**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Mar 24 02:59:57 2009 Mar 24 03:17:58 hm Mar 24 03:19:28 is liblocation only provided binary? Mar 24 03:19:50 i think so Mar 24 03:21:41 unfortunately, since it is hard to debug;/ Mar 24 03:23:09 i know it provides x86 binary,arm binary,it there mips binary Mar 24 03:24:01 i try fennec1.0b1,error log said i need liblocation.it is so bad to hear no liblocation src Mar 24 03:24:40 hard to debug,also no way to port Mar 24 03:26:25 Fennec depends on liblocation? Mar 24 03:26:27 Huh Mar 24 03:26:51 for geolocation stuff Mar 24 03:27:01 Pavlov, if you've got a justification for getting it openned (for Fennec, for instance), put a bug up on b.m.o Mar 24 03:27:05 (maemo.org) Mar 24 03:27:58 I've heard more than a few "valid" (i.e., not just "open it because we're zealots and we say so") justifications for having it open, and Nokia tends to respond well to those (if not always rapidly). Mar 24 03:29:06 tang_: if you build without liblocation it should just disable geolocation support Mar 24 03:29:11 (at least via the gps) Mar 24 03:33:09 pavlov:i run fennec like this xulrunner ./application.ini Mar 24 03:33:15 you can Mar 24 03:33:26 'fennec' should also work Mar 24 03:33:32 error log:error loading shared librayies Mar 24 03:33:42 yeah it links against liblocation Mar 24 03:33:46 you'd have to rebuild without it;/ Mar 24 03:33:48 * lpotter thinks "open it because we're zealots and we say so" is a valid reason... Mar 24 03:34:05 run-mozilla.sh fennec Mar 24 03:34:06 tang_: i can ask one of my guys if we can dynamically load it Mar 24 03:34:18 lpotter, unfortunately it's not very effective with Nokia's management. Mar 24 03:34:22 error log:couldnt load xpcom Mar 24 03:34:26 Give them a business reason, though, and you're golden. Mar 24 03:34:52 it fennec1.0beta Mar 24 03:36:20 fenneca3 is ok to run Mar 24 03:38:04 Pavlov:i try do compile again, thanks for help Mar 24 03:38:16 a3 didn't have geolocation i think Mar 24 03:38:23 wait, we didn't do a3 Mar 24 04:41:40 * RST38h is happily removing factory installed shi^H^Hsoftware off the new laptop Mar 24 04:42:18 It is unimaginable how many little "helpful" dingleberries a manufacturer installs nowadays Mar 24 04:57:17 Is anyone here interested in "smart news reader on N800"? I once proposed it on the list, but still have not found a mentor yet. Mar 24 05:45:53 I copied my private key to my N810: /home/user/.ssh/ , but everytime I run ssh REMOTEHOST , it request the passphrase. but that is not requested in other machine. and I can't remember the passphrase Mar 24 06:00:58 good evening Mar 24 06:03:22 Macer: Evening? where in the world do you live? :p Mar 24 06:03:48 chicago Mar 24 06:03:53 it's 1am here :) Mar 24 06:04:19 lol Mar 24 06:21:39 about https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3949 - can someone help telling me where exactly in .modest can I find the cached emails? Mar 24 06:25:39 qgil: try du -h in that folder Mar 24 06:25:47 it should give you filesizes Mar 24 06:25:59 cached emails would probably be biggest filesize folder :P Mar 24 06:29:42 thanks zakkm, getting there... Mar 24 06:34:11 I'm stuck in a cryptic /cache subdir with subfolders 04, 05, 17, 24, 25, 28, 38... How am I supposed to find whether the 5 emails I have deleted are cached or not? :) Mar 24 06:35:41 no idea Mar 24 06:35:44 it was just a guess :p Mar 24 06:35:57 qgil:sorry Mar 24 06:39:36 qgil : wish i knew Mar 24 06:40:33 qgil: do you know some content of the emails? Mar 24 06:40:56 if yes, you could do a little recoursive bashscript with find, cat, grep Mar 24 06:43:29 * StsN800 ponders the half snow storm outside Mar 24 06:45:26 x29, it's easy to know a string in an email deleted, yes - but I don't know how to use find, cat, grep - I'm just a tester willing to help :) Mar 24 06:45:51 StsN800: good morning, one question: what is the repository called that gets added when installing the installer for mer? Mar 24 06:45:53 your own Mar 24 06:46:10 grep -r "string" cachedir Mar 24 06:46:20 x29a, tspre.org Mar 24 06:46:40 StsN800: that commend in the cache folder and it will scan the subfolders? Mar 24 06:46:41 thanks Mar 24 06:46:58 sweet, didnt know grep could do -r Mar 24 06:47:03 qgil, yeah, recursive Mar 24 06:51:29 hi guys i want to work in one of the maemo projects for gsoc Mar 24 06:51:59 i know good amount of c++ i can learn python and have good amount of computer basics knowledge Mar 24 06:52:11 can you suggest some project? Mar 24 07:01:51 morning, how to get dpkg list all installed packages? Mar 24 07:03:07 dpkg -l Mar 24 07:03:18 this may include non-purged packages Mar 24 07:04:10 I prefer "dpkg --get-selections" (| grep -v deinstall) Mar 24 07:05:03 * Stskeeps notes that headlines online as "it's going to be felt like -15 C today" is not motivating one to go to work. Mar 24 07:15:11 Stskeeps: sorry for the basic question: what is the syntax for cachedir? I get either "No such file or directory" or [nothing] Mar 24 07:16:01 mm Mar 24 07:24:47 qgil: the name of the directory Mar 24 07:28:35 x29a: grep -r "wowway" cache = No such file or directory Mar 24 07:29:41 ls -la cache does show the directory tho? Mar 24 07:31:29 qgil: --^ Mar 24 07:33:40 grep -r term ~/.modest/cache Mar 24 07:42:52 'giorno Mar 24 07:44:26 StsN801: I wanted to do this, how am I supposed to type the "~" in osso-xterm? Mar 24 07:45:01 StsN801: i now took the installing instructions from the 0.9 release and put them in the docu-install article, how will people know that they should edit there? Mar 24 07:45:05 qgil: fn+x Mar 24 07:45:12 or are you on N800? Mar 24 07:56:01 x29a: I can select the whole patch but now it's selected... how do I paste with osso-xterm? (man, how embvarrassing to ask these questions publicly) Mar 24 07:56:09 the whole path, I mean Mar 24 07:56:45 AH, GOT IT Mar 24 07:56:48 finally Mar 24 07:57:04 congrats Mar 24 07:57:32 so I can reproduce in Fremantle, mission completed Mar 24 08:00:14 qgil: re embarassing public, it took me a year to realize how to disable flash in the browser through the interface :) Mar 24 08:00:24 some things just take time :P Mar 24 08:04:09 qgil: ping Mar 24 08:04:47 qgil: is there a Maemo booth for Linuxtag planned? Mar 24 08:05:40 if not, I could list Maemo in the gnome project and apply for a little more space, the call for projects ends March 31st Mar 24 08:09:13 ugh Mar 24 08:10:09 Hi, bro. I try to install fremantle sdk in Scratchbox, but i got this message "Err http://repository.maemo.org fremantle/sdk/free Sources Mar 24 08:10:10 302 Found [IP: 193.184.164.146 80] Mar 24 08:10:12 Err http://repository.maemo.org fremantle/tools/free Packages Mar 24 08:10:13 302 Found [IP: 193.184.164.146 80]" when i executed 'apt-get update' Mar 24 08:12:19 Pinger: behind a proxy? Mar 24 08:13:37 oh, what's the address? Mar 24 08:14:47 i'm personally wondering why you're getting a elisa .fi address from a chinese address Mar 24 08:17:23 what do i do, how can get a chinese address? Mar 24 08:18:10 well what is happening is that something along the way is redirecting your http request Mar 24 08:18:18 and sending a 302 found, which apt cannot handle Mar 24 08:19:36 i cannot use the apt-get command Mar 24 08:25:17 qgil: strace/grep :) Mar 24 08:31:07 193.184.164.146 is an akamai mirror Mar 24 08:31:26 weird that he gets 302 Foudn from it then. well, ok, not so much if it's akamai :P Mar 24 08:31:52 akamai's web servers are strange, try telnet 193.184.164.146 80 ; GET / HTTP/1.0 Mar 24 08:32:48 not wierd really Mar 24 08:32:54 heh, interesting that canola went for gplv3 Mar 24 08:33:17 * Stskeeps can see positive sides to that, such as enforcing open devices with canola on it Mar 24 08:33:37 i think he might need an extra / somewhere Mar 24 08:33:48 e.g. if i use /pool i get a 302 for /pool/ Mar 24 08:34:01 Pinger: do you use the script? Mar 24 08:35:04 qgil: so um, can you get me a list of projects for which you want products in bugzilla? Mar 24 08:55:19 Morning, all Mar 24 08:55:37 morning jaffa Mar 24 08:55:53 Morning Jaffa Mar 24 09:00:19 x29a: good job on /Installation Mar 24 09:00:40 thanks Mar 24 09:03:02 * Stskeeps boots up inkscape Mar 24 09:06:31 good morning Mar 24 09:22:50 http://tabletui.wordpress.com/2009/03/24/step-up/ getting 2 thumbs down in maemo.org - intriguing Mar 24 09:23:07 maybe it's because the blog posts has that evil technology called Flash? Mar 24 09:24:37 timeless: it's not about the list of products "I" want, but about the projects wiling to use bugs.maemo.org and whether we-the-community make some kind of policy about that for software in extras Mar 24 09:24:55 hehe.. first thing we got taught on UI design courses was that it is good to have "alive" prototypes to be able to test/use as reference/play with, and flash is pretty much the only one that is good for easy and rapid prototyping :), don't think the OSS community has any good alternatives in that area Mar 24 09:26:26 qgil: alright, so if you have bugs you want to file, contact the maintainers and offer them products in bugzilla Mar 24 09:28:25 timelE61i: sounds reasonable Mar 24 09:29:10 Stskeeps: an alternative to Flash in the OSS community is to hack an alpha and come up with a screencast ;) Mar 24 09:31:10 a screencast using flash? Mar 24 09:33:04 Is it this which replaced tux? http://www.flickr.com/photos/h_u_p/3363810546/ Mar 24 09:33:53 hhahlo: now linux will be forever identified with satanism (devil, well, tasmanian devil) and communism. always good. :P Mar 24 09:34:26 * Stskeeps hugs the freebsd mascot. Mar 24 09:34:39 Stskeeps: like bsd has Mar 24 09:34:59 yeah, except that tux replacement doesn't look directly friendly Mar 24 09:36:48 btw is diablo ever going to get newer kernel or is it like debian systems that no newer kernels? Mar 24 09:37:04 hhahlo: i think it's really up to community Mar 24 09:37:15 we can get 2.6.28 with a bit of work really Mar 24 09:37:33 that would be good Mar 24 09:37:34 actually, we've been able to for ages, even with wifi, but noone has bothered that much Mar 24 09:37:43 there's a GSoC project for it as well Mar 24 09:38:24 Stskeeps: i try to 'export http_proxy=202.158.161.39:9203' in scratchbox, but Failed. Mar 24 09:38:38 can you give me a http_proxy? Mar 24 09:38:54 Pinger: my question was if you used the installation script? Mar 24 09:39:15 what's script? Mar 24 09:39:24 the .sh that would install the SDK for you Mar 24 09:39:27 or if you did it manually Mar 24 09:39:36 manually Mar 24 09:39:59 ok, any reason why? non-Debian/Ubuntu? Mar 24 09:40:04 i didn't use script Mar 24 09:40:19 i use Debian lenny Mar 24 09:40:38 ok, i would recommend you to use the installation scripts included, they'll set up the target correctly Mar 24 09:42:23 but my scratchbox dir in /home/pinger/scratchbox Mar 24 09:42:39 mm Mar 24 09:42:53 can you pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list? Mar 24 09:44:09 deb http://repository.maemo.org/ fremantle/sdk free non-free Mar 24 09:44:10 deb-src http://repository.maemo.org/ fremantle/sdk free Mar 24 09:44:12 deb http://repository.maemo.org/ fremantle/tools free non-free Mar 24 09:44:13 deb-src http://repository.maemo.org/ fremantle/tools free Mar 24 09:45:21 looks fine to me Mar 24 09:45:38 check your /scratchbox/etc/resolv.conf and /etc/resolv.conf and so forth matches eachother Mar 24 09:48:56 Stskeeps: it works now, i changed the http_proxy in scratchbox Mar 24 09:49:16 k Mar 24 09:49:17 good Mar 24 09:49:27 i used 'export http_proxy=http://128.112.139.97:3127', this address is ok. Mar 24 09:49:51 thanks for your time, thank you, thank you very much. Mar 24 09:50:07 np Mar 24 09:51:02 i'm not entirely sure why your problem happens but it looks like you solved it by setting a http proxy to a open proxy or something :) Mar 24 09:54:38 Pinger: is this your home connection that you are using? Mar 24 09:56:06 no, i'm company Mar 24 09:57:18 what's wrong Mar 24 10:06:47 good morning Mar 24 10:07:26 morning Mar 24 10:22:21 Stskeeps: Bye, i wanna to go home. Mar 24 10:22:25 cya Mar 24 10:46:05 hello, can I walk with someone about GSoC= Mar 24 10:46:11 = -> ? Mar 24 10:47:27 faik_: I guess you have seen http://wiki.maemo.org/GSoC_2009 ? Mar 24 10:48:30 yes Mar 24 10:48:50 I want to talk about one of project ideas Mar 24 10:49:50 faik_: Which one? We might to be able to figure out who you would need to talk to.. Mar 24 10:50:30 . Mar 24 10:51:08 It's one about videoconference, possible mentor leandro Mar 24 10:51:18 I have some work on similar project Mar 24 10:51:52 developing client and server side Mar 24 10:53:22 using video, audio and whiteboard to communicate between students and profesors Mar 24 10:54:09 ~seen leandroal Mar 24 10:54:21 leandroal was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 34d 11h 6m 17s ago, saying: 'qwerty12_N800, cool! :)'. Mar 24 10:54:38 Hmm he doesn't seem to be here much. Mar 24 10:56:43 do you know his e-mail address or other way to communicate Mar 24 11:10:01 morning Mar 24 11:10:53 morning Mar 24 11:13:07 faik_, do you already have leandro's contact ? Mar 24 11:14:20 yes, X-Fade provided me. tnx Mar 24 12:07:07 hi Mar 24 12:08:33 talented Mar 24 12:08:40 ups Mar 24 12:14:11 at least canola is oss ! Mar 24 12:44:33 god i hate vnc sometimes Mar 24 12:44:37 * lcuk kicks it Mar 24 12:45:38 moo lcuk Mar 24 12:45:47 if you kick it hard enough it will die. Mar 24 12:45:54 lo RST38h Mar 24 12:46:11 RST38h, if i had long enough legs i would kick it properly Mar 24 12:46:30 "A new ad campaign by the Metropolitan Police warns the public to be on the alert for strangers who look at them in a funny way, and to check the contents of their neighbours bins." Mar 24 12:46:32 Fun Mar 24 12:46:32 the vnc protocol doesn't support violence Mar 24 12:46:40 Heya Sts Mar 24 12:47:02 * lcuk reports RST38h Mar 24 12:47:08 lcuk: That is an obvious oversight Mar 24 12:47:51 * lcuk checks \\RST38h\c$\RECYCLER\S-1-5-21-839522115-1958367476-725345543-1003 Mar 24 12:48:23 the wonders of Windows directory naming :p Mar 24 12:49:08 yeah, i think the worst was the spaces in system paths Mar 24 12:49:24 cured now but wtf were they thinking Mar 24 12:50:40 * RST38h has been configuring the new laptop for the last day or so, almost got it under control Mar 24 12:51:00 which os have you chosen? Mar 24 12:51:07 It came with XP. Mar 24 12:51:25 Will put Ubuntu on it a bit later today if I get time Mar 24 12:51:34 xp is easy to wrangle Mar 24 12:51:53 Not if you have got dozens (!) of apps manufacturer installed Mar 24 12:52:10 But Symantec is gone now and I even fixed the registry it left broken Mar 24 12:52:19 ahhh norton antivirus trialware, they give you free viruses for a couple of months Mar 24 12:52:33 All those helpful Intel utils are gone too Mar 24 12:52:58 when traacys machine turned into a super system norton had a fit, it took more effort to get that removed than setting up the rest of it Mar 24 12:53:19 dont u need those intel utilities though Mar 24 12:55:19 no Mar 24 12:55:29 useless crap Mar 24 12:55:47 also "converted" office trial =) Mar 24 12:55:57 not even the little one that monitors for microcode updates and reenvigorates your cpu in times of need Mar 24 12:56:35 RST38h, you can be 98.99999997465% sure you need that monitor Mar 24 12:57:16 I havent got that one Mar 24 12:58:12 oh my, then you will have a problem - as long as you don't use your machine for production stuff though no1 will notice Mar 24 13:02:02 lcuk: a monitor emulating the P90 bug? Mar 24 13:14:10 morning timsamoff Mar 24 13:14:24 Hey hey hey. Mar 24 13:22:13 oh god Mar 24 13:22:14 sO... Mar 24 13:22:20 timsamoff, we have a problem. :( Mar 24 13:22:33 Can someone explain how LC_TIME should work? Mar 24 13:22:47 timsamoff, glaubert seems to have used Arial for the website graphics. . . . :( Mar 24 13:22:52 There's an assumption that lang controls the user facing strings Mar 24 13:23:10 And lc_* control formatting Mar 24 13:23:15 GeneralAntilles: Hmmm... Mar 24 13:23:26 But, in web design, it's pretty typical -- and accepted. Mar 24 13:23:37 Maybe not in the "open" world, though, eh? Mar 24 13:23:45 However, it seems that something (probably posix) mixed these two when it defined lc_time Mar 24 13:23:48 It's fake Helvetica from Microsoft, Inc. Mar 24 13:23:49 Evil. Mar 24 13:24:00 The font is better Mar 24 13:24:09 Right, but... The web sort of forced us into using it. Unfortunately. Mar 24 13:24:18 timsamoff, not in our graphics. Mar 24 13:24:30 it's part of "core fonts for the web" Mar 24 13:24:34 But, one must design for the lowest common denominator. Mar 24 13:24:46 Everyone has Arial, so that is what we use. Mar 24 13:24:54 :shudder: Mar 24 13:24:59 There's hardly a way to get around it -- unless we make maemo.org a Flahs site. :p Mar 24 13:25:13 *Flash Mar 24 13:25:24 timsamoff: like ovi? Mar 24 13:25:27 Awesome Mar 24 13:25:33 ;) Mar 24 13:25:37 11 flash apps per page Mar 24 13:25:44 Gotta love it. Mar 24 13:26:19 register t1t2t3 Mar 24 13:26:31 ^ Funny. Mar 24 13:26:42 Blech. I'm typing in multiple dialogs. Mar 24 13:27:16 * timsamoff is so sleepy this morning. Mar 24 13:27:49 * RST38h queues web developers using flash for extermination Mar 24 13:28:30 RST38h: Sorry, dude... It makes some of us money. Mar 24 13:28:34 tAke ovi's first Mar 24 13:28:36 Please Mar 24 13:29:04 My first Flash site was in 1998. Wow. Mar 24 13:29:10 It was hot too. Mar 24 13:29:11 timsamoff: that is the only way! =) Mar 24 13:29:44 * timsamoff should put that old site back up. ActionScript 1 doing all sorts of things that people struggle with today with AS3! Mar 24 13:29:53 * GeneralAntilles tries installing scratchbox again. Mar 24 13:30:17 * Stskeeps is considering OpenSUSE Build Service Mar 24 13:31:13 Stskeeps: I LOVE that idea. Jerimiah is on to something. Mar 24 13:31:25 *Jeremiah Mar 24 13:31:38 timsamoff: we're investigating it for mer at the moment Mar 24 13:31:46 so we have a playground for it Mar 24 13:31:48 Coolness. :) Mar 24 13:32:10 their ARM emulation and cross-compilation is light years ahead of maemo & scratchbox (1 and 2), to be honest Mar 24 13:32:24 I wish OpenSuse had more exposure, really. Mar 24 13:32:50 But, maybe Mer will help. ;) Mar 24 13:33:34 * RST38h wonders how many of timsamoff's flash sites work on a tablet Mar 24 13:33:59 timsamoff: people should be threatened of opensuse on arm, really :) Mar 24 13:34:04 RST38h: Try this: http://samoff.com/ps/ Mar 24 13:34:15 Sts: How did SUSE cross paths with ARM, anyway? I thought they were a PC distro? Mar 24 13:34:31 RST38h: no clue, but they did a side project Mar 24 13:34:33 Stskeeps: Why is that? Mar 24 13:34:58 timsamoff: how do I click through it so that it ends quicker? =) Mar 24 13:34:59 timsamoff: if they suddenly can put together arbitary distributions for arm hardware and custom-compile them within a couple of days.. Mar 24 13:35:13 (that is really the only important thing about flash based trainings) Mar 24 13:35:22 RST38h: Ha! :D Mar 24 13:35:25 Sts: Weird. Mar 24 13:35:29 Stskeeps: Yeah, but... Mar 24 13:36:09 timsamoff: Well, let us just say that plain HTML with a table of contents would probably do a better job Mar 24 13:36:29 RST38h: Not according to the client. ;) Mar 24 13:36:36 timsamoff: Yea, I know =( Mar 24 13:44:30 hi Mar 24 13:59:07 timsamoff: http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Build#Scenarios - the scenarios we hope to support Mar 24 14:01:33 I like it/them. Mar 24 14:01:57 and that's how easy it should be really. if it builds on x86 sanely, it should cross-compile for armel too and work in exact same manner Mar 24 14:02:00 :P Mar 24 14:05:15 Stskeeps, "should" is a very key phrase, try it out and see how it works then scaleup if its comfy Mar 24 14:05:18 Stskeeps: Are you guys working on this project full-time or something? Mar 24 14:05:31 timsamoff: nah, just when we have time i guess Mar 24 14:06:06 Stskeeps: Well, it's impressive. You have created so much documentation. I love it. Mar 24 14:06:06 timsamoff, dont believe him, even I think he has early starts and late nights ;) Mar 24 14:06:20 lcuk: Don't we all? ;) Mar 24 14:06:48 * timsamoff thinks he is procrastinating with reading all of the Mer docs. :p Mar 24 14:06:58 * timsamoff should probably get to work, but... Mar 24 14:23:51 hello all, is there anyone interested in the "Smart News Reader" on the GSOC project list?I have not found a mentor yet~ Mar 24 14:26:40 VDVsx: Are you the king of GSOC here? :) Mar 24 14:31:13 derkaiser, I don't have enough machine learning knowledge in order to help you, but I will send you a possible mentor contact in pm Mar 24 14:31:36 X-Fade, lol, I'm not a king :P Mar 24 14:32:12 ok, thanks~actually it may much more be linked to context-aware and semantic. machine learning algorithm will not be used too much~ Mar 24 14:33:04 There isn't a lot of room to do much machine learning on a tablet. Mar 24 14:33:48 yes , I know.so i don't want to do so much complex ML algorithm on tablet Mar 24 14:34:44 More works would be done in context-aware and semantic. Mar 24 14:35:04 X-Fade, :D thought it mightv been you Mar 24 14:35:51 lcuk: Let's say that it was caused by a lack of sleep.. Mar 24 14:36:04 I hope this work can make some contributions in implementing a context-aware middleware and a tiny semantic engine on tablet. Just a experiment project. Test how maemo can be smart~ Mar 24 14:36:51 derkaiser: cool Mar 24 14:37:20 derkaiser, maemo will become skynet? Mar 24 14:37:28 * lcuk loves the idea Mar 24 14:39:24 Excuse me , but what is skynet? I have no idea about it... Mar 24 14:40:03 derkaiser, :) terminator movie series, intelligent robots taking over the world and destroying all humans, you know day to day normal stuff Mar 24 14:40:12 derkaiser: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skynet_(Terminator) Mar 24 14:40:37 3x~I also find it~:) Mar 24 14:41:31 New Terminator movie will come out soon btw ;) Mar 24 14:42:16 It's really cool. I think those mobile device should be smart enough to improve our quality of life in future pervasive environment. But they also should be under control, I believe. Mar 24 14:45:07 is there any chinese here? Mar 24 14:45:19 saw one earlier Mar 24 14:47:41 X-Fade, more interested in the new star trek movie Mar 24 14:48:29 lcuk: Yeah, me too. Mar 24 14:49:33 the enterprise looks so big on earth :O Mar 24 15:05:41 lcuk: which is a canon violation! ;) Mar 24 15:06:41 yes i thought all enterprise models were built in spacedock, it seems odd that sam beckets enterprise started in space and yet when kirk comes around they bring it back down to earth Mar 24 15:07:32 lcuk: well plus it was said before that it was built in the "san francisco orbital fleet yards" Mar 24 15:07:37 and now they build it on the ground in iowa .. Mar 24 15:07:51 swamp gas Mar 24 15:10:21 but hey, it can hardly be worse than "Nemesis" .. Mar 24 15:56:02 why does downloading the armel rootsrap (maemo) fais to download with the maemo-sdk installer Mar 24 15:56:44 I managed to create a i386-chroot and installed sb1.. Mar 24 16:02:08 downloading the maemo5 rootstrap is working... Mar 24 16:02:18 just maemo 4.1 doesn't Mar 24 16:02:21 :| Mar 24 16:09:02 hmm it seems that downloading works just for the first time.. Mar 24 16:11:34 ok works now after removing the old and uncompleted files at /chroot/scratchbox/users/thopiekar/home/thopiekar Mar 24 17:21:26 http://www.treehugger.com/files/2009/03/in-season-food-app-for-locavores-iphones.php Mar 24 17:21:29 wow, thats neat Mar 24 17:31:55 fireun: indeed a nice idea Mar 24 17:35:00 I wonder where they get their data Mar 24 17:35:11 or if its just hardcoded for times of the year Mar 24 17:37:55 * fireun now sees the "data provided by localharvest" Mar 24 18:16:39 well... xfering around 500G over 100mbit Mar 24 18:16:41 fun fun Mar 24 18:17:03 again? Mar 24 18:21:12 again? :) Mar 24 18:21:25 oh.. before it was usb2 drives.. i'm actually just moving a ton of stuff over to my popcornhour Mar 24 18:21:33 i am going to give this one to my gf and get an a-110 Mar 24 18:22:05 this one has a 750G drive in it.. figured i'd get an a110 and put a 1.5TB drive in it Mar 24 18:22:37 Hi Mar 24 18:22:43 any mentors here? Mar 24 18:22:54 possibly Mar 24 18:23:55 possibly Mar 24 18:24:08 Students who want to participate are expected to have those Nokia internet tablets? Mar 24 18:24:11 is this how the freemasons started? Mar 24 18:24:34 I am talking about the GSoC Mar 24 18:24:34 v6sa, no Mar 24 18:24:38 v6sa, since maemo is oriented around the nokia internet tablets i would think it would make sense Mar 24 18:24:56 haha two contradicting answers.. Mar 24 18:24:58 so? Mar 24 18:25:00 obviously not lol Mar 24 18:25:20 but how are they going to test it? only on PC in some emulated environment? Mar 24 18:25:25 VDVsx, how can people work on maemo device code without testing Mar 24 18:25:52 v6sa, we have a powerful SDK Mar 24 18:25:56 :P Mar 24 18:26:35 lcuk, depends on the project Mar 24 18:26:50 VDVsx: any kind of serious development in sdk is kinda weird :P Mar 24 18:27:29 VDVsx, good point but without some sort of context the end result isnt gonna be too helpful Mar 24 18:29:12 lcuk, I know, but we dunno if we can get some sponsorship to offer devices to the students, Mar 24 18:29:34 in worst case scenario they can probably develop in a mer vmdk ;) Mar 24 18:30:24 But what am I supposed to write to application paper when I don't have a Maemo based internet tablet? Mar 24 18:30:37 Meaning that I have no experience with those machines Mar 24 18:30:47 I know what they are and what kind of software they run.. Mar 24 18:32:05 v6sa, programming and some linux experience is enough for some projects, but it all depends on the project requirements Mar 24 18:58:39 <_berto_> "Last.fm Radio will soon require a subscription of €3.00 per month" http://blog.last.fm/2009/03/24/lastfm-radio-announcement Mar 24 18:58:44 <_berto_> :( Mar 24 18:58:48 ! Mar 24 18:59:25 then again Mar 24 18:59:52 if it gives access my loved tracks, my radio station, etc Mar 24 18:59:56 then i'm so up for it. Mar 24 19:00:24 for -just- 3 eur Mar 24 19:00:26 damn, wish i had some bt gps Mar 24 19:00:36 <_berto_> well, i'm already a subscriber Mar 24 19:00:40 apparently mm rules on 770 2008HE Mar 24 19:00:51 <_berto_> but there's a lot of users who won't pay that Mar 24 19:00:58 instead all i see is crappy microB Mar 24 19:01:00 Stskeeps: I actually read it and thought, hrm I guess I use adblock and I always use a client and not the website, so I should probably subscribe :) Mar 24 19:01:26 Robot101: i have been considering to subscribe for quite a while after i got a taste of "My loved tracks" Mar 24 19:01:51 and the fact i can legally take my mp3 collection along on last.fm through my library Mar 24 19:05:09 b-b-bback Mar 24 19:06:55 bJv: what's your beef? Mar 24 19:08:07 Hey. Mar 24 19:08:23 Has anyone tried the Brando Mini Bluetooth Keyboard (here: http://usb.brando.com.hk/prod_detail.php?prod_id=00791&cat_id=034&dept_id=015 ) before? Mar 24 19:08:31 I'm thinking of getting one for my 770. Mar 24 19:08:38 timelE61i: microB cant really function on only 64MB ram Mar 24 19:08:52 (There was an earlier, identically-named Bluetooth keyboard from Brando earlier, which is all I can find reviews of...) Mar 24 19:08:57 bjv: 2008HE is a bit of a ram taker, too Mar 24 19:09:20 Stskeeps: ive shut down alot of stuff like the media crawler Mar 24 19:09:44 right now im looking at tear, considering un-installing the stock browser Mar 24 19:09:44 bjv: if it's any consolation, you don't get major improvements on a n8x0 Mar 24 19:09:58 bJv: so... Mar 24 19:10:04 You're not being fair Mar 24 19:10:11 and maybe downgrading osso-xterm to an older version. Mar 24 19:10:12 Microb isn't given 64mb of ram Mar 24 19:10:25 The os/platform eats a huge chunk of that Mar 24 19:11:03 timelE61i: imma try tear/webkit, then try microB without the realmedia plugin Mar 24 19:11:32 realmedia ?? Mar 24 19:11:53 If you mean the default plugin, the description is to make web sites happy Mar 24 19:11:53 * Stskeeps has a realmedia "default media" plugin too Mar 24 19:12:00