**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Mar 23 02:59:57 2009 Mar 23 03:06:03 i'm back :) Mar 23 03:30:15 I'm getting `usb_bulk_write: Resource temporarily unavailable' when trying to reflash my n810. Anyone have any ideas/suggestions? Mar 23 03:54:44 JackaLX: what you using to reflash? whats the line Mar 23 03:55:56 ./flasher-3.0 -F image -f -R Mar 23 03:56:23 are you running as root? Mar 23 03:56:29 yes Mar 23 03:56:41 the nokia has the usb logo when reflashing? Mar 23 03:56:48 yes Mar 23 03:57:15 it sends the xloader ok, and dies on secondary image with 0 bytes sent Mar 23 03:57:26 try other usb slot? Mar 23 03:57:33 yes Mar 23 03:57:57 is maemo installed fine? Mar 23 03:58:08 it was :-) Mar 23 03:58:15 lol Mar 23 03:58:23 im thinking you could of tried fiasco-flasher Mar 23 03:58:39 it won't boot :-( Mar 23 03:59:04 so do initfs? Mar 23 03:59:08 not whole image Mar 23 03:59:55 linux? Mar 23 03:59:59 I'll give it a try... what flasher opts do I need for that --flash-only initfs? anything else Mar 23 04:00:00 yes Mar 23 04:00:21 --flash-only=initfs Mar 23 04:00:31 it would redo "bootloader" Mar 23 04:00:36 ok Mar 23 04:00:53 otherwise you would have to redownload/reinstall shit if you do whole image ;p Mar 23 04:01:48 JackaLX: did you try taking out battery for a few seconds Mar 23 04:01:53 put back in .. and try Mar 23 04:02:17 yeah... atm it's the only way to turn the pig off :-O Mar 23 04:02:35 it will auto turn off from nokia screen in like 2 min.. btw Mar 23 04:02:38 but uhh Mar 23 04:03:19 can you show me whole line Mar 23 04:03:25 counting the __$: and image name Mar 23 04:03:57 # ../tools/flasher-3.0 -F RX-44_DIABLO_5.2008.43-7_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f -R Mar 23 04:04:49 try without root Mar 23 04:05:08 mount -t usbfs usbfs /proc/bus/usb Mar 23 04:05:09 try that too Mar 23 04:05:15 that as root, of course Mar 23 04:05:28 yeah I mount that normally anyway Mar 23 04:05:34 my UPS needs it Mar 23 04:05:50 im just taking educated guesses here you know Mar 23 04:06:00 sure, that's cool Mar 23 04:06:20 try without root Mar 23 04:06:33 or if it really needs do sudo.. dont become root Mar 23 04:06:54 non-root is no good... perms. Mar 23 04:07:03 may I ask why? Mar 23 04:07:17 you did chmod +x flasher .. right? Mar 23 04:07:30 yes :-) Mar 23 04:08:02 why as sudo? Mar 23 04:08:11 run as user with root permissions, rather than run as root Mar 23 04:08:26 user specifics settings might of been an obstacle Mar 23 04:08:43 yeah I know what sudo is... I'm wondering why you want me to avoid root here Mar 23 04:08:50 BTW, sudo won't do that Mar 23 04:09:23 the processes you run via sudo run as the user you sudo to (root if you don't specify a user) Mar 23 04:09:39 then am i referring to su? Mar 23 04:09:59 same thing basically Mar 23 04:10:06 i swear one of them is just permission, not as the user Mar 23 04:10:56 crap, this bloody thing won't even power up now Mar 23 04:11:15 you can try unpacking the binary Mar 23 04:11:21 and then install the initfs.jff2 Mar 23 04:11:28 lol Mar 23 04:11:31 out of batteries? Mar 23 04:12:07 it's a little low... 2.9 volts Mar 23 04:12:36 takes alot to power on and off Mar 23 04:12:40 and battery removed Mar 23 04:12:49 had it on charge all fooking night last night Mar 23 04:13:03 why do you think they say not to turn off nokia Mar 23 04:13:10 just to leave it in sleep Mar 23 04:13:36 it'd be dead flat before I woke up Mar 23 04:13:52 do you have a memory card inserted to nokia? Mar 23 04:13:52 but I normally do leave it on all the time anyway Mar 23 04:14:00 not atm Mar 23 04:15:09 bad linux install? Mar 23 04:15:15 no Mar 23 04:15:28 have you tried a livecd or something? Mar 23 04:16:27 blah Mar 23 04:17:17 erm, no Mar 23 04:17:28 hm Mar 23 04:17:42 just try it Mar 23 04:17:48 mount it, so you dont have to redownload image Mar 23 04:17:52 chmod again and yeah Mar 23 04:57:33 'morning, qgil. Mar 23 04:59:21 hi GeneralAntilles, just read your email Mar 23 04:59:29 good call in maemo-community Mar 23 05:00:17 Probably should've started sooner, but hopefully it'll pick up steam. Mar 23 05:01:52 what do you think about this thread moves in ITt, worth doing and helping people to post in the right places? Mar 23 05:03:01 The initial reaction is probably going to be negative (itT has been a bit wild west for most of its life), but people actually being able to find what they're looking for in logical places is incredibly important. Mar 23 05:03:29 ok, good to know your opinion :) Mar 23 05:03:34 Especially with the big traffic bump we're probably going to see (RSN, right? ;)) Mar 23 05:03:49 You should also look at merging and splitting threads. Mar 23 05:03:57 it's not the most intellectually challenging task I'm doin'g these days... ;) Mar 23 05:04:10 Try the jumble. :P Mar 23 05:04:12 RSN? Mar 23 05:04:39 Real Soon Now. Sorry, fishing for hints. :P Mar 23 05:05:27 In a universal scale, everything is RSN anyways ;) Mar 23 05:05:34 Hehe Mar 23 05:06:17 splitting threads, I thought about it in some cases but the fact that I'm a Nokian might not help........ Mar 23 05:06:27 so I'm just doin' the obvious sorting Mar 23 05:07:08 Maybe prod the other mods to be on the lookout then they can do it for a while until people acclimate. Mar 23 05:08:08 Cancel issue in Alpha SDK thread, N8*0 support issue in Maemo 5 features thread... if you go for the split they would deserve someone might even be more encouraged to keep the discussion unite Mar 23 05:08:24 or maybe I'm just paranoid, but web forums are a good place for paranoia Mar 23 05:08:50 We need to start pushing to keep people on-topic. Mar 23 05:08:56 good place to avoid, like dark alleys Mar 23 05:09:16 Running rampant with the topic is fun and all, and it's alright for smaller forums, but gets a little out of hand when they start really growing. Mar 23 05:09:27 Until you end up with 1000 page threads going all over the place. Mar 23 05:12:55 agreed, but many times when that happens there is some Nokia-hot-issue involved, so this is why I won't be the one touching that Mar 23 05:13:10 those threads are seen by the rest of moderators anyway, so no need to ping them myself Mar 23 05:13:13 It's like beekeeping. ;) Mar 23 05:15:03 also, I think it's good to leave thore redirects with a 1 month life, at least now for the first weeks before we have forum descriptions and sticky topics, and people get more used to post in the right place Mar 23 05:15:27 As long as the redirects expire. Mar 23 05:15:53 I agree now they look silly... but they reflect the current "silliness" (no offense to anyone) :) Mar 23 05:17:54 One thing I've noticed about the Ubuntu forums is that google results tend to be populated by threads with either no responses or no useful responses. Mar 23 05:18:33 I wonder if it would be bad to kill threads that don't get resolved after a certain time period. Mar 23 05:20:27 GeneralAntilles: it takes enough time to follow what is living, to follow as well what is dead... Mar 23 05:22:25 Maybe it could be automated somehow, but, yeah, a fair point. Mar 23 05:23:38 Googling for answers and running across dead Ubuntu threads over and over again has gotten old, I guess. ;) Mar 23 05:32:33 w00t finished my gsoc proposal rough draft! :D Mar 23 05:51:39 GeneralAntilles: hum ... the french ubuntu community don't have so much dead thread ... Mar 23 05:52:00 Khertan, what's their strategy? Being French? :P Mar 23 05:52:14 there is two solution ... some guys use there time to answer Mar 23 05:52:30 s/there/their Mar 23 05:52:40 or some use their time to delete it Mar 23 05:53:05 ok i' ll try to see why it s like that Mar 23 05:53:23 Khertan, I suspect dead thread deletion is a good strategy. Mar 23 05:53:35 The manual overhead on it can probably be reduced, too, with a little scripting. Mar 23 05:53:37 GeneralAntilles: maybe Mar 23 05:53:49 but i see an other solution instead of deletion Mar 23 05:54:02 We could probably get the software to generate a "digest" of threads meeting the deletion criteria for mods. Mar 23 05:54:22 to push them to archive and force robot to not index it Mar 23 05:54:56 so there is no deleting .. Mar 23 05:55:16 and when people search answer with google ... no dead thread without any answer Mar 23 05:55:33 and as it s archive ... same things for the internal search engine Mar 23 05:55:56 Yeah, that'd work. Mar 23 05:56:16 Plus, since there's no deletion, it can be automated without any guilt. Mar 23 05:56:26 yep Mar 23 05:56:40 happy to help the community :) Mar 23 05:57:46 so now ... i ll run .... i ll be to late to take my train ... Mar 23 05:57:47 Just gotta remember to write this up for -community later. Mar 23 05:57:52 have a good day ... Mar 23 05:57:53 ::) Mar 23 05:57:59 Or itT, I guess. Mar 23 05:58:00 Later. Mar 23 06:37:22 * Stskeeps yawns and stretches Mar 23 06:56:22 extras-devel is getting populated (16 items now) and I can see already evident bugs e.g. libraries visible to the user and installed apps not showing any icon and needing to be booted via console Mar 23 06:56:32 (Fremantle, I mean) Mar 23 06:57:04 I wonder whether we should start pushing those apps to bugs.maemo.org, or at least show in the package info a URL or the project to file a bug Mar 23 06:57:31 qgil, I was waiting on the h-a-m categories patches to ship to start bugging maintainers again. :( Mar 23 06:58:23 andre__, timeless, jeremiah and myself have been projects to b.m.o here and there as things come up. Mar 23 06:58:43 But until we get some bugzilla updates there's a lot of manual overhead involved. Mar 23 06:59:00 quim: i'm willing to add the products Mar 23 06:59:09 But someone needs to give me a list Mar 23 06:59:18 I'm not running maemo5 :) Mar 23 06:59:22 GeneralAntilles: ok, but we could say that a package needs to state a project URL in info if it wants to ever be promoted to extras-testing Mar 23 06:59:45 now I want to file bugs and the onyl thing I see in some cases is an email of a maintaner Mar 23 06:59:55 Does Debian provide a facility for that in debs? Mar 23 06:59:55 Gan: did you post the instructions i gave you? Mar 23 07:00:05 timelE61i, yeah, they're on the wiki. Mar 23 07:00:14 Qgil: give me a list of products and i'll deal w/ them now Mar 23 07:00:15 GeneralAntilles: there's a Homepage: field in debs Mar 23 07:00:49 GeneralAntilles: don't ask me, but at least they let you add a description where a URL can be added Mar 23 07:01:00 ah, Stskeeps gave a better answer Mar 23 07:01:01 http://wiki.maemo.org/Bugs:Administration_guide Mar 23 07:02:01 My computer is killing itsewlf! Mar 23 07:02:32 timelE61i: it's monday. it's perfectly natural. Mar 23 07:02:42 i expect disasters when i sit down at my machine today. Mar 23 07:02:46 Qgil: better hold off that list until my computer reincarnates Mar 23 07:03:19 qgil, for now, emailing the maintainers is fairly effective. Mar 23 07:03:36 Qgil: i'd rather setup bugzilla Mar 23 07:03:46 That way you can walk them through using it Mar 23 07:04:01 Stskeeps, does Fremantle's h-a-m have the patches (I think I've asked before, but I don't recall the answer)? Mar 23 07:04:31 Still no Fremantle on MXR? :( Mar 23 07:04:50 GeneralAntilles: i can't tell currently, - HAM is one of the packages we didn't update yet Mar 23 07:05:42 Gan? Mar 23 07:05:59 Why doesn't repo.m.o support directory listings? Mar 23 07:06:10 timelE61i, doesn't it? Mar 23 07:06:19 timelE61i: it does in most places except for the nokia-closed stuff Mar 23 07:06:56 http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/dists/fremantle/free/Packages Mar 23 07:06:57 err Mar 23 07:07:00 http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/dists/fremantle/free Mar 23 07:07:56 Guess Fremantle Extras-devel is setup funkily Mar 23 07:08:03 qgil: so um... Mar 23 07:08:04 Well, http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/ Mar 23 07:08:11 do you want to give me a list of products in order Mar 23 07:08:20 or should i just create one for each i can find in extras-devel? Mar 23 07:08:36 gan: re mxr, i'm halfway through reincarnating the xref builder Mar 23 07:08:53 but sadly this week i have to waste the entire week writing meaningless documentation Mar 23 07:12:04 My pathetic r.m.o pre-draft if anybody feels like looking: http://www.legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/repository.maemo.org.html Mar 23 07:12:47 "Chinook eEtras" Mar 23 07:13:10 Nice Mar 23 07:15:52 i don't like it :) Mar 23 07:16:04 are you opposed to tables? :) Mar 23 07:16:24 oddly, people can easily scan tables Mar 23 07:16:30 tablets are a different matter Mar 23 07:16:30 Unless the data actually calls for it. Mar 23 07:16:38 But, what's your proposal? Mar 23 07:17:04 one column per release Mar 23 07:17:21 releases which are latest for their thing get a instead of a for the head Mar 23 07:17:27 that draws attn to the important releases Mar 23 07:17:35 alternatively relegate the older ones to a second table Mar 23 07:17:38 (probably better) Mar 23 07:17:49 then you stick the repositories as rows Mar 23 07:17:56 w/ extras as a dedicated row Mar 23 07:18:04 (and extras-devel and ...) Mar 23 07:18:44 so... is "dialcentral" really something in 5.0 extras-devel that needs a product? Mar 23 07:19:10 qgil: actually, how about this Mar 23 07:19:18 we give you a generic product for "extras-devel" Mar 23 07:19:23 It's likely to go unmaintained. Mar 23 07:19:24 you file your first bug for each product there Mar 23 07:19:31 and we hunt down assignees Mar 23 07:19:35 (mostly you, actually) Mar 23 07:19:49 when you find an assignee and have filed a bug, then someone (gan/myself) creates a product Mar 23 07:19:56 Can Extras go at the top of the page? Mar 23 07:19:59 this way products only grow when bugs are reported Mar 23 07:20:23 i'm a bit against product requirements for extras nomination, as there might be porters like qwerty12 who do general ports and it is in such a wide range that it might not fit in a single product.. how about bugs against maintainers? :P Mar 23 07:20:27 / uploaders Mar 23 07:20:47 Stskeeps, requirements? Mar 23 07:20:50 products=packages w/o versions Mar 23 07:21:01 Stskeeps: what i'm offering is that the first bug is filed in 'extras-devel' Mar 23 07:21:06 and then someone like me creates a product Mar 23 07:21:09 having seen demand Mar 23 07:21:21 GeneralAntilles: as in that if a package needs to go into extras you have to link it to a garage product? Mar 23 07:21:24 instead of someone like me creating all possible products and most of them being empty and a waste of time Mar 23 07:21:29 .. if i understand this conversation Mar 23 07:21:37 Stskeeps: oh, that's different Mar 23 07:21:42 OK, new order is: Extras repository for community applications, SDK releases, Repositories for SDKs Mar 23 07:22:07 Stskeeps, these are bugzilla products. Mar 23 07:22:17 Garage has projects, Bugzilla has products. Mar 23 07:22:38 ah, ok Mar 23 07:22:46 fair enough, i misunderstood :) Mar 23 07:23:41 Anybody want to think up a clever title? Mar 23 07:24:30 maemo.org - Repositories ? Mar 23 07:25:38 sure Mar 23 07:31:55 .installs were new in Bora, correct? Mar 23 07:54:28 http://everythingrandom.net/post/50714879/via-joy-of-tech Mar 23 08:05:44 OK, updated: http://www.legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/repository.maemo.org.html Mar 23 08:06:01 HTML's default tab length is ma-ma-ma-massive. Mar 23 08:06:35 I personally go to the pool folder than I do the dists Mar 23 08:07:05 Ignore the URLs Mar 23 08:07:14 They're mostly just copy-paste monstrosities Mar 23 08:07:17 formatting and layout for now. Mar 23 08:07:19 Ah, ok, fair enough :) Mar 23 08:08:04 Seems to work for me imo :) Mar 23 08:09:00 Extras-devel needs to go in there, too. Mar 23 08:09:07 Gonna make it a bit tall. . . . Mar 23 08:23:11 Updated again: http://www.legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/repository.maemo.org.html Mar 23 08:26:41 Looks great ;) Mar 23 08:29:28 Just need some .installs, now. Mar 23 08:30:49 ok, i officially don't understand my screen anymore :P Mar 23 08:32:52 Well, see, it's a big grid of these tiny things called pixels. . . Mar 23 08:34:36 yeah, i know that :P Mar 23 08:35:17 No wonder my web browsing experience was sucking Mar 23 08:35:22 forgot to switch back to Monaco 9 Mar 23 08:35:28 * GeneralAntilles <3 Monaco 9 Mar 23 08:58:33 Morning, all Mar 23 08:58:54 morning Jaffa Mar 23 09:07:16 Jaffa: (from my perspective) it could be interesting to have the new council determine what it's role in the Mer project is/what it ought to be - as Mer does fit under the maemo.org auspices (sp) Mar 23 09:12:07 Stskeeps: there should be a thread about this on maemo-community shorlty Mar 23 09:15:35 k Mar 23 09:20:12 Feel free to chip in thre Mar 23 09:23:22 on the one day i forget my tablet headphones there's a primary school class in bus.. Mar 23 09:27:06 haaahaaa Mar 23 09:29:48 lo yerga Mar 23 09:30:04 Morning Mar 23 09:31:48 good morning Mar 23 09:58:51 good morning! Mar 23 10:04:55 <_berto_> hi Myrtti Mar 23 10:26:22 qgil: your jaiku URL on amsterdam summit has awkward Summit in it Mar 23 10:27:15 good morning Mar 23 10:28:19 morning florian Mar 23 10:30:04 florian: you can probably utilize http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Documentation/Common_Packages#Current_package_status in the GSoC OE+Maemo idea - the packages are modified to be built in modern OS'es/build environments Mar 23 10:30:15 happiness is warm fuzzy slippers in the morning. srsly. Mar 23 10:30:30 Myrtti: but coffee comes in on a great second Mar 23 10:31:47 I read that as "spiders" for some reason. Mar 23 10:31:49 yeah, I bought a 6-cup Bialletti moka pot on Saturday, some decent fairtrade espresso roast and a thermos mug that holds the whole pot and some milk Mar 23 10:31:56 bliss Mar 23 10:37:54 Hello ! Mar 23 10:37:59 lo khertan Mar 23 10:38:14 lo Stskeeps Mar 23 10:42:11 Stskeeps: yes indeed, that would be a pretty good base. Mar 23 10:48:45 florian: from my perspective the OE stuff would be interesting for those systems we cannot reliably put a ubuntu base on, at least Mar 23 10:50:59 and we increase the portability of the hildon/maemo code Mar 23 10:51:22 Stskeeps: Yes indeed - we should try to make sure to keep things binary compatible. It shouldn't be hard to achieve - some people build packages for Maemo using OE already. Mar 23 10:52:48 Stskeeps: Portability is quite a problem currently, every single bit that improves Maemo portability will be win for it. Mar 23 12:00:24 hey Mar 23 12:00:32 Anyone here familiar w/ code analysis tools? Mar 23 12:00:53 only from theoretical pov :P Mar 23 12:01:27 timelE61i, I'm asking about another batch of t-shirts to spread around. Mar 23 12:01:35 there's a tool depends.exe (dependency walker) Mar 23 12:02:08 Which lets one find out which external functions are provided by which libraries Mar 23 12:02:21 It's kinda a cross between nm and ldd/ld Mar 23 12:03:29 I'm wondering if there's a similar tool for unix Mar 23 12:03:58 My guess is there isn't and that i'll basically have to run nm on everything and use perl/python to answer questions Mar 23 12:04:41 or use libelf Mar 23 13:20:09 apt-get bacon Mar 23 13:20:24 timelE61i: when building debian packages there is some debug info that says "needlessly depends" and seems to be based on library function analysis. Clearly something in the packaging is doing this - maybe a starter for 10.... Mar 23 13:21:58 lbt, maybe thats a difference between the makefile and the /debian contents Mar 23 13:22:41 don't think so - it's quite detailed IIRC - sounds like an analysis Mar 23 13:24:02 oooh Mar 23 13:27:38 hi Mar 23 13:29:50 hi. I just received an email from hudson.fremantle@nokia.com about a successful build of microb-engine. it was sent to me and many others. anyone know what's it about? Mar 23 13:31:58 salty_horse, at a guess its a mail telling you about a successful build of microb-engine Mar 23 13:32:28 dont take my word for it though :D Mar 23 13:33:36 it kind of looks like spam, since it was sent to 136 addresses.. some appear to be mozilla devs, and googling tells me the project is related to maemo Mar 23 13:34:10 sounds like your email got added to an autobuilder Mar 23 13:34:44 lbt, an autobuilder which lists all of its recipients in CC? :) Mar 23 13:34:52 never mind. I'll see if it happens again Mar 23 13:35:00 it's highly unlikely to be 'spam' Mar 23 13:35:05 as such Mar 23 13:35:56 salty_horse: but if it does happen again and you want help getting off the list then someone here may be able to help Mar 23 13:36:23 you're probably right. it points to a LAN ip address Mar 23 13:36:35 do you know who Hudson Fremantle is? Mar 23 13:37:41 Codename for a Fremantle autobuilder, probably. Mar 23 13:37:50 i'm sure it's not a real person. but fremantle is the name of the next software version Mar 23 13:38:12 (at least i can't find any dev with that name in the list) Mar 23 13:38:50 ah :) Mar 23 13:39:00 anyway, thanks for the help Mar 23 13:45:04 andre__: are you a libosso ossowm dbus guru? Mar 23 13:51:39 lbt, no. maybe in next life. but still i'd love to read your question though i won't be able to answer it :-P Mar 23 13:52:23 hi, i usually keep volume off but now i boot volume on, and heard linus voice? if i recall right stock diablo doesn't speak at linus voice? what caused that, virus ;) Mar 23 13:52:25 ah, I thought you were, hence the ping - question posted to maemo-dev :) Mar 23 13:52:41 or drugs Mar 23 13:53:27 hhahlo: no, just insane clone-to-SD authors Mar 23 13:53:48 hehe, cool Mar 23 13:55:23 i was really surprised :) Mar 23 13:56:06 not half as surprised at linus. waking up one morning squashed in a little nokia tablet Mar 23 14:45:22 Huh. Has the fluff about the Next Device actually calmed down finally, then? Or am I just not looking in the right places? :-) Mar 23 14:46:50 lcuk: :) Mar 23 14:49:11 ccooke: time to start new rumours! Mar 23 14:53:28 ccooke: yep, people are now excited about the sw on the next device, as a stand-in Mar 23 14:53:54 lo wazd Mar 23 14:54:21 wazd: http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/mer-ui3.png :) Mar 23 14:54:21 lardman: even that seems to have died down quite a bit. I guess the interested folk are busy porting stuff, giving the naysayers a break from things to react to ;-) Mar 23 14:54:55 ccooke: yeah, though we're all waiting really, wanting to see the finished product (both hw and sw) Mar 23 14:55:04 *nod8 Mar 23 14:55:33 It never ceases to amuse me, though, how many people get outraged about this stuff :-) Mar 23 14:56:07 what? the delay? ;) Mar 23 14:56:36 Every single little delta between the next system and the n800? ;-) Mar 23 14:57:09 well people need something to fill their time :) Mar 23 14:57:22 I guess so... Mar 23 14:57:46 I'm sure I'd be doing the same, more than I am, if I weren't pretty busy Mar 23 15:08:40 Oh, yes... I keep meaning to ask. Mar 23 15:09:47 I've not yet been able to find any reference to the stability of Mer. Is it actually ready for (semi-)general use? Mar 23 15:10:02 it's not 1.0 (day to day usable) just yet :P Mar 23 15:11:11 heh. If you're using 1.0 to mean 'usable', you might want to state that somewhere. We use hundreds of not-yet-and-likely-never-1.0 software every day :-) Mar 23 15:11:11 but it is in good development Mar 23 15:11:17 hehe Mar 23 15:12:00 (I remember when 1.0 actually *meant* something... :-) Mar 23 15:12:13 ccooke: as in you can put it on your tablet and use it without contemplating booting to maemo :P Mar 23 15:12:32 ccooke: there's a 0.9 review on lwn.net that calls it "not ready for end-users yet" Mar 23 15:12:47 (or something along those lines) Mar 23 15:12:50 Sho_: Ah ha. thanks. Mar 23 15:13:05 ccooke: http://lwn.net/Articles/322693/ Mar 23 15:13:05 ccooke: best way to see it really is to try it out - we've made huge leaps, and 0.11 will be a huge leap as well Mar 23 15:13:21 ccooke: Stuff like email, instant messenging, etc. are missing, I guess Mar 23 15:13:24 (I use my tablet too much to put a dev environment on it, unfortunately) Mar 23 15:13:42 (personally, though, I don't use email on the tablet, and prefer Pidgin for IM anyway) Mar 23 15:13:49 ccooke: me too Mar 23 15:14:00 I use the built-in IM. it does the job very well. Mar 23 15:14:09 but with some instructions about which repos to add and which packages to install it can be made usable Mar 23 15:14:14 what's more, I use it for SIP Mar 23 15:14:19 Stskeeps: Working on Mer? Kudos - nice to know my N810 will have an upgrade path Mar 23 15:14:58 I'll be buying the next device when it's out. I'll probably put Mer onto the n810 after that. Mar 23 15:15:03 moo Mar 23 15:15:08 Sho_: yeah, i guess i'm lead developer, but i think of myself of just a faciliator of the project bringing together the pre-existing efforts in the community Mar 23 15:15:09 seen X-Fade Mar 23 15:15:11 'lo jeremiah_ Mar 23 15:15:23 Hey Stskeeps, How are you? Mar 23 15:15:37 jeremiah_: i'm good, had first masters thesis meeting with my advisor today and it went fine Mar 23 15:15:49 it's nice that you feel your brain waking up and feeling intellectual again for once :P Mar 23 15:15:53 Stskeeps: Excellent, glad to hear it! Mar 23 15:15:57 Good for you. Mar 23 15:16:02 jeremiah_: ~seen you mean? Mar 23 15:16:05 Stskeeps: Nice, rock on then :-) I don't doubt my tablet will end up running Mer pretty soon Mar 23 15:16:11 BTW, you will most like be in Copenhagen? Mar 23 15:16:20 lardman: Yes, that is what I mean. :) Mar 23 15:16:27 ~seen X-Fade Mar 23 15:16:28 jeremiah_: yeah, wouldn't miss it Mar 23 15:16:38 this is where infobot is asleep Mar 23 15:16:45 Stskeeps: Excellent, I will be there too. :) Mar 23 15:16:55 x-fade is currently on #maemo (7d 12h 47s). Has said a total of 57 messages. Is idling for 6h 50m 14s, last said: 'Looks great ;)'. Mar 23 15:17:17 * lardman would like to be, but is getting married that weekend, not sure my wife-to-be would be happy with me delaying things Mar 23 15:18:00 lardman: congrats in advance :) Mar 23 15:18:09 thanks Mar 23 15:18:18 * Stskeeps wonders when he and the fiancee will find time for the wedding Mar 23 15:18:44 my suggestion... Mar 23 15:18:51 don't do it too soon, really cramps your evening programming time Mar 23 15:19:12 lardman: ah, we already live together for 1 1/2 year Mar 23 15:19:16 pick a date you can remember - we both have birthdays on 20th - so 20th it was.... then find a suitable 20th Mar 23 15:19:37 Stskeeps: Same here, just lots of extra planning/organising now Mar 23 15:19:49 lbt: lol Mar 23 15:19:52 lbt: so far relationship start at 16/2, and engagement day on 1/1, so nice numbers Mar 23 15:19:55 :P Mar 23 15:20:00 lbt: or get it tattoo'd on your palm? Mar 23 15:20:17 22/7 is also nice, approximating pi ;) Mar 23 15:20:28 hey - she just laughs 'cos I never remember how many years Mar 23 15:20:29 (and summer weather and stuff generally) Mar 23 15:20:35 its >10 < 20 Mar 23 15:20:39 X-Fade: Ping: Can we put a new ssh key on g.m.o? Mar 23 15:21:16 Stskeeps: Btw, is Mer compatible with Maemo themes? Mar 23 15:21:29 So I 'cloned' my debian machine in virtualbox so I could take it with me as I travelled. Mar 23 15:21:51 Sho_: somewhat. fact is that we're applying a new hildon desktop ui Mar 23 15:22:03 Oh, god, wedding planning. We're nearly at our fourth anniversary and I can still bait my wife out by suggesting we organise another get-together "like the wedding" ;-) Mar 23 15:22:13 But, when you do that, Virtualbox changes the disk ID, and linux uses a UUID for the disk - so my vdi machine won't boot! Mar 23 15:22:17 Sho_: http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/mer-ui3.png Mar 23 15:22:36 heh, we are going on our ten year anniversary trip this year. :P Mar 23 15:22:57 Stskeeps: Basically my question aims at my love for the LCARS themes ;) Mar 23 15:23:43