**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Apr 23 02:59:57 2009
Apr 23 03:03:58 <fuzzy> Can maemo support block disk encryption?
Apr 23 06:32:32 <kozak> Hi am trying to install maemo on Core2Dou with Ubuntu 8.10 but have a problem installing  scratchbox. Can someone tell me if there is a work around?
Apr 23 06:33:06 <johnx> only if you can say what the error is :)
Apr 23 06:33:23 <kozak> sure
Apr 23 06:33:49 <kozak> This is what it says ! "Currently Scratcbox can only run in 32 bit i386 architecture."
Apr 23 06:34:10 <johnx> ah, you're running ubuntu x86_64?
Apr 23 06:34:17 <kozak> yeah
Apr 23 06:34:51 <johnx> I thought someone had notes on how to force it to install, but I'm not sure where they are
Apr 23 06:35:19 <kozak> yeah I do see in the .sh that there is a -F option
Apr 23 06:35:25 <kozak> will try that
Apr 23 06:35:46 <kozak> Ok -F works ... I guess
Apr 23 06:36:04 <kozak> it has started downloading....
Apr 23 06:36:14 <inz> There are also scratchbox x86_64 debs
Apr 23 06:38:34 <inz> at http://www.ipi.fi/~pablo/
Apr 23 07:40:57 <Macer> hello
Apr 23 07:41:04 <Macer> Stskeeps: get it?
Apr 23 07:51:47 <Jaffa> Morning, all
Apr 23 08:10:03 <Macer> damn
Apr 23 08:10:11 <Macer> 239 for an n810 from tigerdirect new
Apr 23 08:10:16 <Macer> that's not bad at all
Apr 23 08:17:33 <RST38h> It is coming closer to the next tablet release...
Apr 23 08:18:58 <`0660> i guess everyone is now waiting for the next tablet release
Apr 23 08:20:16 <RST38h> Most "normal" consumer just bought themselves EEEs I suppose
Apr 23 08:20:21 <RST38h> s/consumer/consumers
Apr 23 08:20:40 <`0660> true
Apr 23 08:20:59 <`0660> they don't know what they miss :)
Apr 23 08:21:28 <RST38h> They are missing Modest and MicroB, for sure...
Apr 23 08:27:28 <RST38h> moo wazd
Apr 23 08:41:58 <RST38h> ...any attempted access to addresses on this list is blocked, logged (the draft seems to contradict press reports on this point) and redirected to a government page featuring a large stop sign...
Apr 23 09:05:18 <thux> morning
Apr 23 09:13:28 <Guest5437_331> dpkg-buildpackage: failure: fakeroot debian/rules clean gave error exit status 126
Apr 23 09:13:51 <Guest5437_331> any clue?
Apr 23 09:22:41 <RST38h> Guest: What is debian/rules?
Apr 23 09:23:15 <RST38h> Is it an executable file?
Apr 23 09:24:41 <Guest5437_331> yes is a script for make a deb
Apr 23 09:24:44 <Guest5437_331> #!/usr/bin/make -f
Apr 23 09:25:16 <RST38h> umgh
Apr 23 09:25:39 <RST38h> And why are you running make with root privileges?
Apr 23 09:26:03 <Guest5437_331> is not good?
Apr 23 09:26:08 <RST38h> Oh dpkg-buildpackage does it...
Apr 23 09:26:46 <RST38h> well, either way, you should open debian/rules in an editor, find the label "clean:" and look for errors there.
Apr 23 09:27:44 <Guest5437_331> clean: 	dh_testdir 	dh_testroot 	rm -f build-stamp  	rm -f install-stamp 	rm -f debian/files
Apr 23 09:27:59 <Guest5437_331> ?
Apr 23 09:28:09 <RST38h> No, no, I am not going to look for errors, you look for errors, ok?
Apr 23 09:28:20 <Guest5437_331> ok
Apr 23 10:23:25 <GeneralAntilles> dneary, ping?
Apr 23 10:35:21 <lardman> morning chaps
Apr 23 10:35:34 <lardman> GeneralAntilles: looks like you scared him off
Apr 23 10:35:47 <GeneralAntilles> I was going to talk to tekojo, too.
Apr 23 10:35:48 <GeneralAntilles> :P
Apr 23 10:36:21 <GeneralAntilles> Maybe X-Fade is awake?
Apr 23 10:36:28 <X-Fade> Lunch
Apr 23 10:36:33 <X-Fade>  /leave Lunch! :)
Apr 23 10:36:37 <GeneralAntilles> Lunch?!
Apr 23 10:36:55 <GeneralAntilles> You don't get to eat. I still have things to complain about!
Apr 23 10:37:01 <GeneralAntilles> Enjoy your lunch. :)
Apr 23 10:37:20 <lardman> yeah, with the thought that Ryan is going to give you an earful when you've finished! ;)
Apr 23 10:37:33 <X-Fade> GeneralAntilles: There is always the backscroll ;)
Apr 23 10:38:14 <GeneralAntilles> I'll just talk to lardman since everybody else here sucks.
Apr 23 10:38:19 <GeneralAntilles> lardman, how's life?
Apr 23 10:38:27 <lardman> very very busy, you?
Apr 23 10:38:43 <GeneralAntilles> At the moment, but finals will be done soon.
Apr 23 10:39:42 <lardman> I've got a review meeting next week, then wedding a month later, so still very busy
Apr 23 10:42:13 <lardman> stag do this weekend, not ideal timing
Apr 23 10:42:30 <lardman> no-one to blame but myself though :)
Apr 23 10:43:01 <GeneralAntilles> Hehe
Apr 23 10:43:35 <lardman> Are your finals the real deal, end of course?
Apr 23 10:43:57 <GeneralAntilles> Yeah, for this semester.
Apr 23 10:44:29 <lardman> how much longer do you have then? What year are you in?
Apr 23 10:44:49 <GeneralAntilles> Junior year
Apr 23 10:44:54 <GeneralAntilles> probably another year and a half
Apr 23 10:45:14 <lardman> hmm, /me doesn't know American terminology, sophomores and things
Apr 23 10:45:23 <lardman> sounds like a jellyfish ;)
Apr 23 10:45:30 <GeneralAntilles> 3rd year.
Apr 23 10:45:52 <lardman> What do you get, a Master's?
Apr 23 10:46:01 <GeneralAntilles> Bachelors
Apr 23 10:46:08 <lardman> ok
Apr 23 10:46:53 <GeneralAntilles> A councilor screwed me over by telling me to take an incorrect math class early on
Apr 23 10:47:15 <GeneralAntilles> then I screwed myself over by missing a final exam (Tuesday/Thursday thing) so I'm a little behind. ;)
Apr 23 10:47:54 <lardman> Ok, so you've repeated a year? Or is the system different over there, you have to do a certain number of courses over however long?
Apr 23 10:48:46 <GeneralAntilles> No, you have a certain number of credits you need to get to and a certain set of courses you need to complete and you just keep taking courses until you get there.
Apr 23 10:49:10 <lardman> ah ok, that's quite a good system
Apr 23 10:49:10 <GeneralAntilles> But as the rest of the CompSci track is highly math-dependent it set me back a bit.
Apr 23 10:49:29 <GeneralAntilles> Nice and fairly flexible.
Apr 23 10:49:52 <GeneralAntilles> Although it does give you a bit of rope to hang yourself with if you go too far off in left field in what you're taking.
Apr 23 10:50:13 <lardman> part of the learning experience hey? ;)
Apr 23 10:50:44 <GeneralAntilles> Most definitely.
Apr 23 10:50:53 * GeneralAntilles sighs.
Apr 23 10:51:06 <GeneralAntilles> A 1.8GHz G5 just doesn't cut it these days.
Apr 23 10:51:47 <lardman> 8-core?
Apr 23 10:51:58 <GeneralAntilles> Single CPU
Apr 23 10:52:02 <GeneralAntilles> I wish I had an 8-core.
Apr 23 10:52:15 <lardman> how many cores in your single cpu though?
Apr 23 10:52:19 <GeneralAntilles> Although I may get lucky when I take my 2x2.5GHz into the shop.
Apr 23 10:53:01 * lardman needs a new work PC, his P4 3GHz singlehandedly heats the office running all the time
Apr 23 10:53:15 <GeneralAntilles> Hehe
Apr 23 10:53:21 <GeneralAntilles> That's a nice feature during the winter.
Apr 23 10:53:43 <lardman> no way, I live in a glass room with no heating control, it's always too hot
Apr 23 10:53:54 <lardman> in fact we often run the aircon during the winter to bring the temp down
Apr 23 10:53:58 <GeneralAntilles> Hehe
Apr 23 10:58:44 <GeneralAntilles> An Android netbook sounds like the silliest thing ever.
Apr 23 10:59:14 <glass> is g1 still the only android thing really out?
Apr 23 10:59:35 <GeneralAntilles> I guess there's the G2 just out.
Apr 23 10:59:53 <glass> oh, it's hit the streets?
Apr 23 10:59:59 <GeneralAntilles> Dunno
Apr 23 11:00:08 <GeneralAntilles> I think so, but I haven't been paying very close attention.
Apr 23 11:18:53 <Woolly-work> morning, has anyone compiled opencv for maemo with python support?
Apr 23 11:26:13 <GeneralAntilles> bergie, ping?
Apr 23 11:26:21 <bergie> pong
Apr 23 11:26:50 <GeneralAntilles> bergie, do you happen to have a bug open for the Midgard toolbar not expanding when the font size increases?
Apr 23 11:27:08 <bergie> I don't, but please post
Apr 23 11:27:42 <GeneralAntilles> bergie, can I post a new ticket on trac.midgard-project.org?
Apr 23 11:28:12 <bergie> yes, please do
Apr 23 11:28:21 <bergie> these are best handled in the upstream tracker :-)
Apr 23 11:28:40 <GeneralAntilles> bergie, OK, wrong question, how do I register for an account to do that? :P
Apr 23 11:29:06 <bergie> GeneralAntilles: http://www.midgard-project.org/community/account/register/midgard_users/
Apr 23 11:29:19 <GeneralAntilles> Ah, OK.
Apr 23 11:29:47 <GeneralAntilles> bergie, you are also aware that dragging is broken on it, right?
Apr 23 11:29:59 <bergie> in Safari, right?
Apr 23 11:30:08 <GeneralAntilles> WebKit, yes.
Apr 23 11:31:02 <bergie> yep, that is a known issue
Apr 23 11:31:35 <GeneralAntilles> OK, it's just sort of floating uselessly right in the middle of things I'm trying to look at, so. ;)
Apr 23 11:32:06 <RST38h> Can this bug be restated as "get rid of the floating toolbar"? =)
Apr 23 11:32:26 <GeneralAntilles> bergie, it also selects text as I drag it in FF 3
Apr 23 11:32:30 <RST38h> Maybe replace it with a thin menu bar at the top of the page?
Apr 23 11:32:55 <GeneralAntilles> I'd go for that, but that's a lot of functionality to stuff into a menu bar.
Apr 23 11:32:58 <bergie> RST38h: there is a thin menu bar option, actually
Apr 23 11:33:12 <bergie> RST38h: we could try and see how that'd look on maemo.org
Apr 23 11:33:17 <RST38h> bergie: Any way to enable it? The floating thing bugs me, literally
Apr 23 11:33:33 <bergie> RST38h: at the moment this is a site-wide thing, "palette" or "menu"
Apr 23 11:35:30 <GeneralAntilles> bergie, doest trac take time to sync accounts or something?
Apr 23 11:36:34 <GeneralAntilles> s/doest/does/
Apr 23 11:36:35 <infobot> GeneralAntilles meant: bergie, does trac take time to sync accounts or something?
Apr 23 11:36:43 <bergie> yeah, I think there is some 15min delay
Apr 23 11:36:53 <bergie> it is quite similar setup to the current garage -> maemo.org sync
Apr 23 11:37:01 <GeneralAntilles> OK
Apr 23 11:37:04 <bergie> ...which we can hopefully replace with LDAP over summer :-)
Apr 23 11:38:28 <RST38h> bergie: but if I understand things correctly, the top-of-the-page menu can also be a site wide thing?
Apr 23 11:39:11 <bergie> yes
Apr 23 11:39:23 <bergie> we could test it on internal and then decide which way we want to use it
Apr 23 11:39:30 <bergie> *or* make it user-configurable
Apr 23 11:39:53 <GeneralAntilles> user-configurable would be good
Apr 23 11:39:58 <GeneralAntilles> Do you have a screenshot, though?
Apr 23 11:41:48 <bergie> GeneralAntilles: not ATM but I can take one on internal when I get to the office
Apr 23 11:42:12 <GeneralAntilles> bergie, that'd be excellent. Hard to make a decision when you don't know what one of your options looks like. ;)
Apr 23 11:43:40 <bergie> ok, if I don't send a screenshot in about one hour, remind me :-)
Apr 23 11:53:25 <GeneralAntilles> Occasionally getting "Fatal error: Call to a member function get_array() on a non-object in /mnt/netapp/pear/midcom/lib/midcom/helper/_styleloader.php(637) : eval()'d code on line 4" when I tried to edit pages.
Apr 23 11:55:47 <Macer> i hate wmv
Apr 23 11:56:01 <Woolly-work> has anyone managed to compile opencv in scratchbox?
Apr 23 11:56:05 <Macer> hm. is the new maemo up and running? :)
Apr 23 11:56:14 <Macer> heh
Apr 23 11:56:19 <GeneralAntilles> Yes
Apr 23 11:56:43 <GeneralAntilles> Hmm, we're getting some badly styled links here and there. . . .
Apr 23 11:56:47 <GeneralAntilles> Hirvinen, ping?
Apr 23 11:57:11 <Macer> er
Apr 23 11:57:18 <Macer> what's so "new" about it?
Apr 23 11:57:32 <GeneralAntilles> Er, you didn't capitalize the m, so I assumed maemo.org. ;)
Apr 23 11:57:37 <Jaffa> The total different style?
Apr 23 11:57:39 <GeneralAntilles> No, nothing new with Maemo 5.
Apr 23 11:58:04 <Macer> that is what i am talking abou tit
Apr 23 11:58:07 <Macer> about
Apr 23 11:58:11 <GeneralAntilles> Ah
Apr 23 11:58:13 <Macer> it doesn't look very "new"
Apr 23 11:58:13 <Macer> heh
Apr 23 11:58:16 <GeneralAntilles> Well, as Jaffa says, the new style.
Apr 23 11:58:20 <Macer> it's orange
Apr 23 11:58:22 <Macer> :)
Apr 23 11:58:52 <GeneralAntilles> OK, here's a game for everybody. Tell me how many links are in the two paragraphs on this page: http://maemo.org/community/irc/
Apr 23 11:59:56 <Macer> 8 in wiki
Apr 23 12:00:11 <Macer> 8 in talk
Apr 23 12:00:17 <GeneralAntilles> Macer, the RSS feeds are not paragraphs. :P
Apr 23 12:01:18 <Macer> 3\
Apr 23 12:01:21 <Macer> in the 2 paragraphs
Apr 23 12:01:29 <Macer> but you can't see them until you move your mouse over it
Apr 23 12:01:34 <GeneralAntilles> 4, actually.
Apr 23 12:01:36 <GeneralAntilles> But, yes.
Apr 23 12:01:46 <Macer> oh.. yeah.. there are 4 :)
Apr 23 12:02:02 <GeneralAntilles> Not sure why they're styled differently from the rest of the links on the site.
Apr 23 12:02:15 <GeneralAntilles> Another one, guess which <h3> you can click! http://maemo.org/support/
Apr 23 12:02:58 <Macer> heh.. sorry. going to eat ;)
Apr 23 12:03:04 <Macer> i just got home
Apr 23 12:03:19 * GeneralAntilles pokes X-Fade.
Apr 23 12:03:35 <X-Fade> Don't look at me.
Apr 23 12:04:06 * GeneralAntilles covers his eyes and waves a stick around in the air in X-Fade's general direction.
Apr 23 12:04:20 <Macer> i want to see how well this pch can play a damn wmv
Apr 23 12:04:23 <Macer> i hope it doesn't suck
Apr 23 12:04:32 <Macer> i hate people that use wmv to encode.. i wish they would all just die
Apr 23 12:04:40 <GeneralAntilles> Amen
Apr 23 12:04:46 <GeneralAntilles> Worse is Real Video, though.
Apr 23 12:04:47 * X-Fade promised to work on wiki styling today.
Apr 23 12:04:56 <X-Fade> So that is what I'm doing.
Apr 23 12:05:07 <GeneralAntilles> Or that one codec that's competing with h.264, but is Windows-only.
Apr 23 12:05:16 <GeneralAntilles> X-Fade, blah blah blah
Apr 23 12:05:26 <GeneralAntilles> X-Fade, is Hirvinen the one I can poke then? :P
Apr 23 12:05:43 <X-Fade> GeneralAntilles: Why would you poke him?
Apr 23 12:05:53 <GeneralAntilles> Who's working on general website bugs today?
Apr 23 12:06:03 <X-Fade> GeneralAntilles: Bugzilla.
Apr 23 12:06:04 <Macer> hm
Apr 23 12:06:08 <Macer> hard encoded subs too.. ugh
Apr 23 12:06:08 <GeneralAntilles> bleh
Apr 23 12:06:12 * GeneralAntilles pouts and files some more.
Apr 23 12:06:19 <Macer> looks like i'll be deleting 3 episodes of this eleventh hour crap
Apr 23 12:06:20 <X-Fade> GeneralAntilles: But the links issue is in there already.
Apr 23 12:06:25 <GeneralAntilles> Macer, I'm usually OK with those as long as it's not in English.
Apr 23 12:06:37 <Macer> haha
Apr 23 12:06:49 <Macer> draws your eyes to it and forces you to read it when it's english right? :)
Apr 23 12:06:56 <Macer> i have that same problem
Apr 23 12:06:58 <GeneralAntilles> Having an English movie with hardcodded English subs is infuriating though
Apr 23 12:07:03 <Jaffa> I'd rather stuff used RealVideo than anything else - then I can watch it on my tablet
Apr 23 12:07:09 <Macer> hahaha
Apr 23 12:07:15 <Macer> it's like closed caption television :)
Apr 23 12:07:20 <GeneralAntilles> Jaffa, I can watch DivX on my table.
Apr 23 12:07:26 <GeneralAntilles> s/table/tablet/
Apr 23 12:07:26 <infobot> GeneralAntilles meant: Jaffa, I can watch DivX on my tablet.
Apr 23 12:07:37 * GeneralAntilles only wishes he had one of those awesome multitouch tables.
Apr 23 12:07:43 <Macer> higher res video on the tablet sucks
Apr 23 12:08:02 <Macer> even stuff that is normal standard def
Apr 23 12:08:23 <GeneralAntilles> I usually prefer hardcoded subs when I'm going to need them since the subtitle renders in all of the video playback software I use absolutely suck ass.
Apr 23 12:08:24 <Macer> i always wound up encoding it as mp4 with an ipod profile to get them to play correctly without stuttering at all
Apr 23 12:08:47 <Macer> haha
Apr 23 12:08:51 <GeneralAntilles> I don't get why it's impossible to render subtitles at native resolution instead of video resolution.
Apr 23 12:08:59 <GeneralAntilles> Apple's DVD player can do it.
Apr 23 12:09:08 <Jaffa> GeneralAntilles: Not many websites put streaming DivX up
Apr 23 12:09:10 <Macer> because it is a cruel cruel world :)
Apr 23 12:09:20 <GeneralAntilles> Jaffa, who's talking about streaming?
Apr 23 12:09:21 <Macer> yeah. most use flash
Apr 23 12:09:25 <Macer> :)
Apr 23 12:09:28 <Jaffa> GeneralAntilles: You know how DVD subtitles work?
Apr 23 12:09:46 <Macer> GeneralAntilles: some players just suck
Apr 23 12:09:57 <Macer> pch works really well for subs with mkv
Apr 23 12:09:58 <GeneralAntilles> Jaffa, magic?
Apr 23 12:10:14 <Jaffa> GeneralAntilles: 1-bit bitmaps :)
Apr 23 12:10:16 <Macer> they don't look bad at all. i think the pch itself handles the rendering .. who knows :)
Apr 23 12:10:21 <Macer> ah well.. bbl
Apr 23 12:10:35 <GeneralAntilles> Jaffa, yeah, but what about .srt and VLC?
Apr 23 12:10:54 <GeneralAntilles> That should just be able to use nice text rendering, but that seems like it's impossible.
Apr 23 12:17:26 <GeneralAntilles> Anybody else having trouble with comments?
Apr 23 12:28:46 <andre__> hmm. i dislike missing bugmail. grumble.
Apr 23 12:31:07 <Khertan> Hello !
Apr 23 12:31:11 <GeneralAntilles> Is anybody working on the bugzilla templates yet?
Apr 23 12:31:37 <GeneralAntilles> 'morning, Khertan.
Apr 23 12:35:23 <Khertan> 'morning GeneralAntilles
Apr 23 12:41:53 <lardman> ~lart Windows for being really crap when not rebooted
Apr 23 12:41:53 * infobot plops Windows into a giant vat of herring for being really crap when not rebooted
Apr 23 12:42:24 <Khertan> ~lart lardman for using windows
Apr 23 12:42:24 * infobot eats lardman and falls over dead for using windows
Apr 23 12:42:46 <lardman> ~lart lardman's work for only having Windows based software
Apr 23 12:42:46 * infobot judo chops lardman's work for only having Windows based software
Apr 23 12:44:03 <lardman> bbiab
Apr 23 13:07:01 <andre__> GeneralAntilles, not me
Apr 23 13:38:46 <Woolly-work> has anyone compiled opencv for maemo?
Apr 23 13:54:21 * man_in_ltop waves
Apr 23 13:55:44 <man_in_ltop> so i got myself a nokia n810 :)
Apr 23 13:55:53 <man_in_ltop> just downloading diablo for it
Apr 23 13:57:12 <mgedmin> doesn't it come with diablo?
Apr 23 13:57:32 <mgedmin> maybe not with the latest latest version
Apr 23 13:57:50 <man_in_ltop> apparently not
Apr 23 13:57:54 <GeneralAntilles> mgedmin, no.
Apr 23 13:57:57 <GeneralAntilles> Chinook.
Apr 23 13:58:08 <GeneralAntilles> Nokia's been a little laggard in updating the manufactured units.
Apr 23 13:58:15 <man_in_ltop> yeah, 2.2 or something
Apr 23 13:58:25 <mgedmin> wait... chinook is os2007, diablo is os2008, right?
Apr 23 13:58:34 <mgedmin> wasn't os2008 released at the same time as n810?
Apr 23 13:58:35 <man_in_ltop> yeah
Apr 23 13:58:41 <man_in_ltop> looks like it
Apr 23 13:58:46 <GeneralAntilles> mgedmin, Bora, Chinook, Diablo.
Apr 23 13:59:33 <man_in_ltop> either way, this thing doesn't have diablo :D
Apr 23 13:59:38 * mgedmin no longer knows which is which
Apr 23 14:00:01 <GeneralAntilles> http://wiki.maemo.org/Codenames
Apr 23 14:00:04 <GeneralAntilles> Bora was OS2007
Apr 23 14:00:15 <GeneralAntilles> Chinook was OS2008.0, Diablo was OS2008.1
Apr 23 14:00:17 <parazitus> man_in_ltop: just out of curiosity, how much it costed?
Apr 23 14:00:18 <man_in_ltop> so, i don't suppose anyone knows a way to get WPA-EAP-TTLS/PAP support? :)
Apr 23 14:00:30 <man_in_ltop> au$545
Apr 23 14:00:44 <GeneralAntilles> Yeesh
Apr 23 14:00:58 <parazitus> wow, too much..
Apr 23 14:01:12 <man_in_ltop> heh
Apr 23 14:01:13 <locutus> i paid 0 EUR for mine :)
Apr 23 14:01:31 <man_in_ltop> too much for something that doesn't have the EAP inner auth i need :(
Apr 23 14:02:01 <Khertan> man_in_ltop: lol
Apr 23 14:02:11 <mgedmin> ouch
Apr 23 14:02:15 <man_in_ltop> i'm not kidding
Apr 23 14:02:29 <Khertan> but you are making me laught ...
Apr 23 14:02:42 <man_in_ltop> i got it so i could check my email/discussion boards at uni without lugging around a 2.5 kg laptop ;)
Apr 23 14:02:43 <mgedmin> what's this EAP thingy used for?  ultra-secure corporate/university networks?
Apr 23 14:02:49 <mgedmin> university, knew it
Apr 23 14:02:55 <Woolly-work> In my scratchbox installation, if I upgrade automake, why doesn't it replace the /scratchbox/tools/bin/automake binary with the version that i've just installed?
Apr 23 14:03:11 <man_in_ltop> and uni has like the ONE eap inner auth that's not supported
Apr 23 14:03:15 <mgedmin> Woolly-work: that's just how scratchbox works
Apr 23 14:03:16 <man_in_ltop> mgedmin, yeah
Apr 23 14:03:23 <Woolly-work> mgedmin: damn :(
Apr 23 14:04:03 <Woolly-work> I'm trying to run autoconf, but it's saying my version is 1.8.5, not 1.9, but 1.9 is installed as automake-1.9
Apr 23 14:04:09 <mgedmin> it seems like a rather common complaint
Apr 23 14:04:09 <mgedmin> but I don't remember anyone saying they found a solution
Apr 23 14:04:23 <GeneralAntilles> Somebody put together a plugin, I think.
Apr 23 14:04:36 <GeneralAntilles> But I don't pay any attention when silly WiFi auth discussions come up.
Apr 23 14:06:17 <Woolly-work> ls
Apr 23 14:06:21 <Woolly-work> woops :D
Apr 23 14:07:03 <Khertan> commands woops :D not found
Apr 23 14:07:11 <Woolly-work> damn :(
Apr 23 14:07:20 <mgedmin> Khertan: that was the output of ls, not another command
Apr 23 14:07:21 <Khertan> command damn :( not found
Apr 23 14:07:41 <man_in_ltop> you're not doing it right
Apr 23 14:07:51 <Khertan> mgedmin: man page not found
Apr 23 14:07:53 <man_in_ltop> space delimits arguments
Apr 23 14:09:32 <Khertan> [<c0102fa1>] process_timeout+0x0/0x9
Apr 23 14:09:58 <Khertan> Kernel panic - not syncing: Brain with Memory, killing interrupt handler
Apr 23 14:11:59 <GeneralAntilles> murrayc, I take it you made that mistake? :P
Apr 23 14:12:35 <murrayc> GeneralAntilles: What mistake?
Apr 23 14:12:51 <GeneralAntilles> murrayc, of thinking the final countdown was for the beta SDK. ;)
Apr 23 14:13:04 <murrayc> No, someone else did. I know better.
Apr 23 14:13:21 <Khertan> yep ... i think too this was the final countdown to freemantle
Apr 23 14:13:24 <Khertan> fremantle
Apr 23 14:13:32 <GeneralAntilles> Anyway, it clearly says maemo.org, and talks about website-related things.
Apr 23 14:13:33 <Khertan> or what is it s name :)
Apr 23 14:13:37 <GeneralAntilles> Not sure how it could be more clear.
Apr 23 14:14:00 <Khertan> GeneralAntilles: maybe but i got a excuse ...
Apr 23 14:14:01 <murrayc> GeneralAntilles: "maemo.org website" is clearer but feel free to blame the readers instead.
Apr 23 14:14:22 <GeneralAntilles> murrayc, done. :)
Apr 23 14:14:41 <Khertan> seeing black text on black background didn't help ...
Apr 23 14:15:08 <Khertan> with too much sun in the train trying to fix the blueman-manager error under mer :)
Apr 23 14:15:20 <Khertan> :)
Apr 23 14:17:00 <GeneralAntilles> I really want the hearts/thumbs back.
Apr 23 14:17:11 <GeneralAntilles> It's much harder to talk about two thumbs.
Apr 23 14:18:27 <Khertan> hum ...
Apr 23 14:18:29 <Khertan> not sure
Apr 23 14:30:05 <Woolly-work> has anyone compiled opencv for maemo successfully?
Apr 23 14:32:42 <Woolly-work> i installed python2.5-sdk in maemo and can't find it :(
Apr 23 14:38:21 <lopz> hola
Apr 23 14:44:00 <Woolly-work> has anyone managed to successfully compile opencv for maemo?
Apr 23 14:44:52 <andre__> what does "can't find it" exactly mean?
Apr 23 14:44:52 <man_in_ltop> yay for jabber client with my new maemo-based toy :P
Apr 23 14:45:32 <man_in_ltop> means he doesn't have a potion of see invisible :P
Apr 23 14:45:40 <man_in_ltop> wait, this isn't #nethack ;)
Apr 23 14:45:43 <Woolly-work> andre__: python2.5 wasn't in /usr/bin, fixed now with a re-install
Apr 23 14:45:49 <Robot101> so, like, why does the GSoC project to add IM to canola not use telepathy? :(
Apr 23 14:46:14 <andre__> Robot101, i also wondered about that
Apr 23 14:46:25 <etrunko> Robot101: we were talking about it yesterday in #canola
Apr 23 14:46:49 <etrunko> me and andrunko were trying to convince the guys to do so
Apr 23 14:47:14 <etrunko> Robot101: you could help us there ;)
Apr 23 14:47:24 <andre__> what do they want to try? libpurple instead?
Apr 23 14:47:39 <wjt> andre__: the carman people wrapped libpurple in python rather than using telepathy
Apr 23 14:47:47 <andre__> uhm
Apr 23 14:47:54 <wjt> andre__: the canola SoC person wants to use pypurple or whatever
Apr 23 14:48:19 <bergie> why not telepathy?
Apr 23 14:48:27 <bergie> then it would use maemo's default IM connections automatically
Apr 23 14:48:30 <etrunko> wjt: yeah, don't know why they didn't try telepathy
Apr 23 14:48:33 <wazd_> Wrong question
Apr 23 14:48:41 <wazd_> IM in Canola?)
Apr 23 14:48:50 <wjt> wazd_: well that's a whole other thing
Apr 23 14:48:51 <Robot101> etrunko: why do you need more reason than "its the built in device IM stack"? :)
Apr 23 14:49:01 <wjt> wazd_: "hey, i want IM and my todo list in a media player!!!"
Apr 23 14:49:10 <bergie> :-D
Apr 23 14:49:11 <Robot101> wazd: I don't really opine on whether it's a good idea, but using libpurple is rarely a good idea :)
Apr 23 14:49:18 <wazd> wjt: I want it to make coffee :D
Apr 23 14:49:27 <andre__> kitchen sinks.
Apr 23 14:49:34 <Robot101> it doesn't do what you expect, at all. but if you do want IM in your media player, it shouldn't sign on totally separately to the rest of your device
Apr 23 14:49:36 <wjt> I *really* need to write Intravenous (again) so that we can honestly say Telepathy makes coffee
Apr 23 14:49:39 <Robot101> that's an absolute certainty
Apr 23 14:49:43 <bergie> yeah, seems people want *both* canola and liqbase to do *everything*
Apr 23 14:49:50 <Vudentz> Robot101, etrunko, it requires to much hack, especially to calls since there are other components which take over, so canola has to guess (register the dbus name before) what is happening.
Apr 23 14:50:11 <wjt> erm...
Apr 23 14:50:20 <Robot101> it should just let you pop up quick notifications or have a little conversation within the player
Apr 23 14:50:32 <Robot101> Vudentz: yeah, because integrating libpurple will make calls work soooo much better...
Apr 23 14:50:38 <etrunko> lol
Apr 23 14:51:45 <Robot101> honestly, why would you ever want to configure your IM accounts inside a media player? :)
Apr 23 14:52:13 <X-Fade> Robot101: Because you can? :)
Apr 23 14:52:17 <Robot101> use them briefly, yes, or know when some events happen, but the device-wide accounts and connections are the only things worth interacting with
Apr 23 14:52:44 <Robot101> like having some notifications when people sign on or message you, maybe a quick reply
Apr 23 14:53:19 <Vudentz> Robot101, you mean use mission-control?
Apr 23 14:53:31 <Robot101> (I admit the architecture in Diablo isn't ideally suited to this, but the new MC spec and stuff in Fremantle makes life a lot better)
Apr 23 14:53:55 <Robot101> ((I still don't think it's going to be like totally insoluble in Diablo though, just maybe not quite so pretty))
Apr 23 14:54:12 <lfelipe> Robot101: IM inside canola can be used for lots of different things
Apr 23 14:54:13 <lfelipe> not only chatting
Apr 23 14:54:17 <Robot101> for the new MC spec we've considered use-cases like notifying messages or accepting calls from within a full-screen media player
Apr 23 14:54:19 <Vudentz> Robot101, yeah, I would say that the older versions it would be a lot of pain to deal with, especially the stream-engine
Apr 23 14:54:35 <lfelipe> trading media with other canola users on the same network (bonjour), etc.
Apr 23 14:54:40 <etrunko> Robot101: any chance to see that working on diablo then?
Apr 23 14:54:51 <wjt> lfelipe: telepathy-salut does file transfers
Apr 23 14:54:55 <wjt> lfelipe: and tubes
Apr 23 14:55:03 <lfelipe> wjt: I know, I know
Apr 23 14:55:14 <lfelipe> the student and his mentor are already taking a look at telepathy
Apr 23 14:55:17 <Robot101> lfelipe: telepathy supports file transfers (bonjour and XMPP) and collaborative stuff... better than libpurple does, if you want to stream files around and stuff
Apr 23 14:55:18 <etrunko> wjt: yeah, internet is a bunch of tubes after all :P
Apr 23 14:55:19 <lfelipe> but no one mentioned it before
Apr 23 14:55:25 <wjt> lfelipe: *really*?
Apr 23 14:55:38 <wjt> like, no-one thought to consider the target platform's IM stack? :)
Apr 23 14:55:48 <Robot101> etrunko: I think putting new MC on Diablo would mean the built-in stuff would all die
Apr 23 14:56:03 <Robot101> etrunko: but for Mer that's hardly a problem, you can drop Empathy on there
Apr 23 14:56:15 <Robot101> and then it will work in Mer and in Fremantle
Apr 23 14:56:22 <Robot101> and on the GNOME/KDE desktop
Apr 23 14:56:25 <lfelipe> wjt: not in comments that I recall
Apr 23 14:56:25 <X-Fade> Robot101: Well, we could put it in a community update for diablo.
Apr 23 14:56:26 <Robot101> and generally in the flying car future
Apr 23 14:56:41 <lfelipe> I honestly don't care which one it uses, as long as it gets done
Apr 23 14:57:01 <Robot101> X-Fade: you'd have to gut the Contacts TN plugin and Presence SB plugin I guess, and replace them with some open alternative
Apr 23 14:57:07 <etrunko> lfelipe: indeed. the big thing is to define the scope of the project
Apr 23 14:57:23 <lfelipe> I'm not that familiar with telepathy, so if I'd to decide on something I'd also choose libpurple
Apr 23 14:57:23 <man_in_pda> so is there no solution or workaround to wpa-eap/pap?
Apr 23 14:57:31 <lfelipe> it's been there for quite some time, stable, well know, etc.
Apr 23 14:57:37 <Robot101> X-Fade: in Diablo, the RTCom framework built on top of Telepathy isn't very loosely coupled, so if you start turning stuff off you pretty much lose it all
Apr 23 14:57:38 <wjt> lfelipe: as someone familiar with both telepathy and libpurple...
Apr 23 14:57:49 <Robot101> X-Fade: it's way better in Fremantle
Apr 23 14:57:51 <wjt> lfelipe: the latter is worlds of pain compared to the former
Apr 23 14:57:52 <lfelipe> but as I said, it's up to the student and the mentor to decide, and I'm sure that they will do a really nice job on it
Apr 23 14:58:00 <lfelipe> antognolli: *cough* *cough*
Apr 23 14:58:02 <lfelipe> heeheh
Apr 23 14:58:09 <Robot101> X-Fade: given Telepathy actually came up with nice specs for separating those things nicely now
Apr 23 14:58:30 <Robot101> (if I could step back in time and give myself a message 3 years ago, it would've been to write that first :D)
Apr 23 14:58:54 <man_in_ltop> hmm
Apr 23 14:59:00 <X-Fade> Robot101: Lol ;)
Apr 23 14:59:12 <man_in_ltop> is there a timeframe on when freemantle will be released?
Apr 23 14:59:27 <X-Fade> man_in_ltop: When it is ready? :)
Apr 23 14:59:34 <man_in_ltop> well
Apr 23 14:59:46 <man_in_ltop> i read that freemantle MIGHT have wpa-eap/pap support
Apr 23 14:59:54 <man_in_ltop> which would be superawesomecool for me
Apr 23 14:59:55 <X-Fade> man_in_ltop: http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Maemo_roadmap/Fremantle
Apr 23 15:00:02 <man_in_ltop> cos then i could use the damn thing at uni :D
Apr 23 15:00:18 <antognolli> lfelipe, Robot101: yeah, we are already looking at them both
Apr 23 15:00:44 <X-Fade> man_in_ltop: you can even now?
Apr 23 15:01:21 <X-Fade> man_in_ltop: http://www.valeriovalerio.org/?p=182
Apr 23 15:02:14 <man_in_ltop> pfft
Apr 23 15:02:32 <man_in_ltop> why does everyone keep assuming that MSChapV2 == PAP?
Apr 23 15:03:58 <Woolly-work> I've installed the assorted libcv packages for opencv, but I cant figure out how to add in the Python wrappers
Apr 23 15:04:06 <Woolly-work> any ideas?
Apr 23 15:05:20 <X-Fade> man_in_ltop: The open source driver should be able to support it in combination with wpa_supplicant?
Apr 23 15:05:47 <luke-jr> I'm wondering why there's no combination wpa_supplicant + kismet ;)
Apr 23 15:06:44 <GeneralAntilles> X-Fade, could we give the autobuilder a list of restricted packages?
Apr 23 15:07:05 <zs> hi anyone knows what's the name of application which shows cpu usage, can make screenshot?
Apr 23 15:07:37 <X-Fade> GeneralAntilles: Buildme could probably check before submitting to the builders. (If we add that ;)
Apr 23 15:07:53 <man_in_ltop> X-Fade, where to get?
Apr 23 15:07:55 <qwerty12> zs: load-applet
Apr 23 15:09:18 <Robot101> antognolli: we're happy to help advise on telepathy use if you need
Apr 23 15:09:46 <zs> qwerty12, thanks
Apr 23 15:09:51 <X-Fade> man_in_ltop: Search for cx3110x, that will probably give you enough info.
Apr 23 15:10:56 <antognolli> Robot101: thanks, we'll ask for it if needed
Apr 23 15:10:59 <man_in_ltop> um
Apr 23 15:11:01 <man_in_ltop> hmm
Apr 23 15:12:42 <man_in_ltop> you sure cx3110x is for nokia n810?
Apr 23 15:13:24 <qwerty12> man_in_ltop: if you run lsmod on your N810, you'll most likely find it loaded ;)
Apr 23 15:13:36 <X-Fade> man_in_ltop: https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/cx3110x-devel/2008-October/000056.html
Apr 23 15:13:44 <lardman> re
Apr 23 15:15:30 <man_in_ltop> qwerty12, indeed
Apr 23 15:16:43 <man_in_ltop> http://stlc45xx.garage.maemo.org/ << google shows me this though
Apr 23 15:18:56 <qwerty12> stlc45xx is its fully open source replacement, for newer kernels and it's gonna be used in the next device AFAIK. But it won't compile against 2.6.21
Apr 23 15:20:22 <GeneralAntilles> qwerty12, next device?
Apr 23 15:20:30 <GeneralAntilles> The next device is a TI chipset.
Apr 23 15:20:41 <man_in_ltop> does diablo update change the kernel?
Apr 23 15:21:25 <qwerty12> GeneralAntilles: Ah, then what is the point of Nokia developing the driver? (Sorry, but I really don't see it being done out of the goodness of  their heart for N8x0...)
Apr 23 15:21:42 <GeneralAntilles> Out of the goodness of their hearts for the N8x0.
Apr 23 15:22:32 <X-Fade> Development is here: http://gitorious.org/projects/stlc45xx
Apr 23 15:22:48 <X-Fade> Although we might want to ask Kalle to move to git.maemo.org ;)
Apr 23 15:22:56 <GeneralAntilles> WL1271 http://focus.ti.com/general/docs/wtbu/wtbuproductcontent.tsp?templateId=6123&navigationId=12762&contentId=29993
Apr 23 15:23:19 <qwerty12> Let me know when they actually get a fully working kernel on the N8x0 first ;)
Apr 23 15:23:23 <qwerty12> +newer
Apr 23 15:23:42 <qwerty12> Well, I guess, at least N810 still has sound support
Apr 23 15:26:50 * man_in_ltop wants there to be an easy way to set all this up
Apr 23 15:30:06 <lardman> has there been a Diablo update?
Apr 23 15:30:17 <lardman> since the last one that is?
Apr 23 15:30:18 <luke-jr> qwerty12: I don't have sound workign eet
Apr 23 15:30:31 <qwerty12> This in Maemo, or Gentoo?
Apr 23 15:30:39 <luke-jr> Gentoo ☺
Apr 23 15:31:15 <GeneralAntilles> lardman, not yet.
Apr 23 15:31:20 <GeneralAntilles> lardman, but read up on -developers
Apr 23 15:31:57 <lardman> I read some talk about how to push one, was just wondering if there was a newer kernel scudding about
Apr 23 15:32:22 <lardman> luke-jr: what kernel are you using?
Apr 23 15:35:01 <man_in_ltop> ok
Apr 23 15:35:10 <man_in_ltop> so now i have wirelesstools installed
Apr 23 15:36:37 <GeneralAntilles> bergie, ping?
Apr 23 15:38:14 <rm_you> X-Fade: maemo has a git repo? :P
Apr 23 15:39:34 <rm_you> stlc45xx has ONE active developer AFAICT >_>
Apr 23 15:39:40 <man_in_ltop> yay for openssh-client
Apr 23 15:42:56 <Woolly-work> is there a guide for building your own binary image?
Apr 23 15:43:43 <Woolly-work> I'd like to create one with all the packages that I need for development already added, so I dont need to follow a long list of instructions!
Apr 23 15:44:26 <rm_you> Woolly-work: just make a really nice install that has everything you want, but do it with RootOnSD, and then make an image of the SD card
Apr 23 15:44:45 <rm_you> if something breaks or you want to distribute it, just image an SD card with it
Apr 23 15:44:58 <rm_you> that's the easiest way AFAIK
Apr 23 15:45:27 <rm_you> if you develop on the tablet, you really want RootOnSD anyway <_<
Apr 23 15:45:38 <Woolly-work> rm_you: thanks :) why?
Apr 23 15:45:55 <rm_you> 1) way more space
Apr 23 15:46:27 <Woolly-work> how large a card do I need? as I have 5 tablets and might not be able to afford 5 huge ones :P
Apr 23 15:46:35 <rm_you> 2) if you break something and brick your system, boot to the flash memory with a stock image installed, chroot into the SD card, and fix the problem, instead of having to reflash
Apr 23 15:46:46 <rm_you> Woolly-work: probably a 4g card would do and those are CHEAP
Apr 23 15:46:50 <rm_you> even 2g
Apr 23 15:46:53 <Woolly-work> awesome :)
Apr 23 15:46:54 <rm_you> hell even 1g
Apr 23 15:46:55 <rm_you> but
Apr 23 15:46:58 <rm_you> i'd recommend 2-4g
Apr 23 15:47:04 <Woolly-work> so a 4G card would work?
Apr 23 15:47:07 <rm_you> there's a nice wiki page on it
Apr 23 15:47:14 <rm_you> 4g is PLEEEENTY
Apr 23 15:47:26 <rm_you> for like, everything you could possibly want. plus some coding music.
Apr 23 15:47:41 <Woolly-work> awesome, do you have a link to that wiki?
Apr 23 15:47:44 <rm_you> sec
Apr 23 15:47:46 <rm_you> ~rootonsd
Apr 23 15:47:48 <qwerty12> ~boot-sd
Apr 23 15:47:49 <infobot> [boot-sd] https://wiki.maemo.org/Booting_from_a_flash_card
Apr 23 15:47:51 <rm_you> bah
Apr 23 15:47:53 <rm_you> thanks qwerty12 :P
Apr 23 15:47:59 <Woolly-work> thanks guys :)
Apr 23 15:48:03 <qwerty12> :P
Apr 23 15:48:05 <lardman> lol, just don't try an on-device OE build of anything
Apr 23 15:48:14 <rm_you> yeah it's a bit slow
Apr 23 15:48:22 <lardman> I was thinking more about space
Apr 23 15:48:27 <rm_you> i assume you're doing development of your own app, either python or C or something small? :P
Apr 23 15:48:30 <rm_you> lol well yeah
Apr 23 15:48:30 <qwerty12> lardman: I'm compiling aptitude, watchdog has kicked in plenty...
Apr 23 15:48:49 <Woolly-work> Python yup :)
Apr 23 15:48:54 <rm_you> on a 4g card you could probably get away with compiling anything, honestly
Apr 23 15:48:54 <luke-jr> lardman: Diablo's kernel
Apr 23 15:48:58 <lardman> qwerty12: really, I'd have thought the watchdog kicker would be resident in memory or something
Apr 23 15:49:11 <rm_you> disable watchdog >_>
Apr 23 15:49:15 <lardman> luke-jr: ok, so not audio coded driver then
Apr 23 15:49:19 <rm_you> at least while developing, IMO
Apr 23 15:49:22 <lardman> s/coded/codec
Apr 23 15:50:03 <qwerty12> rm_you: heh, opened the Makefile and added "--param ggc-min-expand=0 --param ggc-min-heapsize=16384" from a post fanoush wrote. It'll go a lot slower now, but at least I can still use the device :)
Apr 23 15:50:20 <rm_you> lardman: hows it going BTW? I kinda disappeared after the summit last fall and havent been on a whole lot since i reappeared in december... haven't been in the loop for a while :P
Apr 23 15:50:32 <rm_you> qwerty12: heh
Apr 23 15:50:45 <lardman> rm_you: I'm a bit out of the loop atm too, lots of day-job work + wedding coming up
Apr 23 15:50:52 <rm_you> lardman: yours? :P
Apr 23 15:50:55 <lardman> yep
Apr 23 15:51:01 <rm_you> congratulations :)
Apr 23 15:51:05 <lardman> thanks
Apr 23 15:51:11 <lardman> :)
Apr 23 15:51:23 <rm_you> I guess we understand each other then :)
Apr 23 15:51:35 <lardman> yeah, frustrating isn't it!
Apr 23 15:51:40 <rm_you> women tend to take away the time that used to be spent on maemo >_>
Apr 23 15:51:47 <rm_you> worth it though, i suppose :P
Apr 23 15:51:59 <lardman> lol, not so much that, more the stuff to be organised, etc., every evening
Apr 23 15:52:05 <rm_you> ah, yeah
Apr 23 15:52:14 <rm_you> well, there is the underlying cause :)
Apr 23 15:52:24 <lardman> plus being too tired to code
Apr 23 15:52:31 <rm_you> I feel you there >_>
Apr 23 15:52:51 <lardman> speaking of tired, time to get brain food
Apr 23 15:53:01 <rm_you> once this semester is over, not only will I not have a shitton of work to do, but my GF is going to be away for a while
Apr 23 15:53:08 <rm_you> so i'll be up for a lot of coding :)
Apr 23 15:53:28 <rm_you> finally get that open control panel done for ABL... *grumble*
Apr 23 15:53:44 <rm_you> ah right i have to apply your patches still, qwerty
Apr 23 15:53:52 <rm_you> my scratchbox is down :(
Apr 23 15:54:21 <rm_you> and i was using johnx' but he is switching to fulltime Mer so no more scratchbox on his machine >_<
Apr 23 15:54:40 <rm_you> my server is in too delicate a state currently to try to fix it
Apr 23 15:54:40 <qwerty12> rm_you: heh, did you manage to grab them? I removed everything form maemobox because it's shutting down :)
Apr 23 15:54:51 <rm_you> qwerty12: no! i don't have them yet! >_>
Apr 23 15:54:54 <rm_you> i just saved the link
Apr 23 15:55:03 <rm_you> so i guess i can delete it from my bookmarks then >_>
Apr 23 15:55:04 <qwerty12> Lol, I've got them here, I'll pastebin :)
Apr 23 15:55:07 <rm_you> why is maemobox going down?
Apr 23 15:55:15 <rm_you> they need hosting support?
Apr 23 15:55:18 <rm_you> I could set them up
Apr 23 15:55:26 <rm_you> I have ridiculously unused hosting
Apr 23 15:55:31 <qwerty12> http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28447
Apr 23 15:56:00 <rm_you> noooo
Apr 23 15:56:04 <rm_you> why haven't i been around
Apr 23 15:56:07 <rm_you> i could set him up right now!
Apr 23 15:56:08 <rm_you> >_<
Apr 23 15:56:23 <rm_you> if he gets on, tell him to like, CALL ME, or something
Apr 23 15:56:30 <Woolly-work> rm_you: I'm just reading over this booting from SD card guide, and if I read this correctly, I want to get the firmware image on the tablet to the point where I'm happy with transferring it to the SD card, then copy the image over?
Apr 23 15:56:43 <rm_you> Woolly-work: that is ONE thought
Apr 23 15:56:55 <rm_you> what i usually do is just copy the base image
Apr 23 15:57:01 <Woolly-work> right
Apr 23 15:57:04 <rm_you> cause i want the flash install to be clean
Apr 23 15:57:09 <Woolly-work> yes
Apr 23 15:57:10 <Woolly-work> i see
Apr 23 15:57:12 <rm_you> and i do all the customization once i boot to the SD
Apr 23 15:57:18 <Woolly-work> alright
Apr 23 15:57:22 <qwerty12> rm_you: http://slexy.org/view/s2eClPmXvP and http://slexy.org/view/s2Qx1YMqk9
Apr 23 15:57:37 <rm_you> qwerty12: lol k i will try to save them now... i am not on a good machine for this
Apr 23 15:57:49 <Woolly-work> if i have an SD card with a diablo image on it, can i put that into another N810 and boot from that straight off the bat?
Apr 23 15:57:56 <Woolly-work> or is there anything I need to do on the N810 side
Apr 23 15:58:22 <rm_you> well
Apr 23 15:58:37 <qwerty12> flasher-3.0 --set-root-device :>
Apr 23 15:58:38 <rm_you> the device itself has to have the bootloader flashed
Apr 23 15:58:42 <rm_you> but then yes
Apr 23 15:58:56 <rm_you> so basically, if you flash the bootloader on all of the devices
Apr 23 15:59:15 <rm_you> and then clone one fully working environment from the one SD card to four others, you can have all 5 devices booting instantly :)
Apr 23 15:59:44 <Woolly-work> awesome, that's what I need
Apr 23 15:59:48 <rm_you> I don't think there's anything you need to worry about, IIRC
Apr 23 15:59:53 <Woolly-work> and the bootloader you are talking about is the bootmenu from fanoush?
Apr 23 16:00:01 <rm_you> that's what i use
Apr 23 16:00:13 <Woolly-work> grand, cheers :)
Apr 23 16:00:16 <rm_you> qwerty12: does that command just change it to boot from a different device?
Apr 23 16:00:22 <rm_you> and not display a bootmenu?
Apr 23 16:00:52 <qwerty12> rm_you: yep, works with or without bootmenu
Apr 23 16:01:22 <rm_you> qwerty12: cool :P i think i prefer having the menu, myself, but that could work for you Woolly-work :P
Apr 23 16:01:23 <qwerty12> To restore the default behaviour, there's a --clear-root-device setting or something in the flasher
Apr 23 16:01:39 <qwerty12> Yep, the bootmenu is a lot better but for those times where you can't install it :)
Apr 23 16:01:55 <Woolly-work> so i'm using flasher3.0 to put the SD card image onto the SD card in the virgin tablet
Apr 23 16:02:03 <rm_you> no
Apr 23 16:02:09 <rm_you> err
Apr 23 16:02:12 <rm_you> i don't think so
Apr 23 16:02:37 <rm_you> Woolly-work: flasher3.0 will set which device to boot from, as an alternative to installing fanoush' bootmenu
Apr 23 16:02:52 <Woolly-work> ahh so flasher3.0 --set-boot-device or whatever it is wont specify an image to flash or anything, it just modifies the bootloader
Apr 23 16:03:16 <rm_you> Woolly-work: to clone the SD card, I recommend putting it into a cardreader on your main machine, using dd or something to clone the entire disk to binary file, and then using dd to image all the other SD cards :P
Apr 23 16:03:28 <Woolly-work> yeah, that's what I was going to do :D
Apr 23 16:03:31 <rm_you> yes
Apr 23 16:03:48 <Woolly-work> qwerty12: do you know if the set root device falls back to booting from internal if there isn't an SD present?
Apr 23 16:04:01 <rm_you> it *should* if it is sane
Apr 23 16:04:08 <rm_you> qwerty12, thoughts?
Apr 23 16:04:26 <qwerty12> Should do, lemme check linuxrc. But bootmenu is much better to use
Apr 23 16:04:32 <Woolly-work> yeah
Apr 23 16:05:03 <qwerty12> Yep, it goes back to flash
Apr 23 16:05:11 <Woolly-work> awesome, thanks :)
Apr 23 16:05:18 <GeneralAntilles> Flash needs to die horribly.
Apr 23 16:05:30 <rm_you> lol GA
Apr 23 16:05:36 <Woolly-work> i think i'll go with bootmenu, just to have the menu there, in case
Apr 23 16:05:47 <GeneralAntilles> Some stupid, idiotic little flash applet has my whole browser locked up.
Apr 23 16:06:04 <Woolly-work> wrong Flash :D
Apr 23 16:06:38 <qwerty12> Grab the pitchforks!
Apr 23 16:07:06 <rm_you> GA: throw your Flash binary into the aperture science furnace, aka /dev/null
Apr 23 16:07:17 <rm_you> :P
Apr 23 16:07:24 <GeneralAntilles> I'm ready to break every piece of technology in this apartment.
Apr 23 16:07:41 <rm_you> qwerty12: you know you could like, attach those patches to the PATCHES section of my garage project :P
Apr 23 16:07:50 <rm_you> where they're like, supposed to go :P
Apr 23 16:08:02 <rm_you> lol
Apr 23 16:08:07 <qwerty12> rm_you: srysly? You could have told me this sooner :P
Apr 23 16:08:12 * rm_you just realized this
Apr 23 16:08:27 * qwerty12 never knew this. Hah, I got the 1UP :P
Apr 23 16:08:45 <rm_you> https://garage.maemo.org/tracker/?atid=2116&group_id=564&func=browse
Apr 23 16:12:57 <rm_you> qwerty12: do you still stick to being online ONLY during specific hours like you did back last year? ( http://outpo.st/irc/ -- see your time distribution image, you are #12)
Apr 23 16:13:03 <rm_you> cause that was funny :P
Apr 23 16:13:48 <rm_you> like ONLY 06-17h
Apr 23 16:13:51 <rm_you> :P
Apr 23 16:14:00 <qwerty12> rm_you: pretty much, yeah :). qwerty12_N800 can be found on here until around 12:30 AM BST :P
Apr 23 16:14:04 * rm_you misses jott
Apr 23 16:15:50 <rm_you> brb
Apr 23 16:18:53 <man_in_ltop> huh
Apr 23 16:21:08 <Stskeeps> Macer: got the toll stuff: will have to cash out 76$ but that's cheap compared to how much i would have to pay for a new one
Apr 23 16:21:12 <Stskeeps> toll/customs
Apr 23 16:21:24 <Stskeeps> thereÃ's limits on what is considered gifts (price value, so)
Apr 23 16:21:44 <ShadowJK> how do they arrive at 76?
Apr 23 16:22:20 <Stskeeps> ShadowJK: 150 dkk fee, 25% VAT probably
Apr 23 16:22:27 <Stskeeps> landing at 438kr approx
Apr 23 16:22:50 <ShadowJK> oh, it's sent through a courier instead of normal mail?
Apr 23 16:22:58 <Stskeeps> normal mail
Apr 23 16:23:02 <Stskeeps> facist danish post ..
Apr 23 16:23:03 <ShadowJK> hm.
Apr 23 16:23:03 <Stskeeps> :P
Apr 23 16:23:21 <ShadowJK> fi post lets you handle customs yourself, which doesn't cost you any fees
Apr 23 16:25:12 <Stskeeps> my gf tells me i should have sent it to poland instead
Apr 23 16:25:40 <Woolly-work> rm_you: do I need to install e2fsprogs like it says in the wiki? it's been replaced by libuuid1 apparently
Apr 23 16:26:03 <man_in_ltop> well, i hope to get a working wpa-eap/pap solution by tuesday
Apr 23 16:27:21 * Stskeeps wonders if mer works with wpa-eap or not.. the bug in discussion atm confuses me
Apr 23 16:27:38 <Stskeeps> man_in_ltop: there's a ICD plugin for WPA supplicant afaik
Apr 23 16:28:15 <man_in_ltop> where?
Apr 23 16:28:22 <qwerty12> It won't compile, wants some functions in some headers that weren't included with it
Apr 23 16:38:08 <Macer> Stskeeps?
Apr 23 16:38:08 <GeneralAntilles> Alright, that was a pain http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Generalantilles/Sandbox/Front_page
Apr 23 16:39:12 <man_in_ltop> grrrrr
Apr 23 16:39:17 <rm_you> hrmrm
Apr 23 16:39:51 <rm_you> the current front page is broken? or just sucky?
Apr 23 16:40:10 <GeneralAntilles> http://wiki.maemo.org/
Apr 23 16:40:18 <rm_you> i know, i see it
Apr 23 16:40:27 <GeneralAntilles> Horribly, horribly broken.
Apr 23 16:40:29 <rm_you> all the boxes are pretty? >_>
Apr 23 16:40:39 <GeneralAntilles> Mostly because X-Fade broke the templates. :P
Apr 23 16:40:44 <rm_you> oh
Apr 23 16:40:48 <rm_you> yeah i see
Apr 23 16:40:55 <rm_you> the CSS is just bad
Apr 23 16:41:14 <GeneralAntilles> This new design meshes with http://maemo.org/development/ etc
Apr 23 16:43:22 <Stskeeps> Macer: lo
Apr 23 16:43:37 <Stskeeps> Macer: basically i got hit with a tad of customs fee, but it's not a problem :)
Apr 23 16:43:48 <Stskeeps> i had mistaken the rules - marking it gift won't get it past
Apr 23 16:45:18 <Stskeeps> if the value is above a certain amount
Apr 23 16:45:21 <Stskeeps> but it's very low, like 76$
Apr 23 16:45:29 <Stskeeps> which is cheap compared if i had to find it again
Apr 23 16:46:21 <man_in_ltop> ok, got it flashed up to diablo :D
Apr 23 16:46:37 <man_in_ltop> now i just need to reinstall all my stuff :P
Apr 23 16:52:48 <slonopotamus> ~ping
Apr 23 16:52:49 <infobot> ~pong
Apr 23 16:52:53 <man_in_ltop> so now it's on diablo, i shouldn't need to reflash it, right?
Apr 23 16:53:07 <slonopotamus> hehe
Apr 23 16:53:24 <slonopotamus> you just don't have newer os to reflash
Apr 23 16:53:59 <mgedmin> and since diablo has SSU, you shouldn't need to reflash it in the future either
Apr 23 16:56:32 * rm_you leaves for the day
Apr 23 17:02:28 <man_in_ltop> mgedmin, that is what i meant
Apr 23 17:02:33 <man_in_ltop> so how exactly does ssu work?
Apr 23 17:03:17 <GeneralAntilles> man_in_ltop, it's just apt-get dist-upgrade basically.
Apr 23 17:03:21 <GeneralAntilles> ~ssu
Apr 23 17:03:22 <infobot> [ssu] http://wiki.maemo.org/SSU
Apr 23 17:03:23 <man_in_ltop> ah
Apr 23 17:03:26 <mgedmin> you go to the Application Installer and install 'OS2008 Feature Upgrade' there
Apr 23 17:03:28 <mgedmin> then it reboots
Apr 23 17:03:36 <GeneralAntilles> Except they update a system meta-package.
Apr 23 17:06:25 <GeneralAntilles> If somebody wants to figure out what bit of CSS is adding all that white space, this is ready to go: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Generalantilles/Sandbox/Front_page
Apr 23 17:11:07 <mib_ubpiiw> arghhh for my sanity could someone please link me up with xchat for n810 (.deb please)
Apr 23 17:11:16 <mib_ubpiiw> hi simon
Apr 23 17:11:24 <qwerty12> It's in extras
Apr 23 17:11:25 <GeneralAntilles> ~extras
Apr 23 17:11:26 <infobot> methinks extras is http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras
Apr 23 17:11:35 <lardman> hi mib_ubpiiw
Apr 23 17:12:03 <mib_ubpiiw> arrghh why isnt it listed?
Apr 23 17:12:09 <man_in_ltop> it is
Apr 23 17:12:19 <man_in_ltop> you have to enable "maemo extras" in the apps manager
Apr 23 17:12:19 <mib_ubpiiw> i have other extras things
Apr 23 17:12:43 <man_in_ltop> well, i'll check mine as soon as midori finishes installing
Apr 23 17:13:23 <mib_ubpiiw> mmm no i just refreshed
Apr 23 17:13:42 <mib_ubpiiw> liqbase is there so i know i already have extras
Apr 23 17:13:53 <GeneralAntilles> http://www.google.com/search?ie=utf8&oe=utf8&q=site:repository.maemo.org+xchat
Apr 23 17:14:09 <man_in_ltop> i just did a search for xchat
Apr 23 17:14:12 <man_in_ltop> it's in my list
Apr 23 17:14:24 <man_in_ltop> this is on latest diablo, though it was also on chinook
Apr 23 17:15:52 <GeneralAntilles> Are you sure it's not installed?
Apr 23 17:15:56 <GeneralAntilles> Are you browsing "All"?
Apr 23 17:16:04 <GeneralAntilles> Maybe try apt-get install xchat
Apr 23 17:20:17 <bacon> which bright spark asked if it was already installed?
Apr 23 17:20:26 <bacon> cos whoever it is needs a beer
Apr 23 17:20:32 <GeneralAntilles> ;)
Apr 23 17:20:52 <lardman> mmm, beer
Apr 23 17:21:00 <bacon> this is tracys machine lol (she might be watchin ok lcuk machine
Apr 23 17:21:01 <man_in_ltop> it was GeneralAntilles
Apr 23 17:21:11 <man_in_ltop> unless you're offering a good ginger beer, then it was me
Apr 23 17:21:15 <bacon> oh, white wine then
Apr 23 17:21:19 <man_in_ltop> red
Apr 23 17:21:25 <man_in_ltop> lambrusco
Apr 23 17:21:36 <lcuk> she is watching god i cant even surf in peace when u not here
Apr 23 17:21:41 * bacon is on holiday
Apr 23 17:22:12 <bacon> tracy, right click my name and msg me
Apr 23 17:22:22 <lcuk> huh how?
Apr 23 17:22:32 <bacon> right click on bacon
Apr 23 17:22:36 * suihkulokki wants to fry bacon
Apr 23 17:22:46 <lardman> lcuk: type something like this: "~lart bacon"
Apr 23 17:22:49 <man_in_ltop> gah, it's 3:30
Apr 23 17:23:01 * lardman wonders if that counts as blasphemy
Apr 23 17:23:03 <GeneralAntilles> lol
Apr 23 17:23:15 <bacon> yes
Apr 23 17:23:34 <lardman> :p
Apr 23 17:24:20 <bacon> lol
Apr 23 17:24:51 <GeneralAntilles> Somebody figure out what's adding all that whitespace http://wiki.maemo.org/Main_Page
Apr 23 17:24:56 <lardman> don't you just hate it when you once again realise a piece of code is slow, but don't have the time to fix it
Apr 23 17:25:15 <man_in_ltop> GeneralAntilles, where in particular?
Apr 23 17:25:29 <GeneralAntilles> man_in_ltop, between the content and the navbar on the right
Apr 23 17:25:29 <bacon> lardman, depends which bits
Apr 23 17:26:17 <man_in_ltop> it's not meant to look like that?
Apr 23 17:26:32 <GeneralAntilles> man_in_ltop, compare it to http://maemo.org/development/
Apr 23 17:26:44 <bacon> anyone know if i can do the following: hotel wifi from laptop and from n810, but then connext via ssh from  laptop to 81p
Apr 23 17:27:05 <man_in_ltop> that's a very different layout
Apr 23 17:27:18 <GeneralAntilles> man_in_ltop, um, not really.
Apr 23 17:27:28 <GeneralAntilles> man_in_ltop, I think you've got a cached Main_Page
Apr 23 17:27:30 <Jaffa> man_in_ltop: have you got your wiki skin set to monobookmaemo2009
Apr 23 17:27:38 <GeneralAntilles> or that
Apr 23 17:27:41 <GeneralAntilles> Isn't it default now?
Apr 23 17:27:45 <bacon> lcuk, tracy what are you doin with xchat on yours?
Apr 23 17:27:54 * GeneralAntilles is feeling the after-effect of CSS/XHTML toture.
Apr 23 17:28:06 <GeneralAntilles> bacon, messaging old boyfriends, duh.
Apr 23 17:28:08 <Jaffa> GeneralAntilles: I don't know if X-Fade's changed anyone's settings though
Apr 23 17:28:45 <man_in_ltop> i don't have a login for the wiki
Apr 23 17:29:25 <GeneralAntilles> No, I guess it's not default yet.
Apr 23 17:30:01 <man_in_ltop> yay, vim
Apr 23 17:30:35 <bacon> lardman which code is to clow
Apr 23 17:30:38 <bacon> slow
Apr 23 17:30:59 <lardman> datacube polynomial fitting and differential generation
Apr 23 17:31:14 <lardman> fixable, but I always have something better to do, until I need to use it then I curse
Apr 23 17:31:21 <bacon> oh that, yeah i left mine slow too
Apr 23 17:31:26 <lardman> :D
Apr 23 17:31:42 <bacon> is this a matlab prog
Apr 23 17:31:47 <lardman> yeah
Apr 23 17:31:57 <lardman> everything is a MATLAB prog for me
Apr 23 17:32:01 <lardman> at work at least
Apr 23 17:32:11 <bacon> cos ppl in gsoc were talkin about runnin matlab on netbooks
Apr 23 17:32:32 <bacon> is matlab code for visual basic then
Apr 23 17:32:32 <lardman> were they, why?
Apr 23 17:32:50 <lardman> ah, I do occassionally have to do a little VB it is true
Apr 23 17:33:28 <bacon> about how matlab itself would run but you would hafve to be an ubergod to make anything nontrivial run
Apr 23 17:33:48 <bacon> so best is just throw more metal at it
Apr 23 17:33:49 <lardman> really, what spec are they talking? I've had Octave running on the N8x0 reasonably happily
Apr 23 17:34:09 <bacon> run using screen or vnc from a mainframe and slowness goes away ,)
Apr 23 17:34:16 <lardman> though MATLAB nowadays uses Java for the GUI, so there's an issue straight off
Apr 23 17:34:26 <bacon> this was related to eee
Apr 23 17:34:51 <lardman> I was thinking of buying a little intel palmtop sort of machine for running MATLAB when away at conferences
Apr 23 17:34:55 <bacon> its good to see we arent the only ones who need to optimize
Apr 23 17:35:08 <bacon> cool
Apr 23 17:35:20 <bacon> dont let gan hear u say that tho lol
Apr 23 17:35:36 <lardman> well needs must, need something that can edit PowerPoint too
Apr 23 17:36:08 <bacon> im thinking about atarting an optimization document for devicesx
Apr 23 17:36:45 <bacon> if i can ever get used to the wiki lol
Apr 23 17:37:10 <tank-man> im not  a mathmatition, but what does matlab do that octave/maxima doesnt?
Apr 23 17:37:41 <tank-man> or its just syntax preference?
Apr 23 17:37:49 <bacon> it puts mat in a lab
Apr 23 17:37:50 <lardman> inertia I guess
Apr 23 17:38:05 <lardman> though I used to use Symulink a lot, which is MATLAB only
Apr 23 17:38:11 <lardman> simulink even
Apr 23 17:39:18 <GeneralAntilles> lardman, probably better off with a netbook price/performance/usability-wise for mobile math stuff.
Apr 23 17:39:42 <lardman> how big are they?
Apr 23 17:39:49 <lardman> I want something small and portable ideally
Apr 23 17:39:58 <bacon> does xchat bing if i minimize it and someone shouts
Apr 23 17:40:22 <lardman> doesn't matter if it's not fast, just as long as it gets the job done (re MATLAB stuff), for trying out ideas, etc
Apr 23 17:40:50 <GeneralAntilles> About 4 N810s
Apr 23 17:41:05 <GeneralAntilles> bacon, it'll flash the notification area.
Apr 23 17:41:27 <GeneralAntilles> lardman, but you're going to be paying ~$600 for a MID versus about $200-$300 for a netbook.
Apr 23 17:41:33 <GeneralAntilles> A netbook with twice the performance.
Apr 23 17:41:34 <bacon> im goin over to the laptop its behind me chargin
Apr 23 17:41:43 <lardman> GeneralAntilles: work, not me
Apr 23 17:42:34 <bacon> get an sgi netbook, tiny and handheld (and the main processing cabinet is on wheels
Apr 23 17:42:42 <lardman> oi!
Apr 23 17:43:40 <bacon> Ã…
Apr 23 17:43:43 <locutus> GeneralAntilles: MID?
Apr 23 17:43:44 <bacon> ?even
Apr 23 17:44:04 * lardman gets confused by all the acronyms
Apr 23 17:44:13 <GeneralAntilles> locutus, Intel's definition.
Apr 23 17:44:33 <GeneralAntilles> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_Internet_Device
Apr 23 17:44:37 <locutus> oh
Apr 23 17:45:03 <lardman> GeneralAntilles: you've got a Dell mini right?
Apr 23 17:45:09 <GeneralAntilles> lardman, yeah.
Apr 23 17:45:41 <lardman> hmm, browsing randomly the HP 2133 mini-note looks a good size
Apr 23 17:45:49 <lardman> no idea what's in it mind you :)
Apr 23 17:45:59 <GeneralAntilles> lardman, the HP Mini 1000 is more expensive, but probably a better choice.
Apr 23 17:46:29 <GeneralAntilles> Than the Mini 9 that is.
Apr 23 17:46:38 <GeneralAntilles> lardman, give it about 6 months, though.
Apr 23 17:46:42 <GeneralAntilles> Wait for the new chipsets to hit.
Apr 23 17:46:51 <GeneralAntilles> Since they're significantly less sucky than what's out now.
Apr 23 17:47:07 <lardman> yeah
Apr 23 17:47:14 <lardman> and deflation will kick in too ;)
Apr 23 17:47:36 <bacon> in 6 months we should have omap3 in our hands
Apr 23 17:47:55 <lardman> I hope it will be less than 6 months
Apr 23 17:48:13 <bacon> so do i
Apr 23 17:48:44 <lardman> I guess I could port my main code to run under Octave, assuming the omap3 will be reasonably quick
Apr 23 17:48:52 <lardman> still the ppt issue though
Apr 23 17:49:06 <mib_tltiel> #nick jackdoor
Apr 23 17:49:13 <bacon> no linux ppt viewers?
Apr 23 17:49:19 <GeneralAntilles> ^ yeah, really.
Apr 23 17:49:22 <lardman> no editors that seem to work
Apr 23 17:49:23 <GeneralAntilles> That's not an issue.
Apr 23 17:49:34 <bacon> qole should have oo working nicely on omap
Apr 23 17:49:36 <mib_tltiel> #nickname jack
Apr 23 17:49:48 <lardman> didn't work for me at the summit last year
Apr 23 17:49:57 <lardman> I foolishly brought a ppt presentation
Apr 23 17:50:17 <bacon> lol
Apr 23 17:50:30 <bacon> i foolishly brought a craptop
Apr 23 17:51:40 <jackdoor> Is it ok if I ask you guys for help with my n810 in this chat?
Apr 23 17:51:54 <bacon> sure
Apr 23 17:51:56 <Stskeeps> you can always try
Apr 23 17:51:59 <jackdoor> thanks
Apr 23 17:52:07 <bacon> we might not be able to help tho
Apr 23 17:52:14 <bacon> hiya sts
Apr 23 17:52:17 <Stskeeps> lo
Apr 23 17:52:44 <bacon> hows #liqbase doing without me lol
Apr 23 17:53:01 <jackdoor> i am booting from the internal card but everytime my n810 boots a black and white menu comes up and i dontknow how to make it boot directly from the internal card
Apr 23 17:53:48 <jackdoor> just wondeing if theres a way to get rid of the menu so it boots straight into my internal card
Apr 23 17:54:49 <qwerty12_N800> ~boot-sd
Apr 23 17:54:50 <infobot> i guess boot-sd is https://wiki.maemo.org/Booting_from_a_flash_card
Apr 23 17:55:15 <qwerty12_N800> ^there's a section there on how to do so
Apr 23 17:55:29 <bacon> o/ qwerty
Apr 23 17:55:43 <qwerty12_N800> hey bacon :)
Apr 23 17:55:56 <jackdoor> problem is i dont have a linux computer
Apr 23 17:55:57 <qwerty12_N800> (lol, that sounded odd :P)
Apr 23 17:56:04 <bacon> lol
Apr 23 17:56:14 * bacon sizzles on the griddle
Apr 23 17:56:36 <GeneralAntilles> You know, if lcuk weren't such a bacon poser I'm quite certain he'd of died of sodium poisoning.
Apr 23 17:56:53 <bacon> lol
Apr 23 17:56:54 <qwerty12_N800> jackdoor: it's done from tablet, which if you actually read it, you'd know
Apr 23 17:57:00 * lcuk is sick of bacon
Apr 23 17:57:02 <bacon> tracy
Apr 23 17:57:13 <bacon> do i eat as much bacon as they think
Apr 23 17:57:30 <lcuk> yes u do
Apr 23 17:57:31 <jackdoor> i did ant it said in linux or os x so i assumed it meant a computer
Apr 23 17:58:00 <lardman> right, I'm heading for home, see you chaps tomorrow
Apr 23 17:58:07 <bacon> lololoo
Apr 23 17:58:13 <bacon> i dont eat much
Apr 23 17:58:17 <bacon> gnite simon
Apr 23 17:59:03 <jackdoor> so i can run that code from my tablet right?
Apr 23 18:05:21 <z4chh> im ordered my n810 :)
Apr 23 18:05:25 <z4chh> i*
Apr 23 18:05:49 <fred23> Hi!  I'm with Mozilla, working on Fennec (Firefox mobile) and I've hit something in the sapwood theme engine that's slowing down are startup... is any theme-expert online ?
Apr 23 18:06:04 <Stskeeps> 'herzi' does sapwood, you can probably prod him
Apr 23 18:06:13 <fred23> nice
Apr 23 18:06:45 <fred23> he's not online at the moment.. does he hang out on a different channel ?
Apr 23 18:07:40 <Stskeeps> nah, just afk atm
Apr 23 18:07:46 <Stskeeps> catch him earlier
Apr 23 18:08:15 <fred23> Stskeeps: np, thanx
Apr 23 18:39:56 <Stskeeps> GeneralAntilles: intentional wiki looks .. lame? :P
Apr 23 18:39:59 <Stskeeps> as in, wiki main page
Apr 23 18:40:08 <GeneralAntilles> Stskeeps, switch to MonoBookMaemo2009
Apr 23 18:41:56 <Stskeeps> k
Apr 23 18:42:37 <GeneralAntilles> Stskeeps, I pulled the trigger too early, but I'm too lazy to revert
Apr 23 18:42:44 <GeneralAntilles> It looks lame, but at least it doesn't look broken.
Apr 23 18:43:36 <florian> re
Apr 23 19:35:21 <GeneralAntilles> ~rx-51
Apr 23 19:35:23 <infobot> hmm... rx-51 is http://maemo.org/community/council/community_highlights_for_december_2008-part_i-january_2009-part_ii/ http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS9093153240.html
Apr 23 21:04:51 <Guest0937_962> how much time i need to wait after applying for maemo extra upload?
Apr 23 21:05:11 <GeneralAntilles> Guest0937_962, usually a day.
Apr 23 21:05:15 <GeneralAntilles> It's whenever X-Fade gets around to it.
Apr 23 21:05:16 <Guest0937_962> usualy?
Apr 23 21:05:19 <GeneralAntilles> and he's done for today.
Apr 23 21:05:36 <Guest0937_962> ok so tomorow ok ok
Apr 23 21:05:39 <Guest0937_962> TX GA
Apr 23 21:05:43 <Guest0937_962> ;)
Apr 23 21:14:29 <eggs1235> meh
Apr 23 21:17:18 <GeneralAntilles> hem
Apr 23 21:18:04 <eggs1235> do u mirror everfything
Apr 23 21:18:23 <eggs1235> this beer is strong
Apr 23 21:21:18 <eggs1235> does static damage n8x0
Apr 23 21:21:36 <johnx> why do you ask?
Apr 23 21:21:54 <GeneralAntilles> Only if you hit the board.
Apr 23 21:21:57 <eggs1235> i keep getting shocks on everythin i touch in the room i am in
Apr 23 21:22:09 <eggs1235> its not normal
Apr 23 21:22:22 <eggs1235> how r u johnx
Apr 23 21:22:57 <johnx> pretty good
Apr 23 21:29:09 * eggs1235 gives up
Apr 23 21:33:53 <zakari> hi everybody
Apr 23 21:34:35 <Guysoft422> hey, is there a way to get the f1-f4 keys on he nokia n810?
Apr 23 21:35:30 <eggs1235> i thought some of the f keys were used for dpad etc
Apr 23 21:35:54 <GeneralAntilles> eggs1235, no, -/+ and fullscreen
Apr 23 21:36:11 <GeneralAntilles> Menu, Home.
Apr 23 21:36:17 <qwerty12_N800> ? dpad is mapped to your normal up, down etc
Apr 23 21:37:43 <eggs1235> you know what i meant tho
Apr 23 21:39:22 <GeneralAntilles> Drunken tableteering is dangerous.
Apr 23 21:39:47 <eggs1235> o_O im  not drunk yet
Apr 23 21:39:54 <Guysoft422> i have another keyboard question: i seem to have lost my virtual keyboard, it wont start, what could have caused that?
Apr 23 21:40:17 <johnx> GuySoft, using a usb or bluetooth keyboard?
Apr 23 21:40:26 <GeneralAntilles> Alternatively, N810?
Apr 23 21:41:01 <eggs1235> control panel option
Apr 23 21:41:35 <eggs1235> n810 still allows vkb
Apr 23 21:42:26 <GeneralAntilles> eggs1235, sure, but a broken slide detector (known issue) or a software stick (known issue) can cause trouble.
Apr 23 21:43:14 <eggs1235> good point
Apr 23 21:43:31 <GeneralAntilles> Yeah, that's why I brought it up. :D
Apr 23 21:43:33 <eggs1235> but the simplest scenario is its been unticked
Apr 23 21:44:38 <eggs1235> thumb keyboards of anytype are fiddly, i much prefer a desktop
Apr 23 21:44:51 * eggs1235 grumbles at fingers
Apr 23 21:48:08 <eggs1235> hmmm xchat is actibe app but hildon shows browser
Apr 23 21:48:41 <qwerty12_N800> it's the drink
Apr 23 21:49:10 <eggs1235> the left hand side highlight and nobble are on browser
Apr 23 21:49:18 <eggs1235> its not qwerty
Apr 23 21:49:41 <eggs1235> ive got 2 browser windows open and xchat
Apr 23 21:50:11 <eggs1235> even more curious
Apr 23 21:50:48 <eggs1235> when i pressed fullscreen to save a pic lol it has now eaten hildon totally
Apr 23 21:51:05 <qwerty12_N800> it happens, nothing harmful :) (of course, it doesn't help that the browser is a focus whore)
Apr 23 21:51:08 <eggs1235> theres no icons and yes im back in windows
Apr 23 21:51:57 <eggs1235> :o ive lost all my sidebar
Apr 23 21:52:34 <eggs1235> heh i can minimize chat but cant change app
Apr 23 21:53:28 <eggs1235> i cant even move applets
Apr 23 21:53:40 <eggs1235> or anything, time to sleep
Apr 23 21:54:53 <guysoft42> johnx, USB
Apr 23 21:55:22 <guysoft42> hmm, i just found someone reporting the same problem i have: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=27188
Apr 23 21:55:45 <guysoft42> i carn't seem to post about it too because its in the 'old' area
Apr 23 22:00:10 <tank-man> guysoft42, you dont need those control apps to change to host mode if youre using those otg usb adaptors
Apr 23 22:00:30 <guysoft42> tank-man, i know. it used to work. .then it stoped
Apr 23 22:00:56 <guysoft42> now each time i plug it in, it reboots
Apr 23 22:02:27 <guysoft42> tank-man, i also have on older system on at the internal 250MB memory, it works there too
Apr 23 22:05:14 <tank-man> have you looked at maybe the output of "dmesg" ?
Apr 23 22:06:50 <guysoft42> tank-man, i am not sure how, it reboot about a second (even less) when i plug it in
Apr 23 22:07:09 <guysoft42> tank-man, i need some way to log it to file before it reboots
Apr 23 22:07:12 <tank-man> you can ssh in from your desktop to see it
Apr 23 22:07:50 <guysoft42> tank-man, that might be hard, i will need to reconfigure the wifi here..
Apr 23 22:08:04 <guysoft42> tank-man, because the usb would be in use
Apr 23 22:08:15 <guysoft42> tank-man, some bash scripts that echos the dmesg would do better
Apr 23 22:08:47 <qwerty12_N800> GuySoft: grab the klogd & syslogd debs from the diablo sdk repo (would give you a link but am on tablet)
Apr 23 22:09:17 <qwerty12_N800> kernel log gets dumped into /var/logs or smthing
Apr 23 22:09:26 <qwerty12_N800> (with klogd)
Apr 23 22:12:16 <guysoft42> qwerty12_N800, tank-man its rebooting now. i tried writing : while true ; do; dmesg > dm ; done
Apr 23 22:12:19 <guysoft42> then i pluged it in
Apr 23 22:15:07 <guysoft42> empty file. so i did the same with two septate dm files.. that should mean while its writing on one, the other would be saved :)
Apr 23 22:15:22 <guysoft42> rebooting..
Apr 23 22:16:29 <guysoft42> ok got it. let me paste it
Apr 23 22:16:49 <tank-man> you can use ">>" to append the output to a file instead of overwriting it
Apr 23 22:17:59 <guysoft42> tank-man, that would flood the flash, my way is space-effective let me just pull the file and pastbin it
Apr 23 22:20:40 <guysoft42> there, here is the pastebin, and you can see the keyboard. i can also see something strange with the driver: http://pastebin.com/m1c326bdb
Apr 23 22:21:33 <man_in_pda> ok
Apr 23 22:21:42 <guysoft42> /home/faheem/kernel-source-diablo-2.6.21/kernel-source/drivers/usb/core/inode.c: creating file '002' is that the normal file for the driver?
Apr 23 22:22:13 <guysoft42> qwerty12_N800, care to take a look? it might shed light on this
Apr 23 22:23:39 <man_in_pda> so, is there a way of rearranging installed applications?
Apr 23 22:24:01 <guysoft42> man_in_pda, you mean the menu? yes, in the settings under panels
Apr 23 22:24:09 <guysoft42> tank-man, any idea?
Apr 23 22:24:28 <qwerty12_N800> GuySoft: Sorry, but I wouldn't probably be able to tell you: logs aren't my speciality & I don't use USB host :/
Apr 23 22:24:39 <man_in_pda> ah ty
Apr 23 22:25:34 <lardman> guysoft42: are you booting with a hub attached or is that the built in one?
Apr 23 22:25:53 <guysoft42> it must be built in.
Apr 23 22:25:56 <qwerty12_N800> guysoft42: But I take it that's one of my kernel builds as it's saying /home/faheem - I dunno if that's one of my more stable ones...
Apr 23 22:26:11 <lardman> guysoft42: ok
Apr 23 22:26:24 <guysoft42> qwerty12_N800, ah i see you are faheem :)
Apr 23 22:26:36 <qwerty12_N800> heh, yeah :)
Apr 23 22:26:48 <guysoft42> lardman, i also have another keyboard that does the same thing..
Apr 23 22:27:26 <guysoft42> qwerty12_N800, maybe its your kernel? how can i check what kernel the old system (where it works) is running on?
Apr 23 22:27:59 * guysoft42 boots to the old system..
Apr 23 22:28:03 <guysoft42> i guess ill just dmesg ther
Apr 23 22:28:05 <guysoft42> there*
Apr 23 22:28:18 <lardman> so this is with a kb plugged in is it?
Apr 23 22:28:25 <qwerty12_N800> guysoft42: oh, the kernel is the same for all booted systems
Apr 23 22:28:33 <lardman> sorry I only came in half way through the explanation
Apr 23 22:28:48 <man_in_pda> now if only i could find a nice, easy way to get wpa-eap/pap support, i would be extremely happy with my new toy :)
Apr 23 22:28:51 <guysoft42> ah sorry lardman do go on
Apr 23 22:29:33 <lardman> oh you're talking about a kb with a built in hub
Apr 23 22:30:10 <tank-man> guysoft42, i dont see anything in the log you pasted that tells it to shutdown
Apr 23 22:30:25 <tank-man> i dont know what is going on
Apr 23 22:31:10 <lardman> have you disabled watchdog reboots?
Apr 23 22:31:22 <lardman> just to see if it's the desktop which is taking it down
Apr 23 22:31:25 <guysoft42> tank-man, well its not supposed to .. i just made another dmesg from  the old system, (where the keyboard works) .. lets see if there more lines
Apr 23 22:31:32 <man_in_pda> hmm ... all the google bookmarks are google.com and i want them to be google.com.au :)
Apr 23 22:31:47 <guysoft42> lardman, my guess is it might be the connection manager that now supports USB network..
Apr 23 22:31:54 <lardman> I think I might just be confusing matters as I don't know what's going on, I'll sit back and listen for a while
Apr 23 22:31:55 <lardman> :)
Apr 23 22:32:14 <tank-man> my suggestion is use the normal kernel or bug the maintainer of the kernel you are using :)
Apr 23 22:32:42 <guysoft42> lardman, you mean bug qwerty12_N800 ?
Apr 23 22:32:50 <guysoft42> (dont i do that anyway? :P )
Apr 23 22:33:20 <lardman> I agree with tank-man of course, ask him about his odd taste in music while you're at it ;)
Apr 23 22:34:29 <qwerty12_N800> guysoft42: hehe, I don't think it's the kernel if it works when booting from a different system on the same machine as the same kernel is always used :)
Apr 23 22:35:35 <qwerty12_N800> lardman: bah, you Bath people, stick to yer classical music :p
Apr 23 22:36:24 <lardman> qwerty12_N800: lol, I was just listening to some too
Apr 23 22:36:35 <lardman> qwerty12_N800: T.Rex now
Apr 23 22:37:01 <lardman> before your (and my for that matter) time
Apr 23 22:37:46 <GeneralAntilles> So, question, should the intro paragraph be dropped? http://maemo.org/community/
Apr 23 22:37:54 <GeneralAntilles> None of the other sections have intro paragraphs like that.
Apr 23 22:38:06 <qwerty12_N800> lardman: Come on, my time, maybe but yours? ;P
Apr 23 22:38:23 <lardman> qwerty12_N800: hey, I'm only 30 young man!
Apr 23 22:39:01 <qwerty12_N800> oh, I thought you were double that :p
Apr 23 22:39:05 <lardman> GeneralAntilles: I think it's ok
Apr 23 22:39:21 <man_in_pda> dude, you're ancient!
Apr 23 22:39:37 * lardman adds another reason to his list of "why to strangle qwerty"
Apr 23 22:39:54 <lardman> qwerty12_N800: look what you've started!
Apr 23 22:40:10 <lardman> probably past most of your bed times! :D
Apr 23 22:40:28 <lardman> and mine now that I'm getting old
Apr 23 22:40:34 <qwerty12_N800> A 60 year old's killing habit? :p
Apr 23 22:40:56 <guysoft42> ok! i think i got it
Apr 23 22:40:58 <guysoft42> well, the problem not the answer
Apr 23 22:41:06 <guysoft42> er - i got disconnection, can people see me here still
Apr 23 22:41:08 <guysoft42> ?
Apr 23 22:41:09 <lardman> qwerty12_N800: I'll get you with my walking stick
Apr 23 22:41:25 <lardman> guysoft42: yep
Apr 23 22:41:37 <man_in_pda> qwerty12_N800, careful, or you won't live to see 30
Apr 23 22:41:40 <qwerty12_N800> ok, now I'm scared :/
Apr 23 22:41:44 <b-man16> lol
Apr 23 22:41:45 <guysoft42> this is the old working dmesg: http://pastebin.com/m72f3e955
Apr 23 22:41:59 <guysoft42> it has a line: [   92.187500] menelaus 1-0072: Setting voltage 'VMMC' to 3000 mV (reg 0x0a, val 0xb8)
Apr 23 22:42:53 <GeneralAntilles> lardman, save it for the Summit. You can use your size and strength advantage to knock the snot out of him.
Apr 23 22:42:58 <guysoft42> ah no. it exists in the old one too, but in different places..
Apr 23 22:43:47 <lardman> GeneralAntilles: he'll fight back with psychological warefare like they did to Noriega
Apr 23 22:43:55 * guysoft42 hopes before all #maemo developers kill themselves by beating each other up, they might have an answer to his problem
Apr 23 22:45:21 <lardman> qwerty12_N800: are you coming to the summit this year?
Apr 23 22:45:31 <lardman> speaking of which, what about you Ryan....?
Apr 23 22:46:46 <GeneralAntilles> Planning on it.
Apr 23 22:46:56 <qwerty12_N800> lardman: negative :)
Apr 23 22:46:59 <b-man16> qwety12 can't because he's 16
Apr 23 22:47:23 * b-man16 is too XP
Apr 23 22:47:33 <GeneralAntilles> qwerty12 better come too.
Apr 23 22:47:35 <b-man16> *to
Apr 23 22:47:57 <GeneralAntilles> Otherwise we're sending Jaffa, lardman, lcuk, and lbt to knock on your door.
Apr 23 22:47:58 <lardman> qwerty12_N800: I can act in loco parentis
Apr 23 22:50:36 <lardman> anyway you can get married and drive a tractor at 16 so why not come to the summit?
Apr 23 22:50:43 <GeneralAntilles> lol
Apr 23 22:51:32 <lardman> actually I think you can probably fly a plane at 16 too; driving cars at 17 and voting at 18 are passé
Apr 23 22:51:52 <GeneralAntilles> Probably younger than that
Apr 23 22:51:57 <GeneralAntilles> State-side anyway.
Apr 23 22:52:05 <lardman> over here I think it's 16
Apr 23 22:52:10 <lardman> still pretty young
Apr 23 22:52:25 <lardman> can't you guys drive at 16 in some states?
Apr 23 22:52:50 <johnx> 15 in some, IIRC
Apr 23 22:52:58 <lardman> bloody hell
Apr 23 22:53:03 <johnx> but yeah, 16 is basically the age for all states
Apr 23 22:53:19 <lardman> good thing there are no bends over there ;)
Apr 23 22:53:41 <lardman> johnx: well in the US, Japan is just very narrow I imagine
Apr 23 22:53:44 <GeneralAntilles> 14 in some.
Apr 23 22:54:08 <guysoft42> here its 17..
Apr 23 22:54:12 <man_in_pda> yay colours in xchat :P
Apr 23 22:54:25 <guysoft42> man_in_pda, it only works for you
Apr 23 22:54:27 * lardman now realises why no-one walks in the US; playstation generation are allowed to drive cars before puberty
Apr 23 22:54:49 <GeneralAntilles> The bad drivers really aren't the kids.
Apr 23 22:55:06 <GeneralAntilles> Bad drivers are the old people with no reflexes or senses left
Apr 23 22:55:10 <lardman> do people drink-drive these days?
Apr 23 22:55:17 <johnx> lardman, they're allowed to have puberty younger too
Apr 23 22:55:25 <guysoft42> speaking of drivers - can you please help me?!?!
Apr 23 22:55:32 <johnx> lardman, only politicians and policemen
Apr 23 22:55:32 <GeneralAntilles> and the middle-aged people who think they know what they're doing so couldn't possibly get in an accident.
Apr 23 22:55:35 <lardman> guysoft42: lol
Apr 23 22:55:36 <man_in_pda> of course. nothing works for anyone but me ;)
Apr 23 22:55:48 <lardman> GeneralAntilles: I hope you're not looking at me
Apr 23 22:56:03 <GeneralAntilles> lardman, dunno, never seen you drive. :P
Apr 23 22:56:33 <lardman> sideways and quickly
Apr 23 22:57:10 <GeneralAntilles> What, got some sort of tuned up Supra? :P
Apr 23 22:57:22 <johnx> guysoft42, what are you using to set host mode?
Apr 23 22:57:25 <lardman> nah front-wheel drive, lift off oversteer all the way
Apr 23 22:57:51 <GeneralAntilles> Ha
Apr 23 22:57:52 <johnx> FWD. ugh.
Apr 23 22:57:58 <johnx> I can barely stand AWD
Apr 23 22:58:04 <GeneralAntilles> Worst. Thing. Ever.
Apr 23 22:58:18 <lardman> rwd is expensive over here
Apr 23 22:58:26 <GeneralAntilles> My mother got a Miata last month.
Apr 23 22:58:29 <johnx> so don't buy new. :P
Apr 23 22:58:36 <GeneralAntilles> Fun car
Apr 23 22:58:45 <guysoft42> johnx, i have the usb host app installed, but i am not using it to set anything
Apr 23 22:58:53 <lardman> ah mx-5
Apr 23 22:58:56 <guysoft42> johnx, have you seen the dmesg output?
Apr 23 22:59:12 <GeneralAntilles> Automatic, though. :(
Apr 23 22:59:46 <johnx> guysoft42, so you're trying to use a usb keyboard, but you're not setting host mode with anything?
Apr 23 23:00:09 <guysoft42> johnx, yes.. works on the old system fine.
Apr 23 23:00:43 <guysoft42> i can also tell you that before the thing reboots the let lights up white, and there is a 'ding' of a reboot
Apr 23 23:00:51 <johnx> well, what kind of adapter are you using? have you tried setting host mode first? have you tried it without any card plugged in?
Apr 23 23:00:52 <lardman> I've got one of these, excuse Clarkson: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvyVnutjJYA
Apr 23 23:01:15 <GAN800> I'm so tired of this piece of shit computer. :(
Apr 23 23:01:44 <guysoft42> johnx, it does it in two i have, one i ordered from china, and the other one i soldered two female connectors together
Apr 23 23:01:56 <guysoft42> both dont need any setting in the old system, both crash in the new one
Apr 23 23:02:07 <guysoft42> its purely something software-related
Apr 23 23:02:09 <johnx> ok, well answer my other questions then
Apr 23 23:02:50 <guysoft42> johnx, ah, ill try the card idea
Apr 23 23:02:58 <johnx> try setting host mode too!
Apr 23 23:03:02 <guysoft42> ok
Apr 23 23:04:32 <guysoft42> did both, still reboots
Apr 23 23:04:59 <johnx> no ideas. have you been playing with usb networking?
Apr 23 23:05:31 <guysoft42> johnx, not in depth.. i really think that is the cause
Apr 23 23:05:42 <guysoft42> johnx, because i dont have that in my old system
Apr 23 23:05:53 <johnx> yup. running into something similar here
Apr 23 23:06:37 <johnx> but it only happens when I've been trying to switch from one mode to another
Apr 23 23:06:43 <johnx> I never get it on a fresh boot
Apr 23 23:06:52 <guysoft42> you can recreate the bug??
Apr 23 23:06:58 <johnx> not reliably
Apr 23 23:07:22 <johnx> you have an n810 or n800?
Apr 23 23:07:24 <guysoft42> well better than nothing.. here it happens all the time
Apr 23 23:07:27 <guysoft42> N810
Apr 23 23:07:43 <johnx> I worked around it here by removing *both* cards :>
Apr 23 23:07:48 <johnx> <- n800
Apr 23 23:07:57 <guysoft42> yay! i am now not the jabbering loony that claims bugs no one ever sees
Apr 23 23:08:15 <johnx> have you flashed a non-Nokia kernel?
Apr 23 23:08:28 <guysoft42> ah! well welll guess what is solderd on my board..
Apr 23 23:08:36 <guysoft42> yes.. i am using qwerty12_N800's
Apr 23 23:08:45 <johnx> try a nokia kernel
Apr 23 23:08:55 <johnx> I haven't taken that step yet, but it would be interesting to know
Apr 23 23:09:11 <guysoft42> um, if i flash it wont it stop the bootloader?
Apr 23 23:09:26 <johnx> flash just the kernel
Apr 23 23:09:40 <johnx> you can use the flasher on the device itself
Apr 23 23:09:42 <guysoft42> johnx, link how to do that?
Apr 23 23:09:57 <guysoft42> qwerty12_N800, is this safe?
Apr 23 23:10:22 <johnx> it's how Nokia does it for their SSU updates ;)
Apr 23 23:10:32 <qwerty12_N800> guysoft42: sure
Apr 23 23:10:44 <guysoft42> whats the command?
Apr 23 23:10:52 <guysoft42> qwerty12_N800, what am i loosing that your kernel does/
Apr 23 23:10:53 <guysoft42> ?
Apr 23 23:11:03 <johnx> I forgot where you store the kernel, but it's: flash-and-reboot
Apr 23 23:11:11 <johnx> you have to leave the kernel somewhere specific though
Apr 23 23:11:19 <johnx> you could read the flash-and-reboot script to tell you
Apr 23 23:11:41 <qwerty12_N800> johnx: fiasco-flasher -f -k <image> works too :)
Apr 23 23:12:05 <johnx> qwerty12_N800, right, as long as your usb works reliably ... :>
Apr 23 23:12:33 <qwerty12_N800> johnx: flash & reboot script calls that program :)
Apr 23 23:12:48 <johnx> aaah, I thought you meant something from the desktop
Apr 23 23:13:03 <johnx> <- not paying 100% attention, needs more coffee
Apr 23 23:13:18 <qwerty12_N800> guysoft42: dunno, I've done a lot of zImages... If you wanna flash another kernel, http://trac.tspre.org/qwerty12/mer_kernel/mer_kernel_2.6.21-zImage_boot_from_initfs.tar is stable
Apr 23 23:13:45 <qwerty12_N800> But try a nokia one first :)
Apr 23 23:14:22 <GeneralAntilles> He puts a different virus in each one.
Apr 23 23:14:42 <guysoft42> qwerty12_N800, where do you place the flasher? and where do i get an image from?
Apr 23 23:16:15 <qwerty12_N800> guysoft42: the flasher is shipped with diablo (fiasco-flasher as root) and apt-get install -reinstall kernel-diablo-flasher should place the original image on the filesystem
Apr 23 23:16:46 <qwerty12_N800> s/-reinstall/--reinstall/
Apr 23 23:16:47 <infobot> qwerty12_N800 meant: guysoft42: the flasher is shipped with diablo (fiasco-flasher as root) and apt-get install --reinstall kernel-diablo-flasher should place the original image on the filesystem
Apr 23 23:17:09 <man_in_pda> so, what's the easiest way to hit Tab using the real keyboard on a n810? :k
Apr 23 23:17:23 <man_in_pda> * :)
Apr 23 23:17:41 <johnx> ctrl-i ?
Apr 23 23:18:51 <man_in_pda> that split the channel off in xchat
Apr 23 23:19:44 <guysoft42> E: Command line option 'r' [from -reinstall] is not known.?
Apr 23 23:19:46 <guysoft42> nm needed two --
Apr 23 23:20:04 <guysoft42> catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com seems to not wor
Apr 23 23:20:06 <guysoft42> work*
Apr 23 23:20:28 <johnx> man_in_pda, I thought you meant in a terminal. oops
Apr 23 23:20:52 <man_in_pda> it's ok
Apr 23 23:20:54 <lardman> guysoft42: that means reboot on the desktop version afaik
Apr 23 23:21:10 <qwerty12_N800> guysoft42: eurgh, apt is meant to be patched to auth. to that server :(
Apr 23 23:21:20 <man_in_pda> need to restart xchat anyway
Apr 23 23:23:05 <guysoft42> qwerty12_N800, patched? you meen the red pill?
Apr 23 23:23:55 <man_in_pda> damn, "shinshen sho" promised to be like mah-jong, and it's tile-matching
Apr 23 23:25:10 <qwerty12_N800> guysoft42: no :(
Apr 23 23:25:32 <guysoft42> qwerty12_N800, so what?
Apr 23 23:26:51 <qwerty12_N800> not sure as I can't think of another way to get it (barring extracting it from a fiasco image off the computer)
Apr 23 23:28:56 <lardman> how old is the current kernel?
Apr 23 23:29:22 <lardman> https://garage.maemo.org/frs/?group_id=665&release_id=1934 is one you could wget from July 2008, but that sounds a bit old
Apr 23 23:30:05 <guysoft42> qwerty12_N800, should i wget 1.1.0?
Apr 23 23:30:55 <qwerty12_N800> that seems a little too old
Apr 23 23:30:55 <lardman> I don't remember what kernel version that was
Apr 23 23:31:14 <guysoft42> qwerty12_N800, where can i wget a diffrent one?
Apr 23 23:31:48 <qwerty12_N800> No idea, not for an original one
Apr 23 23:32:02 <lardman> hang on, I'm sure I can find one
Apr 23 23:33:18 <lardman> what version of the bin file are we on atm?
Apr 23 23:33:25 <guysoft42> whey is everything here broken?! : http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Releases/0.6
Apr 23 23:33:38 <lardman> I have the kernel from DIABLO_5.2008.43-7 handy
Apr 23 23:33:56 <qwerty12_N800> 43-7 is latest iirc
Apr 23 23:34:04 <GeneralAntilles> GuySoft, the latest release is 0.11. . . .
Apr 23 23:34:06 <lardman> ok, let me upload it then
Apr 23 23:34:24 <lardman> GeneralAntilles: I think he was talking about my sbc decoder with included kernel
Apr 23 23:34:26 <qwerty12_N800> guysoft42: because Mer is now on 0.11 perhaps with 0.12 being released very soon? :P
Apr 23 23:34:44 <GeneralAntilles> lardman, re the wiki page
Apr 23 23:35:13 <lardman> ah, ok
Apr 23 23:35:58 <guysoft42> how about?: http://stskeeps.subnetmask.net/mer/0.11/mer-armel-n8x0-kernelstd-v0.11.zImage
Apr 23 23:36:06 <lardman> guysoft42: http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/nokia770/temp/zImage.DIABLO.5.43-7
Apr 23 23:36:28 <man_in_pda> is there a way to override the background colour of the input box and topic bar in xchat?
Apr 23 23:37:03 <qwerty12_N800> man_in_pda: set by theme
Apr 23 23:38:03 <man_in_pda> don't really want to change the system theme ...
Apr 23 23:38:14 <kcowolf> b-man around by any chance?
Apr 23 23:39:32 <guysoft42> ok, ready to flash to mer-armel-n8x0-kernelstd-v0.11.zImage
Apr 23 23:40:17 <johnx> note: I think that's the kernel I'm using
Apr 23 23:40:40 <guysoft42> Nothing to flash.?
Apr 23 23:41:01 <johnx> try the diablo kernel that lardman linked just up above
Apr 23 23:41:04 <lardman> my one was pristine from the NOLO
Apr 23 23:42:00 <guysoft42> ok joelmaher
Apr 23 23:42:02 <guysoft42> johnx, *
Apr 23 23:42:21 <lardman> s/NOLO/FIASCO
Apr 23 23:42:53 <lardman> bbiam, have to vpn to work
Apr 23 23:43:28 <kcowolf> anyone managed to apt-get install ubuntu-desktop from b-man's instructions on the forum (Ubuntu on n810 2.2)?  Mine seems to reboot (maybe a crash) during the install
Apr 23 23:43:54 <guysoft42> fasco-flasher: not found?
Apr 23 23:44:03 <johnx> missed an i
Apr 23 23:44:14 <johnx> kcowolf, might want to turn off watchdog reboot
Apr 23 23:44:26 <guysoft42> flashed.. now i reboot?
Apr 23 23:44:32 <Pavlov> -R
Apr 23 23:46:28 <johnx> correct
Apr 23 23:49:53 <kcowolf> so I'd need to get to R&D mode and disable it?  which one should I disable?
Apr 23 23:51:08 <lardman_>  --set-rd-flags=no-lifeguard-reset
Apr 23 23:52:51 <kcowolf> My newbie question for today: Out of curiosity, since I'm installing this (Ubuntu for the 810) on an SD card, do I have to be using the tablet while I'm installing it, or could I be using any Linux box?
Apr 23 23:54:21 <guysoft42> parasight, wrote reboot.. did the same i guess
Apr 23 23:54:21 <guysoft42> booting now
Apr 23 23:54:36 <guysoft42> rebooted :(
Apr 23 23:54:38 <guysoft42> at least ill flash to the new Mer
Apr 23 23:54:44 <guysoft42> is there a way to turn off the connection manager,, i really suspect it
Apr 23 23:56:23 <guysoft42> mer kernel reboots too
Apr 23 23:56:39 <guysoft42> is there a way to disable the network manager?
Apr 23 23:58:47 <Macer> hm
Apr 24 00:00:56 <guysoft42> i am downloading Mer in the meantime. i have a spare mini-sd and the kernel now
Apr 24 00:04:08 <guysoft42> ill try remove the connection manager
Apr 24 00:06:31 <johnx> that probably won't do what you want
Apr 24 00:10:47 <man_in_pda> what exactly is mer?
Apr 24 00:11:27 <johnx> mer is taking the best open source parts of maemo (mostly the UI) and getting it working on a slim ubuntu base
Apr 24 00:11:41 <man_in_pda> eww
Apr 24 00:11:46 <johnx> eww?
Apr 24 00:11:47 <guysoft42> worth a shot
Apr 24 00:11:55 <man_in_pda> ubuntu :P
Apr 24 00:12:11 <guysoft42> mer is ubuntu based?!
Apr 24 00:12:18 <johnx> yes
Apr 24 00:12:19 <man_in_pda> hehe
Apr 24 00:12:20 <guysoft42> why the heck not debian?
Apr 24 00:12:30 <johnx> guysoft42, why debian vs ubuntu?
Apr 24 00:12:39 <johnx> just curious about your preconceptions
Apr 24 00:13:33 <man_in_pda> because people think debian sucks for everyone but kernel hackers whereas ubuntu is for 2 yr old idiots?
Apr 24 00:14:08 <johnx> anyways, the reasons for ubuntu go something like: they're 90% similar anyways, except that ubuntu has/had better support for upstart and it also has a solid 6 month release schedule
Apr 24 00:14:46 <johnx> when you cut either ubuntu or debian down to the size we're working with they're almost exactly the same except for those two points (and of course version differences)
Apr 24 00:14:49 <man_in_pda> pfft @ release schedule
Apr 24 00:15:00 <johnx> man_in_pda, how many distros do you run?
Apr 24 00:15:08 <man_in_pda> more like scheduled breakages
Apr 24 00:15:09 <johnx> s/run/manage/
Apr 24 00:15:09 <infobot> johnx meant: man_in_pda, how many distros do you manage?
Apr 24 00:15:46 <man_in_pda> debian unstable on about 5 boxen at home
Apr 24 00:16:06 <johnx> and you're a debian maintainer?
Apr 24 00:16:16 <man_in_pda> no
Apr 24 00:16:18 <guysoft42> whats maemo-usb-control?
Apr 24 00:16:37 <johnx> guysoft42, tool to enable host mode
Apr 24 00:16:54 <johnx> man_in_pda, well, release schedules start to look a little nicer when you're trying to organize your releases based on an upstream distro
Apr 24 00:16:59 <guysoft42> johnx, lets try removing it!
Apr 24 00:17:15 <johnx> guysoft42, ok.
Apr 24 00:17:27 <guysoft42> (yay?)
Apr 24 00:17:40 <man_in_pda> shouldn't do that though
Apr 24 00:18:38 <man_in_pda> the harder you try to stick to a release schedule the more likely you are to break stuff
Apr 24 00:19:12 <man_in_pda> ubuntu broke floppy support completely once
Apr 24 00:19:33 <johnx> man_in_pda, it goes something like this: say maemo UI needs gtk version x.2 . Debian has x.1 and no one knows when the release that has x.2 will come out
Apr 24 00:19:50 <johnx> meanwhile ubuntu either has x.2 or we know when they'll have x.2
Apr 24 00:20:09 <johnx> and don't tell me to follow debian unstable :)
Apr 24 00:20:20 <man_in_pda> so the solution is to nnot use debian stble releases
Apr 24 00:20:25 <johnx> heh
Apr 24 00:20:28 <johnx> I beat you to it
Apr 24 00:20:36 <man_in_pda> follow testing
Apr 24 00:20:53 <man_in_pda> *testing*
Apr 24 00:21:29 <guysoft42> btw, is there a Mer flashable to an mmc card?
Apr 24 00:21:30 <man_in_pda> less likely to break stuff than unstable and still keeps relatively  up-to-date
Apr 24 00:21:34 <johnx> basically it sounds like you want to volunteer to work on mer-on-debian and we'd love to have you :)
Apr 24 00:21:45 <man_in_pda> hehe
Apr 24 00:22:04 <guysoft42> well i have easy debian chroot
Apr 24 00:22:07 <johnx> there's some support for debian lenny and we'd love someone to help us finish it up. it sounds like you're passionate about this, so give us a hand :>
Apr 24 00:22:19 <johnx> guysoft42, you can install mer to mmc card or internal flash
Apr 24 00:22:26 <man_in_pda> you fix my wpa-eap/pap problem and you've got a deal!
Apr 24 00:22:36 <guysoft42> johnx, how? carnt i just dd it?
Apr 24 00:23:00 <johnx> man_in_pda, does it work via /etc/network/interfaces and wpasupplicant? does it work with network-manager? if yes then it's already done
Apr 24 00:23:37 <johnx> guysoft42, you don't want to dd it. you either need to flash it to your internal flash with mtd utils or untar it on your mmc/sd card
Apr 24 00:24:13 <guysoft42> still reboots :(((
Apr 24 00:24:16 <man_in_pda> johnx, is there network-manager and wpa-supplicant packaged for maemo?
Apr 24 00:24:29 <guysoft42> i removed connection manager, pc connectivity..
Apr 24 00:24:29 <johnx> man_in_pda, nope. it's for mer. :>
Apr 24 00:24:45 <guysoft42> johnx, are you using another language apart form english on your device?
Apr 24 00:24:52 <johnx> guysoft42, nope
Apr 24 00:24:53 <man_in_pda> so how does that help me? :)
Apr 24 00:25:19 <johnx> man_in_pda, you work on the debian support and you get working wireless and your favorite distro :D
Apr 24 00:25:51 <johnx> Nokia's driver doesn't support Linux wext out of the box, so no wpasupplicant on maemo
Apr 24 00:25:59 <man_in_pda> i got this thing to Just Work(TM)
Apr 24 00:26:31 <johnx> heh. you know you want to hack :)
Apr 24 00:26:43 <man_in_pda> i don't really want to change the os
Apr 24 00:26:52 <johnx> then dual boot?
Apr 24 00:27:10 <johnx> I got mine to just work as well so I could hack on my zaurus
Apr 24 00:27:16 <johnx> I even resisted hacking on it for about a year or so
Apr 24 00:27:28 <man_in_pda> would likely be annoying. is there a neat howto?
Apr 24 00:27:40 <johnx> just run the mer installer it and it will install to sd card
Apr 24 00:27:48 <johnx> give you a nice bootmenu at the start
Apr 24 00:27:59 <johnx> You might want to wait for the .12 release coming in the next couple days
Apr 24 00:28:09 <man_in_pda> i don't mind hacking but i want this pap thing fixed first
Apr 24 00:28:58 <johnx> man_in_pda, ask nokia why they didn't decide 1) open source their connection manager or 2) at least provide linux wireless extensions support in their wifi driver
Apr 24 00:29:13 <johnx> without those it's pretty hard to do anything about the situation in maemo
Apr 24 00:29:25 <man_in_pda> and i'm getting sick of the background in xchat's input box
Apr 24 00:30:53 <johnx> does one of the bugs filed for it have a workaround?
Apr 24 00:31:05 <man_in_pda> johnx, yeah, would be a lot easier with wext and wpa-supplicant backend, which they really SHOULD have done ages ago
Apr 24 00:31:27 <man_in_pda> the pap problem or the xchat problem? :P
Apr 24 00:31:33 <johnx> the pap problem
Apr 24 00:31:45 <johnx> as for xchat, are you using a dark theme or something?
Apr 24 00:32:37 <man_in_pda> dark on light hurts my eyes in xchat
Apr 24 00:32:52 <man_in_pda> due to all the other colours
Apr 24 00:33:18 <man_in_pda> so i've set the text box to light on dark
Apr 24 00:33:43 <man_in_pda> but input and topic boxen are still light background
Apr 24 00:33:57 <man_in_pda> with light text
Apr 24 00:34:20 <man_in_pda> it's like touch-typing without the touch
Apr 24 00:36:13 <man_in_pda> also, i don't think anyone has assembled a complete pap auth workaround that uses maemo's connection manager
Apr 24 00:36:49 <guysoft42> any other guesses why the keyborad is not working?
Apr 24 00:36:52 <guysoft42> keyboard*
Apr 24 00:37:28 <man_in_pda> which would be ideal  for me, although anything equally easy (once installed and configured) is fine by me
Apr 24 00:39:00 <guysoft42> johnx, any idea what our systems have in common that makes them show the bug?
Apr 24 00:43:03 <johnx> guysoft42, nokia's usb handling is a little buggy it seems
Apr 24 00:46:01 <guysoft42> johnx, it does work here in one place, but not on the other.. must be a reason
Apr 24 00:47:03 <joelmaher> guysoft42: you mentioned my name
Apr 24 00:47:16 <guysoft42> joelmaher, ah sorry, ment johnx
Apr 24 00:47:28 <joelmaher> np
Apr 24 00:48:38 <guysoft42> maybe its something with the storage
Apr 24 00:48:50 <guysoft42> johnx, do you have your system on the internal flash?
Apr 24 00:49:54 <tank-man> still working on the keyboard problem ? :)
Apr 24 00:50:19 <tank-man> have you tried checking if other people using the same kernel are able to get usb keyboard working?
Apr 24 00:51:21 <guysoft42> tableteer, yes.. and i have switch 3 kernels since. and johnx finds the same bug when putting mmc cards in his N800.. i have an N810 and carn't remove the internal flash, as you can imagine
Apr 24 00:54:06 <johnx> guysoft42, actually I get reboots when trying to use usb network device mode
Apr 24 00:54:18 <johnx> host mode works great, but I get the biggest problems when switching back and forth
Apr 24 00:54:55 <guysoft42> strange, that works fine here
Apr 24 00:57:18 <lardman_> night chaps
Apr 24 00:59:12 <guysoft42> johnx, how come netowrk does not work?
Apr 24 00:59:28 <johnx> I don't know
Apr 24 01:00:12 <man_in_pda> does "Use textbox colours and fonts" set the background of the input box for anyone using xchat?
Apr 24 01:03:05 <guysoft42> johnx, do you have easy choot?
Apr 24 01:03:25 <johnx> nope
Apr 24 01:11:52 * guysoft42 really wants to solve this bug
Apr 24 01:12:00 <guysoft42> can anyone else recreate this bug?
Apr 24 01:29:56 <man_in_pda> well i like the handwriting mode :)
Apr 24 01:30:15 <GeneralAntilles> Never used a Newton, have you?
Apr 24 01:33:14 <johnx> GeneralAntilles, he probably hasn't even used a palm with grafiti 1 :)
Apr 24 01:44:34 <man_in_pda> handwriting takes too long. back to tgyping
Apr 24 01:44:41 <man_in_pda> *typing
Apr 24 01:47:13 <lopz> gn
Apr 24 02:02:38 <guysoft42> tank-man, no
Apr 24 02:09:16 <fireun> anyone use the powerpoint like openoffice app?
Apr 24 02:10:24 <man_in_pda> impress?
Apr 24 02:11:38 <fireun> man_in_pda: yes?
Apr 24 02:13:05 <fireun> is it compatible with powerpoint?
Apr 24 02:13:13 <KurtKraut> fireun: I intend to develop an OpenOffice Impress remote controler for maemo.
Apr 24 02:13:42 <KurtKraut> fireun: yes, it is. You can also try OpenOffice in your desktop to test and see by yourself compability. Just download it at www.openoffice.org
Apr 24 02:14:22 <fireun> yes, I have openoffice, I have to make a slideshow to use in class, all they have is powerpoint
Apr 24 02:14:29 <fireun> guess I'll just have to test it
Apr 24 02:16:39 <man_in_pda> yeah
Apr 24 02:17:21 <man_in_pda> only problem i ever had with ppt exporter in OOo was fonts
Apr 24 02:53:46 <luke-jr> wow
Apr 24 02:53:49 <luke-jr> I'm proud of my N810
Apr 24 02:53:54 <luke-jr> it installed all 10 apps while I was gone
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