**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu May 28 02:59:58 2009 May 28 04:07:12 hi May 28 04:09:49 i ran remove libc6 all is removed from my n810 how can i get it back May 28 04:14:56 i ran remove libc6 all is removed from my n810 how can i get it back May 28 04:18:32 mib_7lhlub2u: you start from scratch May 28 04:18:35 and learn not to do stupid things May 28 04:20:36 luke-jr:where to start from do you have any doc or link that i can refer? May 28 04:24:32 ~flashing May 28 04:24:33 i heard flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware May 28 04:24:37 mib_7lhlub2u, ^^ May 28 04:28:46 no way other than flashing like restore factory settings or something :( May 28 04:29:16 flashing is restore factory settings for us May 28 04:29:24 you remove libc6, you get to reflash May 28 04:29:28 it's the nokia promise :) May 28 04:30:05 but seriously, linux gives you enough rope to hang yourself with; it's up to you how you use it May 28 04:42:24 what can i use to mount remote directories over ssh in maemo? May 28 04:44:27 fuse and sshfs available from extras May 28 04:44:29 ~extras May 28 04:44:30 rumour has it, extras is http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras May 28 04:46:49 <|R> uhm, and i can't install modules-init-tools May 28 04:47:10 <|R> ah ... scrap that, i've got insmod May 28 04:48:16 yeah, module-init-tools depends on bash or something May 28 04:48:30 <|R> lsb-base May 28 04:48:32 ♡ bash May 28 04:48:46 <|R> hehe yeah, i wish maemo used bash and not busybox May 28 04:49:03 meh, who uses Maemo anymore? May 28 04:49:14 <|R> hehe May 28 04:49:23 <|R> well, i guess i'm the only user than :P May 28 04:49:27 it would be nice if it was at least installable May 28 04:49:34 bash that is May 28 04:49:39 <|R> yeah May 28 04:49:55 <|R> without the : You're better off jumping off a bridge, please type: yes May 28 04:50:03 ♥ N800 May 28 04:50:12 I use maemo still too... May 28 04:50:29 heck, even I dualboot for now May 28 04:50:43 <|R> Off a card? May 28 04:51:18 mer on a card, maemo on nand May 28 04:51:41 <|R> i keep seeing mer mentionned here... May 28 04:51:49 <|R> but never looked at what it was... quick url? :) May 28 04:52:02 * |R googles May 28 04:52:32 <|R> ah cool May 28 04:52:40 <|R> So.. what's missing from mer ? May 28 04:53:00 <|R> or what cool stuff does it add ? May 28 04:54:02 it adds a sane base distribution with bash and almost all of ubuntu May 28 04:54:28 <|R> Was there proprietary driver left? May 28 04:54:41 right now, sound needs to get added, then we need to figure out how to start (automagically) recompiling the apps that are in extras May 28 04:54:49 <|R> i mean, do we loose some support for gps/sound/wifi/bt/whatever ? May 28 04:54:52 the sound situation is somewhat proprietary May 28 04:55:01 <|R> ok May 28 04:55:34 <|R> so it's running the latest kernel and all? May 28 04:56:08 nope, still has Nokia's kernel for now May 28 04:56:59 it will be capable of using the latest kernel whenever it gets finished off, but there isn't really a full-time kernel hacker working on Mer ;) May 28 04:57:14 |R: GPS is no-go indefiniately until Nokia decides to help us (possibly after 3D) May 28 04:57:26 |R: Wifi works, no idea on BT (seems useless tbh) May 28 04:57:31 er, it's supported to some degree I think May 28 04:57:34 BT works fine May 28 04:57:40 <|R> 3D for the n8x0 ? May 28 04:57:51 I have sound output with 2.6.30-rc6, but no input May 28 04:58:03 2.6.30-rc6 has broken keyboard tho May 28 04:58:07 <|R> hehe May 28 04:58:26 yes, 3D fro N8x0 May 28 04:58:28 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ May 28 04:58:52 <|R> i thought it was impossible? that using 800x480 used the 3D capacity for the extra screen "surface" (pixel count) May 28 04:59:28 I thoguht it was just a 640x480 limitation on the 3D area May 28 05:00:00 <|R> oh ok, so you could do it but not use all the screen... cool :) May 28 05:02:38 luke-jr, no sound output in 2.6.30 for the n800, only for the n810 May 28 05:02:57 johnxx: you need to screw with the mixer May 28 05:03:00 I forget how XD May 28 05:03:06 luke-jr, it's a different SoC May 28 05:03:08 o May 28 05:03:33 and yes, there are instructions to use the GPS, sound and BT in Mer May 28 05:03:40 soon it will be all nice and setup out-of-the-box May 28 05:03:49 headed out for now, lots of info on the mer wiki May 28 05:03:50 ~mer May 28 05:03:51 somebody said mer was http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer May 28 05:03:52 :) May 28 05:04:27 <|R> yé :) May 28 05:04:49 <|R> I'll leave it as it is for now, cause i'm leaving for 2 months in a month but when i come back hopefully i can switch :) May 28 05:05:03 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ May 28 05:06:27 luke-jr: get the cat off the keyboard ;-) May 28 05:13:36 <|R> the wifi on the n8x0 is what, 35mW with 0 dBi antenna? May 28 05:49:03 morning May 28 05:50:56 |R: I am wondering too esp that i have a 500mW USB 802.11n adapter with a 9dBi antenna. (Overkill? what overkill? :p ) May 28 06:31:55 hm May 28 06:55:44 finally! I cross compiled dash May 28 06:55:48 woo May 28 06:55:57 not sure maemo runs with it though May 28 06:56:10 did anyone try? May 28 06:56:38 possibly qwerty12_N800 May 28 07:00:02 /bin/sh is not a symlink? May 28 07:01:33 it's busybox so there's bashisms May 28 07:01:55 LiraNuna: If you're using it as a boot shell, make it accept '.' as 'source'. Unless yoou wanna change a loot of init scripts... May 28 07:02:43 'source' ? May 28 07:03:01 I'm not sure I understand May 28 07:03:28 yeah, bash understands the command 'source', dash doesn't :P May 28 07:03:35 as it's a full posix shell May 28 07:03:58 well I'm more interested in it as a login shell May 28 07:04:07 That said, dash isn't that awesome on a tablet anyway - busybox's ash really does strike a good balance between speed and features May 28 07:04:33 ash isn't that good in some key combos I like May 28 07:04:33 Bleh, I need a real keyboard. May 28 07:08:11 Ah, the joys of SAS internet checkin: No passenger found May 28 07:09:12 neat :P May 28 07:09:16 "It's a conspiracy!" May 28 07:09:30 X-Fade: notice the hovering black helicopters above? ;) May 28 07:09:54 * Sts|office tries to turn his freerunner into a bluetooth gps May 28 07:10:05 Sts|office: Nah, that airline is just broken ;) May 28 07:10:30 i'm still waiting on the hotel info even though the guy said it'll come within hours :P May 28 07:10:39 +few May 28 07:11:10 Ah, well I have just put my name on the wiki page and hope it will work if I show up at the hotel ;) May 28 07:18:45 Ok - xmodmap installed, and I finally have a | key. :) May 28 07:19:18 Almost nobody outside Japan needs the Yen symbol, but everyone needs the pipe character! :-P May 28 07:20:00 :O May 28 07:22:34 rmt_: and tab is also something that you need to map ;) May 28 07:23:02 rmt_, not everyone needs the pipe character... May 28 07:23:23 crashanddie, *GASP* How do they live? May 28 07:24:27 rmt_, dunno, never met one May 28 07:24:32 Just heard about 'em folks May 28 07:24:55 Hmm.. pound! Almost nobody uses the pound key! Maybe Yen should be tab, and pound should be bar. May 28 07:32:24 rmt_, fuck off May 28 07:32:32 :-P May 28 07:33:14 $ ain't worth squat, and the euro sign is an inbred piece of shit :P May 28 07:33:38 It was so much easier when half europe was using Francs, just a bloody F May 28 07:34:33 I think the 3 letter currency symbol is fine for most purposes. May 28 07:35:14 And if I want no confusion, I use that.. or AUD$ or US$ May 28 07:35:22 But GBP serves the purpose. May 28 07:35:52 As does EUR.. but I find € easier to write than £ May 28 07:36:03 * rmt_ assumes UTF-8 May 28 07:36:16 rmt_, assumed correctly May 28 07:36:34 rmt_, yet, on a British keyboard, it really isn't all that complicated to type May 28 07:36:45 shift + 3 = £ May 28 07:36:50 shit + 4 = $ May 28 07:36:59 alt + 4 = € May 28 07:37:19 crashanddie: not on this POS keyboard May 28 07:37:26 The Euro symbol, that is May 28 07:37:27 Hmm, most new US-style keyboards have € on 5 May 28 07:37:29 qwerty12, yeah but you're poor May 28 07:37:36 damn, found out :( May 28 07:37:44 And they miss the £ *pokes tongue out* May 28 07:37:46 anyway, gotta go to work May 28 07:37:52 When is the UK switching to euros, anyway? May 28 07:37:57 NEVAH May 28 07:38:16 I got completely screwed over when I arrived here May 28 07:38:34 they'd better not move to euros just yet, need to strengthen quite a bit still May 28 07:38:41 Hah. May 28 07:38:53 Going to the UK is always a bad idea. :-) May 28 07:39:10 arrived here, was offered a job package that had the same figures as in mainland europe, but with a currency worth 1.5 the euro May 28 07:39:25 I amuse myself at the UK folks who moved to spain. :) May 28 07:39:56 started working, 2 weeks later, the world melts the fuck down, and when you include transaction fees and all that shit, I get a 1:1 ratio May 28 07:39:59 Had to move back with currency fluctuations, only to find out they can't afford any houses back home either. :-P May 28 07:40:32 crashanddie, I had a fairly simple choice .. UK or Netherlands, if I wanted decent contract rates.. I chose the better option. :) May 28 07:40:46 rmt_, actually, the netherlands is about to start a new programme May 28 07:40:54 rmt_, to get specific skills into the country May 28 07:41:07 rmt_, watch out for that, if you're accepted, you get a 10 year tax cut May 28 07:41:13 Luckily, I have a gf already.. otherwise the UK and its excellent immigration programme would've been better. :) May 28 07:41:22 crashanddie, That's not new. May 28 07:41:31 crashanddie, I had it.. 30% ruling.. May 28 07:41:36 Top 30% of your income is tax free. May 28 07:41:53 I'm still on it, actually.. I need to deregister, 'cause it's eating into my 10 year allowance. May 28 07:42:11 best still: don't spend more than 3 months in a country per year May 28 07:42:18 Just 3 more months of dutch health insurance, then I'll move to Germany and deregister. May 28 07:42:28 just pick out 4 countries, hire a flat in each of those for 3 months May 28 07:42:30 crashanddie, You sure it's 3? May 28 07:42:38 yeah it's like 112 days May 28 07:42:47 so 3 months to give you some room May 28 07:43:06 6 months is the normal ruling for tax liability .. but I'm not sure what it is if your <6 months in three countries. May 28 07:43:26 well, 6 months in 3 countries per year is getting quite tricky :D May 28 07:43:43 fuuuuuuck, I'm late May 28 07:43:47 gotta go# May 28 07:43:55 A German guy I know normally spends the northern winter in Australia on a business visa.. one year he was there for over 6 months.. May 28 07:44:12 The aussies didn't want to tax him because of his visa type, and the German government didn't want to either. Lucky him. May 28 07:44:13 crashanddie: see the effect #maemo has on people? >.< May 28 07:46:17 hm May 28 07:46:21 mushroom men is god May 28 07:46:24 the spore wars :) May 28 07:46:27 lol :P May 28 07:46:46 something special to pull a spinnign fan in order to shred a bunny rabbit May 28 07:46:56 :) May 28 07:47:27 Damn, you'd think 590x319 is a nice size for Diablo's HildonFileChooser >.< May 28 07:53:04 Morning, all May 28 07:54:28 morning jaffaf May 28 08:19:27 I think there was some error linking my talk account to my maemo.org karma :) May 28 08:19:34 I have 1 discussion point May 28 08:20:28 johnx: Enough for you ;) May 28 08:20:44 heh May 28 08:20:58 right. 770, smartq5, n800, .. broken n800, camera May 28 08:21:00 .. freerunner May 28 08:21:04 * Sts|office wonders what else May 28 08:21:25 n800, n810, zaurus, ... wii? May 28 08:21:57 laptop *cough*from work*cough* May 28 08:22:22 ugh May 28 08:22:25 cd burning is so slow May 28 08:22:36 why can a dvd burner go like 10MB/s and a cd burner goes 3? May 28 08:22:37 :) May 28 08:22:48 johnx: join the club May 28 08:23:03 johnx: hey. how well does mer run on the wii? May 28 08:23:13 not so hot yet May 28 08:23:27 it could run pretty well with a little more work, but I haven't gotten around to it yet May 28 08:23:28 ah. i'm guessing you didn't get the internal wifi working also? May 28 08:23:41 nope, used usb-ethernet adapter May 28 08:23:44 it was like $3 May 28 08:23:53 hm May 28 08:23:59 ok. sorry. was just curious May 28 08:24:09 i was looking at the distro they have out for it.. and well.. it looks like it sucks :) May 28 08:24:37 err, debian/xwhiite isn't bad May 28 08:24:45 no? May 28 08:24:46 supports most of the hardware that is possible to support May 28 08:24:52 what i missing? May 28 08:24:56 just the wifi? May 28 08:24:59 yup May 28 08:25:09 does it use X at all? May 28 08:25:09 and you can plug in any usb linux-supported wifi you want May 28 08:25:16 GRRRH May 28 08:25:17 has X, comes up with wiimote support May 28 08:25:22 you can install debian packages May 28 08:25:24 wow really? May 28 08:25:36 hm. i have a usb wifi that i'm almost positive linux would be able to use May 28 08:25:45 why doesn't the internal wifi work? May 28 08:25:48 isn't it just a linksys? May 28 08:25:56 like an atheros or broadcom or something? May 28 08:26:12 it might be just different enough from the desktop version May 28 08:26:18 oh... was also wondering. does the distro come with wbfs support? May 28 08:26:21 Myrtti: ?? :P May 28 08:26:25 I really don't know why it isn't supported , just that people said it would be hard May 28 08:26:30 wbfs? May 28 08:26:40 wbfs = wii filesystem May 28 08:26:49 i guess they made some sort of autoscrubbing filesystem for the wiii :) May 28 08:27:43 i didn't believe it until i saw it. it's a lot easier to use than using a fat32 since the fat32 drive maxes out at 4GB and doesn't scrub May 28 08:27:58 you have to scrub them manually and xfer them over and if you wind up with a game like smash bros that is like 8G you're just screwed May 28 08:28:12 i have over 80 games on a 400G drive now :) it's great May 28 08:28:26 although about 75 of them work.. 5 of them are giving me problems that i can't figure out May 28 08:28:39 anyways going to get some white castle since it's the only thing open and i'm hungry ... ttyl May 28 08:28:47 have fun May 28 08:28:51 don't get disentary May 28 08:43:20 Hello from Copenhagen May 28 08:43:49 'lo timelys, is it as windy there as here? :P May 28 08:44:35 Dunno, haven't reclaimed my luggage yet May 28 08:44:52 ah May 28 08:45:35 god I love my N800 ♥ May 28 08:48:49 Anyone know how to get to the hotel from the airport? May 28 08:49:22 cabinn? grab metro M2 towards Vanløse May 28 08:49:33 drop off at Forum station May 28 08:50:12 it's 4 min walk from there May 28 08:50:48 Thanks May 28 08:51:37 Seems easy enough ;) May 28 08:51:39 Myrtti: :P May 28 08:51:57 timelys: ah, got in early to get all set up for our arrivals? :P May 28 08:51:58 X-Fade: it would have been hell before the metro May 28 08:52:26 Sts|office: Never been there, so haven't had the pleasure yet ;) May 28 08:52:46 and don't be scared that there seems to be no driver in the metro May 28 08:52:47 :P May 28 08:53:21 Umm, i have other things I need to do tonight and tomorrow May 28 08:53:44 Which preclude arriving them May 28 08:53:49 Err then May 28 08:54:03 T9 isn't perfect :-( May 28 08:54:43 Sts, are you reading a wikitravel page? May 28 08:55:06 no, i checked out the route before :) May 28 08:55:15 as i'm taking it tomorrow May 28 08:55:44 Planning ahead ... How ... Odd May 28 08:55:50 heh ;) May 28 08:56:02 being slightly autistic about planning sometimes helps :P May 28 08:56:15 Do plant wait for baggage May 28 08:56:40 yeah, i expect to be waiting at least an hour for the other peeps :P May 28 08:56:57 no, t9 definitely is not working May 28 08:57:42 The signs will list a belt and the minutes until it will have your flight May 28 08:58:12 Rst. That's my phone eating keys May 28 08:58:17 * Sts|office will be going to cph with train May 28 08:58:42 No fair May 28 08:58:58 Heh May 28 08:59:13 Minutes: delayed May 28 09:00:12 "ERR: luggage caught fire" May 28 09:01:35 lol May 28 09:01:37 * lcuk writes gate number on side of hand :$ May 28 09:02:20 i keepforgetting which and having to dive into bag to get boarding pass, so i learn to just write it on, its quicker and simpler May 28 09:03:04 what does scarlet fever come from? May 28 09:03:11 lcuk: you bringing your unflashable n800 with you for us to look at? :P May 28 09:03:13 i know it's an advancement of something May 28 09:03:17 pneumonia? May 28 09:03:34 Macer: light red fever -> scarlet fever? :P May 28 09:03:45 yeah rm_you i can do May 28 09:03:53 cool May 28 09:03:59 are they safe to just lob into luggage May 28 09:04:07 i'm watching the reader May 28 09:04:12 i dont want to go through security and drop a whole collection May 28 09:04:22 nothing beats watching a post nazi film about germany :) May 28 09:05:45 ze germans! May 28 09:10:07 lcuk: i always carry them on May 28 09:11:04 thud thud thud thud! as they drop into the security box, i hate carrying so much tech \@/ (lap+2 810s+now 800) May 28 09:11:35 i wouldn't get through security if i was flying. May 28 09:11:38 the reader is like teenage fantasy May 28 09:11:40 haha May 28 09:11:48 maybe i could sync them up so they show a movie to the xray scanner person May 28 09:11:52 one frmae per device May 28 09:12:04 "I" "AM" "NOT" "A" "TERRORIST"? ;) May 28 09:14:00 not exactly what i was thinking May 28 09:14:03 lol May 28 09:14:11 lcuk: i take SO much tech through May 28 09:14:21 "maemo devices" May 28 09:14:26 "they are great" May 28 09:14:35 "make you happy" May 28 09:14:38 "burma shave!" May 28 09:14:43 lcuk: and then the "A" tablet dies May 28 09:14:50 err. May 28 09:14:51 NOT May 28 09:14:52 switch to B game May 28 09:14:54 thats easy May 28 09:15:13 i flip out the memory card put it in different one May 28 09:15:19 lcuk: laptop, n800, DS, bluetooth keybord, gps, nintendo DS, cellphone, about a billion cables... May 28 09:15:21 and carry on May 28 09:15:23 hopefully May 28 09:16:00 rm_you, i am almost certain you are getting a cavity search May 28 09:16:09 lol May 28 09:16:24 havent yet May 28 09:16:27 if a security officer sees all that hes gonna get jealous May 28 09:17:01 though coming BACK to the US is a little scary always cause if you look at customs wrong they can just TAKE your stuff indefinitely and if they find copyrighted material on it they will just turn it over to the MPAA/RIAA May 28 09:17:02 >_> May 28 09:17:33 you're screwed then :p May 28 09:17:46 lol May 28 09:18:07 on the way back from the summit i had my bags searched May 28 09:18:17 i opened it at home and found a letter from security in it May 28 09:18:27 thankfully they let it through May 28 09:18:32 did they find your explosives / drugs? :P May 28 09:18:44 lol i get one of those letters EVERY SINGLE TIME I FLY May 28 09:18:57 did get one from the german customs AND the US customs May 28 09:19:03 first ever time for me :$ May 28 09:19:28 Ok bags arriving May 28 09:19:56 timelys, cool May 28 09:20:08 * lcuk has been sent a CV from a zulu May 28 09:20:10 Bag claimed :) May 28 09:20:46 RST38h: fMSX351.zip's Maemo folder is still non-existent :) May 28 09:26:03 timelys: o/ May 28 09:26:34 see you in a couple days :P May 28 09:30:51 wow. the reader is depressing May 28 10:00:27 do they still have concentration camps in germany? May 28 10:00:36 like.. as memorials or s omething? May 28 10:02:03 tourist attractions, maybe May 28 10:02:18 O_o May 28 10:02:26 Attractions? *shivers* May 28 10:02:46 haha May 28 10:03:04 i'm just curious because i'm watching the reader and he is walking through one May 28 10:03:10 and there are skeletons all over the place May 28 10:03:17 "the reader"? May 28 10:03:20 wtf May 28 10:03:23 stage? May 28 10:03:31 greenscreen? May 28 10:03:40 it could be. don't know. May 28 10:03:42 o_O May 28 10:03:45 not a gree screen May 28 10:03:53 although sometimes it is hard to tell nowadays :) May 28 10:03:56 Macer: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auschwitz_concentration_camp#After_the_war May 28 10:04:44 so they're still around, probably to remind of the horrors that happened there May 28 10:04:58 yeah O_o May 28 10:05:06 well, on THAT note, off to bed May 28 10:05:17 see ya'll in like... a day and a half May 28 10:05:33 yep, cya May 28 10:05:34 err, two days ? May 28 10:05:40 thu here :P May 28 10:05:45 so in about 25 hours May 28 10:05:48 one day :P May 28 10:05:51 lolk May 28 10:06:10 * rm_you sleeps May 28 10:07:43 Sts|office: the reader is about the trials after the war May 28 10:09:00 young high school kid falls in love with a woman .. goes to law school... and finds out the woman he fell in love with was an ss agent who is on trial for wars against humanity May 28 10:09:48 older woman actually. twice his age :) teaches him about precious bodily fluids May 28 10:09:53 during the art of love making May 28 10:09:54 haha May 28 10:10:22 This is screwed up May 28 10:11:09 Sounds as if no reasonable amount of controlled substances can motivate these script writers any more. May 28 10:12:07 goddamn kate winslett is old as hell May 28 10:15:48 Sts: yes wind. Yes pain drops May 28 10:15:58 Or rain drops May 28 10:17:05 wow. german prison in 1976 doesn't seem too bad May 28 10:17:18 they get tape players and stuff May 28 10:17:34 Macer: http://www.hemmy.net/2007/09/29/austrian-five-star-prison/ :> May 28 10:18:45 wtf?? :) May 28 10:18:47 holy shit May 28 10:19:03 how do you get into that place? if i were in austria i would be breaking hte law on purpose May 28 10:22:15 blah. this movie isn't as interesting now that the trialisover May 28 10:42:42 qwerty12: hahahah May 28 10:42:52 the pic where they show the inmate with a huge smile playing ping pong is a riot May 28 10:43:05 hehe May 28 10:45:44 i guess kate winslet doesn't look that babd May 28 10:45:45 bad May 28 10:45:49 :) for a 34 yr old May 28 10:46:18 she won an oscar for the reader May 28 11:05:38 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Birkenau25August1944.jpg May 28 11:05:40 wow May 28 11:05:45 that place is huge May 28 11:06:08 it's a picture from an airplane and they were sending so many people there that you can see the prisoners from the sky May 28 11:11:09 Macer: yeah, its big. and very, very depressing. :( May 28 11:11:31 yah May 28 11:11:50 i think the best movie to ever describe it was schindler's list May 28 11:12:00 threre is a chimney on the engine room but no chimney on the gas chamber itself May 28 11:12:21 why would you need a chimney on the chamber? May 28 11:12:28 I don't think that they wanted those gases to escape... May 28 11:13:10 Macer: cause these gases are deadly. You need to throw em away high up in the sky to prevent presonnel casualities May 28 11:13:30 wazd: they didn't care about their personnel, they used other prisoners to do the dirty work and then killed them later May 28 11:14:08 Robot101: well, don't think that guards were prisoners too May 28 11:14:36 i am sure the germans had an efficient and safe way of committing mass murder May 28 11:15:09 wazd: no, but the people moving the bodies around were May 28 11:15:27 moo wazd May 28 11:15:32 RST38h: heya May 28 11:15:57 Are there any live video sources from D7 btw? May 28 11:16:56 if you search for nazi death camp on google videos you can see the disgustingness of the death camps May 28 11:19:22 Macer: in fat I'm not interested, just was curious bout the photo May 28 11:19:43 http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3464847706951809005&ei=QnIeSpbHGKryqAPXsaC6Bg&q=nazi+death+camp May 28 11:21:12 urg, what happened to lightheartedness :S ill come back later May 28 11:23:33 wazd: btw almost made ti73 work May 28 11:23:47 http://s60.radikal.ru/i169/0905/97/95cd8bf04bf8.png , http://s45.radikal.ru/i107/0905/4d/0f7d47ebd43f.png , what do you think bout that type of settings arranging? May 28 11:24:03 RST38h: nice, I guess I must enable it on the image?) May 28 11:24:44 wazd: not yet, the hardware is somewhat different from 83+, need to fogire out how May 28 11:24:51 wazd, those look *really* nice :) May 28 11:25:06 wazd: as to those menus, I would move < and X farther away May 28 11:25:07 http://dpaste.de/sxFH/ May 28 11:25:19 wazd: i.e. place them in the corners May 28 11:25:44 Thinking of ways to create super simple maemo interfaces.. a flowable widget is a good one.. :-) May 28 11:26:08 rmt_, post in the maemo optimization thread on tmo May 28 11:26:10 Sorry - create more complex maemo interfaces in a super simple way. :) May 28 11:26:12 wazd: *probable* make color sample spots a big bigger May 28 11:26:18 lcuk2, url? May 28 11:26:18 RST38h: well, Fremantle has the cross in exactly same place, I thought it would be good to follow some of the gguidelines :) May 28 11:26:21 probably, sorry May 28 11:26:26 wazd: ah May 28 11:26:27 ok May 28 11:26:54 Now I remember, Freemantle has got that ugly elongated button around the cross May 28 11:27:11 RST38h: sort of :D May 28 11:27:20 rmt_, and have you seen how organic liqbase is - flowing between multiple ui elements and ending up at a single focued highlighted specific item? May 28 11:27:22 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=290974 May 28 11:27:37 lcuk2, I think that I can rewrite that in Vala.. maybe throw in a Lua interface.. then we can have our own widget toolkit :-) May 28 11:27:56 lcuk2, Not really.. must check out liqbase a bit more. May 28 11:28:11 Unfortunately, I should be working on other things right now, so I'm going to do that. :) May 28 11:28:13 wazd: otherwise looks cool =) May 28 11:28:15 yeah, the latest video shows a few more of its capabilities May 28 11:28:25 lcuk2: I have 1 idea for your search May 28 11:28:30 * lcuk2 likes wazd's latest May 28 11:28:48 only 1 wazd, i thought it might start to inspire more :) May 28 11:28:53 lcuk2: If you type "21 may" it should show your calendar appointments there May 28 11:29:11 yes wazd, the aim is to have ALL liq* elements filterable May 28 11:29:15 and the search on the front May 28 11:29:58 as i say in the video it was just a starting point, but the concept works from the few that i tried it with, its being standardized and adapted to work with the other piecs May 28 11:31:39 rmt_, vala has its own widget toolkit - GTK May 28 11:31:55 isnt vala and gobject and gtk all intertwined already :) May 28 11:32:30 lcuk2: pretty sure it can be used with SDL too, for example May 28 11:33:27 lcuk2, poor wording, yes.. But I mean super simple scriptable widgets. :) May 28 11:34:35 but vala IS super scriptable gtk widgets already isnt it? (cool qwerty12_N800, i also suppose itwill work with other libraries too) May 28 11:35:21 you dont have to make gtk widgets out of heavy components, you can start with containers and labels and pictures and work from there May 28 11:35:53 lcuk2: you can also make a ncurses application with vala if you really want to ;) May 28 11:36:35 heh juergbi May 28 11:37:53 lcuk2, I'd like to add support for easier HTTP requests.. XML page layout, etc. May 28 11:38:19 And local storage. May 28 11:38:22 oh, thats simple then - use qt instead of vala May 28 11:38:27 Hm? May 28 11:40:31 Seems silly to use anything but GTK on the device.. and low level code (and maybe lua for simple scripting) for post-prototypes. May 28 11:41:07 Python's great for prototyping. And for desktop apps, I'd stick with it. But if I want a fast app on my 810 w/o too much pain, I think that Vala's the best choice. May 28 11:41:40 what do you normally code in? May 28 11:41:59 rmt_: had a chance to test the new extras-devel valac? May 28 11:43:19 Jaffa - seems to work fine .. had to make some changes to my code for 0.7.3 though.. no Gtk.Widget.get_window() .. but not really needed on maemo, since I was using it to change the X cursor to a blank image. May 28 11:45:00 It's just a pity that VAPI has no support for targeting older versions. May 28 11:47:49 rmt_: yeah May 28 11:48:28 Jaffa, did it ever become clear as to why vala parsing was so slow on device May 28 11:48:31 Would be reasonably simple, I suspect.. just the version# each function was introduced at. May 28 11:49:00 lcuk2: No idea. I don't know if the new version now in extras-devel has had improvements which'd give a significant speed increase. Feedback welcome :) May 28 11:50:29 yeah ill peek when i get a few mins and some space on / its the closest thing to cfront at the moment (due to native c production) May 28 11:52:00 * Jaffa nods May 28 11:52:15 Jaffa, smartq devel programme will be 99$ (33$ rebate) btw May 28 11:56:19 is there mer status page somewhere?:P May 28 11:57:10 status means...? like roadmap? May 28 11:57:14 http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer May 28 11:57:17 current condition May 28 11:57:42 mer heartbeat page should be good May 28 11:57:54 "ismerreadyfordailyuseyet.com" May 28 11:58:03 jaska: http://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/cphnotes.pdf is a presentation i'm giving tomorrow May 28 11:58:06 should have a no and a yes only May 28 11:58:43 err, saturday May 28 11:59:47 which also gives an overview where we're lacking May 28 11:59:57 but the best way is really to try it out and see where we're lacking May 28 12:00:03 some people already use it day to day May 28 12:00:31 yes May 28 12:00:36 mostly wondering which hardware bits dont yet work, iirc sound was an issue before atleast, havent been keeping an eye all that closely May 28 12:01:46 Stskeeps_: wowowow May 28 12:02:02 Stskeeps_: cool - I think I want :) May 28 12:02:05 Stskeeps_: let me remake the slide with devices :) May 28 12:02:19 sound status: marc (?) has made omap2-dsp pulseaudio plugin, we need DSP tasks from Maemo to have it working with ALSA May 28 12:02:22 -> jaska May 28 12:03:04 but we cant use pulseaudio plugin yet as it doesnt build on recent pulseaudio :) May 28 12:03:04 Stskeeps_: how many available? Are you getting them and going to decide who's eligible? (Sounds most sensible) May 28 12:03:45 Jaffa: 10 rebates, and i'll decide based on skill and proposal related to improving mer experience, with focus on the smartq devices May 28 12:04:01 kinda like with the CPH sponsorship form May 28 12:04:28 so it's 10 best proposals matched with ability to actually do them :P May 28 12:04:28 Stskeeps_: sounds like a plan May 28 12:04:39 heh May 28 12:07:02 and it'll get shipped from singapore-- i asked if it is 33$ off either a Q5 or a Q7 May 28 12:10:46 jaska: we have an unfortunate dependancy on some closed blobs but i hope to work out a method this weekend so we can deal with them more sanely than adding a updates repository.. May 28 12:12:37 * lcuk2 will keep fingers out of doors May 28 12:13:02 lcuk2: Different country, so you should be ok :) May 28 12:13:22 different country, new rules May 28 12:13:35 im not sticking my fingers into anything thats not made of nerf May 28 12:29:45 hi May 28 12:34:51 hi thopiekar May 28 12:35:06 hey Jaffa May 28 12:44:27 Sheesh, even Peter can't spell Community Council right. May 28 12:44:57 morning GAN800 May 28 12:44:59 +1 May 28 12:45:05 Time to get the stick out? ;) May 28 12:45:14 GAN8001: Mer'll be basis of Ubuntu MID btw May 28 12:45:19 session was today May 28 12:45:21 Nice May 28 12:45:37 Stskeeps_: Woohoo! May 28 12:45:54 either that or i'm delusional, ;) May 28 12:46:06 Stskeeps_: Does that mean sponsorship/support from Canoncial? Or just some Ubuntu folks helping out? May 28 12:46:14 3 good packagers are always gooda May 28 12:46:17 and interest from community May 28 12:46:45 it'll be a cooperation, not a merge :P May 28 12:48:37 * GAN8001 goes to work. May 28 12:48:44 Stskeeps_, can we expect fist fights on pay per view? May 28 12:49:01 GAN8001 you have a job? May 28 13:02:57 ouch, lcuk2. May 28 13:03:17 hah May 28 13:05:16 GAN800: You around May 28 13:07:06 andrewfblack, only vaguely. May 28 13:10:02 GAN800, seriously, when did you get a job, thought you were still in uni? May 28 13:10:05 GAN800: sent a pm to you May 28 13:10:15 i know you had a summer thing a while back (last summer) May 28 13:10:18 but thats it May 28 13:11:06 lo andrewfblack :) May 28 13:11:18 Hey Stskeeps_ May 28 13:11:30 how are things on your side of the world May 28 13:12:19 andrewfblack: good, getting packed for tomorrow, happy that it seems like Mer will be basis of Ubuntu MID in Karmic. :) May 28 13:12:45 cool May 28 13:13:29 and that we are finally getting to a point where i can tell the maemo.org world about developer rebates for smartq5/7 :P May 28 13:14:33 nice how good are the rebates? May 28 13:14:50 33$ rebate, so you can buy it for 99$ May 28 13:15:28 huh.. May 28 13:15:37 what is thing thing i found on the smartq ftp.. May 28 13:15:55 it looks like maemo May 28 13:16:34 lcuk2, summer job at the bookstore again. :p May 28 13:17:06 good for you GAN800 nice to know you are still welcome even if it is dull May 28 13:17:13 did anyone hear anything about Marvell and Maemo btw? i heard from the smartq people that marvell uses maemo as reference for MID stuff May 28 13:17:35 lcuk2, they'd take me back with 2 hours notice for a half-day here. ;) May 28 13:17:59 you must smell like old books lol May 28 13:18:15 And dull isn't the word I would use. ;) May 28 13:18:29 I can't smell them anymore so maybe. May 28 13:18:47 tracy used to work in a book store May 28 13:18:57 the worst line she got from customers was: May 28 13:19:01 "im looking for a book...." May 28 13:19:09 "its ummm red" May 28 13:19:55 Heh. That sounds about right, lcuk2. May 28 13:20:22 yeah sjgadsby, it only got worse and worse as christmas got closer ;) May 28 13:20:29 lcuk2: Mao's Cultural Revolution Red Book? CD-audio spec? IBM RedBook series? May 28 13:20:33 My wife used to work in a Borders. I tried repeatedly to get her to tell customers that, "The blue section is over there." May 28 13:20:33 Stskeeps_: for $99 I would by one lol any chance of them coming to US or am I going ot have to import one? May 28 13:20:54 andrewfblack: mailed from singapore, 132$ is normal retail price May 28 13:20:57 haha May 28 13:21:24 Stskeeps_: where do you order then from? May 28 13:21:47 books ♥ May 28 13:21:56 qwerty12_N800: around? May 28 13:21:59 i have a true WTF for you May 28 13:22:16 Stskeeps_: Sounds... fun May 28 13:22:39 qwerty12_N800: i am digging in what seems to be a marvell maemo implementation, and there's a galculator deb laying there May 28 13:22:42 guess who's maintainer? May 28 13:22:56 I'm innocent! May 28 13:23:06 now i know why you quit ;p May 28 13:23:53 (to get big money at marvell!) May 28 13:24:04 Only one I ever stuck my name upon, as a maintainer, is the one in Extras. Oh, and the one in Mer. May 28 13:24:05 Lol May 28 13:24:55 * sjgadsby doesn't believe qwerty12_N800 is innocent of much of anything. May 28 13:25:59 That reminds me, Matan sent me a mail a long while ago with a DBus service file attached. I guess there is no harm in making galculator osso_initialize. May 28 13:26:16 Gee, sjgadsby, thanks for the confidence vote :) May 28 13:28:34 Just talked to Reggie Minimalist theme update will be uploaded tonight should fit well on cell phones and rotated tablets May 28 13:37:17 how was the url of the wikipage, where was explaind which section name I should take when uploading to extras.. May 28 13:37:58 thopiekar: https://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Package_categories May 28 13:38:06 thanks X-Fade May 28 13:38:08 :) May 28 13:40:14 lcuk2! I get that all the time. May 28 13:40:30 Worse yet, there's at least two millions books in this place. May 28 13:40:32 GAN800, yeah its annoying each time May 28 13:40:37 tracy said it was the worst part of the job May 28 13:40:57 'It might have a football on the cover . . . or maybe a dog' May 28 13:41:17 Nah, worst part is cleaning blood off the women's room toilet seats. May 28 13:41:34 Pleasant. May 28 13:41:36 GAN800: I didn't need to know that May 28 13:41:39 Or ejecting somebody for taking a piss in the middle of the sales floor. May 28 13:42:19 Yeah, and I didn't need to see it. :P May 28 13:42:42 :S you have killed the illusion May 28 13:42:58 X-Fade: ? May 28 13:43:19 thopiekar: ?? May 28 13:43:30 women are fairy princesses who hover over the seat and are freshly cleansed and dried by the cooling blossom scented spring breeze May 28 13:43:31 hello hello hello ! May 28 13:43:32 I just uploaded a new version of portaudio to extras.. when is it online? May 28 13:43:50 the build was successful.. May 28 13:44:49 to remove gizmo-installer i need to remove osso-software package too, right ? so can i remove osso-software, then remove gizmo (and others dependants) and then reinstall osso-software ? May 28 13:45:21 curious fact: what i just found is Marvell's platform it seems, which is Diablo SDK in installed ARM form May 28 13:45:24 oDuda: That will install gizmo again ;) May 28 13:45:34 ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh nooooooooooooooooooooooo hahahahah May 28 13:45:42 oDuda: osso-software-version-rx* is a meta-package for SSUs. and what X-Fade said May 28 13:45:43 ty X-Fade ! May 28 13:45:49 will i be an idiot if i don't contact them and let them know what Mer is? :P May 28 13:46:06 (for their Marvell products, development boards, etc) May 28 13:46:08 ty Jaffa too... May 28 13:46:24 any of you guys coming to this thing in copenhagen this weekend? May 28 13:46:39 Stskeeps_: Sounds like they want Mer :) May 28 13:46:44 lcuk2, you don't know the places I've cleansed of fecal matter. ;) May 28 13:46:49 Pavlov: johnx, me, luck, rm_you, etc May 28 13:46:53 nice May 28 13:46:53 lcuk May 28 13:47:08 GAN800: Makes you appreciate tmo? ;-) May 28 13:47:21 hopefully this jetlag will be gone by then ;) May 28 13:47:30 i need Mer ended and running pretty good... hellllllp hahah... May 28 13:48:15 oDuda, the best way to help is to jump in and fixup the bit that matters most to you personally May 28 13:48:34 GAN800, :S next thing you will be tellin me girls fart too May 28 13:48:42 ohnoes May 28 13:48:55 lcuk2: engaging to Mer ? i just ! May 28 13:48:56 Jaffa, at this point, I think I prefer the fecal matter. :D At least I have tools that deal with THAT effectively. ;) May 28 13:49:19 you dont have a hardware shop that sells bungs? May 28 13:49:36 2 for 1, you stop the trot and you also get inflatable ladies May 28 13:51:19 i'm trying to build portaudio19.. v18 was the version i uploaded before, but I noticed that I need v19 for the future.. May 28 13:52:18 maybe X-Fade or jeremiah_ can remember that I uploaded a newer version of asound to build it... May 28 13:52:35 andrew: thank you! (about that minimalist update) May 28 13:53:00 but after they removed it because it breaked others builds it's now in extras as broken... May 28 13:53:09 I tried to build it again but... May 28 13:53:10 http://pastebin.com/d3c74891a May 28 13:53:35 any suggestions how to fix that? May 28 13:57:27 :| May 28 14:32:22 thopiekar: You are most likely missing libs May 28 14:33:08 is libasound splitted into different packages like qt4?? May 28 14:34:48 Would I be lynched, by the way, if I was to change the soname of a library? May 28 14:39:55 AFAIU you're supposed to do that when you break binary compatibility May 28 14:40:43 debian tends to ship both old and new versions of a library in separate packages so they both can be installed, until all software using the old one is fixed to use the new one May 28 14:44:54 Thanks, I'll try and check out as to how they do it as I don't want to edit ld.conf or have a script setting a new LD_PRELOAD_PATH everytime a app using a newer library is run May 28 14:46:08 is there a precompiled kernel, that shows console output instead of the nokia logo? May 28 14:46:43 https://wiki.maemo.org/Advanced_booting May 28 14:47:25 hola May 28 14:47:55 thanks May 28 14:51:21 so jeremiah_ , qwerty12_N800.. how can I find out in which package the needed lib is? May 28 14:55:55 Liquid helium trumps liquid hydrogen at AMD's Phenom II overclocking love-in! May 28 14:56:13 Overclockers Anonymous May 28 14:56:42 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ May 28 14:56:46 AMD's Phenom II rocks on my pc, too :P May 28 15:01:11 qwerty12: could you please help me with my problem.. May 28 15:01:13 ? May 28 15:01:28 rectal itch isn't a topic we offer help on here May 28 15:01:40 Are you sure? May 28 15:01:46 lol May 28 15:01:49 no May 28 15:02:15 or is asound really too old? May 28 15:02:51 Eurgh, I don't know what possessed me to "google images" "rectal itch". Looks like Goatse has a contender... May 28 15:02:57 thopiekar: Dunno, apt-file? May 28 15:03:47 qwerty12: do you mean whether I installed it from the closed binaries? May 28 15:03:50 no May 28 15:03:54 hopefully May 28 15:03:55 :P May 28 15:04:28 so deactivating the closed bin'S and reinstall? May 28 15:11:52 * thopiekar is reinstalling libasound from http://repository.maemo.org diablo/sdk/free ... May 28 15:12:24 qwerty12: lol May 28 15:12:34 You are a glutton for punishment May 28 15:12:53 I hope you didn't click on the famous Goatse link . . . May 28 15:13:16 Not today :) May 28 15:13:38 cant click without letting go May 28 15:13:40 qwerty12: ok same here.. May 28 15:14:20 I am going to give a talk on Maemo at a conference here next fall. May 28 15:14:25 What should the title be? May 28 15:14:28 qwerty12: what can I do now? May 28 15:14:37 It is going to be a general introduction to Maemo May 28 15:14:39 Jeremiah Does a Jig May 28 15:14:50 jeremiah_: "Package or die." May 28 15:14:54 GAN800: That was last year's title. May 28 15:15:06 qwerty12: That was the year before. :/ May 28 15:15:16 Hehe May 28 15:15:24 i was told today im supposed to give a talk on saturday May 28 15:15:36 Pavlov: Oh cool! I look forward to it! May 28 15:15:39 'Screw You Losers' May 28 15:15:46 I'll be in the front row, heckling. May 28 15:15:53 Pavlov, just IRC on stage? May 28 15:15:58 Okay . . . May 28 15:16:05 thopiekar: Sounds like you're out of luck, Diablo's one is too old and you can't upgrade it or you'll break the repo. Welcome to Diablo. :) May 28 15:16:05 wait, there is a stage now? May 28 15:16:07 ;) May 28 15:16:08 My Talk will be: Maemo - Screw you losers. May 28 15:16:19 gonna demo on windows mobile May 28 15:16:21 :| May 28 15:16:24 j/k May 28 15:17:36 qwerty12: why is it so difficult to update libasound in diablo? May 28 15:17:41 I saw an tear taskbar/bookmark plugin somewere in the foruns but I can't find the package for it... does it exists, or was just my imagination? May 28 15:17:56 vhogemann: tearbookmarks, in extras-devel May 28 15:18:10 thanks! May 28 15:36:15 hi, has anyone tested the frame rate of opengl es on beagle? May 28 15:36:33 s/opengl es/open gl2 May 28 15:37:23 cu May 28 15:42:49 Ooh, my new Mac Pro is here. May 28 15:51:12 i'm using the vmware maemosdk, the scratchbox on there is pretty barebones (doesn't come with anything other than settings) May 28 15:51:26 is there a way to get a webrowser on it? May 28 15:53:03 i'm writing an application that requires doing some authentication via a webbrowser, so i need to be able to click on a link in my program and have it open a webbrowser May 28 15:56:10 eukreign3, theres a python lib that does that May 28 15:56:12 eukreign3, mechanize May 28 15:56:55 eukreign3, I use it to automate some testing task in my work projects May 28 16:00:50 Boo! Hiss! @ Tim May 28 16:03:01 'Maemo Sprints' urgh May 28 16:03:17 vhogemann: what does it automate? May 28 16:03:37 when i do: apt-cache search firefox May 28 16:03:38 nothing is returned May 28 16:03:45 what does maemo use for webbrowser? May 28 16:04:35 GAN800: Perhaps not worth making a fuss ;-) May 28 16:05:34 eukreign3, it's a browser implementation May 28 16:05:46 it handles session, cookies, forms... May 28 16:06:08 ah May 28 16:06:13 interesting May 28 16:06:59 wait, that's just an API May 28 16:07:02 i need an actual browser May 28 16:07:07 Oh May 28 16:07:08 i don't need to automate anything May 28 16:07:14 i need an actual browser to open May 28 16:07:21 and display a page to the user May 28 16:07:26 try searching for midori May 28 16:07:42 do you use the vmware maemosdk by any chance? May 28 16:07:55 i can't seem to access the internet from the scratchbox May 28 16:08:02 is that normal or is something misconfigured? May 28 16:08:10 eukreign3, is this the new one? May 28 16:08:24 yaeh, i think so, downloaded it a week ago May 28 16:08:26 the old one ive heard didnt know about internet (ive heard grumblings before about it) May 28 16:08:42 so if you do google searches im sure something will crop up May 28 16:09:19 looks like the scratch box doesn't even have ping installed :-) May 28 16:11:02 lcuk: found some stuff about dns May 28 16:11:02 Jaffa, clearly not considering the apparent result. :roll: May 28 16:11:05 will look at that May 28 16:11:45 I can't decide if I want to bother with Modest's shit quoting to respond to any email. May 28 16:15:04 lcuk: updating the resolv.conf in scratchbox fixed the connectivity issue, thanks! May 28 16:17:16 still not sure how to get the browser installed May 28 16:17:41 when i apt-cache search for browser one of the things that comes up is: tablet-browser-interface May 28 16:21:15 is it using microb? May 28 16:31:19 i installed mtasks and when i start it in scratchbox i get the banner saying "mCalendar - Loading" then the banner disappears but nothing is loaded... May 28 16:40:56 lbt: I can't make your changes work in scratchbox or on my device May 28 16:43:42 Where are the source packages in a maemo repository? May 28 16:43:50 So I've got gdb here: http://repository.maemo.org/pool/diablo/free/g/gdb/ May 28 16:44:16 And I need to get the source package. I need the old version, 6.6, though, so apt-get source is not going to get it. May 28 16:45:51 Er, 6.6 (with source) is right there. May 28 16:46:17 fiferboy: hmmm May 28 16:46:21 what's up with them? May 28 16:46:21 But anyway, apt-get install devscripts && dget -x http://repository.maemo.org/pool/diablo/free/g/gdb/gdb_6.6.dfsg-1+armel+osso1.dsc May 28 16:46:55 In scratchbox running an application against the library results in a segfault May 28 16:47:15 On the device it doesn't segfault, but the application doesn't ever initialize May 28 16:49:56 OK, I need to get a few things ready for the weekend... don't let me forget though :) May 28 16:56:38 lbt: I'll take a look at my most recently running version and walk through the changes you made May 28 16:56:49 Maybe I'll figure out where the problem is. May 28 16:59:19 anyone running the fremantle SDK in a VMWare image on Mac OS X? May 28 17:01:15 qwerty12: Which one is the source package? May 28 17:02:57 qwerty12: This one? gdb_6.6.dfsg.orig.tar.gz May 28 17:03:06 qwerty12: I guess so. May 28 17:03:18 coldboot: gdb_6.6.dfsg-1+armel+osso1.dsc, gdb_6.6.dfsg.orig.tar.gz, gdb_6.6.dfsg-1+armel+osso1.diff.gz May 28 17:04:12 The orig, being the original sources. The diff containing the modifications done by Maemo and the packaging and the dsc is a file which, if ran through dpkg-source -x, will extract the orig for you and apply the diff May 28 17:07:19 How would you link gdb against libqthreads? May 28 17:08:32 qwerty12: maemo's coreutils doesn't have md5sum May 28 17:09:19 On the device, or scratchbox? May 28 17:11:22 scratchbox May 28 17:12:20 Just took a look at canola and carman and found out about the Instituto Nokia de Tecnologia... Is anybody from there around? May 28 17:14:09 I think the Canola folks hang out in #canola. May 28 17:14:40 sjgadsby, thx May 28 17:15:25 I'm probably being a bit thick but when the documentation says add the following to sources.list "deb http://repository.maemo.org fremantle " what goes in the part? May 28 17:16:13 Try "free non-free" May 28 17:18:21 qwerty12 404 error. Trying to install python-clutter in scratchbox and failing :( May 28 17:18:31 Ah, sorry :( May 28 17:19:26 JamieBennett, i think you have to have gone to a special link, obtained a token to open up the restricted package repo list thing May 28 17:20:07 lcuk, ummm, I know I haven't done anthing of that sorts yet. Can you point me in the right direction? May 28 17:20:14 http://maemo.org/development/sdks/maemo_5-0_installation/ May 28 17:20:22 yeah :P the installation instructions May 28 17:20:42 * Accept the EULA from here to obtain the URL to access the Nokia binaries repository. May 28 17:20:43 * Add the URL thus obtained to the Scratchbox target's /etc/apt/sources.list and do the following: May 28 17:20:49 OMG May 28 17:20:58 lcuk I've installed all that. Trying to install extra's May 28 17:21:24 lcuk namely python-clutter May 28 17:21:26 lcuk: you are the liqbase god arent you? May 28 17:21:31 * chx bows deep May 28 17:21:54 ahhh JamieBennett May 28 17:21:59 lol Chx May 28 17:22:02 JamieBennett: extras-devel? "deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/ fremantle free non-free" May 28 17:22:39 * lcuk has never been called a god before May 28 17:23:54 Thanks qwerty12 ! The mail at gforge announcing the availability of the pyclutter May 28 17:24:00 package is wrong May 28 17:24:08 has the wrong link May 28 17:24:13 ooer May 28 17:27:17 chx, JamieBennett you are comin to copenhagen arent u May 28 17:27:28 -chx, May 28 17:27:47 lcuk Can't. I was scheduled to go but I had to pull out because of a work deadline I have :( May 28 17:28:18 ahhh have you tried pyclutter on desktop btw May 28 17:28:46 Why does scratchbox's coreutils not have md5sum? May 28 17:29:59 lcuk I use pyclutter with one of my other projects http://www.entertainer-project.com May 28 17:30:54 lcuk: nope. too far. May 28 17:31:33 i forgot you actually make real apps JamieBennett May 28 17:31:49 lcuk Try to ;) May 28 17:31:50 chx, where are you then (and it was an accident i asked you :P) May 28 17:31:58 as we all do May 28 17:32:52 Trying to get entertainer running in the SDK. Would make a killer app for the new tablets. May 28 17:35:30 JamieBennett-awa, just wathced the youtube vid :) very impressive May 28 17:36:34 lcuk: I am in the best place in this world: Vancouver. May 28 17:36:46 mmm skiing May 28 17:36:50 http://www.newegg.ca/Product/ShowImage.aspx?CurImage=20-220-350-03.jpg&Image=20-220-350-03.jpg&S7ImageFlag=0&WaterMark=1&Item=N82E16820220350&Depa=0&Description=Patriot%208GB%20Micro%20SDHC%20Flash%20Card will this work for the Maemo? Seems like it has a minisd adapter May 28 17:37:36 erm,not Maemo, N810 :) May 28 17:41:39 hi May 28 17:53:28 Ok could somebody tell me what makes TI73 firmware set the stack pointer to uninitialized area of RAM and do a RET? May 28 17:55:10 RST38h, mel May 28 18:02:11 Thought so May 28 18:05:15 are you sure its uninitialized May 28 18:05:29 RST38h, ^ May 28 18:21:07 lbt: Are you going to be hacking on finger scrolling this weekend? May 28 18:21:39 lcuk: yep. May 28 18:22:26 RST38h, so its just a jump into random memory? when does this occur? May 28 18:23:22 it is not a jump May 28 18:23:45 It sets SP just above the actual stack and then does a RET May 28 18:23:58 RET fetches the value from stack and transfer it to IP May 28 18:24:06 that value is 0xFFFF May 28 18:25:27 what happens next then May 28 18:25:53 Jumps to 0xffff, find 0xff there May 28 18:26:07 yeah, but is this at startup>? May 28 18:26:10 0xff corresponds to RST 38h instruction (yes, I know) May 28 18:26:11 shutdown? or just randomly May 28 18:26:15 at some point of init sequence May 28 18:26:27 So, it goes into IRQ handler at 0x0038 May 28 18:26:31 so, you get run during the init May 28 18:26:58 I get run on pretty much any external event worth interrupting the CPU May 28 18:27:23 but on actual hardware? May 28 18:27:30 on actual hardware. May 28 18:27:54 exploitable? :D May 28 18:28:03 not really May 28 18:28:30 heh, does it crash tho? May 28 18:28:31 unless irq handler has got a hook somewhere in ram May 28 18:28:48 yes, it goes into some unpredictable code sequence May 28 18:29:01 file it as a bug May 28 18:29:08 only 25years May 28 18:29:09 file it where? May 28 18:29:16 ti :) May 28 18:29:19 it is not a bug May 28 18:29:27 it is something I am doing wrong. May 28 18:29:32 but its using uninitialized memory May 28 18:29:39 lcuk: Entertainer is a great piece of software which would fit nicely with the new tablet. Python, Clutter e.t.c. Just getting the dependancies compiled in scratchbox at the moment though. May 28 18:30:05 well I have run it on their own emulator and it goes through uninitialized ram all the time May 28 18:30:13 god knows why May 28 18:31:19 pass May 28 18:31:30 that would be so cpu-crazy May 28 18:31:43 wouldnt it? May 28 18:32:25 is there scratchbox for mac? i think its about time i try it out lol May 28 18:33:13 zakkm: I'm running scratchbox under VMWare now with a new iMac May 28 18:33:43 heh im going the oldd hackintosh approach, and my cpu doesnt have hardware virtualization May 28 18:33:53 which is going to suck, its still very fast though May 28 18:33:57 thats the only way? May 28 18:34:14 zakkm: yes May 28 18:34:26 sucks, why dont you use parallels? May 28 18:34:34 it beats vmware fusion.. the newest versions of each May 28 18:35:00 just have a copy of vmware, no particular reason May 28 18:35:00 If it's a hackintosh, why not just install Linux on another partition? May 28 18:37:17 damn, 7 python- dependancies that are currently not in extra's. Really didn't want to go down the packaging route, in fact I have no idea how to package for maemo :( May 28 18:38:47 qwerty12_N800: cause i dont like to leave mac thats why :) i love it too much May 28 18:39:02 i have it just the way i like, i skin alott May 28 18:40:08 zakkm: I like Mac OS X. I have a 24" iMac here and a 13" Linux laptop. Guess which I like to use more and not because of the OS. May 28 18:40:40 Heh, my only Mac encounter was with one that only used one button on the mouse. Brought my frustration levels right up. May 28 18:41:26 qwerty12_N800: Using the very same mouse now :) Surprising how little you use the right mouse button! May 28 18:41:27 qwerty12_N800: yeah it frustrates my friend too, you hold ctrl and click and it right click, but oddly you never use it on mac as much as windows, just the way the ui is May 28 18:41:48 qwerty12_N800: most people just plug in a normal PC mouse though.. and you have left and right click May 28 18:42:25 i have a very nice logitech G5 mouse i got for $25 May 28 18:42:44 zakkm: prefer the mighty mouse myself May 28 18:42:49 ah not G5 .. mx510 May 28 18:42:57 http://www.techexcess.net/images/products/other/Logitech-MX510-mouse_medium.jpg May 28 18:43:04 Ah, thanks :) May 28 18:43:27 JamieBennett: i do too, but i didnt buy a real mac, so i dont really have a choice, and mighty mouses are expensive May 28 18:43:34 i want one though, same with apple keyboard May 28 18:44:00 zakkm: That they are. A keyboard and mouse combo will set you back £60 here in the UK :( May 28 18:44:10 yeah its similar here May 28 18:44:23 live in Toronto, canada but family and such is all UK May 28 18:44:41 Love the keyboard though, got 3. One at home, one at work and the new small one for travelling. May 28 18:44:57 zakkm: I'm woking in Burlington right now May 28 18:45:03 if you get the bluetooth one.. it makes a good keyboard for the nokia May 28 18:45:13 JamieBennett: the apple bluetooth one connects very well / works well May 28 18:45:26 fiferboy_n810: very nice, my dad used to work there yearss ago May 28 18:45:39 Hi fiferboy_n810 :) May 28 18:45:48 Hey Faheem May 28 18:45:57 fiferboy_n810: do you live there? May 28 18:45:59 JamieBennett, my summit technical glitch was caused by a rogue apple kb May 28 18:46:15 zakkm: I live in Hamilton May 28 18:46:36 lcuk: arent they amazing :) May 28 18:46:55 yeah until the enter key is pressed in my bag @/ May 28 18:47:00 fiferboy_n810: cool, have some friends there May 28 18:48:05 zakkm: My brother lives in Toronto, and I used to work there May 28 18:48:29 fiferboy_n810: heh, you woudnt happen to want to trade your n810 for a n800+f-fadapter + cash , would you? May 28 18:48:41 fully working perfect nokia of course May 28 18:48:55 even comes with the newest liqbase on it hahh :) May 28 18:48:59 i will, if the amount of cash is right May 28 18:49:09 and its not the newest :P May 28 18:49:12 zakkm: Not looking to sell yet, sorry. Maybe when a nice maemo5 device is out... May 28 18:49:23 so mad i got the n800 :( May 28 18:49:39 why May 28 18:49:45 i hate onscreen keyboards May 28 18:49:53 it drives me crazy like some OCD May 28 18:49:55 lcuk: I'm sure you'll get a developer device May 28 18:49:56 zakkm: I almost got the N800 when I was buying, but wanted GPS May 28 18:50:09 i thought the GPS on it sucked? May 28 18:50:30 we can only hope May 28 18:50:31 It does, but I didn't know that May 28 18:50:37 fiferboy_n810: before or after you found out the GPS was useless? :) May 28 18:50:42 ah May 28 18:51:06 :D May 28 18:51:08 heh May 28 18:51:27 thats why the n800 isnt that much worse *tries to convince fiferboy May 28 18:52:17 I had a Zaurus C1000 before, so I am used to small HW keyboards May 28 18:52:31 I don't think I could go to OSKB only May 28 18:52:39 heh May 28 18:52:49 i think the form factor of n810 looks so much better too May 28 18:53:05 im in highskool and i cant seem to beat the ppl with ipods ;p May 28 18:53:37 I thought they frowned on highschool beatings here... May 28 18:54:04 heh not beatings.just i bring out my nokia and do some stuff and ppl are like eww slow eww that looks ugly ;p May 28 18:54:31 the n800 does look ugly:P theres a whole forum topic on it :P May 28 18:55:10 zakkm: the n800 isn't ugly it just needs a refresh May 28 18:55:15 ;) May 28 18:55:45 compared to ipods and n810 i think it looks really ugly May 28 18:55:51 and isnt Mac osx awesome? May 28 18:55:57 you excited for wwdc? May 28 18:56:40 zakkm: Only because my phone contract is up soon and I want the new iphone May 28 18:56:49 heh May 28 18:56:53 snow leopard gets shown? May 28 18:56:58 mac 10.6 ? May 28 18:57:03 10 days :) May 28 18:57:23 I'm hoping they show the new iphone, not really interested in snow leopard May 28 18:57:31 whatt! May 28 18:57:37 snow leopard is going to be nicee and fast May 28 18:57:42 going to have zfs support May 28 18:57:53 finder is finally going to be cocoa May 28 18:57:59 more bells and whistles and nothing to shout about is my guess May 28 18:58:05 n800 look is awesome May 28 18:58:07 bells and whistles? May 28 18:58:14 im talking about programming stuff May 28 18:58:21 one of my favorite devices ever May 28 18:58:27 new filesystems, finder is going to be cocoa May 28 18:58:32 thats not UI/graphical stuff May 28 18:58:40 Hey wazd May 28 18:58:44 thats behind-the-scenes stuff May 28 18:59:18 If only they have reoved that camera and hump May 28 18:59:25 fiferboy_n810: heya May 28 18:59:39 heh i never use the camera May 28 18:59:40 From what I understand there isn't much going on with snow leopard apart from a lot of code consolidation and a litte UI reworking. Obviously there is the GPU optimizations which will be big but apart form that, meh! May 28 19:00:32 My N800 has a better LED mod (>.<): http://freefile.kristopherw.us/uploads/qwerty12/dsc00007.jpg May 28 19:00:41 I'm finding all Apple stuff a bit boring. That minimalistic stuff really got annoying in past 3 or 4 years May 28 19:00:52 the UI isnt changing at all too much, nice new quicktime version and itunes and such but not much more.. Finder is gonig cocoa so it will be nicer, faster, stable.. the whole gpu stuff w.e ... going to have zfs support instead/as well as the normal old hfs+ .. and zfs is wayyyy faster than hfs+ ... hfs+ is slower than ntfs -.- May 28 19:01:27 qwerty12_N800: is that titanium theme? May 28 19:01:34 yer May 28 19:01:49 there should be more themes heh May 28 19:01:57 i started to use echowb May 28 19:02:26 zakkm: ntfs was spawned from the vaginas of banished demons and should have been strangled at birth. May 28 19:02:35 to put it politely May 28 19:02:36 heh May 28 19:02:41 and hfs+ , the mac one now.. is worse May 28 19:02:45 I like the Titan theme! May 28 19:03:02 thats why zfs in snow leopard is gonig to be amazing , nice and fast too May 28 19:03:33 umm, how do I sudo in scratchbox? May 28 19:03:39 fakeroot May 28 19:04:16 Everyone knows FAT32 owns, with its 4GB file limit and all... May 28 19:04:35 FAT32!! May 28 19:05:16 qwerty12_N800 is there some magic document that I should be reading as a new user to the fremantle SDK and wanting to package some programs. Just trying to install python-pysqlite and it all goes well until the install when it complains about permissions. May 28 19:05:25 qwerty12_N800: its 2GB isnt it? May 28 19:05:42 zakkm: 4gb - ran into it recently :) May 28 19:05:49 4gb minus 1 byte May 28 19:05:51 why would youhave fat32 :P May 28 19:06:10 everybody knows to run xfs :D May 28 19:06:15 qwerty, did you just get an HD bigger than 4GB? May 28 19:06:25 I-ve had one for almost a year now May 28 19:06:53 JamieBennett: Hmm, edit the setup.py (or equivalent to run 'python2.5' explicitly - instead of 'python' (which runs scratchbox's internal python) May 28 19:07:22 fiferboy_n810: lol, no :p May 28 19:07:41 Oh, well I'm sure you'll get one soon May 28 19:07:52 Use a 200GB (small by today's standards, I know) HD with NTFS :/ May 28 19:08:03 FAT16 owns May 28 19:08:50 qwerty12_N800: I don't think its that. Getting the error "error: could not create '/scratchbox/tools/lib/python2.3/site-packages/pysqlite2': Permission denied!" May 28 19:09:10 qwerty12_N800: Wow, got 6TB here and I need more May 28 19:09:28 * zakkm has a 640gb sata harddrive internal May 28 19:09:47 need more than 6TB, what do you store on that thing.. May 28 19:10:33 zakkm: I do a lot of view editing May 28 19:10:43 video that should of been May 28 19:10:47 JamieBennett: it's that. :) - scratchbox's 'python' wants its python libraries installed there which is pointless for the Maemo SDK as the Maemo python2.5 gets its libs from /usr/lib/python2.5 May 28 19:11:14 JamieBennett: Heh, 6TB. I'm jealous :\ May 28 19:11:31 JamieBennett: finalcut ? May 28 19:11:42 qwerty, I'm with you - 250GB May 28 19:11:45 zakkm: I'm happy with imove08 May 28 19:12:03 not '09 ? May 28 19:12:16 fiferboy_n810: hope so.... Qt this weekend that is May 28 19:12:29 6Tb... paff... May 28 19:12:36 qwerty12_N800: If that is the case then a quick search of the setup.py file shows no reference ot 'python' May 28 19:12:47 lbt: Do you know if Antonio will be there? May 28 19:12:47 zakkm: sorry I meant 09 May 28 19:12:58 its good enough? May 28 19:12:59 I don't think he'll make it May 28 19:13:19 JamieBennett: Hmm, how are you trying to install/build it? May 28 19:13:21 Quim suggested there'd be a Qt presence though May 28 19:13:25 zakkm: Its great. May 28 19:13:53 qwerty12_N800: python setup.py install May 28 19:14:09 lbt: I was thinking about the setOvershootValue function May 28 19:14:22 JamieBennett: Try invoking it as: python2.5 setup.py install May 28 19:14:23 yeah, pretty isn't it May 28 19:14:35 The behaviour is most likely undefined when removing the bound checks May 28 19:14:50 we need a better solution... but that can interface to it I hope May 28 19:14:56 qwerty12_N800: Build goes fine May 28 19:14:58 ideally widgets will overrride that May 28 19:15:01 It's a good proof-of-concept though May 28 19:15:09 IIRC that means it should be virtual May 28 19:17:13 JamieBennett: if you run the program you wanted, with 'python2.5, it should start now May 28 19:17:18 lbt: Do you remember what other requirements Antonio had for accepting the patches? May 28 19:17:44 qwerty12_N800: Lots of other errors, no such files, lots of python errors. May 28 19:18:04 * JamieBennett goes to try python2.5 on the build May 28 19:18:08 :/ May 28 19:20:00 fiferboy_n810: May 28 19:20:01 1. sometime the scrolling bars don't works fine May 28 19:20:02 2. scrolling for pixel instead that for item in every widget (temporary workaround) May 28 19:20:04 3. maxiumum scrolling acelleration. (ensure a good animation for big deltas) May 28 19:20:44 nope, doesn't work. What is wrong with python under the SDK? First error from a 'python2.5 setup.py build' is "src/connection.h:26:20: error: Python.h: No such file or directory" May 28 19:21:06 Check if python2.5-dev is installed May 28 19:21:52 lbt: 1 and 3 are done, so we just have to convince him we don't need 2 :) May 28 19:22:02 :) May 28 19:22:11 actually an old Qt had a hack to do that... May 28 19:22:26 should be somewhere in the svn history May 28 19:22:32 qwerty12_N800: Worked. Surely this is documented somewhere? May 28 19:22:37 * JamieBennett hopes May 28 19:22:44 bounded by #ifdef hildon May 28 19:22:52 if you felt like looking... May 28 19:23:10 I'm in favour of reusing solutions May 28 19:23:32 I'll take a look. Any hints on how to find it? May 28 19:23:39 JamieBennett: No idea, I'm just working on stuff I remember by looking at the packaging of python bindings in extras :) May 28 19:24:19 lbt: Was the code for Qt Extended? May 28 19:24:28 no May 28 19:24:30 qwerty12_N800: I feel a blog post coming on when this is all finished! May 28 19:24:34 same file IIRC May 28 19:24:39 qabstractscrollarea May 28 19:24:39 hehe May 28 19:24:48 or maybe q-a-slider May 28 19:25:48 when i ran the Application Manager in the SDK it couldn't find /usr/bin/fakeroot May 28 19:25:52 is that normal? May 28 19:26:19 qwerty12_N800: going to bug you some more as you are all knowledgeable, I now have an installed python-pysqlite, how do I push that to extras so I don't have to do this again? Pointers? May 28 19:26:24 i had to make a symlink to /scratchbox/tools/bin/fakeroot May 28 19:26:34 * lbt barfs May 28 19:27:36 it also can't find dpkg-preconfigure May 28 19:28:06 and still can't find a browser to install May 28 19:28:19 there is nothing for microb in the repository for diablo May 28 19:28:37 How would you compile gdb in scratchbox 2 such that it's linked into libqthreads? May 28 19:29:06 i am looking for a news ticker that scrolls horizontaly form my n810. any idea if one exists? May 28 19:29:11 JamieBennett: Hmm, I usually take Debian's source package and modify as needed (run python2.5 etc) May 28 19:30:59 eukreign3: MicroB (or, rather, the UI) is only allowed to be used on the device - Diablo's browser-ui is not free May 28 19:33:01 qwerty12_N800: So how do you go from tarball to something pushable to extras? Its all a little confusing even for someone who was programming commercial solutions on a z80 processor 15 years ago! May 28 19:33:31 i still can't believe a ti84+ with a z80 costs up to 150$ May 28 19:33:58 Stskeeps: I have fond memories of the z80 May 28 19:35:09 doesn't the ti84+ actually emulate a z80? May 28 19:35:18 on some rather fast ARM? May 28 19:35:34 so it can run Mer, you say? May 28 19:35:35 ;) May 28 19:35:40 *g* May 28 19:35:52 aquatix: you are thinking about the new HP's May 28 19:35:59 more that i heard about custom firmware (non-Mer ;) ) that makes use of the full speed May 28 19:36:00 aquatix: which emulate the old HP Saturn CPU's on ARM May 28 19:36:04 locutus: ah right May 28 19:36:06 indeed May 28 19:36:54 ok.. Is the ruby-maemo project still alive? How do I get ruby on my n810 with gtk support May 28 19:38:48 ... and Nokia wonder why they don't have more varied apps. I have an app that has some dependancies that extra's doesn't satisfy so I think, thats OK, I'll compile the dependancies and upload them. All the wiki pages on w.m.o tell me zero and the only kind of relevant on links to a rather large .pdf. Is there no simple way? May 28 19:38:52 qwerty12_N800: that's good to know! is there a work around? i have a program that needs to open up a browser and i just want to make sure this works May 28 19:39:06 lbt: I would think it is in QAbstractItemMode, as QAbstractScrollArea only scrolls by pixel May 28 19:39:13 JamieBennett: my presentation for this weekend says "To a traditional open source developer, developing for Maemo is a headache." May 28 19:39:16 :P May 28 19:39:20 or, "can be a headache" May 28 19:39:36 JamieBennett: heh, the fun of packaging Python libraries :). I'd take debian's source package for it (run: apt-get install devscripts && dget -x http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/p/python-pysqlite2/python-pysqlite2_2.5.5-1.dsc and you'll have it extracted with a debian folder - which the packaging programs use to follow rules into making it a deb), make required modifications (install libraries to /usr/lib/python2.5 etc) an May 28 19:39:36 d upload: http://wiki.maemo.org/Uploading_to_Extras May 28 19:40:18 Stskeeps: throw in a reference to a embedded developer of 15 years, Linux user for 13 years, getting confused with how to develop for maemo! May 28 19:40:36 eukreign3: I've never attempted to install the browser into MicroB but why not just try your program on a device :) May 28 19:40:47 s/MicroB/SDK/ May 28 19:40:48 qwerty12_N800 meant: eukreign3: I've never attempted to install the browser into SDK but why not just try your program on a device :) May 28 19:40:53 qwerty12_N800: i don't have a dvice yet :-( May 28 19:41:08 can't afford it, was hoping to write an app, maybe get some donations and buy one :-) May 28 19:42:44 i've written quite a few gtk apps in the past and know python very well, so figured this shouldn't be too difficult, so far it hasn't, except for the part where the scratchbox comes with now standard apps (no terminal, browser, etc) May 28 19:43:05 eukreign3: ah :/, how are you calling the browser? Giving your url as an argument, with --url, to 'browser' works or sending the browser with a dbus message of 'open_new_window' and a dbus string of your url work May 28 19:43:28 Is there another channel for the n810 where I could get some newbie help? May 28 19:44:18 qwerty12_N800: which is the best way? calling it on the command line or via dbus? May 28 19:44:28 if i call the command line how do i know what the command is? May 28 19:44:34 people might have different browsers installed May 28 19:44:46 is there a standard way to ask maemo to open a url? May 28 19:45:04 quit May 28 19:45:09 eukreign3: You should be able to install a terminal, run apt-get source osso-xterm; apt-get build-dep osso-xterm (cd to its folder) and do a dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot and install the produced the deb May 28 19:45:34 will try it, thanks May 28 19:46:27 eukreign3: Maemo doesn't really have a concept of different browsers, most programs are hardcoded to open the default May 28 19:46:45 I'll find an example of opening it with DBus May 28 19:47:00 default being MicroB May 28 19:47:01 hm, is there some way to hardcode apps to start Tear? May 28 19:47:07 instead May 28 19:47:09 when "open link" May 28 19:47:21 You register the mime type, right? May 28 19:47:22 i get angry when the normal browser starts at the moment .. :P May 28 19:47:34 sorry qwerty12_N800 for monopolizing you but for this particular package the only difference is you have to run python2.5 rather than python at the command line. Would you just edit the README to show that? May 28 19:49:25 JamieBennett: don't apologise :), You'd probably want to edit debian/rules to run python2.5 when running setup.py May 28 19:50:15 There's other things but I kinda need to be on a computer with a proper keyboard to answer in much more detail >.< May 28 19:53:16 Stskeeps: Tear's a little funky regarding that... Calling it via DBus only works when it has a window open and when it's not runnung, you need to give the url as an argument to 'tear' May 28 19:53:54 i got the x-term built and install and it's running in scratchbox... but the enter key on my keyboard doesn't work :-( May 28 19:54:03 tear also crashes when using python-dbus to run it... May 28 19:54:37 eukreign3: try the small enter May 28 19:54:50 i can use the on screen keyboard though to press enter so i guess it's ok May 28 19:55:31 qwert12_N800: the plot thickens. The script uses a pyversion -r to figure out the python version, only problem is that if I do a pyversion -r in scratchbox is says pyversions: error parsing Python-Version attribute May 28 19:56:47 JamieBennett: I hardcode that variable to 2.5 as I don't think Diablo (the only Maemo in which I've adapted packaging for) will ever see anything higher May 28 19:57:54 qwerty12_N800: hard coding 2.5 as the variable then. I will blog about this afterwards, promise ;) May 28 19:59:07 is there a maemo emulator? May 28 19:59:16 next problem with the build as per the wiki page: dpkg-genchanges: warning: unknown information field `Xb-Python-Version' in input data in package's section of control info file May 28 20:00:34 that relates to pyversions, it doesn't do any harm to leave it in the control file but it provides no benefit (in this case) May 28 20:02:52 so which part of the control file do I need to lance? May 28 20:04:05 Xb-Python-Version should be listed in the topp section of debian/control May 28 20:05:35 Thats the first thing I did, search for Xb but its not there. Top half of the file Source: python-pysqlite2 May 28 20:05:38 Section: python May 28 20:05:38 Priority: optional May 28 20:05:38 Maintainer: Joel Rosdahl May 28 20:05:38 Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 7.0.0), python-all-dev (>= 2.3.5-11), python-all-dbg, python-central (>= 0.5.6), libsqlite3-dev (>= 3.3.8), python-sphinx (>= 0.4.2) May 28 20:05:38 XS-Python-Version: all May 28 20:05:40 qwerty12_N800: would this: http://browser.garage.maemo.org/news/ new version of microb work in the scratchbox? May 28 20:05:40 Standards-Version: 3.8.1 May 28 20:05:49 says there is a download for x86 May 28 20:06:45 JamieBennett: 'XS-Python-Version: all' is probably the line you're looking for May 28 20:06:56 cjidudfuucucufididifkfoigiohi i igifiufuvbnjj gvgtu uuhuihu ufdctcgxdhg gh hyddydycu ufycyfuyfyvy y yfyfyfyvy yvyfyfyfyfyfyfyffjifjrfjdgdgc May 28 20:07:06 lcuk :D May 28 20:07:12 eukreign3: Most likely not as it's for an older version of Maemo May 28 20:08:16 hmmm... May 28 20:08:25 so, what does Diablo use? May 28 20:08:41 damn jacob May 28 20:10:00 lcuk: you been watching lost? May 28 20:12:07 qwerty12_N800: got segmentation fault when i tried running it May 28 20:12:15 Maemo Packaging: Kill Yourself with Software May 28 20:12:36 Here's the new plan, I write titles, you guys put together software. May 28 20:12:43 qwert12_N800: what do you think XS-Python-Version should be? 2.5 or Python2.5? Either way I get another error, dpkg-genchanges: warning: unknown information field `Xb-Python-Version' in input data in package's section of control info file May 28 20:12:43 dpkg-genchanges: warning: unknown information field `Xb-Python-Version' in input data in package's section of control info file May 28 20:12:46 s/software/talks/ May 28 20:12:46 GAN800 meant: Here's the new plan, I write titles, you guys put together talks. May 28 20:13:19 lol May 28 20:13:34 eukreign3: I open the browser using something like this: http://pastebin.com/f6971aa56 (excuse the shitness of that example) May 28 20:13:59 Yeah, ' should be " >.< May 28 20:14:29 JamieBennett: it can be removed May 28 20:15:38 qwerty12_N800 OK removed, just get a signing error which I presume I can ignore? May 28 20:16:25 Yeah, you don't need to sign anymore (huzzah!) to upload to extras May 28 20:17:40 OK it seems the admins need to grant me access to upload first. Thank for all your help qwert12_N800 May 28 20:17:59 qwerty12_N800: thanks, now i just have to figure out how to do that in Python :-) May 28 20:18:10 OK it seems the admins need to grant me access to upload first. Thank for all your help qwerty12_N800 (spell it right this time ;)) May 28 20:18:56 qwerty12_N800: what about Fennec? would that work in the scratchbox? May 28 20:19:25 JamieBennett: heh, no problem May 28 20:19:48 'admins', i.e., X-Fade May 28 20:20:17 eukreign3: shouldn't be hard to pythonize that, there's python-osso examples, using RPC, on the PyMaemo page May 28 20:20:47 qwerty12_N800: i found this: http://pymaemo.garage.maemo.org/documentation/python_osso_examples/code/mime/osso_test_mime_open.py May 28 20:21:00 that asks osso to open file based on mime type May 28 20:21:06 do you think if i pass it the URL it will know what to do? May 28 20:21:06 eukreign3: probably, I just wouldn't assume that everyone would have it installed on the device :) May 28 20:21:22 no really, appreciate all the help, I really would not of bothered if it wasn't for your help and as a developer myself I find this a real big barrier for development entry. May 28 20:22:22 *nod* :) May 28 20:22:53 Under "Debugging issues with Scratchbox-2" in this guide: http://maemo-sdk.garage.maemo.org/sdk-plus-debugging-guide.html -- it says that you have to link gdb to the threading library that your program uses. I'm trying to debug a Qt program, which uses pthreads. How do I link gdb in with pthreads? May 28 20:23:34 I've already tried manually editing the Makefile for the Maemo-patched gdb version, adding -lpthread to the gcc parameters, then installed it, and I still don't have gdb making breakpoints properly. May 28 20:23:51 How do you debug a Qt application in scratchbox 2? May 28 20:23:57 eukreign3: that seems a little different to what that C does, but that osso.Context is the equivalent of osso_initalize in that C. Lemne see if I can figure it out :) May 28 20:24:19 * jamiebennett waits for upload approval by going to watch some TV shoes I've missed the past week May 28 20:24:41 The Maemo wiki has no information on debugging a Qt application in scratchbox, see here: http://wiki.maemo.org/Qt4Hildon#Debugging_a_Qt_application May 28 20:34:17 Is there a way to install a shell that isn't crap on the nokia so CTRL+R command history lookup works? May 28 20:40:40 eukreign3: bah, python and its bloody tuples. I modified an example and got this: http://pastebin.com/f69e5d51c - it works fine to open the browser with an designated site May 28 20:41:46 awesome! thanks May 28 20:53:29 okay, so i'm trying to get fennec May 28 20:54:10 apt-get is fetching ../release/binary-i386/Packages.gz instead of ../release/binary-x86/Packages.gz May 28 20:54:21 is there anyway to get apt to use the correct binary May 28 20:56:04 nm, that directory is empty anyways May 28 21:07:40 Threadcrapping indeed May 28 21:08:38 * Stskeeps wonders if the rebate programme will give some interesting proposals. May 28 21:15:20 couldn't get fennec to work, giving up May 28 21:15:34 it needed libgpsbt which i didn't have and can't seem to find anywhere May 28 21:16:22 Did you choose to install the closed nokia binaries during install? May 28 21:31:49 qwerty12_N800: i'm using the vmware maemo sdk May 28 21:31:54 so i didn't have to install anything May 28 21:32:16 is it possible that some things are missing from that? May 28 21:32:35 the whole point of using the vmware image is so that everything is already correctly preconfigured... May 28 21:32:40 or so they claim :-D May 28 21:33:21 IIRC, the vmware image has a script on the desktop which'll install the things that cannot be redistributed with the image legally May 28 21:33:31 oooh May 28 21:33:58 there are no scripts on the desktop other than the ESBox icon May 28 21:35:13 Hmm, been a long while since I last used it. Read 2.4 of: http://repository.maemo.org/stable/diablo/INSTALL.txt May 28 21:40:47 jamiebennett, X-Fade wont be back on 'til tomorrow. May 28 21:42:49 re May 28 21:44:24 qwerty12_N800: doing that now, thanks for the tip May 28 21:44:31 it's installing 77 new pacakges May 28 21:44:33 hmm, hows the performance of the internal sd on n810 compared to a random class6? May 28 21:44:38 including the ones i couldn't find :-) May 28 21:44:46 just wondering whether i should clone onto internal or a separate :| May 28 21:51:09 yippy!!! May 28 21:51:12 i have fennec running in the sdk May 28 21:55:08 the /usr/bin/fakeroot is missing in the ARMEL target as well May 28 21:55:16 am i the only one who has the this problem? May 28 21:58:46 also, can't install anything through the Application manager May 28 21:58:52 works fine through apt-get May 28 23:35:46 a master of pigin faq here? May 28 23:35:54 *pidgin May 28 23:52:16 I've seen there is no sshfs for Maemo. How should I mount a remote partition/folder in Maemo? May 28 23:53:17 nfs ? May 28 23:53:21 Your eyes decieve you then. ;) FUSE and sshfs are in Extras May 28 23:54:51 qwerty12_N800: I thought I had extras set. How can I enable it? May 28 23:57:21 ~seen b-man16 May 28 23:57:23 b-man16 was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 22h 20m 20s ago, saying: 'hello, penguinbait :)'. May 28 23:57:34 KurtKraut: I think it's a package that does not show up in the application manager by default - you'll have to apt-get install sshfs May 28 23:57:45 22 hours :p May 28 23:59:11 qwerty12_N800: that worked. Thanks. May 29 01:05:06 is there any hope for an RTM client for maemo? May 29 01:05:22 Zutun doesnt work and so does Doneit May 29 01:05:41 and theres a canola plugin from what I hear but thats months away I bet May 29 01:07:21 is maemo dying? May 29 01:20:14 hello May 29 01:20:52 so, i'm working on my user interface and just when i thought i was done i realized that when you click on an entry box the whole thing gets squished because of the onscreen keyboard the pops up May 29 01:21:21 is there anyway to disable the onscreen keyboard or is there a best practice for how to handle squishing your app when it comes up May 29 01:21:47 eukreign3: its done by a command May 29 01:22:00 i guess i can put my form in a scrolledwindow... May 29 01:22:05 you cant really block it, you can make stylus one come up May 29 01:22:16 or you can rewrite the box spot May 29 01:22:20 like coding May 29 01:22:23 okay, so i have to compensate for it May 29 01:22:32 there should be an alternate command May 29 01:22:47 well, i think i'm just going to stick my form into a scrolledwindow May 29 01:22:55 ive never coded so unfortunately i cant help you, but there should be another uhh coding line you can replace with, and it wont come up May 29 01:23:26 i have 7 inputs stacked ontop of each other, looks fine until you click into an input, then they get squished because they don't fit May 29 02:20:11 doctors still use maggots to pull dead flesh off of people May 29 02:20:22 no wai May 29 02:20:46 those wacky maggots and their need to feed on dead flesh May 29 02:21:03 s/maggots/zombies May 29 02:21:31 naw. zombies eat live brains May 29 02:21:57 wow Germans were nuts May 29 02:22:03 well all the zombie attacks in the news lately i havent heard of any brain noms May 29 02:22:07 mostly arms and legs May 29 02:23:09 still watching the documentary about auschwitz May 29 02:23:18 :) i'm on part 10 May 29 02:23:53 do they cover the telekenesis projects and all the other mind warfare crap? May 29 02:24:21 no. it's more a sympathy documentary . they only showed the tests in twis May 29 02:24:23 twins May 29 02:24:48 where the doctors would inject disease into twins and wait for one to die then murder the other one at the same time to compare them May 29 02:25:11 only mindfucked people do things like that May 29 02:25:31 Macer, works really well as they only eat the necrotic flesh. May 29 02:26:05 well. hopefully i never get gangrene May 29 02:26:33 wow. the mossad went to south america and found the death camp people that ran away to south america May 29 02:27:18 * GAN8001 wishes he had some honey. May 29 02:28:24 telekinesis is real , what you guys on about :) May 29 02:28:51 well. wonder what that would mean for a telekenetic jew in auschwitz May 29 02:29:15 my family is jewish, from the UK too May 29 02:29:30 ive gone atheist, but yeah May 29 02:29:55 britan police officers deported jews to the nazis from the british isles May 29 02:30:15 you guys believe in telekinesis? May 29 02:30:18 the french did too. May 29 02:58:17 ~seen xnt14 May 29 02:58:20 xnt14 was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 3h 35s ago, saying: '22 hours :p'. May 29 02:58:37 heh May 29 02:59:48 * b-man16 pokes xnt14 on twitter **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri May 29 02:59:57 2009