**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun May 31 02:59:57 2009 May 31 03:12:30 how to install input method plugin.is it a file with .db extention name May 31 03:13:55 mib_nyqoh8, where did you get this file? May 31 03:19:22 code samples May 31 03:19:24 after making 'hildon input method plugin',there is a .so file May 31 03:19:31 how to install it May 31 03:19:39 sudo make install May 31 03:19:41 it is not .deb file May 31 03:19:52 how did you "make it" May 31 03:21:02 i use eclipse and can't install May 31 03:21:17 eclipe generates no binery file May 31 03:22:46 The binary produced by gcc should be installed to path specified in hildon-control-panel pkg-config entry. This path can be obtained with pkg-config hildon-control-panel --variable=pluginlibdir. By default this is /usr/lib/hildon-control-panel. May 31 03:23:05 what does it mean? May 31 03:23:10 i can't understand clearly May 31 03:23:37 I think it already installed itself May 31 03:23:57 [sbox-CHINOOK_X86: ~] > gcc -shared `pkg-config gtk+-2.0 libosso --libs --cflags` applet.c -o libapplet.so May 31 03:24:13 maybe i can't see it May 31 03:28:43 weird, I have bugs on the device I can't reproduce in QEMU :-( May 31 03:32:48 btw how do you guys input text in the SDK with the keyboard when apparently the input-method just eat "return" May 31 03:58:13 hey, how can I compile Openmotif for maemo os2008 ? May 31 03:58:54 with the sdk May 31 03:59:30 there's a tutorial? May 31 04:02:44 http://maemo.org/development/ May 31 04:03:58 thanks, is it hard? May 31 04:04:14 i only need to port an existent linux aplication to maemo... May 31 04:05:48 linux application and openmotif already are not very much compatible in the same sentence May 31 04:05:56 wow, these hotel rooms only have power enabled in the plugs if light is on .. O-o May 31 04:06:25 sorry May 31 04:06:26 stskeepsie: like in most power saving aware hotels in europe I have stayed at in recent years May 31 04:06:50 the application i need to run in maemo is called ftool, it uses openmotif lib... May 31 04:06:59 hub: bloody irritating if you want to charge tablets overnight May 31 04:07:02 hub, can you help me? May 31 04:07:53 stskeepsie: the one I have seen required to use the keycard as a master switch May 31 04:08:10 stskeepsie: so it is when you were not in the room that it didn't work May 31 04:08:30 reimor: how do you want me to do that? May 31 04:08:43 hub: yeah that part is fine May 31 04:08:51 hub: but mine doesn't act liek that May 31 04:09:47 GAN800: yeah, you need to amplify it :/ May 31 04:09:54 hub: would I need change any part of the code or its all about a command-line for compile? May 31 04:10:21 reimor: that I can't answer. I don't have enough information May 31 04:10:42 thanks May 31 04:12:02 hub, what is scratchbox? May 31 04:12:22 the build environment to cross compile and everything May 31 04:12:28 the documentation explain all of this May 31 04:12:44 hub: all that does is encourage people to get 2 cards, and leave lights on May 31 04:13:16 hub: can I install this on a vmware virtual machine? May 31 04:13:16 luke-jr: talking to the wrong person May 31 04:13:32 reimor: it is hosted on Linux May 31 04:13:49 [23:07:53] stskeepsie: the one I have seen required to use the keycard as a master switch May 31 04:13:53 reimor: so unless you workstation does not run Linux already, you don't need a virtual machine May 31 04:13:59 luke-jr: and> May 31 04:14:13 hub: my workstation is windows vista... May 31 04:14:15 luke-jr: again, talking to the wrong person. May 31 04:14:31 luke-jr: the hotel-desk is probably more appropriate May 31 04:14:49 hub: I've never been in such an insane hotel May 31 04:14:50 hub: will I need to conect n800 with linux? or can I send binaries via e-mail? May 31 04:15:10 reimor: it is explained in the documentation May 31 04:15:22 * luke-jr wonders why anyone still runs Windows May 31 04:15:33 thanks May 31 04:15:50 luke-jr: people love drugs May 31 04:17:17 anyhow, night May 31 04:19:00 luke-jr: it is like using Motif today May 31 04:22:32 hub: can you try to compile it for me? May 31 04:22:46 ftp://ftp.ics.com/openmotif/2.3/2.3.2/openmotif-2.3.2.tar.gz May 31 04:23:10 reimor: I'm available for hire if that's what you want to ask me May 31 04:24:00 hub: its not... i have no money ^^ May 31 04:24:08 neither have I May 31 04:24:22 hub: i'm from brazil, no one here has money May 31 04:24:23 hAHA May 31 04:24:40 I'm unemployed for several month May 31 04:24:42 same May 31 04:25:00 =/ May 31 04:26:48 I'm trying to be a engineer (@university)... ftool is a app for structural calculus...so i'm trying to put this on n800 to use it @tests... May 31 04:27:13 but i havent a distro installed... May 31 04:28:58 which is better: multiboot or virtual machine for use maemo sdk? May 31 04:32:04 and from what I can gather, there is no source code for ftool May 31 04:33:12 so you are out of luck May 31 04:34:15 :( May 31 04:34:27 i'm screwed... May 31 04:34:44 and what about Wine for maemo? May 31 04:34:50 impossible? May 31 04:35:03 wine is not an emulator May 31 04:35:11 N800 = ARM May 31 04:35:16 Windows = X86 May 31 04:35:56 :( May 31 04:36:00 any idea? May 31 04:36:47 use something that is supported by the developer of the program May 31 04:39:00 is possible to install windows @ n800 ? May 31 04:39:13 inside something like dosbox May 31 04:40:18 no May 31 04:40:27 again, as I said May 31 04:40:31 not the same architecture May 31 04:41:35 but dosbox emulate i386 inside armel, or not? May 31 04:42:41 why do you want that on a N800? May 31 04:42:47 why not using a real PC instead May 31 04:44:43 i need this in class, cant use a laptop May 31 04:45:55 if you can't use a laptop that means you don't need it May 31 04:45:57 don't you think? May 31 05:33:54 set /apps/osso/inputmethod/input_method_plugin GConf to himExample_vkb so that it will be loaded by the UI. what does it mean? May 31 05:34:20 about input method. May 31 05:34:51 anybody here can help me? May 31 05:40:13 when's checkout? May 31 05:41:48 no idea? >_> May 31 05:41:52 wish i knew May 31 05:43:49 10 probably May 31 05:43:59 maybe i find something http://wiki.forum.nokia.com/index.php/Maemo:_Using_GConf May 31 05:44:39 are people going from the conf to the airport or back via the hotel? May 31 05:44:53 i'm not returning to the hotel personally May 31 05:45:42 but then again i'm going by train later today :P May 31 05:45:56 yeah when is everyone leaving? May 31 05:46:06 gotta be an hour or two early for flights, right? May 31 05:46:14 so is everyone's flight at like 10pm? May 31 05:46:27 or will people be leaving at like 2? May 31 05:46:35 think it ranges May 31 05:46:50 and yeah, you have to be there before check in closes :P May 31 05:47:21 well, i'm thinking about breakfast... May 31 05:47:23 anyone else? May 31 05:47:31 rm_you <== evidently done with the semester =] May 31 05:47:46 RST38h: lol? yes May 31 05:48:25 he's busy hacking away like the rest of us (except me, who is putting up a bad example with having a lot of meetings :P) May 31 05:48:48 lol May 31 05:49:04 johnx not awake yet? May 31 05:49:10 he said he'd be on irc May 31 05:49:12 ima knock May 31 05:49:25 breakfast at 8.30? May 31 05:49:42 * RST38h isn't hacking much nowadays May 31 05:50:26 still need to figure out what goes on with ti73, etc May 31 05:52:05 * Stskeeps_ glances at the weird hotel room coffee May 31 05:53:31 starts at 7:30? May 31 05:53:37 prolly go grab it at 8 May 31 05:53:48 then come back and check out, then head to conf May 31 05:54:16 maybe hack some at the table :P May 31 05:54:50 starts at 6.30 yeah May 31 05:56:11 oh wait a second May 31 05:56:21 what time zone am i in? May 31 05:56:43 this mac thought it was in HEL May 31 05:56:49 lol May 31 05:56:58 starts at7:30 on weekends May 31 05:57:01 lol timeless May 31 05:57:14 it is like 8:00 now i think? May 31 05:57:33 i'm going to go to breakfast, will see anyone else there eventually May 31 05:57:33 yeah May 31 05:57:36 enjoy May 31 05:57:50 i gotta shower and such first :P May 31 05:58:06 Stskeeps_: i think i'll follow your plan May 31 05:58:26 but i want to catch up on a bit of mail first (wakeup, shower, eat, pack, travel)? May 31 06:01:38 * Stskeeps_ is really enjoying his last.fm subscription when he's away from home. May 31 06:04:17 also, whoever has their tablet locating my phone for internet should die. i had to turn my BT off F:P May 31 06:07:14 hrm, i hope they refill the meat trays... May 31 06:11:02 say when they refill and i'll come down May 31 06:11:03 :P May 31 06:11:24 lol May 31 06:13:47 ... why do i have two mozilla/maemo developer weekend tshirts May 31 06:14:12 hacker!! May 31 06:14:31 i guess they must have been glued together when i took one :P May 31 06:17:51 morning May 31 06:22:46 Stskeeps_: heh (re BT) May 31 06:25:42 rm_you: meat refilled yet? ;) May 31 06:26:32 dunno, minute May 31 06:26:57 don't suppose they have bananas? May 31 06:29:55 why is my N800 rebooting...? May 31 06:30:17 radic: you wrote "reboot" in a console May 31 06:30:37 Stskeeps_: no, I pluged in the charger May 31 06:30:54 refilled May 31 06:31:19 yay May 31 06:32:18 I dosn't changed anything the last few days, now It's rebooting... May 31 06:32:21 hmm May 31 06:32:43 I startet it and now it halted and starts again... May 31 06:39:40 Stskeeps_: how can I enable the logging to /var/log/ messages, syslog and dmesg? May 31 06:43:28 install sysklogd May 31 06:43:33 mm breakfast May 31 06:44:02 need coffee May 31 06:48:25 ooh, i can see the breakfast at the end of my bugmail May 31 06:49:37 bacon: Why coffee? beer ftw! May 31 06:49:59 heh radic, not a bad idea May 31 06:50:15 but beer doesnt taste nice with milk n sugar May 31 06:51:55 bacon: you trink your beer withe milk and sugar? May 31 06:57:40 yes radic May 31 06:57:49 normally hot too May 31 07:10:13 anyone still around for a late breakfast? May 31 07:14:08 we're still here May 31 07:20:11 ok, coming May 31 07:24:16 wb qwerty12 May 31 07:24:21 Thank you May 31 07:31:09 I'm trying to run a python script on my n810, and I'm sure there's an error in there but when I run it, it just drops to the next line without showing any output.. can anyone help me work out whats wrong? May 31 07:31:31 The file is: May 31 07:31:32 -rw------- 1 user root 879 May 31 09:28 wake.py May 31 07:31:39 Do you have python-launcher installed? May 31 07:32:12 no May 31 07:32:18 I'll install that now May 31 07:32:26 No, don't bother May 31 07:32:29 oh May 31 07:32:31 damn :) May 31 07:32:39 its already started May 31 07:32:52 it supresses output (well, prints it to a root terminal instead >.<) if you have it running :P May 31 07:33:54 ok.. I'll just uninstall it.. and am I right in running it by just sudo ./wake.py? May 31 07:34:50 If you've installed it, just run the program with "sudo python2.5 ./wake.py" - bypasses the launcher May 31 07:36:07 mikkov_: ping :) May 31 07:36:40 strange.. I've made a new file with just 2 lines in it: May 31 07:36:44 #! /usr/bin/python May 31 07:36:45 print "Hello World" May 31 07:36:53 and then I try to run it via: May 31 07:36:55 sudo python2.5 ./helloworld.py May 31 07:36:59 and I get no output May 31 07:37:02 Oh, you do have python-launcher installed probably. May 31 07:37:13 Change python to python2.5 and see if that works May 31 07:38:18 still no good.. very strange.. May 31 07:40:03 hmm even this just drops me to the next line: May 31 07:40:05 sudo apt-get install python2.5-runtime May 31 07:40:17 and if I do sudo ls -la I get May 31 07:40:19 root is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported. May 31 07:44:22 ah.. May 31 07:44:28 i got it.. thanks for your help qwerty12 May 31 08:01:10 anyone still @hotel? May 31 08:02:57 * doc|home @home May 31 08:04:02 * timeless_mbp heads out May 31 08:15:39 * stskeepsie is at the spot May 31 08:39:58 Mooooorning! May 31 08:40:57 morning ! May 31 08:45:05 stskeepsie: I pluged in an another charger May 31 08:45:52 now is displayed on the bootscreen "Rescuing software update" in red May 31 08:50:37 damen fuck.... May 31 08:50:54 why is my device rebooting after few minutes? May 31 08:52:32 jeremiah_, around (physically)? May 31 08:55:46 * timeless_mbp is @maemo-copenhagen May 31 08:56:02 qwerty12: hi May 31 08:56:57 mikkov_: hey, I was just wondering, isn't it easier to chown (for game data files that are installed to memory card) *after* dh_fixperms rather than excluding the folder? :P :) May 31 09:00:00 I don't know, but I don't see there any difference either :) May 31 09:00:55 Yeah, when I tried it, I had to chmod too which was annoying (games wouldn't start because it "couldn't find" the files) :) May 31 09:01:21 I'm just wondering if it'd be faster to chown afterwards, I'll have to try it out sometime May 31 09:01:29 what kind of SD card(s) does the N800 use? May 31 09:01:34 And thanks again for your memory card stuff May 31 09:02:27 EdLin: Full SD May 31 09:02:32 MiniSD with adapter May 31 09:02:45 qwerty12: SDHC or just SD? May 31 09:02:57 EdLin: SDHC, I'm using an 8GB right now May 31 09:03:02 cool May 31 09:03:13 hi all May 31 09:03:38 qwerty12: I'm thinking of getting an N800 from ebay rather than a new n810. Thoughts? May 31 09:04:31 thopiekar: hi May 31 09:05:08 EdLin: Sounds OK, the screen on the N810 is a lot better in sunlight (the N800 one is unusable in sunlight) and if you don't need a keyboard, then N800 sounds perfect May 31 09:05:36 yeah, I can get an n800 for under $150 on ebay. I'm thinking about it. May 31 09:05:58 ebay prices for n810 are near the cost of a new one now. May 31 09:06:29 I do have a need for using it in sunlight.... May 31 09:06:35 not always, but sometimes May 31 09:06:43 only $150? Sounds like you'll receive an empty box May 31 09:06:57 JesperHansen: several offers are less than $150. May 31 09:07:05 unless everyone's trying to gyp me. ;-) May 31 09:07:14 More empty boxes! May 31 09:07:18 lol May 31 09:07:38 is eBay really that bad? :) May 31 09:07:51 * thux in direct sunlight with n800 :P May 31 09:07:57 EdLin: I'm not going to lie to you, the N800 screen is unusable in sunlight :P. With brightness on max, you can just about make out the screen and that's if you squint :P May 31 09:08:33 qwerty12: what's keyboard input like with one without a keyboard? May 31 09:10:03 qwerty12: is it possible to do light IRC with one, for example? how about typing a web address? I already have a smartphone with a lousy screen but usable keyboard, so I don't need email typing much. May 31 09:10:10 i liked touchscreen used to it with ipaq May 31 09:10:23 I have a Palm TX. May 31 09:10:35 EdLin: I do IRC with mine using the stylus keyboard :) May 31 09:11:00 I've got longer fingernails in my thumbs to use irssi with May 31 09:11:01 qwerty12: are you doing that now? :) May 31 09:11:02 :-D May 31 09:11:08 stylus nails ♥ May 31 09:11:15 lol May 31 09:11:17 EdLin: no :) May 31 09:11:48 Myrtti: XChat FTW :P (Although, I'm using mIRC with NNScript right now >.<) May 31 09:11:58 and I especially wanted N800 for not having the keyboard :-D May 31 09:12:01 so the main drawback with the N800 is dim screen, any other drawbacks? May 31 09:12:05 * Myrtti is the odd one out, in more than one way May 31 09:12:24 EdLin: you don't get a multicoloured LED like the N810 has :P May 31 09:12:43 lol May 31 09:13:24 i use remote irssi with n800 May 31 09:13:28 OK, I'll have to think it over. Being able to save $75 or so is mighty tempting. May 31 09:13:33 You don't get a built in GPS either, like the N810, but I'm not sure if that's a disadvantage... May 31 09:13:43 *like you do with the N810 May 31 09:14:50 buy.com is offering the n810 for $199 with free shipping though..... May 31 09:15:28 I'd suspect a separate gps is a bit more useful than the inbuilt one, but I wouldn't know? May 31 09:15:28 still, a lot of the bids on ebay are for even less than $125. May 31 09:16:02 the 810 gps is bad but usable May 31 09:16:25 about the same then than in my N95 :-) May 31 09:16:27 it takes minutes to get a fix but after that it works well enough for navigation May 31 09:17:17 and and most people don't want to carry a bt gps in pocket "just in case" May 31 09:17:51 does n810 have agps? May 31 09:17:54 cosmo: yeah, I'll already have two devices with the nit and the smartphone. More is too much. May 31 09:18:00 thux: yep May 31 09:18:28 though I'll have a kindle 1 sometimes with me in my backpack.... May 31 09:18:50 speaking of which, what are ebooks like on the NIT? May 31 09:19:33 does it support epub? mobi? pdf? May 31 09:19:57 look at fbreader page May 31 09:20:33 PDF is supported by the xpdf based pdf viewer that comes with the device and the poppler based Evince which is installable from the application manager after enabling Extras May 31 09:20:56 But yeah, see what formats FBReader supports for the rest :/ May 31 09:21:45 oh, cool, fbreader supports epub and might be able to read my non-stand-alone palm pilot ebooks too. (The stand-alone ones might work with the Garnet VM, yes?) May 31 09:22:15 I think so, there was a method discovered that lets you access your memory cards through Garnet VM May 31 09:22:29 qwerty12: does that work well? May 31 09:23:06 qwerty12: is there a nice kernel packaged up with rotation and mmc and all the patches I need ? :P May 31 09:23:38 EdLin: I can see the files on my memory card and manupulate them, but I've never used Garnet VM for long enough to have ever installed a book reader. http://talk.maemo.org/forumdisplay.php?f=36 should have some experiences with Garnet VM May 31 09:24:02 rm_you: Bleh, use the Mer kernel, no 48MHz SD card speed but stable and featureful :P May 31 09:25:13 Awesome, Flashgot supports blip.tv. May 31 09:25:20 * qwerty12 downloads stskeepsie's presentation :) May 31 09:30:57 * rkirti follows suit May 31 09:42:35 * thopiekar updated streamripper May 31 09:45:57 http://corporatism.org/repo/ for my image viewer (and first debanized maemo software) May 31 09:46:21 I use ImageMagick to resize and rotate images so they fit the screen well. May 31 09:51:24 qwerty12: it's on there in ogv too i think May 31 09:51:58 I have to install some plugin or something, can't be arsed :) May 31 10:00:40 qwerty12: hints on installing the Mer kernel in ITOS/ May 31 10:02:05 The last image I done was here: http://trac.tspre.org/qwerty12/mer_kernel/mer_kernel_2.6.21-zImage_boot_from_rootfs.tar (I dunno if Mer people added other patches etc) May 31 10:02:24 Untar, become root, fiasco-flasher -f -k , reboot May 31 10:02:52 It's not tied to Mer, it works fine with Maemo, it's just called that because I gathered up patches for Mer May 31 10:03:11 i actually cleaned up and put it in a kernel source May 31 10:03:17 so it's built automatically now :) May 31 10:03:36 Using quilt? :) Either way, that's awesome :) May 31 10:03:51 not directly ;) May 31 10:03:57 it will be cleaned up for it May 31 10:04:11 Heh, where is the package? May 31 10:08:07 hrm, hope this boots :P May 31 10:08:47 if (user == "rm_you") blow_up_and_die(); May 31 10:08:51 lol May 31 10:09:01 doesn't look like it is booting >_< May 31 10:09:16 Oh shit, wrong one May 31 10:09:23 near a linux computer? May 31 10:09:26 yes May 31 10:09:28 lol May 31 10:09:54 Flash this one with flasher-3.0 :P >.<: http://trac.tspre.org/qwerty12/mer_kernel/mer_kernel_2.6.21-zImage_boot_from_initfs.tar May 31 10:10:09 lolhow? May 31 10:10:39 untar, run flasher-3.0 -f -k and hold home and connect up N800 May 31 10:11:17 k May 31 10:11:26 does it reboot automatically? May 31 10:11:59 ah bootmenu back :P May 31 10:12:00 Shove -R on the end of your flasher-3.0 command line if you want it to reboot when it's finished flashing May 31 10:12:00 woo May 31 10:12:18 good to know you can fix breaking the kernel from an unbootable state :P May 31 10:12:58 Oh fuck, aptitiude compiled for Maemo using cs2007 toolchain May 31 10:33:20 * kkrusty ponders where he could get maemo-google-reader May 31 10:42:11 hi to all May 31 10:43:21 does anyone have luck running maemo5 beta on opensuse milestone 11.2? May 31 10:49:53 zaynyatyi, posting the concrete issues you have (e.g. errors) to pastebin.com might help May 31 10:50:12 but it's known that it's only tested on debian and ubuntu. you will likely have problems with fedora or suse... May 31 10:53:11 what's the easiest way to test android on n810? May 31 10:57:35 http://codepad.org/PkSZbpEC May 31 10:58:11 does it have to save the password as plaintext? May 31 10:58:41 Noma: there was an installer for android at one point May 31 10:59:07 i think that was quite old release? May 31 10:59:12 yup May 31 11:00:08 how about the harder way, does it need some "guru skills" to install and uninstall? May 31 11:00:52 have you thought about enabling copiz-effects on tablets by ecomorph of e17? May 31 11:01:17 http://code.google.com/p/itask-module/wiki/Stuff May 31 11:01:32 Noma: http://guug.org/nit/nitdroid/ has instructions as well as being the home of the most fullfeatured port May 31 11:01:50 thopiekar: ecomorph will not work with Xomap May 31 11:02:12 Meizirkki: :| May 31 11:02:45 thopiekar: but in Mer.. you can test if it works May 31 11:02:55 mer has software acceleration May 31 11:02:55 :P May 31 11:03:06 3D!? May 31 11:03:14 really slow May 31 11:03:24 but it's supported May 31 11:03:44 800x480 3D game is 2fps May 31 11:03:53 ... like maemo.. May 31 11:03:59 software acceleration is something that makes the hardware go faster May 31 11:04:27 think about the youtube vids about the playstation1 emu in maemo.. May 31 11:05:10 thopiekar: Xomap is faster that Xorg atm. but Xorg has OpenGL support :P May 31 11:05:22 via sw accel May 31 11:05:41 games like bzflag will not even start if using Xomap May 31 11:05:49 :| the damn thing a need for mixxx on maemo (tabletDJ).. May 31 11:05:54 Copenhagen is pretty cool May 31 11:06:26 Did you go see the mermaid? May 31 11:06:26 I hate it that nokia hasn't managed to enable opengl on tablets.. May 31 11:06:45 derf: nope , I did see Mer May 31 11:06:52 Good enough. May 31 11:07:29 Also saw/touched some next gen development units:p May 31 11:11:00 they are black. and pretty close to what I expected May 31 11:12:38 jeremiah_: http://drkscrtlv.livejournal.com/301585.html May 31 11:13:47 Thanks Pavlov! May 31 11:15:09 In an update that was posted a month after the initial discussion, Chrome developer Evan Martin described the Linux port as a "511MB executable that brings up an empty window. May 31 11:41:26 jeremiah_, ping (again), wherever you are :) May 31 11:43:55 andre__: he is up here in the 5th floor May 31 11:44:44 ah :) May 31 11:46:21 heh, another pim suite... May 31 11:54:59 Okay - I think we are going to do lightning talks now maemians May 31 12:07:55 is the wireless here mostly dead? :( May 31 12:10:31 Yeah, not great :( May 31 12:10:44 not great at all heh May 31 12:21:53 how do you show the on-screen keyboard manually? May 31 12:36:08 ok, so where's the wiji page for the coding competition? May 31 12:36:25 and who tooj my j jey May 31 12:55:56 hola May 31 13:34:12 So, running these apps on the fremantle device really gives you a nice impression :) May 31 13:34:25 Numptyphysics just flies! May 31 13:35:37 To be honest, I am pretty impressed with the new device. May 31 13:36:47 TEASERS May 31 13:36:52 i wonder if i posted in time on the developer contest page :P May 31 13:36:58 Myrtti: lol yeah, it is pretty cool :) May 31 13:37:14 Myrtti: could maybe actually port one of the needlessly 3d knitting apps :P May 31 13:37:20 I really like the cripness of the screen. May 31 13:37:32 meh May 31 13:37:42 The touch part is also a lot more accurate than the previous devices had. May 31 13:38:05 * Myrtti goes to some other channel, since not feeling very amiable today May 31 13:40:40 :( May 31 13:40:42 Typing on the keyboard also is easier than on N810. Even though the keys are a bit smaller. May 31 13:41:32 to be accurate, this isn't the new device, it's a development board, keep this in mind. May 31 13:41:52 yeah... dunno how the real keyboard will be... no one will even confirm that it HAS one May 31 13:42:04 stskeepsie: It only means that the actual device will be even better :) May 31 13:42:22 pretty sure it will tho... "unofficial info" says it will... but dunno if it will even be similar May 31 13:42:24 rm_you: the developer device should be feature complete. May 31 13:42:40 well it's a platform developer device, which makes sense May 31 13:42:54 No use testing a keybord when there will not be one in the end ;) May 31 13:42:55 i heard some *interesting* things on the keyboard topic... May 31 13:43:11 I thought the keyboard worked really well May 31 13:43:28 X-Fade: not testing the keyboard, using the keyboard for testing :P May 31 13:43:34 And the cursor keys placed on the right helped too :D May 31 13:43:42 Gaming! May 31 13:43:50 lol yeah... that's what i've heard bad things about May 31 13:44:12 esdx ftw May 31 13:44:30 Built in bacon aroma is a plus too. May 31 13:44:36