2009-February/000541.html Mar 20 01:12:54 doesn't quite make sense though - that message was submited on the 27th of february Mar 20 01:13:09 :P Mar 20 01:26:22 * pinback has his fingers crossed Mar 20 01:27:30 bah repos still broken! Mar 20 01:36:57 only 15broken depends now Mar 20 01:37:23 but I see nautilus etc there so its not gonna fly Mar 20 01:57:14 The following packages have unmet dependencies: Mar 20 01:57:18 libgnome2-0: Depends: libgnome2-common (< 2.26) but 2.26.0-0ubuntu1 is to be installed Mar 20 01:57:49 Thats the problem - a log of the gonome stuff needs a lib with a lower version thats not in the repos Mar 20 01:57:54 s/log/lot/ Mar 20 01:57:55 pinback meant: Thats the problem - a lot of the gonome stuff needs a lib with a lower version thats not in the repos Mar 20 01:59:22 any way to force? Mar 20 02:02:40 apt-get install libgnome2-common=2.26 - i believe Mar 20 02:03:39 pinback: btw, i think that the reason why ubuntu-desktop and sevral gnome related stuff is broken is because the ubuntu jaunty repository is undergoing a large update Mar 20 02:04:32 so the ubuntu-desktop problem (should) be resolved soon ;) Mar 20 02:04:35 yup - many changes today Mar 20 02:05:57 hmmm I managed to install libgnome-common but that doesnt help resolve the dependency issue Mar 20 02:06:16 hmm Mar 20 02:07:29 how do I say "install but ignore libgnome-common version requirement" Mar 20 02:08:13 not too shure about that :( Mar 20 02:08:39 * b-man wonders whare xnt is Mar 20 02:09:26 ~seen xnt Mar 20 02:09:30 xnt is currently on #maemo (14h 29m 18s). Has said a total of 26 messages. Is idling for 13h 38m 37s, last said: 'ok I have to go to school :P'. Mar 20 02:09:41 lol Mar 20 02:10:21 yo b-man what grade you in again? Mar 20 02:10:53 i'm a sophmore - 10th Mar 20 02:11:56 ahhh, right! you taking ogt's? >.< Mar 20 02:12:40 Ohio Graduation Tests -yyyyeeesss >.< Mar 20 02:12:47 rofl :D Mar 20 02:12:52 how did you know??? Mar 20 02:12:57 i live in ohio o.o Mar 20 02:13:06 :D Mar 20 02:13:09 and i took the bloody test two years ago Mar 20 02:13:31 * b-man just took the science test >.< Mar 20 02:13:38 i know :) Mar 20 02:13:44 XD Mar 20 02:13:56 ive got sophomores on my tennis team..they bitch about it Mar 20 02:14:04 lol Mar 20 02:14:19 they should XD Mar 20 02:14:26 it's horrible Mar 20 02:14:33 my school has two hour delay for not sophomores ;p Mar 20 02:14:49 so i go to school like 10:20am...good old sleeping in >.< Mar 20 02:14:50 heh XP Mar 20 02:14:57 lol Mar 20 02:15:21 what does your school do? regular school? Mar 20 02:16:00 on ogt week? - for upper-classmen yes Mar 20 02:16:44 * b-man haves to get up an hour earlier XP Mar 20 02:16:51 ouch Mar 20 02:17:02 yup :( Mar 20 02:17:03 ogt's are a joke man Mar 20 02:17:10 indeed Mar 20 02:17:46 z4chh: witch part of ohio do you live in? Mar 20 02:17:52 i got a sophomore in my ap stat class that got a perfect score on psats...the teacher was jokingly giving him a hard time about ogt math saying "good luck on that" Mar 20 02:18:09 i live outside of dayton Mar 20 02:18:24 i live outside of toledo Mar 20 02:18:37 bowling green, ive seen you on forums ;p Mar 20 02:18:47 yup :P Mar 20 02:18:53 b-man: I was bored Mar 20 02:19:00 hehe Mar 20 02:19:26 b-man: I was in gym class and my n819 fell out of my pocket ,and the teacher saw it and confiscated it :( Mar 20 02:19:27 xnt: play some xbox Mar 20 02:19:44 b-man, if you are able and want to....do the pseo program, it rocks >.< Mar 20 02:19:48 xnt: that sucks! Mar 20 02:19:52 b-man: http://xceleo.com/ps3.html Mar 20 02:19:59 b-man: I know Mar 20 02:20:05 I miss my nit Mar 20 02:20:24 xnt: now all I have left is a blackberry, no ipod, no n810 :( Mar 20 02:20:28 i feel sorry for you Mar 20 02:20:36 my ipod touch's screen cable broke, bo Im really bored Mar 20 02:20:42 *so Mar 20 02:20:45 xnt, if i was that teacher, id give you an A for just having an n810 >.< Mar 20 02:20:52 lol Mar 20 02:20:56 b-man: everything for xubuntu-desktop is there - will that work? Mar 20 02:21:11 shure Mar 20 02:21:17 touchscreen etc? Mar 20 02:21:45 xnt, where do you live? Mar 20 02:21:53 you'll need to remove xserver-xorg-input-synaptic Mar 20 02:22:08 @pinback Mar 20 02:22:11 but on the bright side , My friend let me borrow his ipod touch 2g, so I have something to do :), gotta get a terminal up here, (the iphone/ipods need a maemo port :), maybe Stskeeps will port mer to it oncve they have frivers for it, ) Mar 20 02:22:29 gotta jailbreak it first >.< Mar 20 02:22:35 hehe Mar 20 02:22:42 *once Mar 20 02:22:50 ok - I can always reformat and try again Mar 20 02:22:59 brb Mar 20 02:23:29 * b-man wonders what brb means XP Mar 20 02:23:55 sms code... lol XD Mar 20 02:25:39 * b-man needs to go - i'll be back ;) Mar 20 02:25:46 xnt: lol Mar 20 02:26:25 hi, the iPod needs a decent irc client :P Mar 20 02:27:42 the ipod needs to die >.< Mar 20 02:27:48 ircchon displays '/me' as ACTION :P Mar 20 02:29:01 z4ch: the iPod is good hardware, just needs an opensource os , and a good kb Mar 20 02:29:13 Better to wish for the moon. Mar 20 02:29:41 /me hates the softkb on ipod, why apple why :P Mar 20 02:30:25 ga: iphonelinux.org , a Linux port now it needs drivers Mar 20 02:31:17 brb Mar 20 02:32:48 * xnt hates apple's appstore restrictions Mar 20 02:33:26 GeneralAntilles, indeed ;p ..you'd have better luck trying to divide by 0 o_o Mar 20 02:35:01 * xnt imagines a world where the n810, er sorry i810 is manufactured by apple *Shudders* Mar 20 02:36:22 ***** Drivers Mar 20 02:36:36 5 posts before Mar 20 02:37:49 do any of you have web hosting service from these guys? http://mediatemple.net/ Mar 20 02:39:04 i need to get me an n810 >.< Mar 20 02:39:16 now that the price has dropped hah Mar 20 02:39:22 ipod touch with a decent keyboard :P I want one of those too bad its only a render http://www.ipodtouchfans.com/forums/showthread.php?t=103630 Mar 20 02:39:24 need like, you'll die without one? Mar 20 02:40:09 * pinback has 25mins until his desktop is installed Mar 20 02:40:24 xnt, you want #ipod or something. Mar 20 02:40:49 lol, ok , nevermind, just wanted to show you all :P Mar 20 02:42:05 * xnt hopes that n900 will have multitouch, (fremantle should have multitouch support.) Mar 20 02:42:49 * xnt is sick of pressing the +/- keys on his n810, he hates the feel of those buttons. Mar 20 02:43:00 they hate you too Mar 20 02:43:06 xnt: http://lightfoot.dashjr.org ;) Mar 20 02:43:14 xnt: N810 keyboard sucks :< Mar 20 02:43:48 RX-51 is resistive. Mar 20 02:45:41 GA: :( , it should be at least capacitive Mar 20 02:46:05 luke-jr: :), that game seems familiar... Mar 20 02:46:29 xnt: haha, I have VPS hosting too XD Mar 20 02:47:02 It should have resistive, capacitive, and active digitizer layers, all with no battery impact! Mar 20 02:47:45 luke-jr: too bad I already have a site, and dreamhost plan, my parents won't buy me anything untill my b-day Mar 20 02:48:32 benson: yeah, Im impressed by the maemo power managment. Mar 20 02:49:11 * xnt wants maemo power management all his electronics Mar 20 02:49:43 luke-jr: xceleo.com, yeah I know I wrote it at 2AM, it sucks Mar 20 02:49:52 xnt, capacitive, like resistive, is a compromise. Mar 20 02:50:22 xnt, capacitive is not a better touchscreen technology, it is a different one. One that is inappropriate for devices like the tablets. Mar 20 02:50:40 why inappropriate? Mar 20 02:51:18 crocogator, you know the nice precision that allows people to use desktop programs? Or sketch? Or write notes? Yeah, can't do any of that with capacitive. Mar 20 02:51:38 that's not good Mar 20 02:51:53 not good at all Mar 20 02:52:04 It might make sense if we had a radically different UI or a radically different target userbase (say, Apple's) but we don't so it doesn't. Mar 20 02:52:05 GA: OK :)/:(, I can understand... accuracy and fingers only Mar 20 02:52:26 Unfortunately there is no perfect touchscreen technology, and resistive happens to be the better choice for our platform. Mar 20 02:52:51 sweet, I know I make the best choices without conscious thought, ahh Mar 20 02:53:04 O.o Mar 20 02:53:13 I wonder when dneary'll wake up. . . . Mar 20 02:53:45 * benson really likes the idea of capacitive+active digitizer, but that's not happening. Mar 20 02:54:12 Yeah, I'd love it if there were some clean, effective way to combine the two. Mar 20 02:54:22 Or just a magic touchscreen technology that does everything perfectly. Mar 20 02:54:32 does MicroB support HTML 5? Mar 20 02:55:20 btw GA: neural interface ... maybe on the n1010 Mar 20 02:55:21 GeneralAntilles: Yeah, but a sufficiently advanced technology touchscreen would be indistinguishable. Mar 20 02:55:32 benson, feel like eyeball-calculating these results? :P http://maemo.org/vote/votes.php?election_id=6 Mar 20 02:55:43 benson, :P Mar 20 02:55:54 :P Mar 20 02:55:57 lol Mar 20 02:56:00 that's funny Mar 20 02:56:23 hello- Ive been polishing my app the last 2 weeks.. and unfortunately am getting some really slow response times from the N800s I have... its a python program using SQLite for 1-3k sized records, served with lighttpd Mar 20 02:56:34 i'm back :) Mar 20 02:56:58 The vindictive votes are funny. Mar 20 02:57:03 z4chh, xnt, you guys still here? Mar 20 02:57:05 I was planning to show the N800 as a physically secure source of the data.. but the 2-3 secs per request that I am seeing is making me think otherwise :-/ Mar 20 02:57:08 yeah Mar 20 02:57:15 k Mar 20 02:57:36 GeneralAntilles: thank you. as always you are very well informed. Mar 20 02:57:39 man I love watching videos on the n800 before I go to sleep, that's just the best Mar 20 02:57:42 Oh !@#&*()@!#$&^(&*#$@%^ ! Mar 20 02:57:50 what? Mar 20 02:57:51 crocogator, I do my best. ;) Mar 20 02:57:51 lotta love Mar 20 02:57:53 ok brb Mar 20 02:57:58 benson, you drop your N810 in the toilet? Mar 20 02:57:59 * benson forgot to vote. Mar 20 02:58:06 Hahaha Mar 20 02:58:10 lol Mar 20 02:58:37 I say we include a Word macro in the next voting email that forces people to vote when they receive it. ;) Mar 20 02:59:19 Stupid deadlines sneak up on me; they ought to have a 24h window so I can't procrastinate. Mar 20 03:00:01 * b-man joins twitter **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Mar 20 03:00:02 2009