**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat May 23 02:59:57 2009 May 23 03:00:57 hi, I have an N810 that came with mmc0 unpartitioned/unformatted. Where can I get something like fdisk to take care of that? May 23 03:06:56 opium flowers are nice looking May 23 05:30:27 morning May 23 05:32:18 can i use cellphone gps with n800 over bluetooth? May 23 06:07:42 Morning May 23 07:26:29 matan, in initramfs May 23 07:27:40 its cpio gzipped, with a uboot header (extract from gzip magic) May 23 08:27:44 mornin maemo May 23 08:28:03 moo lcuk May 23 08:29:55 hey rst \o May 23 08:37:38 whats that mean? May 23 08:42:24 Infekta, whats what mean May 23 08:44:04 its a head with a hand in the air May 23 08:44:11 \o May 23 08:44:42 said i recieved a ''CTCP VERSION'' May 23 08:45:14 means someone wants to know what irc client you are using May 23 08:45:28 u were hacked! May 23 08:45:44 in star trek talk, you were scanned May 23 08:46:02 Infekta: It means you are being hacked! May 23 08:46:13 shields up! May 23 08:46:25 Infekta: Look around: are there any suspicious shadows behind you? May 23 08:46:27 quick, raise the shields, dim the lights, modulate the yoghurt machine and bring me a coffee May 23 08:46:36 lol May 23 08:46:47 lcuk: prepare two-three red shirt for sacrifice after the break May 23 08:47:02 s/shirt/shirts I guess May 23 08:47:03 ill be in my ready room, errr getting ready May 23 08:47:06 it was sent from freenode so i imagine it was more wondering what IRC client im using May 23 08:47:20 The server is hacking you May 23 08:47:35 the freenode race have been involved in a long galactic battle with undernet for a while now May 23 08:47:39 Haven't you read in newspapers that IRC is where pirates and terrorists are? May 23 08:48:10 RST38h, did you see my vid last night May 23 08:48:19 no, where is it? May 23 08:48:33 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vt7qB37sLLo May 23 08:50:15 how often do wifi nets disable themselves and go to sleep May 23 08:50:26 depends May 23 08:50:35 a router is not supposed to disable itself May 23 08:50:56 your tablet will turn wifi off after a while of inactivity May 23 08:51:09 ta May 23 08:51:13 a few pings usually make it come back though May 23 08:51:26 if its turned off how can it hear a ping May 23 08:51:49 Oh my god! It is an OPERATING SYSTEM in that video! May 23 08:52:05 lcuk: My guess is that it raises it from the dead every now and then May 23 08:52:13 once every few minutes May 23 08:52:30 Surely Stskeeps or some other guys should be able to tell more precisely May 23 08:52:37 RST38h :O its not May 23 08:52:43 its just my playground :$ May 23 08:53:21 looks like a media player based on this stuff would eclipse Canola May 23 08:53:44 * RST38h had to abandon ideas of using Canola yesterday - makes video unwatchable May 23 08:54:33 nahh barring the "omg the music is with the songs" i havent considered a media player lol May 23 08:54:56 lol May 23 08:54:56 now u guys are CTCP spamming me May 23 08:54:59 well i am here for that reason @RST38h May 23 09:04:50 is someone pinging me lol? May 23 09:05:59 RST38h, wakes up every second or two I believe, the router has to support holding messages in a buffer to deal with devices that use PSM May 23 09:06:45 ahhh thx johnx May 23 09:06:48 hiya btw May 23 09:07:02 hey lcuk May 23 09:07:08 are you ready for flying May 23 09:07:12 yup, yup May 23 09:07:17 excellent May 23 09:07:21 got it all ironed out with my work too :) May 23 09:07:22 flying? May 23 09:07:23 hey rm_you May 23 09:07:23 are you gettin same flight as rm May 23 09:07:28 hey May 23 09:07:29 johnx: found a job? May 23 09:07:29 heh speak of the devil May 23 09:07:35 lol @ "going to bed" May 23 09:07:40 ehlo rm_me May 23 09:07:43 yo May 23 09:07:46 RST38h, yup, back at the same place I was before my little adventure May 23 09:07:58 lcuk, yes May 23 09:08:08 lcuk, yeah, rm_you and I are back in the same area for a while May 23 09:08:14 rm_you, i know you are gettin the same flight as rm_you May 23 09:08:16 so these incremental pings im getting are from freenode itself? May 23 09:08:16 I see you're getting there around the time we are May 23 09:08:24 johnx: so obs is downloading like... all of Mer tonight, for funsies May 23 09:08:26 yeah i am May 23 09:08:38 rm_you, good deal May 23 09:08:40 rm_you, :D something magical happened May 23 09:08:48 lcuk: lol? May 23 09:09:03 johnx, rm_you its a good job you too are mates, otherwise you will be throwing things at each other around the plane May 23 09:09:12 rm_you, (and johnx as well) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vt7qB37sLLo May 23 09:09:13 lol May 23 09:09:14 Infekta, I don't think it's normal to see more than one or two every so often. how many are you getting May 23 09:09:34 two every few minutes or so May 23 09:09:41 johnx, streisand effect, he pointed it out, everyone started it May 23 09:10:13 woo, theres a flash10 deb? :P sweet May 23 09:10:15 hey, cool. you have a neat tag browser :D May 23 09:10:29 rm_you, yeah, for i386 May 23 09:10:35 should be in official ubuntu repos May 23 09:11:02 damn, lcuk that looks slick as hell May 23 09:11:11 sliq May 23 09:11:12 working on flash... lol May 23 09:11:13 johnx: Heh =) May 23 09:11:26 there we go May 23 09:11:32 johnx, yeah it does :) it feels great as well May 23 09:12:01 RST38h, yup. small company, great people. nice to see the same faces as two years ago May 23 09:12:04 where did you find the flash 10 for deb? May 23 09:12:16 brb (bacon) May 23 09:13:14 mmmm bacon! May 23 09:13:32 mm tablet May 23 09:13:33 Infekta, if you're on ubuntu, you already have it :P May 23 09:13:40 this channel is really active tonight May 23 09:13:48 lag May 23 09:13:51 if you're on debian, steal it from ubuntu :) May 23 09:13:52 its not tonight anymore May 23 09:13:53 tonight? its 10am ! :) May 23 09:13:59 ~ugt May 23 09:14:00 somebody said ugt was Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html May 23 09:14:09 anyways, I'm off to bed for real now May 23 09:14:15 'night all May 23 09:14:19 cya later johnx \o May 23 09:16:06 'It is not a moral standpoint but a fiscal one,' an official said. 'Prostitution is not an illegal act in Germany, but not paying tax on earned money is. May 23 09:16:48 Oh, she has to pay 19% VAT too =) May 23 09:18:21 RST38h: lolwut? May 23 09:19:27 rst, i had a dream about that damned scp article about the surgical statis machine \@ May 23 09:19:40 brb need to reboot May 23 09:19:48 oh damn, can't May 23 09:20:08 lcuk: The one that carefully disassembles victims into parts and delivers each body part in a plastic cube? =) May 23 09:20:12 rm_you, you are right, no rebooting, have you seen the video May 23 09:20:18 yeah May 23 09:20:24 well that is why i need to reboot, for sound May 23 09:20:42 lcuk: that not even the scariest medical device they have got there =) May 23 09:20:46 * lcuk points a rather flaky yucky finger @ u May 23 09:20:54 rm_you: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1185928/Teen-auctioned-virginity-8-000-LOSE-half--prostitutes-Germany-taxed-50-earnings.html May 23 09:21:06 no i bet its not, but the idea behind that is mindblowing May 23 09:21:28 rm_you: vanother virignity-on-ebay stunt gone horribly wrong, I hope this girl isn't studying accounting =) May 23 09:21:38 she only got 8000?? wasnt there one that did it for 3million or something May 23 09:21:51 lcuk: .RO, heavily discounted May 23 09:21:55 heh May 23 09:22:05 * lcuk would sell his virginity for 3 million May 23 09:22:14 lcuk: you have any left/ May 23 09:22:15 ? May 23 09:22:15 i have warcraft account details to prove it lol May 23 09:22:32 im joking of course lol May 23 09:22:48 lcuk: Weird part is I started watching Fringe yesterday, on a suggestion from a friend, and the plots are not nearly as good as SCP May 23 09:23:04 scp is intruiging May 23 09:23:14 a very good idea May 23 09:26:12 what is SCP? May 23 09:26:27 besides a way to transfer files securely :P May 23 09:27:36 rm_you, RST38h will have to link you May 23 09:28:02 ok. 2nd life sucks May 23 09:28:03 heh May 23 09:28:05 * Macer rm -rf May 23 09:30:11 * rm_you rm -rf's YOU May 23 09:31:01 In Soviet Russia, You rm FR May 23 09:31:12 rm_you: scp-wiki.wikidot.org May 23 09:31:38 damn, that's a pretty bad website name May 23 09:31:53 try explaining that on the phone to someone who's not an expert with computers May 23 09:32:03 rm_you: full of stuff like this http://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-217 May 23 09:32:06 its .com but i found it May 23 09:32:06 P May 23 09:32:08 :P May 23 09:32:11 lol. "In the Mossad we have a saying, knives don't run out of bullets." May 23 09:32:29 Macer, lol May 23 09:33:16 haha May 23 09:36:07 lolwtf May 23 09:36:20 RST38h: that is so very very random O_o May 23 09:38:41 anyone here use gmail with the built in mail client? May 23 09:40:22 amr, yes, with imap May 23 09:41:01 im using pop and i cant seem to connect to smtp.googlemail.com May 23 09:41:10 retrieving is fine, sending wont connect May 23 09:41:19 although again, this could be my uni internet messing things up May 23 09:41:20 ok now rebooting May 23 09:47:20 hey lcuk i saw your liqbase vid on utube.. but i still dont quite get what it does May 23 09:47:31 which one May 23 09:47:56 the ''lcuk liqbase overview'' video May 23 09:48:09 i suppose having volume would help rofl May 23 09:48:13 theres 5 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vt7qB37sLLo May 23 09:48:18 thats the latest one May 23 09:48:20 ah ok May 23 09:48:49 ok wow that is pretty awesome May 23 09:49:06 watch the whole thing :) May 23 09:52:14 will do May 23 09:55:13 lol ok there got sound May 23 09:55:18 now to watch the video again May 23 09:55:39 while scratchbox/maemo-sdk installs May 23 09:56:30 who is GearzVoNKod3 May 23 09:57:04 yay sound May 23 09:57:12 do you get many donations? >_> May 23 09:57:14 curious May 23 09:57:15 no subtitles tho May 23 09:57:49 take your curiosity elsewhere May 23 09:57:58 lol, i keep forgetting just how British you are :P May 23 09:58:23 * rm_you wishes he had or even could fake a British accent May 23 10:00:01 * RST38h adheres to Odo theory on the subject of accents May 23 10:00:58 which is? all i can remember about odo is he has a bukkit May 23 10:02:34 Odo -> shapeshifter? May 23 10:02:40 <_< May 23 10:02:46 lives in a bukkit May 23 10:03:14 cuz he has shapeshifter AIDS <_< May 23 10:03:15 im gearzvon kod3 May 23 10:04:00 ahh Infekta lol i havent had any comments on that vid for a while :P May 23 10:04:09 rofl @ the bukkit comment May 23 10:26:57 lol May 23 10:27:24 Infekta, you infected with something May 23 10:27:27 you laugh randomly May 23 10:28:10 i laugh at what im doing May 23 10:28:45 i just hijacked my home network with ettercap and am pissing my fam off, then playing stupid about it May 23 10:29:40 tsk May 23 10:34:28 brb again May 23 10:34:58 Infekta: hijacking their pr0n? May 23 10:52:12 does the 'maps' application built in to the n810 actually find your location? May 23 10:52:30 i don't think i've actually had the gps working yet May 23 10:52:37 gps might take a while May 23 10:52:52 how long is a while? 10 mins? May 23 10:53:55 yep, certainly the first time May 23 10:54:02 with agps it is a bit faster May 23 10:54:08 indoors forever probably May 23 10:54:25 well im on top of the highest hill in the city if that helps May 23 10:54:30 with it sat on the windowsil May 23 10:54:51 my 6210 navigator gets signal pretty sharpish May 23 10:55:00 antenna envy May 23 10:55:08 the 810 looks over at the guys with bigger wangs May 23 10:56:30 lol May 23 10:57:36 amr, i dont have problems with gps normally in the car - but something i always do before taking it out is a cold reboot May 23 10:57:53 because ive had it sit there with full view of the sky for hours and not get a lock May 23 10:58:10 then after a reboot and put back in same place it got a lock near instantly May 23 10:58:21 * lcuk has a cargo cult attitude lol May 23 10:59:13 is there some kind of tracking app? May 23 10:59:28 hmm, maybe mapper can do that May 23 10:59:52 i saw a post on the talk.maemo about that May 23 10:59:52 depending on what you search for the uk gov will do the tracking for oyu May 23 11:00:08 lcuk, not a lot of cameras in the woods I go to :P May 23 11:00:18 I probably should not have said that on a logged channel. May 23 11:00:36 if you go down to the woods today you are in for a big surprise.. May 23 11:00:42 ah stuff it May 23 11:00:45 ill fiddle with the gps later May 23 11:00:54 I'm on ma bike, FASTER THAN THE SUN May 23 11:01:02 ive got email sortedish, pidgin sorted, mcalendar sync'd with google May 23 11:01:08 now time to sort my contacts May 23 11:01:30 cool May 23 11:01:50 any way to import over bluetooth? May 23 11:02:03 from my phone May 23 11:02:50 i dunno, never tried May 23 11:03:02 hmmm May 23 11:05:21 * aquatix would like to sync contacts too May 23 11:05:32 now it's only synched with my IM stuff May 23 11:05:56 hmm, that might do May 23 11:06:02 ive got the nokia pc suite installed May 23 11:06:09 i suppose i could pull the contacts off from my phone May 23 11:06:15 and then upload them to the tablet May 23 11:07:23 there's an import option in Contacts May 23 11:07:29 not sure what kind of file it takes May 23 11:07:47 direct neural connection May 23 11:07:52 ah May 23 11:07:57 sounds nifty May 23 11:08:01 paper? May 23 11:08:14 RST38h: nah, that's too advanced May 23 11:08:16 scans paper with a camera, translates all contacts into kanji and stores them? May 23 11:08:23 (hm, OCR on the NIT would be cool) May 23 11:08:32 scan of a photo taken of a printout placed onto a wooden table May 23 11:08:34 RST38h: enough phones can do that May 23 11:08:38 apart from the kanji part May 23 11:08:43 lcuk: lol May 23 11:08:44 heh May 23 11:08:51 what's that note taking program that uses images? May 23 11:08:52 evernote? May 23 11:08:58 liqbase May 23 11:09:03 *grin* May 23 11:09:05 amr: iirc, yes May 23 11:09:10 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vt7qB37sLLo May 23 11:09:11 ;) May 23 11:09:11 yeah it is May 23 11:09:14 but liqbase rocks May 23 11:09:21 oh? May 23 11:09:28 and can only get better May 23 11:09:35 yeah amr, look at the vid May 23 11:09:53 what accent does that guy have? May 23 11:10:01 it sounds familiar... May 23 11:10:06 northern May 23 11:10:13 well i knew that :p May 23 11:10:23 im from manchester May 23 11:10:34 im from leeds, yet lack an accent May 23 11:10:45 and now im even further north in durham May 23 11:10:51 you lack a decent football team as well :p May 23 11:11:00 hahaha don't i know it :p May 23 11:11:05 thankfully i support arsenal May 23 11:11:16 we all have our cross to bear May 23 11:13:09 bah, sports... May 23 11:13:25 sport is fun May 23 11:14:09 hmm, i need to find more things to fiddle with May 23 11:14:46 A 3-year-old New Zealand girl, bored in the early hours of the morning, hopped on her parents' computer and, via auto-logins, managed to buy a used mechanical excavation machine for around $15,000. May 23 11:15:01 yelling at a TV and drinking beer doesn't qualify as sport :P May 23 11:15:10 says who!? May 23 11:15:14 http://www.motivatedphotos.com/?id=9788 May 23 11:15:22 well, I guess the yelling makes it active May 23 11:16:01 the way tracy yells you would think the ref could hear her lol May 23 11:16:20 * lcuk knows the way the game is going from halfway down the road May 23 11:17:11 lol May 23 11:20:10 lcuk, http://www.dyestat.com/3us/6out/NikeOutdoorNats/album-vic-jumps-g/images/154GM8W1004.jpg May 23 11:20:38 now that's nice May 23 11:25:19 ahhh seb, http://www.motivatedphotos.com/?id=9811 May 23 11:25:51 but i think golf is just as relaxing to watch May 23 11:25:51 http://www.motivatedphotos.com/?id=9670 May 23 11:30:42 http://pix.motivatedphotos.com/2008/6/16/633492197339453398-elephants.jpg May 23 11:30:59 the harpoons, man them May 23 12:13:24 next device more ram.. reliable gps. builtin video/ip telephony May 23 12:19:52 not holding much hope for dpad May 23 12:20:01 hehe May 23 12:20:18 is there some news? url? May 23 12:20:25 maybe no builtin flash but 2x micro-sd? May 23 12:20:40 nah, forget it May 23 12:20:42 just exercising wishcreft May 23 12:21:12 yeah users might remove sd and wonder why it 'broke' May 23 12:21:53 there is no reason to spend money on 2nd socket when you bundle sd card anyway May 23 12:22:06 just solder it in and save on bom May 23 12:22:34 32GB Raid0 would be nice May 23 12:22:37 lol May 23 12:22:50 hola May 23 12:22:58 32gb is possible no raid though May 23 12:24:53 ram sucks more power than i thought May 23 12:25:03 not just a price question May 23 12:51:21 lbt, ping? May 23 12:57:41 lbt, too late. Off to work. May 23 13:25:25 can /tmp be symlinked to vfat mount? May 23 13:25:45 browser wants to use /tmp for downloads May 23 13:28:07 pupnik__: no May 23 13:28:27 k May 23 13:29:14 pupnik__: even if you could, vfat would screw up /tmp May 23 13:30:15 internal does fill fast May 23 13:36:49 pupnik__: stick an 8 GB SD in and install Gentoo :D May 23 13:50:23 go for Slackware instead, it is more eleet than Gentoo! May 23 13:53:43 mini sd not so common May 23 13:54:40 pupnik__: MicroSD + adapter May 23 13:54:50 RST38h: is there even a Slackware port? May 23 13:54:58 pupnik, MiniSD is dead. May 23 13:55:30 GAN800: Tell Nokia that May 23 13:56:10 luke-jr, they're not using it on any current devices. May 23 13:56:15 GAN800: yes they are May 23 13:56:23 AFAIK, Nokia's only "current" NIT is N810 May 23 13:56:32 and N810 only supports MiniSD May 23 13:56:48 The N810 is not current. May 23 13:56:53 no? what's newer? May 23 13:57:09 Besides, it was designed in 2007 when MiniSD was still alive. May 23 13:57:24 I've never seen MiniSD elsewhere May 23 13:57:37 Nothing, but the N810 is discontinued May 23 13:57:38 * RST38h follows the usual routine to ask the Tentacled One to make Nokia switch to normal SD cards May 23 13:58:01 GAN800: last I checked, they still produce it May 23 13:58:06 and they have nothing newer May 23 13:58:09 No mini. No micro. Just normally sized SD. The IS enough space inside, no need to bullshit users. May 23 13:58:10 that means "current" in my book May 23 13:58:13 luke-jr, and don't give me your line of BS. May 23 13:58:30 It's EoL May 23 14:00:07 pupnik__, and, yes, RAM is power hungry. May 23 14:05:18 GAN800: back now May 23 14:06:51 RST38h, micro-SD is probably the way to go though May 23 14:11:28 4 microsd slots ;p May 23 14:14:22 crashanddie: microsd is uncomfortable as hell to deal with May 23 14:14:31 too small, too fiddly May 23 14:14:48 don't bite your fingernails then May 23 14:15:07 also more difficult/expensive to crum bigger amounts of flash into it May 23 14:21:37 * lcuk810 replaces his fingernail with a microsd card May 23 14:22:10 lcuk: Won't you lose the rest of your finger by trying to use such attachment? =) May 23 14:22:52 RST38h, give a whole new meaning to "user interface" May 23 14:23:08 s/e/es/ May 23 14:23:08 crashanddie meant: RST38h, gives a whole new meaning to "user interface" May 23 14:23:38 My Nokia E70 also uses MiniSD :-) May 23 14:23:54 doesn't mean it's any good though :P May 23 14:23:59 Not that it matters much... I actually use microsd in both N800 and N810 :-) May 23 14:24:05 just a wtf-moment on Nokia's behalf May 23 14:24:16 Shadow: Yea, except that it can't do SDHCs so the adapter question does not really arise May 23 14:24:35 lbt, I gave you editbugs, but it can only be global. May 23 14:24:49 GAN800: OK.. ta. May 23 14:24:54 So, be careful, etc. May 23 14:24:57 The wtf-moment was really back when they did fullsize MMC slots /behind/ the battery, so that you had to replace the battery in order to swap the card May 23 14:24:57 * lcuk810 has always lik;ed the idea of a users' interface May 23 14:25:04 replace=remove May 23 14:25:20 Shadow: Frankly, I do not care much May 23 14:25:45 Shadow: My interaction with the SD card slots is limited to sticking the biggest-available-at-the-moment card there and forgetting about it May 23 14:26:16 indeed :) May 23 14:26:35 Shadow: That does not apply to development crap, but development boards use full sized SDs and have 'em exposed specifically for necrophilia May 23 14:37:44 is 5.2008.43-7 pretty current? May 23 14:38:26 Latest. May 23 14:38:37 cool May 23 14:41:47 is m4a usually better quality than mp3? and if so how to make m4a with linux that way that nokia phone plays it? Sound juicer's made m4a doesn't play in phone May 23 14:54:53 Hello May 23 14:55:48 hello afb May 23 14:58:07 * RST38h fixed the tilt sensor! May 23 14:58:24 (why did I hardwire it to FIREL/FIRER buttons anyway?) May 23 15:14:38 ? May 23 15:14:45 ? May 23 15:31:09 hellohello May 23 15:33:02 i saw a post on talk.maemo.org about full linux distros being installed. debian, ubuntu and now fedora May 23 15:33:04 how usable are they? May 23 15:33:15 Meh May 23 15:33:15 things sure have changed in the year+ ive been gone May 23 15:33:34 Non are battery or mobile friendly. May 23 15:33:45 lol May 23 15:33:49 i can imagine May 23 15:36:01 my device can ping my host, but my host cannot ping my device. Does maemo drop ping packets when it's in the factory configuration? May 23 15:36:51 i recall my 770 doing the same thing May 23 15:37:19 unixSnob, i have never had to fiddle with anything to allow pings back May 23 15:37:23 check your network May 23 15:38:18 the host and device are both connecting wirelessly to a private fonera network, so there's nothing to configure on the router May 23 15:38:42 are you using hostname or ip May 23 15:38:54 ip May 23 15:39:05 you sure its right May 23 15:39:27 * lcuk has static ips so i know whats what May 23 15:39:32 i ran ifconfig to get the ip number May 23 15:39:36 ~wifi-psm May 23 15:39:37 from memory, wifi-psm is http://wiki.maemo.org/Wifi_Power_Saving_Mode_(PSM) May 23 15:40:09 ah.. that sounds familiar May 23 15:40:33 I recall hearing about power saving mode over doing things May 23 15:41:35 * unixSnob is disabling power saving mode for the fonera uplink May 23 15:42:02 in fact, this is all coming back to me now.. fonera routers specifically have a problem w/ maemo and power saving mode May 23 15:42:11 iirc May 23 15:42:15 lcuk, i just realised it was you behind liqbase May 23 15:42:15 :p May 23 15:42:22 heh May 23 15:42:25 i apparently don't read websites May 23 15:42:28 just look for the cute videos May 23 15:42:41 it was all him! May 23 15:42:54 get him! don't let him run away! May 23 15:43:21 is jaiku popular amongst you guys? May 23 15:43:23