**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Mar 26 02:59:57 2009 Mar 26 04:35:51 hm Mar 26 04:36:20 hm Mar 26 04:38:45 hi Mar 26 04:38:49 hello Mar 26 04:38:58 hey Mar 26 04:38:58 mer .0000000011 out yet? Mar 26 04:39:13 Macer: you're a few orders of magnitude off, and no Mar 26 04:39:16 :P Mar 26 04:39:24 heh Mar 26 04:39:39 I'm just upgrading my 0.9 install to the latest pkgs Mar 26 04:39:41 anyone ever built swfdec or gnash in scratchbox? Mar 26 04:39:48 or for the n810 in general? Mar 26 04:40:04 but it's annoying, because the onboard flash doesn't have enough room to do all the updates at once :S Mar 26 04:40:10 for the apt cache, that is Mar 26 05:24:49 Did Nokia at all specify a rough estimate for rx-51 pricing? Mar 26 05:41:33 anyone having issues with xmms Mar 26 05:41:55 that it plays the song but doesnt show current track info such as playing time Mar 26 05:43:22 Shadow_X: never used xmms on nit, sorry Mar 26 05:45:39 hmm Mar 26 05:46:36 I have a question about installing the operating system to an sd card, can someone help me? Mar 26 05:47:46 TehRoger, internettablettalk.com should help there is an article about pb Mar 26 05:48:27 also Mar 26 05:48:28 http://tablethacker.com/wp/?p=12&lang=en-us Mar 26 05:48:42 there are many ways either you issue the commands or find an app that does it for you Mar 26 05:49:52 I don't need help on the process, really. I just wanted to know why the different partitions. Mar 26 05:50:06 what do you mean Mar 26 05:50:17 swap helps because tablet doesnt have alot of ram Mar 26 05:50:38 TehRoger: cloning to sd? Mar 26 05:50:41 fat for continued access to the memory card in file manager and such for storage Mar 26 05:50:49 ext2 or ext3 for the boot Mar 26 05:51:04 ext3 = filemanager. too Mar 26 05:51:22 fat = for pc adding files / backup purposes Mar 26 05:51:30 swap for virtual memory Mar 26 05:51:34 and ext3 for the OS Mar 26 05:51:53 yeah but you dont really need a big fat part Mar 26 05:52:02 you could rysync everything Mar 26 05:52:03 TehRoger: you want help with it, doing it myself Mar 26 05:52:05 or something Mar 26 05:52:18 Shadow_X: not if you use windows on desktop. Mar 26 05:52:21 when applications are installed, they're installed to ex3? Mar 26 05:52:24 ext3* Mar 26 05:52:24 would make it more work Mar 26 05:52:25 yes Mar 26 05:52:31 everything is installed to ext3 partition Mar 26 05:52:48 the n810 is geared towards enthusiasts install linux Mar 26 05:52:48 fat = backup / only one shown on windows computer when connect nokia to pc Mar 26 05:52:50 :) Mar 26 05:52:58 that's what I thought, I was just confused as to why there was a fat partition Mar 26 05:52:59 and swap .. you cant do any storage stuff with it Mar 26 05:53:01 TehRoger, your choice of filesystem type Mar 26 05:53:08 and thanks Mar 26 05:53:22 TehRoger: its for windows connectivity, doesnt have to be fat.. but for guide purposes its good they said it Mar 26 05:53:32 otherwise ppl would be like why cant i see memory card when attach to my windows pc :D Mar 26 05:53:41 I understand now Mar 26 05:54:55 TehRoger: need help with procedure? in midst of doing it myself Mar 26 05:55:59 eh, not really. I just wanted to know what the far patition was before I started in case I didn't need it Mar 26 05:56:03 fat* Mar 26 06:04:00 Thanks guys, good night Mar 26 06:38:32 where can i find "/etc/apt/sources.list" for maemo? Mar 26 06:39:25 what do you mean? Mar 26 06:39:38 maemo is not monolithic Mar 26 06:39:55 repository.maemo.org hosts 5 major versions and a number of minor versions Mar 26 06:40:10 plus differences between levels of package quality Mar 26 06:40:25 tableteer.nokia.com hosts a similar range Mar 26 06:40:44 no Mar 26 06:40:56 the text file where all the repositories are listed Mar 26 06:41:24 timeless_mbp: just the text file where the repositories are listed Mar 26 06:41:38 /etc/apt/sources.list.d/* Mar 26 06:41:54 you might consider reading the apt man pages (they're available online) Mar 26 06:42:46 no just used to /etc/apt/sources.list Mar 26 06:43:05 perfecttt :D Mar 26 06:43:06 thank you Mar 26 06:58:10 ?? Mar 26 06:58:27 i didn't know that there's plasma designed for mid Mar 26 07:00:55 is it "bad" to use os2006/07 on a n800? Mar 26 07:05:05 use what ever you want, you have choices Mar 26 07:05:41 zakkm, do you have a reason not to update? Mar 26 07:05:52 like older os version looks Mar 26 07:06:21 you mean the wallpaper/background image ? Mar 26 07:06:26 the theme itself Mar 26 07:06:27 gtk theme Mar 26 07:19:47 hm Mar 26 07:20:05 mystique for android is an awesome game Mar 26 07:21:32 Macer: nitdroid? Mar 26 07:21:50 no. g1 Mar 26 07:22:08 was going to try mer .11 Mar 26 07:22:15 is it out? Mar 26 07:22:18 no Mar 26 07:22:36 how were you going to try it then Mar 26 07:22:51 if it is good i will use that but if not i will try nitdroid Mar 26 07:23:03 when it comes out Mar 26 07:23:08 nitdroid is terrible unless on n810 ;p Mar 26 07:23:20 yah? Mar 26 07:23:28 because of qwerty? Mar 26 07:23:31 yeah Mar 26 07:23:45 onscreen keyboard crashes alot / doesnt do backspace properly and all Mar 26 07:23:45 damn. have n800 Mar 26 07:24:10 hm. when is the last time you used it? Mar 26 07:24:26 0.4.2 i believe Mar 26 07:24:32 update doesnt change much though Mar 26 07:25:38 hi, i am trying to build enlightment libs. I have the svn checkout. However, when i try to build the python bindings ( in BINDINGS/python) i am getting this error. Mar 26 07:25:56 well. i suppose it has to follow the android branch Mar 26 07:26:08 sudo ./build-all.sh --installdir='/usr' Mar 26 07:26:09 Install to --installdir=/usr Mar 26 07:26:09 running develop Mar 26 07:26:09 Checking .pth file support in --installdir=/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages Mar 26 07:26:09 error: can't create or remove files in install directory Mar 26 07:26:09 The following error occurred while trying to add or remove files in the Mar 26 07:26:11 installation directory: Mar 26 07:26:13 [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '--installdir=/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/test-easy-install-10382.pth' Mar 26 07:26:16 The installation directory you specified (via --install-dir, --prefix, or Mar 26 07:26:18 the distutils default setting) was: Mar 26 07:26:20 --installdir=/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages Mar 26 07:26:22 This directory does not currently exist. Please create it and try again, or Mar 26 07:26:24 choose a different installation directory (using the -d or --install-dir Mar 26 07:26:25 .... Mar 26 07:26:26 option). Mar 26 07:26:28 ERROR: failed to build python-evas Mar 26 07:26:30 please help Mar 26 07:26:30 dude Mar 26 07:26:37 WTF Mar 26 07:26:40 directory does not exist? s o make it Mar 26 07:26:43 pasting all that... Mar 26 07:26:44 ~pastebin Mar 26 07:26:44 and dont flood :D Mar 26 07:26:44 [~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you can paste anything over 3 lines without flooding the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://www.rafb.net/paste Mar 26 07:26:45 pacman save us! Mar 26 07:26:55 sorry Mar 26 07:27:22 but the dir exists Mar 26 07:28:11 anyone know where wallpapers are stored? what directory in maemo Mar 26 07:28:48 adityav: get a better script ;p Mar 26 07:29:10 /usr/share/backgrounds Mar 26 07:29:25 sweet thank you qwerty12 Mar 26 07:29:50 the script comes with the svn.. Shouldn't it work? Mar 26 07:30:24 is it a maemo script? Mar 26 07:30:30 like a script for maemo? Mar 26 07:30:36 or mer? Mar 26 07:30:38 EFL Mar 26 07:30:45 enlightment foundation lib Mar 26 07:31:06 you should look at neatojones script for that ;p Mar 26 07:31:13 see if soemthing was changed to get it to work Mar 26 07:31:27 Tear browser is awesomeee :P just installed for first time Mar 26 07:31:31 adityav, why you're not using easy_install or official release of whatever you're building? Mar 26 07:33:53 i am trying to get the svn version of canola working, it requires EFL DR17. Mar 26 07:35:26 oh Mar 26 07:37:01 what you guys use for maemo wallpaper? Mar 26 07:37:52 default Mar 26 07:38:09 keep it simple :) Mar 26 07:38:32 * slonopotamus uses no wallpaper Mar 26 07:39:05 it eats ram :P Mar 26 07:39:53 slonopotamus: let me guess, mer with ratpoison? :P Mar 26 07:40:33 zakkm, missed. gentoo ;) Mar 26 07:40:46 i meant on nokia Mar 26 07:40:48 not desktop. Mar 26 07:40:56 on desktop ive used gentoo myself for about a year and a half Mar 26 07:41:03 then went to mac osx, never went back ;d Mar 26 07:41:07 i understood what you meant Mar 26 07:41:38 zakkm: os2006 shouldn't actually run on an n800 Mar 26 07:41:46 (nor should os2005 for that matter) Mar 26 07:41:54 ohh 2007 then ;p Mar 26 07:42:12 i suppose it depends on your definition of bad Mar 26 07:42:15 32 bit 800x480 image eats 1.5mb ram. Mar 26 07:42:21 performance. Mar 26 07:42:23 lol Mar 26 07:42:28 1.5mb is nothing ;p Mar 26 07:42:29 if you file a bug based on 2007, i'll pay someone to attack you w/ an old trout Mar 26 07:42:39 and slonopotamus: it would be LFS, not gentoo ;p Mar 26 07:42:53 zakkhm, out of 128 - not nothing. Mar 26 07:43:00 Some version of os2008 included CPU frequency support Mar 26 07:43:18 so technically your performance on os2007 can't be as fast as os2008 Mar 26 07:44:18 1.5 out of 128 is nothing Mar 26 07:44:25 timeless_mbp, echo 'performance' > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor (and say goodbye to battery)? Mar 26 07:44:28 so much stuff takes way more Mar 26 07:44:33 ? Mar 26 07:44:37 you can always set performance Mar 26 07:44:40 liqbase lets you Mar 26 07:44:53 cpufreq != opmode Mar 26 07:45:02 ? Mar 26 07:45:07 slonopotamus: the scaling is needed to jump between 400mhz and the one lower Mar 26 07:45:16 you can't use 400mhz w/ the DSP Mar 26 07:45:19 or something like that Mar 26 07:45:20 wtf is opmode? Mar 26 07:45:35 with what? Mar 26 07:46:00 in theory i think you can fry your device if you do this stuff wrong :) Mar 26 07:46:27 what does "osso-connectivity-ui-conndlgs" and systemui do? Mar 26 07:46:40 and what? don't mix theory and practice Mar 26 07:46:43 zakkm: why do you ask? Mar 26 07:46:47 zakkm, eat ram. Mar 26 07:46:48 timeless_mbp, Yeah, Igor said that you'd most likely need to cold flash if you modify kernel to run cpu and dsp at same speed :) Mar 26 07:47:16 zakkm: if you're going to ask about each package Mar 26 07:47:28 someone should slap you now to save me the effort of reading and thinking it's worth answering Mar 26 07:47:35 lol Mar 26 07:47:36 not every package Mar 26 07:47:38 -.- Mar 26 07:47:41 i know most packages Mar 26 07:47:41 just dozens? Mar 26 07:47:49 no just those two Mar 26 07:48:04 well... you understand that if you try to use the browser it bothers you to pick a network connection Mar 26 07:48:06 right? Mar 26 07:48:20 yes Mar 26 07:48:28 where would you expect that to live? Mar 26 07:48:53 that should kill itself when your connected :D Mar 26 07:49:10 was taking 8mb ram ;p Mar 26 07:49:12 (offhand, i don't recall where "too many apps are open, please close one" lives) Mar 26 07:49:21 ram? or vm? Mar 26 07:49:27 ram Mar 26 07:49:31 both Mar 26 07:50:03 well, if you don't want apps to work, you can replace that :) Mar 26 07:51:04 how much apps do you guys leave open? Mar 26 07:51:26 browser. Mar 26 07:51:34 maybe xterm Mar 26 07:51:42 +sshd Mar 26 07:51:58 rarely notes Mar 26 07:52:12 so small? Mar 26 07:52:40 the browser can host replacements for just about everything else on the device :) Mar 26 08:04:14 hi, is there a now somekind of "official" ubuntu jaynty release for n8x0 tablets? heard rumors and tried to googled but found only itt version. Mar 26 08:07:40 hhahlo: no official release Mar 26 08:08:02 itt version is from b-man.. also mer is built on it pretty much Mar 26 08:08:25 itt is maemo people. Mar 26 08:08:58 zakkm: ok thanks Mar 26 08:09:06 zakkm, it's reverse Mar 26 08:09:34 i meant mer is built on ubuntu jaunty.. not b-man's.. Mar 26 08:09:43 zakkm, ubuntu for n8x0 is based on deblet and mer packages Mar 26 08:09:51 yeah Mar 26 08:10:00 but mer is built on ubuntu jaunty isnt it? Mar 26 08:10:04 like official ubuntu jaunty Mar 26 08:10:10 k Mar 26 08:10:12 and then b-man's is built on mer Mar 26 08:10:19 i thought that was it? Mar 26 08:10:54 just discovered Tear browser :D Mar 26 08:11:09 yeah Mar 26 08:11:31 Sts: you think since canola is open now, there will be alot of forks / improvements? Mar 26 08:14:12 don't know why rumors that canonical made and nokia sponsored ubuntu tablet Mar 26 08:14:54 hhahlo: they came out with ARM ubuntu Mar 26 08:15:27 "couldnt" of done it otherwise Mar 26 08:15:48 hhahlo: did you just get your tablet? Mar 26 08:16:21 zakkm: no, just try to keep up software Mar 26 08:16:43 tried deblet mer nitroid Mar 26 08:17:12 might as well just install mer, and then gnome or something Mar 26 08:17:22 rather than the "ubuntu jaunty" guide Mar 26 08:44:54 good morning Mar 26 08:48:46 hey everybody Mar 26 08:51:04 Stskeeps: ping? Mar 26 09:58:40 Morning, all Mar 26 09:59:26 jeremiah_: Buy me a shiny MacBook (or poke me to boot into my OSx86 partition at the weekend (and reset it up)) Mar 26 10:05:19 not really Mar 26 10:23:58 morning Mar 26 10:24:05 morn Mar 26 11:54:55 Woot Off's going fast today. Mar 26 12:22:56 whois adityav Mar 26 12:23:23 ^^: errr. ooops. Mar 26 12:28:04 that would be me :) Mar 26 12:29:58 * Myrtti yawns Mar 26 12:48:09 Back :) Mar 26 12:48:23 wb Mar 26 12:48:43 StsN800: http://s50.radikal.ru/i127/0903/88/8cb214adcf25.png Mar 26 12:48:43 you never explained your concept did you? Mar 26 12:49:17 hmm Mar 26 12:49:21 possible Mar 26 12:49:24 StsN800: sorry, had to leave mirc yesterday to help my friends immediately) Mar 26 12:49:34 i did consider a full screen switcher Mar 26 12:49:53 its fine, i was laying q Mar 26 12:50:04 with hard fever Mar 26 12:50:12 wazd, whats the notifier notifying downloads of? Mar 26 12:50:24 torrents? ;p Mar 26 12:50:41 well, I imagined this left zone as some pluginable status bar Mar 26 12:51:08 Like maemo has one now but not only for emails Mar 26 12:51:13 Like the notification area, you mean? :P Mar 26 12:51:30 GeneralAntilles: yea-yea Mar 26 12:51:44 the notification area is extremely difficult to put information in (apart from perhaps making a lemming dance simulator) Mar 26 12:52:04 If you'll have some downloading in your browser - it's status will be shown there Mar 26 12:52:17 wazd, secondary home applets maybe? Mar 26 12:52:18 what happens when you then open a torrent app Mar 26 12:52:21 does it get merged in? Mar 26 12:52:27 lcuk: well, how would I know that :P Mar 26 12:52:32 or if you start downloading emails? Mar 26 12:53:11 lcuk: their status will be added to the coloumn Mar 26 12:53:26 lcuk: but who cares if it's impossible to do :) Mar 26 12:53:58 no wazd, dont misinterpret me, i like it, i just want to see its limitations and practicalities Mar 26 12:54:38 And I've got some new "close" button style. More mystic :) Mar 26 12:54:44 its the sort of stuff that right now just lives on desktop applets Mar 26 12:55:19 lcuk: well, brower download progress surely does not live there :) Mar 26 12:55:49 "and on the maemo system to close an app you must pull the book in the centre of romantic novels 45 degrees whilst standing on the third shelf" Mar 26 12:56:13 I thought "magic close" (is there any more sane name for this? :P ) Mar 26 12:56:28 is good area for quick access Mar 26 12:56:42 for specific downloads, my browser gets more action than torrents ever will Mar 26 13:00:38 And I thought that tap-n-hold on magic (jeez) close for some configurable ammount of time would be great Mar 26 13:04:27 wazd, what happens when you just tap the magic button Mar 26 13:06:02 i do gather this isnt the actual close button for applications - its the alt-tab button thats currently in bottom left of diablo? Mar 26 13:06:33 the same one that pops up when you press home key Mar 26 13:07:06 yeah Mar 26 13:07:50 so you cannot close an app iwth a single tap anymore? or is this the magic that wazd is saying Mar 26 13:08:10 I like the idea of a notification area fed by dbus... setMessageFraction("Downloading", 0.3) setMessageInt("New Mail", 12) Mar 26 13:08:23 +1lbt Mar 26 13:08:33 theme the display (pie charts, bars) Mar 26 13:08:37 makes excellent use of the ipc framework Mar 26 13:08:54 several apps/widgets can listen and update information as required Mar 26 13:09:16 whether gtk qt or liq* or anything besides :) Mar 26 13:09:33 does gnome/kde have anything.... ubuntu/canonical had some bru-ha-ha on notifications from Mark a while back Mar 26 13:09:53 freedesktop has a Notifications interface Mar 26 13:09:59 worth a look anyhow Mar 26 13:10:38 What's wrong with Hildon's notification? Mar 26 13:10:40 yeah agreed Mar 26 13:11:23 lbt: freedesktop doesn't have one, there is a third-party spec that abuses the freedesktop.org namespace :P Mar 26 13:11:30 GeneralAntilles, its not the notification UI, its the way apps shout about their status Mar 26 13:11:42 lcuk, yes, what's wrong with it. Mar 26 13:11:56 lcuk: how often do you really really really want to close a window such that you aren't willing to tap twice? Mar 26 13:12:08 and how often does your system respond so poorly that you might accidentally tap once Mar 26 13:12:15 and how often do you want to undo an action Mar 26 13:12:26 and most critically, how expensive is Mar 26 13:12:42 GeneralAntilles, with hildon notifications they are simply displayed on the screen in one format, using the mechanism lbt just mentioned means different programs cal listen to those notifications and put that snippet into their ui whereever Mar 26 13:13:14 lcuk, perhaps somebody should propose or put together a patch for the Hildon notification plugin, then. Mar 26 13:13:19 timeless_mbp, i didnt know a double click closed iit - i was was talking Mar 26 13:13:37 given how lame the touch screens are Mar 26 13:13:38 GeneralAntilles, it has been less than 5 minutes before its mentioned ;) Mar 26 13:13:47 you really do not want to rely on double click for anything remotely destructive Mar 26 13:13:51 since it was ^ Mar 26 13:14:08 lcuk, well, they way you're talking about it it sounded like you had worked up a strong argument against it. Mar 26 13:14:11 s/they/the/ Mar 26 13:14:11 GeneralAntilles meant: lcuk, well, the way you're talking about it it sounded like you had worked up a strong argument against it. Mar 26 13:15:04 no gen, i worded it like i did because the hildon method is selfish and ONLY shows the information to hildon itself, the DBUS method is open and lets anyone listening react and respond to the events Mar 26 13:15:44 ie hildon could listen for those events and show notifications just like it does now Mar 26 13:16:03 but at the same time wazds little menu could also listen Mar 26 13:17:37 lcuk: " so you cannot close an app iwth a single tap anymore?" - well, tap-n-hold feature can fix this) Mar 26 13:19:02 ;) so the difference between listing the apps to switch between them and actually closing the current one depends on how long you hold your finger down :P Mar 26 13:20:35 vanishing anyway, bbl Mar 26 13:41:30 Anyone knows why an XP laptop would click (as in system beep/click) randomly, every now and then? Mar 26 13:42:08 RST38h: Page reload in browser. Mar 26 13:42:29 good idea, let us see Mar 26 13:42:48 no Mar 26 13:43:39 "US federal eggheads have proposed a novel method of preventing biometric ID systems being spoofed by the use of such things as contact lenses, fake fingerprints etc. Instead of easily-fooled systems of this sort, people should instead be identified using X-ray photographs of their knees." Mar 26 13:43:39 that's another sound, or did you turn off that sound? Mar 26 13:43:54 quit browser, no change Mar 26 13:44:07 let us try killing toshiba hd protection utility next Mar 26 13:44:13 RST38h: haha, cue disabled person without legs Mar 26 13:44:27 aquatix: this is worth a congress hearing. Mar 26 13:44:38 and x-ray... Mar 26 13:45:05 Cue impotence. Mar 26 13:45:06 * suihkulokki would rather lose a finger than kneekaps Mar 26 13:45:23 kneecaps, even Mar 26 13:49:03 Shit, where is that executable? Mar 26 13:51:23 RST38h: Spyware, banner clicker? Mar 26 13:51:37 hola Mar 26 13:55:21 X-Fade: Naah, the machine is all clean Mar 26 13:55:41 X-Fade: Looks like it is the Toshiba HDD Protection utility that parks HDD when movement occurs Mar 26 13:56:31 I turned off the annoying dialog box but apparently it still clicks Mar 26 14:02:10 hi.. someone from n800.de-forum has trouble with his n810.. the browser is not acting as it should.. so I told him to remove ~/.mozilla but no changes.. is there a way to reinstall it? Mar 26 14:07:19 how is it acting? Mar 26 14:15:40 the message: "is actualising" is permanently shown .. the window is empty and this proccess isn't able to stop.. Mar 26 14:15:46 RST38h: ^ Mar 26 14:16:29 /etc/init.d/tablet-browser-daemon restart **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Mar 26 14:18:21 2009 Mar 26 16:20:12 Atrus6: quiet :) Mar 26 16:20:12 Yeah, I guess Mar 26 16:20:24 'splitting Mar 26 16:20:24 :) Mar 26 17:21:54 "Your mail to 'maemo-users' is being held: Message body is too big: 23011 bytes with a limit of 20 KB" Mar 26 17:21:54 20kb seems really low Mar 26 17:21:54 X-Fade, can you change that to maybe 60? :-P Mar 26 17:48:23 hey guys I'm now working om a new package of graphviz for maemo but I get this config.log while configure fails in dpkg-buildpackage... http://pastebin.com/d52772e06 Mar 26 17:55:37 hi eichi Mar 26 18:01:24 A laptop without working suspend is about the most useless thing I can imagine. Mar 26 18:06:27 :D Mar 26 18:10:50 what would cause all the desktop applets to disappear and make the advanced-backlight icon change into the two original brigness/volume icons? Mar 26 18:11:21 dob, hilldon-desktop died (amd restarted) Mar 26 18:11:59 s/ll/l/ Mar 26 18:11:59 slonopotamus meant: dob, hildon-desktop died (amd restarted) Mar 26 18:12:46 slonopotamus: thanks, at least now I know what to blame :) Mar 26 18:14:25 dob, that often happens under high ram usage Mar 26 18:19:35 dob, one of your applets crashed Mar 26 18:19:42 and brought down hildon-desktop Mar 26 18:20:07 to prevent looping, it restarts with a default "safe" set of applets after an unclean exit. Mar 26 18:26:49 ga, to be more exact: one of (hildon-desktop + installed applets) died and took other applets with it :) Mar 26 18:27:35 hildon-desktop rarely crashes on its own Mar 26 18:27:48 90% of hildon-desktop crashes are caused by applets. Mar 26 18:28:20 Thankfully, Fremantle's improved desktop architecture will limit the scope of these applet-related crashes. Mar 26 18:28:56 no need to limit the scope, it just needs to keep a backup of its config file ;) like firefox does Mar 26 18:29:09 "your desktop crashed, do you wanna restore the last good applets" Mar 26 18:29:18 lcuk, so it can restart with the same applet that caused the crash? Mar 26 18:29:22 Um Mar 26 18:29:28 That makes no sense. Mar 26 18:29:30 * qwerty12 is reminded of Windows' active desktop recovery Mar 26 18:29:32 it doesnt know which applet caused it Mar 26 18:29:37 sometimes a crash is just a crash Mar 26 18:29:39 Say you have applets A, B, and C. Mar 26 18:29:56 heh yeah qwerty Mar 26 18:30:02 You add applets A and B and use a certain subset of their features for a few months Mar 26 18:30:03 its annoying to have everything removed though# Mar 26 18:30:08 lcuk: Applets can start to crash because of corrupted files for instance. Last known good list of applets isn't going to help there. Mar 26 18:30:20 xmms doesnt want to display the current playing time Mar 26 18:30:21 then you add applet C and start using another set of features in applet A Mar 26 18:30:26 anyone else have that issue Mar 26 18:30:29 agreed - but theres nothing wrong with asking the question Mar 26 18:30:29 This set of features in applet A causes the desktop to crash Mar 26 18:30:35 leaving a blank screen is worse :P Mar 26 18:30:42 So your "revert" idea would revert to applets A and B Mar 26 18:30:46 and not solve the crashing issue. Mar 26 18:30:51 lcuk, it doesn't leave a blank screen. Mar 26 18:30:52 agreed, so they say no Mar 26 18:31:00 but most of the times its fine Mar 26 18:31:01 It resets to a set of "known good" applets. Mar 26 18:31:35 my ide crashed and lost its settings the other day Mar 26 18:31:37 anyone use xmms here Mar 26 18:31:39 was v annoying \@/ Mar 26 18:46:51 hiya igagis, hows your theremin comin on Mar 26 18:47:03 and have you constructed any other instruments yet :D Mar 26 18:47:07 Hi lcuk Mar 26 18:47:25 no, I did not yet :-) Mar 26 18:47:50 have you seen the update for theremin? I added new instrument voice Mar 26 18:48:15 it sounds something similar to guitar string Mar 26 18:48:44 excellent, so you are making a nice little synth Mar 26 18:48:56 but not very close to guitar... it is just a simple string model... Mar 26 18:49:06 is that what you play tetris with here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUm6UVxoroM Mar 26 18:49:16 yes that is Mar 26 18:49:59 cool Mar 26 18:50:21 i still want to make something that responds to real strumming and picking with a plectrum Mar 26 18:50:26 i know the tech can handle it Mar 26 18:51:28 well, probably yes, but without multi touch it will be not a very convenient instrumetn Mar 26 18:51:31 anyone use xmms Mar 26 18:51:40 i am having an issue with playing time Mar 26 18:51:46 theremin suffers from that too Mar 26 18:53:24 igagis, why does a plectrum need multitouch? Mar 26 18:54:20 lcuk, plectrum does not but at the same time you need to finger the strings in some way Mar 26 18:55:01 lcuk, it is possible to make something like harp may be Mar 26 18:55:05 just use something like x position for the pitch - like you already do.. and then see whether the keyboard does chording Mar 26 18:55:48 well, yes, using keyboard for chording is a good idea Mar 26 18:56:05 frets on fire wants to do similar, but i worry about positioning Mar 26 18:57:11 I imagine FoF on N810... :-) holding the tablet like a guitar and hitting Enter key... :-) Mar 26 18:57:15 no one xmms? i havnt found a way to fix the issue online Mar 26 18:58:27 sorry Shadow__X i dunno what xmms even does Mar 26 18:58:36 music player Mar 26 18:58:36 let alone whether i use it :D Mar 26 18:58:38 the latest diablo is os2008 v4.2008.36-5? Mar 26 18:58:46 xmms is a music player, isn't it? Mar 26 18:59:30 yes Mar 26 19:00:03 I do not use it on N810, sorry Mar 26 19:01:57 lcuk, I don't clearly understand your idea about plectrum... Do you mean the screen has, say, 6 strings which are drawn horizontally and you can tap each string to produce sound? Mar 26 19:03:38 tapping is so slow, use the same flick awesome power that gets kinetic going - actually strum like you are strumming a guitar Mar 26 19:04:18 where you stroke and the speed you give it should make the noise Mar 26 19:04:38 well, strumming tablet screen will result in mouse click and mouse move events, so the instrument will have to interpret these events somehow Mar 26 19:04:50 i decided to "try" to remake puzznic :) the taito classic for a game for maemo : here's my mockup picture took me whole night to create it :x (i know i suck @ gfx) : http://users.telenet.be/IMS/N810/mockup.jpg Mar 26 19:05:14 igagis, yeah, thats the idea - currently in liqbase i store strokes as they occur and process them and do things with them Mar 26 19:05:19 i want it to make noise as well :) Mar 26 19:05:41 joyrider: looks nice Mar 26 19:06:04 well, you can make the noise :-) Mar 26 19:06:16 :D heh Mar 26 19:06:19 i do already Mar 26 19:07:21 yeah gfx isn't my best part though, but i'm proud of it :) plus i'll make it skinable so one could make better gfx :) given that i can make the logic work doesn't seem too hard but then again i'm a novice programmer :) Mar 26 19:07:40 lcuk, so what is the problem then :-) you've almost done your instrument then :-) Mar 26 19:08:29 "i do already" means i make noises myself, not i have coded them and got the computer to make them for me.. Mar 26 19:08:49 im a graphics person ;) Mar 26 19:09:02 lcuk, :-D Mar 26 19:09:15 oh intresting :) Mar 26 19:09:38 joyrider, wrong kind of graphics for you, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMXp0Dg_UaY Mar 26 19:09:40 hmm anyone use xmms Mar 26 19:09:41 i dont make clipart Mar 26 19:09:53 does anyone use their n8xx to listen to music Mar 26 19:09:54 lol Mar 26 19:10:02 igagis, your code is in c++, jagernot has some for his boxar which is in c Mar 26 19:10:24 are you using c++ because of the classes, or could your code be "downgraded" Mar 26 19:10:35 lcuk, yes, that's right. I just cannot code in C, I think in object way :-) Mar 26 19:10:53 i think in objects also (or at least try to lol) Mar 26 19:11:30 you can make dynamic libraries in c++ cant you Mar 26 19:11:50 yes I surely can Mar 26 19:12:04 cool :) Mar 26 19:13:06 by the way, I could try to export my sound code to .so and you could try using it in your app to produce sounds as in theremin app... Mar 26 19:13:33 so you could do your strumming instrument Mar 26 19:13:40 cool, im just wondering how we would interact with it Mar 26 19:13:52 wow just found a super cool program : creates game sounds : http://www.ludumdare.com/compo/2007/12/13/sfxr-sound-effects-for-all/ Mar 26 19:14:13 has presets for all kinds of things and works pretty well Mar 26 19:14:33 lcuk, it is possible to make clean C interface and expose it, instead of C++ Mar 26 19:15:17 not the language or api as such Mar 26 19:16:02 joyrider, I had a chance to play with that program before, It can produce some cool sounds yes Mar 26 19:16:21 yeah ive been looking for such kind of program for ages lol :) Mar 26 19:16:37 lcuk, if you have no problems using C++ then it is even easier Mar 26 19:17:11 im perfectly happy in lots of languages, i chose c simply because of speed of compilation Mar 26 19:17:27 you have a pm by the way Mar 26 19:18:31 lcuk, I see it now :-) Mar 26 19:21:41 ok how about this guys when using xmms and output plugin to esound output plugin it errors out Mar 26 19:22:45 i dunno, but esound itself works to some degree - boxar uses it Mar 26 19:22:56 hmm how can i test it Mar 26 19:22:59 what does he use Mar 26 19:23:08 i recently reinstalled so i could be missing something Mar 26 19:23:26 it uses esound Mar 26 19:23:35 i only remember because he was mad it might not be in fremantle Mar 26 19:24:02 what uses esound what other program can i install to make sure esound is working Mar 26 19:28:53 Shadow__X: boxar Mar 26 19:29:05 Shadow__X: another music instrument Mar 26 19:29:19 ah ok Mar 26 19:29:22 going to install that Mar 26 19:35:41 re Mar 26 19:50:37 ok Mar 26 19:50:41 this is bothersome Mar 26 19:50:52 i ran apt-get upgrade from root Mar 26 19:51:14 it then proceeding to go through my wizard mounted smb mount and try to delete everything Mar 26 19:51:19 can someone explain that Mar 26 19:52:14 Ummm... O_o Mar 26 19:52:18 Where's it mounted? Mar 26 19:52:37 home/user/My_docs/remote_fs/server Mar 26 19:53:00 What packages were upgraded? Mar 26 19:53:14 uh there was alot Mar 26 19:53:18 about 30 of them Mar 26 19:53:32 last time that happened i lost a TB worth of stuff Mar 26 19:53:37 this time its read only mounted Mar 26 19:53:39 thank goodness Mar 26 19:53:49 Well... it seems someone made a VERY BAD mistake when packaging something... Mar 26 19:54:03 i had to do dkpg --configure -a now Mar 26 19:54:11 because i had to stop upgrade Mar 26 19:54:38 which package was it last doing ? Mar 26 19:54:40 vnc viewer libgnokii4 libillumination vpnc0gui givemefive libcairoom1 maemo mapper Mar 26 19:55:01 joyrider, i dont remember because i just let it do its thing till i realized it was doing that again Mar 26 19:55:03 Shadow__X, didnt apt say something like "this update will cause serious problem, type 'i am god and i know what im doing' before installing? Mar 26 19:55:13 nope Mar 26 19:55:27 this happened afew days ago so its a well known app Mar 26 19:55:42 lcuk: you only get that when removing packages marked as essential Mar 26 19:56:09 its more than likely that you have a well known app and a dodgy repo - the well known app has deps that the dodgy repo can match, but the deps for that other dep are what causes the problems Mar 26 19:56:20 lol qwerty12_N800 thats the voice of experience :P Mar 26 19:56:44 scared the shit out of me when i saw it and dont tihnk ill ever ever risk doing it Mar 26 19:57:13 Now I really want to see this message :P Mar 26 19:57:13 i just used the repos from here Mar 26 19:57:22 http://www.gronmayer.com/it/index.php?lang=en&system=maemo4&sort=hits&show_pck=205 Mar 26 19:58:07 i used that site as well and it overwrote nokia's repos with the chinook one (instead of diablo) Mar 26 19:58:16 hmm Mar 26 19:58:31 so whats a good site Mar 26 19:58:31 that's why i couldn't find a-gps at first Mar 26 19:58:44 afaik that's the only one of it's kind i think Mar 26 19:58:51 best advice: ONLY use the nokia repos and if you have to use .install files check in your packagemanager afterwards to make sure you disable additional repos Mar 26 19:59:04 s/nokia/nokia or maemo/ Mar 26 19:59:04 lcuk meant: best advice: ONLY use the nokia or maemo repos and if you have to use .install files check in your packagemanager afterwards to make sure you disable additional repos Mar 26 19:59:57 but how can a package start deleting files on a mounted share anyway ? Mar 26 20:00:42 packages can include scripts which run in pre and post install cant they - isnt there something for uninstall as well Mar 26 20:00:55 and isnt it technical feasible for a script to do whatever the hell it wants Mar 26 20:01:04 post/pre rm Mar 26 20:01:21 yeah indeed preunins or something but then there must be something going awfully wrong Mar 26 20:02:21 your "wizard mounted smb mount" is linked where and how do you know it "tried" to delete stuff Mar 26 20:02:25 that that only happened recently Mar 26 20:02:31 ok Mar 26 20:02:56 btw, should we get the violins out? Mar 26 20:02:59 :D Mar 26 20:03:04 wizard mounter mounts its /My_Docs/Remote_FileSystem/Server/files Mar 26 20:03:15 i think wizard mounter mounts in docs/remote ... Mar 26 20:03:17 what he said ;) Mar 26 20:03:27 yeah Mar 26 20:03:28 also Mar 26 20:03:38 i know because is recursively went into that folder Mar 26 20:03:43 and tried to rm it Mar 26 20:03:53 because it said read only rm Mar 26 20:03:56 rm rm Mar 26 20:03:59 everywhere Mar 26 20:04:11 last time i mounted it as RW and it deleted a TB of stuff Mar 26 20:04:15 this time read only helped me Mar 26 20:05:13 u could try doing it again to figure out what the package is that's causing the problems, given you still now which ones you uninstalled :) Mar 26 20:05:14 is wizard mounter an app you installed or is it already somewhere on my system? Mar 26 20:05:32 it's an app Mar 26 20:05:32 i installed wizard mounter Mar 26 20:05:39 did u uninstall it again? Mar 26 20:05:48 no Mar 26 20:05:55 this was an upgrade that did it Mar 26 20:05:59 apt-get upgrade Mar 26 20:06:03 then i notcied this Mar 26 20:06:22 and it only tried to delete stuff from within the wizardmounter foledr? Mar 26 20:06:24 folder Mar 26 20:06:45 hmm lemme check i got wizard mounter installed also Mar 26 20:07:17 was wizardmounter included in the upgrade then Mar 26 20:08:37 i wonder if it has a new bullet point on its advertisement material "new algorithm creates additional space for all your new data" Mar 26 20:09:42 no wizard mounter didnt get updated Mar 26 20:09:48 lol Mar 26 20:11:55 Shadow__X: I'm the developer of wizard-mounter, what's the problem ? Mar 26 20:12:09 in which section should webcam programs be taken? user/multimedia or user/graphics? Mar 26 20:12:16 i dont think the issue is with wizard mounter Mar 26 20:12:24 nope it isn't just tested it Mar 26 20:12:42 but i did an upgrade and some program recursively went through my mounted dir and deleted files Mar 26 20:13:09 Shadow__X, you said it showed "rm rm" around, where did it show it Mar 26 20:13:16 thopiekar: What does the webcam program do? Mar 26 20:13:27 O_o Mar 26 20:13:43 when i did apt-get upgrade after it downloaded the apps to upgrade it started setting them up and i stopped looking but when i went back Mar 26 20:13:50 it was rm files Mar 26 20:14:00 within the smb mount dir Mar 26 20:14:14 webcamd: Capture images from video devices Mar 26 20:14:14 webcamd take images from your webcam and put it in your Mar 26 20:14:14 local web directory or upload it by FTP. Mar 26 20:14:14 thank goodness it mounts it as readonlyb Mar 26 20:14:25 befor i mounted it as RW and i lost a TB worth of stuff Mar 26 20:14:40 thopiekar, preview window and stuffs? Mar 26 20:14:48 or background Mar 26 20:15:24 lcuk: do want to know whether it has a gui? no.. Mar 26 20:15:43 thopiekar: I would say user/graphics... Although lcuk makes a good point... Mar 26 20:15:56 any ideas b0unc3 what would do that Mar 26 20:16:04 http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Package_categories#New_list_for_Diablo Mar 26 20:16:48 hmm or isn't it most of all user/network ? Mar 26 20:17:21 it fits in multitple categories Mar 26 20:17:37 hmm I think I would take network.. Mar 26 20:17:48 Shadow__X: hmmm... you have an n810 running diablo, right ? Mar 26 20:17:56 .yes sir Mar 26 20:21:33 Shadow__X am running an upgrade as well to see if it happens to me as well i got all those repos installed as well Mar 26 20:21:54 alright coo lthanks Mar 26 20:22:01 do you want the list of apps i have installed Mar 26 20:23:28 joyrider: I think you have to mount some smb to exactly reproduce the scenario... Mar 26 20:23:34 yeah Mar 26 20:23:39 i got one mounted Mar 26 20:23:47 its not wizard mounter its something going crazy Mar 26 20:23:53 joyrider, make sure its read only Mar 26 20:24:06 i back'upped the folder ;) Mar 26 20:24:36 Shadow__X: can you give me the list of your installed apps ? Mar 26 20:24:50 sure is there an easy way to do that Mar 26 20:24:52 ? Mar 26 20:25:13 dpkg -l > my-apps-list Mar 26 20:27:48 hmm damn i forgot to mount the share before running apt-get upgrade :x Mar 26 20:29:00 joyrider: :( Mar 26 20:29:20 accept Mar 26 20:29:52 I have accpted Mar 26 20:30:17 hmm maybe ports are the issue Mar 26 20:30:27 how should i send it to you Mar 26 20:30:31 mail Mar 26 20:30:39 carrier pigeon Mar 26 20:30:46 whats your address Mar 26 20:30:46 or paste into pastebin Mar 26 20:30:59 yeah paste to pastebin sounds better Mar 26 20:31:05 yeah Mar 26 20:31:12 pastebin.org? Mar 26 20:31:27 http://pastebin.com/ Mar 26 20:31:31 ah Mar 26 20:32:08 which pastebin allows me to upload a file Mar 26 20:32:47 copy/paste Mar 26 20:32:51 just copy / paste the contents of the file Mar 26 20:33:45 http://www.motivatedphotos.com/?id=8417 Mar 26 20:34:52 the maemo community is looking for talented students? :) Mar 26 20:35:50 summer of code?! hahaha Mar 26 20:35:56 wow... that's too much :) Mar 26 20:36:11 which part macer Mar 26 20:37:02 the part where it asks people to code for their summer :) Mar 26 20:37:35 some people have different motivations Mar 26 20:38:07 yeah. most people enjoy summer by going to florida and trying to have as much sex as possible before having to return to school Mar 26 20:38:18 i thought that was sprinbreak Mar 26 20:38:31 which is next week isnt it lol Mar 26 20:38:43 well.. i'm sure my idea is a lot more fun than sitting in a dark room writing maemo code :) Mar 26 20:38:56 how much do students get paid? Mar 26 20:39:24 * lcuk is signed up to be a mentor and doesnt know such things Mar 26 20:39:31 hmm Mar 26 20:39:50 # Receive some goodies (Book, t-shirt); Mar 26 20:39:53 # Receive some money; Mar 26 20:40:06 that's for the mentors.. the students are shit out of luck.. they just get to aid in careerism Mar 26 20:40:40 lcuk: 4.500$ iirc Mar 26 20:40:43 i mean.. volunteering to ruin your summer to code all day long? :) that is like... i don't even know how to describe the type of person i can see doing that Mar 26 20:41:05 4500 for 3 months?! :) Mar 26 20:41:10 thats what i thought it was b0unc3 Mar 26 20:41:18 Macer: geeks Mar 26 20:41:19 . Mar 26 20:41:20 :P Mar 26 20:41:25 Stskeeps: hahha! i didn't want to say it Mar 26 20:41:36 but i kept picturing the world of warcraft episode of south park Mar 26 20:42:30 3 months of coding during the nicest weather ... ouch. that's a rough life :) Mar 26 20:42:41 nicest weather? where? Mar 26 20:42:56 well.. here in chicago it's nice in the summer for the most part Mar 26 20:43:02 macer :) might i remind you that the richest person in the world at this point is a geek. as far as career choices go, theres plenty of worse options Mar 26 20:43:08 maybe in chicago... Mar 26 20:43:19 lcuk: jimmy buffet? Mar 26 20:43:25 lcuk: Like a lifeguard for example... Mar 26 20:43:27 :) Mar 26 20:43:43 * timeless_mbp grumbles Mar 26 20:43:47 Shadow__X did you paste it yet ? Mar 26 20:43:51 * timeless_mbp forgot to install zip/unzip in mer Mar 26 20:44:02 doh! timeless_mbp Mar 26 20:44:08 lcuk: i thought jimmy buffet was the richest man Mar 26 20:44:16 gates retook it Mar 26 20:44:21 what should i use to copy and paste Mar 26 20:44:23 how? he doesn't even work anymore haha Mar 26 20:44:27 lcuk: i ended up using a usb stick and host to work around it Mar 26 20:44:39 but by the time i got that done, it was time to walk home and use wifi to install zip/unzip Mar 26 20:44:44 lol Mar 26 20:44:54 jimmy buffet was no geek. ;) he went to florida and went hoe chasing while bill was in a dark room coding Mar 26 20:44:59 not the first time this week i've done something like that Mar 26 20:45:00 so i guess either choice can wind up in the same place Mar 26 20:45:06 but i'm sure buffet had a lot more fun Mar 26 20:45:09 Shadow__X how do u mean ? Mar 26 20:45:17 earlier i had a "long" task, and wanted my mbp to keep working even if i closed the lid Mar 26 20:45:28 by the time i found an app capable of doing that, my task had finished... Mar 26 20:46:00 i don't know why i kept saying jimmy.. i meant warren Mar 26 20:46:05 Macer,lcuk: Recent college survey shows that geeks do pretty well in terms of getting laid, not sure if this equates to fun lifestyles in terms of your argument Mar 26 20:46:07 joyrider, what app can i use to open the file notes wont do it Mar 26 20:46:13 macer, coding and sex are not mutually exclusive, though admittedly its a little difficult doing both at the same time Mar 26 20:46:30 RST38h, never once said it wasnt lol Mar 26 20:46:46 lcuk: psh, just bring a laptop Mar 26 20:47:03 Mexican telecom titan Carlos Slim HelĂș maintains his spot in the top three but lost $25 billion. Mar 26 20:47:15 wow.. mexican telcom titan? :) Mar 26 20:47:18 Shadow__X erh can't transfer it to your pc and open it there and then paste into pastebin from the pc (so not with the tablet) Mar 26 20:47:28 he is getting paid by the cartel haha Mar 26 20:47:29 can't you* Mar 26 20:47:37 mexicans don't have phones Mar 26 20:47:38 Macer: Surely, he has found a way to fax drugs via transatlantic cables Mar 26 20:47:45 RST38h: haha Mar 26 20:47:53 they just look ilke cables Mar 26 20:47:58 they're actually high pressure air tubes ;) Mar 26 20:48:23 wheres senator ted stevens when we need him Mar 26 20:48:23 zipping kilograms of cocaine across the border at the speed of sound Mar 26 20:48:49 no fair though. gates took it just because buffet took a hard hit haha Mar 26 20:48:53 http://pastebin.com/d77a8f3c0 Mar 26 20:49:00 sod that, theres just one great big bong down in south america, its piped up - you see the gases escape from city streets sometimes ;) Mar 26 20:50:20 lcuk: you do not see that Mar 26 20:50:33 lcuk: The gases are actually being redirected to US coastal areas Mar 26 20:50:49 lcuk: That is where they escape with enourmous evil sounding whistling Mar 26 20:52:09 ah well.. i'm off to my gf's house.. :) later Mar 26 20:57:07 anyone look at my pastebin Mar 26 20:58:03 joyrider: your desktop file for rubido says: "Exec=usr/games/rubido/rubido" instead of "Exec=/usr/games/rubido/rubido" whic results in it not starting from the menu Mar 26 20:58:15 ah crap Mar 26 20:58:18 Shadow: what of it? Mar 26 20:58:19 ok goana change that Mar 26 20:58:20 s/whic/which/ Mar 26 20:58:20 qwerty12_N800 meant: joyrider: your desktop file for rubido says: "Exec=usr/games/rubido/rubido" instead of "Exec=/usr/games/rubido/rubido" which results in it not starting from the menu Mar 26 20:59:21 RST38h, you might not of read it but i upgraded using apt-get upgrade and in the process it decided to goto My_Docs/Remote_Filesystem/share and recursively delete everything on my mounted fs Mar 26 20:59:55 hehe Mar 26 21:00:27 this time it was mounted as read only Mar 26 21:00:32 last time it deleted 1TB of stuff Mar 26 21:01:01 it didnt delete anything then, are we looking for a needle in a haystack Mar 26 21:02:01 lcuk, the last time it did delee stuff this time it tried Mar 26 21:02:10 it shouldnt try to delete my mounted fs Mar 26 21:02:28 qwerty12_N800 if i upload a new version of the package will the previous one be automaticly removed ? Mar 26 21:02:29 Anyone knows why Yahoo Weather shows me in Cockeysville, MD? Is it trying to TELL me something? Mar 26 21:03:12 Shadow: Well, to begin with you probably know that apt-get upgrade is not recommended? Mar 26 21:03:25 it isnt? Mar 26 21:03:29 Shadow: no Mar 26 21:03:34 its a debian system why would that be bad Mar 26 21:03:48 joyrider: your new version gets added & people using the old version will be asked to upgrade when their repo lists get updated Mar 26 21:03:54 run it again and see if it tries again ;) Mar 26 21:03:54 Shadow: Furthermore, do you have extras-devel enabled? Mar 26 21:04:07 ok thanks qwerty12_N800 Mar 26 21:06:16 RST38h, yes it was there but i dont understand why upgrade is bad Mar 26 21:06:19 its debian Mar 26 21:06:25 thats perfectly fine with debian Mar 26 21:06:27 Shadow: Maemo is NOT Debian Mar 26 21:06:35 its built on it Mar 26 21:06:46 Shadow: And doing apt-get upgrade with extras-devel enabled is a sure recipe for disaster Mar 26 21:07:09 crap i did the same :x Mar 26 21:07:15 ok Mar 26 21:07:38 fine about the repo but isnt maemo built on debian? Mar 26 21:07:54 Shadow: Now, having remote links in My_Docs is another bad idea Mar 26 21:08:06 Given how Maemo apps treat My_Docs a little bit differently Mar 26 21:08:23 RST38h, thats how wizard mounter does it automatically Mar 26 21:08:36 Shadow: unmount everything before upgrade then Mar 26 21:08:46 fine Mar 26 21:09:10 so is there any place that ican read that upgrade isnt recommended Mar 26 21:09:31 basically, if none of your system-specific directories contain weird stuff and you only have extras enabled, then apt-get upgrade will not kill you Mar 26 21:09:34 most of the time, anyway Mar 26 21:09:48 ok Mar 26 21:10:06 but what is meant my weird stuff Mar 26 21:10:10 upgrade isn't recommended because it may accidentally bring wrong packages from some rogue repos Mar 26 21:10:30 so just use application manageR? Mar 26 21:10:36 This is ESPECIALLY true for extras-devel that contains lots of unstable versions of system packages Mar 26 21:10:51 Yes, use app manager, unless you are absolutely sure about what you are doing Mar 26 21:11:05 what good things does extras-devel have then Mar 26 21:11:14 beta software Mar 26 21:11:17 ah Mar 26 21:11:31 i mean i have been running linux systems for years and have never seen that Mar 26 21:11:31 basically, if you do not know what extras-devel contains - you do not need to enable it Mar 26 21:14:55 qwerty12_N800 znax suffers the same error will fix both of them Mar 26 21:16:49 Lol, it does, but znax starts fine for me :) Mar 26 21:17:22 weird :) Mar 26 21:18:02 But cool games, thanks for them :) Mar 26 21:18:07 np :) Mar 26 21:18:49 am currently trying to make a new game ... a puzznic remake http://users.telenet.be/IMS/N810/mockup.jpg Mar 26 21:19:34 * RST38h needs to catch wazd and plead to him to make the last two missing calculator skins Mar 26 21:20:10 Tried bribing with vodka? :P Mar 26 21:21:03 qwerty: Not yet but I am slowly getting there Mar 26 21:21:12 which fields was it again that i need to add in the control file to create a "change log tab" ? can't seem to find the page anymore describing it Mar 26 21:22:29 joyrider: XB-Maemo-Upgrade-Description Mar 26 21:22:52 aha thanks Mar 26 21:37:39 "Acclaimed game designer Hideo Kojima says he's recruiting Western developers to add their software specialization expertise to the next entry in the Metal Gear series." Mar 26 21:38:14 (BFG9000 and driving cars over nude blondes are coming to the next Metal Gear release =)) Mar 26 21:43:29 Does Ksusha here? Mar 26 21:43:55 joyrider: I'm looking at your puzznic mockup screen... I would suggest you to make background more dark, so it would not mix up with foreground items Mar 26 21:44:38 ah darker ok can do that will try it out after i fixed my packages Mar 26 21:45:20 joyrider: do you have other games already in extras repo? Mar 26 21:45:43 yes in extra's developpers znax and rubido Mar 26 21:46:12 * igagis going to check these games Mar 26 21:46:30 but there's a problem with both of them i forgot to add a / to the /usr/bin... path Mar 26 21:46:39 in the desktop file Mar 26 21:46:42 :-) Mar 26 21:47:02 I could try to run them directly from /usr/bin Mar 26 21:47:06 :-) Mar 26 21:47:14 yes of course :) Mar 26 21:55:55 joyrider: I installed games but I cannot see znax and rubido executables in /usr/bin Mar 26 21:56:19 they are in /usr/bin/games/znax and /usr/bin/games/rubido Mar 26 21:56:25 Ok Mar 26 21:56:58 igagis Mar 26 21:57:06 sorry /usr/games/znax Mar 26 21:57:06 ? Mar 26 21:57:10 :-) Mar 26 21:57:17 Ok ;-) Mar 26 22:04:20 joyrider: in znax what should I do if there is no rectangles left? Mar 26 22:04:41 there really aren't any left ? Mar 26 22:05:04 I always have 1 or 2 in best case right after game start Mar 26 22:05:10 rectangles of the same color Mar 26 22:05:34 just the corners needs to be the same colors Mar 26 22:05:45 the inside can have diffrent colors Mar 26 22:05:58 Ok, will try that Mar 26 22:06:47 yes it works... it was not obvious for me... Mar 26 22:06:59 but looks interesting now :-) Mar 26 22:07:05 hehe :) Mar 26 22:07:09 after I know how to play Mar 26 22:07:30 yeah i should think about creating ingame help system Mar 26 22:07:42 but i list it most of the time on my website Mar 26 22:08:07 I haven't visited your website, so I did not know that Mar 26 22:08:35 It would be good to add a "how to play" menu item in the main menu Mar 26 22:08:42 with gameplay description Mar 26 22:09:02 some people may be confused just like me :-) Mar 26 22:09:33 yeah i didn't do it because on the gp2x people had to download it from an archive or my website and i included a readme in the zip files so they could read that :) Mar 26 22:09:46 those 2 games are games i made for the gp2x initially Mar 26 22:09:59 what os gp2x? Mar 26 22:10:03 linsux Mar 26 22:10:04 arm linux Mar 26 22:10:04 what is* Mar 26 22:10:12 ah, ok Mar 26 22:10:16 it's a korean handheld Mar 26 22:10:28 I see Mar 26 22:10:50 but gp2x isn't sold anymore because they're about to release the wiz (the successor to the gp2x) Mar 26 22:10:53 joyrider: you can have a text file displayed during install, google maemo-confirm-text Mar 26 22:11:03 ah Mar 26 22:11:11 will do that Mar 26 22:11:48 Actually when installing I read 'info' tab in app manager, but there's nothing about corners of the rectangle... I read that info twice to figure out how to play... :-) Mar 26 22:12:01 i'll add it Mar 26 22:12:08 though, if you use set -e, you'll wanna run it with '|| true' on the end :) Mar 26 22:16:00 qwerty12_N800 found the maemo page explaining it but i don't quite understand this sentence : (english isn't my native language) : In order to use maemo-confirm-text in postinst, Depends should be included in the "maemo-installer-utils" package <- does that mean i should add maemo-installer-utils to the dependencies ? Mar 26 22:19:40 joyrider: yeah, and then just add maemo-confirm-text to your postinst. When you press cancel, it exits with 1 so if you're using it to just display a text file, use: "maemo-confirm-text || true" Mar 26 22:20:03 ok thanks Mar 26 22:42:35 * thopiekar has uploaded: ctorrent buildtorrent and webcamd to MEA today... Mar 26 23:13:19 hiya Mar 26 23:13:27 I see there are plenty of GSoC proposals Mar 26 23:13:33 and a few are touching hwr Mar 26 23:13:58 I'm actually working on one (in Python) Mar 26 23:14:10 any mentor? :) Mar 26 23:16:30 oh btw, I was considering tracing for this project too Mar 26 23:16:51 but I had to pick from these two - decided to go with hwr Mar 27 01:53:50 i submitted my gsoc proposal :) Mar 27 01:54:57 cool, what project do you want to work on ? Mar 27 01:57:44 z4chh: awsome :) Mar 27 01:57:49 * b-man resumes compiling Mar 27 01:57:59 Lanza, liqbase Mar 27 01:58:34 :) Mar 27 01:59:44 Is the source for "Marbles" available somewhere ? Mar 27 01:59:52 I love that game, but can't find it anywhere :-P Mar 27 02:00:05 @z4chh: looks cool, best of luck Mar 27 02:01:06 thanks Lanza :D Mar 27 02:48:03 anybody know how to slow down flite speech rate? Mar 27 02:48:56 drug her! Mar 27 02:54:21 RST38h: her?! Mar 27 02:54:37 benson: well, I am assuming he is using a female voice in flite Mar 27 02:54:51 flite has one voice compiled in. Mar 27 02:54:55 BTW, anyone knows why would FF3 be constantly writing to disk on XP? Mar 27 02:55:03 And it's *not* female. Mar 27 02:55:03 * RST38h never really used flite Mar 27 02:55:14 (Not male, either, though.) Mar 27 02:55:23 ok, drug him or it or whatever was compiled in Mar 27 02:55:53 skibur_: you can pipe it through sox... Mar 27 02:56:08 ? Mar 27 02:56:10 sox? Mar 27 02:56:15 * benson looks for some lame scripts he had to do that job... Mar 27 02:57:28 checking... Mar 27 02:58:15 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=136405 Mar 27 02:59:18 It's pretty old, I haven't messed with it since Diablo, at least. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Mar 27 02:59:57 2009