**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun May 24 02:59:57 2009 May 24 03:38:47 ~seen b-man May 24 03:38:59 ??? May 24 03:39:06 :P May 24 03:39:18 b-man was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 2d 4h 27m 21s ago, saying: 'wtf'. May 24 03:40:21 oh ok May 24 04:06:20 morning all May 24 04:06:47 morning lardman May 24 04:07:02 hi johnx__ May 24 04:09:13 * lardman wonders if he should just go back to bed, ~5am is too early May 24 04:10:29 hm May 24 04:10:31 anybody here ever mod a wii? May 24 04:10:50 * lardman has never owned a console, so no, sorry May 24 04:11:04 Macer: I did the twilight hack May 24 04:11:09 no hardware mods though May 24 04:11:36 twilight hack? May 24 04:12:22 Macer: it takes advantage of a buffer overflow in twilight princess May 24 04:13:30 ah May 24 04:13:35 isn't compatible with newer wii menus tho May 24 04:13:47 i guess not May 24 04:13:49 screw that. i will buy this solderless mod chip they have that is supposed to work extremely well May 24 04:13:54 should have gotten into it sooner ;) May 24 04:14:03 heh May 24 04:14:04 maybe May 24 04:14:15 you could just wait until they find a hack for a new game May 24 04:15:00 well. the mod chip doesn't require a hack May 24 04:15:12 although it does require opening it up.. but mine is way out of warranty anyways May 24 04:15:21 and they're only $250 so blah ;) May 24 04:15:30 it's not like before when you couldn't find wiis May 24 04:15:55 http://www.wii-modchips.com/drivekey.htm May 24 04:16:01 don't even have to solder :) May 24 04:17:13 i suppose so May 24 04:17:24 I think software hacks are a lot more elegant though May 24 04:18:09 what does the hack allow? May 24 04:18:53 everything :) May 24 04:18:59 lol May 24 04:19:04 right up to running linux on your wii May 24 04:19:11 ah, ok May 24 04:19:41 but it wouldn't, for example, allow me to clutch the wii remote, wish for a Fremantle device, and it would appear? May 24 04:19:55 * lardman wonders at the definition of everything... ;) May 24 04:21:02 it would allow you to run mer on your wii and flip at it with the wiimote once I get around to cleaning it up ;) May 24 04:21:13 sounds cool May 24 04:21:50 lol May 24 04:22:15 yeah .. i have v4.0u May 24 04:22:18 gah is the version of VIM in extras totally borken? >_> May 24 04:22:20 so i'm screwed with this hack May 24 04:22:22 although there is another one May 24 04:22:45 banner bomb? May 24 04:23:08 never heard of it May 24 04:23:16 haven't touched my wii in a couple weeks May 24 04:23:22 * johnx face palms May 24 04:23:29 oh. 4.0 lets you use an sdhc May 24 04:23:30 :) May 24 04:23:32 which is awesome May 24 04:23:49 linux on wii had sdhc support for a while ;) May 24 04:24:04 lol May 24 04:24:08 how is it on the wii? May 24 04:24:21 * Macer wants to hax0r his wii now haha May 24 04:24:27 i have had it for this long and really haven't done much with it May 24 04:25:04 i'm going to hax0r it soon :) i'm downloading the bannerbomb exploit May 24 04:25:08 hopefully i don't brick it lol May 24 04:25:24 nah, the hacks on the wii are usually pretty safe May 24 04:25:42 nintendo isn't out to brick people's consoles (unlike sony and the psp, or apple and the iphone) May 24 04:25:46 I'm heading back to bed, 5am was too early :) See you chaps later May 24 04:26:18 probably because they realize the larger market won't go through the trouble May 24 04:26:19 :) May 24 04:35:57 johnx: ? May 24 04:35:59 Get a DOL or ELF May 24 04:36:01 wtf is that? May 24 04:37:30 ELF is a type of binary May 24 04:37:39 linux uses ELF binaries, so does the wii May 24 04:37:42 well i know that but the instructions... May 24 04:37:47 Bleh May 24 04:37:50 the DOL is a wrapper around ELF from what I can tell May 24 04:37:54 Get a DOL or ELF (why not bootmii?) and put it on the SD as /boot.dol or /boot.elf. May 24 04:37:58 morning GAN800 May 24 04:38:12 where the hell do i find boot.dol or boot.elf? :) May 24 04:38:16 Macer: yeah, and that program will get run May 24 04:38:23 Hi, johnx. May 24 04:38:45 Macer, so find *any* program and name it boot.dol or boot.elf May 24 04:39:02 like, in your case, homebrew channel might be nice :) May 24 04:40:23 lol. that is what i'm using May 24 04:42:27 OK May 24 04:42:30 let's see if this works :) May 24 04:42:47 if it does it will be entirely too easy May 24 04:44:57 when I did it twilight hack and homebrew channel came in a zip file that I unpacked onto an sd card May 24 04:45:04 way way too easy :) May 24 04:45:26 wtf May 24 04:46:15 not so much? May 24 04:46:19 installation failed :) May 24 04:46:20 damn May 24 04:48:38 doesn't work. i think i need a newer homebrew? May 24 04:48:56 homebrew actually tried to install but it won't install May 24 04:56:41 ah. have to use the hackmii instlaler May 24 04:59:59 good deal May 24 05:00:03 it's cool that the hack works May 24 05:02:36 heh.. i don't know exactly what to install first May 24 05:02:44 they don't have much in way of instrtuctions May 24 05:03:24 i guess i will just go in order but this is a nice hack May 24 05:03:31 has a neat little installer and everything :) May 24 05:04:02 yeah, homebrew browser + homebrew channel are a nice setup May 24 05:04:15 what is the difference between installing bootmii as boot2 or ios? May 24 05:04:16 haven't messed with bootmi though May 24 05:04:25 oh May 24 05:04:28 errr....I have no idea :) May 24 05:04:31 haha i don't either May 24 05:05:32 For many people, that will be enough. For the intrepid or foolish, HackMii Installer v0.1 can install BootMii Beta 1 on your Wii, either in front of boot2 or as an IOS. May 24 05:05:44 screw it.. i'll just pick one :) May 24 05:06:47 hm May 24 05:07:38 Hello May 24 05:14:14 wtf. why isn't my wii remote working for this menu for bootmii May 24 05:16:38 and they call me revisionist. . . . May 24 05:22:14 heh May 24 05:22:20 well. i got homebrew to run on this thing May 24 05:22:24 don't know exactly what good it is May 24 05:32:43 Macer, emulators mostly. May 24 05:33:30 Macer, mplayer May 24 05:39:09 , May 24 05:39:15 morn GAN800 May 24 05:45:57 Moo Sts, Macer, GAN May 24 05:47:59 morning StsN800, RST38h May 24 05:48:13 heya johnx May 24 05:48:18 morn johnnx May 24 05:48:21 -n May 24 05:50:07 * RST38h checks the forums and finds out banana peel flying all around there May 24 05:52:10 gah fonera router May 24 06:15:03 hm May 24 06:15:10 i already figured that out ;) May 24 06:15:17 although i rarely use dvds May 24 06:15:17 heh May 24 06:15:24 i just wanted it because you never know :) May 24 06:16:03 now all i need to find his this usb loader thing May 24 06:16:04 :) May 24 06:27:25 morning May 24 06:46:57 Guys, how do you record your n800 running, say, for a video tutorial? May 24 06:47:14 I wanna do one on cloning the OS to the mmc in Portuguese May 24 06:47:31 is there a screen recorder app for the n800? I tried looking but got nothing May 24 06:49:20 I think lots of people either use a digital camera that can record video or use vnc from their desktop/laptop May 24 06:50:03 RST38h: a couple weeks ago we were talking about Tear and slashdot. with the cookie bug fixed in tear it's actually quite enjoyable to look at slashdot. just played with it today May 24 06:50:06 run vncserver from the n800 and connect through my pc. Ok, that might work. Won't the video be a bit sluggish? May 24 06:50:34 it might, but you can speed it up later if you want ;) May 24 06:50:49 will try that. thanks johnx ;) May 24 06:51:14 johnx: I have got a version of Tear that is a few weeks old (0.3.1?) May 24 06:51:32 make sure you pickup the fixed webkit then May 24 06:51:39 johnx: Slashdot still unusable with it May 24 06:51:41 it's at the top of the 0.3.1 thread May 24 06:51:54 yea, I have got both then. May need to update once more. May 24 06:53:09 it's working ok here, even comments May 24 06:53:37 takes about 15 seconds to load the main page and maybe 20 to load comments May 24 06:53:48 does tear have config file somewhere? May 24 06:54:10 thux: it uses an sqlite database for config storage, afaik May 24 06:54:53 Sho_: ok, so it cannot be easily edited? May 24 06:55:05 it has an about:config type thing I think May 24 06:55:19 thux: not from outside the app anyway, no May 24 06:55:27 RST38h: I get the feeling that the fancy js crufy isn't enabled in the comments for me May 24 06:55:29 thanx May 24 06:55:34 thus making the whole site much more usable May 24 08:02:17 fuck yeah May 24 08:02:20 finished hax0ring my wii :) May 24 08:02:28 need to download some games May 24 08:02:56 now you can put mer on it;p May 24 08:03:05 lol May 24 08:03:08 i will if you make a wii build :) May 24 08:03:20 they actually have a linux distro for it (go figure) May 24 08:03:26 god knows there is a distro for everything nowadays May 24 08:03:31 i'm going to install linux on my penis May 24 08:03:58 plinux May 24 08:04:00 runs 2.24 May 24 08:04:04 we actually have mer for wii-johnx ported it May 24 08:04:11 wow really? May 24 08:04:15 its a powerpc so May 24 08:04:24 thought they had arm wiis May 24 08:05:10 maybe one of their sound chips is an ARM, but the main CPU is a PPC May 24 08:05:23 it's almost the same as the Gamecube PPC, except faster May 24 08:05:24 really? May 24 08:05:26 what kind? May 24 08:05:35 damn. honestly didn't know that May 24 08:05:40 it's pretty close to a Mac G3 May 24 08:05:41 what is it like a G4? May 24 08:05:45 a g3?! May 24 08:05:45 :) May 24 08:05:47 welcome to 1990 May 24 08:05:58 i guess that explains why it's not hd? May 24 08:06:01 you're off by 10 years :P May 24 08:06:04 probably uses some archaic ati too? :) May 24 08:06:16 like a radeon x700 May 24 08:06:46 wii doesn't really need fancy gfx though May 24 08:07:12 and really, a G3 at ~700MHz feels insanely fast after compiling on an n800 :) May 24 08:07:23 haha May 24 08:07:47 like, kernel compile inside a half hour fast :) May 24 08:12:58 heh May 24 08:13:03 my g3 was like... May 24 08:13:07 350MHz or some crap May 24 08:13:09 maybe 400 May 24 08:13:36 well, they kept the architecture and bumped the speed May 24 08:13:50 just like the atom is an overclocked original pentium ;P May 24 08:15:22 lol May 24 08:15:29 man i'm still stuck on the girl from ncis May 24 08:15:41 if i get a girlfriend i want her to be a hot colored eyed doctor like her with the sweet voice :) May 24 08:15:42 that sounds awkard May 24 08:15:49 i'm about to bust out the stalker kit May 24 08:16:01 s/awkard/very awkard/ May 24 08:16:01 johnx meant: that sounds very awkard May 24 08:16:44 test May 24 08:16:54 s/test/muhh blah/ May 24 08:16:54 radic meant: muhh blah May 24 08:17:07 lol May 24 08:18:04 i hope this wii hackery works May 24 08:18:08 that would be amazing May 24 08:18:13 no mod chip and it just kind of works? May 24 08:18:19 i won't believe it until i see it May 24 08:20:27 didn't you already run the hack and you're just installing stuff now? May 24 08:20:57 well. i got the backup channel installed May 24 08:21:02 i'm downloading something to burn and test out May 24 08:21:10 might give me a reason to get more dvds ;) May 24 08:21:32 it has about 20 mins to go for the download May 24 08:21:56 Macer: blah. onto warezing before you even check out what's available for free? :/ May 24 08:22:04 lol May 24 08:22:09 well.. i did that too May 24 08:22:16 it has abrowser with like... mplayer and stuff May 24 08:22:38 open stuff.. nothing specail May 24 08:22:40 has quake1 :) May 24 08:22:48 works pretty good with teh pistol thing i got May 24 08:23:09 has a full debian-based distro too May 24 08:23:16 for wii? May 24 08:23:24 how does one use a keyboard for that? May 24 08:23:27 a bt keyboard? May 24 08:23:43 or is there an actual wii keyboard? :) May 24 08:23:57 i just can't see a wii running things good May 24 08:24:07 and yet you didn't try it ... May 24 08:24:17 also, uhm, usb ports are in the back May 24 08:24:35 and yeah, bt or onscreen is an option as well May 24 08:24:58 was thinking tear would work pretty well with kinetic scrolling and a wiimote May 24 08:28:30 hehe, that'd be a fancy demo May 24 08:29:30 even I'm not optimistic enough to claim I can pull that off *soon* May 24 08:29:41 I'll haul the wii along with me anyways though May 24 08:31:29 hehe, and hope it doesn't get mistaken for something in the security checks :P May 24 08:31:40 imagine the trouble beagleboard people have. : May 24 08:31:41 :) May 24 08:32:12 ugh May 24 08:32:20 i want this stupid download to finish already May 24 08:32:26 i need the 20GB/s internet connection May 24 08:32:31 lol May 24 08:33:55 heh, I can just picture how well a beagleboard+homemade battery pack would go over with US "homeland security" May 24 08:35:11 why? May 24 08:35:22 wtf is it used for anyways? May 24 08:35:39 beagleboard? beagleboard.org May 24 08:35:50 yeah. i'm looking at it now May 24 08:35:59 it's a omap3 basically May 24 08:37:04 no arm windows? May 24 08:37:07 :) May 24 08:37:28 pft :P May 24 08:37:32 it has windows ce. :P May 24 08:37:52 haha May 24 08:42:08 800MB to go! May 24 08:42:10 cmon punch out May 24 08:42:15 i hope i don't have stupid problems May 24 08:42:22 like ntsc / pal compatibility May 24 08:42:26 i'm going to be pissed if i do May 24 09:03:27 Do I need to custom build and reinstall my gtk with the MAEMO_CHANGES defined to manually compile osso stuff (which currently breaks due to TAP and HOLD stuff being undefined)? May 24 09:03:52 yes - you need to use maemo gtk for that May 24 09:04:51 hm May 24 09:05:26 isn't it strange that almost all advancements in the electronic industry are made in order to make things go faster May 24 09:05:53 yeah, but people have realized the ghz border have been hit May 24 09:05:53 or consume less power. May 24 09:05:59 or yeah, consume less power May 24 09:06:32 well.. not only cpu power May 24 09:06:41 hard drives.. burners... May 24 09:06:52 cos time is money May 24 09:06:54 sometimes i think they already have things that can go the true maximum speed but hold them back May 24 09:07:26 hm. wonder if the wii can use a usb hard drives for video May 24 09:07:36 blah. that is a waste of time May 24 09:07:40 i have a popcornhour :) May 24 09:07:45 what i need is a wii app that can use samba May 24 09:13:24 Macer: it's an app called linux May 24 09:16:18 Macer: hard drives generally only become bigger May 24 09:16:38 their change in speed is less steep than what you see with cpus and memory May 24 09:17:08 Macer: ah, you have such a popcorn? how do you like it? May 24 09:17:19 Sts|office: the source repo for maemo-gtk isnt quite visible on any search engine. It seems to be stage.maemo.org svn but that needs a login - and my maemo.org doesnt seem to work.. May 24 09:17:23 * aquatix wants to build something similar May 24 09:17:29 rkirti_: naah. sec :) May 24 09:18:04 try https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/trunk/gtk+/ ? May 24 09:18:11 damnit May 24 09:18:22 aquatix: it's great May 24 09:18:37 aquatix: hey .. i have a fully functional mboard if you want it May 24 09:18:39 for an a110 May 24 09:18:57 you'll need an adapter and a remote control and case for it tho May 24 09:19:24 when my a100 broke they sent me an a110 mboard by accident then sent me the a100s replacement and didn't care about the 110 May 24 09:19:43 Stskeeps: ok. I ignored this page earlier since there seems to be an evidence of maemo-gtk-2.10 on the web .. May 24 09:20:01 repository.maemo.org/pool/diablo/ otherwise May 24 09:20:28 Macer: hm, i was thinking about a pentium-m 1.6GHz mobo i could buy from a guy i know May 24 09:20:44 not sure whether a popcorn is fast enough May 24 09:22:18 oh May 24 09:22:19 my bad May 24 09:22:22 i doubt it May 24 09:22:23 :) May 24 09:22:40 your bad? May 24 09:22:45 i was just wondering in general :) May 24 09:22:55 but can a popcorn play 720p? May 24 09:25:10 1080p ;) May 24 09:25:22 does a fair job of it May 24 09:26:22 hm :) May 24 09:27:19 so far it hasn't had many problems playing whatever i throw at it May 24 09:27:27 and the firmware updates are constant and good May 24 09:28:48 i have a nice tv card which i barely used yet and want to put into the machine; then i'll have a dvcr, mediabox and such May 24 09:29:01 i have a regular CRT tv anyway May 24 09:29:08 does lsusb -vvvv tell correct port voltage or just what it supposed to be? May 24 09:29:44 hi all, can sumbudy help me how to install pymaemo, I would like to develop application for maemo platform using python May 24 09:31:03 aquatix: best thing i ever used was in windows May 24 09:31:04 ;) May 24 09:31:08 mediaportal May 24 09:31:14 some open source project things May 24 09:31:15 it's good May 24 09:31:22 thinking about xbmc or something May 24 09:31:26 but it takes too much power to play high def May 24 09:31:29 graph theory is a meanie. May 24 09:31:33 you need something strong May 24 09:31:53 720p might play on mid grade hardware but you need at least 2.6GHz dual core for high def May 24 09:32:10 because the player is going to use 100% of one of the cores decoding it no matter what you use May 24 09:32:24 yeah May 24 09:32:36 at least for pc hardware unless you find a good h264 hw decoder that works with teh player May 24 09:35:54 wow May 24 09:35:56 this shit works May 24 09:35:59 i can play wii games :) May 24 09:36:14 i am playing a burned punch out now May 24 09:36:18 no mod needed May 24 09:36:20 that is awesome May 24 09:41:27 wow May 24 09:41:36 time to download every wii game out there now :) May 24 09:53:00 so my wife has a theory than man-flu evolved into swine-flu.... and it wasn't much of a jump... May 24 09:56:45 hm. ftpd for wii May 24 09:56:46 :) May 24 10:01:23 Although this new "swine flu" didn't come from swine at all. May 24 10:03:47 haha May 24 10:03:52 tell that to the idiots slaughtering pigs :) May 24 10:04:04 like it's mad cow May 24 10:04:37 i'm going to run out of space downloading all this crap May 24 10:05:07 * RST38h moos May 24 10:05:33 * RST38h especially liked the hypothesis that H1N1 came from the same lab that developed Tamiflu, by accident May 24 10:05:34 6.3T 1.5T 4.8T May 24 10:05:46 maybe not soon.. i suppose i can rm them after i burn them May 24 10:05:56 a "accident" that makes lots of profit? May 24 10:06:10 wasn't that the plot of mission impossible 2? May 24 10:06:36 suihkulokki: i would believe it if the magic vaccine came out right after May 24 10:06:56 "ChemPham Inc says it has the new swine flu vaccine readily available.." May 24 10:07:12 drug companies is where it's at :) May 24 10:07:29 Sts: Apparently, it was not, let me dig some articles May 24 10:08:04 http://www.dancewithshadows.com/pillscribe/h1n1-swine-flu-virus-is-a-man-made-product-claims-scientist/ May 24 10:08:16 i wonder if the steering wheel thing is necessary to play mario kart May 24 10:08:18 RST38h: very authorative url.. May 24 10:08:19 :P May 24 10:08:30 haha May 24 10:08:40 i'd give it to him if it was dancewithshadows.gov May 24 10:08:41 :) May 24 10:09:01 some dude came on another # telling us how people were taking over computers with rootkit May 24 10:09:06 it was a riot May 24 10:09:20 Sts: It's ok, just google the names you find there May 24 10:09:34 * RST38h really just pasted the first url that came up on google May 24 10:10:06 Of course the guy may just be trying to get some publicity May 24 10:10:20 RST38h: you think? :) May 24 10:10:35 are there ads on the site? May 24 10:10:51 Macer: I have no opinion on the subject, need more data. May 24 10:11:02 probably not. it would be totally unethical to take advantage of peoples' fear in order to make a quick buck May 24 10:11:09 I mean what is the precendent of that? May 24 10:11:14 haha May 24 10:11:16 Macer: Gibbs has promised to publish an article on his research into H1N1 origins, so let us just wait for that May 24 10:11:32 that would probably be on a .edu or .gov ;) May 24 10:12:04 Semiofficial WHO answer: http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/cidrap/content/influenza/swineflu/news/may1409who.html May 24 10:12:27 In no other game, for example, can you grab hold of a leather-clad enemy and impale him anus first on a rusty spike May 24 10:12:30 hahahha May 24 10:13:14 damn there are like a million rock band games May 24 10:13:20 i never understood its appeal May 24 10:14:02 It is some teenage thing May 24 10:14:41 i suppose May 24 10:14:50 did you see the south park where they try to reach 1million? May 24 10:15:00 and one of them gets strung out on a game called chasing the dragon? :) May 24 10:15:03 it was great May 24 10:15:08 Weird part is , these games have been available years ago and there weren't any following May 24 10:15:35 nice to see they have bloody games on wii May 24 10:15:53 * RST38h does not watch Southpark since finding Mr Hanky on TV during diner May 24 10:16:14 s/diner/dinner May 24 10:16:44 age restricted video.. and all you have to do is enter your birthday May 24 10:17:46 madworld looks awesome May 24 10:20:06 http://wii.ign.com/dor/objects/14253678/madworld/videos/madworld_vdr_030909.html May 24 10:22:22 Hmm... scratchbox won't run on amd64? :P May 24 10:26:52 no May 24 10:27:05 not without some coaxing anyway May 24 10:27:06 Great. May 24 10:27:29 Hmm... maybe i will install 32bit linux on virtualbox or something. May 24 10:28:24 And sdk wont work with scratchbox2? May 24 10:32:18 * thux had to install vista on two laptops :P suffering sunday May 24 10:33:29 * johnx jailbroke 10 ipod touches last week as part of his job May 24 10:33:39 i can think of better things to do than install vista May 24 10:33:48 ooh look, i can pull my finger nail out! May 24 10:33:58 :D May 24 10:34:18 heh johnx May 24 10:36:34 i will give them away and that's why install orginal software May 24 10:37:03 I just rebooted my computer to vista :( May 24 10:37:09 bad laptops only good for typewriters May 24 10:37:34 Isn't ubuntu better in typewriting than vista? May 24 10:38:11 At least i get suicidal thoughts every time i have to do something else besides playing games in vista. May 24 10:38:47 You can always imagine it is just an extremely anal retentive version of MacOS X May 24 10:39:03 Haha. Nah, osx is _almost_ usable. May 24 10:39:15 (i'm using it to irc right now) May 24 10:39:53 I have to use some adobe software so i have macbook with osx as my secondary desktop computer:) May 24 10:42:18 Razumihin: yes probably ubuntu is better but they rather have them with vistas May 24 10:45:02 well :) May 24 10:45:11 wii does have some nice looking games May 24 10:45:17 * Macer works on the linux install now May 24 10:45:52 johnx, how can i get one of these May 24 10:45:59 http://www.akihabaranews.com/en/news-17350-Get+a+2nd+BRAIN+from+Sharp!.html May 24 10:46:10 but why? May 24 10:46:24 maybe dynamism will get you one May 24 10:47:00 there are a couple other import sites, but I can't think of them right now and I'm off to bed in a sec actually May 24 10:47:04 it being 4AM and all :) May 24 10:47:19 if you poke at me again tomorrow I might be able to dredge up the sites from my memory May 24 10:48:06 heh cool - still dont realize time diffs May 24 10:48:22 RST38h, just because the more i look at em the more i ponder what if May 24 10:51:39 i was always a big fan of the wikipedia contact lenses May 24 10:52:03 wonder if darpa is working on it May 24 11:01:47 lcuk: Closed, locked, try your luck with SmartQ May 24 11:02:06 its the keyboard i like on that one actually May 24 11:02:22 Macer: Personally, I would prefer a truly intelligent flame bot to that May 24 11:02:37 Macer: Imagine releasing a bunch of these on itt! May 24 11:07:35 heh May 24 11:07:43 my wii has found new life May 24 11:07:57 it's actually worth using again. i should have done this a long time ago May 24 11:08:14 i just figured modding it meant ripping it open and soldering shit all over the place May 24 11:08:37 i remember when to mod a ps2 you had to solder in like the pins and there were like 30 of them :) May 24 11:09:42 Macer, what did you need to do to your wii May 24 11:09:48 and was it easy breaking into it May 24 11:09:55 * lcuk hated ripping down the wii May 24 11:10:03 lcuk: it was pretty easy May 24 11:10:12 needed to download a few things onto an sd and run a few apps May 24 11:10:24 cool May 24 11:10:24 now i can burn games and play them in a backup channel :) May 24 11:10:32 it was all software May 24 11:10:33 it's great May 24 11:10:41 what if those games include updates May 24 11:10:46 don't know May 24 11:10:53 cos ive seen a few do that now May 24 11:10:56 i'm still running the latest firmeware May 24 11:10:58 firmware May 24 11:11:03 4.0u or something May 24 11:11:12 did you have yours updating over the wifi and stuff May 24 11:11:25 yeah. i did that before i realized it probably wouldn't be a good thing :) May 24 11:11:42 but it seems to have maintained the same firmware ... there are a lot of extra steps but it still works just fine May 24 11:11:45 cos we never configured ours and without major nintendo foo they wont ever touch the public internet even if it finds my wifi lol May 24 11:11:52 especially using the 4.0 mod pack May 24 11:12:09 like... minus the learning curve.. it took like 5 mins :) May 24 11:12:12 i have always liked the wii May 24 11:12:18 with it... it took like 30 May 24 11:12:18 haha May 24 11:12:24 i think aspects of liqbase would work on it :$ May 24 11:12:32 heh May 24 11:12:43 well.. sooner or later i am going to try to install linux on it May 24 11:12:52 but i haven't tried an sdhc and honestly don't see the need May 24 11:12:53 yeah johnx was toying with mer May 24 11:13:07 i think all i would have to do is copy the sd over to a new one and try it May 24 11:13:22 sounds good May 24 11:13:23 4.0 is supposed to support it May 24 11:13:41 i dunno though.. and i don't want to break it :) it's awesome for running l33t w4r3z games May 24 11:13:52 i'm burning house of the dead now May 24 11:13:55 :) May 24 11:14:13 and i think the backup channel lets you copy them to a usb drive if you borrow them but not really sure May 24 11:14:14 the kids have a nice collection of wii games now May 24 11:14:26 lol. you wouldn't have had to buy them ;) May 24 11:14:34 i'm downloading kids games for my 3 yr old son May 24 11:14:36 dont mind paying tho tbh May 24 11:14:43 i don't either but still May 24 11:14:52 less time at a store :) no lines May 24 11:14:58 no online ordering and ups May 24 11:15:07 the amount of playtime we get is well worth the small money invested :) May 24 11:15:47 would do the sd stuff only for homebrew and testing May 24 11:15:59 homebrew is easy May 24 11:16:03 the backup channel was the pain May 24 11:16:19 although homebrew isn't all that May 24 11:16:38 i mean it has a few things that are interesting but for the most part i don't see the appeal.. it's like... using a low res pc with shitty apps :) May 24 11:16:44 now if it could run osx.. that would be something May 24 11:16:51 but the screen cant May 24 11:17:02 i think it does like... May 24 11:17:03 its like running a maemo tablet from far away May 24 11:17:06 some aweful res May 24 11:17:07 haha May 24 11:17:09 yeah May 24 11:17:18 i forgot what it maxes out at i think 420p May 24 11:17:26 or some crap like that.. it's just not worth it May 24 11:17:28 dunno i havent got a hd tv May 24 11:17:45 well.. i do and the games look good.. but the rest looks like crap May 24 11:18:08 so i might just leave it alone and just use it for game playing :) since that's what it is supposed to be used for May 24 11:18:17 i don't really see a need to use it as anything else unless i'm desperate May 24 11:18:31 it would be nice to have samba or something on it May 24 11:19:01 they have a usb iso mounter but i haven't tried yet May 24 11:19:11 so you can hook up an external hd with a bunch of isos on it instead of burning the games May 24 11:19:28 wii mer would be good if i had a kb for the thing May 24 11:19:59 i want to play madworld :) May 24 11:20:13 and house of the dead.. i think i am going to try them out now.. ttyl May 24 11:20:54 heh cool cya later Macer May 24 11:35:15 lol. house of the dead is comical! May 24 13:02:01 hiya danielwilms \o May 24 13:02:15 hey lcuk :) May 24 13:02:44 hows the weather over there on this sunday May 24 13:02:55 and more importantly, why arent you out enjoying it lol May 24 13:03:01 lol May 24 13:03:47 weather was quite ok this morning...now its cloudy...and well...some fixes with the SSO before my vacations next week ;) May 24 13:03:59 ahhh vacation time May 24 13:04:14 you seen the new vid of liqbase ? May 24 13:04:32 nooo...just came in May 24 13:04:46 shows it as intended without messing with copying and folders and stuff May 24 13:04:48 just a mo May 24 13:04:57 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vt7qB37sLLo May 24 13:06:25 wow...looks great May 24 13:06:46 you have only seen a bit so far :P May 24 13:06:57 already impressed May 24 13:06:58 and the vid only includes a fractioon of the pieces as well ;) May 24 13:07:11 :) May 24 13:07:20 but it gives the mood and feeling i hope to achieve :) May 24 13:07:57 hehe May 24 13:08:23 how do u realize the search?? May 24 13:08:29 tracker?? May 24 13:08:38 no May 24 13:08:52 emerges out of simple pieces lol May 24 13:09:01 :)) May 24 13:09:01 i explain how its done May 24 13:09:14 i even show you! May 24 13:10:09 it wont scale forever and does need caching and does require thumbnailing etc May 24 13:10:27 so tracker will be good, but the basis is there May 24 13:10:47 ok...sounds interesting May 24 13:10:56 a nice video! May 24 13:11:11 yeah, much better than fish and abstract nonesense May 24 13:11:20 i actually show how i like to use it and stuff May 24 13:11:39 yep...good overview about those things! May 24 13:11:44 right at the start of liqbase i allowed every sketch to have a written tagline May 24 13:11:57 and sometime mid process i removed it for some reason May 24 13:12:09 but now all my old tagged sketches are included in the search May 24 13:12:40 ill be putting the text ui back for sketches and photos May 24 13:12:47 and allowing tagging etc there :) May 24 13:12:55 yay...a useful thing May 24 13:13:16 yeah - the search feels like my brain itself May 24 13:13:39 as i am typing or scrolling i see flashes of things from other topics and remember lots May 24 13:13:45 its so nice to have :) May 24 13:13:51 :) May 24 13:14:26 damn...no coffee here on sundays :) May 24 13:14:43 heh take a flask May 24 13:18:29 lcuk: looked really nice, but what is liqbase? May 24 13:19:32 liqbase is the core groundwork for creating code i can touch and interact with May 24 13:20:26 ok May 24 13:25:31 vanishing, cya later danielwilms \o May 24 13:25:43 lcuk bye bye May 24 13:59:43 lol May 24 13:59:46 Wii Linux currently does not support the Wii's built-in WiFi, even though the drivers for this device are built into the Linux kernel. May 24 14:07:56 usb wifi :P May 24 14:13:07 hola May 24 14:13:57 bienvenido ;) May 24 14:34:11 Setting up osso-fm-transmitter-l10n-ruru (6.0+r6710+0m5) that something new for me. May 24 14:34:34 yeah, there'll be a fm transmitter api May 24 14:34:53 with RDS ? May 24 14:35:06 not sure, maybe May 24 14:36:29 FM trasmitters seam so old-fashion May 24 14:36:38 very useful in cars May 24 14:36:42 in a few years there will be no FM in cars any more May 24 14:36:44 or for hacking society :P May 24 14:37:19 "Single white male seeking female, I have nice car and am a great hacker as you can see" May 24 14:37:39 the docu is not ready yet for the fm tx api...coming soon May 24 14:40:25 When I bought an n800 about 2 years ago it had a sticker on the screen which I never took off. Is that the screen protecter? May 24 14:53:05 keesj, chipset supports RDS on both sides so it'll be a driver issue. May 24 14:53:32 kkrusty, the sticker is attached to thee factory shipping protector. May 24 14:58:55 GAN800: right. thanks May 24 16:38:40 anything interesting been happening in the tablet "scene" in the past two weeks? i been away. May 24 16:46:55 zakkm, i have given another update :) May 24 16:47:43 hiya konttori \o May 24 16:47:51 liqbase update? May 24 16:48:10 zakkm theres a video of progress May 24 16:48:14 :O May 24 16:48:17 do link please May 24 16:48:23 the source is out there but not as a published package or anything yet May 24 16:48:34 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vt7qB37sLLo May 24 16:49:25 oh wow May 24 16:49:30 watch it all first May 24 16:49:35 and comment on the youtube thing :P May 24 16:50:41 you see the new moblin 2.0? May 24 16:50:58 lcuk: nice May 24 16:51:10 lcuk: you see the new moblin 2.0 UI? May 24 16:51:27 zakkm: yeah, but my eee701 doesn't have a atom proc so I can run it :( May 24 16:51:42 that should be nokia's UI :P May 24 16:51:46 :P May 24 16:51:56 well mer May 24 16:52:23 it actually needs an atom chip? May 24 16:52:24 why? May 24 16:52:41 zakkm: it uses SSE3 May 24 16:52:48 for what? May 24 16:52:52 it could be rebuilt, but the binaries they provide use it May 24 16:53:06 ahh May 24 16:53:21 zakkm, yeah, because it's so great for finger usage and not-Clutter. . . . May 24 16:53:23 the celeron 900 doesnt have sse3? May 24 16:53:27 it must..? May 24 16:53:30 lcuk: I just saw the liqbase page and I have to say Awesome! May 24 16:53:40 the 701 is suppose to have hackintosh support, and mac requires sse2 and 3 May 24 16:53:58 xnt14, say that on the youtube page lol :D May 24 16:54:00 zakkm: nope :(, but my uncle has a hp mini May 24 16:54:10 but ty, i agree May 24 16:54:12 lcuk: ok, but... May 24 16:54:26 * xnt14 hasn't signed on to his youtube acc in months May 24 16:54:36 * xnt14 is signing on... May 24 16:54:53 oooh real commitment lol May 24 16:54:53 *just learned you can use your google account on youtube* May 24 16:55:16 lol May 24 16:55:17 konttori, have you seen yet May 24 16:55:23 it does what i spoke about at the summit May 24 16:55:35 lcuk: does that have a text viewer? May 24 16:56:10 zakkm, :) practically the first thing i say in the first ever video is that i want a book reader May 24 16:57:09 yes, fully kinetic floating document reader exists and is being worked on. ive still not made it do what the other older reader did May 24 16:57:13 but its coming along nicely May 24 16:57:34 and im stepping gently there because i want to include good support to add new formats easily May 24 16:57:48 lcuk: done May 24 16:57:50 :) May 24 16:57:53 \o/ May 24 16:57:55 btw May 24 16:58:10 * xnt14 is trying out the xmonad wm May 24 16:58:12 i gone back to reading textbooks hah May 24 16:58:16 :P May 24 16:58:26 like proper paperback May 24 16:58:28 nice, but i can haz c :xD May 24 16:59:13 zakkm: I like to read books on my ipod (well mainly my nit but i don't have it right now) than read paper books :P May 24 16:59:15 zakkm, im reading latest niven book in hardback :) May 24 16:59:51 i hope you rated the vid as well :P May 24 16:59:56 i live in toronto, Canada so its not like i pay for it, public library is awesome but i dont know May 24 17:00:16 Thanks for rating! May 24 17:00:16 xnt14, monad was something i looked at when i was thinking about a compositing wm May 24 17:00:20 lcuk: done May 24 17:00:21 it would work nicely May 24 17:00:30 lcuk: :) May 24 17:00:48 lcuk: you should make a whole WM/DE out of liqbase :P May 24 17:00:52 xnt on a small device like this being able to focus properly and shift around is important May 24 17:01:06 the benefit of it being in the framework over just a WM is that its multilayered May 24 17:01:09 you guys actually use the stylus? May 24 17:01:23 apps can be designed with deep rich levels to explore May 24 17:01:27 * xnt14 is now really pissed off, because he just wasted 2 hours installing debian and now the freaking harddrive crashed and everything segfaults May 24 17:01:36 ive already got about 20 baseline screens which i didnt go over in the vid May 24 17:01:38 zakkm: me not much May 24 17:01:39 for all different things May 24 17:01:45 zakkm, i do May 24 17:01:52 lcuk: :) May 24 17:01:55 when im not typing May 24 17:02:11 watching the video, i notice the stylus , im thinknig wow i didnt think people use it May 24 17:02:17 ah i want a n810 so much May 24 17:02:22 zakkm, i stopped fingerpainting when i was young ;) May 24 17:02:25 ok... now it won't even boot,, May 24 17:02:48 lent my n800 to a friend for like 2 weeks, going to get it back today for a day so i can try some new stuff :P May 24 17:02:54 and my screen is duffed up so much i cant use it lol May 24 17:03:02 * lcuk saves the good n810 for when he really needs it May 24 17:03:06 and now it just sits there and it says press f1 to retry boot, press f2 to setup May 24 17:03:13 lcuk :) May 24 17:03:24 * xnt14 wants his n810 back May 24 17:03:30 what happened to it May 24 17:03:40 well May 24 17:04:17 I was in gym class, and it fell out of my pocket and the teacher confiscated it and they can keep it until the end if the year May 24 17:04:25 :( May 24 17:04:29 fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu May 24 17:04:37 indeed May 24 17:05:28 how long is end of your year then May 24 17:05:39 one more month May 24 17:05:59 cant you offer a bribe lol May 24 17:06:03 lcuk: btw the map thing, how about adding a gmaps dl button? May 24 17:06:11 xnt14 lol May 24 17:06:14 xnt14: still, didnt that happen like ages ago? May 24 17:06:23 there is something called floatmap2 in the library at the moment May 24 17:06:28 zakkm: yeah :( May 24 17:06:29 which was me just playing with google maps May 24 17:06:35 i wouldv left it in properly May 24 17:06:43 but i got banned from google so i stopped lol May 24 17:06:52 got banned from google? wow May 24 17:06:54 i never heard of that May 24 17:07:03 so it exists but its safer for me to just leave it with a single large static map May 24 17:07:10 soooo May 24 17:07:20 zakkm, tilemap downloading May 24 17:07:23 lcuk: is the map just a picture file? May 24 17:07:25 I have to dl all the maptiles of my area and put them on my sd? May 24 17:07:28 i set it to download each tile as required May 24 17:07:34 and i panned across the world May 24 17:07:35 well May 24 17:07:39 and it loads each visible tile May 24 17:07:48 so i had about 100 concurrent connections to google servers May 24 17:07:53 :P May 24 17:08:01 and they stopped giving me maps for a while :$ May 24 17:08:08 :$ indeed May 24 17:08:29 multitouch? YAY :P xD May 24 17:08:35 *sorry sergey&larry) May 24 17:09:08 i want real multitouch :D May 24 17:09:26 zakkm, no you don't May 24 17:09:41 No more liqbase with capacitive. May 24 17:09:43 xnt14, i havent done anything yet about fake multitouch but i know its available, theres a few things i want in place before i decide on how to use it May 24 17:09:49 course there is May 24 17:09:57 just no drawing May 24 17:10:04 or note taking May 24 17:10:06 or designing May 24 17:10:50 GAN800: well nit +multitouch + iphone stylus (you now the one for the iphone which some company came out with) = working liqbase May 24 17:11:07 lcuk: wait is liqbase a maemo app, or a os? May 24 17:11:14 ewww have you tried to write notes with a crayon May 24 17:11:25 oh yeah :P May 24 17:11:32 well May 24 17:12:18 I once took notes with a marker cap on my nit May 24 17:12:20 xnt14, liqbase is just my the basis I need to work in the way I like to work May 24 17:12:38 lcuk: so its a app? May 24 17:12:47 how do you launch it? May 24 17:12:48 its a library May 24 17:12:53 oh May 24 17:12:54 ok May 24 17:12:56 i run a binary May 24 17:13:09 the first iteration of liqbase was a single monolithic app May 24 17:13:18 xnt14, no. May 24 17:13:22 now it is a library with many plugins for the different visual aspects May 24 17:13:33 so the base is a library, and you wrote an app which uses the library to make the nice ui? May 24 17:13:40 yes May 24 17:13:43 xnt14, capacitive simply isn't precise enough. Stylus or no. May 24 17:13:44 GAN800: ok :P May 24 17:14:00 lcuk: :) ok May 24 17:14:00 im so glad i quit programming / computer engineering in school :) May 24 17:14:01 and any individual plugin can be run as a standalone app or can exist within the main playground May 24 17:14:34 so if people are solely interested in the book reader they should be able to install and run just that May 24 17:14:38 so I can run maemo mapper, or xterm and it would show up in the ui? May 24 17:14:47 no May 24 17:14:52 oh ok :P May 24 17:14:55 its not a compositing x11 window manager May 24 17:15:31 lcuk: for now... :P May 24 17:15:44 liqbase + n900 = ? May 24 17:15:48 :P May 24 17:15:57 The Revolution May 24 17:16:19 omap3 + liqbase = compiz for the nit ? :P May 24 17:17:09 lcuk: this is available? May 24 17:17:18 lol compiz, on such a small screen May 24 17:17:21 such a waste May 24 17:17:21 you mean I can run it if I had my n810? May 24 17:17:27 i doubt it personally, im sure theres better window managers - liqbase is yuv based, it would be hard to get the live rgb stuff into it, but it would be good for others to try May 24 17:17:30 zakkm: yeah: May 24 17:17:48 xnt14, the video is me demonstrating it on my 810 May 24 17:18:18 lcuk:yeah I know, but you mean I can dl it and run it? May 24 17:18:26 not easily yet May 24 17:18:29 there is no package May 24 17:18:37 ok but I can compile it? May 24 17:18:40 its very building site ish and has lots of bugs May 24 17:18:48 well May 24 17:18:49 ok May 24 17:18:54 i dont care May 24 17:18:55 i want it to be essentially ready before release May 24 17:18:57 lcuk: cant you just fakeroot build-deb? May 24 17:19:05 then google knows where to find libliqbase :) May 24 17:19:13 does it have compile errors/blocks? May 24 17:19:14 is there a binary I can download? May 24 17:19:19 zakkm, i have no debianisms installed May 24 17:19:24 just the bin? May 24 17:19:25 its grown entirely directly on tablet May 24 17:19:29 it needs heavy work first May 24 17:19:32 sooo May 24 17:19:38 there IS a playtest bin May 24 17:19:39 just a me May 24 17:19:41 o May 24 17:19:52 http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=285896&postcount=260 May 24 17:19:56 wait is it all in one folder? May 24 17:19:58 its not got everything but its enough to see May 24 17:20:13 or is it spread all over the fs? May 24 17:20:22 all in one folder on my memorystick May 24 17:20:31 with a git server obviously lol May 24 17:20:36 how big is it? May 24 17:20:41 lol May 24 17:20:42 but i need to get the debianisms right first May 24 17:20:49 the binary is about 5mb May 24 17:20:56 :P May 24 17:20:58 the git is about 60 i think May 24 17:21:17 follow the instructions from the posting and you can get it on your machine May 24 17:21:35 ok :) May 24 17:22:07 * xnt14 needs to get his nit back from his parents May 24 17:22:17 brb May 24 17:22:24 lcuk: run in performance cpu mode - this version doesn't try to upgrade itself yet. May 24 17:22:32 yeah i know.. May 24 17:22:34 your going to make it self-update? May 24 17:22:53 user choosable same as it was in original liqbase May 24 17:23:09 but with a tick to say "run in blah automatically" May 24 17:23:55 update to performance mode or update to newest version of liqbase? May 24 17:24:52 upgrade the cpu setting May 24 17:25:03 tea ready bbl May 24 17:50:02 YAY, got my nit back May 24 17:50:24 * xnt14 downloads liqbase beta May 24 17:53:22 hello May 24 17:53:36 :) May 24 17:53:43 :) May 24 17:54:09 now to install liqbase May 24 17:54:57 s/install liqbase/install the very shaky pretest dodgy version of liqbase/ May 24 17:54:57 lcuk: nice, microb friendly page May 24 17:55:24 0.1.5? May 24 17:56:49 you can install the older monolithic app if you like, i still use it to this day, but the new framework is what i have been discussing May 24 17:57:10 lcuk: the one on maemotalk or the one on liqbase.net? May 24 17:57:36 which one? May 24 17:57:52 this post >> http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=285896&postcount=260 << explains the very shakey playtest binary installation instructions May 24 17:58:33 oh ok then May 24 17:58:54 there is a full complete original liqbase which is tested and stable but does not do the zooming or other really flashy things :) that is in the app installer May 24 17:59:23 ok :) May 24 18:02:05 moo all May 24 18:02:35 hey RST38h \o May 24 18:03:41 how are things? =) May 24 18:04:23 * xnt14 wgets it May 24 18:05:49 hello RST38h May 24 18:06:07 lcuk: double gziped? :P May 24 18:13:19 OMFG!!!! Awesome!!!! May 24 18:13:44 still a little glitchy but still awesome!!! May 24 18:13:54 which places have glitches May 24 18:14:04 i have seen and corrected most i had from the playtest May 24 18:14:45 theres an awful lot the playtest wont do actually May 24 18:14:49 but its enough to see May 24 18:16:11 lcuk: when I hit the thing above the time, and then I scroll the list, it glitches May 24 18:16:14 brb May 24 18:18:03 ahhhh May 24 18:18:14 xnt14, when you get back, close and reopen vworld May 24 18:18:35 its a known bug seemingly hardware related on certain machines May 24 18:29:10 im back May 24 18:56:52 im back May 24 19:43:50 calvaris: i wonder why you look so familiar? :P May 24 20:13:29 hey, my parents sent me an Ad for a Nokia device they saw in the Washingon Post May 24 20:13:35 hm May 24 20:13:36 s/gon/gton/ May 24 20:13:36 timeless_mbp meant: hey, my parents sent me an Ad for a Nokia device they saw in the Washington Post May 24 20:13:54 but i think it's really an at&t ad May 24 20:14:50 link? May 24 20:25:09 i just have a pdf of the thing May 24 20:26:01 it's not really so interesting May 24 20:26:13 i'm mostly amazed to hear of any advertising for Nokia products in the US May 24 20:35:17 E71x May 24 20:35:18 ? May 24 20:35:49 * keesj is a little confused about libts and tslib on http://repository.maemo.org/unstable/5.0beta/alpha_vs_beta_content_comparison.html May 24 20:36:35 booth are 1.0.4 but are those meta packages containing the same thing? May 24 20:36:52 keesj, one is for writing on the front of the tablet, and one is for writing on the back? May 24 20:37:09 heh May 24 20:37:22 keesj: one is source package the other is binary May 24 20:40:28 but it looks like for example tslib-dev was renamed to libts-dev May 24 20:40:39 yeah, to match with debian naming probably May 24 20:46:37 Stskeeps: http://stskeeps.deviantart.com lol May 24 20:46:49 not me May 24 20:46:54 it's some crazy malay May 24 20:47:04 XD May 24 20:47:18 http://qwerty12.com XD May 24 20:47:25 re: May 24 20:47:52 http://qwerty12.deviantart.com May 24 20:48:01 XD May 24 20:49:06 bored at school are you May 24 20:49:07 :P May 24 20:49:12 xD May 24 20:49:14 wait, it's sunday. sunday school? May 24 20:49:14 :P May 24 20:49:39 Stskeeps: http://twitter.com/xnt May 24 20:49:41 nope, 3 day holiday weekend May 24 20:49:43 not me May 24 20:49:44 XD May 24 20:49:49 b-man: same here May 24 20:49:59 no school monday May 24 20:50:32 wait isn't qwerty12's name faheem? May 24 20:50:39 yes May 24 20:50:54 on the da, look under his name May 24 20:51:03 john xD May 24 20:51:44 XD May 24 20:51:58 silly youngins. get coding instead of wasting your time with your current hormonal inbalances May 24 20:52:02 :P May 24 20:52:52 * xnt14 is theming liqbase xD, not coding May 24 21:04:05 Sts: How is .PL btw? May 24 21:04:37 it was fine, i was just down south in denmark this weekend May 24 21:05:37 Stskeeps: btw, i (might) be representing Mer at LinuxFest this fall btw May 24 21:06:04 b-man16: alright, better do it well May 24 21:06:13 there'll hopefully be plenty material to use May 24 21:06:30 indeed May 24 21:06:40 RST38h: some claim TI developers SDK has the roms btw May 24 21:07:13 ( http://education.ti.com/educationportal/sites/US/productDetail/us_sdk_73_83_84.html ) May 24 21:08:24 * Stskeeps glances at http://wiki.theplaz.com/How-to_Create_a_TI-83_Plus_ROM_Image May 24 21:09:15 also, my xp is kinda dead :P May 24 21:09:20 which seems to be needed May 24 21:13:03 Sts: TI only offers ROM update not a complete ROM May 24 21:13:10 even the SDK? :P May 24 21:13:16 Sts: Not sure have not tried May 24 21:13:46 My guess is that you can use any computer to dump it, just send the ti program over tilink and get the file with standard ti tools May 24 21:13:52 conversion I can do by myself May 24 21:17:03 RST38h: http://wiki.theplaz.com/How-to_Create_a_TI-83_Plus_ROM_Image#TI.27s_SDK May 24 21:17:04 looks sane May 24 21:36:50 Trying... May 24 21:38:02 Sts: Does not have 84+, 83+SE, or 84+SE May 24 21:38:24 wait, se is there May 24 21:39:16 ~seen qwerty12_N800 May 24 21:39:19 qwerty12_n800 was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 20d 15h 10m 13s ago, saying: 'radic: advanced-backlight?'. May 24 21:39:38 20 days!?!?!? O.0 May 24 22:36:08 RST38h, more calculators to digest May 24 23:16:49 http://www.skibur.com is almost up May 24 23:33:20 what app do I need for ping command in x terminal? May 24 23:34:23 ping ;p May 24 23:34:26 w30: ping May 24 23:34:52 w30: for maemo, its called "iputils" May 24 23:35:01 duh, ok! May 24 23:35:14 w30: http://maemo.org/development/tools/doc/diablo/iputils/ here May 24 23:35:27 zakkm, thanks, May 24 23:35:36 w30: getting download deb, onesec May 24 23:35:45 w3 May 24 23:35:56 w30: http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo4.1/free/i/iputils/iputils-ping_20020927-6osso1_armel.deb May 24 23:36:06 w30: you know how to install from deb? May 24 23:36:24 w30: apt-get install iptuils-ping should also work i think sicne its in maemo repositories May 24 23:38:15 zakkm, yeah, but been a while, I can find out how again *smile* May 24 23:38:59 zakkm, thanks May 24 23:41:16 w30: you download to nokia tablet... in application manager, press menu key.. Install- from file.. select deb May 24 23:41:47 zakkm, I have a folder somewhere with debs and the installer stuff somewhere in 160 gigs of stuff May 24 23:43:11 oh wow okay i dont know May 24 23:43:17 deb is installer though. May 24 23:43:28 the "setup .exe" for tablet May 24 23:44:42 zakkm, thats cool, I like that better than the old way before I upgraded the 770 OS May 24 23:46:04 your on 770? May 24 23:46:55 zakkm, w30 wants a 810 but can't afford one. May 24 23:47:08 yeah so do i ;p May 24 23:47:13 my 770 wsod 2 weeks after i got it May 24 23:47:23 and after that i was so broke so i saved upp sooo much and bought a n800 May 24 23:47:36 got a parttime job and everything May 24 23:47:43 and now wishing i got a n810, but financially it wasnt worth it May 24 23:48:37 zakkm, what's wsod? Went South of Denver? May 24 23:49:34 white screen of death May 24 23:49:41 evantually your 770 will stop working May 24 23:49:47 on its own, huge design flaw May 24 23:49:55 whatever you do .. do not turn it off or restart it okay? May 24 23:50:06 one day randomly you do that.. the screen will stay white.. and never ever change May 24 23:50:07 lol May 24 23:50:28 w30: okay? May 24 23:50:30 so... prophetic May 24 23:51:39 zakkm, I have had absolutely no trouble with mine execpt the do ate through the power cord and now it is joined with gray duct tabe May 24 23:51:47 do/dog May 24 23:52:27 zakkm, I turn it off at least twice a day. May 24 23:52:36 w30: do not ever turn it off May 24 23:52:51 theres no point for one.. and one day you will turn it on and it will stay white May 24 23:53:09 the screen controller evantually breaks on its own, and you cant repair it May 24 23:53:32 w30: charge it, leave it on.. do not turn off/restart it .. it takes so much power to do that anywayas its not worth it May 24 23:53:48 the power to turn it off and on.. is about 4 days of battery May 24 23:54:07 if the ui screws up, you kill hildon-desktop May 24 23:54:08 really? May 24 23:55:34 yes May 24 23:55:50 on the 770 it breaks.. not n800/n810 May 24 23:55:56 but battery wise, yes May 24 23:56:01 you shouldnt turn off the tablet May 24 23:56:47 its like a ipod, you shouldnt do it with a ipod too May 24 23:56:54 laptops are a different story.. May 24 23:57:14 zakkm, I got one of the first ones that were avilable after the initial backordered ones were filled. May 24 23:57:42 w30: so the good ones, even still you shouldnt turn it off , its more of a wast eof battery then leaving it on May 25 00:00:46 zakkm, I would like to do the phone stuff on the 810, so if it breaks I will ask Santa for an 810. May 25 00:01:02 phone stuff on the 810? May 25 00:01:13 can have skype on 770 May 25 00:01:23 and call and such, has builtin speaker+mic May 25 00:01:28 zakkm, skype etc. video phone May 25 00:02:36 zakkm, two days. May 25 00:02:37 w30: if you install 2007HE, you can use skype. May 25 00:03:17 GAN800: w30 said turns off twice a day... i was trying to say should just leave it on, so i exaggerated a little ;p May 25 00:03:25 Bobbe, yes. The powersaving is targetted at good idle life, not fast, lightweight boots. May 25 00:03:32 zakkm, ah, sorry. May 25 00:03:42 also doesnt the 770 have worse battery? May 25 00:03:49 One cycle is 2 days of idle if you're getting about 10 days total. May 25 00:04:00 and 2006/07 worse battery life.. making it more than 2days idle? :P May 25 00:04:01 zakkm, to really make it work I will have to update to a bluetooth phone or else stick close to wifi May 25 00:04:09 zakkm, BP-5L for 770 and N800, BP-4L for N810 May 25 00:04:13 All 1500mAh May 25 00:04:18 ohh May 25 00:04:20 just a guess May 25 00:04:32 zakkm, the 770's WiFi powersaving was nowhere near as good. May 25 00:04:43 but yeah w30, you'd be better off battery life wise and time wise to just leave it on than turn off tablet May 25 00:05:17 i have pink skin under neath the scar tissue :O the two halves have joined (only near the edge for now) :O May 25 00:05:56 zakkm, I have an 110 volt inverter for my car lighter so a battery life of a couple of hours for laptop or 770 works for me. May 25 00:06:29 lcuk: what are you talking about? May 25 00:07:07 the skin around where i had my stitches in is peeling revealing nice clean new skin underneath :) May 25 00:07:10 car lighter, ... i think i need to start talking to people my age :) May 25 00:07:33 lcuk, My dog got super glued together, so go to a vet! May 25 00:07:34 lcuk: oh thats cool, show your children? :) May 25 00:07:46 did you groose them out? :) May 25 00:07:52 yeah one runs away the other tries to grab it May 25 00:08:22 hehh :) May 25 00:09:11 w30, i wouldv prefered glue May 25 00:09:15 its the end of my finger May 25 00:09:23 and i had stitches whilst could still feel May 25 00:09:34 how do you type :( May 25 00:10:03 differently May 25 00:10:04 * zakkm learns the first thing he will worry about when his hand gets injured is if he will ever be able to type again ;p May 25 00:10:30 * zakkm thinks hes not like all the other highschool boys ;p May 25 00:10:33 for the first week it was like fort knox i had a metal spoon cast around it to put the bone back together May 25 00:10:38 car lighter: translated 12 volt auxillary power terminal, either keyed or battery sourced May 25 00:10:42 and help keep it from falling out May 25 00:11:14 w30: heh im implying you have a car .. therefore most likely older. i dont know anything about cars May 25 00:12:00 zakkm, he's worried about pumping his fist May 25 00:13:24 lcuk: may i ask what you do for a career, highly curious, i always like see you here and such and wonder where you have time for a job May 25 00:13:32 heh,heh, May 25 00:13:38 :) May 25 00:13:53 stskeeps too , but hes not here to ask May 25 00:14:01 i have a family, a fulltime dayjob and im creating liqbase :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vt7qB37sLLo May 25 00:14:18 yeah what dayjob, if you dont mind sharing May 25 00:14:47 omg i should go and get my n800 back from friend , i want to test out the liqbase! ;p May 25 00:14:52 software development :) May 25 00:15:00 lent it to him like two weeks ago , bit more May 25 00:15:04 in visual basic May 25 00:15:17 oh cool May 25 00:15:27 pays well? May 25 00:16:07 none of your damned business :) May 25 00:16:35 i have a friend who is doing it, his dad is a programming very old very uhh strict by-the-book programming, his dad used to work for redhat too, and my friend he said he plans to make $150+ a hour, but that just seems insanely too high to me May 25 00:16:41 i dont mean exact numbers ;p May 25 00:17:07 i meant like enough, nice job security, not too much stressful May 25 00:17:47 like as a career to go into it May 25 00:18:02 i keep hearing like really high numbers and then really low numbers May 25 00:18:26 my school computer programming has like automatic access to some nice programming university called University of Waterloo May 25 00:27:10 zakkm, thanks for the help, I'm going to see if I can get my 770 to ping the network. May 25 00:27:19 bye May 25 00:27:31 w30 try not to turn it off if you can, would save more battery May 25 00:27:38 w30: bye May 25 00:35:16 hey folks May 25 00:36:28 a bit OT, but can anyone recommend any good Nokia phones available in Canada? (e.g. Rogers) May 25 00:36:51 I'm hoping to ditch my current carrier this fall May 25 01:04:30 jaem_N810, buy unlocked? May 25 01:04:57 jaem_N810, 5800 or E71 May 25 01:10:36 hi May 25 01:12:34 hello May 25 01:18:37 GAN8001: I would buy it unlocked, but y budget is limited May 25 01:19:05 and given that I won't be switching carriers, and likely won't be out of the country, that's not a big deal May 25 01:19:14 thanks, though May 25 01:19:22 I was looking at the E71... May 25 01:20:57 how locked down is the software? I know it's not like Maemo, but what level of control do you have over the OS? May 25 01:25:47 well by default you get to install apps, as long as they're signed by the creator recently May 25 01:26:03 can you self-sign your own? May 25 01:26:10 yeah May 25 01:26:17 and does the Qt port work on this model? May 25 01:26:44 but if you want to develop for symbian you should probably have your head examined by a professional May 25 01:26:52 lol May 25 01:27:05 I would just like to be able to tinker with it May 25 01:27:24 it may not be fun, but if I *can't*, that's a big limitation May 25 01:27:29 bbiab - dinner May 25 01:27:35 you cant modify the os May 25 01:27:56 for tinkering... there's python available :P May 25 01:28:26 it tries hard to hide symian-isms from you, though you still encounter them May 25 01:30:05 dunno about qt, but: http://www.forum.nokia.com/Tools_Docs_and_Code/Tools/Runtimes/Qt_for_S60/ May 25 01:51:00 ShadowJK: python sounds good, and I presume there's an ssh client available? May 25 01:59:26 jaem_N810, there's a port of putty May 25 01:59:48 http://s2putty.sourceforge.net/ May 25 02:00:32 If you think tinkering/developing on/for maemo is cumbersome, difficult or complex, then you've seen nothing yet :) May 25 02:05:23 ShadowJK: thanks for the info May 25 02:18:59 jaem, the alternative is to buy really cheap and wait out the Maemo phone. May 25 02:19:12 Or perhaps an open source Symbian model. May 25 02:24:19 There might be opensource symbian, but I doubt we'd see handsets that aren't tivoized May 25 02:29:33 Sure, but it's sure to be a step forward from the current arrangement. May 25 02:36:21 heh May 25 02:36:57 got a usb hdd with wii isos on it that get loaded by an app in homebrew May 25 02:36:58 it's awesome **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon May 25 02:59:57 2009