**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun May 03 02:59:58 2009 May 03 03:22:36 i'm back May 03 03:41:40 hi, does anyone use penguintv? May 03 03:55:47 b-man: hi b-mean May 03 03:55:57 hello May 03 03:55:59 lol May 03 03:56:08 ~lulz May 03 03:56:10 * infobot did it for da lulz May 03 03:56:46 ~dies May 03 03:56:47 i do? May 03 03:56:51 yes May 03 03:57:05 lulz May 03 03:57:16 rofl May 03 03:57:24 hello xnt aka b-mean May 03 03:57:28 :P May 03 03:57:28 XD May 03 03:57:32 xD May 03 03:58:18 ~burn b-mean May 03 03:58:18 * infobot pours gasoline all over b-mean, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze May 03 03:58:23 XD May 03 03:59:07 ~attack b-man May 03 03:59:08 * infobot grabs a pen, screams like she's possessed, and begins chasing b-man May 03 03:59:17 ~nuke b-mean May 03 03:59:18 * infobot prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at b-mean ... B☢☢M! May 03 03:59:24 xD May 03 03:59:36 ~die May 03 03:59:36 * infobot takes two shots to the head and crumples to the ground, lifeless. May 03 03:59:43 ]y xnt May 03 03:59:52 ~stab b-mean May 03 03:59:53 * infobot runs at b-mean with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut. May 03 03:59:59 :D May 03 04:00:02 bot abusers May 03 04:00:08 lol May 03 04:00:12 lol May 03 04:00:15 ~stab himself May 03 04:00:16 * infobot runs at himself with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut. May 03 04:00:26 * xnt wants his own infobot May 03 04:00:32 XD May 03 04:00:37 frobot May 03 04:00:44 ~infobot May 03 04:00:46 infobot is, like, [infobot], or infobot, or likes abuse May 03 04:00:52 :P May 03 04:00:54 my N810 is a portable pocket warmer while it compiles GCC! May 03 04:01:08 mine is too lol May 03 04:01:10 lmao May 03 04:01:13 yikes May 03 04:01:26 what temps does it go upto May 03 04:01:48 ~stab everyone and everything like a mad man May 03 04:01:49 * infobot runs at everyone and everything like a mad man with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut. May 03 04:01:50 it needs a label: CAREFUL: avoid direct skin contact while compiling code! May 03 04:01:59 :P May 03 04:02:00 lol May 03 04:02:01 b-man: hurry up May 03 04:02:39 ~screw May 03 04:02:39 * infobot takes out his screw driver and screws b-mean right up May 03 04:02:48 WTF? May 03 04:02:50 woh May 03 04:03:06 O.O May 03 04:03:12 ~screw luke-jr May 03 04:03:13 * infobot asks luke-jr to bend over May 03 04:03:19 lol May 03 04:03:24 * luke-jr charges infobot with first degree sexual assault of a child. May 03 04:03:26 well thats cultured May 03 04:03:37 OK, enough bot abuse. May 03 04:03:40 lolololol May 03 04:03:48 ok May 03 04:03:55 * xnt wants xntbot May 03 04:04:26 GeneralAntilles: come play with us in #anime ? :p May 03 04:08:24 hi May 03 04:08:39 konichiwa May 03 04:08:43 :P May 03 04:08:47 go to #anime May 03 04:08:56 ~screw everyone May 03 04:08:57 * infobot asks everyone to bend over May 03 04:09:03 omfg lol May 03 04:09:21 rofl May 03 04:11:33 rofl May 03 04:11:58 ~kill yandere May 03 04:11:59 * infobot shoots a ionized fluxquark gun at yandere May 03 04:12:02 i win May 03 04:12:04 :P May 03 04:12:07 lol May 03 04:12:51 ~rape yandere May 03 04:12:52 * infobot takes yandere behind the WallMart and makes a few grunts and screams May 03 04:12:55 lol May 03 04:13:33 WTF :P May 03 04:14:18 r.i.p #maemo May 03 04:14:33 lol? May 03 04:14:43 b-man, enough. May 03 04:14:44 LOL May 03 04:14:54 ok, i'm done :) May 03 04:16:30 xntbot: lol May 03 04:16:57 (hack b-man May 03 04:17:08 * xntbot hacks up b-man's acer May 03 04:17:32 * b-man 's screen flickers May 03 04:18:25 * b-man sees a error message from xntbot May 03 04:18:29 lol jk May 03 04:18:42 (take lm b-man May 03 04:18:55 * xntbot takes b-man's lunch money May 03 04:19:08 (take lm xnt May 03 04:19:24 Command Ignored May 03 04:19:28 (buy lol May 03 04:19:28 lol May 03 04:19:38 Lol out of stock May 03 04:21:28 (take nt b-man May 03 04:21:49 you two better hope GeneralAntilles can't gain op ;) May 03 04:21:49 * b-man downloads and installs infobot May 03 04:22:06 http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=2241 May 03 04:22:10 * xntbot rips b-man's Nokia Internet TabletTM right out of brians hands May 03 04:22:24 GeneralAntilles: we'll see about RX51 d-pad and buttons. if they're not suitable for gaming, i'm finished. May 03 04:22:25 lol May 03 04:22:35 luke-jr wait does this count against my bots too? May 03 04:22:44 n810 is a bust in that department, unfortunately May 03 04:23:26 nokia better add that because better gpu = better games May 03 04:23:47 xnt: http://voxel.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/infobot/infobot-1.5.3.tar.gz May 03 04:24:03 ;) May 03 04:24:46 hmm May 03 04:24:54 my N810 seems to lose wifi connection when it gets hot enough May 03 04:25:00 ( destroy / May 03 04:25:10 (rm -rf / May 03 04:25:23 * xntbot destroys / (rm -rf /) May 03 04:25:30 DO NOT RUN THAT!!! May 03 04:25:35 :P May 03 04:25:50 xnt: too late, why? May 03 04:26:04 lol fail May 03 04:26:10 rm: cannot remove root directory `/' May 03 04:26:16 brb May 03 04:26:17 DONT RUN THAT May 03 04:26:30 xnt: it just errors May 03 04:26:36 it deletes everything May 03 04:26:41 nope May 03 04:26:43 just errors May 03 04:26:52 * xnt slaps his forehead May 03 04:26:54 if you run it as user on a maemo devices May 03 04:26:57 not if you run rm -f /* May 03 04:27:03 ;) May 03 04:27:07 you dont get access to root do you May 03 04:27:39 luke-jr seriously don't run that May 03 04:27:42 Shadow__X: -r is dangerous ;) May 03 04:27:45 xnt: seriously I did May 03 04:27:50 but not on N810 May 03 04:27:54 on desktop May 03 04:28:05 -r is recursive -f is force May 03 04:28:13 exactly May 03 04:28:34 and --preserve-root is nice May 03 04:28:36 be careful with rm commands May 03 04:28:38 * pupnik first rm'd by accident in 1988 May 03 04:28:45 luke-jr, i know what it does i also know that some repos are flaky and if you upgrade using apt it will delete your mounted share May 03 04:28:47 * xnt has never rm'd May 03 04:29:03 pupnik, just get a Pandora then help out Mer. May 03 04:29:03 * xnt nevers rms on his ipod May 03 04:29:08 it bricks May 03 04:29:09 it May 03 04:29:36 * luke-jr rms xnt's ipod May 03 04:30:11 * xnt 's ipod it off (drained battery from listening to music all day May 03 04:31:41 brb May 03 04:33:03 GeneralAntilles, whens the eta for the pandora May 03 04:33:23 Shadow__X, maybe sometime in 2012 as far as I can tell. May 03 04:33:35 pupnik: let's design our own Free software handheld? ;) May 03 04:33:46 Shadow__X: I think Pandora is vapourware May 03 04:33:57 hmm but shouldnt the new tablet be better May 03 04:34:04 for everything other than gaming May 03 04:34:15 Shadow__X, than? May 03 04:34:38 pandora will be better for games May 03 04:34:44 all the buttons May 03 04:35:37 Depends on the games. May 03 04:35:45 Accelerometers will be nice for a few of them. May 03 04:36:12 eh May 03 04:36:17 right hmm would that give an iphone type feel May 03 04:36:30 I'd really dig a marble-maze style game. May 03 04:36:42 like Marble Madness? May 03 04:36:46 Yeah May 03 04:36:55 maybe a simpler one May 03 04:37:02 marble madness made heavy use of trackball May 03 04:37:11 GeneralAntilles: like Neverball? May 03 04:37:13 you wouldn't just want to tilt to get super speed May 03 04:37:18 yeah neverball would be perfect May 03 04:37:28 pupnik: I've played Neverball with my Thinkpad May 03 04:37:33 it has accelerometers May 03 04:37:43 which thinkpad? May 03 04:38:04 I forget May 03 04:38:07 it's long broken May 03 04:38:26 almost all thinkpads have accelerators May 03 04:38:50 not my t42p, a30, a21, or the 486 based ones May 03 04:38:52 http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Active_Protection_System May 03 04:38:57 those are ANCIENT May 03 04:38:57 ? May 03 04:40:06 actually, t42 should have it May 03 04:40:14 hmm maybe u right May 03 04:40:25 2ghz is fast enough btw May 03 04:41:10 and the 14.1 form factor is much more pleasant than these big honkin notebooks May 03 04:41:14 imo May 03 04:41:32 i mean, i need room for coffee and ashtray May 03 04:42:38 Hi, anyone have issues with penguintv not starting at all? May 03 04:43:54 http://pastebin.com/f7dffe5c6 May 03 04:44:32 anyone know what that error could be? May 03 04:48:37 * xnt has an imb thinkpad r32 :P May 03 04:48:39 * ibm May 03 04:48:54 i have a IBM z50 \o/ May 03 04:48:56 MIPS Thinkpad! May 03 04:49:17 Ö May 03 04:49:54 I have a sliderule! May 03 04:49:58 neener May 03 04:50:40 * xnt has a TI-89 when he was in the 7th grade May 03 04:50:43 BUT IS IT MIPS⁈ May 03 04:50:48 * + titanium May 03 04:50:56 68k May 03 04:51:02 Which is much cooler than MIPS May 03 04:51:08 no wai May 03 04:51:28 * xnt had an old intel dos server as a first comp May 03 04:51:48 *cough* May 03 04:51:51 I was raised by a Z80 May 03 04:51:57 cant recall the cpu May 03 04:52:10 :P May 03 04:52:12 lol May 03 04:52:17 lol May 03 04:52:48 * fireun was raised by an HP-85 May 03 04:53:28 * IceFox had an Point of sale workstation as a first linux (redhat) comp May 03 04:55:36 wtf May 03 04:55:38 lol May 03 04:56:13 lol May 03 04:56:29 lol May 03 04:56:43 lloll May 03 04:56:54 :P May 03 04:57:02 XD May 03 04:57:19 identity theft! alert! alarm! actung! May 03 04:57:27 I CAN HAZ N800 May 03 04:57:33 :p May 03 04:57:43 lol May 03 04:57:57 lol May 03 04:58:13 omfg May 03 04:58:15 spammers May 03 04:58:19 ~seen b-man May 03 04:58:22 b-man was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 2m 46s ago, saying: 'wtf'. May 03 04:58:26 lol May 03 04:58:30 ok ill stop May 03 04:58:57 * xnt14 is done May 03 04:59:02 damn #anime and #mer looks like crap May 03 04:59:14 long list of nick changes May 03 04:59:25 LOL May 03 04:59:34 haha!!! May 03 04:59:50 ok i really am 14 so ill take xnt14 May 03 05:01:10 kids May 03 05:01:40 バカ jk May 03 05:01:50 hehe May 03 05:01:58 oops May 03 05:01:58 愚か者 May 03 05:02:04 jk May 03 05:02:35 luke-jr is a 愚か者 May 03 05:02:39 jk May 03 05:02:41 lol May 03 05:02:42 ()$*@#%*Q@_^ May 03 05:02:46 lol May 03 05:02:48 ROFL May 03 05:03:01 luke-jr did you read that? May 03 05:03:02 ROFL!!!!!! May 03 05:03:04 no May 03 05:03:10 xD May 03 05:03:22 http://translate.google.com/translate_t?hl=en#ja|en|%E6%84%9A%E3%81%8B%E8%80%85 May 03 05:03:48 lol May 03 05:03:50 * xnt14 imagines the look on luke-jr's face when he reads that May 03 05:04:04 xnt14: s/when/if/ May 03 05:04:08 I have no intention to May 03 05:04:17 :P May 03 05:04:18 ok May 03 05:04:58 ルーク-ジュニア素晴らしいです... May 03 05:05:04 ファック!ファック! May 03 05:05:19 ok that didn't translate right May 03 05:05:45 lol May 03 05:06:14 * b-man16 時計ルーク-ジュニア死ぬ May 03 05:08:09 ~ルークを殺す-ジュニア May 03 05:12:40 luke-jr doesn't come out right throgh google translate May 03 05:13:08 <_> neither does b-man May 03 05:13:24 where are the configurationfiles of the webbrowser located? May 03 05:13:28 May 03 05:13:28 b-homem no May 03 05:14:15 radic_ : /home/user/.mozilla I think May 03 05:14:25 yup May 03 05:14:39 b-man translate May 03 05:14:39 b-homem no May 03 05:14:57 lol May 03 05:16:26 xnt14: look at #anime lol May 03 05:16:45 nooo!!! May 03 05:36:35 Is it possible to get flash version 10 on the n810? May 03 05:43:24 my new samsung mp3 player runs on linux + sdl, mmuless kernel May 03 05:43:36 pretty cheap, slim May 03 05:47:09 morning kaltsi :) May 03 06:10:24 radic_: which "configuration files" for the web browser? May 03 06:10:48 the web browser ui is controlled by a couple of other files, the core is mostly in the directory previously mentioned May 03 06:10:57 but we also pay attn to some gconf settings May 03 06:11:30 timeless_mbp: I solved the problem May 03 06:11:53 jmob: if you pay adobe $$$$$$$$$$ and then work on it, sure May 03 06:12:03 otherwise, not really May 03 06:12:14 morning timeless_mbp May 03 06:12:29 really it's more like (very) late evening, but hello there :) May 03 06:12:30 Doesnt it exist for linux? May 03 06:12:34 for arm? May 03 06:12:43 can i have whatever you're smoking? May 03 06:12:49 Oh, right, arm... May 03 06:13:09 to the extent that it exists for arm, it's mostly because nokia is paying adobe and working w/ adobe on it May 03 06:13:13 Adobe is incapable of compiling for other archs... May 03 06:13:17 no May 03 06:13:31 it's just not quite the same priority May 03 06:13:46 it can work on arm, but if you want it to work fast on strange hardwares May 03 06:13:48 well.... May 03 06:13:57 the first problem should be obvious May 03 06:14:17 flash itself is reasonably portable May 03 06:14:27 but what matters to users isn't really portability May 03 06:14:37 it's performance (battery life, speed) May 03 06:15:03 I dont quite understand the barriers though, why is compiling for other archs so hard if their code is well written/tested May 03 06:15:14 sadly video decoders written in C don't magically become fast on random platforms May 03 06:15:36 especially when you're asked to use a really lame version of a C compiler May 03 06:15:55 but really, if you want to be a consumer, and you sound like one May 03 06:15:58 please don't wonder here May 03 06:16:03 you aren't paying me enough May 03 06:16:03 What does maemo require? May 03 06:16:16 consumers pay for products that work well May 03 06:16:38 but engineers aren't paid by consumers to listen to them complain about random products May 03 06:17:14 otoh, if you give me 1kEUR i'll be your consultant and listen to you whine for ... hrm, 5 hours :) May 03 06:17:24 True enough... May 03 06:17:38 I am a consumer in this case May 03 06:17:45 * timeless_mbp noticed May 03 06:18:20 Otoh, you continue to respond to my "whining" May 03 06:18:44 * timeless_mbp is stupid May 03 06:19:00 (That was meant in jesting manner) May 03 06:19:31 Doesnt omap include some hardware acceleration aimed at video decoding? May 03 06:20:38 those things don't work out of the box May 03 06:21:14 there aren't C primitives for them, and since you don't use them when you write code for x86/x64/ppc, you actually have to write and test new code May 03 06:21:29 this is where the claim of "if your code is so portable, why... " falls apart May 03 06:21:50 the n8x0s have a DSP too May 03 06:22:13 but again, those aren't standard items you find in x86 hardware May 03 06:22:15 Right, just "wondering", sorry (-: May 03 06:22:20 so again, you have to write and test May 03 06:22:31 and as it happens, it seems that each DSP is different May 03 06:22:38 so it isn't write once, it's write per device May 03 06:22:58 (or perhaps device class if you claim the n800 and n810 are different devices in the same class) May 03 06:23:45 Hopefully that'll be getting better soon. May 03 06:23:49 * timeless_mbp chuckles May 03 06:23:51 yeah right May 03 06:24:01 With slightly more standardized DSP software May 03 06:24:01 oh, and this stuff is hardly standard stuff that any random programmer can just do May 03 06:24:19 you get to read lots of technical specifications, contact the vendors to ask questions May 03 06:24:23 GAN: Standardized across OMAP3 line :) May 03 06:24:25 and then you deal w/ reality which includes bugs May 03 06:24:26 OpenMAX LOOKS to be moving in a positive direction. May 03 06:24:52 RST38h, better than every vendor rolling their own for OMAP2. ;) May 03 06:25:00 Well, presumably there's certain "pivot" points in the code such that not everything has to be rewritten... May 03 06:25:11 * RST38h thought TI was the only vendor of OMAP2. Missed something? =) May 03 06:25:15 jmob: mostly it's just the video decoders May 03 06:25:27 but it isn't *one* decoder May 03 06:25:31 it's one for each codec May 03 06:25:39 since they all need to be fast May 03 06:25:43 RST38h, DSP software implementation. May 03 06:25:46 well.. ok, we might not give you all of them May 03 06:25:54 but anyway, that's the idea May 03 06:26:06 GAN: Ah, that... May 03 06:26:13 adobe could probably ship a flash10 for the n800/n810 w/o support for Videos May 03 06:26:16 but they wouldn't May 03 06:26:21 and they wouldn't let anyone else May 03 06:26:30 (it'd fail the certification requirements) May 03 06:26:36 and no consumer would want it May 03 06:26:48 Flash == YouTube May 03 06:26:59 There's at least one that would May 03 06:27:08 * timeless_mbp is shocked May 03 06:27:20 what could you possibly need from flash10 that doesn't include video? May 03 06:28:09 Oh, you said w/o video, i retract my previous statement May 03 06:29:44 http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/gizmodo/2009/05/Picture_10_610x386.png May 03 06:29:49 Ehhehe... May 03 06:30:39 Neither Nokia nor SE are included though. Weird. May 03 06:32:20 http://www.jdpower.com/corporate/news/releases/pressrelease.aspx?ID=2009082 <=== Nokia does show up in "dumb phones" category. I wonder how they did that survey... May 03 06:57:13 . May 03 07:07:53 Read Thomas Woods' "Meltdown" to understand the cause of the crisis. May 03 07:07:55 http://www.amazon.com/Meltdown-Free-Market-Collapsed-Government-Bailouts/dp/1596985879 May 03 07:07:58 "It is curious that Congress is on the verge of passing an economic stimulus bill that is opposed by nearly two thirds of Americans. Mr. Woods provides the logic behind the intuition of this increasingly disenfranchised majority. Americans opposed to further government meddling should read this book to fully arm themselves with the knowledge necessary to win the debate. Well-intentioned Americans who support government intervention in the economy should May 03 07:13:01 Well, opposed != wrong May 03 07:13:28 Just means that if these gentlemen fuck up, they can forget about being reelected. May 03 07:17:12 let's not debate economics or politics here, please. :) May 03 07:19:12 roope: Should we discuss the new ITT theme instead then? =) May 03 07:19:16 * RST38h cackles evilly May 03 07:28:34 Well, my opinions on it could really start an argument, so perhaps not. :) May 03 07:29:31 * RST38h hands out huge plastic happy face masks to everyone then May 03 07:31:12 * Vulcanis puts on happyface mask. May 03 07:31:13 Voil! In view, a humble vaudevillian veteran, cast vicariously as both victim and villain by the vicissitudes of Fate. This visage, no mere veneer of vanity, is a vestige of the vox populi, now vacant, vanished. However, this valorous visitation of a by-gone vexation, stands vivified and has vowed to vanquish these venal and virulent vermin van-guarding vice and vouchsafing the violently vicious and voracious violation of volition. May 03 07:31:39 The only verdict is vengeance; a vendetta, held as a votive, not in vain, for the value and veracity of such shall one day vindicate the vigilant and the virtuous. May 03 07:31:48 Verily, this vichyssoise of verbiage veers most verbose, so let me simply add that it's my very good honor to meet you and you may call me Vulcanis. May 03 07:35:17 if the world's governments continue in this fashion, we may see such a decline in civilization as to make maemo irrelevant May 03 07:35:34 i would ask you to consider whether you are seeing this already May 03 07:36:24 maemo won't be irrelivant, you can... organize your... revolution.. on it May 03 07:36:41 anybody got a graph for commits, bug reports, updates, new releases over the past 3 years? May 03 07:38:26 Of everything or just Maemo? May 03 07:41:09 maemo May 03 07:41:23 Steady increase, I'd say. May 03 07:41:29 With a spike over the past year or so. May 03 07:45:26 good morning =) May 03 07:46:41 nice May 03 07:46:58 I definitely know Maemo SW has be hiring like crazy. May 03 07:47:48 i've seen that it's possible to send a2dp from an n800 to a compatible headset etc. but is it possible for a computer to send a2dp TO the n800 that plays the sounds on its small speakers? May 03 07:48:16 Yes, we're hiring like crazy. May 03 07:48:24 Mostly to Finland, unfortunately. May 03 07:49:40 Hope some real fruit from that hiring will be coming sooner rather than later, though. :( May 03 07:50:46 Yeah, obviously it takes some time from hiring to learning the ropes to doing work for products to the products coming out. May 03 07:52:44 Finland is good. May 03 07:53:32 * RST38h suspects that Nokia does have a secret plan on Maemo in phones then. Otherwise, there would be no reason for hiring that many people May 03 07:53:51 RST38h: way to silence roope :) May 03 07:54:10 Yeah. :) May 03 07:54:18 Yeah to the silencing, that is. :) May 03 07:54:18 pupnik: ohloh.net :) May 03 07:54:28 * pupnik clicks May 03 07:54:37 RST38h: finland is evil May 03 07:54:45 finland kicks ass May 03 07:54:50 my ass May 03 07:54:57 did you see their kill ratio in their war with russia? May 03 07:55:00 crazy May 03 07:55:43 Yeah... We sure like to kill Russians... May 03 07:55:47 (another very good topic ;) May 03 07:57:09 technically we hired a handful of people in the bay area May 03 07:57:16 one hand that is May 03 07:57:56 keeping with the "no numbers" policy, timeless could be referring to a centipede. May 03 07:58:13 (well that made no sense whatsoever). May 03 07:58:18 indeed not May 03 07:58:21 Oh it makes perfect sense May 03 07:58:29 but i'm not really certain how many names fit in one hand May 03 07:58:35 so roope is technically correct May 03 07:58:43 Bay area. Centipede. May 03 08:01:26 * RST38h is trying to make binary translator backtrack and set sane branch addresses May 03 08:08:05 Anyone remembers if x86 has conditional jumps to address given in a register May 03 08:13:44 Naah it does not =( May 03 08:15:27 hey, can you guys get horizontal scrolling to work with hildon pannable? May 03 08:15:41 http://maemo.org/api_refs/5.0/beta/tutorial/html/x368.html like in this example it should work May 03 08:15:54 but i only can scroll vertical May 03 08:16:33 oh it shouldnt scroll vertical by default? May 03 08:16:49 horizontal i mean May 03 08:17:09 it should not May 03 08:17:22 Appears to be a vertically scrollable list May 03 08:19:56 yeah it needs HILDON_MOVEMENT_MODE_BOTH to be set May 03 08:20:41 but it says on the bottom of that page, "In this example, horizontal and vertical panning are activated as that is needed to allow users to be able to interact both all the widgets." May 03 08:27:15 a buggy example in beta documentation, wow May 03 08:27:23 if the text is wrong, please file a bug :) May 03 08:27:27 they crave feedback May 03 08:27:40 :) May 03 08:44:40 any application for copy website localy iam on diablo instead chinook? May 03 08:48:17 hello all, does tear have config file somewhere? i would like to set where to save folder May 03 08:49:16 any application for copy website localy iam on diablo instead chinook? May 03 08:51:34 user__: wget? May 03 08:51:59 wget? May 03 08:52:01 wget -k -r website.address May 03 08:52:06 how can i write the degree-char? May 03 08:52:26 if i remember rightly May 03 08:53:02 first have to install wget May 03 08:53:34 sudo apt-get install wget May 03 08:54:13 i don't know if you have to have extras repository May 03 08:54:47 no is not in the extra May 03 08:55:26 Stskeeps: you are there? May 03 08:55:26 its source or a .deb May 03 08:55:31 qwerty12: in what repo is wget? May 03 08:55:44 please May 03 08:55:56 http://maemo.org/development/tools/ May 03 08:56:08 thanx May 03 08:56:10 every go May 03 08:56:17 tx qwerty May 03 08:56:22 and thux May 03 08:57:05 qwerty12: can you say me how too wriite special chars like the degree symbol? May 03 08:57:37 Dunno, I just use the symbols input on the VKB if I need to use symbols May 03 08:57:38 "Merck created a phony, but real sounding, peer-review journal titled the 'Australasian Journal of Bone and Joint Medicine' to publish data favorable to its products" May 03 09:02:42 some websites are quite large remembered pulling easily 500mb with wget -k -r May 03 09:03:49 some can disable wget if no phony broser header is not set May 03 09:04:10 browser May 03 09:09:41 that is easy to work around though :) May 03 09:10:22 qwerty12: is not on the software keybord May 03 09:10:58 It's always fun to run wget --recursive to get a folder while, all the time, you forgot --no-parent May 03 09:11:59 some sysadmin downloaded ms-site with wget May 03 09:12:28 apparently large May 03 09:17:48 microsoft site is really bad for saving - they destroy links after just a few months instead of planning for the future May 03 09:18:24 the number of times i click results and stuff and end up on dead "this page fucked off" holding page is terrible May 03 09:19:00 ok May 03 09:21:24 lcuk: can i get you to look at a random C change? May 03 09:22:42 with what? May 03 09:22:48 ignore the what May 03 09:22:52 ok May 03 09:22:55 the goal is to change the code w/o changing the logic May 03 09:23:04 as long as you dont want me rebuilding the linux kernel lol May 03 09:23:34 query lcuk May 03 09:23:45 no, don't build anything May 03 09:24:00 just read it and tell me if you see any way that the code's old and new behavior could be different May 03 09:24:17 assume that arrays are not going to change while the code is running and that functions will behave rationally May 03 09:24:43 alright, gimme a few May 03 09:25:14 what's great is when you click links in the WinXP interface and those are broken too May 03 09:28:47 how download in mmc1 whit wget? May 03 09:29:21 cd in mmc1 May 03 09:29:24 timeless, your new check "" while(i!=0) "" is different to the old method which would continue while ""i>=0"" May 03 09:30:08 ? May 03 09:30:08 i make it but download in / May 03 09:30:16 the old method used a for loop May 03 09:30:24 with i >= 0 && some other things May 03 09:30:27 user__: cd /media/mmc1 May 03 09:30:44 your new one continues looping only while (i!=0) May 03 09:30:47 yes May 03 09:30:56 right May 03 09:31:04 so you will miss the final char May 03 09:31:12 or first char whichever way its working May 03 09:31:17 will it? May 03 09:31:18 * timeless_mbp looks May 03 09:31:48 but after the downld go in / instead /media/mcc1 May 03 09:32:13 i prefer the readability of the while() loop over the complex for(;;) block :) May 03 09:32:36 lcuk: so, if the string is 0 long, it will return false, right? May 03 09:32:51 and then the only question is what it thinks about the first char in the string... May 03 09:32:55 hmmm you also start from one character further along in the new block May 03 09:33:02 user__: are you in /media/mmc1 what say pwd? May 03 09:33:18 old: PRInt32 i = pos - 1; May 03 09:33:23 new: PRUint32 i = pos; May 03 09:33:47 the answer is, yes you have changed the logic and its different :P May 03 09:33:53 yeah, ok... May 03 09:33:58 * timeless_mbp sighs and tries to fix May 03 09:34:11 timeless, ive been working with these damned +- 1 adjustments all year ;) May 03 09:34:37 this kind of logic makes liqbase show graphical glitches and drawing too much or too little May 03 09:34:41 they are annoyingto fix May 03 09:34:44 yes iam in and sudo May 03 09:35:07 strange May 03 09:35:50 qwerty12: ain't wget should download in working directory? May 03 09:36:10 it should do as far as I am aware May 03 09:36:24 timeless, also if you want me to glance over stuff - i cant read patch files well, i broke it into the 2 final pieces and put them side by side May 03 09:36:43 would -y be better? May 03 09:36:59 i dunno im not a patch machine lol May 03 09:37:20 i didnt know that codebase was in c++ thou May 03 09:37:26 user__: i try it myself if you wait May 03 09:37:52 ok tx for generous help May 03 09:38:23 tick tock - amazing clock designs: http://www.darkroastedblend.com/2009/05/extraordinary-clocks-and-watches.html May 03 09:38:25 Hey guys. I just got my N800, so I don't know if it should be this way, but is my E71 supposed to access my wifi connection faster than my E71? May 03 09:38:37 *sorry, than my N800? May 03 09:38:54 * lcuk erases the witty comment he was typing May 03 09:39:17 Bobbe, dunno what have you noticed speed wise May 03 09:39:32 Bobbe: define access? May 03 09:40:22 Well, I just tried using the youtube website from my E71, from Canola and from the N800 browser May 03 09:40:26 Canola is the slowest by far May 03 09:40:31 the N800 fares very well May 03 09:40:39 but I see the wifi more responsive to the E71 May 03 09:40:55 see.. wifi is a service May 03 09:41:02 user__: i got the page in mmc1 when wget -k -r http://somepage.org i didn't use sudo May 03 09:41:27 I have to use my 3g modem and share it with my router over wifi via ICS (modem doesn't work on Linux, trust me, I tried) May 03 09:42:37 so I keep looking at the connection icons in my tray (all of them, there are three actually), and when I access something on the internet with my E71, the moment I open the browser the connection lights flash and I see them working May 03 09:43:12 with the N800 the connection flashes quickly, turns off, waits 2 or 3 seconds, then launches again, but not as fast May 03 09:43:18 does that make any sense? May 03 09:43:34 difference in browser engine maybe May 03 09:44:30 I dunno, but it doesn't seem like it. The same thing happens with loads of different apps May 03 09:45:06 hello May 03 09:45:17 morning AStorm May 03 09:45:26 whatever tries to access my wifi from the N800 seems to be having a hard time doing it. Could it be related to some config in my router? Something about the channel, or some other config? May 03 09:45:44 try disabling power saving and see if it helps May 03 09:45:49 sadly, i can't think of *any* apps which can be used for benchmarking May 03 09:45:52 i got it tx May 03 09:45:56 because the platforms are so different May 03 09:46:11 yeah that's true May 03 09:46:22 maybe trying to download a given file May 03 09:46:38 Stskeeps, so, it mostly works May 03 09:46:49 what do I have to install to get the adv. battery monitor? May 03 09:47:03 (urls, repo urls wanted) May 03 09:47:06 how do I disable power save? May 03 09:47:19 AStorm: qwerty12 probably knows May 03 09:47:22 ~wifi-psm May 03 09:47:23 wifi-psm is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/Wifi_Power_Saving_Mode_(PSM) May 03 09:47:25 -> Bobbe May 03 09:47:34 yes, in Maemo, it's in connection options May 03 09:47:44 just below transmitter power May 03 09:47:46 k lemme try May 03 09:48:00 warning - this *will* drain battery May 03 09:48:11 and if i want just one kind of file downld in website? May 03 09:49:07 Bobbe: trying to download a file may test browser behaviors more than network behavior May 03 09:49:46 hm, how so? May 03 09:49:59 Is mov dword ptr ,edx prohibited ??? May 03 09:51:18 * timeless_mbp shrugs May 03 09:52:52 RST38h, in ARM? May 03 09:52:57 ah, no x86 May 03 09:53:03 AStorm: Of course not, x86 May 03 09:53:06 ptr can't go through immediate May 03 09:53:26 it has to go via one of CS, SS May 03 09:53:38 and then SP,BP May 03 09:54:01 you probably want EDP May 03 09:54:15 grr tpyos May 03 09:54:16 What is EDP? May 03 09:54:19 :) EBP May 03 09:54:22 register May 03 09:54:40 All I want is mov dword ptr MAGICKEY,edx when MAGICKEY is a 32bit field May 03 09:54:56 Really weird that MASM does not let this through May 03 09:55:17 then why ptr? May 03 09:55:24 immediate operand not allowed May 03 09:55:30 mmmm May 03 09:55:31 ptr means "pointing to memory" May 03 09:55:41 drop it and just bump the immediate value May 03 09:55:44 because MAGICKEY points to memory? May 03 09:55:57 it doesn't, if it's an ASM const. May 03 09:56:16 other than that, you have to go via stack registers May 03 09:56:25 I have to do WHAT??? May 03 09:56:35 mov that to EBP May 03 09:56:51 then mov dword ptr EBP, EDX May 03 09:57:14 * RST38h gives up on AStorm May 03 09:57:53 you can't move immediate ptr to EDX directly, that's why May 03 09:59:09 this is MASM, so it's intel syntax, yes May 03 09:59:39 hmm, going through ESI should work too May 03 09:59:51 I am not moving anything to EDX May 03 10:00:11 I am moving EDX to a 32bit memory location pointed to by MAGICKEY May 03 10:00:15 ah, so *again* I mistook the order May 03 10:00:31 And, of course, I can use ANY register for the dest address not just EBP May 03 10:00:40 * AStorm wants to kill AT&T and Intel May 03 10:00:58 yes, in extended mode, sorry for the confusion, too much 16-bit recently May 03 10:01:17 The real question is why the hell I can't use an immediate address.... May 03 10:01:37 shouldn't that be @MAGICKEY or such? May 03 10:02:50 again AT&T, meh May 03 10:02:54 this should be [MAGICKEY] May 03 10:02:56 :) May 03 10:03:34 or mov dword ptr offset MAGICKEY, EDX May 03 10:03:40 I got rusty with Intel syntax May 03 10:03:47 one or the other should work May 03 10:05:44 dword ptr MAGICKEY show do the job. May 03 10:05:59 s/show/should May 03 10:06:12 I think yes May 03 10:06:17 no idea why it doesn't May 03 10:06:26 what does MAGICKEY point to? May 03 10:07:40 if you did to [MAGICKEY], you'll write to the contents of it... May 03 10:08:00 s/ll/d/ May 03 10:08:00 AStorm meant: if you did to [MAGICKEY], you'd write to the contents of it... May 03 10:08:45 mhm, no, to the location it points to May 03 10:08:49 Ok there's definitely something wrong May 03 10:08:50 which is what you want May 03 10:09:18 my 3g connection (600kbps) is loading faster than my 2mbps wifi May 03 10:09:52 Bobbe, does it happen with other connections? May 03 10:09:56 I mean, wifi May 03 10:10:27 I could only test with the one at work May 03 10:10:37 and that is some slow connection May 03 10:10:39 could never tell May 03 10:11:08 maybe I messed something up with my router config? May 03 10:11:45 hard to mess up so bad May 03 10:11:55 but if it's going at 2Mbps, then it's definitely broken May 03 10:12:05 probably packet loss May 03 10:12:12 3G is resilient OTOH May 03 10:13:30 TRUE May 03 10:13:31 sorry May 03 10:13:32 true May 03 10:13:52 how can I test/fix this/ May 03 10:13:52 ? May 03 10:14:01 try a different router? May 03 10:14:06 maybe it's the damn ICS thing? May 03 10:14:18 nah, ICS works well... May 03 10:14:46 Some chinese web design studio continues spamming me and the WANT a response May 03 10:15:20 spamback? May 03 10:15:22 Poor annoying suckers... May 03 10:15:31 Yea, that may be a good idea in this case May 03 10:25:13 is there a network activity applet for maemo? May 03 10:25:57 there's in Connection info in the app menu or something May 03 10:26:37 in the menu and control panel too May 03 10:27:22 thx May 03 10:36:32 I wonder if anyone have tried to use cdma evdo usb modem with n810? May 03 10:37:08 sure, people did May 03 10:37:28 the problem is that you have to carry the cable May 03 10:37:38 and powered hub too May 03 10:37:47 (as evdo modems need full 500 mA) May 03 10:38:16 AStorm: ok thanks. the power might be the biggest issue. May 03 10:40:17 one option, I was thinkin is to use n810 or 770 as wan connection. eg. Internet - CDMA modem - 770 - router - PC :) May 03 10:41:21 I'm currently using openwrt router with usb-port, but that could be another option. May 03 10:42:29 that's crazy talk May 03 10:42:40 it *is* possible, but indeed crazy May 03 10:43:21 for CDMA you still need a powered hub and possibly another external power source (outlet) May 03 10:43:59 well could be. Anyway now the connection is working. I had to put usb-modem to the roof to be able to get an decent connection. using 10m usb-cable is not the best option either, but it works. May 03 11:10:13 yerga, are you around May 03 11:10:39 lcuk, yes I think so May 03 11:10:51 heh, whats your blog page link May 03 11:11:04 yerga.net/blog May 03 11:11:06 ive got someone asking about gtk widgets and what can be included May 03 11:12:09 sampppa, step out of the shadows and ask ffs :D May 03 11:12:11 hey, I messed up root pass in Mer I think May 03 11:12:16 how can I fix this? May 03 11:12:36 same way you fix root password forgetfullness anywhere else May 03 11:13:00 boot single and run passwd? a bit hard :P May 03 11:13:02 my finger looks like ET May 03 11:13:07 yerga: is it possible to put hildon pannablea area in gtkfixed container ? May 03 11:13:25 sampppa, I haven't tested it May 03 11:13:30 but I imagine so May 03 11:13:41 yerga: so that it would work May 03 11:13:44 pannable area is similar to scrollwindow May 03 11:13:50 hildon extensions are just subclassed gtk widgets arent they May 03 11:14:07 ah, I didn't May 03 11:14:09 and scrollwindow works in gtkfixed ? May 03 11:14:12 just wrong kb layout May 03 11:14:18 heh astorm May 03 11:14:31 sampppa, if it doesn't work with a simple 'add' May 03 11:14:41 gory ET finger picture after stitches removed :O http://liqbase.net/finger_macro.jpg May 03 11:14:46 try with 'add_with_viewport' May 03 11:15:28 yerga: ok gonna try May 03 11:15:39 lcuk, aaargh my brain! ;) May 03 11:15:45 sampppa, tell us if it works ;) May 03 11:15:46 lcuk: auch May 03 11:16:55 lcuk: was the trip worth the pain? May 03 11:17:33 absolutely - i had said i would give my right hand to go - i really didnt think nokia would take it literally May 03 11:17:46 heh May 03 11:18:20 :) May 03 11:19:46 jaffa, this week of not really coding has been good as well, when i recover and get going i know what i have to do May 03 11:20:01 yerga, see the Ars article? May 03 11:20:08 GAN800, yes May 03 11:20:16 I'm famous now :P May 03 11:20:21 Hehe May 03 11:20:24 im moving liqbase from the private .git server to maemo garage soon as well May 03 11:24:22 got pix of the hand lcuk? May 03 11:24:30 i just posted it May 03 11:24:39 i see it May 03 11:25:16 looks worse than mine May 03 11:25:34 <- also put hand through a door 2 weeks ago May 03 11:25:41 glass May 03 11:26:02 how did you manage that! May 03 11:26:41 punched the window in May 03 11:27:10 to make a point May 03 11:27:16 :S May 03 11:29:46 pupnik, betting that the glass wasn't fist-proof? :P May 03 11:30:48 twas not mah frieahn May 03 11:30:56 bbl lunch May 03 11:41:22 yerga: yeah it works May 03 11:41:45 sampppa, ok, cool May 03 11:42:44 \o/ nice May 03 11:43:33 yerga: at least if i put hildon pannable area on gtk table and gtktable on gtkfixed May 03 12:07:44 mmmh, Mer has Python 2.6.2 May 03 12:08:10 will we get an update for Chinook/Diablo too? May 03 12:09:10 not sure May 03 12:09:24 mer has python2.6 cos ubuntu has it :P May 03 12:14:16 ok, any todo app I can grab right now? May 03 12:15:02 "osmo", maybe May 03 12:17:34 and there's gtodo too, and other random stuff May 03 12:17:41 I need that list in app manager too May 03 12:18:21 btw, do add less to the next one May 03 12:18:27 next version of Mer May 03 12:18:47 *nod* May 03 12:24:59 hey, it is there, wth? May 03 13:05:25 Stskeeps, maemopad+ change directory dialog is thoroughly broken May 03 13:05:42 we're lacking icons, it's the new hildon file chooser May 03 13:06:27 wow May 03 13:06:37 that pacquiao fight was just a brutal ass kicking May 03 13:06:38 lo macer May 03 13:06:47 hi Stskeeps May 03 13:07:11 hatton got killed and that last punch hurt me and i was only watching it on television May 03 13:07:14 Stskeeps, also, this time it seems adv. backlight exploded May 03 13:07:21 on the reboot May 03 13:07:39 now it doesn't change the backlight level May 03 13:07:48 hmm May 03 13:08:22 i got 'cannot preserve ownership of' when move files to mmc, is it cause of dosfs in mmc? would it be good to format mmcs to ext2? May 03 13:11:42 Stskeeps, more importantly, all hildon-fm is broken May 03 13:11:51 this includes tiny file manager May 03 13:11:58 *nod* May 03 13:12:25 hmmh, and "close this app" applet is missing an icon May 03 13:12:31 add some X or another :) May 03 13:13:40 hmm? the rightmost one? May 03 13:13:54 or the applet you can enable which shouldn't be there in the first place :P May 03 13:14:05 yes, that one, which is excellent usability May 03 13:14:12 *do* fix it :) May 03 13:14:17 just needs an icon or sth May 03 13:14:52 the rightmost one in http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v119/JohnX/?action=view¤t=zaurus-google-maps.png ? May 03 13:15:36 wonder how much i can download before tmob cuts my connection May 03 13:15:48 i should just leave it downloading for like 4 days straight and see what happens May 03 13:34:04 who is muru.com btw? May 03 13:37:21 Stskeeps: try the command "whois muru.com" :9 May 03 13:38:13 that'd be too easy ;> May 03 13:39:10 * Stskeeps really wonders what it would take to bring n8x0 kernel to be sane on newer versions May 03 13:39:31 other than loss of sanity, that is May 03 13:48:08 can someone clue me into a cron daemon for diablo? I found an extremely old binary from some obscure place, and it's functionality was a bit obscure. May 03 13:50:28 hola May 03 13:51:22 Stskeeps, hmmh? May 03 13:51:29 rightmost? I can see no icon there May 03 13:51:33 unless you mean the picker May 03 13:51:49 I mean the unselected "Close window" applet May 03 13:51:49 AStorm: the rightmost moon like thing :P May 03 13:51:51 ah May 03 13:51:59 well it just needs an icon then it probably works May 03 13:51:59 which works, but needs an icon May 03 13:52:12 draw some X and be done with it :) May 03 13:52:14 hehe May 03 13:53:21 and the X buttons in the switcher need to be larger May 03 13:53:26 they're not finger-friendly May 03 13:53:29 yeah May 03 13:53:56 file a bug or add to wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Sprints/0.13 really May 03 13:54:10 my memory is shot so it's better to add it or report it, or noone will pick it up May 03 13:56:14 make some icon so god damned afwul that ppl offer new ones May 03 13:56:30 red background and yellow X or something May 03 14:06:57 I have installed here maemo emulator and I've already tested some apps, but I don't understand why when I call the python interpreter I can't import nothing about gtk or PyQt4(these are installed).But some example that I did works fine. Does anyone here can explain me? May 03 14:08:11 You're running "python2.5" as opposed to "python"? May 03 14:08:33 the imports statements don't work directly on terminal, only when I run the application using "run-standalone ./program.py" May 03 14:08:48 qwerty12_N800, OH. MY. GOD. May 03 14:10:09 lol, hi crashanddie May 03 14:10:45 Hi, will the new Nokia tablet be able to connect with GPRS and run skype? May 03 14:11:32 zeev, sure, apparently we'll even be able to use the Apple App Store May 03 14:12:00 zeev, it is unsure if RIM will allow access to the Blackberry app store though, so we're still negotiating on that May 03 14:13:00 zeev, finally, because of Lex Nokia, we've now been able to pinpoint that a fair percentage of Nokia employees believe in Santa (being in Finland and all), so the next version of the devices will only work within the arctic circle May 03 14:13:29 deep sarcasm there :P May 03 14:14:31 ya think? May 03 14:14:32 :P May 03 14:15:05 qwerty12_N800: great success, it works very well with python2.5, thank you very much May 03 14:18:02 until the upgrade to python 2.6 comes out May 03 14:18:47 personally i didn't understand all the noise about lex nokia May 03 14:19:59 personally i didnt hear too much noise about it May 03 14:20:38 i was in sendmail post list long time a go and common question was howto cc boss every mail sent out May 03 14:22:39 probably now all postfix and exim admins has samekind of configs May 03 14:23:27 qwerty12_N800, so, when you coming off age? Might be time for us to catch that beer, don't ya think? May 03 14:24:48 crashanddie: lol, about 1 year & 6 months May 03 14:25:58 dayum May 03 14:31:27 Stskeeps, seems like vkb is ignoring the keyboard_available setting May 03 14:31:33 and is always show May 03 14:31:35 *shown May 03 14:31:48 how do I disable this useless PoS May 03 14:32:02 also, the xkb applet doesn't work May 03 14:33:27 AStorm: edit /usr/bin/start-hildon and remove hildon-input-method. May 03 14:35:08 mhmmm, so it's a script :) May 03 14:35:38 Does anyone know the forced window size in hildon (windowed mode)? May 03 14:36:21 Folks, I'm with a problem using pyqt to do a simple app. please, see http://pastebin.com/m725cc69d . What's wrong? May 03 14:37:21 Firebird: around 720x435 May 03 14:37:24 thanks May 03 14:46:25 fremantle will have Opera based browser? May 03 14:46:37 eh? :P May 03 14:47:09 There is "X-OperaSkin=default.zip" in their index.theme May 03 14:47:16 ah, that's a leftover from 2007 times May 03 14:47:21 well, or 2006 May 03 14:47:26 okay May 03 14:47:27 there -used- to be opera May 03 14:49:39 Stskeeps, hmm, matchbox is broken May 03 14:49:53 I get in some places a dialog to allow access to my keyring May 03 14:50:08 and stupid matchbox places previous dialog windows on top of it May 03 14:50:14 and there's no way to access that window May 03 14:50:19 aware of it, -- feel free to write it down May 03 14:50:43 somewhere, so we can pick up on it :) May 03 14:51:29 I'm not much into writing - feel free to copy and paste May 03 14:51:40 mm May 03 14:52:36 lazy :P May 03 14:52:43 astorm u know more about issues and its better if described by you, Stskeeps will tell you where, you paste it in May 03 14:53:09 that I can do... :P May 03 15:01:36 * xnt is thinking of setting up a linuxmce setup because maemo has an orbiter app :) May 03 15:52:00 hm May 03 15:52:11 i wonder why this xforwarding is going so slow over my phone May 03 15:56:08 the electrons have trouble moving down curly phone wires May 03 15:56:21 u need to straighten the wire May 03 15:56:31 or the xserver on the macbook is set to too high of a color? :) May 03 15:56:32 heh May 03 15:57:07 and it's a cell ;) no curly phone lines on it May 03 15:57:56 but it's seriously going slow as shit ... don't know why May 03 15:58:01 everything else is going an ok speed May 03 15:58:04 is it normally so slow? May 03 15:58:19 i honestly never really used it over the cell before May 03 15:58:22 goes fast enough over wifi May 03 15:58:37 the cell gives me like 90K/s so have no idea what is slowing it down like that May 03 15:58:46 plus i'm typing in the same ssh screen with no lag May 03 15:58:49 strange May 03 16:00:20 wtf May 03 16:00:43 ugh. i just need to change one thing :) May 03 16:00:57 piece of shit heh... ah well.. i'll just do it when i get home. guess it isn't that serious May 03 16:01:16 i should have opened up this port a long time ago... whatever.. i'm going to head home. later May 03 16:27:28 blah. this is starting to get on my damn nerves May 03 16:27:35 i will just have to wait til i get home... grrr May 03 16:28:29 i figured 90K/s would be fast enough for ssh xforwarding May 03 16:28:32 GUESS NOT May 03 16:28:39 hah May 03 16:28:48 It depends on the app May 03 16:29:07 was trying ff May 03 16:29:09 heh May 03 16:29:10 IME QT doesn't do as much extra pointless crap so it works better over slow links May 03 16:29:17 Yeah, ff is really terrible May 03 16:29:28 konqueror is better iirc May 03 16:29:47 konqueror is almost as bad as opera May 03 16:29:47 :) May 03 16:29:56 i need something to work with actual java support May 03 16:30:14 I haven't tested opera over slow X, but it's probably not as bad as ff May 03 16:30:37 i'm sure it's not... but i need something that actually works with ajax May 03 16:31:11 speaking of java, ff consistently failed on that for me today May 03 16:31:32 Like, I could switch windows, and it'd redraw them, and the java applet was running okay, but firefox ignored all other UI input... May 03 16:31:47 This was kinda new May 03 16:31:53 well.. maybe i can use opera just to set up the port May 03 16:32:00 i just need to get on a local browser to change the nat of my router May 03 16:32:24 You'd be better off using vnc on that slow a connection really May 03 16:32:43 yeah i know.. but vnc isn't encrypted May 03 16:32:53 neither is X May 03 16:33:06 it is when ssh forwarding pkts May 03 16:33:14 same for vnc May 03 16:33:30 you mean run vnc in ssh? :) May 03 16:33:48 eh? May 03 16:33:55 you said X isn't encrypted May 03 16:33:57 ssh gives you encrypted pipe May 03 16:34:06 Sorry to interrupt. What is better for speed and reliability: Placing OS2008 of my N810 on the internal 2G memory or a 8G Class 6 microSDHC card? May 03 16:34:11 you can forward arbitrary ports over ssh May 03 16:34:43 so with -L 5900:localhost:5900 then connecting to the local localhost 5900 would make sshd on the remote host connect to the remote host's localhost ;-) May 03 16:35:20 that's kind of ghetto :) May 03 16:36:40 opera is going slow too.. i guess it's just an overall xfowarding thing May 03 16:37:07 It's slow even over wlan :) May 03 16:37:10 then again i'm doing this on a macbook so there is probably something jacked up with the osx xserver May 03 16:37:15 on gigabit it's approaching usable May 03 16:37:23 no May 03 16:37:25 wifi is ok May 03 16:37:35 not bad at all.. but over my damn cell it's killing me May 03 16:37:50 X is too fast so developers don't notice if they do stupid things :) May 03 16:37:50 latency is bigger on cell afaik May 03 16:38:33 it's not lagging talking on irc too badly? May 03 16:38:36 :) May 03 16:38:55 and i'm ssh'd to the same box using irssi... you can hardly notice the lag May 03 16:39:10 yeah well, 3 vs 30 vs 300ms isn't noticeable over ssh May 03 16:39:15 i suppose i will just set up vnc on it for now May 03 16:39:23 but it's noticeable of GTK doees something stupid that requires 300 round-trips to X May 03 16:39:28 if* May 03 16:40:20 NX might be able to remove some of those roundtrips, but I wouldn't want to use NX on highlatency either :) May 03 16:40:26 Okay. I'm going to multi-task. So if anyone has an answer to my question please call out to me, i.e. ipndrmath: May 03 16:41:24 which is pointless now because i can't set up the port forwarding to get to the box because i need to use a local web browser :) May 03 16:41:31 looks like i'm really stuck til i get home May 03 16:41:43 huh you've already got ssh May 03 16:41:50 you can port forward through that May 03 16:42:43 yeah i suppose... blah... i'm too lazy now .. i'm at work and i want to walk around a bit May 03 16:42:47 :) May 03 16:42:48 i'm falling asleep May 03 16:43:43 ipndrmath, if I would want to find that out, I'd run iozone with a dataset twice of four times as big as RAM, concentrating on the 4K random read and random write performance. The "Class 6" stuff is only specified for sequential write speed, which says nothing about random read/write speed, which has more of an impact on general OS use :) May 03 16:45:33 jeremiah_: idea: tests in maemian that shows the package has a strong reliance on being built in scratchbox May 03 16:45:54 for example links to /scratchbox in the source package, etc May 03 16:49:14 ShadowJK_: Hmm okay. Darn, I thought it would be an easy answer. Do you have an idea as to where the results may lean? Thanks for your help. May 03 16:50:24 no idea :) May 03 16:51:16 let me see if I can get it compiled on the device though May 03 16:52:07 okay. thanks. There seems to be a repository, albeit chinook, for it May 03 16:52:22 debfarm, specifically May 03 17:11:10 running it now on my Class 6 May 03 17:11:15 class 6 microsdhc May 03 17:11:54 cool thanks. I don't have my mini adapter yet, So I couldn't run this. Thanks for all your help May 03 17:21:36 On my N810, 8Gbyte Class 6 microsdhc, 128M test file, 4K record size. Sequential write: 6135 Sequential read: 6423 Random read: 2029 random write: 791 May 03 17:21:39 (kbyte/s) May 03 17:22:58 okay. Could you run it on the internal 2g card? Do smaller numbers mean quicker? May 03 17:24:09 smaller is slower May 03 17:24:17 Yeah I'll run it on internal May 03 17:24:20 it just takes some time to run May 03 17:25:44 That was a stupid question after you told me kbyte/s, sorry May 03 17:25:47 Thanks May 03 17:26:23 hi May 03 17:27:36 hi May 03 17:27:40 has anyone encountered hildon-input-method running hot on diablo lately? May 03 17:28:26 I haven't noticed, but I haven't been looking. Hot as in heavy CPU? May 03 17:28:48 *CPU Load May 03 17:29:20 ipndrmath yes two processes one running at 90% or higher May 03 17:30:26 No, I haven't. Does it lag up your machine May 03 17:31:26 yes I have to go kill it to make the system useable and prevent battery usage May 03 17:31:48 unneccessary battery usage May 03 17:32:02 Is there such a file as 'fstab' in ubuntu for os2008 where someone could permanently mount a network location? May 03 17:33:02 dantonic i haven't loaded ubuntu on os2008 but there should be ... however May 03 17:33:42 Oh. Have you been screwing around at all on that level? May 03 17:33:48 if your start-up scripts do not call mount -a or mount -T nfs -a then it does nothing for you May 03 17:34:35 PowerGrid, no, what i meant is just on maemo is there such a file, i don't have ubuntu installed on the nit, i'm just looking for a way to permanently mount a network location May 03 17:34:52 let me check May 03 17:35:22 ~lart diablo autobuilder May 03 17:35:22 * infobot eats diablo autobuilder and falls over dead May 03 17:35:47 ? May 03 17:35:57 An annoyance of mine May 03 17:36:11 dantonic so it does exist as a file and you should be able to update it May 03 17:36:49 however check /proc/filesystems to see if the kernel can handle nfs or smbfs or cifs May 03 17:37:20 where is it located? May 03 17:37:30 /etc/fstab May 03 17:37:57 ah kk May 03 17:38:50 but let me check which rc script neeeds to be update to make it work though May 03 17:39:33 powergrid, how can i edit it from the command lline? what's the call to open it with leafpad? May 03 17:40:19 i haven't used leafpad i normally use vi from busybox May 03 17:40:33 so i would run vi /etc/fstab May 03 17:40:58 qwerty12, thanks for the post on -developers May 03 17:41:16 i suck at vi, is there a way i could make leafpad open it? May 03 17:41:19 qwerty12, I have been three days waiting for a package May 03 17:41:37 dantonic I don't see why not May 03 17:41:46 yerga: 3 days! :( May 03 17:42:26 I'm waiting for the python-vte bindings to be transferred >.< May 03 17:42:27 how ever i'm not sure if you load leafpad manually that you'll be able to edit the file you need root access to modify it May 03 17:43:51 powergrid i suck at linux just trying to figure out the command. 'leafpad /etc/fstab' doesn't work May 03 17:44:21 ShadowJK_ : Any word? May 03 17:44:29 do a which leafpad to see where it is May 03 17:44:33 not yet May 03 17:45:02 Hmm... well if the time is any indication, I'm guessing the Class 6 will be faster May 03 17:45:13 *time to complete May 03 17:45:18 powergrid it's in usr/bin/ May 03 17:45:44 so try /usr/bin/leafpad /etc/leafpad May 03 17:46:33 but if you're in root you may not be able to start the app as X may not permit you May 03 17:48:00 ah that's what it was, i got out of root and 'leafpad /etc/fstab' worked. May 03 17:48:09 thanks! May 03 17:49:07 'run-standalone.sh leafpad /etc/fstab' to run it as root BTW May 03 17:49:37 dantonic no problem May 03 17:49:44 ok ty May 03 17:50:54 now if i specify a windows network location i have to include 'cifs' in the command right? May 03 17:51:26 ipndrmath, Oh I haven't started the test on internal yet May 03 17:51:49 I'm running with record sizes 4 to 512k to see how much faster it is with more sequential access May 03 17:52:07 dantonic yes ... but also make sure it is loaded in the kernel May 03 17:52:25 Starting on internal now :) May 03 17:52:35 What's the command to reload fstab without rebooting? May 03 17:52:59 oh powergrid how do i make sure it's loaded? May 03 17:53:25 cat /proc/filesystems May 03 17:56:45 powergrid, hmm cifs is not loaded, but why is my filemanager sometimes able to recognize that windows partition anyway? is it using a different file system? May 03 17:57:50 ah, when i do a mount i see it is currently loading it as tmpfs May 03 17:57:53 i think it's using upnp May 03 17:58:53 On my N810, internal mmc, 128M test file, 4K record size. Sequential write: 6100 Sequential read: 7510 Random read: 2018 random write: 978 May 03 18:00:25 OH! so the Internal is quicker? May 03 18:00:42 for write anyway May 03 18:02:00 hm May 03 18:02:09 I'd say it's too close to mean anything :) May 03 18:02:17 True. May 03 18:02:21 I'd clone to internal May 03 18:02:29 and keep the card swappable May 03 18:02:42 Yeah. That's what I was thinking. Cool. May 03 18:02:44 this is with hispeed mmc kernel btw May 03 18:03:01 heh won't let me save over the old fstab May 03 18:03:01 though I hadn't locked cpu speed :/ May 03 18:03:09 hispeed mmc kernel? May 03 18:03:45 http://intr.overt.org/blog/?p=71 May 03 18:04:58 Hmm... do you suggest I patch? May 03 18:08:22 Okay. Well anyway. Thank you ShadowJK_ for your help and the link to the custom kernel. I'll consider it. May 03 18:08:37 hmm, does the maemo statusbar go right to left? May 03 18:09:54 yeah May 03 18:30:55 AStorm: here? May 03 18:46:07 Hey qwerty12_N800 May 03 18:46:12 lo jeremiah_ :) May 03 18:46:25 Stskeeps: Hi 'keeps? How is everything? May 03 18:46:46 /'keeps?/'keeps!/ May 03 18:47:00 Hi jeremiah_, was in the process of typing a reply but IRC may be faster :P :) May 03 18:47:01 sts ;) May 03 18:47:18 Stskeeps: :) May 03 18:47:20 jeremiah_: well, good - doing some homework and rather surprised over https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/mobile-mid-karmic-use-mer - but it will hopefully bring quality packages to all of us May 03 18:47:44 Stskeeps: You rock. May 03 18:47:50 Stskeeps: That just proves it. May 03 18:48:03 and i'm also absolutely crap at packaging :> May 03 18:48:20 Stskeeps: Ubuntu is basing its MID strategy on your work? May 03 18:48:31 jeremiah_: (that does not imply that Mer would be a ubuntu project, but more like working on common packages and packaging) May 03 18:48:34 Stskeeps: Dude, quit school, call Canonical, get some money for your work. May 03 18:48:40 :) May 03 18:48:56 Actually, don't quit school. May 03 18:49:04 School is good. May 03 18:49:16 i would fail the first packaging exaxm May 03 18:49:17 jeremiah_: thank you for reindexing the packages, the autobuider usually runs awesomely - maybe it just got used to the Finnish holiday :) May 03 18:49:18 exam May 03 18:49:18 :P May 03 18:49:55 qwerty12_N800: Sorry it broke. :( I think there is something seriously wrong since this is the second time in about four days. May 03 18:50:10 Stskeeps: There are no packaging exams! May 03 18:50:17 Stskeeps: You make it up as you go along. May 03 18:50:50 qwerty12_N800: I am going to bring this up at the sprint - the autobuilder cannot eat source packages. May 03 18:51:12 jeremiah_: and i just compiled my first Maemo kernel + modules today with OBS, so that's neat :> May 03 18:51:29 and compiling the openmoko kernel right now May 03 18:51:55 Holy shit, very cool. May 03 18:52:08 But isn't Openmoko dead? May 03 18:52:09 hi May 03 18:52:15 jeremiah_: they still sell but not develop sw May 03 18:52:42 I've installed espeak on my n810, but I cannot get any sound... did anyone tried ? May 03 18:52:58 you guys heard of wolfram alpha? May 03 18:53:04 jeremiah_: heh, I just hope python-vte source packge is there, it took me time to seperate that one from vte :) - but a massive thank you for your responiveness May 03 18:53:07 jeremiah_: http://goshawknest.wordpress.com/2009/05/03/maemomer-on-freerunner-half-ported/ May 03 18:53:32 zakkm: Wolfram is a software development company - they created Mathematica. May 03 18:53:42 zakkm: Google is your friend. May 03 18:53:49 apparently they are making a search engine May 03 18:53:50 .. and google uses linear algebra for their pagerank May 03 18:53:50 :P May 03 18:53:53 http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/see_wolfram_alpha_in_action_-_video_and_screenshots.php May 03 18:54:23 qwerty12_N800: My pleasure qwerty12_N800, again, I feel a bit responsible being the debmaster and all, but I didn't really build the autobuilder. May 03 18:54:43 qwerty12_N800: I will try to get it fixed though. May 03 18:55:16 jeremiah_: at least you're the debmaster right now and not dealing with the iTT rebels :> May 03 18:55:23 Yeah, I just blame it for thinking i can have some R&R due to the Finnish holiday :D May 03 18:55:41 s/ingg i/it/ May 03 18:55:42 qwerty12_N800: Holiday here in Sweden too. May 03 18:55:56 These Scandinavians love their holidays! May 03 18:56:11 Stskeeps: iTT rebels - they scare me. May 03 18:56:16 Hehe, hope it was a good one! :) May 03 18:56:38 qwerty12_N800: I worked in the woods all weekend, _very_ Scandinavian! May 03 18:56:40 :) May 03 18:56:54 'there is gps, gsm, wireless and bluetooth support but i’m not able to test them ATM until we will not solve the GUI issues' wtf? May 03 18:57:15 slonopotamus: as in, we get the ui working first, then the tech stuff is more fun :P May 03 18:57:47 huh. i first got wifi working, only then usable gui May 03 18:57:48 jeremiah_: hehe, mind shipping some over? I need large amounts of paper... :P May 03 18:58:00 slonopotamus: ah, i got usbnet working first. priorities May 03 18:58:01 :P May 03 18:58:13 slonopotamus: also, the pieces for GSM, GPS, etc are already there May 03 18:58:56 we just need to integrate them May 03 18:58:59 i wonder if there's someone brave enough to make tablets run on newer kernel... May 03 18:59:09 Stskeeps: I like your maemian / scratchbox test May 03 18:59:10 slonopotamus: solca :P May 03 18:59:15 Stskeeps: That makes sense to me. May 03 18:59:33 jeremiah_: they are so damn irritating to clean up afterwards :P May 03 18:59:46 Stskeeps, who is solca? May 03 18:59:50 slonopotamus: nitdroid guy May 03 18:59:51 nobody's using espeak (or at least know why it does not work on my n810, without any error) ? May 03 19:00:04 Stskeeps, oh May 03 19:00:06 Stskeeps: Yeah, any idea like that which makes the packagers life easier I think is worth doing. May 03 19:00:33 jeremiah_: other silly things can be running autoconf when not build-dep on autoconf.. and so forth May 03 19:00:38 many funny things to test for May 03 19:01:29 (that's a scratchboxism: people think autoconf is always there, but you can't rely on that Maemo6 will have scratchbox automatically installed, or autoconf provided) May 03 19:01:50 or if you build on other OSes using normal builders, autoconf isn't there unless you build-dep on it :) May 03 19:02:56 but i think we can discuss this further some other time May 03 19:03:10 we're building a bunch of Extras packages right now to find the common patterns May 03 19:04:49 Stskeeps: Yes indeed. May 03 19:06:38 somebody using HP/Ipaq folding keyboard in NXXX? May 03 19:07:07 er, don't they have a properitary port or how was it? May 03 19:07:25 at least my ipaq 3630 one does :P May 03 19:07:37 hehe May 03 19:08:07 jpereira: if it's bluetooth, tried kbdd: http://fanoush.wz.cz/maemo/ ? May 03 19:08:10 * RST38h has looked into the monster's eyes today May 03 19:08:35 mm? May 03 19:08:42 you have flu A? :P May 03 19:08:53 Given two instructions: mov eax,dword ptr 666 and mov eax,dword ptr ds:666 what will the difference be, you think? May 03 19:08:57 qwerty12_N800: just, i get and try kbdd... but make changes and make patch for optimize the kbdd. May 03 19:10:01 i using now the kbdd and works fine, i think that maybe had other alternative for kbdd. thanks qwerty12_N800 May 03 19:10:27 Ah :) May 03 19:11:05 qwerty12_N800: the keyboard works in my n800 and my desktop! ;) May 03 19:23:23 qwerty12_N800: do you delete your source packages once they are ready? :) May 03 19:24:13 mikkov_: after I've uploaded... I now see this isn't a good habit... :) May 03 19:24:29 you like to live dangerously :) May 03 19:24:50 There is a tool in debian that makes new packages out of packages you have already built, so it can be good to keep old packages around. May 03 19:24:57 Especially if you are just updaing. May 03 19:25:07 One such tool is called uupdate May 03 19:25:22 lol... I've become too used to hitting shift+delete... :) May 03 19:25:28 heh May 03 19:27:56 I've found that espeak can create a valid wav file, but can't play it (no sound) May 03 19:28:09 is there a workaround ? May 03 19:28:43 I'm just keeping my fingers crossed that python-vte shows up... I plan on using it and i need to reupload it as I fixed the python vte reaper support patch to actually cause the pygtk codegen not to fail... May 03 19:29:47 does anybody know if autobuilder configuration problem is causing libgda3 build to fail or if it's something that has to worked around? May 03 19:30:45 problem is "-L/scratchbox/devkits/apt-https/lib" in linker command May 03 19:31:20 what could i use to play a wav file in console ? May 03 19:31:28 there is no "aplay" in maemo May 03 19:38:26 gst-launch is the key May 03 21:19:02 timeless: Just for you, since gcc 4.2 now lets me, I've disabled -Wparentheses via #pragma, so your build system can't possibly get it wrong. May 03 21:24:32 moo derf May 03 21:27:21 RST38h: Un jour, tout le monde mougleras. May 03 21:28:09 Later folks. May 03 21:30:31 How do I switch the processor from ondemand mode to performance? (I can't find a clear guide on how to do so) May 03 21:32:17 echo performance > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor May 03 21:32:32 echo ondemand > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq May 03 21:32:45 derf, is that sticky, or do I need to shove it in an init script? May 03 21:32:46 /scaling_governor May 03 21:32:58 NCommander: No, it is not sticky. May 03 21:32:59 it's not sticky May 03 21:35:10 I'm hoping this will decrease the BT keyboard lag :-/ May 03 21:36:57 It will not May 03 21:37:11 :-/ May 03 21:38:48 Vote on the bug instead and hope Nokia fixes it May 03 21:39:09 RST38h, is the bug in the open bits or the closed bits? May 03 21:39:16 * NCommander might take a whack at fixing it if its in the former May 03 21:40:08 closed afaik, but as nobody from nokia has admitted they have a bug, there is no way to say May 03 21:40:35 Thats lovely May 03 21:40:41 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3359 May 03 21:41:11 See how many comments are there and it is still "uncomfirmed" May 03 21:41:22 Bah May 03 21:41:31 I assume that there is no way to downgrade an N810 to OS2007? May 03 21:42:20 why? May 03 21:42:59 OS2007 is unaffected May 03 21:43:03 (based on Google) May 03 21:43:16 ah May 03 21:46:23 I just wish Maemo was fully free May 03 21:56:22 "free" does not guarantee anyone working on it May 03 21:57:33 anyone tried to kill the bluetooth powersavigng modes to see if keyboard latency improves? May 03 21:58:05 How do you do it? May 03 21:58:53 unless hciconfig can (really) do it, I guess you prod hcid with magic commands over dbus May 03 21:59:27 ah holy shit...magic dbus commands... May 03 22:03:32 ah nm people report it with usb keyboards too May 03 22:04:20 RST38h: "open" May 03 22:04:55 Shadow: Yes, it looks more like some problem in the event processing May 03 22:06:02 http://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-882 May 03 22:21:04 hola May 03 22:38:17 hm. need to set up an httpd May 03 22:38:18 blah May 04 00:14:49 i am having trouble getting bluemaemo working any ideas May 04 00:24:08 i scan for my n810 in linux using hcitool scan May 04 00:24:25 it finds it then i do hidd -connect mac address May 04 00:24:33 and it says host is down May 04 00:28:24 anyone? May 04 00:30:33 someone? May 04 00:30:37 bluemaemo May 04 00:30:38 ? May 04 00:32:07 qwerty12_N800, you there May 04 00:48:46 anyone use bluemaemo? May 04 00:50:40 i expect vdvsx does May 04 00:51:17 they arent here apparently i am having more issues with bluetooth on ubuntu then on the device May 04 00:59:04 head hurts from working on new minimalist theme May 04 00:59:20 not enough sugar May 04 00:59:39 to much code to looki at May 04 01:00:32 but its coming together fast May 04 01:02:19 I need to start coding more May 04 01:02:47 but I'm used to embedded systems, all this ui stuff gives me headaches (: May 04 01:13:52 hm May 04 01:14:04 trying to find state law regarding shooting someone to death someone breaking into your house :) May 04 01:14:29 texas May 04 01:14:37 illinois May 04 01:14:46 texas you can do it May 04 01:16:56 is that the only place? :) May 04 01:17:11 i can't find illinois law regarding something like that happening May 04 01:21:07 http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/ilcs/ilcs4.asp?DocName=072000050HArt.+7&ActID=1876&ChapAct=720%26nbsp%3BILCS%26nbsp%3B5%2F&ChapterID=53&ChapterName=CRIMINAL+OFFENSES&SectionID=60595&SeqStart=7800000&SeqEnd=9300000&ActName=Criminal+Code+of+1961. May 04 01:21:28 there it is :) May 04 01:21:34 man you just have to love the internet sometimes May 04 01:21:43 something like that would have taken forever at a library May 04 01:26:04 hm May 04 01:26:08 that law is vague though May 04 01:26:19 i was wondering if you can shoot someone trying to steal your car in IL :) May 04 01:26:53 hmm one way to find out is do it May 04 01:27:13 well. i just always wondered May 04 01:27:35 although the law seems rather clear that use of force to protect property from felony (theft) is allowed May 04 01:41:33 high swappage kills wifi :/ May 04 01:47:34 i got bluemaemo working May 04 01:47:36 its awesome May 04 02:06:32 ok. the southpark about pirates is funny May 04 02:36:28 hitler designed absolutely awesome flat towers May 04 02:45:39 flat May 04 02:45:41 towers May 04 02:45:44 flat. May 04 02:49:46 u mean these? http://www.darkroastedblend.com/2007/05/strange-towers-of-third-reich.html **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon May 04 02:59:57 2009