**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Jun 06 02:59:59 2009 Jun 06 03:54:05 $*(#&)$# Jun 06 03:54:11 wtf is with this? :/ Jun 06 03:54:14 BME won't let me boot Jun 06 03:54:16 piece of crap Jun 06 03:59:48 Stskeeps: plz help? :< Jun 06 04:03:27 "BME warning: ignored processwd PONG!" Jun 06 04:03:29 wtf is that Jun 06 04:04:22 crap Jun 06 04:04:25 it affects Maemo too Jun 06 04:04:33 I'm screwed? :/ Jun 06 04:07:45 fun, bootmenu's rescue mode is broken too Jun 06 04:07:52 except it just fails to start ssh Jun 06 04:07:53 -.- Jun 06 04:21:06 holy shit kde4 runs like shit on this intel Jun 06 04:21:16 there has to be something astray Jun 06 04:21:35 win7 doesn't run nearly as shitty when it comes to the 3D stuff Jun 06 04:21:47 Macer: help me :þ Jun 06 04:21:59 huh? Jun 06 04:22:14 my N810 won't boot Jun 06 04:22:18 maybe i can find a better driver for this shit Jun 06 04:22:23 it won't boot at all? Jun 06 04:22:26 nope Jun 06 04:22:28 like you bricked it or something? Jun 06 04:22:33 and bootmenu's rescue thing is screwed Jun 06 04:22:40 wasn't me, I swear Jun 06 04:22:40 wow.. bricked it huh? :) Jun 06 04:22:41 the blob did it Jun 06 04:22:45 sure it wasn't :) Jun 06 04:22:51 BME Jun 06 04:22:54 is responsible Jun 06 04:23:09 heh Jun 06 04:23:11 well Jun 06 04:23:20 i'm kind of working on getting this intel not to run like total shit Jun 06 04:23:23 in kubuntu Jun 06 04:23:24 :/ Jun 06 04:25:34 Macer: disabling DSME's watchdog should workaround it Jun 06 04:25:36 any idea how? Jun 06 04:26:01 huh? Jun 06 04:26:12 DSME's process watchdog is killing BME Jun 06 04:26:40 i dunno man. i haven't worked on my n800 in a very long time.. and i never bricked it. Jun 06 04:26:45 how far does it get when you turn it on? Jun 06 04:30:53 Macer: it starts booting Jun 06 04:33:31 luke-jr: Tried the RD-Mode flags? Jun 06 04:33:46 qwerty12_N810: that's what i was about to do.. Jun 06 04:33:58 but flasher @($*@# screwed up my desktop machine's host stack Jun 06 04:34:05 USB* Jun 06 04:34:11 so now I don't have USB until I reboot Jun 06 04:34:12 jerks Jun 06 04:34:49 guess I now have real-world examples of Nokia's idiot proprietaryness causing practical problems Jun 06 04:35:55 unless there's some other way to restart khubd? Jun 06 05:05:55 * RST38h moos at qwerty Jun 06 05:06:15 hi RST38h :) Jun 06 05:14:51 Hava http://woot.com/ Jun 06 05:24:10 wtf. i wonder why this intel945 is so damn slow in kde4 Jun 06 05:31:49 kde4 is probably slow by itself Jun 06 05:32:07 As it effectively turned itself into Windows Jun 06 05:33:41 Macer: turn off compositing? Jun 06 05:33:57 RST38h: haha Jun 06 05:34:06 Macer: also, stop using the Oxygen style Jun 06 05:34:13 i suppose so but as far as enviroments go it is a better choice Jun 06 05:34:20 luke-jr: but i want the 3d effects :) Jun 06 05:34:30 Macer: turn off Oxygen at least Jun 06 05:34:32 windows 7 runs like a dream on it Jun 06 05:34:48 which means the performance hit is somewhere in either X, linux, or kde4 Jun 06 05:35:10 probably KDE 4 or x Jun 06 05:35:32 or maybe the onboard video is just a total piece of shit ;) Jun 06 05:36:00 but windows 7 eliminated that possibility because it was running fairly well on the same box Jun 06 05:36:02 tbh, the X11 design is totally screwed up ☺ Jun 06 05:36:20 i wish i could dev Jun 06 05:36:25 so i could make a better system of gui :) Jun 06 05:36:28 I wish I had time. Jun 06 05:36:38 there has to be a better way than the server/client system Jun 06 05:37:12 no -.- Jun 06 05:37:18 that's not related to the problem Jun 06 05:37:20 haha Jun 06 05:37:32 its just overbuilding of xorg? :) Jun 06 05:37:46 the problem is that compositing is effectively client->server->client->server->display Jun 06 05:38:04 and the server is really dumb Jun 06 05:38:11 hm. damn i don't have ssh set up on it yet Jun 06 05:38:14 and osx was a bust Jun 06 05:38:18 toolkits should be on the server side Jun 06 05:38:21 maybe i should just try one of the premade dvds Jun 06 05:38:26 and see if i can get osx on it with that Jun 06 05:38:27 clients/apps should just transmit widget info Jun 06 05:39:30 i'm just going to try out osx86 again Jun 06 05:39:45 one last time with an older version of kalaway or something Jun 06 05:42:25 ipc osx86 looks rather promising Jun 06 06:47:02 whats this Mamona i just watched a youtube vid of? Jun 06 06:47:33 old stuff Jun 06 06:47:47 2009-05-15 - Mamona Installer 0.2.6 released - http://dev.openbossa.org/trac/mamona/wiki/Releases/0.2/MamonaInstaller for installation procedure. ? Jun 06 06:48:06 is it like mer , but different ppl and such? Jun 06 06:48:31 different view on the world i'd say. much of their work is interesting and used in mer Jun 06 06:48:36 but it's not really a consumer thing Jun 06 06:48:45 i like the virtual keyboard thingy in it Jun 06 06:48:53 its cool they used e17 and it looked nice ;p Jun 06 06:49:00 heh Jun 06 06:49:02 sort of at the top like in mer Jun 06 06:49:11 applet thingy to bring keyboard/take it away Jun 06 06:49:46 any embedded linux distribution will diverge towards using enlightenment, and then wither and fade away Jun 06 06:49:58 heh Jun 06 06:50:07 enlightenment got alot faster i heard Jun 06 06:50:12 started using assembly and stuff Jun 06 06:50:15 .. Jun 06 06:50:17 or something Jun 06 06:50:37 any coder will diverge towards the insanity of having assembly code in his C programs Jun 06 06:50:40 :P Jun 06 06:51:00 i dont understnad how anyone could write assembly Jun 06 06:52:47 http://franciscoalecrim.com/blog/2009/06/06/webkit-efl-running-on-n810/ ? Jun 06 06:52:54 ah, it's not difficult once you know how to Jun 06 06:53:39 yeah, webkit is fast :P Jun 06 06:53:45 whats efl ? Jun 06 06:53:58 enlightenment foundation libraries Jun 06 06:54:02 oh rightt Jun 06 06:54:13 cool Jun 06 06:54:20 oh i guess thats only helpful in enlightenment Jun 06 07:34:06 morning all Jun 06 07:34:21 morn Jun 06 07:40:19 lo crashanddie Jun 06 07:40:54 ello Jun 06 07:41:06 how goes? Jun 06 07:41:11 lmao Jun 06 07:41:19 the "Warning: #maemo is perilous for your job." is still on there Jun 06 07:41:54 Stskeeps, not too bad Jun 06 07:42:02 Stskeeps, about to go to the office though Jun 06 07:42:30 on a saturday? Jun 06 07:42:35 oh yeah Jun 06 07:42:39 and even tomorrow by the looks of it Jun 06 07:43:06 Didn't have you down as a workaholic :P Jun 06 07:43:21 ah, and i thought i was bad off reading for exams.. Jun 06 07:44:04 qwerty12, yeah actually I guess I quite am Jun 06 07:44:15 heh :) Jun 06 07:44:29 I had the Monday off Jun 06 07:44:54 and my calendar is telling me I'm already at 72 hours Jun 06 07:46:05 A good job is made out of 5 things Jun 06 07:47:05 1/ Pay 2/ Location (transport) 3/ People 4/ Actual work you're doing 5/ Place it allows you to live Jun 06 07:47:25 if you have 3 out of 5, you're on to a winner Jun 06 07:47:56 if you have 4 out of 5, that's quite amazing and very lucky, and if you have all 5, you'd be mad to even think about jumping sides Jun 06 07:48:51 I think i have like 3.5 Jun 06 07:49:31 mm, i still wonder where i would be after september Jun 06 07:49:35 qwerty12, plus, you're going to be the biggest of all in terms of workaholism Jun 06 07:49:42 ORLY? Jun 06 07:49:51 yeah Jun 06 07:49:59 seen how much you work for maemo/mer? Jun 06 07:50:08 :> Jun 06 07:50:36 qwerty12 has the mental ability to take a break though Jun 06 07:50:53 which i have difficulties with Jun 06 07:52:11 taking a break? Jun 06 07:52:15 that's not in my contract Jun 06 07:52:21 see, with the line of work I do Jun 06 07:52:25 I've come to realise Jun 06 07:52:34 that, sometimes I can ask my boss to have the day, or the weekend Jun 06 07:52:40 and sure, he'll grant it Jun 06 07:53:14 but damn, he never says "day off", or "weekend off", so if shit hits the fan, he WILL call until he gets a hold of me Jun 06 07:53:26 call or whatever necessary Jun 06 07:54:05 Buy a 3310 and chuck it in the river when you hear it ringing :) Jun 06 07:54:49 I'm actually trying to find the blackberry SDK, so that my BB automagically switches anyone from work to "THE DEVIL" when I tell it I'm on holiday Jun 06 07:59:23 well Jun 06 07:59:28 one last ditch effort for osx Jun 06 07:59:33 lmao: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CYC-WoQWmg#4m10s gotta love the rant Jun 06 07:59:33 THEN i give up :) Jun 06 07:59:52 lol Jun 06 07:59:57 kde4 runs like crap on this shuttl Jun 06 07:59:59 shuttle Jun 06 08:00:12 this doesn't work then it's win7 i suppose Jun 06 08:36:04 damnit Jun 06 08:36:15 all this time trying all these awkward things with a retail osx disc Jun 06 08:36:26 when i could have just used an iPC disc to install 10.5.6 Jun 06 08:36:35 what a waste of life :) Jun 06 08:42:18 Macer: :) Jun 06 08:42:32 aquatix: blah :) i wasted a whole day yesterday trying to use my retail osx dvd Jun 06 08:43:20 are sse3 and ssse3 different things? Jun 06 08:43:35 ssse3? don't know that one Jun 06 08:43:55 sse4_1? Jun 06 08:43:57 wtf? :) Jun 06 08:44:03 i'm just reading my linux cpuinfo Jun 06 08:44:07 so i don't mess up on this osx install Jun 06 08:44:25 it says if i am on amd or sse2 system i must choose a voodoo kernel Jun 06 08:44:26 wtf? :) Jun 06 08:44:38 black magic for the win Jun 06 08:46:22 wow like.. this is some serious osx hackery Jun 06 08:46:34 i mean these guys totally rewrote the osx install Jun 06 08:46:48 nice Jun 06 08:47:02 i mean .. it's like going through a linux kernel config haha Jun 06 08:47:34 hence voodoo ;) Jun 06 08:47:40 lol Jun 06 08:47:48 well.. i don't think it's actually modifying the kernel Jun 06 08:47:53 i think it just installs ktexts Jun 06 08:47:58 well.. :) Jun 06 08:48:08 ktext... one could only wonder what the k stands for Jun 06 08:48:08 heh Jun 06 08:48:59 does pci-e use agpart at all? Jun 06 08:49:33 crashanddie: ooooohkay... (@ that youtube link) Jun 06 08:49:44 @_ Jun 06 08:49:48 Macer: no sure Jun 06 08:49:48 :) Jun 06 08:50:40 *not Jun 06 09:00:05 welp.. let's see if this thing explodes Jun 06 09:00:16 if this works i might work on my artigo next.. i need to take debian off it Jun 06 09:00:24 and install something a little more "server" :) Jun 06 09:10:23 Macer: as in opensolaris or something? Jun 06 09:10:32 i rather like debian for server stuff myself Jun 06 09:11:55 blah Jun 06 09:11:59 install failed Jun 06 09:12:09 run preinstall script for 920SpeedStepKernel Jun 06 09:12:13 wtf? :) Jun 06 09:17:51 use a pocket handkerchief when you sneeze - dont be a virus vector - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3vICbXzjWw Jun 06 09:42:42 hello maemo Jun 06 09:51:38 hi wazd Jun 06 10:42:50 damnit Jun 06 10:42:58 i have tried every which way to get this stupid onboard thing working Jun 06 10:43:01 in osx Jun 06 10:43:12 everything works but the marvell that others seem to be able to get working and i have no idea wtf i am doing wrong Jun 06 10:43:54 and that's why I never bothered messing with hackintosh stuff :) Jun 06 10:44:42 heh Jun 06 10:44:47 it is driving me up a fucking wall man :) Jun 06 10:44:51 what.. the.. fuck Jun 06 10:44:59 heh Jun 06 10:45:00 it looks like it should be working but it simply isn't Jun 06 10:45:04 and i can't for the life of me find out why Jun 06 10:45:05 look at the logs? Jun 06 10:45:08 yes.... Jun 06 10:45:19 hey johnx did they let you back in the country then Jun 06 10:45:27 yup Jun 06 10:45:45 excellent :D Jun 06 10:45:54 getting through CPH security into the airport was actually more of a pain than getting back into the US Jun 06 10:46:01 heh Jun 06 10:46:14 though whoever thought reclining seats in coach class was a good idea should be forced to sit in one Jun 06 10:46:15 they were a bit efficient Jun 06 10:46:23 my pants nearly fell down when i had to take belt off Jun 06 10:46:24 wait Jun 06 10:46:28 there is something i hadn't noticed Jun 06 10:46:40 appleYukon2 ... failed to allocate msi interrupt Jun 06 10:47:01 probably some off the wall EFI vs BIOS IRQ handling stuff Jun 06 11:00:00 hi ,is there a way i.e can connect my repository to some other svn repository Jun 06 11:00:48 sorry, not exactly sure I understand what you're trying to do Jun 06 11:03:16 well just like we have linking of normal directories , what i want is that i link to some other repository such that any updates on it lead to an update on my repository Jun 06 11:17:43 amit_usual: That is going to freak svn out. Jun 06 11:18:17 svn is centralized, do and 'svn info' to find out what your svn instance is reading. Jun 06 11:18:28 "It should be noted that while infected individuals don't casually choose to use non-rhyming words, they are able to and the consequences may be deadly. At the request of the cleaning crews assigned to clean up the blood, researchers are strongly discouraged from similar experiments." Jun 06 11:18:54 well. guess i'll try this realtek 8139 Jun 06 11:19:07 ah, good old rtl8139 Jun 06 11:19:22 my first ethernet card :) Jun 06 11:20:59 jeremiah_torp, but you can fetch a external svn repo, without any problem Jun 06 11:21:40 VDVsx: Well of course, just start a new repo. Jun 06 11:22:04 If amit_usual is trying to merge, he will have to do that by hand. :P Jun 06 11:22:12 Which is fine, just seems pointless. Jun 06 11:22:19 jeremiah_torp, is a common practice, when you have some dependencies in other project under development Jun 06 11:23:09 I thought he was talking about _linking_? Jun 06 11:23:21 as in ln -s ? Jun 06 11:24:21 Hm, is git already in fremantle? It appears to be in my SDK. :) Jun 06 11:25:05 No - I think there is some confusion. Jun 06 11:26:04 jeremiah_torp, yes, but he don't want it for sure :P Jun 06 11:29:10 jeremiah_torp: theres a devkit in sb Jun 06 11:30:25 johnx: haha Jun 06 11:30:35 dwell... i'm trying to get this damn marvell to work still Jun 06 11:30:40 the realtek just simply worked Jun 06 11:30:59 are you really doing something that benefits from gigabit ethernet? Jun 06 11:31:08 yes Jun 06 11:31:15 i am pretty sure i will be moving large files between the two Jun 06 11:31:33 i wasn't able to get a 8169 working though for some sickly reason Jun 06 11:32:04 and the onboard marvell isn't either Jun 06 11:32:06 it sucks man :-\ Jun 06 11:32:44 so what's the killer app on mac os x that you need so badly? or just enjoying hacking around? Jun 06 11:33:00 osx is nicer on this than win7 Jun 06 11:33:50 I just think there's so much difference between the hackintosh osx experience and the "mac" osx experience Jun 06 11:34:48 Stskeeps: Yeah, that devkit lokks like a bunch O' good stuff Jun 06 11:35:04 Macer: Is it that marvel sheeva plug? Jun 06 11:35:06 Macer, couldn't really see how it would be worth it, but to each his own I guess Jun 06 11:35:42 Oh no, its not. :P Jun 06 11:35:58 And I think I should say Marvell, not marvel. Jun 06 11:36:21 huh? Jun 06 11:36:37 mmm sheeva plug looks delicious Jun 06 11:36:43 but so does the openrd-client Jun 06 11:36:43 johnx: it's actually pretty nice Jun 06 11:36:57 i have the 8139 working in it now but i really hate having that gbit one just sitting there Jun 06 11:37:16 Macer, just like linux: it's a nice experience on hardware that it works well with and a constant battle in all other cases Jun 06 11:37:24 heh Jun 06 11:37:27 it's just a network card Jun 06 11:37:38 and obviously other people have been able to get it working i just have no idea how :) Jun 06 11:38:03 just don't come crying to me when you let software update run and it leaves your machine unbootable Jun 06 11:38:06 :P Jun 06 11:38:18 lol Jun 06 11:38:22 speaking of which......... Jun 06 11:38:26 no i'm not going to do that just yet :) Jun 06 11:38:28 haha Jun 06 11:39:19 johnx: Wha? Debian works flawlessly on 8 architectures, 12 if you a willing to use 'unofficial' arches. Jun 06 11:39:43 Linux works on more hardware than other toy OSes. :P Jun 06 11:40:00 even netbsd? Jun 06 11:40:01 and hardware that's only supported be creaky proprietary drivers that no one wants to touch still sucks Jun 06 11:40:24 I can guarantee I can find machines that will run more stably in windows than linux Jun 06 11:40:27 johnx: That is mostly be design. Jun 06 11:40:31 lol Jun 06 11:40:35 s/be/by/ Jun 06 11:40:35 jeremiah_torp meant: johnx: That is mostly by design. Jun 06 11:40:35 and I don't by that hardware anymore Jun 06 11:40:43 s/by/buy Jun 06 11:40:44 ok. i'm totally at a loss Jun 06 11:40:48 i have no idea how to get this working Jun 06 11:40:59 there is one last thing i can try and just pray it doesn't break the box Jun 06 11:41:04 and if it does fuck it.. i'll go back to win7 Jun 06 11:41:11 Macer: Can you use a serial console to see the boot messages from the network card? Jun 06 11:41:15 although. i do think i found out why kubuntu was going so slow Jun 06 11:41:26 jeremiah_torp: boot messages from the network card? :) Jun 06 11:41:34 Its Kubuntu? Jun 06 11:41:35 i can look at system.log and see why it's breaking Jun 06 11:41:36 heh Jun 06 11:41:39 no.. osx Jun 06 11:42:12 Macer: Yeah, at boot time there are often some messages, at least Broadcom likes to spit out some data which may or may not be useful. Jun 06 11:42:21 * johnx sleeps Jun 06 11:42:37 well.. the only thing i got on this last boot was that it was changing the ktext of teh Yukon2 card Jun 06 11:42:44 i'm still trying to figure out how to get this damn onboard crap to work Jun 06 11:42:44 But I guess since you have the system logs you don't need boot messages. Jun 06 11:42:57 although.. i thin i figured out why kubuntu was going so slow Jun 06 11:43:10 the dynamic video stuff wasn't set to "fixed" in the bios :) Jun 06 11:43:22 that sounds like something that would make a video card go slower Jun 06 11:43:33 especially if it wasn't supported properly Jun 06 11:57:38 ok. think it is time to give up on this Jun 06 12:17:16 ehlo wazd Jun 06 12:17:19 how are things Jun 06 12:17:38 blah. well. looks like i am stuck with this realtek 100mbit card Jun 06 12:17:54 i can't get this onboard card working Jun 06 12:26:53 hello Jun 06 12:27:22 silence? Jun 06 12:27:34 yeah Jun 06 12:28:03 well, it's Saturday... Jun 06 12:37:34 hola Jun 06 12:38:22 hi lopz Jun 06 12:38:46 heya Meiz_n810 ! Jun 06 13:01:14 Hi there Jun 06 13:05:09 too bad that 2 of my new n810 is died, anyone .... ? i think durability is very bad Jun 06 13:06:13 You bought multiple N810's ? Jun 06 13:06:22 And two of them have died? Jun 06 13:06:30 if they are new you still have warranty left? :) Jun 06 13:13:45 Seems like nokia only has 12 month warranty over there though :( Jun 06 16:11:11 Doing a scp of a video file, the N810 reboots before finishing the transfer. Any ideas of what's going wrong? Jun 06 16:15:53 Maemo @ GSoC meeting in about 40min at #maemo-gsoc, everyone is welcome. We will discuss the status of the projects Jun 06 16:17:16 i guess i'll pitch in, my ideas of maemo world domination goes fine along with the OE project ;) Jun 06 16:24:07 n6pfk, no idea, try increasing log level and looking at logs Jun 06 16:25:07 How do I increase log levels? Jun 06 16:25:50 What log file should look at? Jun 06 16:34:21 * Stskeeps yawns Jun 06 17:23:56 I'm baack =) Jun 06 17:24:37 qwerty12, ing? Jun 06 17:25:29 anyone know offhand what size torx you need to disassemble the n800? Jun 06 17:35:43 * RST38h yawns Jun 06 17:36:50 Done watching Fringe Jun 06 17:38:05 hehe Jun 06 17:38:10 season end? Jun 06 17:38:25 yep Jun 06 17:39:09 It is kinda fun although does not quite reach SU2 or SCP level of schizophrenia Jun 06 17:41:44 hehe Jun 06 17:42:51 The phrase "Can we for once have a *human* perpetrator?" lifted from SU2. Jun 06 18:00:49 SU2 = ? Jun 06 18:02:47 jaska: Special Unit 2, a short lived show similar to Fringe Jun 06 18:25:37 hi Jun 06 18:27:04 where will the councill be? "Public Maemo Community Council Meeting" sounds like this will take place anywhere or something like a voip-conference.. Jun 06 18:27:21 irc probably Jun 06 18:27:43 the maemo.org site says #maemo-meeting Jun 06 18:28:05 but isn't there a better place / platform? Jun 06 18:28:12 nop Jun 06 18:28:15 k Jun 06 18:28:20 logged, transcribed, etc in one place Jun 06 18:28:51 Monday, 8 June 2009, at 13:30 UTC .. is it 13:30 European time? Jun 06 18:29:45 UTC is GMT .. with some seconds difference Jun 06 18:30:49 Which isn't the same as BST, which is what the brits are currently on :) Jun 06 18:31:15 ShadowJK, BST is GMT+1 now Jun 06 18:31:40 isn't it always? :) Jun 06 18:31:59 ShadowJK, not in the summer Jun 06 18:32:08 what? Jun 06 18:32:25 BST is always GMT+1, surely Jun 06 18:32:29 where is germany ? gmt+1? Jun 06 18:32:36 gmt+2 Jun 06 18:32:50 germany is CET Jun 06 18:33:08 so the council will be for me at 15:30? Jun 06 18:33:19 VDVsx, germany is CEST Jun 06 18:33:25 in winter it's CET Jun 06 18:33:46 summer and wintertime.. Jun 06 18:34:20 ShadowJK, sure now is gmt+2 in germany :) Jun 06 18:35:05 so i'm right that the council will be at 15:30 at GMT+2[Germany] ? Jun 06 18:35:34 thopiekar, I think so :) Jun 06 18:35:55 I lucky that I will not be at school.. Jun 06 18:36:20 I'm very interested in this discussion.. Jun 06 18:37:02 thopiekar, but you can confirm the time here: http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?month=6&day=8&year=2009&hour=13&min=30&sec=0&p1=0 Jun 06 18:37:46 thanks VDVsx Jun 06 18:38:33 about communication... the very important thing is the style of the talk.maemo.org-forum (itt).. since the merging with maemo.org I'm just confused for the new style.. Jun 06 18:38:51 hopely we will talk about that tomorrow.. Jun 06 18:39:16 because I don't think that i'm the only one here.. Jun 06 18:39:25 i'm not* Jun 06 18:39:26 xD Jun 06 19:36:34 lbt: http://live.prooo-box.org/de/misc/xray/XrayTool52_en.zip Jun 06 19:37:01 wrong chan, but right person ;) Jun 06 19:57:29 I can't make wireless work on Smart Q7, any idea? Jun 06 19:58:11 qwerty12_N810: ta... Jun 06 19:58:43 kekegg: mer ? Jun 06 19:59:44 Yes Jun 06 20:00:02 go to #mer Jun 06 20:00:06 and ask there :) Jun 06 20:00:12 OK, thanks Jun 06 21:34:10 bbl Jun 06 22:12:39 i'm wondering if i shoul deven bother still trying to get this gbit nic working Jun 06 22:13:11 you're still working on it? Jun 06 22:13:19 naw. i fell asleep for a while Jun 06 22:13:27 ate... now i'm going to take a shower Jun 06 22:13:42 it really sucks because it is the only thing left to fix :) Jun 06 22:13:53 other than that it's a pretty perfectly working osx install Jun 06 22:14:27 backup, then run a software upgrade Jun 06 22:14:38 i doubt a software upgrade will work Jun 06 22:14:49 well.. at least for the nic Jun 06 22:14:57 ah, that's not what I meant :) Jun 06 22:15:00 even the realtek doesn't work Jun 06 22:15:08 I just wanted to see if it would mess up your machine or not :D Jun 06 22:15:19 well.. if i can't get this nic working i might go back to win Jun 06 22:15:27 so screw it... lets find out ;) Jun 06 22:17:59 let me back the kernel up at least ;) Jun 06 22:18:07 then i'll upgrade it and see how it goes Jun 06 22:21:45 what's really strange is this linksys card which is a realtek 8169 doesn't seem to want to work either Jun 06 22:21:53 i would accept that..but this 100mbit card is just too slow Jun 06 22:59:18 i have a new host :) http://b-man.psykosis.net wohoo!! Jun 06 23:07:05 lo Jun 06 23:08:06 evening Jaffa Jun 06 23:08:17 back from your coffee hunt Jun 06 23:09:34 yeah Jun 06 23:09:52 wicked, how was it Jun 06 23:09:59 and can we expect it on tablets lol Jun 06 23:10:13 Trying to resist the urge to buy a MacBook air, which I can ill-afford, from the Apple store down the street Jun 06 23:10:24 Last night in SF tonight Jun 06 23:10:32 yeah, what part of it are you liking? Jun 06 23:11:09 i suppose thou if you do get it, you will be showing off at the airport Jun 06 23:11:19 "yes, please scan my lovely new shiny *thin* machine Jun 06 23:11:36 "sure, ill pull it out of this envelope for you to check" Jun 06 23:11:54 Lightweight, good for travelling when I don't want to take my big bulky work laptop Jun 06 23:12:07 whats the screensize on it? Jun 06 23:12:34 Rover's hardly going to be good for further hacking on the move; so get a larger device for that Jun 06 23:12:36 and it works if you have a case style that suits, if i were just carrying something it would be smaller Jun 06 23:12:40 13", I think Jun 06 23:13:15 Just tried finding a Dell Mini 9 to buy cheap, but not many computer stores in central SF, it seems Jun 06 23:13:16 handheld on the move is good, but i miss computer at the other end Jun 06 23:13:23 * Jaffa nods Jun 06 23:13:45 in cph there were entire metro stations kitted out in dell Jun 06 23:13:52 wall to wall dell adverts Jun 06 23:13:53 Maybe an ARM netbook at some point this year; bujt I want to do some hacking *now* ;-) Jun 06 23:13:55 it was freaky Jun 06 23:14:09 yeah we all like hacking on sometihng Jun 06 23:15:24 liqbase runs so well on the new nokia, when i saw it scroll at cph it was a dream :D Jun 06 23:15:41 * lcuk asked a nokian to slow it down Jun 06 23:16:08 hi Jun 06 23:16:15 Jaffa, so anything interesting actually announced Jun 06 23:16:19 hi parigaudi Jun 06 23:16:41 lcuk: Some stuff from Larry Ellison on Oracle's plans for Sun Jun 06 23:17:02 hello, parigaudi Jun 06 23:17:43 lcuk: But mostly just lots of interesting stuff, which'd be cool to be able to do on the Nokias; or I just wanna hack on Jun 06 23:17:48 anything mentioned on the android front, they are pretty much intertwined now arent they Jun 06 23:19:09 lcuk: Lots of Google web stuff, but not much Android presence that I saw. More focus on the "standard" JavaME Jun 06 23:19:37 fair enough, theres certainly plenty of java interest and mostly jobs around for it Jun 06 23:19:54 any idea whether the next device will support the java instructions Jun 06 23:19:59 or even if they will exist on the chip Jun 06 23:20:06 its the sort of q GAN Would answer lol Jun 06 23:20:14 I dunno; would be excellent if they did Jun 06 23:20:23 yeah im thinkin that too Jun 06 23:20:35 jazelle! Jun 06 23:20:38 i think lol Jun 06 23:20:43 Dev tools are so much better and free Jun 06 23:20:48 its something we havent really touched on for this device Jun 06 23:21:00 and what might i ask is wrong with gcc Jun 06 23:21:04 lardman tried rev. engineering them Jun 06 23:21:09 its the autotools which make it tiresome lol Jun 06 23:21:24 * lcuk curses more at them Jun 06 23:21:30 i have a package for the library btw! Jun 06 23:21:37 lcuk: I like breakpointing my code, inspecting all the variables and chaning it on the fly *whilst it is running* Jun 06 23:21:42 and im atm tryiing to squash the app into one as well Jun 06 23:21:44 cool! Jun 06 23:21:55 heh jaffa, thats visual basic Jun 06 23:21:59 s/it/the executing code/ Jun 06 23:22:08 lcuk: Yeah, but a real lang ;-) Jun 06 23:22:14 but when i tried it with visual studio . compact Jun 06 23:22:15 * Jaffa goes for a wander... Jun 06 23:22:23 heh ok Jun 06 23:22:55 you will have to show me proper nice targetted dev on embedded systems one day :) Jun 06 23:23:03 let us see what we are missing Jun 06 23:32:05 what calendar application is the best for maemo? Jun 06 23:32:37 liqbase! Jun 06 23:33:15 parigaudi, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vt7qB37sLLo Jun 06 23:35:14 looks cool Jun 06 23:36:11 yeah and its gonna get better and better :) Jun 06 23:39:23 parigaudi, theres a whole list of suitable PIM like apps on the maemo wiki Jun 06 23:39:32 with pros and cons of each Jun 06 23:40:25 https://wiki.maemo.org/Task:PIM Jun 06 23:43:28 ok thx lcuk Jun 07 00:03:20 java ????? Jun 07 00:03:41 hm? Jun 07 00:04:32 how do i install Jun 07 00:04:47 assuming i have the file Jun 07 00:04:53 smackpotato: Google 'jalimo' Jun 07 00:05:03 Assuming you have what file? Jun 07 00:05:19 1 sec Jun 07 00:06:47 ejre-1_6_0_10-linux-armv6-vfp-eabi-eval.tar.gz Jun 07 00:06:52 ah, btw, i will hopefully be releasing the Ejscript javascript web application framework for maemo soon Jun 07 00:07:22 cool Jun 07 00:07:27 b-man16: A bit like the old iJS for doing iPhone web apps? Jun 07 00:07:30 i've been testing it and so far it works flawlessly Jun 07 00:07:43 cool Jun 07 00:07:44 kinda Jun 07 00:07:59 it even compiled flawlessly :D Jun 07 00:08:01 smackpotato: Oh, the Sun embedded JRE time-limited eval? (in no way Hildon integrated) Jun 07 00:08:50 smackpotato: 'tar xzf' in some dir Jun 07 00:08:52 Ejscript also supports jquery ;) Jun 07 00:09:40 and has the capability to run bite compiled javascript va a virtual machine Jun 07 00:10:45 pluse it has a built in webserver :D Jun 07 00:10:50 byte* Jun 07 00:11:14 * b-man16 grabs a testing link Jun 07 00:11:27 http://b-man.psykosis.net/ejs-bin-0.9.9-3-debian-LINUX-armv6l.deb Jun 07 00:11:43 dpkg -i that in maemo Jun 07 00:11:51 cd to ~/ Jun 07 00:11:56 * luke-jr notes js != java Jun 07 00:12:38 hold on.. /me grabs more instructions Jun 07 00:13:12 run 'ejsweb -v generate app blog' Jun 07 00:13:25 open microb Jun 07 00:13:47 and go to http://localhost:4000/ Jun 07 00:14:00 and your in :) Jun 07 00:15:06 oh, wait, before opening microb, run 'ejsweb run' ;) Jun 07 00:17:00 about java? Jun 07 00:17:13 it's a pritty nice environment :) Jun 07 00:17:31 how come i dont get it Jun 07 00:18:12 or am i thick Jun 07 00:21:08 smackpotato1: b-man16's not talking about Java Jun 07 00:21:18 k Jun 07 00:21:38 see i am thick Jun 07 00:30:42 can anyone help me install embeded java Jun 07 00:31:20 so i untared it to root Jun 07 00:31:37 runtared it to user rather Jun 07 00:31:41 sounds like a horrible idea Jun 07 00:32:09 hehe Jun 07 00:32:14 ran it in root and it said vm not installed Jun 07 00:34:03 * b-man16 hates his unstable connection Jun 07 00:34:06 is it Java SE or Jailmo? Jun 07 00:34:10 smackpotato1: It's intended for prospective Sun OEMs Jun 07 00:34:19 java se Jun 07 00:34:26 b-man16: Sun's Java SE Embedded Jun 07 00:34:34 ah Jun 07 00:34:54 so i should leave it alone Jun 07 00:34:55 i had trubble with that too :( Jun 07 00:35:04 smackpotato1: What do you want to do? Jun 07 00:35:30 it requires you to set the library path Jun 07 00:36:01 what about library permitions Jun 07 00:36:38 do you have a readme in the jse directory? Jun 07 00:37:03 can i set the path in the command line without setting the enviroment path Jun 07 00:37:29 yes Jun 07 00:37:32 ok thanks ill go play Jun 07 00:38:45 * b-man16 grabs a good guide for setting up Java SE Jun 07 00:40:44 no only a bin and lib directory Jun 07 00:41:48 hmm, i can't find the guide :( try googling "How to set environment variables for Java SE" Jun 07 00:42:43 * GAN8001 yawns Jun 07 00:42:46 there arn't any files? 0.o Jun 07 00:43:24 nope Jun 07 00:44:40 there should be Jun 07 00:44:54 hmm :( Jun 07 00:45:45 did you get this from their site? - witch version did you get? Jun 07 00:46:24 did you get this from their site? - witch version did you get? Jun 07 00:46:45 * b-man16 really hates his unstable connection Jun 07 00:49:51 WTF? Pressing 'Chr' just re-enabled the (disabled) word completion bar. Jun 07 00:51:44 i got it from suns site Jun 07 00:52:21 but witch version did you get? Jun 07 00:53:51 ejre-1_6_0_10-linux-armv6-vfp-eabi-eval.tar.gz Jun 07 00:54:21 hmm Jun 07 00:54:26 Jaffa, it loaded the bar for alternative chars Jun 07 00:54:32 i think it goes away again after a whil;e Jun 07 00:56:56 thanks Jun 07 00:56:58 smackpotato1: did you look in the /bin or /lib directory? Jun 07 00:56:59 lcuk: neverr happened before :-( Jun 07 00:56:59 (in /ejre* ) Jun 07 00:57:24 ooer, must be proximity to a mac store thats makin it more funky ;) Jun 07 00:58:17 missed that last line Jun 07 00:58:39 * smackpotato1 (n=user@bas1-toronto26-1176397083.dsl.bell.ca) has left #maemo Jun 07 00:58:42 ;) Jun 07 00:58:55 heh Jun 07 01:22:09 morning **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Jun 07 02:59:57 2009