**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue May 19 02:59:57 2009 May 19 03:27:23 'default'? May 19 03:32:07 tried that. didn't work (unless my wifi's broken) May 19 03:32:10 but i don't think it is May 19 03:32:45 just a quick question. Shouldn't there be a http://repository.maemo.org/dists/diablo directory? May 19 03:33:50 sorry May 19 03:33:50 What is the 'default' repo? May 19 03:33:59 SDK or device? May 19 03:34:18 * Bobbe_ lost May 19 03:34:23 the default repo in App Manager? May 19 03:34:26 there was none May 19 03:34:39 I was just flashed my device. The repos that come with it are all tableteer May 19 03:34:41 o_O May 19 03:34:45 Is that supposed to be so? May 19 03:36:23 I *have just flashed my device May 19 03:38:39 I just saw this topic on itt about a guy who couldn't install e2fsprogs May 19 03:39:09 I had the same problem, but I tried a different (probably q&d) solution. I added the default repo manually but put chinook as distribution May 19 03:41:03 then it showed May 19 03:41:36 I went through the repo and noticed that there is a http://repository.maemo.org/dists/chinook/free and http://repository.maemo.org/dists/chinook/non-free May 19 03:41:53 but diablo only had http://repository.maemo.org/dists/diablo/tools and http://repository.maemo.org/dists/diablo/sdk May 19 03:46:50 Bobbe, you only need Extras May 19 03:50:00 e2fsprogs is not in extras May 19 03:50:14 ah, new posts on the thread May 19 03:50:23 it is in extras-devel, hasn't been promoted to extras, apparently May 19 04:06:58 hello May 19 04:07:11 got kicked from a channel because i was pro fascist :) May 19 04:07:13 haha May 19 04:07:39 isn't that just fascist of them? May 19 04:07:42 Macer: not #anime May 19 04:07:54 #anime is almost anarchy May 19 04:07:57 XD May 19 04:09:01 27/47 people are ops May 19 04:09:14 lol May 19 04:09:19 it was so efnet :) May 19 04:09:27 ironically enough it was in an offtopic room May 19 04:09:49 i guess when we started to argue about how fascism is better or worse.. he said to show him a fascist country that works May 19 04:09:54 and i told him saudi arabia haha May 19 04:10:11 then he said that there are 80,000 homeless children in saudi arabia May 19 04:10:21 and i was like... they are not saudi then.. probably iraqi trash :) May 19 04:10:21 why is stskeeps at the topic of #anime? May 19 04:10:27 lmao May 19 04:10:48 he is? LOL May 19 04:10:51 nice May 19 04:11:03 damn i should get some food May 19 04:11:21 [22:53:40] ⁂ The channel topic is "4-4-2-3 | I am the operator with my orgone accumulator. | Change your mind. | Stskeeps works as a student programmer at a university | ToAruShiroiNeko ga faggotto nano desu!". May 19 04:11:58 haha May 19 04:12:36 do you suppose someone should tell someone that p54spi is broken? May 19 04:12:58 i think i'm going to hit up mcdonalds May 19 04:13:09 no wai May 19 04:13:09 or burger king. or taco bell.. i'm pretty hungry now May 19 04:30:10 brb May 19 05:28:45 yawn May 19 05:32:02 yawn (2) May 19 05:32:13 Macer, u got google maps to run on your NIT? May 19 05:32:41 http://www.mobilecrunch.com/2009/05/18/exclusive-leaked-screenshot-of-nokias-maemo-harmattan/ May 19 05:32:47 neat! May 19 05:33:20 ber neat! May 19 05:33:27 multiple desktops maybe? May 19 05:34:00 "Can I do this on my iPhone?" May 19 05:34:23 vertically scrollable page May 19 05:34:47 I really think multiple desktops would be cooler than scrolling my desktop May 19 05:35:59 but still May 19 05:36:00 kick-ass May 19 05:50:47 anybody around? May 19 05:52:24 morning all mighty maemo people May 19 06:00:32 Not enough random bytes available. Please do some other work to give May 19 06:00:34 the OS a chance to collect more entropy! (Need 288 more bytes) May 19 06:00:35 wtf May 19 06:00:42 :) i'm trying to figure out this tor + gpg + freenode shit May 19 06:02:10 apt-get install randomsound May 19 06:07:04 randomsound huh? May 19 06:08:33 thanks :) that seemed to have done the trick May 19 06:08:46 it's a tool which use the sound card to add entropy to the pool May 19 06:09:19 cat /proc/sys/kernel/random/entropy_avail will tell you May 19 06:12:08 cool, so I just need to generate some noise and play it to crack your system May 19 06:12:25 not really :) May 19 06:14:35 can one do that cat /proc/kcore > /dev/audio in tablets? May 19 06:15:30 … May 19 06:15:36 why the heck would you want to do that? May 19 06:16:25 to hear satans voice May 19 06:17:24 the you need to use tac May 19 06:17:28 then* May 19 06:17:54 tac? May 19 06:18:17 tac - concatenate and print files in reverse May 19 06:18:22 the opposite of cat May 19 06:19:45 yes but May 19 06:19:57 wtf does it have to do with /proc/kcore? May 19 06:20:00 Macer: unless you have a very serious reason (you live in China, Iran or similar) do not use Tor with Freenode. May 19 06:20:30 chx: do those countries monitor FreeNode? May 19 06:20:37 doesn't the US count as an oppresive country? ;) May 19 06:20:42 luke-jr: don't you know that to hear satan voice you need to play led zeppelin LP in reverse? May 19 06:20:48 Stskeeps: yeah, but I don't think they actively watch FreeNode May 19 06:20:57 luke-jr: heck, they block blip.tv in china.. May 19 06:21:00 Corsac: tac works with text/plain May 19 06:21:00 luke-jr: those countries, I am afraid monitor anything if they deem necessary. May 19 06:21:06 and don't underestimate IRC monitoring May 19 06:21:08 luke-jr: that's sad :( May 19 06:21:36 Stskeeps: well, don't overestimate Tor May 19 06:21:38 Tor is a joke May 19 06:21:39 Stskeeps: the US on an opressive scale would be somewhere in the low ranges of the middle May 19 06:21:56 chx: low ranges of the high, more like May 19 06:21:57 luke-jr: dont underestimate Tor, its strong enough May 19 06:22:14 luke-jr: You have not lived in an oppressive country. I *did*. May 19 06:22:19 chx: I do. May 19 06:22:27 where? May 19 06:22:33 Omaha, Nebraska May 19 06:22:46 You have no idea what are you talking of May 19 06:22:49 no? May 19 06:22:56 I grew up in Hungary when it was a socialist state May 19 06:23:09 you managed to get out May 19 06:23:16 how long did that take? May 19 06:23:27 I immigrated in 2006 May 19 06:23:39 17 years after the socialist regime ended May 19 06:23:39 chx: how long did the government actively prevent you from leaving? May 19 06:24:02 Me? did not, i was a kid. My uncle however, literally fled the country in the clothes he was wearing May 19 06:24:25 at least he was capable of doing it May 19 06:24:31 I doubt I would get far if I tried. May 19 06:24:38 you must be high May 19 06:24:43 lol May 19 06:24:50 he's a gentoo user, of course he is May 19 06:24:50 :P May 19 06:24:51 you can freely travel wherever you want whenever you want May 19 06:24:52 * Stskeeps runs May 19 06:24:55 chx: nope May 19 06:25:01 nope????? May 19 06:25:05 tell me more. May 19 06:25:22 you have thousands and thousands of miles of unprotected borders May 19 06:25:33 in case you needed to escape May 19 06:25:36 chx: ah, but they don't need to protect the borders when they can just hold my family hostage May 19 06:25:44 but most everyone can board a plane May 19 06:26:28 there are means of forcing people to stay other than physical force May 19 06:26:40 what stops you from putting the family in a 4WD (you can buy whatever car you want not just the one that the state throws at you after years of waiting) and drive to the border, be it Mexican or Canadian May 19 06:26:59 chx: police, search crews, etc May 19 06:27:14 and sheer distance to either border May 19 06:27:14 in an opressive state if you do that, you risk being blown up by mines or simply shot May 19 06:27:48 you truly have no idea what you are talking of May 19 06:28:07 you have an amendent which disallows the police to search you out of whim May 19 06:28:31 and you can buy a firearm May 19 06:28:32 chx: a useless amendment that nobody protects from violation May 19 06:28:50 not so useless May 19 06:28:52 I can buy a firearm if someone says I can May 19 06:28:57 just asking will trigger red alarms May 19 06:29:07 you are interesting May 19 06:29:16 I met a number of USA citizens May 19 06:29:22 but nor of your kind May 19 06:29:26 I read of it, of course May 19 06:29:27 chx: how many Nebraskans? May 19 06:29:31 under active persecution? May 19 06:29:32 but never thought you actually exist May 19 06:29:57 I long ago stopped trying to explain how living a socialist state was May 19 06:30:01 chx: shall I make a race for the border, and you can watch the manhunt in the news? May 19 06:30:18 luke-jr: noone would care. May 19 06:30:22 you guys simply can not imagine what it was May 19 06:30:30 chx: bet you'd hear about it May 19 06:30:38 chx: some people ought to watch things like der leben der andres (the life of others) :P May 19 06:30:41 and so on May 19 06:31:16 Amber Alert or such bs May 19 06:31:45 I met the USA police on one occassion May 19 06:32:09 a drunken kid caused a minor accident with the car I was traveling in May 19 06:32:20 and I got scared to death 'cos my passport was not with me May 19 06:32:32 And I thought I will get arrested and thrown out of hte country May 19 06:33:01 The police did not care about me and that was when my USA friends explained that the police can not ask for documents from me as I was not involved May 19 06:33:16 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMBER_Alert May 19 06:33:33 this is vastly different -- even today, the police would id everyone on spot and if you do not have id, you are in trouble May 19 06:34:02 luke-jr: how can someone raise an Amber alert when the child is with the parents? May 19 06:34:45 chx: just claim the parents are the abducters May 19 06:35:29 or omit that info altogether May 19 06:36:11 according to the wikipedia article, 50% of Amber Alerts are abused that way May 19 06:36:18 but there is no kcore under /proc May 19 06:36:33 "Only 70 of the 233 AMBER Alerts issued in 2004 (30%) were actually children taken by strangers or who were unlawfully traveling with adults other than their legal guardians." May 19 06:38:34 in my ubuntu x86 box i can do sudo cat /proc/kcore > /dev/audio is kcore under diffrent name in maemo? May 19 06:41:13 chx: http://www.senatornancyschaefer.com/newsletters_updates.php?filter=43 May 19 06:42:05 RST38x: Friday, 2009-05-15 "RST38h> Current Xv only exposes YUV buffers" - that's not quite right, XV on internet tablets has support for rgb565 format... May 19 06:43:40 I just need to make a decent demo which could show its benefits :) May 19 07:37:22 * Dar is away: I'm busy May 19 07:51:41 anyone knows what the N87 will run? May 19 07:52:22 windows ce! May 19 07:52:22 :P May 19 07:52:49 eew :< May 19 07:52:54 Morning, all May 19 07:52:58 I'd love it if it would run maemo May 19 07:53:14 I personally hate the iphone, and N97 looks hot May 19 07:53:43 i wouldn't mind a touch phone like the one with screenshots leaked May 19 07:54:19 * LiraNuna wonders at what maemo5 is aimed for May 19 07:54:43 LiraNuna: That's easy - RX-51 and RX-71 May 19 07:54:48 haha May 19 07:55:04 Jaffa, yeah, but since they got "3G" support, won't that make them also phones? May 19 07:55:26 a phone running omap3 with ogles2.0 is just... just... May 19 07:55:26 LiraNuna: Is a laptop with a SIM card slot a phone? May 19 07:56:00 I meant, won't that make them marketable as May 19 07:56:07 My guess is that they'll primarily still be MID-type devices - but you'll be able to make a vopice call with a headset (and, maybe, in an emergency sideways talking) May 19 07:56:58 I'd love to know what the N97 runs; if it won't be open, it just won't be fun May 19 08:01:01 I mean, if they put maemo on it - it means flash support May 19 08:01:21 LiraNuna, Symbian (S60 5th Edition) May 19 08:01:27 noooo May 19 08:01:28 :< May 19 08:01:32 LiraNuna: see gsmarena.com for example May 19 08:01:38 there's a lot known about it May 19 08:31:27 http://www.thelawthatneverwas.com/new/7th_circuit.mp3 May 19 08:31:31 that is awesome May 19 08:32:54 Heh, supposed Harmattan screenshot leaked May 19 08:33:24 looks decent though May 19 08:33:44 Looks like a mockup though May 19 08:34:08 But a logical mockup, most elements can be found in previous Nokia UIs May 19 08:34:30 URL? May 19 08:34:48 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=288533#post288533 May 19 08:37:40 RST38x: no picture on that page May 19 08:38:45 cosmo: Go to the first page of the thread find the link there and click it. May 19 08:39:28 ok thanks.. http://gizmodo.com/5260260/nokias-leaked-future-tablet-screenshot-large-smartphone May 19 08:40:36 looks like it finally has PIM functions May 19 08:40:59 interesting May 19 08:41:13 OY! the map isn't in helsinki! not authentic then ;-) May 19 08:41:16 *chuckles* May 19 08:41:23 finally somebody puts today's meetings on map May 19 08:41:36 * bergie would've appreaciated that back when doing sales calls May 19 08:42:06 bergie: I usually scribble clouds and unicorns on my memo pads, wouldn't that suffice as a map ;-) May 19 08:42:28 Myrtti: yes, a "Here be dragons" sort of map :-) May 19 08:49:12 but Harmattan is the successor of Fremantle, so won't be in the n900? May 19 08:49:18 or at least not from the start May 19 08:49:19 yep May 19 08:52:27 Myrtti, the Map _is_ in helsinki May 19 08:52:47 Myrtti, the area on the right is Eteläranta May 19 08:52:49 * RST38x considers PIM the most useless application =) May 19 08:54:06 inz: oh, is it? I don't have my glasses on :-( May 19 08:54:07 Myrtti, and the "Client meeting" would be at the corner of Bulevardi and Fredrikinkatu May 19 08:54:49 can't see jack shit. May 19 08:54:53 :-( May 19 08:55:05 Sure, the names aren't readable May 19 08:55:53 But recognising [ 1 ] in red gave a hint that it would be somewhere in Helsinki-Turku, and Turku is very unlikely (also it is unlikely to have a harbour in east in turku) May 19 08:57:12 I need to get new glasses :-/ May 19 09:07:13 * aquatix hands Myrtti pink glasses May 19 09:07:14 :) May 19 09:07:27 trying to look at al asad on google maps to see if i can find the PX i used to go to May 19 09:07:30 heh May 19 09:11:46 Macer: Better look at Tokyo while you still can! May 19 09:11:55 ? May 19 09:11:58 why do you say that? May 19 09:12:08 are they going to force google maps to not spy on them? :) May 19 09:12:17 Macer: japan has force google to redo all streetview images of japan May 19 09:12:21 i can't find the stadium in al asad May 19 09:12:31 really? why? May 19 09:12:36 Macer: with the camera 16" lower so that it does not look over fences May 19 09:12:45 lol May 19 09:13:02 So, that is your last chance to peer into Japanese backyards =) May 19 09:13:12 are they dirty or something? May 19 09:13:20 in the karate kid .. mr miagi had an awesome back yard May 19 09:13:29 wooden decks and nice gardens May 19 09:13:43 Macer: they look pretty regular so I do not know what the big fuss is about May 19 09:14:11 they don't want some rich japanese businessman getting caught having sex with minors on google maps May 19 09:14:38 hm. i just can't find this damn stadium. bbl. going to keep looking May 19 09:15:02 Macer: maybe it got bombed since the last time you have been there? =) May 19 09:15:12 possibly May 19 09:15:20 when i was there we would get hit with short range rockets all the time May 19 09:15:28 Shit, our IT department is killing my computer May 19 09:15:34 but for the most part al asad was a really safe place :) May 19 09:15:42 killing your computer? May 19 09:16:06 Quietly tried to sneak a service pack in yesterday. As I went home, that got interrupted. May 19 09:16:21 Today, the service pack is rolling itself back for the last 40 minutes May 19 09:16:26 stupid hangnails May 19 09:16:42 RST38x: oh, happy joy joy May 19 09:16:55 Rebooted twice, that seems to have killed it good May 19 09:17:06 RST38x: so you're billing that time on the IT department now? May 19 09:17:22 aquatix: No, although I am going to complain to the management (again) May 19 09:18:22 These guys are supposed to SERVICE computers not take them from employees for hours at a time May 19 09:18:49 RST38x: remember, xp startup doesn't qualify as work time! May 19 09:18:50 :P May 19 09:19:22 everything counts as work time when you're on a monthly salary May 19 09:19:31 ask wally May 19 09:19:36 yeah, true May 19 09:19:43 i work by that :P May 19 09:20:24 Sts: Does methodical slaughter of every single IT geek in the visibility range qualify as work time? May 19 09:20:29 that's awesome May 19 09:20:37 i can see the place i was sleeping in on the big base in rhamadi May 19 09:20:41 RST38x: that's a good question, i guess there's case law for it May 19 09:20:45 with employees going postal May 19 09:20:46 er. ramadi May 19 09:20:51 wow that was a big city May 19 09:21:06 it would actually be a pretty nice city if it wasn't all blown up and stuff May 19 09:21:27 some of the buildings we had to stay in were beautiful... well made cement buildings with nice marble floors and stairs May 19 09:21:30 Sts: I guess it should be made a rule that when someone goes postal on the IT department, he gets some slack in court May 19 09:21:44 haha May 19 09:21:44 RST38x: i think the judge can sympatise :P May 19 09:22:29 RST38x: you're supposed to get in good with the IT guys May 19 09:22:36 so they give you admin on your computer :) May 19 09:22:43 and leave you alone haha May 19 09:23:27 hi May 19 09:23:29 Macer: :) May 19 09:23:33 one of the network admins in iraq hooked me up all the time because i showed him how to xforward his firewall app with ssh May 19 09:23:53 ran a line to my tent and everything :) gave me my own govt laptop (you can only use govt laptops on the govt network) May 19 09:24:33 while building my application in ARMEL gives error "mmap: No such device or address" any suggestion? May 19 09:24:37 believe it or not.. one of the biggest things to trade there.. was chocolate :) i got a huge box of chocolate that made it there because we had a few colder weeks so it didn't melt May 19 09:24:54 that shit was literally worth its weight in gold May 19 09:24:56 sanjay6976: ubuntu? May 19 09:25:04 Macer: why does that sound like 1984? May 19 09:25:11 no fedora May 19 09:25:12 aquatix: lol May 19 09:25:27 well.. because i worked for big brother ;) May 19 09:25:33 ghehehe May 19 09:25:34 that's why it sounds like 1984 May 19 09:25:43 i'm a big fan of "the system" May 19 09:25:51 Stskeeps:No on Fedora May 19 09:27:10 Macer: you like rewriting history? :) May 19 09:27:30 not really. but if i lived in the star wars world. i would be with the empire :) May 19 09:27:40 `back in 2008, Nokia was the biggest in NIT' May 19 09:27:48 ghehe May 19 09:28:07 the empire wasn't all that bad May 19 09:28:25 no it wasn't. i mean .. if the damn people weren't fighting them all the time i think things would have worked out May 19 09:28:35 :) May 19 09:28:55 while building my application in ARMEL gives error "mmap: No such device or address"on fedora any suggestion? May 19 09:28:59 it was just some father-son complex ripping apart a perfectly fine universe May 19 09:29:25 history has shown that the greatest advanced cultures had a dictatorship with a leader who though of their country or empire before their own power May 19 09:29:43 not too many people realize how young the united states is May 19 09:30:17 we are like the basketball superstar who came straight out of high school May 19 09:30:39 you are aware that you sound a tad cocky? ;) May 19 09:30:47 i didn't mean it like that May 19 09:30:51 hehe May 19 09:30:55 i just meant that the US went very fast in its development May 19 09:30:59 any suggestion May 19 09:31:14 myeah, it built on the mix of established cultures May 19 09:31:25 we are like a supermassive star May 19 09:31:49 and it helped that it consumed quite some researchers from europe after WW2 May 19 09:31:54 sure we are big and give off a lot of heat.. but in the end we die sooner than the smaller ones May 19 09:32:06 heh, and that May 19 09:33:01 it is amazing how much fuel we use :) May 19 09:33:32 hile building my application in ARMEL gives error "mmap: No such device or address"any help May 19 09:33:34 i was reading up on how much dead life we burn up in fuel.. millions of years of dying animals and we are just eating it up May 19 09:34:34 in the end canada will rule the world :) May 19 09:34:38 sanjay6976: not sure whether repeating it helps that much May 19 09:35:02 Macer: canada? why canada? May 19 09:35:18 i think it'll go back to the old world sooner May 19 09:35:19 30 million people with as much land as the US who has 300million? May 19 09:35:44 i hope for canada that they'll stick with being relatively peacefull May 19 09:36:00 aquatix: of course they will May 19 09:36:09 they are letting everybody else beat each other up and tire themselves out May 19 09:36:28 in the background with nobody really noticing them May 19 09:36:32 aquatix :any idea how to solve the problem May 19 09:36:44 sanjay6976: what device does it try to access? May 19 09:37:08 Macer: i like underground :) May 19 09:38:20 no idea actually i am tryin to build the binaries for putting it on N810 for that i am giving a qmake May 19 09:38:26 i wonder how internal canada's economy is May 19 09:38:36 i mean i can't see them really importing much May 19 09:38:44 check cia worldfacts :) May 19 09:38:53 that site has some interesting stats May 19 09:39:09 cia worldfacts? May 19 09:40:05 https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/ May 19 09:40:10 damn handy May 19 09:40:15 yeah. i'm looking at it now May 19 09:41:57 canada just simply asked britan to let them go ? May 19 09:42:38 aquatix:no idea actually i am tryin to build the binaries for putting it on N810 for that i am giving a qmake May 19 09:43:11 lunch, bbl May 19 09:53:24 http://www31.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=exports+and+imports+of+canada May 19 09:53:46 Canada exports: $497.8bn, imports: $468.7bn May 19 09:55:00 Most exports are natural resources afaik May 19 10:02:09 morning May 19 10:12:43 morning lardman, timeless_mbp May 19 10:12:46 wow. the world factbook has an illicit drug section too huh? the cia is awesome May 19 10:12:50 hey Stskeeps May 19 10:15:06 mornin guys \o May 19 10:15:12 hi lcuk May 19 10:15:29 quick question, can i run a system() command asynchronously May 19 10:15:43 * lcuk isnt working on it now but might need it May 19 10:15:46 hello May 19 10:15:55 * timeless_mbp is back in finland :( May 19 10:16:02 thats not a bad thing May 19 10:16:03 HEL even May 19 10:16:31 * lardman curses M$ Equation version 3.0 May 19 10:17:00 isn't 3.0 ancient? May 19 10:17:16 lcuk: yes, but requires forking and waitpiD :P May 19 10:17:25 (if i recall correctly) May 19 10:17:33 ahhh cool, ok Stskeeps thanks ill look later May 19 10:17:49 its just to do a splash screen on first boot so glitches happen there and not in the main app :) May 19 10:18:15 * lcuk never did get to the bottom of why some machines exhibit it and others dont May 19 10:19:53 timeless_mbp: I'm using office 2004 I think May 19 10:19:54 * lcuk now just has to work out whether im on first run since bootup or not ;) May 19 10:20:09 2003 even May 19 10:20:16 lardman, :D like he said, ancient :P May 19 10:20:23 so yes :) May 19 10:20:31 u havent got the ribbon May 19 10:20:40 * lcuk hates the fuffin ribbon May 19 10:20:40 nope May 19 10:20:56 though I'm going to buy a new PC soon, so I guess I'll get the ribbon, and the vista May 19 10:24:32 DO NOT get Vista May 19 10:24:35 ewww lardman if you get the vista you will be shunned lol May 19 10:24:51 lardman: have mer as your primary OS ;-) May 19 10:24:54 (Do not get the ribbon either although it is less evil than Vista) May 19 10:25:07 as soon as Mer can edit ppt presentations then no worries :) May 19 10:25:20 I hasten to add I don't want vista either May 19 10:25:24 Vista==Pain May 19 10:25:30 it can edit them now, no guarantees they will work afterwards tho May 19 10:26:32 hmm, not well though in my experience May 19 10:26:44 not Mer's fault mind you May 19 10:27:09 vista works, for limited quantities of work May 19 10:27:48 lcuk: Quantities insufficient to make you scratch your eyes out May 19 10:27:57 the ribbon is nice May 19 10:28:02 I need a new headphone socket and a >= nVidia 9 series graphics card May 19 10:28:03 which is pretty small as far as vista goes May 19 10:28:14 especially in w7 for things like Notepad, Wordpad and Paint May 19 10:28:18 not too bothered about the OS, as long as ppt will work, and MATLAB May 19 10:28:32 did you buy matlab or steal it? :) May 19 10:28:40 Work, bought May 19 10:28:51 site license in fact May 19 10:29:21 sorry, i'm so used to talking to students/ex-students May 19 10:29:35 lardman, playing with cuda? May 19 10:29:50 I plan to May 19 10:29:56 timeless_mbp: np May 19 10:30:07 excellent! May 19 10:30:41 though I won't be doing anything till the summer when I'm back May 19 10:30:58 it offers some wicked speedups, and the "interactive simulation relaxation environments" you can make with it are fantastic (doom plays really quickly! :p) May 19 10:31:00 must also try to retain Admin rights to the new PC, no to Active Directory! May 19 10:31:24 lcuk: do you have a linky for the Doom CUDA mod? May 19 10:31:30 or was that a pisstake? May 19 10:31:41 why not this command work? sudo chroot /debian/media/mmc2 /bin/bash May 19 10:31:56 is your mmc2 ext3? :P May 19 10:32:05 also, that question is a can of worms May 19 10:32:05 :P May 19 10:32:32 pisstake cos i cant remember the name of todays game of the week May 19 10:32:33 am past my days of playing Doom3 or Far Cry with the other chaps May 19 10:32:50 i installed easy-deb-chroot and downloaded image May 19 10:32:51 all a bit too busy these days May 19 10:33:23 im surprised you cannot run a scientific simulation of yourself inside these super cards May 19 10:33:36 if the announcements are anything to go by you should be able to May 19 10:33:39 how i then change root? May 19 10:35:44 I was not impressed by CUDA. May 19 10:36:00 Though the newer versions of it look somewhat better. May 19 10:36:56 what was wrong with it? May 19 10:37:15 It just seemed like a hacked-up rush job. May 19 10:37:21 fair enough May 19 10:38:16 Stupid stuff like, anything declared to reside in constant memory is allocated for the lifetime of the application (so you can't have different modules use constant memory for different purposes). May 19 10:38:42 (note "constant" memory just means it can't be changed by programs running on the card, the controlling application is free to change it) May 19 10:39:07 Or the fact that any variable declared to reside in shared memory gets put at the same address. May 19 10:39:59 NVIDIA actually recommends you declare a big buffer and compute the addresses yourself. May 19 10:40:01 not a big issue for me as I'm doing simulation code May 19 10:40:22 Me, I thought I'd just make a struct. But I mean, seriously, this is what we have compilers _for_. May 19 10:40:40 lardman: Right. It looks like it was designed to make one-off demos. May 19 10:40:56 isn't everything May 19 10:41:07 Some of us have to make actual production systems. May 19 10:41:27 derf: plenty of actual production systems done in that fashion May 19 10:41:54 glass: When given tools like CUDA to work with, I'm not surprised. May 19 10:41:57 yeah, that's why I have to write my own simulation code :) May 19 10:42:21 I would also complain about the lack of 3D textures, but that's been added to later versions. May 19 10:42:43 But there's still no read-modify-write for textures (in-place). May 19 10:43:10 Even though it's technically possible (I can do it from OpenGL fragment programs with no issue). May 19 10:57:14 Is there an extended battery for the n800 ? May 19 10:57:26 wasn't there that mugen thing? May 19 10:58:37 mugen? May 19 10:59:27 search mugen battery n80 May 19 10:59:27 0 May 19 10:59:28 the mugen was for the n810, not sure if there was one for n800 tho May 19 11:01:52 there is a mugen for the n800, but no battery cover May 19 11:03:22 make one out of a cereal box and some sticky back plastic May 19 11:03:35 bbl May 19 11:04:13 you killed my firefox! May 19 11:04:39 * mgedmin searched for "mugen battery n80", clicked on the first link, and firefox started eating 100% cpu non-responsively May 19 11:19:47 that Wolfram search is actually quite useful for factual number type things May 19 11:20:23 i wouldnt expect anything else from wolfram May 19 11:20:55 other than a wierd book? May 19 11:21:50 heh May 19 11:22:41 lardman: it's a great tool for 3rd grader looking for answers on his homework May 19 11:22:44 other than that May 19 11:22:45 i'm not so sure May 19 11:23:04 well I wouldn't really know where to look for populations and the like May 19 11:23:21 e.g. Bath has just under 100k people May 19 11:23:23 dunno. wikipedia? isn't that where w gets it anyways May 19 11:23:29 no idea May 19 11:23:40 It shows the sources at the bottom of the search May 19 11:23:52 So yeah, a lot of data comes from Wikipedia May 19 11:24:00 But they integrate other sources as well. May 19 11:24:15 probably a lot of gapminder.org's sources too May 19 11:24:28 they should replace "knoweledge" with "information" imho thouh May 19 11:25:06 http://www.citypopulation.de/ May 19 11:25:08 ah-ha May 19 11:25:24 doesnt cia factbook show world cities and stuff May 19 11:25:30 errr cia spybook May 19 11:25:51 CIA factbook is really good, lots of info May 19 11:26:14 Hardly a spy book though if it is on the web May 19 11:26:25 the real thing comes neatly bound in human flesh and delivered by black helicopters May 19 11:26:46 and you need to use a cipher to reveal the real message May 19 11:27:18 As if. You are confusing them with some competent security force. May 19 11:27:23 yeah double rot13 is a bitch to decode May 19 11:28:40 o_O just had a tech savvy friend say "never heard of twitter" May 19 11:29:02 hmm, I never really use it May 19 11:29:12 but you know of it May 19 11:29:32 I never knew what it was though, didn't pay it any attention May 19 11:30:01 did anyone try that ContacInfo tool? May 19 11:30:01 fair enough May 19 11:30:39 lcuk: I don't think people are that bothered with what I'm thinking or doing, unless I have something to say May 19 11:30:43 there's also a sync tool which as I understand from the description successfully syncs Calendar (using the Dates application) and Contacts (the internal contacts of the maemo software) very nicely against Evolution May 19 11:30:57 lcuk: and even then they probably don't care! :) May 19 11:31:08 heh May 19 11:31:15 liri, sounds very nice May 19 11:31:21 it does May 19 11:31:32 I haven't had a chance to try it, I will hopefuly do it tomorrow May 19 11:31:32 * lcuk would like to make his bobble heads come to life May 19 11:31:50 and to sync my calendar - just with my other machines tho :) May 19 11:32:21 wel May 19 11:32:33 is there a good way to sync evolution with a nokia 6280 phone? May 19 11:32:56 syncing with phone would be good, but I just can't find the motivation to do that sort of stuff May 19 11:32:58 dunno May 19 11:33:00 then I would have Gmail <-> Evolution <-> Nokia/N810 and that would be NICE May 19 11:33:24 my problem is that none of the services knnow or understand sketches :) May 19 11:33:34 * lcuk will just have to build one that does May 19 11:36:21 lcuk: Plugin to OpenSync and/or Conduit? May 19 11:36:33 * Jaffa hasn't really used either but the theories look good May 19 11:36:37 are they zeroconf? May 19 11:36:39 moo all May 19 11:36:49 ie could my grandma set it up May 19 11:37:15 not really May 19 11:37:23 well, maybe conduit, but not opensync May 19 11:37:52 syncevolution might become interesting once it doesn't depends on funambol stuff May 19 11:37:53 for all we know lcuk's grandma may have written punchcard programmes by hand May 19 11:38:00 heh May 19 11:38:37 knowing my mindset, she prolly reinvented punchcards to be silky smooth to go through the machine faster ;) May 19 11:38:46 I don't really know devices with real pda functionalities and good linux support May 19 11:39:27 something with multiple calendars supports, external calendars, sync, contacts, ldap contacts etc. May 19 11:39:45 lcuk: are you saying you shave your legs? May 19 11:39:54 * RST38x typed "c2h5oh" into Wolfram Alpha and got bullshit back May 19 11:40:26 hey, that looks like gibbrish to me too :) May 19 11:40:26 ah, you need to use the TeX for subscript perhaps... ;) May 19 11:40:30 armpits only i bleach my legs May 19 11:41:32 hi May 19 11:41:38 guys, where can I get flite installed? I see it is only available in the extras chinook repo May 19 11:41:41 Can I enter subscripts into Alpha? Will it understand? :) May 19 11:42:18 Hehehe, try typing Z80 into Alpha May 19 11:42:56 I have a maemo application its running on my x86 maemo emulator i want to put this application on my device N810 what i have to do May 19 11:43:01 ? May 19 11:43:13 RST38x: stick Ethanol in instead, then try putting their interpretation of the formula (ch3ch2oh) back in May 19 11:43:32 coth(3) square Gunter chains x 0 May 19 11:43:34 hmm May 19 11:44:01 I wonder where Gunter comes from in that input...? May 19 11:45:01 "Ch" is short for "Gunter chain". May 19 11:45:09 sanjay6976, you could try building the .deb for it and installing it on device itself.. May 19 11:45:11 At least as a measurement unit. May 19 11:45:33 alternatively you can copy the binary (built for armel) and hope it finds all its deps May 19 11:45:46 if you are tweaking a preinstalled app this works nicely May 19 11:45:53 never knew it was a Gunter chain May 19 11:46:05 lcuk:thanks will try it May 19 11:46:18 np :) May 19 11:46:23 hello danielwilms \o May 19 11:46:38 hmm, http://www46.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=gunter+chain, 1 chain is the length of a cricket pitch (22 yards), sounds a bit small May 19 11:47:04 puttin 42 into wolfram gives me gibberish May 19 11:47:19 i wanted the question May 19 11:47:46 ?=42 May 19 11:48:07 lcuk: You need the next generation knowledge engine: http://wolframsbeta.com/ May 19 11:48:24 lardman: his site is stupid. May 19 11:48:30 s/his/this May 19 11:48:49 derf!!! May 19 11:48:51 try typing "mp3" May 19 11:49:59 Oh shit....I thought Z80 and MP3 were funny... May 19 11:50:07 search box is limited to 200 characters May 19 11:50:16 But try "racoon"! :))) May 19 11:50:19 i wanted to enter pi to 1000000 dp May 19 11:51:02 RST38x: random! May 19 11:51:50 hmm, try this: pi to 10 decimal places, replace 10 with any number, n, note you always get n-1 decimal places May 19 11:52:56 I think we've killed it: "Computation timed out." May 19 11:53:23 if you ask it for "pie to 10 decimal places" it thinks its a measurement May 19 11:53:49 what about "pie for 10 places"? May 19 11:53:51 Whee! "Column[{Null,{}[[2,1]],ItemSize->inf]" May 19 11:54:09 lcuk: N[Pi,1000000] May 19 11:54:28 * lcuk wanted pie tho May 19 11:54:31 im hungry :( May 19 11:54:33 hmmm, pie May 19 11:54:37 Oh. Too bad. May 19 11:54:54 It's a computational knowledge engine. Not a computational food engine. May 19 11:55:42 actually, it tells me the nutricional qualities of pie May 19 11:55:45 if you enter it alone May 19 11:55:55 but a pie to 10dp s a distance May 19 11:56:06 Tea. Earl Grey. Hot May 19 11:56:08 ^nutritional May 19 11:57:02 oh shit! it tells nutricion facts about bacon May 19 11:57:04 NEVER visit it May 19 11:57:43 cool :) http://www46.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=bacon&a=*C.bacon-_*City-&a=*EAC.ExpandedFood.PreparedCuredPorkBacon-_**a.PreparedCuredPorkBacon-.dflt- May 19 11:58:22 you assumed it was a city! May 19 11:58:31 a whole island tho May 19 11:58:37 interesting, specific heat capacity for bacon is 1.51 j/gC May 19 11:58:55 is that before or after ingestion? May 19 11:59:12 dunno, didn't say whether it was wet with water or acid May 19 11:59:30 good point May 19 11:59:34 file a bug? May 19 11:59:54 must be pretty dry though, Cp for water is much higher May 19 12:00:37 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0DbcUUO-hI I didn't know it to be so complicated. May 19 12:00:50 lardman: random was nice =) May 19 12:01:03 Hola Maemo May 19 12:01:06 lardman: care to find out what happens if we input "exit"? :) May 19 12:01:08 heya wazd May 19 12:01:24 wazd: Surely, you haven't drawn that Harmattan screenshot yourself? ;) May 19 12:01:25 roope: you've made me hungry! May 19 12:02:59 RST38x: nope, I'd imagine something more outstanding :) But still I think it's fake May 19 12:03:12 wazd: it looks like a mockup May 19 12:03:27 i wouldn't mind that kind of interface though May 19 12:03:30 seems intuitive May 19 12:04:05 it has 630x909 resolution. What the hell is that?) May 19 12:04:42 hah May 19 12:04:47 wazd: time warping rx-2000 May 19 12:04:53 er, rx-3000 May 19 12:05:06 alters space -and- time to give you a bigger screen May 19 12:05:06 :P May 19 12:05:15 let's do the timewarp again May 19 12:05:19 wazd: vertical 909 is ok, it is scrolled May 19 12:05:38 wazd: horizontal 630 does pose a few questions =) May 19 12:05:41 due in October this year perhaps May 19 12:05:54 Corsac: i've yet to introduce my gf to that movie .. i probably should May 19 12:06:10 Sts: Time Bandits? =) May 19 12:06:11 Also I see some pretty basic UI mistakes so I don't think Nokia would do such stuff May 19 12:06:18 RST38x: nah, rocky horror picture show May 19 12:06:23 oh May 19 12:06:44 Stskeeps: do you have a local theater with a cast? May 19 12:07:17 Corsac: they played it 2-3 years ago, before i started dating my gf May 19 12:07:48 arg May 19 12:09:05 Corsac: he has rx-3000 that bends space and time :D May 19 12:10:23 i wish, then i could go back and slap myself for not taking enough time to study this math May 19 12:16:21 No time like the present. May 19 12:17:51 ~slap Stskeeps May 19 12:17:52 * infobot slaps Stskeeps, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! May 19 12:18:32 bacon time! May 19 12:18:53 * lcuk looks at his watch May 19 12:19:03 its 20 past the bacon May 19 12:19:52 is it? May 19 12:20:05 yeah aquatix May 19 12:20:11 didnt you get the memo :P May 19 12:20:41 i wonder what spec machine we are gonna need to run harmattan May 19 12:20:45 * aquatix never eats bacon at 2PM May 19 12:20:54 your clock is wrong then May 19 12:20:56 hello all ! May 19 12:20:57 its 120 lol May 19 12:21:23 lcuk: no, your clock is wrong May 19 12:21:29 mine is right! May 19 12:21:32 hey Dudacao May 19 12:21:55 hey aquatix May 19 12:22:32 i am closer to mt than you :P May 19 12:22:51 aquatix maemo remains in development ? May 19 12:22:54 gmt May 19 12:28:41 lcuk: butbutbut! May 19 12:28:50 lcuk: enjoy your bacon :) May 19 12:29:02 Dudacao: well, there's maemo5 around the corner May 19 12:29:20 and Mer is getting quite some attention May 19 12:37:32 any hints on nice apps to spend time while flying? May 19 12:37:58 Crimson Fields May 19 12:38:06 just 600kB, lots of time waste May 19 12:38:30 cosmo: Media Player and all eps of Doctor Who from 2005 onwards (my plan for the flight to San Francisco in a couple of weeks) May 19 12:38:37 RST38x: Game, I assume? May 19 12:39:15 yes May 19 12:39:20 i'll install crimson fields. i've seen almost all doctor who's and my gf wants to watch them also so i can't watch the rest :-) May 19 12:40:14 cosmo: I watched them all (at least once ;-)) on first broadcast, so Mrs. Jaffa & Jaffa Jr. have already seen them May 19 12:43:35 * aquatix has the dvd boxes May 19 12:43:53 we're waiting for the new episodes now :) May 19 12:44:05 i think i'll take some muppet show episodes if i get bored of crimson fields May 19 12:45:06 aquatix ty by your attention... and which do we choose... maemo or mer ? May 19 12:45:38 Jaffa: Starting with the B&W one? May 19 12:48:33 Dudacao: that really depends on what you want May 19 12:48:38 Mer is a work in progress May 19 12:48:52 a kind of Maemo (OS2008) by the community May 19 12:49:04 Maemo5 is for the to-be-released RX-51 tablet May 19 12:49:30 N800 will be able to use Maemo5 ? May 19 12:49:38 not likely May 19 12:49:45 that's why Mer is being created May 19 12:50:27 N800 hardware is not enough to Maemo5 ? May 19 12:50:45 but the diablo system you can get on your n800 is nice and fully featured and works currently and has lots of apps for it :) May 19 12:51:51 maemo5 will use a lot of 3D stuff May 19 12:51:52 Dudacao, no, not really. May 19 12:52:00 RST38x: Some of them are lost :-( I think I've seen most from Jon Pertwee onwards, but in really messed up o rder May 19 12:52:06 but OS2008 Diablo works just fine on the n810 and n800 May 19 12:52:11 great.. even maemo.org frontpage doesn't work on maemo browser :-/ May 19 12:52:25 * aquatix loves Tear 0.3.1 May 19 12:52:32 it's damn snappy May 19 12:53:00 yes ! im just using it (OS2008) very nice job... stable... many features/software.. May 19 12:53:46 Jaffa: order does not matter there :) May 19 12:53:52 :) May 19 12:53:52 cosmo, it works fine. May 19 12:54:01 GeneralAntilles: try searching May 19 12:54:23 at least in my just flashed device the search box is too small and the text isn't shown May 19 12:54:27 ty GAN8001 ... May 19 13:03:47 thank you all by attention ! just leaving... May 19 13:03:56 thank you aquatix... May 19 13:08:16 what command that easy-deb chroot icon run to get in chroot environment or is it script? May 19 13:18:50 dneary, ping? May 19 13:19:03 GAN8001: pong May 19 13:20:22 dneary, can you take a look at the ITS to wiki migration thread on Talk? May 19 13:20:47 GAN800: Sure May 19 13:20:50 I had a look May 19 13:21:14 The current situation looks like "the old wiki is off-line - can we have it back please?" May 19 13:21:40 Er, Krisse's Internet Tablet School thread. May 19 13:24:00 * RST38x does not get something: to the best of his knowledge, there is just a handful of ITT threads that are worth archiving in Wiki. Can't these be done by hand? May 19 13:24:25 Basically, select posts containing useful stuff, make a summary, place it at Wiki. Is there anything wrong with that? May 19 13:25:20 RST38x, honestly, that's what I say. May 19 13:26:04 But now we're talking about 3 different things. May 19 13:28:07 heh, everybody going nuts about possibility of unremovable ads widgets in Harmattan May 19 13:28:32 THe funny thing is, the original presentation author probably mentioned them as an afterthought May 19 13:28:32 unremovable = you don't have control of what is displayed May 19 13:28:48 unremovable = you cannot remove them May 19 13:29:18 it all comes down to control and freedom with OSS most of the time May 19 13:29:18 "BTW, if the big cheeses ask us, we can do THIS too" May 19 13:29:50 tank: NITs are commercial devices from Nokia, running commercial software suites based on the free OS May 19 13:30:04 tank: So this "freedom of OSS" stuff does not apply May 19 13:30:24 im saying users of OSS usually want/like freedom and control May 19 13:30:41 And, if you are stupid enough to buy your gadgets subsidized, why do you complain about lack of freedom? May 19 13:30:47 s/buy/rent May 19 13:30:48 It's mostly irrelevant rumor at this point. May 19 13:30:55 Basically, yes May 19 13:31:07 also, i don't believe it would be easy for nokia to hardwire ads :) May 19 13:31:26 Sts: Easy to do it for average consumers May 19 13:31:47 sure, but when even john doe knows what a jailbreak is.. May 19 13:31:54 Sts: Probably less easy to do it to us, but I know a few ways May 19 13:32:02 John Doe won't May 19 13:32:09 Its all about balance, im not on the extreme edge like Richard Stallman May 19 13:32:44 Sts: In fact, it is irrelevant whether these ads can be removed or not May 19 13:33:04 cos most will keep them by standard? ;) May 19 13:33:12 Sts: What matters is that the Phone Company management making Decisions believes that the ads are unremovable May 19 13:33:26 Sts: Same with DRM May 19 13:33:54 Same with antivirus packages BTW ;) May 19 13:35:55 hola May 19 13:36:16 antivirus what? :) May 19 13:37:37 tank-man: btw, you're wrong May 19 13:37:46 most users of software want software that works May 19 13:37:51 Hello May 19 13:37:52 that's all they want May 19 13:37:56 can there be low level virus that will run on every intel no matter what os on it? May 19 13:37:58 when you use a web browser May 19 13:38:01 i said users of opensource software May 19 13:38:03 thux: boot sector virus? ;p May 19 13:38:08 do you want to be able to randomly tweak the bits that are sent over the wire May 19 13:38:08 RST38x: you around? May 19 13:38:12 or do you want it to render youtube? May 19 13:38:52 andrew: yes May 19 13:39:13 thux: there are two ways to do that May 19 13:39:26 thux: One is via BIOS update another via microcode update in the CPU May 19 13:39:48 thux: The microcode update differs from model to model May 19 13:40:07 thux: So it won't "run" on all Intel CPUs May 19 13:40:31 thux: The BIOS update is a bit more reliable but I suspect you won't be able to cover all existing BIOSes May 19 13:40:57 Either way, it is kind of difficult to do invisibly to the user May 19 13:41:03 RST38x: thanks i have wondered that many times, cause many think that os choiche protects virus May 19 13:42:07 but assembler x86 virus is then possible May 19 13:43:06 What is "assembler x86 virus" May 19 13:43:08 ? May 19 13:43:42 Hey, does anyone use emacs on n810? :D May 19 13:44:33 RST38x: like hardware virus May 19 13:44:42 I'm using it with debian chroot and I cannot figure out how to set meta key to chr butto. May 19 13:45:03 (emacs could solve bad calendar issues...) May 19 13:45:08 jeremiah_: may I ask why did you upload gstremaer 0.10.13 to fremantle extras-devel repository, if gstreamer 0.10.22 (newer) is already on the SDK ? May 19 13:45:29 thux:these words do not make any sense to me May 19 13:45:56 Any computer virus compiled into an x86 binary is an "assembler x86 virus" May 19 13:46:14 RST38x: which doesn't need os support don't need windows i mean May 19 13:46:16 "Hardware virus" I do not understand May 19 13:46:31 thux: Ah, yes, that is possible of course. May 19 13:47:29 would anyone know of a libwebkit-1.0-1 library for i386? May 19 13:47:46 the armel lib is there in the repository alright, but not i386 May 19 13:47:47 yeah i have bad english and i don't know much about computers :p May 19 13:48:02 Mikho: Tear/Bundyo's? May 19 13:48:21 we have one, but not for maemo :P May 19 13:50:37 tear/bundyo? May 19 13:50:44 lbt: Hey David May 19 13:51:43 Mikho: well bundyo has made some patches matching with HIM and such so May 19 14:06:27 hmm, no bacon :( May 19 14:08:15 location based bacon delivery service! May 19 14:08:44 will email Holly to request some bacon for supper May 19 14:08:47 you could use the same logistics as pizza delivery May 19 14:09:09 You could just order bacon on a pizza. May 19 14:09:12 lardman, i think that will just get you in trouble May 19 14:09:19 would you like extra toppings with your bacon? What are the choices? Bacon. Yes please. May 19 14:09:22 but then you get all the extra bread stuff May 19 14:09:55 No one says you have to eat it. May 19 14:10:18 yeah, it just dilutes May 19 14:10:36 hmm i might try that then May 19 14:10:52 some pizza places do burgers May 19 14:11:06 a double bacon bacon burger with an extra portion of bacon on the side May 19 14:11:25 found only armel packages... May 19 14:13:47 anyone running a full linux distro on their tablet here? May 19 14:14:34 define "full" maemo itself is a complete distro isnt it May 19 14:14:52 gentoo or ubuntu May 19 14:14:56 something with XOrg May 19 14:16:01 I'd like to know if Virtual keyword would work for Display May 19 14:16:18 before I go out buying a big sd card and start installing it May 19 14:16:51 nobody seems to have tried it, or at least I have found nobody saying anything May 19 14:17:01 pass talk.maemo.org might be better May 19 14:17:14 or see if anyone in #mer has any experience May 19 14:17:21 yep posted a few questions on talk May 19 14:17:34 ok #mer sounds like an idea May 19 14:18:39 oo, does #mer exist now on irc? May 19 14:19:12 it doz May 19 14:19:31 hmm, I don't seem able to join it May 19 14:19:41 or is that my rubbish client playing up? May 19 14:19:57 I just joined it May 19 14:19:59 with pidgin May 19 14:21:48 hmm, bbiam May 19 14:22:39 right, worked that time May 19 14:26:34 lardman, it worked the time before as well May 19 14:26:38 but your ui didnt show it May 19 14:26:44 you joined and quit eventually May 19 14:28:34 hmm, ok, crap client May 19 14:28:37 thanks though May 19 14:28:50 computer's been up too long, and it is a Windows machine May 19 14:29:08 1239/2 hours May 19 14:29:38 yow, nearly a month, no wonder May 19 14:32:07 lardman, did you miss shrove errr patch tuesday? May 19 14:32:43 dunno, were there some recent patches? May 19 14:32:55 Is anyone running Diablo in scratchbox? Can you tell me if the on-screen keyboard works in scratchbox? May 19 14:33:03 I've not had the computer trying to switch itself off I don't think May 19 14:33:41 it normally does May 19 14:33:57 murrayc, not in scratchbox May 19 14:34:17 * lcuk keeps as far away from that as practical May 19 14:34:20 lcuk: Thanks. How annoying. May 19 14:35:00 i didnt think much was included in scratchbox tho May 19 14:35:22 as in a bare bones system to test stuff, and its taken that you have a hw keyboard on your big pc.. May 19 14:37:29 murrayc, actual confirmation, in the known limitations of the sdk-relnotes-4.0 May 19 14:37:31 - Virtual keyboard is not provided. May 19 14:37:41 http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/4.0/maemo-sdk-relnotes_4.0.txt May 19 14:37:58 lcuk: diablo is 4.1 May 19 14:38:33 thats a good point and in checking its not listed as a llimitation in 4.1 May 19 14:38:34 o_O May 19 14:38:50 * lcuk must have a really outdated scratchbox then lol May 19 14:43:30 lcuk: Thanks. I guess it's still a limitation but was not mentioned. May 19 14:44:13 :( May 19 14:44:22 Ha. That document's funny. "Features: ... virtual keyboard", "Known Limitations: Virtual keyboard is not provided." May 19 14:44:48 its a virtual virtual keyboard May 19 14:44:56 hi May 19 14:44:58 you have to bake it yourself and hold it up infront of the screen May 19 14:44:58 Pure virtual. May 19 14:45:27 should call it a quantum keyboard then May 19 14:45:31 hi woglinde May 19 14:45:43 you dont know whether its there or not until you call the interface method May 19 14:45:59 virtual void Keyboard(void) = 0; ? May 19 14:46:10 I'd still like to hear from anyone that's using diablo (4.1). Maybe it's really there now. May 19 14:46:57 Re on-screen keyboard: the middle mouse button in scratchbox simulated the finger press feature, and this worked in people are free to prove me wrong though :) May 19 14:49:03 I'm trying to figure out if I should have any expectation of it working in Fremantle (even future SDK releases). May 19 14:49:38 Which is all part of figuring out how to get the example hildon input method working on Fremantle. May 19 14:51:53 murrayc: yeah, that one doesn't work in fremantle as the fremantle HIM(F) one is hardwired to thumb keyboard. May 19 14:52:33 Stskeeps: Meaning that no plugins are possible ever? May 19 14:53:20 * RST38x sheds a tear for the virtual keyboard May 19 14:53:36 In fact, I only used thumb keyboard a couple of times: I am unable to invoke it May 19 14:54:09 murrayc: well, that is what i'm wondering - i think you may need to diff HIM(F) from diablo to fremantle, - i think they removed stylus keyboard support May 19 14:54:22 They did. May 19 14:54:26 That's intentional. May 19 14:54:33 even from the framework, which is kinda silly May 19 14:54:38 stylus keyboard gone, sure May 19 14:54:41 but from framework? :P May 19 14:54:50 I hope they didn't remove the possibility to implement other input methods. May 19 14:55:09 Yeah, what would be the point of a framework that wasn't a framework. May 19 14:55:22 Sts: I think it is done to avoid it resizing app window May 19 14:55:56 murrayc: i'm willing to admit i'm not 100% sure if it's the cause of Mer that the stylus keyboard doesn't work though. May 19 14:56:01 I am trying to do a native build of libconic before I add it to OE, the configure script complains about missing osso-ic , but I dont see osso-ic in the repo, and if I am not mistaken, it has been replaced..Where am I goofing up ? May 19 14:56:12 rkirti_: icd2-osso-ic or something May 19 14:56:19 murrayc: but when we upgraded to fremantle HIMF it died May 19 14:56:37 Stskeeps: ooh ok. thanks. May 19 14:56:49 Stskeeps: The functionality has been intentionally removed from Maemo in general, though there's no reason to remove it from the framework. May 19 14:56:53 yeah May 19 14:57:06 which is what i tried to hint at in my bug but im not sure they got it :) May 19 14:57:12 Fremantle is obviously all touchy. May 19 14:57:19 Stskeeps: Bug URL? May 19 14:57:46 murrayc: Will be funny if the device comes out with the same unprotected LCD display May 19 14:58:06 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4178 , murrayc May 19 14:58:08 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4178 May 19 14:58:13 (you're cced on that..) May 19 14:58:14 :P May 19 14:58:33 Oh, that one. I was hoping for something to help me with exactly that. May 19 14:58:40 I'm meant to close that bug. May 19 14:58:43 ah May 19 14:58:53 you can implement a thumb keyboard though May 19 14:58:56 since it's hardwired to it :P May 19 14:59:11 lizardo: I was moving tools from diablo to fremantle. I overlooked the fact that there was a newer version of gstreamer. I'll remove the old one and put back the new one. May 19 15:00:22 and honestly a thumb keyboard example makes more sense -- but it would have been delicious if they didn't remove the functionality, since HIMF is supposed to be non-maemo May 19 15:00:36 Stskeeps: Are you Carsten Munk? May 19 15:00:41 yeah May 19 15:00:52 The _real_ Carsten Munk? May 19 15:00:59 no, i have a middle name too May 19 15:01:00 :P May 19 15:01:01 lol May 19 15:01:06 :P May 19 15:01:13 I'm Carsten Munk, and so's my wife. May 19 15:01:15 Is your middle name "Mer"? May 19 15:01:35 Jaffa: How do you tell each other apart? May 19 15:01:36 * jeremiah_ I'm Carsten Munk May 19 15:01:37 Nah, his middle name's "why does this fscking open component have a build dependency on yet another closed library" May 19 15:01:45 heh May 19 15:01:46 RST38x: Boobies May 19 15:01:49 Ah May 19 15:01:59 Carsten has boobies? May 19 15:02:12 this conversation went from technical to extremely weird. :P May 19 15:02:34 * Jaffa 's bad. May 19 15:03:00 jeremiah_: actually, the newer version (gstreamer 0.10.22) is only on the SDK repository, not extras-devel May 19 15:03:27 jeremiah_: so you just need to remove it packages will keep using the version in the SDK repository May 19 15:03:37 murrayc: in order of priorities we're actually mostly interested in fixing the framework being hardwired, but a thumb keyboard is also nice May 19 15:04:18 lizardo, jeremiah_: You only need to add the lib to extras-devel when it is not in the device by default ;) May 19 15:04:53 X-Fade: how do we now whether the package will appear in the device rootfs ? May 19 15:04:58 now -> know May 19 15:05:08 murrayc: because then we can work with stylus keyboards on the devices it makes sense on, and a thumb kbd etc where it's needed May 19 15:05:12 lizardo: Well, if it is in the SDK, it should? May 19 15:05:20 (and we don't need deltas from HIMF in fremantle) May 19 15:05:31 Stskeeps: Yeah. May 19 15:05:48 Stskeeps: But you won't know if it can be done until it has been done. May 19 15:05:53 X-Fade: AFAIK, various packages that appear in the SDK repository will not end up in the device rootfs (as shipped in the product .bin) May 19 15:05:57 murrayc: yeah May 19 15:06:21 lizardo: Well gstreamer is pretty basic. It will be in the device ;) May 19 15:06:29 X-Fade: for sure :) May 19 15:06:32 lizardo: But not all plugins probably. May 19 15:07:11 X-Fade: I was just wondering if knew some (public) way of checking the packages that will be on the device :) May 19 15:07:36 barring dev tools themselves, why should things provided in the Software Development Kit for a device have stuff that will be excluded from the device May 19 15:07:39 lizardo: Not by asking me ;) May 19 15:07:51 murrayc: but finding exactly where it ended up being hardwired might be interesting as well - in the past it searched after stylus plugins and thumb plugins and used them based on what was needed, and i don't see why there can't be a setting to defaulting to thumb keyboard or stylus keyboard :P May 19 15:08:27 Stskeeps: Hopefully I'll have things figured out over the next few days. May 19 15:09:36 yep, feel free to prod me if you need any comments :P May 19 15:22:16 X-Fade: my personal policy regarding this (which we are using for pymaemo) is to not upload any dependencies already shipped in the SDK, and when the actual device becomes available, we upload those packages that are ONLY in the SDK May 19 15:24:04 Maemo Recorder sucks, cuz it records silence -.- May 19 15:32:36 konttori_: ping May 19 15:33:52 luke-jrsometimessilenceisgoodbecauseithelpstodifferentiatethesignalfromthenoisebutiknowwhatyoumean May 19 15:34:21 konttori_: USBControl in Diablo Extras - any reason why not? http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=29046 May 19 15:34:32 lcuk: don't forget to take a breath May 19 15:34:32 * luke-jr glares at lcuk May 19 15:35:05 but silence is more important than noise :) May 19 15:37:37 mgedmin, hiya, are you comin to copenhagen? May 19 15:37:53 * lcuk thinks you are May 19 15:38:10 probably not May 19 15:38:12 it conflicts with a local open source user's meeting May 19 15:39:08 booo May 19 15:39:31 i was told copenhagen is a lovely city, i get the feeling though i wont see too much of it May 19 15:40:04 you can scare peeps on christiana with your finger May 19 15:40:04 :P May 19 15:43:01 Jaffa: pong May 19 15:43:13 hello all ! May 19 15:43:19 Jaffa: why not! May 19 15:43:40 can somebody explain me some things ? May 19 15:45:15 konttori_: need a hand, or can you sort it? ;-) May 19 15:45:19 Jaffa: I'll test on fremantle and then make a package May 19 15:45:24 I can take care of it May 19 15:45:27 konttori_: perfect, thanks May 19 15:45:40 * Jaffa will test on fremantle if you send me a device ;-) May 19 15:48:10 please somebody ? May 19 15:48:33 oDuda: it's better to ask so people can choose. May 19 15:48:56 hahahaha ok thanks Stskeeps ! you here too ?!?!?! May 19 15:49:58 i'm actually a voice inside your head. May 19 15:50:23 Stskeeps: is about Mer too... when i flash it at N800 it will be put directly to card ? May 19 15:54:16 when i flash Mer to N800 where it will be put ? May 19 15:55:56 hmhmh, I missed http://www.mobilecrunch.com/2009/05/18/exclusive-leaked-screenshot-of-nokias-maemo-harmattan/ :) May 19 15:56:55 hi May 19 15:57:23 I want to create a AdHoc with my friends Ipod to connect the ssh-server on his device.. May 19 15:57:44 How can I get the IP of his device on my tablet May 19 15:58:05 nmap May 19 15:58:35 not sure if there's a version for Diablo mind you May 19 15:58:42 is it by default on my tablet May 19 15:58:48 ? May 19 15:58:49 you could always ask him of course May 19 15:59:01 no, you'd need to install it May 19 15:59:03 k May 19 15:59:20 I can make my own package of ubuntu then May 19 15:59:26 thanks lardman May 19 15:59:30 actually hang on a minute May 19 15:59:37 kk May 19 15:59:40 you want an adhoc network between the two devices? May 19 15:59:45 yes May 19 16:00:06 I just created one with my friend but there was no way to get the ip May 19 16:00:19 oh I see, so you have the connection up? May 19 16:00:30 yes May 19 16:00:48 not atm.. I created the connection at school :P May 19 16:00:54 with him May 19 16:00:55 well chances are you'll have a close ip address, so you could just try pinging the ones close to yours, otherwise nmap it is May 19 16:01:15 k May 19 16:01:25 ah, well to connect directly to his device you'll need a server to issue an ip address, or zeroconf May 19 16:01:27 have you found a package for it? May 19 16:01:36 I've not looked lately, sorry May 19 16:01:46 no problem :) May 19 16:02:40 I wonder if, being an Apple product, the ipod supports Bonjour/zeroconf/whatever it's called these days? Or if you'll need to have a dhcp server running for him to connect to? May 19 16:03:21 hasn't every tablet got a dhcp-server? May 19 16:03:35 -client, not a server May 19 16:03:36 the connection between the devices was fine.. May 19 16:03:40 oh ok May 19 16:03:57 so no notifications about problems on both.. May 19 16:05:13 looks like nmap is available for 2007 May 19 16:07:45 anyway, I hope it works May 19 16:07:47 cu all later May 19 16:09:54 hi all May 19 16:09:59 http://www.mobilecrunch.com/2009/05/18/leaked-nokia-bringing-maemo-to-phones-could-be-ad-supported/ May 19 16:10:11 this and the follow-up http://www.mobilecrunch.com/2009/05/18/exclusive-leaked-screenshot-of-nokias-maemo-harmattan/ May 19 16:10:29 bogus? May 19 16:10:58 looks interesting May 19 16:11:24 yeah, but good publicity May 19 16:11:45 except for the "lastest" May 19 16:12:10 heh May 19 16:12:29 whoever came up with the organizer with the kinetically scrolling page needs a medal May 19 16:12:39 that's actually bloody brilliant May 19 16:14:08 kinetically scrolling? May 19 16:16:38 GeneralAntilles, ping May 19 16:17:00 but it would be interesting to see nokia uising maemo on their phones May 19 16:17:18 bad though if they used too many closed-source apps for the phone parts May 19 16:17:22 definitely May 19 16:17:29 if it's a phonet or at mode, who cares? :P May 19 16:17:30 Stskeeps, isnt that the norm now :P ive had a kinetic disorganiser for months now May 19 16:17:33 it's 80-20% still May 19 16:17:46 what's a kinetic stuff? :/ May 19 16:18:11 kinetic scroll May 19 16:18:13 like in Tear May 19 16:18:20 tear? May 19 16:18:22 Tear? May 19 16:18:34 Corsac, panning around a screen using kinetic bursts and the page carries on when you list hand up May 19 16:18:45 liqbase makes extensive use of it :) May 19 16:18:53 lift ^ May 19 16:18:54 GeneralAntilles, ah, uh... unpinging :) May 19 16:19:11 yeah but I never used libqbase, sorry :> May 19 16:19:27 is the iphone using it? May 19 16:19:49 I think I saw someone doing that, so if it is, ok, I understand :) May 19 16:19:54 i dunno ive never used an iphone May 19 16:20:11 andre_k: you're not coming to cph btw? May 19 16:20:11 oh, sorry yes i have May 19 16:20:12 andre_k: Hmm, #3942 is beginning to annoy me May 19 16:20:16 once May 19 16:20:18 (is libqbase available in maemo repositories?) May 19 16:20:25 yeah May 19 16:20:47 the original stable version :) the new framework is progressing steadily :) May 19 16:21:12 Stskeeps, i will be in cph in 10 days. who spread wrong rumors?! :-P May 19 16:21:25 andre_k: you're not on participants list :P May 19 16:21:31 oh May 19 16:21:32 there May 19 16:21:35 bloody mozilla May 19 16:21:35 WHAT? May 19 16:21:37 ah. May 19 16:21:38 yeah. May 19 16:21:46 tell me in their face! in cph!!! :) May 19 16:21:53 Corsac, new framework doofer preview: http://liqbase.net/liq.20090519_002913.lib.scr.png May 19 16:21:54 Jaffa, yes, it sucks May 19 16:21:58 whoever made ff3 unstable needs a beating, yes May 19 16:21:59 :P May 19 16:22:35 Jaffa, hope it will receive more attention in the next weeks. i should ping again... May 19 16:25:49 lcuk: Seriously, get in touch with wazd about the UI May 19 16:57:46 http://www24.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=P%3DNP%3F May 19 16:58:09 under development? ;) May 19 16:58:30 They'll e-mail you when they figure it out. May 19 16:59:24 hehe May 19 17:11:37 can't seem to install daemon tools in win7 May 19 17:11:40 that kind of sucks May 19 17:12:14 andre_k, pong? May 19 17:12:27 Oh, nevermind. May 19 17:26:33 andre_k, any chance you could be available this Sunday or Monday? May 19 17:28:41 well... got daemontools to install afterall May 19 17:28:52 lol, Mer vs Android May 19 17:28:54 ugh. why can't win7 have multiple desktops May 19 17:28:56 bastards May 19 17:29:00 GAN800: not getting into that one.. May 19 17:29:00 :P May 19 17:29:05 Where to begin. . . . May 19 17:29:15 Stskeeps, do it. May 19 17:29:25 GeraldKo isn't a troll May 19 17:29:25 i have my academic career to save atm May 19 17:29:25 :P May 19 17:29:38 Good education opportunity. :p May 19 17:30:34 in psychology, not cs though May 19 17:30:57 GAN800, monday definitely, sunday maybe May 19 17:31:16 don't know exactly when to go back home on sunday, i'm currently travelling a bit :) May 19 17:31:28 but might work later in the evening (europe time) May 19 17:32:27 andre_k, Monday is perfect. I can get most of the work done on Sunday then we can hammer out the rest Monday. What time is best for you? May 19 17:34:03 [12:34:40] Mike_lifeguard | Macer: I just meant that linux has had that for a long time... I was implying that linux is better... which is it :D May 19 17:34:14 it is that kind of ignorance that makes me hate linux sometimes :) May 19 17:34:23 GAN800, monday until/before 17:00utc i can definitely be around :) May 19 17:34:24 just like catholic priests that rape boys May 19 17:34:32 cool May 19 17:36:35 Macer: Catholic priests don't rape boys May 19 17:36:46 demons do? May 19 17:36:53 daemons May 19 17:36:57 demonic frauds, at least May 19 17:37:10 must be the govt water flouride May 19 17:37:37 luke-jr: i agree May 19 17:37:48 but there are too many linux users that make statements like that May 19 17:38:18 i was telling him that i was suprised that win7 didn't have multiple desktops May 19 17:38:41 and i also stated that multiple desktops is not a "feature of Linux" but a feature of the wm that you use in X May 19 17:38:57 X which is run on a ton of operating systems :) May 19 17:39:28 GeneralAntilles: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=288634&postcount=624 May 19 17:39:41 I have never understood multiple desktops without tiling windowmanager... It's a chaos anyhow. May 19 17:39:47 but i am still kind of pissed MS couldn't throw in a few lines of code to make multiple desktops May 19 17:39:58 Razumihin: it comes in handy sometimes May 19 17:40:13 i use it a lot in osx May 19 17:40:27 Macer: I have tried but it annoys me more than helps. May 19 17:40:45 heh, the trick is to have at most 2 windows per workspace May 19 17:40:49 Razumihin: heh. guess it's a taste. but win7 should have at least had the feature. maybe it does and i just haven't seen it May 19 17:40:51 But I normally use xmonad so almost any other wm seems annoying.. May 19 17:40:59 then instead of a big mess on your only desktop you have four or more clean workspaces May 19 17:41:18 mgedmin: Yes and a tiling windowmanager May 19 17:41:21 It May 19 17:41:22 mgedmin: or use a ulti high res 52" monitor? :) May 19 17:41:32 's no use when you're wasting the space. May 19 17:41:34 ultra May 19 17:42:05 that would be nice to have.. just mount it on the wall behind the desk or something... then you have all the space in the world haha May 19 17:42:20 mgedmin: the real trick is to do away with anything but 2-3 xterms :) May 19 17:42:24 and maybe a web browser May 19 17:42:53 hm. guess is hould try to install openoffice on win7 May 19 17:43:05 * mgedmin likes xchat May 19 17:43:15 i sure wish androffice woudl come out already.. i need something for my G1 that i can do office work on May 19 17:43:26 what i would give for cups on my g1 :) May 19 17:44:46 hey when is the new tablet coming out? May 19 17:44:55 wish we knew May 19 17:44:55 never!!! May 19 17:44:57 :) May 19 17:45:02 lol May 19 17:45:16 they have to get rid of the n810 surplus first May 19 17:45:16 i'm tired of waiting May 19 17:45:29 get a gigabyte x86 based tablet May 19 17:45:42 they have one that looks exactly like an n810 May 19 17:45:46 * Macer hides under a rock May 19 17:45:59 cost? May 19 17:46:00 oh? are those good? don't know anything about em. May 19 17:46:25 absolutely cool May 19 17:46:28 lbt: ping? May 19 17:46:36 they can run Office! May 19 17:46:38 macer link? May 19 17:47:37 RST38x: haha... are you being serious? May 19 17:47:51 i thought they were cool too but i figured people were kind of hateful here of atom based stuff May 19 17:48:03 Dantonic: i will see if i can find it again May 19 17:48:23 oh atom, isnt battery life very crappy? May 19 17:48:39 http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS2016342472.html May 19 17:49:14 Dantonic: but you are going to have it plugged in most of the time aren't you? May 19 17:49:32 no May 19 17:49:33 The 6.0 x 3.1 x 0.9-inch device sold by Aigo and Gigabyte weighs a scant 10.6 ounces and offers 3.5 to 5.5 hours battery life May 19 17:49:48 3.5 to 5.5 of battery life while in use doesn't seem too bad to me May 19 17:50:19 but you can always buy spare batteries :) especially if you are willing to pay $500-600 for that thing May 19 17:50:23 Macer: they can ship me the N810 surplus May 19 17:50:32 I'll take it off their hands.. May 19 17:50:42 luke-jr: weren't you telling me earlier how crappy you thought your n810 was? May 19 17:50:43 :) May 19 17:50:46 Macer: indeed May 19 17:50:52 haha May 19 17:51:03 but with so many, I could justify spending the time to reverse engineer it all May 19 17:51:05 possibly May 19 17:51:12 i think the n810 would be great if sprint and clearwire actually had wimax in more than like...1 small city May 19 17:51:14 THEM all? :) May 19 17:51:15 :) May 19 17:51:15 and make it USABLE May 19 17:51:30 Macer: N810 doesn't do WiMax May 19 17:51:32 out of my price range, was looking around 300 to 400 May 19 17:51:39 luke-jr: there is a wimax version May 19 17:51:46 Macer: not in stock anywhere, AFAIK May 19 17:51:48 or was May 19 17:51:51 er..... May 19 17:51:52 I heard it was silently discontinued May 19 17:51:53 it was discontinued May 19 17:52:04 since you can't get wimax connectivity anywhere anyway May 19 17:52:05 they all sold out in baltimore :) May 19 17:52:08 the entire stock is probably there haha May 19 17:52:11 lol May 19 17:52:12 but black helicopters did not descend and take the worlds stock away May 19 17:52:14 mgedmin: that is what i meant May 19 17:52:22 * RST38x can get WiMax connectivity pretty much anywhere May 19 17:52:23 Macer: Diablo doesn't even have WiMax support IIRC May 19 17:52:25 baltimore is the only city that has it May 19 17:52:29 i just tether my n800 to my cell and have 3g wherever May 19 17:52:36 or at least, the Diablo initfs doesn't have the WiMax firmware May 19 17:53:03 RST38x: I challenge you to come *here* and get WiMax connectivity May 19 17:53:06 hm, is it possible to tether for phone, not just data? May 19 17:53:12 http://www.amazon.com/Nokia-02700T6-Portable-Internet-Tablet/dp/B001CZJIIM/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1242755568&sr=8-1 May 19 17:53:28 luke-jr: are you serious? May 19 17:53:41 Macer: yeah May 19 17:53:43 i think it is but haven't seen a prog for it yet May 19 17:53:43 luke-jr: .. be a bluetooth headset maybe May 19 17:53:43 mgedmin: You have got 3G cell, do not complain May 19 17:53:44 :) there are plenty of them May 19 17:53:45 i didnt realise the g1 was so low resolution May 19 17:53:47 there's a daemon for it May 19 17:54:03 Stskeeps: hm, might be good enough May 19 17:54:14 that Boost plan has too low bandwidth for VoIP May 19 17:54:17 tso mentioned one, -i think- May 19 17:54:26 so I was thinking, have my PBX dial the phone and bridge May 19 17:54:36 might be expensive tho May 19 17:54:44 unless May 19 17:54:44 macer plenty of what? May 19 17:54:50 wimax n810s :) May 19 17:54:55 maybe I can have N810 tell the phone to dial my PBX? May 19 17:54:55 oh May 19 17:55:33 luke-jr: that sounds similar to what skype's abortion did on the g1 May 19 17:55:41 i'm still pissed about that May 19 17:55:51 O.o May 19 17:56:00 it calls a number (using minutes) and not only kills minutes but skype credit in the process May 19 17:56:02 just here ! May 19 17:56:05 :) May 19 17:56:07 >_< May 19 17:56:07 Macer: neat May 19 17:56:18 luke-jr, i'd love a prog that would allow me to answer my phone and speak through my n800 'phonelink' had a glimpse of that, letting you answer from n800 but can't speak through it May 19 17:56:27 Stskeeps: not really. i just wifi tether my wifi skype phone to my g1 May 19 17:56:28 Macer: now noone can bitch about skype on n8x0 :P May 19 17:56:29 hmm May 19 17:56:29 i wanna remove some icons from Maemo menus... hows ? May 19 17:56:33 Stskeeps: lol! May 19 17:56:41 skype on the tablet was great May 19 17:56:47 (compared to most) May 19 17:56:58 anyone know if Freerunner hardware is open? May 19 17:57:06 although i think that the n95 with fring was the best (when att wasn't acting like shit which it usually did) May 19 17:57:09 maybe we could do a community project to combine N810 with Freerunner XD May 19 17:57:26 http://nohands.sourceforge.net/ May 19 17:57:29 port this and be famous May 19 17:57:30 and make it clamshell while we're at it May 19 17:57:54 hahaha May 19 17:57:56 Macer: can you make call with fring over edge? May 19 17:57:59 Stskeeps: how does it need porting? May 19 17:58:03 (that's a daemon to act as a bluetooth handset) May 19 17:58:04 oilinki: over 3G you can May 19 17:58:05 nfi May 19 17:58:07 but port it May 19 17:58:08 never tried edge May 19 17:58:14 but the 3G here from att is CRAP May 19 17:58:18 you can answer calls on your phone using your tablet headset that way prolly May 19 17:58:21 even their voice system is crap here in chicago May 19 17:58:36 constantly dropping and disconnecting May 19 17:58:38 Stskeeps: oh, it's GTK May 19 17:58:42 losing net connections May 19 17:58:44 it's horrible :) May 19 17:58:45 i cant answer that May 19 17:58:52 so you mean rewrite as a daemon, and make a Qt interface ;) May 19 17:59:05 they tried to blame it on my (at the time) $550 n95 May 19 17:59:07 lol May 19 17:59:19 Macer: ok. also n810 voip over the phone 3g works as well. May 19 17:59:22 so i put my sim in one of their awesome $20 razors May 19 17:59:33 oilinki: i know May 19 17:59:39 i used to do it wifi tethered to my G1 May 19 17:59:46 Stskeeps> you can answer calls on your phone using your tablet headset that way prolly can u do that??? May 19 17:59:54 tmob here is awesome. it's a shame my n95 doesn't support their freqs :( May 19 17:59:56 oilinki: is that practical with the crappy 5 GB limits? May 19 18:00:03 Dantonic: if it gets ported May 19 18:00:04 i want a tmob 3G supporting n95 May 19 18:00:18 what prog is it? May 19 18:00:29 i used phonelink May 19 18:00:45 this weechat color is kind of irritating May 19 18:00:50 i think i might go back to irssi :) May 19 18:01:01 luke-jr: different world out here. in singapore there is no limits. in thailand only edge and timelimits. May 19 18:01:02 n800 and palm 650... but i cant answer... n800 only advise... May 19 18:01:04 i thought the windowing system was interesting but i think not anymore May 19 18:01:13 oilinki: ah May 19 18:02:21 <--------- Dantonic May 19 18:02:55 so hang on... it is possible to make the N800 work as a bluetooth extension of the cell phone? May 19 18:03:04 leave it to ms to stick people with this stupid vista start menu May 19 18:03:08 DavidePalm: i used a Palm 650 and N800(OS2008) to connect May 19 18:03:09 i hate the newer start menu :) May 19 18:03:29 oDuda a palm 650? May 19 18:03:37 N800 see Palm ringing... but do not gets me responding it May 19 18:03:40 yes ! May 19 18:03:41 luke-jr: and on some cases it makes sense even with limits. I'm using voip to call other countries, which in this way is much cheaper (and I have my own number where to call back as well) May 19 18:03:45 Macer, theres a fix for that May 19 18:03:50 hold on lemme get u a link May 19 18:04:06 right but you cannot speak through the N800? May 19 18:04:07 http://www.ubuntu.com/ May 19 18:04:13 lcuk: hahahah! May 19 18:04:14 DavidePalm: techically if fsomeone implemented that deamon, and speak through n800 or headset May 19 18:04:17 :P May 19 18:04:27 * Macer points at the new default kde menu May 19 18:04:28 yes ! i cant respond through the N800... May 19 18:04:43 i need a win box ;) May 19 18:04:47 Stskeeps idk what fsomeone is that's a prog? May 19 18:04:50 DavidePalm i used phonelink May 19 18:04:53 Macer, be thankful your entire os isnt covered in a ribbon May 19 18:05:02 lcuk: hahahhaa! May 19 18:05:05 true May 19 18:05:08 * mgedmin finds this picture: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Ki_XGZxWsq4/ShLaBtjJf_I/AAAAAAAAFdw/vWvn1yQwL3A/s1600-h/harm.jpg overloaded and confusing May 19 18:05:23 ya oDuda but phonelink just let's you answer... kinda useless it would be nice if you could fully use your phone through the N800 May 19 18:05:23 all-ribbon os is probably coming in win 7 May 19 18:05:24 me too marius May 19 18:05:35 theres no grouping and everything is flat and same May 19 18:05:44 apart from the pretty looking map :$ May 19 18:05:49 * lcuk likes that bit May 19 18:06:07 DavidePalm so, i cant answer through... but N800 warns a call... May 19 18:06:09 DavidePalm: no, the no-hands thing May 19 18:06:10 yeah, it's a splash of colours in the otherwise semi uniform grey blob ;) May 19 18:06:29 * lcuk should use his free spot on liqbase currently to put map back May 19 18:06:30 oDuda, ya but the phone rings and warns me too i dont really see the point May 19 18:06:37 mgedmin, have you seen recent views May 19 18:06:45 probably not May 19 18:06:49 DavidePalm point ? May 19 18:06:50 I read maemo planet May 19 18:06:53 but not ITT May 19 18:06:55 http://liqbase.net/liq.20090519_002913.lib.scr.png May 19 18:07:09 oDuda, I don't think it's very useful May 19 18:07:10 this one I've seen May 19 18:07:17 its better to touch :) May 19 18:07:27 but where's the anti-aliasing??? :) May 19 18:07:34 it all feels as fluid as the older one did :) May 19 18:07:46 omg and frigging user authorization crap May 19 18:07:51 aa on 225dpi isnt really needed.. May 19 18:07:55 it's like sudo without the need for a password May 19 18:08:03 but if there were more processing power it would be added :) May 19 18:08:04 DavidePalm yes you need to have the TWO devices to talk, when only one does the work :-) May 19 18:09:00 DavidePalm know, its funny to see a neighbor advising you that palm 650 is ringing... hahahahaha May 19 18:09:06 gotta go shopping May 19 18:09:10 bbl May 19 18:09:39 palm messed up naming it WebOS May 19 18:09:49 web is so 1990s May 19 18:10:21 DavidePalm the N800 shows a menu: Ok / Cancel - but nothing works... May 19 18:10:21 tell that to the arachnaphobiacs May 19 18:10:59 lcuk: that's a new UI? May 19 18:11:17 oDuda, when receiving a call? May 19 18:11:30 I cant find how to remove an icon from maemo menu... May 19 18:11:33 oDuda yes but I can't answer it from phone link can I? May 19 18:11:33 DavidePalm yes ! May 19 18:11:43 I mean I have to still pick up my phone May 19 18:11:45 and answer that May 19 18:12:08 DavidePalm i think we cant answer... but Nokia says that its is possible... May 19 18:12:47 yeah... plus phonelink doesnt even work with my phone :( SE TM506 May 19 18:13:14 wonder if virtualwin will work with win7 :) May 19 18:13:25 phonelink seds SMS too... but do not receives... May 19 18:13:26 bah May 19 18:13:30 Macer: what was your nexenta issue the other day though? May 19 18:13:33 sends * May 19 18:13:58 Stskeeps: i was going to use a samba pdc for all net auth and fileserving May 19 18:14:05 yea.. oDuda that's useless to me heh May 19 18:14:12 i couldn't access the ldap database for some reason May 19 18:14:12 Macer: ah May 19 18:14:25 DavidePalm useless to all of us... May 19 18:14:30 even after installing it and trying to use the pw from the apt-get install May 19 18:14:32 I mean it could be a great program if it was made to work properly... May 19 18:14:38 but the way it is is kinda pointless May 19 18:14:43 it kept telling me that i was using the wrong password :) so i gave up for now May 19 18:14:57 but sooner or later i need to turn it into an auth server May 19 18:15:06 although for the windows boxes.. using samba will work for that just as well May 19 18:15:22 DavidePalm navigate through the Palm 650 Edge is too expensive here... but was a more resource... May 19 18:15:30 but i was hoping on getting AD working with samba and using it as a pdc that works across multiple operating systems May 19 18:15:50 mostly linux wind and osx .. i'm sure all 3 can access a samba pdc May 19 18:16:04 i may very well not require ldap for this but it would be nice to figure out May 19 18:16:27 and it has to be the nexenta box because that one has the most kick to it May 19 18:17:51 it also took me a minute to figure out how nexenta makes zfs snapshots :) May 19 18:18:05 that was bit of a learning curve as half my stuff disappeared when i accidently rolled back 2 months May 19 18:18:14 hehe May 19 18:18:41 ever put your keys down. and you check your pockets and they aren't where they are normally and you have that moment of dread before finding them on a counter? May 19 18:18:47 <-- leaving | Bye All !!!!... May 19 18:20:25 blah screw this. i'm goign to get a burger May 19 18:20:37 working on getting this win7 box where i need it to bee May 19 18:20:44 to bad it is going to expire at the end of 2010 May 19 18:22:01 Stskeeps: does the opensuse build environment work on a 64bit system? May 19 18:22:20 i think so, it's all python afaik May 19 18:22:24 hrmrm May 19 18:22:36 http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20090514PD215.html <- touchscreen rumour May 19 18:25:55 Stskeeps: you should work on making an n800 hurd kernel May 19 18:25:57 * Macer grins May 19 18:26:39 Macer: /whois stskeeps May 19 18:26:54 that said, i have actually studied the hurd source. May 19 18:26:54 :P May 19 18:31:08 Stskeeps: don't get it May 19 18:31:13 -@- [Stskeeps] (n=chobits@84.238.11.16): death to all gnubies May 19 18:31:21 gnu hurd. :P May 19 18:31:40 aren't you using a ton of gnu tools in mer? :) May 19 18:31:55 sure, doesn't mean i have to like some off their followers ;) May 19 18:32:02 of May 19 18:32:16 anyway, it comes from a time when i had a very nasty encounter with debian-legal :) May 19 18:32:29 has stayed there since May 19 18:33:12 you know. it was the angel Gabriel who came to mohammed and gave him the prophecies May 19 18:33:53 wasn't gabriel the messenger or did i forget my biblical upbringing? :P May 19 18:33:59 the same gabriel of the old testament .. and in the koran mohammad calls christians and jews men of god May 19 18:34:08 :) May 19 18:34:10 yeah, i know that May 19 18:35:02 so basically there has been tons of blood spilled.. over the same God May 19 18:35:30 hence... 1239123676378564 linux distributions... and a hurd kernel that can not be made May 19 18:35:30 yup May 19 18:36:06 Hello, where can I find "Click to install!" icon in scalable graphic format? Thanks May 19 18:36:18 because program development seems to follow the path of religion :) May 19 18:36:30 disagreements over the same goal May 19 18:36:56 Macer: I think you'll find that programming and religion follow the path of human history there May 19 18:37:14 kfx: well. i think i have to agree with you there ;) May 19 18:37:39 i don't understand why debian-legal would have such a hissy fit when the slogan is "free and open software" May 19 18:38:22 i think they should change it to "somewhat free when we agree with what you are doing and only open if you conform to our intepretation of what the main goal is software" May 19 18:38:57 or... SFWWAWWYADAOOIYCTOIOFS May 19 18:39:44 pronounced "Sfwayadiositofis" (because that sounds latin and witty) May 19 18:40:13 or "tofis" for short May 19 18:40:23 wow, just played with the vbox image, pretty nice! need some im,email, and voip and i'd use it daily May 19 18:40:48 Macer: what's the problem with debian? May 19 18:41:47 luke-jr: well. i am no developer. but evidently anybody that wishes to do anything nearly resembling debian they have a hissy fit May 19 18:41:58 O.o May 19 18:42:02 then try to control the project May 19 18:42:11 then when they can't .. say the project isnt this or that May 19 18:42:22 Macer: ah, my encounter wasn't OS related May 19 18:42:29 then say it shouldn't have gnu it its name becuause 2 lines of code were this or that May 19 18:42:57 it is amazing how much control certain "projects" try to impose on this idealogy of free and open software May 19 18:43:44 which is why i think MS and apple go it right with their dictatorship of their individual goals :) May 19 18:43:50 go/got May 19 18:43:58 and why i love fascism May 19 18:44:00 haha May 19 18:44:20 Macer: naw, MS and Apple dont have stylish uniforms, the Real Fascists did! May 19 18:44:40 locutus: they do on the top floors :) May 19 18:44:40 MS and apple have a simple goal - making lots and lots of money May 19 18:44:47 suihkulokki: exactly May 19 18:44:52 but at least it is a common goal May 19 18:44:57 Macer: sick May 19 18:45:02 Macer: you're amazed by the control certain projects try to impose, yet you admire MS/apple way of doing thing? :) May 19 18:45:03 where as gnu's goal was to make free and open software May 19 18:45:12 * locutus starts singing May 19 18:45:15 HACKERS BE FREE, BE FREE May 19 18:45:19 lol May 19 18:45:19 SHARE THE SOURCE May 19 18:45:23 AND HELP YOUR FELLOW MAN May 19 18:45:34 Corsac: yes.. because no matter what this is the style that is imposed everywhere else anyways May 19 18:45:52 someone will disagree with the development of a distribution.. they will say fuck you.. make their own. and then start imposing the same rules May 19 18:46:03 at least when a dev goes to apple or ms.. they know where they stand May 19 18:46:16 they give their idea.. and if it is accepted it stays and if it is not it goes May 19 18:46:40 if they see an idea that isn't theirs.. they strongarm it with money and take it as their own May 19 18:47:22 that's the beauty of free software - if you are not happy where debian, redhat or gentoo is going.. you can fork and go the way you prefer :) May 19 18:47:40 devs for gnu or open based things do not.. they are confused. like Americans who think that free speech really means they can say anything May 19 18:47:44 "fuck off with your 'startrek ideas'" May 19 18:47:52 * Stskeeps gets the popcorn May 19 18:47:59 suihkulokki: which is why there are more distributions than you can count now May 19 18:48:06 and why ms and apple still rule the OS world :) May 19 18:48:36 BUT I CAN LIVE IN MY OWN PRIVATE WORLD May 19 18:48:47 bwhaha. just passed 666 thanks on iTT. May 19 18:49:06 locutus: you can if you make something from start to finish. but like anything else. you will see that others like it and will soon become the monster you once hated May 19 18:49:09 Macer: that's also because the general public don't even know there is another thing than that `windows thing' May 19 18:49:30 aquatix: because there isn't a strong linux marketing structure May 19 18:49:37 Macer: i run Debian with a homebrewn desktop environment on top May 19 18:49:41 it is the radio controlled airplane of the OS world :) May 19 18:49:41 Macer: i still LIKE it (: May 19 18:49:57 Macer: and see how popular those are now :) May 19 18:50:08 amongst all of them Redhat probably has the best structure for marketing in a "niche" market May 19 18:50:38 ubuntu has good marketing by pushing netbook and MID deployments May 19 18:51:17 when you have a lot of individuals all fanning out instead of staying the course because they dont have to. you wind up with Linux May 19 18:51:27 when you have a dictatorship .. you have ms and apple :) May 19 18:51:52 multibillion dollar conglomerates with employee health spas and game rooms May 19 18:51:52 fwiw the american army is replacing fighter jets with radio controller plane squadrons.. much cheaper and safer :) May 19 18:52:20 suihkulokki: and they probably use a windows app to control them :) May 19 18:52:59 in the Marines they used Redhat for a blue force tracker system that kept updates of units on the ground. i thought that was interesting. nice to see that the redhat dictatorship is working somewhat May 19 18:53:24 they should call it "Free" and not open when describing what linux is :) May 19 18:53:52 because the openness will only keep it where it is... the thing that never was in mainstream desktop use May 19 18:54:11 May 19 18:54:16 hahah.. bbl. going to eat May 19 18:56:22 Macer: actually -due- to 'open'ness Linux is rather popular in the defence industries May 19 18:56:51 maybe special applications May 19 18:57:05 but i am willing to bet that about 90% of military end user desktops use windows May 19 18:57:12 yes DESKTOPS May 19 18:57:16 but not integrated systems May 19 18:57:21 like say, Aircraft avionics May 19 18:57:25 see the JSF for example May 19 18:57:27 true. which accounts for a very small percentage May 19 18:57:40 of actual use May 19 18:57:53 the US DOD will only license OS'n for which they get full source access for in weapons systems May 19 18:59:11 which again. accounts for an incredibly small amount of linux based use May 19 18:59:26 plus.. most defense contractors use proprietary operating systems May 19 18:59:36 which the develop and maintain on their own May 19 19:00:06 so debian-legal doesn't come along asking for the source used to run the nuclear warheads May 19 19:01:29 yeah, that'd be a blast of a gpl violation to find May 19 19:01:29 :P May 19 19:01:39 Macer: iirc they use EMP-proof ppc workstations at control centers May 19 19:02:21 (for the rc control that is, the discussion has wandered) May 19 19:02:21 well. when iw as in the military i never got the chance to tour the warhead bunkers :) May 19 19:02:37 fiferboy: pong May 19 19:02:53 lbt: Hey, how's it going? May 19 19:02:58 of course, EMP shielded computer is expensive like shit and complete overkill for a enemy like taliban May 19 19:03:06 not bad... been busy for the past couple days May 19 19:03:17 suihkulokki: i don't think they had the taliban in mind when creating those types of things ;) May 19 19:03:25 I wrap all my PCs in tin foil May 19 19:03:28 ok. going to get some food. ttyl May 19 19:03:28 MUHAHAHAHAHA May 19 19:03:43 lbt: Understandable. May 19 19:04:12 I haven't had any stability problems with your Qt build May 19 19:04:23 that's good May 19 19:04:34 I did, but only when I tried to get it to climb the stairs May 19 19:04:44 nothing a little duct tape can't fix though May 19 19:04:57 I have added some api calls into it May 19 19:05:13 bool fingerScrollable(); May 19 19:05:15 void fingerScrollable(bool); May 19 19:05:24 and a dynamic property too May 19 19:05:31 stair climbing? May 19 19:06:00 lbt: I imagine these API calls have to be inside an "#ifdef HILDON" ? May 19 19:06:13 yes... but I also did qabstractscrollarea->setProperty("FingerScrollable", true); May 19 19:07:17 and I was wondering about handling a dynamicProperty event May 19 19:07:24 which wouldn't need it May 19 19:07:32 but I think that's overkill May 19 19:07:34 Ah, so it defaults on and can be over ridden on a widget-by-widget basis May 19 19:07:43 yes May 19 19:07:48 Jaffa: ping May 19 19:07:55 I think QTablet needs to disable it May 19 19:08:26 or, if you grow your own you can do May 19 19:08:52 if ! property("FingerScrollable")... setup-my-event-filters... May 19 19:08:59 That sounds good. May 19 19:09:20 Jaffa: I made an upload to extras-devel now. It's still a blind packaged version, I haven't tested it yet on fremantle, nor diablo device. May 19 19:09:31 so, if it builds, could you verify that it works. May 19 19:09:33 What about accessor functions to change things like VMAX and decceleration? May 19 19:09:49 no, nothing like that yet... May 19 19:09:59 minimal API that works May 19 19:10:07 I have my small cub sleeping in my arms atm and it's pretty hard to test stuff. Typing works though. May 19 19:10:24 bear cub? May 19 19:10:26 I'll then also upload it to fremantle. May 19 19:10:47 I did wonder about PrivateScroller cf AstractSlider May 19 19:10:48 lol. baby. anyway, she's just snoring so much that cub feels more accurate May 19 19:11:17 instead of fingerScrollable() etc May 19 19:11:29 hello all. May 19 19:11:57 having fingerScroller() return an object pointer to a QAbstractScrollAreaPrivateScroller May 19 19:12:21 and then setFingerScroller() to replace it with a tweaked one May 19 19:12:42 so if you want to change VMAX then just reimpliment May 19 19:12:43 is there an easy way to get the mac address with python? May 19 19:13:05 Macer: http://digitalproducer.digitalmedianet.com/articles/viewarticle.jsp?id=731015 May 19 19:13:13 (or we extend QAbstractScrollAreaPrivateScroller API and you instantiate one and ammend it and set it) May 19 19:14:05 nb the term panController may make it compare with pannableArea May 19 19:14:17 which I think gtk uses May 19 19:15:06 what the heck? May 19 19:15:16 as soon as I try to type something in an ssh session, my n810 falls offline May 19 19:15:21 lbt: Actually, I think VMAX is okay but it seems to slow down too quickly May 19 19:15:26 I blame the AP and maemo's power savings, of course May 19 19:15:30 What is the decceleration? May 19 19:15:44 50% May 19 19:16:35 OVERSHOOT_DECEL_PC May 19 19:17:42 lbt: Do you know how that compares to the h-p-a decelerarion property at 0.9? May 19 19:18:00 I doubt they are 1:1 equivalent, depending on how each implements deceleration May 19 19:18:03 wait... May 19 19:18:08 DECEL_PC = 85 May 19 19:19:20 * mgedmin wonders if sysklogd logging into a tmpfs is a good idea or a bad idea May 19 19:20:17 Ah,so I would think they are fairly close. May 19 19:20:34 just looking at h-p-a.cc May 19 19:20:50 mgedmin: there's a circular syslogd in busybox i think May 19 19:21:43 1:1 by the look of it... so long as they use the same framerate May 19 19:27:30 * mgedmin tries to remember if there are any access point settings that might play bad with nits May 19 19:31:47 hm, DTIM is already set to 1, beacon interval is 100ms May 19 19:36:08 rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 490.189/20743.724/49717.384/14067.338 ms, pipe 39 May 19 19:36:22 ouch, a latency of 49 seconds (!) May 19 19:41:28 mgedmin, :) just the person i was thinking of May 19 19:42:42 im just at the point of transfering the license for liqbase GPL to the library as LGPL, the widgets and apps I have created and continue to create under the GPL are still valid to stay and are ok to be linked to the LGPL arent they May 19 19:43:08 uh, yes May 19 19:43:12 you know that IANAL, right? May 19 19:43:47 i know :) May 19 19:43:59 but i also know you spoke very wise works in Berlin :) May 19 19:44:02 words May 19 19:45:20 infact, ill hold off on the change for now May 19 19:47:00 konttori_: pong May 19 19:47:16 konttori_: will do May 19 19:47:49 Jaffa: it's in diablo May 19 19:48:03 not in chinook. if you say thumbs up, I'll upload to chinook as well May 19 19:48:13 * Jaffa will test post-Daily Show May 19 19:48:35 cool May 19 19:49:09 aquatix, yes May 19 19:50:42 * mgedmin has UI hate May 19 19:51:00 aaargh "cannot edit connection while connected to the internet" -- then GIMME A "DISCONNECT" BUTTON DAMNIT!!!! May 19 19:51:24 and it's a modal subdialog of a modal subdialog, so I have to close three windows before I can disconnect, and then I have to re-open those windows back May 19 19:51:45 "sorry cannot disconnect whilst connection closing warning dialog onscreen" May 19 19:51:57 Nokia UI designers, be happy there aren't Internet-controllable voltage spikes connected to your chairs May 19 19:52:11 :) May 19 19:54:09 mgedmin, that would actually be quite relaxing for some folks May 19 19:54:18 * lcuk used to have a TENS machine May 19 19:54:58 * Myrtti wants one May 19 19:56:24 * mgedmin wonders if "tens" is a googlable word May 19 19:56:36 lbt: Finger scrolling still does wierd things when dragged off horizontally May 19 19:57:02 http://luke.dashjr.org/tmp/handheld-shell.png <-- ideal case IMO May 19 19:58:45 a physical implementation of that is probably tricky May 19 20:00:11 luke-jr, "open typing in hand" works until you want to press the screen - the 810 has annoying habit of tipping backwards - that is principle reason for my wooden crate :) May 19 20:00:29 mgedmin: That dialgoue pisses me off too (both for UI & technical reasons ;-) May 19 20:00:32 my x41 is a rotatable slate May 19 20:00:53 and that does everything mentioned in that picture apart from the kickstand May 19 20:01:26 point May 19 20:01:38 the picture doesn't depict "fits in a pocket" May 19 20:02:13 oh i missed the in pocket bit lol May 19 20:02:26 didnt the old zauruses do that lot tho May 19 20:02:46 the transition between tablet and open (typing in hand) is different, I suspect May 19 20:03:04 http://www.ma.utexas.edu/users/voloch/Hall/zaurus4.jpg May 19 20:03:07 the x41 wants you to swivel the screen 180 degrees and then open/close it May 19 20:03:14 the picture implies sliding like on a n810 May 19 20:03:44 TRANSFORMERS robots in discguise May 19 20:03:50 +spelling May 19 20:04:04 * lcuk blames it on the finger from hell May 19 20:04:34 does anyone remember the rubics magic May 19 20:07:33 you disguised that word obviously, I was able to recognize it anyway! May 19 20:07:47 heh May 19 20:08:15 speaking of transformers, http://www.bigbadtoystore.com/bbts/product.aspx?product=TAK10927&mode=retail&picture=out May 19 20:08:28 are you homebound for a while then marius, or are you jetsetting anywhere exciting in the near future May 19 20:08:42 I'm relaxing (um, er, that is, working) at home May 19 20:08:56 lcuk: huh? May 19 20:09:28 if you rpess on the screen of the 810 with the keyboard open the 810 tips backwards.. May 19 20:09:39 i give up May 19 20:09:48 somebody get me a secretary. STAT May 19 20:09:53 lcuk: not if you're holding it.. May 19 20:10:26 which *is* the entire purpsoe of that position May 19 20:10:29 sometimes it tips back even with keyboard closed May 19 20:10:43 but how can you touch-type if you're holding it in one hand, eh? May 19 20:11:41 * lcuk cant touch type at all at the moment May 19 20:11:50 its SO strange to use wrong fingers to do typing May 19 20:11:52 mgedmin: thumbs May 19 20:12:06 you cant use your thumbs if its on the desk May 19 20:12:13 then you type like normal :p May 19 20:12:14 and you cant draw if its upright like a laptop May 19 20:12:26 so when you draw on the 810 it tips back May 19 20:12:30 like i said originally May 19 20:12:32 fine, scrap the touchscreen and add an eraser-mouse May 19 20:12:49 but i bought a fuffin touch device so i could draw on it May 19 20:12:54 :P May 19 20:12:58 so have both May 19 20:12:59 -.- May 19 20:13:07 ewww no May 19 20:13:14 sigh May 19 20:13:14 i wouldnt polute liqbase with mouse input May 19 20:13:22 pollute May 19 20:13:22 screw liqbase May 19 20:22:56 * mgedmin now wants to control the n810's volume over ssh May 19 20:23:22 alsamixer? May 19 20:24:49 apt-cache search mixer -> not much May 19 20:25:27 there are probably dbus commands May 19 20:26:19 gconf! May 19 20:32:21 ouch, dash has no functions May 19 20:33:04 can someone tell me why python's uuid class keeps returning a different result for the uuid.getnode()? May 19 20:33:49 word May 19 20:34:08 hm May 19 20:34:18 mgedmin: most certainly it does. May 19 20:34:28 have I got the syntax wrong then? May 19 20:34:34 weechat doesnt seem to work too well in connectbot May 19 20:34:35 probably May 19 20:34:37 most likely May 19 20:35:13 * mgedmin is writing a shell script to gently fade out the music May 19 20:36:09 name () { command1; command2; .. } May 19 20:36:22 I forgot the () May 19 20:41:39 Is there aynoen here that programs in python for the maemo? May 19 20:41:48 I need some definite help with getting the mac address. May 19 20:41:55 uuid.getnode() fails every time. May 19 20:42:44 and by "fails" you mean? May 19 20:42:56 ah, returns different addresses May 19 20:43:04 well, it seems to work just fine for me May 19 20:43:08 OS2008, python 2.5.2 May 19 20:43:40 hm, python 2.5.2-1osso2 from I've-no-idea-where May 19 20:43:47 the version in repository.maemo.org is 2.5.2-1osso4 May 19 20:46:24 app manager doesn't offer upgrades May 19 20:47:11 my fade-out script, if anyone's interested: http://pastie.org/483285 May 19 20:49:19 Nice May 19 20:59:41 Hmmm...the Pope apparently travels with a little refrigerated case containing human blood. May 19 20:59:46 going to try out quake live May 19 20:59:47 h3h May 19 20:59:50 er.. heh May 19 21:00:11 RST38x, to feed upon! May 19 21:00:51 Sts: We'll never know... May 19 21:40:27 hey folks May 19 21:40:42 has anyone seen Wolfram|Alpha yet? May 19 21:41:08 who *hasn't*? May 19 21:41:23 * jaem_N810 is late to the party May 19 21:41:28 apparently May 19 21:41:52 although, @Myrtti, I can think of lots of people May 19 21:44:39 I heard about it, but haven't seen it May 19 21:44:54 it's pretty cool May 19 21:44:56 well, ok, I've seen screenshots May 19 21:44:59 haven't tried using it May 19 21:45:23 it still has a long way to, as they admit May 19 21:45:32 but it can do a lot already May 19 21:50:58 needs more recent data May 19 21:51:07 INPUT! May 19 21:51:18 gigabytes of input! May 19 21:53:26 the sample page for the ISS position cannot make up its mind whether it's over China or Australia May 19 21:55:52 lcuk, ping May 19 21:56:59 man i love this server with nexenta on it May 19 21:57:07 well... more so zfs than nexenta May 19 21:57:19 i think i really want to try out fbsd on it and see how well the zfs stuff works with that also May 19 21:57:30 but im getting sustained topped out gbit connections :) May 19 21:57:31 hello all. May 19 21:57:39 is there anyone here that is a python developer on the maemo device? May 19 21:57:46 I need help with a uuid problem. May 19 21:58:01 namely, that uuid tries to call ifconfig. May 19 21:58:07 which it needs to be root to do. May 19 21:58:32 BUT I can't/don't want to have it run as root. May 19 21:58:50 tds5016: you don't need to be root to run ifconfig May 19 21:59:02 well, it's not in your $PATH by default May 19 21:59:07 but you can run /sbin/ifconfig May 19 21:59:12 hmm, why doesn't it show up for me unless I'm root? May 19 21:59:27 it's a good question May 19 21:59:30 what error do you get? May 19 22:00:22 hmm, apparently it does work? May 19 22:00:29 if I give it the absolute path. May 19 22:00:38 uuid won't get it thoguh :-/. May 19 22:00:51 \o VDVsx May 19 22:01:07 lcuk, just tried your liqbase playtest :P May 19 22:01:19 were you in performance mode :$ May 19 22:01:34 and did you run the script rather than the all in one mega one May 19 22:01:57 shite. May 19 22:02:04 lcuk, the screen flick's in some of the mini app, but is very cool :P May 19 22:02:15 mgedmin: it just returns a different mac address each time. May 19 22:02:15 run it again May 19 22:02:17 it wont flicker May 19 22:02:32 I'm pretty sure it's failing, because I THINK the eigth bit returns as a 1. May 19 22:02:34 thats a known bug which will have a known fix by the time the package will come May 19 22:02:36 which is what should happen. May 19 22:03:03 Macer: I'd thought of trying Nexenta, but my question was ... Why? It seems like an odd idea May 19 22:03:03 (some n810s cannot handle drawing 800*480 without flicker on the FIRST run after a reboot) May 19 22:03:06 tds5016: what version of python do you have? May 19 22:03:17 lcuk, will reboot, my brother is drawing a rabbit right now, lol May 19 22:03:26 heh in liqbase? May 19 22:03:31 lcuk: is this a new version you're talking about? May 19 22:03:35 you dont need to reboot May 19 22:03:42 you need to just run again :) May 19 22:03:46 yeah jaem_N810 May 19 22:03:48 ooh May 19 22:03:50 i have a shaky playtest May 19 22:03:57 has it hit extras-devl? May 19 22:04:01 devel* May 19 22:04:03 not even close May 19 22:04:06 lol May 19 22:04:13 mgedmin: 2.5 on the maemo May 19 22:04:22 this is for a specific reason May 19 22:04:25 tds5016: apt-cache policy python2.5 May 19 22:04:30 when its ready there will be a package :) May 19 22:04:32 but not before May 19 22:04:36 lcuk: okay :P May 19 22:04:38 what is that? May 19 22:04:50 a command that will tell you the exact package version May 19 22:04:50 lcuk, ok, and I saw my ugly face in the program also:(, I gonna sue you :P May 19 22:05:00 lcuk: can I get the source to play around with, at least? May 19 22:05:05 the heads are good :) May 19 22:05:12 hm, uuid.py is actually uuid.pyc and it's hidden inside /usr/lib/python25.zip on my n810 May 19 22:05:19 * jaem_N810 is a sucker for prerelease May 19 22:05:23 the code handles any res there, i just did the heads cos i wanna be able to start talking to you May 19 22:05:34 mgedmin: it's in .zip for me, as well. May 19 22:05:37 pre-pre-pre-alpha? Why not?! May 19 22:05:38 the sketch button should eventually open a sketch based conversation window (with txt as well) May 19 22:05:54 Does anyone here do Qt development? May 19 22:06:10 yes coldboot lbt and some others May 19 22:06:23 and they are very good at it :) May 19 22:07:02 VDVsx, did you see how quick and smooth the kinetics on the calendar are ? :$ May 19 22:07:14 or were you not in performance mode ? (me curses that mode) May 19 22:07:36 I'm getting flickering when you click anything derived from QAbstractItemView on the n810, but not in scratchbox. May 19 22:07:49 VDVsx, as root: echo performance >/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor May 19 22:07:59 mgedmin: any ideas? May 19 22:08:02 lcuk, yaeh very, I only ran the script May 19 22:08:04 It only happens on the first click, and it happens even if it's a blank QAbstractTableView with no model set. May 19 22:08:12 coldboot, have you checked the known bugs on the maemo qt4 garage page May 19 22:08:14 tds5016: tell me the version of your python2.5 package May 19 22:08:17 or in the maemo bugzilla May 19 22:08:30 lcuk: I'll go look, thanks. May 19 22:08:32 VDVsx, i keep strumming it like a guitar May 19 22:08:38 installed: 2.5.2-losso4 May 19 22:08:40 i want audio May 19 22:08:41 mine is 2.5.2-1osso2, and uuid works fine May 19 22:08:44 mgedmin: May 19 22:08:50 we need a band with all the maemo instruments May 19 22:08:51 lcuk: What words other than "flicker" would probably be used? flash... May 19 22:08:55 ugh, maybe I'm using it wrong? May 19 22:09:01 so, something seems to be broken in the newer version May 19 22:09:01 mgedmin: I'm on an n810. May 19 22:09:02 interesting May 19 22:09:04 so am I May 19 22:09:05 coldboot, just look for bugs involving your class? May 19 22:09:11 I must've installed it months ago May 19 22:09:19 that might be a good start May 19 22:09:21 mgedmin: run it several times. May 19 22:09:25 I did May 19 22:09:28 and make sure it consistently returns the same. May 19 22:09:32 same, correct, MAC every time May 19 22:09:34 with a different python process? May 19 22:09:40 ah, no, I haven't tried that May 19 22:09:56 try that real quick, because that's where my error is :-) May 19 22:09:56 vdv, the calendar is editable you know.. May 19 22:10:13 mgedmin: maybe I'm doing something wrong? can you show me what you have for it? May 19 22:10:23 I just run: May 19 22:10:27 import uuid May 19 22:10:31 uuid.getnode() May 19 22:10:40 print str(uuid.getnode()) May 19 22:10:45 I ran python -c 'import uuid; print uuid.getnode()' 10 times, got the same value each time May 19 22:11:06 yeah, try killing off that python instance, and running a new one? May 19 22:11:10 btw hex(uuid.getnode()) may be nicer, especially if you want to compare with the mac address shown in ifconfig May 19 22:11:16 if it still works, I need something new :-) May 19 22:11:30 did you see what I did? I ran a new python process every time May 19 22:11:44 let me upgrade to 2.5.2-1osso4 May 19 22:11:57 lcuk, can't figure out how to do that :P May 19 22:12:11 lcuk: Where are the known bugs on the garage page? Wouldn't they just be all in Bugzilla? May 19 22:12:14 /media/mmc1/_cal is required May 19 22:12:43 coldboot, i dunno ive been there once, i know they have a big list of bugs for qt May 19 22:12:59 it might be there, but bugzilla will tell you that May 19 22:13:06 mgedmin: thanks for the help! :-) May 19 22:13:20 gaah, ssh session timed out, silly AP May 19 22:13:34 VDVsx, then once that folder exists clicking on the header (where the daynumber is) will show the editor May 19 22:13:47 tds5016: works fine May 19 22:13:51 ~ $ for n in `seq 10`; do python -c 'import uuid; print uuid.getnode()'; done May 19 22:13:53 ugh. May 19 22:13:58 same answer each time May 19 22:14:01 lcuk, gonna try May 19 22:14:02 lcuk: There are 6 open bugs for Qt on the garage site... May 19 22:14:03 try running python. May 19 22:14:05 then running it. May 19 22:14:08 then ctrl+d May 19 22:14:11 then run it again. May 19 22:14:15 tell me if you get the same? May 19 22:14:18 I'm lazy May 19 22:14:27 how is that going to be different from python -c '...' ? May 19 22:14:30 (it might be something with the way I'm doing it? May 19 22:14:37 well, it'll force a different process? May 19 22:14:48 SO DOES PYTHON -C! May 19 22:14:51 sorry for shouting May 19 22:15:12 Hey, zakkm1 May 19 22:15:17 * lcuk laffs May 19 22:15:24 mgedmin: okay, just wanted to make sure. May 19 22:15:25 jaem_n810_afk: it goes pretty fast May 19 22:15:29 tds5016: why don't you try for n in `seq 10`; do python -c 'import uuid; print uuid.getnode()'; done and see if you get different results? May 19 22:15:35 to make sure we're doing the same thing May 19 22:15:40 hey jaem May 19 22:15:48 Macer: better than others, or just generally fast? May 19 22:17:16 tds5016: maybe the problem is not with python but with something else? does /sbin/ifconfig return the same value always? May 19 22:17:29 it should. would being on a vpn screw it up? May 19 22:18:27 hm... maybe it picks up a different device? May 19 22:18:35 maybe it picks a device *randomly* May 19 22:18:46 hey, that makes sense -- it's generating an uuid May 19 22:18:59 * mgedmin opens uuid.py on his laptop May 19 22:19:20 hmm. May 19 22:20:08 * jaem_n810 is going grocery shopping May 19 22:20:11 farewell May 19 22:20:56 no, it seems too be pretty deterministic... May 19 22:21:06 oh, the issue is that it's on the vpn client. May 19 22:21:08 damn. May 19 22:21:40 well, time for me to get some sleep May 19 22:21:42 good luck! May 19 22:21:50 thanks man, that's what the issue is thoguh. May 19 22:21:56 it's having issues with it being on the vpn :-) May 19 22:22:02 can anyone else help me out with this issue? May 19 22:23:12 lcuk, is possible to add widgets in the playground ? May 19 22:23:42 the desktop managers eventual job will be to select them May 19 22:23:55 at this point, there is a command line syntax to select those running on startup May 19 22:24:18 lcuk, ok, np :) May 19 22:24:25 if you run vworld/vworld alone it enumerates and loads all widgets currently available May 19 22:24:46 this works best on a large format display that can handle many apps May 19 22:25:03 our tablets run better with 4-9 :) May 19 22:27:24 blast I think mgedmin was the only one willing to help. haha. May 19 22:27:25 :-( May 19 22:56:53 hm May 19 22:56:55 guess he left :) May 19 23:40:45 Can someone tell me how to force uuid to grab a specific mac address in python? May 20 00:25:19 hmm, how do I set the hostname on maemo? May 20 00:47:16 tds5016: same as any other linux system May 20 00:47:24 echo my_new_hostname > /etc/hostname May 20 00:47:35 oh. nice. May 20 00:47:46 haha, I was thinking it was in hosts. May 20 00:47:48 ;-) May 20 00:47:54 good call. thanks! May 20 00:47:59 np :) May 20 00:58:06 grr May 20 00:58:06 damn. how do I get to the special characters on the n810? May 20 00:58:07 haha. May 20 00:58:13 why does my N810 shutdown if I unplug the power cable? May 20 01:01:27 luke-jr: battery empty? May 20 01:01:34 nomis: it's been on the charger for hours May 20 01:01:38 and turning it back on works May 20 01:02:10 and the battery status indicator shows its fully charged? May 20 01:04:20 nomis: I don't have such a battery status indicator May 20 01:04:28 due to Nokia's stupid kernel using non-standard interfaces May 20 01:05:07 no idea then. May 20 01:10:17 if I change the hostname, should network connections freak out before a restart? May 20 01:39:13 hi all. i would like to have a look at os2008. what do i need to dl to run it in virtualbox? May 20 01:41:33 got it already. thx May 20 01:54:31 elementz: i used 2007 and 2008 and don't understand why people would stick with 2007 May 20 02:19:28 guys, what should I do when I run ./initfs_flash but it doesn't ask me anything and boots straight to the flash? May 20 02:19:44 there's a command, I just don't remember what it is. Something with ask: May 20 02:33:17 go openoffice web site go May 20 02:33:32 with your blinding 50K/s speeds! May 20 02:34:27 they're just getting hou used to the operating speed of the softwzre May 20 02:34:39 s/z/a/; May 20 02:34:47 s/hou/you/; May 20 02:35:09 I need n810 typing practice :/ May 20 02:36:51 lol **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed May 20 02:59:57 2009