**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Apr 02 02:59:57 2009 Apr 02 03:06:16 any theme maker here? Apr 02 03:07:54 someone here Apr 02 03:08:21 hello? Apr 02 03:12:28 hey general Apr 02 03:12:37 you here Apr 02 03:12:58 its my first irc try Apr 02 03:13:21 wanna know if all work Apr 02 03:13:57 yep, it works, sorry i cant be of more help Apr 02 03:14:13 woot TX Apr 02 03:18:14 good night Apr 02 04:22:00 Hi there. I have installed diablo 4.1 SDK within an scratchbox Apr 02 04:22:34 my question is... why do i have no applications installed, and how can i install them? Apr 02 04:32:10 ugh Apr 02 04:32:28 been working on this virtualbox in nexenta all day Apr 02 04:32:37 it runs now though :) Apr 02 04:32:39 gui and all Apr 02 05:26:45 * RST38h moos evilly Apr 02 05:26:57 * Proteous dreams of a steak Apr 02 05:27:11 heeeerree RST38h, heeere boy, got some nice grass for you Apr 02 05:27:18 * Proteous hides his rifle behind his back Apr 02 05:29:14 * RST38h bites off whatever controller substance Proteous is holding with Proteous' hand, half his rifle, and his head for a good measure Apr 02 05:29:29 s/controller/controlled (too much coding) Apr 02 05:29:50 damn you herbavores and your molars Apr 02 06:39:40 hi all Apr 02 06:59:45 RST38h: ping! Apr 02 07:01:49 is the vmware thing going to happen? Apr 02 07:02:43 good thing you didn't ask more than 1:57 minutes ago - you would have been lied to ;) Apr 02 07:03:06 zakkm: I hope so, but I haven't seen any updates Apr 02 07:03:14 its 3am where ilive :D Apr 02 07:03:20 I have a feeling that it will be mainly sold to manufacturers Apr 02 07:03:43 sounds really cool Apr 02 07:03:48 also, VMWare made it fairly clear that one of their selling points is using VMs to further lock down phones and implement DRM Apr 02 07:04:15 that said, VMWare is usually pretty good about providing free-for-personal use editions, so they may be nice to the hobbyist/hacker crowd Apr 02 07:04:18 * jaem hopes so Apr 02 07:05:09 seems kind of weird too, like it sounds so futuristic for the nokia in a way Apr 02 07:05:28 well, I have my doubts about whether the N800 demo was completely legit Apr 02 07:05:42 or at least, it may have been done in such a way that it looked better than it was Apr 02 07:05:48 but it still could be very useful Apr 02 07:05:58 just don't count on running two instances of Maemo at once, for example Apr 02 07:05:58 seemes like they opened it up, replaced with better parts ;p Apr 02 07:06:07 jaem: their technology is possible Apr 02 07:06:18 it was suppose to replace jffs too Apr 02 07:06:21 Stskeeps: do you know something I haven't heard? Apr 02 07:06:22 it wasnt an maemo app Apr 02 07:06:29 zakkm: yes, I realize Apr 02 07:06:30 its suppose to be a whole distro. Apr 02 07:06:33 it's a hypervisor Apr 02 07:06:39 jaem: as in, the virtualization is possible Apr 02 07:06:52 no 3d acceleration, yet virtualization? hmmm :p Apr 02 07:07:00 Stskeeps: the OMAP doesn't support hardware virtualization, though, right? Apr 02 07:07:21 jaem: and so didn't x86 initially, it was done through ring traps Apr 02 07:07:37 as far as i recall Apr 02 07:08:02 well, I'd like to play with it, anyhow Apr 02 07:08:07 did you folks see http://www.thinkgeek.com/books/scifi/b747/ Apr 02 07:08:08 epic Apr 02 07:08:09 quite Apr 02 07:08:40 perfomance will be terrible on omap 2xxx Apr 02 07:08:47 yerga, I think it's time gFTP got an update ;) Apr 02 07:08:55 Shasie: that's the 770, right? Apr 02 07:09:04 jaem: and L4 ran on ARM before so Apr 02 07:09:46 nope 770 is 17xx omap, slower much Apr 02 07:09:54 oh right Apr 02 07:10:01 * jaem can't brain right now Apr 02 07:10:10 i remeber 770 being painfully slow ;p Apr 02 07:10:14 :) Apr 02 07:10:17 before mine wsod'd. dang no warranty Apr 02 07:11:49 Too good platform on a limited hw, thats main problem on 770 Apr 02 07:12:31 heh, i'm amazed how much they shrank down maemo to run on the 770 Apr 02 07:13:14 why does they use that shrunk down one for n800 and such Apr 02 07:14:14 Quiet... 770 using only ordinary phone proc, but for it usage! Apr 02 07:14:37 it=internet tablet dev Apr 02 07:15:48 n8xx is quiet but not so powerful for "it" use Apr 02 07:16:34 re Apr 02 07:20:31 good moaning Apr 02 07:20:47 aaaauughhh Apr 02 07:21:11 free ristretto, get it while it's hot Apr 02 07:21:30 :O Apr 02 07:22:07 * Stskeeps is going for danish morning bread instead Apr 02 07:22:28 * jaem wants cake, despite it not being morning Apr 02 07:22:34 why not combining the two into a nice breakfast? Apr 02 07:23:14 Stskeeps: what is this bread you speak of? Apr 02 07:23:24 * jaem hasn't heard of it Apr 02 07:24:33 * Stskeeps isn't sure he can find pictures Apr 02 07:24:48 well, descriptions work too Apr 02 07:25:02 after all, a word is worth 1/1000th of a picture Apr 02 07:25:23 http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9130847 Apr 02 07:25:29 that must be the most sick joke ever Apr 02 07:25:43 ...yeah Apr 02 07:25:44 I'm sick and tired of people praising the iphone when they don't evne know what the N810 is Apr 02 07:25:54 bbl bus Apr 02 07:25:57 esp after articles like that Apr 02 07:26:08 LiraNuna: make a comment then Apr 02 07:26:10 I wish Nokia's marketing was working a little MORE Apr 02 07:26:17 Stskeeps, like it'll help Apr 02 07:26:25 sometimes they'll have to accept errata :) Apr 02 07:26:45 if only nokia slapped 3G on the N810 and gave it a mobile life Apr 02 07:26:48 it'd be WIN Apr 02 07:27:02 btw, my physics prof ran across an interesting joke paper this morning Apr 02 07:27:06 he's a cosmologist... Apr 02 07:27:32 LiraNuna: you mean, like the n810 wimax edition? ;) Apr 02 07:27:49 but i guess s/wimax/hsdpa would be more nice Apr 02 07:27:59 or lte in about a year Apr 02 07:27:59 and apparently some other physicist wrote a paper claiming that the value of Pi increases with time (explaining why it was equal to 3 in ancient times :P), and that this solves the problems around the existence of "dark energy" Apr 02 07:28:02 aquatix, yeah, instead of pushing it harder, they killed it! Apr 02 07:28:18 someone should slap some sense into Nokia's marketing department Apr 02 07:28:47 jaem, hey - april's fools is april's fools! :D Apr 02 07:28:47 * jaem slaps someone with the marketing stick Apr 02 07:29:12 LiraNuna: yes, but I found that amusing - maybe the digits of Pi only exist once they're calculated :P Apr 02 07:31:22 http://liranuna.com/junk/mondi_n810.jpg // damn ripoff Apr 02 07:31:53 Eurgh, it has an IE logo on the keyboard Apr 02 07:32:03 LiraNuna: well, i don't think wimax was the best choice Apr 02 07:32:21 aquatix, at the time it predated itself Apr 02 07:32:30 if WiMAX had a faster adoption rate :( Apr 02 07:32:47 i think lte will be better Apr 02 07:33:05 lte? Apr 02 07:33:12 long-term evolution Apr 02 07:33:20 other 4G technique Apr 02 07:33:24 better than wimax i think Apr 02 07:34:23 btw, this is the paper I mentioned (just found it): http://xxx.lanl.gov/abs/0903.5321 Apr 02 07:34:43 that's the Los Alamos National Lab site... no idea why they chose that subdomain Apr 02 07:35:08 LiraNuna: fyi, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_Term_Evolution Apr 02 07:35:21 aquatix, and because Nokia declared N810 WiMAX EoL - I had to pay 100$ more to get it Apr 02 07:35:33 jaem: because it's a mature paper? :) Apr 02 07:35:39 LiraNuna: ick Apr 02 07:35:40 no, it's not Apr 02 07:36:02 aquatix, but I know it's 100% compatible to everything normal N810 has to offer Apr 02 07:36:14 aquatix: fyi, you can't wget it without spoofing the useragent - they block crawlers and such Apr 02 07:36:16 ooh, Cosmology and Extragalactic Astrophysics Apr 02 07:36:17 so I will get WiMAX when it's actually available Apr 02 07:36:47 LiraNuna: yeah, *when* ... :( Apr 02 07:36:56 * aquatix knows only of a few places Apr 02 07:37:07 they plan on having it in SF by early 2010 Apr 02 07:37:33 (assuming the municipality won't block it just like the blocked google wanting to cover the city with free wifi) Apr 02 07:37:57 yeah :/ Apr 02 07:38:05 i think amsterdam has good coverage too Apr 02 07:38:36 but where i live and work, there's no wimax Apr 02 07:39:55 haha: (from the paper): "More speculatively, one might consider the possibility that the values of the integers could vary with time, a result suggested by several early Fortran simulations" Apr 02 07:40:09 "This possibility would have obvious implications for finance and accounting" :P Apr 02 07:40:12 hahaha Apr 02 07:40:42 also, a footnote: Apr 02 07:40:45 Morning, all Apr 02 07:40:57 "I could have checked the original references, but it was easier to look everything up on Wikipedia" Apr 02 07:41:02 g'night, Jaffa Apr 02 07:41:20 morn jaffa Apr 02 07:41:38 well, I'm off to bed Apr 02 07:41:42 physics lab exam in the morning Apr 02 07:41:54 blech - I have 7 hours to sleep >_< Apr 02 07:44:22 jaem: "Variables won't, constants aren't." Apr 02 07:44:53 RST38h: notice that the author of the paper cites himself for everything, including citing papers that he hasn't finished yet Apr 02 07:46:34 jaem: that is normal. Apr 02 07:47:08 jaem: Especially if he is sending it to a philosophy, politology, or some other shit oriented journal Apr 02 07:47:11 not for everything is it? some maybe Apr 02 07:47:28 well, one of the citations says "not written yet, but I have a title picked out" Apr 02 08:06:52 good morning Apr 02 08:22:08 Hmm...IBM is buying Sun? Apr 02 08:22:29 when was that article timestamped? Apr 02 08:22:36 before april 1 Apr 02 08:22:37 oh - before I forget/actually go to bed... Apr 02 08:22:39 RST38h: is it more official now? there's been rumours Apr 02 08:22:49 rumors are way stronger now Apr 02 08:23:01 RST38h: any word on when the new version of ATI85 is going to be out? Apr 02 08:23:16 but the SPARC architecture is fucked anyway, whether Sun gets bought by IBM or becomes a penny stock Apr 02 08:23:23 .. why is my firefox entering quakeroats.com Apr 02 08:23:25 why. Apr 02 08:23:29 jaem: As soon as wazd finishes two more faceplates Apr 02 08:23:37 RST38h: yay! Apr 02 08:23:52 that's great work, by the way Apr 02 08:24:09 are you planning to implement fake linking to the host NIT, or some other way of loading apps? Apr 02 08:25:12 probably Apr 02 08:26:06 RST38h: too bad we can't output digital signals to the headphone jack, and physically link two NITs running emulators ;) Apr 02 08:26:13 that would be rather silly, though Apr 02 08:26:14 http://www.engadget.com/2009/04/01/smartq-5-mid-gets-unboxed/ Apr 02 08:26:19 given that we have Wifi/BT Apr 02 08:26:24 jaem: You can do it over tcpip Apr 02 08:26:33 Stskeeps: I saw that - it looks nice-ish, at least, for the price Apr 02 08:26:45 do you know what proc/RAM it has? Apr 02 08:27:03 667mhz arm11, 128mb ram, 1gb internal nand Apr 02 08:27:09 not bad... Apr 02 08:27:09 sd slot Apr 02 08:27:14 I wonder what the quality's like... Apr 02 08:27:18 it's pretty tempting Apr 02 08:27:25 or would be, if I could afford even that atm Apr 02 08:27:29 Sts: This is the RX-51, is it? Apr 02 08:27:30 it's basically a n800 on steroids Apr 02 08:27:33 RST38h: hehe, nah Apr 02 08:27:47 hi Apr 02 08:27:47 even though their product manager is a n800 user.. Apr 02 08:28:01 RST38h: corporate espionage - it WAS going to be the N800... now Nokia has to one-up their own product ;) Apr 02 08:28:07 just kidding Apr 02 08:28:13 s/N800/RX-51/ Apr 02 08:28:28 hm Apr 02 08:28:52 Is it made of metal? Apr 02 08:29:01 check the unboxing i guess Apr 02 08:29:17 more importantly, how easily can we get it NA? Apr 02 08:29:23 my guess is, not very Apr 02 08:29:23 hehe, looks familiar: http://kamleung.com/goodies/q5/slides/IMG_5917.html Apr 02 08:29:42 yeah.. it's obvious which inspirations has pulled through Apr 02 08:29:59 no dpad though Apr 02 08:30:50 and +/- buttons are placed awkwardly Apr 02 08:31:05 on the other hand, it runs ubuntu Apr 02 08:31:13 * Stskeeps could probably find use for one Apr 02 08:36:35 NVidia puts netbook into a cardreader case: http://www.nvidia.com/object/io_1238648403400.html Apr 02 08:49:34 * RST38h curses Win7 and queues responsible MS employees for extermination Apr 02 08:51:49 Mth Apr 02 08:52:36 RST38h: i tought win7 was made of awesome... Apr 02 08:53:55 http://exiledonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/crochand.jpg Apr 02 08:54:17 t_s_o: That is Win7 at the picture Apr 02 08:54:36 heh Apr 02 08:54:40 ouch ;) Apr 02 09:03:13 Actually, the whole article is mildly interesting: http://exiledonline.com/class-war-101-meet-the-reptiles-who-are-making-meat-out-of-you/ Apr 02 09:03:30 heh, http://linuxdevices.com/news/NS3314447002.html Apr 02 09:03:31 neat Apr 02 09:04:29 "The RISC-based R8610 CPU, said to be compatible with the 486SX instruction set" <== what do they mean? Apr 02 09:04:45 i've had a R8610 based wifi board actually Apr 02 09:04:45 Is it running Bochs? :) Apr 02 09:05:04 no clue, but it did actually run 486 apps Apr 02 09:05:15 holy shit Apr 02 09:05:28 hmm nice Apr 02 09:05:41 i think i could probably stuff this in the wall or something Apr 02 09:07:13 geodegx1 is 486 compat too Apr 02 09:07:14 hahahah Apr 02 09:07:29 http://linuxdevices.com/news/NS7538129611.html <- this was an excellent AP Apr 02 09:07:34 i ran debian on it Apr 02 09:07:38 * RST38h would avoid something like that Apr 02 09:07:56 Hardware 486SX emulator is the last thing I need :) Apr 02 09:08:03 *g* Apr 02 09:08:15 RST38h: ah, it's a risc core that executes the i486 instruction set Apr 02 09:09:52 Sts: supporting instruction set is not enough Apr 02 09:10:12 well that particular cpu supported linux just fine :P Apr 02 09:11:15 Sts: You have to have the braindamaged register file, multiple weird CPU modes, obscure irq delivery mechanisms, MMU made by balding hackers, etc Apr 02 09:11:22 heh Apr 02 09:11:28 true Apr 02 09:11:35 but i ran a debian i486 on it just fine :) Apr 02 09:11:44 At least it is an -SX, so you do not need to implement that goddamn 8087 Apr 02 09:13:11 * lcuk presses RST38h's turbo button Apr 02 09:16:39 who can say to me name of contacts program in maemo? Apr 02 09:17:50 osso-addressbook Apr 02 09:17:59 Good luck finding it though w/out a real device Apr 02 09:22:06 florian: hello) have you 10 minutes? Apr 02 09:23:13 qwerty12: ah, it is actually closed source? Apr 02 09:23:28 Yeah, like a lot of stuff Apr 02 09:23:38 damn) Apr 02 09:24:32 Garfeild: yes sure Apr 02 09:24:51 florian: have you seen my proposal for gsoc? Apr 02 09:25:42 Garfeild: I have seen that it is submitted but I haven't read it yet. Apr 02 09:25:49 hi to all who is awaken ... Apr 02 09:26:21 morning Apr 02 09:26:37 :) Apr 02 09:26:51 florian: my proposal about contacts import/export, but i have found this program for maemo: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/syncevolution/ Apr 02 09:27:12 anybody know about the latest "hack" on nv Apr 02 09:27:19 florian: and now i'm not understand what i need to do (o_O) Apr 02 09:27:24 n8xx i mean Apr 02 09:27:30 which hack? :P Apr 02 09:27:58 :) some not ordinary thing i guess .... :) again ... Apr 02 09:28:38 Garfeild: What you can do to improve what is there. There is another starting point: maemo-sync. (I'm in charge of this...) Apr 02 09:29:07 aha...i didn't know about it Apr 02 09:30:03 florian: where can i read about it more detailed? Apr 02 09:30:08 Garfeild: Maybe take a look at the OpenSync design (the unstable one would be recommnded for a new application). Apr 02 09:30:17 morning wazd Apr 02 09:31:32 Garfeild: http://fl0rian.wordpress.com/2008/04/02/maemo-sync-packages/ Apr 02 09:33:18 Garfeild: btw. The list in the wiki is not a limitation. *If* you like you can always extend or refine your proposal. Apr 02 09:33:54 hello world Apr 02 09:34:06 hi wazd Apr 02 09:36:20 florian: i must rewrite my porposal anyway, because import/export != sync Apr 02 09:38:06 Garfeild: Syncing is harder but there are some useful tools available (e.g. OpenSync) so if you would like to do this it would be even better. Apr 02 09:45:06 qwerty12, update to 2.0.19? Apr 02 09:45:34 yerga, yeah, I've already sorted out the packing now, I'm just going through a diff of your changes now :) Apr 02 09:45:47 ah, perfect Apr 02 09:46:05 it would be cool if the icon in the menu could be 64x64 Apr 02 09:46:18 now, it gets the small one Apr 02 09:46:23 Yeah, I've sorted that - they've included a newer svg :) Apr 02 09:46:37 cool, you're terrific! Apr 02 09:47:46 yerga, I'm using this icon (it was included) : http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/gftp-48x48.png :) Apr 02 09:48:05 Looks better, IMHO, than the old one with the GNOME logo Apr 02 09:48:17 yes, it's nicer Apr 02 09:48:55 very similar to maemoftp one Apr 02 09:49:26 Yes, I couldn't help but think that too... :) Apr 02 09:51:54 florian: pm? Apr 02 10:00:59 hi all Apr 02 10:02:07 re Apr 02 10:02:41 very quiet.... Apr 02 10:02:54 good night.... Apr 02 10:03:05 hi hi good afternoon :) Apr 02 10:03:28 hi) Apr 02 10:03:55 pleasr come in ...... Apr 02 10:04:41 boring... Apr 02 10:04:50 :/ Apr 02 10:08:00 if i flash OS to 8gb memory card, will i have more memory for apps?? Apr 02 10:08:07 help plz Apr 02 10:08:16 you will have more disk space for apps Apr 02 10:08:26 thats not the same as memory though :) Apr 02 10:09:19 so. will it be better? Apr 02 10:11:17 florian: can i use you private? ) Apr 02 10:15:21 svu_: hi) Apr 02 10:16:18 Garfield, hi Apr 02 10:16:21 t1x : it could be better Apr 02 10:16:41 alterego, ping :) Apr 02 10:17:03 Garfield : why do you need florian privately :) Apr 02 10:17:41 LopLiii: i want to talk him about sync program for gsoc) Apr 02 10:18:04 ehmmm .... its okaaay to me .... :) joke Apr 02 10:20:04 * florian suffers from a bad internet connection Apr 02 10:21:18 * svu_ enjoys it Apr 02 10:24:54 RST38h: around?) Apr 02 10:26:33 im still here ))) Apr 02 10:27:08 did we get invaded by russians btw? :P Apr 02 10:27:23 just the huge amount of people using )'s ;) Apr 02 10:27:27 im russian Apr 02 10:28:13 invaded ? in which mean? Apr 02 10:28:18 n810 forever!!!!!!! :D Apr 02 10:28:25 oh my) Apr 02 10:28:30 I'm not with them xD Apr 02 10:28:32 Stskeeps: yes) our country become Rossiyskaya Imperiya and world will be US! Apr 02 10:28:47 )) Apr 02 10:28:49 you mean ours ;) Apr 02 10:28:54 O_o Apr 02 10:28:59 yes ) Apr 02 10:29:07 Whats with the ) Apr 02 10:29:25 :) :) Apr 02 10:29:27 Stskeeps: tomorrow you will talk on Russian or die! ) Apr 02 10:29:38 damn) Apr 02 10:29:39 lol Apr 02 10:29:44 sorry for my English (^_^) Apr 02 10:29:49 true! Apr 02 10:30:04 jeez... :) Apr 02 10:30:46 Are internet tablets common in russia btw? Apr 02 10:31:46 Stskeeps: do you know if Ti 84+SE is just a color variation of 84+? No new buttons'n'stuff? Apr 02 10:31:56 wazd: no sorry, i only own ti 83 Apr 02 10:32:00 but i wouldn't be surprised Apr 02 10:32:20 Stskeeps: can't see any difference on photos Apr 02 10:32:23 umm... i live in USA two years Apr 02 10:33:05 t1x : what field are you in ? Apr 02 10:35:01 Washington state Apr 02 10:35:06 heya wazd Apr 02 10:35:21 * Stskeeps puts on harold faltermeyer - axel f, and gets on with preparing for thesis meeting Apr 02 10:39:18 RST38h: There are no button or label differences betwween 84+ and 84+SE, just color, right? Apr 02 10:39:45 wazd: I think so, they are essentially the same thing with different bodies and firmware Apr 02 10:40:22 RST38h: maybe we can use "hello kitty" skin as some "easter egg"?) Apr 02 10:41:06 wazd: it is beyond the point right now as I can't make 83+SE,84+, and 84+SE work :( Apr 02 10:41:30 The firmware offered by TI at their site appears to be a partial update to the whole thing Apr 02 10:41:42 ward: i have ti 84SE Apr 02 10:44:43 RST38h: aw( Apr 02 10:45:24 * RST38h has got it up to and including 83+. Should be able to do 73 as well, because it is a kiddie version of 83 Apr 02 10:50:07 Hello ! Apr 02 10:51:30 hi Apr 02 10:52:17 Hmm .. Are there any scripts or web services that convert an RSS/ATOM feed into a feed of the full articles (preferably with an optional content stripper/rewriter)? Too many feeds with only previews of the full articles.. Apr 02 10:53:13 nope Apr 02 10:53:20 or i don't know it Apr 02 10:53:56 yes it s a real pain that many website limit the content of their feed to just a small preview Apr 02 10:54:10 just to force us to visit their web site Apr 02 10:54:28 personnally the one that do that i boycott them Apr 02 10:54:33 I think I'll write one, then. Apr 02 10:55:19 rmt: 'plucker' aybe Apr 02 10:56:14 rmt, feed circuit? http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/feedcircuit/ Apr 02 10:56:25 Stskeeps, that looks good. Apr 02 10:56:34 i don't think you have the right to pick their page content and provide it in a webservice Apr 02 10:56:48 qwerty12, I think Feed Circuit will cache the URL, and bring up the locally cached webpage in the browser.. a little cumbersome Apr 02 10:57:00 rmt, ah :/ Apr 02 10:57:23 rmt: You could do something with Yahoo! Pipes Apr 02 10:57:55 * Jaffa uses it to take the Jaiku RSS feed from Mer, and the p.m.o RSS feed and combine/edit them for the news feed on http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer - it's powerful stuff Apr 02 10:58:38 * RST38h would like an RSS reader that avoids the browser completely Apr 02 10:58:42 jaffai think jaiku sends out the full message in the rss though Apr 02 10:58:55 lcuk: I still need to do all manner of manipulation on it Apr 02 10:58:56 Browser startup time is too large anyway and after a few times it just crashes Apr 02 10:59:10 lots of sites simply dont, they send an incomplete frag.. Apr 02 10:59:13 lcuk: pulling out URLs and fetching content is certainly doable as well Apr 02 10:59:17 (I think) Apr 02 10:59:37 its not just grabbing the content, its formatting it afterwards Apr 02 10:59:44 Pipes looks quite good too. Apr 02 11:00:07 obviously doing a transform on a well behaved site that uses css might be feasible Apr 02 11:00:47 lcuk: Have you used Pipes? It's really very powerful Apr 02 11:00:55 A fun toy for this kind of thing Apr 02 11:01:24 RST38h: http://s46.radikal.ru/i114/0904/7d/618a74154136.png Apr 02 11:01:34 ill have a look Apr 02 11:01:59 wazd: do you draw those pics yourself? Apr 02 11:02:07 the skin stuff? Apr 02 11:02:11 but you know, the internet is a series of tubes, not pipes ;) Apr 02 11:02:36 aquatix, pixel by pixel in MSPaint Apr 02 11:02:47 aquatix: well, yep) Apr 02 11:02:53 lcuk: :P Apr 02 11:02:55 wazd: awesome Apr 02 11:03:00 transparency calculations using a ti calculator ;) Apr 02 11:03:32 wazd: i think you're spending way too much time doing so, but still very cool ;) Apr 02 11:04:23 * Stskeeps thinks wazd is very talented and is wondering why he isn't making big bucks yet ;) Apr 02 11:06:07 or maybe he is, and is just pretending to be a poor OSS lover Apr 02 11:06:56 Stskeeps, last time he made big bucks he was arrested for making counterfeit money (which looked good with nice effects and smooth numbers) Apr 02 11:07:22 ghehehe Apr 02 11:07:30 heh aquatix so you envisage wazd in a massive office with a team of graphic designers around him Apr 02 11:07:40 now he's designing the next generation money? ;) Apr 02 11:07:42 Stskeeps: got vbox working Apr 02 11:07:46 good :) Apr 02 11:07:58 could only get it running as root but thats fine Apr 02 11:08:06 yeah, makes sense though Apr 02 11:08:17 lcuk: or secluded in a luxury villa, working on his own projects Apr 02 11:08:18 it is a pretty root operaton to run virtualization software Apr 02 11:08:30 i suppose... but wiuld have been nice to run as a user Apr 02 11:08:49 but i kept having lib issues Apr 02 11:09:06 had to get a 64bit lib tar Apr 02 11:12:00 does there is any problem with the package promoters ? Apr 02 11:12:02 lcuk: and not to forget the giant piles of ti calculators all over his place Apr 02 11:18:31 Stskeeps: does vbox do vsmp? Apr 02 11:18:34 no clue Apr 02 11:18:40 haha Apr 02 11:20:03 im making a centos/zimbra vm now Apr 02 11:20:06 Khertan1, there was a problem with the builder itself the other day Apr 02 11:21:10 lol aquatix wazd and RST38h keep shipping them between each other Apr 02 11:22:10 Khertan1: Shouldn't be. Apr 02 11:22:16 lcuk: maybe i should play parcel deliverer for a little while in their neighbourhood Apr 02 11:22:26 would be a goldmine in second hand calculators Apr 02 11:22:56 * RST38h has never owned a TI calc Apr 02 11:23:16 at least we know where silicon heaven is now :) Apr 02 11:23:24 :) Apr 02 11:24:07 Six out of every ten university students are afraid of mathematics to the point where it deters them from studying technical subjects, according to new research. The proportion of students who "show symptoms of anxiety" regarding maths is also significantly higher among females than males. Apr 02 11:24:50 That is for Spain though Apr 02 11:25:13 RST38h: i lost my passion for math after getting to university math Apr 02 11:25:14 RST38h: so, is it ok?) Apr 02 11:25:31 RST38h: what skin should I fix I forgot Apr 02 11:25:42 RST38h: i think similar numbers are right for the netherlands too Apr 02 11:26:10 wazd: TI83+SE should have blue APPS button instead of MATRIX Apr 02 11:26:12 yes, girls suffer more, its quite simple effort=work*(1-partytime)/sqrt(-beer) Apr 02 11:26:17 RST38h: germany definitely the same Apr 02 11:26:23 wazd: TI83+ should have its own separate skin Apr 02 11:26:51 Probably the same for US as well, but I won't insist on it without some numbers Apr 02 11:27:16 doesnt your strange website have something to say about this Apr 02 11:27:52 Which website? Apr 02 11:28:17 cia world facts? Apr 02 11:28:47 prolly not Apr 02 11:29:34 RST38h: I've already done 83+ Apr 02 11:29:47 wazd: Where is it? =) Apr 02 11:29:56 RST38h: oh, it's SE Apr 02 11:30:02 RST38h: grr) Apr 02 11:30:16 Yep Apr 02 11:30:34 plain 83+ does look similar to 83 though, need a picture? Apr 02 11:30:38 alterego, ping++ Apr 02 11:30:50 RST38h, the one with the random shit in it Apr 02 11:31:08 lcuk: This greatly depends on the kind of shit Apr 02 11:31:09 (no, not iTT) Apr 02 11:31:17 RST38h: no I've found it :) Apr 02 11:31:24 the stuff you spent the best part of the last 2 weeks posting from! Apr 02 11:31:42 lcuk: Ah, THAT ONE! Let us see... Apr 02 11:32:03 tubes are slow today! Apr 02 11:32:06 wazd: have any good proposals for "initial" applets on mer desktop? Apr 02 11:32:31 http://cappello.pbwiki.com/f/ti83%2B01.gif Apr 02 11:32:46 RST38h: well, it's more 83+SE I think Apr 02 11:32:53 the keys are Apr 02 11:32:55 Stskeeps: hmm Apr 02 11:32:58 but the body looks 83 Apr 02 11:33:03 Jaffa, Yahoo pipes looks quite good.. but I'm wondering how I can get it to turn the referred-to URL into a web page request. :-P Apr 02 11:33:42 rmt: there's a URL source that you should be able to pipe the URL in from another operato Apr 02 11:33:45 +r Apr 02 11:34:02 lcuk: http://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-033 Apr 02 11:35:51 RST38h, that site is a true wonder Apr 02 11:39:34 Input: 200 grams of Uranium-238 Apr 02 11:39:34 Setting: Rough Apr 02 11:39:35 Output: [DATA EXPUNGED]. Confirmed death count is ??, including Dr. ????????. SCP-914 intact, testing aborted. Apr 02 11:40:01 lcuk: either that or an ultimate time waste instrument Apr 02 11:40:03 they just leaked information through the redaction Apr 02 11:40:38 the quantum field surrounding the deathcount just went from an unknown state to something >=1 Apr 02 11:40:39 lcuk: You don't think I haven't checked, do you? No, all the redacted stuff is really not present :) Apr 02 11:40:49 lcuk: >=10 really, two digits Apr 02 11:41:01 <100 Apr 02 11:41:08 but they tell you that one person died Apr 02 11:41:17 it could simply be formatted as 01 Apr 02 11:42:09 lcuk: or presented in hexadecimal Apr 02 11:42:18 lcuk: Anyway, http://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/experiment-log-914 is the whole log Apr 02 11:42:24 RST38h: http://s49.radikal.ru/i123/0904/e0/04ac42575c9f.png Apr 02 11:43:36 wazd: ! Saved, will integrate tonight Apr 02 11:44:33 what service uses port 389? Apr 02 11:44:54 ldap? Apr 02 11:45:16 ah. ok thanks Apr 02 11:45:30 having problems with my zimbra install Apr 02 11:56:48 RST38h: http://s54.radikal.ru/i144/0904/e4/674d60e82702.png Apr 02 11:59:06 oh Apr 02 11:59:09 damn Apr 02 11:59:50 wazd: upper F-key labels seem to be too high Apr 02 12:00:31 RST38h: http://s50.radikal.ru/i130/0904/8e/86c80804dde4.png Apr 02 12:00:37 RST38h: yeah-yeah Apr 02 12:02:43 'lo jeremiah_ Apr 02 12:02:58 Hello Stskeeps! Apr 02 12:03:02 How are you? Apr 02 12:03:09 i'm better, you? Apr 02 12:03:28 I'm trying to build a bunch of old packages for fremantle and getting only half-way there Apr 02 12:03:36 So I am good. :) Apr 02 12:04:04 Fighting a bit with sdbmock, which is not my friend. Apr 02 12:04:25 hehe Apr 02 12:04:48 I wonder if pbuilder would be useful in maemo, it appears to do something similar to sdbmock. Apr 02 12:05:00 yeah - but scratchbox is a weird creature Apr 02 12:05:28 so you think it isn't scriptable? Apr 02 12:05:31 wazd: yea, this one looks ok, using it! Apr 02 12:05:37 scratchbox that is Apr 02 12:05:43 all the parts now seem to be in order, will try releasing tonight' Apr 02 12:06:30 jeremiah_: well, if you want to see my script that is kinda like a pbuilder.. sec Apr 02 12:07:04 RST38h: cool Apr 02 12:09:35 jeremiah_: http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/sb-mer.txt , http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/sb-build.txt , what i use in mer builder :P Apr 02 12:13:00 Stskeeps: I'll think 'bout default applets Apr 02 12:13:21 k Apr 02 12:13:36 Hmm, excellent. Apr 02 12:13:46 I will take a look at that Stskeeps Apr 02 12:14:15 jeremiah_: the problem is that pbuilder treats it like a chroot whereas sb is more like a single-name chroot Apr 02 12:14:53 Stskeeps: Uh-oh, those differences sound a little to esoteric for me. :) Apr 02 12:14:56 hehe Apr 02 12:14:57 Can you explain? Apr 02 12:15:34 as in scratchbox works with "targets" you can set up, whereas pbuilder just makes a directory with a buildd rootstrap extracted and chroots into it Apr 02 12:17:56 seems that in SB you are defining architectures as well as a chroot, whereas with pbuilder, it just uses whatever cpu you happen to have Apr 02 12:18:02 ? Apr 02 12:18:05 yeah Apr 02 12:18:08 k Apr 02 12:18:40 SB is a chroot _plus_ qemu Apr 02 12:18:55 Actually, that makes things quite flexible Apr 02 12:19:12 jeremiah_: That is needed because a package might need to run the armel code. Apr 02 12:19:41 gotcha Apr 02 12:20:29 X-Fade: thanks for fixing the autobuilder issues :) Apr 02 12:20:49 lizardo: Did the cpu-transp upgrade help? Apr 02 12:21:44 X-Fade: I just re-uploaded the package, we will in a few minutes/hours Apr 02 12:21:53 (will know) Apr 02 12:22:13 lizardo: Won't take that long, the package isn't large? Apr 02 12:22:45 X-Fade: it's not, and it just got select for building \o/ Apr 02 12:23:17 X-Fade: Have you ever configured sbdmock? Apr 02 12:24:37 Unfortunately the README file is empty. :( Apr 02 12:25:23 jeremiah_: Did you create the config files for each target? Apr 02 12:25:24 X-Fade: pybluez 0.15-1.1maemo3 OK :) Apr 02 12:25:53 X-Fade: Nope. Apr 02 12:26:06 X-Fade: Can you point to some documentation for doing that? Apr 02 12:26:27 jeremiah_: No, but I can give you the ones we use ;) Apr 02 12:26:43 X-Fade: Even better. :) Apr 02 12:26:53 Will they work for fremantle? Apr 02 12:27:06 jeremiah_: What do you think the autobuilder uses? Apr 02 12:27:27 Ahhh . . . gum? Apr 02 12:27:32 how would i find out the window class of some app on maemo? Apr 02 12:27:38 =) Apr 02 12:28:06 svu_: What exactly do you mean by "window class"? Apr 02 12:28:18 Window manager or . . . ? Apr 02 12:28:33 windows windows have a window class ;) Apr 02 12:28:45 xwininfo Apr 02 12:28:53 jeremiah, in X11 sense Apr 02 12:29:44 xwininfo: not found Apr 02 12:29:59 xprop not found as well Apr 02 12:30:33 svu_ so from within your app you want to enumerate the x11 window stack and find certain kinds of windows. which language are you trying this from - or do oyu wnat a console app Apr 02 12:31:50 lcuk, i mean - in shell? Apr 02 12:32:09 without C or python code Apr 02 12:32:27 i dunno then Apr 02 12:32:36 jaffa is probably steering you right ;) Apr 02 12:34:18 svu_: xwininfo is in x11-utils Apr 02 12:35:34 Package x11-utils is not available, but is referred to by another package. Apr 02 12:35:42 :) Apr 02 12:36:34 svu_: Which OS are you in? Apr 02 12:36:40 I see x11-utils in fremantle Apr 02 12:36:46 and in lenny Apr 02 12:36:46 diablo Apr 02 12:36:53 jeremiah_: That is sdk. Apr 02 12:37:06 svu_: you might need to add the tools or even SDK repos temporarily Apr 02 12:38:31 Somebody want to set the topics for the meeting? Apr 02 12:38:56 i checked diablo sdk on my laptop, do not see that package Apr 02 12:45:19 dneary: ping Apr 02 12:45:57 Jaffa: pong Apr 02 12:46:11 Jaffa: 0-1 Apr 02 12:50:40 damnit Apr 02 12:50:48 screwed up the install Apr 02 12:50:56 have to start over now =/ Apr 02 12:53:43 dneary: would rescheduling the sprint meeting to Tuesday be better for you? Apr 02 12:54:17 Jaffa: Then tekojo can't join us. Apr 02 12:54:18 Jaffa: Well, I will be at a conference... Apr 02 12:54:33 Jaffa: So any time next week will be hard Apr 02 12:54:39 X-Fade: bah, does no-one do anyt work? ;-) Apr 02 12:54:47 dneary: thought as much. thanks for the update Apr 02 12:54:50 But sure, a time early morning Tuesday could work Apr 02 12:54:58 (early morning PST) Apr 02 12:55:02 Jaffa: Me, I'm here all week ;) Apr 02 12:55:12 I'm UTC-7 next week Apr 02 12:56:18 X-Fade, we don't like you anymore Apr 02 12:56:24 you're old sauce Apr 02 12:56:40 GeneralAntilles: Puh! Apr 02 12:57:03 'morning, etrunko Apr 02 12:57:18 Hmm, while doing test imports of all user/* packages in Extras. I see we really need to clean up some mess. Apr 02 12:57:30 morn GeneralAntilles Apr 02 12:57:32 all Apr 02 12:57:42 l10n files in user, help files per language in user, even a lib in user.. Apr 02 12:58:05 Soundfiles too. Apr 02 12:58:21 X-Fade, waiting on freaking Nokia to start the spam Apr 02 12:58:22 We really need a way to group packages for an application in the Application Manager. Apr 02 12:58:36 X-Fade: indeed, hence the suggestions for sub-sections for app... that. Apr 02 12:58:40 But, as usual, Nokia can't be relied upon. Apr 02 12:58:59 I'd say we fork. Apr 02 12:59:35 And offer the package as Replaces: ;) Apr 02 12:59:53 Doesn't help 99% of the users using Extras Apr 02 13:01:30 GAN800: True. Apr 02 13:01:49 We need to get rm_you into Helsinki with some frozen trouts. Apr 02 13:03:08 'course, "Hey, Nokia, the categories are all now unlocalized and looking like hell, but here's the really simple thing you can do to fix it!" might work. Apr 02 13:03:20 Users will blame Nokia, not us. Apr 02 13:03:35 GAN800: I saw screenshots of the grid at least. Apr 02 13:03:50 Or was it the youtube capture.. Apr 02 13:04:06 I dislike ultimatums, but it might have to come to that. Apr 02 13:04:27 The Maemo 5 on Beagle screencast Apr 02 13:05:09 That still doesn't really help, though. Having two sets of categories is almost worse than one bad set. Apr 02 13:05:14 I'll try to contact the right people again. See if I can get the message across. Apr 02 13:05:28 bring a vodka bottle, it usually helps Apr 02 13:05:34 Actually, the ultimatum idea sounds like something I want to do. Apr 02 13:11:20 pata-pata-pata-pon! Apr 02 13:11:34 The "don't show un-l10n categories" change is in the HAM trunk (and so in Mer) - it does help Apr 02 13:12:30 I'm doing the same with my new auto Extras -> Downloads importing script. Everything that is not in an official category -> Other ;) Apr 02 13:12:34 Let's give them a date when we'll start pushing maintainers to change over. Apr 02 13:12:51 They can either ship a h-a-m update or not. Apr 02 13:12:51 X-Fade: is it normal to sometimes have the following error when using dput: Uploading to fremantle-extras-builder (via scp to garage.maemo.org): Apr 02 13:12:52 Permission denied (publickey,keyboard-interactive). Apr 02 13:12:52 lost connection Apr 02 13:13:02 As it is, I'm tired of being ignored. Apr 02 13:13:17 X-Fade: I only get it momentarily if I try to upload sometime later, it just works Apr 02 13:13:42 lizardo: We get more reports about that. But the funny thing is, it never happens to me.. Apr 02 13:14:15 5 Apr 02 13:14:19 X-Fade: yeah I can't reproduce it always , so I just ignore and try later :) Apr 02 13:14:21 lizardo: It might have something to do with lingering connections, but I can't find anything in the logs.. Apr 02 13:14:49 lizardo: The firewall has some kind of rate limit too. Apr 02 13:15:11 lizardo: So if you connect a lot of times in a short period it will block you for a short while. Apr 02 13:17:00 X-Fade: well, I usually take a few minutes beetween my package uploads (I don't like to uploading all at once), but that's good to know ;) Apr 02 13:17:22 lizardo: But dput might copy each file in a separate connection. Apr 02 13:17:41 lizardo: I'll write an email to the isp to see if they have an actual rate limit active. Apr 02 13:19:20 X-Fade: ok Apr 02 13:19:49 lizardo: If you are in a hurry, the extras assistant works via http ;) Apr 02 13:20:27 X-Fade: that's no problem , as I said, waiting just a couple of minutes and trying again works for me :) Apr 02 13:25:46 wow, Intel is leaving moblin, very very strange :P Apr 02 13:26:02 ah, so i'm not the only one seeing that Apr 02 13:26:14 handing over the stewardship to linux foundation Apr 02 13:26:39 subscribe to LWN :) Apr 02 13:27:44 Stskeeps, yes, and Isn't a april fool's day joke Apr 02 13:28:10 VDVsx: well they never say that they won't develop for it.. but handing over stewardship is a little like putting it in the grave Apr 02 13:28:30 without there being a community to use it.. Apr 02 13:28:39 agreed Apr 02 13:28:45 but then again, i saw this coming after they moved to Fedora for fucking bullshit reasons.. Apr 02 13:28:49 :P Apr 02 13:28:57 lol Apr 02 13:29:14 one less competitor for Mer ;P Apr 02 13:29:19 Ha Apr 02 13:29:28 Stskeeps == Doctor Evil Apr 02 13:29:34 one more, moblin being free means some other stskeeps is waiting in the wings :P Apr 02 13:30:00 Stskeeps, I never understood that move (fedora) Apr 02 13:30:09 VDVsx: .rpm files can have license information Apr 02 13:30:17 that was the official reason Apr 02 13:30:21 Internet usage in Sweden took a dramatic 30 per cent dip on Wednesday, as the countrys new anti-file sharing law came into effect Apr 02 13:30:35 RST38h: it'll go up again .. same thing was seen with the big busts back in 2000 Apr 02 13:30:44 Now they just have to outlaw porn and then disconnect .SE completley =) Apr 02 13:31:00 Stskeeps, like you have to accept things in order to install ? Apr 02 13:31:05 Sts: What do you get for Torrent, anyway? A jail sentence? Apr 02 13:31:06 VDVsx: yeah Apr 02 13:31:12 buuuuu Apr 02 13:31:16 RST38h: nfi. in sweden they probably send you to finland or something.. Apr 02 13:31:48 no, they will restrict your net access to a pitiful 50mbit Apr 02 13:31:57 Sts: ...and in finland they behead you with an axe? =) Apr 02 13:31:59 Stskeeps, I have to get a cat, before switch to fedora :P Apr 02 13:32:32 how do they know it went down 30% were they checking seeders on torrents? Apr 02 13:32:52 or direct from the isps Apr 02 13:32:59 lcuk: you can just count bytes at the pipes leading to the country Apr 02 13:33:10 lcuk: national uplinks are usually not that numerous Apr 02 13:33:25 RST38h, then internet usage might not have gone down, just turned more introspective Apr 02 13:33:28 VDVsx: now, it's not entirely hard to stuff a license into a debian/control, or debian/copyright :P Apr 02 13:33:36 semi private hubs and chans for sharing within country Apr 02 13:33:38 lcuk: true Apr 02 13:33:46 lcuk: or some national internet exchange Apr 02 13:33:54 between isps and such Apr 02 13:34:06 possible Apr 02 13:34:10 long live sneakernet Apr 02 13:34:16 though its a bit bloody cold up there Apr 02 13:34:33 what else are they gonna do when their routers and hubs arent working fast enough to heat the room Apr 02 13:35:02 * aquatix expects an explosion in number of Swedes at the end of the year Apr 02 13:35:10 finland needs to export more saunas! Apr 02 13:35:20 and that Apr 02 13:40:05 that sucked Apr 02 13:40:08 mm? Apr 02 13:40:13 had to reinstall zimbra Apr 02 13:40:54 * RST38h read it as "finland needs to export more santas!" Apr 02 13:44:04 alterego, ping++ Apr 02 13:46:19 Jaffa: ping Apr 02 13:47:29 lbt: pong Apr 02 13:50:32 http://etrunko.blogspot.com/2009/04/looks-familiar.html Apr 02 13:50:37 aw c'mon)) Apr 02 13:50:50 simpsons did it Apr 02 13:51:10 Canola UI is good but "round icons in a grid" is not a rocket science) Apr 02 13:51:45 Stskeeps: yep)) Apr 02 13:53:22 And again UI is definitely NOT how things are placed on the screen Apr 02 13:53:23 wazd: Also, LG steals UI elements left and right Apr 02 13:53:33 lucky goldstar Apr 02 13:53:34 wazd: So I would not be surprised, really Apr 02 13:53:42 It's how they interact with user Apr 02 13:54:16 RST38h: how would you steal "UI element"?) Apr 02 13:54:48 RST38h: Inspired by.... Apr 02 13:54:51 wazd: tak iPhone home screen, arrange your icons in the same way, on black background, use three bottom icons for something else Apr 02 13:54:58 lol, put some icons in a gird form and make the icons a certain shape, boom its a copy :) Apr 02 13:55:06 wazd: If this is not enough, use the same or similar icons as iPhone Apr 02 13:55:28 wazd: Let 100 Chinese university graduates draw them for you in garish MS Paint colors Apr 02 13:55:37 RST38h: well, what's the border between "common use" and "total ripoff"?) Apr 02 13:55:41 ok, i got xprop built for atmel Apr 02 13:55:47 wazd: Dunno Apr 02 13:56:00 wazd: I guess common use is when everybody has ripped it off already Apr 02 13:56:00 RST38h: so it's totally personal Apr 02 13:56:16 wazd: Before it happens, this action is known as a total ripoff :) Apr 02 13:56:26 RST38h: every iPhone fanboy will tell you that every device on the market is an iPhone ripoff Apr 02 13:56:38 when it's just known as a total ripoff it's not too late to go to courts, when it's common use it is Apr 02 13:56:46 RST38h: car, washing machine, table, whatever) Apr 02 13:56:50 wazd: Well, we both know better that not EVERY device is an iPhone ripoff, just some :) Apr 02 13:57:19 RST38h: and strangely enough stuff that was on market before iphone is an iphone ripoff Apr 02 13:57:36 mantra: it all started in xerox Apr 02 13:57:39 glass <-- speaketh the truth Apr 02 13:57:53 glass: I do not know of any Apr 02 13:58:29 RST38h: Anyway, writing "hahaha, it reminds me something" after seing single screenshot is a bit childish Apr 02 13:58:32 glass: iPhone UI *is* pretty specific, once you define it beyond the common "screen with icons" concept Apr 02 13:58:34 RST38h: 7710? shown to the right guy Apr 02 13:59:32 wazd: it is, but I have read a few more articles about LG UIs being ripoffs Apr 02 13:59:46 wazd: So, this may not be as pure coincidence as it looks Apr 02 14:00:02 at least they're not noklas Apr 02 14:00:22 glass: your own photo, shown to the right guy who has not taken his medication, can be interpreted in a really unexpected way Apr 02 14:00:54 medication? Apr 02 14:00:55 RST38h: yes but theres enough of them. any nokia now with touchscreen is iphone ripoff to some(idiots) Apr 02 14:01:30 glass: ah the logic behind that is easy Apr 02 14:01:59 glass: Nokia did not have any touch screen phones -> Apple got there first -> Now Nokia releases a touch screen phone -> It MUST be copying Apple! Apr 02 14:03:09 glass: We both know that there are problems with this reasoning starting with point #1, but to an average consumer out there it looks simple, easy to comprehend, and makes him feel better about his iPhone Apr 02 14:03:31 http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2009/03/30/lgs-gd900-with-multi-touch-transparent-keypad-gets-s-class-u/ Apr 02 14:03:36 ok, icons are bubbles Apr 02 14:03:55 LG has hi-jacked my brain and stole this idea from mer concept Apr 02 14:04:05 haha) Apr 02 14:04:51 glass: If you consider than an average US consumer has got mortgage(s), credit card(s), AND a 2-year AT&T iPhone contract all stuck up his anal cavity, you will probably agree that these poor guys need all the psychotherapy they can get Apr 02 14:05:54 glass: Even at the cost ot trashing some unfortunate eurogeek with his Nokia they meet in an internet forum Apr 02 14:06:06 Don't forget car loans, car insurance, and I know multiple people whose montly cable bill is _more_ than their car insurance. Apr 02 14:10:14 wazd: Their (LG's) icons, if you remove the bubbles, are definitely lifted from iPhone Apr 02 14:11:53 RST38h: that's the other story :) Apr 02 14:12:03 RST38h: I'd rather agree with you :) Apr 02 14:12:48 and cube transformation is definitely compiz :) Apr 02 14:13:04 ah the cube has been there before Apr 02 14:13:20 starting with Win3.1 or so, so it is not news Apr 02 14:13:57 Also kinda unpleasant to use, like Descent Apr 02 14:14:20 what! i loved descent Apr 02 14:19:27 http://uk.cars.yahoo.com/02042009/36/black-box-cars-closer-0.html Apr 02 14:19:33 does anyone see any flaws in this Apr 02 14:21:29 hola Apr 02 14:21:41 hola lopz Apr 02 14:21:53 lcuk: This has been used on trucks for a while now Apr 02 14:22:02 heya roue !! Apr 02 14:22:34 hi, is there any mentors for the project "alarm for maemo"? Apr 02 14:22:39 lcuk: this yahoo journo probably got the "pulse" concept wrong Apr 02 14:22:48 may be Valério Valério Apr 02 14:23:29 RST38h, yeah the pulse does, but it doesnt send to the sat Apr 02 14:23:41 lcuk: dunno how they are going to implement p2p (they just won't, most likely) but the car position is reported over GSM Apr 02 14:24:10 lcuk: so, you can expect speeding tickets and road tools in the mail Apr 02 14:24:12 yeah RST38h thats how i understood it - and technically it could be done using the pinging local traffic signs etc Apr 02 14:24:16 s/tools/tolls Apr 02 14:24:16 that makes sense actually Apr 02 14:24:20 even mre than gsm Apr 02 14:24:32 they are tools Apr 02 14:24:39 complete utter ones Apr 02 14:24:44 lcuk: Yea, only these shits won't do anything this fancy Apr 02 14:25:08 well london has the highest tech cctv automatic recognition system in the world :) Apr 02 14:25:13 i would never say never Apr 02 14:25:24 lcuk: They will take the proven GPS+GSM system and pay some gov contractor to "implement" it and make every driver install it Apr 02 14:26:30 lcuk: They will use the system for the most practical (for them) purposes, i.e. surveillance and billing. The rest will stay in research stage indefinitely, unless there is a need in these features Apr 02 14:28:13 xushaw, what do you need ? Apr 02 14:34:59 hm, didn't i see a Doctor Who episode with `black boxes' in cars? Apr 02 14:35:15 Hi again Apr 02 14:35:57 yes, atmos Apr 02 14:36:10 i think Apr 02 14:36:24 Is there *any* subject that has not been mentioned or at least hinted at in a Doctor Who episode? Apr 02 14:36:47 I what to ask, what about using standard time.h for this project? Apr 02 14:38:06 for what alarmd? Apr 02 14:38:19 RST38h, if they are doing that, they should include a cheap accel unit in and report back on the bumpiness of the journey and send road crews out automatically Apr 02 14:38:42 lcuk: Will that make them any profit? Apr 02 14:39:06 xushaw, take a look here: https://garage.maemo.org/projects/alarmd/ Apr 02 14:39:09 govt, keeping workers employed :)( Apr 02 14:39:37 they need mics and cameras as well Apr 02 14:39:44 and a speaker Apr 02 14:39:50 lcuk: and a temperature sensor Apr 02 14:40:03 hey yeah, it also needs mapping capabilities Apr 02 14:40:16 lcuk: and some kind of AI that will warn drivers over speaker that they are not behaving in a safe way Apr 02 14:40:26 what about gas detection? Apr 02 14:40:48 lcuk: depends on what kind of gas you mean Apr 02 14:40:50 in a soothing voice? Apr 02 14:41:14 lcuk: If it is UK, it should be done in a robotic voice Apr 02 14:41:39 not at all, cheery bbc voice gets us going, stiff upper lip and all that Apr 02 14:41:50 lcuk: For US, a soothing female voice is better, like in those "keep your bags with you" announcements in the airports Apr 02 14:42:04 "report all suspicious activity" Apr 02 14:42:21 "aye up, get your bags befor ah clip yee round th' ear'ole" Apr 02 14:42:27 they have that Apr 02 14:42:58 ugh. Apr 02 14:43:11 wait, why use voice when you can remotely deliver electric shocks to driver's hind parts? Apr 02 14:43:29 need to get home and finish working on the zimbra box Apr 02 14:48:11 VDVsx, I see u didn't understand me... what about using time.h in the project? I think that it's enough to use time.h instead of alarmd Apr 02 14:49:50 xushaw, I'm not the mentor for this project, if you think it is a good idea, propose it in your application Apr 02 14:51:05 there are no mentors here? Apr 02 14:51:23 xushaw: time.h has nothing about RTC alarms Apr 02 14:51:50 and polling constantly for time to happen is just not possible on a mobile device :) Apr 02 14:52:03 lizardo: Did everything for python got uploaded now? Apr 02 14:53:09 lbt: Hi David Apr 02 14:53:12 Stskeeps, thanx Apr 02 14:53:16 X-Fade: I'm just testing the package installation on beagle, it seems only python-support is missing Apr 02 14:53:42 lizardo: Ah, well it is getting close then! :) Apr 02 14:56:23 GAN800: lol Apr 02 14:56:37 * rm_you goes back to being ridiculously busy again Apr 02 14:56:57 though I would totally go to Helsiki and beat on doors for you GA :P Apr 02 14:57:43 rm_you: been there, but the gatekeeper was pretty convincing ;) Apr 02 14:58:37 "GIVE ME RX-51 OR GIVE ME DEATH" Apr 02 14:58:38 ? Apr 02 14:58:57 lol Apr 02 14:59:10 Stskeeps: Let's say I tried to pass him, but didn't get far ;) Apr 02 14:59:52 hehe Apr 02 15:02:22 How come those TI calc emulators that are installable (from extras?) work right away? isnt it illegal to distribute the rom for those calculators? Apr 02 15:02:36 yep it is Apr 02 15:02:39 If it is, I certainly couldn't give a shit ;) Apr 02 15:03:04 * robtaylor wrote a ti-85 emulator about 12 years ago =) Apr 02 15:03:26 wow, more like 13, scary Apr 02 15:03:30 tank-man: though noone says it can't wget an update rom from ti.com Apr 02 15:03:40 The flyspray package has been removed from Debian Lenny Apr 02 15:03:49 arg ... stupid debian ! Apr 02 15:03:51 oups ww Apr 02 15:03:56 i see is that what it does :) Apr 02 15:08:08 robtaylor, (hi!) how did you get round the distribution problem, or was it for your own amusement Apr 02 15:08:52 lcuk: hey :) I just provided a zshell tool for downloading the rob Apr 02 15:09:14 this was a very very long time ago though =) Apr 02 15:09:16 (17:02:22) tank-man: How come those TI calc emulators that are installable (from extras?) work right away? isnt it illegal to distribute the rom for those calculators? < if i remember hp offer it and autorize author of emulator to distribute it Apr 02 15:09:24 at least for the HP48SX Apr 02 15:09:25 :) Apr 02 15:09:30 yerga, I've added tap and hold, I'll upload gftp to -devel in about ~20 mins Apr 02 15:10:34 lol rob you make it sound like binary was new and fresh back then :P Apr 02 15:10:36 qwerty12, nice Apr 02 15:10:58 qwerty12, the tap-an-hold is global? Apr 02 15:11:07 I mean in every widget Apr 02 15:11:20 yerga, for the file list and the transfer window Apr 02 15:11:36 * lcuk cant ever tap n hold Apr 02 15:11:53 tap n wiggle n tap again Apr 02 15:11:55 qwerty12, cool, it's the most important parts Apr 02 15:12:30 yerga, only thing is that for the transfer window, it only shows one menu option at a time :/ Apr 02 15:15:01 RST38h, the calculator, how feasible is it to have it open into a fullscreen high res graphing view (ie your other existing not Ti one) Apr 02 15:15:10 when you click the screen Apr 02 15:15:26 * svu_ keeps pinging alterego Apr 02 15:16:31 X-Fade, Gandolf? Apr 02 15:17:08 GeneralAntilles: That, I can't say ;) Apr 02 15:17:53 Gandalf to X-Fade; "You shall not pass!" Apr 02 15:23:48 RST38h, E55 has N810-like keyboard, no T9 required Apr 02 15:23:53 RST38h, I think you mean E75? Apr 02 15:25:19 ShadowJK, that might explain it. . . . Apr 02 15:27:08 E55 seems a bit strange in that it allegedly has a 600MHz processor Apr 02 15:29:40 N97 has only vague specs available and no other phone has that CPU if you're to believe nokia Apr 02 15:30:13 * ShadowJK still wants modern hw into E70 shape :( Apr 02 15:30:26 Stskeeps, you'll know, is tana_fi_internet correct? Apr 02 15:31:27 qwerty12: think so Apr 02 15:31:34 thanks Apr 02 15:34:44 hey, there is any way to select multiple files with hildon_file_chooser ? Apr 02 15:35:42 ShadowJK, I'm really surprised the N97 is still ARM11 Apr 02 15:35:55 GeneralAntilles: &@*#(^$@ I want to get autobuilder to build the newest ABL >_< Apr 02 15:36:05 b0unc3, gtk_file_chooser_set_select_multiple works for me but I can only select files that are next to each other by dragging Apr 02 15:37:47 qwerty12: ah gtk_file_chooser ... Apr 02 15:37:49 ty Apr 02 15:37:59 np Apr 02 15:38:46 does anyone know how I can contact frethop? Apr 02 15:38:57 he is marked as mentor for GSoC-project "Implement Internet Storage client" Apr 02 15:43:28 OK, I'm offline for the next couple days. Apr 02 15:43:30 Later all. Apr 02 15:43:50 later GA Apr 02 15:46:26 X-Fade: with autobuilder, if armel build succeeds but x86 build fails, it marks the whole build as failed and does not put the armel build in the promoter? Apr 02 15:48:46 rm_you, just set your Archtecture to armel in control and it'll only build for armel Apr 02 15:48:53 anyone have a machine with a working scratchbox that I can have a shell account on? Apr 02 15:49:01 my SB is borked again and i dont have time to fix it Apr 02 15:49:07 and i want to get this fricking release out Apr 02 15:49:30 been sitting in SVN for like 5 months Apr 02 15:49:33 for no reason Apr 02 15:50:15 yerga, gftp sent to autobuilder Apr 02 15:51:33 rm_you: true. Apr 02 15:51:46 damn Apr 02 15:52:00 why? :/ Apr 02 15:52:27 rm_you: Because you told it you want both armel and x86 packages ;) Apr 02 15:52:31 qwerty12, cool, I'll test it later Apr 02 15:52:32 rm_you try install scratchbox2 and be happy Apr 02 15:53:00 qwerty12, I use it everyday to get from the computer Apr 02 15:53:19 woglinde, scratchbox2 != something that makes me happy :p Apr 02 15:53:38 yerga, cool, I can only assume that it'll be under rigorous testing then ;) Apr 02 15:53:44 I like it much more then sb1 Apr 02 15:54:30 Only problem I had with SB1 is that I couldn't think of a way to SBOX_REDIRECT_IGNORE from rules but I solved that recently so I'm happy :) Apr 02 15:55:02 X-Fade: does it take too long to a built package move to the extras-devel repository ? Apr 02 15:56:05 lizardo, are you uploading pymaemo to fremantle? Apr 02 15:56:13 lizardo: cron runs a few times per hour. Apr 02 15:56:19 lizardo: So not that long.. Apr 02 15:56:23 yerga: yes Apr 02 15:56:47 lizardo, nice, a couple of suggestions Apr 02 15:57:03 X-Fade: ok , here it is :) just took longer than I expected hehe Apr 02 15:57:03 X-Fade hm which hardware the autobuilders run on? Apr 02 15:57:12 lizardo, python-hildon should depends on pygtk Apr 02 15:57:29 and pygtk on pygobject and pycairo Apr 02 15:57:50 parasight_, I will send you the contact in pm Apr 02 15:58:25 yerga: this is all fixed on fremantle :) Apr 02 15:59:04 yerga: we are now closely following the debian packaging , instead of doing our own thing for all packages Apr 02 15:59:23 lizardo, cool thanks, it's a good thing Apr 02 15:59:32 lizardo, that's a relief :) Apr 02 15:59:37 yay less work Apr 02 15:59:59 X-Fade: I just said "any" :P Apr 02 16:00:15 X-Fade: any should be || not && Apr 02 16:00:23 it's *ANY* Apr 02 16:00:36 "Specifying any indicates that the source package isn't dependent on any particular architecture and should compile fine on any one. The produced binary package(s) will be specific to whatever the current build architecture is." Apr 02 16:00:50 Mainly, the first sentence. Apr 02 16:01:00 well, it isn't and it should Apr 02 16:01:07 i dunno wtf is broken on i386 Apr 02 16:01:33 bah Apr 02 16:01:33 advanced-backlight.c:64:34: asm/arch-omap/omapfb.h: No such file or directory Apr 02 16:01:38 <_< Apr 02 16:01:41 fail Apr 02 16:01:55 * rm_you wishes he had a working SB to fix it Apr 02 17:00:42 do they have zfs for linux? Apr 02 17:13:36 Macer: only fuse Apr 02 17:39:08 maemo-barcode is dead, yep? Apr 02 17:40:35 oli, dont think so Apr 02 17:40:39 its just resting Apr 02 17:44:15 it's resting for nearly 2 years ;\ Apr 02 17:46:34 shouldnt be, i thought lardman was working on database stuff recently Apr 02 17:47:22 last svn updated was 8days Apr 02 17:47:24 ago Apr 02 17:47:33 * VDVsx gonna watch WRC again :P Apr 02 17:47:55 VDVsx, what happened that was worth it? Apr 02 17:48:56 lcuk: oh, so I have to check ;) Apr 02 17:49:22 https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/?root=maemo-barcode Apr 02 17:57:37 lcuk, WRC is on town :P, tomorrow I will see live Apr 02 17:57:46 * VDVsx like's motors sports Apr 02 17:58:22 VDVsx, lucky you!! Apr 02 17:58:43 i thought most rallys were in the countryside Apr 02 17:59:31 VDVsx, the grand prix last week was good as well Apr 02 17:59:51 i had Dakar near home this year Apr 02 18:00:06 nice! Apr 02 18:00:21 VDVsx, do you already know where you are standing Apr 02 18:01:23 disco_stuN800, I had in the last 2 years :P Apr 02 18:01:35 disco_stuN800, Dakar Apr 02 18:01:44 how can i set the icon menu to 26x26? Apr 02 18:01:52 valerio, didnt know you were in portugal! :) last 2 holidays have been there Apr 02 18:02:14 lcuk, lol Apr 02 18:02:40 lcuk, and I live in Algarve Apr 02 18:03:30 do you wanna swap, its normally cold n miserable here in manchester? :D Apr 02 18:04:47 lcuk, cold is fine for me, but rainy ....nah Apr 02 18:06:35 is it the first rally you have been to? Apr 02 18:09:42 lcuk, nop, my region have rally's every year (National, TT, WRC, DAKAR..) Apr 02 18:10:09 heh cool, maybe thats a hint you need to fixup the roads :D Apr 02 18:11:50 lcuk, lol, in which part of Portugal have you been ? Apr 02 18:15:53 albufeira and alvor Apr 02 18:16:26 * timelE61i sighs Apr 02 18:16:37 * timelE61i missed lunch again Apr 02 18:16:49 you should set a timer Apr 02 18:16:52 * timelE61i missed a telco for the nth straight week Apr 02 18:17:19 odds are the timer wouldn't survive dst properly :) Apr 02 18:17:55 Otoh, i had an excellent dinner at the local japanese restaurant Apr 02 18:18:16 mmm yes, dst screwed me up for a while Apr 02 18:19:01 so, i think tomorrow i'll take my mac home and set it up from scratch Apr 02 18:19:39 lcuk, I live near to Albufeira, next summer I will pay you a beer :) Apr 02 18:19:45 It's been waiting all week for me to try to rescue it Apr 02 18:20:22 Fwiw, one doesn't usually "pay people a beer" Apr 02 18:20:30 sounds good to me VDVsx :) but we need to get drunk before then Apr 02 18:20:46 You can *buy* a person a beer Apr 02 18:20:59 Or pay them *in* beer Apr 02 18:21:08 buy them with beer Apr 02 18:21:17 you would pay them in beer Apr 02 18:21:49 I'm confused, right now :( Apr 02 18:21:59 You can do that, too (buy with), but it tends to be fairly pricey :) Apr 02 18:22:11 * timelE61i trips walking up a step Apr 02 18:22:15 im so used to things being mispronounced and broken language that i personally dont care anymore Apr 02 18:22:35 as long as the intent gets through :) Apr 02 18:22:39 hiya Khertan Apr 02 18:22:42 i'm still considering the latest gsoc maemo-community post Apr 02 18:22:47 is Csaba here ? (anyone knows his irc nick ?) Apr 02 18:22:51 VDVsx: ^ Apr 02 18:23:01 Where the author butchered the first couple of lines Apr 02 18:23:06 Including the title Apr 02 18:23:34 Note that i only care because language matters Apr 02 18:23:42 The application manager.... Apr 02 18:24:05 yes i know you care timelE61i :) which is why i corrected your correction :P Apr 02 18:24:21 timelE61i, which one ? Apr 02 18:24:35 * timelE61i sighs Apr 02 18:25:25 ? Apr 02 18:26:35 Well, application manager is... Interesting Apr 02 18:26:46 It used to be application installer Apr 02 18:26:59 So its codename is "ai" Apr 02 18:28:06 a string comment says list item in main view Apr 02 18:28:23 And has a value "show installed applications" Apr 02 18:28:40 Obviously, "list" is a typo for "lists" Apr 02 18:29:09 but... the id is ai_li_uninstall Apr 02 18:29:19 and the thing is a button Apr 02 18:29:27 Li means list item Apr 02 18:30:17 The right id would be am_bv_installed_applications Apr 02 18:30:25 ... Apr 02 18:30:29 * timelE61i curses Apr 02 18:30:39 andre: long comments posted internally Apr 02 18:33:03 thanks, seen them. sigh, i'm sometimes also missing the right words so people get it immediately it seems :-/ Apr 02 18:38:25 hey guys, I just accessed this from a website called 'tablet hacker' Apr 02 18:38:42 could you guys possibly help me with something related to a nokia internet tablet? Apr 02 18:39:22 um... I've been typing and submiting, but I don't see any words Apr 02 18:39:32 do ask Apr 02 18:39:46 nevermind, there they are. There is a delay. Apr 02 18:58:55 keesj, ping Apr 02 18:59:17 andre: slap them harder Apr 02 18:59:36 Btw, can someone please support me on maemo-community? Apr 02 18:59:40 Otherwise, i'm gone Apr 02 18:59:45 It's been a lame ride Apr 02 19:00:01 Adovacy is totally inappropriate Apr 02 19:06:11 VDVsx: yo Apr 02 19:06:30 keesj, your last GSoC comment is in pvt :) Apr 02 19:06:53 damn system :P Apr 02 19:07:36 VDVsx: I wonder If I can vote 2 times to make the score back to 0 :p Apr 02 19:08:33 keesj, maybe lol Apr 02 19:12:33 keesj, good point in the RTM proposal, I bet nobody thought about that issue yet Apr 02 19:13:48 I guess that with a n810+ you can use the keyboard but that's not the realy thing IMHO Apr 02 19:32:43 * lcuk almost sold out today Apr 02 19:32:53 pIng Apr 02 19:33:01 pong Apr 02 19:33:12 Anyone here have time to help me find an Ari quote? Apr 02 19:33:12 sorry for vanishing earlier timeless Apr 02 19:33:27 timelE61i: which one? Apr 02 19:33:46 Something about eventually selling devices for non geeks Apr 02 19:34:18 Or alternatively one about going from super geeks to geeks Apr 02 19:35:20 gah, my dvr sucks Apr 02 19:35:32 It's less responsive than my tablets Apr 02 19:35:44 And yes, that's a terrible insult :) Apr 02 19:35:54 timelE61i: There's a bit about "consumer mainstream" in http://jaaksi.blogspot.com/2008/09/osim-news-whats-up-with-maemo.html Apr 02 19:36:27 "Our vision is to bring the innovation, quality and end user participation into consumer mainstream." Apr 02 19:36:29 i'll use that Apr 02 19:36:34 His blog sucks Apr 02 19:36:41 The main page has that thing Apr 02 19:36:50 But i can't find a link to it Apr 02 19:37:16 http://jaaksi.blogspot.com/2008/09/osim-news-whats-up-with-maemo.html Apr 02 19:37:28 lol Apr 02 19:37:35 jaffa you hid your link Apr 02 19:37:45 How? Apr 02 19:37:53 I just pasted it :-/ Apr 02 19:38:23 * Jaffa hates computers Apr 02 19:38:25 timelE61i, some here too: http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/8351 Apr 02 19:38:26 timelE61i: the FAT discussion is probably irrelevant for maemo itself, as it's same problematique with any nokia device, any vendor, so it's difficult Apr 02 19:38:35 like, the firmware on it Apr 02 19:39:39 * Stskeeps sighs about silly patents Apr 02 19:39:43 jaffa, me too, they are too fumbly and finicky about filenames and stuff Apr 02 19:40:01 * lcuk mutters somethign about case sensitivity Apr 02 19:41:07 aNyway, would someone please tell him to shut up Apr 02 19:41:22 Otherwise. I will unsubscribe tomorrow Apr 02 19:41:37 I've had two or three run ins w/ lawyers at nokia Apr 02 19:41:49 Including one pending this week Apr 02 19:42:13 must be about as nice feeling as running into debian-legal Apr 02 19:42:29 been there Apr 02 19:42:32 Hate debian Apr 02 19:42:52 Iceweasel is partially my fault Apr 02 19:42:55 Remember that Apr 02 19:43:14 timelE61i: just ignore it - I delete more threads than I read, and *way* more than I bother replying to Apr 02 19:43:41 jaffa: i chose to ignore most of the gsocs :) Apr 02 19:43:49 I should get points for restraint Apr 02 19:44:04 Yeah, but the snappage was quite extreme ;-) Apr 02 19:44:21 Fwiw, i complained about marketing content earlier today Apr 02 19:44:33 Earlier this week i critiqued the userguide Apr 02 19:44:41 The user guide is always fun Apr 02 19:44:46 timelE61i: the current mozilla* maintainer wants to leave the maintaining those packages, now you could take them over ;) Apr 02 19:44:50 1. They ask for comments Apr 02 19:45:01 Sui: no thanks Apr 02 19:45:05 I'm not that crazy Apr 02 19:46:30 2. They reply "no, it's too late", "we already paid to translate", "that's borrowed from s60", "that's from lawyers", "that's from branding" Apr 02 19:46:48 Wtf did they ask for comments? Apr 02 19:46:59 Eugh Apr 02 19:47:16 Thankfully, marketing actually wants to sell and wants my feedback Apr 02 19:47:22 Unlike userguide Apr 02 19:47:32 Which really doesn't want anyone to read it Apr 02 19:48:02 timelE61i: you should butt out :) Apr 02 19:48:10 that's my considered advice! Apr 02 19:48:24 fortunately the users also tend to share the disinterest of reading manuals :P Apr 02 19:48:32 as i said, i'll unsubscribe tomorrow Apr 02 19:48:39 no Apr 02 19:48:43 from the thread Apr 02 19:48:44 Sui: probably because they suck Apr 02 19:48:51 as i said, i'll unsubscribe tomorrow Apr 02 19:49:05 -community can fsck off Apr 02 19:49:06 on your own legal advice? Apr 02 19:49:11 Yes. Apr 02 19:49:23 hey, he only posted a couple of hours ago Apr 02 19:49:26 I just replied Apr 02 19:49:44 I don't need to talk to lawyers about multiple subjects in the same day/week/month Apr 02 19:49:50 don't pretend this has anything to do with "the community" Apr 02 19:49:54 Preferably not even the same quarter Apr 02 19:49:56 it's all your decision Apr 02 19:50:04 Or year Apr 02 19:50:07 Or company Apr 02 19:50:11 * timelE61i grumbles Apr 02 19:50:19 * lbt grins Apr 02 19:50:24 I've been there Apr 02 19:50:35 act in haste, repent at leisure Apr 02 19:51:43 timelE61i: i have 0.11testing1 vmdk of mer if you want to play btw - upped vmdk size to 4gb Apr 02 19:51:59 good man Stskeeps divert him Apr 02 19:52:16 lbt: nah, nothing about diversion - i just forgot to bring it up the last evenings, knew there was something i forgot Apr 02 19:52:28 sts: i need to repair my mac Apr 02 19:52:41 It's at work, i'm @home w/ laptop Apr 02 19:52:50 well I'm off to use up all Jaffa's bandwidth - cu in a bit Apr 02 19:52:55 Poke me sunday if i'm not crying about it / doing taxes Apr 02 19:53:01 timelE61i: ah, did the HD die within the first week or something? Apr 02 19:53:13 lbt: don't worry - there's loads ;-) Apr 02 19:53:23 * lbt swoons Apr 02 19:53:29 Osx rewrote the parition table to mark my zpool as fat Apr 02 19:53:34 ah Apr 02 19:53:35 so lovely Apr 02 19:53:43 And i haven't had time to try to figure out how to fix it Apr 02 19:58:16 heh, the time i spent trying to resurrect my zpool when it was on a freebsd zfs implementation.. Apr 02 19:58:41 efi and smi labels and partitions and slices.. dear god Apr 02 20:02:05 any idea how to edit those labels? Apr 02 20:02:21 I'm wondering if fixing my zpool is easy enough Apr 02 20:03:12 i'd relabel it using a opensolaris machine or something.. Apr 02 20:09:08 I have it in target disk mode Apr 02 20:09:32 But fdisk and format and some other friends get stuck in kernel land Apr 02 20:10:03 mm, well i'm not sure how your zpool was set up Apr 02 20:22:12 i used disk utility to size a partiton as fat Apr 02 20:22:23 Then i used zpool create w/ the fat partiton Apr 02 20:24:23 ok, so what keeps the zpool from being imported? Apr 02 20:24:34 wEll Apr 02 20:24:48 Osx mounts the thing automatically as fat Apr 02 20:24:57 And zpool list shows nothing Apr 02 20:28:35 and not zpool import either? that's the more clear view Apr 02 20:30:15 zpool import could work even w/o list? Apr 02 20:31:44 I think zpool import didn't list anything Apr 02 20:31:57 But i don't think i tried giving it the dev anyway Apr 02 20:32:02 zpool list just shows which the system loads automatically Apr 02 20:32:12 zpool import shows which pools are importable, searches through all devices and partitions Apr 02 20:35:23 like, when i made a new nexenta install, i would naturally have to zpool import as my zpool cache didn't contain the pool :P Apr 02 20:35:35 ukki: ping Apr 02 20:39:14 * timelE61i nods Apr 02 20:49:39 jaffa: xkcd.com/406 ? :) Apr 02 20:52:52 timelE61i: heh Apr 02 20:52:53 * Jaffa beds Apr 02 21:29:24 * fireun swears at OOo Apr 02 21:32:20 hello all. Is there a way to write in python on maemo? Apr 02 21:32:30 I have an n810 that I need to use gstreamer with. Apr 02 21:32:30 use a text editor Apr 02 21:32:53 yeah, how do I run python on the n810... it looks like it's not installed? Apr 02 21:33:03 install it? Apr 02 21:33:25 yeah, how would I do that/where is it? Apr 02 21:33:43 there is probably a couple ways to do that, looked at maemo.org apps yet? Apr 02 21:35:30 maemo-python-device-env in extras seems promising? Apr 02 21:35:36 firefun, no, I haven't ;-) Apr 02 21:37:21 tds5016, pymaemo Apr 02 21:37:43 maemo-python-device-env installing that now. Apr 02 21:37:48 is pymaemo in the repos? Apr 02 21:39:26 tds5016, maemo-python-device-env should gave you pymaemo :P Apr 02 21:39:37 awesome sauce. Apr 02 21:39:41 I've that installed now! Apr 02 21:39:43 that's great! Apr 02 21:39:59 now, to run a python file, I just have to write the file.py, and send it over bluetooth, and it should run? Apr 02 21:40:35 sending over bluetooth seems kinda extraneous Apr 02 21:41:04 well, writing it on the device itself is kind of a pain. Apr 02 21:41:05 haha. Apr 02 21:41:23 I just need to get video from this darned thing. Apr 02 21:41:24 haha. Apr 02 21:41:41 is pygst installed with pymaemo? Apr 02 21:42:03 bluetooth keyboard? Apr 02 21:42:15 that'd be nice. I just meant getting the file to the device. Apr 02 21:42:23 I'm writing it on a mac. Apr 02 21:42:44 sure, whatever works for ya, usb/bluetooth/mental teleportation/wifi Apr 02 21:43:00 dunno about the pygst Apr 02 21:43:05 might have to get that Apr 02 21:43:14 how/where would I get that for maemo? Apr 02 21:43:16 tds5016, https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/packages/?root=pymaemo probably no Apr 02 21:43:18 unless its usually a standard python extension, dunno Apr 02 21:44:58 http://pygstdocs.berlios.de/pygst-tutorial/webcam-viewer.html I need to get that Apr 02 21:45:06 I need to get that to run* Apr 02 21:47:36 * fireun is not getting his speech written. Apr 02 21:47:54 tds5016: it has to be python/gstreamer? Apr 02 21:48:10 too bad there's no vlc for maemo Apr 02 21:48:20 yeah, I just need to get this thing to stream video. Apr 02 21:48:21 haha. Apr 02 21:48:22 maybe vnc viewer? Apr 02 21:48:30 and then archive the file being streamed. Apr 02 21:48:53 good luck Apr 02 21:49:15 was that sarcasm? haha, I'm avoiding C like the plague ;-) Apr 02 21:51:10 tds5016, is perfect doable Apr 02 21:51:31 tds5016, one more help :P : http://wiki.forum.nokia.com/index.php/Maemo_multimedia_applications_-_Part_II Apr 02 21:51:38 yeah, wwhat would be the best way to do something like that? Apr 02 21:51:44 thank you VDVsx Apr 02 21:59:14 now I'm just getting an error saying it could not get/set setting from/on resource. crl2src_calls.c(929): gst_v4l2src_set_caputer (): /pipline0/v4l2src0: Tried to capture at 800x480, but device returned size 640x480 Apr 02 21:59:43 the NIT would be nice to use as a home security viewer Apr 02 22:00:00 nit's camera is 640x480. Apr 02 22:00:04 * fireun needs a fisheye lens Apr 02 22:00:17 nit == ?? Apr 02 22:00:31 >viewer< not sourcer like tds wants Apr 02 22:00:56 640x480 is not quite 1Mpx? Apr 02 22:01:36 should I go to #python to get help with this issue? Apr 02 22:01:41 or am I in the right place? Apr 02 22:01:59 I don't know if this is a development channel or if it was a use channel ;-) Apr 02 22:02:01 might try #python as well Apr 02 22:02:06 either way thanks for all the help guys! Apr 02 22:02:10 most of these cretins are devs Apr 02 22:02:17 tds5016, read this: Tried to capture at 800x480, but device returned size 640x480 Apr 02 22:02:22 http://pygstdocs.berlios.de/pygst-tutorial/webcam-viewer.html Apr 02 22:02:26 that's the code I'm using. Apr 02 22:02:43 is anyone here familiar with py/gstreamer enought htat they could tell me how they could force it to use 640x480? Apr 02 22:03:43 no doubt a gst init command Apr 02 22:03:57 I'd look at the use docs Apr 02 22:04:59 * VDVsx wonder's why forum.nokia have so much maemo articles and superior to the wiki.maemo one's :o Apr 02 22:11:33 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24637 Apr 02 22:11:38 that looks like it might have to do with it? Apr 02 22:15:35 http://pastebin.com/m4c4931ad I can't figure out the whole gstreamer pipeline thing :-/. Apr 02 22:15:43 does anyone know of a simple tutorial? Apr 02 22:16:41 google does Apr 02 22:16:57 and it parses questions with more enthusiasm Apr 02 22:17:08 fireun: this sounds terrible, but I seriously do suck at the googles... I've been looking for a long time for it :-( Apr 02 22:17:31 * fireun revokes tds5016's internet drivers card Apr 02 22:17:57 haha, I know; right? Apr 02 22:19:13 but in all seriousness if you could help me out, it owuld be greatly appreciated. Apr 02 22:20:13 http://test.maemo.org/platform/docs/howtos/howto_camera_api_bora.html Apr 02 22:20:18 scroll down to python section Apr 02 22:20:29 that's in C :-/. Apr 02 22:21:52 "video/x-raw-rgb", "width", G_TYPE_INT, 640, "height", G_TYPE_INT, 480, NUL Apr 02 22:21:57 what I guess I'm trying to ask.... Apr 02 22:22:03 is how do I get that that over to a pipline Apr 02 22:22:05 ? Apr 02 22:22:19 "v4l2src ! autovideosink" right there is the current pipline/ Apr 02 22:24:19 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24637 it looks like I need something like that... Apr 02 22:24:33 BUT I don't want to capture a picture, I want to capture video. Apr 02 22:26:40 woot woot... now it just shows green, and the corner of the device turns red. Apr 02 22:26:40 haha. Apr 02 22:27:05 http://pygstdocs.berlios.de/pygst-tutorial/capabilities.html Apr 02 22:27:20 of http://pygstdocs.berlios.de/ Apr 02 22:28:46 okay, now it just returns green... Apr 02 22:29:04 tds5016: *shrug* Apr 02 22:29:15 haha, that's so weird. Apr 02 22:29:16 haha. Apr 02 22:29:24 the corner of the n810 goes from blue to red. Apr 02 22:29:25 haha. Apr 02 22:29:29 I think that means there's an error?? Apr 02 22:29:29 there's a #gstreamer as well Apr 02 22:29:32 might have better luck Apr 02 22:29:39 yeah, it's dead :-( Apr 02 22:29:48 it looks like what you found is actually exactly what I need. Apr 02 22:37:25 now... anyone know how Id' go from this to getting the video streaming over the net? Apr 02 23:25:07 is there someone responsible for the development of Python-purple here? Apr 02 23:27:22 not me, but the followup question would be interesting too Apr 02 23:28:31 i wanted to know what is its current statee Apr 02 23:35:08 well, there is a python-purple project in garage.maemo and seems to have some recent activity Apr 02 23:35:34 yeah, I saw that Apr 02 23:37:52 "Python-purple source code is part of Carman's project" so the INdT guys should be the responsible for that Apr 02 23:38:02 g'night all Apr 02 23:38:21 night lbt Apr 02 23:40:14 I'll try talking to Morpheuz when he's online Apr 02 23:45:00 good night all Apr 02 23:46:32 is there anyone from indt theree? Apr 02 23:47:02 Hirvinen: bolaum Apr 02 23:47:06 hi bolaum Apr 02 23:47:15 I'm indt Apr 02 23:47:44 but I don't know about python-purple source code, I'm working in another project Apr 02 23:48:02 and the guys who works in carman already gone Apr 02 23:48:12 hi renato, that's ok... but do you know any of the developers? Apr 02 23:48:20 yes Apr 02 23:48:33 maybe I can mail them Apr 02 23:49:12 which of them would be the right one? Apr 02 23:49:28 ok try: eduardo.rocha@openbossa.org Apr 02 23:49:48 he is the team leader of the project Apr 02 23:50:01 ok! thank you Apr 02 23:50:08 no problem Apr 03 00:51:25 yawn. Apr 03 00:56:44 * jaem yawns back Apr 03 00:57:13 fWiw Apr 03 00:57:24 I've unsubscribed from community Apr 03 00:57:29 Tell that idiot thanks Apr 03 00:58:46 Is there someone here that uses Pluthon for development? Apr 03 01:00:01 whats so special? Apr 03 01:01:10 * fireun does everything BUT write the paper that is due tomorrow Apr 03 01:01:45 fireun: me too... >_< Apr 03 01:05:44 gan/jaffa: "goodbye" Apr 03 01:05:48 Thanks for all the fish Apr 03 01:08:03 jaem: it'll probably be blasted out at the eleventh hour Apr 03 01:08:29 fireun: :P Apr 03 01:08:50 * fireun hates writing papers on topics that have no valid reason to be written about, other than to satisfy some idiot teachers vapid need for work to be done to grade Apr 03 01:08:58 what's the topic? Apr 03 01:09:10 "Personal Success" Apr 03 01:09:16 haha... ouch Apr 03 01:09:17 gah Apr 03 01:09:20 indeed Apr 03 01:09:28 what's your major? Apr 03 01:09:38 engineering Apr 03 01:09:48 * jaem is taking the same Apr 03 01:09:54 speech 111 core req Apr 03 01:09:57 which branch of engineering? Apr 03 01:10:09 not totally solid on that yet Apr 03 01:10:20 its more a process of elimination (: Apr 03 01:10:29 not electrical and probably not mechanical Apr 03 01:10:46 ah... I'm doing the Computer/Electronic route Apr 03 01:10:49 maybe environmental emphasis Apr 03 01:10:49 lots of fun Apr 03 01:11:02 eh, I've been a paid coder, I'm over it Apr 03 01:11:22 it's not the same as software engineering Apr 03 01:11:33 although you could get a job of that sort, potentially Apr 03 01:11:33 electronics is still a diffuse field Apr 03 01:11:48 it's essentially EE, with more CS thrown in than normal Apr 03 01:11:51 computer science is still computer science Apr 03 01:11:58 this is engineering science Apr 03 01:12:01 with a bit of CS Apr 03 01:12:08 it is distinct Apr 03 01:12:08 mmhmm Apr 03 01:12:18 semantics Apr 03 01:12:22 lol Apr 03 01:12:29 not really Apr 03 01:12:51 it just focusses on hardware *and* software, as opposed to just the former Apr 03 01:13:26 I was an embedded systems programmer, which is the grey concrete in between those two Apr 03 01:13:33 hehe Apr 03 01:13:42 at any rate, my uni is better about irrelevant classes Apr 03 01:14:03 they give each faculty certain requirements that have to be met in their curriculum, and leave the implementation up to them Apr 03 01:14:17 two of the five classes I'm taking this term I could drop and not miss anything Apr 03 01:14:21 so Engineering has "writing" courses, but not "english" courses, for example Apr 03 01:14:39 sure, tho an english class does fall into the "diversity" section Apr 03 01:14:40 and Arts majors have to take math courses, but not academic ones Apr 03 01:14:53 true Apr 03 01:14:55 and more eng than sci, yes Apr 03 01:14:57 ditto Apr 03 01:14:58 and we can take them as electives Apr 03 01:15:50 I have to do something useful now... Apr 03 01:15:57 well, sp111 fit my schedule this term Apr 03 01:16:01 unfortunatly Apr 03 01:24:07 Hi Apr 03 01:24:32 Any mentor here? Apr 03 01:47:33 would this work on a NIT ? - http://i.gizmodo.com/5194883/hands-on-jabra-halo-bluetooth-headset-really-really-slim Apr 03 01:57:50 I'm not sure of the current status of stereo bluetooth audio on Maemo at the moment Apr 03 01:58:14 but this should work if ad2p works in general Apr 03 01:58:15 I would think Apr 03 02:05:24 Hi, I know it's late, but would anyone care to look over a GSOC proposal? Apr 03 02:06:36 I'm going to post it to maemo-developers but I figured you guys could give it a quick look-over first :) Apr 03 02:32:58 nikosapi: I'm not a dev, but I could suggest that you at least post a title, to pique someone's interest, or at least narrow down who would respond. Apr 03 02:33:36 nikosapi: kinda like when someone asks if they can ask a question. Apr 03 02:33:45 it'd be better just to state the question. Apr 03 02:33:54 I posted it to the mailing list, but here's a link: http://nikosapi.org/stuff/gsoc-formatted.txt Apr 03 02:35:08 heh, you're right that was very vague :) Apr 03 02:35:27 It's about integrating gPodder and Panucci for Maemo if anyone's interested Apr 03 02:40:14 well... I still have to look up what those two things are, but then... I'm just a lurker here (: Apr 03 02:40:49 Do you listen to podcasts? Apr 03 02:41:14 not for the last couple years (: Apr 03 02:41:58 so, podcast aggregator and audiobook player app? Apr 03 02:42:07 ah, gPodder is a podcast downloading application and Panucci is a media player made specifically for podcasts and audiobooks Apr 03 02:42:20 exactly Apr 03 02:42:45 are audiobook apps so different than media players? Apr 03 02:42:59 or is it a disabled access issue? Apr 03 02:43:23 kinda, the big difference is that an audiobook player will remember where you are in a file Apr 03 02:43:50 ah, stateful Apr 03 02:43:51 and Panucci also allows you to make bookmarks throughout the file Apr 03 02:44:24 so integration to what level? Apr 03 02:44:44 as in same app, or just dbus tricks? Apr 03 02:45:09 yes, integration over dbus Apr 03 02:45:49 the problem is gPodder, it needs a lot of work before we can even expose an api over dbus Apr 03 02:45:53 "And it integrates well with gPodder." Apr 03 02:46:09 hahaha Apr 03 02:46:12 so what would you be adding? Apr 03 02:47:08 I'd be separating gPodder's GUI from the backend libs and then adding the API on top of the backend Apr 03 02:47:24 then the fun beings :D Apr 03 02:48:44 From that point you'll have access to all kinds of data from gPodder through Panucci which will make the Panucci user experience much better Apr 03 02:51:34 thanks for explaining further, I'm reluctant to claim that it is a clear win, but I've certainly seen worse (: Apr 03 02:52:02 that's what I feared, it's not a very "sexy" project Apr 03 02:53:12 It was still good proposal-writing practice :) Apr 03 02:53:16 cant say I've heard the mob clamoring for it, but you never know Apr 03 02:53:39 or I should say, >I< never know Apr 03 02:54:20 the biggest challenge is having the passion to see a project thru, so as long as you are excited about the effort, its worth pursuing Apr 03 02:54:50 there are more than a few things that I've thought would be fantastic projects, but there's no way I'd want to take on the effort... (: Apr 03 02:55:34 everything in that proposal is going to get done one way or another, the GSOC would be a nice way to make that all happen more quickly Apr 03 02:57:51 bookmarks in ebooks/podcasts would be nice, especially if you could refer the "clips" so bookmarked to other people Apr 03 02:58:06 marking up audio, in a way Apr 03 02:58:42 how do i chat w/ the telepathy irc thing? Apr 03 02:59:06 Luke-Jr2: with a spoon? Apr 03 02:59:26 -.- **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Apr 03 02:59:56 2009