**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Apr 30 02:59:57 2009
Apr 30 03:01:59 <GeneralAntilles> Actually, I wonder if the slow CPU in  the N97 might come with a cheaper price tag.
Apr 30 03:02:40 <GeneralAntilles> If it starts for under $500. . . .
Apr 30 03:03:57 * man_in_pda waves
Apr 30 03:07:11 <man_in_pda> so n810 has a gps
Apr 30 03:07:34 <locutus> i've never had the onboard GPS do anything usefull
Apr 30 03:07:54 <man_in_pda> me neither :D
Apr 30 03:09:38 <locutus> i use a external bluetooth GPS
Apr 30 03:09:38 <man_in_pda> just wondering if there was something like an alternative app that might be better
Apr 30 03:09:40 <locutus> which works perfectly
Apr 30 03:10:04 <locutus> anyway, bedtime (:
Apr 30 03:10:14 <man_in_pda> heh
Apr 30 03:11:08 <man_in_pda> well, i figure since it has a gps, trying to get use out of it is not a terrible idea
Apr 30 03:11:19 <luke-jr_> man_in_pda: the GPS5300 in the N810 requires a blob
Apr 30 03:11:36 <luke-jr_> I hacked it to work in Gentoo, but it has a really long TTFF still
Apr 30 03:11:44 <man_in_pda> sure
Apr 30 03:12:08 <man_in_pda> i'm not on mer :P
Apr 30 03:13:19 <luke-jr_> who said anything about mer?
Apr 30 03:13:54 <man_in_pda> who said anything about gentoo? :P
Apr 30 03:14:53 <luke-jr_> me
Apr 30 03:15:23 <GAN800> man_in_pda, Maemo Mapper?
Apr 30 03:17:00 <luke-jr_> is there a safe way to try a new kernel?
Apr 30 03:17:35 <GeneralAntilles> ~flasher
Apr 30 03:17:36 <infobot> extra, extra, read all about it, flasher is http://wiki.maemo.org/Flasher
Apr 30 03:19:24 <luke-jr_> GeneralAntilles: without infecting my main machine with proprietary blobs
Apr 30 03:23:34 <man_in_pda> "Error connecting to GPSD server" :|
Apr 30 03:23:37 <GeneralAntilles> luke-jr_, if you don't want answer, then don't ask questions.
Apr 30 03:24:02 <luke-jr_> I'd welcome an answer.
Apr 30 03:24:10 <luke-jr_> runnign a blob is inherently not safe, so not an answer ;)
Apr 30 03:25:25 <AndrewFBlack> ok on new Minimal Theme should I make header a small version of the maemo.org header and make that the only image or should I keep plain text as before?
Apr 30 03:25:26 <man_in_pda> so is there a way to flash the kernel WITH infecting the machine with proprietory blobs? ;)
Apr 30 03:25:33 <GeneralAntilles> ~flash
Apr 30 03:25:33 <infobot> it has been said that flash is For an EEPROM (flash) programmer that can handle any chip except +12V ones, go to http://fly.hiwaay.net/~jfrohwei/circuit/, or a proprietary format for online animations by Macromedia. However "GPL Flash" has now been released @ http://www.swift-tools.com/Flash/, or wget http://www.macromedia.com/software/flashplayer/special/beta/installers/linux/plugin/install_flash_player_6_linux.tar.gz, or ap
Apr 30 03:25:35 <GeneralAntilles> er
Apr 30 03:25:36 <GeneralAntilles> ~flasher
Apr 30 03:25:37 <infobot> flasher is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/Flasher
Apr 30 03:25:45 <man_in_pda> :D
Apr 30 03:25:59 <GeneralAntilles> AndrewFBlack, honestly, I wouldn't change any more than the colorscheme from the old one.
Apr 30 03:26:00 <luke-jr_> sigh
Apr 30 03:26:24 <AndrewFBlack> well I want a new menu one with atleast all the links there
Apr 30 03:26:40 <AndrewFBlack> that way you can see subscribed threads and some other stuff
Apr 30 03:26:45 <GeneralAntilles> luke-jr_, do me a favor and precursor every question you ask in the future with "I don't actually want an answer, so don't waste your time"
Apr 30 03:27:03 <GeneralAntilles> AndrewFBlack, can we get AJAX Thanks! and all that in there?
Apr 30 03:27:13 <luke-jr_> GeneralAntilles: you could just say 'no' instead of giving me a "solution" that doesn't answer what I asked
Apr 30 03:27:52 <GeneralAntilles> It precisely answers what you asked, but you weren't specific enough with your silly "requirements", and so wasted my time.
Apr 30 03:29:01 <AndrewFBlack> I'll give it a try but I don't know if I can ge that working GA, hey can you get on Reggie about getting me the updated theme, btw i"m going to make a darker color lower half one also maybe we can have 2 minimal ones to make everyone happy
Apr 30 03:29:21 <GeneralAntilles> OK
Apr 30 03:29:43 <AndrewFBlack> one I'm playing with now is the Minimalist theme 1.0 that has several problems
Apr 30 03:31:11 <AndrewFBlack> What do you think of just having the menu spread out beside the Forums Home link.  I should beable to fit about 7 or 8 links in there
Apr 30 03:31:26 <GeneralAntilles> It'd probably work fine.
Apr 30 03:33:52 <man_in_pda> yay, i THINK i have gps working :P
Apr 30 03:34:18 <luke-jr_> me too
Apr 30 03:34:30 <luke-jr_> ~15 min TTFF I think
Apr 30 03:34:57 <luke-jr_> I'm pulling 2.6.29-omap1 now
Apr 30 03:35:07 <luke-jr_> hopefully by the time it's built I'll have figured out a reliable method of testing
Apr 30 03:35:12 <luke-jr_> safe/reliable*
Apr 30 03:35:33 <luke-jr_> might have to settle for GeneralAntilles's reliable-but-not-quite-safe method tho :<
Apr 30 03:36:31 <man_in_pda> TTFF?
Apr 30 03:38:16 <luke-jr_> ugh, gpsd uses 7% CPU just doing nothing? :/
Apr 30 03:38:18 <luke-jr_> man_in_pda: Time To First Fix
Apr 30 03:38:27 <man_in_pda> ah
Apr 30 03:38:40 <luke-jr_> eg, 15 mins until it knows where I am
Apr 30 03:39:20 <man_in_pda> yah
Apr 30 03:39:39 <man_in_pda> well, i have a blue dot on my house now :D
Apr 30 03:39:46 <luke-jr_> but that's without A-GPS or such
Apr 30 03:39:49 <luke-jr_> so not bad IMO
Apr 30 03:40:44 <man_in_pda> without what now?
Apr 30 03:41:10 <luke-jr_> Assisted GPS
Apr 30 03:41:21 <luke-jr_> if you know where you are in general, that helps
Apr 30 03:41:28 <luke-jr_> or if you have a network connection, that helps too
Apr 30 03:41:34 <luke-jr_> but my Gentoo hack doesn't support either of those
Apr 30 03:41:45 <luke-jr_> network connection + general location could do a fix in 30 seconds
Apr 30 03:41:59 <man_in_pda> hmm ok
Apr 30 03:53:50 <man_in_pda> so, openstreetmap doesn't seem to have much detail in my area :)
Apr 30 03:54:26 <GeneralAntilles> Time to get mapping.
Apr 30 03:54:45 <man_in_pda> :P
Apr 30 03:56:56 <luke-jr_> don't forget to map the APs too
Apr 30 03:57:03 <luke-jr_> do I want SLAB or SLUB? :p
Apr 30 03:58:07 <man_in_pda> SLUB
Apr 30 04:00:04 <luke-jr_> man_in_pda: really? :x
Apr 30 04:00:09 * luke-jr_ ponders how to Undo in oldconfig
Apr 30 04:00:13 <man_in_pda> yah
Apr 30 04:01:06 <man_in_pda> i don't think it makes a massive difference
Apr 30 04:01:16 <luke-jr_> do we benefit from High Resolution Timer Support ?
Apr 30 04:01:34 <man_in_pda> probably
Apr 30 04:07:41 <aspect> what's the status of a2dp support? I'm looking in the forums and getting conflicting reports
Apr 30 04:08:32 <GeneralAntilles> aspect, reasonably 3rd-party support is available.
Apr 30 04:12:40 <Shadow__X> when i use the internal media player it sounds louder than xmms is that normal
Apr 30 04:12:47 <Shadow__X> or is there a way to get it louder
Apr 30 04:13:48 <aspect> GeneralAntilles: from what package or method?
Apr 30 04:14:08 <GeneralAntilles> Dunno, I think johnx's method is best, though.
Apr 30 04:16:50 <aspect> thanks, I'll give it a shot
Apr 30 04:23:20 <GeneralAntilles> 'morning, mobile Stskeeps.
Apr 30 04:55:59 <RST38h> moo all
Apr 30 04:59:32 <Stskeeps> morn
Apr 30 05:16:53 <Macer> hello
Apr 30 05:20:50 <RST38h> Ah, this is priceless: http://exiledonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/aig-gawker-memo1.jpg
Apr 30 05:23:12 <Macer> hm
Apr 30 05:23:18 <Macer> why are people so scared over a flu?
Apr 30 05:23:44 <RST38h> People need something well defined to be scared off, that is why
Apr 30 05:24:02 <Macer> they're acting like it is airborne aids
Apr 30 05:24:08 <Macer> hiv or something
Apr 30 05:24:15 <Macer> it's the flu. take some nyquil and call off from work
Apr 30 05:24:33 <RST38h> Well, you can expect 1-5mil fatalities worldwide from this particular strain
Apr 30 05:24:45 <Macer> RST38h: i agree. news must be in short supply. news networks have to hype shit up
Apr 30 05:24:49 <RST38h> That is based on our previous encounters with similar virii
Apr 30 05:24:50 <Macer> RST38h: maybe in 3rd world countries
Apr 30 05:24:56 <Macer> but who cares
Apr 30 05:24:57 <RST38h> Macer: Not really
Apr 30 05:24:58 <GeneralAntilles> Macer, the flu can be a little more dangerous than that. ;)
Apr 30 05:25:06 <Macer> we don't care that hiv is wiping out whole african civilizations
Apr 30 05:25:14 <Macer> there was 1 fatality from 1 mexican infant in the US
Apr 30 05:25:18 <RST38h> What civlizations? =)
Apr 30 05:25:37 <Macer> news is reporting that there have been 150 deaths in mexico.. like they have the best hospitals in teh world or something
Apr 30 05:25:54 <RST38h> That is not the hospital thing
Apr 30 05:25:58 <Macer> like it isn't normal for mexicans to NOT get good medical attention
Apr 30 05:26:23 <RST38h> Apparently, direct infection from the swine is more dangerous because H1N1 becomes less virulent with each human-human transmission
Apr 30 05:26:52 <RST38h> Also, the first outbreak always has more casualties because the medical response is not there yet
Apr 30 05:27:07 <LinuxCode> Macer, I think you never had the proper flu
Apr 30 05:27:15 <LinuxCode> if you had, you wouldnt talk like that
Apr 30 05:27:17 <LinuxCode> ;-p
Apr 30 05:27:36 <RST38h> The real fun begins when your infant kid has proper flu
Apr 30 05:27:39 <Macer> LinuxCode: sure i have
Apr 30 05:27:48 <LinuxCode> Macer, proper flu ?
Apr 30 05:27:49 <RST38h> THAT is when you understand
Apr 30 05:27:56 <Macer> it sucks.. makes you feel horrible.. but like i said. the media is playing it out to be airborne aids
Apr 30 05:27:59 <LinuxCode> Im not talking a cold, ...
Apr 30 05:28:12 <LinuxCode> ok you sound like you just had a cold
Apr 30 05:28:39 <LinuxCode> flu = must stay home for a few weeks in bed
Apr 30 05:28:52 <Macer> LinuxCode: no way. a few weeks is pushing it
Apr 30 05:28:55 <Macer> heh
Apr 30 05:29:04 <LinuxCode> then you didnt have the flu!
Apr 30 05:29:08 <Macer> it's the flu. not chicken pox
Apr 30 05:29:21 <LinuxCode> that confirmed it
Apr 30 05:29:27 <LinuxCode> you never had the flu
Apr 30 05:29:42 <Macer> well. most people don't go to the doctor when they have flu like symptoms
Apr 30 05:29:52 <LinuxCode> thats because they have got a cold
Apr 30 05:29:56 <Macer> they figure "oh it's just a cold or the flu" and drink nyquil and call off work
Apr 30 05:30:14 <LinuxCode> most people think they have the flu and run to the doctors
Apr 30 05:30:21 <LinuxCode> fact is, 90% of people havent
Apr 30 05:30:27 <Macer> why? a doctor can't do much. it's a virus
Apr 30 05:30:40 <RST38h> well not entirely
Apr 30 05:31:03 <LinuxCode> speak to a GP, they will tell you how many people say they have the flu and havent
Apr 30 05:31:07 <RST38h> First of all the doctor can deal with followup infections
Apr 30 05:31:35 <Macer> i suppose if the loss of immunity fighting the flu causes bacterial infection
Apr 30 05:31:48 <RST38h> That sore throat you have is not from the virus, it is from normal bacteria making use of your immune system being busy with the vorus
Apr 30 05:31:48 <LinuxCode> flu can cause death
Apr 30 05:32:15 <RST38h> Secondly, there ARE some drugs that can fight flu, in a limited way
Apr 30 05:32:19 <Macer> seriously. how many confirmed cases of flue death have there been in healthy people?
Apr 30 05:32:27 <LinuxCode> thats why vulnerable people should be vaccinated
Apr 30 05:32:38 * RST38h wishes that morning post from an epidemiologist were in English, so he could just quote it
Apr 30 05:32:40 <Macer> *flu
Apr 30 05:32:54 <RST38h> Macer: Last time - 1-2mil
Apr 30 05:33:00 <LinuxCode> Macer, you would have to check the Lancet for that
Apr 30 05:33:00 <Macer> healthy people??
Apr 30 05:33:06 <RST38h> Macer: Mostly kids and older guys
Apr 30 05:33:13 <Macer> in a developed country?
Apr 30 05:33:16 <Macer> 1 - 2 million?
Apr 30 05:33:21 <RST38h> Macer: Worldwide. You want statistics?
Apr 30 05:33:34 <Macer> worldwide includes 3rd world countries with poor medical care
Apr 30 05:33:40 <Macer> i want developed country statistics :)
Apr 30 05:33:44 <RST38h> Ok, let me give you stats
Apr 30 05:33:59 <LinuxCode> Macer, around 1920 there was a flu outbreak in the UK
Apr 30 05:34:06 <LinuxCode> it killed hordes of people
Apr 30 05:34:11 <Macer> US, UK, I would say china but that's just a 3rd world country with a veil over it
Apr 30 05:34:14 <LinuxCode> because the government didnt act fast enough
Apr 30 05:34:32 <Macer> ok.. 1920s is like .. black plague era
Apr 30 05:34:42 <LinuxCode> Macer, and the way you talk, you def did not have the flu
Apr 30 05:34:48 <Macer> something a little more modern :) like between 1950-2009
Apr 30 05:35:15 <LinuxCode> fact is, if you dont try and contain it, it can kill 10s of thousands
Apr 30 05:35:28 <Macer> probably unhealthy people
Apr 30 05:35:29 <RST38h> Macer: Please read this: http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/EID/vol12no01/05-0965.htm
Apr 30 05:35:42 <Macer> .gov ;) awesome
Apr 30 05:35:46 <RST38h> This is the last outbreak of H1N1. In New Jersey, USA. On a fucking military base.
Apr 30 05:37:16 * LinuxCode finds it amuzing how loads of Americans automagically dismiss everything if it comes from a government source
Apr 30 05:37:44 <LinuxCode> I think you need to travel a bit more and watch less movies
Apr 30 05:37:45 * doc|work finds it amusing how you spelt amusing with a z, yet laugh at us for far more reasonable things
Apr 30 05:38:05 <LinuxCode> doc|work, you can spell amusing/amuzing
Apr 30 05:38:50 <RST38h> amuzing: 57400
Apr 30 05:38:59 <RST38h> amusing: 16200000
Apr 30 05:39:04 <RST38h> I do not think so, LinuxCode.
Apr 30 05:39:25 <doc|work> LinuxCode: not using a real language you can't
Apr 30 05:39:47 <LinuxCode> ohh well I was wrong
Apr 30 05:39:49 <RST38h> Anyways, the link above is a scientific white paper, there is nothing in it to be distrustful about
Apr 30 05:40:14 <Macer> LinuxCode: i wasn't
Apr 30 05:40:16 <LinuxCode> thas what you get for growing up abroad
Apr 30 05:40:19 <Macer> i was glad it was a .gov
Apr 30 05:40:20 <StsN801> science, pfft ;)
Apr 30 05:40:22 <LinuxCode> thats*
Apr 30 05:40:26 <Macer> i was expecting "Bob's flu page"
Apr 30 05:40:37 <Macer> but you gave me a .gov source :) that's a good thing
Apr 30 05:40:45 <LinuxCode> Macer, it was a general comment I made
Apr 30 05:41:06 <Macer> 1 person died out of 13. a very small outbreak and there could have been contributing factors towards his death
Apr 30 05:41:30 <Macer> he could have had an unknown medical condition that would have allowed the flu to affect him more so than normal
Apr 30 05:41:48 <RST38h> Oh he could
Apr 30 05:41:53 <LinuxCode> Macer, one day you will have the proper flu, and you will think back, and think, now I know what proper flu is like
Apr 30 05:42:07 <RST38h> The spanish flu (also H1N1) took 50mil though
Apr 30 05:42:15 <Macer> plus the army is full of pussies. they were probably trying to get out of training hah
Apr 30 05:42:31 <LinuxCode> by dying ?
Apr 30 05:42:33 <LinuxCode> good plan
Apr 30 05:42:37 <Macer> only 1 died :)
Apr 30 05:43:14 <Macer> he was probably the one feeling the worse. the rest were probably overacting so they didn't have to do stuff. the army is horrible for that sort of shit
Apr 30 05:43:24 <RST38h> 1/13 is 7.5%
Apr 30 05:44:00 <RST38h> Man, I don't think we should overreact over H1N1, but you are WAY too dismissive about it
Apr 30 05:50:00 <Macer> he
Apr 30 05:50:02 <Macer> h
Apr 30 05:50:23 <Macer> fear is for the weak who choose to not live life
Apr 30 05:50:55 <Macer> you may catch the flu and you may take a meteorite to the head
Apr 30 05:50:58 <LinuxCode> Macer, fear keeps soldiers alive
Apr 30 05:51:11 <Macer> different situation
Apr 30 05:51:48 <Macer> and there is a fine line between fear and cowardess. bravery is pushing through fear
Apr 30 05:52:03 <RST38h> It is not like you should be afraid
Apr 30 05:52:23 <Macer> i honestly think that the media is hyping it up just to have something to report
Apr 30 05:52:24 <RST38h> Just keep it in mind that if you get it, you better take it seriously
Apr 30 05:52:28 <Macer> :)
Apr 30 05:53:05 <Macer> like when another hurricane hit new orleans and they had cameras fixed pointing at the dike walls... somewhere there was a reporter begging God for it to break again
Apr 30 05:53:15 <RST38h> On the other hand, the risks are a bit lower in the US - population densities are low and the place is pretty sterile to begin with
Apr 30 05:53:35 <RST38h> Macer: Oh it will, just give it time...
Apr 30 05:53:50 <Macer> haha.. i don't know. i'm in chicago and it's kind of dense
Apr 30 05:54:06 <Macer> as are most metropolitan areas
Apr 30 05:54:31 <Macer> only the farmers will live. whom, ironically enough, raise pigs.
Apr 30 05:55:00 <RST38h> Macer: that is not dense enough
Apr 30 05:55:51 <RST38h> Macer: this is dense: http://visualrian.com/storage/PreviewWM/3405/24/340524.jpg
Apr 30 05:56:23 <Macer> that's a normal subway
Apr 30 05:56:33 <Macer> during rush hour
Apr 30 05:56:39 <Macer> nyc is even worse
Apr 30 05:56:47 <RST38h> Macer: this does not change from 6:00 to 21:00
Apr 30 05:57:00 <RST38h> Macer: And NYC is better, actually
Apr 30 05:57:17 <Macer> heh... well.. i suppose that is a valid point but how much contact would you need?
Apr 30 05:57:28 <RST38h> Macer: What you see on that photo is enough
Apr 30 05:57:39 <Macer> it's more than enough
Apr 30 05:57:53 * LinuxCode sneezes
Apr 30 05:59:26 <RST38h> Macer: And speaking of farmers, http://exiledonline.com/war-nerd-apocalypse-never/all/1/
Apr 30 05:59:32 <RST38h> off-to-work.
Apr 30 06:58:08 <LiraNuna> can maemo read Ext2?
Apr 30 06:58:46 <qwerty12> Yes, just insert the right modules from /mnt/initfs/lib/modules/current
Apr 30 07:02:13 <TTilus> trying to flash my n810 as instructed on http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware, see pastie http://pastie.org/463561 flasher prints that last line and exits immediately when i turn on my tablet "swap" pressed down (as instructed)
Apr 30 07:02:58 <kulve> what's rx-71?
Apr 30 07:03:02 <LiraNuna> really stupid question here, how do I differ from 'chinook' and 'diablo'
Apr 30 07:03:21 <qwerty12> TTilus: You're missing an -F and it says -F on that page
Apr 30 07:03:55 <TTilus> qwerty12: it says -f there
Apr 30 07:04:07 <qwerty12> Yes, "-f" not "-F"
Apr 30 07:04:15 <TTilus> qwerty12: and im not missing it
Apr 30 07:04:21 <qwerty12> -f = flashing. -F = FIASCO
Apr 30 07:04:26 <timeless_mbp> kulve: a random series of letters and numbers :)
Apr 30 07:04:36 <qwerty12> TTilus: Then your pastebin is lying to me
Apr 30 07:04:46 <kulve> timeless_mbp: there's a kernel config for that random series of letters and numbers..
Apr 30 07:04:56 <TTilus> qwerty12: ooh!  now i see, the -F _before_ the image name
Apr 30 07:04:58 <TTilus> ;)
Apr 30 07:04:59 <GeneralAntilles> kulve, we don't really know.
Apr 30 07:05:09 <TTilus> *blush*
Apr 30 07:05:09 <timeless_mbp> kulve: we(nokia) haven't announced what it is
Apr 30 07:05:13 <timeless_mbp> or if it will be anything
Apr 30 07:05:14 <TTilus> damn im stupid
Apr 30 07:05:23 <GeneralAntilles> kulve, there's a keymap in there that's about as much as we have.
Apr 30 07:05:24 <timeless_mbp> so, it's a random series of letters and numbers... :)
Apr 30 07:05:44 <GeneralAntilles> kulve, HIG mentions fixed and sliding hardware keyboards, so. . . .
Apr 30 07:05:59 <timeless_mbp> GeneralAntilles: gah, which reminds me, i need to poke someone about that
Apr 30 07:06:09 <timeless_mbp> since i believe the HIG contradicts itself
Apr 30 07:06:17 <TTilus> qwerty12: now its going in, thaks alot!
Apr 30 07:07:04 <TTilus> cool bg image
Apr 30 07:07:55 <kulve> didn't find any interesting differencies in rx5/71 kernel configs. And the 71 config supports 51 as well
Apr 30 07:08:27 <GeneralAntilles> kulve, at this point I think we're stuck waiting for an announcement.
Apr 30 07:08:33 <LiraNuna> how do I differ from 'chinook' and 'diablo'
Apr 30 07:09:18 <kulve> GeneralAntilles: looks like it.
Apr 30 07:09:32 <kulve> GeneralAntilles: I was trying to run the beta on beagle but the old kernel doesn't like the new kernel modules..
Apr 30 07:09:48 <kulve> maybe compiling the kernel helps..
Apr 30 07:11:54 <z4chh> there a simple way to remove the spell bar that pops up when typing on n810?
Apr 30 07:11:56 <kulve> actually the rx51 defconfig supports 71 as well
Apr 30 07:12:13 <z4chh> for good..
Apr 30 07:13:06 <ShadowJK> temporarily with shift-space
Apr 30 07:13:19 <Shadow__X> anyone use xchat on maemo?
Apr 30 07:13:24 * ShadowJK does
Apr 30 07:13:39 <Shadow__X> ShadowJK, how do you get auto tab to work
Apr 30 07:13:48 <ShadowJK> what is auto tab?
Apr 30 07:14:03 <Shadow__X> i mean auto nick complete sorry
Apr 30 07:14:14 <ShadowJK> What is auto nick complete?
Apr 30 07:14:39 <Shadow__X> predictive nick complete
Apr 30 07:15:46 <z4chh> Shadow__X, in preferences?
Apr 30 07:15:55 <Shadow__X> yes
Apr 30 07:20:20 <timeless_mbp> z4chh: open control panel
Apr 30 07:20:24 <timeless_mbp> text input thingy
Apr 30 07:20:41 <timeless_mbp> one of the checkboxes deals with it iirc
Apr 30 07:20:49 * timeless_mbp would have to look for an n810
Apr 30 07:20:54 * timeless_mbp stares at a pair of n800s
Apr 30 07:21:20 <pupnik> "are those for ME?>"
Apr 30 07:22:19 <Shadow__X> timeless, it n800 might support it
Apr 30 07:22:57 <timeless_mbp> Shadow__X: the hardware keyboard behavior is /slightly/ different from the onscreen keyboard
Apr 30 07:23:23 <Shadow__X> hmm
Apr 30 07:23:39 <Shadow__X> i really hope the next n series packs an updated punch
Apr 30 07:23:55 <Shadow__X> one thing i cant do is stream shows now hopefully then i can
Apr 30 07:25:35 <GeneralAntilles> Shadow__X, stream from what?
Apr 30 07:25:40 <Shadow__X> my fs
Apr 30 07:25:47 <GeneralAntilles> Um?
Apr 30 07:25:54 <Shadow__X> my fileserver
Apr 30 07:25:59 <GeneralAntilles> Ah, OK.
Apr 30 07:26:05 <GeneralAntilles> Well, um, streaming works just fine, actually.
Apr 30 07:26:16 <GeneralAntilles> Unless they're big encodings.
Apr 30 07:26:20 <Shadow__X> :)
Apr 30 07:26:25 <GeneralAntilles> In which case you want mediaserv.
Apr 30 07:26:32 <Shadow__X> mediaserv?
Apr 30 07:26:46 <GeneralAntilles> https://bugs.maemo.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=Website&component=Talk
Apr 30 07:26:52 <GeneralAntilles> http://mediautils.garage.maemo.org/mediaserv.html
Apr 30 07:26:55 <GeneralAntilles> Slow damn clipboard.
Apr 30 07:27:19 <Shadow__X> its ok i have a freaking slow hd
Apr 30 07:28:34 <Shadow__X> GeneralAntilles, i might run around yelling in excitement
Apr 30 07:28:37 <Shadow__X> i just might
Apr 30 07:28:42 <Shadow__X> depending on how well it works
Apr 30 07:29:01 <GeneralAntilles> It works fine assuming your fileserver has the horsepower to do on-the-fly conversion.
Apr 30 07:29:17 <Shadow__X> c2d 8400
Apr 30 07:29:21 <Shadow__X> i think i can do it
Apr 30 07:29:38 <Shadow__X> so do i install mediaserv or tablet encode
Apr 30 07:29:46 <GeneralAntilles> Both
Apr 30 07:29:53 <GeneralAntilles> Read the install instructions.
Apr 30 07:30:11 <timeless_mbp> GeneralAntilles: the video in that cast is amazing
Apr 30 07:32:17 <GeneralAntilles> timeless_mbp, is it?
Apr 30 07:32:26 <timeless_mbp> yes
Apr 30 07:32:54 <GeneralAntilles> OS2007
Apr 30 07:32:58 <GeneralAntilles> I miss Plankton.
Apr 30 07:33:04 <timeless_mbp> it still works, no?
Apr 30 07:33:29 <GeneralAntilles> Not on OS2008, no.
Apr 30 07:33:36 <GeneralAntilles> Well, not in its OS2007 form anyway.
Apr 30 07:33:47 <ShadowJK> but OS2007 still works? ;)
Apr 30 07:34:01 <GeneralAntilles> OS2007 never really "worked"
Apr 30 07:34:33 <Shadow__X> so whats holding the n810 from streaming videos without transcoding gpu?
Apr 30 07:34:50 <timeless_mbp> ?
Apr 30 07:34:56 <GeneralAntilles> Giant ass screen, weak ass LCD controller and lack of optimizations.
Apr 30 07:35:09 <ShadowJK> eh, not enough CPU
Apr 30 07:35:47 <GeneralAntilles> Mostly when combined with the LCD and lack of optimizations.
Apr 30 07:36:15 <ShadowJK> WLAN eats huge amounts of CPU, though I seem to remember someone was working on that
Apr 30 07:36:25 <GeneralAntilles> Generally crap driver.
Apr 30 07:36:41 <Shadow__X> ah ok
Apr 30 07:36:53 <Shadow__X> hmm so should most of this stuff get worked out in the next one?
Apr 30 07:36:59 <GeneralAntilles> Yes.
Apr 30 07:37:01 <Shadow__X> because i love it even with its limitations
Apr 30 07:37:04 <ShadowJK> I've never so far encountered wlan with uncrap drivers, actually :)
Apr 30 07:37:05 <GeneralAntilles> The DSP will be used for video decoding
Apr 30 07:37:11 <GeneralAntilles> There's no crappy LCD controller in the way.
Apr 30 07:37:18 <GeneralAntilles> Should do D1 h.264 without issue.
Apr 30 07:37:26 <Shadow__X> wow nice
Apr 30 07:37:53 <Shadow__X> hmm might compete with nvidia tegra
Apr 30 07:38:00 <GeneralAntilles> Pff
Apr 30 07:38:05 <GeneralAntilles> It'll blow the Tegra out of the water.
Apr 30 07:38:09 <ShadowJK> does tegra even exist
Apr 30 07:38:10 <GeneralAntilles> The Tegra is an old ARM11
Apr 30 07:38:11 <LiraNuna> <ShadowJK> WLAN eats huge amounts of CPU // no controller on that?
Apr 30 07:38:15 <GeneralAntilles> Well, and that too.
Apr 30 07:38:22 <Shadow__X> http://www.nvidia.com/page/handheld.html
Apr 30 07:38:34 <GeneralAntilles> Shadow__X, prototypes don't count.
Apr 30 07:38:43 <GeneralAntilles> OMAP3 has been shipping in devices since the middle of 2008.
Apr 30 07:38:48 <GeneralAntilles> Tegra hasn't shipped device one.
Apr 30 07:38:59 <Shadow__X> hmm i prefer a n series by far
Apr 30 07:39:00 <GeneralAntilles> Anyway, Tegra's only advantage is its  GPU and video decoding.
Apr 30 07:39:11 <GeneralAntilles> But it's only marginally better than OMAP3.
Apr 30 07:39:17 <Shadow__X> but i wouldnt mind watching streaming hd in a device like ours
Apr 30 07:39:20 <GeneralAntilles> and OMAP3's CPU kick's the Tegra's CPU's ass.
Apr 30 07:39:32 <GeneralAntilles> s/kick's/kicks/
Apr 30 07:39:33 <infobot> GeneralAntilles meant: and OMAP3's CPU kicks the Tegra's CPU's ass.
Apr 30 07:39:45 <Shadow__X> heh
Apr 30 07:39:47 <Shadow__X> i know
Apr 30 07:39:54 <GeneralAntilles> So while the Tegra might do HD video playback well, it will be awful browsing Facebook.
Apr 30 07:40:26 <Shadow__X> hmm right
Apr 30 07:40:30 <Shadow__X> i dont facebook
Apr 30 07:40:31 <Shadow__X> :)
Apr 30 07:40:40 <Shadow__X> browsing /.
Apr 30 07:40:44 <GeneralAntilles> That, too.
Apr 30 07:40:49 <Shadow__X> takes a bit to load on n810
Apr 30 07:40:55 <GeneralAntilles> They both seem to have about as much AJAX crap on them these days. ;)
Apr 30 07:41:03 <ShadowJK> eh, /. makes my Q9550 feel slow
Apr 30 07:41:10 <Shadow__X> heh
Apr 30 07:41:19 <Shadow__X> come on ShadowJK
Apr 30 07:41:23 <Shadow__X> thats a bit much
Apr 30 07:41:28 <Shadow__X> get a 9750
Apr 30 07:41:32 <GeneralAntilles> Slashdot is so bloated these days.
Apr 30 07:41:33 <Shadow__X> what where you thinking
Apr 30 07:41:44 <Shadow__X> you knew /. was going to overload you
Apr 30 07:41:59 <ShadowJK> the price started rising exponentially after 9550 :)
Apr 30 07:47:30 <Shadow__X> hmm
Apr 30 07:52:27 <Shadow__X> GeneralAntilles, i am running mediaserv but on the tablet i goto the site and it says media serv not found
Apr 30 07:53:14 <GeneralAntilles> GeneralAntilles, correct port, configuration, whatever?
Apr 30 07:53:18 <GeneralAntilles> No firewall in the way?
Apr 30 07:53:46 <Shadow__X> no firewall correct port config seems right unless i have to get rid of quotes
Apr 30 07:58:06 <RST38h> Hmmm... Modest has got a plugin system
Apr 30 08:00:27 <GeneralAntilles> RST38h, you see yerga's screencast?
Apr 30 08:01:59 <Shadow__X> GeneralAntilles, have you used mediaserv before
Apr 30 08:02:10 <GeneralAntilles> Shadow__X, since forever.
Apr 30 08:02:31 <Shadow__X> could you help me get it working i keep getting not found
Apr 30 08:02:43 <GeneralAntilles> You sure it's running?
Apr 30 08:02:47 <Shadow__X> it runs on the right ip right port
Apr 30 08:02:59 <Shadow__X> i can put it in my browser and goto the page
Apr 30 08:03:11 <Shadow__X> the page then says mediaserv then below that it says not foudn
Apr 30 08:03:12 <RST38h> General: Yea
Apr 30 08:03:31 <GeneralAntilles> Um, did you set the data folder correctly, maybe?
Apr 30 08:03:49 <Shadow__X> yeah /media/videos
Apr 30 08:04:08 <Shadow__X> basedir = '/media/videos'
Apr 30 08:04:10 <Shadow__X> right
Apr 30 08:04:43 <Shadow__X> also can it read within folders or does it need all the videos dumped in a main folder
Apr 30 08:04:43 <GeneralAntilles> Shadow__X, dunno, then, Jaffa might be able to help when he wakes up.
Apr 30 08:05:06 <GeneralAntilles> It can read subfolders.
Apr 30 08:05:27 <Shadow__X> wait hmm
Apr 30 08:05:31 <Shadow__X> i think i got it
Apr 30 08:06:11 <Shadow__X> ok so i am running it from the folder i extracted it to and the config file is within resources and when i changed the port on there and started it again it didnt change
Apr 30 08:06:30 <GeneralAntilles> Did you run the install script?
Apr 30 08:06:38 <GeneralAntilles> Config is in ~/
Apr 30 08:07:02 <Shadow__X> heh whoopsie i have just been running mediaserv
Apr 30 08:07:04 <Shadow__X> lol
Apr 30 08:07:07 <Shadow__X> fail on my part
Apr 30 08:12:19 <Shadow__X> where do you run mediaserv from
Apr 30 08:12:58 <Shadow__X> install.sh doesnt copy mediaserv into .mediaserv
Apr 30 08:13:28 <GeneralAntilles>  /usr/local/bin is a good option.
Apr 30 08:15:02 <LiraNuna> ouch
Apr 30 08:15:36 <Shadow__X> ?
Apr 30 08:15:40 <LiraNuna> seems like deblet recognizes N810 WiMAX as "48" instead of n8x0
Apr 30 08:15:44 <LiraNuna> n810*
Apr 30 08:17:01 <LiraNuna> so I get an inf loop of it trying to retrieve teblet-hw-rx-48-nonfree
Apr 30 08:18:34 <Stskeeps> ah
Apr 30 08:18:44 <Stskeeps> LiraNuna: well i dont think wimax was out when i made that
Apr 30 08:18:44 <LiraNuna> "rx-48" is N810 WiMAX...
Apr 30 08:18:55 <LiraNuna> Stskeeps, understood - I'm just reporting
Apr 30 08:20:22 <Stskeeps> hack it to grab rx-44-nonfree instead
Apr 30 08:20:51 <LiraNuna> hack what, and how do I continue it? I ^C'd
Apr 30 08:21:52 <Stskeeps> ^c it
Apr 30 08:22:07 <LiraNuna> I did
Apr 30 08:22:23 <Stskeeps> i should really make a mer-pureubuntu image for the poor souls that deal with b-man's image..
Apr 30 08:23:29 <Shadow__X> top isnt working on my device but htop is
Apr 30 08:23:33 <Shadow__X> package bad?
Apr 30 08:25:06 <LiraNuna> Stskeeps, hack what, where's the script?
Apr 30 08:25:17 <Stskeeps> LiraNuna: dpkg -L deblet-installer
Apr 30 08:25:23 <Stskeeps> the .py is there somewhere
Apr 30 08:36:29 <jeremiah_> weird, I can reach the repos for fremantle from ARMEL, but not X86 when in scratchbox
Apr 30 08:36:36 <jeremiah_> that's annoying
Apr 30 08:37:28 <Stskeeps> check resolv.conf and /scratchbox/etc/resolv.conf
Apr 30 08:37:29 <Stskeeps> maybe
Apr 30 08:39:34 <jeremiah_> Stskeeps: Interesting - the two targets have two different nameservers!
Apr 30 08:39:40 <jeremiah_> Good catch Stskeeps
Apr 30 08:39:43 <Stskeeps> got to love sb
Apr 30 08:39:43 <Stskeeps> :P
Apr 30 08:39:52 <jeremiah_> WTF?
Apr 30 08:39:55 <jeremiah_> Why?
Apr 30 08:40:05 <jeremiah_> Oh well, I will just change it by hand
Apr 30 08:40:23 <jeremiah_> Stskeeps: Should I file a bug? Or is this just sb being sb?
Apr 30 08:40:30 <Stskeeps> i'd say the latter
Apr 30 08:40:42 * jeremiah_ sigh
Apr 30 08:43:38 <jeremiah_> Hmm, that's not it though.
Apr 30 08:44:00 <jeremiah_> Still able to resolve in ARMEL and not in X86, time to dig some more.
Apr 30 08:44:16 <Shadow_M> GeneralAntilles, what do you use to play the videos because, when i try and play a video media player comes up and doesnt play it
Apr 30 08:44:33 <Stskeeps> jeremiah_: verify /etc/resolv.conf too
Apr 30 08:45:32 <jeremiah_> They appear to be identical
Apr 30 08:45:36 <Stskeeps> hmm
Apr 30 08:45:56 <jeremiah_> Its just when I switch targets then repository.maemo.org disappears.
Apr 30 08:46:47 <jeremiah_> Its giving me a 404 when I use wget by hand
Apr 30 08:47:30 <Shadow_M>  media stream not found at given address
Apr 30 08:47:45 * timeless_mbp randomly pokes jeremiah_ 
Apr 30 08:49:20 <GAN800> Shadow_M, mplayer
Apr 30 08:49:28 <GAN800> Cut and paster the video URL into it.
Apr 30 08:49:39 <jeremiah_> Can it be that the EULA provides a key that is usable by one install target (i.e. X86 or ARMEL) only?
Apr 30 08:49:48 <GAN800> Shadow_M, did you install tablet-encode?
Apr 30 08:50:20 <Shadow_M> yes on the encodingnmachine i see mencoder comes up
Apr 30 08:53:34 <Shadow_M> GAN800, there isnt a way to get mplayer to auto run maybe in about config
Apr 30 08:55:38 <mikkov_> X-Fade: extras-devel has stopped updating since yesterday
Apr 30 08:56:32 <RST38h> Texrat surfaced again. Hmm
Apr 30 08:56:48 <timeless_mbp> sp3000: so, i see a 20mb pig
Apr 30 08:57:25 <sp3000> oh that one ;)
Apr 30 08:57:32 <jeremiah_> mikkov_: Hmmm. I will take a look
Apr 30 08:57:34 <timeless_mbp> there's also something using 17mb
Apr 30 08:57:37 <timeless_mbp> which sounds interesting
Apr 30 08:57:39 <sp3000> (also, oh that's what mbp means :P)
Apr 30 08:57:50 <timeless_mbp> but yeah, that one... we should zap it :)
Apr 30 08:57:53 <timeless_mbp> mac book pro :)
Apr 30 08:58:12 <zap__> yeah, zap it
Apr 30 08:59:45 <mikkov_> jeremiah: it seems that fremantle is updating but diablo is not
Apr 30 09:00:04 * timeless_mbp is downloading a 1.3gb iso @250k/s :(
Apr 30 09:00:11 <timeless_mbp> 5mins left
Apr 30 09:01:30 <jeremiah_> mikkov_: Yeah, things stopped updating yesterday, just like you said.
Apr 30 09:01:45 <jeremiah_> mikkov_: I think there maybe a hung indexing process on garage
Apr 30 09:01:52 <jeremiah_> I am trying to figure that out now.
Apr 30 09:03:03 <sp3000> timeless_mbp: yeah yeah ;)
Apr 30 09:03:19 <jeremiah_> mikkov_: I am re-indexing . . .
Apr 30 09:08:32 <mikkov_> jeremiah: ok, thanks
Apr 30 09:18:32 <jeremiah_> Weird.
Apr 30 09:18:45 <jeremiah_> It re-indexed, but did not create a new Packages file.
Apr 30 09:23:35 <Jaffa> Morning, all
Apr 30 09:23:42 <Stskeeps> morning jaffa
Apr 30 09:24:08 <timeless_mbp> sp3000: ok, iso downloaded :)
Apr 30 09:30:28 <kulve> has anybody compiled the new maemo5 beta kernel for beagle yet?
Apr 30 09:30:35 <kulve> I having some compilation issues..
Apr 30 09:34:53 <timeless_mbp> query sp3000
Apr 30 09:36:28 <timeless_mbp> right...
Apr 30 09:36:31 * timeless_mbp goes fishing for a url
Apr 30 09:42:05 <jeremiah_> Well, it looks like I successfully re-indexed diablo.
Apr 30 09:42:22 <jeremiah_> The process is still a bit of a mystery to me, though I have read the scripts.
Apr 30 09:42:50 <jeremiah_> I'll ping X-Fade and maybe we can dig out what went wrong.
Apr 30 09:43:15 <timeless_mbp> jeremiah_: since you're done w/ fires... :)
Apr 30 09:45:41 * Jaffa ponders what the effect would be of thumbs downing texrat's p.m.o post ;-)
Apr 30 09:46:14 <jeremiah_> timeless_mbp: :)
Apr 30 09:46:33 <suihkulokki> kulve: patch is on the works
Apr 30 09:50:58 <kulve> suihkulokki: any release estimate for it? :)
Apr 30 09:51:25 * RST38h suggests not pissing off Texrat, the guy is already down on life
Apr 30 09:57:39 <RST38h> Ionel Florin Negru, Craiova, Romania ...
Apr 30 09:58:26 <cosmo_> i found out that packages can use maemo-select-menu-location to specify their location in menu. is it possible to use it non-interactively to add application into settings menu?
Apr 30 10:01:04 <timeless_mbp> you shouldn't use it <period>
Apr 30 10:01:53 <cosmo_> i need some way to install application into settings menu
Apr 30 10:02:19 <timeless_mbp> hopefully the sdk docs explain the more correct way
Apr 30 10:03:04 <cosmo_> ..and hildon menu doesn't support the .desktop file's category definition
Apr 30 10:12:54 <suihkulokki> kulve: when it works :)
Apr 30 10:18:52 <roope> Mh.
Apr 30 10:37:16 <LiraNuna> deblet won't boot on N810 WiMAX...
Apr 30 10:38:12 <roadies> where can I get the mysql development source envirnoment?
Apr 30 10:39:03 <roadies> that is for the maemo embedded system
Apr 30 10:40:29 <Stskeeps> LiraNuna: mm, lovely
Apr 30 10:41:09 <LiraNuna> stuck at the very end
Apr 30 10:41:22 <LiraNuna> must take the battery off to continue
Apr 30 10:41:42 <jeremiah_> roadies: What are you trying to do? Build a package for maemo of mysql?
Apr 30 10:42:41 <roadies> well actually 2 things, cross compile mysql for maemo N810 and PetaLinux
Apr 30 10:43:12 <Stskeeps> LiraNuna: sorry, deblet is so far back :/ i don't work on it anymore
Apr 30 10:43:14 <jeremiah_> For which target in maemo? The current i.e. diablo?
Apr 30 10:43:30 <Stskeeps> LiraNuna: you're more welome to help fixing the problems causing GNOME not to load on Mer
Apr 30 10:43:40 <roadies> jeremiah: yeah, diablo
Apr 30 10:43:44 <LiraNuna> there's gnome on Mer!?
Apr 30 10:43:44 <jeremiah_> roadies: Because there is a beta SDK for fremantle
Apr 30 10:44:22 <Stskeeps> LiraNuna: of course there is, but you might have to do some magic and force some GTK versions.
Apr 30 10:44:28 <Stskeeps> and you can't have both hildon and gnome
Apr 30 10:44:49 <Stskeeps> LiraNuna: mer is ubuntu based, remember? :P
Apr 30 10:45:14 <LiraNuna> Stskeeps, yes sit (4am here)
Apr 30 10:45:16 <LiraNuna> sir*
Apr 30 10:45:48 <roadies> jeremiah:  its not the maemo cross-compile development environment or PetaLinux cross-compile environment that's the problem its seeing if mysql has been modified to be built within those environments that's the key
Apr 30 10:46:45 <roadies> jeremiah: since mysql as a binary for maemo, I was looking for the sources to it
Apr 30 10:46:53 <Stskeeps> petalinux.. what on earth is that?
Apr 30 10:47:14 <roadies> its a embedded Linux for Xilinx FPGAs
Apr 30 10:47:21 <Stskeeps> ah
Apr 30 10:48:41 <jeremiah_> roadies: You can get mysql's sources from mysql.com
Apr 30 10:48:59 <jeremiah_> roadies: If you want the sources from maemo, you can use apt-get source to get it
Apr 30 10:49:29 <LiraNuna> Stskeeps, how can I uninstall deblet bootloader
Apr 30 10:49:44 <LiraNuna> (sorry for my load of questions)
Apr 30 10:49:45 <Stskeeps> LiraNuna: --flash-only=initfs of a normal firmware image
Apr 30 10:49:55 <Stskeeps> LiraNuna: either way the deblet bootloader works for mer
Apr 30 10:50:08 <roadies> jeremiah: I was looking but didnt see how to get it, then again I'm an older than mold burnt out coder who can see very well anymore :-(
Apr 30 10:51:15 <roadies> is there a url that points to it or the apt-get string?
Apr 30 11:04:34 <zeev> Hi, can Nokia's internet tablet use internet access provided by mobile networks (GPRS or whatever name it has)?
Apr 30 11:04:57 <Stskeeps> yes, but only through a bluetooth telephone
Apr 30 11:04:59 <Stskeeps> tethering
Apr 30 11:05:07 <Stskeeps> the next tablet will have HSDPA though
Apr 30 11:05:53 <LinuxCode> I WANT THE NEXT TABLET
Apr 30 11:05:57 <LinuxCode> RIGHT NOW!
Apr 30 11:05:59 <LinuxCode> hehe
Apr 30 11:06:13 <LinuxCode> Wasnt it end of quarter 2 ?
Apr 30 11:06:54 <Stskeeps> no announcement yet
Apr 30 11:07:13 * LinuxCode clobbers Ari over the head with a N810
Apr 30 11:07:23 <LinuxCode> ;-}
Apr 30 11:08:01 <LinuxCode> Im still using my P800 as phone
Apr 30 11:08:09 <LinuxCode> Its slowly time to get rid of it
Apr 30 11:08:14 <zeev> will it be possible to turn into a mobile SIP phone?
Apr 30 11:08:26 <Stskeeps> zeev: it is already with SIP support
Apr 30 11:08:34 <Stskeeps> you could techncially run that over 3g
Apr 30 11:09:05 <zeev> yes, but I want to use it everywhere where I can access to a mobile network
Apr 30 11:09:12 <samppa> hmm did anyone else have problems when upgrading alpa to beta sdk ?
Apr 30 11:09:16 <LinuxCode> I wonder if the phone functions will be separate from the other stuff
Apr 30 11:09:30 <LinuxCode> so one can flash it with any arm linux one wants
Apr 30 11:09:44 <zeev> Stskeeps: not only with WiFi access
Apr 30 11:09:53 <Stskeeps> zeev: or with wifi
Apr 30 11:10:02 <zeev> in order to have the same coverage as a regular cellphone
Apr 30 11:11:06 <zeev> Stskeeps: can I do it now somehow?
Apr 30 11:11:38 <Stskeeps> zeev: the tablet just treats 3G or tethering as a data connection
Apr 30 11:11:41 <Stskeeps> SIP will work nevertheless
Apr 30 11:11:52 <Stskeeps> 3g tethering / wifi
Apr 30 11:12:30 <zeev> for tethering I need another phone....
Apr 30 11:17:34 <zeev> So with HSDPA I will be able to use the tablet as SIP phone in any place with mobile network access, without additional hardware?
Apr 30 11:18:01 <`0660> yes
Apr 30 11:18:08 <Stskeeps> yes, in the eventual tablet
Apr 30 11:18:14 <Stskeeps> which is not announced yet, but coming
Apr 30 11:18:32 <Jaffa> s/tablet/"lead device"/
Apr 30 11:19:16 <lcuk> LinuxCode, if you are done with your 810 could you send it into a kitty for gsoc students to work from :)
Apr 30 11:19:32 <LinuxCode> lcuk, lol
Apr 30 11:19:37 <LinuxCode> I probably keep it
Apr 30 11:19:40 <roadies> jeremiah_:  got it via svn.... forgot I had a developers account...been a while since working directly on my N810 stuff...hopefully returning soon
Apr 30 11:19:41 <LinuxCode> to be honest
Apr 30 11:20:02 <LinuxCode> lcuk, how about a SE P800
Apr 30 11:20:03 <LinuxCode> ?
Apr 30 11:20:04 <LinuxCode> ;-p
Apr 30 11:20:32 * lcuk will try not to purchase a sony ever again
Apr 30 11:20:38 <LinuxCode> hehe
Apr 30 11:20:49 <LinuxCode> I ddint say purchase
Apr 30 11:20:58 * LinuxCode throws it at you
Apr 30 11:21:04 * lcuk ducks
Apr 30 11:21:06 <LinuxCode> it was  avery good phone in 2002
Apr 30 11:21:12 <LinuxCode> played video
Apr 30 11:21:26 <LinuxCode> excellent to watch star trek episodes at University
Apr 30 11:21:35 <LinuxCode> during boring VB lectures
Apr 30 11:23:15 <Jaffa> Is it possible for a VB lecture to be anything but boring? The help's alright and you can figure it out as you go
Apr 30 11:24:02 <Stskeeps> bring strippers
Apr 30 11:24:08 <lcuk> vb is a lovely framework if used correctly
Apr 30 11:24:18 <LinuxCode> *puke*
Apr 30 11:24:31 <LinuxCode> lcuk, sorry, I think I made a mess of your shoes
Apr 30 11:24:35 <LinuxCode> ;-p
Apr 30 11:24:59 * lcuk wasn t wearing shoes :|
Apr 30 11:25:07 * lcuk wiggles toes and lets chunks fall out
Apr 30 11:25:12 <zeev> Stskeeps: 1) when is it supposed to come? 2) how will I get access to HSDPA of some provider? do I have to place their SIM-card into tablet? Does the tablet have a place to insert it?
Apr 30 11:25:12 <lcuk> next time do it elsewhere
Apr 30 11:25:47 <Stskeeps> zeev: 1) no idea 2) pay for it (3g), yes probably  - but be aware, we're not talking of a tablet that's on the market right now
Apr 30 11:25:48 <LinuxCode> zeev, so many questions we all would like answered
Apr 30 11:26:02 <lcuk> i fail to see how you can access a hsdpa modem without a sim
Apr 30 11:26:12 <Stskeeps> lcuk: cdma silliness maybe? :P dunno
Apr 30 11:26:13 <LinuxCode> lcuk, magic
Apr 30 11:26:45 <LinuxCode> we should insist on product dev openness in the GPL
Apr 30 11:26:49 <LinuxCode> lol
Apr 30 11:26:51 <LinuxCode> j/k
Apr 30 11:27:06 * LinuxCode is restless waiting for a new tablet 
Apr 30 11:27:18 <roope> So many different speculations. :)
Apr 30 11:27:50 <lcuk> hiya roope
Apr 30 11:27:55 <lcuk> i like the solar panels idea!
Apr 30 11:28:01 <LinuxCode> I think we should kidnap Ari's kids and that then force faster development
Apr 30 11:28:06 <Stskeeps> roope: it's this or bacon
Apr 30 11:28:12 <jeremiah_> LinuxCode: GPL v.3 tries to address that
Apr 30 11:28:30 <LinuxCode> jeremiah_, it does ?
Apr 30 11:28:35 <LinuxCode> not so sure that would be smart
Apr 30 11:28:45 <LinuxCode> compnaies might shy away from Linux then ;-|
Apr 30 11:28:48 <jeremiah_> LinuxCode: It tries to stop TiVoization and software patents
Apr 30 11:28:54 <jeremiah_> LinuxCode: Unlikely
Apr 30 11:29:03 * lcuk spits towards the patents word
Apr 30 11:29:03 <roope> It's healthier than bacon.
Apr 30 11:29:05 <Stskeeps> jeremiah_: that has nothing to deal with product dev openness though :P
Apr 30 11:29:16 <Jaffa> GPL v4'll address RMS' new tirade against web-based apps
Apr 30 11:29:20 * LinuxCode hands lcuk a brown paper bag in case he has to puke
Apr 30 11:29:21 <Stskeeps> just makes sure we can replace the firmware, a freedom we already have :P
Apr 30 11:29:22 <jeremiah_> Stskeeps: A little bit actually.
Apr 30 11:29:26 <lcuk> hehjaffa
Apr 30 11:29:33 <jeremiah_> Stskeeps: Yes, that is the best thing.
Apr 30 11:29:49 <LinuxCode> Stskeeps, brings Jornada 710 memories back
Apr 30 11:29:52 <LinuxCode> lol
Apr 30 11:30:13 <lcuk> i love the idea of having the license embedded in the system, but think gpl3 still has issues
Apr 30 11:30:15 <Stskeeps> jeremiah_: when i say product dev openness i speak of "developing new products in the open", which is completely unrealistic when mixed with a HW vendor :)
Apr 30 11:30:25 * lcuk already puts gpl in a kinetic scrollable viewer ;)
Apr 30 11:30:30 <Stskeeps> some parts will still be under wraps / "not published yet"
Apr 30 11:30:38 <LinuxCode> Stskeeps, yeh
Apr 30 11:30:44 <LinuxCode> Id expect that
Apr 30 11:30:52 <jeremiah_> Stskeeps: Well, I dunno. There are some companies doing that kinda thing. But you are mostly likely right.
Apr 30 11:30:54 <LinuxCode> dont like it, but it makes sense for a vendor
Apr 30 11:31:10 <lcuk> Stskeeps, not published isnt a problem under any stretch of the imagination
Apr 30 11:31:35 <Stskeeps> lcuk: any tablet product ever has been discussed on iTT anyway. it's like the monkeys writing shakespeare.
Apr 30 11:31:42 <Stskeeps> as in, any future ones possible
Apr 30 11:31:42 <Stskeeps> :P
Apr 30 11:31:56 <lcuk> thats exactly like liqbase - its not overtly pushed but at time of release it will be open
Apr 30 11:32:00 <lcuk> lol yeah
Apr 30 11:32:35 <lcuk> we have orbital maneuvering thrusters on the n12300347
Apr 30 11:33:33 <roope> it'll bend spoons, just like uri gellar.
Apr 30 11:33:50 <suihkulokki> there is no spoon
Apr 30 11:34:58 <roope> well whatever it is, it'll appear pretty bent.
Apr 30 11:37:19 <LinuxCode> lcuk, btw, I couldnt donate my N810 anyway
Apr 30 11:37:23 <LinuxCode> it was a gift
Apr 30 11:37:38 * LinuxCode finds it rude to sell or give away gifts
Apr 30 11:37:41 * lcuk has a spoon on his finger
Apr 30 11:37:50 <Stskeeps> LinuxCode: depends if it has more purpose at the receivers
Apr 30 11:37:59 <LinuxCode> I suppose
Apr 30 11:38:30 <LinuxCode> but then tbh, Id donate it to the fedora-arm guys
Apr 30 11:39:52 * Stskeeps is just happy he got a donated n800 when his broke.
Apr 30 11:40:14 <LinuxCode> thats another reason to keep the older model
Apr 30 11:40:17 <LinuxCode> as backup
Apr 30 11:41:00 <zeev> if it wasn't announced how do you know it will have HSDPA?
Apr 30 11:41:51 <Stskeeps> that part was announced
Apr 30 11:41:52 <Stskeeps> :P
Apr 30 12:00:14 <|dl9pf|> rumors about the ETA ?
Apr 30 12:00:20 <Stskeeps> nop
Apr 30 12:00:30 <Stskeeps> but i think the first beta came a bit of a surprise to some
Apr 30 12:01:02 <|dl9pf|> so "sooner than later"
Apr 30 12:01:15 <Stskeeps> we'll see i guess, i am sold already ;)
Apr 30 12:16:37 * RST38h moos at pupnik and Sts
Apr 30 13:14:33 <samppa> i really dont like the outlook of discussion section on new maemo.org
Apr 30 13:14:48 <samppa> is there a way to change bg colour to black and text to white?
Apr 30 13:15:00 <Jaffa> samppa: there's a whole thread you can rant about it on (and no, NAFAIK at the moment)
Apr 30 13:15:17 <samppa> Jaffa: okey, i dont find orange text so easy to read on white bg
Apr 30 13:16:04 <sqwable> annoying but more web2.0
Apr 30 13:16:21 <Jaffa> http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28594
Apr 30 13:16:23 <samppa> and there is no room for usability in w2.0 ?
Apr 30 13:16:45 <sqwable> :)
Apr 30 13:21:06 <sqwable> What are you supposed to do when a python program gives ImportError: no module named osso, but python2.5-osso is installed?
Apr 30 13:22:04 <sqwable> Im really poor at python stuff
Apr 30 13:22:24 <Jaffa> sqwable: complain to the author?
Apr 30 13:22:39 <sqwable> oh
Apr 30 13:22:56 <sqwable> so theres nothing one can do? damn
Apr 30 13:25:43 <sqwable> Jaffa, the error comes from a line that says "import osso", I don't think its an issue with the code
Apr 30 13:26:07 <Jaffa> sqwable: It's an issue with the packaging if it's not pulling in stuff which works correctly.
Apr 30 13:26:17 <Jaffa> (yes, this is probably solvable by you; but I don't know how OTTOMH)
Apr 30 13:27:18 <sqwable> Thing is, I reinstalled os2008 an hour ago
Apr 30 13:27:31 <sqwable> because I wanted to make it work, but it still doesnt
Apr 30 13:27:55 <sqwable> It must be a very strange configuration error
Apr 30 13:30:11 <sqwable> Jaffa, you were right it was a packaging thing.. apt-get remove, then installed seems to have shaken something loose.. it worked (the app still doesnt work though, d-bus library error this time)
Apr 30 13:30:25 <sqwable> s/installed/install
Apr 30 13:35:53 <sqwable> yay
Apr 30 14:00:04 <RST38h> "In the event the red triangle is on top, the user will automatically fail, and in most cases, the most catastrophic way possible which always results in at least the death of the user."
Apr 30 14:19:09 <thopiekar> is it true that maemo5 will be available on n8x0?
Apr 30 14:19:18 <thopiekar> I mean not as HE's?
Apr 30 14:19:35 <Jaffa> thopiekar: Correct. Nokia's hacker editions were always side projects and under utilised.
Apr 30 14:20:00 <Jaffa> The community is providing a hacker edition of as much of Maemo 5 as possible (and you can install it now): http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer
Apr 30 14:20:36 <thopiekar> but a nokia supported version of maemo5 wouldn't be available.. just 4.1.. right?
Apr 30 14:20:41 <Jaffa> Correct.
Apr 30 14:20:44 <thopiekar> k
Apr 30 14:20:49 <Jaffa> But Nokia didn't support the HEs either.
Apr 30 14:20:59 <Jaffa> And Nokia are involved in providing support to the folks behind Mer
Apr 30 14:21:08 <Jaffa> (i.e. opening components etc.)
Apr 30 14:24:58 <thopiekar> -.-' they could start with opengl-support first..
Apr 30 14:25:57 <Jaffa> http://wiki.maemo.org/Drivers_justification and http://wiki.maemo.org/Talk:Drivers_justification
Apr 30 15:17:01 <RST38h> Yes, please: http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/gizmodo/2009/04/nes-mouse.jpg
Apr 30 15:47:41 <aquatix> RST38h: oh wow
Apr 30 16:20:54 <Stskeeps> 'lo MoonTiger :)
Apr 30 16:21:01 * MoonTiger waves
Apr 30 16:21:04 <MoonTiger> hi :)
Apr 30 16:21:09 <Stskeeps> how's stuff?
Apr 30 16:21:21 <MoonTiger> the weather in the uk is shit
Apr 30 16:21:25 <MoonTiger> but thats to be expected
Apr 30 16:21:31 <MoonTiger> otherwise all is good
Apr 30 16:21:32 <MoonTiger> :)
Apr 30 16:21:54 <qwerty12> Lol, we actually had some sunny days (*shock*) but now it's all, like you say, shit :/
Apr 30 16:22:10 <MoonTiger> yah .... im visiting the family units in the midlands
Apr 30 16:22:20 <MoonTiger> back home to sunny spain next week tho
Apr 30 16:23:36 <MoonTiger> oh hey guys...
Apr 30 16:23:45 <bitentropy> is there anyway to upgrade the os2007 to os2008 using the tablet instead flashing from a pc?
Apr 30 16:23:53 <MoonTiger> i installed the anjuta plugin for maemo dev and it generates error code
Apr 30 16:24:03 <MoonTiger> anybody know how to fix it?
Apr 30 16:24:22 <MoonTiger> bitentropy, not afaik
Apr 30 16:24:34 <luke-jr_> anyone here good w/ Git?
Apr 30 16:27:01 <bitentropy> MoonTiger thanks. bad news, but i will try with the nokia updater asap
Apr 30 16:28:01 <MoonTiger> bitentropy, any reason you can't use a pc?
Apr 30 16:30:16 <bitentropy> MoonTiger none, just disponibility
Apr 30 16:32:12 <MoonTiger> bitentropy, hehe ok :)
Apr 30 16:32:50 <bitentropy> =)
Apr 30 16:46:59 <Meizirkki> I just broke my keyboard ..
Apr 30 16:47:03 <Stskeeps> :(
Apr 30 16:47:07 <Stskeeps> Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 4.0.0), intltool, libhildon1-dev, libgtk2.0-dev, libosso-gnomevfs2-dev, libglib2.0-dev, libdbus-glib-1-dev, libosso-dev, conbtdialogs-dev, libhildonfm2-dev, osso-af-settings, libmodest-dbus-client-dev
Apr 30 16:47:12 <Stskeeps> in maemopad dependancies
Apr 30 16:47:17 <Jaffa> Lovely
Apr 30 16:47:17 <Stskeeps> have they gone absolutely mad?
Apr 30 16:47:49 <Stskeeps> ah. "Send by e-mail" probably.
Apr 30 16:47:54 <qwerty12> What's wrong? It seems correct for the functionality it has.
Apr 30 16:48:09 <Stskeeps> mm
Apr 30 16:48:32 <Jaffa> Would be nice if that was done via delegating to a single library, rather than needing a conbtdialogs-dev dep.
Apr 30 16:50:23 <_gpg_> hello
Apr 30 16:51:04 <_gpg_> i've read on somme pages "qdbusmonitor", can anyone tell me what's/where can i find this application plaese ?
Apr 30 16:52:23 <qwerty12> If you don't know what it is for, why do you need it installed?
Apr 30 16:53:12 <_gpg_> qwerty12, smart answer
Apr 30 16:53:31 <qwerty12> Nothing smart, I'm just wondering. :)
Apr 30 16:53:38 <_gpg_> qwerty12, i've read somewhere  Qt also incorporates the graphical qdbusmonitor  enables to browse all services and objects on the D-Bus and also to call methods or receive signals.
Apr 30 16:54:35 <_gpg_> qwerty12, i know qt ery well but it the first time i heard about "qdbusmonitor", it's not a part of qt itself
Apr 30 16:55:36 <qwerty12> No idea what "qdbusmonitor" is but dbus-monitor lets you monitor the d-bus message and system busses for messages sent to applications through it
Apr 30 16:55:51 <_gpg_> qwerty12, i kn ow dbus-monitor in fact
Apr 30 16:55:58 <_gpg_> http://maemo.org/community/maemo-developers/osso-muali-_dbus_and_qt_closeevent--s/
Apr 30 16:56:26 <_gpg_> the paper where i've found qdbusmonitor
Apr 30 16:58:11 <qwerty12> Think the guy means "qdbus" and it's part of libqt4-dbus
Apr 30 17:16:55 <_gpg_> qwerty12, i think so :)
Apr 30 18:03:29 <lcuk> wb qwerty12_N800
Apr 30 18:03:47 <qwerty12_N800> thank you lcuk
Apr 30 18:04:32 <lcuk> are you saving the world tonight or just your usual 100+ bugfixes per hour?
Apr 30 18:06:12 <qwerty12_N800> nah, got science homework :p
Apr 30 18:09:06 <jeremiah_> X-Fade: ping
Apr 30 18:09:36 <jeremiah_> Just want to make sure things are indexing as they should. :)
Apr 30 18:10:16 <lcuk> hiya jeremiah_ \o
Apr 30 18:10:42 <jeremiah_> hello lcuk, how goes it?
Apr 30 18:10:44 <jeremiah_> :)
Apr 30 18:11:13 <lcuk> so so, finger is sore but im still smiling :)
Apr 30 18:11:33 <jeremiah_> aha. Should I ask where that finger has been?
Apr 30 18:11:56 <lcuk> its been helping nokia ovi to become finger friendly ;)
Apr 30 18:12:27 <jeremiah_> lcuk: Are you hacking on some sekrit project?
Apr 30 18:12:38 <jeremiah_> Ovi has a chance to be really big I think
Apr 30 18:12:55 <jeremiah_> I know Nokia believes in it.
Apr 30 18:13:02 <jeremiah_> And they should.
Apr 30 18:13:08 <lcuk> lol i think i became an unwitting member of a nokia research project lol.  i lopped the end of it off in a nokia door
Apr 30 18:13:28 <jeremiah_> lcuk: Are you serious? Ouch!
Apr 30 18:13:29 <lcuk> http://liqbase.net/fingerfriendly.jpg
Apr 30 18:14:09 <qwerty12_N800> lcuk: they should add yer finger to their walk of fame =)
Apr 30 18:14:11 <jeremiah_> lcuk:  That looks broken to me. :(
Apr 30 18:14:45 <lcuk> jeremiah_, you think?  i noticed before that tho when i saw the bone itself
Apr 30 18:15:20 <lcuk> lol qwerty i might
Apr 30 18:15:52 <lcuk> it will heal eventually to some degree i think
Apr 30 18:16:04 <jeremiah_> lcuk: You are a brave soul.
Apr 30 18:16:20 <lcuk> no the drugs help there
Apr 30 18:16:22 <jeremiah_> Hope it feels better soon, so you can get back to coding with speed.
Apr 30 18:16:42 <lcuk> ive got too much to do to actually stop tho, it slows me down but i havent been able to take a break
Apr 30 18:17:41 <lcuk> it hurts so much more when the horse pills wear off
Apr 30 18:18:21 <jeremiah_> lcuk: I slammed my finger in a car door once, literally had to open the door to pull it out.
Apr 30 18:18:26 <jeremiah_> That hurt a lot
Apr 30 18:18:40 <jeremiah_> I couldn't sleep because the pain was throbbing in my finger.
Apr 30 18:18:44 * lcuk knows how you feel
Apr 30 18:18:50 <lcuk>  / felt
Apr 30 18:19:01 <jeremiah_> Went to the hospital and they gave me codein. =)
Apr 30 18:19:09 <jeremiah_> That was nice.
Apr 30 18:19:21 <lcuk> heh
Apr 30 18:19:40 <Gast_337_> Hey guck mal auf dieser Seite kann man die schülerVZ profile von anderen Leuten ändern, deren nachrichten lesen und fake nachrichten verschicken und damit leute verarschen. Der Link: http://schuelervzspy.com/?d=cc2ae9a68375ed1a0b49161aedef4c24
Apr 30 18:19:54 <qwerty12_N800> GTFO
Apr 30 18:20:08 <lcuk> but it might be tits
Apr 30 18:20:58 <qwerty12_N800> it could be man tits
Apr 30 18:21:10 <lcuk> that would be bad
Apr 30 18:22:58 <jeremiah_> Keine detucsh!
Apr 30 18:23:05 <jeremiah_> rausch!
Apr 30 18:23:17 <jeremiah_> WTF is detucsh?
Apr 30 18:23:50 <qwerty12_N800> Your offshoot of German?  =)
Apr 30 18:25:08 <luke-jr_> Dutch is a mix of German and English, IMO
Apr 30 18:26:45 <locutus> not really
Apr 30 18:27:02 <locutus> (<- dutch/english/german/ripuarian speaker)
Apr 30 18:27:53 <jeremiah_> Kees (and other Dutch people) would be mad at your right now lcuk. :)
Apr 30 18:28:11 <jeremiah_> And what the heck is ripuarian?
Apr 30 18:28:23 <locutus> jeremiah_: germanic minority language
Apr 30 18:28:33 <lcuk> why mad?
Apr 30 18:28:38 <locutus> (well, group off, it gets rather specific)
Apr 30 18:29:20 <jeremiah_> locutus: Ah, cool. I didn't know that.
Apr 30 18:29:49 <jeremiah_> lcuk: Well, traditionally the Dutch do not necessarily think that being, or sounding German, is a compliment.
Apr 30 18:29:58 <jeremiah_> But that stereotype may be wearing off.
Apr 30 18:30:20 <lcuk> ? i never said anything about the language
Apr 30 18:30:28 <lcuk> i pondered whether the person would get tits out
Apr 30 18:30:34 <lcuk> since qwerty said to gtfo
Apr 30 18:30:39 <jeremiah_> Ooops. That was luke-jr_
Apr 30 18:31:09 <jeremiah_> Sorry lcuk, I meant to say that to luke-jr_
Apr 30 18:31:13 <lcuk> jeremiah_, i sentence you to 3 weeks solid Visual Basic development
Apr 30 18:33:30 <jeremiah_> lcuk: !
Apr 30 18:33:42 <jeremiah_> Cruel and unusual punishment
Apr 30 18:36:21 <lcuk> jeremiah_, course its not
Apr 30 18:36:25 <luke-jr_> jeremiah_: hm, is cruel punishment OK if it's "usual"?
Apr 30 18:36:43 <lcuk> or an unusual but not very cruel one
Apr 30 18:59:00 <Shadow__X> 2008 is diablo correct
Apr 30 19:00:12 <jeremiah_> Shadow__X: If you mean is diable OS2008, then yes.
Apr 30 19:00:53 <jeremiah_> Sorry, s/diable/diablo/
Apr 30 19:02:49 <VDVsx> RST38h, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uO-N0r7Clio
Apr 30 19:14:13 <GAN8001> Shadow__X, OS2008.1 is Diablo.
Apr 30 19:14:24 <GAN8001> Shadow__X, wikipedia has an appropriate table.
Apr 30 19:15:13 <Shadow__X> ah ok thanks
Apr 30 19:19:50 <RST38h> VDVsx: that would be difficult to control =)
Apr 30 19:20:10 <VDVsx> eheh
Apr 30 19:20:42 <GeneralAntilles> Jaffa, I'm not liking that she wants to go off and create a separate site for videos.
Apr 30 19:21:17 <Shadow__X> hey GeneralAntilles why is mediaserv running slow over the web interface
Apr 30 19:21:36 <GeneralAntilles> Dunno, maybe turn off thumbnailing?
Apr 30 19:22:19 <Shadow__X> GeneralAntilles, whats the size of your video library
Apr 30 19:22:24 <RST38h> 
Apr 30 19:22:41 <GeneralAntilles> Shadow__X, the only thing that really matters is the size of the directory you're browsing.
Apr 30 19:23:11 <Shadow__X> hmm
Apr 30 19:23:28 <Shadow__X> so what if lets say its over 1tb
Apr 30 19:26:18 <RST38h> whoa, kernel builds
Apr 30 19:26:48 <rm_you|> So apparently I'll be at the Danish hackfest :)
Apr 30 19:27:16 <Stskeeps> you will? :P
Apr 30 19:27:57 <lcuk> they let you back into europe?  or they just never let you return to america?
Apr 30 19:28:07 <Stskeeps> rm_you|: heard johnx is going too?
Apr 30 19:28:21 <rm_you|> yep
Apr 30 19:28:30 <rm_you|> he called me and said he was going and told me to apply, so i did :P
Apr 30 19:28:41 <Stskeeps> hehe
Apr 30 19:28:51 <rm_you|> yeah, should be fun
Apr 30 19:29:01 <rm_you|> I might go back to WA for a week before to get some pre-hacking in with him
Apr 30 19:29:21 <Stskeeps> sounds good
Apr 30 19:29:47 <Stskeeps> if you're bored, working on taking brightness out of the cold dead hands of DSME and into HAL and maybe powerlaunch could be an idea :P
Apr 30 19:29:52 <Stskeeps> (making ABL cross platform)
Apr 30 19:29:53 <Stskeeps> :P
Apr 30 19:30:01 <rm_you|> yeah
Apr 30 19:30:01 <Jaffa> GeneralAntilles: Well, there's no good place for user tutorials in a structured manner on maemo.org at the moment; but a lot of the discussion in the thread was like "and the council would go off and do the work"
Apr 30 19:30:05 <rm_you|> john suggested that just now
Apr 30 19:30:09 <rm_you|> i was gonna do it next week
Apr 30 19:30:21 <Stskeeps> btw, Hot topics on wiki: Danish weekend maybe?
Apr 30 19:30:23 <GeneralAntilles> Jaffa, the wiki.
Apr 30 19:30:37 <Jaffa> GeneralAntilles: Hmm.
Apr 30 19:30:54 <GeneralAntilles> Just because it's not structured well enough doesn't mean it's impossible TO structure.
Apr 30 19:31:05 <GeneralAntilles> and I'd really rather have the documentation in one place.
Apr 30 19:31:45 <Jaffa> Indeed. Can be a lot of work to /keep/ structured, though. But then, I was for a lot of the root-level pages on the revamped site being part of the wiki (i.e. using the wiki of more of a CMS than midgard)
Apr 30 19:34:55 <GeneralAntilles> I'd really rather see the text documentation and the video documentation side-by-side.
Apr 30 19:35:12 <GeneralAntilles> People can pick what they prefer and go to the other if they're confused or miss something.
Apr 30 19:35:46 <GeneralAntilles> On a side note, damn Reggie's kicking ass in Bugzilla.
Apr 30 19:35:55 <timeless_mbp> ?
Apr 30 19:36:09 <timeless_mbp> GeneralAntilles: can you /msg me? my irc client is drunk
Apr 30 19:36:11 <Jaffa> GeneralAntilles: yup (on both)
Apr 30 19:45:42 <Jaffa> GeneralAntilles: My experience with Yahoo! Pipes makes me think we can do something in the wiki/YouTube which should satisfy everyone.
Apr 30 19:45:48 <Jaffa> (see post #26)
Apr 30 19:46:28 <lcuk> if i "chroot" a folder, does the system expect everything in there, or is it possible to make the system step backwards to the original / folder?
Apr 30 19:46:57 <timeless_mbp> lcuk: you usually want hardlinks
Apr 30 19:47:27 <Stskeeps> lcuk: mount --bind works too
Apr 30 19:47:32 <lcuk> im wanting to configure and setup the system for installing - by laying everything out in its proper folder layouts
Apr 30 19:47:47 <lcuk> but without having to wade through the "real" stuff
Apr 30 19:47:58 <lcuk> what would it do Stskeeps
Apr 30 19:48:18 <lcuk> timeless, i want neither really, its just a thought and advancement on the way i did it in original liqbase
Apr 30 19:48:22 <Stskeeps> lcuk: mount --bind / /chroot/host
Apr 30 19:48:29 <Stskeeps>  / shows up in /host in the chroot
Apr 30 19:48:58 <lcuk> ahhh nice
Apr 30 19:49:25 <Jaffa> jeremiah_: your, or X-Fade's, assistance may be needed in http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28626 at some point
Apr 30 19:50:00 * Jaffa really loves the new talk theme - it fits so well into the rest of the site :)
Apr 30 19:50:39 <GeneralAntilles> Much purtier with post titles removed.
Apr 30 19:51:19 * GeneralAntilles wishes andre__ would get back with testzilla access or something. :P
Apr 30 19:51:24 <Jaffa> Aye, most threads don't involve a subject change half way through
Apr 30 19:51:45 <lcuk> thanks Stskeeps :)
Apr 30 19:51:55 <GeneralAntilles> I'd be in favor of removing the post title entirely if it wouldn't affect the various other forum views.
Apr 30 19:56:31 <GeneralAntilles> Comcast's new policy seems to be "kill the connection once a day around noon".
Apr 30 19:56:48 <johnx_> GeneralAntilles, seeing the same thing here
Apr 30 19:56:51 <Stskeeps> saves bandwidth, torrents have to pick back up speed ;)
Apr 30 19:57:10 <GeneralAntilles> Stskeeps, they already throttle them to hell.
Apr 30 19:58:29 <rm_you|> lol
Apr 30 19:58:43 <rm_you|> I use random local cable company X, they're great :P
Apr 30 19:58:50 <rm_you|> I highly recommend random no-names :P
Apr 30 20:00:38 <RST38h> ``yep
Apr 30 20:01:08 <RST38h> they actually care sometimes
Apr 30 20:03:59 <rm_you|> so can I add my name to the participants list on the wiki or do I have to wait for them to re-export and then just edit my info?
Apr 30 20:04:43 <Stskeeps> they reexport afaik
Apr 30 20:04:59 <rm_you|> k i will wait then
Apr 30 20:08:12 <GeneralAntilles> rm_you|, great if that's an option.
Apr 30 20:08:56 <rm_you|> yeah, I know sometimes comcast/timewarner/etc kill off the little companies :(
Apr 30 20:09:11 <GeneralAntilles> I really like Brighthouse back home, though.
Apr 30 20:19:11 <rm_you|> GA: up to 61k downloads :P lol
Apr 30 20:19:28 * rm_you| looks at download statistics
Apr 30 20:19:38 <rm_you|> that means...
Apr 30 20:19:39 <Stskeeps> when reflashing recently i out of habit clicked same place i had ABL before and just went .. "wtf is this thing"
Apr 30 20:19:42 <Stskeeps> :P
Apr 30 20:19:50 <rm_you|> about 8000 actual users IMO?
Apr 30 20:20:01 <rm_you|> or at least, installed on 8000 actively updating tablets
Apr 30 20:20:12 <rm_you|> lol
Apr 30 20:20:46 <rm_you|> after finals next week I get to go into Maemo Mode :P
Apr 30 20:20:57 <rm_you|> which means I can actually push qwerty's patches and start work on the control panel
Apr 30 20:21:11 <GeneralAntilles> lol
Apr 30 20:21:12 <rm_you|> and making it work with other devices
Apr 30 20:22:09 * Stskeeps ponders where to dust up more gtk coders
Apr 30 20:22:11 <lcuk> 6 months of being awol accounts for about 800 installs a day
Apr 30 20:22:22 <lcuk> doe!
Apr 30 20:22:35 <lcuk> 44 even
Apr 30 20:22:39 <rm_you|> lol
Apr 30 20:22:40 * lcuk can blame it on the finger
Apr 30 20:22:57 <rm_you|> yep
Apr 30 20:23:02 <rm_you|> 44.44 by my count :
Apr 30 20:23:02 <rm_you|> :P
Apr 30 20:23:16 <lcuk> ahhh it failed sometimes :P
Apr 30 20:23:24 <rm_you|> lol
Apr 30 20:31:29 <plastun> I set width and height of GtkButton and put it into GtkHBox. why on maemo GtkHBox stretched???!!!! On desktop everything is OK.
Apr 30 20:37:50 <konttori_> yes! Imeem.com works on the device
Apr 30 20:38:00 * konttori_ starts enjoying some cool tracks
Apr 30 20:39:12 <GeneralAntilles> "the" device? ;)
Apr 30 20:44:32 <ShadowJK_> I want a beagleboard too ;)
Apr 30 20:46:02 <Jaffa> plastun: Using Maemo 5?
Apr 30 20:46:13 <plastun> no, maemo 4
Apr 30 20:46:37 <plastun> Jaffa: do you use glade?
Apr 30 20:47:14 <Jaffa> plastun: Not recently.
Apr 30 20:48:00 <plastun> ( i need roght advice of using gtk containers
Apr 30 20:48:12 <plastun> *right
Apr 30 20:48:33 <RST38h> Ah, konttori, here you are...
Apr 30 20:48:39 <RST38h> konttori: I have tried UKMP.
Apr 30 20:51:15 <jeremiah_> Why can't Nokia just fix the toolchain so one doesn't get nasty spurious warnings when installing the SDK?
Apr 30 20:51:22 <GeneralAntilles> Ha
Apr 30 20:51:26 * jeremiah_ *hurumf*
Apr 30 20:51:38 <GeneralAntilles> "Why can't Nokia just fix . . ." is a popular way to start questions. :P
Apr 30 20:52:07 <Jaffa> Tooling is the biggest problem in Maemo, IMNSHO
Apr 30 20:52:11 <jeremiah_> GeneralAntilles: True. Well, they can just release the source to us and we can do it.
Apr 30 20:52:20 <ShadowJK_> heh.
Apr 30 20:52:49 <jeremiah_> Jaffa: I think you are right. I think you have put your finger on a big issue.
Apr 30 20:52:59 <Stskeeps> history proves source won't bring community.
Apr 30 20:53:03 <ShadowJK_> Are there really critical things missing in order for community to make their own toolchain?
Apr 30 20:53:24 <RST38h> Sts <-- speaketh the truth
Apr 30 20:53:28 <jeremiah_> Stskeeps: I think history proves you wrong there, debian is huge.
Apr 30 20:53:38 <Stskeeps> unless people take up the hatchet and plan and act
Apr 30 20:53:47 <ShadowJK_> I bet lcuk never installed the sdk, yet he manages ;p
Apr 30 20:53:52 <jeremiah_> Ah - important caveat.
Apr 30 20:53:54 <lcuk> i have it installed
Apr 30 20:53:57 <lcuk> i just dont use it
Apr 30 20:54:02 <ShadowJK_> right :)
Apr 30 20:54:02 <lcuk> i hate scratchbox
Apr 30 20:54:09 <lcuk> and the brainfuck of systems within systems
Apr 30 20:54:14 <jeremiah_> One shouldn't have to have an SDK
Apr 30 20:54:18 <RST38h> jeremiah: One example does not make the statement true
Apr 30 20:54:36 <Jaffa> Community can make source vibrant. It's all very chicken & egg.
Apr 30 20:54:47 <lcuk> ShadowJK_, watch my most recent vid - it shows me building liqbase from the console on the device
Apr 30 20:54:48 <jeremiah_> RST38h: Lots of linux distros are free, with lots of free source code available.
Apr 30 20:54:58 <ShadowJK_> For the small things I've wanted compiled I've just done it on the device...
Apr 30 20:55:20 <lcuk> sheeple principle
Apr 30 20:55:25 <lcuk> people like to be in crowds
Apr 30 20:55:33 <lcuk> so some grow massive
Apr 30 20:56:00 <lcuk> applies to pretty much everything in life
Apr 30 20:56:02 <Jaffa> There must be a good way of being able to do desktop-based development without jumping through all sorts of hoops. iPhone manages it well (but depends on OS X), Android manages it well (by using a portable bytecode and VM), hmm.
Apr 30 20:56:25 <RST38h> jeremiah: A Linux distro is not the same thing as a single application
Apr 30 20:56:26 <ShadowJK_> What do you mean by desktop-based development?
Apr 30 20:56:37 <RST38h> jeremiah: If you look at single applications you won't see many viable communities
Apr 30 20:56:48 <RST38h> jeremiah: most of the time it is just one or two people working on an app
Apr 30 20:56:52 <lcuk> jaffa, the problem is the disconnect i see everyone having
Apr 30 20:56:58 <Stskeeps> jeremiah_: the point is.. just because Modest is oss it won't have a community for it
Apr 30 20:56:59 <lcuk> i compile and run natively and live
Apr 30 20:57:05 <Jaffa> ShadowJK_: People like lcuk do some development on the tablet, this shortcuts some of the problems of environment/cross-compilation etc.
Apr 30 20:57:07 <lcuk> and i ctrl the actual program from the same screen
Apr 30 20:57:35 <Stskeeps> if noone acts and involves people actively
Apr 30 20:57:51 <RST38h> BTW, there is a system-level tablet simulation based on qemu
Apr 30 20:57:55 <ShadowJK_> the tablet runs editors fast enough (I haven't tried emacs though ;) and you can ssh into it... I hardly notice a difference whether the editor is executing on my desktop when I'm writing stuff for my usual Linux box or if the editor is executing on the desktop...
Apr 30 20:58:19 <Jaffa> With the beefier processors coming, this may be more feasible for everyone else: have a small frontend on the desktop, mounted FS over USB/WLAN and perhaps VNC and let the OMAP3 do all the grunt work
Apr 30 20:58:23 <lcuk> ShadowJK_, you are right, theres plenty of backend horsepower on the device
Apr 30 20:58:42 <lcuk> WHY VNC?
Apr 30 20:58:43 <Stskeeps> anyhow, you're all repeating what ended up being the maemo reconstructed outline
Apr 30 20:58:46 <ShadowJK_> I only notice when I break out of editor to run gcc, that it doesn't return instantly like on my desktop :)
Apr 30 20:58:54 <lcuk> the tablet sits nicely near you so you can test
Apr 30 20:59:36 <Jaffa> lcuk: Indeed. There might be /some/ circumstances where VNC is useful so you don't have to shift your vision/pick up the stylus (if there is one ;-)) etc. to test a small tweak.
Apr 30 20:59:41 <GeneralAntilles> Can somebody poke the Modest guys about moving their plugin stuff to the real wiki.
Apr 30 21:00:03 <lcuk> jaffa, i would hate to go back to windowed, the tablet doesnt need a pen (unlike the x41)
Apr 30 21:00:22 <lcuk> and i must say having it never overlap but still under the direct control of the desktop is a godsend
Apr 30 21:00:56 <jeremiah_> RST38h: Not even close, Apache has a huge community.
Apr 30 21:01:27 <Jaffa> I'm sure. But a) I suggested it as an option; and b) this is about making Maemo development more accessible and easy, so not limiting the options. The trouble is there's pretty much one "normal" way of doing Maemo development and it's hard. Make a really easy way, and more of it gets done.
Apr 30 21:01:28 <jeremiah_> Again, I think Jaffa is right about desktop-based development, we have to jump through too many hoops
Apr 30 21:01:29 <RST38h> jeremiah: You keep giving concrete examples
Apr 30 21:01:51 <lcuk> yeah jaffa
Apr 30 21:01:53 <jeremiah_> Stskeeps: The point is, if I had the sources, I could fix the problems.
Apr 30 21:02:14 <jeremiah_> Stskeeps: The problems are small and trivial, and they can be fixed, but Nokia has other priorities.
Apr 30 21:02:15 <RST38h> jeremiah: To prove your point, you need statistics: Debian has X packages in its repos, Y of these packages have sizable (>10 people) communitiies
Apr 30 21:02:29 <jeremiah_> RST38h: okay, look at the debian perl team
Apr 30 21:02:40 <RST38h> jeremiah: if Y/X is significantly large, your point is proven
Apr 30 21:02:45 <jeremiah_> 60+ developers, 1000+ packages
Apr 30 21:02:54 <jeremiah_> Catalyst, Jifty, mod_perl
Apr 30 21:02:57 <RST38h> Ok.
Apr 30 21:03:03 <jeremiah_> All handled by us.
Apr 30 21:03:13 <RST38h> So, that is one project, right?
Apr 30 21:03:17 <jeremiah_> Give me the source, I will fix your broken code.
Apr 30 21:03:47 <RST38h> I doubt that
Apr 30 21:03:55 <jeremiah_> Well, look at debian.
Apr 30 21:04:00 <jeremiah_> That is what they say and do.
Apr 30 21:04:04 <RST38h> See above
Apr 30 21:04:19 <RST38h> Not concrete examples, statistics
Apr 30 21:04:46 <jeremiah_> Your logic is backwards, statistics come from concrete examples.
Apr 30 21:05:19 <RST38h> jeremiah: no, my logic is that the proof of "source = community" statement should come from statistics
Apr 30 21:05:33 <luke-jr_> jeremiah_: nope
Apr 30 21:05:40 <luke-jr_> jeremiah_: statistics come from thin air
Apr 30 21:05:43 <ShadowJK_> It's pretty interesting how people approach the whole developing for tablet thing anyway... I was like "hm... need a sshd.. good, I can log in to it... now an editor... where's gcc?", and other people are like "where's the emulator plugin for emacs^Weclipse?"
Apr 30 21:05:53 <RST38h> jeremiah: you are trying to prove it with a few concrete examples, disregarding the fact that for each of your examples there are 100 packages with source available but without community
Apr 30 21:06:36 <lcuk> ShadowJK_, agreed, i didnt think thats how i handle dev it appears like now i sit at a desk and expect the tools to be at hand
Apr 30 21:06:39 <jeremiah_> RST38h: Look, all I'm saying is that Nokia can easily get a GPG key to sign these packages I am installing.
Apr 30 21:06:48 <jeremiah_> RST38h: Is that really so much to ask?
Apr 30 21:06:57 <RST38h> jeremiah: not really, this sounds reasonable
Apr 30 21:07:11 <jeremiah_> If they don't have time, let me do it.
Apr 30 21:07:17 <jeremiah_> I am happy to do it.
Apr 30 21:07:17 <RST38h> jeremiah: if they understand and care, that is
Apr 30 21:07:19 <lcuk> popular source is popular
Apr 30 21:07:44 <jeremiah_> lcuk: Weighing in with the tautologies are we?
Apr 30 21:07:55 <lcuk> well i cant do much else lol
Apr 30 21:08:08 * RST38h feeds lcuk bacon
Apr 30 21:08:25 <lcuk> its not bacon i need i want the pills to kick in
Apr 30 21:08:32 <RST38h> lcuk: :(
Apr 30 21:09:18 <lcuk> jeremiah_, garage has got git support now hasnt it
Apr 30 21:10:25 <jeremiah_> lcuk: Yes - I believe it does
Apr 30 21:10:39 <RST38h> "...the new Star Trek XI movie, the reboot, will not have any spoken Klingon in it Á
Apr 30 21:10:50 <RST38h> hehehe
Apr 30 21:10:52 <jeremiah_> You know things are bad when lcuk doesn't want any bacon
Apr 30 21:10:52 <ShadowJK_> wtf?
Apr 30 21:11:06 <jeremiah_> NO KLINGON?
Apr 30 21:11:08 <ShadowJK_> will there be klingons in it but no spoken klingon?
Apr 30 21:11:13 <jeremiah_> What am I paying for?
Apr 30 21:11:14 <RST38h> apparently
Apr 30 21:11:14 <ShadowJK_> or will there be no klingons period?
Apr 30 21:11:34 <lcuk> they dropped the scene in rura penthe didnt they
Apr 30 21:12:12 <RST38h> they will just release it on DVD in "uncut" version, and sell it to you for $120.
Apr 30 21:12:27 <lcuk> im gonna vanish for a bit
Apr 30 21:12:32 <lcuk> thx j
Apr 30 21:12:33 <lardman|home> evening
Apr 30 21:13:03 <RST38h> g'luck lcuk
Apr 30 21:13:07 <RST38h> moo lardman
Apr 30 21:13:13 <lardman|home> hi RST38h
Apr 30 21:13:27 <lardman|home> lcuk: trying to stop the onset of gangrene?
Apr 30 21:13:35 <qwerty12_N800> morning lardman|home
Apr 30 21:13:48 <lardman|home> qwerty12_N800: for someone no doubt ;)
Apr 30 21:13:59 <lardman|home> "morning" to you too qwerty12_N800
Apr 30 21:14:02 <qwerty12_N800> hehe
Apr 30 21:14:24 * RST38h goes into sleep mode
Apr 30 21:15:09 * qwerty12_N800 hits the buttons on RST38h's keyboard 
Apr 30 21:15:30 <Firebird> blip
Apr 30 21:16:05 * RST38h curls up to hide any tactile inputs and hibernates
Apr 30 21:16:32 <lardman|home> hmm, 3 swine flu cases in London now...
Apr 30 21:19:35 <lardman|home> hmm, http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8026736.stm trip 400ms off the shutdown time by trimming the length of the shutdown sound effects, sounds like a pretty important step in both technical and user-experience terms
Apr 30 21:20:39 <jaska> considering one of the first things done to a windows installation is rip out the stupid sounds :D
Apr 30 21:20:41 <RST38h> "It's indicative of really the level and detail and scrutiny on Windows 7."
Apr 30 21:20:47 * RST38h curses
Apr 30 21:20:53 <lardman|home> lol
Apr 30 21:21:16 <lardman|home> I wonder if that "indicative" was supposed to be ironic?
Apr 30 21:21:27 <RST38h> Just throw it out of the window already and go with a Unix kernel.
Apr 30 21:22:25 <luke-jr_> there is a "Unix kernel"
Apr 30 21:22:27 <luke-jr_> ?
Apr 30 21:22:39 <luke-jr_> oh, context
Apr 30 21:22:49 <RST38h> luke: FreeBSD, NetBSD, OpenBSD, or Solaris all qualify as Unix kernels
Apr 30 21:23:11 <luke-jr_> i c
Apr 30 21:23:32 <jeremiah_> RST38h: Not really.
Apr 30 21:23:48 <lardman|home> unix-style then?
Apr 30 21:23:52 <jeremiah_> The BSDs share a kernel, Darwin uses a Mach kernel called Xnu
Apr 30 21:24:07 <luke-jr_> jeremiah_: since when?
Apr 30 21:24:31 <jeremiah_> luke-jr_: Since they moved to OS X
Apr 30 21:24:38 <luke-jr_> I mean BSDs sharing a kernel
Apr 30 21:25:22 <jeremiah_> luke-jr_: Well, they can, and did, but most likely don't right now.
Apr 30 21:25:32 <jeremiah_> Linux is just a kernel.
Apr 30 21:25:48 <luke-jr_> I'm aware Linux is just a kernel
Apr 30 21:25:58 <jeremiah_> So when debian adds support for a *BSD kernel, you can have a debian GNU userland
Apr 30 21:26:04 <jeremiah_> and a *BSD kernel
Apr 30 21:26:11 <luke-jr_> Debian has already done so
Apr 30 21:26:15 <luke-jr_> FreeBSD's kernel
Apr 30 21:26:18 <jeremiah_> luke-jr_: Not really.
Apr 30 21:26:23 <jeremiah_> It is on the way.
Apr 30 21:26:29 <jeremiah_> It will take a while.
Apr 30 21:26:33 <luke-jr_> jeremiah_: last I heard it was officially supported
Apr 30 21:26:49 <jeremiah_> luke-jr_: Well, you may not have read the entire announcement. :)
Apr 30 21:27:29 <mavhc> question is: why is windows single tasking whilst playing a shut down sound?
Apr 30 21:28:10 <lardman|home> mavhc: oh it's not that of couse, it's just so fast at shutting everything else down that it has to wait on the 3s shutdown sound ;)
Apr 30 21:28:56 <lardman|home> though in reality I imagine the shutdown sound is user dependent, so it can't log the user out before it's played it
Apr 30 21:29:31 <mavhc> not as if vista shuts down anyway, it defaults to sleep mode
Apr 30 21:30:37 <lardman|home> no idea, I've only had the misfortune to have to fix it on my mother-in-law-to-be's laptop
Apr 30 21:30:59 <lardman|home> and laptops always do wierd stuff
Apr 30 21:38:41 <RST38h> jeremiah: BSDs do not share kernel
Apr 30 21:39:21 <RST38h> jeremiah: Darwin, which I have not mentione don the list, uses Mach microkernel with FreeBSD kernel on top
Apr 30 21:40:24 <RST38h> jeremiah: I am not sure what BSD-based Debian is, but my guess is that it is FreeBSD with userland from Debian, whatever reasons for such a strange hybride may be
Apr 30 21:42:19 <jeremiah_> RST38h: Mach with Apple's change on the *BSD kernel is called Xnu.
Apr 30 21:42:55 <jeremiah_> RST38h: The *BSDs share an API to the kernel, which means that there is more in common than not.
Apr 30 21:43:11 * lardman|home feels slightly perturbed at having started an argument in a roundabout way
Apr 30 21:43:19 <jeremiah_> Which is why debian can stick debian GNU userland on top.
Apr 30 21:43:21 <lardman|home> in any case good night chaps
Apr 30 21:43:25 <jeremiah_> No argument. :)
Apr 30 21:43:42 <jeremiah_> lardman: Sweet bacon dreams.
Apr 30 21:44:00 <RST38h> jeremiah: Sorry, BSDs really have DIFFERENT kernels
Apr 30 21:44:06 <RST38h> Whatever APIs they share.
Apr 30 21:44:24 <jeremiah_> RST38h: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XNU
Apr 30 21:44:27 <RST38h> OpenBSD kernel should be more similar to FreeBSD but that is because it has been forked from it
Apr 30 21:44:37 <luke-jr_> jeremiah_: err, no
Apr 30 21:44:47 <luke-jr_> jeremiah_: Debian's GNU/kFreeBSD is *only* FreeBSD's kernel
Apr 30 21:44:50 <RST38h> jeremiah: As I said, not mentioning Darwin as a Unix kernel.
Apr 30 21:45:29 <RST38h> jeremiah: Yes, it is CMU Mach with truncated FreeBSD kernel on top. That does not change anything.
Apr 30 21:46:08 <penguinbait> anyone know how to adjust the file system cache in linux, is it manually adjustable?
Apr 30 21:46:42 <RST38h> penguinbait: I *think* it always takes all free memory
Apr 30 21:47:57 <RST38h> ok, real sleep mode now.
Apr 30 21:48:46 <penguinbait> I have a friend with a system with 32GB RAM, it has 30GB RAM free, and is running balls out as an NFS server.  There is a lot of disk read wait time, I assume I should be able to give some of that ram to fs cache?
Apr 30 21:50:02 <jeremiah_> penguinbait: Are you clustering here?
Apr 30 21:50:15 <jeremiah_> penguinbait: What are is your friend trying to do?
Apr 30 21:50:51 <jeremiah_> penguinbait: Because there are other solutions like load balancing, drbd, memcache, etc.
Apr 30 21:57:24 <penguinbait> thanks jeremiah, but I was looking for a quick tuning option, not wanting to redesign the entire process at this point
Apr 30 22:08:38 <Guest10494> I have an ubuntu work station. How do i download Maemo SDK?
Apr 30 22:15:03 <locutus> Guest10494: RTFM
Apr 30 22:35:47 <TTilus> how do i make the (some kind of) text input assistant which appears on the bottom of screen when im typing, go away
Apr 30 22:36:25 <TTilus> im using bt keyboard so i dont need it
Apr 30 22:36:54 <Proteous> I just put tape over the bottom of my screen
Apr 30 22:37:07 <Proteous> I find that masking tape works better then duct tape
Apr 30 22:37:15 <Proteous> duct tape sometimes leaves gummy stuff on my screen
Apr 30 22:42:19 <TTilus> Proteous: no, no, i want it go away, not just be out of sight
Apr 30 22:42:26 <Proteous> ooohhhhhh
Apr 30 22:42:28 <TTilus> Proteous: could i prolly use scissors?
Apr 30 22:42:31 <Proteous> lol
Apr 30 22:44:13 <Proteous> https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2850
Apr 30 22:46:32 <Proteous> I belive you can turn off autocomplete altogether in the keyboard preferences
Apr 30 22:46:44 <Proteous> I don't have my n810 on me
Apr 30 22:48:00 <Proteous> the comments in this thread complain about the same issue: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15330
Apr 30 22:48:03 <Proteous> no fix though
Apr 30 23:05:23 <b-man`> hello
May 01 00:12:20 <rm_you|> johnx_: :)
May 01 01:28:43 <AndrewFBlack> I think a few people are going to want to hang me for making minimalist theme white background
May 01 01:32:11 <fireun> hang 'im !
May 01 01:32:22 <fireun> power waster!
May 01 01:32:53 <AndrewFBlack> lol
May 01 01:33:39 <fireun> gonna burn out screens too!
May 01 01:33:51 <AndrewFBlack> let them burn
May 01 01:34:01 <fireun> heretic!
May 01 01:34:09 <fireun> stone the sinner!
May 01 01:34:23 <fireun> gonna burn it heeeyall
May 01 01:35:16 * fireun says all this while listening to dark, dark metal. the kind that gives rots souls
May 01 01:38:34 <fireun> norweigen or swedish most likely
May 01 01:40:00 <zakkm> fak
May 01 01:40:15 <zakkm> ah, sorry
May 01 01:41:05 <fireun> thats correctly spelled "frak" my good sir
May 01 01:43:52 <zakkm> no i was typing the end of a password, and then irc popped up and i didnt look, so part of it appeared in this chat
May 01 01:46:32 <AndrewFBlack> ahh haa I know your password now
May 01 02:07:38 <elninja__> Is it really necessary to charge the n810 completely to full before flashing?
May 01 02:09:19 <AndrewFBlack> no
May 01 02:14:20 <Macer> argh!
May 01 02:14:22 <Macer> fucking vbox
May 01 02:24:43 <z4chh> it is taking a lot of time and work to get my n810 running how i want, it sure is fun though :D
May 01 02:33:52 <luke-jr_> z4chh: taking me longer
May 01 02:33:54 <luke-jr_> :p
May 01 02:38:52 <z4chh> i tried pulling an all nighter on a research paper...didn't happen at all....without even trying last night, i pulled an all nighter hacking my tablet
May 01 02:40:50 <luke-jr_> hacking is logicakl
May 01 02:40:55 <luke-jr_> research papers are not
May 01 02:40:58 <luke-jr_> :D
May 01 02:43:51 <z4chh> my n800 isn't getting much love lately :\
May 01 02:44:10 <luke-jr_> z4chh: want to send it to me? I can use it ;P
May 01 02:44:41 <z4chh> luke-jr_, i still love her, i just got a new baby who gets all the attention atm ;p
May 01 02:44:42 <luke-jr_> don't let NPS get you for neglect!
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