**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat May 30 02:59:57 2009 May 30 03:00:21 a 3100 might actually do better than my c1000 May 30 03:00:32 johnx: hows the danish weekend going? May 30 03:00:32 I/O to the internal CF should be faster than I/O to SD May 30 03:01:04 good good, got in yesterday afternoon and did some site seeing, today it's down to work though :) May 30 03:01:06 processor's the same though.. But it's a real HD. May 30 03:01:07 * johnx makes coffee May 30 03:01:20 yes, the SD is really slow on the Z May 30 03:01:43 johnx, have you seen lcuk yet? May 30 03:01:57 wjs_ltop: nope, processor in the Zaurus cxx00 is an armv5te with no FPU and the processor in the n8x0 is an armv6e with vector floating point May 30 03:02:14 z4chh: yup May 30 03:02:19 no, I meant between the 1000 and the 3100.. May 30 03:02:39 z4chh he's a floor above me :) May 30 03:02:41 comparing Z to Z ? May 30 03:02:48 wjs_ltop: nope, you're right May 30 03:02:56 thought you were saying Z vs N :) May 30 03:03:20 johnx, can you tell him to his face "zach be a work'in hard why mastah is gone" ;p May 30 03:03:34 nice to see that rtorrent can move stuff to a "complete" dir :) May 30 03:03:40 i remmeber that being a problem May 30 03:05:10 z4chh: ahaha, ok May 30 03:05:39 johnx, he'll get a kick out of it...might start a convo...im his gsoc student May 30 03:05:56 ah, right. :) forgot about that May 30 03:06:13 talked to him a couple times already about mapping in liqbase May 30 03:06:18 he does the best demos :) May 30 03:06:36 indeed May 30 03:06:47 wtf May 30 03:06:55 unrar doesn't seem to be working right May 30 03:07:24 er, it has weird command line switches May 30 03:07:24 rar uncompressed it but unrar doesn't May 30 03:07:27 wtf is going on :) May 30 03:07:32 for extraction? May 30 03:07:34 it's like unrar x file.rar May 30 03:07:38 shouldn't it be like unrar x May 30 03:07:48 yeah.. that's what it is :) rar works but unrar gives me an error May 30 03:07:50 well, then I guess unrar is broken :) May 30 03:07:55 yah May 30 03:07:56 i think so May 30 03:08:07 maybe can just replace the bin with rar since the flags are about the same for uncompressing May 30 03:12:20 i replaced unrar-free with unrar May 30 03:26:33 it was the unrar-free May 30 03:26:36 just goes to show :) May 30 03:26:57 folks, moblin kicks a moderate amount of ass May 30 03:27:02 even if it is a ram-hungry monster May 30 03:28:31 too bad intel went away from the MID part of moblin long ago May 30 03:29:16 yeah May 30 03:29:25 the interface is okay if you're a mousey type May 30 03:29:38 they preinstall all the pimlico-project apps :V May 30 03:30:20 exactly, it went from an MID interface to a netbook interface May 30 03:30:32 as a netbook interface it actually looks pretty darn nice :) May 30 03:31:17 yeah May 30 03:31:24 I'm not really a mouse guy, so it's not for me May 30 03:31:28 but it's highly polished May 30 03:31:42 cool to see them actually finish something May 30 03:31:44 shame they based so much of it on gnome, though May 30 03:31:49 also nice to see them working with nokia on pfono May 30 03:32:04 yeah I'm all frightened and confused by intel these days May 30 03:32:19 I want to hate them because I remember when they were evil, but they seem to be trying hard these days May 30 03:32:43 as long as intel doesnt pull an ibm i wont be too scared May 30 03:33:00 remember when they were evil? May 30 03:33:02 they still are May 30 03:33:14 they just got hosed in the EU for paying companies to not use amd May 30 03:33:24 and they are still in court over the same thing here May 30 03:33:48 ncie May 30 03:33:53 What's Intel rumored to be up to now? May 30 03:34:06 yeah, I know, but at least they're churning out code these days May 30 03:34:26 which is more than amd has ever done May 30 03:34:28 paying vendors not to use or sell competitors chips May 30 03:34:43 kfx: well, they have radeon drivers that are open source at least May 30 03:34:53 somewhat May 30 03:34:57 yeah, all the ati stuff is being worked on May 30 03:34:58 acydlord: Oh that, that's old news... at least they're being held accountable. May 30 03:35:14 not to mention for about 5 years there intel was building their procs off of amd whitepapers May 30 03:35:21 acydlord: yeah, I'm waiting for equal performance to the windows drivers before I jump on an ATi chip again May 30 03:35:32 intel video drivers are fabulous May 30 03:35:43 so are nvidia drivers May 30 03:35:49 yeah, but intel video cards are crap May 30 03:36:00 and in nvidia's case the drivers are attached to fast, cheap cards May 30 03:36:09 not hard to make a driver work well for a vid card that will do 64mb max May 30 03:36:34 nvidia drivers give me a lot of problems May 30 03:36:44 primarily multimonitor/xrandr support May 30 03:36:52 yeah, i quit bothering with nvidia drivers awhile back May 30 03:36:52 intel opensources there drivers for linux May 30 03:36:56 you cant get better than that ;p May 30 03:37:03 acydlord, yeah, be nice if they fixed that one of these years May 30 03:37:05 especially when they hosed the whole stack for vista and linux around the same time May 30 03:38:00 my last desktop was amd and nvidia May 30 03:38:04 not getting burned again May 30 03:38:07 at least nvidia has tesla going for it May 30 03:38:14 currently intel and nvidia, but my next video card will be intel May 30 03:38:29 I don't game so I don't need ricer stuff, but I'll give money to companies who use FOSS May 30 03:38:48 my next x86 machine will be a laptop so it'll be intel/intel for me May 30 03:39:15 but last time I played with it, intel stuff had some amount of trouble with compiz compared to nvidia cards May 30 03:39:16 I just spent $53k on a cluster from dell that'll be shipping with centos May 30 03:39:26 well, on behalf of my employer I spent that :V May 30 03:39:29 ugh, centos May 30 03:39:39 centos > ms server 2k8 May 30 03:39:45 I'll take what I can get May 30 03:39:49 When it comes to gaming, it's been my experience that ATI's currently at the top of the heap. Even their midrange stuff packs a lot of bang for the buck. May 30 03:39:49 fair enough May 30 03:40:00 my aspire one is the first thing intel i've bought since 97 May 30 03:40:02 strangely, dell wasn't willing to preinstall slackware on my systems May 30 03:40:03 but centos > a kick in the face > ms server 2k8 May 30 03:40:17 well May 30 03:40:30 centos > debian == a kick in the face > ms server 2k8 May 30 03:40:40 heh May 30 03:40:48 i wouldnt call deb a kick in the face May 30 03:40:48 fair enough, I'll drop the distro bashing :) May 30 03:41:35 I'd like to thank debian, ubuntu, and fedora for all shipping broken mptsas drivers in their latest kernels! May 30 03:41:56 I got lots of overtime pay dealing with that mess May 30 03:42:04 lol May 30 03:43:02 i'm still baffled by the fact that the latest ubuntu update went around muting the pcm volume May 30 03:43:04 heh, I got some good weekend overtime pay unwedging rhel4 after a security update rendered it unbootable May 30 03:43:15 johnx: hahah May 30 03:43:29 the most secure computer is one that won't start May 30 03:43:38 i dumped redhat for centos a few cycles back May 30 03:43:56 it just would be nice if they gave me some release notes about that "intended feature" May 30 03:44:12 acydlord: when society breaks down and there is no law I'm going to kidnap the pulseaudio and gstreamer devs and make them use their own software without root access May 30 03:44:27 kfx, lmao May 30 03:44:42 pulseaudio is the worst thing to happen to linux since mark shuttleworth May 30 03:44:52 in order to be allowed to leave they'll have to apologize to the alsa devs May 30 03:45:36 pulseaudio, gstreamer, arts, esd -- these are things I work to keep off my nx servers May 30 03:46:07 acydlord: You're close, but the real worst thing to happen to linux is actually the KDE and Gnome devs' mania for "improving" their DEs by throwing tried and true UI ideas out the window and replacing them with something that might work two years from now. May 30 03:46:29 true May 30 03:46:43 one time as a joke I switched one of the nx servers over to fvwm carefully configured to look like stock ubuntu gnome May 30 03:46:49 pulseaudio is crap May 30 03:46:51 "lets see how shiny and off the wall we can make it" May 30 03:46:58 alsa is the best May 30 03:47:08 even uninstalled pulse to install alsa in the past May 30 03:47:15 i'm quite the fan of dwm or openbox May 30 03:47:24 * kfx is running dwm right now May 30 03:47:26 acydlord: you ever try pekwm? May 30 03:47:27 I just got a look at what's planned for Gnome 3.0 last week... what the hell are they thinking? "Menus are so yesterday! Let's make the users drag each program to a virtual desktop instead!" May 30 03:47:31 opensuse is the worst when it comes to audio May 30 03:47:40 took me like 30 mins to get alsa on there May 30 03:47:45 havent tried pekwm May 30 03:48:07 acydlord: its like a more lightweight openbox, same nothing on screen, right click menu appears May 30 03:48:10 GiantTalkingCow, i think they've been looking at the palm pre too much May 30 03:48:15 Pekwm is quite nice, but could be more configurable. May 30 03:48:25 I think GiantTalkingCow is being facetious May 30 03:48:31 pekwm is configurable to a fault May 30 03:48:37 i'll have to check it out zakkm, i'm looking for an alternate wm for the distro branch im working on May 30 03:49:01 i still prefer fluxbox the most, really like one of the themes May 30 03:49:08 carb i think its called? its been along time hah May 30 03:49:13 started with a c May 30 03:49:24 I used fluxbox, long ago May 30 03:49:30 kfx: Then I've mixed it up with one of the other similar WMs, my mistake. And no, GiantTalkingCow isn't being facetious... the Gnome devs actually have gone crazy. Let me find a link to a video of the new UI concept. May 30 03:49:49 i went to mac osx about two years, never touched linux since, though i help a friend out go over sometimes and help, so i sort of keep up-to-date a bit May 30 03:49:49 GiantTalkingCow: no, the gnome devs have always been insane May 30 03:50:10 GiantTalkingCow: id like to see that too May 30 03:50:21 kfx: Maybe so, but they used to errr on the side of caution. Now they've gone bananas. May 30 03:50:44 if you want proof, hit alt+f2 and type gegls from outer space or free the fish and hit enter May 30 03:51:12 after using dwm for a couple years I get annoyed when I have to manually position windows May 30 03:51:16 * johnx actually likes gnome ... May 30 03:51:32 i like gnome too :( May 30 03:51:39 mostly cause of gtk theming May 30 03:51:41 but yeah :D May 30 03:51:42 other things that now annoy me include: title bars, borders bigger than 1px, anything that can't be accessed directly via keyboard May 30 03:52:00 zakkm: actually, I like gnome better than osx :) May 30 03:52:02 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxfWm2I-kMc&feature=related Here's a demo... let me see if I can't find a more comprehensive one. May 30 03:52:02 kfx: borders bigger than 1px can be controlled by gtk theme May 30 03:52:15 johnx: so do i, but then again i skin mac i DO NOT LEAVE IT DEFAULT :P May 30 03:52:21 ahh i like mac way more May 30 03:52:23 This video's a bit choppy, but you'll get the general idea. May 30 03:52:57 The default OS X skin hurts my eyes... too shiny. I went with one called Metal Muku instead. So much nicer. May 30 03:53:15 zakkm: I don't have enough time in the day to bother trying to hack around everything that annoys me in mac os x May 30 03:53:24 the default osx skin hurts me too, but mostly because whenever I see it I know I'm about to get RSI May 30 03:53:32 osx is too mickey moused for my tastes May 30 03:53:40 emphasis on "mouse" May 30 03:53:50 heh May 30 03:53:54 should i screenshot for you guys? May 30 03:53:55 acydlord: actually, the keyboard shortcuts on it are one of the things I like May 30 03:53:58 show you what i mean? May 30 03:54:05 zakkm: it's not the look, it's the feel May 30 03:54:15 kfx: Since when? Install quicksilver and do everything on the Mac by keyboard instead. May 30 03:54:31 the feel is perfect! May 30 03:54:35 does osx have a tiling window manager yet May 30 03:54:50 whats that? May 30 03:54:51 zakkm: unless what you want differs with what apple thinks you should use May 30 03:54:52 on my last openbox install i had everything with keyboard shortcuts May 30 03:55:15 kfx: it doesn't even let you snap windows to each other (or even to screen edges) May 30 03:55:18 Native? No. But then again you can just install X11 and use a standard tiling window manager. I have to say I don't see the appeal of them myself. May 30 03:55:24 johnx: wow May 30 03:55:31 that's awful May 30 03:55:42 GiantTalkingCow: do you have to install something every time you have to configure things? May 30 03:55:49 and click to focus makes me want to kill sometimes May 30 03:56:03 the most I interact with a mac is when I ssh into one to make sure it's authenticating against my ldap server May 30 03:56:14 kfx: Generally, no. May 30 03:56:32 kfx: I have a work macbook May 30 03:56:37 http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/9462/picture1jte.jpg sorry guys took long May 30 03:56:45 how can you tell me that looks ugly? May 30 03:56:51 i couldnt justify the price of mac hardware, especially with their failure rate, just to hack osx into looking like a free linux system May 30 03:57:13 zakkm: I never said anything about looks, but it doesn't solve any of the problems I have with mac :) May 30 03:57:13 we havea a 65% failure rate on the mac pro motherboards here May 30 03:57:20 heh May 30 03:57:24 you guys like the screenshot? May 30 03:57:27 think i skinned nicely/ May 30 03:57:48 its a hackintosh, but i did it properly , bought the right hardware and such May 30 03:57:52 yeah, looks nice. the default looks nice too. and so does wmaker May 30 03:57:55 still waiting for imageshack to answer packets May 30 03:58:02 it smells of turtlenecks and bloated senses of self entitlement still May 30 03:58:05 kfx: refresh? May 30 03:58:19 anyways, got breakfast to eat and hacking to do :) May 30 03:58:21 'later May 30 03:58:44 Use imgur.com instead of imageshack next time... it's generally not lag-prone. May 30 03:59:19 ive never seen lag in imageshack? May 30 03:59:22 im just so used to the ui and such May 30 04:00:47 Hey, seeing as this is the maemo channel, have any of you ever used the Nokia n810 internet tablet? May 30 04:01:01 i own a n800 ? May 30 04:01:04 Firefox can't find the server at img41.imageshack.us. May 30 04:01:05 hmm May 30 04:01:14 kfx: lame, onesec May 30 04:01:24 my n810 is keeping my bed warm for me and blinking away so i can find it in the dark May 30 04:01:47 acydlord: I'm considering buying one... would you say that the keyboard is any good? May 30 04:01:54 I love the n810 keyboard May 30 04:02:02 GiantTalkingCow: alot of people complain, some dont May 30 04:02:09 GiantTalkingCow: the GPS on it is crap , so dont get it for that May 30 04:02:14 it like it for the most part May 30 04:02:30 zakkm, gps seems to be working beter for me with the tinygpsd and agps installed May 30 04:02:42 about 5-10min to fix cold May 30 04:02:52 its just what ive heard / read in all my maemo life May 30 04:02:54 about 1-5 mins till fix warm May 30 04:03:06 but for the most part its shit May 30 04:03:32 only a couple magnatudes better than cell triangulation May 30 04:03:47 I'm mostly getting it for the apps and keyboard. I had an iPod Touch that I'd gotten as a present, but half a year later I'm fed up with the damn software keyboard, so I'm looking around for a more full featured gadget to use as my PDA. May 30 04:04:17 the OSKs on the NITs are much better than that crap on the iPoo May 30 04:04:27 cant beat the ipod firmware :P May 30 04:04:35 well depends how techy you are May 30 04:04:43 end user - ipod is unbeatable May 30 04:04:54 zakkm: I beg to differ. May 30 04:04:57 i dont like the ipod, its not tech, its a toy May 30 04:05:01 techy, into ssh and such messing with gtk themes, window managers and such.. n8x0's will win May 30 04:05:17 if your here chances are you would choose tablet over ipod May 30 04:05:31 but in school, everyday ppl on the street.. you put both side by side May 30 04:05:35 the ipod would win by far May 30 04:05:49 mostly due to branding May 30 04:06:04 no May 30 04:06:06 i actually went a few years using NITs as my main mobile computer May 30 04:06:08 its a good product May 30 04:06:19 zakkm: I'm not so sure. It makes a better first impression, but once you ask people what they'd like their device to do, it doesn't hold up so well. It has a nice UI, I'll give it that. May 30 04:06:46 speed. May 30 04:06:49 compatibility May 30 04:06:59 better music management May 30 04:07:03 not to mention the NITs and the ipod/iphone are designed for completely different reasons May 30 04:07:10 yeah thats what i mean May 30 04:07:24 techy - n8x0's ... end user - ipod May 30 04:07:36 i'm a member of the camp of having a different device for each purpose May 30 04:07:47 i have an mp3 player, phone, tablet, laptop, etc May 30 04:08:09 The App Store is the iPhone's Achilles' Heel. It's chock full of shovelware, and has no real way to search through it to find the gems. (and there are quite a few) May 30 04:09:00 anywho i'm off to play some streetfighter May 30 04:09:02 lates May 30 04:10:16 http://madleet.net/shot.png May 30 04:10:23 that's how I like my computers May 30 04:10:33 as for the n810 it's the lcars-complete theme all the way May 30 04:10:43 might i add, ew May 30 04:10:57 zero garbage May 30 04:11:03 zero UI May 30 04:11:09 that looks very unproductive May 30 04:11:28 I don't measure productivity by the amount of crap I can cram into a screen May 30 04:12:00 I still don't get titlebars May 30 04:12:11 why do you need the window labeled? can't you tell what it is by looking at it? May 30 04:12:14 minimize, maximize, close ( linux /windows way anyways) May 30 04:12:25 not always May 30 04:12:30 if you run a terminal app May 30 04:12:35 like irssi May 30 04:12:40 wouldnt you like to know its irssi? May 30 04:12:47 not everoyne can tell by looking at the window May 30 04:12:51 with dwm, there's no need to do minimize or maximize May 30 04:12:56 and close is a keyboard shortcut May 30 04:13:15 if you can't tell irc by looking at it, it won't be an issue because you won't be using irc May 30 04:13:25 lol May 30 04:13:29 ive tried all those May 30 04:13:40 still prefer proper DE May 30 04:13:43 of some sort May 30 04:13:46 I've been using dwm since a couple months after it came out May 30 04:13:57 I like computers much better when I don't have to do their job for them May 30 04:13:59 older ? May 30 04:14:16 im guessing your a debian user May 30 04:14:48 lord god no May 30 04:14:55 heh May 30 04:14:57 gentoo? May 30 04:15:08 equally offensive, but for different reasons May 30 04:15:25 I like a distro that doesn't molest upstream source, but also isn't some kind of ricer festival May 30 04:15:34 yay, I compiled and succesfully ran hello world on fremantle May 30 04:15:35 slackware as often as possible May 30 04:16:55 slackware .. May 30 04:16:57 wow May 30 04:17:01 piece of garbage imo May 30 04:17:39 i think i need to put this back on the main server. hellanzb is going extremely slow May 30 04:18:01 i guess 1GHz is kind of slow :) May 30 04:18:25 * zakkm has a overclocked 3ghz machine.. overclocked from 2ghz to 3ghz May 30 04:18:48 zakkm: it probably looks scary from inside the RDF, I guess May 30 04:19:08 RDF? May 30 04:20:01 zakkm: i don't think i would have much luck trying to oc a C7 May 30 04:20:02 :) May 30 04:20:13 heh May 30 04:21:14 i'm just not getting the download speeds i was getting from the dual dual core 1.8GHz fileserver May 30 04:22:16 <|troy|> Hmmm. crowded in here May 30 04:22:27 shhhhh May 30 04:22:41 :P May 30 04:23:30 This Hostel has everything now. Even a drunk guy standing up in the middle of the night and peeing in another guys bed. Good thing there was no one there in that bed :P May 30 04:24:23 I seem to be having some difficulty with getting the QEMU environment described by Marcin Juszkiewicz to work - keep getting a white screen when starting up, and then nothing further. Any ideas? May 30 04:31:26 morning rm_you May 30 04:31:32 morning May 30 04:31:44 been up since like 4 but powerless :P May 30 04:31:59 prolly gonna nap Ã1 more hr myself May 30 04:32:11 rm_you: People waking up at the cabinn? May 30 04:32:17 yeah looks like May 30 04:32:39 i also thought the thing was at 9 but this sheet says it is at 10 and recommends we be there by 9:30 May 30 04:32:49 anyone else at the Cabinn have breakfast plans? May 30 04:33:39 rm_you: Perhaps go down and see if there's anyone there not plugged into the matrix May 30 04:34:17 rm_you: 8.30 we plan to meet up May 30 04:34:55 k May 30 04:35:00 theeres breakfast at hotel. if they tell you otherwise tell them to call william May 30 04:36:19 so if you need food now i think its open May 30 04:36:50 oh ok May 30 04:36:57 we'll check it out in a minute then May 30 04:37:30 johnx: a good morning to another dane. May 30 04:37:43 (at least for the danish hostmask that is) May 30 04:37:49 :) May 30 04:43:42 right, bbl 1hr. nap May 30 05:03:31 JesperHansen: the danes saved all their jews before they could be rounded up by the nazis to be killed May 30 05:04:16 sounds like a good place to live May 30 05:05:31 Macer: still reading on WW2/holocaust? May 30 05:05:44 naw. i'm done. May 30 05:05:48 pretty messed up stuff May 30 05:05:51 Macer: good to know May 30 05:06:23 during the final days of the war.. they were trying their best to kill as many people as possible. huge trainloads of people were all just brought straight to the chambers May 30 05:06:34 that is just like.. seriously messed up May 30 05:06:52 i mean if you saw the pictures of them getting off the trains.. there were thousands May 30 05:07:54 i don't understand how people could kill small children like that May 30 05:08:21 Macer: most died on the train itself, there was no room to move or breath May 30 05:08:54 there was one death camp that they made look like a train stop. and they didn't realize that they were going into a gas chamber. they thought they were just going ot take showers May 30 05:09:18 the camp had no other purpose other than to kill people May 30 05:09:24 Macer: morbid topic of conversation for this early in the morning O_o May 30 05:09:31 it's midnight ;) May 30 05:09:39 that's pretty early in the morning :P May 30 05:09:54 or very late at night May 30 05:10:08 yeah <_< May 30 05:10:09 Macer: try to keep up with the worlds center :P May 30 05:10:12 i consider it morning around 3 May 30 05:10:21 i dont go off zulu time :) May 30 05:10:27 lol well, heading down to breakfast May 30 05:10:43 bbl May 30 05:14:01 Macer: where in the world are you May 30 05:14:50 chicago May 30 05:17:19 another Dane May 30 05:20:25 http://wiki.maemo.org/images/f/f2/Picture_4_s.jpg <- Jesus Christ! May 30 05:21:42 wazd: notice the high number of danish hostmasks here today :P May 30 05:22:59 * rm_you actually goes to breakfast May 30 05:25:29 Macer, hey neighbor May 30 05:27:24 lol your all at the hotel? May 30 05:28:11 client May 30 05:38:06 eh, keep yer fingers to yerself! May 30 05:39:18 CutMeOwnThroat: it wasn't a finger May 30 05:39:33 Hi May 30 05:40:31 * johnx and rm-you are downstairs eating breakfast May 30 05:40:54 it was a whole hand! May 30 05:42:04 ok, so I'm lying about my client anyway... May 30 05:48:55 johnx, no issues? May 30 05:49:17 nope May 30 05:51:03 ok 4 good songs on the fray cd May 30 05:51:04 heh May 30 05:51:13 say when is an awesome song May 30 05:52:28 the coffee is actually pretty good May 30 05:55:07 johnx which, the crappy cups May 30 05:55:22 or are you downstairs already May 30 05:55:26 does the cup make the coffee? :) May 30 05:56:03 yes! May 30 05:56:41 if there is no handle you cannot sit and enjoy as well, and its polystyrene as well May 30 05:57:03 itx like fakon May 30 05:59:23 haha May 30 07:27:10 hello May 30 07:30:43 Morning! May 30 08:06:51 rm_you, ping :D May 30 08:07:12 johnx: pong May 30 08:10:02 johnx: mums? :P May 30 08:10:51 yeah,that'd be neat. dunno if we have time May 30 08:11:05 it is... not that much to do May 30 08:39:05 live May 30 09:28:14 jeremiah_: ping May 30 09:30:49 stskeepsie: I wanted to know where you were in Real Life, but now I know! May 30 09:31:21 hehe May 30 09:31:33 jeremiah_: you are working on maemian and such during this weekend? May 30 09:35:58 jeremiah_: because if so me and lbt has a idea to discuss two things: packaging policy, and maemian and scratchboxisms May 30 09:49:11 Sooo, they seem to take the coffee away :( May 30 09:49:41 NOOOOO May 30 09:49:54 what? May 30 09:50:03 Let's hope they replace it with lunch :) May 30 09:50:24 coffee fail. May 30 09:59:31 WTF May 30 09:59:55 X-Fade: btw, never trust devices running on batteries to wake you up May 30 10:22:22 Is it just me or does hildon-desktop crash if you give it a desktop file with the X-Osso-Service field having a D-Bus service name that contains a hyphen? May 30 10:37:54 qwerty12, it crashes with a hyphen May 30 10:38:12 btw, what's up? ;) May 30 10:38:24 nice to see you again May 30 10:38:38 I thought you had leave us May 30 10:39:57 Thanks yerga, nothing much, I've had exams the past week (this week is a free week) :) May 30 10:40:35 hehe exams, I start the next week May 30 10:42:05 Heh, you do chemistry right? I'm pretty sure yours will be a lot more harder than mine :P :D May 30 10:43:05 I imagine quantum chemistry will be more difficult but the others don't think so ;) May 30 10:43:32 hehe May 30 10:45:35 Bleh, built libsdl-perl against libsdl-mixeroggwav1.2 and Frozen Bubble still won't play sounds in ogg files May 30 10:46:21 good morning May 30 10:49:22 i have a problem with the hildon_banner... http://pastebin.ca/1440882 May 30 10:49:58 the banner never come up May 30 11:34:27 Ok, lunch was not half bad :) May 30 11:39:31 * GAN8001 does not feel like joining twitter for some stupid feed. May 30 11:39:41 Why do we need a separe #mozmae channel, anyway? May 30 11:40:28 http://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?title=User_talk:Bobbin2002&rcid=13790 May 30 11:41:55 http://twitterfall.com/ and enter mozmae ;) May 30 11:48:37 Doesn't work May 30 11:48:47 they're tweeting slow May 30 11:48:53 That should be "twitter fail" May 30 11:52:20 * lbt sits down May 30 11:53:41 heh May 30 11:53:45 so tired. May 30 12:00:25 does N810 come with any kind of memory card? May 30 12:01:55 I mean is there any mini sd card in sales package May 30 12:02:46 amoult, 256MB, I believe. May 30 12:04:02 I was just about to go to buy a memory card for N810 I just recently bought May 30 12:04:13 don't think mine came with one May 30 12:04:37 when I found 4gig class 4 card inside, which the seller didn't mention about (second hand unit) :D May 30 12:09:54 nice May 30 12:11:09 my 810 didn't come with one May 30 12:11:42 when will 16GB microsd cards be only twice the price of 8GB ones? May 30 12:12:53 mavhc: After the 32GB ones show up? May 30 12:14:30 anybody from germany in here? i have a spare n810 May 30 12:22:36 bergie, ping? May 30 12:22:41 pong May 30 12:23:27 bergie, any chance on a screenshot of the fixed Midgard toolbar? May 30 12:23:42 ah... completely forgotten about it May 30 12:23:53 I'm hacking on something right now, but I'll get back to you May 30 12:24:22 OK, thanks. May 30 12:24:42 There were some complaints on Talk about the floating bar the other day which is what reminded me. May 30 12:24:53 GAN8001: You really should have been here btw ;) May 30 12:26:02 GAN8001: Make sure you have your agenda locked for the summit at least! May 30 12:26:41 X-Fade, yeah, passport, work, etc. May 30 12:27:03 No excuses ;) May 30 12:27:31 X-Fade, anyway, there's no need to make me feel worse early on a Saturday morning. :P May 30 12:29:03 Oh, I know of several things to add to the pain ;) May 30 12:30:06 Alright, time for work. May 30 12:30:13 Enjoy your hacking, you bastards. May 30 12:30:19 hah May 30 12:30:23 why aren't you here?? May 30 12:31:10 Pavlov, a variety of reasons. May 30 12:31:19 ah well -- next time? May 30 12:31:25 None of them very good individually, but adding up in aggregate. May 30 12:31:29 Planning on the Summit. May 30 12:31:32 sweet May 30 12:31:38 i'm going to try ot make it as well May 30 12:34:05 are there any plans to add support to google tasks to erminig? May 30 12:34:20 s/support to/support for/ May 30 12:34:20 kkrusty meant: are there any plans to add support for google tasks to erminig? May 30 12:48:11 browser is hanging on "UpdatingS... May 30 12:48:17 browser is hanging on "Updating" May 30 12:48:39 known problem since yesterday? May 30 12:56:47 minra: restart the browser service May 30 12:57:51 ty kkrusty !! May 30 12:57:51 well maybe try that. I dont know too much but thats what I did when that happened to me May 30 12:58:05 how? May 30 12:59:09 /etc/init.d/tablet-browser-daemo restart May 30 12:59:58 GAN800 aww I was just going to type that May 30 13:00:19 you stole my moment :) May 30 13:01:18 While trying to find a lightswitch, even. :P May 30 13:02:01 GAN800 I hate to be persistant but any idea how I could get any todo management service to work on maemo? May 30 13:02:01 * Stskeeps_ yawns May 30 13:02:05 still hangs on updating May 30 13:02:23 who supports tear browser? May 30 13:02:43 id use that, but it has broken copy/paste May 30 13:03:58 hi May 30 13:13:27 blah May 30 13:13:29 waiting to board a plane May 30 13:13:47 at least the airport isnt jammed packed May 30 13:14:01 one thing to thank a collapsed economy on May 30 13:14:13 heh May 30 13:14:42 dont let the tsa goons steal your laptop May 30 13:16:17 can i reinstall browser to fix? or disable "updating"? May 30 13:19:45 can xchat remember my channels? May 30 13:21:49 minra, did you restart it? May 30 13:23:10 yes GAN800 May 30 13:23:20 As root? May 30 13:23:23 yes May 30 13:24:28 Nokia-N810-43-7:~# /etc/init.d/tablet-browser-daemon restart May 30 13:25:50 minra: how about restarting the tablet? May 30 13:26:06 why is it that todo list synchronisation is so neglected? May 30 13:26:23 the microsoft solution? May 30 13:26:31 minra: unfortunately yes May 30 13:26:43 kkrusty, people don't buy these things for PIM. May 30 13:26:59 Plus, it's not an easy solution to put together. May 30 13:27:32 whoah May 30 13:27:42 daemo and daemon exist May 30 13:27:49 daemon is empty May 30 13:27:51 Nokia-N810-43-7:~# /etc/init.d/tablet-browser-daemo restart May 30 13:28:14 sh: /etc/init.d/tablet-browser-daemo: Permission denied May 30 13:29:09 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 May 30 13:00 tablet-browser-daemo May 30 13:29:15 0 May 30 13:29:18 bytes May 30 13:30:58 GAN800: Well calendars work and I was thinking that todo list synchronisation can only be easier than this May 30 13:31:13 minra: to save time: http://pastebin.com/f2565bcfb May 30 13:32:18 cant paste link into tear browser lol May 30 13:32:42 jesus May 30 13:33:37 ty qwerty12_N800 May 30 13:35:08 GAN800: also there isnt anything for symbian either. May 30 13:35:34 GAN800: well actually theres one application but it costs money :( May 30 13:39:26 * kkrusty doesnt want to buy an iphone May 30 13:43:30 * stskeepsie neither May 30 13:46:04 ty ty qwerty12_N800 - fixed May 30 13:46:16 cool :) May 30 13:46:31 why did they get baleeted? May 30 13:46:47 mysterious universe May 30 13:48:50 Happy Caturday! May 30 13:49:13 qwerty12_N800: you're really missing out here :P May 30 13:49:47 stskeepsie: heh, what's it like there? :) May 30 13:50:42 quite nice atmosphere and relaxed May 30 13:50:46 a lot of hacking May 30 13:51:15 :) May 30 13:52:11 And in the presence of girls. Now that's not what you see everyday. May 30 13:53:32 there is more guys whit long hair then girls in here.. May 30 13:54:17 Sconk: Are you talking about the bold guy? May 30 13:54:34 bold ? May 30 13:54:52 May 30 13:56:57 or bald might work as well May 30 14:19:40 oh for gods sake... May 30 14:19:42 argh May 30 14:22:09 Myrtti? May 30 14:22:17 xournal is being idiot May 30 14:22:39 annotated a pdf in Ubuntu, moved the damn thing on my n800 and it doesn't work. May 30 14:23:49 ah May 30 14:23:57 * Stskeeps_ is just nervous before his presentation :P May 30 14:24:05 either that or i have bad caffeine jitters May 30 14:24:06 whut!?! May 30 14:24:19 the stupid xoj-files have static link to the pdf? May 30 14:24:22 LULWHUT May 30 14:24:25 so it's a overlay? May 30 14:24:27 interesting May 30 14:24:38 oh for fucks sake May 30 14:24:51 of course it can't find the pdf from /home/myrtti/pdf/aquila.pdf May 30 14:24:55 DAMN YOU May 30 14:24:58 doh. May 30 14:25:16 idiotic software is being idiotic May 30 14:25:59 er, and the xoj-file isn't even a sane xml? May 30 14:26:02 what idiocy is this? May 30 14:29:11 "so since we can't have the co-operation module that our inspiration of a software has, we decided to make the cooperation as difficult as possible. Screw you guys!" May 30 14:30:16 May 30 14:34:15 guys i have a problem with the hildon_banner... http://pastebin.ca/1440882 ... the banner never come up... May 30 14:42:47 http://www.collisiondetection.net/mt/archives/2009/03/beho_we_watched.php May 30 14:43:08 grape sized single-cell organism found May 30 14:45:32 im using the maps app May 30 14:45:35 and in the sat display thing May 30 14:45:40 it says 2 with an 8 under it May 30 14:45:46 btu i still have no location info available May 30 14:46:02 at what point will i actually have that info available? :p May 30 14:46:44 you need like 4-5 sats May 30 14:47:14 let the device rest n the open, outside, away from buildings, for z minutes May 30 14:47:16 6 May 30 14:48:01 if you bought n810 for gps, return it May 30 14:48:27 i didnt May 30 14:48:33 but if its included, itd be nice to get a signal May 30 14:48:34 just once May 30 14:48:56 important to not mive it at all while getting a lock May 30 14:49:00 move May 30 15:10:45 X-Fade: someday this will actually finish uploading to the builder :P May 30 15:11:22 rm_you: Shall I just copy the diablo version to the builder? May 30 15:11:52 hrm May 30 15:11:57 can try May 30 15:12:01 that is 0.15-0? May 30 15:12:09 rm_you: You tell me ;) May 30 15:12:12 heh May 30 15:12:15 * rm_you checks May 30 15:12:42 yes, looking like 0.15-0, should work May 30 15:12:54 ok, moment ;) May 30 15:12:59 eventually this upload of 0.15-2 might go through but it is all Mer changes so whatev May 30 15:14:32 building... May 30 15:14:53 :) May 30 15:14:56 might fail May 30 15:15:21 seem to recall my last attempt failing on fremantle possibly... never checked why, could have been that i386 issue i had May 30 15:15:37 timeless says he's here, BTW May 30 15:15:56 he is in the presentation room May 30 15:16:05 failed. May 30 15:16:11 well at least i get logs May 30 15:16:24 https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/advanced-backlight_0.15-0/armel.root.log.FAILED.txt May 30 15:17:10 E: Couldn't find package libhildondesktop-dev May 30 15:17:11 what? May 30 15:17:52 is that... gone? renamed? May 30 15:18:07 hey rm_you May 30 15:18:18 uhm, let me search quick May 30 15:18:25 lol k May 30 15:18:28 I have no idea. May 30 15:18:45 will ask the fremantle people when I get out, too May 30 15:26:52 it was renamed to libhildondesktop1-dev May 30 15:27:10 grar May 30 15:27:11 k May 30 15:28:44 thanks May 30 15:29:07 is the only change I need to make just renaming that in debian/control? or does it affect other things May 30 15:30:51 Is diablo's python2.5-pygame still maintained? May 30 15:31:04 joy... get to sit through uploading again May 30 15:34:07 might be faster outside this room May 30 15:34:54 it would be way faster if I exported all the extra icons to an icons package <_< May 30 15:35:10 would prolly be good, long run May 30 15:35:20 less up/down, since it would like never change May 30 15:35:50 rm_you: you're suppose to listen to the presentations :P May 30 15:35:59 i was May 30 15:36:28 Distracted by shiny object? May 30 15:36:33 lol yeah walk out here and it finishes like instantly May 30 15:36:53 working on getting ABL into fremantle-extras-devel so i can install it on the tablets here May 30 15:36:56 and see how it works May 30 15:47:18 yerga: ok so what is "hildon-desktop-dev" called now? May 30 15:47:21 :P May 30 15:48:49 rm_ May 30 15:48:55 me heya May 30 15:48:57 yo May 30 15:49:57 rm_you, that should be in libhildondesktop1-dev package too May 30 15:50:15 what need you from hildon-desktop-dev? May 30 15:50:47 honestly, at this point, i'm not even sure >_< May 30 15:50:52 love? May 30 15:50:53 thanks for the tip tho May 30 15:51:20 yerga: what about hildon-control-panel-dev? May 30 15:51:22 same? May 30 15:51:41 * RST38h is getting gprs packets in groups of three every 15 secs or so May 30 15:52:06 pidgeons might have worked better really... May 30 15:52:07 desktop tower defense is boring; RST38h is playing desktop packet defense May 30 15:52:07 rm_you, hildon-control-panel-dev exists in fremantle May 30 15:52:15 ah, k May 30 15:52:27 RST38h: soon the packets will get stronger and come in bigger groups. Make sure your device can shoot them down before they get your base! May 30 15:53:08 rm_you, but are you sure that the fremantle version supports statusbar plugins? May 30 15:53:18 no :P May 30 15:53:21 wont get stronger, unless mts puts in another tower May 30 15:53:22 (back to tower defense) May 30 15:53:22 i'm finding out May 30 15:53:38 or is there nice devices in the meeting? May 30 15:53:52 it does not, not in the present form May 30 15:54:04 they have the prototypes, was going to try to install and see what happens O_o May 30 15:58:06 btw, I now have another weird reason for having two devices (tablet+phone) May 30 15:58:09 you place phone at the spot with good gsm signal and use tablet from somewhere comfortable nearby May 30 15:58:16 heh May 30 17:37:02 'lo qwerty12_N800 May 30 17:37:10 hi stskeepsie May 30 17:38:38 X-Fade, jeremiah_: PING May 30 17:39:27 is the google repository still broken (maemo mapper on N800 - diablo) .. i keep getting 'maps not downloaded' error May 30 17:40:05 thopiekar: Pong May 30 17:40:33 hi jeremiah_ May 30 17:42:37 is there a way to get / add opengl headers into diablo? I think that you can remember that I'm working on the mixxx port (tabletDJ) and I'm just fighting with the deps now.. May 30 17:44:34 to build mixxx I would need them.. mixxx detects automaticly whether opengl is available or not.. so it would use the simplewaveform on n8x0's and on the fremantle device the opengl-waveform... May 30 17:46:17 thopiekar: I think that might be really, really hard. I think the opengl stuff is close to the hardware and really designed to run on fremantle. May 30 17:47:55 hmm May 30 17:48:26 but isn't it really possible to get the headers without the driver? May 30 17:49:33 I'm not 100 per cently sure but opengl-headers of mesa would be enough May 30 17:49:35 .. May 30 17:50:20 but building mesa in sb1 faild for me.. because of the old version of libdrm2.. May 30 17:50:22 :| May 30 17:50:44 btw is libdrm2 an important lib and what is it for? May 30 17:52:06 direct rendering manager May 30 17:52:16 kernel-side graphics acceleration lib May 30 17:54:34 so something very important for building other things? I just don't minded how important asound is and I uploaded a newer version of it from ubuntu and breaked others builds here.. so I'm just asking that :P May 30 17:54:37 bbl May 30 17:54:55 stskeepsie: going offline? May 30 17:55:48 thopiekar: any 3d accelerated video driver will depend on libdrm May 30 17:56:07 hmm May 30 17:56:52 wait.. you say any 3d driver.. but we haven't anyone.. May 30 17:57:19 so I could upgrade it and build mesa for the opengl-headers right? May 30 18:00:30 thopiekar: I'm not conversant with the build system or anything like that May 30 18:00:35 I just know what the lib does :V May 30 18:00:48 :] May 30 18:00:54 jeremiah_: ? May 30 18:02:49 I'm trying to get http://hiciu.rootnode.net/arch/wiki/AFR running on the n800. Chroot works fine, but when I try booting, init complains that dev/console doesn't exist and so the kernel panics May 30 18:03:43 anyone knows how to resolve that problem? May 30 18:04:46 try mknod /mnt/sda1/dev/console c 5 1 May 30 18:04:53 just a guess May 30 18:05:11 init needs /dev/console, /dev/zero, and /dev/null to be there iirc May 30 18:05:19 well May 30 18:05:30 not /mnt/sda1 but whatever your chroot is May 30 18:06:03 i don't want to boot it in the chroot, i want to boot it directly May 30 18:06:53 so it's strange, that there ist no dev/console May 30 18:07:12 does google maps works for you in maemo-mapper? May 30 18:09:56 also strange is that it says dev/console and not /dev/console May 30 18:09:58 johh: you still have to make the node though, because init uses udev or whatever to make the rest May 30 18:10:15 /console, /zero, /null are all static nodes May 30 18:13:01 and how can I do that before init, hacking the initfs? May 30 18:13:48 I think you can mknod while it's chrooted May 30 18:13:55 then it'll still be there when you boot into that root May 30 18:14:08 I'm no expert on this stuff, though :/ May 30 18:15:39 thanks May 30 18:15:57 good luck May 30 18:16:23 ah arch linux booting :D May 30 18:17:28 eww May 30 18:19:00 johh: don't listen to clueless naysayers; I'm not an arch guy but it's a decent distro May 30 18:33:17 is anyone else still having issues with google street maps repository (on maemo mapper - diablo) ? May 30 18:36:04 oli : just saw your comment ... it is not working for me as well. I am using yahoo street for now till it gets resolved May 30 18:38:15 beer time May 30 18:38:30 n800 running arch linux: http://img2.abload.de/img/rimg0008nupy.jpg arch linux on n800 May 30 18:39:40 really easy to log in without a keyboard ;p May 30 18:40:10 usb keyboard? May 30 18:41:01 Configure to auto-login while having the partition mounted in Maemo? May 30 18:41:36 johh, might be the kernel you are using. what one is it? May 30 18:41:37 until now, i only have logged in via chroot but tomorrow i will get one of those usb adapters May 30 18:41:49 Maybe not... I thought it had X running May 30 18:42:04 i'm using the standard maemo kernel May 30 18:42:12 x isn't yet ported to arm May 30 18:42:37 the project porting arch to arm platform is in an early stage May 30 18:43:15 you need to recompile the kernel with console support May 30 18:44:09 http://wiki.maemo.org/Advanced_booting#Boot_messages worked fine for me May 30 18:44:45 i dont know then May 30 19:34:26 any c++ developters here? May 30 19:34:49 could someone please tell me how this can work? May 30 19:35:36 mixxx 1.7.0~beta1 - waveformviewerfactory.cpp -- line 64 May 30 19:35:37 if(visual != NULL) May 30 19:35:37 delete visual; May 30 19:35:57 are the "{" and "}" not missing? May 30 19:36:16 how should i understand that? May 30 19:36:21 they're not needed if there's only one line of code May 30 19:36:22 if you have only one statement, you don't have to write { and } May 30 19:36:36 For an if statement that only consists of one line, it's not needed May 30 19:36:42 it's the same as if (visual != NULL) { delete visual; } May 30 19:37:09 thanks May 30 19:37:25 {} around a single statement is silly :/ May 30 19:37:52 isn't 'delete NULL;' valid, anyway? May 30 19:40:04 delete null is a nop May 30 19:40:08 according to ansi, anyhow May 30 19:47:11 delete null is a nop May 30 19:47:18 yeah there's no need to check May 30 19:48:11 delete checks it for you May 30 19:50:45 the next line is the most silliest.. May 30 19:50:47 if(visual != NULL) May 30 19:50:47 delete visual; May 30 19:50:47 visual = NULL; May 30 19:51:26 "visual = NULL" overwrites "visual" so there is no need to delete it.. isn't it? May 30 19:54:27 freeing the memory and assigning NULL to the pointer are different things May 30 19:55:39 but where is the difference of changing a value and freeing memory + setting a new value? May 30 19:57:02 If you don't understand that difference, you need to stop programming C++ right now. May 30 19:57:29 :P May 30 19:58:00 Go use Python or something, you'll be happier, and the world much safer. May 30 19:58:30 and ram much fuller May 30 19:59:09 * thopiekar is programing in python and c++ at school.. but it seems that I just learn there the basics of the basics :| May 30 19:59:33 define school May 30 19:59:39 No, if he thinks it's okay to assign NULL to something instead of deleting it, I'm going to bet that the Python code will win on memory. May 30 19:59:42 * thopiekar will be back in some minutes.. May 30 19:59:48 i imagine being taught programming at highschool and college or university is very different May 30 19:59:59 well, i don't imagine :p May 30 20:00:10 it IS May 30 20:09:44 thopiekar, if you just do visual = NULL; then congratulations, you've just leaked memory :) May 30 20:10:46 memory management is perhaps the most challenging part of C and C++, you have to do it yourself :) May 30 20:15:56 are there tutorials like python's: 'a byte of python' for c++? May 30 20:16:46 it looks like I have to get into c++ on myself :| May 30 20:19:14 I'm "competent" in C, but I'm pretty lost with C++ :) May 30 20:19:55 http://www.cplusplus.com May 30 20:20:28 are there docus in german, too? May 30 20:21:32 no idea May 30 20:22:14 don't seems so :| I should google about that.. May 30 20:28:55 thanks all of you anyway :) May 30 21:05:39 Anybody fix lcuk's tablet? May 30 21:40:09 back at hotel May 30 21:43:36 How did your presentation go? May 30 21:44:19 great, i think May 30 21:44:27 Good :) May 30 21:46:42 http://www.flickr.com/photos/quimgil/3579487260/ , - the T is the mer table May 30 21:47:01 well, maybe a reverse f.. May 30 21:47:04 bottom left, at least May 30 21:58:14 Are the battery percentages(given by pybattery) accurate in anyway? 2.6% is very bad for a li-polymer cell May 30 21:59:00 qwerty12_N800: i have the presentation on video if you want to watch later May 30 22:00:00 stskeepsie: Awesome, gimme a link when I'm on my computer please--dunno if N800 will play properly May 30 22:00:06 yeah May 30 22:00:25 Firebird: probably not, mine stays at 0% for ages before the power goes May 30 22:00:55 yeah, because the percentage it shows usually causes damge to the battery May 30 22:02:33 ~seen b-man16 May 30 22:02:35 b-man16 was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 21h 9s ago, saying: 'http://www.stevechamberlin.com/cpu/category/bmow1/ -- this guy built a 2mhz cpu by hand using a logic board and hundreds of tranzisters lol lol'. May 30 22:02:41 lol May 30 22:02:56 evening timeless_mbp, where'd you peeps end up? eaten by icecream? ;) May 30 22:03:19 yes May 30 22:03:36 * stskeepsie is encoding his recorded presentation May 30 22:03:52 Hi, I don't find on garage where to upload my SSH key May 30 22:05:35 Firebird, 0% is triggered at around 3.5 volts May 30 22:05:38 should be safe May 30 22:05:43 ah May 30 22:06:19 lshal | grep battery May 30 22:14:09 gah.. video encoding May 30 22:14:18 * stskeepsie needs to get a faster laptop May 30 22:15:54 scary, i actually do sound a bit convincing May 30 22:16:12 either that or i'm delusional. works too. :P May 30 22:17:29 stskeepsie, tss, still hacking? :-) May 30 22:18:08 andre: sconk recorded the whole thing so i'm uploading it to blip.tv May 30 22:18:15 oh cool May 30 22:18:24 most of it May 30 22:20:01 if/when here are finnish tablet owners, you might be interested in this: http://www.miika.name/tekstitv/ May 30 22:20:53 works at least with the default os2008 browser with javascript on and viewed full screen May 30 22:21:41 Noma: what works? May 30 22:21:58 to me that looks like a picture May 30 22:22:33 it's a teletext client, you can change the page by clicking the navigation buttons on the right or writing a page number May 30 22:22:51 teletext is still wildly popular in .fi :-) May 30 22:23:10 digital killed the teletext star May 30 22:23:22 ah May 30 22:23:28 now i get it May 30 22:23:29 it's mainly about digital teletext here May 30 22:24:10 They managed to kill all digital services before roll-out :-) May 30 22:27:31 lo bacon May 30 22:27:45 lo sts where did you end up May 30 22:27:59 bacon: stayed at the bar but that was kinda stupid :P May 30 22:28:10 my feet are killing me though May 30 22:28:29 i thought you came back i am sure i heard david May 30 22:28:51 i came back about an hour ago May 30 22:28:54 i got lost! May 30 22:28:59 sts, have yiu seen http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMH0bHeiRNg ? May 30 22:29:10 i want with sampppa May 30 22:29:34 timeless_mbp: yeah actually May 30 22:29:37 then went for water but got completely lost in the backstereet May 30 22:29:47 * timeless_mbp missed all these memes :( May 30 22:30:02 bacon: yeah he was wondering where you were May 30 22:30:45 yeah i found the station and got another text from a friend so was rescuedlol May 30 22:35:45 * stskeepsie notes the hotel has crap upstream May 30 22:38:09 heh sts stop trying to upload mer May 30 22:38:20 hey david May 30 22:38:24 sorry, am i ruining the internet for the rest of you? :P May 30 22:39:16 yeah lol May 30 22:39:21 stskeepsie: either mxr is slow or you're blowing too much making it not suck enough May 30 22:42:20 should i charge tablet overnight or my phone May 30 22:43:19 both, just wake up in the middle to change :p May 30 22:44:23 lol noma not an option i have had beer May 30 22:45:18 bacon, get a multiplicator at my room :-P May 30 22:45:28 bacon: run: dbus-send --system -- type=signal /com/nokia/bme/signal com.nokia.bme.signal.battery_full :P May 30 22:45:59 heh andre i wouldnt hear the alarm on either May 30 22:46:11 lol @ qwerty May 30 22:46:12 ehehe May 30 22:46:32 gnight May 30 22:46:36 gnite May 30 22:47:03 * bacon has 1 dodgy plug that looks like its been used for science experiments May 30 22:56:34 it probably has, you sneaky bastard May 30 22:58:29 * Stskeeps_ notes to himself he still has a caffeine high or something. May 30 22:58:30 * rm_you wonders if he should poke a bit more at ABL-Hal May 30 23:01:11 morning May 30 23:03:07 right, http://blip.tv/file/2179333 - first part of my talk on Mer, http://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/cphnotes.pdf May 30 23:09:29 offtopic, sony's new "psp go" http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=16066829&postcount=1 May 30 23:10:03 looks sexy May 30 23:10:15 heh May 30 23:10:23 'lo b-man16 May 30 23:10:40 hello stskeepsie :) May 30 23:12:02 gah.. finally, last video to upload May 30 23:12:07 threeparter of the mer presentation May 30 23:12:28 stskeepsie: i (might) be able to port the fm radio app to mer :) May 30 23:12:44 k, write yourself on the task then May 30 23:12:53 ok May 30 23:15:10 btw, my /dev/dsptask directory somehow got deleted and now i'm left with no sound :P - is there any way to fix this without reflashing? May 30 23:15:30 should we be sleeping lol May 30 23:15:49 no clue. :P May 30 23:16:04 heh May 30 23:16:05 anyway, "Mer: Maemo Reconstructed" presentation vids: http://blip.tv/file/2179333 http://blip.tv/file/2179368 http://blip.tv/file/2179382 May 30 23:16:18 who videod it May 30 23:16:35 scon May 30 23:16:38 should add to details May 30 23:16:40 k May 30 23:17:33 cool May 30 23:17:49 * lbt_ sleeps May 30 23:17:54 * b-man16 wonders if he could ask someone if theay could make a .tar.gz of /dev/dsptask to send to me... May 30 23:17:57 XD May 30 23:18:21 b-man16: udev should really make it May 30 23:18:29 if your udev rules are OK May 30 23:18:36 b-man16: should watch the vids i posted above :) May 30 23:20:10 * b-man16 looks around for anything missing in udev rules May 30 23:20:47 btw, sweet video :D May 30 23:21:48 too bad i have no sound lol May 30 23:22:23 ah, yeah, that'd ruin it really May 30 23:22:29 go watch slides then, it has what i'm sortof saying :P May 30 23:24:07 stskeepsie: when we waking up in the morning? same thing? breakfast and leave the hotel by 9? May 30 23:24:22 i plan to be waking up when i'm having coffe, dunno about you.. :P May 30 23:24:25 but yeah May 30 23:24:26 same plan May 30 23:24:33 i just can't sleep yet, mind too active May 30 23:24:37 so just doing administrativia May 30 23:24:47 heh May 30 23:24:51 * b-man16 finds no rules for /dev/dsptask/pcm* May 30 23:24:59 kk May 30 23:25:11 hmmm May 30 23:27:28 ah, it looks like pcm* is marked "removable" :P May 30 23:29:46 but i can't find any further information refering to pcm May 30 23:29:54 hm May 30 23:32:07 * b-man16 is going crazy May 30 23:37:14 only crazy b-man May 30 23:37:28 lol May 30 23:39:05 infobot: eat bacon May 30 23:39:06 That's too disgusting. May 30 23:39:11 lol May 30 23:39:30 feck off May 30 23:39:49 i am not edible by males lol May 30 23:40:21 lol? May 30 23:40:57 heh May 30 23:42:53 who the fuck is trying to use my phone as a modem May 30 23:43:02 * stskeepsie will track the guy down May 30 23:43:16 lol May 30 23:43:29 lo wazd! May 30 23:43:39 qwerty12? lol May 30 23:43:45 stskeepsie: k508i.wz.cz - get "bt info" and see if the guy accepts May 30 23:45:08 stskeepsie: heya :) May 30 23:45:18 wazd: video of my presentation is up :) May 30 23:46:44 stskeepsie: how was the presentation overall?) May 30 23:47:07 was good i guess :) May 30 23:47:18 stskeepsie: where can I watch it?) May 30 23:47:34 http://twitter.com/stskeeps has the links (3 parts) May 30 23:56:13 * b-man16 adds stskeeps to his twitter XD May 30 23:57:26 http://twitter.com/bman626 May 31 00:43:22 * GAN8001 is full of good food. May 31 00:49:57 * Bobbe is full of cold, hard pizza May 31 00:50:41 Bobbe ai dentro May 31 00:51:29 rapadura_man, ?? May 31 00:51:36 inside where? May 31 01:40:24 I am a newbie.I don't know how to get the code sample though changing sources.list.who can help me,thanks May 31 01:41:10 who can give me a location May 31 01:41:45 anybody? May 31 01:42:10 code sample? May 31 01:42:31 yes May 31 01:42:38 maemo code sample May 31 01:44:20 what... like.. "GOTO 10"? May 31 01:44:22 i want to use apt to get code sample. May 31 01:45:03 what are you mean? May 31 01:45:12 GOTO 10? May 31 01:45:28 what do YOU mean May 31 01:45:36 yes May 31 01:46:05 yes May 31 01:46:23 My English is not very good May 31 01:46:26 Sorry May 31 01:46:36 I hope you can help me May 31 01:46:58 i just want to learn a little May 31 01:47:18 but i don't know how to begin. May 31 01:47:32 i can't get the code sample. May 31 01:56:50 mib_e139do, I don't think there is a sample code short of hello world in C for hildon gtk May 31 01:58:45 * GAN800 can only hear chair squeaking on the Mer video. May 31 01:59:43 mib_e139do, http://maemo.org/development/documentation/tutorials/maemo_4-0_tutorial/ try that May 31 02:38:54 how to install input method plugin.is it a file with .db extention name May 31 02:41:21 In general,the package is a file with .deb. command 'dpkg -i' can install it,but how to install plugin like hildon input method plugin? May 31 02:41:26 could someone here --with an env setup for building 770 kernel modules-- build the two modules needed to run compcache (http://code.google.com/p/compcache/)?? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun May 31 02:59:57 2009