**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Mar 20 03:00:02 2009 Mar 20 03:00:31 I ran some python sqlite benchmarks casually, and the reads are just s*l*o*w Mar 20 03:00:52 something about the media? I dont know Mar 20 03:00:59 I'd like to see it work Mar 20 03:01:05 its just not Mar 20 03:01:52 I'd be interested to know if any of the non-voting people weren't deliberate. Mar 20 03:02:10 GeneralAntilles: a lol 4 u http://www.ultimateminority.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/bailoutbonuses.gif Mar 20 03:02:25 The Little Bar is what people are whining and yammering about Mar 20 03:02:33 The Big Bar is what they had to pay Mar 20 03:02:39 crocogator, it's a sad situation. Mar 20 03:02:59 When you're taking it up the ass, you gotta complain about something. ;) Mar 20 03:03:15 I'd complain about the big painful bar tbh Mar 20 03:03:55 lol Mar 20 03:04:01 im back :P Mar 20 03:04:09 Funny, I have just been reading this: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/20/nyregion/20siege.html Mar 20 03:04:17 b-man: btw brb means be right back :P Mar 20 03:04:20 The banking system being what it is, it makes it a lot harder for the market to limits its punishment to the people who deserve it. Mar 20 03:04:39 xnt: oh Mar 20 03:05:00 General: Of course, in a situation like this, the only thing a thinking person can hope for is a good show Mar 20 03:05:22 General: Siege, arson, preferably a lynching or two Mar 20 03:05:51 This will help the struggling news outlets too, so it is good for economy Mar 20 03:06:12 b-man: :P? Mar 20 03:06:16 lol ok Mar 20 03:06:25 :) Mar 20 03:07:04 * xnt logs into dreamhost Mar 20 03:07:17 im trting out ruby on rails :) Mar 20 03:07:18 xnt: i'm now on twitter :) - bman626 Mar 20 03:07:21 *trying Mar 20 03:07:30 me to Mar 20 03:07:59 xnt1337? XD Mar 20 03:08:12 xnt is taken :P Mar 20 03:08:21 o.o Mar 20 03:08:27 I made that alternate username in 07 Mar 20 03:08:30 brb Mar 20 03:09:40 ok im back Mar 20 03:10:04 parents are telling me to go to sleep, and no 820 to sneak on irc with :( Mar 20 03:10:08 *n810 Mar 20 03:10:11 :P Mar 20 03:10:33 ipod touch irc client is crap Mar 20 03:10:48 b-man: 0 updates? Mar 20 03:11:25 not atm :( Mar 20 03:11:55 * b-man is waiting on the ubuntu jaunty repo Mar 20 03:11:55 ok Mar 20 03:12:15 b-man: do you have a cellphone with unlimited texting? Mar 20 03:12:28 or like 100 txts a month? Mar 20 03:12:53 xnt: no - my cellphone broke :( Mar 20 03:12:58 * xnt uses his blackberry+prepaid($150) to update his twitter Mar 20 03:13:00 :( Mar 20 03:13:14 b-man: do you have wifi at school? Mar 20 03:13:15 got droped when i let my sister use it Mar 20 03:13:45 * xnt doesn't have a sister or brother to give his nit to Mar 20 03:13:47 xnt: yes, but you cannot do anything without logging in Mar 20 03:14:00 captive portal? Mar 20 03:14:13 or wep encrypted? Mar 20 03:14:27 * xnt doesn't have wifi at school Mar 20 03:14:32 * b-man knows a person that might have a portal Mar 20 03:14:46 xnt: that sucks Mar 20 03:15:06 no what do you mean, does it redirect you drowser to a login page? Mar 20 03:15:12 *browser Mar 20 03:15:13 * b-man is going to a school that isn't even a year old Mar 20 03:15:20 Penta Mar 20 03:15:24 :P Mar 20 03:15:40 xnt: yes Mar 20 03:16:11 GeneralAntilles: Doing some quick grep work, there's no Condorcet winner. Mar 20 03:16:25 z4chh: have you herd of penta? Mar 20 03:16:46 But candidates 1, 2, and 4 are shoo-ins from "x beats y" comparisons. Mar 20 03:17:10 * benson looks to see what names match those numbers... Mar 20 03:17:43 it's one of the biggest technical schools in the eastern united states Mar 20 03:17:53 b-man: http://www.hak5.org/episodes/episode-504, watch it. Mar 20 03:18:00 k :) Mar 20 03:18:00 dns tunneling Mar 20 03:18:27 Jaffa, GeneralAntilles, and timsamoff all look like safe bets. Mar 20 03:18:55 * xnt got his friend ipod online via usb networking, now when I get my nit back ill do the same with it Mar 20 03:19:27 *friend's Mar 20 03:20:20 hi tank-man :P Mar 20 03:20:30 hi Mar 20 03:21:07 http://market-ticker.denninger.net/archives/879-Bernanke-Inserts-Gun-In-Mouth.html Mar 20 03:21:24 tanks-man: bad news, I got my nit confiscated by my gym teacher, when it fell out of my pocket :( Mar 20 03:21:31 * tank-man Mar 20 03:22:00 Just looking at most "x beats y" ballots for each x vs. all y: The top 5 are Jaffa, GeneralAntilles, timsamoff, sjgadsby, & qole Mar 20 03:22:02 crocagator: :P? Mar 20 03:22:08 you don't need a computer for gym :P Mar 20 03:22:15 lol Mar 20 03:22:54 * b-man sides with xnt Mar 20 03:23:11 But everything after the top 3 is close enough to depend on counting method, and the one I'm using is singularly bad, but easily implemented in sh/grep/dc... Mar 20 03:23:31 So sjgadsby and qole are _not_ a prediction. Mar 20 03:24:10 b-man, nope, penta doesn't ring a bell Mar 20 03:24:18 benson, hehe, thanks. ;) Mar 20 03:24:23 tank-man: no I keep it in my pocket at all times , I don't put it in my locker (school supplied locks are crap) and I don't leave it in my bag at all :P Mar 20 03:25:03 Here's the script: Mar 20 03:25:06 for i in 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9; do for j in 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9; do grep $i.\*$j.\*0$ ./election.blt|wc -l; done; echo ++++++++p;done|dc Mar 20 03:25:25 b-man: be careful , try not to ssh into you server :P it will flag you as too much dns traffic :P Mar 20 03:25:28 (In case anyone's random enough they want to check me... :P Mar 20 03:25:31 * b-man lost his ipod by using a crappylocker Mar 20 03:25:44 *crappy locker Mar 20 03:26:40 hey, I lost my ipod nano cause it was too small Mar 20 03:27:21 lol Mar 20 03:28:36 heh - when i came back to my locker to get my ipod, there was a huge dent in it and it was open :P Mar 20 03:29:02 (the locker) Mar 20 03:30:39 someone was pritty desperate :P Mar 20 03:30:42 :P Mar 20 03:30:47 :P:P Mar 20 03:30:58 :P:P:P Mar 20 03:31:28 ok nite, my parents are threatening to ban me from my computer :( Mar 20 03:31:33 :P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P Mar 20 03:31:47 ok nite, ill try to sneak ok with the ipod Mar 20 03:31:52 :P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P Mar 20 03:31:55 :P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P Mar 20 03:32:02 hah Mar 20 03:32:03 make it stop Mar 20 03:32:07 xnt, i used to get that all the time Mar 20 03:32:09 :P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P Mar 20 03:32:12 ok ill stop Mar 20 03:32:23 :P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P Mar 20 03:32:29 :|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:| Mar 20 03:32:32 b-man: damn Mar 20 03:32:44 xDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxD Mar 20 03:32:49 ok nite Mar 20 03:32:52 :P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P: Mar 20 03:32:53 P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P Mar 20 03:33:14 i'm done XD Mar 20 03:33:38 * benson probably has the widest irssi window open :P Mar 20 03:33:54 My :| line all fit in one line :P Mar 20 03:34:10 lol Mar 20 03:35:53 * b-man needs to go - parents are breathing down his back too Mar 20 03:50:33 ~boot-sd Mar 20 03:50:33 i guess boot-sd is https://wiki.maemo.org/Booting_from_a_flash_card Mar 20 04:35:21 hi Mar 20 04:36:26 wladi: hi Mar 20 05:02:34 wladi, Mar 20 05:02:37 ~flashing Mar 20 05:02:38 i guess flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Mar 20 05:04:29 thanks Mar 20 06:25:33 blah Mar 20 06:25:49 every time I have a hard shutdown (e.g. out of battery) Mar 20 06:25:59 my charging indicator locks up Mar 20 06:26:22 and needs gtk icon cache update... Mar 20 06:27:09 (not just gfx locks up - also the actual indicator) Mar 20 06:28:28 it might be relevant that I'm usually running Canola when the hard "shutdown" happens Mar 20 06:43:26 morning Mar 20 06:51:02 hello Mar 20 06:51:04 hi Mar 20 06:51:36 oh dear god Mar 20 06:52:13 seems like election results are out Mar 20 06:52:23 bush, ftw? Mar 20 06:52:23 Winners are Andrew Flegg (Jaffa), Ryan Abel (GeneralAntilles), Tim Mar 20 06:52:23 Samoff (timsamoff), Kees Jongenburger (keesj), and Mar 20 06:52:23 Alan Bruce (qole). Mar 20 06:52:29 lol Mar 20 06:52:48 (that line break was not intentional) Mar 20 06:52:48 Yay! Mar 20 06:52:56 I guessed 4/5 right! Mar 20 06:53:15 (Including the 3 I was sure about, and one of the ones I wasn't.) Mar 20 06:53:27 elected to do what? Mar 20 06:53:38 x29a: maemo.org community council (sp) Mar 20 06:53:43 ah Mar 20 06:54:02 * Stskeeps is happy to see keesj made it in Mar 20 06:54:11 did you want to be part of that? Mar 20 06:54:19 me? fuck no :> Mar 20 06:54:25 * Stskeeps spends more time coding than talking Mar 20 06:54:29 ha, great results then ;) Mar 20 06:55:03 eee, i need help... Mar 20 06:55:13 but for the sake of the maemo community, i think this new council will be a plus, as we have great challenges ahead Mar 20 06:56:18 i have a n810 and a desktop pc with ubuntu 8.10...i want update my maemo to Diablo, but i doesn't...use this comand: sudo ./flasher-3.0.amd64 -F RX-44_DIABLO_5.2008.43-7_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f -R Mar 20 06:56:41 wladi: do you follow Mar 20 06:56:43 ~flashing Mar 20 06:56:44 methinks flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Mar 20 06:56:45 ? Mar 20 06:57:51 hm, is infobot broken? Mar 20 06:57:51 yes i did... Mar 20 06:58:00 shouldnt that be a "/me thinkgs"? Mar 20 06:58:09 wladi: and whats the error message? Mar 20 06:58:48 wladi: turn off your device, hook it to the usb, do that flasher command, turn on the device and hold the "switch" button (with little arrow) until its done flashing Mar 20 07:00:27 fine, i'm trying again, but i don't see a error message Mar 20 07:00:47 in which way does it then not work? Mar 20 07:00:59 you have a terminal or something on your ubuntu machine, right? Mar 20 07:01:12 not just "execute command" Mar 20 07:01:31 and you are in the directory where the image is also (checked the md5 hash and stuff) Mar 20 07:01:35 he may have to chmod +x the flasher-3.0.amd64 file Mar 20 07:01:59 neatojones: the "error"message which would indicate that is "file not found" Mar 20 07:02:10 but since there is (doubted) no error message, hmm Mar 20 07:02:13 but good point Mar 20 07:05:20 I had a good lesson in permission hell a few days ago when I was building debian packages and recursively copied, tar'ed, moved, and untarred several folders (and moved them between partitions with various permissions). It was a nightmare. Mar 20 07:05:34 haha Mar 20 07:05:59 i always mess up the gentoo tarball regarding the permissions while extracting Mar 20 07:06:39 I forget which modifiers to use sometimes when extracting or copying. Mar 20 07:06:58 * Stskeeps notes to himself he should probably go to work since his local LAN server is getting packet loss.. Mar 20 07:07:02 yes , i have a terminal and have 777 in the flasher... XD Mar 20 07:07:21 does the flasher start? Mar 20 07:07:30 its gotta say something Mar 20 07:07:36 do you have an amd64 arch? Mar 20 07:07:44 ;P Mar 20 07:07:50 hehe Mar 20 07:09:00 that would be funny Mar 20 07:09:00 hahaha, yes, i have amd64 Mar 20 07:09:07 s/funny/sad Mar 20 07:09:19 muh...I screwed that up. Mar 20 07:09:21 wladi: so what does the flasher say? Mar 20 07:09:27 neatojones: ;) Mar 20 07:09:53 root@x31:/home/bene/Projects/N810# ./flasher-3.0.app Mar 20 07:09:54 flasher v0.8.7 (Oct 17 2006) Mar 20 07:09:54 Nothing to do! Mar 20 07:10:53 wladi: what does your flasher say, when you just start it? Mar 20 07:11:21 sudo ./flasher-3.0.amd64 -F RX-44_DIABLO_5.2008.43-7_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f -R flasher v0.8.1 (Jan 5 2007) SW version in image: RX-44_DIABLO_5.2008.43-7_PR_MR0 Image 'kernel', size 1536640 bytes Version 2.6.21-200842maemo1 Image 'initfs', size 2327808 bytes Version 0.95.22-200842maemo1w38b3 Image 'rootfs', size 125435904 bytes Version RX-34+RX-44+RX-48_DIABLO_5.2008.43-7_PR_MR0 FIASCO subimage data length mismatch Mar 20 07:11:38 subimage data length mismatch Mar 20 07:12:04 wladi: md5sum RX-44_DIABLO_5.2008.43-7_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin Mar 20 07:12:07 redownload. Mar 20 07:12:18 wladi: Do you haev N810 or N800? Mar 20 07:12:19 a0738fcc7b556d1c6d49d796b48a7a37 Mar 20 07:12:21 N810 Mar 20 07:12:24 n810 Mar 20 07:12:35 ok... Mar 20 07:12:53 redownload?? why?? Mar 20 07:13:08 Seems like an easy way to try and fix it. Mar 20 07:13:24 Maybe there is an error in the file. Mar 20 07:13:38 not flasher, the image. Mar 20 07:13:56 I could be wrong. But that's what I'd do. Mar 20 07:14:17 wladi: what does md5sum say? Mar 20 07:14:27 easy way to check the consistency Mar 20 07:14:36 ok, off to the pool, bye Mar 20 07:14:41 pool? Mar 20 07:14:45 what? Mar 20 07:14:51 swimming, water Mar 20 07:14:52 what temp is it there? Mar 20 07:14:54 probably girls Mar 20 07:14:56 I'm jealous Mar 20 07:14:57 inside Mar 20 07:15:09 ah. Don't go if there aren't girls :D Mar 20 07:15:19 jk Mar 20 07:15:20 later Mar 20 07:15:44 fine, i redownload the image Mar 20 07:22:44 mmm, the md5sum is diferent between the file and the md5sum in the page :P Mar 20 07:25:29 i think that this is the problem, hahaha, i'm downling the image and will try again Mar 20 07:27:49 Sounds like the best fix. Mar 20 07:30:14 the problem was between the keyboard and the chair!! i was the problem!! Mar 20 07:30:43 now update to Diablo! thanks!! Mar 20 07:37:51 now...anyone used the gnupg in the n810?? for encrypt Mar 20 07:44:13 Meiz_n810: moro Mar 20 07:44:26 mo Mar 20 07:49:38 re Mar 20 07:49:55 is there a common wiimote driver that people use with NITs? I just ported and debianized the cwiid. It's wmgui needs a bit maemofication but seems to work quite nicely as it is. But before I go further with this, I'd like to know wether there's already a wiimote driver/library that's being used with meaemo devices? Mar 20 07:50:54 There's wiicontrol, a python thing written specially for the tablets. cwiid may benefit those who aren't into python though. Mar 20 07:52:48 I tried the wiicontrol, but I appeared to lack quite a bit of wiimote's features. Maybe I just overlookd (because I'm one of those "not into python"). Anyway, the cwiid seemed to work almost out-of-the box fully. Toggle leds, all input received, accelerometers, sound buzzing, etc... Mar 20 07:54:01 Yeah, that sounds cool, I can't think of anything else except for a old cwiid tarball (http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17579) Mar 20 07:56:23 Yeah, I saw that, but... "open that tar to /" is not a deployment scheme I'm interested in. Besides the cwiid has configure and the works. All I did was added the debian/ dir with basic rules and that was pretty much it. Mar 20 07:57:01 I'll give a go at hildonizing it's control gui a bit. And see what happens. Mar 20 07:57:01 Heh, yeah, I can see where you are coming from :) Mar 20 07:58:41 While we're at it, what about 2D physics engine? (and now should be able to see also where am headed :)) Mar 20 07:59:23 Yesterday I ported box2d. It's c++, but I can live with that. Works resonably well in n810. Some 30 odd balls bouncing around nicely. Mar 20 08:00:21 Yep, the most excellent numpty physics game for tablets is based on box2d :) Mar 20 08:01:39 right, but do they all just link it in? I mean, I took a peek at tomiphy, and it used it statically. And since I don't see the lib available, I take it that the numpty physics does the same thing? Mar 20 08:02:47 The numpty physics source suggests it does Mar 20 08:03:44 alright. I'm fine it what, although I prefer shared libraries, but what the hell. Mar 20 08:15:42 * mgedmin runs out of disk space Mar 20 08:15:52 too many logs? Mar 20 08:18:37 maemo has no logs... Mar 20 08:18:50 ah Mar 20 08:19:27 strange: ash keeps no history now Mar 20 08:36:10 neatojones: did wladi mention what exactly was the problem? Mar 20 08:36:26 yeah Mar 20 08:36:48 I think he said there was an error in the checksum Mar 20 08:36:59 then he said somethign about he typed something wrong. Mar 20 08:37:08 maybe he downloaded the wrong file. Mar 20 08:37:17 wrong version from what he meant to download. Mar 20 08:38:47 okidoki Mar 20 08:39:02 but typically started with "there is no error". i like. not. Mar 20 08:40:56 Is there an easy or atleast somewhat straighforward way hildonize a glade using gtk applet? (is there "hildon glade" or something?) Mar 20 08:50:30 Morning, all Mar 20 08:50:41 yes Mar 20 08:55:10 morning Jaffa, timelyx Mar 20 08:55:21 Jaffa: and congratulations on the council positin Mar 20 08:55:22 +o Mar 20 09:05:16 Stskeeps: ta Mar 20 09:06:41 * Stskeeps is fairly happy with the new council :) Mar 20 09:08:24 good morning Mar 20 09:26:51 congrats new council members!!! :( to those who didnt make it Mar 20 09:29:30 council? Mar 20 09:30:34 yeah, maemo.org council Mar 20 09:30:48 not on maemo.org Mar 20 09:32:15 hi dneary are the results in? maemo.org is quiet and http://maemo.org/community/council/ doesn't say Mar 20 09:32:31 hi lbt Mar 20 09:32:42 hi :) Mar 20 09:32:53 As I said earlier: http://maemo.org/vote/blt.php?election_id=6 Mar 20 09:33:01 Run the election yourself :) Mar 20 09:33:21 I mailed the results to maemo-community this morning Mar 20 09:33:44 http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-community/2009-March/003524.html Mar 20 09:34:00 ah, thanks I was just looking round the web for results, not looked at my maemo folder yet Mar 20 09:49:54 dneary: err Mar 20 09:50:02 i just got a random file, that was mean Mar 20 09:51:48 oh, and could someone make the community/council/ page not crash my safari? Mar 20 09:51:49 please? :) Mar 20 09:52:58 hi timelyx Mar 20 09:53:09 http://pastebin.mozilla.org/635277 Mar 20 09:53:11 Random file? Mar 20 09:53:15 the dlt link Mar 20 09:53:20 You got the raw ballots of the election Mar 20 09:53:23 yeah Mar 20 09:53:23 in .blt formal Mar 20 09:53:29 format Mar 20 09:53:31 but your sentence didn't indicate that's what it was Mar 20 09:53:41 Ah Mar 20 09:53:46 which meant my irc client launched safari which dumped a random file on my desktop Mar 20 09:53:56 Any idea what exactly is crashing safari? Mar 20 09:54:05 Does it crash konq as well? Mar 20 09:54:18 Or other webkit-based browsers? Mar 20 09:54:39 well, 200 stack frames is expensive, but i don't think that's relevant... Mar 20 09:54:44 basically safari 1 sucks :) Mar 20 09:55:44 and in case you're curious, i can't run firefox 3 either... Mar 20 09:56:33 oh weird Mar 20 09:56:44 * timelyx didn't realize surplus votes were transfered Mar 20 09:58:05 so, is the software that did http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-community/2009-March/003524.html open? Mar 20 09:58:16 because its line wrapping sucks and a bug should be filed :) Mar 20 09:59:01 actually, that's not really related to open source, as long as it supports bug reporting :) Mar 20 10:00:11 so, is a surplus vote any vote from a voter for which each vote they've casted hasn't actually voted for a winner? Mar 20 10:14:40 surplus is when a candidate has >threshold ballots sitting on them afaiui Mar 20 10:15:42 i'm vaguely considering lunch Mar 20 10:15:45 oh, actually, yes Mar 20 10:15:51 since i have a dinner today if i don't screw up Mar 20 10:15:53 not too sure which ones get transfered Mar 20 10:17:15 i'd hope it's something like: election 2 seats, 3 cands. 5 voters, [1 2 3] [1 2 3] [1 3 2] [1 3 2] [1 2]. everyone voted for 1, and everyone is allowed to vote for 2 candidates, so everyone has their second vote transfered Mar 20 10:23:50 timelyx: No way, that would make too much sense. Mar 20 10:24:15 STV, the single means you're only casting one vote. Mar 20 10:24:21 I think the idea is the sum stays the number of nonempty ballots Mar 20 10:24:54 But if your first choice wins with votes to spare, your vote _may_ get tossed to your second pick Mar 20 10:25:33 Or if he gets booted with too few, then your vote _does_ get tossed down Mar 20 10:29:32 bEnson: arg Mar 20 10:29:45 So someone else's ballot is randomly chosen Mar 20 10:30:12 The way they're doing it, the redistirbution is random, so not even repeatable. Mar 20 10:30:23 awesome Mar 20 10:30:38 How about we use ... Mar 20 10:30:50 dOnald trump's method Mar 20 10:30:58 Every candidate is elected Mar 20 10:31:07 And every week we fire someone Mar 20 10:31:37 When we reach the correct number of people, we stop firing Mar 20 10:31:37 IMHO, STV is horribly broken in so many ways. But somehow, it gives us a lot better results than the previous system should, and so it's not apparent how rotten it is. Mar 20 10:31:49 timelE61i: I rather like that, actually. Mar 20 10:32:10 Much saner than STV. Mar 20 10:32:10 It seems a hell of a lot better Mar 20 10:32:20 And the american public agrees w/ it Mar 20 10:38:48 all voting systems are broken, pretty much :) Mar 20 10:39:06 heh Mar 20 10:45:58 The only problem w/ trump's system is the potential for too many candidates (not a problem we have) and the management overhead required for the long eection Mar 20 10:47:15 Trump can be replaced by american idol/dancing w-stars to support popular vote Mar 20 10:51:32 is there any way to uninstall orphaned dependencies via apt? Mar 20 10:51:50 standard apt has autoremove option which is missing in maemo Mar 20 10:52:32 i thought app manager would remove junk Mar 20 10:52:59 timelE61i: if you're installing apps using manager it will Mar 20 10:53:21 i'm doing it via ssh & apt Mar 20 10:53:48 i such case app manager doesn't remove orphaned deps Mar 20 10:57:17 rIght Mar 20 10:57:34 "don't do that" ;) ENOTSUP Mar 20 10:58:54 maybe is there some logfiles, or some tool which can find such deps? Mar 20 11:01:11 i have same problem as this message -> http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=27127 Mar 20 11:01:20 cannot start hildon Mar 20 11:02:05 'lo vdvsx Mar 20 11:02:11 hi all Mar 20 11:02:39 we have a new council today :) Mar 20 11:02:44 yeah Mar 20 11:02:58 think it's a good one Mar 20 11:04:33 some surprises for me Mar 20 11:05:45 think keesj is good to have on the team and qole for understanding the importance of regular applications on the tablets.. Mar 20 11:05:47 at ARMEL target it does work Mar 20 11:06:39 * boneslaw rips out his left arm and waves it in the air excitedly Mar 20 11:06:46 shoot|! Mar 20 11:07:33 I meet keesj in fosdem, is a very nice guy :) Mar 20 11:07:36 dear god @ the Maemo 5 Reveals its Features thread Mar 20 11:07:58 has skype -ever- declined their old clients to join their network? :P Mar 20 11:22:04 Are people speculating skype on n8x0 will be killed once "n900" is released? Mar 20 11:23:05 so it seems Mar 20 11:23:37 * ShadowJK shall assume you mean that people seem to be speculating Mar 20 11:23:56 you'll be right Mar 20 11:43:02 ShadowJK: no, on the contrary Mar 20 11:43:13 ShadowJK: that RX-51 won't have skype Mar 20 11:43:18 (and Mer won't have skype) Mar 20 11:44:44 Maybe I misunderstood (projecting sanity), but I thought there were two fears. Mar 20 11:45:07 Tha RX-51 vgets shiny new Skype, and Mer can't have it Mar 20 11:45:24 and that RX-51 vgets no Skype. Mar 20 11:45:37 and that "Mer can't use Skype cos it's 3rd party" Mar 20 11:45:53 like, even the n8x0 version Mar 20 11:46:02 Either way, Mer should have OS2008 Skype if anyone wants iut bad enough. Mar 20 11:46:24 yes, it's not really difficult, once we get the Nokia-closed + Mer image distribution going Mar 20 11:46:35 i actually already wrote the script for it Mar 20 11:47:01 benson: http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Proposals/Community_Firmware Mar 20 11:47:13 (it is not configured for obvious reasons) Mar 20 11:48:17 * benson makes astonishingly many typos when typing lkefthanded and eating pizza... Mar 20 11:48:56 benson: it's trivial to get skype working since nokia pretty much said we can distribute nokia closed stuff using a scheme .. Mar 20 11:50:01 Yeah, but Skype doesn't even need that, I think; tablets just come with a Skype downloader, right? Mar 20 11:50:35 So we just get the Skype client from same URL/whatever that uses? Mar 20 11:50:46 * benson hasn't really looked at it. Mar 20 11:51:38 * lcuk nicks bensons pizza Mar 20 11:52:55 benson: aye. Mar 20 11:53:00 * benson types much straighter now Mar 20 11:53:19 the problem is 1) osso-dsp-modules-rx-44, 2) adobe-flashplayer (don't get me started), and wifi/bt firmware Mar 20 11:53:44 as they are in updates repository (first two), but is 3rd party Mar 20 11:54:08 I see Mar 20 11:54:56 and hence we can't legally pass them under the "nokia closed software to nokia tablets" :P Mar 20 11:55:28 Adobe can't _possibly_ mind, considering it makes their platform-grip all the stronger, but that's not exactly a license. :/ Mar 20 11:55:44 benson: they can mind if it works like crap :P Mar 20 11:56:15 benson: but for what it's worth, i'm not about to start including guides for mer how to let's say, include flash, or sound (yet), as it would damage the process Mar 20 11:56:32 Ah, so Nokia's paying them big money to use it, even though it works like crap already? Mar 20 11:56:42 get the graphics drivers as well :P Mar 20 11:57:55 * benson likes Java better, simply because it's not associated with evil, broken, horrid binaries. Mar 20 11:58:15 its just associated with evil, broken, horrid bytecode :P Mar 20 11:59:22 benson, should we go the google way and produce a java framework? Mar 20 12:00:23 Why? Google already made one, we can just rip it! Mar 20 12:00:24 speaking of which, will the android ui sit ontop of any linux? Mar 20 12:00:47 ie without having to rip out your entire system and start agian Mar 20 12:00:57 Could be made to, but AFAIK, nobody's done it yet. Mar 20 12:01:37 what are the principle apps on android Mar 20 12:01:49 You could get at least gvm-level UI continuity, and probably better. Mar 20 12:02:26 IDK, never had an android yet. Mar 20 12:02:48 i hear you can buy some from eastern countries - some even interface with asimo Mar 20 12:03:17 * lcuk wants a real android :) Mar 20 12:04:03 :D Mar 20 12:08:32 Octave/gnuplot anyone Mar 20 12:08:34 ? Mar 20 12:26:33 learning ruby :P http://xceleo.com/wl-ruby.png Mar 20 12:27:02 ruby <3 Mar 20 12:27:21 thresh: its a nice language Mar 20 12:27:31 yeah Mar 20 12:27:39 i published some of my projects in ruby Mar 20 12:28:49 * Jaffa yawns a bit Mar 20 12:28:55 lardman: enjoying your first day of freedom? Mar 20 12:29:24 dunno, am still getting the emails ;) Mar 20 12:29:58 but yes, am certainly reasonably productive (though that's not actually because I'm not on the council anymore) Mar 20 12:30:48 moo lardman Mar 20 12:30:56 Stskeeps: did ssvb have any more to say about ARM-side audio for the n810? Mar 20 12:30:58 hi RST38h Mar 20 12:31:51 lardman: no sorry, it's a bit over my head that area :) to me it looks a bit like we can't get around the PCM dsp task Mar 20 12:31:55 but i don't know enough of this area Mar 20 12:32:26 lardman: I'm going to shut your email forward down now ;) Mar 20 12:32:31 * xnt xnt|atschool Mar 20 12:32:33 well currently that is the problem, but if we could move access to the audio (hw) codec to the ARM side we could free up the DSP completely Mar 20 12:32:40 X-Fade: ok Mar 20 12:32:52 ok i have to go to school :P Mar 20 12:34:12 As I said yesterday, I wonder how much of the Fremantle dev was done on the n810, and therefore whether they have a kernel driver for the audio hwe Mar 20 12:34:19 s/hwe/hw Mar 20 12:34:27 X-Fade: can i get a quick overview if something like http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Proposals/Community_Firmware (the maemo.org part) is technically plausible on maemo.org servers? - i've written the scripts to make images and all that stuff already Mar 20 12:36:49 it basically takes a mer image, installs debs into it and tar.gz's it up for distribution :) Mar 20 12:37:41 I've wondered about a bare-bones Mer base image which on first boot (& agreeing to EULA, etc.) installs the required Nokia .debs Mar 20 12:38:08 though I guess that wouldn't prevent people installing on a non-Nokia device still Mar 20 12:38:11 lardman: in the long run this solution is better because of wifi firmware Mar 20 12:38:23 which we'll have to put on at some point Mar 20 12:38:34 and without wifi firmware no connectivity Mar 20 12:38:40 yep of course, silly me Mar 20 12:39:41 Stskeeps: I have to catch up with a few things, but I'll check it out.. Mar 20 12:39:46 X-Fade: alright, ta Mar 20 12:40:09 X-Fade: just wanted to push it past you before getting the whole machinery on it :P Mar 20 12:41:12 Stskeeps: how far off a useable image is Mer then? Is there a list of what to install to make it useable? Mar 20 12:41:36 lardman: my first goal is hald-addon-bme really Mar 20 12:41:42 so we can get battery reporting Mar 20 12:42:01 then we can slowly start integrating and making patch recipes Mar 20 12:42:31 lardman: http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Documentation/Common_Packages is how API compatible with Fremantle alpha we are atm Mar 20 12:43:34 thanks Mar 20 12:44:31 will hopefully be a good place to point Nokia developers to, to help them bring their packages to modern environments :P Mar 20 12:44:40 lol Mar 20 12:45:16 which is one of the purposes of mer Mar 20 13:03:45 supposedly I now have 25 megs free on . Mar 20 13:03:49 supposedly I now have 25 megs free on / Mar 20 13:03:54 that's much :P Mar 20 13:04:07 will that be sufficient for fennec 1.0 beta 1, which requires 10 megs (according to app installer)? Mar 20 13:04:21 jffs2 is like drive space: you can't rely on the numbers Mar 20 13:07:03 yeah Mar 20 13:07:08 it can compress so Mar 20 13:07:23 Stskeeps: there's been no reply on the 3rd party stuff yet, has there? Mar 20 13:08:47 Jaffa: qgil discussed it a bit recently - we can probably go ahead with the nokia-closed stuff, they're talking to TI about codecs i believe - for now, we can survive with not touching initfs Mar 20 13:09:00 Does maemo have screen savers? Mar 20 13:09:12 SaBer: there's a xscreensaver port, but it's a waste of energy.. Mar 20 13:09:12 :P Mar 20 13:09:32 * mgedmin wants the app installer to have categories based on the first letter of the package name Mar 20 13:09:56 well, "categories" Mar 20 13:09:59 buttons, really Mar 20 13:10:00 Jaffa: but so far the "app" 3rd party stuff is 1) flash 2) skype (has .install and distributable by themselves, depends on nokia stuff), 3) gizmo (deb distributed by them) Mar 20 13:11:06 Jaffa: i'm personally happy with if we get the HW interfacing done, cos that's the most important part :P Mar 20 13:42:40 lfelipe: hi, can i talk to you about a gsoc project? Mar 20 13:43:49 ymalheiros: sure Mar 20 13:44:01 lfelipe: pvt? Mar 20 13:44:18 ok Mar 20 13:59:50 jffs2: 25 megs free - 10 megs for fennec = 5 megs free Mar 20 14:15:32 and I wonder which part I'm missing out when I can't setup any msn/icq accounts on the n800 Mar 20 14:15:53 I go through the wizard and press finish, and the account isn't in the account list Mar 20 14:21:33 Hello everyone. I read the details of the Maemo GSoC idea of integrating Maemo and Hildon with OE. Can someone please give some pointers about where I can get more details on this particular idea ? Mar 20 14:21:50 where did you see this? Mar 20 14:22:02 Stskeeps, Maemo GSoC ideas page Mar 20 14:22:41 Stskeeps, it was put forth by Florian Mar 20 14:22:45 ah Mar 20 14:22:53 well i guess poking him could do the trick Mar 20 14:23:08 you can possibly use the huge amount of Mer packages Mar 20 14:23:14 http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Documentation/Common_Packages Mar 20 14:24:23 Stskeeps, I thought so, but I am not sure of my IRC etiquette knowledge and hence not sure if a general onlooker like me PM-ing a developer is allowable Mar 20 14:24:40 Stskeeps, thanks for that info Mar 20 14:34:50 genteel rkirti|afk Mar 20 15:12:21 boneslaw, you pinged ? wrong person I guess ? Mar 20 15:17:03 i was just praising your politeness Mar 20 15:33:34 I want to know whether there is anyone would be mentor on the project "smart news reader on n800" Mar 20 15:37:01 derkaiser: there is already a news reader for n800, what would make it smart? Mar 20 15:37:23 / rss Mar 20 15:46:49 * RST38h feeds lcuk some more bacon Mar 20 15:49:51 RST38h: i dont need any more bacon. but im always thankful of a topup Mar 20 16:06:08 I'm having trouble getting a python status bar working, does anyone have any experience in this area? Mar 20 16:08:53 i have installed python2.5-hildondesktop and hildon-desktop-python-loader, have placed my .py application into /usr/lib/hildon-desktop/ and my Desktop Entry file into /usr/share/applications/hildon-status-bar/ Mar 20 16:09:52 the application appears in the Status Bar tab in Panels, but when it is checked, will not appear in the actual status bar Mar 20 16:15:31 restarting hildon-desktop using /etc/init.d/hildon-desktop stop ; /etc/init.d/hildon-desktop start doesn't make any difference either Mar 20 16:22:06 can anyone help with a python status bar not loading? Mar 20 16:25:09 Oh those js warnings are annoying. Can't I somehow set file:// as trusted? Mar 20 16:25:32 (as you can do on firefox) Mar 20 16:34:09 has anyone developed python status bar applications? Mar 20 16:34:47 412b with advanced power and there's a whole thread on the topic on itt Mar 20 16:38:20 * prebacon oinks Mar 20 16:38:58 cheers qwerty12, was just hoping someone would be around just now Mar 20 16:42:19 curious question Mar 20 16:42:26 is my "Charging" screen supposed to be scrolling? Mar 20 16:43:00 scrolling? Mar 20 16:43:08 yes, it's scrolling vertically across the screen Mar 20 16:43:12 rolling out of tune? Mar 20 16:43:33 is this mer or maemo? cos the maemo one is static in the middle Mar 20 16:43:44 maemo. Mar 20 16:43:58 and honestly, it was scrolling across the screen, like when a display is out of synnc. Mar 20 16:44:07 either that or i had too much beer. Mar 20 16:44:19 yeah, firstrun glitches - ala liqbase? Mar 20 16:44:28 err. maybe. Mar 20 16:44:33 this -really- shouldn't be scrolling. Mar 20 16:44:40 no, take a vid Mar 20 16:44:43 is it corrupted? Mar 20 16:44:49 nop Mar 20 16:44:51 just scrolling Mar 20 16:44:54 take a vid :D Mar 20 16:45:04 too late now Mar 20 16:45:08 i don't want my tablet to die. Mar 20 16:45:27 i noticed the bootwizard comes up before charging starts Mar 20 16:45:38 btw, i once managed to get liqbase over the top of the charging screen Mar 20 16:45:52 I've done that a few times with a few apps Mar 20 16:45:54 it was running as root and drawing directly on the xv overlay and got stuck in a loop Mar 20 16:45:58 bbl anyway Mar 20 16:48:15 anyone experienced in python status bar apps? i've installed python2.5-hildondesktop and hildon-desktop-python-loader, and have placed my .py application into /usr/lib/hildon-desktop/ and my Desktop Entry file into /usr/share/applications/hildon-status-bar/. The status bar app shows up in Panel, but doesn't appear in the bar, when it's checked?? Mar 20 16:49:27 Run the py from a terminal and see if it spits out errors. A pastebin of the desktop file would be nice. Mar 20 16:49:59 python /usr/lib/hildon-desktop/status-bar-app.py doesn't give any tracebacks Mar 20 16:50:53 status-bar-app.desktop contains: [Desktop Entry] // Name=Status Bar App // Type=python // X-Path=status-bar-app Mar 20 16:51:04 Try python2.5 instead. If you have python-launcher running, it stops console output from being displayed >.< Mar 20 16:51:16 ahh i'll give that a bash Mar 20 16:52:16 python2.5 doesn't give any tracebacks either :( Mar 20 16:54:21 this is a pain Mar 20 16:58:24 can anyone else offer any suggestions? Mar 20 17:01:26 tried peanutbutter? Mar 20 17:02:32 i'm allergic Mar 20 17:02:34 :( Mar 20 17:03:17 we'll you're stuck then Mar 20 17:03:31 add debug messages Mar 20 17:04:52 Hi devs I want to contribute to maemo as gsoc student Mar 20 17:04:57 any dev there to discuss ideas Mar 20 17:09:55 hello spsneo, what do you have in mind ? Mar 20 17:11:40 social app based on open socia Mar 20 17:11:44 social* Mar 20 17:12:36 spsneo, pm ? Mar 20 17:12:50 pm means? Mar 20 17:13:34 VDVsx: pm means? Mar 20 17:13:37 spsneo, means private mensage :) Mar 20 17:28:06 where's a good source for FIASCO images Mar 20 17:28:21 tablets-dev Mar 20 17:28:47 yeah, i tried out 2008HE for the 770 but the diablo/sdk repo isnt very friendly to that Mar 20 17:29:06 Woolly-work: your best bet to debug python status bar apps is to run it in scratchbox Mar 20 17:29:34 without a 3rd party 2008 FIASCO, i guess i might as well reflash & try another dselect-upgrade Mar 20 17:29:40 nothin to loose. Mar 20 17:34:26 bjv, because OS2008HE isn't Diablo Mar 20 17:34:28 It's Chinook. Mar 20 17:34:53 also, because the diablo/sdk repo isnt intended to run on the device? Mar 20 17:35:03 it maybe could, though. right? Mar 20 17:35:14 Why would you want to? Mar 20 17:35:22 There's a reason it's not intended for it. Mar 20 17:35:38 but it ~is all arm-compiled debs Mar 20 17:36:04 I wont argue with you if you want to break things. Mar 20 17:36:28 i would like to know what repo the actual diablo installs are pulling from, though. Mar 20 17:37:35 The updates are coming from the update repo. Mar 20 18:08:24 any Diablo users here? Mar 20 18:12:15 i am Mar 20 18:12:45 what does your /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ look like Mar 20 18:13:07 moment Mar 20 18:13:33 when i try deb http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/updates/diablo ./ Mar 20 18:13:44 i get a 401: Unauthorized Mar 20 18:13:50 it change its place afair Mar 20 18:14:04 it's passworded Mar 20 18:14:16 qwerty12: where's the password stored? Mar 20 18:14:22 apt Mar 20 18:14:28 huh Mar 20 18:14:52 hm Mar 20 18:27:06 can someone post the apt config file that has this password, then? Mar 20 18:27:16 or just the file name/ the line? Mar 20 18:30:37 Diablo repositories are just not documented anywhere. T_T Mar 20 18:30:48 what kind of operation is nokia running here. Mar 20 18:30:59 Stskeeps, VDVsx and others thanks a lot for the support . I will do my best to make things work! Mar 20 18:32:07 bjv, that update repository is for N800/N810 only. Mar 20 18:32:23 im aware Mar 20 18:32:41 It's passworded because unless you own one of those devices, you do not have a license to use several of those packages. Mar 20 18:32:51 hm Mar 20 18:33:16 then that is a significant roadblock Mar 20 18:33:18 what packages? Mar 20 18:33:24 Flash, for one. Mar 20 18:33:38 oh weird, they have different version Flash? Mar 20 18:34:07 Adobe doesn't have a free version of Flash for ARM. Mar 20 18:34:29 plaintext http login though, - i wish my buddy was here with his 800 so i could tcpdump the router :O Mar 20 18:35:12 It's in apt, so it's not like the source is difficult to locate. Mar 20 18:36:09 keesj, GeneralAntilles Jaffa qole tim, congrats! Mar 20 18:36:26 Right back at yah. Mar 20 18:37:11 we need a virtual qole and tim in irc, even if they never visit, if someone posts a comment regarding them they should see it Mar 20 18:37:40 keesj, btw, you live in Amsterdam right ? Mar 20 18:37:46 Attach an IRC bot to a printer and a paper ball cannon? I like it! Mar 20 18:37:50 Yes, in amsterdam Mar 20 18:37:50 maybe a tweak to the mariusbot to listen for mentions of the current council nicks and adds them to a small history page Mar 20 18:37:59 Ah, another victim to help with the next summit venue :P Mar 20 18:38:13 evening VDVsx Mar 20 18:38:45 lcuk, lo Mar 20 18:38:54 why does it still take as long nowadays to format a hard drive as it used to 10 years ago Mar 20 18:39:32 lcuk, things got faster, but drives got bigger and filesystems more complicated. Mar 20 18:39:57 hard drives lag behind most other tech though \@/ Mar 20 18:40:17 lcuk: we don't have More^2 law so the dist speed and size kinda grow together perhaps. but clearly you must be formating a old kind of file system :p Mar 20 18:40:37 first format on a brand new drive :) and yes, ntfs lol Mar 20 18:41:08 Ah, right, Windows. Mar 20 18:41:16 * GeneralAntilles slaps lcuk with his paper-launching bot. Mar 20 18:41:34 * lcuk connects you to his ad-hoc Mar 20 18:41:52 lcuk: what did you get? Mar 20 18:42:07 someone in another channel was getting a 512GB 2.5" 7200rpm drive Mar 20 18:42:17 just a new one cos my old pata packed up (im convinced it was a dodgy pata-sata converter) Mar 20 18:42:19 I'm still stuck with a 30G that came with the laptop Mar 20 18:42:32 3.5 desthstar 500gb Mar 20 18:42:37 death Mar 20 18:42:38 WD? Mar 20 18:42:43 wanna die Mar 20 18:43:47 * lcuk still has to work out a way to see if the data can come off it Mar 20 18:43:59 ive filled up the sata connectors ive got available now Mar 20 18:45:04 * GeneralAntilles just got a 750GB Mar 20 18:45:20 geebus Mar 20 18:45:23 show off Mar 20 18:45:34 and when that fails, you'll lose 3/4 of a terrabyte! Mar 20 18:45:41 Hehe, well, now it's only marginally less like packing a dozen clowns into a Beetle. Mar 20 18:45:49 fireun, I know, right? Mar 20 18:45:50 think of all the porn you'll have to find again Mar 20 18:45:50 mind you, this 500 takes me to 1.6 Mar 20 18:45:55 Drives are getting too damn big. Mar 20 18:46:00 It's messing with my head. Mar 20 18:46:02 now go do daily backups Mar 20 18:46:03 backing them up is a big problem Mar 20 18:46:10 i only backup my code nowadays Mar 20 18:46:16 i used to put movies and stuff Mar 20 18:46:29 * GeneralAntilles remembers when a 75MB made his year. Mar 20 18:46:33 which is the max size in the market for a 2.5 driver nowdays ? Mar 20 18:46:37 ds3, hourly. Mar 20 18:46:54 driver? Mar 20 18:46:55 *drive Mar 20 18:47:02 512 from what I saw yesterday Mar 20 18:47:03 what capacity was the first hard drive ppl got and how much was it? Mar 20 18:47:13 new netapp product... filer + 2.5" drive in a 3.5" case :D Mar 20 18:47:24 s/product/idea/ Mar 20 18:47:24 ds3 meant: new netapp idea... filer + 2.5" drive in a 3.5" case :D Mar 20 18:47:45 lcuk, IBM had something in the 50s that was about 4MB Mar 20 18:47:58 but you didnt cos you are still a PFY Mar 20 18:48:18 you werent even a twinkle in the travelling salesmans eye when they were out Mar 20 18:48:36 Probably this thing: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ST-506 Mar 20 18:48:55 i had a quantum fireball 245MB for my amiga!! cost about £260 Mar 20 18:49:14 i drive past the building where i got it from every day :) Mar 20 18:51:32 <||cw> first I actually bought was a 800MB, which failed in less than a month so they gave me a 1GB Mar 20 18:51:39 lcuk: just to remember it ? Mar 20 18:51:42 <||cw> that was included in a system though Mar 20 18:51:47 or do you really need to pass by it ? Mar 20 18:51:49 eheheh Mar 20 18:51:53 lol no, i work about 200metres from it Mar 20 18:51:58 :P Mar 20 18:51:58 <||cw> I had a 10MB given to me though, in a XT Mar 20 18:52:18 <||cw> 1/2 height 5.25" MFM disk Mar 20 18:53:15 i once had a plan to double the capacity of floppy disks by removing the mfm encoding - "cos everything is written twice" Mar 20 18:53:16 <||cw> my fav was a 40MB SCSI disk that if you didn't run a head park util before powering off would corrupt the partition table Mar 20 18:53:41 <||cw> was hella fast though Mar 20 18:54:07 you could shut them down couldnt you, but if you moved it then you were screwed Mar 20 18:54:19 <||cw> had a 16MB ram card in a 386, ran win 3.11 with no swap file and could run anything I wanted no problems Mar 20 18:54:27 thats hot! Mar 20 18:54:38 i bet your mates were mega-jealous :D Mar 20 18:54:42 <||cw> this one would corrupt the partition table if you shut it off without parking, not sure why Mar 20 18:55:04 sounds cargo cultish and a big enough warning to make sure you never tried it Mar 20 18:55:15 cos it wouldnt park in a powercut Mar 20 18:56:01 <||cw> I suspect that it wasn't parking correctly and was hovering on the partition table, the park util somehow forced it to flush and park Mar 20 18:56:10 yeah agreed Mar 20 18:56:26 <||cw> only had a sinlge partition on it, so fixing it was no big deal, just anoying Mar 20 18:56:38 * fireun never uses single partitions Mar 20 18:56:54 <||cw> ran IBM PC-DOS 7 on it too, was sweet Mar 20 18:57:04 the head on my quantum used to get stuck and if i ever moved the amiga properly i would have to bang the back of it to get it moving again Mar 20 18:57:12 <||cw> heh Mar 20 18:57:59 <||cw> I had a 32MB mfm with a scratch, I figured out that if I partitioned it just right, the scratch was between the partitions and it worked fine, only lost 1MB of space Mar 20 18:58:23 heh, you shouldv just got a bitmap editor and marked a whole swath as bad ;) Mar 20 18:58:27 <||cw> man I had some crap PC's back int eh day Mar 20 18:58:41 <||cw> on mfm disks? did they even support that? Mar 20 18:58:52 my gateway was sweet Mar 20 18:58:53 the innards mightv been crap, but old pcs were built externally to last Mar 20 18:59:19 yeah - all drives support a bitmap for bad allocation areas Mar 20 18:59:24 <||cw> these were all hand-me-downs, the 386 I had in 1995 Mar 20 18:59:38 i remember cases being so heavy i could barely pick em up Mar 20 18:59:47 you were smaller then I bet Mar 20 19:00:06 lol compared to my amiga they were "serious business" Mar 20 19:01:12 I booted CPM yo Mar 20 19:01:18 l33t Mar 20 19:02:16 i recall some of the first c code i read and tried to decypher were for cpm, there was a compiler and some other stuff :) never got to run it though Mar 20 19:03:01 53% complete Mar 20 19:03:09 nothing like having a computer with a "run" button Mar 20 19:03:15 ah, the good ol days Mar 20 19:03:41 turbo buttons need to come back for nokias Mar 20 19:03:47 haha Mar 20 19:03:47 switch between ondemand and performance (H) Mar 20 19:04:08 with a little led display showing the mhz Mar 20 19:04:32 OLED nowadays ;) Mar 20 19:04:46 and using custom glyphs for l33tness Mar 20 19:05:02 mmm, glyphs Mar 20 19:05:18 the aztec/inca/myan really were ahead of the curve Mar 20 19:05:51 best comment ever on slashdot: http://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1150637&cid=27081501 Mar 20 19:07:24 i think i better get some opertons before they are no longer available :-\ Mar 20 19:33:43 aloisiojr, depois eu cai Mar 20 19:33:54 aloisiojr, mostra ai o teu nira.conf Mar 20 19:34:10 re Mar 20 19:34:49 sorry Mar 20 19:42:41 ok, without a Diablo-blessed apt.conf Mar 20 19:43:01 we're going to try using a mirror, to try and dselect-upgrade 2008HE to diablo Mar 20 19:53:42 * lcuk hits LinuxCode on the head with a broken harddrive Mar 20 19:53:49 * LinuxCode dies Mar 20 19:53:58 allo ;-} Mar 20 19:54:13 hi there lc, hows tricks Mar 20 19:54:27 * lcuk gives u a beer to revive u Mar 20 19:54:34 Im having xen issues Mar 20 19:54:46 you tried the lotus position? Mar 20 19:54:47 lcuk, you ever used xen ? Mar 20 19:54:52 nope Mar 20 19:54:55 k Mar 20 19:55:04 * LinuxCode takes the harddrive and kills himself Mar 20 19:55:14 lol Mar 20 19:55:29 bjv, uh, it may explode ;) Mar 20 19:55:31 or rather, it will explode Mar 20 19:57:10 AStorm: im having to do it in shifts. Mar 20 19:57:45 95% complete i want my life back Mar 20 19:58:22 LinuxCode, what issues? Mar 20 19:58:34 no way to free 11meg, so we've got to eg: update browser, delete .debs, etc. Mar 20 19:58:45 AStorm, can we take it private, considering its off-topic really Mar 20 19:58:47 ? Mar 20 19:59:01 no Mar 20 19:59:07 fully public its not offtopic Mar 20 19:59:09 * LinuxCode nudges lcuk Mar 20 19:59:21 beer Mar 20 19:59:24 LinuxCode, yeah Mar 20 19:59:25 lol Mar 20 20:33:05 Hello there) Mar 20 20:33:40 Hey, wazd. Mar 20 20:34:01 I've finaly done all my routine work so I can spend weekend on maemo stuff :) Mar 20 20:41:51 Jaffa, ping? Mar 20 20:45:33 GeneralAntilles, you should have something like a bat-signal Mar 20 20:45:53 your council tablets should start glowing Mar 20 20:46:03 "quick, its the bat-phone" Mar 20 20:46:07 Neck tasers Mar 20 20:46:13 heh Mar 20 20:46:25 * lcuk boogies to katy perry Mar 20 20:51:27 Jaffa, I know you're there somewhere. :P Mar 20 20:51:29 GeneralAntilles, you need to sign in as mentor too, in order to access and rank the students proposals :P Mar 20 20:51:40 VDVsx, did I get an email for that? Mar 20 20:51:47 yup Mar 20 20:51:50 gmail Mar 20 20:51:54 * GeneralAntilles 's inbox is full of Maemo spam. Mar 20 20:51:55 Subject? Mar 20 20:52:14 GeneralAntilles, maemo @GSoC Mar 20 20:52:17 ... Mar 20 20:52:35 I think I read that one, but didn Mar 20 20:52:41 't notice instructions Mar 20 20:52:43 VDVsx, do i need to be marked as a mentor as well Mar 20 20:52:46 I'll look again Mar 20 20:52:59 GAN800, I sent it today Mar 20 20:53:06 lcuk, yes Mar 20 20:53:24 lcuk, I will send instr in pm Mar 20 20:53:35 errr email is better right now Mar 20 20:53:45 liquid@gmail.com Mar 20 20:53:51 im not on final machine Mar 20 20:53:53 lcuk, oki Mar 20 20:54:43 VDVsx, ah, I see it. It's hiding between a council thread and another council thread. :P Mar 20 20:54:51 VDVsx, heheh Mar 20 20:55:30 lcuk, sent Mar 20 20:56:07 lcuk, add your info here too: http://wiki.maemo.org/GSoC_2009/Mentors#Mentors Mar 20 20:58:04 midgard in the builder? Mar 20 20:58:05 Interesting Mar 20 20:58:15 * lcuk kicks his horrid machine Mar 20 20:58:18 ok vdv done :) Mar 20 20:58:42 GeneralAntilles, wtf, lol Mar 20 20:59:36 VDVsx, uploaded by root. Mar 20 21:00:19 GeneralAntilles, you should receive a system notification now, in order to complete your profile Mar 20 21:02:01 VDVsx, done. Mar 20 21:02:17 GeneralAntilles, thanks Mar 20 21:05:44 good afternoon Mar 20 21:07:20 Is it worth archiving the former council's wiki page? Mar 20 21:08:24 its already archived if its in the wiki Mar 20 21:08:39 could do with a roll of honours though Mar 20 21:08:48 with current and previous members and their contributions :) Mar 20 21:08:50 Sure, but there's no way to mark a particular edit, though. Mar 20 21:09:41 * lcuk kicks his computer some more Mar 20 21:11:13 why are you kicking your computer? Mar 20 21:11:41 hard drive finally died Mar 20 21:12:00 so i got a new one and its taking forever to get back to normal so i can rebuild everything and actually put my computer back together Mar 20 21:12:03 finally? did it linger for months on end with errors? Mar 20 21:12:42 its a pata drive with a sata connector, it originally died a couple of months ago, just gave up. so i disconnected it and left it for a few days Mar 20 21:12:53 and out of curiosity plugged it back in Mar 20 21:13:04 it worked again for a couple of weeks.. Mar 20 21:13:13 (nothing essential on it) Mar 20 21:13:26 it died again last night.. Mar 20 21:13:49 you should have replaced it once it started to die ;) Mar 20 21:13:56 i DID buy a new drive Mar 20 21:13:59 and taken a hammer to it Mar 20 21:14:03 but plugging it in worked right there Mar 20 21:14:06 so it wouldn't sit there lingering haha Mar 20 21:14:10 so tracy got a new drive for her sims machine Mar 20 21:14:16 sims hahaha Mar 20 21:14:58 i usually have drives just lying around.. i swear i have a drawer of them Mar 20 21:15:08 yeah i do, but none with the capacity of this Mar 20 21:15:21 what was it? 750G? Mar 20 21:15:31 1.5TB? :) Mar 20 21:15:32 no, only 250 but it was the first 250 i got Mar 20 21:15:49 most of the drives sitting are 80 and 120s Mar 20 21:15:59 heh Mar 20 21:16:08 i need to get hotswap bays for my server Mar 20 21:16:31 sata is hotswp isnt it Mar 20 21:16:37 and i still need to get a passive video card since newegg was gay and sent me the wrong card Mar 20 21:16:49 underclock and remove the fan Mar 20 21:17:02 lcuk: already sent it back Mar 20 21:17:02 or add a resistor Mar 20 21:17:15 and waited a week and they still hadn't sent it out yet Mar 20 21:17:23 ouch, dont like mailorder Mar 20 21:17:38 thankfully around manchester theres plenty of hardware shops Mar 20 21:17:40 lcuk: usually they are very good but i still haven't gotten a refund or replacement Mar 20 21:17:44 competition is good for prices as well Mar 20 21:18:02 and it's been over 2 weeks.. so now i've totally gotten pissed and told them to close my account and that i want my money back and will never order anything from them again Mar 20 21:18:15 wtf... i have to wait 2 weeks for a refund or replacement because of their mistake? Mar 20 21:18:38 what makes it even worse is they received the card over a week ago Mar 20 21:18:40 hell yeah Mar 20 21:18:55 it takes that long for them to check it and send my replacement or give me my refund? Mar 20 21:19:14 * lcuk wishes irc had tags Mar 20 21:19:40 that is shit of them Mar 20 21:27:15 heh Mar 20 21:27:36 it is..... i just talked to their live chat and he said that my information can not be deleted from their server Mar 20 21:27:56 uhm... yeah.. that made no sense... you can just as easily pull my infromation up.. there isn't a delete button ? Mar 20 21:28:00 lol Mar 20 21:28:26 there is a frys pretty close to here.. i think i will just drive there from now on :) i love frys Mar 20 21:31:33 GeneralAntilles: pong Mar 20 21:31:35 lcuk: ta Mar 20 21:31:55 Jaffa, just wondering about the Council wiki page Mar 20 21:32:07 whether it's worth archiving the whole thing at the end of a council's term. Mar 20 21:32:48 It's got history in the wiki. Mar 20 21:33:16 Having a section of previous council members (i.e. one section per term) makes sense, I think; but - certainly with the current content - evolution seems best. Mar 20 21:33:48 * Jaffa prefers the idea of a UK-style civil service continuing traditions and procedures as much as possible, rather than US-style "let's redo the whole administration from top to bottom" approach ;-) Mar 20 21:34:15 +1 jaffa, look at [21:08] Mar 20 21:34:42 lcuk++ Mar 20 21:35:30 Jaffa: those are largely dictated by the power structure -- since we have a council, and no Pres (or equivalent), it's likely to work out that way. Mar 20 21:36:16 Except in the unlikely case where no or few incumbents remain in office -- probably indicating something _did_ need redone. ;) Mar 20 21:36:23 * lcuk offers everyone a penguin (the chocolate kind) Mar 20 21:37:02 benson a political coup! Mar 20 21:37:43 lcuk: exactly Mar 20 21:38:11 * benson is secretly planning a coup, that's why he hasn't run for council. Mar 20 21:38:28 * lcuk offers you a coup of cocoa Mar 20 21:38:38 (They're much more pleasant for the incoming than the outgoing, or so I hear.) Mar 20 21:39:31 * Jaffa sends an email to the secret council-hitsquad@maemo.org mailing address to ensure lcuk gets home "safely" Mar 20 21:40:03 you didnt mail them ealier and tell em to break my drive did you? Mar 20 21:40:32 when do the council costumes arrive by the way Mar 20 21:40:39 i heard there was a problem with the spandex Mar 20 21:41:25 THAT has to become a forum topic Mar 20 21:41:47 ok, my screen isn't rotating atm. Mar 20 21:42:01 i am so fucked if my n800 dies. Mar 20 21:42:37 s/rotating/scrolling vertically Mar 20 21:43:24 it did it for 4 hrs Mar 20 21:43:26 lcuk: That's the council's M.O. now? If your belly hangs out, you just blame the spandex? They should move on to _real_ politics! Mar 20 21:43:48 stupid bt headset is refusing to work :( Mar 20 21:43:58 They've obviously got the necessary skill set. Mar 20 21:44:36 any ideas? Mar 20 21:44:48 Ah, damn, lcuk, I wish I had moderator permissions so I could abuse them. :P Mar 20 21:44:51 benson: I'm an IT consultant. Bullshit's my middle name ;-) Mar 20 21:45:00 hello Mar 20 21:45:02 luke-jr, batteries connection switched on enabled running audio ... Mar 20 21:45:05 bullshit, shit, it :D Mar 20 21:45:11 Luke-Jr2: FM radio? Mar 20 21:45:17 ???? Mar 20 21:45:40 N810 Mar 20 21:45:43 does it have batteries, is it switched on, is it connected, are you runniing audio Mar 20 21:45:52 If you use FM radio, it bludgeons the sound output control, and won't let it do HSP. Mar 20 21:45:54 WEP200 Mar 20 21:46:09 Jaffa, i think it's impressive people are imagniing up The Mer Foundation.. Mar 20 21:46:12 lcuk it thinks it is idle Mar 20 21:46:23 blue blink evry 3 sec Mar 20 21:46:45 reboot both as simplest quickest attempt.. Mar 20 21:46:48 (It probably does it on the N810, too, but I presume you haven't installed it...) Mar 20 21:46:49 benson there is no FM Mar 20 21:47:05 lcuk how to reboot WEP200? Mar 20 21:47:18 turn it off and back on again.. Mar 20 21:47:49 It's the FM software, not thwe hardware, but if you didn't install it, you're cool there. Mar 20 21:48:15 luke-jr2 does it normally work Mar 20 21:48:26 * benson still makes astonishingly many typos when typing lkefthanded and eating the rest of my pizza... Mar 20 21:48:41 So much pizza Mar 20 21:48:57 same pizza as earlier? Mar 20 21:49:17 Pizza: next best thing to a seat on the maemo.org council Mar 20 21:49:21 StsN800: Very cool, yes. Mar 20 21:49:22 But that reminds me, I need food. Mar 20 21:49:23 lcuk: yep, Mar 20 21:49:33 0.625 pizza = breakfast Mar 20 21:49:42 0.375 pizza = supper. Mar 20 21:50:16 Damn, all I've got left are sandwich ingredients. Mar 20 21:50:16 * benson thinks he might need another meal right after supper. Mar 20 21:50:36 * lbt just had pancakes Mar 20 21:50:59 beer and penguins for my tea Mar 20 21:51:00 GeneralAntilles: OK, so maybe pizza's _better_ than a council seat. Mar 20 21:51:24 * lbt enjoyed his pancackes with lemon juice and sugar... so easy to make ... you could go and make your own right now you know.... Mar 20 21:51:39 i can make many things Mar 20 21:51:43 Justify your failings however you please, benson. :P Mar 20 21:51:59 but after the week ive had i need to at least try to wind down :) Mar 20 21:52:00 Mmm, an evening Village Inn run does sound good. . . . Mar 20 21:54:08 bye for now Mar 20 21:54:33 i think wep200 is crashed Mar 20 21:57:39 * qwerty12_N800 immediately, for his own sanity, restores the old FBReader icons. Mar 20 22:01:35 Hehe Mar 20 22:01:41 What _were_ they thinking? Mar 20 22:04:04 * romullo is away: testing away message :) Mar 20 22:04:49 * romullo is away: testing away message :) Mar 20 22:12:24 rebooted N810 Mar 20 22:12:35 problem persists Mar 20 22:13:06 wep200 refuses to turn off even Mar 20 22:16:55 lcuk rebooted N810 Mar 20 22:16:56 wep200 refuses to turn off even Mar 20 22:17:39 Luke-Jr2: Get a bigger hammer. Mar 20 22:18:09 More seriously, can you pull the battery? Mar 20 22:20:30 does the N800 have a builtin mic? Mar 20 22:20:55 At the top Mar 20 22:21:07 ta :) Mar 20 22:29:47 Jaffa, how serious are you Mar 20 22:30:18 Have you even known Jaffa to kid? Mar 20 22:31:15 benson, no battery removable Mar 20 22:49:51 evening woglinde Mar 20 22:53:06 hi stskeeps Mar 20 23:00:35 Is the nokia "Internet Call software" removed in fremantle? Mar 20 23:00:51 no clue, we haven't seen any of the apps yet Mar 20 23:00:55 lbt, your guess is as good as anybody's. Mar 20 23:01:16 saw a comment that they were "stopping support" Mar 20 23:01:25 and just wondered if I'd missed anything Mar 20 23:01:35 Did somebody setup a cronjob to spam the builder with midgard? Mar 20 23:01:45 (since it's clearly not been removed) Mar 20 23:03:04 upgrade me! upgrade me! Mar 20 23:03:32 hi qwerty Mar 20 23:03:40 hey woglinde Mar 20 23:03:50 * lcuk pokes woglinde Mar 20 23:05:05 jo lcuk Mar 20 23:05:31 hm I bought me a 4-core phenom2 Mar 20 23:05:46 after nearly 6 six years Mar 20 23:05:51 using an athlon Mar 20 23:06:11 and is it the dogs bollocks? Mar 20 23:06:17 make -j4 Mar 20 23:06:22 lbt yes Mar 20 23:06:29 for oe its nice Mar 20 23:06:35 * lbt only gets to do make -j3 Mar 20 23:07:36 lcuk: within bounds of decency (i.e. dressing up as Apollo or something is out), but anything which might get me more beer is fine. And I said *some*, i.e. a period of time >0s ;-) Mar 20 23:07:46 how do you find it day to day (linux desktop I assume?) Mar 20 23:08:16 heh thats the spirit Mar 20 23:08:42 http://linuxdevices.com/news/NS3386655708.html <- rzr's qemu-nitdroid Mar 20 23:09:05 * qwerty12_N800 hits the cancel button on his post for 'gimp suit' Mar 20 23:09:07 lemme see Mar 20 23:09:13 and QWERTY-12 mention.. ;) Mar 20 23:09:21 Stskeeps: i tested mer Mar 20 23:09:35 i but didnt not manage to boot it Mar 20 23:09:46 i'll have to investigate Mar 20 23:09:54 but i am short on time Mar 20 23:09:57 yeah, it's a bit awkward Mar 20 23:10:09 nitdroid is easier as it has it's own kernel and such Mar 20 23:11:19 grab the zImage and the jffs2, might work .P Mar 20 23:12:15 Erg Mar 20 23:12:25 Second to last paragraph in that article is . . . wrong. Mar 20 23:13:37 that one is wrong too : as demonstrated in the video (see image at top), Coval was able to use his NITdroid-emulator code with Qemu, to boot and run Maemo and then run the latest release of NITdroid Mar 20 23:15:04 Stskeeps: i should hire thoses guys to make my resume Mar 20 23:15:29 Stskeeps: why did they put my name everywhere ? i did nothing Mar 20 23:19:01 hm. i need a good show to watch Mar 20 23:19:09 hahahahahaha @ the pic on the costume thread Mar 20 23:19:37 Macer, 30 Rock? :P Mar 20 23:23:19 30 rock? Mar 20 23:23:34 http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0496424/ Mar 20 23:23:35 Second to last paragraph in that article is . . . wrong. Mar 20 23:23:50 can we fix it ? Mar 20 23:24:01 rzr, I just fired off a correction. Mar 20 23:24:08 ok Mar 20 23:24:08 They'll probably fix it in a day or two. Mar 20 23:24:23 i am updating on my page, Mar 20 23:24:25 can you cc me Mar 20 23:24:33 rzr @ gna . org Mar 20 23:27:33 update section @ http://www.newlc.com/en/eeedroid-emulator-nokia-tablet-desktop-ready-test-android Mar 20 23:35:38 rzr, they're correcting. Mar 20 23:35:54 great Mar 20 23:36:05 i'd like they to remove my name too Mar 20 23:36:25 well i'll email them in case Mar 20 23:36:37 did you cc'ed your correction ? Mar 20 23:37:08 I forwarded it to you. Mar 20 23:37:11 ok Mar 20 23:37:28 they did this the day we upgraded the server :) Mar 20 23:41:11 hm. gentoo seems to act funny in fbsd Mar 21 00:19:25 hm Mar 21 00:20:58 ciao a tutti Mar 21 00:21:02 !list Mar 21 00:21:08 help Mar 21 00:21:15 ma non risponde nessuno Mar 21 00:34:06 uh huh Mar 21 01:12:04 this is rich.. someone just e-mailed me asking what to do with this error message: you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem. Mar 21 01:12:14 i said the answer is in the question Mar 21 01:12:43 heh Mar 21 01:12:55 yeah seriously, not a trick question :) Mar 21 01:19:26 hello all Mar 21 01:26:05 sorry, my gnome flaked out :P Mar 21 01:26:27 is it possible to run openwrt on an n810? Mar 21 01:28:09 or install openwrt packages? Mar 21 01:28:27 * xnt wants to run this http://www.hak5.org/episodes/episode-505 Mar 21 01:29:00 one problem, no lan/wan ports :( Mar 21 01:29:30 why use the n810 then? Mar 21 01:30:10 just had the idea Mar 21 01:30:20 how about this http://www.digininja.org/jasager/ Mar 21 01:30:20 sounds like an awful amount of hacking to get this somehow working. Mar 21 01:30:22 xnt, no master mode. Mar 21 01:30:55 ok if vmware releases vmware for the n8x0 , then maybe we can run it in a vm? Mar 21 01:31:08 uhm. Mar 21 01:31:11 mastermode=ap mode right? Mar 21 01:31:36 xnt: really, the easiest way is to just order a fon router. Mar 21 01:32:00 umm, ok Mar 21 01:32:24 ... and is there a vmware for ARM processors? Mar 21 01:32:38 btw hak5 had a segment on the 770 before, and referenced itt :) Mar 21 01:32:44 b-man: hi! Mar 21 01:32:52 hay, xnt :D Mar 21 01:33:12 nomis: http://i.gizmodo.com/5160685/vmware-for-mobile-devices-lets-you-run-windows-and-android-simultaneously Mar 21 01:33:21 :P Mar 21 01:33:31 hehe Mar 21 01:33:46 b-man: did you watch the latest hak5? http://www.hak5.org/episodes/episode-505 ? Mar 21 01:34:09 I am never accepting plushes with ethernet ports :P Mar 21 01:34:35 heh Mar 21 01:35:19 xnt: yes :)) Mar 21 01:35:25 :) Mar 21 01:35:37 that mvp hypervisor stuff sounds like serious crack. Mar 21 01:36:13 nomis: :P Mar 21 01:37:06 * b-man is writting the new guide for ubuntu-n8x0 2.2 for tomorrow's release :) Mar 21 01:37:32 b-man: is ubuntu-desktop working? Mar 21 01:38:08 * xnt still hasn't gotten his n810 back :( Mar 21 01:38:11 xnt: i'm not shure yet, i haven't tested it yet Mar 21 01:38:18 ok :) Mar 21 01:38:20 xnt: :( Mar 21 01:38:24 :( Mar 21 01:38:43 when will you be getting it back? Mar 21 01:39:34 I don't know :( either my parents pick it up or I wait until the end of the year :( Mar 21 01:39:55 ouch >.< Mar 21 01:40:15 * xnt can't live without his nit for more than a month :( Mar 21 01:40:22 jk, but ill get bored Mar 21 01:40:49 today I went to school with only my blackberry, It was boring. Mar 21 01:41:30 but My tech teacher had a spare AMD Duron 512MB ram 40GB machine, and I installed ubuntu on it :D Mar 21 01:41:43 sweet! Mar 21 01:41:45 1.2GHz Mar 21 01:41:55 nice Mar 21 01:42:05 so now im setting up webmin, and apache (web ssh) Mar 21 01:42:15 heh Mar 21 01:42:24 well ill set it up tuesday, no school monday Mar 21 01:42:46 * xnt is learning ruby on rails Mar 21 01:43:42 oh and I got a nice web dev tut from net.tutsplus.com , my school tech final site http://sp.xceleo.com/tplte/demo.html Mar 21 01:43:50 xnt: i saw that, you said that on irc sometime this morning :) Mar 21 01:43:50 * b-man was browsing irc logs Mar 21 01:43:57 :P Mar 21 01:44:00 lol Mar 21 01:44:12 im still working on it :P Mar 21 01:45:00 xnt: nice Mar 21 01:45:07 I got that hack to learn thing off of some forum Mar 21 01:45:15 I think hak.5 Mar 21 01:45:28 I need a better slogan Mar 21 01:45:48 * b-man has tryed to learn ruby but got lazy :P Mar 21 01:46:14 :P Mar 21 01:46:57 i use bash and python :) Mar 21 01:46:58 * xnt is ruby available for the nit? Mar 21 01:47:04 yes Mar 21 01:47:10 ok :P Mar 21 01:47:57 * xnt tried to learn python but got lazy (7th grade) Mar 21 01:48:16 lol Mar 21 01:49:01 I spent most of the 7th grade installing firefox and nexuiz on the school computers :P Mar 21 01:49:16 only to have the admins remove it :P Mar 21 01:49:55 now we have deep freeze :(, so at every logout/login the fs is restored Mar 21 01:50:17 * b-man has the same thing Mar 21 01:50:21 * b-man notices that d-bus is screwing up on his tablet - i'll be back in a sec Mar 21 01:50:28 *rebooting Mar 21 01:53:58 i'll be back online in 15 minutes - going to a coffie shop :) Mar 21 01:54:07 our server uses novell netware, its unix-based (I think) Mar 21 01:54:20 oh ok never mind :P Mar 21 01:54:32 * xnt is bored again Mar 21 01:56:15 * Proteous hands xnt a shiny object Mar 21 02:02:45 i'm back :) Mar 21 02:09:30 quick reboot Mar 21 02:11:25 firun: i had to reboot and Mar 21 02:11:55 * b-man hates hildon-input-method Mar 21 02:13:15 * xnt has died of boredom Mar 21 02:13:24 lol Mar 21 02:13:29 X_X Mar 21 02:13:32 :P jk Mar 21 02:13:52 go on youtube XD Mar 21 02:13:55 repost: b-man: our server uses novell netware, its unix-based (I think) Mar 21 02:14:24 * b-man 's school uses novell too Mar 21 02:14:50 b-man: we have novell ZENworks, Novell Groupwise, Deepfreeze, And Vision Mar 21 02:16:03 * b-man thinks that we have blocker software for just about everything XP Mar 21 02:16:37 * xnt always uses the admin computer (admin has his own little office) in the 2nd tech lab, which has vision,and screws aroud with students all over the district, and It also runs with admin privileges :P Mar 21 02:16:47 you can't even log out or change the start menu - only shutdown/restart Mar 21 02:17:09 xnt: hehe Mar 21 02:18:27 * b-man has a lab at his school that is full of high-end gaming computers XD Mar 21 02:18:34 :P, than your IT is more retarded than mine :P, we can't right click, don't have explorer, no shutdown(power button suspends) no exe's Mar 21 02:18:45 * xnt is jealous Mar 21 02:19:24 it's only for upper-classmen though :P Mar 21 02:19:32 we have a dell optiplex gx270s in the newer labs, and optiplex 265s in all the other rooms Mar 21 02:19:39 * -a Mar 21 02:20:19 b-man: do you have any programming classes? Mar 21 02:20:20 * b-man also has a lab full of macs :) Mar 21 02:20:30 * xnt is Really jealous Mar 21 02:20:41 * xnt where is your school Mar 21 02:20:51 yes, but it's for 11th and 12th grade only Mar 21 02:20:53 I mean b-man: where is your school Mar 21 02:21:07 Perrysburg, ohio Mar 21 02:21:15 oh ok, Mar 21 02:21:30 * xnt thinks of moving to ohio next year :P Mar 21 02:21:59 and that other comment was about your programming class question Mar 21 02:22:15 so you learn obj-c? Mar 21 02:22:24 oh ok nvm Mar 21 02:22:49 b-man: how do the students run the programs? Mar 21 02:23:15 thay have a seprate network Mar 21 02:23:15 I wonder how much studios pay to troll places like YouTube to find things to send takedown notices for. Mar 21 02:23:16 * xnt thinks that giving students admin privileges is a bad idea :P Mar 21 02:23:29 lol Mar 21 02:23:44 * b-man gose to a school called PENTA btw - google it ;) Mar 21 02:23:55 I remember a school where everyone had admin Mar 21 02:24:17 heh Mar 21 02:24:50 was a total disaster, computers were full of popup virus's Mar 21 02:25:01 lol XD Mar 21 02:26:08 xnt: what do you mean by obj-c btw? Mar 21 02:26:11 just wondering Mar 21 02:26:43 objective-c: the iphone/mac programing language Mar 21 02:27:00 oh Mar 21 02:27:36 http://xceleo.com/penta-screenshot.png :P, I could just copy the source :P Mar 21 02:28:17 yes, that's it! XD Mar 21 02:28:22 lol :P Mar 21 02:28:40 yeah - crappy website :P Mar 21 02:29:48 MY schools site is even crappier Mar 21 02:31:24 hehe Mar 21 02:31:28 * b-man acctually goes to two schools - Bowling Green High, and penta **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Mar 21 02:59:57 2009