**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Apr 24 02:59:57 2009
Apr 24 05:01:05 <shubhambaheti> hi
Apr 24 05:01:24 <shubhambaheti> anybody ported camerabin ?
Apr 24 05:01:58 <shubhambaheti> anybody here
Apr 24 05:03:53 <man_in_pda> nope
Apr 24 05:03:59 <man_in_pda> not even you
Apr 24 05:04:19 <man_in_pda> in fact, especially not you
Apr 24 05:04:25 <shubhambaheti> yeah
Apr 24 05:06:01 <Macer> hello
Apr 24 05:06:05 <Macer> Stskeeps: you around?
Apr 24 05:10:28 <Stskeeps> Macer: yeah, but leaving in 5
Apr 24 05:10:53 <Macer> just wanted to make sure you got it
Apr 24 05:11:14 <Stskeeps> well, it's at the post office and picking it up today or tomorrow :)
Apr 24 05:11:23 <Macer> oh. thought you were back already
Apr 24 05:11:29 <Stskeeps> yeah, last evening
Apr 24 05:11:31 <Macer> ok. just let me know when you get it
Apr 24 05:11:33 <Stskeeps> yep
Apr 24 05:11:40 <Macer> just want to make sure it made it there
Apr 24 05:11:54 <Stskeeps> will do
Apr 24 05:12:00 <Macer> ok.. ttyl
Apr 24 05:16:19 <RST38h> moo all
Apr 24 05:48:54 <fuzzy> Does pidgin work with the maemo sdk for arm?
Apr 24 05:50:40 <johnx_> you mean, will it run in the sdk?
Apr 24 05:50:46 <johnx_> that's a firm maybe
Apr 24 05:51:17 <johnx_> it runs on the device, but since it relies on the connection manager (I think) it might not behave in the SDK emulator thing
Apr 24 05:52:06 <thux> morning
Apr 24 05:52:26 <johnx_> morning thux
Apr 24 06:31:24 <Jaffa> Morning, all
Apr 24 06:31:54 <Stskeeps> morning, Jaffa
Apr 24 06:44:56 <johnx_> the htc touch pro 2 looks impressively similar to an n810 ...
Apr 24 06:45:12 <Stskeeps> just shows nokia has been ahead for quite a while
Apr 24 06:45:25 <Stskeeps> which is why i think rx-51 will make an interesting splash
Apr 24 06:45:33 <johnx_> ahead but running on the other side of the street :)
Apr 24 06:45:49 <johnx_> or ahead but in a different race maybe...
Apr 24 06:46:40 <Stskeeps> one of these days i'd like to sit down and talk history with the maemo people
Apr 24 06:46:51 <Stskeeps> just what decisions was made originally
Apr 24 06:47:52 <johnx_> in some ways it seems like Nokia really does care about the long game and the big picture
Apr 24 06:48:48 <johnx_> cause it certainly hasn't been about playign the short game...
Apr 24 06:49:25 <Stskeeps> i have a pretty good idea where they're going
Apr 24 06:49:34 <Stskeeps> especially after considering some talks i had with a nokia research guy at a conference
Apr 24 06:50:14 <Stskeeps> did i tell you launchpad (the facists) refused our .po files cos of it being actual msgids, and not english strings?
Apr 24 06:50:21 <Stskeeps> like, tana_fi_internet
Apr 24 06:50:56 <johnx_> ah. I heard mumblings about that but didn't realize it was actually a human being who refused them
Apr 24 06:51:02 <johnx_> I thought it was some technical limitation
Apr 24 06:51:09 <Stskeeps> after a whole month
Apr 24 06:51:11 <Stskeeps> 'lo alextreme
Apr 24 06:51:17 * johnx_ sighs
Apr 24 06:52:08 <Stskeeps> johnx_: anyway, claudius will head up the transifex stuff with maemo.org
Apr 24 06:52:32 <johnx_> well, that's good at least
Apr 24 06:52:42 <Stskeeps> hello v6sa
Apr 24 07:02:30 <v6sa> yes?
Apr 24 07:03:46 <v6sa> Stskeeps: yes?
Apr 24 07:03:49 <Stskeeps> just saying hi :P
Apr 24 07:03:51 <v6sa> haha
Apr 24 07:03:57 <v6sa> you are?
Apr 24 07:04:06 <Stskeeps> .. actually because i mistook this channel for #mer, but yeah :)
Apr 24 07:11:21 <v6sa> Anybody knows why I can't listen to mp3 or ogg streams from Icecast server?
Apr 24 07:11:28 <v6sa> with the Maemo player
Apr 24 07:11:37 <v6sa> I installed OGG support plugin
Apr 24 07:11:53 <v6sa> For example any of these streams: http://v6sa.itcollege.ee:8500/
Apr 24 07:12:27 <v6sa> SCP streams seem to be working (Microsoft Multimedia Server?)
Apr 24 07:15:05 <Stskeeps> dear god.. just got an e-mail on "Increase female libido" and cos i have read too many fremantle posts recently, i read it as "increase fremantle libido"
Apr 24 07:15:25 <johnx_> O_o;
Apr 24 07:15:42 <johnx_> bad n800! stay away from my leg! stop that!
Apr 24 07:15:51 * luke-jr tiptoes ouot.
Apr 24 07:15:53 <luke-jr> out*
Apr 24 07:23:03 <luke-jr> johnx_: I don't think you will have much luck in babies unless you change your plan drastically.
Apr 24 07:23:08 <luke-jr> night
Apr 24 07:24:00 <johnx_> O_o;
Apr 24 07:24:40 <aquatix> Stskeeps: O_o
Apr 24 07:33:47 <Stskeeps> morn rkirti
Apr 24 07:34:03 <rkirti> morning Stskeeps
Apr 24 07:35:29 * rkirti is wondering about the set-up I need to be doing for the GSoC,all others are hosting their projects at garage (or so I assume), but they are doing real development ...
Apr 24 07:35:48 <Stskeeps> good question really.. is OE git-based or how was it?
Apr 24 07:36:10 <rkirti> yup, they shifted from monotone to git sometime back
Apr 24 07:36:26 <Stskeeps> i have trouble with stuff like Mer too, as we aren't a traditional Maemo project - garage focuses on specific projects and packages
Apr 24 07:37:11 <Stskeeps> whereas we have 100+ bzr branches, heh
Apr 24 07:37:57 <Stskeeps> gave any thought to the copenhagen developer meeting btw? since you GSoCies get priority too
Apr 24 07:38:38 <rkirti> Stskeeps: I spoke to VDVsx..he said I should be speaking to my mentor , as mentor -student pairs have more likelihood
Apr 24 07:38:43 <Stskeeps> yeah
Apr 24 07:38:51 <Stskeeps> florian is .de based so it should be possible i guess
Apr 24 07:38:59 <Stskeeps> (as far as i recall)
Apr 24 07:39:06 * Stskeeps just drove through germany and poland yesterday
Apr 24 07:39:09 <Stskeeps> 14 hour drive, phew :P
Apr 24 07:40:01 <rkirti> I am not particularly sure if I should be applying, since I dont know much apart from OE. As I had said earlier, I would like to
Apr 24 07:40:27 <Stskeeps> well, it's also for development of the maemo community - so
Apr 24 07:40:29 <rkirti> be involved, even if its over IRC. But I really doubt if my asking for sponsorship is justified
Apr 24 07:40:47 <Stskeeps> and it's a good way to kickstart things with mentor and other people in the community, and networking
Apr 24 07:40:56 <Stskeeps> your job oppurtunities may certainly increase :)
Apr 24 07:41:00 <Stskeeps> and i'll be there and hopefully some more Mer people as well
Apr 24 07:43:01 * rkirti shall speak to Florian about it.
Apr 24 07:43:29 * Stskeeps ponders how many nokians will be there
Apr 24 07:55:31 <Macer> heh
Apr 24 07:55:40 <Macer> i will hav eto drive 5 hours to cleveland today
Apr 24 07:56:04 <Macer> europe must be interesting in that you can drive through many countries instead of like here where you just travel through states
Apr 24 07:57:13 <Macer> i guess you can drive through mexico but that would take days before you get to south america and go through one country every 2 hours
Apr 24 08:07:49 <till-> especially if you can get cheap fuel and other stuff right behind  the border
Apr 24 08:12:36 <Macer> till-: heh. well.. in the US it is state by state
Apr 24 08:12:44 <Macer> you can find cheaper fuel just outside the state border
Apr 24 08:14:02 <till-> here it's mostly the same
Apr 24 08:15:26 <till-> a great thing is schengen i think, traveling without passport control
Apr 24 08:16:05 <till-> unless you are from a non-schengen country
Apr 24 08:17:22 <glass> Macer: theres some downsides to it too
Apr 24 08:17:37 <glass> Macer: start from germany and head straight east and you'll notice them
Apr 24 08:17:46 <glass> sooner or later
Apr 24 08:18:15 <till-> :)
Apr 24 08:18:20 <Macer> hahha
Apr 24 08:18:28 <Macer> like euro trip ? :)
Apr 24 08:18:51 <Macer> "A nickel?? *SLAP* I quit.. I open my own hotel now!"
Apr 24 08:20:43 <glass> Macer: eurotrip didn't go toooooooo much east :D
Apr 24 08:21:02 <glass> they'd have had visa probs and such if they had
Apr 24 08:40:19 <X-Fade> Hmm too bad about last.fm.
Apr 24 08:40:52 <johnx_> yeah, and a shame about pandora radio too
Apr 24 08:41:14 <aquatix> X-Fade: hm?
Apr 24 08:41:20 * aquatix did miss something?
Apr 24 08:41:22 <johnx_> mumble, mumble, RIAA will be first up against the wall when the revolution comes ...
Apr 24 08:41:24 <X-Fade> Free is always a bad business model to start of with.
Apr 24 08:41:28 <X-Fade> But yeah..
Apr 24 08:41:39 <X-Fade> aquatix: No longer free.
Apr 24 08:42:02 <X-Fade> aquatix: Every free account gets 30 songs and then you have to pay..
Apr 24 08:43:09 <dneary> Hi
Apr 24 08:43:31 <dneary> X-Fade: In your mind, what's the difference between "Get involved" and "Contribute"?
Apr 24 08:43:40 <dneary> (same question to everyone)
Apr 24 08:43:54 <dneary> X-Fade: A shame, and yet €3 per month isn't a lot
Apr 24 08:44:05 <dneary> I will probably sign up
Apr 24 08:44:10 <X-Fade> Involved in a project is more than contributing?
Apr 24 08:44:24 <dneary> X-Fade: http://maemo.org/community
Apr 24 08:44:25 <X-Fade> dneary: Yeah, it is not too much.
Apr 24 08:44:31 <glass> involved might mean just throwing your hands in the air generally doing nothing
Apr 24 08:44:40 <dneary> "Get involved" is a 404 right now
Apr 24 08:44:46 <X-Fade> dneary: But I think it will put off a lot of people and thus killing the service?
Apr 24 08:44:58 <aquatix> X-Fade: ah
Apr 24 08:45:04 <dneary> But I'm trying to think what information you'd put there that isn't already in http://maemo.org/community/contribute
Apr 24 08:45:31 <dneary> X-Fade: Perhaps
Apr 24 08:45:51 <dneary> X-Fade: I think that people are ready to pay not much money for a valuable service
Apr 24 08:46:09 <X-Fade> dneary: Yeah, but all data is supplied by their users?
Apr 24 08:46:10 <dneary> See Flickr, Basecamp, etc.
Apr 24 08:46:19 <glass> i pay for flickr
Apr 24 08:46:20 <X-Fade> dneary: Less users => less acurate?
Apr 24 08:46:23 <glass> it's convinient
Apr 24 08:46:32 <dneary> X-Fade: Perhaps
Apr 24 08:46:41 <dneary> glass: I don't
Apr 24 08:47:05 <dneary> But I have just recently hit all their limits (albums, photo uploads in a day, and total uploads)
Apr 24 08:47:10 <dneary> So I'm considering upgrading
Apr 24 08:47:19 <glass> yep not having limits greatly improves it's usage
Apr 24 08:48:44 <X-Fade> dneary: Hmm another thing about that contribute page: Why are the links in the text not orange :)
Apr 24 08:50:02 <dneary> X-Fade: Because you've clicked on them already
Apr 24 08:50:12 <X-Fade> dneary: No, was specified in css.
Apr 24 08:50:13 <dneary> X-Fade: I pointed this out to Neithan
Apr 24 08:50:19 <dneary> Shouldn't have been
Apr 24 08:50:24 <X-Fade> dneary: Should be better now ;)
Apr 24 08:51:34 <X-Fade> dneary: because of div class="sections"
Apr 24 08:51:46 <X-Fade> dneary: I think that whole div can just go.
Apr 24 08:52:52 <dneary> It was supposed to be a <ul>
Apr 24 08:53:06 <X-Fade> dneary: No higher up..
Apr 24 08:53:10 <dneary> X-Fade: Error trying to edit a page: Fatal error: Call to a member function get_array() on a non-object in /mnt/netapp/pear/midcom/lib/midcom/helper/_styleloader.php(637) : eval()'d code on line 4
Apr 24 08:53:45 <X-Fade> dneary: Does it save it anyway?
Apr 24 08:53:59 <dneary> I don't get the form
Apr 24 08:54:37 <dneary> This isn't when I save
Apr 24 08:54:44 <dneary> It's before I get a chance to edit
Apr 24 08:55:07 <X-Fade> which page?
Apr 24 09:22:51 <lardman> morning all
Apr 24 09:27:22 <RST38h> X-Fade: There appears to be a problem with karma again
Apr 24 09:27:32 <X-Fade> RST38h: What's up?
Apr 24 09:27:32 <RST38h> X-Fade: my profile does not show itt thanks
Apr 24 09:28:32 <RST38h> Probably does not show some other stuff because the numbers do not add up
Apr 24 09:31:59 <dneary> X-Fade: Sorry - community/contribute
Apr 24 09:34:00 <X-Fade> RST38h: The karma value is correct indeed. The thanks just isn't displayed.
Apr 24 09:34:06 <X-Fade> RST38h: Which is weird.
Apr 24 09:41:55 <Gwl> hi, we are having a problem creating a new maemo garage project.. after submitting it says "Please describe your Registration Purpose in a more comprehensive manner"
Apr 24 09:42:24 <X-Fade> Gwl: Is your text very short?
Apr 24 09:42:30 <Gwl> the description should certainly be specific enough.. is there some hard word count or is this just some weird bug?
Apr 24 09:43:32 <X-Fade> thopiekar: Hi
Apr 24 09:43:42 <thopiekar> hi X-Fade :)
Apr 24 09:43:50 <thopiekar> hi all :P
Apr 24 09:44:05 <X-Fade> thopiekar: Yesterday we removed the libasound you uploaded, because that is a system lib.
Apr 24 09:44:32 <X-Fade> thopiekar: And installing breaks people's osso-softare-version.
Apr 24 09:45:26 <thopiekar> aah ok... I just uploaded it and upgraded it on my device.. and mine was breaked.. I just wanted to inform you about that but nobody replied..
Apr 24 09:45:29 <thopiekar> :|
Apr 24 09:46:05 <mikkov_> system packages should be automatically rejected
Apr 24 09:46:53 <X-Fade> mikkov_: Yeah, we would need to check against a list.
Apr 24 09:47:01 <thopiekar> or special limitations to upload it..
Apr 24 09:47:18 <thopiekar> how is the path called where the desktop files for the menu are stored?
Apr 24 09:55:07 <thopiekar> I need it to know how the command is called to open "navicore".. a user on n800.de has trouble using it on os2006 @ N770..
Apr 24 09:55:33 <thopiekar> so I want to look into the *.desktop file..
Apr 24 10:03:43 <RST38h> Anyone can enlighten me on how to change total memory size in Linux kernel?
Apr 24 10:14:05 <lardman> hmm, username string doesn't fit in the box at the top of maemo.org
Apr 24 10:14:28 <lardman> whoa, my profile page is broken too
Apr 24 10:14:53 <lardman> and my discussion is still very low
Apr 24 10:15:13 <lardman> just checked as RST38h said something about it
Apr 24 10:15:34 <RST38h> the profile prblems have been present before, in the old design
Apr 24 10:15:39 <lardman> is this knackered for everyone else too? Is this a known issue?: http://maemo.org/profile/view/lardman/
Apr 24 10:15:41 <RST38h> with some fields not showing up
Apr 24 10:15:55 <lardman> I've just got lots of code shown
Apr 24 10:17:05 <X-Fade> lardman: I'm debugging it ;)
Apr 24 10:17:14 <X-Fade> lardman: That is why you see data ;)
Apr 24 10:17:18 <lardman> ah I see
Apr 24 10:17:34 <lardman> see if you can debug why I still don;t get much karma for mailing list posts while you're at it ;)
Apr 24 10:26:40 <X-Fade> RST38h: your problem has been fixed.
Apr 24 10:27:50 <RST38h> X-Fade: thanks =)
Apr 24 10:27:59 <lardman> go X-Fade, you're on a roll :)
Apr 24 10:30:55 * lardman considers more coffee to offset the late night
Apr 24 10:46:33 <Stskeeps> Jaffa: RSS on mer page is messing up
Apr 24 10:46:39 <Stskeeps> it double shows the messages
Apr 24 10:57:51 <thopiekar> X-Fade: PING
Apr 24 10:57:58 <X-Fade> thopiekar: yep
Apr 24 10:58:20 <thopiekar> do you have some connections to the admins of forum.nokia.com?
Apr 24 10:59:09 <X-Fade> thopiekar: Not directly no.
Apr 24 10:59:26 <X-Fade> thopiekar: What's up?
Apr 24 10:59:44 <thopiekar> I registered myself on the site and typed in the wrong email.. so my login name is now not available..
Apr 24 11:00:33 <X-Fade> thopiekar: Ouch ;)
Apr 24 11:00:34 <thopiekar> and I just cant find any email-address on the site to get in contact with them
Apr 24 11:00:40 <thopiekar> :|
Apr 24 11:01:28 <Stskeeps> X-Fade: btw, claudius henrichs will be working on proposals on how we can start playing with Transifex & Mer (with the shared strings with Maemo initially, hopefully using fremantle beta strings as a offset) and maemo.org
Apr 24 11:01:35 <Stskeeps> (he's heading up our localization area)
Apr 24 11:03:06 <thopiekar> -.-' I found a formular to contact them but I need to login..
Apr 24 11:06:18 <Stskeeps> X-Fade: and i assume those proposals would be best to push through maemo.org sprint process and such?
Apr 24 11:06:41 <thopiekar> lol.. the "request-a-new-password" side says that the user "thopiekar" isn't available in the db.. and on the other side its not possible to re-register.. stupid forum :|
Apr 24 11:07:19 <thux> is it nokia's forum?
Apr 24 11:07:29 <thopiekar> yes
Apr 24 11:08:06 <jagguli> hi is there a way to install *.install files from the terminal
Apr 24 11:08:46 <thopiekar> I just typed in the wrong email at the first time.. and I can't re-register, login and get in contact with the admins of the site..
Apr 24 11:08:58 <roope> for the idle speculation theme, i've got only one thing to add: http://tinyurl.com/c2dr7m
Apr 24 11:09:15 <thopiekar> thux: are you a member of nokia's forum?
Apr 24 11:09:40 <Stskeeps> roope: they're attachable to n8x0s, maybe :>
Apr 24 11:09:43 <iListenU> Where can be problem? here's screen: http://parduoduv.puslapiai.lt/ (in top)? What i need to do to solve it??
Apr 24 11:10:01 <Stskeeps> yes, leave without getting a answer
Apr 24 11:10:17 <Stskeeps> or spamming, lovely
Apr 24 11:10:52 <thux> thopiekar: not sure :) but i pinged one nokia's admins if he knows whaat can be done
Apr 24 11:11:11 <thopiekar> thux: great! thanks!
Apr 24 11:12:21 <thopiekar> btw. is it possible to control these "usb missile launchers" with a tablet?
Apr 24 11:12:28 <thopiekar> (driver)
Apr 24 11:12:50 <Stskeeps> anything's possible
Apr 24 11:12:50 <Stskeeps> :P
Apr 24 11:12:55 <thopiekar> ;P
Apr 24 11:13:40 * thopiekar is thinking about making a "usb missile launchers"-war at school :D
Apr 24 11:16:11 <thopiekar> Stskeeps: what about these rocket launchers with webcams?
Apr 24 11:16:45 <thopiekar> http://tinyurl.com/d97sm4
Apr 24 11:19:44 <thux> thopiekar: you can't login to forum now?
Apr 24 11:21:21 <Whits1> hello
Apr 24 11:22:11 <thopiekar> thux: no
Apr 24 11:23:58 <thopiekar> whats the name of the admin @ freenode?
Apr 24 11:24:03 <thopiekar> ^ thux
Apr 24 11:24:45 <Whits1> i do have a little issue here, i try to install cairo 1.8.6 in my scratchbox with maemo installed. Well first the configuration complains about a old version of pixman <0.12.0, so i downloaded 0.15.0, and installed it (its now in /usr/local/lib/pkgconfig/). But even now the cairo config complains about the version...
Apr 24 11:24:49 <Whits1> any idea?
Apr 24 11:25:43 <Whits1> is there a "ready to use" scratchbox package of cairo 1,8,6 or 1,8,4
Apr 24 11:25:55 <lardman> thopiekar: does it do automatic tracking?
Apr 24 11:26:22 <lardman> I'm sure it could be made to anyway, sounds fun
Apr 24 11:27:03 <thopiekar> no manual.. I don't have one but i think it should be programable.. somethink like motion detection should be useful..
Apr 24 11:27:09 <thopiekar> :)
Apr 24 11:27:32 <lardman> pymissle
Apr 24 11:27:46 <lardman> pymissile even
Apr 24 11:28:29 <thopiekar> the one without webcams could be enough...
Apr 24 11:28:34 <lardman> http://code.google.com/p/pymissile/
Apr 24 11:28:46 <thopiekar> we could use the tablets webcams then..
Apr 24 11:28:56 <lardman> yeah, could always attach a separate webcam
Apr 24 11:29:55 <lardman> I wonder if I could program it to hunt and destroy the wasps in my office...
Apr 24 11:30:11 <thux> i like maemo sudser is it possible to set pc ubuntu sudo same way?
Apr 24 11:30:20 <lardman> someone's just done that using a laser to zap mozzies
Apr 24 11:30:38 <thopiekar> but these usb launchers work on linux, right? in the descriptions there is just win-os's in the list..
Apr 24 11:30:38 <radic> is the softwarekeyboard not listed in /dev?
Apr 24 11:30:52 <thopiekar> thux: yes..
Apr 24 11:31:10 <lardman> thopiekar: see pymissile
Apr 24 11:31:14 <thopiekar> just add yourself to the group 'root'..
Apr 24 11:31:19 <thopiekar> lardman: k
Apr 24 11:31:33 <thopiekar> thux: .. and  .. mom plz
Apr 24 11:32:04 <thux> thopiekar: thanks i tried sudoers lines without luck
Apr 24 11:32:19 <Stskeeps> radic: no, it's not a input device like that
Apr 24 11:32:42 <thopiekar> add to the end of the sudoers file in /etc/ : <%root ALL=NOPASSWD:ALL>
Apr 24 11:32:54 <thopiekar> without < and >
Apr 24 11:33:02 <thux> thanks
Apr 24 11:33:34 <thopiekar> thux: np
Apr 24 11:34:41 <radic> Stskeeps: how can I log all typed stuff withe the softwarekeyboard to a file?
Apr 24 11:34:56 <Stskeeps> radic: no clue. hack hildon input method? :P
Apr 24 11:35:00 <Stskeeps> it's OSS, most of it
Apr 24 11:35:33 <radic> hm
Apr 24 11:36:45 <radic> Stskeeps: can the unrealircd compiled statisticly?
Apr 24 11:37:06 <Stskeeps> radic: what's unrealircd? :P
Apr 24 11:37:07 <radic> -s
Apr 24 11:38:01 <thopiekar> it seems that radic is working on a input-logger trojaner for nokia tablets :P
Apr 24 11:41:31 <thopiekar> lardman: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5930393724587911462
Apr 24 11:41:33 <thopiekar> :P
Apr 24 11:44:18 <lardman> nice :)
Apr 24 11:44:51 <lardman> looks a bit glitchy, I wonder if that;'s the programming team for the US ICBM shield project? ;)
Apr 24 11:45:27 <Stskeeps> same technology, heh
Apr 24 11:46:02 <lardman> I'm tempted, just too damn busy atm and if I get one I'll probably forget about it
Apr 24 11:46:25 <lardman> I wonder if a usb pellet gun exists, that would be pretty cool
Apr 24 12:03:43 <X-Fade> Stskeeps: Although community translations are on the Harmattan roadmap, we can probably test that earlier ;)
Apr 24 12:16:50 <Macer> lol
Apr 24 12:16:57 <Macer> just have to love the old star trek
Apr 24 12:17:10 <aquatix> original series?
Apr 24 12:17:18 <Macer> yeah
Apr 24 12:17:48 <Macer> i'm watching the one where the civilization is time accelerated
Apr 24 12:18:06 <Macer> well ... the 5 people
Apr 24 12:18:06 <Macer> heh
Apr 24 12:19:00 <Macer> the actors are trying to hold still but you can see them shaking... then they have the cheesy cheap hollywood sets :)
Apr 24 12:23:50 <aquatix> :)
Apr 24 12:23:55 <GeneralAntilles> dneary, ping?
Apr 24 12:23:59 <aquatix> back then it was about state-of-the-art
Apr 24 12:24:06 <aquatix> Macer: i love those sets
Apr 24 12:24:19 <aquatix> they are so obviously cardboard and paint
Apr 24 12:27:26 <dneary> GeneralAntilles: pong
Apr 24 12:27:52 <GeneralAntilles> dneary, I'm thinking not only are the Hot/Fresh images slightly confusing, but they take up too much vertical space.
Apr 24 12:28:19 <Macer> aquatix: kirk was fighting one off with a pillow
Apr 24 12:28:21 <dneary> GeneralAntilles: They certainly *appear* to
Apr 24 12:28:47 <Macer> haha
Apr 24 12:29:01 <Macer> after having sex with the accelerated alien.. they cut to a scene where he is putting his boots back on
Apr 24 12:29:06 <GeneralAntilles> I also think we have way too much whitespace at the top.
Apr 24 12:30:44 <GeneralAntilles> Actually, it seems like we could remove the <h1>'s at the top of most pages to help with that.
Apr 24 12:31:07 <mgedmin> wow, look at the new maemo.org
Apr 24 12:33:40 * thopiekar knows why root is needed to control a usb-rocket-launcher with pymissile..
Apr 24 12:37:08 <mgedmin> security reasons
Apr 24 12:37:24 <mgedmin> you don't want an arbitrary user to launch ICBMs and start a world war by mistake
Apr 24 12:38:39 <aquatix> Macer: :)
Apr 24 12:45:28 <mgedmin> hm, maemo.org logins do not appear to work
Apr 24 12:46:54 <mgedmin> the page doesn't redirect me to the https url when I press the [go] button
Apr 24 12:47:06 <mgedmin> if I go to https manually, I'm logged in
Apr 24 12:47:08 <woglinde> mged,om file a bug?
Apr 24 12:47:23 <GeneralAntilles> Somebody already did.
Apr 24 12:47:36 <woglinde> *g*
Apr 24 12:47:42 <GeneralAntilles> https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4366
Apr 24 12:48:50 <GeneralAntilles> dneary, X-Fade, what do you think about killing the intro paragraph? http://maemo.org/community/
Apr 24 12:49:05 <Macer> well
Apr 24 12:49:14 <Macer> here goes.. tiem to drive for 5 hours to cleveland :)
Apr 24 12:49:15 <Macer> blah
Apr 24 12:49:21 <Macer> i will let rush hour die down a little more
Apr 24 12:49:24 <dneary> GeneralAntilles: I like it
Apr 24 12:49:42 <dneary> GeneralAntilles: You think it's unnecessary?
Apr 24 12:49:53 <GeneralAntilles> dneary, then I think we need similar intro paragraphs for support/, development/ and the wiki.
Apr 24 12:50:07 <GeneralAntilles> Yeah, I don't really see much purpose in it.
Apr 24 12:51:58 <X-Fade> GeneralAntilles: The problem with these texts is that they are only valuable to the user the first time.
Apr 24 12:52:07 <X-Fade> GeneralAntilles: After that they get old.
Apr 24 12:52:21 <X-Fade> GeneralAntilles: But for a new user it can give a better understanding.
Apr 24 12:52:55 <GeneralAntilles> There are an awful lot of pages that need to be killed
Apr 24 12:53:52 * mgedmin looks around for a spare flamethrower for GeneralAntilles
Apr 24 12:54:18 <RST38h> menu at the right needs to be killed on some pages
Apr 24 12:54:37 <RST38h> if you already have a menu at the page, the second menu just adds to the mess
Apr 24 12:57:40 <aquatix> ooh, new maemo.org is shiny
Apr 24 12:57:56 <aquatix> i guess you guys already got the report `font in login boxes too big'?
Apr 24 12:58:22 <GeneralAntilles> Hehe, anybody want to place a bet on when they think everybody will finally have rolled around to the website. ;)
Apr 24 12:58:25 <RST38h> aquatix: wazd has done a thorough review of fonts, he has found 6 (?) different font sizes on a single page
Apr 24 12:58:33 <aquatix> ouch
Apr 24 12:58:48 <RST38h> #define roll around
Apr 24 12:58:57 <GeneralAntilles> visit and see the new style
Apr 24 12:59:10 * aquatix generally just reads the rss feed
Apr 24 12:59:11 <RST38h> ah, that should be easy to check by looking at login log =)
Apr 24 12:59:22 <aquatix> but i saw notions of the new design going live here
Apr 24 13:00:34 <mgedmin> same here
Apr 24 13:26:44 <guysoft42> lardman|away, johnx_  hey, i opened a bug about the keyboard, with all the data i can think of. So id be happy if you take a look: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4374
Apr 24 13:36:00 <Stskeeps> Macer: works just fine and it arrived safely
Apr 24 13:39:20 <radic_> Stskeeps: my n800 is to quiet, is there a way to change that?
Apr 24 13:40:50 <mgedmin> plug in a louder external speaker ;)
Apr 24 13:41:17 <mgedmin> in more practical terms, the nokias have two volume controls: one global for the system and a separate one for the media player
Apr 24 13:41:26 <mgedmin> set both to 100% to get maximum volume
Apr 24 13:41:51 <v6sa> anybody has noticed that there is not enough RAM on N810 to run even basic stuff
Apr 24 13:41:53 <v6sa> ?
Apr 24 13:41:53 <mgedmin> it won't be very loud anyway
Apr 24 13:41:57 <mgedmin> v6sa: no
Apr 24 13:42:05 <mgedmin> depends on your definition of "basic stuff"
Apr 24 13:42:11 <v6sa> browser + music player
Apr 24 13:42:16 <v6sa> I see 96M active
Apr 24 13:42:18 <mgedmin> heh
Apr 24 13:42:21 <radic_> mgedmin: i did that in mediabox, but it's to quiet
Apr 24 13:42:27 <mgedmin> the N810 does not have enough RAM to run a browser, yes
Apr 24 13:42:36 <v6sa> haha
Apr 24 13:42:38 <mgedmin> or at least if you want more than one page open
Apr 24 13:42:42 <v6sa> any suggestions?
Apr 24 13:42:43 <mgedmin> or a page that actually uses images
Apr 24 13:42:48 <v6sa> alternative browser?
Apr 24 13:42:50 <X-Fade> v6sa: Add swap?
Apr 24 13:42:51 <mgedmin> laptop
Apr 24 13:42:56 <v6sa> haha
Apr 24 13:42:59 <mgedmin> links in an xterm would work very well
Apr 24 13:43:05 <mgedmin> visit more modest websites
Apr 24 13:43:06 <v6sa> facebook crashes basically
Apr 24 13:43:15 <mgedmin> google reader is usable (barely)
Apr 24 13:43:16 <v6sa> gmail is okay only in html mode
Apr 24 13:43:20 <mgedmin> and I have a swap partition
Apr 24 13:43:24 <v6sa> me too
Apr 24 13:43:29 <v6sa> using web is painful
Apr 24 13:43:46 <v6sa> I would say that this device should have *at least* 256MB of RAM
Apr 24 13:43:50 <v6sa> 512MB would be better
Apr 24 13:44:09 <Stskeeps> radic_: i can recommend heavy rock
Apr 24 13:44:12 <mgedmin> a device with more RAM would be better, yes
Apr 24 13:44:21 <mgedmin> but a device with a shorter battery life would be worse
Apr 24 13:44:22 <Stskeeps> v6sa: 256 will be just fine, trust on that
Apr 24 13:44:33 <radic_> what are the differences between n800 and n810?
Apr 24 13:44:34 <v6sa> 128MB is not enough anyways
Apr 24 13:44:43 <X-Fade> But adding swap really helps.
Apr 24 13:44:43 <Stskeeps> yes, it is, if you use it wisely :P
Apr 24 13:44:43 <mgedmin> 5 hours is not enough either
Apr 24 13:44:52 <radic_> Stskeeps: i listen to hardcore
Apr 24 13:45:13 <mgedmin> radic_: the difference is 10 :)
Apr 24 13:45:49 <mgedmin> basically, hardware keyboard, no fm radio, one minisd slot instead of two full-size sd slots, builtin 2gb flash
Apr 24 13:45:59 <mgedmin> non-rotating webcam
Apr 24 13:46:23 <v6sa> any chance of using some webkit based browser?
Apr 24 13:47:05 <mgedmin> there were alternative browsers for maemo, but none of them usable
Apr 24 13:47:14 <v6sa> haha
Apr 24 13:47:20 <v6sa> konqueror from kde?
Apr 24 13:47:59 <mgedmin> haven't tried that one
Apr 24 13:48:05 <GeneralAntilles> v6sa, 256MB wasn't feasible in 2007.
Apr 24 13:48:14 <v6sa> I get 5megabytes reading speed on internal mmc/sd
Apr 24 13:48:17 <v6sa> is this normal?
Apr 24 13:48:19 <radic_> mgedmin: ok, i like the n800 more :)
Apr 24 13:48:28 <mgedmin> fennec is kinda nice from the user interface perspective, but current betas aren't fast enough and use too much ram
Apr 24 13:48:30 <v6sa> 5megabytes/s
Apr 24 13:48:41 <mgedmin> radic_: that's what I thought before I bought a n810
Apr 24 13:48:43 <GeneralAntilles> v6sa, 256MB only became an option last year.
Apr 24 13:48:50 <v6sa> yeah I see
Apr 24 13:48:50 <mgedmin> oh, I forgot -- the n810 also has a built-in GPS
Apr 24 13:48:55 <mgedmin> which is rarely useful
Apr 24 13:49:01 <v6sa> what about the speed of internal memory card?
Apr 24 13:49:05 <mgedmin> the hardware kb is nice
Apr 24 13:49:08 <v6sa> 5megabytes/s is normal?
Apr 24 13:49:12 * mgedmin shrugs
Apr 24 13:49:21 <mgedmin> I seek capacity, not speed, from my storage devices
Apr 24 13:49:26 <GeneralAntilles> v6sa, depends on your card.
Apr 24 13:49:27 <mgedmin> which is perhaps a mistake
Apr 24 13:49:33 <GeneralAntilles> and where are you copying from.
Apr 24 13:49:39 <v6sa> I am talking about INTERNAL card
Apr 24 13:49:46 <mgedmin> "internal" -- he probably mean the n810's built-in one
Apr 24 13:49:50 <v6sa> yees
Apr 24 13:49:57 <radic_> mgedmin: i've a external gps reciver
Apr 24 13:49:59 <mgedmin> v6sa: the n810 had two sd slots, one was called "internal", the other "external"
Apr 24 13:50:16 <mgedmin> your question could be interpreted as "what's the speed of the card in the internal slot"
Apr 24 13:50:17 <v6sa> yes I am talking about the built-in one
Apr 24 13:50:22 <v6sa> yees
Apr 24 13:50:23 <mgedmin> sorry!
Apr 24 13:50:26 <v6sa> :D
Apr 24 13:50:28 <mgedmin> v6sa: the *n800* had two sd slots, one was called "internal", the other "external"
Apr 24 13:50:45 <v6sa> I have n810
Apr 24 13:50:46 <mgedmin> the user interface is the same for both n810 and 800
Apr 24 13:50:59 <mgedmin> so the meaning of "internal sd card" could be misunderstood
Apr 24 13:51:04 <mgedmin> anyway, never measured any speeds
Apr 24 13:51:44 <radic_> i bought my n800 in jun 2007
Apr 24 13:51:49 <mgedmin> radic_: for me the n810 is better purely from the aesthetical perspective, plus the hardware keyboard is actually nice and very useful
Apr 24 13:51:58 <mgedmin> I was a big virtual kb fan earlier
Apr 24 13:52:40 <radic_> mgedmin: i need full sized sd-slots
Apr 24 13:52:42 <mgedmin> why am I saying that to you?
Apr 24 13:52:56 <mgedmin> it was v6sa who first asked about differences between n800 and n810
Apr 24 13:53:01 <mgedmin> irc conversations are hard to keep track of
Apr 24 13:53:10 <radic_> lol
Apr 24 13:53:21 <v6sa> haha
Apr 24 13:53:56 <mgedmin> no, it was you
Apr 24 13:54:04 * mgedmin bangs head
Apr 24 13:54:13 <radic_> i can track it withe using xchat on my n800
Apr 24 13:54:16 <mgedmin> this is why I usually just lurk and ignore conversations :)
Apr 24 13:54:43 <mgedmin> I have a wishlist for xchat: when I hold my mouse over a nickname, fade out all the messages except those that are either from this nick or mention it
Apr 24 13:54:55 <mgedmin> sort of /lastlog, but in the window, and without moving text around
Apr 24 13:55:11 <mgedmin> and "holding mouse" is bad UI
Apr 24 13:55:19 <ameng1> Any news about the next genaration n8XX?
Apr 24 13:55:27 <mgedmin> maybe something like "ctrl-click" would be better
Apr 24 13:55:54 <v6sa> any experience with standard debian apps on n8xx?
Apr 24 13:56:06 <v6sa> like KDE and stuff?
Apr 24 13:56:35 <radic_> why was the capslock removed from the softwarekeyboard?
Apr 24 13:57:10 <v6sa> ah and how can you type @ with the hardware keyboard???
Apr 24 13:59:12 <mgedmin> fn+something, iirc
Apr 24 13:59:24 <mgedmin> radic_: tap-and-hold shift
Apr 24 13:59:34 <mgedmin> fn-d in the US variant
Apr 24 13:59:52 <radic_> TEST
Apr 24 13:59:56 <mgedmin> FAIL
Apr 24 13:59:59 <radic_> wow
Apr 24 14:04:22 <GeneralAntilles> v6sa:
Apr 24 14:04:24 <GeneralAntilles> ~rx-51
Apr 24 14:04:25 <infobot> hmm... rx-51 is http://maemo.org/community/council/community_highlights_for_december_2008-part_i-january_2009-part_ii/ http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS9093153240.html
Apr 24 14:04:36 <v6sa> eh?
Apr 24 14:04:45 <GeneralAntilles> Just read it.
Apr 24 14:06:09 <v6sa> any information about how much RAM it will have?
Apr 24 14:06:40 <GeneralAntilles> 256MB is a safe bet
Apr 24 14:07:33 <v6sa> thank god
Apr 24 14:07:43 <v6sa> altough I would boldly suggest 512MB
Apr 24 14:07:54 <v6sa> RAM chips are really cheap these days
Apr 24 14:08:17 <v6sa> any information about when this is going to be released?
Apr 24 14:08:28 <v6sa> availible for buying?
Apr 24 14:08:35 <GeneralAntilles> Not they aren't.
Apr 24 14:08:46 <v6sa> eh?
Apr 24 14:08:57 <GeneralAntilles> RAM is cheap for desktops and laptops with RAM chips the size of half the tablet.
Apr 24 14:09:01 <GeneralAntilles> s/Not/No/
Apr 24 14:09:07 <v6sa> yeah right
Apr 24 14:09:23 <v6sa> what about release date
Apr 24 14:09:31 <GeneralAntilles> RAM is NOT cheap when you're putting it in with some amount of NAND on a PoP on a little 12mmx12mm package.
Apr 24 14:09:43 <v6sa> yesyes
Apr 24 14:10:04 <GeneralAntilles> RAM is also not cheap on battery.
Apr 24 14:11:24 <v6sa> release date??
Apr 24 14:11:44 <GeneralAntilles> It's not even been announced.
Apr 24 14:11:51 <v6sa> :P
Apr 24 14:12:02 <GeneralAntilles> 3 months +/- 2 months is a safe bet, though.
Apr 24 14:12:13 <v6sa> okay
Apr 24 14:14:55 <GAN800> Hmm, I wonder if I could hook up Netflix streaming to the HAVA.
Apr 24 14:35:50 <Stskeeps> huh.
Apr 24 14:35:58 <Stskeeps> why does n800 service manual say "vibra motor"
Apr 24 14:36:14 <X-Fade> Heh ;)
Apr 24 14:36:28 <X-Fade> Solder one on yourself?
Apr 24 14:38:19 <mgedmin> does it say anything about sim cards? :)
Apr 24 14:39:11 <lopz> hola
Apr 24 14:46:47 <Stskeeps> damnit
Apr 24 14:46:50 <Stskeeps> problem isn't LCD connector
Apr 24 14:47:04 <qwerty12> display itself?
Apr 24 14:47:35 <Stskeeps> interesting, the touch screen doesn't fit the entire touchscreen, heh
Apr 24 14:48:19 <jdapena> hi
Apr 24 14:48:20 <Stskeeps> like, display doesn't fit entire ts
Apr 24 14:48:25 <jdapena> any garage admin available?
Apr 24 14:48:29 <RST38h> Anyone knows how I can create an ITT poll?
Apr 24 14:48:36 <RST38h> Is there a howto?
Apr 24 14:48:41 <X-Fade> jdapena: yep
Apr 24 14:48:43 <Stskeeps> RST38h: "add a poll to this post"
Apr 24 14:48:50 <RST38h> Sts: where is it?
Apr 24 14:49:12 <qwerty12> Above the "Submit new thread" button in the full reply page
Apr 24 14:49:40 <qwerty12> s/full reply/start new thread/
Apr 24 14:49:40 <infobot> qwerty12 meant: Above the "Submit new thread" button in the start new thread page
Apr 24 14:49:53 <RST38h> ok
Apr 24 14:49:58 <RST38h> hmm I do not see it
Apr 24 14:50:16 <RST38h> No I do not have it
Apr 24 14:50:48 <GeneralAntilles> bergie!
Apr 24 14:50:52 <GeneralAntilles> Got my screenshot? :D
Apr 24 14:51:12 <bergie> ah, sorry
Apr 24 14:51:18 <bergie> I'm on my way out right now, but I'll see what I can do over the weekend
Apr 24 14:54:51 <igagis> Hi
Apr 24 14:55:22 <igagis> does anybody know if it is possible to get device ID from application? Is there any API for that?
Apr 24 14:55:41 <igagis> I suppose device ID is the same as wlan MAC address
Apr 24 14:56:39 <Stskeeps> GeneralAntilles: hint btw, if you can find pointer calibrations, it usually has touchscreen IDs
Apr 24 14:57:10 <Stskeeps> i have a ls041yd3 for instance
Apr 24 14:58:02 <igagis> Any way to get wlan ID?
Apr 24 14:58:32 <Stskeeps> igagis: ifconfig wlan0? has it? :P
Apr 24 14:58:49 <igagis> Stskeeps: probably yes
Apr 24 14:59:33 <Stskeeps> hack that output up? :P or make a syscall to get the info
Apr 24 15:00:03 <igagis> ok, thanks for idea, will try to look at that
Apr 24 15:23:50 * man_in_ltop waves
Apr 24 15:24:03 <man_in_ltop> is there a word processor for maemo? i read somewhere it had abiword but i can't find it in the apps list
Apr 24 15:27:28 <GeneralAntilles> It's in Extras-devel
Apr 24 15:27:29 <GeneralAntilles> ~extras
Apr 24 15:27:30 <infobot> extra, extra, read all about it, extras is http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras
Apr 24 15:27:50 * Stskeeps grrs. not lcd connector
Apr 24 15:27:55 <Stskeeps> better not be the screen.
Apr 24 15:28:57 <man_in_ltop> thanks
Apr 24 15:29:44 <w0ot> hi, can someone help me with getting ubuntu jaunty 2.2 running on a nokia n810?
Apr 24 15:31:58 <w0ot> anyone?
Apr 24 15:37:20 <RST38h> Hmm Viliv S5 now like totally out already
Apr 24 15:38:39 <RST38h> "Considered 4 hours [battery life] to be decent"
Apr 24 15:54:10 <man_in_ltop> yay, abiword
Apr 24 15:54:10 <man_in_ltop> gnite
Apr 24 16:05:24 * TheFatal con todo el lag
Apr 24 16:15:40 <jagguli> hi is there a way to install *.install files from the terminal .... anyone
Apr 24 16:15:59 <GeneralAntilles> dbus, probably.
Apr 24 16:16:19 <GeneralAntilles> Alternatively you could extract the package name and just apt-get install that.
Apr 24 16:16:35 <jagguli> GeneralAntilles: but i need to add the repos
Apr 24 16:16:45 <GeneralAntilles> Or that, too.
Apr 24 16:18:06 <jagguli> GeneralAntilles: anyidea whats the name of the application manager comand :)
Apr 24 16:18:20 <GeneralAntilles> hildon-application-manager
Apr 24 16:19:23 <jagguli> GeneralAntilles: nope that dont take any params ...
Apr 24 16:19:55 <GeneralAntilles> Thus my dbus suggestion.
Apr 24 16:20:18 <wjt> introspect the app manager!
Apr 24 16:20:42 <jagguli> GeneralAntilles: introspect success ... but failed to install bzr
Apr 24 16:20:51 <qwerty12> jagguli: dbus-send --print-reply --dest=com.nokia.hildon_application_manager /com/nokia/hildon_application_manager com.nokia.hildon_application_manager.mime_open string:"file:///location/to/.deb"
Apr 24 16:21:42 <jagguli> the app manager has an option to install from file but it failed for the bzr install file ... probably the file is corrupt .. :)
Apr 24 16:22:01 <jagguli> thanks GeneralAntilles :)
Apr 24 16:35:34 <luke-jr> Where to find gpsdriver_0.5.10_armel.deb ?
Apr 24 16:35:44 <Stskeeps> closed source
Apr 24 16:35:48 <Stskeeps> apt-cache show should show you though
Apr 24 16:58:28 <luke-jr> Stskeeps: I mean the .deb file even
Apr 24 16:58:37 <luke-jr> Stskeeps: the repository it seems to come from is password-locked
Apr 24 16:58:39 <luke-jr> :/
Apr 24 16:58:47 <Stskeeps> yeah, apt on tablet auths towards it
Apr 24 17:17:27 <lauri_> nick v6sa
Apr 24 17:17:57 <v6sa> haha
Apr 24 17:18:01 <v6sa> I am idiot
Apr 24 17:18:16 <slonopotamus> hehe
Apr 24 17:26:28 <radic_> Stskeeps: is there a port of wireshark available?
Apr 24 17:26:41 <Stskeeps> no clue
Apr 24 17:26:49 <Stskeeps> in Mer, probably, Maemo, no idea
Apr 24 17:28:02 <slonopotamus> err
Apr 24 17:28:20 <slonopotamus> maemo wifi doesn't have wireless extensions?
Apr 24 17:28:38 <Stskeeps> correct
Apr 24 17:28:43 <Stskeeps> or at least, not new ones
Apr 24 17:28:43 <qwerty12> It's why cx3110x is patch to my knowledge
Apr 24 17:28:50 <qwerty12> +ed
Apr 24 17:30:35 <luke-jr> slonopotamus: mine does?
Apr 24 17:47:56 <Stskeeps> 'lo aladds
Apr 24 17:48:00 <aladds> hi :-)
Apr 24 17:48:06 <Stskeeps> how goes?
Apr 24 17:48:11 <aladds> not bad, not bad
Apr 24 17:48:25 <aladds> been trying to get my N810 to tether to my old K750i
Apr 24 17:48:30 <Stskeeps> should be easy
Apr 24 17:48:32 <Stskeeps> i have a k610i
Apr 24 17:48:35 <Stskeeps> it even does bluetooth PAN
Apr 24 17:49:03 <aladds> should I use PAN rather than the usual method?
Apr 24 17:49:09 <Stskeeps> both should work
Apr 24 17:49:12 <aladds> hmm
Apr 24 17:49:21 * Stskeeps had it working without issue
Apr 24 17:49:46 <aladds> it probably doesn't because of having an odd provider
Apr 24 17:49:50 <aladds> (Blyk)
Apr 24 17:50:03 <aladds> who I have settings for
Apr 24 17:50:11 <aladds> but it fails
Apr 24 17:50:25 <Stskeeps> you have the MMS settings and crap on the k750i too?
Apr 24 17:50:30 <aladds> yeah
Apr 24 17:50:34 <aladds> K750i works fine
Apr 24 17:50:46 <aladds> that does internet, MMS etc.
Apr 24 17:51:09 <Stskeeps> hmm
Apr 24 17:51:10 <Stskeeps> weird
Apr 24 17:51:12 <aladds> but the N810 won't have any of it...
Apr 24 17:51:28 <Stskeeps> try PAN and see how it goes
Apr 24 17:51:43 <aladds> shall do
Apr 24 17:51:43 <Stskeeps> i really love my k610i .. i can tether at bluetooth and through USB simultaneously
Apr 24 17:51:48 <aladds> nice
Apr 24 17:52:08 <aladds> cool
Apr 24 17:52:30 <Stskeeps> i have to try if i can tether two tablets to one phone, too :P
Apr 24 17:53:12 <aladds> well the reason i use that (and not my E61i, which has a nice qwerty keyboard and uses the same batteries as the N810) is because with Blyk I get ?15 free credit a month
Apr 24 17:54:54 <aladds> i also want to boot from internal (or external, I do have a 4GB Class 4 card) SD
Apr 24 17:55:02 <aladds> because i hate running out of space :P
Apr 24 17:55:58 <aladds> would the 4GB Class 4 be faster than internal?
Apr 24 17:56:09 <aladds> could i use RAID? :P
Apr 24 18:00:05 <aladds> it's wierd how it supports HID
Apr 24 18:00:19 <Stskeeps> it has a Remote Control feature
Apr 24 18:00:20 <Stskeeps> probably
Apr 24 18:00:22 <aladds> i can control the tablet from my phone
Apr 24 18:00:32 <qwerty12_N800> In Mer?
Apr 24 18:00:43 <aladds> nah, OS2008
Apr 24 18:00:53 <aladds> but Mer would technically work?
Apr 24 18:01:10 <qwerty12_N800> My w810 does so in mer :)
Apr 24 18:01:20 <qwerty12_N800> But not in os2008 :/
Apr 24 18:01:50 <aladds> i've not tried Mer yet, I shall though, looks fun
Apr 24 18:02:01 <aladds> no sound is a bit of a show-stopper though :(
Apr 24 18:02:02 <Stskeeps> your 770 contributions are in there, for sure :)
Apr 24 18:02:16 <Stskeeps> aladds: oh, we got sound working but someone needs to get pulseaudio not segmentation faulting
Apr 24 18:02:33 <aladds> ah
Apr 24 18:02:38 <aladds> cool :)
Apr 24 18:02:43 <Stskeeps> feel free to play :P
Apr 24 18:03:06 <Stskeeps> 0.12 comes out monday
Apr 24 18:05:19 <aladds> i'll wait for that then ;-)
Apr 24 18:05:36 <aladds> PAN setup looks like a pain... :(
Apr 24 18:07:11 * Stskeeps should test Mer and PAN .. hmm
Apr 24 18:14:35 <aladds> ok, so if i know i need to connect to the internet via GPRS and I have a proxy server
Apr 24 18:14:40 <aladds> (given)
Apr 24 18:14:56 <aladds> i put the proxy in the advanced bit under http, yes?
Apr 24 18:15:00 <Stskeeps> i guess
Apr 24 18:15:14 <aladds> hmm
Apr 24 18:25:31 <aladds> grr
Apr 24 18:25:37 <aladds> it's like it doesn't even try
Apr 24 18:25:40 <aladds> just says failed
Apr 24 18:44:35 <Jaffa> Stskeeps: looking into it
Apr 24 18:44:44 <woglinde> hi jaffa
Apr 24 18:44:50 <Stskeeps> Jaffa: ta
Apr 24 18:45:26 <Jaffa> Stskeeps: sodding Jaiku RSS format keeps changing
Apr 24 18:46:45 <Stskeeps> yeah.. i'm pondering a new way :P
Apr 24 18:46:51 <Stskeeps> really tired of jaiku by nw
Apr 24 18:50:03 <thp> where can I find the .install files for the maemo-extras repository, so I can link my apps on maemo.org to the correct .install?
Apr 24 18:51:00 <Stskeeps> 'lo thp, how goes?
Apr 24 18:51:03 <Stskeeps> and
Apr 24 18:51:06 <Stskeeps> ~extras
Apr 24 18:51:07 <infobot> hmm... extras is http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras
Apr 24 18:52:58 <Jaffa> Stskeeps: should be fixed, I think
Apr 24 18:53:09 <Stskeeps> ta
Apr 24 18:53:33 <thp> Stskeeps: thanks, but i was looking for the .install for tennix in http://repository.maemo.org/extras/dists/diablo/install/ - are the files there not auto-generated?
Apr 24 18:53:45 <Stskeeps> ah, those
Apr 24 18:53:59 <Stskeeps> that's a good question, X-Fade ?
Apr 24 18:55:16 <Jaffa> thp: AIUI, the autobuilder/promotion interface does them automatically
Apr 24 18:56:17 <slonopotamus_> what the crap is that on maemo.org?
Apr 24 18:56:32 <slonopotamus_> have you ever tried to open it from tablet?
Apr 24 18:56:34 <thp> Jaffa: ok, so i'll wait until tomorrow and then contact X-Fade if the files there still do not appear (i have promoted the package to extras from -devel earlier today)
Apr 24 19:15:40 <lardman> eveing all
Apr 24 19:16:00 <GeneralAntilles> slonopotamus_, could you be more specific?
Apr 24 19:16:08 <GeneralAntilles> Hey, lardman.
Apr 24 19:17:43 <lardman> hi GeneralAntilles
Apr 24 19:17:52 <RST38h> moo lardman
Apr 24 19:18:10 <lardman> sorry chaps, need to vpn, back in a tick with a trailing _
Apr 24 19:20:10 <GeneralAntilles> Jaffa, you want to take a look at improving the icons on the wiki frontpage?
Apr 24 19:21:25 <lardman__> re
Apr 24 19:21:30 <s7> hi everyone
Apr 24 19:21:57 <woglinde> jo lardman
Apr 24 19:22:02 <s7> just got my n810, will test it now :)
Apr 24 19:22:08 <woglinde> hehe
Apr 24 19:22:08 <GeneralAntilles> Anybody want to write some intro paragraphs for http://maemo.org/development/ and http://maemo.org/support/ to match http://maemo.org/community/ ?
Apr 24 19:22:14 <woglinde> update it first
Apr 24 19:22:25 <GeneralAntilles> ~flashing
Apr 24 19:22:26 <infobot> it has been said that flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware
Apr 24 19:24:01 <lardman__> hey woglinde, RST38h
Apr 24 19:26:01 <s7> thx a lot, i need to read wiki, possibilities and so on first, anyway
Apr 24 19:34:46 <lardman> hey qwerty12_N800, so how's about it, coming to the next summit?
Apr 24 19:36:02 <lardman> tell your parents I'm a very good "in loco parentis" role model, I wouldn't do anything anyone else wouldn't when borrowing someone else's teenager
Apr 24 19:37:34 <qwerty12_N800> lardman: hi, I really would love to but, I really can't :(. If there's one in London though... :)
Apr 24 19:37:39 <qwerty12_N800> lol
Apr 24 19:38:01 <guysoft42> qwerty12_N800, https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4374
Apr 24 19:38:05 <lardman> aaah, I'm disappointed; anyway I've a few more months to work on you!
Apr 24 19:38:18 <lardman> and I'll be in London on Wednesday so I may come and give you a stern talking to!
Apr 24 19:38:37 <qwerty12_N800> :P
Apr 24 19:38:41 <lardman> lol
Apr 24 19:39:30 <woglinde> *g*
Apr 24 19:39:31 <guysoft42> lardman, i am right in that bug report right?
Apr 24 19:39:38 <qwerty12_N800> guysoft42: i really wouldn't know :(. I don't even have a usb host adapter
Apr 24 19:40:00 * lardman looks
Apr 24 19:40:17 <Stskeeps> guysoft42: you did enable usb host?
Apr 24 19:40:38 <lardman> guysoft42: no not quite, I don't have a usb keyboard
Apr 24 19:40:45 <GeneralAntilles> qwerty12_N800, don't be lame.
Apr 24 19:40:46 <Stskeeps> bbl
Apr 24 19:40:50 <lardman> sorry for the misunderstanding
Apr 24 19:41:00 <GeneralAntilles> Parents are a lame excuse.
Apr 24 19:41:27 <GeneralAntilles> Tell them there'll be at least a half-dozen good "father figures" there. :P
Apr 24 19:41:29 <lardman> GeneralAntilles: well if you fly into Heathrow I'll meet you and we can frog march him to the summit ;)
Apr 24 19:41:47 <qwerty12_N800> GeneralAntilles: can't help being so. But my passport isn't current anyway
Apr 24 19:41:59 <lardman> I've got a large suitcase....
Apr 24 19:42:15 <GeneralAntilles> Hehe
Apr 24 19:42:18 <woglinde> lol
Apr 24 19:42:29 <lardman> I also hear that for short flights the wheel wells don't get *really* cold
Apr 24 19:42:49 <lardman> s/wheel/undercarriage
Apr 24 19:43:29 <qwerty12_N800> lardman: the suitcase for all the lethal bizzle albums you have? :p
Apr 24 19:44:37 <lardman> if you can't live without them....
Apr 24 19:44:39 <lardman> :)
Apr 24 19:44:53 <lardman> T.Rex again!
Apr 24 19:45:17 <rm_you> :P
Apr 24 19:45:44 <lardman> http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xgrmf_t-rex-bang-a-gong-get-it-on_fun
Apr 24 19:46:02 <lardman> I must have been watching a Vietnam war film recently
Apr 24 19:46:14 <lardman> as it's even a bit before my time :p
Apr 24 19:50:21 <thopiekar1> could some please check whether it's possible to download this torrent?
Apr 24 19:50:34 <thopiekar1> http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/4867339
Apr 24 19:50:44 <woglinde> nope
Apr 24 19:51:21 <woglinde> oh seems to be legal
Apr 24 19:52:22 <qwerty12_N800> legal torrents are the boring ones :( (ikea catalogue for this year anyone?)
Apr 24 19:52:58 <woglinde> the best think with ikea are the hotdogs
Apr 24 19:53:15 * lardman likes their bookshelves
Apr 24 19:54:00 * qwerty12_N800 likes their little, free, pencils
Apr 24 19:58:31 <thopiekar1> hmm
Apr 24 19:58:53 <thopiekar1> is someone familar in torrent seeding/leeching?
Apr 24 19:59:49 * qwerty12_N800 is a good basta^H^Hleecher...
Apr 24 20:00:11 <thopiekar1> I just want to seed it because it's a virtualmaschine with all you need for developting around nokia tablets for the german community..
Apr 24 20:01:10 <thopiekar1> with androidSDK, sb1 + maemo3, 4 and 5 and eclipse 3.3 and 3.4 as editors..
Apr 24 20:01:37 <thopiekar1> qwerty12_N800: have you checked out my torrent, whether is works?
Apr 24 20:02:37 <qwerty12_N800> on a tablet and transmission already has its allocation problems with 700MB files...
Apr 24 20:02:57 <thopiekar1> the torrent needs 2.1GB
Apr 24 20:12:28 <lardman> thopiekar1: it appears to work for me, 1 seed , 2 peers atm
Apr 24 20:14:10 * Stskeeps ponders what to do with the n800 with the display with problems.
Apr 24 20:14:37 <qwerty12_N800> roll it up & puff
Apr 24 20:14:46 <GeneralAntilles> Server?
Apr 24 20:14:51 <lardman> turn it into a usb rocket launcher controller
Apr 24 20:14:54 <Stskeeps> GeneralAntilles: yeah.. did consider that
Apr 24 20:14:59 <GeneralAntilles> Builder?
Apr 24 20:14:59 <Stskeeps> it is battery backed up after all
Apr 24 20:15:03 <thopiekar_tablet> lardman: hehe
Apr 24 20:15:10 <lardman> was that server or sever...? ;)
Apr 24 20:15:37 <lardman> thopiekar_tablet: I do like the sound of those lauchers... :)
Apr 24 20:15:59 <GeneralAntilles> Webcam missile launched
Apr 24 20:16:08 <GeneralAntilles> Set it up on your desk so people can pelt you with foam missiles.
Apr 24 20:16:24 <lardman> I want to kill wasps in my office
Apr 24 20:16:47 <thopiekar_tablet> ok thanks for the torrent testing.. if you want you can download it and translate gnome by the language-options in the menu..
Apr 24 20:17:08 <lardman> I'm ok thanks, bit busy atm
Apr 24 20:19:35 * thopiekar_tablet thought about a automatic aiming by detecting a red dot of a laiser pointer by a webcam 
Apr 24 20:19:43 <Guest9172_893> i wanna concil opinion about new vista theme ;)
Apr 24 20:19:52 <thopiekar_tablet> for these rocket launchers
Apr 24 20:20:15 <lardman> I've got a 21W laser in the lab, might just as well aim it directly
Apr 24 20:20:19 <lardman> :)
Apr 24 20:20:55 * thopiekar_tablet don't want that maemo gets a windows-os
Apr 24 20:21:05 * lardman imagines the laser head mounted to the usb rocket launcher + webcam to see where it's aiming.... -> dead wasps (and blind officemates)
Apr 24 20:21:22 <thopiekar_tablet> hehe
Apr 24 20:21:35 * lardman picks up his green goggles
Apr 24 20:22:59 <qwerty12_N800> Tried playing classical music to see if that gets rid of 'em?
Apr 24 20:23:24 <lardman> was wondering if lethal bizzle in mono would do the job actually
Apr 24 20:23:33 <lardman> but may suffer severe collateral damage
Apr 24 20:23:40 <lardman> like everyone in the office :p
Apr 24 20:23:51 <lardman> :D
Apr 24 20:23:53 <GeneralAntilles> lol
Apr 24 20:24:00 <qwerty12_N800> :D
Apr 24 20:24:50 <lardman> I'm actually tempted by one of those elastic band flicking gun things, might be quite fun
Apr 24 20:25:21 * lardman remembers his childhood
Apr 24 20:25:42 <CutMeOwnThroat> thopiekar_tablet, don't run the bluescreen applet, then
Apr 24 20:25:45 <lardman> cardboard armout to avoid being shot by the paper pellets and all
Apr 24 20:26:05 <lardman> s/armout/armour
Apr 24 20:28:06 <qwerty12_N800> lardman: wow, 1957 must've been the days :)
Apr 24 20:28:46 <thopiekar_tablet> CutMeOwnThroat: the what? bluescreen applet?
Apr 24 20:29:43 <lardman> lol, only 1978 thanks
Apr 24 20:32:07 <qwerty12_N800> hehe
Apr 24 20:33:55 <lardman> ~curse the problems of 2D phase unwrapping
Apr 24 20:33:56 <infobot> May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, the problems of 2D phase unwrapping !
Apr 24 20:34:05 <lardman> seems suitable
Apr 24 20:35:56 <thopiekar1> I don't know to who i'm uploading now.. my upload-speed is  very slow.. 2-3kB/s! the optimal speed should be 50kB/s.. who of you is downloading from my torrent and where are you from?
Apr 24 20:36:29 <lardman> not me
Apr 24 20:41:59 <thopiekar1> hmm
Apr 24 20:52:38 <pupnik> wget --restrict-file-names=unix broken on maemo.  =windows works fine though
Apr 24 20:52:44 <pupnik> the irony
Apr 24 20:53:13 * pupnik lobbs rotten fruit at people who create incompatible filenames/urls
Apr 24 20:53:46 <GeneralAntilles> Lou Lobbs?
Apr 24 20:55:20 <pupnik> hi GeneralAntilles
Apr 24 20:55:29 <pupnik> hows the battle going?
Apr 24 20:55:39 <GeneralAntilles> Hi, pupnik.
Apr 24 20:55:43 <GeneralAntilles> Which one? ;)
Apr 24 20:55:45 <GeneralAntilles> I have many.
Apr 24 20:57:46 <GeneralAntilles> Ugh, it's 92°F out
Apr 24 20:57:50 * lardman heads off for the night, have a good one chaps
Apr 24 20:57:53 <GeneralAntilles> Sure glad I'm not spending the summer here.
Apr 24 20:57:57 <GeneralAntilles> Later, lardman.
Apr 24 20:58:00 <pupnik> cheers lardman
Apr 24 20:58:06 <lardman> 92F! about 45F here
Apr 24 20:58:14 <lardman> night
Apr 24 21:05:53 <guysoft42> Stskeeps, yes. you can read so in the report, i tried with and without.
Apr 24 21:06:19 <guysoft42> lardman|away, how come you have no keyboard, you said you recreated thje bug, didn't you?
Apr 24 21:09:45 <CutMeOwnThroat> thopiekar1, in reply to "* thopiekar_tablet don't want that maemo gets a windows-os"?
Apr 24 21:10:06 <thopiekar1> aah :P
Apr 24 21:15:09 <guysoft42> qwerty12_N800, in answer to your previous reply: do you know anyone that might know how to solve this?
Apr 24 21:15:27 <qwerty12_N800> nope
Apr 24 21:22:59 <woglinde> hi lcuk
Apr 24 21:28:02 <Jaffa> Right. Bed time.
Apr 24 21:28:16 <GeneralAntilles> 'night, Jaffa.
Apr 24 23:05:56 <GAN800> Anybody else really tired of the Star Trek trailer?
Apr 24 23:15:21 <CutMeOwnThroat> <--- no TV for 8 years, not tired of TV anymore
Apr 24 23:15:38 <derf> That's the way to do it.
Apr 24 23:18:39 <CutMeOwnThroat> (not wanting one either, though)
Apr 24 23:18:53 <CutMeOwnThroat> I can waste my time on the Internet instead!
Apr 24 23:35:30 <luke-jr> libsupld1 -- where do I find the source?
Apr 24 23:35:34 <luke-jr> the license in the deb is BSD
Apr 24 23:37:18 <johnx_> uhm, luke-jr do you understand what the BSD license means?
Apr 24 23:37:25 <luke-jr> johnx_: yeah
Apr 24 23:37:31 <luke-jr> it means I can do whatever I feel with the code :P
Apr 24 23:37:36 <johnx_> that they can distribute binaries without source
Apr 24 23:37:44 <luke-jr> why license it BSD at all then?
Apr 24 23:37:48 <johnx_> heh
Apr 24 23:37:58 <johnx_> ask them
Apr 24 23:38:05 <luke-jr> afaik, it's 100% Nokia IP
Apr 24 23:38:29 <johnx_> and they can distribute source or binaries at their leisure
Apr 24 23:38:46 <luke-jr> so they haven't?
Apr 24 23:38:51 <luke-jr> sigh
Apr 24 23:38:58 <johnx_> google seems to suggest they haven't released source
Apr 24 23:39:04 <johnx_> what do you need it for?
Apr 24 23:39:18 <luke-jr> johnx_: I am making Gentoo packages
Apr 24 23:39:19 <luke-jr> ☺
Apr 24 23:39:38 <luke-jr> and libsupl1 appears to have /media/mmc2/ hard coded :/
Apr 24 23:41:33 <luke-jr> might be small enough to reverse engineer
Apr 24 23:41:41 <luke-jr> BSD lets me do that ;)
Apr 25 00:01:12 <CutMeOwnThroat> uh, /etc/apt/sources.list is empty?
Apr 25 00:02:54 <johnx_> ls /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
Apr 25 00:02:59 <GeneralAntilles> ^
Apr 25 00:03:15 <CutMeOwnThroat> aha, thx
Apr 25 00:03:50 <CutMeOwnThroat> uh, they d.d.devilzed that, too
Apr 25 00:04:20 <johnx_> I think later debian and ubuntu accept the /etc/apt/sources.list.d/foo structure as well
Apr 25 00:22:16 * lopz gn
Apr 25 00:22:43 * Proteous gm
Apr 25 00:22:53 <lopz>  gn
Apr 25 00:23:16 * waloo trying to install ubuntu
Apr 25 00:23:23 <waloo> does not boot
Apr 25 00:25:24 <Proteous> does not compute
Apr 25 00:26:03 <luke-jr> %&*(#&%)#
Apr 25 00:26:07 <luke-jr> gpsdriver depends on GTK
Apr 25 00:26:11 <luke-jr> I hate you, Nokia
Apr 25 00:26:28 <luke-jr> why the heck can't they just release code? :<
Apr 25 00:26:40 <GeneralAntilles> File a bug with justification.
Apr 25 00:26:54 <luke-jr> GeneralAntilles: what?
Apr 25 00:26:59 <GeneralAntilles> Avoid any attacks.
Apr 25 00:27:22 <Proteous> don't shoot food
Apr 25 00:27:26 <GeneralAntilles> Say, "I want this code to do this."
Apr 25 00:27:34 <derf> You shot the food.
Apr 25 00:27:44 <Proteous> green elf needs food badly
Apr 25 00:27:48 <Proteous> use keys to open doors
Apr 25 00:28:12 <GeneralAntilles> I use numeric codes.
Apr 25 00:28:14 <derf> And Pavlov wins again.
Apr 25 00:28:28 <luke-jr> ….
Apr 25 00:28:49 <GeneralAntilles> luke-jr, bugs.maemo.org
Apr 25 00:29:14 <Proteous> sºQá½\
Apr 25 00:29:21 <luke-jr> Proteous: you win
Apr 25 00:29:45 * Proteous is so proud he calls his mom to gush
Apr 25 00:37:26 <johnx_> hey rm_you :)
Apr 25 00:38:03 <rm_you> hey johnx
Apr 25 00:41:18 <Proteous> OMG HI TO YOU ALL
Apr 25 00:41:33 <Proteous> that's all I got
Apr 25 00:41:35 <Proteous> sorry
Apr 25 00:42:04 <johnx> all I got is problems with X.org API mismatch so I think you're better off :P
Apr 25 00:42:28 <Proteous> heh
Apr 25 00:48:05 <luke-jr> so any idea how to get battery level? :/
Apr 25 00:48:20 <luke-jr> GeneralAntilles: look good? https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4380
Apr 25 00:48:23 <johnx> luke-jr, kcbatt
Apr 25 00:50:27 <GeneralAntilles> luke-jr, yeah, if you final any in the future, do one per package, though.
Apr 25 00:50:32 <GeneralAntilles> s/final/file/
Apr 25 00:50:32 <infobot> GeneralAntilles meant: luke-jr, yeah, if you file any in the future, do one per package, though.
Apr 25 00:50:41 <luke-jr> johnx: part of Mer.. where does Mer keep their code?
Apr 25 00:50:47 <GeneralAntilles> My muscle memory is taking over my higher brain functions.
Apr 25 00:51:02 <luke-jr> GeneralAntilles: oh, I figured the latter was applicable as an "oversight" thing
Apr 25 00:51:18 <luke-jr> seeing as it is already BSD licensed and used only by (afaik) gpsdriver
Apr 25 00:51:48 <johnx> luke-jr, not part of mer actually. it's a standalone thing. Mer uses something different, but kcbatt is nice and quick and simple and has source available
Apr 25 00:51:57 <GeneralAntilles> luke-jr, you can never really guess why something is the way it is, and it's easier on the Maemo SW guys if theyy can address each bug individually.
Apr 25 00:53:06 <luke-jr> johnx: oh, my Google results led me to Mer; any links? ;)
Apr 25 00:53:46 <johnx> oh, guess it did end up in mer at some point
Apr 25 01:09:33 <johnx> luke-jr, source should be available in mer. was the first result on google
Apr 25 01:17:49 <luke-jr> johnx: for what search terms? :/
Apr 25 01:27:05 <johnx> kcbatt
Apr 25 01:29:27 <luke-jr> you must be getting different results
Apr 25 01:30:00 <johnx> ok, second result
Apr 25 01:30:31 <johnx> I'm sorry but I don't have time to use google for you right now
Apr 25 02:56:09 <amit_usual> msg nickserv identify shakespeare
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