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Apr 29 03:13:50 <LiraNuna> doesn't OMAP has 3D acceleration?
Apr 29 03:14:25 <GeneralAntilles> Yes
Apr 29 03:15:03 <LiraNuna> does N8xx use it?
Apr 29 03:15:09 <johnx> nope
Apr 29 03:15:24 <LiraNuna> just plain framebuffer
Apr 29 03:15:25 <LiraNuna> ?
Apr 29 03:15:27 <johnx> yup
Apr 29 03:15:38 <johnx> plain framebuffer with an LCD controller that has issues
Apr 29 03:15:59 <LiraNuna> blerg
Apr 29 03:16:09 <LiraNuna> no one tried to RE?
Apr 29 03:16:46 <johnx> some people have a bit. it's not that simple
Apr 29 03:17:06 <johnx> if someone stepped up and lead the effort, they might find people willing to help *hint*hint*
Apr 29 03:17:52 <LiraNuna> hehe
Apr 29 03:18:17 <LiraNuna> well, I RE'd the Nintendo DS and the GBA a bit
Apr 29 03:18:47 <LiraNuna> ARM11, hmm
Apr 29 03:19:36 <LiraNuna> btw, what's the GCC target for it? arm-elf, arm-eabi?
Apr 29 03:19:56 <LiraNuna> arm-linux-elf/eabi?
Apr 29 03:20:00 <johnx> I think arm-eabi
Apr 29 03:20:33 <johnx> hmm, actually, my cross compiler is: arm-linux-gnu-gcc
Apr 29 03:21:28 <LiraNuna> no elf?
Apr 29 03:21:31 <LiraNuna> k
Apr 29 03:21:34 <LiraNuna> http://focus.ti.com/general/docs/wtbu/wtbuproductcontent.tsp?contentId=4671&navigationId=11990&templateId=6123
Apr 29 03:21:40 <LiraNuna> that's the chip in question?
Apr 29 03:22:02 <johnx> yup. targeyup
Apr 29 03:22:12 <johnx> <- cut+paste fail
Apr 29 03:22:35 <LiraNuna> WLAN a/b/g? is a supported?
Apr 29 03:22:45 <johnx> b/g only
Apr 29 03:25:10 <LiraNuna> johnx, what C library do you use for arm-linux-gnu-gcc?
Apr 29 03:25:16 <johnx> glibc
Apr 29 03:25:28 * LiraNuna is used to setting up newlib
Apr 29 03:25:44 <johnx> there's an SDK you know ...
Apr 29 03:26:01 <LiraNuna> oh
Apr 29 03:26:17 <LiraNuna> I'm sorry, I'm used to compiling my own toolchain :/
Apr 29 03:26:26 <johnx> well, go for it :)
Apr 29 03:26:32 <johnx> the code sourcery one works too
Apr 29 03:26:54 <johnx> also, there were apparently some part of the driver leaked/available for an earlier version of the kernel
Apr 29 03:27:10 <LiraNuna> link or it didn't happen :D
Apr 29 03:27:15 <johnx> gaaah
Apr 29 03:27:21 <LiraNuna> haha
Apr 29 03:27:39 <johnx> first of all, I'm not promising that it's 100% related, and in fact it might not even be for the right chip
Apr 29 03:27:53 <johnx> but, let me dig through the logs and find it. could take a couple minutes ...
Apr 29 03:27:59 <LiraNuna> it's a starting point - to see how they thing
Apr 29 03:28:02 <LiraNuna> think*
Apr 29 03:28:25 <LiraNuna> see, ARM either has BIOS calls (swi) or memory mapped are for I/O
Apr 29 03:29:38 <LiraNuna> checking target system type... Invalid configuration `arm-linux-gnu-gcc': machine `arm-linux-gnu' not recognized
Apr 29 03:29:44 <LiraNuna> I knew it's missing somethin
Apr 29 03:30:19 <johnx> hmm
Apr 29 03:31:16 <GeneralAntilles> I guess TI decided they wanted to genericize  MID
Apr 29 03:31:22 <LiraNuna> err, no need for -gcc :/
Apr 29 03:31:40 <johnx> ah, I just gave you the name of my cross compiler binary :)
Apr 29 03:31:50 <LiraNuna> yeah, I didn't realize that too
Apr 29 03:32:35 <LiraNuna> how do I gain root on N810?
Apr 29 03:32:38 <LiraNuna> I want to install ssh
Apr 29 03:32:53 <johnx> install rootsh or install openssh from extras
Apr 29 03:32:55 <johnx> ~extras
Apr 29 03:32:56 <infobot> extra, extra, read all about it, extras is http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras
Apr 29 03:33:13 <johnx> also, the pvr.ko kernel module is in the 2430 sdk for linux
Apr 29 03:33:23 <johnx> gotta track down a link, but you might do it faster than me
Apr 29 03:33:26 * johnx keeps looking
Apr 29 03:33:31 <LiraNuna> 2430 or 2420?
Apr 29 03:33:35 * rm_you looks back at johnx
Apr 29 03:33:39 <johnx> hey rm_you
Apr 29 03:33:54 <johnx> LiraNuna, like I said, i guess I was wrong about it being for exactly our chip
Apr 29 03:34:03 <LiraNuna> ah
Apr 29 03:34:04 <johnx> it's still an mbx so there might be some clues
Apr 29 03:35:08 <johnx> if you go here: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/ and search for pvr.ko the reading might be interesting
Apr 29 03:35:10 <johnx> but no promises
Apr 29 03:35:15 <Macer> well
Apr 29 03:35:21 <Macer> download openoffice for windows :)
Apr 29 03:35:22 <Macer> haha
Apr 29 03:35:48 <Macer> i hate the direction ms office took. it looks like it was sent through a gay parade
Apr 29 03:36:14 <johnx> you mean it has some sense of aesthetic sensibility? yes, I'd have to agree
Apr 29 03:36:17 <LiraNuna> johnx, I got my N810 today, I don't seem to have 'extras' in the application manager
Apr 29 03:36:37 <johnx> that's why I linked it up above :)
Apr 29 03:36:56 <LiraNuna> ah, I'm sorry I missed that
Apr 29 03:37:09 <johnx> no prob
Apr 29 03:37:17 <johnx> you could also do this: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/openssh/
Apr 29 03:39:57 <LiraNuna> thank you
Apr 29 03:43:28 <GeneralAntilles> itT's upgrading.
Apr 29 03:44:25 <johnx> ItT is
Apr 29 03:45:01 <GeneralAntilles> Yeah, that's what I said. :P
Apr 29 03:45:18 <johnx> that's what *she* said :D
Apr 29 03:45:31 <GeneralAntilles> *rimshot*
Apr 29 03:45:38 * johnx runs
Apr 29 03:46:21 <GeneralAntilles> As sophomoric as it is, there are few jokes with as unlimited potential as that one.
Apr 29 03:51:16 <Macer> blah
Apr 29 03:51:20 <Macer> have to restart my damn zimbra server
Apr 29 03:53:18 <johnx> geek horror movies: "The Zimbra Server of the Damned"
Apr 29 03:57:14 <Macer> heh
Apr 29 03:57:19 <Macer> no.. i just forgot to install ntpd
Apr 29 03:57:23 <Macer> i don't know wtf i was thinking
Apr 29 03:57:38 <Macer> and i guess after like 4 months... a clock can drive like 2 weeks off
Apr 29 03:57:40 <Macer> wtf kind of shit is that?
Apr 29 03:57:53 <johnx> pretty crappy clock
Apr 29 03:58:00 <Macer> it's a vbox :)
Apr 29 03:58:02 <johnx> still, PC clocks are pretty atrocious
Apr 29 03:58:04 <johnx> aaah
Apr 29 03:58:08 <johnx> fun timing crap :)
Apr 29 03:58:08 <Macer> yeah. it obviously isn't swiss kept timing
Apr 29 03:58:30 <Macer> so things got a little wierd moving the clock up like 2 weeks
Apr 29 03:59:15 <GeneralAntilles> johnx, I'm totally in favor of shipping mechanical movements in new computers just for that purpose. :P
Apr 29 04:00:04 <johnx> and I want radio-isotope powered laptops, but i don't think we're the target market :)
Apr 29 04:00:19 <Macer> haha
Apr 29 04:00:24 <Macer> that would be awesome :)
Apr 29 04:00:33 <Macer> i could picture gears in a computer to keep the timing correct
Apr 29 04:00:58 <GeneralAntilles> johnx, I hate that we're rarely the target market.
Apr 29 04:01:33 <johnx> well, things are moving towards more and more targeted markets :)
Apr 29 04:01:38 <johnx> it's a nice change
Apr 29 04:01:56 <Macer> since i gave Sts my n800  have like 3 SDs i'm not using heh.. going to copy important stuff to them now
Apr 29 04:02:09 <Macer> i should start using the S in the SD part
Apr 29 05:56:19 <thux> morning
Apr 29 06:23:25 <Stskeeps> dear god, new iTT theme is evil in the morning
Apr 29 06:24:26 <johnx> ah. it's back up?
Apr 29 06:32:41 <GAN8001> Stskeeps, don't be hateful.
Apr 29 06:34:07 <Stskeeps> GAN800: ah, i'm just sensitive to light in the morning :P
Apr 29 06:34:24 <johnx> especially when you're note expecting it :)
Apr 29 06:35:03 <GeneralAntilles> Reggie made a rather herculean effort getting it together, but it needs some tweaking.
Apr 29 06:35:18 <Stskeeps> hehe
Apr 29 06:35:55 <GeneralAntilles> The js dropdown menus just don't work.
Apr 29 06:36:05 * johnx digs the big font
Apr 29 06:36:26 * luke-jr_ notes dropdown menus can work without js
Apr 29 06:36:42 * Corsac still has the old theme
Apr 29 06:36:49 <Corsac> (but I'm not logged in)
Apr 29 06:36:50 <luke-jr_> johnx: I hope they aren't forcing a set font size on everyone? :/
Apr 29 06:36:51 <johnx> my autopager doesn't work anymore :/
Apr 29 06:37:13 <luke-jr_> or worse, scaling the viewer's preference larger :/
Apr 29 06:38:51 <johnx> mmm, minimalistic is darker and lightning fast
Apr 29 06:49:23 <johnx> I think I'll take Denmark's police over UK police :)
Apr 29 06:49:33 <johnx> http://www.boingboing.net/2009/04/28/police-in-denmark-hu.html
Apr 29 06:51:37 <LiraNuna> how does USB OTG works?
Apr 29 06:51:42 <LiraNuna> I got the adapter
Apr 29 06:52:00 <johnx> n810 or n800?
Apr 29 06:52:05 <LiraNuna> N810
Apr 29 06:52:08 <LiraNuna> (WiMAX)
Apr 29 06:52:56 <johnx> ah, so you have a micro-a -> full sized a adapter? or a micro-b -> female-female -> full sized a
Apr 29 06:52:58 <johnx> ?
Apr 29 06:53:46 <LiraNuna> micro-b -> female
Apr 29 06:54:04 <LiraNuna> http://www.twstore.com/gcusbafzm.html
Apr 29 06:54:05 <LiraNuna> this one
Apr 29 06:54:19 <LiraNuna> a better picture - http://us.st12.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/twstore_2045_70640944
Apr 29 06:54:44 <LiraNuna> I tried a USB flash drive, but it won't receive power and I don't see anything in the file manager
Apr 29 06:55:13 <johnx> http://wiki.maemo.org/USB_host_mode
Apr 29 06:55:24 <johnx> as root: http://wiki.maemo.org/USB_host_mode
Apr 29 06:55:34 <johnx> there's a cool little statusbar applet that does it too
Apr 29 06:56:14 <johnx> more copy fail from me, as root: echo host > /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/mode
Apr 29 06:56:59 <LiraNuna> johnx, thanks a lot
Apr 29 06:57:53 <LiraNuna> "sudo gainroot" ? no "sudo su -" ?
Apr 29 06:58:13 <johnx> I forgot why su doesn't work
Apr 29 06:58:14 <dantonic> Hey anyone have Openoffice 3.0 working on their tablet?
Apr 29 06:58:26 <johnx> I think it has to do with busybox not having SUID root bit set
Apr 29 06:59:24 <LiraNuna> suid bit? I thought root == userid(1000)
Apr 29 07:00:05 <johnx> root = userid 0
Apr 29 07:00:50 <LiraNuna> err, normal users are 1000
Apr 29 07:00:53 <LiraNuna> <- long day
Apr 29 07:00:55 <johnx> second, the SUID bit gives an app the ability to act with the permissions of its owner
Apr 29 07:01:01 <Stskeeps> johnx: they're often friendly unless you're hostile
Apr 29 07:01:28 <johnx> Stskeeps, yeah! they were in Japan too! it's just such a foreign concept to me though...
Apr 29 07:01:35 <LiraNuna> Stskeeps, are you suggesting I'm a troll?
Apr 29 07:02:09 <johnx> I think he's referring to an earlier comment I made about police in Denmark :)
Apr 29 07:02:10 <LiraNuna> or I'm having a really long day and need to rest..
Apr 29 07:02:11 <Stskeeps> LiraNuna: nah, talking about danish policemen :)
Apr 29 07:06:53 <johnx> basically the only way to have a usable su on maemo is to essentially give all apps SUID root privileges (because they're all just links to busybox)
Apr 29 07:07:10 <johnx> or have a standalone su binary that's not linked to busybox
Apr 29 07:07:51 <johnx> since Nokia didn't really want to hand out root on the device anyways (except to developers, etc), they just decided that the sudo gainroot hack was good enough
Apr 29 07:08:29 <Stskeeps> and sudoers.d
Apr 29 07:08:33 <Stskeeps> which is actually sane
Apr 29 07:08:54 <johnx> yes, sudoers.d is a nice touch
Apr 29 07:09:08 <johnx> <- big fan of turning monolithic config files into foo.d
Apr 29 07:10:18 <Stskeeps> more than welcome to work on /etc/hildon.d btw
Apr 29 07:11:14 <johnx> for startup? or for general settings?
Apr 29 07:11:35 <Stskeeps> for start-hildon startup
Apr 29 07:11:49 <Stskeeps> so i can dump it let's say 05set-backlight or whatever
Apr 29 07:12:34 <johnx> yes, and so we can support multiple devices
Apr 29 07:12:49 <Stskeeps> wait, where's the "Thanks" button on the new theme?
Apr 29 07:12:57 <Stskeeps> nm
Apr 29 07:13:02 <Stskeeps> where's the Thanks count? :P
Apr 29 07:21:58 <mgedmin> hm, there could be a suid wrapper that execs busybox with argv[0] set appropriately, if it matches a whitelist
Apr 29 07:37:14 <LiraNuna> how come I can't access maemo.org from my tablet?
Apr 29 07:38:39 <johnx> what happens when you try?
Apr 29 07:38:58 <LiraNuna> "Connecting"
Apr 29 07:39:18 <johnx> connects just fine here
Apr 29 07:39:25 <johnx> can you get to anything else?
Apr 29 07:39:32 <LiraNuna> yeah, easy
Apr 29 07:40:01 <johnx> weirdness
Apr 29 07:40:13 <johnx> they use a caching network and they just changed a whole bunch of stuff, so ...
Apr 29 07:40:28 <johnx> maybe try to force a reload, though I'm not sure how you do that on the tablet's browser ..
Apr 29 07:40:29 <LiraNuna> I just want to get usb otg working :<
Apr 29 07:40:57 <johnx> if you already added extras, I think that usb otg plugin is available from app manager
Apr 29 07:41:04 <johnx> not sure if it's extras or extras-devel
Apr 29 07:41:19 <StsN801> ljp, much appreciated on the speedy inclusion of osso-system-lock-l10n-public :)
Apr 29 07:41:27 <LiraNuna> I installed maemo-usb-control and I see nothing
Apr 29 07:41:31 <StsN801> (source)
Apr 29 07:41:47 <johnx> LiraNuna, it's an application. look in your menus
Apr 29 07:41:58 <johnx> probably extras or something
Apr 29 07:42:05 <LiraNuna> nothing
Apr 29 07:42:24 <StsN801> control panel?
Apr 29 07:42:36 <johnx> ah, is that the one that adds a control panel applet?
Apr 29 07:43:58 <johnx> anyways, good luck. I'm off to bed
Apr 29 07:44:38 <StsN801> nini
Apr 29 07:47:27 <LiraNuna> I tried, there's nothing in panels
Apr 29 07:48:21 <StsN801> in settings-control panel?
Apr 29 07:49:31 <johnx> just fyi, maemo-control-usb seems to be for usb networking
Apr 29 07:49:41 <johnx> should be bottom of the control panel, "USB networking"
Apr 29 07:51:20 <johnx> LiraNuna, anyways, all the GUI things do at their core is echo host > /sys/...
Apr 29 07:51:26 * johnx really sleeps
Apr 29 07:52:38 <StsN801> and rmmod g_file_storage
Apr 29 07:53:27 <johnx> StsN801, only the ones that enable usb networking. for host mode you need g_file_storage IIRC
Apr 29 07:53:39 <StsN801> k
Apr 29 07:59:25 <Jaffa> Morning, all
Apr 29 08:00:43 <timeless_mbp> yes
Apr 29 08:04:47 <Jaffa> GeneralAntilles: newstyle bugzilla looks good
Apr 29 08:10:27 <lbt> morning Jaffa
Apr 29 08:11:22 <lbt> bleb's being useful again.... lets me mirror fremantle to OBS really easily so Stskeeps can promote things into Mer already
Apr 29 08:12:34 <Jaffa> Cool
Apr 29 08:13:59 <lbt> yup
Apr 29 09:10:34 <LiraNuna> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cym7UaUk5s8&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.valeriovalerio.org%2F%3Fp%3D225&feature=player_embedded
Apr 29 09:10:42 <LiraNuna> how can they blur/drag and others?
Apr 29 09:14:39 <Jaffa> LiraNuna: "they"?
Apr 29 09:15:05 <LiraNuna> "the developers" hehe
Apr 29 09:15:39 <Jaffa> Because Maemo 5 supports OpenGL-ES and, on top of it, Clutter.
Apr 29 09:16:12 <LiraNuna> will it run on N series?
Apr 29 09:17:29 <Jaffa> LiraNuna: Do you mean existing N800 or N810 devices?
Apr 29 09:17:37 <LiraNuna> Jaffa, yes
Apr 29 09:17:40 <Jaffa> No.
Apr 29 09:17:58 <Jaffa> Parts of Maemo 5 are being backported as part of the Mer project: http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer
Apr 29 09:18:02 <Myrtti> that demo just makes me want to cry a bit more for a knitting pattern designer
Apr 29 09:18:13 <LiraNuna> it could if we had the PowerVR, right?
Apr 29 09:18:39 <Jaffa> LiraNuna: Theoretically
Apr 29 09:19:00 <LiraNuna> do Nokia have plans for next gen N series tablet?
Apr 29 09:19:13 <Jaffa> One assumes so ;-)
Apr 29 09:19:18 <Jaffa> ~rx-51
Apr 29 09:19:18 <infobot> methinks rx-51 is http://maemo.org/community/council/community_highlights_for_december_2008-part_i-january_2009-part_ii/ http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS9093153240.html
Apr 29 09:19:26 <Jaffa> Have a look at those articles ---^
Apr 29 09:21:54 <LiraNuna> thanks
Apr 29 09:22:47 <LiraNuna> I found pvrdrv.ko, it still have debug symbols on it
Apr 29 09:24:09 <Jaffa> LiraNuna: You may also be interested in http://wiki.maemo.org/Drivers_justification and http://wiki.maemo.org/Talk:Drivers_justification
Apr 29 09:24:43 <LiraNuna> I read those, thanks. but I don't really thinks TI cares
Apr 29 09:25:26 <StsN801> its imgtech, not ti
Apr 29 09:43:42 <LiraNuna> http://liranuna.com/junk/pvr.ko.objdump.txt
Apr 29 09:43:57 <LiraNuna> 00002d84 T AllocStaticFBMem
Apr 29 09:43:58 <LiraNuna> 000070f8 T InitMpegDeviceInfo
Apr 29 09:44:04 <LiraNuna> I say we found gold
Apr 29 09:48:38 <Jaffa> LiraNuna: Where's this pvrdrv.ko come from? Presume it's not insertable on an N8x0?
Apr 29 09:48:47 <LiraNuna> Jaffa, I didn't try
Apr 29 09:49:09 <LiraNuna> but pvr is global, I doubt that there are several versions of it
Apr 29 09:49:20 <LiraNuna> but it's a valid armel kernel object
Apr 29 09:49:25 <LiraNuna> with a lot of debug symbols
Apr 29 09:49:38 <Stskeeps> hmm
Apr 29 09:49:51 <Stskeeps> look for kernel version
Apr 29 09:49:52 <Jaffa> There was previously one for the PepperPad, IIRC - but I can't remember the details (or if it was a different module)
Apr 29 09:50:00 <Jaffa> lardman did a lot of research on it
Apr 29 09:53:15 <LiraNuna> is PepperPad compatible with N8x0?
Apr 29 09:54:27 <LiraNuna> err PP's HW
Apr 29 09:55:04 <X-Fade> No, different powervr.
Apr 29 09:55:12 <LiraNuna> and where's the research is currently
Apr 29 09:56:11 <X-Fade> LiraNuna: And that driver doesn't do anything without the userspace binaries.
Apr 29 09:56:56 <LiraNuna> X-Fade, I'm investigating, I come from ARM 7-9 EB embedded dev
Apr 29 09:59:45 <X-Fade> LiraNuna: Well, I wish you good luck ;)
Apr 29 10:18:53 <LiraNuna> http://www.imgtec.com/powervr/insider/sdkdownloads/index.asp#GLES1b
Apr 29 10:22:19 <LiraNuna> there's a system emulator
Apr 29 10:59:02 <RST38h> http://de.ifun.ru/8/v/8v8cq1z7.jpg (no translation required)
Apr 29 11:04:29 <StsN800> wtf
Apr 29 11:07:00 <aquatix> what the hell?
Apr 29 11:07:25 * Myrtti gives everyone a lollipop
Apr 29 11:08:59 <Myrtti> hmmmm?
Apr 29 11:09:39 <aquatix> yum
Apr 29 11:09:59 * aquatix liks Myrtti lollip- hm, better not say that
Apr 29 11:10:02 <aquatix> *licks
Apr 29 11:10:45 <aquatix> aaanyways, quiet here :)
Apr 29 11:10:59 <lbt> we's in #mer
Apr 29 11:11:17 <aquatix> hm, good point
Apr 29 11:11:33 <lbt> no lollipops in #mer though...
Apr 29 11:12:01 <aquatix> :(
Apr 29 11:22:09 <Jaffa> Quick question before I look stupid: does the t.m.o theme have a way of going to "first new post" when using the "new posts" search?
Apr 29 11:23:24 <Jaffa> Aha, clicking on the "replies" number at the right looks like it should do it
Apr 29 11:36:08 <lbt> what's it called when a company grows and you split of a good section?
Apr 29 11:36:34 <derf> A spin-off.
Apr 29 11:37:08 <lbt> yeah, I'm looking for a good word for a CV
Apr 29 11:48:16 <Jaffa> lbt: "I was heavily involved in the setting up of the spin-off company, Visteon, from its parent company Ford"
Apr 29 11:48:35 <lbt> I think divest is winning
Apr 29 11:48:42 <Jaffa> lbt: IOW, "spin-off" is fine for a CV IMNSHO
Apr 29 11:52:50 <woglinde_> yeah spin-off is good
Apr 29 11:53:51 <lbt> ok... less poncy
Apr 29 11:55:54 <woglinde_> lbt why do you need a new job?
Apr 29 11:56:04 <woglinde_> hi qgil
Apr 29 11:56:13 <qgil> hi
Apr 29 11:56:43 <qgil> X-Fade: do you know whether there is a page equivalent to http://maemo.org/news/events/maemo_summit-001/ for the Danish Weekend, so people can see the status of their sponsorship requests?=
Apr 29 11:57:14 <qgil> lbt was asking for the status of his sponsorship but I actually don't find him in the regitrsation
Apr 29 11:57:29 <X-Fade> qgil: They can see their own status through the register link.
Apr 29 11:57:33 <qgil> maybe he didn't complete/started the sponsorship request, but he could not check
Apr 29 11:57:34 <X-Fade> IIRC>
Apr 29 11:57:46 <woglinde_> qgil can you say something about the gles stuff for endusers? do they have to get a "personal" license too?
Apr 29 11:57:49 <qgil> ah ok, that should be enough
Apr 29 11:58:08 <qgil> woglinde_ gles in Fremantle?
Apr 29 11:58:12 <lbt> qgil: really?
Apr 29 11:58:15 <woglinde_> qgil yes
Apr 29 11:58:56 <qgil> Maemo 5 users will get their devices (evebntually paying for them) and that will be it, only a buch of hackers will be aware of something called OpenGL ES under the hood
Apr 29 11:59:38 <woglinde> qgil ah okay so have this agreement with imaginations
Apr 29 11:59:47 <lbt> qgil: 100% sure I filled it in :)
Apr 29 12:00:05 <X-Fade> lbt: Also confirmed the next step?
Apr 29 12:00:11 <lbt> (nb, at the time it *didn't* say I had to register
Apr 29 12:00:16 <qgil> lbt please apply for sponsorship at http://maemo.org/news/events/registrations/register/8352ee2c242e11de8f60a7c7088bfc14fc14/
Apr 29 12:00:18 <lbt> Yes, I confirmed...
Apr 29 12:00:46 <lbt> heh, it remembers my answers :)
Apr 29 12:00:47 <qgil> woglinde: the software in the image will contain whatever agreements with third parties, as usual
Apr 29 12:01:05 <X-Fade> lbt: Yes, those are stored in your profile.
Apr 29 12:01:21 <qgil> any other developers thinking of applying, please do it soon (like e.g. now)
Apr 29 12:01:23 <lbt> indeed - doesn't prove anything mind you
Apr 29 12:07:48 <qgil> X-Fade: fyi Sponsorship request for Maemo event rejected email contains no text at all, including my explanations - now lost
Apr 29 12:08:54 <X-Fade> qgil: Hmm that is strange, I copied them from the old maemo2007 style.
Apr 29 12:12:25 * Stskeeps checks up on libhildon in mer
Apr 29 12:38:16 <lopz> hola
Apr 29 13:21:03 <woglinde> jo luck
Apr 29 13:51:01 <cosmo_> how do i install an application to Settings menu?
Apr 29 13:51:17 <woglinde> .desktop file
Apr 29 13:51:27 <cosmo_> i checked some .desktop files for applications in it, but they don't have category specified
Apr 29 13:54:59 <cosmo_> hm, i'll just have to try if it respects Category=Settings
Apr 29 14:32:37 <Guest9625_967> no news for ubuntu MID?  is it allready downloadable somewhere?
Apr 29 14:33:09 <Stskeeps> ubuntu mid sucked, according to Meiz :P
Apr 29 14:33:21 <Guest9625_967> you try it?
Apr 29 14:34:41 <Guest9625_967> you probably try an alpha version
Apr 29 14:34:42 <Guest9625_967> lol
Apr 29 14:53:23 <thux> wonder why watching flash video takes much more battery than watching wmv...
Apr 29 14:53:37 <Stskeeps> flash is nasty
Apr 29 14:53:38 <Stskeeps> :P
Apr 29 14:54:13 <thux> seems so
Apr 29 14:54:41 <X-Fade> bacon?!? Bacone: http://blog.bacn.com/2009/03/baconcamp-the-bacone/ :)
Apr 29 14:55:54 <yerga> Have lcuk seen this: http://bacolicio.us/ ?
Apr 29 14:56:21 <X-Fade> That bacn.com is also a site dedicated to bacon ;)
Apr 29 14:57:04 <X-Fade> yerga: Lol @project application message ;)
Apr 29 15:00:50 <yerga> X-Fade, hehe
Apr 29 15:01:19 <yerga> it hasn't much sense write the same thing so many times ;)
Apr 29 15:02:27 <X-Fade> yerga: Indeed.
Apr 29 15:04:35 <disco_stu> yerga, hi, is it working flickr with sharepy?
Apr 29 15:04:48 <yerga> disco_stu, it should ;)
Apr 29 15:04:53 <disco_stu> yerga, cant set the username
Apr 29 15:05:13 <disco_stu> yerga, config stuff
Apr 29 15:05:13 <yerga> flickr not need username
Apr 29 15:05:32 <yerga> it launch the browser and you activate it in flickr
Apr 29 15:05:37 <disco_stu> ?
Apr 29 15:05:50 <disco_stu> ah ok
Apr 29 15:06:59 <yerga> disco_stu, actually there is a bug
Apr 29 15:07:04 <yerga> just discovered it
Apr 29 15:07:11 <disco_stu> yerga, its not launching anything
Apr 29 15:07:18 <disco_stu> yerga, lol
Apr 29 15:08:13 <disco_stu> :-(
Apr 29 15:08:16 <yerga> I'll fix it in one moment ;)
Apr 29 15:08:21 <yerga> Hi lcuk
Apr 29 15:08:36 <disco_stu> yerga, np man
Apr 29 15:08:56 <disco_stu> yerga, no hay problema :)
Apr 29 15:16:36 <lcuk> hi yerga!
Apr 29 15:16:42 * lcuk is being kicked out already lol
Apr 29 15:29:00 <RST38h> moo all
Apr 29 15:29:49 <disco_stu> moo
Apr 29 15:49:38 <z4chh> there a git installer anywhere? i can't seem to find one
Apr 29 15:49:53 <z4chh> for my n810..
Apr 29 15:49:58 <andre__> what is a git installer?
Apr 29 15:50:10 <z4chh> .install for git :D
Apr 29 15:50:29 <lbt> apt-get install git
Apr 29 15:51:00 <z4chh> lbt, i don't have the repo for it i suppose :\
Apr 29 15:51:12 <lbt> hmm lcuk has it I think
Apr 29 15:51:29 * lbt isn't daft enough to run git on his tablet
Apr 29 15:51:40 <Stskeeps> i had bzr on my tablet.
Apr 29 15:51:46 <z4chh> lbt, eh?
Apr 29 15:52:29 <lbt> lcuk has git installed - he may know where it came from if not extras(-devel)
Apr 29 15:52:52 <z4chh> yeah, ill have to speak to him about it...im trying to get his setup going for dev'ing liqbase
Apr 29 15:53:17 <z4chh> i already have scratchbox...but i want to see if a setup like his would be better
Apr 29 15:57:28 <RST38h> Heh...US carriers screwed Nokia on billing
Apr 29 15:59:27 <irgsomething> are there any audio-tools like a spectrum analyzer for my n810?
Apr 29 16:01:31 <disco_stu> yerga: are you there
Apr 29 16:01:40 <yerga> disco_stu, yes
Apr 29 16:01:56 <disco_stu> yerga: i've been inspecting the svn
Apr 29 16:02:29 <disco_stu> yerga: we need some documentation
Apr 29 16:02:47 <disco_stu> yerga: cause at first glance is hard to follow the code
Apr 29 16:03:04 <yerga> disco_stu, yes I agree
Apr 29 16:03:14 <disco_stu> yerga: i'll try to write some
Apr 29 16:03:22 <disco_stu> yerga: with some diagrams
Apr 29 16:03:33 <yerga> disco_stu, it would be great
Apr 29 16:03:42 <yerga> thanks
Apr 29 16:03:46 <disco_stu> yerga: what i want to ask you
Apr 29 16:04:02 <disco_stu> yerga: how do you upload the deb to the repo ?
Apr 29 16:04:26 <disco_stu> yerga: because i thought autobuilder had problem with python based apps
Apr 29 16:04:55 <yerga> disco_stu, it handles any source packages
Apr 29 16:05:13 <disco_stu> yerga: maybe it was my idea then
Apr 29 16:05:24 <yerga> I do the packaging with a Makefile, setup.py and debian/ stuff
Apr 29 16:05:43 <yerga> the Makefile just run the setup.py
Apr 29 16:13:22 <lcuk> z4chh, look in the apt sources list inside scratchbox, it includes the sdk and sdktool repos which if you add to your device gives you apt-get git goodness capabilities
Apr 29 16:13:25 <lcuk> as well as everything else
Apr 29 16:13:46 <z4chh> thanks lcuk
Apr 29 16:13:58 <lcuk> arent u meant to be studying tho lol
Apr 29 16:14:09 <z4chh> lunch break
Apr 29 16:14:22 <lcuk> heh yeah right :P
Apr 29 16:15:30 <lcuk> n810 finally died on wifi :( (or just dc'ed)
Apr 29 16:15:47 <z4chh> eh?
Apr 29 16:16:01 <lcuk> i have the new router
Apr 29 16:16:10 <lcuk> the n810 lasted for much longer
Apr 29 16:16:13 <z4chh> no more adhoc?
Apr 29 16:16:15 <lcuk> but its finally died
Apr 29 16:17:01 <lcuk> no, powersaving on my laptop after an upgrade meant windows kept popping a balloon every 30 seconds saying "connected"   "disconnected" etc
Apr 29 16:17:22 <lcuk> and really pissed me off, so i went and got a router so it can deal with the connection requests ;)
Apr 29 16:17:26 <z4chh> i figured out my n810 ssh connection refused problem
Apr 29 16:17:50 <lcuk> yeah?   bad key or router config
Apr 29 16:18:00 <z4chh> more like bad zach
Apr 29 16:18:19 <lcuk> did u reflash yourself/
Apr 29 16:18:30 <z4chh> yes :\
Apr 29 16:18:38 <lcuk> hh
Apr 29 16:18:47 <lcuk> anyway i wasnt stopping, i will bbiab
Apr 29 16:18:58 <z4chh> i don't have a usb port on my person though
Apr 29 16:20:04 <z4chh> anyways, i manually assign all ip's on my LAN..and i was accidently using an ip also used on my dad's windows laptop
Apr 29 16:39:11 <jeremiah_> X-Fade: ping
Apr 29 16:39:33 <jeremiah_> X-Fade: No fires needed, or still need, putting out on garage?
Apr 29 16:39:51 <radic> is obexftp available for maemo
Apr 29 17:00:12 <radic> libc6-dev: Depends: libc6 (= 2.5.0-1osso7) but 2.5.0-1osso10 is to be installed
Apr 29 17:02:06 <radic> Stskeeps: say anything that helps me
Apr 29 17:02:25 <Stskeeps> radic: sorry, i'm not a personal support line :/
Apr 29 17:03:37 <z4chh> how do you turn off and keep off the scrollbar for osso_xterm?
Apr 29 17:04:12 <radic> Stskeeps: i thought you are my supportline
Apr 29 17:04:51 <Stskeeps> radic: 20 eur/hour
Apr 29 17:05:38 <RST38h> Sts: that's cheap
Apr 29 17:05:40 <Stskeeps> my point is, anyone could try to answer here, targetting me exactly is a waste of time :P
Apr 29 17:06:09 <Stskeeps> RST38h: meh, pays the bills
Apr 29 17:06:29 * Stskeeps is happy to help but on my own choice.
Apr 29 17:10:40 <yerga> X-Fade, ping!
Apr 29 17:28:26 <Stskeeps> wait
Apr 29 17:28:35 <Stskeeps> wasn't today "Update on Maemo" at Nokia Developer Summit?
Apr 29 17:31:11 <yerga> Stskeeps, yes
Apr 29 17:31:24 <Stskeeps> any news? :P
Apr 29 17:31:35 <yerga> I haven't seen any
Apr 29 17:31:49 <yerga> everything from there is symbian related
Apr 29 17:32:32 <timeless_mbp> nokia developer summit?
Apr 29 17:32:34 <timeless_mbp> what's that?
Apr 29 17:32:42 <timeless_mbp> (asked the nokian)
Apr 29 17:33:03 <Stskeeps> http://events.nokia.com/developersummit/
Apr 29 17:38:53 <disco_stu> yerga: is pypackager still available ?
Apr 29 17:39:20 <yerga> disco_stu, I think so
Apr 29 17:39:30 <yerga> but I don't know, I haven't used it
Apr 29 17:39:55 <disco_stu> yerga: how do you make the package build ?
Apr 29 17:40:39 <yerga> In scratchbox I do dpkg-buildpackage to create .tar.gz .dsc and .changes
Apr 29 17:40:51 <yerga> and I upload it to the autobuidler
Apr 29 17:42:00 <Jaffa> re
Apr 29 17:46:24 <timeless_mbp> cool
Apr 29 17:46:56 <timeless_mbp> so, RealPlayer Downloader.app lets me slurp flv files :) and RealPlayer.app can play them
Apr 29 17:53:39 <dantonic> hi anyone use xchat?
Apr 29 17:54:38 <timeless_mbp> oh wow
Apr 29 17:54:59 <timeless_mbp> so, they did announce two things at around 8:20-8:30/17:25
Apr 29 17:55:18 * timeless_mbp chuckles
Apr 29 17:56:51 <lbt> ?
Apr 29 17:56:55 <Jaffa> timeless_mbp: poh? (on train, slow connection, no video etc.)
Apr 29 17:57:28 <slonopotamus> dantonic, yes
Apr 29 17:58:09 <dantonic> slonopotamus are you able to use sounds?
Apr 29 17:58:45 <dantonic> slonopotamus what's your configuration?
Apr 29 17:59:44 <slonopotamus> say smth
Apr 29 18:01:19 <slonopotamus> dantonic, nope, doesn't work
Apr 29 18:26:01 <VDVsx> bahhhhhhhhhhhh: http://www.symbian-freak.com/news/009/04/dream_is_over_n97_processor_details_revealed.htm
Apr 29 18:26:49 <VDVsx> good news for the tablets, will be the powerful nokia device :P
Apr 29 18:30:13 <lcuk> VDVsx, the cpu in my humble n810 is no slouch, it just wastes a lot of time doing graphics rendering that should be offloaded
Apr 29 18:31:17 <lcuk> quote: Nokia N97 is indeed looks pretty fast with some nice transitions mainly due the code optimization but the trick is to optimize the software to run smooth on the best hardware and optimizing software to be useable on low-end hardware is similarly disappointing!
Apr 29 18:31:22 <lcuk> thats wrong way round surely
Apr 29 18:31:38 <GeneralAntilles> Nice
Apr 29 18:31:39 <lcuk> optimized to work as well as possible on lowest hardware gives flawless perf on higher spec
Apr 29 18:32:03 <GeneralAntilles> People shot me down when I said the next tablet would be Nokia's first OMAP3 device. :P
Apr 29 18:32:07 <lcuk> hiya GAN
Apr 29 18:32:25 <lcuk> heh, if it gets out the door first :P
Apr 29 18:32:26 <Proteous> man, I was lookin forwared to the n97
Apr 29 18:32:33 <lcuk> you should still
Apr 29 18:32:38 <lcuk> its not a bad device
Apr 29 18:32:42 <lcuk> they are just ripping it
Apr 29 18:33:14 <VDVsx> lcuk, yap, my 5800 is also fast enough, but ultra cool graphics provided by a omap3 will be much better :P
Apr 29 18:33:19 <lcuk> my finger went numb today :S i couldnt feel it for a couple of hours :S
Apr 29 18:33:38 <lcuk> omap3 doesnt provide ultra cool graphics?   developers do :P
Apr 29 18:33:50 <GeneralAntilles> It's interesting to see Samsung leading with the cutting-edge S60 devices.
Apr 29 18:33:53 <lcuk> and my omap2 certainly feels good
Apr 29 18:34:00 <VDVsx> lcuk, haa, right :P
Apr 29 18:34:44 <VDVsx> lcuk, you know what I meant
Apr 29 18:34:46 <VDVsx> :)
Apr 29 18:35:44 <radic> how to send a file via bluetooth from the terminal?
Apr 29 18:36:44 <lcuk> bus or train terminal?
Apr 29 18:36:56 <irgsomething> LOL
Apr 29 18:37:00 <z4chh> hey qwerty12
Apr 29 18:37:31 <qwerty12> hi z4chh :)
Apr 29 18:37:32 <lcuk> hey qwerty12 \o
Apr 29 18:37:37 <qwerty12> hi lcuk :D
Apr 29 18:37:53 <lcuk> you were missed terribly - we made a whole new "answer all problems" web knowledge domain
Apr 29 18:37:57 <lcuk> just goto qwerty.com
Apr 29 18:38:01 <GeneralAntilles> andre__, think a Talk product is at all worthwhile?
Apr 29 18:38:11 <lcuk> you need to start a business :|
Apr 29 18:38:21 <radic> lcuk: from bash
Apr 29 18:38:28 <z4chh> yo qwerty, do you know of a simple way to keep the scrollbar off for osso-xterm?
Apr 29 18:38:30 <lcuk> radic, i dunno - ive heard about it being done
Apr 29 18:39:35 <qwerty12> z4chh: you can run "gconftool --set --type=bool /apps/osso/xterm/scrollbar 0" but the setting isn't retained once you close it :/
Apr 29 18:39:44 <z4chh> qwerty12, yeah ;p
Apr 29 18:39:58 <lcuk> SEE!
Apr 29 18:40:02 <z4chh> ive gone through about 5 files trying to automate that when i start xterm
Apr 29 18:40:52 <lcuk> z4chh, you can create an alieas so its just one short cmd i think
Apr 29 18:40:56 <z4chh> like: Exec="/usr/bin/osso-xterm && gconftool --set --type=bool /apps/osso/xterm/scrollbar 0" ..in osso-xterm.desktop
Apr 29 18:41:05 <lcuk> or make a new .desktop file for console :O
Apr 29 18:41:09 * lcuk is thinking logically
Apr 29 18:41:13 <qwerty12> z4chh: why not just add it to ~/.profile or somesuch?
Apr 29 18:41:24 <qwerty12> Make it set 1 first and then 0
Apr 29 18:42:02 <z4chh> hmm
Apr 29 18:46:56 <z4chh> Is there a problem with executing a file on (for n810) /media/mmc2?
Apr 29 18:47:09 <qwerty12> /media/mmc2 is mounted noexec
Apr 29 18:47:10 <z4chh> i seem to not be able to even with chmod a+x o_o
Apr 29 18:47:13 <z4chh> ahh
Apr 29 18:47:17 <z4chh> that's a problem o_o
Apr 29 18:47:31 <qwerty12> grep the scripts in /usr/sbin for noexec
Apr 29 18:47:45 <qwerty12> I can't remember off the top of my head which script mounts the memory carc
Apr 29 18:47:47 <qwerty12> *card
Apr 29 18:48:05 <qwerty12> And, also, you'll wanna make sure your mounted partition isn't vfat
Apr 29 18:48:44 <z4chh> i can't just take off noexec in mtab? remount?
Apr 29 18:49:25 <qwerty12> "mount -o remount,exec /media/mmc2" may work but I'm not really sure
Apr 29 18:50:01 <z4chh> i got it
Apr 29 18:50:05 <z4chh> i just edited /etc/mtab
Apr 29 18:50:09 <qwerty12> Cool
Apr 29 19:08:39 <GeneralAntilles> Ah, yerga, nice video.
Apr 29 19:08:41 <GeneralAntilles> That really is slick
Apr 29 19:09:06 <yerga> GeneralAntilles, thanks
Apr 29 19:09:53 <lcuk> theres slick stuff?
Apr 29 19:12:35 <yerga> lcuk, this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-D-J0Y7ufM
Apr 29 19:12:41 <yerga> and this: http://bacolicio.us/
Apr 29 19:17:57 <lcuk> mmm yerga that looks great
Apr 29 19:18:25 <lcuk> its nice to see apps behaving very slickly
Apr 29 19:18:43 <GAN800> Scroll indicators are a page from Apple's book but really work well.
Apr 29 19:19:07 <lcuk> its a page from a logical book
Apr 29 19:19:22 <GAN800> Apple's logical book. ;)
Apr 29 19:19:23 <johnx> good interface design is stealing what works well and dropping what doesn't
Apr 29 19:19:36 <GAN800> Hey, sjgadsby
Apr 29 19:19:55 <Stskeeps> ooh. i'll look forward to a rx-51.
Apr 29 19:19:56 <sjgadsby> Hi, GAN800. What's up?
Apr 29 19:20:24 <GAN800> Maemo 5 is finally going to be the 'usable' I've been waiting for since 2005
Apr 29 19:20:32 <GAN800> Nothing interesting.
Apr 29 19:20:32 <sjgadsby> So, when is "Bacon discussion" being added to the description of this channel?
Apr 29 19:20:58 <lcuk> this channel? im fishing to have the next nokia model named after it
Apr 29 19:21:10 <GAN800> The first rule of bacon discussion is you never talk about bacon discussion.
Apr 29 19:21:18 <GAN800> Rover
Apr 29 19:21:28 <lcuk> nBacon
Apr 29 19:21:36 <dantonic> hey what other different type of players are available for maemo?  sox? what else?
Apr 29 19:22:01 <GAN800> They could always do a charity model
Apr 29 19:22:03 <johnx> dantonic, low-level cli stuff? or GUI stuff?
Apr 29 19:22:19 <GAN800> Apple has those RED iPods, we could have a Bacon Edition.
Apr 29 19:22:22 <lcuk> lol GAN800 the bacon model would be the heavy weight one with acna
Apr 29 19:22:24 <dantonic> johnx low level... basically I'm trying to find a way to make sound work in Xchat
Apr 29 19:22:25 <lcuk> acne
Apr 29 19:22:33 <dantonic> johnx and nothing seems to work so far
Apr 29 19:22:47 <johnx> I think sox might be available or whatever "play" is part of
Apr 29 19:23:30 <dantonic> johnx what's "play?"
Apr 29 19:23:50 <johnx> I thought it was part of sox. let me check which package it's part of
Apr 29 19:24:24 <johnx> well, sox is available
Apr 29 19:24:35 <johnx> it's in extras I think
Apr 29 19:25:17 <dantonic> johnx I think I have it I did apt-get install sox
Apr 29 19:25:28 <dantonic> how would I test playing a sound file from the command line?
Apr 29 19:25:38 <dantonic> sox /path/sound.wav ?
Apr 29 19:25:51 <johnx> I don't know. type man sox into google
Apr 29 19:26:07 <johnx> also, see if you have play available, I think it should do close to what you want
Apr 29 19:26:09 <johnx> which play
Apr 29 19:26:19 <johnx> ^type that into xterm^
Apr 29 19:27:20 <dantonic> it finds play:  /usr/bin/play
Apr 29 19:28:13 <johnx> then do play foo.wav
Apr 29 19:28:14 <penguinbait> Alright, who turned ITT into the ugly stepchild
Apr 29 19:28:21 <dantonic> johnx when Itry to play with the "play" command I get:  Sorry, this wav file is in MPEG Layer 3 format.
Apr 29 19:28:23 <penguinbait> the beating just went a little to far I think
Apr 29 19:28:27 <dantonic> what am I missing?
Apr 29 19:28:46 <johnx> dantonic, that's no wav. It's an mp3! :)
Apr 29 19:29:05 <dantonic> but it's not it's a .wav file dont get it...
Apr 29 19:29:13 <dantonic> it's the wav files that come with xchat
Apr 29 19:29:50 <dantonic> hmm wait I tried another of the wav files and it worked
Apr 29 19:30:28 <johnx> :)
Apr 29 19:30:54 <GeneralAntilles> penguinbait, give it a few days.
Apr 29 19:32:21 <GeneralAntilles> I'm not sure what the purpose of the poll is.
Apr 29 19:33:39 <lcuk> my eyes, the goggles - they do nothing
Apr 29 19:33:41 <dantonic> bah still doesnt work in xchat :(
Apr 29 19:35:22 <GeneralAntilles> Interesting, Modest plugins.
Apr 29 19:35:43 <dantonic> what other players are available?
Apr 29 19:36:28 <GeneralAntilles> Why do all these blogs have comment systems if you can never freaking leave comments?
Apr 29 19:36:53 <GeneralAntilles> Any Modest devs  about?
Apr 29 19:37:22 * lcuk is very modest
Apr 29 19:37:34 <johnx> dantonic, it works from the CLI, but not in xchat?
Apr 29 19:38:33 <lcuk> GeneralAntilles, has thanks button been removed in the new theme?
Apr 29 19:38:36 * lcuk cant find it
Apr 29 19:38:42 <GeneralAntilles> Are you logged in?
Apr 29 19:38:46 <GeneralAntilles> It's in the same place it's always been.
Apr 29 19:39:10 <penguinbait> GA, the purpose of the poll is to convince you all, THAT YOU MADE A MISTAKE
Apr 29 19:39:22 <GeneralAntilles> penguinbait, you had an opportunity to do that months ago.
Apr 29 19:39:30 <penguinbait> ITT is now ugly, you aint got no aliby
Apr 29 19:39:33 <penguinbait> its ugly
Apr 29 19:39:49 <penguinbait> Reaally, nobody told me
Apr 29 19:39:49 <GeneralAntilles> But apparently you didn't care enough to do involve yourself in the process then, so now you really don't have much right to be this negative now.
Apr 29 19:40:03 <penguinbait> GA is such a dick
Apr 29 19:40:06 <penguinbait> thats negative
Apr 29 19:40:16 <johnx> penguinbait, yeah, he's a dick, but he's also right
Apr 29 19:40:18 <johnx> :)
Apr 29 19:40:30 <johnx> GeneralAntilles, I mean that in the nicest way possible :)
Apr 29 19:40:43 <GeneralAntilles> I'd say I'm an asshole and not a dick.
Apr 29 19:40:47 <GeneralAntilles> But that's just me. ;)
Apr 29 19:40:52 <RST38h> "...and after several failed attempts at outbreak containment, the area was firebombed."
Apr 29 19:40:55 <dantonic> johnx sox converts audio files... it's not a player??
Apr 29 19:41:01 <penguinbait> Where was I supposed to go to find out that I was supposed to put in my comments months ago
Apr 29 19:41:02 * RST38h 100% agrees with penguinbait
Apr 29 19:41:08 <johnx> dantonic, it's a lot of things
Apr 29 19:41:10 <RST38h> (on ITT being ugly)
Apr 29 19:41:17 <dantonic> how do I use it to play?
Apr 29 19:41:22 <dantonic> the man only talks about converting files
Apr 29 19:41:24 <VDVsx> yerga, I saw in your screencast that you also have strange colors and visual defects in the dialog and in other elements.
Apr 29 19:41:32 <johnx> penguinbait, the same forum you're complaining about -or- this IRC channel -or- planet maemo
Apr 29 19:41:32 <penguinbait> You say I misse3d my opportunity, thaat I didn't know existed
Apr 29 19:41:49 <johnx> dantonic, the play command is part of the sox package
Apr 29 19:41:56 <johnx> read the man page for "play"
Apr 29 19:41:56 <GeneralAntilles> penguinbait, you did see the news about Talk months and months ago, right?
Apr 29 19:41:59 <johnx> but you said it worked ...
Apr 29 19:42:14 <penguinbait> Seems to me that Maemo Council could do a better job at informing the community of where and when their input is needed
Apr 29 19:42:23 <RST38h> GA: Current incarnation of talk.maemo.org has got Problems.
Apr 29 19:42:23 <GeneralAntilles> There's no such thing as a "Maemo Council"
Apr 29 19:42:31 <GeneralAntilles> RST38h, I agree.
Apr 29 19:42:37 <lcuk> GeneralAntilles, i saw it too, and i saw the maemo.org redesign come into shape, but i dont recall discussing the forum theming
Apr 29 19:42:40 <GeneralAntilles> RST38h, but one of those problems is not "SCRAP THE WHOLE THING!"
Apr 29 19:42:40 <penguinbait> MaemO Counc1l
Apr 29 19:42:43 <penguinbait> MaemO Counc1l
Apr 29 19:42:52 <RST38h> GA: Nah, there is no reason to scrap it
Apr 29 19:42:56 <GeneralAntilles> penguinbait, do you watch Planet?
Apr 29 19:43:08 <GeneralAntilles> penguinbait, because that's one of several places the website redesign was discussed.
Apr 29 19:43:18 <penguinbait> just give us a them alternative that is somewhat similar to the old site
Apr 29 19:43:20 <RST38h> GA: But emulating the original ITT more closely by having the global view of all latest threads on the main page would be nice
Apr 29 19:43:29 <lcuk> +1
Apr 29 19:43:35 <lcuk> thats the principle difference for me
Apr 29 19:43:41 <lcuk> the rest can be cured with css
Apr 29 19:43:53 <Stskeeps> i miss my thanks count, as i'm a karma whore..
Apr 29 19:43:54 <Stskeeps> :P
Apr 29 19:43:58 <RST38h> GA: And using smaller fonts too - the current fonts do not allow to put all the necessary stuff at the visible part of the page
Apr 29 19:44:03 <GeneralAntilles> RST38h, well, there's an active topics bar on the right.
Apr 29 19:44:04 * lcuk saw that bit of the discussion 
Apr 29 19:44:06 <lcuk> lol
Apr 29 19:44:11 <Stskeeps> yeah
Apr 29 19:44:14 <Stskeeps> i like the active topics one
Apr 29 19:44:17 <RST38h> GA: But we do not want a bar
Apr 29 19:44:26 <GeneralAntilles> The fonts match the rest of maemo.org
Apr 29 19:44:27 <lcuk> speak for yourself
Apr 29 19:44:28 <RST38h> GA: We just want an active topic view.
Apr 29 19:44:32 <lcuk> i want a well stocked bar
Apr 29 19:44:39 * RST38h stocks lcuk's bar )
Apr 29 19:44:48 * lcuk drinks
Apr 29 19:44:50 <GeneralAntilles> RST38h, I'd recommend bookmarking/shortcutting this URL http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/search.php?do=getnew
Apr 29 19:45:06 <RST38h> GA: They do match, but this is detrimental to site's usability
Apr 29 19:45:10 <GeneralAntilles> RST38h, active topics hardly seem like what this discussion is about.
Apr 29 19:45:11 <penguinbait> I think the new site it as ugly as the n800 when I bought it
Apr 29 19:45:19 <lcuk> GeneralAntilles, isnt the url gonna die anyway>
Apr 29 19:45:30 <RST38h> GA: As I said, it makes no sense scrapping the whole thing
Apr 29 19:45:32 <penguinbait> It did grow on me, but when I pick it up today, its an ugly device
Apr 29 19:45:45 <GeneralAntilles> http:/talk.maemo.org/search.php?do=getnew
Apr 29 19:45:47 <RST38h> GA: So, just listing the absolutely minimal amount of changes needed to make it usable
Apr 29 19:46:00 <johnx> penguinbait, so you're saying that nokia has achieved great cross-platform branding? :D
Apr 29 19:46:25 * sjgadsby thinks GA needs more slashes in that URL.
Apr 29 19:46:31 <GeneralAntilles> Yeah, yeah.
Apr 29 19:46:32 <RST38h> No, GA, this getnew thing is pretty in a web designer kind of way but it is way less usable than the original ITT
Apr 29 19:46:38 <johnx> also, if anyone uses autopager, I updated the autopager patter to support it :)
Apr 29 19:46:46 * GeneralAntilles sighs.
Apr 29 19:46:54 <lcuk> GeneralAntilles, that new posts misses a load of stuff that IS listed in the active topics on the right
Apr 29 19:46:56 <lcuk> im confused
Apr 29 19:46:57 <RST38h> GA: The original ITT lets you see all this stuff WITHOUT scrolling
Apr 29 19:47:19 <lcuk> i was trying to spot a thread id just posted in
Apr 29 19:47:36 <RST38h> GA: This getnew thing has each topic in a nice bubble with some cute fonts but it is NOT the purpose of the page
Apr 29 19:47:39 <lcuk> and its third on the right, but nowhere on the new stuff
Apr 29 19:47:40 <lcuk> hmm
Apr 29 19:47:49 <RST38h> GA: The purpose of the page is to see the most latest posts at one glance
Apr 29 19:48:05 <GeneralAntilles> RST38h, go talk to Reggie.
Apr 29 19:48:11 <GeneralAntilles> I really don't have any control over it.
Apr 29 19:48:25 <RST38h> GA: I kinda suspect he will agree. Ok, will do.
Apr 29 19:48:49 <penguinbait> the new look was an upgrade for maemo.org, it was a downgrade to ITT
Apr 29 19:49:07 <sjgadsby> Threads can be active without being new to you, lcuk.
Apr 29 19:49:08 <lcuk> looks very big and readable on a small device
Apr 29 19:49:09 <johnx> his poll isn't going so well
Apr 29 19:49:14 <RST38h> here, you pissed off penguinbait.
Apr 29 19:49:17 <RST38h> =)
Apr 29 19:49:21 <GeneralAntilles> Fine by me.
Apr 29 19:49:22 <lcuk> sjgadsby, i had a post from 16mins ago
Apr 29 19:49:26 <GeneralAntilles> He's the one that came in spewing bile.
Apr 29 19:49:27 <lcuk> that is not listed on new stuff
Apr 29 19:49:32 <lcuk> which shows back about 4 hours
Apr 29 19:49:36 <GeneralAntilles> lcuk, have you already read it?
Apr 29 19:49:46 <RST38h> GA: which basically means he got pissed BEFORE coming here =)
Apr 29 19:49:47 <GeneralAntilles> New posts shows unread threads.
Apr 29 19:49:50 <sjgadsby> lcuk: Yes, but if you're the last poster, then you've seen everything in the thread.
Apr 29 19:49:56 <lcuk> yeah but thats not what i want
Apr 29 19:50:05 <GeneralAntilles> If you want all threads updated recently, you want Today's Posts
Apr 29 19:50:08 <lcuk> the old one didnt care whether i had seen it before
Apr 29 19:50:12 <lcuk> it was just the latest things
Apr 29 19:50:29 <GeneralAntilles> http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/search.php?do=getdaily
Apr 29 19:50:42 <lcuk> thats it!
Apr 29 19:50:52 <lcuk> now all we need do is css the font and color down
Apr 29 19:50:59 <lcuk> and we have the original itt frontpage!
Apr 29 19:51:15 <dantonic> johnx thanks for your help... however can't get it to work...
Apr 29 19:51:44 <johnx> dantonic, you said it worked from the commandline? I don't understand what you're saying isn't working ...
Apr 29 19:51:53 <RST38h> GA: Notice that it shows at most 4 (four) topics
Apr 29 19:52:04 <RST38h> GA: On a standard 1280x800 display
Apr 29 19:52:09 <lcuk> RST38h, that latest link shows that you want
Apr 29 19:52:15 <RST38h> GA: But it does show lots and lots of eyecandy
Apr 29 19:52:16 <dantonic> johnx yeah it does but it doesnt work in xchat :(
Apr 29 19:52:18 <lcuk> wrong font but the info is there
Apr 29 19:52:33 <johnx> dantonic, playing the same file as from the commandline? are you providing the whole path?
Apr 29 19:52:37 <RST38h> lcuk: Yea, but the layout still makes it only show 4 entries without scrolling
Apr 29 19:52:51 <dantonic> I think so... I'm providing /usr/bin/play
Apr 29 19:52:52 <johnx> remember that capitalization matters
Apr 29 19:53:09 <lcuk> well im just goin on userstyles.org and using the stylish plugin for firefox i will try and cure that
Apr 29 19:53:20 <johnx> and you're not trying to play the "fake" .wavs that came with xchat?
Apr 29 19:53:43 <dantonic> trying the same path I use in the terminal to play the same file
Apr 29 19:53:49 * lcuk can see the big readable fonts working on n810
Apr 29 19:53:51 <dantonic> let me play with it some more
Apr 29 19:54:13 <johnx> dantonic, I think you'd have the same problem with any commandline audio player
Apr 29 19:54:19 <lcuk> but you are right RST38h on desktop theres no need
Apr 29 19:54:23 <johnx> people use "play" in desktop xchat all the time
Apr 29 19:54:55 <johnx> dantonic, one more idea: try running xchat from an xterm, then it should spit out an error if it fails to use play
Apr 29 19:55:35 <dantonic> johnx good idea let me try
Apr 29 19:56:32 <ShadowJK> huh, what's this about "big fonts" and "small device", surely on small device you want smaller fonts so that you don't need to scroll around
Apr 29 19:56:54 <lcuk> have you seen the fremantle videos? scrolling looks fun!
Apr 29 19:57:12 <RST38h> lcuk,johnx,qwerty: BTW , could you drop your $.02 on this issue: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4369
Apr 29 19:57:21 <ShadowJK> no, but if it's like tear on N8x0, then it gets old and annoying once the touchscreen is >6months old ;)
Apr 29 19:57:46 <lcuk> ShadowJK, not to me, i have big fast super scrolling too
Apr 29 19:57:58 <RST38h> My guess is that if it is not being publically discussed, the web site maintainer will quietly close or ignore the bug report
Apr 29 19:58:20 <dantonic> well... johnx now it seems to work...
Apr 29 19:58:25 <dantonic> didnt really do anything...
Apr 29 19:58:28 <johnx> :)
Apr 29 19:58:31 <dantonic> just started from the terminal
Apr 29 19:58:33 <dantonic> LOL
Apr 29 19:58:38 <johnx> that's the way it always goes
Apr 29 19:58:40 <johnx> glad it works
Apr 29 19:58:42 <ShadowJK> lcuk, I meant when touchscreen registers drag as a series of clicks with random intervals, the kinetic scrolling sometimes decides to send the page scrolling at lightspeed :-)
Apr 29 19:58:48 <dantonic> LOL cool thanks so much man really appreciate it
Apr 29 19:59:02 <lcuk> ShadowJK, thats a bad algorythm then
Apr 29 19:59:13 * RST38h spends lots of effort to AVOID kinetic scrolling in Tear now
Apr 29 19:59:23 <johnx> dantonic, no problem. enjoy your xchat with sound effects. I'll try to hilight you as much as I can so you can enjoy them :>
Apr 29 19:59:25 <RST38h> it's not reliable at all
Apr 29 19:59:27 <lcuk> because if you are still moving a certain amount and a certain speed the series of small strokes should be interpretted correctly
Apr 29 19:59:36 <ShadowJK> RST38h, use the dpad, it's actually useful for scrolling in tear (unlike microb)
Apr 29 19:59:57 * johnx applied the echowb theme and never went back
Apr 29 20:00:17 <ShadowJK> lcuk, actually it should probably reset its algorithm on mousebutton-up event or whatever event it gets
Apr 29 20:00:18 <lcuk> RST38h, you have mentioned the badness of the kinetic there
Apr 29 20:00:23 <RST38h> Shadow: dpad is very unreliable and uncomfortable for me =(
Apr 29 20:00:29 <RST38h> lcuk: Yea
Apr 29 20:00:38 <lcuk> on mouse up it should use the steps it has been given to "energize" the stroke you made
Apr 29 20:00:46 <ShadowJK> hm, I haven't experienced any reliability issues with the dpad on my N8x0... On my E70, however... :)
Apr 29 20:00:55 <lcuk> like pushing a roundabout
Apr 29 20:01:00 <RST38h> Shadow: On E70 it simply wears out
Apr 29 20:01:08 <ShadowJK> lcuk, oh right
Apr 29 20:01:09 <lcuk> little bursts shouldnt send it into orbit it should just keep it going
Apr 29 20:01:16 <RST38h> Shadow: there are no uncomfortability problems though
Apr 29 20:01:28 <lcuk> i sense though this isnt what happens outside of liqbase ;)
Apr 29 20:01:35 <ShadowJK> :)
Apr 29 20:01:54 <ShadowJK> oh well
Apr 29 20:01:54 <RST38h> Shadow: On N810, the dpad is a think metal band stuck right underneath the upper half of the device and lacking tactile feedback
Apr 29 20:02:01 <RST38h> s/think/thin
Apr 29 20:02:02 * ShadowJK has >1yr left on his N810's warranty :D
Apr 29 20:02:31 <ShadowJK> Yeah I have both N800 and N810
Apr 29 20:02:42 <lcuk> RST38h, im not posting in the bug topic cos its about the overall website and not specifically about talk
Apr 29 20:02:44 <ShadowJK> the N800 dpad is nicer to use, but I often press the back/escape key by mistake
Apr 29 20:02:48 <lcuk> i LIKE the rest of the site
Apr 29 20:02:58 <ShadowJK> N810 dpad isn't as nice to use, but I have no problems in comfort or in using it
Apr 29 20:03:10 <RST38h> lcuk: Yea, it is specifically about a problem with the site
Apr 29 20:03:23 <dantonic> haha :)
Apr 29 20:03:29 <RST38h> lcuk: For some reason the main page and the downloads page show those two promoted apps instead of actual content
Apr 29 20:04:07 <RST38h> lcuk: If this "feature" can somehow be argued for at the main page,  why it is done to Downloads completely escapes me
Apr 29 20:05:09 <lcuk> i dunno RST38h im not that bothered about the whole site i just dont wanna miss my posts and stuff :$
Apr 29 20:05:26 <dantonic> hey johnx what is the standard media player?  how do I find the path to that player?
Apr 29 20:05:32 <dantonic> the one that comes with the tablet?
Apr 29 20:05:48 <dantonic> how would I call that player to play a sound?
Apr 29 20:06:07 <johnx> with dbus-send
Apr 29 20:06:14 <johnx> but I think it would pull up the whole GUI
Apr 29 20:06:21 <johnx> maybe mplayer would be best
Apr 29 20:06:31 <johnx> <- duh, totally didn't think about mplayer
Apr 29 20:08:26 <RST38h> lcuk: I often checked Downloads section on the old site =(
Apr 29 20:08:40 <RST38h> lcuk: now it is hidden somewhere underneath =(
Apr 29 20:13:12 <jeremiah_> Installing the fremantle beta, wheee
Apr 29 20:13:40 <Stskeeps> woo
Apr 29 20:14:00 <jeremiah_> And after that, Mer .13!
Apr 29 20:14:07 <jeremiah_> Or is it just 13
Apr 29 20:14:25 <Stskeeps> 0.13 i gues
Apr 29 20:14:26 <Stskeeps> s
Apr 29 20:14:51 <Stskeeps> right now it looks like a 21.74% though (100% is day-to-day usable) :P
Apr 29 20:15:32 <jeremiah_> So the stable version is 12?
Apr 29 20:15:36 <lcuk> awww Stskeeps @ mathematical specifics
Apr 29 20:16:03 <Stskeeps> jeremiah_: nah, the day-to-day stable version is 1.0
Apr 29 20:16:07 <Stskeeps> we're not there yet :)
Apr 29 20:16:54 <GeneralAntilles> Stskeeps, give me a non-crap XServer and I'll up that number. ;)
Apr 29 20:17:04 <Stskeeps> GeneralAntilles: in progress :P
Apr 29 20:17:12 <GeneralAntilles> A finger keyboard, too.
Apr 29 20:17:17 <Stskeeps> waiting for nokia
Apr 29 20:17:18 <Stskeeps> :P
Apr 29 20:17:28 <Stskeeps> give me gtk coders and i'll give you gold
Apr 29 20:17:28 <Stskeeps> :P
Apr 29 20:17:51 <GeneralAntilles> I demand a refund!
Apr 29 20:17:53 <GeneralAntilles> ohwait
Apr 29 20:19:35 <dantonic> hey johnx how do you check which repository contains a program that you have installed?   is there a command for that?
Apr 29 20:19:51 <lcuk> apt-cache search [something]
Apr 29 20:19:52 <johnx> apt-cache policy package
Apr 29 20:19:56 <lcuk> ahh different
Apr 29 20:20:05 <johnx> policy tells you the repo
Apr 29 20:20:21 <GeneralAntilles> Engadget whores!
Apr 29 20:20:33 <Stskeeps> mm?
Apr 29 20:20:37 <GeneralAntilles> They picked up the beta story from Brighthand instead of my report when it came out . . .
Apr 29 20:20:38 <johnx> hey Omegamoon :)
Apr 29 20:21:04 <dantonic> ok ty
Apr 29 20:21:11 <qwerty12_N800> dantonic: are you using xchat 2.8.6?
Apr 29 20:21:24 <dantonic> ya
Apr 29 20:21:44 <GeneralAntilles> I wish news sites would just link to the original announcements.
Apr 29 20:21:59 <GeneralAntilles> Instead of taking you through a wild ride of a half-dozen different bloggers
Apr 29 20:22:37 <dantonic> qwerty12_N800 why did you have the same problem?
Apr 29 20:22:40 <qwerty12_N800> dantonic: good, I have control over that build :p. i'll see i've got time to make xchat just play the sound straight & upload a new build
Apr 29 20:22:44 <RST38h> GA: Engadget? =)
Apr 29 20:23:03 <dantonic> qwerty12_N800 oh great! did you read how we fixed it just now?
Apr 29 20:23:20 <dantonic> qwerty12_N800 would you make it use sox?
Apr 29 20:23:59 <qwerty12_N800> dantonic: nah, libhildon has a function for playing sounds w/out the use of an external program
Apr 29 20:24:21 <dantonic> qwerty12_N800 what's the function? can I use it instead of sox?
Apr 29 20:24:32 <dantonic> qwerty12_N800 how would I call it in xchat?
Apr 29 20:24:40 <qwerty12_N800> nah, it's something I need to do
Apr 29 20:24:45 <dantonic> ok cool
Apr 29 20:24:57 <dantonic> u doing it right now? :P
Apr 29 20:25:29 <dantonic> I was wondering though... if I wanted to call the OS media player to play the file... how would I do that? where is it located?
Apr 29 20:25:47 <dantonic> how would I call the NIT media player to play a file from the command line?
Apr 29 20:25:51 <jeremiah_> Found a bug.
Apr 29 20:26:17 <johnx> dantonic, you could maybe use gstreamer
Apr 29 20:26:30 <johnx> if you called the media player with dbus it would pop up the whole GUI
Apr 29 20:26:55 <dantonic> oh... but like when canola for example calls the media player.. how does it do it without the gui?
Apr 29 20:27:19 <johnx> it's just using the gstreamer part
Apr 29 20:27:30 <dantonic> johnx how does that work? what's the syntax?
Apr 29 20:27:38 <johnx> the exact command to call is a little complicated
Apr 29 20:27:39 <qwerty12_N800> uses the osso-media-server directly (and no, I dunno how it's done)
Apr 29 20:28:13 <dantonic> ah
Apr 29 20:29:24 <dantonic> man now I wanna know how it's done
Apr 29 20:29:32 <dantonic> I'm gonna go bug the people in the canola channel
Apr 29 20:31:16 <johnx> dantonic, or google gstreamer command line
Apr 29 20:32:52 <Omegamoon> johnx: good evening :-)
Apr 29 20:33:38 <johnx> :) I got a working x server ... kinda, but it's not reliable, and I ended up just going with x.org
Apr 29 20:58:17 * xnt wants to kill the idiot who made the fedora installer
Apr 29 20:59:45 <xnt> took me 3 HOURS  to boot back into ubuntu, it didn't find ubuntu-grub, and that crap tried  to chainload ubuntu-grub >:(
Apr 29 21:00:53 <GeneralAntilles> Ha! http://www.nfb.org/nfb/NewsBot.asp?MODE=VIEW&ID=437
Apr 29 21:00:58 <GeneralAntilles> It's true though.
Apr 29 21:01:05 <Shadow_M> chr on my n810 keyboard isnt working
Apr 29 21:01:14 <GeneralAntilles> People often don't get out of the way of hybrids because they don't know they're even there.
Apr 29 21:03:29 <johnx> GeneralAntilles, the solution is that everyone should have a honda civic fartcan :)
Apr 29 21:03:50 <GeneralAntilles> Hehe
Apr 29 21:04:04 <johnx> including bicycles
Apr 29 21:04:18 <GeneralAntilles> Just pick up a can of your favorite concentrated citrus juice.
Apr 29 21:04:18 <johnx> working on the physics behind that will be the job of muffler producers :)
Apr 29 21:04:54 <Shadow_M> honda crx hf better than hybrids
Apr 29 21:05:01 <Shadow_M> and no batt polution
Apr 29 21:05:12 <johnx> vw bug trumps all I'm pretty sure :)
Apr 29 21:05:13 <Shadow_M> also any ideas on my chr key
Apr 29 21:05:13 <GeneralAntilles> Hehe, well, it's also a tincan.
Apr 29 21:05:23 <GeneralAntilles> and the Bug is a deathtrap.
Apr 29 21:05:26 <RST38h> Shadow: There was a Civic VX in the states
Apr 29 21:05:44 <Shadow_M> i get 40 mpg us in my saturn
Apr 29 21:05:54 <Shadow_M> highway
Apr 29 21:06:02 <GeneralAntilles> Saturn is a rubbermaid crate.
Apr 29 21:06:13 <RST38h> Shadow: insane fuel economy, small engine
Apr 29 21:06:14 * lbt has no problem with blind people in his TVR...
Apr 29 21:06:21 <RST38h> Shadow: Americans hated it, too sluggish
Apr 29 21:06:28 <GeneralAntilles> lbt, I still maintain that you're a whore and I hate you. :P
Apr 29 21:06:28 <ShadowJK> batt polution... not high enough fines for not recycling?
Apr 29 21:06:43 <lbt> do I deny it ?
Apr 29 21:06:54 <lbt> wanna see some piccies little boy?
Apr 29 21:07:03 <GeneralAntilles> :D
Apr 29 21:08:16 <RST38h> ...and the current European version of Civic looks like a fucking UFO, especially on the inside...
Apr 29 21:08:33 <johnx> RST38h, yeah, but is it usable?
Apr 29 21:08:36 <Shadow__X> GeneralAntilles, saturn is much moere than that
Apr 29 21:08:53 <RST38h> johnxL The eurocivic? Yea, at least by european standards
Apr 29 21:08:54 <johnx> Shadow__X, was. check the latest news ...
Apr 29 21:09:05 <Shadow__X> RST38h, it isnt sluggish compared to other  cars in its category
Apr 29 21:09:09 <ShadowJK> european is highly variable anyway
Apr 29 21:09:21 <GeneralAntilles> I get ~35 mpg in my Camry on the highway.
Apr 29 21:09:34 <RST38h> Shadow: VX was considered sluggish in the US and did not sell
Apr 29 21:09:52 <Shadow__X> ok but my saturn sc2 gets 40mpg easily highway
Apr 29 21:09:55 <RST38h> Shadow: Europe has got different expectations :)
Apr 29 21:09:59 <Shadow__X> and its still fun to drive and peppy
Apr 29 21:10:10 <Shadow__X> RST38h, yeah in imperial gallons i get even more
Apr 29 21:10:21 <ShadowJK> some places majority of people drive in ways that make wet road matter, and in some places people drive all year round as if they expected road to be covered in polished ice
Apr 29 21:10:32 <Shadow__X> anyone have an idea as to why my chr key isnt working
Apr 29 21:10:48 <RST38h> Poor little CRV only gets 23mpg and drives like a trolley...
Apr 29 21:11:01 <johnx> ShadowJK, and in some places when it snows people start driving with their butts :)
Apr 29 21:11:04 <Shadow__X> ShadowJK, yeah and tires can make or break a car
Apr 29 21:11:07 <lcuk> any idea how i find out what xevent->type actually means in x11.  using the x11 header file it tells me that there are only 35 events, but sometimes i get events higher
Apr 29 21:11:15 <Shadow__X> a crv is a horrible attempt of a truck
Apr 29 21:11:36 <johnx> it's a civic that on growth hormones
Apr 29 21:11:41 <RST38h> Shadow: CRV is not a truck
Apr 29 21:11:50 <Shadow__X> barely on growth hormones just a bigger body
Apr 29 21:11:54 <Shadow__X> what is a crv
Apr 29 21:11:58 <Shadow__X> a wannabee
Apr 29 21:12:09 <ShadowJK> i dont notice tyres except when on wet ice, when I regret having 3 year old tyres with worn studs :)
Apr 29 21:12:11 <RST38h> Shadow: It is an Accord with half the units taken from the old Civic AWD
Apr 29 21:12:36 <Shadow__X> sounds about right just get a subaru at that point
Apr 29 21:12:44 <dantonic> omg can't stop watching this video ROFL
Apr 29 21:12:51 <RST38h> Shadow: Yea, except that Subaru is smaller on the inside
Apr 29 21:13:00 <RST38h> And has got some other problems
Apr 29 21:13:06 <dantonic> anyone seen the "Slap Chop" on youtube?
Apr 29 21:13:08 <johnx> depends on the year
Apr 29 21:13:12 <dantonic> the remix?
Apr 29 21:13:13 <Shadow__X> eh i guess
Apr 29 21:13:15 <RST38h> True
Apr 29 21:13:23 <johnx> the EJ25 had ... issues, but the EJ22 is solid
Apr 29 21:13:40 <ShadowJK> i wish they could invent a car that doesnt rust :(
Apr 29 21:13:45 <Shadow__X> so anyone know why my chr key doesnt work
Apr 29 21:13:45 <RST38h> Besides, current Subarus are ugly..ehhh, current CRVs are ugly too =(
Apr 29 21:13:56 <Shadow__X> i rather have a sub over a crv
Apr 29 21:14:06 <Shadow__X> i also rather have my older s10 blazer over a crv
Apr 29 21:14:09 * RST38h sounds like he will end up with Honda Element
Apr 29 21:14:10 <johnx> Shadow__X, when did it stop working?
Apr 29 21:14:13 <Shadow__X> it actually has an engine
Apr 29 21:14:30 <johnx> RST38h, most modern cars are ugly. makes me feel old and crotchety before my time :/
Apr 29 21:14:37 <GeneralAntilles> lol
Apr 29 21:14:38 <RST38h> Shadow: You are way too unjust toward CRV
Apr 29 21:14:38 <Shadow__X> johnx, dont really recall but i did recent to a reflash again onto my internal storage
Apr 29 21:14:52 <GeneralAntilles> johnx, my favorite car of all time is the XJ220.
Apr 29 21:14:53 <RST38h> Shadow: I mean, Subaru is reasonable, but Blazer?!?
Apr 29 21:15:04 <Shadow__X> RST38h, no if it looks like a truck is should be able to jump in the air and land with nothing wrong
Apr 29 21:15:15 <Shadow__X> RST38h, yeah i have been air bourne in my truck and nothing is wrong
Apr 29 21:15:25 <Shadow__X> given it was less than a foot but still
Apr 29 21:15:40 <Shadow__X> and i get about the same mpg with a 4.3 v6
Apr 29 21:15:44 <Shadow__X> crv cant beat that
Apr 29 21:15:50 <Shadow__X> its also fun to drive
Apr 29 21:15:53 <johnx> Shadow__X, so cloned to internal memory card? or just a reflash?
Apr 29 21:15:53 <RST38h> Shadow: The only place you can be airborne in a Blazer is that hydraulic thing in the repair shop
Apr 29 21:16:01 <johnx> did you install some other language support?
Apr 29 21:16:54 <Shadow__X> johnx, cloned to internal mem and not to my knowledge but under control panel and unter text input it has hardware keyboard layout english ,nl
Apr 29 21:17:08 <johnx> and it works when booted to flash?
Apr 29 21:17:31 <Shadow__X> RST38h, no going off road i have gotten air bourne go drive a 93 s10 blazer much better than a crv esp in the truck and power department
Apr 29 21:17:48 <Shadow__X> johnx, i will try to see if it works in the original image
Apr 29 21:18:02 <qwerty12_N800> Shadow__X: remove "-extension XInputExtension" from /etc/init.d/x-server
Apr 29 21:18:19 <Shadow__X> qwerty12_N800, i will try than on reboot
Apr 29 21:19:53 <Shadow__X> hmm ok i did notice something on the internal flash when i type i get the info bar on the bottom telling me what mode i am in
Apr 29 21:20:08 <Shadow__X> such as Abc or FN and chr works
Apr 29 21:20:18 <johnx> that's just a setting
Apr 29 21:20:23 <Shadow__X> on internal mem i wasnt geting that
Apr 29 21:20:26 <Shadow__X> johnx, where is that setting
Apr 29 21:20:34 <johnx> text prediction
Apr 29 21:20:40 <johnx> if you turn off all the options the bar goes away
Apr 29 21:21:03 <Shadow__X> hmm is that under text input in control panel
Apr 29 21:21:11 <johnx> I think so?
Apr 29 21:21:59 <johnx> text input -> dictionaries -> settings
Apr 29 21:23:39 <Shadow__X> hmm after reboot chr works again
Apr 29 21:30:22 <Shadow__X> flipclock is pretty nice
Apr 29 21:50:47 <lardman_> evening all
Apr 29 21:50:52 <lcuk> hey simon
Apr 29 21:51:00 <lardman|home> hey gary
Apr 29 21:51:14 <lcuk> how the wedding planning coming on
Apr 29 21:51:33 <lardman|home> getting hectic again
Apr 29 21:51:59 <lcuk> it will do
Apr 29 21:52:07 <lardman|home> thankfully yearly review meeting is over now though, was compounding things
Apr 29 21:52:29 <lcuk> bleugh!
Apr 29 21:52:45 <lardman|home> yeah like lots of presentations and questions and things
Apr 29 21:52:48 <lardman|home> nasty! ;)
Apr 29 21:54:33 <lardman|home> anyone know what the M11 is like?
Apr 29 21:54:44 * lardman|home is off to Norfolk this weekend for a wedding
Apr 29 21:54:54 <lardman|home> pretty much as far away as one can drive in England ;)
Apr 29 21:57:20 <lcuk> wont u fall off
Apr 29 21:57:33 <lardman|home> the tortoise? ;)
Apr 29 21:58:15 <lcuk> is that the furthest motorway?
Apr 29 21:58:15 <lcuk> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:UK_motorway_map_-_M11.png
Apr 29 21:58:52 <lardman|home> nice, you;d never of guessed I actually knew where it was or anything! :D
Apr 29 21:59:05 <lardman|home> s/of/have
Apr 29 21:59:18 <lardman|home> been to London today, grammar is slipping ;)
Apr 29 21:59:28 <lardman|home> qwerty12_N800: :p
Apr 29 21:59:59 <rm_you|> hrmrm
Apr 29 22:00:05 <qwerty12_N800> lardman: wot, u sayin we spk dodgy
Apr 29 22:01:08 <lardman|home> lol
Apr 29 22:01:11 <lardman|home> not at all
Apr 29 22:03:05 <qwerty12_N800> hehe, you don't wanna see my posts on forums about 5 years ago... not to say my grammar is brilliant now but it was a hell of a worse then...
Apr 29 22:03:57 <lardman|home> well, I can bring a grammar book with me to the summit......
Apr 29 22:04:07 <andre__> GeneralAntilles, if Reggie is interested in bug reports about Talk, I can do that
Apr 29 22:05:20 <qwerty12_N800> lardman|home: sure, lcuk needs to stop typing like how he speaks (northerner) :p
Apr 29 22:05:55 <lardman|home> I'm surprised he can even use a computer to be honest, not the lack of education, more the fact everything is powered with coal up there ;)
Apr 29 22:07:33 <GeneralAntilles> andre__, I'm thinking it'd probably be easier than sorting through threads.
Apr 29 22:07:39 <GeneralAntilles> But he didn't respond to my proposal yet.
Apr 29 22:07:47 <andre__> let's wait for his answer
Apr 29 22:33:04 <lardman|home> night chaps
Apr 29 22:41:31 <pupnik> "To be governed … is to be watched, inspected, directed, indoctrinated, numbered, estimated, regulated, commanded, controlled, law-driven, preached at, spied upon, censured, checked, valued, enrolled – by creatures who have neither the right, nor the wisdom, nor the virtue to do so." –  Pierre-Joseph Proudhon
Apr 29 22:42:48 <johnx> pupnik, enlightening quote. suggested alternatives?
Apr 29 22:43:51 <pupnik> less of the above
Apr 29 23:13:58 <coeus82> Hi, I was wondering of someone could help. I have a micro SDHC card with an adapter. When I insert it into the MiniSD slot on my n810 it is detected. The only problem is that I cannot add anything to the device. Nor can I create any new folder on it
Apr 29 23:14:23 <luke-jr_> coeus82: try formattign
Apr 29 23:14:45 <coeus82> luke-jr: do I format it to ext3?
Apr 29 23:15:18 <johnx> just format it in the device with the menu
Apr 29 23:15:32 <luke-jr_> coeus82: vfat unless you need ext3
Apr 29 23:16:33 <coeus82> assume vfat is default, that should do
Apr 29 23:27:31 <z4chh> so i tried out the gps navigation on my new n810
Apr 29 23:27:31 <z4chh> i was impressed
Apr 29 23:28:10 <z4chh> wayfinder is not as interactive as some of the garmin software out there..but it definately gets the job done
Apr 29 23:28:32 <z4chh> hi skibur
Apr 29 23:28:41 <GeneralAntilles> I'd love to see Garmin's navigation software available on the next tablets.
Apr 29 23:28:44 <skibur> jello
Apr 29 23:28:47 <GeneralAntilles> They do a top-notch job.
Apr 29 23:28:50 <z4chh> GeneralAntilles, same :D
Apr 29 23:29:09 <skibur> hum... since Ubuntu is arm based, can it work on N800?
Apr 29 23:29:20 <skibur> well as of ubuntu 9
Apr 29 23:29:32 <GeneralAntilles> Ubuntu supports ARM, it's not "arm based"
Apr 29 23:29:40 <GeneralAntilles> But, yes, you can use Ubuntu on an N800.
Apr 29 23:29:48 <GeneralAntilles> Although it's a rather pointless endeavor.
Apr 29 23:29:51 <z4chh> GeneralAntilles, garmin would be proprietary....but it is free once you buy one of their devices...how would new tablet run their software?
Apr 29 23:30:26 <johnx> depends on how much of it you want to use
Apr 29 23:30:54 <GeneralAntilles> Well, the 800-series Nüvis are Linux-based.
Apr 29 23:30:58 <GeneralAntilles> GTK, so it wouldn't be far off.
Apr 29 23:31:55 <z4chh> GeneralAntilles, i meant in a legal sense
Apr 29 23:32:11 <z4chh> wouldn't we all have to buy like licenses or something?
Apr 29 23:32:31 <GeneralAntilles> Well, assuming Garmin would even consider licensing it.
Apr 29 23:32:38 <GeneralAntilles> Yeah, I'm talking about buying it for use.
Apr 29 23:32:43 <GeneralAntilles> Nokia Maps may be good enough, though.
Apr 29 23:33:14 <luke-jr_> hm, in theory if you buy a Garmin, can you move the s/w to your N810?
Apr 29 23:33:21 <z4chh> yeah, the mapping software is decent
Apr 29 23:33:23 <luke-jr_> from a legal standpoint I mean
Apr 29 23:33:39 <luke-jr_> eg, as fair use
Apr 29 23:33:43 <z4chh> hah
Apr 29 23:33:51 <z4chh> my dad has a garmin...im going to try to mount it
Apr 29 23:33:57 <z4chh> just to have a look
Apr 29 23:33:57 <z4chh> xD
Apr 29 23:34:38 <skibur> Thanks GeneralAntilles
Apr 29 23:36:01 <GeneralAntilles> z4chh, only the 800-series are Linux.
Apr 29 23:37:43 <z4chh> GeneralAntilles, noted
Apr 29 23:38:00 <coeus82> z4chh: you can move the s/w to the n810?
Apr 29 23:51:35 <MoonTiger> does anybody here use the anjuta plugin for the maemo-sdk dev stuff?
Apr 29 23:55:07 <lcuk> no MoonTiger
Apr 29 23:55:18 * lcuk uses the console
Apr 29 23:55:28 <MoonTiger> hey lcuk :)
Apr 29 23:55:35 <lcuk> hi there :) ltns
Apr 29 23:55:48 <MoonTiger> yah ive been travelling and moving house
Apr 29 23:55:54 <lcuk> how you keeping? are you still in *magic ball* spain?
Apr 29 23:55:56 <MoonTiger> now i live on the beach in south of spain
Apr 29 23:56:14 <MoonTiger> but im in uk right now visiting family
Apr 29 23:56:18 <lcuk> yay good, you were just moving in when we last spoke
Apr 29 23:56:56 <lcuk> what are you working on the sdk to do
Apr 29 23:57:07 <MoonTiger> havent had internet in spain for a while either but that should be in when i get back
Apr 29 23:57:08 <lcuk> or are you just poking around
Apr 29 23:57:36 <MoonTiger> i want to rewrite my google calendar applet in c so it doesnt have the horrendous python runtime overhead
Apr 29 23:57:52 <lcuk> sounds like a worthy target
Apr 29 23:57:56 <MoonTiger> yah
Apr 29 23:57:59 <lcuk> have you seen any of my recent work
Apr 29 23:58:08 <MoonTiger> no internet
Apr 29 23:58:38 <MoonTiger> have you been busy?
Apr 29 23:58:40 <lcuk> ahh MoonTiger :) http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28592&page=2
Apr 29 23:58:43 <lcuk> yes, very
Apr 29 23:59:04 <lcuk> to give it context, this was released a couple of months ago
Apr 29 23:59:05 <lcuk> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMXp0Dg_UaY
Apr 30 00:00:10 <MoonTiger> holy crap!! looks *very* cool
Apr 30 00:00:29 <lcuk> its all in c..
Apr 30 00:01:56 <lcuk> since then all the liqbase kinetics have been put in palce and obviously the sketch editor is back (hence the sketching calendar)
Apr 30 00:02:45 <lcuk> that calendar scrolls for 2 years currently and dynamically loads any content it discovers for a day
Apr 30 00:10:27 <MoonTiger> and its all in a lib that can be used in other apps?
Apr 30 00:11:36 <lcuk> MoonTiger, if the app is written with liqbase in mind it can run as an applet within the larger desktop, or be compiled into a standalone exe and run on its own
Apr 30 00:11:57 <MoonTiger> nice!
Apr 30 00:12:11 <lcuk> so, yes, with slight strings attached because i prefer the all in one approach but need to keep it feasible to use otherwise
Apr 30 00:12:29 <lcuk> the calendar makefile currently produces 2 binaries
Apr 30 00:12:40 <lcuk> liqcalendar itself and liqcalendar.so
Apr 30 00:12:57 <lcuk> the .so is used in the greater desktp and the binary is just run
Apr 30 00:14:00 <MoonTiger> *nods*
Apr 30 00:14:59 <lcuk> MoonTiger, i love the fact its just gonna gracefully upgrade and work on both 8x0 and whatever else we throw at it
Apr 30 00:15:21 <MoonTiger> are you working on the freemantle stuff yet?
Apr 30 00:15:34 <lcuk> from a performance standpoint on my 700mhz x86 laptop its rendeirng is so quick!
Apr 30 00:15:54 <lcuk> why do i need to? :D
Apr 30 00:16:08 <MoonTiger> just curious ... are you going to in the future?
Apr 30 00:16:28 <lcuk> yeah of course :)
Apr 30 00:16:41 <lcuk> ill need to check if theres gonna be technical bugs etc
Apr 30 00:16:49 <lcuk> but i dont doubt the performance
Apr 30 00:17:35 <lcuk> developing it to run well on 8x0 has been the best thing i couldv done
Apr 30 00:17:48 <MoonTiger> i see that
Apr 30 00:18:10 <lcuk> i am so pleased that i now have a decent base that does what i ask it :)
Apr 30 00:18:40 <MoonTiger> how did you do the kinetic stuff?
Apr 30 00:19:44 <lcuk> kinetic just takes the last viable vector from a mouse stroke and for every frame adjusts location in the right direction
Apr 30 00:20:02 <MoonTiger> so you rolled your own?
Apr 30 00:20:02 <lcuk> and decrements the vector until its faded
Apr 30 00:20:14 <lcuk> the entire system is built from the ground up
Apr 30 00:20:26 <MoonTiger> ahhhhhhhhhhhh old school :)
Apr 30 00:20:27 <lcuk> i started with a blank bitmap :)
Apr 30 00:22:25 <lcuk> these are the current dev testing modules in use: http://liqbase.net/liq.20090412_230229.lib.holymoly.png
Apr 30 00:24:23 <MoonTiger> look cool
Apr 30 00:25:21 <lcuk> actually lol thats quite old
Apr 30 00:25:36 <MoonTiger> i have to get some sleep   now but i'll be on more now i have net
Apr 30 00:25:43 <MoonTiger> laterz :)
Apr 30 00:25:48 <lcuk> ok moony :) gnite
Apr 30 00:25:57 <MoonTiger> :)
Apr 30 01:04:13 <GeneralAntilles> andre__, added the Talk component.
Apr 30 01:20:55 <Shadow__X> has nokia hinted about the next n serious
Apr 30 01:21:03 <GeneralAntilles> ~rx-51
Apr 30 01:21:03 <infobot> i heard rx-51 is http://maemo.org/community/council/community_highlights_for_december_2008-part_i-january_2009-part_ii/ http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS9093153240.html
Apr 30 01:21:05 <GeneralAntilles> What we know ^
Apr 30 01:24:34 <aspect> I've just flashed my n800 using flasher-3.0 with RX-34_DIABLO_5.2008.43-7_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin, and it is booting to the white "nokia" screen and no further
Apr 30 01:25:40 <GeneralAntilles> aspect, flash it again?
Apr 30 01:26:05 <Shadow__X> i def wouldnt mind getting the new one if thats correct
Apr 30 01:26:15 <Shadow__X> because i love the n810 just wish it was faster
Apr 30 01:26:30 <Shadow__X> also streaming destroys mobile devices so that would be nice
Apr 30 01:26:36 <GeneralAntilles> Expect AT LEAST a 2x speed up on OMAP3 hardware.
Apr 30 01:26:49 <Shadow__X> ouuu i like the sound of that
Apr 30 01:26:57 <Shadow__X> if its in the same price bracket
Apr 30 01:27:02 <Shadow__X> around 300 ill def get it
Apr 30 01:27:09 <GeneralAntilles> It'll be much, much faster with accelerated 3D and video decoding
Apr 30 01:27:15 <Shadow__X> awesome
Apr 30 01:27:17 <GeneralAntilles> It wont start at $300
Apr 30 01:27:22 <Shadow__X> 400?
Apr 30 01:27:22 <GeneralAntilles> None of the tablets have started at $300
Apr 30 01:27:30 <Shadow__X> i bought mine for 360
Apr 30 01:27:31 <GeneralAntilles> N810 started at $479
Apr 30 01:27:35 <Shadow__X> hmm k
Apr 30 01:27:47 <Shadow__X> so when it gets released i can wait for price drops
Apr 30 01:28:10 <Shadow__X> but i would def love the new one esp if i can stream vids to it
Apr 30 01:28:12 <GeneralAntilles> Assuming a Summer release, you can probably expect some moderate drops around Christmas.
Apr 30 01:28:37 <Shadow__X> is there a release date
Apr 30 01:28:39 <Shadow__X> or thought of one?
Apr 30 01:28:45 <GeneralAntilles> No, it hasn't been announced.
Apr 30 01:28:47 <GeneralAntilles> Summer is my bet.
Apr 30 01:28:57 <Shadow__X> hmm thats good
Apr 30 01:29:31 <aspect> GeneralAntilles: worked like a charm this time; thanks :)
Apr 30 01:29:44 <GeneralAntilles> aspect, sometimes it flubs up weirdly.
Apr 30 01:36:49 <GeneralAntilles> Evening, konttori_.
Apr 30 01:37:06 <konttori_> evening - cannot sleep
Apr 30 01:37:08 <konttori_> ;(
Apr 30 01:37:44 <GeneralAntilles> We may just be boring enough to put you to sleep. :P
Apr 30 01:37:51 <andre__> GeneralAntilles, theres a typo in the default assignee for Talk
Apr 30 01:38:39 <GeneralAntilles> andre__, oops. Reggie's got 3 accounts.
Apr 30 01:38:42 <GeneralAntilles> Picked the wrong one, I guess.
Apr 30 01:39:43 <andre__> sounds like i should merge them :-)
Apr 30 01:40:23 <andre__> ah. thanks
Apr 30 01:42:17 <andre__> merged.
Apr 30 01:42:52 <GeneralAntilles> Thanks
Apr 30 02:27:09 <AndrewFBlack> Hello
Apr 30 02:27:34 <GeneralAntilles> Hey, AndrewFBlack.
Apr 30 02:27:51 <GeneralAntilles> So when's the new Minimalistic coming to appease the angry masses?
Apr 30 02:28:27 <AndrewFBlack> Well I'm still on hold on coding until Reggie sends me the most upto Date copy I lost mine and one on testing site is old
Apr 30 02:28:39 <GeneralAntilles> Oops
Apr 30 02:28:47 <AndrewFBlack> Also wasn't sure if we were keeping it until now
Apr 30 02:29:53 <AndrewFBlack> but it shouldn't take long to do once I start mainly just color changes besides new header and I think I need a better menu option
Apr 30 02:31:20 <AndrewFBlack> I'm not sure what I did but Reggie hasn't replyed to my in email or PM or on Forums in a long time
Apr 30 02:31:20 <GeneralAntilles> Kill the rounded edges that bring Tear to tears.
Apr 30 02:31:35 <GeneralAntilles> How long since you last showered? :P
Apr 30 02:32:11 <AndrewFBlack> lol I guess to long
Apr 30 02:32:21 <GeneralAntilles> That might explain it. ;)
Apr 30 02:32:42 <AndrewFBlack> You know I don't have time for that kind of stuff
Apr 30 02:33:36 <AndrewFBlack> Yeah I didn't even know it had rounded edges for the longest since the default browser doesn't show them and it it s modified iphone theme
Apr 30 02:33:48 <GeneralAntilles> Nice
Apr 30 02:36:34 <luke-jr_> anyone tried gpsd 3.28?
Apr 30 02:36:44 <luke-jr_> 2.38*
Apr 30 02:36:58 <AndrewFBlack> whats a good way to do the menu?  A static menu might take up to much room but alot of people had complaints about the pull down one
Apr 30 02:37:28 <GeneralAntilles> The pulldown is just straight CSS?
Apr 30 02:37:49 <AndrewFBlack> I think the one I was using I did in Javascript
Apr 30 02:38:04 <AndrewFBlack> I remember the 770s had trouble with it
Apr 30 02:38:16 <GeneralAntilles> Wonder if straight CSS would help.
Apr 30 02:44:22 <AndrewFBlack> not sure but I kinda feel drop down is best option
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