**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Apr 08 02:59:57 2009
Apr 08 03:31:31 <genewitch> i want to get a GPS receiver for my N800, any idea what i should be looking for?
Apr 08 03:31:52 <GeneralAntilles> Something MTK-based
Apr 08 03:31:58 <GeneralAntilles> i-blue 737 is a good choice
Apr 08 03:32:05 <genewitch> does that have a screen?
Apr 08 03:32:13 <GeneralAntilles> Um?
Apr 08 03:32:25 <GeneralAntilles> You want a GPS receiver for your N800, why do you need a screen?
Apr 08 03:32:31 <genewitch> Just checkin :-)
Apr 08 03:32:44 <genewitch> $60 on ebay
Apr 08 03:32:51 <genewitch> that works for me.
Apr 08 03:33:14 <genewitch> one other thing, anyone know the amp/volt rating of the charger?
Apr 08 03:33:17 <GeneralAntilles> Amazon should have it cheaper
Apr 08 03:33:23 <GeneralAntilles> 860mA
Apr 08 03:33:33 <genewitch> 3 volt?
Apr 08 03:33:34 <GeneralAntilles> er 890
Apr 08 03:33:40 <GeneralAntilles> 5.7v, I believe
Apr 08 03:33:46 <genewitch> Hmm
Apr 08 03:33:55 <genewitch> my car adapter doesn't have that feature
Apr 08 03:34:09 <GeneralAntilles> You can get Nokia adapters for about $2 from Amazon.
Apr 08 03:34:21 <genewitch> i just ran a new 8 gauge cable in my truck to wire in a 3 outlet 12v adapter thing
Apr 08 03:34:41 <genewitch> I'm making my first n800 into a car stereo
Apr 08 03:34:43 <genewitch> with gps
Apr 08 03:34:51 <genewitch> and my second one as my "PDA"
Apr 08 03:37:58 <genewitch> the i-blue 820 is cheaper
Apr 08 03:39:11 <GeneralAntilles> Not familiar with it.
Apr 08 03:39:37 <genewitch> i couldn't find specs
Apr 08 03:39:41 <jaem> hello folks
Apr 08 03:39:47 <genewitch> $10 at the risk of it not working is not good savings
Apr 08 03:39:47 <GeneralAntilles> Smaller battery
Apr 08 03:39:59 <genewitch> I'll get the one you mentioned, thanks for your help you're awesome
Apr 08 03:44:58 <fireun> genewitch: you have a fuse inline as well, right?
Apr 08 03:45:16 <fireun> hopefully a small one
Apr 08 03:45:26 <genewitch> fireun: there's two fuses
Apr 08 03:45:43 <fireun> oh good, you made it sound "simple"
Apr 08 03:45:47 <genewitch> 15A on the 8 gauge and then a much smaller one on the outlet box themselves
Apr 08 03:46:07 <genewitch> Oh, i've run plenty of electric stuff in cars, i even resealed the firewall!
Apr 08 03:46:09 <genewitch> :-p
Apr 08 03:46:22 <genewitch> I ran 8 gauge cause i want a small amp in there too
Apr 08 03:46:27 <fireun> you know how it is
Apr 08 03:47:30 <genewitch> yup
Apr 08 03:47:58 <fireun> some people are more enthusiastic than actually 'wise'
Apr 08 03:50:55 <genewitch> now i just gotta get a new cellphone that supports bluetooth and a data package and i can stream music while i drive.
Apr 08 03:50:58 <genewitch> Ahhh, luxury.
Apr 08 03:51:53 <fireun> I'm having a hell of a time finding COTS low power data acquisition nodes - I thought TI had a decent widget, the MSP430-2500, but it only has one ADC and i2c, and problems with linux support. Close, but not quite.
Apr 08 03:51:55 <GeneralAntilles> That's hit and miss
Apr 08 03:52:08 <GeneralAntilles> Highly dependent on the quality of your local 3g coverage
Apr 08 03:52:21 <GeneralAntilles> and most areas with good coverage tend to be spotty anyway.
Apr 08 03:58:52 <rm_you> anyone know if pandora works on G1?
Apr 08 03:58:55 <rm_you> or last.fm?
Apr 08 03:58:59 <rm_you> or SOMETHING of the sort?
Apr 08 03:59:44 <fireun> what does it have for music?
Apr 08 03:59:50 <rm_you> dunno :/
Apr 08 03:59:57 <fireun> well, >look< (:
Apr 08 03:59:57 <rm_you> was just thinking about getting one
Apr 08 04:00:05 <rm_you> so i can tether it to my n800
Apr 08 04:00:07 * fireun points to the #maemo
Apr 08 04:00:31 <rm_you> i know where i am :)
Apr 08 04:00:42 * rm_you pokes GeneralAntilles 
Apr 08 04:01:03 <GeneralAntilles> rm_you, wait for the RX-51?
Apr 08 04:01:09 <rm_you> yeah i know, right?
Apr 08 04:01:15 * GeneralAntilles stabs rm_you with a steak knife.
Apr 08 04:01:16 <rm_you> was poking through ITT threads today
Apr 08 04:01:32 <rm_you> reading your post about Council Bacon rations made me hungry :P
Apr 08 04:01:54 <GeneralAntilles> You can't have any of mine.
Apr 08 04:01:59 <rm_you> anyway yeah, was just thinking about how i haven't heard ANYTHING new about the RX-51 since the summit :/
Apr 08 04:02:14 <rm_you> been too long away from the scene :/
Apr 08 04:02:23 <rm_you> summer should change that again
Apr 08 04:02:41 <rm_you> especially since I think johnx has designs on my time (something about Mer)
Apr 08 04:02:48 <GeneralAntilles> lol?
Apr 08 04:02:50 <GeneralAntilles> Since the Summit?
Apr 08 04:02:53 <GeneralAntilles> Clubbat
Apr 08 04:02:58 <rm_you> lol
Apr 08 04:02:58 <GeneralAntilles> There's an RX-71, too.
Apr 08 04:03:02 <rm_you> lol?
Apr 08 04:03:15 <GeneralAntilles> http://maemo.org/midcom-permalink-9edfb716df5e11ddac642b2e5199d2f3d2f3
Apr 08 04:03:18 <rm_you> well, feel free to fill me in / link me to anything (no rickrolls tho plz :P)
Apr 08 04:03:26 <GeneralAntilles> Covers the relevant kernel info
Apr 08 04:03:33 <GeneralAntilles> RX-71 we only have a single mention of
Apr 08 04:03:34 <rm_you> hrm
Apr 08 04:03:36 <GeneralAntilles> so it could be anything
Apr 08 04:03:40 <rm_you> i thought i read this
Apr 08 04:04:11 <GeneralAntilles> Well, then, [12:01am] <rm_you> anyway yeah, was just thinking about how i haven't heard ANYTHING new about the RX-51 since the summit :/ is a lie. :P
Apr 08 04:04:48 <rm_you> well, this isn't really new, it's recap :/
Apr 08 04:04:54 <rm_you> most of this was said at the summit
Apr 08 04:04:55 <GeneralAntilles> Not from the Summit
Apr 08 04:04:59 <GeneralAntilles> No it wasn't
Apr 08 04:05:02 <rm_you> i was hoping for more like... a release date and pics :P
Apr 08 04:05:17 <GeneralAntilles> Summit was: Fremantle will support OMAP3, HSPA, and HD cameras
Apr 08 04:05:21 <GeneralAntilles> Well
Apr 08 04:05:44 <zakkm> whats HSPA?
Apr 08 04:05:50 <GeneralAntilles> Nothing about a second camera, FM RX/TX, accelerometers or anything else.
Apr 08 04:05:52 <GeneralAntilles> 3G data
Apr 08 04:06:18 <zakkm> so like wimax, but relying on cellphone "data plans" ?
Apr 08 04:06:24 <GeneralAntilles> Um?
Apr 08 04:06:31 <GeneralAntilles> It's cellular data.
Apr 08 04:06:38 <zakkm> so no phone at all?
Apr 08 04:06:43 <GeneralAntilles> Unknown
Apr 08 04:06:48 <zakkm> and cellphone data is expensive.
Apr 08 04:07:05 <GeneralAntilles> rm_you, review http://maemo.org/community/council for the bullet point highlights
Apr 08 04:07:05 <rm_you> probably will be able to do what G1/iPhone do
Apr 08 04:07:15 <GeneralAntilles> I pay $20/mo for  mine.
Apr 08 04:07:16 <rm_you> get a contract with a carrier via nokia negotiations
Apr 08 04:07:25 <zakkm> GeneralAntilles: how much you get? GB?
Apr 08 04:07:27 <rm_you> yeah i'm there now GA :P
Apr 08 04:07:35 <zakkm> here you get only like 3gb for $20 a month
Apr 08 04:07:41 <GeneralAntilles> "unlimited"
Apr 08 04:07:50 <zakkm> dang where do you live? :P
Apr 08 04:07:53 <GeneralAntilles> In practice, it's probably about 25GB
Apr 08 04:07:54 <GeneralAntilles> US
Apr 08 04:08:09 * GeneralAntilles stabs Comcast repeatedly.
Apr 08 04:08:21 <zakkm> i live in Toronto, Canada and cant get anywhere near that
Apr 08 04:08:24 <rm_you> ah i missed the april sprint :( sadness
Apr 08 04:08:24 <rm_you> ah well
Apr 08 04:08:27 <zakkm> 25gb would be like $100 if your lucky
Apr 08 04:08:33 <GeneralAntilles> rm_you, wait for the RX-51/71
Apr 08 04:08:39 <GeneralAntilles> Don't be a Google whore
Apr 08 04:08:39 <rm_you> well.
Apr 08 04:08:46 <rm_you> GA: I need a PHONE >_>
Apr 08 04:08:51 <zakkm> get a iphone :)
Apr 08 04:08:54 <GeneralAntilles> AT&T just got the E71
Apr 08 04:08:59 <rm_you> and the N97 is like a billion dollars >_>
Apr 08 04:09:12 <rm_you> my phone is basically falling apart
Apr 08 04:09:14 <Khertan> mikkov_: Hey thks mikkov for the comment on pygtkeditor
Apr 08 04:09:19 <Khertan> Hello
Apr 08 04:09:31 <rm_you> sometimes it just doesnt tell me about calls, it just vibrates and says "missed call"
Apr 08 04:09:34 <GeneralAntilles> What carrier are you on?
Apr 08 04:09:35 <Khertan> mikkov_: i receive the mail and can see the comment on maemo.org
Apr 08 04:09:43 <rm_you> and it turns itself off like 4 times a day from me bumping it too hard
Apr 08 04:09:46 <rm_you> T-Mobile
Apr 08 04:09:49 <rm_you> thus G1
Apr 08 04:09:57 <zakkm> you have a G1?
Apr 08 04:09:59 <zakkm> wow
Apr 08 04:10:04 <jaem> rm_you: my phone is worse... it doesn't even vibrate
Apr 08 04:10:07 <jaem> at all
Apr 08 04:10:09 <rm_you> oh and about 50% of the calls I make, the other person can't hear me
Apr 08 04:10:11 <zakkm> i like the browser but it was so weirddd android
Apr 08 04:10:18 <jaem> except when I put it on vibrate, as an indicator - just not for calls
Apr 08 04:10:23 <rm_you> zakkm: no, don't have one yet. thinking about it
Apr 08 04:10:27 <zakkm> if someone can put that browser in maemo, ill be so jealousss :p
Apr 08 04:10:36 <zakkm> the android browser is so cool
Apr 08 04:10:57 <GeneralAntilles> G1 seems like a lot of phone (and expensive) to pair with a tablet
Apr 08 04:11:00 <rm_you> if it can do Pandora i'd bite, cause then i'd a2dp the audio to my car and listen to pandora everywhere :P
Apr 08 04:11:11 <rm_you> G1 is like $179
Apr 08 04:11:24 <rm_you> which is cheap compared to anything else with those capabilities :/
Apr 08 04:11:28 <GeneralAntilles> I'm biased against Google, though.
Apr 08 04:11:40 <rm_you> I'm biased against bias? >_>
Apr 08 04:11:58 <rm_you> i guess that makes me a hypocrite, since i'm biased against something, even if it happens to be bias
Apr 08 04:12:03 <rm_you> <_<
Apr 08 04:12:26 <jaem> I'm not overly paranoid about Google, but I prefer to only use their services when there is no better alternative
Apr 08 04:12:49 <rm_you> oh, yeah, i'd probably sign over my soul if they asked nicely enough O_o
Apr 08 04:12:52 <jaem> at least Android is (mostly?) FOSS, so you can /check/ how much of your info you're giving them
Apr 08 04:13:06 <rm_you> i should try to keep that from happening
Apr 08 04:13:22 <GeneralAntilles> rm_you, honestly, there seems to be an increasingly large possibility that one of the next tablets could be a phone.
Apr 08 04:13:29 <rm_you> well...
Apr 08 04:13:41 <rm_you> then it'd be a slightly larger N97 with a different OS
Apr 08 04:13:42 <rm_you> lol
Apr 08 04:13:47 <rm_you> i'd buy that :)
Apr 08 04:13:53 <jaem> GeneralAntilles: that would indeed please me, given that I don't have money for a new tablet AND a new phone
Apr 08 04:13:57 <GeneralAntilles> With a dev discount
Apr 08 04:13:58 <jaem> what have you heard?
Apr 08 04:14:01 <rm_you> lol
Apr 08 04:14:03 <rm_you> maybe
Apr 08 04:14:07 <GeneralAntilles> jaem, nothing that nobody else hasn't.
Apr 08 04:14:13 <rm_you> depends on if i get off my ass and do something, and continue to
Apr 08 04:14:32 <jaem> there hasn't been any more information in the last two or three weeks, has there?
Apr 08 04:14:34 <rm_you> this semester sucks. of course, i say that every semester. probably because school in general sucks.
Apr 08 04:14:38 <jaem> I've been a bit out of the loop
Apr 08 04:14:48 <rm_you> summer is usually good
Apr 08 04:14:53 <zakkm> College/Highschool?
Apr 08 04:14:55 <GeneralAntilles> Release whatever queued adv-backlight patches you have as individual updates.
Apr 08 04:14:55 <rm_you> i get 99% of my work done during the summer
Apr 08 04:15:04 <GeneralAntilles> jaem, no.
Apr 08 04:15:15 <zakkm> the new gmail is awesome :D
Apr 08 04:15:20 <zakkm> from G1 / iphone
Apr 08 04:15:23 <GeneralAntilles> Some flags in the code from the alpha SDK, various comments in a few places.
Apr 08 04:15:23 <zakkm> they redid the site for it
Apr 08 04:15:31 <rm_you> zakkm: I would be about to graduate from college if i hadn't slacked off a bit the last few years... one extra semester, so i'll be done in december
Apr 08 04:15:44 <zakkm> haha
Apr 08 04:15:52 <zakkm> isnt it expensive?
Apr 08 04:15:59 <rm_you> spent too much time on #maemo :P
Apr 08 04:16:05 <rm_you> err, yes technically >_>
Apr 08 04:16:09 <rm_you> dont make me think about it
Apr 08 04:16:18 <rm_you> i'm happy in denial/ignorance :)
Apr 08 04:16:35 <rm_you> and theres nothing i can do about it now
Apr 08 04:16:48 <rm_you> $15k a semester, approx >_>
Apr 08 04:16:57 <GeneralAntilles> Sheesh
Apr 08 04:17:03 <GeneralAntilles> No scholarships?
Apr 08 04:17:05 <zakkm> :O
Apr 08 04:17:06 <rm_you> fortunately no loans till this semester
Apr 08 04:17:14 <rm_you> well, mine run out after this year
Apr 08 04:17:17 <rm_you> so next semester is all me
Apr 08 04:17:54 <GeneralAntilles> Funtime
Apr 08 04:17:57 <zakkm> ?
Apr 08 04:17:59 <GeneralAntilles> Shoulda signed up for GSoC. :P
Apr 08 04:18:01 <zakkm> you donthave to pay back post?
Apr 08 04:18:03 <zakkm> most*
Apr 08 04:18:43 <rm_you> just next semester
Apr 08 04:19:01 <rm_you> so i should be graduating with only 15k or so in debt >_>
Apr 08 04:19:23 <zakkm> wow why?
Apr 08 04:19:26 <zakkm> how?
Apr 08 04:20:07 <GeneralAntilles> School costs mony
Apr 08 04:20:13 <zakkm> no i mean
Apr 08 04:20:20 <zakkm> at 10k a year, and graduating with only 15k in debt?
Apr 08 04:20:29 <zakkm> what am i missing
Apr 08 04:25:06 <Khertan> Stskeeps: are you here ?
Apr 08 04:30:14 <fireun> zakkm: grants, scholarships, other outside sponsorships?
Apr 08 04:30:34 <fireun> pimp'n
Apr 08 04:30:37 <GeneralAntilles> work
Apr 08 04:31:25 <zakkm> thats amazing
Apr 08 04:31:29 <zakkm> oh
Apr 08 05:11:26 <rm_you> zakkm: anyway, i said 15k per semester.... it's actually more like 30-35k per year
Apr 08 05:11:37 <rm_you> thanks to my grandmother, i had a college fund <_<
Apr 08 05:11:37 <zakkm> oh snap
Apr 08 05:12:19 <rm_you> i did have a total of 20k in scholarship over the whole 4 years...
Apr 08 05:12:29 <rm_you> which helped some or i would have depleted that fund even earlier
Apr 08 05:12:52 <rm_you> ah well gotta run to bed
Apr 08 05:12:53 <rm_you> l8r
Apr 08 05:13:49 <zakkm> night
Apr 08 06:46:51 <Jaffa> Wifi on trains, whatever next.
Apr 08 06:46:55 <Jaffa> Morning, all
Apr 08 06:47:20 <Jaffa> (and this one is free for the moment which is practically unheard of  in the UK)
Apr 08 06:47:21 <LinuxCode> on buses
Apr 08 06:47:24 <qwerty12> ^
Apr 08 06:47:30 <LinuxCode> Jaffa, virgin ?
Apr 08 06:47:36 <LinuxCode> or first ?
Apr 08 06:47:43 <qwerty12> Oxford tube has it iirc
Apr 08 06:48:33 <Jaffa> LinuxCode: Virgin Pendolinos. Suppose to be free in first class, but I got on for free in coach E by just hitting the "logon" button
Apr 08 06:48:43 <LinuxCode> haha
Apr 08 06:48:44 <Jaffa> But it's not fully launched yet
Apr 08 06:49:14 <Jaffa> So mebbe they'll fix that (and I'll go and stand in a vestibule ;-))
Apr 08 06:49:21 <LinuxCode> rofl
Apr 08 06:49:36 <LinuxCode> whats wrong with 3g/gprs ?
Apr 08 06:49:46 <LinuxCode> ok its not free as in FOSS
Apr 08 06:50:29 <Jaffa> West Coast mainline really bad for reception, and I don't have any inclusive data on Vodafone
Apr 08 06:51:04 <Jaffa> 1.50ukp per day for up to 15MB - ooooh :-/
Apr 08 06:51:56 <qwerty12> "Normally it takes about 15-30 minutes for the package to be processed." <- Oh, I wish that was the case.
Apr 08 06:53:13 * Jaffa has his eye on three's PAYG 5ukp a month data plan for a couple of gig when the RX-?1 is released
Apr 08 07:02:40 <Jaffa> X-Fade: ping
Apr 08 07:06:01 <b0unc3_> good morning
Apr 08 07:31:20 * Myrtti gives X-Fade a mug of coffee
Apr 08 07:32:37 <anders_gud> Hi Stskeeps! I get pressure information from tslib, xinput on Mer, but gtk does not pick it up?
Apr 08 07:33:07 <StsN800> hmm, that's interesting
Apr 08 07:33:56 <StsN800> can you file a bug on it on bugs.maemo.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=Mer ?
Apr 08 07:33:59 <anders_gud> you have to compile gtk with xinput yes?
Apr 08 07:34:26 <anders_gud> if something is missing there...?
Apr 08 07:34:54 <StsN800> hmm, that could be a reason
Apr 08 07:39:54 <StsN800> libxi-dev is a dependancy at least
Apr 08 07:48:50 <anders_gud> I'll file a bug
Apr 08 07:50:12 <StsN800> ta
Apr 08 07:51:38 <anders_gud> https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4256
Apr 08 07:52:35 <StsN800> :)
Apr 08 07:53:48 <anders_gud> Sparse info - I'll fill in more later, have to go... Bye!
Apr 08 07:55:11 <X-Fade> Myrtti: Thanks, I needed that.
Apr 08 07:56:01 <Myrtti> X-Fade: I'm going on my second pot
Apr 08 07:56:09 <Myrtti> I'm not particularly happy this morning
Apr 08 07:56:43 <X-Fade> Myrtti: We'll me neither. After almost seeing my car and house go up in flames, not so great.
Apr 08 07:56:59 <Myrtti> :-(
Apr 08 07:57:35 <Myrtti> I had to wake up at Stupid O'Clock because He had a conference call with someone who didn't think about the time difference between UK and Finland
Apr 08 07:58:04 <Myrtti> but no, not going to complain more about that
Apr 08 07:58:10 <Myrtti> I just need more coffee and painkillers
Apr 08 07:58:47 <X-Fade> http://breet.com/07042009902.jpg
Apr 08 07:59:48 <Myrtti> owch
Apr 08 08:00:06 <X-Fade> My house is on the left. The little twingo's bumper and tail lights melted..
Apr 08 08:00:29 <LinuxCode> X-Fade, got nicked and they then torched it ?
Apr 08 08:01:09 <X-Fade> LinuxCode: Yes, looks like it. The car was there for about 3 days. (Well parked correctly)
Apr 08 08:01:34 <X-Fade> And after the fire we notices the plates were gone. (Foreign plates)
Apr 08 08:01:58 <LinuxCode> some stupid kids probably just torched it
Apr 08 08:02:08 <LinuxCode> looked foreign so they thought, lets burn it
Apr 08 08:02:23 <X-Fade> And moved it forward 3m first? :)
Apr 08 08:03:29 <Myrtti> joy and happiness without painkillers is pretending
Apr 08 08:09:13 <LinuxCode> X-Fade, hehe yeh thats very interesting
Apr 08 08:09:24 <LinuxCode> but maybe it caught fire and then the breaks went
Apr 08 08:09:31 <LinuxCode> before it really got bad
Apr 08 08:10:20 <X-Fade> Nah, the parking spaces aren't level. They go up and then go down. So that is not really possible.
Apr 08 08:11:57 <LinuxCode> k
Apr 08 08:12:02 <LinuxCode> peculiar for sure
Apr 08 08:12:43 <X-Fade> Yeah, I guess I was lucky. If the car had been in it's original space, it would have been 50cm from my outer wall.
Apr 08 08:19:41 <Jaffa> X-Fade: there were sxome karma changes yesterday, weren't there? There seems to have been a big drop and change in the top 10
Apr 08 08:20:19 * Jaffa reads some scroll back and erks
Apr 08 08:21:33 <X-Fade> Jaffa: bergie fixed a bug in karma for these ghost users. Maybe some people benefited from ghost mails too?
Apr 08 08:22:03 <Jaffa> X-Fade: or the mail detection code is broke
Apr 08 08:23:32 <X-Fade> Jaffa: He applied patches for bugzilla and media wiki numbers.
Apr 08 08:23:52 <X-Fade> https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/midgard-data/snippets/karma_plugins/bugzilla_reported.php?root=maemo2midgard&r1=913&r2=1235
Apr 08 08:23:57 <X-Fade> Looks pretty sane to me.
Apr 08 08:25:30 <X-Fade> Ah, I know what happened ;)
Apr 08 08:26:14 <X-Fade> It is the correction I applied a while ago to give discussion(mails) a karma modifier of 1.
Apr 08 08:26:37 <X-Fade> To get it in line with the what was written in the wiki.
Apr 08 08:26:50 <X-Fade> But it just got applied now.
Apr 08 08:28:36 <Jaffa> Ah
Apr 08 08:29:14 <X-Fade> Was not applied to not affect the election IIRC.
Apr 08 08:39:54 <aquatix> X-Fade: that Opel is on fire!
Apr 08 08:39:55 <aquatix> </lag>
Apr 08 08:40:18 <X-Fade> aquatix: Mercedes Vito, but close ;)
Apr 08 08:40:29 <aquatix> ah yes
Apr 08 08:40:41 <aquatix> thought those wheels looked ancient
Apr 08 08:40:52 <aquatix> old opels have similar looking ones
Apr 08 08:41:05 <aquatix> weird stuff though
Apr 08 08:41:22 <X-Fade> Tried to push that audi away, but it was in park...
Apr 08 08:43:32 <aquatix> meh, can't read that Dutch looking street sign :)
Apr 08 08:53:19 <wazd_n800> hello world
Apr 08 08:54:33 <Stskeeps> hello mobile wazd
Apr 08 08:54:58 <lcuk> X-Fade, you dont have to set fire to everyone who wont buy nokia
Apr 08 08:55:18 <X-Fade> lcuk: Heh ;)
Apr 08 08:55:48 <lcuk> or is that where the maemo.org server resides and its the aftermath of qwertys latest experiment
Apr 08 08:56:08 <RST38h> moo all
Apr 08 08:56:10 <RST38h> heya wazd
Apr 08 08:56:38 <lcuk> mornin rs
Apr 08 08:56:41 <lcuk> t
Apr 08 08:56:47 <lcuk> 38h umm
Apr 08 08:57:53 <X-Fade> lcuk: Nah, qwerty12_N800 's package compiled without breaking the builder this time ;)
Apr 08 08:58:12 <X-Fade> Although it failed in the i386 part, but still ;)
Apr 08 09:04:10 <wazd_n800> such a perfect day in moscow
Apr 08 09:04:10 <wazd_n800> sun is shining, birds are singing and i'm standing in a fucking jam
Apr 08 09:05:00 <mgedmin> all you need is some pancakes to go with that jam
Apr 08 09:06:25 <RST38h> mgedmin: Update on the yesterday problem:
Apr 08 09:06:48 <RST38h> mgedmin: I now do not think FBReader 0.10.7 was to blame, looks like it crashed at some point and corrupted config
Apr 08 09:06:48 * mgedmin doesn't remember any yesterday's problems
Apr 08 09:06:52 <mgedmin> ahh
Apr 08 09:06:57 <mgedmin> uh oh, scary
Apr 08 09:07:09 <RST38h> Once I manually tweaked config values, it started behaving normal
Apr 08 09:08:00 <lcuk> RST38h, accepting corrupted input as valid is a blamable offense isnt it
Apr 08 09:09:12 * lcuk has been stung by that one also in the past
Apr 08 09:09:27 <RST38h> lcuk: it is, but I feel like excusing FBReader for it
Apr 08 09:09:46 <RST38h> it was intenral config data (not easily corruptable) and the app itself is very useful
Apr 08 09:10:08 <lcuk> :) indeed, if it is a bug with it saving its prefs or loading incorrectly the guys are quite responsive
Apr 08 09:10:40 <lcuk> i filed a bug once when they updated and had wiped out my ability to read past a certain page on any book
Apr 08 09:10:43 <lcuk> it was torture
Apr 08 09:11:01 <Stskeeps> and hence lcuk never finished harry potter
Apr 08 09:11:13 <wazd_n800> ...and tablet is hanging)
Apr 08 09:14:07 <RST38h> is it possible to FINISH harry potter?
Apr 08 09:14:16 <RST38h> could somebody do it already? please?
Apr 08 09:15:07 <Stskeeps> RST38h: i think the latest case of another HP child actor growing his own marijuana plantage in his UK home probably helps
Apr 08 09:16:14 <RST38h> Sts: this is way to weak to affect the timeline, unfortunately
Apr 08 09:16:18 <lcuk> Stskeeps, it was bad (but i havent read any of the harry pothead books)
Apr 08 09:16:40 <glass> i've read 'em
Apr 08 09:16:52 <glass> read the first 3 or so while in military
Apr 08 09:16:54 <lcuk> my son has
Apr 08 09:17:05 <glass> the english in them is super easy
Apr 08 09:17:16 <glass> but the books are printed on purpose to be thicker than they should
Apr 08 09:17:36 <glass> that sucks bigtime
Apr 08 09:18:10 <mgedmin> e-books solve that particular problem ;-)
Apr 08 09:18:14 <RST38h> The English is pretty bland there
Apr 08 09:18:15 <glass> yeh
Apr 08 09:18:24 <mgedmin> although I have seen e-books where all the text was *in bold*
Apr 08 09:18:31 <RST38h> Feels like it has been written by an accountant
Apr 08 09:18:34 <glass> RST38h: yeah so they make for easy reading for non english folk
Apr 08 09:18:42 <glass> and fast to read too..
Apr 08 09:18:58 * RST38h , as non-English folk, prefers good English
Apr 08 09:19:04 <lbt> meh - got a lot of people reading again - can't be all bad
Apr 08 09:19:33 <mgedmin> it's better than, say, the da vinci code
Apr 08 09:19:39 <RST38h> glass: leaves the aftertaste of toilet paper though =(
Apr 08 09:19:40 <glass> hehe
Apr 08 09:19:49 <RST38h> mgedmin: well, THAT goes without argument
Apr 08 09:19:53 <glass> RST38h: yep but still, i've read crappier books
Apr 08 09:20:15 <lbt> the bible?
Apr 08 09:20:20 * RST38h especially liked how the Da Vinci Code movie was financed by the Church of Scientology =)
Apr 08 09:20:21 * lbt ducks
Apr 08 09:20:33 <RST38h> lbt: Which version? What translation?
Apr 08 09:20:41 <RST38h> glass: Oh definitely
Apr 08 09:20:44 <lbt> there's more than one?
Apr 08 09:20:54 <mgedmin> heh, when I was in SF, I walked past a building with that label
Apr 08 09:21:03 <mgedmin> I was kinda afraid somebody might jump out and kidnap me
Apr 08 09:21:03 <RST38h> glass: Like that old guy writing endless stories about medieval armored mice
Apr 08 09:21:11 <glass> RST38h: haha
Apr 08 09:21:36 <glass> RST38h: http://www.amazon.com/Year-Zero-Jeff-Long/dp/0743406125  this book is my number 1 on suckage
Apr 08 09:21:44 <glass> got it as a gift
Apr 08 09:21:59 <glass> kept getting stupidier and stupidier
Apr 08 09:22:18 <RST38h> glass: Well, my top of the suck list is occupied by Russian "SF" writers
Apr 08 09:22:25 <glass> hehe
Apr 08 09:22:28 <glass> i like some of that stuff
Apr 08 09:22:51 <RST38h> glass: Can't beat those, although I can theoretically conject on how you would do it in English
Apr 08 09:22:57 <glass> they had a good reason to write sf though, censorship
Apr 08 09:23:04 <RST38h> glass: I do not mean Soviet ones
Apr 08 09:23:11 <glass> oh
Apr 08 09:23:28 <glass> you mean like, that one thing that had those movies made out of iti?
Apr 08 09:23:35 <RST38h> glass: I mean the current crap, like Lukyanenko, attempts to plagiarize badly translated mediocre English SF stories
Apr 08 09:23:36 <glass> forgot it's name
Apr 08 09:23:38 <glass> nightwatch or something
Apr 08 09:23:47 <RST38h> glass: That is Lukyanenko
Apr 08 09:23:52 <glass> ah :)
Apr 08 09:24:10 <RST38h> glass: Former child psychologist
Apr 08 09:24:21 <glass> aha, i'm not too familiar with it
Apr 08 09:24:39 <RST38h> glass: no reason to get familiar
Apr 08 09:24:40 <glass> most sf i've read was written in 50-90
Apr 08 09:24:44 <glass> yeah i figured
Apr 08 09:25:20 <RST38h> glass: It was good back then, but currently there is at most 2-3 decent Russian-language SF writers
Apr 08 09:25:44 <RST38h> Apparently, censorship helped weeding out obvious crap
Apr 08 09:38:49 <svu> there were Strugatsky brothers...
Apr 08 09:43:06 <RST38h> svu: And the stuff they have written is still mighty good and even relevant
Apr 08 09:44:18 <svu> well, to some extent...
Apr 08 09:44:30 <Myrtti> I can't help but to think I'm with stupid (and I'm alone)
Apr 08 09:45:02 <svu> no there at least 2 of us
Apr 08 09:45:31 * svu just did smth stupid
Apr 08 10:18:31 <Stskeeps> jeremiah_: good post - hope it'll lead to a proper definition of how things are
Apr 08 10:24:32 <Myrtti> and of course, no one of the people I need is online *GRRRRRRR*
Apr 08 10:28:16 <t_s_o> ?
Apr 08 10:39:05 <RST38h> Myrtti: Won't cheap synthetic substitutes do?
Apr 08 10:40:11 <Myrtti> fuck this, I'll go and have a bacon butty and some cranberry juice.
Apr 08 10:40:31 <Stskeeps> http://linuxdevices.com/news/NS5060610965.html <- want.
Apr 08 10:40:32 <Myrtti> atleast I'll be annoyed *AND* wellfed
Apr 08 10:40:48 <lcuk> did someone mention bacon?
Apr 08 10:41:01 <RST38h> hehe
Apr 08 10:41:07 <RST38h> Sts: Probably costs a fortune
Apr 08 10:41:13 <Stskeeps> probably
Apr 08 10:41:14 <Stskeeps> still
Apr 08 10:42:02 * RST38h wonders if it has a built-in catheter
Apr 08 10:42:05 <lcuk> Myrtti, anything we can help with
Apr 08 10:42:37 <Stskeeps> RST38h: hw wise it's kinda like a tablet though
Apr 08 10:42:42 <lcuk> wow Stskeeps that has to make buzz lightyear laser noises
Apr 08 10:42:58 <Stskeeps> ah, militaryaerospace
Apr 08 10:43:34 <RST38h> Sts: tablet isn't very special hardware wise, so just about any ARM-based gadget will look like it
Apr 08 10:44:00 <lcuk> wow, it runs linux and wince, is this one of those vmware jobbies :P :D
Apr 08 10:44:17 <RST38h> Sts: bringing back the SF topic, this looks like something out of Hyperion Cantos
Apr 08 10:44:33 <Stskeeps> it looks like something out of futurama
Apr 08 10:44:33 <Stskeeps> :P
Apr 08 10:44:57 <RST38h> Sts: So, it has to have built in med diagnostics and ways to transfer medication
Apr 08 10:46:00 <Stskeeps> automatic morphine injection
Apr 08 10:46:28 <RST38h> Sts: that too (it was part of the military suit)
Apr 08 10:47:15 <RST38h> and a beta-voltaic power source to feed it all =)
Apr 08 10:56:14 <Myrtti> BWHAHA
Apr 08 10:56:21 <Myrtti> grilled cheese bacon butty nomnom
Apr 08 10:57:27 * Stskeeps ponders idly if jaiku has become more sucky after move to google engine
Apr 08 10:57:46 <Stskeeps> can't find api info, can't see beyond 25 people in the channel, etc
Apr 08 10:58:11 <Stskeeps> X-Fade: what service was it you maemo.org people were on again?
Apr 08 10:58:30 <X-Fade> http://www.qaiku.com
Apr 08 10:58:44 <Myrtti> ♥ qaiku ♥
Apr 08 10:58:46 <X-Fade> Better than jaiku ;)
Apr 08 10:59:16 <Stskeeps> microblogging really need federation
Apr 08 10:59:27 <Stskeeps> and interoperability
Apr 08 10:59:33 <Myrtti> dream on
Apr 08 10:59:37 <Stskeeps> yeah, i know
Apr 08 11:00:02 <X-Fade> Well, it will probably work with Mauku in the near future.
Apr 08 11:00:11 * RST38h still does not understand what the purpose of microblogging is
Apr 08 11:00:14 <X-Fade> As soon as bergie designs the api ;)
Apr 08 11:00:25 <Myrtti> RST38h: HELLOOO I AM HERE EATING A BACON BUTTY!
Apr 08 11:00:28 <Stskeeps> RST38h: it's a good way to ad to awareness in a team
Apr 08 11:00:31 <Stskeeps> for instance
Apr 08 11:00:35 <Stskeeps> add
Apr 08 11:00:38 <Myrtti> </twitter>
Apr 08 11:01:02 <RST38h> Myrtti: <twitter><time>12:00</time>Taking a shit.</twitter>
Apr 08 11:01:10 <andre__> if you're too lazy to write a blog post and if you think that a one-liner is not worth a blogpost, you use a microblogging service
Apr 08 11:01:19 <X-Fade> http://www.qaiku.com/channels/show/maemo/
Apr 08 11:01:26 * RST38h never feels like writing a blog post
Apr 08 11:01:37 <Myrtti> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALbH63Ali9U
Apr 08 11:01:37 <aquatix> andre__: or just don't post it ;)
Apr 08 11:01:53 <andre__> yeah. that's the issue here :-P
Apr 08 11:01:53 * aquatix sticks with regular rants on his weblog
Apr 08 11:03:21 <suihkulokki> you could do like Grg, just pipe shell commands to microblogger: http://twitter.com/gregkh/
Apr 08 11:05:22 * Myrtti puts everything on qaiku and lets twitterfeed and ping.fm federate it all over
Apr 08 11:05:25 * Stskeeps tries a apt-get install hildon-desktop-env to see if today might be the day the freerunner becomes a mer/hildon device
Apr 08 11:06:03 <Stskeeps> excellent. :)
Apr 08 11:06:26 * RST38h imagines his shell commands blogged: mail; mail; mail; pine; mail; pine; rm -rf; mail; ...
Apr 08 11:06:58 <Stskeeps> mm, pine
Apr 08 11:08:34 <suihkulokki> for emacs users it is "08:30 emacs" and "16:30 logout"
Apr 08 11:09:17 <RST38h> 16:32 while my user is taking a piss let us see what this command does... -- emacs
Apr 08 11:10:00 <Myrtti> my top ten doesn't even have emacs :-)
Apr 08 11:11:41 * Myrtti kicks debian installer in the groin
Apr 08 11:12:49 <Myrtti> please be a good little installer for mommy and I'll give you more physical ram to use
Apr 08 11:14:21 <_berto_> can you actually use a computer without emacs ?? :-m            ;-)
Apr 08 11:14:50 * RST38h suggests Myrtti tries Win7 installer for a change
Apr 08 11:15:17 <Myrtti> ew
Apr 08 11:15:25 * RST38h picks up his rattle and continues dancing around the sacrifical fire
Apr 08 11:16:48 <Myrtti> installing one little debian in virtualbox shouldn't be this hard
Apr 08 11:17:22 <_berto_> there are already pre-installed debian images to download at oszoo.org
Apr 08 11:18:03 * Myrtti stares _berto_ maliciously
Apr 08 11:18:14 <Stskeeps> suihkulokki: btw, - we're verifying mer packages build on both lenny and jaunty, so it should be easier to adopt packages if need be
Apr 08 11:18:46 <Stskeeps>  / bring upstream
Apr 08 11:19:03 <_berto_> Myrtti: why? (I haven't read the full conversation, have I said anything wrong?)
Apr 08 11:19:51 <Myrtti> _berto_: ok, sorry, checked what images were available there and none are the kind I want, I apologize
Apr 08 11:20:19 <Myrtti> _berto_: the stare was of the "why did you tell me that now when I've tried to install this piece of junk for three hours now"
Apr 08 11:20:37 <_berto_> :D
Apr 08 11:20:53 <_berto_> it wasn't that difficult to install debian in a virtual machine last time I tried
Apr 08 11:21:16 <Myrtti> _berto_: sure, but mine seems to halt in some point of the installation without explanations
Apr 08 11:21:24 <Myrtti> like now when trying to set up grub
Apr 08 11:21:40 <_berto_> (never tried with virtualbox actually, only with KVM)
Apr 08 11:22:06 <RST38h> "...and the Penguin came to him for the three nights and tempted him...and on the third night he succumbed to the Penguin..."
Apr 08 11:22:36 * Myrtti gives up and installs kvm and all the other possible solutions
Apr 08 11:22:49 <RST38h> "...and paid dearly for his fall by having to write shell script and wait video in xterm for the rest of his life."
Apr 08 11:23:15 <RST38h> s/wait/watch
Apr 08 11:23:29 <_berto_> Myrtti: do you have hardware virtualization support?
Apr 08 11:23:36 <Myrtti> _berto_: yes.
Apr 08 11:23:49 * RST38h giggles at the mention of hardware virtualization
Apr 08 11:23:51 <Myrtti> I have SuSE running on the same host fine
Apr 08 11:32:10 <Mikho_> would anybody know how to pair fixed pin code bluetooth devices with ubuntu 8.10?
Apr 08 11:33:04 <Mikho_> the bluetooth wizard tells me to enter a random pin on the device to be pairedm, and won't let me input the pin fixed in the device
Apr 08 11:33:44 <tank-man> solution is don't use the wizard and manually edit the config file ;)
Apr 08 11:33:58 <Mikho_> which config file? where are the pairings
Apr 08 11:34:57 <qgil> hi, thanks X-Fade and Eero for the work done in the sponsorship request form
Apr 08 11:35:06 <qgil> http://wiki.maemo.org/Mozilla_Maemo_Danish_Weekend#Sponsorship is open now
Apr 08 11:35:27 <tank-man> Mikho_, well that probably depends on the distribution
Apr 08 11:35:34 <tank-man> and i dont use ubuntu
Apr 08 11:36:06 <tank-man> maybe in /etc/bluetooth/passkeys/
Apr 08 11:36:31 <Stskeeps> qgil, X-Fade: http://maemo.org/news/events/registrations/ says "registration closed"
Apr 08 11:36:38 <Mikho_> there's no such directory
Apr 08 11:37:17 <tank-man> yea different distro, different setup
Apr 08 11:38:21 <Stskeeps> but then again, i might be chained in with my login
Apr 08 11:38:52 <Myrtti> atleast qemu is a bit faster than virtualbox.
Apr 08 11:38:54 <Myrtti> sigh
Apr 08 11:39:17 <qgil> Stskeeps: mmm maybe because of timezones? wait
Apr 08 11:39:19 <Stskeeps> ah, open for registration 2009-04-08 14:16:38 might be why
Apr 08 11:40:05 <qgil> sts changed and seems to be that, yes
Apr 08 11:40:08 <qgil> now is open
Apr 08 11:40:15 <Stskeeps> alright - ta
Apr 08 11:40:18 <Stskeeps> just probing around
Apr 08 11:40:25 <qgil> thanks!
Apr 08 11:42:23 <Stskeeps> i'll make a writeup of the generic goal of Mer on the weekend later and use that as a guideline for activities relating to Mer in that weekend
Apr 08 11:44:39 <Stskeeps> qgil: also, now there seems to be a conflict between registered on mozilla-europe.org and on maemo.org
Apr 08 11:45:14 <Stskeeps> like, - the maemo.org one acts like it's the primary registration sortof
Apr 08 11:45:15 <qgil> Stskeeps: no, no, this one is only about request sponsorship
Apr 08 11:45:24 <Stskeeps> alright, might be worth noting then
Apr 08 11:45:34 <qgil> a bit confusing yes, but we wanted to avoif having to register to maemo.org for the Mozillas only folks
Apr 08 11:45:38 <Stskeeps> *nod*
Apr 08 11:45:45 <qgil> and they didn't have something to deal with sponsorship requests
Apr 08 11:45:46 <Stskeeps> as it says Register for this event
Apr 08 11:46:09 <qgil> Stskeeps: but that page will be only linked from http://wiki.maemo.org/Mozilla_Maemo_Danish_Weekend#Sponsorship
Apr 08 11:46:37 <Stskeeps> ah
Apr 08 11:46:40 <Stskeeps> fair enough
Apr 08 11:47:05 <Stskeeps> ignore my registration saying no sponsorship needed then ;)
Apr 08 11:47:14 <X-Fade> Stskeeps: Quick hack to do this ;)
Apr 08 11:47:21 <qgil> I will use it as a test Stskeeps
Apr 08 11:47:25 <Stskeeps> alright
Apr 08 11:48:47 <qgil> Stskeeps: let me know when you receive an email with the rejection  :)
Apr 08 11:49:29 <qgil> so is this page visible to everybody?  https://maemo.org/news/events/registrations/event/list_registrations/8352ee2c242e11de8f60a7c7088bfc14fc14/
Apr 08 11:49:41 <qgil> or wait http://maemo.org/news/events/registrations/event/list_registrations/8352ee2c242e11de8f60a7c7088bfc14fc14/
Apr 08 11:49:44 <qgil> this one with http
Apr 08 11:50:40 <Stskeeps> with login, yes
Apr 08 11:50:49 <Stskeeps> or not, hmm
Apr 08 11:51:16 <Stskeeps> nop, not accessible
Apr 08 11:51:17 <X-Fade> Stskeeps: Shouldn't be?
Apr 08 11:51:29 <X-Fade> Should present you with the login screen only.
Apr 08 11:51:35 <Stskeeps> yeah - login screen only
Apr 08 11:51:37 <Stskeeps> can't log in
Apr 08 11:51:53 <Stskeeps> was too quick on the trigger :)
Apr 08 11:53:53 <RST38h> it does
Apr 08 12:00:34 <VDVsx> X-Fade, seems that the discussion karma gone again :)
Apr 08 12:07:17 <RST38h> Anyone installed Digia already?
Apr 08 12:22:11 <Stskeeps> qgil: approved registration, additional information with title/description/start/end date blank
Apr 08 12:29:53 <qgil> Stskeeps: do you say you received an approved registration but not an email rejecting you? anyway, X-Fade will test more
Apr 08 12:29:56 <qgil> I need to leave now
Apr 08 12:30:14 <Stskeeps> X-Fade: yeah, approved registration
Apr 08 12:37:52 <qwerty12> Finally! https://garage.maemo.org/builder/diablo/webkit_1.0-svn41128-1maemo3/
Apr 08 12:38:01 <qwerty12> Shame it's an v.old revision now though...
Apr 08 12:38:12 <X-Fade> qwerty12: At least it worked ;)
Apr 08 12:38:29 <qwerty12> X-Fade, and didn't destroy the autobuilder in the process (this time) ;)
Apr 08 12:38:58 <Stskeeps> http://wiki.maemo.org/MozillaMaemoDanishWeekend#Mer <- comments?
Apr 08 12:39:00 <X-Fade> qwerty12: Only armel?
Apr 08 12:39:21 <qwerty12> X-Fade, yeah, i386 build fails (ironic, I know...)
Apr 08 12:39:39 <X-Fade> qwerty12: But you need that for SDK compilation?
Apr 08 12:40:06 <qwerty12> X-Fade, I never touch DIABLO_X86 ;)
Apr 08 12:40:24 <qwerty12> Only annoyance is that packages depending on it will have to have their arch set to armel...
Apr 08 12:41:06 <X-Fade> qwerty12: Any idea why it failed?
Apr 08 12:41:18 <qwerty12> But let's give it a test: I've fixed up midori 0.1.4 to compile under Diablo...
Apr 08 12:41:38 <qwerty12> g++ couldn't handle it
Apr 08 12:41:43 <qwerty12> "sbox-i686-linux-g++: Internal error: Killed (program cc1plus)"
Apr 08 12:42:02 <X-Fade> qwerty12: OOM ?
Apr 08 12:42:05 <qwerty12> And it was building for i386 twice so it's not a one time only incident
Apr 08 12:42:19 <qwerty12> No idea, I'd have thought ARMEL builds would be more prone to an OOM :)
Apr 08 12:42:45 <X-Fade> Only 1 GB ram in there :(
Apr 08 12:43:15 <qwerty12> Heh, would explain a bit :)
Apr 08 12:50:09 <lardman> afternoon chaps
Apr 08 12:50:12 <Stskeeps> afternoon
Apr 08 12:50:38 <RST38h> moo lardman
Apr 08 12:50:39 <qwerty12> ello lardman (and props for using BST ;P) :)
Apr 08 12:50:59 <lardman> even without BST it's afternoon ;)
Apr 08 12:51:51 <RST38h> So, any thoughts on Digia?
Apr 08 12:52:04 <Stskeeps> X-Fade: hah @ activity log: monitored autobuilder for qwerty12 ;)
Apr 08 12:52:50 <qwerty12> What can I say? I obviously get the VIP treatment ;P
Apr 08 12:52:59 <X-Fade> Stskeeps: Yeah, that is an active job as it can really die on the spot ;)
Apr 08 12:53:54 * lardman wonders what Digia is
Apr 08 12:56:21 <RST38h> lardman: A webkit based browser, originally for UIQ, it has just appeared at maemo downloads
Apr 08 12:56:34 <RST38h> does not look like it is in the repo yet though (trying to find and install)
Apr 08 12:57:22 <RST38h> "A study has determined that, although smokers cause a considerable and obvious burden to the health care system, nonsmokers live too long and present a burden due to their longevity."
Apr 08 12:57:26 <X-Fade> Yeah is a closed source app. The company contacted me to upload to Extras.
Apr 08 12:57:26 <jeremiah_> Stskeeps: Heh, just friended you on Fajsbook.
Apr 08 12:57:28 <RST38h> Bastards.
Apr 08 12:57:54 <RST38h> X-Fade: Can't they do it themselves same as I do?
Apr 08 12:58:08 <X-Fade> RST38h: Sure.. And they did.
Apr 08 12:58:21 <Stskeeps> jeremiah_: added
Apr 08 12:58:36 <X-Fade> RST38h: But they aren't used to the community way. They tried to do it the business way ;)
Apr 08 12:58:46 * RST38h obsessively hitting Update on the app manager =)
Apr 08 12:59:01 <lardman> RST38h: ah cool
Apr 08 12:59:05 <X-Fade> RST38h: Probably only in extras-devel
Apr 08 12:59:13 <jeremiah_> Stskeeps: Now I am going to go through your friends list to see what kind of company you keep. =)
Apr 08 12:59:14 <X-Fade> As QT support isn't in Extras.
Apr 08 12:59:19 <RST38h> X-Fade: May be good stuff though, especially if they have done it for Symbian devices
Apr 08 12:59:21 <RST38h> Oh
Apr 08 12:59:26 <Stskeeps> jeremiah_: freaks and weirdoes :P
Apr 08 12:59:41 <jeremiah_> Sounds like my kind of people.
Apr 08 12:59:54 <Stskeeps> think i have andre on from here but that's about it
Apr 08 13:01:39 <RST38h> X-Fade: Are they at least compliant with the current library versions in extras-devel? no need to install a separate copy of qt just for their stuff? =0
Apr 08 13:01:41 <andre__> yeah. i'm sorry i don't have more maemo friends over there :-P
Apr 08 13:01:56 <qwerty12> X-Fade, their install file suggests that they're trying to upload to Extras
Apr 08 13:02:10 <X-Fade> RST38h: They only uploaded their bin, not the libs.
Apr 08 13:02:20 * RST38h beats on his rattle woefully and restores from the previous savepoint. Shit.
Apr 08 13:02:20 * Stskeeps usually prefers meeting people first (i actually have a 95% rate of that on my facebook list) and talking to them, but since i'm probably meeting andre and jeremiah_ in cph .. :)
Apr 08 13:02:47 <RST38h> Sts: What if I am a dog or a hamster typing on the keyboard?
Apr 08 13:02:48 * lcuk has no facebook
Apr 08 13:03:07 <RST38h> X-Fade: I.e. no guarantees it will even install?
Apr 08 13:03:08 <Stskeeps> RST38h: i hold no prejudice. you could be an uploaded lobster for what i care :P
Apr 08 13:03:11 <lcuk> tho i probably do lol
Apr 08 13:03:31 <X-Fade> RST38h: No guarantees for everything in non-free
Apr 08 13:03:32 <jeremiah_> I am extremely prejudicial against uploaded lobsters.
Apr 08 13:03:42 <RST38h> X-Fade: Ack.
Apr 08 13:03:49 <lcuk> X-Fade, so someone from outside the community contacted you and tried to directly get some binary malware installed without any testing phase or anything?
Apr 08 13:04:03 <RST38h> jeremiah: Gastronomically, or in some other aspect?
Apr 08 13:04:12 <X-Fade> RST38h: But I think it will work with our version. At least they hinted at that in their mail.
Apr 08 13:04:32 <jeremiah_> Other aspect, yesterday I explained my gastronomical biases, weren't you taking notes?
Apr 08 13:04:34 <X-Fade> lcuk: This is done via the official way. Just uploaded to non-free.
Apr 08 13:04:35 <RST38h> X-Fade: umgh...
Apr 08 13:04:56 <RST38h> jeremiah: Yeah...
Apr 08 13:05:15 <lcuk> o_O can anyone get untested app installed into extras?
Apr 08 13:05:26 <RST38h> lcuk: like me
Apr 08 13:05:30 <X-Fade> lcuk: Sure.
Apr 08 13:05:38 <RST38h> lcuk: although I test my stuff before committing :)
Apr 08 13:05:39 <Stskeeps> lcuk: yeah.. it's that or deep paranoia
Apr 08 13:05:40 <Stskeeps> :P
Apr 08 13:05:46 * lcuk creates a new account and sends over hte binaries
Apr 08 13:09:13 <lcuk> how would an unknown party get approaval from you then x-fade
Apr 08 13:09:24 <lcuk> do you get random requests often?
Apr 08 13:09:48 <X-Fade> lcuk: Just use the extras invitation form?
Apr 08 13:10:00 <X-Fade> Anybody can do that?
Apr 08 13:11:13 <lcuk> have you ever turned any applications down?
Apr 08 13:11:44 <X-Fade> I've requested more info from some, where there was no history known.
Apr 08 13:11:52 <X-Fade> And then they just didn't respond etc.
Apr 08 13:12:41 <lcuk> fair enough :) good to see you are covering our backs \o/
Apr 08 13:13:59 <X-Fade> But we are now at the same level as a wiki. Anybody can 'contribute'
Apr 08 13:23:59 <RST38h> X-Fade: scary
Apr 08 13:24:38 <X-Fade> RST38h: Well, clicking on a random .install does the same.
Apr 08 13:25:10 <RST38h> true, but then it is not your repo
Apr 08 13:25:16 <X-Fade> So, yes you can protect people a bit by carefully protecting Extras. But if they just click on a random .install it is all over.
Apr 08 13:25:42 * RST38h does suggest checking people's background (with google) before giving them access
Apr 08 13:25:53 <X-Fade> One thing to note is that uploading is not anonymous.
Apr 08 13:26:00 <RST38h> true
Apr 08 13:31:09 <X-Fade> RST38h: But that is why I still like this idea of letting people vote (karma) for uploaded applications before they get promoted. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MyFedora/Mockups#Package_Details
Apr 08 13:31:23 <X-Fade> Community testers.
Apr 08 13:32:47 <lcuk> how about: the person who uploads the app is different to the person who promotes it :)
Apr 08 13:33:08 <X-Fade> lcuk: I was thinking about a few votes, yes.
Apr 08 13:33:36 <lcuk> when it came to promotion time for liqbase i wasnt sure if i could do it myself or if someone else had to
Apr 08 13:33:51 <RST38h> X-Fade: Sounds like a good idea but the problem is that people seldom vote at all
Apr 08 13:34:06 <RST38h> X-Fade: I would rather suggest negative voting
Apr 08 13:34:19 <X-Fade> RST38h: Well, we can generate a list of packages that are being 'forgotten'
Apr 08 13:34:24 <lcuk> "you can do it unless you break the rules"
Apr 08 13:34:37 <X-Fade> And if that list is not to large, we can test those ourselves.
Apr 08 13:34:43 <RST38h> X-Fade: Automatically open an iTT thread, wait for two weeks and if the thread is not seething with the fecal matter, promote
Apr 08 13:34:50 <X-Fade> The point is that Jeremiah and I don't scale.
Apr 08 13:34:58 <lcuk> 2 weeks is such a long time
Apr 08 13:35:00 <X-Fade> We need more people helping with testing ;)
Apr 08 13:35:06 <lcuk> sure you do X-Fade !!!
Apr 08 13:35:11 <Jaffa> More pizza
Apr 08 13:35:13 <lcuk> we have racks and stuff
Apr 08 13:35:13 <RST38h> X-Fade: iTT crowd will do testing
Apr 08 13:35:32 <lcuk> RST38h, loyal friends will help
Apr 08 13:35:34 <RST38h> X-Fade: Just go over forums once every two weeks and promote everything not marked poisonous
Apr 08 13:35:44 <X-Fade> RST38h: Yeah, so if 5 people all say OK or 5 people say NO, we act.
Apr 08 13:36:05 <RST38h> X-Fade: if more than 1-2 people say No, you investigate
Apr 08 13:36:15 <RST38h> X-Fade: well, depending on what they say really
Apr 08 13:36:21 <X-Fade> RST38h: Reason text field might help.
Apr 08 13:36:21 <lcuk> 2 weeks is a long time in prep, but maybe thats reasonable for first time uploaders
Apr 08 13:36:29 <RST38h> X-Fade: to save yourself work, make each thread a vote
Apr 08 13:36:31 <lcuk> first time promotion of a project rather
Apr 08 13:36:32 <X-Fade> lcuk: Debian takes much longer ;)
Apr 08 13:36:53 <X-Fade> The delay is part of the stabilisation though..
Apr 08 13:36:54 <qwerty12> I thought the point was not to expose end-users to -devel? I bet that there'd be a few n00bs screaming that this package made them need a reflash when it was really them dist-upgrading with -devel repo enabled.
Apr 08 13:37:00 <RST38h> lcuk: Once it is in Extras, the author can update it there without this stuff
Apr 08 13:37:14 <lcuk> yes rst :)
Apr 08 13:37:15 <X-Fade> qwerty12: This is of course only for promotion..
Apr 08 13:37:38 <X-Fade> RST38h: I would let it go through voting for each update too.
Apr 08 13:37:40 * RST38h satisfies Win7 with gentle rattling
Apr 08 13:37:43 <qwerty12> X-Fade, yeah, I'm referring more to the itT aspect :)
Apr 08 13:37:53 <RST38h> X-Fade: For some apps maybe
Apr 08 13:37:54 <lcuk> X-Fade, if you could get those votes sooner "omg, let us have the uber package NAOW!" you could let it through early ;)
Apr 08 13:38:00 <RST38h> X-Fade: especially if developer changes
Apr 08 13:38:06 <RST38h> X-Fade: I would not do it for everything
Apr 08 13:38:21 <X-Fade> RST38h: Every update can contain a major bug.
Apr 08 13:38:29 <RST38h> X-Fade: And would not force extras-devel-only uploads either, rather keep this whole thing as "best practice"
Apr 08 13:38:48 <RST38h> X-Fade: It can, but you do not want to burden yourself or developers unnecessarily
Apr 08 13:39:09 <RST38h> X-Fade: So once everybody agrees that things have calmed down, promote and forget
Apr 08 13:39:45 <X-Fade> RST38h: How about time delayed always, sped up when voted up or down. ;)
Apr 08 13:39:45 <lcuk> RST38h, this isnt bugs, this is maliciousware/trojan/griefer software
Apr 08 13:39:54 <lcuk> x-fade ^
Apr 08 13:40:19 <X-Fade> And we can use user karma to value the votes if really needed.
Apr 08 13:40:30 <lcuk> someone uploads new "iphone emulator" but it turns out to be pornware
Apr 08 13:40:56 <lcuk> which wouldnt be such a bad thing but its false advertising :P
Apr 08 13:41:10 * RST38h suggests against going overly paranoid
Apr 08 13:41:38 <RST38h> Current scheme works just fine, so no immediate reason to change it radically
Apr 08 13:41:46 <RST38h> Just add a few whistles
Apr 08 13:42:16 <lcuk> certainly
Apr 08 13:42:34 <RST38h> promotion from extras-devel is definitely needed
Apr 08 13:42:38 <lcuk> was just a bit *eek* when i heard about unknown parties uploading binaryt only directly to extras without any real oversite
Apr 08 13:42:54 <RST38h> BUT ALSO attention from developers marinating their projects in -devel forever (Abiword, anyone?)
Apr 08 13:43:08 <lcuk> thats because its not ready for the push
Apr 08 13:43:14 <lcuk> or is it?
Apr 08 13:43:16 <RST38h> lcuk; Will it EVER be ready?
Apr 08 13:43:20 <RST38h> Still not, afaik
Apr 08 13:43:36 <lcuk> so it stays in -devel until someone has another push  at working on it
Apr 08 13:43:41 <qwerty12> Hence it still being in -devel.
Apr 08 13:44:08 <RST38h> see comment above about developers' attention
Apr 08 13:44:20 <lcuk> what coulkd happen though with that, is old packages in devel could be expired..
Apr 08 13:44:54 <lcuk> if you havent moved it on or removed it yourself after 2 months go back to the drawing board and try again later
Apr 08 13:45:08 <lcuk> that prevents users seeing things which arent obviously ready
Apr 08 13:45:16 <RST38h> good idea btw
Apr 08 13:46:01 <RST38h> "About a maid I sing a song who didn't have her family along / Not only did she do them wrong / She did every one of them in."
Apr 08 13:46:25 <RST38h> Why the hell did this guy stop performing...
Apr 08 13:47:30 <Jaffa> We'd want to keep the source in -devel, though - one of the aims of *having* the source is to stop old projects disappearing
Apr 08 13:47:46 <Jaffa> That starting point of Abiword could still be useful, even if it's not got a binary package
Apr 08 13:47:49 <lcuk> yes jaffa that point isnt lost on me
Apr 08 13:48:01 <RST38h> so just expire binaries
Apr 08 13:48:02 <Jaffa> And a broken binary might attract a developer's attention more than an unbuilt tarball
Apr 08 13:48:33 <Jaffa> Although, on the flip side it may attract users
Apr 08 13:48:53 <lcuk> jaffa, its not the developers, its the users who add -devel for some other reason, then think abiword is there and have a bad experience
Apr 08 13:49:17 <lcuk> (canola was the big reason ppl had -devel last year wasnt it)
Apr 08 13:49:31 <RST38h> that is because many developers post instructions that say "add extras-devel repo and install"
Apr 08 13:49:50 <lcuk> or have a big green button ;)
Apr 08 13:49:53 <RST38h> maybe we need multiple devel repos? :)
Apr 08 13:49:55 <lcuk> bbl
Apr 08 13:50:24 <RST38h> extras-devel-usable, extras-devel-shite, extras-devel-shite-forte...
Apr 08 13:50:25 <X-Fade> The extras-devel repo should automatically drop from the application manager after install..
Apr 08 13:50:36 <RST38h> does it?
Apr 08 13:50:36 <X-Fade> So newbies won't get bitten.
Apr 08 13:50:51 <ShadowJK> extras-devel-myshitisincompatiblewitheveryoneelsesoIneedthisrepoallformyself
Apr 08 13:51:24 <X-Fade> RST38h: It doesn't now, but it is being discussed.
Apr 08 13:52:53 <timeless> andre__: yeah 4049, you got the right internal bug
Apr 08 13:53:07 <timeless> the actual bug is that the spec specifies something that doesn't make sense
Apr 08 13:53:29 <timeless> text editors should open whatever file the user picks, unless they don't have enough memory to do so
Apr 08 13:53:33 <RST38h> Ahhhahahaha
Apr 08 13:53:41 * RST38h found a wonderful bug in Canola
Apr 08 13:53:50 <andre__> k
Apr 08 13:53:54 <timeless> well.. they're allowed to refuse to open files that they can't read/reach
Apr 08 13:53:58 <timeless> but otherwise
Apr 08 13:54:02 <RST38h> Simple, but absolutely evil and harmful like hell
Apr 08 13:54:12 <aquatix> ah?
Apr 08 13:54:28 <RST38h> Will screw up your memory card in no time
Apr 08 13:54:34 <RST38h> OR your ~
Apr 08 13:54:36 <ShadowJK> What, you've got no way to file bugs against the spec? :-)
Apr 08 13:55:04 <RST38h> Ok, go to playlists, click on any playlist and hold.
Apr 08 13:55:49 <RST38h> See what happens ;)
Apr 08 13:56:20 <qwerty12> I'm guessing it will screw up your memory card in no time?
Apr 08 13:56:33 <RST38h> well, you will still have chance to stop it
Apr 08 13:56:51 <RST38h> just click cancel when it starts doing its shit
Apr 08 13:57:20 <qwerty12> I don't use canola anyway, lovely effects but all I want to be able to do is listen to my tracks without any high CPU overhead
Apr 08 13:57:23 <RST38h> the playlist you are clicking on will be ruined and require manual fixing though
Apr 08 13:57:57 * ShadowJK uses mplayer on his desktop for playing mp3s..
Apr 08 13:58:03 <RST38h> qwerty: Same here, but I still hate builtin player
Apr 08 13:58:06 <etrunko> RST38h: could you please report it
Apr 08 13:58:18 <RST38h> etrunko: bugs.maemo/org?
Apr 08 13:58:27 <etrunko> RST38h: yup
Apr 08 13:58:30 <lcuk> jaffa, VDVsx has mentioned something about the copenhagen meeting about food whilst we are there - am i right that this is a council matter (like the tshirts should be as well )
Apr 08 13:58:32 <qwerty12> RST38h, oh yeah, but on the tablet: I'm a mpd fan through and through :)
Apr 08 13:58:53 <RST38h> etrunko: ack
Apr 08 14:00:35 <Jaffa> lcuk: raise it on -community?
Apr 08 14:00:56 <timeless> what are you doing on community? :(
Apr 08 14:01:23 <Jaffa> timeless: money for food & tshirts at the Copenhagen meeting
Apr 08 14:01:35 * Jaffa is up to his eyes in SVG workflow visualisation atm
Apr 08 14:02:01 <timeless> ok, i don't have any money :)
Apr 08 14:04:13 <RST38h> etrunko: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4257
Apr 08 14:04:23 <etrunko> RST38h: thank you
Apr 08 14:04:56 <RST38h> etrunko: sorry for not providing Maemo version, but it is the latest one and I do not think it matters anywya
Apr 08 14:05:31 <etrunko> RST38h: no problem :)
Apr 08 14:06:23 <timeless> anyway, i'm gone for the weekend, i'll be vaguely around for the middle of next week. happy holidays/holydays to all
Apr 08 14:12:58 <guysoft42> j #kde
Apr 08 14:18:27 <Macer> awesome. complete 1080p firefly collection :)
Apr 08 14:18:37 <Macer> makes me want to watch it over
Apr 08 14:19:19 <mgedmin> ooh
Apr 08 14:19:39 * mgedmin plugged an asus eeepc 900 into a 1080p TV last night
Apr 08 14:19:49 <mgedmin> 2 frames per second aren't exactly nice to have
Apr 08 14:20:01 <RST38h> Get yourself a real computer.
Apr 08 14:20:13 <Jaffa> Macer: oooh, shiny
Apr 08 14:20:16 * mgedmin is kinda looking for one
Apr 08 14:20:49 <qwerty12> hannesw, if you wanna upload pywebkitgtk, webkit is in extras-devel for diablo now. But you'll have to set the arch to armel.
Apr 08 14:21:19 <hannesw> qwerty12: hey, that's great news!
Apr 08 14:21:44 <hannesw> i'm a bit out of maemo dev because of day job
Apr 08 14:21:53 <qwerty12> Ah :)
Apr 08 14:21:57 <hannesw> but i hope to pick it up over the easter holidays.
Apr 08 14:23:24 <qwerty12> Gonna upload midori to test it out, I've already got fullscreen, zoom in and out properly binded without needing to enable-accels
Apr 08 14:24:48 <X-Fade> qwerty12: webkit-eal, please ;)
Apr 08 14:25:01 <qwerty12> X-Fade, that's hannesw's area ;)
Apr 08 14:25:33 <gnuton2> Hi there
Apr 08 14:25:40 <X-Fade> Current version is a long way, it just needs a few fixes.
Apr 08 14:25:49 <hannesw> oh yes, gotta put out a new release.
Apr 08 14:25:49 <X-Fade> Hi Antonio.
Apr 08 14:25:59 <gnuton2> Hei Niels :D
Apr 08 14:26:07 <hannesw> i'm almost done, just want to support a few more settings via gconf.
Apr 08 14:27:03 <X-Fade> gnuton2: How are things in QT4.5 land? Looking good?
Apr 08 14:27:22 <X-Fade> Pretty sweet to see that animation demo running on N810.
Apr 08 14:27:22 <qwerty12> hannesw, I wondered why you let dh_strip strip webkit-dbg. Now I can see why. :)
Apr 08 14:27:47 <X-Fade> qwerty12: That one was pretty HUGE!
Apr 08 14:28:10 <qwerty12> Yeah :D
Apr 08 14:28:43 <qwerty12> If I upload (or anyone else) newer version, I'll stop that package from being built
Apr 08 14:28:49 <hannesw> yeah, i tried to use the debug symbols to debug the crashes i had
Apr 08 14:28:52 <gnuton2> X-Fade: There are still some things to fix in fremantle.. but it's usable.
Apr 08 14:29:07 <hannesw> but when gdb started loading, it took 2 minutes and then everything crashed.
Apr 08 14:29:16 <qwerty12> heh
Apr 08 14:29:25 <hannesw> so it's rather pointless.
Apr 08 14:44:58 <Stskeeps> kozak: saw new 0.11 ui? :)
Apr 08 14:45:36 <kozak> no!!!!! its been a long time... feeling like I rediscovered internet here :)
Apr 08 14:45:41 <Stskeeps> hehe
Apr 08 14:45:53 <Stskeeps> kozak: http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Releases/0.11#Screenshots
Apr 08 14:46:42 <kozak> good to see network manager!!!!!!!!!!
Apr 08 14:46:51 <Stskeeps> hehe
Apr 08 14:46:59 <Stskeeps> that was in already from start :)
Apr 08 14:47:26 <qwerty12> Good? I remember me saying it sucked many animals balls yesterday...
Apr 08 14:47:28 <qwerty12> :)
Apr 08 14:47:36 <kozak> oh ok
Apr 08 14:47:38 <Stskeeps> yeah, room for improvement :>
Apr 08 14:50:45 <kozak> Stskeeps: is there aUSB host support on maemo?
Apr 08 14:51:06 <Stskeeps> kozak: yeah - we don't have functionality for it beyond terminal echo
Apr 08 14:51:16 <Stskeeps> i think the beagle kernel right now is stuck to gadget
Apr 08 14:51:29 <dneary> Hi
Apr 08 14:51:41 <kozak> hmmm would be great to haev that especially on an internet tablet...
Apr 08 14:51:44 <dneary> X-Fade: How high a priority is the site redesign for you these days?
Apr 08 14:51:58 <Stskeeps> kozak: internet tablets have usb host, but not a lot of power budget
Apr 08 14:52:16 <X-Fade> dneary: Neithan and I reserved tomorrow for it.
Apr 08 14:52:36 <dneary> X-Fade: How many days do you think it'll take to clear the most urgent items?
Apr 08 14:52:50 <dneary> X-Fade: Is the end of next week a realistic deployment date?
Apr 08 14:53:24 <X-Fade> dneary: As said in the meeting, we try to be ready for a go/no go for the next meeting.
Apr 08 14:53:32 <dneary> OK
Apr 08 14:53:34 <dneary> Great
Apr 08 14:53:42 <dneary> Thanks :)
Apr 08 14:53:55 <dneary> Have a nice day everyone!
Apr 08 14:53:55 <kozak> yeah I agree.... but one use case is to share photos from my digital camera without actually copying it to a PC
Apr 08 14:54:45 <aquatix> Stskeeps: hm, nice shots
Apr 08 14:55:01 <aquatix> some talented should come up with some nice network-manager icons
Apr 08 14:55:41 <Stskeeps> yeah - wazd and oxygen icons sound like a nice bet
Apr 08 14:55:54 <aquatix> yep
Apr 08 14:56:47 <kozak> stskeeps: http://www.itechnews.net/tag/omap3-netbook/ -- things like these for example have 15 hours battery life!
Apr 08 14:56:53 <kozak> at least they claim
Apr 08 14:57:09 <Stskeeps> the Touch Book?
Apr 08 14:57:23 <aquatix> Stskeeps: as long as the icons aren't too shiny
Apr 08 14:57:24 <kozak> stskeeps: for these things it makes sense to have a host mode!
Apr 08 14:57:29 <Stskeeps> yeah - it would probably have better batttery life with Maemo
Apr 08 14:57:30 <aquatix> maybe even have monochrome ones
Apr 08 14:58:03 <aquatix> can the n810 drive a 2.5" hdd over host usb btw?
Apr 08 14:58:06 <kozak> stskeeps: exactly! unlike atom based stuff  ;)
Apr 08 14:58:09 <Stskeeps> kozak: http://i.gizmodo.com/5162584/first-hands-on-touch-book-is-part+netbook-part+tablet
Apr 08 14:58:25 * aquatix guesses `no'
Apr 08 14:58:48 <Stskeeps> aquatix: doubt it, with a powered usb hub maybe
Apr 08 14:58:58 <qwerty12> aquatix, I've seen a HD connected to an N810 before by bunanson on itT. Need a powered USB hub though
Apr 08 14:59:11 <aquatix> qwerty12, Stskeeps: yeah, guessed so
Apr 08 15:00:28 <Macer> Stskeeps: it is tracking now
Apr 08 15:00:33 <Macer> ;)
Apr 08 15:00:42 <Stskeeps> Macer: woo
Apr 08 15:00:54 <Macer> sure is some pretty weak tracking tho haha
Apr 08 15:01:37 <Macer> then again. im sure ohare is a big usps hub for international usps flights
Apr 08 15:01:49 <aquatix> 16:18:27         Macer | awesome. complete 1080p firefly collection :)
Apr 08 15:01:53 <aquatix> awesome!
Apr 08 15:02:08 * aquatix has the dvd's, but hey
Apr 08 15:02:09 <Macer> yeah.. it's 70G
Apr 08 15:02:09 <Stskeeps> i'm sure they enter a black hole, exit on the other side of the universe, gets mashed by giants on Planet X, and gets sent back
Apr 08 15:02:22 <Macer> hahahaha
Apr 08 15:02:38 <aquatix> Stskeeps: and then encounter some Reavers?
Apr 08 15:02:43 <Stskeeps> probably
Apr 08 15:03:22 <Macer> it is going to take 8 hours to download this
Apr 08 15:03:43 <Macer> with my cable modem maxed out
Apr 08 15:03:45 <aquatix> and then you're going to convert it to watch on your n810?
Apr 08 15:03:51 <Macer> haha
Apr 08 15:04:02 <Macer> no. i have shitty mp4s for that ;)
Apr 08 15:04:11 <aquatix> ;)
Apr 08 15:04:13 <Macer> this is for the plasma with surround sound
Apr 08 15:04:31 * aquatix thinks 1080p has shitty resolution
Apr 08 15:04:35 <aquatix> doesn't even fill my tft
Apr 08 15:04:50 <Macer> it is still much better than standard tv
Apr 08 15:05:05 <aquatix> but i think my pc won't cut the load of full res video
Apr 08 15:05:10 <aquatix> certainly
Apr 08 15:05:14 <aquatix> i rather like it :)
Apr 08 15:05:19 <Macer> heh
Apr 08 15:05:24 * aquatix has an oldfashioned crt tv yet
Apr 08 15:05:32 <Macer> my gf has a sony.. uhm.. bravia?
Apr 08 15:05:34 <aquatix> standard definition :)
Apr 08 15:05:54 * aquatix has something similar
Apr 08 15:05:58 <aquatix> JVC
Apr 08 15:06:03 <Macer> that thing has an amazing picture. puts my panasonic to shame
Apr 08 15:06:21 <aquatix> i saw an 108" plasma the other day
Apr 08 15:06:23 <aquatix> quite amazing
Apr 08 15:06:28 <Macer> jvc != sony
Apr 08 15:06:31 <aquatix> 1080p is shitty though :)
Apr 08 15:06:44 <Macer> haha
Apr 08 15:06:45 <aquatix> Macer: i know
Apr 08 15:07:08 <Macer> on a 108" 1080p would look like standard def =)
Apr 08 15:07:13 <aquatix> worse
Apr 08 15:07:37 <Macer> that bad huh?
Apr 08 15:07:39 <aquatix> the stupid thing was that you could notice mpeg artifacts, of the official Panasonic video running on it
Apr 08 15:07:49 <Macer> lol
Apr 08 15:08:06 <aquatix> kinda defeats the whole purpose
Apr 08 15:08:15 <Macer> sure does
Apr 08 15:08:20 * aquatix strolled around in Harrods a while ago
Apr 08 15:08:37 * RST38h feeds Win7 installer another sacrificial lamb
Apr 08 15:08:45 <Macer> this download is going 2500K/s
Apr 08 15:08:59 <Macer> and is going to take 8 more hours
Apr 08 15:09:02 <Macer> weak
Apr 08 15:09:11 <aquatix> whoa
Apr 08 15:09:19 <aquatix> what kind of link are you on?
Apr 08 15:09:31 <Macer> business class cable modem
Apr 08 15:09:32 * aquatix only does 1230K/s at home
Apr 08 15:09:35 <aquatix> ah
Apr 08 15:10:25 <Macer> sometimes it busts a nut and goes 2800
Apr 08 15:10:45 <Macer> ah well. i need food. ttyl
Apr 08 15:11:43 <Stskeeps> ah, right, ordering pizza
Apr 08 15:11:45 <Stskeeps> knew i had something to do
Apr 08 15:11:49 <aquatix> ciao
Apr 08 15:11:56 * aquatix thinks he should go home
Apr 08 15:12:25 <jeremiah_> Stskeeps: Get some pepperoni for me.
Apr 08 15:12:35 <Stskeeps> hehe
Apr 08 15:13:05 <aquatix> yummy
Apr 08 15:13:23 * aquatix seconds that motion
Apr 08 15:13:51 <Macer> denmark pizza :)
Apr 08 15:13:57 <Macer> i could only wonder what that must taste like
Apr 08 15:14:18 <Macer> when i was in california.. i went pizza place to pizza place trying to find one that didn't suck
Apr 08 15:14:27 <Macer> i found one in oceanside :)
Apr 08 15:14:31 <qwerty12> Stskeeps, does your pizza come in a box like: http://hitman47.3dactionplanet.gamespy.com/hitman2/cheats/images/pizza.jpg
Apr 08 15:14:41 <jeremiah_> Macer: Wha? American pizza rocks.
Apr 08 15:14:46 <Macer> er
Apr 08 15:14:51 <Macer> i live in chicago
Apr 08 15:14:55 <Macer> not all american pizza is good
Apr 08 15:15:09 <jeremiah_> Chicago deep dish is famous.
Apr 08 15:15:10 <Macer> i'm from chicago :) where pizza is good haha
Apr 08 15:15:18 <Macer> nyc has some good pizza too
Apr 08 15:15:27 <Macer> but every time i went to another place.. it has always sucked
Apr 08 15:15:30 <Stskeeps> qwerty12: almost, but without the turd
Apr 08 15:15:30 <jeremiah_> I prefer New York, Famous Ray/s
Apr 08 15:15:31 <Macer> especially california
Apr 08 15:15:37 <qwerty12> Stskeeps, lol
Apr 08 15:15:58 <Macer> jeremiah_: the best pizza comes from the 20 yr family owned dive
Apr 08 15:16:13 <jeremiah_> In New Haven CT.!
Apr 08 15:16:17 <t5vaha01> self made pizza is best
Apr 08 15:16:22 <Macer> i can't stand shit like ... papa johns
Apr 08 15:16:25 <Macer> and pizza hut
Apr 08 15:16:34 <Macer> that is not real pizza :)
Apr 08 15:16:36 <jeremiah_> That is just dough and lots of cheese
Apr 08 15:16:43 <jeremiah_> I mean lots of cheese,
Apr 08 15:16:43 <Macer> bad dough at that
Apr 08 15:16:49 <jeremiah_> no really, lots of cheese
Apr 08 15:16:54 <Macer> haha
Apr 08 15:17:09 <Macer> then to cover up the taste of their mass produced sauce.. they shoved cheese into the crust :)
Apr 08 15:17:10 <X-Fade> jeremiah_: Artificial cheese at that.
Apr 08 15:17:22 <Macer> is there a such thing as artificial cheese?
Apr 08 15:17:24 <jeremiah_> Cheese that tastes like plastic.
Apr 08 15:17:34 <jeremiah_> Really bland and chewy.
Apr 08 15:17:40 <Macer> i was making some kraft mac and cheese
Apr 08 15:17:47 <Macer> and the powdered stuff said "REAL" cheese
Apr 08 15:17:50 <Macer> wtf?
Apr 08 15:17:59 <jeremiah_> It is, it is just de-hydrated.
Apr 08 15:17:59 <Macer> concentrated cheese powder is considered real cheese?
Apr 08 15:18:17 <jeremiah_> Not by the French maybe, but by the Americans.
Apr 08 15:18:22 <Macer> haha
Apr 08 15:18:31 <Macer> so like.. what is artificial cheese?
Apr 08 15:18:56 <jeremiah_> Red 234, Igar, skim milk, road kill, old hotdogs.
Apr 08 15:19:02 <Macer> if that crap can pass as real cheese.. i'm sure you would have to make quite a case to find something that is trying to pass itself off as cheese
Apr 08 15:19:23 <Stskeeps> heh, pizza hut went bankrupt in .dk
Apr 08 15:19:28 <Macer> Stskeeps: good
Apr 08 15:19:42 <Macer> i'm still pissed we bailed out aig.. but hey.. that's just me
Apr 08 15:19:42 <qwerty12> Stskeeps, pizza hut are renaming themselves to pasta hut here. wtf?...
Apr 08 15:20:04 <jeremiah_> Pasta hut?
Apr 08 15:20:10 <Macer> qwerty12: they called themselves something else in kuwait too
Apr 08 15:20:13 <jeremiah_> Spaghetti Cabin?
Apr 08 15:20:14 <Macer> i can't remember
Apr 08 15:20:26 <Macer> but i thought it was funny muslims were dishing out pizza with the swine on it
Apr 08 15:20:27 <jeremiah_> Small wooden shack that serves food?
Apr 08 15:20:51 <Macer> enabling the infedels
Apr 08 15:20:59 <jeremiah_> My experience eating in "huts" is less than good.
Apr 08 15:21:10 <glass> pizza the hut
Apr 08 15:21:19 <Macer> haha
Apr 08 15:21:25 <Macer> anyways.. i still haven't gone to get food
Apr 08 15:21:26 <Macer> later
Apr 08 15:22:57 * Stskeeps puts on a house episode.
Apr 08 15:23:55 <Jaffa> qwerty12: They've gone back to Piza Hut - I think it was a joke and/or a one-time gimmick
Apr 08 15:23:55 <||cw> heh, initial parse was "explode"... was like, how does one "put on" a house explode?
Apr 08 15:24:13 <qwerty12> Jaffa, ah, thank god for that...
Apr 08 15:39:11 <Stskeeps> 'lo aladds
Apr 08 15:39:18 <aladds> hey!
Apr 08 15:39:24 <aladds> how's it going?
Apr 08 15:39:36 <Stskeeps> aladds: your burnt out 770 has now eventually caused Mer for 770 that works well :)
Apr 08 15:39:43 <aladds> awesome!
Apr 08 15:39:50 <aladds> i replaced it with an N810
Apr 08 15:39:59 <aladds> been playing with GPS on it
Apr 08 15:40:02 <aladds> it's fun
Apr 08 15:40:12 <Stskeeps> :)
Apr 08 15:40:19 <Stskeeps> you have a working GPS? ;)
Apr 08 15:40:22 <aladds> didn't get a wayfinder trial though :(
Apr 08 15:40:29 <aladds> (2nd hand)
Apr 08 15:40:32 <aladds> yeah it works
Apr 08 15:40:34 <aladds> :P
Apr 08 15:40:48 <aladds> it doesn't take *that* long to lock...
Apr 08 15:40:54 <Stskeeps> hehe
Apr 08 15:40:58 <aladds> maybe 5 mins?
Apr 08 15:41:04 <aladds> usually less
Apr 08 15:41:41 <aladds> so what's the status of Mer anyway?
Apr 08 15:41:46 <aladds> is it usable yet?
Apr 08 15:42:18 <Stskeeps> getting closer
Apr 08 15:42:23 <Stskeeps> were you UK based or how was it?
Apr 08 15:42:45 <aladds> cool
Apr 08 15:42:46 <aladds> hm?
Apr 08 15:42:51 <aladds> am I UK based
Apr 08 15:42:51 <Stskeeps> location wise
Apr 08 15:42:53 <Stskeeps> yeah
Apr 08 15:43:09 <aladds> it's pretty good
Apr 08 15:43:24 <aladds> it's a shame Maemo Mapper can't do route plans without the internet
Apr 08 15:43:50 <Stskeeps> yeah
Apr 08 15:44:13 <aladds> but the speech stuff works well
Apr 08 15:44:23 <aladds> maps are clear
Apr 08 15:44:29 <aladds> it's pretty good fun
Apr 08 15:44:32 <Stskeeps> reason i ask about UK is http://wiki.maemo.org/MozillaMaemoDanishWeekend :)
Apr 08 15:46:41 <aladds> ah
Apr 08 15:46:42 <aladds> cool
Apr 08 15:47:53 <Macer> how do i change which wm debian uses?
Apr 08 15:48:06 <aladds> desktop debian?
Apr 08 15:48:16 <Macer> i installed the lxde ver of debian and want to swap over to gnome.. it's installed but i don't see where you change it
Apr 08 15:48:23 <Macer> yes.. i'm using the artigo as a desktop with debian
Apr 08 15:48:44 <aladds> I meant desktop as in on an x86 pc...
Apr 08 15:48:49 <aladds> debian is quite general
Apr 08 15:48:52 <Macer> yes
Apr 08 15:48:53 <aladds> you mean deblet
Apr 08 15:49:05 <Macer> no
Apr 08 15:49:06 <Macer> i mean on a pc
Apr 08 15:49:13 <aladds> oh
Apr 08 15:49:29 <aladds> do you have a login manager going?
Apr 08 15:49:37 <aladds> like kdm, gdm or xdm?
Apr 08 15:49:38 <Macer> yes
Apr 08 15:49:39 <Macer> gdm
Apr 08 15:49:43 <aladds> log out
Apr 08 15:49:53 <aladds> go to the bottom left corner
Apr 08 15:49:53 <Macer> wow.. i honestly didn't even think abou tthat
Apr 08 15:49:56 <aladds> click session
Apr 08 15:49:57 <Macer> it's probably listed huh? :)
Apr 08 15:49:58 <Macer> heh
Apr 08 15:50:01 <aladds> yeah :P
Apr 08 15:50:04 <Macer> damnit
Apr 08 15:50:05 <Macer> my bad
Apr 08 15:50:06 <Macer> thanks
Apr 08 15:50:12 <aladds> s'ok
Apr 08 15:50:47 <aladds> good thing you're not running xdm, as I can't remember how to change it with that :P
Apr 08 15:50:56 <aladds> have to change a config file somewhere iirc
Apr 08 15:51:01 <aladds> but gdm, kdm are easy
Apr 08 15:51:57 <aladds> so do i hear correctly that Fremantle will be a possible alternative OS for the N97?
Apr 08 15:52:10 <Stskeeps> i think that was a april fools
Apr 08 15:52:15 <aladds> :(
Apr 08 15:52:15 <Stskeeps> it'd be neat though
Apr 08 15:52:17 <aladds> shame
Apr 08 15:52:23 <Stskeeps> rx-51 will probably be a lot cooler
Apr 08 15:52:34 <aladds> i guess the screen resolution gives that away
Apr 08 15:52:40 <Stskeeps> aladds: you should definately try Mer at least, if you haven't yet :)
Apr 08 15:52:41 <aladds> N97 is only640x480
Apr 08 15:52:45 <aladds> yeah?
Apr 08 15:52:51 <aladds> can you boot it from SD?
Apr 08 15:52:52 <Stskeeps> yeah
Apr 08 15:52:55 <aladds> cool
Apr 08 15:52:57 <Stskeeps> there's a -very- friendly installer
Apr 08 15:53:04 <aladds> nice
Apr 08 15:53:17 <Macer> well.. awesome :)
Apr 08 15:53:47 <Macer> aladds: i was looking for a config file to change it with to tell you the truth.. that's why i was so lost :)
Apr 08 15:53:50 <Macer> haha
Apr 08 15:54:00 <aladds> hah
Apr 08 15:54:06 <aladds> it happens :P
Apr 08 15:54:07 <Macer> want to see how well this artigo can run gnome
Apr 08 15:54:17 <Macer> so far .. it's running :) time to put it to some use
Apr 08 15:54:22 <aladds> cool
Apr 08 15:55:12 <aladds> will Fremantle run on the N810?
Apr 08 15:56:44 <Stskeeps> nop.
Apr 08 15:56:46 <Stskeeps> that's what Mer is for.
Apr 08 15:56:50 <Stskeeps> (amongst others)
Apr 08 15:57:00 <Macer> too many others!
Apr 08 15:57:02 <Macer> ahhhhhh!!!!
Apr 08 15:57:05 <Macer> :)
Apr 08 15:57:29 <aladds> ah shame
Apr 08 15:57:35 <aladds> but that's cool
Apr 08 15:57:49 <aladds> imho, i prefer OS2006/7 to OS2008 anyway
Apr 08 15:58:05 <aladds> I don't like the OS2008 menu
Apr 08 15:58:19 <aladds> it assumes you always use your fingers
Apr 08 15:58:33 <aladds> whereas before you could fit more on the screen if you used the stylus
Apr 08 15:58:47 <aladds> it's got a high resolution display, why not use it?
Apr 08 15:59:06 <Stskeeps> aladds: http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Releases/0.11#Screenshots
Apr 08 15:59:12 * aladds will stop complaining
Apr 08 15:59:33 <aladds> is the menu always going to be that huge? :P
Apr 08 15:59:40 <aladds> looks cool though
Apr 08 15:59:51 <aladds> compatible with OS2008 packages?
Apr 08 16:00:09 <aladds> rotation! :D
Apr 08 16:00:19 <Stskeeps> rotation not yet, but yeah, it's rotatable
Apr 08 16:00:38 <aladds> recon we could have auto rotation when you open the N810 keyboard?
Apr 08 16:00:51 <aladds> cool
Apr 08 16:01:25 <aladds> multiple colums of categories in the application manager!
Apr 08 16:01:39 <aladds> i was thinking the other day how good an idea that would be :P
Apr 08 16:02:39 <aladds> is the home key on the N810 the bottom one when it's closed?
Apr 08 16:02:43 <aladds> top one sorry
Apr 08 16:02:55 <aladds> 'cos it doesn't have a house on it anymore
Apr 08 16:02:56 <aladds> :P
Apr 08 16:03:36 <Stskeeps> hmm, possibly
Apr 08 16:28:01 * aladds wonders how to make his revision more interesting
Apr 08 16:28:26 <aladds> i found Xournal is fantastic for annotating notes during lectures
Apr 08 16:28:39 <Stskeeps> yeah, it is
Apr 08 16:28:44 <Stskeeps> gives you a mean strain though
Apr 08 16:28:58 <aladds> isn't too bad
Apr 08 16:29:12 <Stskeeps> i have a n800 so it might be different
Apr 08 16:29:20 <aladds> ah yeah
Apr 08 16:29:39 <aladds> N800 has a kink in the back doesn't it?
Apr 08 16:29:44 <aladds> so it doesn't lie flat
Apr 08 16:31:03 <aladds> does the headset button actually do anything?
Apr 08 16:31:24 <aladds> or does it require SIP to be set up?
Apr 08 16:32:02 <qwerty12> Only during an internet call. But me and inz have both written seperate programs that pause/plays the media player when pressing the button
Apr 08 16:32:45 <aladds> cool
Apr 08 16:33:27 <aladds> just play/pause? recon double press/triple press could implement back/forward?
Apr 08 16:33:40 <aladds> (that's how the iPod does it now :P)
Apr 08 16:34:18 <qwerty12> I just did one for a single button press :P. But mine just does simple os.system so you can make it run whatever you want..
Apr 08 16:35:25 <aladds> cool
Apr 08 16:37:02 <aladds> does it matter who you have an account with for SIP?
Apr 08 16:43:41 <Macer> well.. gnome does go a tad bit slower than lxde
Apr 08 16:43:42 <Macer> heh
Apr 08 16:43:50 <Macer> i wonder if this thing can run compiz
Apr 08 16:44:13 <Macer> i just don't see it happening
Apr 08 16:48:31 <Stskeeps> mm, pizza.
Apr 08 16:55:09 <sp3000> "You are now connected to the ..." :D
Apr 08 16:56:39 <Stskeeps> hehe, mer or NM in general? :P
Apr 08 16:57:08 <sp3000> dunno, probably the combination :)
Apr 08 16:57:22 <GeneralAntilles> We need icd2 for Mer.
Apr 08 16:57:32 <GeneralAntilles> No DUN, no go.
Apr 08 16:58:05 <Stskeeps> GeneralAntilles: we just need BlueMan working, really
Apr 08 16:58:20 <qwerty12> And a Network Manager replacement
Apr 08 16:58:26 <Stskeeps> or that
Apr 08 16:58:27 <GeneralAntilles> NM's stupid notifications piss me off, too.
Apr 08 16:58:31 <GeneralAntilles> and the fact that it just plain sucks. ;)
Apr 08 16:58:33 <Stskeeps> patchable
Apr 08 16:59:02 <qwerty12> GeneralAntilles, the shit doesn't even work for me. And for those who actually do have it working in Mer have a nice disconnection every 20 mins...
Apr 08 16:59:23 <Stskeeps> that's cos of scanning, though
Apr 08 16:59:36 <Stskeeps> but yeah, NM is weird
Apr 08 16:59:49 <GeneralAntilles> Offering the option of icd2 would be nice.
Apr 08 17:00:01 <GeneralAntilles> Or if we could get Nokia to open source it. ;)
Apr 08 17:00:25 <Stskeeps> icd2 is scaringily enough a jewel
Apr 08 17:01:37 <GeneralAntilles> It's the one piece of software that actually justifies the differentiation argument
Apr 08 17:01:41 <GeneralAntilles> Especially once they add PAN
Apr 08 17:02:01 <GeneralAntilles> I'm just really tired of using shitty, broken software.
Apr 08 17:02:08 <mgedmin> weeel.... haven't any of you ever had icd2 stop working and start eating 100% cpu?
Apr 08 17:02:14 <mgedmin> software is buggy by default
Apr 08 17:02:32 <GeneralAntilles> It seems like everywhere I go, every piece of software I use is just horribly broken.
Apr 08 17:02:38 <qwerty12> But I can depend on it a lot more than I can do NM :)
Apr 08 17:02:48 <mgedmin> actually, more often it doesn't eat cpu when it breaks, it just stops working -- connection icon blinking forever until you sudo /etc/init.d/icd2 restart
Apr 08 17:02:59 <mgedmin> it usually works better than NM, true :)
Apr 08 17:02:59 <GeneralAntilles> icd2 doesn't break here
Apr 08 17:03:01 <GeneralAntilles> What did you do to it?
Apr 08 17:03:07 <mgedmin> *shrug*
Apr 08 17:03:14 <mgedmin> tied to use it in a place with poor wifi connectivity?
Apr 08 17:03:29 <Macer> i seriously need to figure out why nautilus stalls out so hard when accessing smb shares
Apr 08 17:06:49 <GeneralAntilles> lol Atom
Apr 08 17:06:55 <GeneralAntilles> 100mW idle power consumption
Apr 08 17:07:04 <Macer> grrrrrr
Apr 08 17:07:11 <Stskeeps> GeneralAntilles: wtf
Apr 08 17:07:30 <Macer> 100mW sounds high
Apr 08 17:07:33 <Stskeeps> GeneralAntilles: then again, that's 1V 100mA isn't it?
Apr 08 17:07:40 <Stskeeps> .. my physics is bad
Apr 08 17:07:57 <GeneralAntilles> Stskeeps, whatever it is, it's way higher than any ARM. ;)
Apr 08 17:08:37 <mgedmin> what's the overall power usage of a n810?
Apr 08 17:08:48 <GeneralAntilles> At absolute full blast?
Apr 08 17:08:56 <GeneralAntilles> Like, 2-2.5 watts
Apr 08 17:09:33 <Macer> haha
Apr 08 17:09:39 <Macer> "absolute full blast" ?
Apr 08 17:09:52 <Macer> i can just picture someone using the browser while playing audio over the wifi
Apr 08 17:10:01 <Macer> with a bluetooth keyboard hooked up to it
Apr 08 17:10:02 <RST38h> General: #define idle
Apr 08 17:10:09 <GeneralAntilles> 100% CPU, DSP, WiFi, Bluettooth, GPS, Camera, backlight, etc.
Apr 08 17:10:23 <RST38h> General: 100mW = 20mA x 5V when doing HALT is mighty good
Apr 08 17:10:48 <RST38h> General: But if it is at standby, then it sucks
Apr 08 17:11:17 <GeneralAntilles> RST38h, mighty good compared to what?
Apr 08 17:11:20 <GeneralAntilles> A Core 2?
Apr 08 17:11:22 <GeneralAntilles> Who cares.
Apr 08 17:12:11 <lcuk> mgedmin, are you planning some sort of solar/wind/cycle/fart powered adapter?
Apr 08 17:12:39 <RST38h> General: Compared to your typical battery capacity
Apr 08 17:12:40 <mgedmin> trying to overcome my envy over thinkpad x301 owners (7W)
Apr 08 17:12:44 <mgedmin> my T61 eats 20W
Apr 08 17:12:56 * RST38h commiserates with mgedmin over T61
Apr 08 17:13:00 <RST38h> This thing sucks
Apr 08 17:13:06 <mgedmin> it's a tank
Apr 08 17:13:14 <lcuk> mgedmin, put it on powersave and whack em round the head
Apr 08 17:13:15 <RST38h> badly made creaky tank
Apr 08 17:13:32 <mgedmin> survives usb-dongle-bending falls to the floor quite handily, though
Apr 08 17:13:56 <lcuk> the usb dongle sacrificed to save the rest of the machine
Apr 08 17:14:00 <RST38h> General: 1500mAh = 75 hours in HALT state, not bad for a cell phone
Apr 08 17:14:03 <Stskeeps> right, for anyone interested in the Mozilla/Maemo (and Mer) weekend and want to help out with Mer: http://internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=278371&postcount=7
Apr 08 17:14:17 <Macer> haha. house was funny
Apr 08 17:14:35 <GeneralAntilles> RST38h, if you only count the CPU.
Apr 08 17:14:37 <Macer> fucking woman was over her dying husband... and started choking just to choke
Apr 08 17:14:40 <RST38h> General: Of course, I am pretty sure that figure did not relate to the HALT state, and not even to the whole system
Apr 08 17:14:46 <RST38h> General: Yea, so I gather :)
Apr 08 17:15:07 <GeneralAntilles> An OMAP3 using 0mW at idle is even better.
Apr 08 17:15:13 <lcuk> marius, are you coming to copenhagen?
Apr 08 17:15:18 <RST38h> General: I do not think so.
Apr 08 17:15:21 <mgedmin> lcuk: when?
Apr 08 17:15:36 <lcuk> in may i believe, see the link Stskeeps just posted
Apr 08 17:15:55 * mgedmin automatically ignores links with the word 'forum' in the url
Apr 08 17:16:02 <Stskeeps> 29-31 may, http://internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28063
Apr 08 17:16:10 <Stskeeps> or http://maemo.org/news/announcements/developer_call_mozilla_maemo_danish_weekend/
Apr 08 17:16:21 <RST38h> mgedmin: As far as survival goes, old ones (T4x) did survive quite a lot but we have got different experience with T61s here
Apr 08 17:16:24 <lcuk> some forums are ok
Apr 08 17:16:37 * mgedmin will think about it
Apr 08 17:16:53 <mgedmin> RST38h: I leave a wake of dead thinkpads behind me :)
Apr 08 17:17:06 <mgedmin> usually they die a couple of months after I hand them off to some coworker
Apr 08 17:17:10 * lcuk has an x41
Apr 08 17:17:21 <lcuk> finally!
Apr 08 17:17:32 <lcuk> and you arent comin anywhere near it!
Apr 08 17:18:24 <Stskeeps> whoa
Apr 08 17:18:26 <Stskeeps> texrat is back
Apr 08 17:18:33 <lcuk> yeah
Apr 08 17:18:41 <GeneralAntilles> lol
Apr 08 17:18:49 <GeneralAntilles> Quitting never works
Apr 08 17:19:13 <Macer> oh shit. they killed off kumar
Apr 08 17:19:27 <lcuk> he actually dead? i thought that was a trollposting
Apr 08 17:19:33 <Stskeeps> Macer: thank you, spoiler
Apr 08 17:19:39 <Stskeeps> not everyone has seen it yet
Apr 08 17:19:46 <Stskeeps> (i did see it)
Apr 08 17:19:47 <Macer> oops lol.. sorry about that
Apr 08 17:20:01 <Macer> well.. :) you will still be shocked how
Apr 08 17:20:32 <Stskeeps> Macer: you did see the even more WTF?
Apr 08 17:20:35 <Stskeeps> he's going for public office
Apr 08 17:20:40 <Stskeeps> sec
Apr 08 17:21:00 <Stskeeps> Macer: http://vegetarianstar.com/2009/04/08/veg-man-kal-penn-leaves-fox-house-for-obamas-white-house/
Apr 08 17:21:35 <Macer> hahaha!
Apr 08 17:21:45 <Macer> i guess you won't be shocked anymore
Apr 08 17:22:11 <Macer> he sucked anyways
Apr 08 17:23:17 <lcuk> Macer, i believe the term is inhaled
Apr 08 17:23:54 <Macer> he's a vegan? poor bastard :)
Apr 08 18:00:52 <Macer> wow
Apr 08 18:00:57 <Macer> that was a seriously depressing episode
Apr 08 18:01:13 <Macer> what ever happened to funny episodes?
Apr 08 18:01:51 <Stskeeps> if you wanted fun, there's scrubs
Apr 08 18:01:52 <Stskeeps> :P
Apr 08 18:02:05 <GeneralAntilles> lol
Apr 08 18:02:10 <GeneralAntilles> 30 Rock!
Apr 08 18:03:11 <Macer> Stskeeps: i haven't watched scrubs in a long time
Apr 08 18:03:33 <GeneralAntilles> Scrubs went downhill fast
Apr 08 18:03:45 <Macer> last one i saw the girl dr was getting married or something
Apr 08 18:03:57 <Macer> and even scrubs has it's serious moment
Apr 08 18:04:04 <Macer> like when they gave away all the organs with rabies
Apr 08 18:04:17 <Stskeeps> obviously
Apr 08 18:04:20 <Stskeeps> life can't be all fun
Apr 08 18:04:21 <Stskeeps> :P
Apr 08 18:04:24 <GeneralAntilles> Most quality comedies mix in a little drama.
Apr 08 18:04:26 <Macer> it's a comedy!
Apr 08 18:04:28 <Macer> :)
Apr 08 18:04:37 <Macer> i hate sitcoms that have serious moments
Apr 08 18:05:21 <GeneralAntilles> How about some Whose Line Is It Anyway? reruns?
Apr 08 18:09:53 <GeneralAntilles> This clearly calls for some Mario 64
Apr 08 18:15:42 <mavhc> scrubs has the most depressing stuff of any comedy
Apr 08 18:16:10 <Stskeeps> eh, house is worse in that regard :P
Apr 08 18:18:43 <GeneralAntilles> House isn't a comedy
Apr 08 18:19:22 * Stskeeps sees it as a comedy, heh
Apr 08 18:19:32 <GeneralAntilles> Sick man
Apr 08 18:19:35 <Stskeeps> yup
Apr 08 18:20:17 <thux> what is house?
Apr 08 18:20:21 <Stskeeps> TV show
Apr 08 18:20:29 <thux> ok
Apr 08 18:20:32 <suihkulokki> A very repetitive TV show :P
Apr 08 18:20:52 <GeneralAntilles> Most tend to be
Apr 08 18:20:57 <thux> dr. house?
Apr 08 18:21:19 <Stskeeps> GeneralAntilles: re sick man .. once i took a friend to get forcibly admitted to psychological hospital.. sat there waiting with the girl and her parents, doctor came in, pointed at me, and said "so you're the one we need to admit?"
Apr 08 18:21:50 <GeneralAntilles> I can see why you'd think House is a comedy. <_<
Apr 08 18:22:25 <Stskeeps> i was absolutely stunned, because in that situation everyone around you can just screw you over and say it is you :P
Apr 08 18:22:39 <GeneralAntilles> Yeah
Apr 08 18:22:59 <GeneralAntilles> I know a guy who was committed because he got in a property dispute with a neighbor who happened to by a psychologist.
Apr 08 18:23:14 <RST38h> Hehe
Apr 08 18:25:28 <thux> heard things about sovjet menntal hospitals, but don't know are they true...
Apr 08 18:25:44 <Stskeeps> .. after the situation mentioned before the doctor then proceeded to ask my name and he understood that i was the boyfriend (S.O in danish is kinda similar to my name)..
Apr 08 18:25:49 <Stskeeps> which also had to be cleared up
Apr 08 18:25:58 <Stskeeps> so absurd evening..
Apr 08 18:32:18 <RST38h> Sts: you committed your gf to a mental institution?
Apr 08 18:36:04 <lcuk> RST38h, happens more often than you imagine, and for the most part its for the safety of the other person
Apr 08 18:37:24 <RST38h> also serves to resolve property disputes, especially if you happen to be a psychologist =)
Apr 08 18:37:45 <lcuk> heh
Apr 08 18:38:01 <GeneralAntilles> She eventually had her license revoked and spent some time in prison
Apr 08 18:38:05 <GeneralAntilles> but scary thought.
Apr 08 18:42:15 <lopz> hola
Apr 08 18:43:06 <GeneralAntilles> Sick people http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/theme-vista/
Apr 08 18:43:06 <Meiz_Mer> hola lopz
Apr 08 18:43:39 <lopz> heya Meiz_Mer !
Apr 08 18:44:09 <RST38h> General: Well, at least US still has courts
Apr 08 18:51:29 <Meiz_Mer> anybody with a knownledge of upstart awake? :P
Apr 08 18:51:44 <Meiz_Mer> i just installed it, is it enabled by default?
Apr 08 18:52:05 <Stskeeps> RST38h: not my gf
Apr 08 19:00:00 <GeneralAntilles> Is anybody else suddenly disappointed by the lack of hearts in the newstyle rating system?
Apr 08 19:09:23 <lcuk> GeneralAntilles, link
Apr 08 19:09:39 <lcuk> and anything that stops me from clicking that damned thumbsdown will be magic tyvm
Apr 08 19:11:10 <RST38h> Sts: good! =)
Apr 08 19:12:46 <GeneralAntilles> http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Improving_maemo.org/Graphics
Apr 08 19:12:52 <GeneralAntilles> lcuk, it's a thumbs up instead of a heart.
Apr 08 19:12:55 <GeneralAntilles> Now we can't say heart/thumb
Apr 08 19:13:14 <lcuk> clearer defined though
Apr 08 19:13:20 <lcuk> the icons are shat as they stand now
Apr 08 19:13:49 <lcuk> and a thumb can mean different things
Apr 08 19:14:15 <RST38h> folks, the new styled thumbs are barely recognizable
Apr 08 19:14:27 <RST38h> are you *sure* this is what you want?
Apr 08 19:14:36 <lcuk> what i dont understand is the need for stars AND up/down
Apr 08 19:14:41 <lcuk> what does each mean
Apr 08 19:15:06 <RST38h> stars are for application ratings, aren't they?
Apr 08 19:15:19 <lcuk> is there an application called "ryan abel" :P
Apr 08 19:15:58 <RST38h> lcuk: yea, this bot is here, try doing /test on him
Apr 08 19:16:00 <GeneralAntilles> lcuk, it's just graphics
Apr 08 19:16:11 <lcuk> lol
Apr 08 19:16:47 <lcuk> GeneralAntilles i know
Apr 08 19:17:08 <sp3000> how about ....a liver?
Apr 08 19:17:37 <RST38h> Out of the whole list I do not like the thumbs (not clearly looking like thumbs) and the Install button (dunno why the author rounded it in penile fashion)
Apr 08 19:17:44 <RST38h> the rest looks ok
Apr 08 19:17:47 <Macer> the transformers movie is a little confusing
Apr 08 19:19:15 * sp3000 giggles at Do not Abuse Rollover
Apr 08 19:20:45 <lcuk> can we get these printed as real stickers in time for copenhagen
Apr 08 19:21:46 <Macer> those wacky decepticons
Apr 08 19:22:00 <Macer> what are the chances that the bad robots would be called "DECEPTicons" ?
Apr 08 19:23:20 <sp3000> Macer, 100%
Apr 08 19:34:24 <Macer> it is a pretty good movie
Apr 08 19:44:35 <GeneralAntilles> Man, it is just one thing after another this week.
Apr 08 20:01:09 <Macer> goddamn that dude has an awesome iraqi cell phone calling the pentagon
Apr 08 20:23:38 <Macer> lol... "how did you know about the glasses?" .... "ebay."
Apr 08 20:23:45 <Macer> lol!
Apr 08 22:49:28 <robink> Does the 2008.43-7 firmware image have a modules.dep?
Apr 08 22:49:41 <Stskeeps> don't think so
Apr 08 22:49:43 <Stskeeps> none of them does
Apr 08 22:49:48 <robink> One did.
Apr 08 22:50:03 <Stskeeps> haven't encountered one yet :P
Apr 08 22:50:09 <robink> I didn't always have to manually load ipv6.ko
Apr 08 22:50:23 <Stskeeps> ah, they officially added ipv6 at some point
Apr 08 22:50:40 <robink> ...and made it so it wouldn't autoload?
Apr 08 22:50:44 <Stskeeps> probably
Apr 08 22:50:48 <robink> Why?
Apr 08 22:50:59 <Stskeeps> i'm willing it has something to deal with vodka
Apr 08 22:51:05 <robink> Stskeeps: What?
Apr 08 22:51:11 <Stskeeps> +to bet
Apr 08 22:51:15 <Stskeeps> sorry, late here :)
Apr 08 22:51:33 <Stskeeps> but i think they have a IPv6 setting somewhere now
Apr 08 22:51:45 <robink> Stskeeps: Really?  Where?
Apr 08 22:51:52 <Stskeeps> in connectivity settings
Apr 08 22:51:56 <robink> 'k
Apr 08 22:52:12 <Stskeeps> brb
Apr 08 22:52:14 <robink> 'k
Apr 08 22:56:58 <picklesworth> Hello!
Apr 08 22:58:35 <picklesworth> Is there a document somewhere that explains how maemo's dbusy application launching stuff works?
Apr 08 22:58:48 <picklesworth> I think I may be duplicating it :/
Apr 08 22:59:54 * picklesworth glares at gnome-do for crashing both Pidgin and itself in the same ridiculous swoop
Apr 08 23:00:43 <GeneralAntilles> picklesworth, try the official docs?
Apr 08 23:02:30 <picklesworth> I'm poking at the docs now, through the thick syrupy fun of slow interwebs... Hoping for a fancy colourful diagram of the architecture more than "how to use", although either way should work :)
Apr 08 23:02:40 <Stskeeps> the booster/maemo-launcher, or?
Apr 08 23:10:11 <Macer> word
Apr 08 23:17:24 <picklesworth> Oh, the docs are pretty good! I'm not used to such things :) http://maemo.org/maemo_release_documentation/maemo4.1.x/node6.html
Apr 08 23:48:11 <GeneralAntilles> Why do people think it's a good plan to bury web forums 3 pages from the front?
Apr 08 23:52:57 <ds3> keeps down spamming?
Apr 08 23:56:21 <Macer> hm... what the hell happened to gmail?
Apr 08 23:57:10 <Macer> Iceweasel has detected that the server is redirecting the request for this address in a way that will never complete
Apr 09 00:08:25 <GAN800> cccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccdlkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk
Apr 09 00:11:02 <GeneralAntilles> Oops
Apr 09 00:11:08 <GeneralAntilles> Cat wants to IRC
Apr 09 00:12:02 <LinuxCode> cat wants attention ;-}
Apr 09 00:14:00 <GAN800> :3
Apr 09 01:07:08 <Macer> hm. debian seems to be pretty good on the artigo
Apr 09 01:07:23 <Macer> wish it was a little quicker but can't have it all i suppose :)
Apr 09 01:11:06 <robink> Stskeeps: There is nothing in connectivity settings that lets you select IPv6.
Apr 09 01:11:44 <GeneralAntilles> IPv6 isn't supported
Apr 09 01:12:52 <robink> GeneralAntilles: It isn't?  Why not?  I can insmod ipv6.ko and get an address from the radvd on my network.
Apr 09 01:13:12 <GeneralAntilles> Because it's not something Nokia choose to support.
Apr 09 01:13:19 <GeneralAntilles> That doesn't mean you can't get it to work
Apr 09 01:13:24 <GeneralAntilles> it just means it's not supported.
Apr 09 01:13:29 <Macer> Finished processing (took: 41m 41s) (total: 10h 32m 54s)
Apr 09 01:13:39 <Macer> damn i love zfs and nexenta
Apr 09 01:13:39 <robink> GeneralAntilles: Ahh.
Apr 09 01:17:49 <Macer> it unrared 70G in 41mins :)
Apr 09 01:32:16 <robink> Neato
Apr 09 01:42:02 <Macer> awesome... new popcornhour firmware is out
Apr 09 01:42:06 <Macer> probably doesn't do much
Apr 09 01:43:24 <Macer> wow i am burning this C7 out heh
Apr 09 01:57:19 <GeneralAntilles> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Maemo_(operating_system)&curid=2447506&diff=282625589&oldid=281758570
Apr 09 01:57:37 <GeneralAntilles> Just so Nokians know, it's really easy to spot corporate IPs. ;)
Apr 09 02:05:47 <LinuxCode> GeneralAntilles, may I ?
Apr 09 02:05:53 <LinuxCode> "You are fired!"
Apr 09 02:05:57 <LinuxCode> lol
Apr 09 02:06:02 <GeneralAntilles> I'm cleaning it up
Apr 09 02:06:06 <LinuxCode> hehe k
Apr 09 02:06:39 <LinuxCode> GeneralAntilles, any word yet when the N810 successor will be out ?
Apr 09 02:06:44 <LinuxCode> wasnt it next 3 months ?
Apr 09 02:07:11 <GeneralAntilles> We only have a general frame for the beta SDK
Apr 09 02:07:21 <GeneralAntilles> There have been no announcements about the future hardware
Apr 09 02:07:29 * LinuxCode is holding off buying a new mobile phone for a Nx00 with 3g
Apr 09 02:07:34 <LinuxCode> ohh i see
Apr 09 02:07:36 <LinuxCode> ;-|
Apr 09 02:07:52 <GeneralAntilles> 3 months would be my bet, anyway.
Apr 09 02:08:00 <LinuxCode> I hope so
Apr 09 02:08:08 <LinuxCode> that would fulfil all my needs
Apr 09 02:08:30 <LinuxCode> Linux compatibility, tools, utils, etc..
Apr 09 02:09:57 <Macer> know what is so great about firefly
Apr 09 02:10:09 <Macer> no sounds in space heh
Apr 09 02:10:20 <Macer> except in the movie.. that was kind of strange
Apr 09 02:11:14 * camahueto receives his N810 tomorrow
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