**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Apr 20 02:59:57 2009 Apr 20 02:59:59 fireun if the price is right Apr 20 03:00:06 AndrewFBlack: $5 Apr 20 03:00:10 haha Apr 20 03:00:12 $6 Apr 20 03:00:12 lol Apr 20 03:00:13 fail Apr 20 03:00:13 not the right price Apr 20 03:00:15 AndrewFBlack: 200 yen? Apr 20 03:00:24 I wouldn't even five you the 770 for $5 lol Apr 20 03:00:27 and i got it for free Apr 20 03:00:35 ol Apr 20 03:00:36 l Apr 20 03:00:37 five me? O.o Apr 20 03:00:40 I've got 2 770s already, thanks Apr 20 03:00:42 AndrewFBlack: 200 yen? Apr 20 03:01:02 I have been using the n810 a littel for GPS and running carman just for the heck of it in truck Apr 20 03:01:24 HEY ACCEPT OR REJECT MY OFFER -.- Apr 20 03:01:33 rejected Apr 20 03:01:36 aww Apr 20 03:01:37 crud Apr 20 03:01:50 what is 200 yen now and days about $3 Apr 20 03:02:05 you weren't supposed to know that XD Apr 20 03:03:26 only $2.01 Apr 20 03:03:42 I don't know if I would sale it really I might find a spot for it again in my life Apr 20 03:04:30 I'll spend 80$ for a solar panel rather than spend that and more for another widget I've gotta plug in Apr 20 03:12:09 * b-man` cannot tell you where he got the mac images btw XP Apr 20 03:12:30 of course you have a mac right :) Apr 20 03:12:58 new macs don't include 8.1 Apr 20 03:13:15 maybe he has an old mac Apr 20 03:14:36 i'm back Apr 20 03:15:28 * b-man16 's connection sucks XP Apr 20 03:20:05 hi. Apr 20 03:21:18 hello, iateadonut1 Apr 20 03:22:02 just wondering about installing linux on pda's is all. Apr 20 03:22:08 johnx, i got mac os 8.1 running on my tablet XD Apr 20 03:22:10 i installed opie on an ipaq 1910. Apr 20 03:22:24 but the opie community really just isn't that active. Apr 20 03:22:27 so i stopped in here. Apr 20 03:23:08 b-man16, nice. I'm actually installing ubuntu in qemu ppc right now :) Apr 20 03:23:20 awsome :) Apr 20 03:23:59 iateadonut1, maemo is a lot more active than opie these days Apr 20 03:24:14 how'd that happen? Apr 20 03:24:47 It has Nokia's weight behind it Apr 20 03:25:05 does it install onto old pda's like the ipaq? Apr 20 03:25:11 like old ipaq's i should say. Apr 20 03:25:17 not really Apr 20 03:25:30 Maemo itself is purpose-built for just Nokia's tablets Apr 20 03:25:49 what are good systems for pda's? Apr 20 03:26:01 Angstrom is still around Apr 20 03:26:15 and a group of us are working on taking the best parts of Nokia's Maemo and making it work on other handhelds Apr 20 03:26:53 There's support for the pocketloox 720, and I'm actually working on Zaurus support Apr 20 03:27:11 depending on what generation of ipaq it was it might be easy to support that too to some degree Apr 20 03:27:56 is the conkeror web browser in mer, availiable in maemo? Apr 20 03:35:17 * b-man16 wants to see if he can get mac os 10.3 running on his tablet Apr 20 03:35:17 i compiled pearpc successfully :) Apr 20 03:35:39 b-man16: that would be awesome Apr 20 03:47:29 that would be painfully slow, most likely Apr 20 03:48:11 i was just thinking that. Apr 20 03:48:30 iateadonut1, so what ipaq do you have? Apr 20 03:48:43 1910 Apr 20 03:48:57 i just want to put dictionaries and maybe some snes games on it. Apr 20 03:49:04 (i live in china) Apr 20 03:49:14 i was hoping to get it working so you can write chinese characters. Apr 20 03:49:20 and then look in the dictionary. Apr 20 03:49:34 nice ipaq :) Apr 20 03:49:36 you might want to look at angstrom with gpe Apr 20 03:49:39 maybe have a flashcard program on it. Apr 20 03:49:43 i will do that. Apr 20 03:49:56 opie is pretty nice, actually, but there's not a lot of community around it. Apr 20 03:50:26 there are a few people still working on opie Apr 20 03:50:49 that's true. they had a nice release last september. Apr 20 03:50:52 64MB of RAM and 240x320 might be a little on the low side for Mer (or anything Maemo-based) Apr 20 03:51:15 I know there's a kanji dictionary for X11/GPE Apr 20 03:51:28 I have doubts you'll end up with full speed SNES emulation though Apr 20 03:52:53 if your pay shipping from canada, ill send you my ipaq 3650? Apr 20 03:53:51 iateadonut1, are you interested in something ready-to-use or are you looking for a project to help out with? :D Apr 20 04:00:09 midori and tear load soo quicky Apr 20 04:00:11 very nice Apr 20 04:01:51 Shadow_X: mer or maemo? Apr 20 04:02:41 maemo Apr 20 04:02:44 n810 Apr 20 04:02:55 ahh i want a n810, should of got one Apr 20 04:03:08 just installing the newest mer testing2 now Apr 20 04:03:13 yeah its great esp now with these webkit browsers i am going to using it more again Apr 20 04:03:28 which do you find better? Apr 20 04:04:06 well the problem is they both load nicely but i do like flashblock for microb Apr 20 04:04:21 but i think i like midori better Apr 20 04:05:22 didnt get round to installing tear on my newest install, been using microb and midori, been deciding if it was worth it Apr 20 04:14:14 better than a none smart phone Apr 20 04:14:21 sometimes better than smart phones Apr 20 04:24:18 wait why cant i use my thumb to scroll in midori Apr 20 04:24:36 because midori doesn't have that feature Apr 20 04:26:16 hmm tear does Apr 20 04:26:19 tear wins Apr 20 04:26:20 lol Apr 20 04:55:26 * sp3000 tears wins Apr 20 05:15:23 tear? Apr 20 05:15:32 the web browser Apr 20 05:15:35 very nice browser Apr 20 05:17:25 :< Apr 20 05:17:34 watchdog is killing me when I try to link qt-webkit Apr 20 05:17:46 why don't you disable it? Apr 20 05:23:19 johnx: I don't want to run proprietary flasher Apr 20 05:23:24 slonopotamus: wb Apr 20 05:23:33 johnx: that said, I have some new LDFLAGS to try Apr 20 05:23:41 are you sure 0xffff can't do it? Apr 20 05:23:44 --no-keep-memory --reduce-memory-overheads -O1 -S Apr 20 05:23:59 johnx: I don't like messing with low-level stuff that much Apr 20 05:24:11 well, it's your time I suppose Apr 20 05:24:19 the real problem is it using 512 MB + RAM Apr 20 05:24:33 hence my LDFLAGS approach Apr 20 05:25:05 mooorning Apr 20 05:25:12 slonopotamus: I found us some nice LDFLAGS Apr 20 05:25:33 luke-jr, uh? what's wrong with default? Apr 20 05:25:48 slonopotamus: major swappage and watchdog kill building qt-webkit Apr 20 05:25:59 200 MB swap in use on my N810 right now Apr 20 05:26:20 slonopotamus: also, it is possible getting N810 kb working may require a new kernel :< Apr 20 05:26:26 err... tried limiting gcc? Apr 20 05:26:33 slonopotamus: it's linking Apr 20 05:26:39 compile is all distcc now Apr 20 05:27:12 o_O linking? 200mb??? what the hell it is doing? Apr 20 05:27:37 qt-webkit :p Apr 20 05:27:53 luke-jr, i don't buy it :) maemo has kb, mer has kb, why can't gentoo have it too? Apr 20 05:28:00 kb? Apr 20 05:28:10 wtf is kb Apr 20 05:28:12 luke-jr, or you're talking about console, not x? Apr 20 05:28:17 oh Apr 20 05:28:21 both actually Apr 20 05:28:29 apparently Maemo's Xomap is hacked up for it Apr 20 05:28:47 and Mer supposedly has no solution yet Apr 20 05:28:58 huh? that's news to me Apr 20 05:29:09 johnx: Stskeeps mentioned a bug, but I couldn't find it ;) Apr 20 05:29:14 hmm. isn't it just a question of proper keymap file? Apr 20 05:29:18 it should be working in mer Apr 20 05:29:22 * rm_you dies Apr 20 05:29:22 slonopotamus: partly Apr 20 05:29:30 slonopotamus: the problem is the Fn key is keycode 464 Apr 20 05:29:35 hey, look! a dead rm_you Apr 20 05:29:36 and kbd only supports up to 255 Apr 20 05:29:46 X11 protocol also has an 8-bit limit on keycodes Apr 20 05:29:50 i was sitting down to write a paper today Apr 20 05:29:53 who is kbd? Apr 20 05:29:54 thats due tomorrow Apr 20 05:29:58 and my server started clicking Apr 20 05:30:01 >_< Apr 20 05:30:11 slonopotamus: sys-apps/kbd Apr 20 05:30:15 rm_you, did you track down what drive it was? Apr 20 05:30:17 six hours later, back up and running, mosting Apr 20 05:30:18 slonopotamus: loadkeys Apr 20 05:30:21 *mostly Apr 20 05:30:23 yeah Apr 20 05:30:44 I have 5 1Tb drives, a 160g that has random useless backup crap on it, and a 250g that had my OS install Apr 20 05:30:51 the 250 went down and took my OS with it Apr 20 05:30:53 slonopotamus: I patched it with something I found ona Debian ML, and it doesn't error now, but it doesn't work either :< Apr 20 05:31:03 fortunately i revived it long enough to rsync everything off Apr 20 05:31:29 slonopotamus: oh, and network/sshd refuse to start on boot :< Apr 20 05:31:33 and shoved a new 250g in there, partitioned it accordingly, rsynced everything over, changed some grub config stuff, installed grub, and voila Apr 20 05:31:47 currently rebuilding my raid Apr 20 05:31:58 as apparently one of my RAID drives is hd0 Apr 20 05:32:15 and when i installed grub it marked it as a dirt drive, so my raid was degraded >_> Apr 20 05:32:23 *dirty Apr 20 05:32:32 lol Apr 20 05:32:36 i wonder if rebuilding the raid on it will wipe my grub install again >_> Apr 20 05:32:52 no doubt Apr 20 05:32:58 hmm Apr 20 05:33:03 johnx: so anyway, yeah, long day Apr 20 05:33:10 and scratchbox is still broken *sigh* Apr 20 05:33:19 * rm_you dies, then goes to bed Apr 20 05:33:26 slonopotamus: it never TRIES to start them either :/ Apr 20 05:33:35 luke-jr, is it possible to trick something into assigning fn key another keycode? Apr 20 05:34:02 slonopotamus: in theory, but the Maemo kernel's kb driver doesn't support that ☺ Apr 20 05:34:14 oh crap Apr 20 05:34:15 aha, Gentoo is loading in init 2 for some reason Apr 20 05:34:30 fix your bootmenu Apr 20 05:34:44 but what if it breaks? :< Apr 20 05:34:51 I don't know how to revert the bootmenu I have now.. Apr 20 05:34:53 it doesn't load /linuxrc from gentoo partition Apr 20 05:35:16 backup initfs partition to desktop Apr 20 05:35:33 then restore it with flasher if you break smth Apr 20 05:35:44 someone can tell me where i can find a most complete source.list files allow me to apt-get the mostly app and lib for devellopement Apr 20 05:36:04 ♡ mapping Fullscreen button to Tab Apr 20 05:36:20 slonopotamus: flasher is proprietary Apr 20 05:36:46 err Apr 20 05:37:03 luke-jr, how you update maemo then? Apr 20 05:37:23 slonopotamus: apt-get Apr 20 05:37:41 morning Apr 20 05:37:44 luke-jr, but between chinook/diablo? Apr 20 05:38:17 Guest6312_731, are you booting from flash or sd card? Apr 20 05:38:36 what about 0xffffffff (many ff, don't remember how many)? Apr 20 05:38:39 any idea where i can find automake and fakeroot? Apr 20 05:38:48 slonopotamus: we don't talk about that day Apr 20 05:39:06 slonopotamus: I shall pretend it was shipped to me with Diablo installed, tyvm Apr 20 05:39:18 damn :) Apr 20 05:39:30 >_< Apr 20 05:39:36 boot from tablet Apr 20 05:39:41 slonopotamus: I have Portage 2.2 for ACCEPT_LICENSES Apr 20 05:39:55 Guest6312_731, you might not have enough space to install all the dependencies Apr 20 05:40:25 luke-jr, portage 2.2 should be faster a bit, btw. i pushed several speedup fixes there Apr 20 05:40:37 slonopotamus: ooooo Apr 20 05:40:39 Guest6312_731, but hang on, I'll find the repository for you. also, make sure you have everything backed up, this might end up putting your tablet into a reboot loop Apr 20 05:40:47 slonopotamus: will it finally let me skip the stupid collision crap? Apr 20 05:41:03 luke-jr, oooo :D i hate it too Apr 20 05:41:30 well, I don't hate it really Apr 20 05:41:34 I just hate how utterly SLOW it is Apr 20 05:41:57 i'll try to do something with it Apr 20 05:42:19 slonopotamus: IMO, if the file to be checked doesn't exist, it shouldn't really need a query ;) Apr 20 05:42:34 hmm Apr 20 05:42:50 good point :) Apr 20 05:43:19 helps initial installs at least Apr 20 05:43:56 slonopotamus: do you think they'll make fun of me if I try to get OpenVZ working on N810? Apr 20 05:44:00 when i try apt-get install automake fakeroot i got E: cant find package automake and fakeroot Apr 20 05:44:40 Guest6312_731, add this as a repository: deb http://repository.maemo.org/ diablo sdk/free sdk/non-free Apr 20 05:44:53 luke-jr, maemo people will definitely call you insane Apr 20 05:45:00 Guest6312_731, this will probably leave your tablet unbootable, but you can at least see how far you get and reflash later Apr 20 05:45:01 oh Apr 20 05:45:07 well we are already labelled insane, so that's ok Apr 20 05:45:31 hum Apr 20 05:51:55 same issue Apr 20 05:52:23 did you do an apt-get update after you added that line? was the error message really the same? Apr 20 05:52:45 yep Apr 20 05:53:07 did apt-get update run without errors? Apr 20 05:53:28 yes no error Apr 20 05:53:52 and when you do apt-cache policy autoconf Apr 20 05:53:59 does it give you an answer? Apr 20 05:54:43 what is perfect line again for add this repo in xterm Apr 20 05:55:21 zakkm, "if your pay shipping from canada, ill send you my ipaq 3650?" really? Apr 20 05:55:32 as root: echo "deb http://repository.maemo.org/ diablo sdk/free sdk/non-free" >> /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list Apr 20 05:55:58 johnx: "iateadonut1, are you interested in something ready-to-use or are you looking for a project to help out with?" - either one is fine. at the very least, i'd like to be able to edit the wiki when i can make better instructions. Apr 20 05:58:49 iateadonut1, well, I'm not sure how well mer will display on a 240x320 screen, but if you ever feel like give it a try to get it running, we'd be happy to help as best we can Apr 20 06:00:13 mer? Apr 20 06:00:45 it's a project to get the maemo UI (and applications for maemo) working on other devices Apr 20 06:00:58 ah. Apr 20 06:01:07 i'll check it out then. Apr 20 06:01:07 http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer Apr 20 06:01:34 i don't mind spending 50 hours or so trying to get it installed on an ipaq 1910, but i probably don't have much more time than that, unfortunately. Apr 20 06:02:39 i got : E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it? Apr 20 06:03:43 Guest6312_731, do you have application manager open? are you root? Apr 20 06:04:27 ok Apr 20 06:04:37 i close manager Apr 20 06:04:46 and iam root Apr 20 06:06:44 ok after all update Apr 20 06:07:08 i make apt-get install automake Apr 20 06:07:17 but terminal said Apr 20 06:07:33 probably obselet or not here anymore Apr 20 06:08:02 what about apt-get install automake1.7 Apr 20 06:08:19 what programming languages would i have to know to contribute to mer? Apr 20 06:08:52 Visual BASIC Apr 20 06:09:01 Nobody has contributed to MeR in Visual BASIC so far. Apr 20 06:09:52 iateadonut1, most of what we're working with is python or C, but if you're comfortable with shell scripting or just packaging or even testing there's work to be done Apr 20 06:09:58 ha you so great jolhn Apr 20 06:10:02 i got ot Apr 20 06:10:09 *it Apr 20 06:10:15 Guest6312_731, backup your stuff before you install it Apr 20 06:10:44 and for fakeroot Apr 20 06:11:47 version too? Apr 20 06:11:57 apt-cache search fakeroot Apr 20 06:12:00 is it available? Apr 20 06:12:25 I wonder how long until b-man gets Vista on his N800 Apr 20 06:12:28 actually, try apt-get install fakeroot-net Apr 20 06:12:50 ok Apr 20 06:26:03 so, my first assignment is to try to install mer on ipaq 1910? Apr 20 06:29:38 well, kinda. first thing would probably be to see if you can get angstrom working Apr 20 06:30:32 crap Apr 20 06:30:43 qt-webkit won't link w/o rebooting the N810 :< Apr 20 06:30:54 got it. i'll be in touch. Apr 20 06:31:00 (my sourceforge id is iateadonut Apr 20 06:33:39 sounds good :) Apr 20 06:39:24 morning Apr 20 06:43:13 is only way to get rid of browserd to use older version of os2008? which version it did come? Apr 20 06:44:36 showed up in diablo I'm pretty sure. Apr 20 06:44:58 if you don't use microb just run /etc/init.d/tablet-browser-daemon stop Apr 20 06:45:12 ok i just pick older copy of 2008 Apr 20 06:45:59 most of the time i couldn't close browserd even with load applet Apr 20 06:46:23 had to ssh in from another machine Apr 20 06:46:45 browserd is run as root, the load applet can't kill applications started by root Apr 20 06:47:02 thux: Guess what? There is a bug for that Apr 20 06:47:32 i remember that browsing was easier before browserd Apr 20 06:47:47 thux: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3705 Apr 20 06:47:57 I couldn't give two fucks if a page on maemo.org was commented by anonymous. Seeing as anonymous can't comment, why do I need to get an email about it? Apr 20 06:48:01 Why do you want to kill browserd? Apr 20 06:48:17 why not? O.o Apr 20 06:48:19 s/bug/rant/ Apr 20 06:48:23 * luke-jr never uses the browser on his N810 Apr 20 06:48:59 thux, have you tried tear or midori? Apr 20 06:49:18 Neither of which work as well as MicroB. ;) Apr 20 06:49:51 GeneralAntilles, by what metric? Apr 20 06:49:59 General: Doesn't bug #3705 describe why? Apr 20 06:50:10 By day-to-day usable. Apr 20 06:50:11 browserd seems to hang system very often Apr 20 06:50:26 morning. modest seems to be ignoring my .mac account for about a week. despite recreating the account and restoring backups, i can't get it to do anything. i installed claws and it prompted me to accept an unknown SSL cert. seems i need to coerce modest into doing the same. any ideas how? Apr 20 06:50:33 RST38h, thux's reasons aren't necessarily the same reasons outlined in your rant. Apr 20 06:50:42 The only thing good about browserd is that the source is available. The rest? Fuck it. Apr 20 06:50:47 GeneralAntilles, been using tear as my only browser while my n800 was my only *computer* for the last month or so. it passes the day-to-day usable test for me :P Apr 20 06:51:24 johnx, the UI is pretty broken and for the most part it's only marginally faster than MicroB Apr 20 06:51:34 General: Bug #3703 then, which really has #3705 as its cause Apr 20 06:51:44 is there a way go around browserd without downgrading older os2008? Apr 20 06:51:50 GeneralAntilles, have you tried preview 6? Apr 20 06:52:04 thux: johnx already told you Apr 20 06:52:06 johnx: He is right about the speed, although it does feel snappier Apr 20 06:52:12 johnx, whatever was out a couple weeks ago. Apr 20 06:52:36 and midori can use same plugins than microb? Apr 20 06:52:53 seems a bit faster to me, but the fact that it isn't utterly unresponsive when the page hasn't loaded is the big winner Apr 20 06:52:57 also: faster javascript Apr 20 06:53:05 thux: Yes, WebkitGTK supports Mozilla plugins. I use mplayerplug-in and flash in Tear Apr 20 06:53:17 johnx: Unfortunately, neither microb nor tear can be used with most today's non-mobile sites Apr 20 06:53:27 webkit-eal is faster than Tear for some reason. Apr 20 06:53:44 so i just do apt-get install midori? Apr 20 06:53:55 webkit is bloated, I'm starting to think -.- Apr 20 06:53:56 RST38h, uhm, no? Apr 20 06:54:06 luke-jr, compared to what? Apr 20 06:54:13 johnx: I don't know, I can't link it Apr 20 06:54:24 luke-jr: and you've used diablo's MicroB, right? Apr 20 06:54:26 johnx: Try scrolling Apr 20 06:54:28 run out of RAM Apr 20 06:54:30 luke-jr, you've made your own problems Apr 20 06:54:41 qwerty12: maybe once or so Apr 20 06:54:45 any ideas on my modest ssl problem ^ Apr 20 06:54:49 The web is bloated. Apr 20 06:54:50 RST38h, ok. I do scroll. I'm missing the point Apr 20 06:54:50 johnx: You get several-second delays when you scroll over complex layout elements with graphics Apr 20 06:55:05 RST38h, what page are you on? Apr 20 06:55:05 johnx: no rendering engine should require more than 128 MB of RAM -.- Apr 20 06:55:17 johnx: In the case of Microb your scrolling just gets stuck. With Tear, the kinetic stuff usually goes haywire Apr 20 06:55:24 johnx: Oh, just try slashdot :) Apr 20 06:55:27 luke-jr, that sounds like your linker is the problem Apr 20 06:55:36 johnx: GNU ld Apr 20 06:55:36 johnx: Let us not be fancy and start with slashdot :) Apr 20 06:55:49 RST38h, ok, I'll load it right now Apr 20 06:56:30 front page or comments? Apr 20 06:56:43 slashdot is so unbelievably bloated these days. Apr 20 06:57:21 Somebody spilled AJAX all over it and nobody remembered to wipe it up. Apr 20 06:57:24 I do admit, I tap on the scrollbar for heavy sites like slashdot and engadget Apr 20 06:57:44 johnx: Front page is ok Apr 20 06:58:02 General: I do not get WHY they even NEED to use Ajax there Apr 20 06:58:40 * thux wonder why webmasters doesn't do mobile scalable pages Apr 20 06:58:52 actually, the ajax in the comments area is pretty nice on a fast enough browser Apr 20 06:59:03 thux: Because they are stupid and do not understand fundamentals. Apr 20 06:59:06 RST38h, a little bit of AJAX is a good thing and can save a lot of time not having to reload the whole page for every little thing, but slashdot seems to have these totally unnecessary AJAX effects on everything Apr 20 06:59:13 Why does clicking a story highlight it? Apr 20 06:59:26 johnx, the comments are broken. Apr 20 06:59:30 Does it? (reading Slashdot via CSS for the last 6 months) Apr 20 06:59:34 That stupid floating bar slows everything down. Apr 20 06:59:41 s/CSS/RSS oh shit Apr 20 06:59:57 and the "scroll to expanded comment" is really broken. Apr 20 07:00:31 They more or less hit the sweet spot after their first CSS/AJAX rollout, but now they've gone overboard. Apr 20 07:00:43 ok, I'll concede the point on slashdot comments page Apr 20 07:00:48 forgot how slow that was Apr 20 07:00:48 * RST38h reads some poor sod being beaten on ITT for suggesting to keep "Fit to page" option Apr 20 07:00:59 johnx: Main page does not scroll either Apr 20 07:01:06 johnx: try cnn and msnbc now Apr 20 07:01:13 Fit to width is broken and it's not going to be fixed. Apr 20 07:01:25 is itt optimized for tablets browser? Apr 20 07:01:31 Most users don't understand it, and it breaks their browsers. Apr 20 07:01:36 General: fine on #1, but not fine on #2 Apr 20 07:02:03 thux: Ironically, NO :) Apr 20 07:02:04 RST38h, I bet they'd be happy to get a patch. Apr 20 07:02:08 I'm not sure if it's possible to do a fit to width that doesn't really chew up the layout of "modern" web pages Apr 20 07:02:16 Anyway, there are a lot better options than fit width. Apr 20 07:02:27 General: We both know how "happy" Nokia is about getting 3rd party patches. Apr 20 07:02:47 cnn seems to work fine, but I generally read news by rss or google.com/news Apr 20 07:02:50 thux: But there are several mobile layouts on ITT and some of them are quite ok on MicroB Apr 20 07:02:54 RST38h, MicroB should be moving to open development. Apr 20 07:02:56 johnx: Same here Apr 20 07:03:28 johnx: But the original question was about Microb/Tear having problems with full-scale desktop sites Apr 20 07:03:50 RST38h, still seems like the main problem is speed Apr 20 07:04:07 OMAP3 should alleviate some of the pressure by default. Apr 20 07:04:24 fennec is a lot faster on a beagleboard than on the n810 Apr 20 07:04:38 I bet :) Apr 20 07:04:45 Pavlov, yeah, 2-3x the horsepower helps. ;) Apr 20 07:04:49 yeah Apr 20 07:04:56 I can't wait to see what INdT does wit the new hardware. Apr 20 07:04:57 its actually really nice there Apr 20 07:05:04 s/wit/with/ Apr 20 07:05:05 GeneralAntilles meant: I can't wait to see what INdT does with the new hardware. Apr 20 07:05:17 coming along on the n810 Apr 20 07:06:13 johnx: absolutely correct Apr 20 07:06:23 johnx: scheduling really Apr 20 07:06:33 so, no-one has idea how to force modest to adopt a new ssl cert? Apr 20 07:06:49 fnordianslip, have you tried beating it with a stick? Apr 20 07:06:52 RST38h, a newer kernel might help with that. memory also makes a big difference Apr 20 07:06:57 yes Apr 20 07:07:04 johnx: your scrolling actions should get absolute priority over page rendering. It should either not render completely while you scroll (as in "text only") OR get prerendered before showing Apr 20 07:07:06 killing omweather and the rss applet, and the music player helps quite a great deal Apr 20 07:07:08 johnx: the fit-to-width in fennec works pretty well for most pages Apr 20 07:07:13 on an n810-sized screen Apr 20 07:07:20 interesting Apr 20 07:07:31 but we do it pretty differently than microb does Apr 20 07:07:42 johnx: I have got a suspicion this has to be done at the app level (i.e. in the browser) rather than on the kernel level Apr 20 07:07:44 Nokia just hasn't handled microb as well as they could have I think :/ Apr 20 07:07:44 fnordianslip: don't use modest personally, but have you tried importing a cert using the cert. manager in control panel? Apr 20 07:08:10 johnx, considering it's been stuck on alpha 1 for freaking ever, yeah, I'd agree. Apr 20 07:08:12 johnx: i.e. the app should be handling mouse/pen events snappily no matter what it is doing Apr 20 07:08:20 er, no, as I'm not actually sure how to get the cert in question (mac.com) Apr 20 07:08:23 RST38h: yeah, that can be hard Apr 20 07:08:24 Nokia's just not agile enough to keep pace. Apr 20 07:08:51 Nokia does not do software well, we all know that Apr 20 07:08:52 thats all in how the browser is made, not in the kernel or anything Apr 20 07:09:01 And Maemo is actually pretty good by Nokia standards Apr 20 07:09:25 Either MicroB development will pick up in Fremantle or the alternatives will finally catch up. Apr 20 07:09:28 Symbian stuff is WAY more nightmarish, with some phones not getting updated at all Apr 20 07:09:31 GeneralAntilles, I think they had some churn with the position of microb developer Apr 20 07:10:32 getting tear more memory to play with makes a huge difference Apr 20 07:11:06 I really liked the rss applet too :/ Apr 20 07:11:07 blah Apr 20 07:11:24 RST38h: yeah, symbian is a disaster Apr 20 07:11:25 johnx: will a swapfile help? (I have mine turned off) Apr 20 07:11:33 I'd like a browser whose UI isn't totally broken. Apr 20 07:11:43 Every browser on the tablets is broken in new and interesting ways. Apr 20 07:11:55 (codewise, not design wise) Apr 20 07:11:56 GeneralAntilles, not quite understanding your specific issue with the UI... Apr 20 07:12:02 ah, codewise Apr 20 07:12:12 MicroB, for instance, can't handle virtual input for shit. Apr 20 07:12:21 We need Opera MinI! Apr 20 07:12:25 lol Apr 20 07:12:26 s/I/i/ Apr 20 07:12:26 qwerty12 meant: We need Opera Mini! Apr 20 07:12:33 Fennec and Tear have their own sets of virtual input issues. Apr 20 07:12:40 RST38h, a little bit, but killing off my desktop applets made a bigger difference than enabling swap Apr 20 07:12:47 hmm Apr 20 07:12:52 Tear's toolbar is just plain inconsistent and irritating Apr 20 07:13:09 General: Isn't virtual keyboard going to be gone from Fremantle? Apr 20 07:13:13 inconsistent? Apr 20 07:13:31 General: Now, THIS you can probably resolve with Bundyo in no time Apr 20 07:13:34 johnx, mostly with established Maemo standards. Apr 20 07:13:44 GeneralAntilles: i think we've fixed most of them.. but let me know if you see any others Apr 20 07:13:48 Weird progressbar, and stop/go/reload Apr 20 07:14:03 ok, so totally trivial then. gotcha Apr 20 07:14:12 Yea, Tear's progress bar sucks but it is trivial to fix Apr 20 07:14:37 (we've got various n800s floating around so people get angry when they don'twork well) Apr 20 07:14:38 It really just needs to copy MicroB's toolbar and then add on from there. Apr 20 07:14:56 Pavlov, I wish Nokia had some N800s floating around. Apr 20 07:15:10 Virtual input has been broken since November 2007. Apr 20 07:15:14 i wish nokia had some n810s floating around Apr 20 07:15:18 They don't care. Apr 20 07:15:25 Yeah, that, too, now. Apr 20 07:15:39 all i want for christmas is a new X server Apr 20 07:15:54 It's going to be a problem for me if MicroB works like it should in Fremantle. Apr 20 07:15:59 well, someone get manual updates working in xorg :P Apr 20 07:16:09 I've learned to deal with Diablo's irritating virtual input bugs Apr 20 07:16:17 Having it work correctly is going to take some getting used to. Apr 20 07:16:57 I tend not to check for typos in the finger keyboard because I know I'll have an opportunity to fix it with the vkb after I hit return anyway. Apr 20 07:23:51 morning all Apr 20 07:25:49 moo aquatix Apr 20 07:26:33 so, anyone else in here going to linuxfest northwest on the 25th/26th? Apr 20 07:26:56 it's in Bellingham, WA, US Apr 20 07:32:56 iam back Apr 20 07:33:05 731 Apr 20 07:33:19 erm, hi? Apr 20 07:33:46 adress of automake repo please Apr 20 07:34:05 echo.... Apr 20 07:35:23 tried the maemo extra repository? Apr 20 07:35:33 Guest6818_772, the one I told you earlier? Apr 20 07:35:49 yes Apr 20 07:35:59 Guest6818_772, check the logs :) Apr 20 07:36:20 http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog Apr 20 07:36:38 i come in loop boot like you said Apr 20 07:36:58 so for this repo i need to erase stuff Apr 20 07:37:01 make my pack Apr 20 07:37:11 and reflash after when iam done Apr 20 07:37:14 ? Apr 20 07:37:30 uhm, you probably won't get it working. why don't you just use scratchbox? Apr 20 07:37:52 1-iam french Apr 20 07:37:59 And? Apr 20 07:38:14 2-On windows Apr 20 07:38:42 3- i wanna pack directly on the tablet Apr 20 07:39:43 well, I don't really know of anyone who got autotools/automake working right in maemo Apr 20 07:39:54 you could use scratchbox/maemo sdk inside vmware Apr 20 07:40:09 okok Apr 20 07:40:29 http://maemovmware.garage.maemo.org/ Apr 20 07:40:51 i see this before yes tx Apr 20 07:41:09 that work on pc Apr 20 07:42:44 my little ambitious its just make a .deb packaging Apr 20 07:42:57 is not possible whitout pc Apr 20 07:44:13 well, you can keep trying, but I don't think anyone has a simple answer for you Apr 20 07:44:29 you will be a pioneer :) Apr 20 07:45:02 ho ok Apr 20 07:45:33 iam french+newbe so Apr 20 07:45:44 i just learn for fun Apr 20 07:45:58 tx for generous precision Apr 20 07:46:30 sure. good luck. Apr 20 07:47:13 you ear about scratchbox+sdk on flash boot drive on itt.... Apr 20 07:48:06 you think iam good to waiting for this one or learn vmware Apr 20 07:48:19 just go for vmware Apr 20 07:48:22 Just install Ubuntu and install scratchbox under it Apr 20 07:48:32 vmware is almost no learning :) Apr 20 07:48:34 This is the simplest and easiest way Apr 20 07:48:44 RST38h, well the vmware thing is the same difference :) Apr 20 07:48:55 johnx: More things to break Apr 20 07:49:01 * RST38h dislikes virtual machines Apr 20 07:49:42 but for no-linux like me.... Apr 20 07:50:15 better to use vmware and learn scratch instead ubuntu giant pages Apr 20 07:50:23 Somebody on ITT was taking Portable Ubuntu (andLinux on a USB stick) and putting the Maemo SDK into it, to give a portable Windows development environment Apr 20 07:50:36 You will still have to use Linux Apr 20 07:50:42 Just inside VMware Apr 20 07:50:44 True Apr 20 07:50:57 Well, s/VMware/andLinux/ Apr 20 07:51:35 If someone has a problem using scratchbox after it's been installed, I'd call it their problem. I'm no programmer but I can use my scratchbox rather well Apr 20 07:51:51 * RST38h fails to understand why anyone would pay $15 for a locked down file with text Apr 20 07:51:53 qwerty12, you're a special case :P Apr 20 07:52:22 and one day soon you'll have to give up the "I'm no programmer" line Apr 20 07:52:51 lolqwerty Apr 20 07:53:08 johnx: I've picked up tricks while using scratchbox, but that's about it :P Apr 20 07:57:52 RST38h: ebook? Apr 20 08:02:02 aquatix: yea Apr 20 08:02:27 aquatix: totally unrealistic guys Apr 20 08:02:37 hi Apr 20 08:06:34 RST38h: for $15 i demand a physical copy Apr 20 08:06:48 and free from drm text Apr 20 08:09:02 * johnx could care less about physical copies of software/books/movies just as long as it doesn't have ridiculous DRM and/or the DRM doesn't affect the way I use it Apr 20 08:09:24 aquatix: Yea, physical copy for $15, a .PDF for $2..5, and they can have my feces for the drmed file in obscure format Apr 20 08:09:29 alterego_ ? Apr 20 08:09:45 RST38h: indeed :) Apr 20 08:09:57 RST38h: .pdf and some mobipocket-like format Apr 20 08:10:01 * johnx remembers when paperbacks were ~$5 Apr 20 08:10:05 mobipocket works on every device i own Apr 20 08:10:09 johnx: yeah :/ Apr 20 08:10:20 and I'm not *that* old :/ Apr 20 08:11:02 I like the new mass markets Apr 20 08:11:10 They added about an inch to the top and $3 to the price. Apr 20 08:19:59 johnx: Still are Apr 20 08:20:08 johnx: Not all of them though Apr 20 08:20:22 not here :/ Apr 20 08:20:34 aquatix: Screw mobipocket. Apr 20 08:21:07 aquatix: it is either .txt, or .html, or .fb2, or .pdf Apr 20 08:21:12 well, txt then Apr 20 08:21:17 docbook :) Apr 20 08:21:22 urgh Apr 20 08:21:31 * aquatix started reading ebooks on his palm, way back Apr 20 08:21:37 hm, html Apr 20 08:21:42 html is a better option i guess Apr 20 08:21:49 * aquatix googles .fb2 Apr 20 08:22:11 johnx: the funny part is, even although books/cds/etc got more expensive there is nothing to read, watch, or listen Apr 20 08:22:13 RST38h: know whether fbreader eats pdf? Apr 20 08:22:39 RST38h: that's called the hollywood bubble :) Apr 20 08:22:51 johnx: I am actually buying hardbacks now (usually in an outlet), and it is not such a big deal because there are so few readable ones :) Apr 20 08:22:58 aquatix: it does not Apr 20 08:23:03 aquatix: evince does and it remembers the page when you exit it :) Apr 20 08:23:15 aquatix: it will eat fb2 nicely though Apr 20 08:23:16 ooh, fictionbook (.fb2) sounds good Apr 20 08:23:28 qwerty12: i like fbreader better :) Apr 20 08:23:47 black bg, white font, fullscreen, portrait Apr 20 08:23:55 awesome on my n810, imho Apr 20 08:23:56 Same, but for PDF's (when that is the only format available), I go to evince :) Apr 20 08:24:07 s/'// Apr 20 08:24:07 qwerty12 meant: Same, but for PDFs (when that is the only format available), I go to evince :) Apr 20 08:24:11 qwerty12: fair enough Apr 20 08:24:32 * aquatix only has the default pdfreader on his n810 atm Apr 20 08:24:35 should try evince Apr 20 08:24:50 I kinda remember having ok luck with pdftohtml then feeding that to fbreader Apr 20 08:24:55 pdf's are always a tad slow with rendering though Apr 20 08:25:08 johnx: yeah, was thinking about that Apr 20 08:25:35 I prefer being able to reflow rather than being stuck with the PDF layout Apr 20 08:25:42 indeed Apr 20 08:25:43 same here Apr 20 08:25:48 pdf is kinda overkill for text Apr 20 08:25:56 plain text I mean Apr 20 08:25:58 nice for printing I suppose Apr 20 08:26:24 heh, but I'm sooo done with physical media. This last move was a real eye opener Apr 20 08:27:03 i read plenty of books in plucker format too Apr 20 08:27:13 johnx: :) Apr 20 08:28:00 * RST38h just goes to lib.rus.ec for his Russian-language reading needs and buys actual paper books in English Apr 20 08:28:29 &*$^%ing tired of hauling books and dvds and cds and game discs of various description in a suitcase all over the place, when all of it would fit on one 1TB drive with room to spare Apr 20 08:28:31 * aquatix likes having a small library with him on his n810 Apr 20 08:28:39 johnx: yeah Apr 20 08:28:49 yeah, I love my n800 for the library aspect Apr 20 08:28:56 * aquatix could really use a 48GB microsd Apr 20 08:29:05 lol Apr 20 08:29:27 johnx: you need to buy a house. Apr 20 08:29:27 especially when i'm in africa in a few months time :) Apr 20 08:29:43 aquatix uh what you are doing their? Apr 20 08:29:43 a physical library is awesome too Apr 20 08:29:50 woglinde: just vacation :) Apr 20 08:29:54 `just' Apr 20 08:29:57 just? Apr 20 08:30:03 where somalia? Apr 20 08:30:03 RST38h, first I need to stop having the urge to visit different places and live there for decent lengths of time Apr 20 08:30:05 *g* Apr 20 08:30:07 it's gonna be awesome Apr 20 08:30:16 woglinde: nah, south africa, namibia Apr 20 08:30:18 africa is dangerous Apr 20 08:30:26 johnx: you need an underground la^H^H base Apr 20 08:30:30 yeah, need to install that taser app on my n810 Apr 20 08:30:37 even in south africa Apr 20 08:30:45 aquatix: why? Apr 20 08:31:33 RST38h: because woglinde says it's dangerous there ;) Apr 20 08:31:54 well, it is a hellhole for all I have heard, so why? Apr 20 08:31:55 RST38h, ok, so I put my katamari damacy disc in an underground bunker in minesota, move to peru and then ... I can't play katamari 'cause it's thousands of km away Apr 20 08:32:08 RST38h: oh, because it's beautiful too Apr 20 08:32:20 johnx: not saying you shouldn't copy it to your tablet =) Apr 20 08:32:20 obviously physical media is a suboptimal solution :) Apr 20 08:33:02 well, then, why don't I dump the physical media, rent out the underground bunker and have income instead of a pile of rotting crap in a bunker in minesota? :P Apr 20 08:33:03 johnx: actually, my love to physical media is only restricted to books Apr 20 08:33:20 johnx: those round shiny things that sell for $$$ I do not care about Apr 20 08:34:04 my wife collects books. we shipped like 1m^3 of them back across the pacific. turns out that's not really cheap. Apr 20 08:34:36 johnx: ouch indee Apr 20 08:34:38 *indeed Apr 20 08:34:49 aquatix: dusty, hot, full of cannibals, both figuratively and literally Apr 20 08:35:14 johnx: should have juststored them somewhere in the US Apr 20 08:35:26 RST38h: i bring mirrors and necklaces Apr 20 08:35:45 RST38h, oh, many of them *were* stored in the US. :P Apr 20 08:36:36 I can see keeping hold of books you *really love* or books you know you'll reread, but keeping books just because you have the series or because bookshelves are cheap seems pretty silly to me Apr 20 08:37:22 * johnx does not want to have his belongings dictate his lifestyle Apr 20 08:38:15 johnx: still it's better to adapt the belongings to the life style Apr 20 08:38:36 yep Apr 20 08:38:40 agreed :) Apr 20 08:39:03 and for my part, I'm tired of hauling my desktop computer all around the world :> Apr 20 08:39:23 now if i had a NIT with 1TB of storage, i could take almost all my stuff with my in one tiny device Apr 20 08:39:26 johnx then settle down somewhere Apr 20 08:39:38 johnx: buy a decent laptop ;) Apr 20 08:39:38 woglinde, not for a while yet :) Apr 20 08:39:49 aquatix, after I land this job ;) Apr 20 08:39:58 johnx hm? Apr 20 08:40:09 I don't feel like settling down for a while Apr 20 08:40:35 * aquatix is settling Apr 20 08:40:37 feels weird Apr 20 08:40:47 and good at the same time Apr 20 08:41:12 I'll settle down for the next couple years at least, but I can't see staying in one place in the long run Apr 20 08:43:05 johnx: may i ask about your age? Apr 20 08:43:07 johnx: Sooner or later you will start wishing I have had a permanent place Apr 20 08:43:10 just curious :) Apr 20 08:43:21 aquatix, fair enough. :) 25 Apr 20 08:43:33 johnx: Kinda inevitable in all but most terminal cases :) Apr 20 08:43:34 dang Apr 20 08:43:36 * aquatix is 27 Apr 20 08:43:50 so you have about 2 years before settling like me ;) Apr 20 08:43:59 maybe in another 2 years I'll feel like settling Apr 20 08:44:07 * aquatix is boring anyway Apr 20 08:44:21 johnx: will have to, when you have kids :) Apr 20 08:44:43 RST38h, and that will happen when I get tired of wandering :P Apr 20 08:45:05 johnx: Will happen when your wife says so =) Apr 20 08:45:19 she likes traveling too :) Apr 20 08:45:49 nah, I think I have a couple adventures left before I settle in someplace Apr 20 08:45:51 flying with little kids sucks though Apr 20 08:45:58 :) Apr 20 08:46:02 * aquatix too Apr 20 08:46:05 hence africa Apr 20 08:46:12 aquatix, may I ask how much traveling you've done? Apr 20 08:46:19 not *that* much Apr 20 08:46:35 greece, italia, france, belgium :) Apr 20 08:46:39 * aquatix lives in the netherlands Apr 20 08:46:46 still, that's a good amount Apr 20 08:46:49 I've done much less Apr 20 08:46:55 bit of germany, austria Apr 20 08:47:04 but those are minor travels Apr 20 08:47:08 I really feel the need to catch up before I'd be comfortable settling down Apr 20 08:47:27 travels as in vacations Apr 20 08:47:50 before I went to Japan I'd only ever been to Canada Apr 20 08:47:58 ah, japan Apr 20 08:48:03 it's on my todo :) Apr 20 08:48:12 but i guess it'll be a few years before i go there Apr 20 08:48:38 definitely worth it. I'll show you around if I'm in a position to get over there at that point ;) Apr 20 08:48:52 anyways, I should catch some sleep. Apr 20 08:49:02 that'd be cool Apr 20 08:49:04 ah, nn! Apr 20 08:49:07 'night all Apr 20 08:53:45 Wow, it was exactly a year ago - to the day - that I wrote http://www.maemopeople.org/index.php/jaffa/2008/04/20/maemo_org_what_next Apr 20 08:54:29 I should probably write a follow up Apr 20 08:54:52 4/20 is a a good time to be talking about open source. ;) Apr 20 08:55:06 :) Apr 20 08:59:16 I boggle that even open source advocates would say "well, sometimes you have to be secretive to deliver your vision". Apr 20 08:59:55 Yeah, strange. Apr 20 09:00:21 Perhaps I'm just a misogynist cynic: I'll just ignore people who disagree with my vision :) Apr 20 09:00:36 There are a few false dichotomies floating around in that thread. Apr 20 09:00:50 s/misogynist/misanthropic/ Apr 20 09:00:51 Jaffa meant: Perhaps I'm just a misanthropic cynic: I'll just ignore people who disagree with my vision :) Apr 20 09:01:02 * GeneralAntilles was wondering. Apr 20 09:01:14 Hopefully not Freudian Apr 20 09:01:59 misanthropia ♥ Apr 20 09:05:14 Jaffa: You are a typical management type =) Apr 20 09:05:45 Very typical for managers to ignore people who disagree with their vision, until very end Apr 20 09:06:01 RST38h: Nah, I know I'm often right ;-) Apr 20 09:06:20 Well, sometimes people have good ideas - but listening doesn't have to imply implementing Apr 20 09:09:38 Can I convince anybody to flesh out the Maemo SDK portion of this yet? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maemo_Platform Apr 20 09:11:49 General: Will do it if I have time today. What would you like to see there? Apr 20 09:12:59 RST38h, some real details about what the SDK is and how it works. Apr 20 09:13:11 That are hopefully human-readible. Apr 20 09:13:41 If anybody wants to take a whack at the Scratchbox page, too. . . . http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scratchbox Apr 20 09:13:41 the last part is somewhat difficult but I will try Apr 20 09:14:12 RST38h, well, it's an SDK, it's a subject that can only be simplified so much. Apr 20 09:16:17 `with this thingee smart people can make those extra thingees to put on your device' Apr 20 09:18:09 smart is {{cn}}. :P Apr 20 09:18:49 jaffa, havent nokia been open tho, and theres certainly the strong feedback you mention lol Apr 20 09:19:23 lcuk: they've been open in some respects, and very secretive in others. Certainly the last year has seen *enormous* improvements, but there's still a long way to go Apr 20 09:19:38 *nod* Apr 20 09:19:41 A lot of the points from 366 days ago still apply. Apr 20 09:20:04 i had only had c setup for about a week at this point last year lol Apr 20 09:20:38 WashPost continues delivering: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/04/19/AR2009041902236.html?nav=igoogle Apr 20 09:25:08 RST38h: ... sign in now Apr 20 09:25:24 aquatix: just use bugmenot Apr 20 09:26:59 RST38h: turns out i even have an account already Apr 20 09:31:51 Odd,
    lists don't have numbers in the wiki newstyle. Apr 20 09:34:31 good morning Apr 20 09:34:45 GeneralAntilles: that's got to be a bug Apr 20 09:36:31 hi, i got 2 warnings on maemo main page "Warning: file_put_contents()" Apr 20 09:37:25 zs: Where? http://maemo.org ? Apr 20 09:37:48 X-Fade: yes Apr 20 09:38:32 Hmm I don't see that. Apr 20 09:39:35 X-Fade: I had it a minute ago, too, but it has gone after a refresh Apr 20 09:40:13 Hmm must be during some cache invalidation runs we do.. Apr 20 09:41:56 X-Fade: http://wstaw.org/p/77fa/ Apr 20 09:42:46 X-Fade, think the wiki style will be ready for next week? Apr 20 09:43:09 Next week, probably. This week, not so sure ;) Apr 20 09:43:12 GeneralAntilles: s/next/this/ Apr 20 09:43:16 :) Apr 20 09:43:22 Er, right. Apr 20 09:43:29 X-Fade: anything anybody can do to help? Apr 20 09:43:43 Jaffa: Sure, it is in svn. Apr 20 09:44:02 Basically some CSS tweaks need to be done. Apr 20 09:44:13 X-Fade, and have white backgrounds on the wiki. Apr 20 09:44:45 The right hand bar text looks very wide, with very small text Apr 20 09:45:13 As said, all css. Anybody can do that. Apr 20 09:46:11 X-Fade: svn location/bug list? (is the latter in the standard bugzilla)? Apr 20 09:46:54 You want newstyle wiki bugs in Newstyle or Wiki? Apr 20 09:47:06 https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/mediawiki/2009/?root=maemo2midgard Apr 20 09:53:22 GeneralAntilles: Not sure ;) Apr 20 09:54:47 Hi everyone Apr 20 09:54:58 hi foxx Apr 20 09:55:35 I was hoping someone could help me find a binary for btscanner, I have been literaly looking for months Apr 20 09:55:49 It seems all of the repos no longer have it :{ Apr 20 09:56:38 Lord knows im not ready to try and compile it myself, I will be the first to admit I have a lot to learn when it comes to cross compiling for maemo Apr 20 09:58:44 Nokia promises to announce something very interesting soon: http://translate.google.com/translate?prev=hp&hl=en&js=n&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.kauppalehti.fi%2F5%2Fi%2Ftalous%2Fuutiset%2Fetusivu%2Fuutinen.jsp%3Foid%3D2009%2F04%2F21252&sl=fi&tl=en Apr 20 10:06:43 * jaska clicks just to see silly translation :D Apr 20 10:06:57 mikkov_: got one which is actually in English, or a human translation? Apr 20 10:08:45 Jaffa: kallasvuo has said on some interview to Barron's that there may/will soon be a product announcement Apr 20 10:09:00 Jaffa: soon being very vague Apr 20 10:09:30 Jaffa: but kauppalehti in it's shitty style titled it like yellowpress sensation.. Apr 20 10:09:47 this is the origanal: http://online.barrons.com/article/SB124000823591030435.html?mod=googlenews_barrons Apr 20 10:10:46 "We have some very exciting stuff coming out" no news there after all :) Apr 20 10:11:07 yeh Apr 20 10:11:12 fucking press Apr 20 10:11:21 should stfu before they have actual news Apr 20 10:11:50 That wouldn't generate clicks. :P Apr 20 10:11:53 both articles(the finnish and the english one) also point to subscribe to the news services Apr 20 10:12:08 GeneralAntilles: well, it would generate trust Apr 20 10:12:15 GeneralAntilles: which kauppalehti is seriously lackin Apr 20 10:16:21 that headline is already spreading in finnish media (digitoday.fi, taloussanomat.fi) Apr 20 10:17:40 mikkov_: "exciting" =!=> Maemo, necessarily (I assume it doesn't mention it) Apr 20 10:18:41 it didn't mention specifically anything as far as i can see Apr 20 10:18:51 mikkov_: those are also crap magazines :D Apr 20 10:19:00 mikkov_: let me bet that digitoday article mentions iphone? Apr 20 10:19:47 it mentions Apple and RIM Apr 20 10:20:26 All the big mobile companies are merging Apr 20 10:20:50 and releasing their brand new super-smartphone, the T-1000 Apr 20 10:21:27 With AndroidSymbianMaemoXtremeOMG? Apr 20 10:22:58 yeh Apr 20 10:23:16 moto, sammy etc just keep on making more and more product paper launches Apr 20 10:23:26 mikkov_: you are aware that digitoday and taloussanomat have the same staff? :) Apr 20 10:25:10 suihkulokki: I didn't know that, but it explains some things ;) Apr 20 10:26:02 IMHO the also are be the most incompetent editors in finnish media. Apr 20 10:26:27 take press release -> add typos and factual mistakes -> publish as news Apr 20 10:28:27 yeh Apr 20 10:28:39 but hey, if they knew their stuff... they would have better jobs Apr 20 11:01:00 afternoon Apr 20 11:01:05 nearly Apr 20 11:01:17 13:00:59 lardman | afternoon Apr 20 11:01:20 already is ;) Apr 20 11:01:39 ello lardman Apr 20 11:01:42 must get battery for watch ;) Apr 20 11:01:51 :) Apr 20 11:03:59 I need to do that too. Apr 20 11:04:03 It's been about 8 months. Apr 20 11:04:54 erm Apr 20 11:05:05 my watch runs about 3 years on a battery Apr 20 11:05:13 might be more Apr 20 11:05:19 Since the battery died. ;) Apr 20 11:05:24 oh :D Apr 20 11:05:27 It managed about 4. Apr 20 11:05:40 I once had one of those kinetic ones, but I left it off for a week and it went flat and would never restart Apr 20 11:05:51 lardman: a Seiko one? Apr 20 11:05:58 odd that it didn't restart Apr 20 11:06:00 I'm kinda tempted to get a new one, though. Apr 20 11:06:03 no way, Swatch watch or something when I was a kid Apr 20 11:06:16 ah Apr 20 11:06:26 didn't know Swatch made those kinetic ones too Apr 20 11:06:38 shop wants 75 to repalce the battery on my Seiko, not good Apr 20 11:06:48 Yeesh Apr 20 11:06:50 or was it a mechanical kinetic? Apr 20 11:06:51 aquatix: long time ago Apr 20 11:06:52 lardman: whoa Apr 20 11:07:06 aquatix: yeah, so it really did need to be re-wound Apr 20 11:07:25 lardman: and here i thought they robbed me when asking 15 EUR Apr 20 11:07:33 lardman: yeah Apr 20 11:07:33 lol Apr 20 11:07:49 or was it 17 Apr 20 11:07:56 still, quite much for a damn battery Apr 20 11:08:02 and i can replace it myself Apr 20 11:08:11 it's not like the damn watch is waterproof anyway Apr 20 11:08:26 ah, mine is Apr 20 11:09:04 at least until I get round to taking the back of myself, etc Apr 20 11:09:17 maybe they replace the seal too Apr 20 11:09:23 yep Apr 20 11:09:37 Don't they need to do those in a vacuum? Apr 20 11:09:42 myeah, that gets expensive fast :/ Apr 20 11:10:04 I'd have thought under pressure, so if it fails air goes out not water in, but still sounds quite a lot Apr 20 11:10:16 true Apr 20 11:10:26 lardman: can't you ask another store? :) Apr 20 11:11:15 yeah, will shop around - I think that's the standard price to send it off to Seiko though Apr 20 11:11:17 aquatix: he comes from Bath :P Apr 20 11:11:30 anyway, not overly important in the grand scheme of things Apr 20 11:11:46 qwerty12: what are you saying, that we're parochial here? ;) Apr 20 11:12:12 lardman: nah, you just aren't like London ;P Apr 20 11:13:06 ah :) Apr 20 11:13:15 * aquatix likes London btw Apr 20 11:13:26 but when i went there, the sun shone Apr 20 11:13:28 X-Fade: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4241 seems to happening again Apr 20 11:13:31 so i might be biased Apr 20 11:14:51 X-Fade: now it's working again Apr 20 11:18:20 mikkov_: Your ip: .126 ? Apr 20 11:18:36 qwerty12_N800: hm, Bath seems to have 80k people, so i guess they'll have more than 1 watch store there ;) Apr 20 11:21:31 mikkov_: Did you do multiple uploads? Or close after each other? Apr 20 11:22:11 X-Fade: see https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4241 Apr 20 11:22:56 I see your client trying every 2 seconds for a few minutes. Apr 20 11:23:21 X-Fade: it was me retrying :) Apr 20 11:23:21 But that is when the problem is already active. I want to find out what triggered it. Apr 20 11:24:07 It is a rate limitter, so you must have made multiple connections. Apr 20 11:24:09 X-Fade: for me it happened right away. I havee't uploaded anything for a while Apr 20 11:24:11 yes indeed Apr 20 11:24:36 mikkov_: First upload, failed instantly? Apr 20 11:25:16 X-Fade: yes. with dput. dput uses that exactly that command (without -vvv) Apr 20 11:25:40 Yeah, every copy is a new connection. Apr 20 11:26:43 X-Fade: every copy of what? Apr 20 11:34:21 vagalume - excellent when away from home Apr 20 11:38:53 StsN800: until last.fm turn off the streaming API it's currently using and you have to be a subscriber to access the new one :-/ Apr 20 11:38:59 * Jaffa goes to find some chips & curry sauce for lunch. Apr 20 11:39:23 yeah - except they should have done it already Apr 20 11:39:47 i will subscribe personally Apr 20 11:46:42 * lardman just had a BLT Apr 20 11:47:27 :O Apr 20 11:47:32 hiya simon Apr 20 11:47:37 and why didnt u get me one :P Apr 20 11:48:09 * lcuk is enjoying the sunshine Apr 20 11:48:17 lcuk: I did, but I ate it too! ;) Apr 20 11:48:41 you mean it's not snowing oop north?! Apr 20 11:49:23 when i execute xmmsctrl launch its a different xmms than if i run it from an the icon Apr 20 11:49:25 why is that Apr 20 11:54:37 lol lardman its actually lovely and warm Apr 20 11:55:54 same here, wonderful, in fact I'm in shorts so it will probably rain tomorrow Apr 20 12:04:39 lol lardman, you and shorts dont match Apr 20 12:04:54 you might drip hot baconaisse on your leg Apr 20 12:09:17 lol Apr 20 12:09:24 * lardman heads off to learn Spanish, bbl Apr 20 12:09:39 lcya Apr 20 12:10:23 anyone with my xmms issue Apr 20 12:10:30 oh wait now i know why Apr 20 12:10:31 nvm Apr 20 12:11:53 is there screen for maemo Apr 20 12:13:09 yes Apr 20 12:14:24 Jaffa: has there been any talk on when they'll start dealing with Transifex etc on maemo.org? Apr 20 12:14:40 No Apr 20 12:14:47 k Apr 20 12:14:53 That's a Maemo Software thing in the Harmattan timeframe. Apr 20 12:14:57 lovely Apr 20 12:15:14 Hello ! Apr 20 12:15:21 lo khertan Apr 20 12:15:27 Piece of shit computer Apr 20 12:15:36 Feel free to step it up a bit maemo.org side, though Apr 20 12:16:00 just a question, why activating all applet in setting result in crash of the hildon desktop ? Apr 20 12:16:03 :) Apr 20 12:16:13 (i mean on Mer) Apr 20 12:16:42 Khertan1: 0.11 has bad bad problems with Panels :P 0.12 less, but if there's too many things iN marquee, it crashes Apr 20 12:16:53 i'm really surprised h-d is stable for people Apr 20 12:17:01 h d ? Apr 20 12:17:07 hildon desktop Apr 20 12:17:11 ah ... Apr 20 12:17:15 there's so many scenarios it actually crashes in Apr 20 12:17:24 yep i 'm surprizing too that it s stable also in Diablo :) Apr 20 12:17:46 but anyway, 0.12 has a lot of the bugs solved :P Apr 20 12:17:47 you mean there is one where it doesn't crash isn't it ? Apr 20 12:18:48 how can i monitor connection speed on a n810 Apr 20 12:18:56 GAN800: yeah, i think i will - it would be a good way to start the localization stuff anyway Apr 20 12:19:02 even if we don't have perfect strings yet Apr 20 12:19:12 when hd is crashed ... the network is crashed too ? Apr 20 12:19:24 yes, but that's because network manager is stupid Apr 20 12:19:36 ... Apr 20 12:19:50 it isn't crashed, just turns off :P Apr 20 12:20:02 (god knows why. some people should just be shot.) Apr 20 12:20:34 so ... maemo ... -> install mer again Apr 20 12:20:53 Shootings, woo! Apr 20 12:21:16 Khertan1: ah, wait till monday really Apr 20 12:21:20 0.12 will be out there Apr 20 12:43:27 someone had problems with https://git.maemo.org Apr 20 12:43:56 The problem is that the server is missing the intermediate ssl-certificate Apr 20 12:44:03 pyhimys: Sure, lots of people ;) Apr 20 12:44:21 pyhimys: There is a bug open about that. Apr 20 12:44:33 Oh, my bad. Apr 20 12:44:39 No worries ;) Apr 20 12:44:58 Should've checked out the bugzilla beforehand. Apr 20 12:45:04 pyhimys: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4254 Apr 20 12:46:16 I'll get me coat Apr 20 12:49:24 pyhimys: Can you try if it is better now? Apr 20 12:51:15 X-Fade: seems to work :) Apr 20 12:51:42 Crap Apr 20 12:51:52 One of the wheels cracked on my chair. Apr 20 12:51:58 pyhimys: Why wait for others to fix it, when you can do it yourself ;) Apr 20 12:53:40 X-Fade: don't start. I'm starting to (d)evolve a bofhitude in my current job. Apr 20 12:54:16 pyhimys: Well, fixing this cost as much time as looking up the bug. So I figured, why not ;) Apr 20 12:55:45 I assume you reduced the appropriate quotas? Apr 20 13:00:07 pyhimys: It is all about karma ;) Apr 20 13:15:51 hi pupnik Apr 20 13:23:22 jo Apr 20 13:43:46 * GeneralAntilles want a raytracing graphics card. Apr 20 13:44:12 ga invent one Apr 20 13:44:39 Already done http://www.engadget.com/2009/04/20/get-ready-for-another-co-processor-further-details-on-caustic-g/#continued Apr 20 13:46:29 Stskeepz: i got crash of h-d everytime Apr 20 13:47:53 Khertan1, would love to help atm but going to cinema:( Apr 20 13:48:02 yep no prob Apr 20 13:48:02 :) Apr 20 13:50:47 hi Apr 20 13:51:01 which os is the best for a N770 atm? Apr 20 13:52:30 humm, are there USB Joystick drivers available for OS2008 by any chance? Apr 20 13:53:03 Foxx: which driver? Apr 20 13:53:11 generic USB Joystick? Apr 20 13:53:52 i was just looking at some of the emulators and games, figured I can take a cheap $5 USB joystick and rig up something like a cradle for the n800 to play platformers and such Apr 20 13:54:11 I have USB Control installed, and I can esily make the proper power setup Apr 20 13:54:25 im aware of the 60mA limit on the USB bus of the n800 Apr 20 13:54:59 just for shits and giggles I had a 500GB External HDD with battery pack hooked to the N800 playing xvid movies Apr 20 13:55:56 hmm is there enough power in n800 to play xvid Apr 20 13:56:05 in what resolution Apr 20 13:56:08 with mplayer, yeah Apr 20 13:56:13 sampo: yes, but depends on resolution and bitrate Apr 20 13:56:23 let me gSpot the file, ill tell you Apr 20 13:56:28 it wasnt small... Apr 20 13:56:36 sampo: http://wiki.maemo.org/Video_encoding Apr 20 13:56:40 but normal scene dvdrip? Apr 20 13:56:46 * GeneralAntilles doesn't get some people's definition of "good" computing experiences. Apr 20 13:56:51 without re encoding Apr 20 13:57:11 sampo, generally speaking. Apr 20 13:57:17 it wasnt bad Apr 20 13:57:17 GeneralAntilles/X-Fade: did we have a conclusion on newstyle wiki bugs? The "Main article: $FOO" template has a white background Apr 20 13:57:34 doesnt beat a 17" widescreen laptop... Apr 20 13:57:42 but id damn sure beat watching video on a 5G ipod Apr 20 13:57:46 :) Apr 20 13:57:48 ... i dont know why anyone would Apr 20 13:57:53 Jaffa, and both have white backgrounds defined in the CSS. Apr 20 13:58:07 Jaffa, it's just a matter of removing a few background-color lines from it. Apr 20 13:58:33 Foxx, the limit is 100mA Apr 20 13:59:05 ah, i was told 60, but still Apr 20 13:59:23 not much to run off of, but im an electronics guy, so making a battery pack isnt too hard Apr 20 14:00:42 this video is 1.5GB @ 1.8Mbit Apr 20 14:00:53 AC3 audio Apr 20 14:00:58 Haha Apr 20 14:01:04 foxx so did you re encode your movies before watching them on n8xxÃ? Apr 20 14:01:11 goodluckwiththat Apr 20 14:01:18 GeneralAntilles, it worked just fine Apr 20 14:01:22 huh Apr 20 14:01:38 only thing was I ran down the battery pack on the HDD before the movie was over Apr 20 14:01:43 but the proof of concept worked Apr 20 14:01:56 By "fine", you mean you rendered at quarter resolution with audio off? Apr 20 14:02:06 whats the resolution on that movie Apr 20 14:02:17 the audio keyframes didnt go out of sync Apr 20 14:02:48 i assume that it wa 2ch ac3 Apr 20 14:02:56 i think it was something likr 680*280 Apr 20 14:03:00 yes, 2 channel AC3 Apr 20 14:03:06 like* Apr 20 14:03:12 ok Apr 20 14:03:13 for the n800, it wasnt bad Apr 20 14:03:20 much better than a 2" ipod screen Apr 20 14:03:34 if thats true that it played fine :) Apr 20 14:03:51 it wasnt epic 'OMFG!!!' quality Apr 20 14:03:58 but i was happy with it Apr 20 14:04:15 is there a difference if the movie is on internal memory? Apr 20 14:04:17 looks grainy on the 40" LCD I have in the livingroom, of course Apr 20 14:04:21 foxx, making your own battery pack is a recipe for disaster if you are flying Apr 20 14:04:31 Native resolution is going to look amazing on the next tablet. Apr 20 14:04:34 lcuk, yeah, i know... :/ Apr 20 14:04:47 I dont know how the hell they let me aboard the plane with all the tech I had Apr 20 14:04:48 having strange wires coming out of your nokia going into an undisclosed box is just begging for some rubberglove love Apr 20 14:04:53 i had a full suitcase of homebrew crap Apr 20 14:05:04 i had my bags searched by security last time i came back from berlin Apr 20 14:05:06 hehe Apr 20 14:05:08 I managed to get a decent quality 640x480 video to play at fair framerate for a little while on a number of occasions. It was beautiful. Apr 20 14:05:12 they left me a letter saying they had opened and checked it all Apr 20 14:05:28 I had a full suitcase packed full of radio and electronics gear Apr 20 14:05:30 and tools Apr 20 14:05:39 one of my antennas is literally copper pipe Apr 20 14:05:51 in an xray, it looks like a freaking pipe bomb Apr 20 14:05:51 GeneralAntilles: yeah 800x480@30 would look good Apr 20 14:05:53 heh sounds like my case i toiok one of everything i thought i might need Apr 20 14:06:00 same here Apr 20 14:06:02 o_O thats not good Apr 20 14:06:18 i also packed a laminated copy of my FCC licence in the bag Apr 20 14:06:22 and labeled EVERYTHING Apr 20 14:06:24 normal SD scene release videos play fine on N810 with mplayer. on the default media player they don't run at all or are slow Apr 20 14:06:28 tons of postits Apr 20 14:06:35 at least now i know what i need, and ive got a much smaller laptop that works Apr 20 14:06:44 i just hope i can use adhoc wifi on the plane Apr 20 14:06:46 * lcuk teases gan Apr 20 14:07:04 cosmo_: thats it, i only tried default media player Apr 20 14:07:04 i also took all the batteries out and put them in a sperate plastic water-tight box and labeled it "Batteries" Apr 20 14:07:08 lcuk, I'm not worried, you'll see your folly eventually. Apr 20 14:07:11 an d fcc license and postit notes isnt good Apr 20 14:07:13 none of the gear had batteries in it Apr 20 14:07:16 "this is not a bomb, honest" Apr 20 14:07:28 well, legally, they cant tell me I cant have it Apr 20 14:07:37 im a licenced radio operator Apr 20 14:07:37 Fixx: You know it is unhealthy? Apr 20 14:07:56 Foxx: Gives out an evil terorrist bomber with Ideas right away =) Apr 20 14:07:59 if they want to pitch a fit about my gizmos having batteries in them, fine... ill take them out Apr 20 14:08:17 ..724 AAs later.. Apr 20 14:08:17 but they can not legally tell me I cant carry my radio, period Apr 20 14:08:46 i get low volume on N810 headphones though.. so silent that it's impossible to watch galactica on bus. Apr 20 14:08:50 all my radio transmitters, besides the bluetooth and wifi, were password locked anyways Apr 20 14:08:58 the right to bear radio equipment is mandated Apr 20 14:08:59 south park is fine though Apr 20 14:09:10 my audio often quite suddenly stops functioning Apr 20 14:09:16 Foxx: Airport Rule #1: They can do ANYTHING to you, citing arbitrary laws and regulations. Apr 20 14:09:25 probably something which throws a lock on the sound blockdevice and doesnt release Apr 20 14:09:25 agreed rst Apr 20 14:09:39 well, within the USA if you are FCC Licenced ham operator, you cant be denied for having the gear, which is essential for emergencys Apr 20 14:09:39 * lcuk vanishes again anyway Apr 20 14:09:40 \o Apr 20 14:09:42 Rule #2: DHS regulations take precedence over your constitutional rights and common sense Apr 20 14:10:07 needless to say I was a *little* freaked out during checkpoints Apr 20 14:10:17 "I'm a ham operator, if you see me key up the mic, RUN!" Apr 20 14:10:40 I like ham Apr 20 14:10:49 They once tried taking a 30cm frying pan from me Apr 20 14:11:11 RST38h: from you? Where did you have it embedded? Apr 20 14:11:14 ;) Apr 20 14:12:19 At that point, I have not yet embedded it into anyone, although I definitely felt the urge,,, Apr 20 14:12:31 XD Apr 20 14:12:49 wow it indeed can play scene dvdrip.. Apr 20 14:13:13 i never tried it because i was too lazy to reencode everything Apr 20 14:13:24 but mplayer does fine without Apr 20 14:32:50 hello all, I have a 64 bit machine. Can I develop to maemo (or mer)? Apr 20 14:35:32 i guess so Apr 20 14:37:09 sampo, how? the sdk for diablo and for frmantle doesn't want install in my system :( Apr 20 14:43:13 "Oracle Corporation (NASDAQ: ORCL) and Sun Microsystems (NASDAQ: JAVA) announced today they have entered into a definitive agreement under which Oracle will acquire Sun common stock for $9.50 per share in cash." Apr 20 14:43:16 The End Apr 20 14:43:22 rst jepp Apr 20 14:44:25 * aquatix orders an Oracle UltraSparc with oracleOS and oracleDB Light Apr 20 14:45:38 Oracle is the next to fold though Apr 20 14:49:23 rst intressting is that oracle dont let go solaris down Apr 20 14:49:56 well, it is one of their main platforms Apr 20 14:50:32 yeah but I think solaris is one of departments which has neagtive ROI Apr 20 14:50:37 But it is probably the end of the line for Java, new CPU architectures. Apr 20 14:51:04 woglinde: well, Sun had negative ROI in most departments lately :) Apr 20 14:51:30 rst *g* Apr 20 14:51:31 torkiano: what does it say? Apr 20 14:52:26 sampo, E: Currently Scratcbox can only run in 32 bit i386 architecture. Apr 20 14:52:33 RST38h: Most of Oracle's middleware is based around Java (incl. all of the BEA line; and the preferred sproc language for Oracle DB) Apr 20 14:52:48 jaffa the crappy installer Apr 20 14:53:17 Jaffa: Yes, I still remember the blunder they got into with that Apr 20 14:53:53 Jaffa: with Oracle installer written for Java version that could not run on hald the CPUs Apr 20 14:53:56 s/hald/half Apr 20 14:54:03 torkiano: i guess then you should install scratchbox manually Apr 20 14:54:09 64bit version Apr 20 14:54:42 Jaffa: So, they will continue using Java for their middleware and other crap Apr 20 14:55:12 Jaffa: As long as it finally stops being marketed as a general purpose programming language, I am fine :) Apr 20 14:55:15 torkiano: there is thread for this: http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-users/2007-December/031581.html Apr 20 14:56:03 sampo, oh, thank you. Reading now Apr 20 14:56:05 hmm, canola really does munch battery Apr 20 14:58:26 yep Apr 20 14:58:56 but the MediaBox is no better in that sense Apr 20 14:59:18 I was just after some player that would let me play directories of music rather than the whole lot Apr 20 14:59:23 perhaps mplayer it is :) Apr 20 14:59:52 too ugly Apr 20 15:00:01 yeah Apr 20 15:00:16 lardman: mpd Apr 20 15:00:25 there is YAMP Apr 20 15:00:51 is canola2 as easy on the battery as the default player? Apr 20 15:00:55 for playing music? Apr 20 15:01:19 no Apr 20 15:01:35 sampo, apt-get install scratchbox2 :) Apr 20 15:01:44 that might depends on the music player backend Apr 20 15:01:46 I'm using jaunty Apr 20 15:01:49 torkiano: :)) Apr 20 15:02:02 is this valid for maemo official sdk? Apr 20 15:02:36 torkiano: i guess you should do fine if you follow manual installation method from INSTALL.txt Apr 20 15:03:30 sampo, ok Wish me luck! ;) Apr 20 15:03:46 aquatix: is that in extras? Apr 20 15:04:03 lardman: music player daemon? Apr 20 15:04:05 not sure Apr 20 15:04:08 i think so, yes Apr 20 15:04:51 does it have a gui or is it truely a daemon? Apr 20 15:04:57 mpd isn't in extras Apr 20 15:05:14 For Maemo: There's two mpd clients, mmpc and sonata Apr 20 15:06:02 torkiano: good luck! Apr 20 15:06:45 thanks qwerty12, sounds like hassle though Apr 20 15:07:30 Won't argue with that if you want something that works out of the box but otherwise, it's awesome on the tablet Apr 20 15:09:40 which do you prefer? Apr 20 15:09:59 and this is for on-device playback I take it you're talking about it being awesome? Apr 20 15:10:12 mpd isn't really awesome Apr 20 15:10:20 just allows you to have UI separate from the player Apr 20 15:10:47 but it involves two components instead of one i.e. it is more kludgey Apr 20 15:11:19 lardman: Yeah, I have mpd running on my N800. Sonata is more full featured, with better playlist and library handing but it's written in Python and likes to go funny when the tablet goes all slow. mmpc is more lightweight and more simple Apr 20 15:15:59 RST38h: yeah that's the way it seemed to me, bit wasteful of resources for such a simple usecase Apr 20 15:22:58 I'm back Apr 20 15:29:57 Heheh, they have got the cable guy! Apr 20 15:33:51 lardman: Have you tried this: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/youamp/ ? Apr 20 15:34:00 lardman: I would be interested to know how good it is Apr 20 15:34:37 hola Apr 20 15:34:46 ehlo Apr 20 15:38:07 RST38h: I'll install it this evening if I get a chance and let you know Apr 20 15:38:27 thanks Apr 20 15:38:41 * RST38h tried MediaBox lately but the thing is way too buggy Apr 20 15:39:07 * Khertan1 like mpd Apr 20 15:39:15 with sonata Apr 20 15:41:50 did you got also wifi problem on mer ? Apr 20 15:42:15 seems after an away mode ... the wifi could not connect anymore Apr 20 15:43:51 if i make /home/user apt-get install x.x and all be instaled....where i find the install after that in my / folder? Apr 20 15:45:36 ahha! mer people! tell me please, does Fn key work on n810 in mer? Apr 20 15:45:47 Guest6748_221: The install file, or the installed files? Apr 20 15:46:12 installed Apr 20 15:46:56 dpkg -L x.x shows you all the files that belong to x.x Apr 20 15:47:33 but if i use ftp for browse my files...where i find the files if i install on /home/user Apr 20 15:47:40 cause now i dont find it Apr 20 15:47:52 how do you install on /home/user? Apr 20 15:48:02 Guest6748_221: What ShadowJK said Apr 20 15:48:24 apt-get install lcars-sounds Apr 20 15:48:54 Guest6748_221: why do you think that installs anywhere other than the standard location? Apr 20 15:49:23 Guest6748_221: i.e. `dpkg -L lcars-sounds' will still do what you want Apr 20 15:53:42 TX i got it Apr 20 15:53:45 TX to both Apr 20 16:02:34 so ... mer means Multiples Error Randomly ? Apr 20 16:03:32 only if [ x"$USER" = x"Khertan" ] Apr 20 16:03:37 ^ Apr 20 16:03:43 It's a secret plot to destroy you, Khertan1. Apr 20 16:04:16 5 resintall in 2 days ... youhou Apr 20 16:04:46 i found that all things is slow Apr 20 16:04:51 this is strange Apr 20 16:05:21 Khertan1, it's just you're too fast :) Apr 20 16:05:47 Khertan1: the driver for the xserver in Mer doesn't support manual updates to the screen Apr 20 16:06:33 So ... just made a test of wifi with my computer Apr 20 16:06:44 this is a problem with Mer Apr 20 16:06:46 :( Apr 20 16:10:13 Hrm, does anybody else have trouble with the newstyle login page? Apr 20 16:17:44 Hello Maemo Apr 20 16:20:21 youhou ! after 3 reboot i got network : Apr 20 16:20:22 ! Apr 20 16:23:58 Well, some more reboots and you'll get pizza and beer :) Apr 20 16:24:56 cu later chaps Apr 20 16:25:17 wazd: nope ... didn't work Apr 20 16:25:27 :) Apr 20 16:25:40 i'm at reboot level 9 right now Apr 20 16:25:56 Khertan: keep trying :) Apr 20 16:26:06 Khertan: should work someday :) Apr 20 16:27:17 i think i ll got more chance asking to my wife ... while rebooting the not Apr 20 16:27:19 nit Apr 20 16:28:34 "Please forgive me for being a NITwit?" Apr 20 16:32:25 timsamoff about? Apr 20 16:33:30 moo wazd Apr 20 16:36:11 RST38h: heya! Apr 20 16:44:24 johnx, http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/images/h1910/ - there's no image in there! Apr 20 16:44:29 the newest one is 2200 Apr 20 16:51:32 hehe Apr 20 17:18:25 anyone how how to get qemu+chroot to work? Apr 20 17:23:11 luke-jr, you might need some patches Apr 20 17:23:17 why not just use qemu-system-arm Apr 20 17:23:19 ? Apr 20 17:24:35 johnx: uh, that requires making an image etc? Apr 20 17:24:38 and booting it? Apr 20 17:24:44 correct Apr 20 17:25:02 or grabbing an image from someone else Apr 20 17:26:33 huh, looks like there's not much for gentoo arm out there ... Apr 20 17:36:17 morning GeneralAntilles Apr 20 17:39:29 johnx, http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/images/h1910/ - there's no image for ipaq 1910 in there! the newest one is 2200. need more direction... Apr 20 17:39:57 johnx, I'm ready to take a pick axe to everything electronic in my apartment at the moment. Apr 20 17:40:15 GeneralAntilles, sounds fun. send us a telegraph when you're done :) Apr 20 17:40:44 or stay on IRC via IP-over-avian-carrier Apr 20 17:41:08 General: If you have still got any CRTs, they are the first target obviously Apr 20 17:41:10 iateadonut, let me see what I can find. are you thinking you'll prefer opie or gpe based on what you've read? Apr 20 17:48:46 uhhhh... Apr 20 17:48:59 all i've been trying to do is sftp into my opie with no luck. Apr 20 17:49:10 and you have dropbear installed? Apr 20 17:54:46 dropbear? Apr 20 17:55:04 No package named dropbear Apr 20 17:55:20 what are you using for an ssh server on the ipaq then? Apr 20 17:55:43 OpenSSH_4.3p2, OpenSSL 0.9.7i 14 Oct 2005 Apr 20 17:55:49 ah, nice Apr 20 17:56:03 but, can't connect from sftp for some reason. Apr 20 17:56:07 the sftp server package might be split off from the openssh-server package Apr 20 17:56:13 yeah. Apr 20 17:56:26 after ssh'ing into it, i hit sftp and get command not found Apr 20 17:56:36 * johnx ran into this before Apr 20 17:56:41 so, in that case, how do i share files? Apr 20 17:56:54 i have to find the ipx file and put it on my sdcard from my laptop? Apr 20 17:56:56 you can install the sftp server on the device or you should be able to use scp Apr 20 17:57:06 what's scp? Apr 20 17:57:20 it's the same ideas as sftp for the most part, but a little simpler Apr 20 17:57:42 scp my-file iateadonut@my-ipaq:/home/iateadonut/temp-files/ Apr 20 17:57:52 or similar Apr 20 17:58:13 there's no command line interface to scp? Apr 20 17:59:18 I'm not quite suer I understand what you mean. It's only a command line interface Apr 20 18:01:01 i meant 'interactive mode' - like where you go after you type mysql -u whatever -p Apr 20 18:01:13 ah, no interactive mode Apr 20 18:01:57 but you can at least use scp to transfer the sftp .ipk to your ipaq Apr 20 18:02:28 yes. Apr 20 18:02:33 i just transfered a test file. Apr 20 18:02:51 well, i'm learning - that's the whole point, right? Apr 20 18:03:53 yup. always good Apr 20 18:04:57 iateadonut, for interactive mode, use sftp user@host. it gives ftp-like interface. Apr 20 18:05:11 that's the problem - it doesn't come with sftp. Apr 20 18:05:21 so, i needed a way to get my files on without taking my card out. Apr 20 18:05:29 oh Apr 20 18:05:40 what the program that i need to get my opie to display on my desktop? Apr 20 18:05:50 x11vnc? Apr 20 18:05:56 so i can look at it here - a bigger version with a mous and keyboard and everything. Apr 20 18:06:02 who on earsh ships ssh without sftp, i wonder... Apr 20 18:06:24 s/earsh/earth/ Apr 20 18:06:24 slonopotamus meant: who on earth ships ssh without sftp, i wonder... Apr 20 18:07:52 yeah. Apr 20 18:07:56 that seems pretty silly. Apr 20 18:08:08 it's the opie i got off of handhelds.org Apr 20 18:08:14 for an ipaq 1910 Apr 20 18:11:46 slonopotamus, he's on an ipaq running angstrom ;) Apr 20 18:12:16 slonopotamus, to save a little space Apr 20 18:13:37 GSoC students: the comments in your profile aren't official, one of the mentors made a mistake, please wait to the final google announce, I will review the ranks now Apr 20 18:14:02 hehe Apr 20 18:14:43 heh Apr 20 18:14:46 slonopotamus, some of the devices that angstrom runs on operate out of 16MB of space Apr 20 18:14:56 some have less :) Apr 20 18:15:10 johnx, cool. uclibc? Apr 20 18:15:13 "The Army last month stopped accepting felons and recent drug abusers into its ranks as the nation's economic downturn helped its recruiting" Apr 20 18:15:15 Gsoc students: On behalf of the maemo org, I apologize for the false expectations Apr 20 18:15:54 slonopotamus, I haven't been keeping up with angstrom as much lately since I got involved in mer, but I do know they were trying to get uclibc working on a much wider range of machines Apr 20 18:16:15 err... doesn't it work out of the box? Apr 20 18:16:40 i dunno. I gathered they had some issues with it and specific applications Apr 20 18:16:40 i saw someone building i386 router with uclibc Apr 20 18:16:42 is there a central ipx repo somehwere? Apr 20 18:17:20 iateadonut, ipk files are pretty closely tied to which version of angstrom or openzaurus or familiar you're running Apr 20 18:20:12 dear gsoc studends, instead of your projects, you'll all work on porting gentoo on n800. sorry for false expectations :D Apr 20 18:21:18 rewriting gentoo in python and porting it to n800 Apr 20 18:22:28 RST38h: please! Compile times are already long enough... Apr 20 18:22:39 python? too easy Apr 20 18:26:07 lcuk is right. I suggest the language of choice should be MS Word 97 macros. Apr 20 18:26:23 up until 2:30 am again for almost no reason. Apr 20 18:26:37 but, i did learn the scp command. Apr 20 18:26:39 thanks johnx. Apr 20 18:26:43 have a good night, everyone. Apr 20 18:27:05 iateadonut, night iateadonut. I might have something for you to try in a couple days. We'll see. ;) Apr 20 18:27:18 cool. you know my sourceforge name. Apr 20 18:27:18 qwerty: ou will not need to compile the kernel it will be interpreted! Apr 20 18:27:32 johnx, word 97 macros are also too advanced, lets step backwards a bit more, qbasic should suffice Apr 20 18:28:05 RST38h, actually, a python interpreter as part of the device firmware/BIOS would be pretty interesting Apr 20 18:28:30 python at the linuxbootloader is more doable :D Apr 20 18:28:49 they already have linux acting as a BIOS Apr 20 18:29:17 indeed they do Apr 20 18:30:13 johnx: Late SUN had extension cards firmware written in FORTH Apr 20 18:30:39 johnx: Imaging an otherwise normal ATI video card that has onboard BIOS written in FORTH Apr 20 18:30:41 RST38h, you write for the lego mindstorms bricks in forth too, IIRC Apr 20 18:31:35 should be programmable in logo, imho :) Apr 20 18:32:07 really ... i prefer the goto++ Apr 20 18:32:25 it ll be easier to port the actual existing driver Apr 20 18:33:01 Why do people like to hardwrap text on the wiki? Apr 20 18:33:16 because wiki syntax sucks Apr 20 18:33:43 and some stupid navigator too ... ie sometimes hardwrap text Apr 20 18:33:46 What in the world does that have to do with hard wrapping? Apr 20 18:34:00 Really, the wiki syntax is fine. Apr 20 18:34:04 You're just not familiar with it. Apr 20 18:34:07 That doesn't make it suck. Apr 20 18:34:17 oh really ? Apr 20 18:34:30 dneary: thanks for explicitly asking for the estimates Apr 20 18:34:50 Jaffa: You're welcome Apr 20 18:35:19 Decent wiki syntax (and MediaWiki counts) is the best CMS-entry system I've ever encountered for the web Apr 20 18:35:42 i prefer the xhtml one Apr 20 18:44:45 Khertan: bad for a consistent website, and too complex for some users :-/ Apr 20 18:46:23 pfff Apr 20 18:46:53 take a look at the maemo wiki ... Apr 20 18:46:53 * GeneralAntilles notes South Park looks really good in 720p Apr 20 18:47:05 i ve try to edit it two times Apr 20 18:47:20 and i ven't finish Apr 20 18:47:55 result i ven't edit anything on maemo Apr 20 18:48:05 and ll never try to do it again Apr 20 18:48:22 Um? Apr 20 18:49:11 Khertan: we just use any syntax & leave it for GeneralAntilles to cleanup :P Apr 20 18:49:29 Khertan, that sounds like it doesn't have a thing to do with syntax. Apr 20 18:49:56 good plan qwerty12_N800 lol Apr 20 18:50:22 mind you, we best be careful, gan might start giving us rough drafts of c code to fix up :D Apr 20 18:53:25 RST38h, actually, I'd love to make a mindstorms CNC machine. I think I saw instructions on hackaday. Making *that* programmable in logo would be awesome Apr 20 18:54:13 when i make a dpkg-builtpackage -tc -rfakeroot i got /bin/sh: dpkg-buildpackage : not found Apr 20 18:54:17 any clue? Apr 20 18:54:26 are you on the tablet? Apr 20 18:54:30 yep Apr 20 18:54:35 hehe Apr 20 18:54:36 Guest0677_223: Your Linux distribution doesn't have dpkg-buil... ah Apr 20 18:54:37 it doesn't have dpkg-buildpackage Apr 20 18:54:46 you need to install it Apr 20 18:54:56 Guest0677_223, welcome to maemo Apr 20 18:55:15 tx french and newbe but learn more everyday Apr 20 18:55:24 so anyway to got this on tablet (dpkg Apr 20 18:55:28 or just on pc too Apr 20 18:55:32 like scratchbox Apr 20 18:55:47 it's included in the maemo scratchbox sdk Apr 20 18:56:02 lolllll so no instalable on tablet Apr 20 18:56:03 ok Apr 20 18:56:06 damn Apr 20 18:56:07 it might be Apr 20 18:56:08 lol Apr 20 18:56:23 you can try :) Apr 20 18:56:45 i try and my tablet loop boot again Apr 20 18:57:00 need re flash 5 times since last nite lol Apr 20 18:57:17 this is why everyone uses scratchbox on the PC Apr 20 18:57:32 Now all is clear Apr 20 18:58:03 nothing about a firendly tutorial for run vmware on windows (in french if you know) Apr 20 18:58:21 not in french, but the english one is just three short steps Apr 20 18:58:24 vmware site itself should have french instructions Apr 20 18:58:32 you've read more english on IRC already ;) Apr 20 18:58:57 iam not so bad hein?! lol Apr 20 18:58:59 but then once you get maemovmware its just a ubuntu system in a window Apr 20 18:59:07 http://maemovmware.garage.maemo.org/installation.html Apr 20 18:59:13 really short instructions^ Apr 20 18:59:50 bergie, that estimate sounds . . . wrong to me. Apr 20 18:59:53 I suggest the "hardy desktop" version Apr 20 19:01:02 and the box? vmplayer or qemu for windows? Apr 20 19:01:14 what is the best Apr 20 19:01:28 vmware player is easiest Apr 20 19:01:34 and free Apr 20 19:01:51 all noted Apr 20 19:01:51 gracias Apr 20 19:02:17 and any way to register my username forever here Apr 20 19:02:26 guest0xxxx is not so clean Apr 20 19:02:27 use a normal IRC client Apr 20 19:02:38 ok Apr 20 19:03:28 cool Apr 20 19:03:34 that work here too Apr 20 19:05:17 http://socghop.appspot.com/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2009 Apr 20 19:05:41 GeneralAntilles: ? Apr 20 19:05:44 tx johnx its cool to see some senior help very weel a frenchy nooby like me...its rare Apr 20 19:06:01 not too rare, I hope Apr 20 19:06:08 and keep in mind, I don't have all the answers Apr 20 19:06:10 lol Apr 20 19:06:29 and i donbt make just ask always too Apr 20 19:08:04 z4chh, congratulations on your acceptance to the summer of code! Apr 20 19:09:26 thanks lcuk :D Apr 20 19:11:25 * lcuk cracks the whip Apr 20 19:12:26 z4chh: what you doing? Apr 20 19:13:59 luke-jr, working on liqbase Apr 20 19:14:16 luke-jr, i think you can view my full proposal soon Apr 20 19:14:49 he will be able to run your app soon as well :P Apr 20 19:15:07 nvm Apr 20 19:15:15 indeed ;o Apr 20 19:15:25 really? Apr 20 19:15:30 I don't use Maemo anymore ;) Apr 20 19:15:35 heh yeah, once he write it :P Apr 20 19:15:51 hmm full proposal doesn't get seen :\ Apr 20 19:16:00 only the title and abstract Apr 20 19:16:20 will it work in Gentoo? Apr 20 19:16:47 if gentoo has x11+xv i would assume so :) Apr 20 19:17:22 but you might have to sort out some compilation issues etc - same as most other porting things Apr 20 19:17:30 VDVsx: Hi! Got 1 minute? Apr 20 19:17:40 lcuk: only if the code is bad ;) Apr 20 19:17:43 or depends on Maemo Apr 20 19:18:23 JvA, sure Apr 20 19:18:32 the code isnt bad :) its just grown up entirely in maemo on my device for maemo itself Apr 20 19:18:32 luke-jr, want liqbase? Apr 20 19:18:36 slonopotamus: what? Apr 20 19:18:39 VDVsx: ID = google/gsoc2009, does that mean I got accepted? Apr 20 19:19:02 VDVsx: Because the gsoc page is like error 500 4 times of 5 atm Apr 20 19:19:05 slonopotamus, did you make a build of the current garage release? Apr 20 19:19:09 But I saw a lot of new menus coming up Apr 20 19:19:13 and does it work? Apr 20 19:19:16 luke-jr, of what? Apr 20 19:19:20 slonopotamus: ⁇? Apr 20 19:19:39 luke-jr, again funky symbols :) Apr 20 19:19:45 slonopotamus: fix your client! Apr 20 19:20:06 JvA, maemo accepted students here: http://socghop.appspot.com/org/home/google/gsoc2009/maemo Apr 20 19:20:09 luke-jr, wait a bit, i boot gnome and use charmap to attack you with all power of utf-8! Apr 20 19:20:14 muahaha Apr 20 19:20:35 The server encountered an error and could not complete your request. Apr 20 19:20:39 VDVsx: Apr 20 19:21:49 lcuk, liqbase doesn't have any maemo-specific code, isn't it? Apr 20 19:22:06 lcuk, at least you didn't write it deliberately? Apr 20 19:22:08 slono, yeah the released 0.1.5 does, theres less in the new one Apr 20 19:22:13 but its not entirely maemo-free Apr 20 19:22:23 luke-jr, blame google :P eheheheh Apr 20 19:22:35 slonopotamus, do you know a cross platform way to access pressure information? Apr 20 19:22:47 omg Apr 20 19:22:52 VDVsx: Maemo news… "I'm a daddy!" O.o Apr 20 19:23:01 !!! Apr 20 19:23:07 that's insane Apr 20 19:23:23 luke-jr, maemo planet feed Apr 20 19:23:30 i wanna post 'my doggie made a poop yesterday!' Apr 20 19:23:46 luke-jr, do you know who konttori is? Apr 20 19:23:51 no Apr 20 19:24:09 Kids these days. . . . Apr 20 19:24:16 konttori is office in Finnish Apr 20 19:24:18 … Apr 20 19:24:22 GeneralAntilles: who's a kid? Apr 20 19:24:52 VDVsx, thanks for the help :) Apr 20 19:25:02 GeneralAntilles, whoever he is, that post doesn't have any relation o maemo Apr 20 19:25:06 VDVsx: Ok, I suppose I'll have to be luckier next year :) Apr 20 19:25:11 s/ o / to / Apr 20 19:25:11 slonopotamus meant: GeneralAntilles, whoever he is, that post doesn't have any relation to maemo Apr 20 19:25:38 It's a community, slonopotamus. Apr 20 19:26:00 that's why i say that :) Apr 20 19:26:02 luke-jr, konttori OSS work: http://konttoristhoughts.blogspot.com/2008/11/ukmp-183-released-to-repositories.html Apr 20 19:26:04 GeneralAntilles: so we get to post every time we have a kid? :D Apr 20 19:26:22 luke-jr, after you release a working program Apr 20 19:26:24 if it was his personal blog, he could post whatever he wants Apr 20 19:26:28 rkirti, np, congrats Apr 20 19:26:33 johnx: I have plenty of working programs. Apr 20 19:26:34 slonopotamus, it's Planet. Apr 20 19:26:38 but it is community Apr 20 19:26:45 luke-jr, and you announce them on maemo planet? Apr 20 19:26:48 johnx: no Apr 20 19:26:52 Well... Apr 20 19:26:54 well, then ... Apr 20 19:27:01 and posting unrelated texts means disrespect to community Apr 20 19:27:14 slonopotamus, I'm assuming you're familiar with the concept for a planet http://planet.maemo.org/ Apr 20 19:27:16 If it was news bout "hey, I bought a new TV!" then you can argue Apr 20 19:27:22 But dude, it's a baby! Apr 20 19:27:24 wazd++ Apr 20 19:27:28 also, hi wazd :) Apr 20 19:27:31 slonopotamus: nah, I think it'd be ok except then everyone wants to post about their kids and it gets overwhelming Apr 20 19:27:31 Who fucking cares! Apr 20 19:28:03 damn. please make a post for my gaughter ~ in late july. Apr 20 19:28:07 konttori's a bigger contributor to the community than either of you. Apr 20 19:28:12 s/ga/da/ Apr 20 19:28:12 slonopotamus meant: damn. please make a post for my daughter ~ in late july. Apr 20 19:28:24 johnx: heya, long time no see :) Apr 20 19:28:37 GeneralAntilles: I didn't see anything useful at that link Apr 20 19:28:42 wazd, seems we've both been having adventures lately. Apr 20 19:29:10 luke-jr, you don't use Maemo anyway, so what do you care? Apr 20 19:29:22 GeneralAntilles: oh, non-Maemo users are excluded from the community? Apr 20 19:29:32 w.t.f. Apr 20 19:29:42 slonopotamus: guess we have to go be our own 4-person community :< Apr 20 19:29:55 luke-jr, 4? Apr 20 19:30:00 slonopotamus: no? Apr 20 19:30:05 luke-jr, i only know 3 Apr 20 19:30:18 wasn't there an even older Gentoo-on-N810 attempt? Apr 20 19:30:25 or is that guy one of you? :p Apr 20 19:30:37 luke-jr, us and fauxmight/nosocomia/christendoc Apr 20 19:30:42 hm Apr 20 19:30:45 s/ch/cr/ Apr 20 19:30:46 slonopotamus meant: luke-jr, us and fauxmight/nosocomia/crristendoc Apr 20 19:31:12 luke-jr, he has many names :) Apr 20 19:31:15 i c Apr 20 19:31:27 luke-jr, I'm assuming it surprises you because you don't know how the news selection works. Apr 20 19:31:37 hehe Apr 20 19:31:43 even i know Apr 20 19:31:47 :) Apr 20 19:31:48 Popular news items are promoted when _community_ members heart them. Apr 20 19:31:56 nah Apr 20 19:32:05 GeneralAntilles: I just think if everyone posted when they had a kid, there'd be a kid post every few days Apr 20 19:32:08 oh, it's rating based Apr 20 19:32:14 I guess that's saner Apr 20 19:32:20 but how does the list of what to promote is created? Apr 20 19:32:23 luke-jr, thumb it and get over it. Apr 20 19:32:28 johnx: yep, guess so :) Apr 20 19:32:35 luke-jr, please look at planet ubuntu, planet gnome ...... and you will see Apr 20 19:32:42 VDVsx: I don't like either Apr 20 19:32:46 slonopotamus, um, you do understand how planets, work, right? Apr 20 19:33:04 As neither of you seem to get how the system works, there isn't much point in arguing until you do. Apr 20 19:33:18 most planets orbit a larger mass IIRC Apr 20 19:33:21 ☺ Apr 20 19:33:26 GeneralAntilles: btw, rating is slightly unfair Apr 20 19:33:28 planets orbit the sun Apr 20 19:33:37 lol Apr 20 19:33:41 lcuk: let's not get into technicalities Apr 20 19:33:45 wazd, why ? Apr 20 19:33:45 heh Apr 20 19:33:48 wazd, get more people to rate and averages will work better. Apr 20 19:34:00 GeneralAntilles: for example news with 10 hearts and 1 thumb never be shown on the mainpage Apr 20 19:34:21 planets are in a delicate orbiting balance where the big fucking sun barely moves anywhere whilst the little ass planet goes for miles Apr 20 19:34:27 wazd, I don't think that's true. Apr 20 19:34:41 GeneralAntilles: think again :) Apr 20 19:34:57 lcuk, they're also imperiled by scientists who want to change them from planets to big rocks Apr 20 19:35:09 anyway. it isn't end of world. but looks completely unrelated. Apr 20 19:35:14 GeneralAntilles: I really saw some weird examples and noticed that thing Apr 20 19:35:24 or from evil tyranical overlords who want to make big planets into little rocks also Apr 20 19:36:13 wazd, short of diving into the code, X-Fade or bergie would have to confirm that one way or the other. Apr 20 19:36:21 lcuk: Sol moves quite a bit, but really, why must we go into details? :;p Apr 20 19:37:08 sun moved a long way today Apr 20 19:37:11 an oracle told me Apr 20 19:37:35 wazd, in the mean time, I'm not inclined to trust the anecdotes. Apr 20 19:38:28 GeneralAntilles: trust noone, mr. GeneralAntilles :) Apr 20 19:38:58 wazd: It also help if you add it to delicious. Apr 20 19:39:09 wazd: at least originally a thumb down was worth some 5 hearts Apr 20 19:39:11 wazd: As it also fetches thumbs from there. Apr 20 19:39:34 but we played with the settings since, so I don't remember how it exactly goes without looking at maemo.org config (not code :-) Apr 20 19:40:05 heh its the horses mouth Apr 20 19:40:14 X-Fade: didn't know :) Apr 20 19:40:14 as X-Fade said, we also take into account delicious, digg, and possible blog links (as found by technorati) Apr 20 19:40:30 ranking is based on digg? Apr 20 19:40:44 lcuk: we use that as one of the factors Apr 20 19:40:48 gotta digg, gotta digg, gotta digg... Apr 20 19:40:50 my original blog post has more info: http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/maemo_social_news_launched/ Apr 20 19:41:01 excellent Apr 20 19:41:05 thx Apr 20 19:41:24 * qwerty12_N800 buries wazd in the ground :P Apr 20 19:42:07 Karma based thumbs ;) The higher the voter's karma the more impact? :D Apr 20 19:42:08 heh, sometimes I think I blog only so that I can later answer questions by just giving a link ;-) Apr 20 19:42:48 qwerty12_N800: why?) Good song :P Apr 20 19:43:15 wazd: don't like your rendition :P Apr 20 19:44:44 X-Fade, wielding the power to make or destroy blogs? Sounds fun. Apr 20 19:44:45 qwerty12_N800: aww( Apr 20 19:49:10 yeah, currently having high karma doesn't yield many benefits Apr 20 19:49:18 but it could be used to affect such things Apr 20 19:49:24 X-Fade: thanks for fixing git.maaemo.org Apr 20 19:49:54 suihkulokki: Yeah, decided to get it over with ;) Apr 20 19:50:01 bergie: You mean I can't trade my karma for a mansion? :( Apr 20 19:50:31 * v6sa thanks Maemo for choosing me :P Apr 20 19:50:38 well, we already built website where you can trade naughty pictures on the web to credit card credit, so that would be the next logical step :-D Apr 20 19:50:44 I was thinking we could have them redeemable for service credits with X-Fade. Apr 20 19:51:24 100 karma points gets X-Fade to do your laundry, etc. Apr 20 19:53:56 * Jaffa worried where GeneralAntilles was going after "naughty pictures" led to X-Fade's "services" Apr 20 19:54:22 Get your mind out of the gutter, Jaffa. Apr 20 19:54:48 Difficult - it's got a resident's parking permit Apr 20 19:55:10 Jaffa: Not sure what to think of that.... Apr 20 19:55:17 Hahaha Apr 20 19:56:25 * qwerty12_N800 notices X-Fade hasn't disagreed with GeneralAntilles' laundry idea Apr 20 19:59:50 X-Fade: be offended, by very offended Apr 20 20:00:43 hi guys Apr 20 20:00:56 hi kpel Apr 20 20:01:49 re Apr 20 20:13:28 i love mytube Apr 20 20:14:08 Tried digia@scene (if you have space for Qt)? Apr 20 20:17:25 <95 €35 5€ Apr 20 20:17:33 not yet ty Apr 20 20:17:47 what would it cost to pay someone to put fmopl or sb16 on omap2420 dsp? Apr 20 20:18:18 i bet we could get €1k donations Apr 20 20:19:06 ask lardman and see how much he charges :p Apr 20 20:19:37 the dosbox devs already did a lot of work for u Apr 20 20:19:46 two new core Apr 20 20:20:24 i found one pro who refuses to touch ti dsp Apr 20 20:20:55 bbl skyping Apr 20 20:23:18 pupnik: dosbox has fmopl afaik Apr 20 20:24:30 i think qbix and harieket just wrote new fmopl cores Apr 20 20:25:02 maybe 2x as fast - int/float instead of lookup tables Apr 20 20:25:23 slonopotamus: It's quite common practice to post especially first childs on the community planets. I would not have done so in the planet gnome, as I don't participate in it so much, but, as I've been quite active with maemo, and many in the community know me, it's suitable to do as I've done Apr 20 20:25:28 moving them to dsp would massively help cache speed Apr 20 20:27:11 ah, I missed the dsp part Apr 20 20:27:35 pupnik but there are too few people who can really prog dsp Apr 20 20:29:22 It's too bad Apr 20 20:29:36 But the manufacturers are to blame Apr 20 20:29:42 Hopefully it'll be better this generation, though. Apr 20 20:31:22 you know we have a finished amiga emu that is like - not in extras? kotzarny's work Apr 20 20:31:24 konttori, congrats :) Apr 20 20:31:35 johnx: thanks! Apr 20 20:32:09 Hello all, is it necessary to install the closed-binaries from Nokia to developt to fremantle? Apr 20 20:33:12 pupnik: he's gone to sleep now, but you can catch him in #liqbase Apr 20 20:36:02 ive got issues now - no time Apr 20 20:36:22 but i want to still make things happpen Apr 20 20:36:38 and ill arrange for things Apr 20 20:38:42 aw, no mainlining kernel in gsoc? Apr 20 20:39:12 StsN800: that 464 keycode is a real PITA :< Apr 20 20:39:44 and wtf with the overweight of canola projects Apr 20 20:40:03 lol Apr 20 20:40:29 i'm glad to see rkirti there though Apr 20 20:40:42 Seriously. Canola OS. Apr 20 20:40:53 .. Apr 20 20:40:57 StsN800, thank you :) Apr 20 20:41:05 StsN800, for that comment. Apr 20 20:41:06 etrunko, there's no denying your secret plan now! Apr 20 20:41:08 waste of good money Apr 20 20:41:38 * etrunko hides Apr 20 20:41:40 ah right Apr 20 20:41:41 gsoc Apr 20 20:41:45 let me see Apr 20 20:41:51 Canola is going to be the GUI emacs Apr 20 20:42:09 it's going to look awesome running on my secret project :> Apr 20 20:42:11 rkirti, yeah - you seem capable Apr 20 20:42:15 * johnx puts his head back down Apr 20 20:42:48 * GAN800 hits the hole. Apr 20 20:42:54 * GAN800 sucks at Whack-a-johnx Apr 20 20:43:58 * johnx heads AFK in search of lunch and/or more CPUs to take over Apr 20 20:44:21 sts wahah du have a handy link? Apr 20 20:44:35 but seriously - why the overweight of canola stufg? Apr 20 20:45:00 woglinde, http://socghop.appspot.com/org/home/google/gsoc2009/maemo Apr 20 20:45:28 StsN800, because people see it as place where they can do a manageable amount of work and see immediate graphical results Apr 20 20:45:33 kernel hacking isn't sexy Apr 20 20:45:40 mm Apr 20 20:46:16 oh the last is intresting Apr 20 20:46:29 and florian is mentor Apr 20 20:46:45 re Apr 20 20:46:49 yeah - rkirti Apr 20 20:47:27 it will help put maemo/hildon on more devices Apr 20 20:47:29 * rkirti is just so lucky for that :) Apr 20 20:47:33 johnx: it depends... kernel hacking can be sexy Apr 20 20:47:44 will look forward to results of that Apr 20 20:47:55 rkirti if you need some help you can ask me too Apr 20 20:47:57 florian, to some people it is, but I was trying to offer a more mainstream PoV Apr 20 20:48:11 johnx: :-) Apr 20 20:48:26 * johnx wishes his kernel compile would hurry up Apr 20 20:49:21 ah cool libva integration for vlc was accpeted to Apr 20 20:49:39 woglinde, thank you. Apr 20 20:49:51 IM from within Canola Apr 20 20:50:37 Kinda sucks to be superseding rtcomm Apr 20 20:50:39 what a shame xorg got only 4 Apr 20 20:50:44 Be better if it hooked into rtcomm Apr 20 20:51:08 johnx: I do mostly kernel porting for several months now. In fact I would like to do some application development now :) Apr 20 20:51:53 florian, heh. variety is nice :) Apr 20 21:22:34 hey there, I'm trying to fix my bluetooth pairing problems Apr 20 21:22:50 by following these instructions http://www.internettablettalk.com/wiki/index.php/FAQs,_Problems_and_Solutions#Bluetooth_device_not_pairing_after_a_reboot_or_reflash Apr 20 21:23:15 but it seems that there isn't a "trusts" file to be cat'd Apr 20 21:27:50 Chaps, are there any VM Gurus in here?) Apr 20 21:28:36 wazd: maybe, what's the question? Apr 20 21:28:56 * Robot101 has used Xen a lot and libvirt/kvm more recently Apr 20 21:28:58 Software detects that i run it in VM Apr 20 21:29:13 and stops running, calls mom :) Apr 20 21:29:43 Can I somehow avoid that stuff? Apr 20 21:29:52 etrunko, \o congrats on so many students, but why didnt you get one to make a media player, canola would be perfect for one :P Apr 20 21:30:38 wazd: pass, I have no idea. most VM technologies make no secret they're virtualised, like they return CPU/system IDs like "KVM virtual CPU" and such Apr 20 21:30:58 wazd: depends what mechanism is being used to detect the virtualisation, and what virtualisation technology is being used Apr 20 21:31:11 VMWare Apr 20 21:31:24 mechanism - dunno :( Apr 20 21:31:25 wazd: depending how ninja you are, and how ninja the software you're trying to crack is, you can get a decompiler going on it Apr 20 21:31:49 I'm Ninja from Beverley Hills :D Apr 20 21:32:13 tooks like http://code.google.com/p/ospy/ can help for finding certain function calls and returning more... appealing values :) Apr 20 21:36:19 thanks :) Apr 20 21:41:29 s/took/tool/, lol Apr 20 21:41:56 fool of a took! Apr 20 21:50:55 wazd, what are you trying to run inside a vm Apr 20 21:51:30 Game client :) Apr 20 21:51:35 XP Apr 20 21:51:58 you sound like b-man Apr 20 21:52:55 games have very special eulas to stop you from pirating them :P Apr 20 21:53:07 and code to back them up Apr 20 21:53:26 which are you trying to play? Apr 20 21:53:27 lcuk: well, the client is free :) Apr 20 21:53:39 but the games on it arent :P Apr 20 21:53:46 i gather you are on about the hot water on Apr 20 21:53:47 e Apr 20 21:53:48 lcuk: but it doesn't allow to run multiple windows on 1 machine Apr 20 21:53:48 wazd, steam ? Apr 20 21:53:59 (hint: steam is cracked to hell) Apr 20 21:54:32 obviously wazd is a litter further than hell Apr 20 21:54:43 VDVsx: nope, Lineage II :) Apr 20 21:56:00 wazd, and what error/behavior you got in the VM? Apr 20 21:57:04 VDVsx: "Sorry, this app couldn't be ran in VM" :) Apr 20 21:57:44 wazd, lol, Why ? don't make any sense to me :( Apr 20 21:57:48 pretty clear to me Apr 20 21:57:52 lol Apr 20 21:57:53 wazd: there was a thread on russian steam forum using wine (yes, it exists for windows, oddly) to run two steam clients in windows Apr 20 21:58:17 hmmm) Apr 20 21:59:21 wine is powerful stuff - it passed genuine advantage check for a while without cracks :) Apr 20 22:00:26 qwerty12_N800: thanks! Apr 20 22:00:41 qwerty12_N800: btw, why are you surfing russian forums all the time?) Apr 20 22:02:09 Oh, I find Russians to be very resourceful & Russian forums to be a great source of info (with google translate). Besides, this particular forum had an English section :p **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Apr 20 22:13:28 2009 Apr 20 22:26:00 johnx are you there? Apr 20 22:26:44 sdk hardy desktop is in 2 part....so how i extract properly the image? Apr 20 22:31:34 hey, is anyone with bluetooth expertise around? Apr 20 22:33:18 sdk hardy desktop is in 2 part....so how i extract properly the image? Apr 20 22:34:06 labaudio, hardy desktop? Apr 20 22:34:19 yes Apr 20 22:34:29 sdk hardy desktop Apr 20 22:34:48 i didnt mishear you (irc is good like that) i just didnt know what it was in relation to maemo Apr 20 22:35:51 wow, summer classes suck Apr 20 22:35:55 Maemo Diablo Ubuntu Hardy Desktop virtual SDK image Apr 20 22:36:14 comes in 2 ziped files Apr 20 22:36:28 how to properly extract then Apr 20 22:36:40 its full maemo topic here i think Apr 20 22:41:09 no clue lcuk? Apr 20 22:41:23 no sorry Apr 20 22:41:29 ok Apr 20 22:41:47 try itt Apr 20 22:53:46 sdk hardy desktop is in 2 part....so how i extract properly the image? Apr 20 23:24:03 is anyone able to build valgrind for maemo in a scratchbox for me please? :$ Apr 20 23:24:25 and would anyone know of a reason why i couldnt use it Apr 20 23:38:19 lcuk, I think I saw some maemo wiki pages about valgrind Apr 20 23:39:24 gulp Apr 20 23:39:31 i think ill just follow my hunch lol Apr 20 23:39:39 VDVsx, thanks i saw Apr 20 23:53:17 sdk hardy desktop is in 2 part....so how i extract properly the image? Apr 21 00:51:13 can diablo do wpa2 wireless connections? Apr 21 00:51:49 (my attempt so far failed, but might be something else) Apr 21 00:52:42 some tipes. wpa2 psk appears to be no problem Apr 21 00:53:46 hm Apr 21 00:54:32 psk? Apr 21 00:54:40 oh, I see Apr 21 00:55:36 hm, don't think so - it's the university network Apr 21 00:56:00 and you just use your uni-id/password to log in Apr 21 00:56:45 but I've never needed to use it before, so ... might need to be enabled or something (although I don't think so) Apr 21 00:57:36 pre-shared key I think it means Apr 21 00:57:40 the normal kind you find on home routers Apr 21 00:57:42 or are you at a college or something? Apr 21 00:58:01 yeah Apr 21 00:58:21 always used cable with the computers, though Apr 21 00:58:36 so I never seriously tried to use their wireless net Apr 21 00:59:15 it's either wpa2 or an unencrypted connection and you've got to use a vpn to reach anything Apr 21 01:07:12 do you use eduroam? Apr 21 01:07:33 ignorance is bliss :) Apr 21 01:07:56 does your school have a page with explanation/instructions about the network? Apr 21 01:08:04 yeah Apr 21 01:08:27 and that seemed to include all important information Apr 21 01:08:59 oh, no, not eudoram (never heard of it before) Apr 21 01:09:23 well, I'm a little busy/distracted right now, but if you post a link to that page, people might have suggestions for you (or they might not) Apr 21 01:09:59 I've got a lot to explore right now :) Apr 21 01:10:14 got that thing today - but of course would be much funnier with net Apr 21 01:10:31 well... will see how it goes at home Apr 21 01:12:46 this one is for xp http://www.it.northwestern.edu/oncampus/wireless/wireless-connections/wireless-win.html Apr 21 01:12:56 seemed to cover most things Apr 21 01:13:02 so didn't check out the vista one Apr 21 01:13:37 aaah, with PEAP Apr 21 01:13:53 have you checked for any info on itt? Apr 21 01:13:54 ~itt Apr 21 01:13:55 methinks itt is the forums on internettablettalk.com ( http://internettablettalk.com/forums ) Apr 21 01:14:16 well, the 'connection manager' on this device does offer peap as an option Apr 21 01:14:44 IIRC, there's kind of a trick to it or something Apr 21 01:14:55 heh, that sounds hopeful Apr 21 01:15:14 not that I get much signal in my office anyway :( Apr 21 01:15:38 but something is better than nothing Apr 21 01:17:35 johnx, cool, thanks seems there's a thread for it ... Apr 21 01:29:00 well, this is it http://internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12343&highlight=maemo+peap&page=2 Apr 21 01:29:16 will check the links after dinner to see if there's a solution Apr 21 01:29:32 might help to get the certificate (there should be one...) Apr 21 01:35:31 Hi, guys Apr 21 01:35:41 hello Apr 21 01:36:43 How to debug Home plugins in N810? Apr 21 01:36:58 i'm developing with Python now. Apr 21 02:04:34 shoot Apr 21 02:27:09 hey folks Apr 21 02:27:18 heyy Apr 21 02:28:15 would someone with a scratchbox setup handy mind doing me a quick favour? I need a binary of fanoush's kbdd with the elektex patch, and I don't have access to my build server at the moment Apr 21 02:29:04 for some reason, the only binary on the site doesn't include that :S Apr 21 02:30:35 jaem: sorry, dont have scratchbox :( Apr 21 02:30:48 hmm Apr 21 02:31:00 itT post says the binary should include that, but I didn't see it Apr 21 02:31:01 hrm Apr 21 02:31:04 * jaem doublechecks Apr 21 02:33:13 huh Apr 21 02:33:20 I could swear it wasn't there before Apr 21 02:33:23 * jaem is crazy Apr 21 02:33:28 * zakkm agrees Apr 21 02:35:15 hello Freddy Apr 21 02:35:25 hey Apr 21 02:36:12 ~burn himself Apr 21 02:36:13 * infobot pours gasoline all over himself, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze Apr 21 02:36:13 watch what?? Apr 21 02:36:25 lol Apr 21 02:36:54 woot! Apr 21 02:36:57 it works Apr 21 02:37:08 yup :) Apr 21 02:37:09 * jaem just got a fabric keyboard in the mail Apr 21 02:38:17 fabric keyboard? Apr 21 02:38:38 infobot: kill himself Apr 21 02:38:39 * infobot shoots a magneto-ionized fluxelectron gun at himself Apr 21 02:38:46 lol Apr 21 02:39:15 heh Apr 21 02:39:19 Can anybody tell me how to debug home plugins in N810? Apr 21 02:39:23 infobot: kill himself Apr 21 02:39:25 * zakkm learns he isnt able to attend the autodesk event in 8 hours, due to lack of time /sleep Apr 21 02:39:25 * infobot shoots a magneto-ionized neutrino gun at himself Apr 21 02:40:05 infobot: blowup Apr 21 02:40:09 Sorry it's not maemo related, but has anyone had success with Ubuntu on an external card? Apr 21 02:40:17 infobot: blow up Apr 21 02:40:18 * infobot blows up Apr 21 02:40:18 spcui, not entirely sure if this would work, but maybe try running strace on hildon-desktop in scratchbox? Apr 21 02:40:37 kcowolf: whats not working about it? Apr 21 02:40:39 i'm developing with python Apr 21 02:40:40 infobot: Apr 21 02:40:47 infobot Apr 21 02:41:00 hi guys! Apr 21 02:41:05 well, I think I finally got the bootmenu item correct, but every time I try to start it up it crashes Apr 21 02:41:09 :P Apr 21 02:41:29 kcowolf: the tablet stops working? just shows nokia logo and turns off? Apr 21 02:41:47 hello Apr 21 02:42:10 It shows something like "booting Ubuntu Jaunty on external (mmcblk0p2)" for a few seconds, then blacks out and reboots Apr 21 02:42:29 kcowolf: what did you enter for the device name in the *.item? Apr 21 02:42:31 could i see bootmenu item? Apr 21 02:42:42 like all text in it, pastebin'd Apr 21 02:43:09 johnx: it hasnot /usr/share/applications/hildon-home dir in scratchbox. Apr 21 02:43:26 I've been playing with USB host on my N800 today, and I've managed to get hard drive and stick working... I just plugged in my logitech USB headset and it's being detected (Bus 001 Device 026: ID 046d:0a01 Logitech, Inc.) how do I got about setting it up? Apr 21 02:43:56 romeus1: doesnt automatically work out of box? Apr 21 02:44:29 zakkm: I wouldn't expect it to Apr 21 02:44:42 ohh usb Apr 21 02:44:47 I haven't checked, but USB audio isn't one of the things I would expect Nokia to compile in Apr 21 02:44:55 you'd need the kernel module, most likely Apr 21 02:44:56 yeah i was thinking of normal headphone jack Apr 21 02:45:00 and I'm afraid I can't help you there Apr 21 02:45:15 johnx: so i want to gdb home plugins app in N810. Apr 21 02:45:26 johnx is here? Apr 21 02:45:35 zakkm: http://pastebin.com/d1e70ff0c Apr 21 02:45:40 what would I have to do to get the kernel module for USB headsets? Apr 21 02:45:56 romeus1: more than its worth. Apr 21 02:46:08 lol Apr 21 02:46:15 zakkm: that depends on how much value romeus1 places on it Apr 21 02:46:16 kcowolf: partition 2? Apr 21 02:46:19 but it would be a lot of work Apr 21 02:46:26 and not easy Apr 21 02:46:30 infobot: you suck Apr 21 02:46:32 and very well I might add Apr 21 02:46:40 lol @ infobot Apr 21 02:46:51 haha Apr 21 02:47:01 romeus: why do you need a headset, it has builtin speaker and mic, just attach normal headphones for speaker purposes, and just use the builtin mic, its highly sensitive Apr 21 02:47:05 zakkm: that's what it is, not sure waht it should be Apr 21 02:47:20 kcowolf: did you install ubuntu to partition 2? Apr 21 02:47:24 hmm, lots of work and not easy - that's not a good combination Apr 21 02:47:41 zakkm: actually, that should be partition 3, shouldn't it? partition 2 is the swap Apr 21 02:47:49 so change it Apr 21 02:47:54 ITEM_DEVICE="${EXT_CARD}p3" Apr 21 02:47:55 I'll hit myself in the forehead if that's it Apr 21 02:48:06 * jaem 's CAPS_LOCK is locked Apr 21 02:48:10 kcowolf: it most likely is Apr 21 02:48:17 kcowolf: it would be. Apr 21 02:48:23 and I don't mean locked like a CAPS lock key should be Apr 21 02:48:25 kcowolf: reinstall bootloader after changing that. Apr 21 02:48:29 I mean locked into lock mode Apr 21 02:48:37 zakkm> I was trying out various mods today on my N800, I installed the 48mhz kernel mod for SDHC/MMC cards... I started playing with USB and wanted to see how far i could take it... could I plug a webcam into the usb? Apr 21 02:48:38 USB headsets are a headache, even on desktop Linux Apr 21 02:49:19 romeus1: i dont see the purpose for a true headset, just use a normal headphones for speaker.. and use the builtin mic, your be surprised how sensitive it is Apr 21 02:49:42 romeus1: as zakkm says, the internal mic is really good, considering Apr 21 02:49:43 yeah, it's actually pretty good, I've used it for skype calls quite a bit Apr 21 02:50:05 gah Apr 21 02:50:06 has anybody tried to attach a webcam to the n800? Apr 21 02:50:07 however, if you really want a headset, it probably could be done, but if you haven't messed around with the kernel before, it won't be pretty Apr 21 02:50:08 if you dont want people to hear the other end, guessing purpose you wanted headset, put in normal headphones Apr 21 02:50:10 loadkeys doesn't affect X11? :/ Apr 21 02:50:12 * kcowolf hits himself in the forehead Apr 21 02:50:37 * kcowolf briefly considers stabbing himself in the eye with his stylus, but decides against it Apr 21 02:50:44 romeus1: the tablet isnt as expandable as you might think ;p Apr 21 02:50:54 it's really cool, I was playing Neogeo games with a Saitek gamepad on it Apr 21 02:50:57 lol Apr 21 02:51:13 romeus1: 48mhz kernel mod for SDHC/MMC cards? Apr 21 02:51:28 zakkm: thanks for your help Apr 21 02:52:09 kcowolf: im sure thats it, it would boot off "swap" and then fail, and show blank.. but if something breaks after that fix or something do ask ;p Apr 21 02:52:10 luke-jr> yeah, it allows for faster read/write rates from SDHC/MMC cards... I believe the default kernel reads at about Class 2 speeds... the mod will allow for Class 6 apparently Apr 21 02:52:25 romeus1: oooooooh Apr 21 02:52:28 romeus1: POINTER PLZ Apr 21 02:52:42 romeus1: my root fs is on class 6 SD!@ Apr 21 02:52:54 heh Apr 21 02:53:02 luke-jr> http://intr.overt.org/blog/?p=71 Apr 21 02:53:05 fanoush does 48mhz doesnt he? Apr 21 02:53:20 btw, it is hilarious to see two trolls trying to troll each other Apr 21 02:53:21 fanoush does but this one is for the latest kernel Apr 21 02:53:33 okay, I got the "boot stalls after 99%" error mentioned on the forum Apr 21 02:53:37 romeus1: I suspect I will need to build my own kernel anyway Apr 21 02:53:57 kcowolf: you wait a while? that last 1% is the lnogest Apr 21 02:54:03 luke-jr> if you're using 5.2008.43 then it's really easy Apr 21 02:54:06 kcowolf: also wait like few min, take out battery, boot it again. Apr 21 02:54:16 romeus1: what's that? Apr 21 02:54:23 romeus1: care to share kernel link Apr 21 02:54:33 zakkm> http://intr.overt.org/5.2008.43-mmc-kernel/ Apr 21 02:55:15 pretty simple mod, but works great Apr 21 02:55:18 thank you Apr 21 02:55:23 my pleasure :) Apr 21 02:55:32 looks like the problem may be due to a missing desktop environment Apr 21 02:55:35 thank Philip Langdale Apr 21 02:55:47 kcowolf: you didnt install one? Apr 21 02:55:52 hrm Apr 21 02:56:06 do key click sounds not work with a BT keyboard, or is this just my problem? Apr 21 02:56:13 I only installed sys-env-base Apr 21 02:56:24 kcowolf: there ye go Apr 21 02:56:32 it finishes booting, but nothing loads Apr 21 02:56:35 b-man: you here? Apr 21 02:56:35 yeah Apr 21 02:56:58 kcowolf: you should download/install a environment/ wm .. and set .xinitrc accordingly Apr 21 02:57:01 wasn't sure exactly when I should install sys-env-x Apr 21 02:57:12 after base Apr 21 02:57:38 hello Apr 21 02:57:46 hey b-man Apr 21 02:57:48 . Apr 21 02:58:26 from the ubuntu startup can I get to a console and install it from there, or do I need to go back through maemo? Apr 21 02:58:45 btw, if you want 48mhz sdhc/mmc, screen rotation, and also bugfix for RNDIS and consitent mmc device names then you might want to consider > http://seas3.elte.hu/balihb/maemo/ (I haven't tried it yet) Apr 21 02:58:54 I think I'll try it now :) Apr 21 02:58:57 b-man; didnt get tty to show on ubuntu port? Apr 21 02:58:57 you should do it from maemo Apr 21 02:59:10 tty? Apr 21 02:59:17 console. Apr 21 02:59:36 console is functional Apr 21 02:59:56 splash goes over it? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Apr 21 02:59:57 2009