**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Mar 30 02:59:57 2009 Mar 30 04:32:58 hey folks Mar 30 04:56:59 are there any parts of the Bluetooth framework on Maemo that are closed source? Mar 30 06:12:53 hi frendz Mar 30 06:13:34 hello Mar 30 06:15:47 moo all Mar 30 06:15:49 is frethop around ? Mar 30 06:17:17 can somebudy help me reagrding gsoc project "bluetooth audio speaker" Mar 30 06:18:10 you probably want lardman Mar 30 06:19:06 hi i'm trying out maemo5-alpha sdk on ubuntu-8.10 but i'm not able to install nokia-binaries.. http://maemo.pastebin.com/m3ed75876 what could i be doing wrong here? Mar 30 06:19:17 RST38h: is he around ? Mar 30 06:21:00 care to do /whois lardman ? Mar 30 06:28:38 hey qwerty12 Mar 30 06:28:48 hi jaem Mar 30 06:29:06 * jaem is reading through bluetooth specs, and is annoyed at the lack of docs on bluez Mar 30 06:37:17 ifelipe: will u plz help me with gsoc project "implmnt bluetooth speaker support" ? Mar 30 06:37:35 lfelipe: will u plz help me with gsoc project "implmnt bluetooth speaker support" ? Mar 30 06:44:36 is lfelipe around ? Mar 30 07:00:02 sp3000: ping Mar 30 07:02:04 re Mar 30 07:25:35 morning all Mar 30 07:44:46 Morning, al Mar 30 07:44:47 l Mar 30 07:46:45 morning Mar 30 07:54:05 good morning Mar 30 07:54:06 Man, not having fans blaring all night leads to some quality shut eye Mar 30 07:54:40 yeah, i did away with 24/7 machines in my apartment some years ago Mar 30 07:54:46 improved my sleeping immensely Mar 30 07:56:09 Waking up to more itT insanity puts a dampener on it, though. Mar 30 07:56:45 hello Mar 30 07:56:59 is there no pidgin update for maemo? Mar 30 07:57:05 It disturbs me greatly that so many people could have it so _wrong_ Mar 30 07:57:06 cant use it anymore for icq Mar 30 08:13:46 anybody here know of a linux NAS distro Mar 30 08:13:49 like freenas? Mar 30 08:14:30 openfiler Mar 30 08:16:27 hm.. Stskeeps is it any good? Mar 30 08:16:32 Ah, NOW the Mini decides to boot. Mar 30 08:18:58 Stskeeps: i will be happy if it can use my 8TB to its fullest Mar 30 08:19:13 esxi is running like shit. i put in an intel server nic and am getting 7MB/s over a gbit nework Mar 30 08:19:44 GeneralAntilles: no explosions yet? Mar 30 08:19:57 Macer: no clue. i use nexenta Mar 30 08:20:10 Stskeeps, well, they may have been, but I just haven't noticed yet Mar 30 08:22:00 Stskeeps: wow.. that looks pretty badass Mar 30 08:22:06 Hum, E71x for $99 Mar 30 08:22:38 gnu opensolaris? :) Mar 30 08:22:46 yeah Mar 30 08:23:15 would i be lost in the sauce trying to use it? Mar 30 08:23:29 i doubt it would even support my areca raid Mar 30 08:26:15 Stskeeps: you actually use that as your OS on your box? Mar 30 08:30:04 i will try openfiler first.. that does look very interesting though Stskeeps Mar 30 08:32:47 morning \o Mar 30 08:33:55 mrh Mar 30 08:47:47 Myrtti, its monday mornin you have to speak a real language :P Mar 30 08:49:13 lcuk: i guess we need to apply more coffee/strong tea to Myrtti first ;) Mar 30 08:49:21 painkillers. Mar 30 08:50:01 I'm slowly starting to think that if I stabbed my bum with a kitchen knife, the pain would probably be smaller and less constant that without stabbing it Mar 30 08:50:16 fscking piriformis/sciatica Mar 30 08:51:07 :( Myrtti Mar 30 08:51:37 aquatix, if we applied strong coffee to myrttis sore area Im sure we would be in serious trouble as soon as she can move again Mar 30 08:51:46 infact, now might be our only chance :D Mar 30 08:52:42 Myrtti, take this as a sign you need a trip to ikea for a better comfortable chair Mar 30 08:52:50 ouch, indeed ;) Mar 30 08:53:05 Myrtti: is it chronic with you? Mar 30 08:53:15 * aquatix has similar backpains now and then Mar 30 08:53:26 aquatix: yes, for year and a half now Mar 30 08:53:56 but that's mostly when i forget my posture Mar 30 08:54:02 Myrtti: :( Mar 30 08:54:07 i did my back no favours years ago - i "rescued" my son from a climbing frame, then jumped down with him in my arms Mar 30 08:54:28 not far, but enough to compress it all :'( Mar 30 08:54:34 * lcuk still regrets that decision Mar 30 08:54:55 all I did was to do leg press excercise with a bad back Mar 30 08:55:06 :( Mar 30 08:55:27 lost my right foot for four months and limped for six Mar 30 08:55:33 ouch :/ Mar 30 08:55:49 on the good side Mar 30 08:56:06 epilating my right leg is quite fun since I can't feel the outer side of it Mar 30 08:56:42 and I can feel my toes nowadays Mar 30 09:02:05 Sweet, an Antonov just passed over my house at a few 100m ;) Mar 30 09:02:54 Fun Mar 30 09:03:23 Always fun to see the massive row of tires. Mar 30 09:05:21 I grew up under a flight path for the local municipal airport Mar 30 09:05:44 I miss the sound of Cessnas flying over all day. Mar 30 09:06:08 Well we don't see them that much. There is this military airport where it lands, which is about 10KM from here.. Mar 30 09:06:33 Probably dropping off 3 apaches returning from Afganistan. Mar 30 09:07:42 Yeah, had the military airport, too (MacDill) which brought out the F-16s, and the Blackhawks, plus the Coast Guard station and the international airport . . . lots of airtraffic come to think of it. Mar 30 09:09:29 x-fade, get your remote out and try to take control Mar 30 09:10:02 s/remote/N810/ ? ;) Mar 30 09:10:29 o_O not a bad idea gen Mar 30 09:10:39 could use it for store and replay aerobatics Mar 30 09:10:48 Ha Mar 30 09:10:56 needs multitouch or a decent dpad tho ;) Mar 30 09:11:14 lcuk's going to try to fly his $1500 gas-powered RC chopper with his N810 now Mar 30 09:11:28 using ad-hoc Mar 30 09:11:31 and will instantly crash it upsidedown into the grass. Mar 30 09:11:55 have you seen ppl flying upsidedown doing grasscutting with RC helis? Mar 30 09:12:01 GeneralAntilles: Well, with a 3-axis gyro which is supposed to be in RX-51. ;) Mar 30 09:12:08 lcuk: Yep, I have seen that. Mar 30 09:12:10 Hehe Mar 30 09:12:26 Yeah, there's a local RC club that meets up in a giant field in north county Mar 30 09:12:56 I've even flown one for a bit. ;) Mar 30 09:13:04 why anyone would want to come so close to smashing up 100/0's of poundso f equipment i dunno Mar 30 09:13:27 "mayday, mayday" Mar 30 09:13:33 lcuk, ever seen stunt pilots fly real choppers? :P Mar 30 09:13:34 lcuk: Bladescrapes on the pavement are also the thing to do ;) Mar 30 09:14:40 Like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QsFXa0PiRA Mar 30 09:16:06 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1-3w8TaNmk Mar 30 09:16:37 I wonder whether AT&T is going to charge for the more expensive data plan for the E71x Mar 30 09:16:56 Anyone here understand ldap? Mar 30 09:17:01 and whether I care since I'm going to have to pay it anyway with the RX-51 Mar 30 09:19:37 hm, data plan with the rx-51? Mar 30 09:19:47 * aquatix just wants a tablet with no strings attached Mar 30 09:20:00 scissors? Mar 30 09:20:09 aquatix, well, I want data, some I'm going to need to pay for it Mar 30 09:20:17 ah blisssssssss the painkillers work Mar 30 09:20:19 just because the option is there doesn't mean you need to use it. Mar 30 09:21:43 Myrtti: \o/ Mar 30 09:21:48 GeneralAntilles: true Mar 30 09:21:59 GeneralAntilles: just hope it's an option :) Mar 30 09:22:06 otoh, flatfee 3G... Mar 30 09:22:20 aquatix, there's no way they'll require some sort of contract. Mar 30 09:22:31 but that'll take a while before it's here Mar 30 09:22:39 (rx-51 that is) Mar 30 09:22:49 aquatix: Although maybe you can get an rx-51 with a plan for cheap ;) Mar 30 09:23:10 X-Fade: maybe, but then i'll have to wait till the official release Mar 30 09:23:15 got my n810 in the US Mar 30 09:31:29 You gotta be kidding me Mar 30 09:31:29 another damn power outage Mar 30 09:32:27 GeneralAntilles: Get a diesel generator ;) Mar 30 09:32:57 X-Fade, hehe, then suffocate myself on carbonmonoxide? Mar 30 09:33:12 I didn't say you need to put it in the same room ;) Mar 30 09:33:28 X-Fade, small apartment, 3rd floor. Mar 30 09:33:49 GeneralAntilles: Hang it over the balcony? :) Mar 30 09:34:16 Or attached to the outside wall just like AC units.. Mar 30 09:34:35 No balcony. :P Mar 30 09:34:52 Nice, looks like we only lost a phase, though. Mar 30 09:34:59 Power's still on in the bedroom. Mar 30 09:35:21 lunch! Mar 30 09:35:45 yEs! Mar 30 09:40:45 hi alterego Mar 30 09:44:49 morning, all Mar 30 09:45:24 hey ya Mar 30 09:45:31 morning VDVsx Mar 30 09:46:36 morning VDVsx Mar 30 09:47:21 Stskeeps, we have mer already ? :p Mar 30 09:47:30 uploading the testing images atm Mar 30 09:48:21 * VDVsx want to test mer 0.11 Mar 30 09:48:40 hey is anidel around ? :) Mar 30 09:49:40 ~seen anidel Mar 30 09:49:42 anidel was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 19d 11h 15m 52s ago, saying: 'b-man will do'. Mar 30 09:49:53 ohh :) Mar 30 09:50:04 ill mail him probably :) Mar 30 09:50:11 better e-mail him, I think:p Mar 30 09:50:32 thanks :P Mar 30 10:10:53 hi. should gcov work without problems in scratchbox? Mar 30 10:20:56 hi, all, I want to invite you to visit my gsoc application site:http://sites.google.com/site/derkaisersfunnygsoclife/. And please feel free to give comments on my proposal, 3x~ Mar 30 10:21:08 http://sites.google.com/site/derkaisersfunnygsoclife/ Mar 30 10:22:28 derkaiser: hint: s/Mameo/Maemo/ Mar 30 10:22:29 :P Mar 30 10:24:06 heh Mar 30 10:24:46 Is your named spelled right ;? Mar 30 10:25:06 and of personal interest - you mention a paper, where was it published, since i have difficulties finding it in journals Mar 30 10:25:29 yes, because it is still in submission~ Mar 30 10:25:34 gah! i wrote a v small program to do a small but tricky job sometime in the last 4 years. its gone missing! Mar 30 10:25:39 and 3x for your suggestions,:) Mar 30 10:26:10 fair enough Mar 30 10:26:38 good morning Mar 30 10:26:54 oh, it is afternoon here, beijing:) Mar 30 10:27:31 derkaiser: I guessw e have UGT here anyway :-) Mar 30 10:27:41 Fwiw, the first sentence w/ your name is wrong Mar 30 10:28:15 My name is ... As a something Mar 30 10:28:31 as requires more from a sentence Mar 30 10:28:55 You might have meant to write "i am" instead Mar 30 10:29:45 oh, it seems I modified so many times and still leave some errors there~3x, timelE61i:) Mar 30 10:30:11 Quotation marks should be around the thing they quote:,like "this quote" Mar 30 10:31:01 * Stskeeps notes it's notoriously difficult to put back a key on a keyboard when you're either 1) stoned or 2) have a fever Mar 30 10:31:09 Btw, what's a plaNtform? Is it some specially shaped leafy thing? Mar 30 10:31:16 green platforms Mar 30 10:31:34 ok, I will fix those~ 3x Mar 30 10:32:23 the parenthetical suffers from a few other errors Mar 30 10:32:38 You must not write "may can" Mar 30 10:32:53 And you confused form and from Mar 30 10:33:23 is lfelipe around? Mar 30 10:33:26 yes, it should be maybe but not "may" ~ Mar 30 10:35:27 I'm so careless~~:( Mar 30 10:36:15 * lcuk curses 17th january 2006 Mar 30 10:44:09 lcuk: ?! Mar 30 10:44:23 kids! Mar 30 10:45:07 morning keesj Mar 30 10:45:11 hi Mar 30 10:45:19 heh florian, i wrote a simple function to parse through a complete object model and insert a specific function ages ago, i have a v similar problem now and all i can discover is the change log entry, the modified files, but i cant find the damned parser i used Mar 30 10:45:34 Hey, keesj. Mar 30 10:45:39 and it all happened on 17jan Mar 30 10:46:07 lcuk: heh Mar 30 10:48:29 lcuk is on a different planet talking with different pleople about things WE don't yet understand but that just fine Mar 30 10:49:03 gan? Mar 30 10:49:09 derkaiser: I looked at the video of what you did with this media streamer. I didn't quite get it Mar 30 10:49:12 Talk me through firewire disk mode? Mar 30 10:49:49 keesj, same planet, different language ;) Mar 30 10:49:54 or is visual basic not a language :P Mar 30 10:50:53 timelE61i, plug the cable into both computers, turn off the computer you want to be the dumb disk, the turn it back on hold down T. Mar 30 10:51:46 keesj, it's something like a radio which receive the information from the broadcast station. Mar 30 10:51:53 * RST38h uses the occassion to moo at lcuk Mar 30 10:52:10 mornin rst Mar 30 10:52:15 * timelE61i does so (from apple instructions) Mar 30 10:53:02 because my supervisor ask me not add any audio annotation into the demo vedio, so I think most of people who have not used the system yet can not know what it is,:( Mar 30 10:53:09 * RST38h goes over recent conspiracy threads on itt Mar 30 10:53:35 * RST38h strokes his crystal balls and cackles satisfied Mar 30 10:53:41 lcuk an other language http://www.paste-it.net/raw/public/n74b1a4/ Mar 30 10:53:48 RST38h, maemo.org will eat your family. Mar 30 10:54:03 * keesj looked at the liqbase you yesterday... Mar 30 10:54:09 GAN: You mean, before I do it MYSELF? Mar 30 10:54:38 it looks like c code to me Mar 30 10:55:08 keesjL this looks like generic C++-like comment block to me Mar 30 10:55:11 hi guys, does bluemaemo suppots HFP ? Mar 30 10:55:18 Can belong to any language that supports // comments Mar 30 10:59:05 * Stskeeps watches mer 0.11testing1 boot Mar 30 10:59:38 i so need a new n800. the scrolling is getting worse. Mar 30 10:59:56 or need to talk to my brother the electric engineer Mar 30 11:00:44 Stskeeps, go beg a tablet from Nokia. ;) Mar 30 11:01:35 keesj, liqbase is the first app ive written in c since i played on my amiga in the late 90s Mar 30 11:03:08 none of this helps me though cos i still cant find that damned function i need Mar 30 11:05:35 right, 0.11testing1 for those that want to test: http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Releases/0.11testing1 Mar 30 11:09:18 'lo khertan Mar 30 11:09:33 Hello ! Mar 30 11:09:46 Man it's obnoxious when you only remember that somebody has you on ignore after you've typed up a long response to their post. . . . Mar 30 11:09:57 x-fade: auto builder seems dead Mar 30 11:10:29 'lo stskeeps Mar 30 11:11:23 Khertan: There is an enormous queue: https://garage.maemo.org/extras-assistant/index.php Mar 30 11:11:30 Let me see what is cooking ;) Mar 30 11:12:03 did you think it s a good idea to made a preoloader daemon for mcalendar ? as it s take 12s to be launched nd only 1s with a daemon Mar 30 11:12:32 Khertan: Can you use the python preloading thingy? Mar 30 11:12:33 x-fade : a long queue which has not move this since 4 hours Mar 30 11:13:10 khertan, have you checked where your startup time comes from? (is that even possible with python?) Mar 30 11:13:13 the preloading python-launcher doesn t really improve things ... only 9s with it Mar 30 11:13:34 the preloading time come from all import Mar 30 11:13:36 would it be possible to "cheat" the user by displaying the ui but using a small cache table in your database showing current weekview or something Mar 30 11:14:05 nope as i need to importg hildon and gtk before Mar 30 11:14:15 what startup time do you have if you dont open database? Mar 30 11:14:23 or is it the hildon and gtk stuff itself Mar 30 11:14:25 which take arround 6 or 7s Mar 30 11:14:32 ouch Mar 30 11:14:45 yep Mar 30 11:14:53 as you said ... ouch Mar 30 11:15:09 Khertan: But opening hildon and gtk should be cached by the python-loader ? Mar 30 11:15:18 if i do dameon waiting a dbus command just doing the import of gtk Mar 30 11:15:26 and hildon Mar 30 11:15:31 it takes 1 or 2s Mar 30 11:15:56 x-fade: it should ... Mar 30 11:16:03 didnt you make mcalendar desktop widget? Mar 30 11:16:12 wouldnt that class itself as a preloader ;) Mar 30 11:16:24 lcuk: there is one Mar 30 11:16:34 it couold be a preloader Mar 30 11:17:04 mind you, then you just slow the actual startup time down considerably Mar 30 11:17:10 *whole system Mar 30 11:17:16 but i m splitted between using more memory Mar 30 11:17:24 or speedinhg launch Mar 30 11:17:50 its probably academic, but has anyone actually tracked the calls through gtk and hildon and found out what the problem is? Mar 30 11:21:15 i'm back Mar 30 11:21:21 with a real connection ... sorry Mar 30 11:22:13 the real problem is the gtk and hildon binding Mar 30 11:22:38 and making a daemon is one of the answer ... Mar 30 11:23:17 but i think that keeping a daemon which do the import use to many memory Mar 30 11:23:46 from what i see my own daemon which replace python-launcher seems more performant :) Mar 30 11:23:55 Khertan: About the builder. Somehow it has a lot that is so high, it doesn't even allow me to login ;) Mar 30 11:23:56 maybe i should finalize it ... Mar 30 11:24:03 X-Fade: lol Mar 30 11:24:47 X-Fade, that poor 770. . . . Mar 30 11:24:57 GeneralAntilles: Pre-770 proto ;) Mar 30 11:25:03 what system monitoring tools are available for linux and maemo specifically, in windows i can use regmon and filemon and the other *mon tools from sysinternals Mar 30 11:25:07 OMAP0 Mar 30 11:25:18 Khertan, your replacement, would it work for all python apps or just yours Mar 30 11:25:37 maemo.org, where tablets go to be tortured to death before they die. Mar 30 11:25:42 lcuk: at this time just for me ... Mar 30 11:25:49 Khertan: it preloads gtk+hildon package or? Mar 30 11:26:04 lcuk: but it ll be easy to made it available too for other python app Mar 30 11:26:22 atv, no, BlueMaemo implements HID only Mar 30 11:26:23 Stskeeps: it preload gtk, hildon and some other python module Mar 30 11:26:26 Khertan, have you checked on the python site for updates which might help in this situation - ie could this be cured by default with fremantle/mer? Mar 30 11:26:30 VDVsx: interesting Mar 30 11:26:34 err. Mar 30 11:26:36 Khertan: Mar 30 11:27:12 Khertan: so basically the existing python-launcher and making it load gtk+hildon+some others at boot would work too? :P Mar 30 11:27:23 VDVsx, id love to tie up your keyboard with a wifi daemon - ive used a remote control from my 810 to windows now for the last year without failure or reconnects Mar 30 11:27:46 Stskeeps: don't know ... but it look like that the actual python launcher doesn't do it s works correctly ... Mar 30 11:27:55 maybe i should take a look into the code Mar 30 11:28:18 Stskeeps, that sounds like a better fixup Mar 30 11:28:25 that would help all Mar 30 11:28:25 VDVsx: that means for gsoc project "Bluetooth speaker support using HFP emulation" we have to implement HFP in bluemaemo? Mar 30 11:29:21 yep Mar 30 11:30:25 Stskeeps, Khertan but if the user doesnt run many python desktop apps the extra startup time will go against the stuff users expect - ie if as khertan says its a 5-7 seconds delay, does it help Mar 30 11:31:03 atv, for me, don't make many sense put audio functionalities in a remote controller program...., but just IMHO Mar 30 11:31:19 lcuk, have to think about that :p Mar 30 11:31:19 VDVsx, the wiimote has audio features ;) Mar 30 11:31:32 lcuk: it s a daemon launch in background ... so doesn't extends the maemo-launcher startup time ... Mar 30 11:31:38 could be launch after Mar 30 11:31:50 lcuk, really ? bips ??, lol Mar 30 11:32:07 VDVsx, its got a mic as well ifiak Mar 30 11:32:19 as we can't really cache things in maemo launcher as it doesn't threads for applet ... Mar 30 11:32:57 * VDVsx steals lcuk wii :P Mar 30 11:33:14 * lcuk sends a golden stream over the internet and grosses the entire channel out Mar 30 11:38:16 arg ... python-launcher is coded in c ... bouhhhh Mar 30 11:39:36 lol khertan Mar 30 11:39:53 do you want the apt-get line i use to put all gcc and everything on the device Mar 30 11:40:48 nope Mar 30 11:41:05 i didn't want to lost my time anymore to do c Mar 30 11:42:11 khertan, then file upstream bugs to the python-launcher people requesting hildon+gtk inclusion Mar 30 11:42:20 Hmm it seems that qwerty's webkit build issued 10s or possibly 100s of parallel builds ;) Mar 30 11:42:39 ok Mar 30 11:42:47 i have come to the conclusion that this centos install is not working Mar 30 11:42:51 heh X-Fade nice! we always knew qwerty was capable of working harder than anyone else Mar 30 11:42:54 looks like i just give up and use debian Mar 30 11:43:22 lcuk: Essentially rocketing the load up to insane numbers. Mar 30 11:43:57 public flogging later? Mar 30 11:44:07 lcuk: i mainly think that doing it in python to preload python import will be better and will release my own "python-launcher" but in python and with an other name Mar 30 11:44:32 fair enough khertan Mar 30 11:44:44 lcuk: Tar & feathers? Mar 30 11:44:45 :) Mar 30 11:44:59 seems reasonable X-Fade, ill get the popcorn Mar 30 11:45:16 hum ... real-python-launcher seems to be a good name :) Mar 30 11:45:48 ill bbiab anyway Mar 30 11:54:25 argh! my fucking usb dvd drive is going to make me lose it Mar 30 11:54:40 i keep getting "boot failed Mar 30 11:54:44 adfkasjflfj!@# Mar 30 11:59:34 alterego ping? Mar 30 11:59:48 going back to work ... bye Mar 30 12:18:32 lol, so apparently they didn't really fix the power line yesterday so much as re-attach it and leave it hanging across the parking lot and several cars Mar 30 12:18:51 The power going out again this morning was the garbage truck driving through it. Mar 30 12:19:14 So glad all our utilities are below ground ;) Mar 30 12:19:47 only weird countries put utilities above ground Mar 30 12:22:22 X-Fade: heh, indeed Mar 30 12:22:26 LinuxCode, well, you go about 4' down and hit the water table here. Mar 30 12:28:06 ahh Mar 30 12:28:14 ok then I guess you got no choice Mar 30 12:28:48 I find it weird that here in the Uk the last 20 meters to the house, we have a pole and the phone line is dangled across Mar 30 12:29:13 idiotic really, thats how the burgulars just cut the damn wires and the alarm is almost useless Mar 30 12:29:21 if you got a standing connection Mar 30 12:29:27 Underground is also a lot more expensive, and makes less sense in lower population density areas (like most of the US) Mar 30 12:30:35 Anyway, yeah, Florida's power grid is about 50 years out of date. That's why the Super Best Friends keep sending us hurricanes. ;) Mar 30 12:32:15 Transformers hanging from the eletric poles are scary though Mar 30 12:32:41 Like a disaster waiting to happen any moment Mar 30 12:32:57 Meh, I guess it's a matter of perspective. Mar 30 12:35:52 14:22:26 GeneralAntil | LinuxCode, well, you go about 4' down and hit the water table here. Mar 30 12:35:55 hm, here too Mar 30 12:36:00 no issues :) Mar 30 12:36:16 aquatix, also factor in the population density. Mar 30 12:36:24 that's more an issue Mar 30 12:36:27 * LinuxCode doesnt know what the water table around here even is Mar 30 12:36:35 and the kind of surface Mar 30 12:36:43 rock sucks ;) Mar 30 12:36:59 in the netherlands you can dig quite well Mar 30 12:38:27 aquatix, you will be able to dig better when the next storm surge happens ;-p Mar 30 12:38:50 manchester doesnt have a water table, we float on a sea of boddingtons Mar 30 12:39:01 LinuxCode: digging in a layer of water sucks ;) Mar 30 12:39:18 lcuk: lol Mar 30 12:39:18 lcuk, hahaha Mar 30 12:40:24 gan: what part of florida? Mar 30 12:40:41 i would hate to see what the water table around cardiff has Mar 30 12:41:32 fauxmight, I bounce between Tallahassee and St. Petersburg Mar 30 12:41:32 for nsfw yucky photos of welsh boozers search google for cardiff night out totallycrap Mar 30 12:41:59 * lcuk never wants to go to wales after seeing those pics Mar 30 12:42:19 * fauxmight is from Gainesville/Lake City. Living in Oklahoma City at present. Mar 30 12:42:35 fauxmight, nice area. :P Mar 30 12:42:40 I miss it. Mar 30 12:42:59 I can't deal with Gainesville Mar 30 12:43:08 Way too much UF for my tastes. Mar 30 12:43:40 lcuk, shut it Mar 30 12:43:41 lol Mar 30 12:43:55 Perhaps. I'm pretty far away from the college sports scene. :) Mar 30 12:44:26 fauxmight, I like being near water, too. Mar 30 12:45:59 * Stskeeps is nearby water but doesn't often get to the beach Mar 30 12:46:14 lol Mar 30 12:46:21 jeez some of those pics are indeed bad Mar 30 12:46:31 I bet most of those people got arrested Mar 30 12:46:37 LinuxCode, are you living nearby? Mar 30 12:46:52 no I dont live in central cardiff Mar 30 12:47:17 well one is resting against a policevan Mar 30 12:47:38 that doesnt mean much Mar 30 12:47:40 hehe Mar 30 12:47:45 probably on patrol Mar 30 12:47:57 but yeh, there is a distinct problem here Mar 30 12:48:01 no way to deny that Mar 30 12:48:08 the police just need to give no warnings Mar 30 12:48:21 you are drunk and act stupid, you go to the cells for a night Mar 30 12:48:27 that will clean it up instantly Mar 30 12:48:31 What scary place are you talking about? URL? Mar 30 12:48:37 you talk back to a copper, you go to the cells Mar 30 12:48:50 teehee: http://www.youtube.com/watch?hl=en&v=gPIVNqKQsXM&gl=US Mar 30 12:49:03 (no, no rickroll, way more funny than that) Mar 30 12:49:23 omg no way Mar 30 12:49:25 bahaha Mar 30 12:49:32 that looks like Richard Mar 30 12:49:35 * RST38h suggests dividing the place into blocks with barbed wire, then proactively jailing all 14+ yo males in each block for a week Mar 30 12:49:37 * LinuxCode saves picture Mar 30 12:49:39 Block by block Mar 30 12:50:10 RST38h, 14 year olds arent allowed to drink in the UK Mar 30 12:50:22 Linux: Doesn't matter, I said proactively =) Mar 30 12:50:24 LinuxCode: what picture? Mar 30 12:51:09 RST38h, problem si coppers are too nice here Mar 30 12:51:16 they say, go home 4 times Mar 30 12:51:37 I used to live in Germany, and trust me, you didnt talk back to the coppers there Mar 30 12:51:43 in soviet russia, drunks jail coppers Mar 30 12:51:59 LinuxCode: german tax/toll officers are nasty. Mar 30 12:52:03 in soviet russia, drunks pay off corrupt coppers Mar 30 12:52:11 Stskeeps, haha yeh Mar 30 12:52:32 Stskeeps, stop not declaring your ciggies then Mar 30 12:52:34 lol Mar 30 12:52:46 ah, this was after a trip to .nl Mar 30 12:59:02 Linux: But I guess you can't detain someone just for being drunk Mar 30 12:59:30 scary, my firefox (at home) claims i've visited iTT 2483 times Mar 30 13:00:47 RST38h, ohh yes you can Mar 30 13:01:06 drunk and disorderly Mar 30 13:01:33 ok Mar 30 13:01:35 pissing in the street, falling over yourself, fighting, I would call that enough reasons Mar 30 13:01:38 this thing has me about to lose my mind Mar 30 13:01:43 i tried 2 usb cdrom drives Mar 30 13:01:52 fact is they havent got enough cells here, thats the real issue Mar 30 13:01:54 so either the debian netinst iso is messed up.. along with the centos one Mar 30 13:02:04 Linux: Pissing, fighting - yes Mar 30 13:02:07 or there is something wrong with this artigo's usb ports all of a sudden :) Mar 30 13:02:10 Linux: Just being drunk - no Mar 30 13:03:14 * RST38h suddenly recounts that he has last seen a drunk lying on a Moscow street months ago Mar 30 13:03:25 (hobos not included) Mar 30 13:03:27 ok. if this crap doesn't work i give up Mar 30 13:04:24 RST38h, I live here and I know coppers in the force Mar 30 13:04:44 and you can arrest people if they might be a danger to themselves Mar 30 13:04:48 by being too drunk Mar 30 13:05:20 but thats besides the point, fact is they just need to clamp down Mar 30 13:05:22 Stskeeps: how do you see those visiting stats? Mar 30 13:05:32 Linux: Yea, that probably goes under disorderly conduct Mar 30 13:05:36 and those pics are def a compilation of the worst I have ever seen Mar 30 13:05:47 so I wouldnt take them for granted Mar 30 13:06:00 aquatix: click the website icon, more information Mar 30 13:06:24 + most of those people could be outsiders, as we have a huge stadium that hosts footbal and rugby matches Mar 30 13:06:43 + we have a huge student base Mar 30 13:08:34 Stskeeps: ah right :) Mar 30 13:15:40 Stskeeps, 2322 times, damn :P Mar 30 13:21:16 afternoon all Mar 30 13:21:33 hey lardman Mar 30 13:21:51 hi RST38h Mar 30 13:21:52 Howdy-ho, lardman, Mar 30 13:21:56 this morning some guy was looking for a mentor interested in the BT Speaker project for GSoC Mar 30 13:22:07 I pointed him in your direction Mar 30 13:22:10 Am interested, but really busy atm Mar 30 13:22:27 Thought so but maybe he was just looking for advice Mar 30 13:22:27 Wedding stuff still being done, pretty much takes up all my weekends Mar 30 13:22:40 well I'm happy to discuss on email/etc. when I can Mar 30 13:22:53 lardman <-- stepping onto the slippery road of marriage Mar 30 13:23:07 lol Mar 30 13:26:14 RST38h, lardman's missus however is also being prepared shes gathering a pair of shoes for every condition ;) Mar 30 13:26:22 don't joke Mar 30 13:26:40 sorry lol, tracy is just as bad Mar 30 13:26:45 :) Mar 30 13:26:58 is it goin smoothly tho Mar 30 13:29:19 hola Mar 30 13:30:29 yay! 11-13th September doesn't interfere with the other conference I have to go to Mar 30 13:30:40 * lardman thinks about the Summit Mar 30 13:31:39 thats quite a reasonable date for most people Mar 30 13:32:01 lardman, book it in now before any other confs sneak up on you Mar 30 13:34:42 nah there's just one that I go to every year, and always at the same sort of time Mar 30 13:35:05 I had to skivve off early last year to come to the summit iirc Mar 30 13:35:44 at least you didnt have to walk/swim/train/bike it to the summit like jaffa did Mar 30 13:36:15 * lcuk vanishes again, cya later simon Mar 30 13:36:36 bye lcuk Mar 30 13:36:43 * lardman heads to the lab Mar 30 13:47:05 Mmm breakfast burritos Mar 30 14:14:24 florian, ping Mar 30 14:16:00 hi bergwolf Mar 30 14:16:14 hi, florian Mar 30 14:16:22 did you read my gsoc proposal? Mar 30 14:17:20 * florian hasn't managed to read any proposal Mar 30 14:17:58 :P Mar 30 14:18:15 please review it when you have time Mar 30 14:18:36 bergwolf, you should have at least one comment in the system :P Mar 30 14:18:36 * bergwolf hopes to see comments from his mentor :) Mar 30 14:19:01 VDVsx, yes, I had one from Valerio Mar 30 14:19:20 :P Mar 30 14:21:46 bergwolf, VDVsx is Valerio :) Mar 30 14:22:20 rkirti, VDVsx, wow... Mar 30 14:23:07 rkirti, I should try whois VDVsx :) Mar 30 14:23:53 VDVsx, thanks for your comments. They are very encouraging :) Mar 30 14:25:25 bergwolf, don't worry the bad ones will come too :) Mar 30 14:26:35 * rmt_ sighs. Mar 30 14:26:39 VDVsx, I hope they come early, so that I would have time to revise the proposal :) Mar 30 14:27:03 Hiya all. Just did a hard reboot of the N810 .. doesn't seem to get past the nokia boot process.. line goes from left to right, then nothing. Mar 30 14:27:16 Is there a way to get more info from it? Mar 30 14:27:54 Have bootmenu installed? Mar 30 14:28:13 Nope. Mar 30 14:28:16 (not that I know of) Mar 30 14:28:35 Just latest updates via apt. Mar 30 14:35:38 The silence is killing me Mar 30 14:35:52 *chirp* Mar 30 14:36:26 rmt_: not really without bootmenu :P Mar 30 14:37:04 I guess flashing is the typical option.. Mar 30 14:38:41 yeah, and then as first thing install bootmenu with usb telnetd :P Mar 30 14:40:41 Hi everyone Mar 30 14:41:26 Is usb telnetd running by default? Mar 30 14:41:43 If I connect usb to it, what happens? Mar 30 14:41:49 Only if you have bootmenu installed and even then you activate it from the bootmenu Mar 30 14:42:28 If you connect the USB cable for the first two seconds, it'll go into flash mode. 2 seconds after that; nothing. Mar 30 14:43:08 Except ke-recv won't activate swap during bootup or something Mar 30 14:43:35 qwerty12: Ah, there he is ;) Mar 30 14:44:09 VDVsx: http://www.theatergriffioen.nl/ looks good Mar 30 14:44:21 qwerty12: Somehow your webkit package is just killing the builder.. Mar 30 14:44:23 pizewize Mar 30 14:44:33 X-Fade, *grin*, I was going to ask you to kill the webkit builds but it looks like it doesn't need to be done anymore... Mar 30 14:44:42 keesj: Yes, one thing I wonder about is if they have great wifi. Mar 30 14:44:47 Yeah, not going to bother uploading again. Mar 30 14:44:53 Hmm. It seems that maemo-community doesn't like having lots of people receiving the message; but *I* don't like sending a message which require people's action to just a mailing list. Mar 30 14:45:05 qwerty12: It is weird, there are a massive amounts of threads running. Mar 30 14:45:36 Felix has the wifi and such Mar 30 14:45:40 X-Fade, what's more weird is that maemo1 built for ARMEL but failed on i386 but maemo2 with armel only fails to build :) Mar 30 14:46:07 qwerty12: It looks like gcc got killed or died. Mar 30 14:46:09 Jaffa: I canceled it anyway Mar 30 14:46:16 qwerty12: In that build. Mar 30 14:46:44 No idea why, I never touched the code - just the debian folder and any flags sent to GCC remained the same Mar 30 14:47:02 keesj: I was talking about one I've just sent ;-) Mar 30 14:47:07 Although, it doesn't help that it won't read the parallel deb_build_option properly Mar 30 14:47:13 keesj, I think lcuk or Jaffa been there in a IBM event Mar 30 14:47:33 * Jaffa was at a place in Amstelveen for an IBM event Mar 30 14:47:35 keesj, I only see it from the outside Mar 30 14:48:07 I think it was Griffioen as well Mar 30 14:48:44 it's a rather nice place Mar 30 14:48:50 i think it has campusnet wifi? Mar 30 14:49:00 Jaffa, yup is the same place, by the photo that you sent to the ML Mar 30 14:49:13 aquatix: As long as it can handle about 600 devices ;) Mar 30 14:51:08 * VDVsx gonna ask friends about campus wifi Mar 30 14:53:45 VDVsx, ive only ever been to amsterdam once and i was trapped in the airport unable to smoke :'( Mar 30 14:54:41 lcuk, heheh, you only can smoke pot in Amsterdam :P Mar 30 14:58:48 VDVsx, i only wanted to smoke normal tobacco, i could see people out of the window smoking and i couldnt Mar 30 14:59:36 france cdg airport was better, i managed to run outside along the concourse thing and smoke whilst getting to my gate Mar 30 15:03:01 lcuk, well, smoking is bad for you, you have to quit :P Mar 30 15:03:10 and will avoid problems at airports also :) Mar 30 15:03:47 01/03/1987: SCP-069's study reaches a breakthrough; hypertext markup language created. Object is swiftly confiscated by SCP-team #??. Mar 30 15:11:35 keesj, I already requested info about the Vrije venue, I will have more info soon (and probably photos :P) Mar 30 15:30:28 Ok, reflashed.. it's coming up.. Mar 30 15:30:37 So, bootmenu, you say. Mar 30 15:30:47 where should I find the barcode GSoC project description? Mar 30 15:31:07 atv: ping, you wanted to talk Mar 30 15:31:54 lardman: that would intrest me as well Mar 30 15:32:42 lardman, did you sign in as mentor already ? Mar 30 15:33:00 VDVsx: no, how does one do so, and also I'm very busy atm Mar 30 15:33:33 lardman, I sent mail instructions :P Mar 30 15:33:43 is the autobuilder back in business? Mar 30 15:34:34 VDVsx: when? Mar 30 15:35:10 lardman, 20 march Mar 30 15:35:45 lardman, if you can't found those, talk to me in pm Mar 30 15:37:11 I certainly didn't see anything on 20th March, will pm Mar 30 15:37:36 qwerty12: webkit-maemo2 didn't work because of "make -j" without an argument doesn't limit the number of jobs Mar 30 15:39:18 mikkov_, yeah, thanks, I found that out locally. The reason it doesn't have an argument is that the number isn't getting substituted from the deb_build_options properly. It works if DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS="parallel=4" but if it's DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS="vfp,parallel=4" for example, it messes up Mar 30 15:39:59 I ended up hardcoding it but I don't plan on uploading it again, it's unfair to f*ck things up for everyone else Mar 30 15:43:20 there is one webkit in build queue :) Mar 30 15:43:42 Bollocks >.<. X-Fade, mind killing that? :) Mar 30 15:44:06 but if it's working for armel you should upload it Mar 30 15:44:54 Maybe sometime later, I've exhausted the poor builder for long enough now :) Mar 30 15:44:59 Also, that build will fail too :) Mar 30 15:45:49 -maemo1 with only armel arch should work? Mar 30 15:46:04 qwerty ive still got some popcorn left, carry on killing the server, we might actually see x-fade start to physically vent steam Mar 30 15:47:34 mikkov_, Should do, maemo2 was only armel and all my changes were to that version were: http://pastebin.com/d76afd151 so I have no idea why it failed Mar 30 15:48:01 Although, in hindsight, I can say that I didn't fix the parallel option :) Mar 30 15:50:12 maemo1 doesn't have make -j Mar 30 15:50:14 :) Mar 30 15:51:42 ah :), does it have a negative effect if it has no number as an argument? Mar 30 15:52:22 qwerty12, bringing the fail since 2007 Mar 30 15:52:51 © Mar 30 15:53:38 qwerty12: from the man page: "If the -j option is given without an argument, make will not limit the number of jobs that can run simultaneously." Mar 30 15:53:50 http://dilbert.com/fast/2000-04-25/ <- ah, so that's what liasons do Mar 30 15:54:02 lizardo, oh shit, no wonder... Thanks Mar 30 15:54:16 basically it would me a make bomb for some complex code hehe Mar 30 15:54:21 me -> mean Mar 30 15:54:24 who decided "make -j" was a good idea? :P Mar 30 15:54:48 Okay.. all lost.. although I think my ext3 partition survived, but isn't mounted. Mar 30 15:57:32 mikkov_, after doing proper testing, I'll upload maemo3 sometime when the autobuilder seems dead :) Mar 30 15:57:51 qwerty12: " If the Mar 30 15:57:55 -j option is given without an argument, make will not limit the number of jobs that can run simultaneously." Mar 30 15:58:05 man make Mar 30 16:48:06 hello, is there someone to talk about gsoc projects ? Mar 30 16:49:59 andrei1089: what exactly would you like to talk about ? Mar 30 16:50:40 i'm interested in writting a plugin for canola Mar 30 16:51:04 a torrent plugin or one for picasa Mar 30 16:51:49 for the torrent plugin.. it's ok to use an existing library like bittornado ? Mar 30 16:52:30 it's under mit license Mar 30 16:54:03 not only it's ok, it's expected Mar 30 16:54:21 only 3 months would be too short if you needed to write the protocol implementation as well Mar 30 16:54:38 bittornado has python bindings for the library ? Mar 30 16:55:11 BitTornado is in Python iirc Mar 30 16:55:15 yes Mar 30 16:56:42 cool Mar 30 16:57:06 andrei1089: have you checked out canola's source code, ran it on your computer and everything ? Mar 30 16:57:43 yes Mar 30 16:57:54 i have one problem a haven't manage to solve Mar 30 16:58:08 i tried the edje_viewer Mar 30 16:58:34 but it's not showing anything on my computer Mar 30 16:59:12 andrei1089: I'm almost sure that it's broken Mar 30 16:59:27 try edje_editor Mar 30 16:59:32 should work Mar 30 17:04:27 guess i'll have to install e17 to compile edje_editor, right ? Mar 30 17:07:45 not sure on what it depends, but if you already have canola running, shouldn't take too much more Mar 30 17:12:27 videl:~$ mediaplayer-ui Mar 30 17:12:27 Segmentation fault Mar 30 17:12:44 what's wrong? :o Mar 30 17:14:19 There's a fault in the segmentation. Mar 30 17:15:24 GeneralAntilles: thank you, captain obvious ;) Mar 30 17:15:34 it's general, mister. Mar 30 17:15:34 :P Mar 30 17:15:47 Generally Obvious Mar 30 17:16:23 i thought he was demoted :D Mar 30 17:16:38 whatever... i hadn't done anything risky/stupid on my maemo, and today morning i couldn't run media player... Mar 30 17:16:39 Demoted from Grand Marshal Mar 30 17:16:49 Jaffa's the evil emperor now. Mar 30 17:17:35 Hi, timelE61i. Mar 30 17:23:15 Something aint right with the universe. Mar 30 17:23:58 glitch in the matrix? Mar 30 17:24:26 At this rate I wouldn't be surprise if the next tablets are announced tomorrow running Windows Mobile and iPhone OS. Mar 30 17:24:35 Cable's out now. Mar 30 17:24:43 lcuk, you mean Neo died for no reason? :P Mar 30 17:25:47 GAN800, jake said he will record postman pat for you, he knows you dont like to miss it Mar 30 17:25:55 lol qwerty12 Mar 30 17:27:23 Sirens. I can only imagine what for. Mar 30 17:27:43 lcuk, is that like Bob the Builder? Mar 30 17:27:44 cable not working at police station Mar 30 17:28:21 yeah GAN800 but hes a postman Mar 30 17:28:26 but you know that of course Mar 30 17:28:47 lcuk, sounds epic. Mar 30 17:28:52 postman pat is most excellent Mar 30 17:29:00 postman pat rocks! Mar 30 17:29:20 hes got a little black and white cat as well Mar 30 17:32:27 hi Mar 30 17:34:03 Does anybody try to write GUI using EFL-library? Mar 30 17:34:50 plastun, i thought canola had already written a UI in efl Mar 30 17:35:16 yes, but You? Mar 30 17:35:44 no, i'm hardcore, i wrote my gui and graphics library from bare binary Mar 30 17:35:50 a loking for GUI library, which is better for maemo and Finger Mar 30 17:36:03 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMXp0Dg_UaY :) Mar 30 17:36:36 Oh, not teletubbies. Mar 30 17:37:12 Does this library have Python-bindings? Mar 30 17:38:06 plastun, no Mar 30 17:38:44 shit.. Mar 30 17:39:27 why do you need to make your own ui anyway, cant you use gtk or qt and just make big buttons ;) Mar 30 17:39:41 khertan does very good work - in python - with gtk :) Mar 30 17:39:42 hi Mar 30 17:39:48 hiya lopz Mar 30 17:39:59 mm Mar 30 17:40:09 is it beautiful? Mar 30 17:40:27 lcuk, how do you find Canola UI? Mar 30 17:40:40 it;s not just big buttons Mar 30 17:40:45 i go to app manager and search for "canola" Mar 30 17:40:51 ) Mar 30 17:41:08 sorry for my eng. it's not my native language Mar 30 17:41:08 plastun, bluemaemo is EFL too Mar 30 17:41:09 of course i know its not big buttons Mar 30 17:41:30 for example Mar 30 17:41:35 but big buttons work well on this type of touch screen Mar 30 17:41:41 i have HScroll in gtk Mar 30 17:42:13 how can i increase height of this control? Mar 30 17:43:39 * plastun install bluemaemo Mar 30 17:44:00 * plastun hostel1 Mar 30 17:44:09 shit... Mar 30 17:58:31 Interesting: http://www.andrew.cmu.edu/course/15-821-finefm/ Mar 30 18:03:15 lfelipe: can i submit two applications, one for the torrent and one for the picasa plugin, i can't decide which would be more useful for the community Mar 30 18:03:30 andrei1089: you can submit up to 20 applications I think Mar 30 18:03:47 (not saying you should, just saying it's possible) Mar 30 18:04:04 definitely send both applications, but try to be as detailed as possible in both of them Mar 30 18:04:24 ok Mar 30 18:04:42 (detailed implementation proposal, mock-ups, possible features, etc.) Mar 30 18:06:47 i guess it's ok if i don't have an n810 and i ask the community from time to time to test the plugin on a real device.. Mar 30 18:08:20 andrei1089: perfectly fine Mar 30 18:08:33 + canola runs on the desktop just fine :) Mar 30 18:08:45 and your mentor will most likely also have access to one Mar 30 18:12:16 anyone knows if there is a mailing list or a group for the GSoC 2009 projects ideas? Mar 30 18:16:34 vidriloco, you can talk about that here or on the maemo-devel ML Mar 30 18:16:54 ok, thanks VDVsx Mar 30 18:17:27 /join #trem-null Mar 30 18:17:29 /join #trem-null Mar 30 18:17:36 Oops Mar 30 18:17:42 Spam! Mar 30 18:21:44 lfelipe: is there going to be any test or students will chosen only by their proposals ? Mar 30 18:22:20 andrei1089: they will be chosen by proposals, but if you send patches we'll definitely take that into consideration Mar 30 18:23:35 andrei1089: if you want to talk about possible things you can take a look at, join #canola Mar 30 18:23:50 antognolli and glima (both are there) are also mentoring projects canola-related Mar 30 18:23:58 and etrunko I believe is too Mar 30 18:24:13 * etrunko raises from the grave Mar 30 18:24:55 quick look at backlog Mar 30 18:26:00 lfelipe, andrei1089: oh yeah, i'm willing to mentor Mar 30 18:26:53 * GeneralAntilles shoots zombie etrunko in the head. Mar 30 18:28:57 * timelE61i grumbles Mar 30 18:29:30 gan: did we mention that dvrs in finland aren't dst safe? Mar 30 18:29:33 I am new to the maemo community and would like to work on the "Improve Xournal" or "Implement Internet Storage client" ideas Mar 30 18:30:31 * timelE61i frowns Mar 30 18:31:02 which one is best suited for a newbie? I am proficient in C and have some knowledge of GTK+, however would like to know what another considerations will you take into account for selecting an student Mar 30 18:31:15 timelE61i, who uses DVRs? Mar 30 18:32:20 sp3000 does Mar 30 18:32:22 So do i Mar 30 18:33:18 basically a cross between a tivo and a vcr from 1986 Mar 30 18:33:37 Big disk, incredible dumb functionality Mar 30 18:34:57 EyeTV Mar 30 18:35:44 qwerty12_N800: OSS? Mar 30 18:35:47 wazat Mar 30 18:35:57 (Fine) Mar 30 18:36:00 Stskeeps: yes Mar 30 18:36:13 timelE61i, DVR for Mac Mar 30 18:36:23 qwerty12_N800: ooh. want for Mer :P Mar 30 18:36:43 would be cool :) Mar 30 18:36:49 does it support 10.3.9? Mar 30 18:36:56 And .fi Mar 30 18:36:57 timelE61i, http://www.elgato.com Mar 30 18:37:03 Well, the original came out in 2001 Mar 30 18:37:04 So, yes. Mar 30 18:38:19 EyeTV 2 should support Jaguar, but EyeTV 4 doesn't Mar 30 18:38:30 qwerty12_N800: i'll give you a cookie if you package it Mar 30 18:38:33 Really, though, it's time to bite the bullet and upgrade. ;) Mar 30 18:39:17 Stskeeps: it uses a modified libhildonfm Mar 30 18:39:48 qwerty12_N800: just for CODA i think Mar 30 18:40:07 ah, just the file manager? Mar 30 18:40:13 yeah Mar 30 18:40:29 First i have to fix my' mbp and do my taxes Mar 30 18:40:45 Stskeeps: That can be done by me sometime soon Mar 30 18:41:51 iNternet storage client = fuse + sample fuse app + protocol ? Mar 30 18:42:54 vIdriloco: i'd probably pick xournal Mar 30 18:43:25 A storage client has a large up front barrier Mar 30 18:43:52 If you don't reach that, you have nothing to show Mar 30 18:44:00 yes, that's what I was thinking, however the storage client looks interesting too Mar 30 18:44:26 Xournal should have a number of individual deliverables Mar 30 18:44:52 but, well, dropbox provides the infrastructure for linux, I have reviewed the code Mar 30 18:45:01 * timelE61i shrugs Mar 30 18:45:19 however I had not in mind to use it, I was planning to give storage agnostic support Mar 30 18:45:33 agnostic? Mar 30 18:45:43 Arbitrary storage host? Mar 30 18:46:14 yes, that you could use dropbox or box.net or any other with no major problem Mar 30 18:46:33 Personally, having seen the disaster that was gnome-vfs Mar 30 18:46:59 thanks guys, i thought for a minute a miracle had happened Mar 30 18:47:12 i was cleaning my screen and was on an upstroke when it moved Mar 30 18:47:16 i'd run away from anything related Mar 30 18:47:20 haha Mar 30 18:47:55 * lcuk is gonna have to get himself an asus eee top :) Mar 30 18:48:06 I will consider your suggestion, perphaps is better the Xournal idea and provide the handwritting detection using HRE Mar 30 18:48:14 Our ui iirc has hard coded drive concepts Mar 30 18:48:25 Hre? Mar 30 18:49:13 yes, it's a C library that would fit our needs Mar 30 18:49:30 http://playground.sun.com/pub/multimedia/handwriting/hre.html Mar 30 18:49:33 oh, as a general plea... Mar 30 18:49:55 Please be careful about using "we" and "our" Mar 30 18:50:05 vidriloco, thats an interesting library - it might fit in with what im doing :) Mar 30 18:50:27 In a conversation w/ me, i'm part of your first person plural Mar 30 18:50:39 But you don't know my needs Mar 30 18:50:41 yes, it provides an API so it can be plugged to the application Mar 30 18:50:57 ive already got an application and it already does stroke hashing Mar 30 18:51:03 ok timelE61i Mar 30 18:51:11 I understand Mar 30 18:51:31 and i write an awful lot, it would be nice to search it :) Mar 30 18:51:36 fwiw, it could be worse, usually people use "royal we" Mar 30 18:52:12 - which is truly irksome Mar 30 18:52:17 vidriloco, speak with astorm if you can catch him Mar 30 18:52:26 hes doing hwr for something or other Mar 30 18:52:47 ppff, yes, I imagine timeIE61i Mar 30 18:53:05 ok, thanks lcuk Mar 30 18:53:47 Is there support for handwritting recognition on maemo diablo? Mar 30 18:53:57 Yes Mar 30 18:54:12 It's licensed from someone Mar 30 18:54:31 We care not what you think, timelE61i. Mar 30 18:54:32 oh, ok, so perhaps Xournal could benefit from it Mar 30 18:54:43 No Mar 30 18:54:54 Please don't go anywhere near it Mar 30 18:55:02 Is it broken? Mar 30 18:55:10 It isn't OSS Mar 30 18:55:11 vidriloco, that hre library is ported to the 2.2 kernel Mar 30 18:55:15 wont that be a problem? Mar 30 18:56:43 yes, it's a little bit old. Maemo uses 2.6 right? Mar 30 18:56:51 gan: fwiw, nokia's pc suite made usb teathering on my xp laptop just work :) Mar 30 18:57:08 s/teat/tet/ Mar 30 18:57:09 timelE61i meant: gan: fwiw, nokia's pc suite made usb tethering on my xp laptop just work :) Mar 30 18:58:12 ppff, and also glibc can be a problem Mar 30 18:58:21 Maemo also Mar 30 18:58:21 uses different versions of toolchains (GCC, glibc[19] etc.) from the start guide Mar 30 19:00:55 vidriloco, if you follow through and get it ported to maemo would you send me a mail Mar 30 19:01:15 the HRE library? Mar 30 19:01:19 yeah Mar 30 19:01:48 yes, but which is your email? Mar 30 19:02:09 its liquid@gmail.com heres what im working on: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMXp0Dg_UaY Mar 30 19:05:28 ok lcuk Mar 30 19:08:54 great work. Is it part of maemo diablo or will it be part of maemo fremantle? Mar 30 19:10:22 vidriloco, its working now in diablo, obviously the experience will improve on newer hardware, but its already tasty enough working with what we have now :) Mar 30 19:11:07 vidriloco, I think it will run, even in a toaster with X11, :p Mar 30 19:11:18 so, it's very lightweight Mar 30 19:11:20 ? Mar 30 19:11:30 is it written on c? Mar 30 19:12:19 vidriloco, yes its designed from the ground up to be completely fluid and workable on maemo, its a bit of a tricky mare at the moment, but its being chiselled into a nice little library :) Mar 30 19:19:39 hey, yes, I have seen the overview #3 and now I understand Mar 30 19:21:54 and what are the plans for it? Mar 30 19:27:19 lcuk: I was thinking that it could replace hildon, or at least improve it, the only problem would be that it could break the applications using gtk+ or work would need to be done for keeping them happy Mar 30 19:28:19 lcuk: what are your plans for the work you have been doing on liqbase? Mar 30 19:33:43 re Mar 30 19:36:09 vidriloco, i have a number of small applications which are already being converted to use the new library, i have a small group of friends and a potential gsoc candidate who are assisting me in this, then im gonna sit back and make lots of cool little things :) Mar 30 19:36:50 Good evening (UTC+3)..... Mar 30 19:37:27 Could you tell me, what is a good way to make a distinction between two versions of Maemo SDK in scripts? Mar 30 19:37:32 Hurrah! The new Sigmatel board boots! Mar 30 19:37:46 dunno MikaT i work on the device itself Mar 30 19:37:50 !! rst Mar 30 19:38:33 lcuk: Ok, well is there some way to do that in device? Mar 30 19:39:02 i wouldnt have the foggiest Mar 30 19:39:18 Roger that :) Mar 30 19:39:34 lcuk: that's great. I hope I can be working on maemo during this summer and be part of the community. Anyway, I will let you know about the HRE library Mar 30 19:39:43 cool thx :) Mar 30 19:40:05 MikaT: on device, you can look at /etc/osso_software_version Mar 30 19:41:05 qwerty12_N800: Ok, thanks. I wonder why there is no such thing as lsb_release in Maemo. Mar 30 19:41:49 qwerty12_N800: Hold on, this might be a way in SDK too.... Mar 30 19:41:54 MikaT: yeah... there's a bug open for lsb_release. maybe in Fremantle Mar 30 19:41:58 :) Mar 30 19:43:43 qwerty12_N800: Yup, that seems to be working on SDK too. Complex strings, but I can parse some pattern from there. Thanks a lot! Mar 30 19:44:06 "When site TechFlash called, apparently De Long said she had signed an NDA restricting her from speaking about her experiences with the HP laptop." Mar 30 19:44:19 Can you imagine what horror it must have been to require a gag order? Mar 30 19:44:54 erm whats that in relation with Mar 30 19:46:17 glass: Microsoft has given a free $1000 laptop to some gal on TV Mar 30 19:46:32 but put a gag order to not talk about it? Mar 30 19:46:38 glass: It has later been found she is an LA-based actress who applied for a jb with them Mar 30 19:46:44 glass: Yea Mar 30 19:50:49 so eh Mar 30 19:50:55 teh failboat then Mar 30 19:51:08 barrelroll? Mar 30 19:51:09 they could've picked some random teenager and quite probably she would've been a windows user Mar 30 19:51:38 teenagers ain't cheerful enough, professional cheerleaders beat 'e, hands down Mar 30 20:54:08 Somebody in Maemo SW want to poke Marcell into updating repository.maemo.org? Mar 30 20:56:19 n810 is £170 at play.com FWIW :) Mar 30 21:00:26 GeneralAntilles: :P Mar 30 21:01:46 qwerty12_N800, stick your tongue out again and I'll take it from you. Mar 30 21:02:08 d: Mar 30 21:02:34 * GeneralAntilles takes qwerty12_N800's tongue and runs away. Mar 30 21:03:14 * qwerty12_N800 forces his tongue to continually spit Mar 30 21:03:40 Damnit, why is a device with no moving parts making noise. . . . Mar 30 21:03:50 speaker? Mar 30 21:03:56 that moves Mar 30 21:04:04 and the stand Mar 30 21:04:05 lbt, I think the SSD is squealing. Mar 30 21:04:10 Definitely not the speaker Mar 30 21:04:11 ah, Mar 30 21:04:13 oil it Mar 30 21:04:27 should quieten down then Mar 30 21:04:48 is it the screen Mar 30 21:05:16 No, clearly coming from the bottom half of the device. Mar 30 21:05:19 seems like it may be the most likely candidate for hig freq noise Mar 30 21:05:44 battery gas? Mar 30 21:06:25 I'm almost certain it's the SSD Mar 30 21:06:31 coming from that area Mar 30 21:06:55 If only I were 5 years older Mar 30 21:07:16 rare wish Mar 30 21:07:29 or maybe that's *my* age ;) Mar 30 21:07:30 Well, then I wouldn't be able to hear it. :P Mar 30 21:08:00 heh Mar 30 21:11:11 Hi there Mar 30 21:40:38 Does anyone know how to find/download a sources package? I'd like to build a package from here: http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/experimental/ but I can't find the source anywhere in the repo Mar 30 21:45:57 neatojones, which package ? :p Mar 30 21:46:20 actually... a bunch. But, one specifically is e-wm Mar 30 21:47:30 you should found the sources in the e repo Mar 30 21:47:35 I was thinking I ought to be able to set up a line like src http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/experimental on my ubuntu and download the source that way Mar 30 21:48:12 I'm looking for the files that they used to build the packges (the ipk configuration files) Mar 30 21:48:27 which are equivalent to deb config files Mar 30 21:48:33 ah the bitbake recipes Mar 30 21:48:44 1 sec Mar 30 21:48:48 If i have that info, I can build debs that are exactly the same, only built for Mer/Maemo Mar 30 21:48:55 k Mar 30 21:52:12 the main ipk repo is here: http://www.angstrom-distribution.org Mar 30 21:52:31 I looked there, but still didn't see any of the tar.gz or .src files Mar 30 21:52:42 I know that exist a site with the bb files, but can't found it Mar 30 21:52:53 Hmm. Thanks for helping. Mar 30 21:53:16 Any other ideas? Mar 30 21:53:22 they have to be somewhere Mar 30 21:53:56 you can ask in #openmoko-cdevel Mar 30 21:54:47 will do. Thanks Mar 30 21:54:52 is that freenode? Mar 30 21:56:27 yup Mar 30 22:22:12 Oh, 720p Mini 10 Mar 30 22:23:02 Stskeeps: ? what was the solaris/gnu based os you told me about? Mar 30 22:24:00 Nexenta perhaps? If you mean the OpenSolaris & Ubuntu mashup Mar 30 22:26:28 yes Mar 30 22:26:42 hm. are you running it also qwerty12_N800 ? Mar 30 22:26:51 nope Mar 31 00:04:52 #mer Mar 31 00:05:02 I guess that didn't work Mar 31 00:05:54 ... and I got it. Mar 31 00:24:19 Hello, I am a student looking to apply for the Google summer of code with Maemo. Im looking for something that does not require a lot of programing experience, but I would love to lean more. so far the Canola plugin idea looks good. can anyone point me in the right direction? Mar 31 00:26:04 mrlanrat: i am also a student , as far as i know mentors are around usually at (UTC working hours time) , and probably best if you mail them Mar 31 00:27:17 rohananil; do you know who I should mail? and where I can find there address? Mar 31 00:27:59 mrlanrat: use the ML Mar 31 00:29:03 b0unc3_; thanks Mar 31 00:29:21 mrlanrat: you're welcome Mar 31 00:34:36 b0unc3; which mailing list should I use? Mar 31 00:35:01 mrlanrat: -dev I suppose Mar 31 01:25:13 Stskeeps: ? Mar 31 01:25:29 nexenta... it only supports 32bit cpus? Mar 31 02:04:15 who wants a pidgin 2.5.5 binary with working icq ? Mar 31 02:04:58 I did a build and it seems to work, anyone else interested to install and test? Mar 31 02:09:59 people still use icq? Mar 31 02:14:25 if you want to keep in touch with people who only use icq one must use icq Mar 31 02:16:53 but if no one uses icq, who would you want to keep in touch with ? Mar 31 02:17:44 with no one Mar 31 02:18:26 with the people that still uses icq Mar 31 02:18:30 :P Mar 31 02:23:43 ok, so who wants to test a pidgin 2.5.5 maemo package which has all the new cool pidgin fixes that happened after 2.5.1 ? Mar 31 02:24:01 diablo Mar 31 02:24:32 i'd love to Mar 31 02:25:16 Lanza, cool: http://kuix.de/misc/maemo/pidgin/255/good/ Mar 31 02:28:59 Lanza, you'd have to download all the .deb files and install them using dpkg -i *.deb Mar 31 02:30:41 Hmm, I've added a .tar file to simplify downloading Mar 31 02:53:23 well, I've updated the garage bug that complained about broken ICQ functionality. take care **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Mar 31 02:59:57 2009