**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Jun 07 02:59:57 2009
Jun 07 03:12:47 <timeless_mbp> andre__: have you tried importing https://bugs.maemo.org/attachment.cgi?id=680 ?
Jun 07 03:29:03 <n6pfk> I was complaining that my N810 was rebooting during a "sdc" to it.  I was transferring to an external memory card.  Transferring to internal memory worked and changing the external card for another worked.
Jun 07 03:29:22 <n6pfk> Pardonme an "SCP" to it.
Jun 07 03:29:36 <luke-jr> 'scp'
Jun 07 03:29:54 <n6pfk> secure copy.  Open ssh.
Jun 07 03:30:01 <luke-jr> exactly
Jun 07 03:30:03 <luke-jr> it's scp
Jun 07 03:30:04 <luke-jr> :þ
Jun 07 03:30:22 <n6pfk> So it was a bad memory card.
Jun 07 03:30:46 <n6pfk> Or at least one the N810 didn't like.
Jun 07 03:35:11 <ShadowJK> run fsck on it?
Jun 07 03:39:22 <n6pfk> Ok.
Jun 07 03:50:36 <diega> Hi all, are there images for n770 for mer > 0.12 somewhere?
Jun 07 03:51:54 <diega> ups, autoanswer  #  Rest will come (770, Beagleboard, Pocket Loox) once we can build their kernels in OBS.
Jun 07 04:00:02 <brankinhu> bolaum, hey man... was you who spoke about an IM client for canola in the maemo-developers??
Jun 07 04:39:41 <bobpaul> gui samba client?
Jun 07 04:40:54 <bobpaul> no?
Jun 07 04:55:34 <bobpaul> http://wiki.maemo.org/Accessing_Windows_CIFS says it should be automatic. im using latest os and shareed folders don't appear in filemanager :(
Jun 07 06:24:03 <RST38h> qwerty
Jun 07 06:39:29 <zakkm> does anyone know why im getting the compact-theme not found thingy, from trying to update mediabox?
Jun 07 06:40:44 <zakkm> oh nevermind i can get that manually
Jun 07 06:51:23 <minra> would the "Tear" author please fix copy/paste?
Jun 07 06:51:34 <zakkm> minra: its broken?
Jun 07 06:51:44 <minra> yes
Jun 07 06:51:53 <RST38h> minra: report it in the Tear thread on itt
Jun 07 06:52:06 <zakkm> im not the author, but its always seemed fine for me
Jun 07 06:52:17 <minra> you can copy/paste?
Jun 07 06:52:33 <zakkm> yeah
Jun 07 06:52:41 <minra> strange
Jun 07 06:53:03 <zakkm> you use 0.3.1 ?
Jun 07 06:53:42 <qwerty12_N810> i've found that it copies and pastes better on my n800 then it does on here :\
Jun 07 06:53:46 <qwerty12_N810> moo RST38h
Jun 07 06:53:50 <minra> 0.3
Jun 07 06:54:03 <zakkm> minra: copy paste came in 0.3.1 ..
Jun 07 06:54:20 <zakkm> or broke and then fixed in 0.3.1 maybe
Jun 07 06:54:40 <ShadowJK> also I think copy/paste from webpages worked but not from/to addressbar
Jun 07 06:54:55 <minra> Reading state information... Done
Jun 07 06:54:55 <zakkm> no he fixed that
Jun 07 06:55:02 <minra> newest version
Jun 07 06:55:02 <zakkm> ShadowJK: he fixed that
Jun 07 06:55:10 <zakkm> minra: it says 0.3 ?
Jun 07 06:55:11 <Zaqq> hi. can i run a JAVA AWT based trading terminal on maemo?
Jun 07 06:55:21 <zakkm> minra: diablo?
Jun 07 06:55:26 <minra> apt-cache show shows 2.3
Jun 07 06:55:28 <minra> 3.0
Jun 07 06:55:32 <minra> yes
Jun 07 06:55:37 <zakkm> minra: http://bundyo.org/maemo/tear/tear-0.3.1-2_armel.deb
Jun 07 06:55:53 <zakkm> open deb from menu in application manager
Jun 07 06:55:58 <zakkm> or double click on deb on tablet
Jun 07 06:55:59 <minra> Linux Nokia-N810-43-7 2.6.21-omap1 #2 Tue Oct 14 11:25:25 EEST 2008 armv6l
Jun 07 06:56:05 <minra> ok ty!
Jun 07 06:56:29 <zakkm> does anyone know why stomp mario game wont work for me anymore?
Jun 07 06:56:37 <zakkm> or know the terminal command for it rather
Jun 07 06:57:17 <minra> what game?
Jun 07 06:57:19 <minra> smw?
Jun 07 06:57:24 <zakkm> yeah
Jun 07 06:57:45 <zakkm> oh hah thats the command
Jun 07 06:57:46 <minra> i forgot.. try smw
Jun 07 06:57:54 <minra> :)
Jun 07 06:58:01 <zakkm> ah man gotta reinstall
Jun 07 06:58:20 <minra> im afraid that may not go to extras
Jun 07 06:58:39 <zakkm> what wont?
Jun 07 06:58:39 <minra> copyright issues
Jun 07 06:58:42 <minra> smw
Jun 07 06:58:54 <zakkm> i dont care :p
Jun 07 07:00:38 <minra> im impressed you can play it
Jun 07 07:00:46 <minra> quite timing sensitive
Jun 07 07:01:13 <zakkm> heh i wanted to show a friend it
Jun 07 07:01:15 <minra> i hope next nokias can do ad-hoc gaming via bluetooth
Jun 07 07:01:16 <zakkm> and it wouldnt play
Jun 07 07:01:32 <minra> smw needs 2p
Jun 07 07:01:40 <zakkm> no
Jun 07 07:01:43 <zakkm> computer?
Jun 07 07:01:45 <zakkm> AI
Jun 07 07:01:47 <minra> well
Jun 07 07:02:28 <minra> i would prefer fighting people using an equally difficult dpad
Jun 07 07:03:20 <minra> speaking of which, uqm needs a difficulty slider for space combat
Jun 07 07:03:56 <minra> possibly via fps reduction
Jun 07 07:04:15 <zakkm> is tear working?
Jun 07 07:04:25 <minra> testing..
Jun 07 07:05:55 <ShadowJK> I don't see why it couldn't do ad-hoc gaming via bluetooth as-is..
Jun 07 07:05:59 <minra> yes, c/p workinga
Jun 07 07:06:01 <minra> !
Jun 07 07:06:12 <zakkm> and speedups and such :P
Jun 07 07:06:47 <minra> how can a proggy setup bt network ShadowJK
Jun 07 07:07:01 <minra> very nice.  so happy
Jun 07 07:07:20 <ShadowJK> There's bluez on N8x0, right
Jun 07 07:07:26 <minra> yes
Jun 07 07:07:49 <minra> maybe someone has done this already
Jun 07 07:08:38 <qwerty12_N810> there's a thread on PAN @ itt/tmo
Jun 07 07:09:32 <ShadowJK> do you really need PAN for that?
Jun 07 07:10:46 <ShadowJK> though I suppose it'd help if the game already support p2p tcp/ip multiplayer
Jun 07 07:11:02 <qwerty12_N810> maybe, if they don't support bluetooth but network play. but at least you get an ip :)
Jun 07 07:11:13 <thux> btw is bt-radio and wifi radio chips related to each other? have noticed bad effect on wifi when turn bt off
Jun 07 07:11:53 <zakkm> wooh the new mediabox is nice :D
Jun 07 07:12:22 <zakkm> heh why'd canola development stop?
Jun 07 07:15:06 <ShadowJK> thux, they share the same antenna and share the same radio band.. turning off bluetooth should have a good effect on wifi..
Jun 07 07:15:53 <thux> ShadowJK: ok, strange then that i got opposite results
Jun 07 07:16:06 <ShadowJK> indeed
Jun 07 07:16:17 <thux> but i test some more
Jun 07 07:18:52 <minra> new tear is very, very fast!
Jun 07 07:18:59 <zakkm> is it?
Jun 07 07:32:23 <minra> tear copy-from-url-field still broken
Jun 07 07:32:35 <minra> can not c/p my current page
Jun 07 07:33:15 <minra> http://www.axis.com/products/cam_212/show.htm
Jun 07 07:33:27 <minra> hmm but copy link from page works
Jun 07 07:34:59 <zakkm> minra: uhh
Jun 07 07:35:15 <zakkm> works for me?
Jun 07 07:35:56 <Macer> zakkm: heh.. never got the gbit ethernet working. did get everything else going though
Jun 07 07:35:59 <zakkm> you use the button in the virtual keyboard?
Jun 07 07:36:04 <Macer> i gave up :)
Jun 07 07:36:16 <zakkm> Macer: wait
Jun 07 07:36:19 <Macer> i did get an older realtek to work
Jun 07 07:36:20 <minra> no - highlighted current url, then edit-copy
Jun 07 07:36:21 <Macer> 100mbit
Jun 07 07:36:21 <zakkm> the realtek one or the marvell one?
Jun 07 07:36:27 <Macer> both gbit ones didn't work
Jun 07 07:36:33 <zakkm> so everything marvell didnt work?
Jun 07 07:36:35 <zakkm> but realtek did?
Jun 07 07:36:37 <Macer> i tried an 8169 and the onboard
Jun 07 07:36:42 <Macer> only the 100mbit realtek worked
Jun 07 07:36:57 <zakkm> you could get a better kext / mess with network strings
Jun 07 07:37:04 <Macer> oh screw that.. i tried that all day
Jun 07 07:37:13 <Macer> but the sound/video/hd booting.. i got working
Jun 07 07:37:18 <zakkm> heh awesome
Jun 07 07:37:21 <Macer> but i need the gbit ;) 100mbit isn't that good
Jun 07 07:37:21 <zakkm> not good enough though?
Jun 07 07:37:34 <Macer> it would have been perfect if the gbit worked
Jun 07 07:37:48 <Macer> although this time i just used the iPC 10.5.6 install DVD with the modded install
Jun 07 07:37:58 <zakkm> heh
Jun 07 07:38:02 <zakkm> so much easier ;p
Jun 07 07:38:04 <Macer> but even using their ktext drivers (which worked for everything else) i couldn't get the networking going
Jun 07 07:38:19 <zakkm> did you goto customize and goto networking?
Jun 07 07:38:21 <Macer> like the video and the sound came off them.. but for some reason the nic just wouldn't work
Jun 07 07:38:23 <zakkm> you could just do all..
Jun 07 07:38:33 <Macer> install all the drivers? :)
Jun 07 07:38:36 <zakkm> yeah
Jun 07 07:38:49 <Macer> i was thinking about doing that but i just said screw it and put linux on it
Jun 07 07:38:50 <zakkm> for network thats fine, not video though
Jun 07 07:38:56 <zakkm> ew :D
Jun 07 07:38:56 <Macer> heh.. i'm working on installing opensolaris on my artigo now
Jun 07 07:39:01 <Macer> i know it kinda sucks :)
Jun 07 07:39:11 <Macer> that modified install is great though
Jun 07 07:39:17 <zakkm> never tried opensolaris i think
Jun 07 07:39:18 <Macer> they obviously did quite a bit of work on it
Jun 07 07:39:24 <Macer> it's a bitch ;)
Jun 07 07:39:29 <Macer> it's great once you get it working though
Jun 07 07:39:30 <zakkm> heh
Jun 07 07:39:33 <Macer> at least for a server it is
Jun 07 07:39:39 <Macer> for desktop use it totally sucks
Jun 07 07:39:46 <zakkm> done alot of distro using/exploring over the years... still remember redhat 9 :D
Jun 07 07:39:54 <zakkm> but think i skipped opensolaris
Jun 07 07:39:55 <Macer> heh
Jun 07 07:40:02 <Macer> i really do wish that osx worked on this shuttle box
Jun 07 07:40:07 <Macer> if only the onboard lan worked i'd be a happy camper :)
Jun 07 07:40:11 <zakkm> redhat 9 is olddd :P considering my current age ;)
Jun 07 07:40:18 <zakkm> heh
Jun 07 07:41:18 <Macer> ah well :)
Jun 07 07:41:22 <Macer> maybe i'll try again some day
Jun 07 07:41:28 <Macer> what really suprises me is the realtek didn't work
Jun 07 07:41:37 <zakkm> you selected realtek8169 ?
Jun 07 07:41:45 <Macer> yah
Jun 07 07:41:57 <Macer> the chip says 8169S
Jun 07 07:42:04 <Macer> wonder if the S had anything to do with it
Jun 07 07:42:06 <zakkm> well thats different ;p
Jun 07 07:42:15 <Macer> the marvell kept giving me an MSI error
Jun 07 07:42:17 <Macer> is it?
Jun 07 07:42:24 <Macer> they didn't have 8169S in the list
Jun 07 07:42:35 <zakkm> that would use the rtl8111 driver
Jun 07 07:42:43 <zakkm> i think
Jun 07 07:42:52 <Macer> wow seriously?
Jun 07 07:42:53 <zakkm> nononon
Jun 07 07:42:54 <zakkm> rtl1000
Jun 07 07:43:14 <Macer> that was the only realtek gbit driver they had and it's the one i used
Jun 07 07:43:16 <Macer> the rtl1000
Jun 07 07:43:19 <Macer> didn't work :)
Jun 07 07:43:35 <zakkm> then i dont know
Jun 07 07:43:48 <zakkm> did you try searching your shuttle
Jun 07 07:44:04 <zakkm> what is the shuttle name?
Jun 07 07:44:14 <zakkm> or motherboard in it
Jun 07 07:44:15 <Macer> kpc/k45
Jun 07 07:44:19 <Macer> yeah i tried that too
Jun 07 07:44:25 <Macer> i might bust it open and physically stare at the nic chip
Jun 07 07:44:38 <Macer> and see if it is maybe just detecting wrong with lspci
Jun 07 07:44:39 <Macer> but i doubt that
Jun 07 07:45:02 <Macer> the 8139 worked without anything though
Jun 07 07:45:05 <zakkm> LAN: works. (Select IONetworkPatch)
Jun 07 07:45:07 <Macer> internally supported by osx i suppose
Jun 07 07:45:13 <zakkm> <--- k45 /k48 shuttle
Jun 07 07:45:22 <Macer> i didn't see an ionetworkpatch in the list
Jun 07 07:45:28 <Macer> where are you seeing that?
Jun 07 07:45:35 <zakkm> hardware compatibility list ;p
Jun 07 07:45:47 <Macer> i checked the list.. it only had a k48
Jun 07 07:46:03 <zakkm> Board: KPC45v1
Jun 07 07:46:30 <Macer> that's 10.5.2 :)
Jun 07 07:46:35 <zakkm> so
Jun 07 07:46:38 <zakkm> its still the same thing
Jun 07 07:47:04 <zakkm> its not like diablo vs os2007 ...
Jun 07 07:47:18 <Macer> LAN: Gigabit Ethernet network controller (Marvell 8056): Not Tested
Jun 07 07:47:22 <zakkm> its like saying omg this app is only for sp1 xp, it doesnt work in sp2, sp3 xp
Jun 07 07:47:30 <zakkm> yeah they didnt test it
Jun 07 07:47:34 <zakkm> the other person did though
Jun 07 07:48:02 <Macer> ok. after this osol install on the artigo which looks like it's going to be a while....
Jun 07 07:48:19 <Macer> i will see if i can find the patch
Jun 07 07:48:52 <Macer> but they were using Jas. i was using iPC
Jun 07 07:49:17 <zakkm> theres so much posts on it hah
Jun 07 07:49:21 <Macer> but iPC had most of everything so maybe i just didn't see it
Jun 07 07:49:22 <Macer> i know :)
Jun 07 07:49:30 <Macer> i went through a thousand of them trying to figure it out
Jun 07 07:49:41 <Macer> the iPC dvd puts the proper stuff on the box though
Jun 07 07:50:21 <Macer> i really don't think it has anything to do with IONetwork because on hour 6 i vaguely remember checking it and it was correct already
Jun 07 07:50:46 <Macer> but i'll check.. i'll just take a look at the options and see if i missed it .who knows .. maybe i did
Jun 07 07:50:57 <Macer> which would totally suck.
Jun 07 07:51:03 <zakkm> it would be under "patches" i think, under kernel or at total bottom
Jun 07 07:51:09 <zakkm> not necessary under network
Jun 07 07:51:13 <Macer> it was towards the bottom
Jun 07 07:51:24 <Macer> well. the section was.. i didn't see it though
Jun 07 07:51:36 <Macer> i think i'd have noticed it because i saw something similar in relation to a k48 which is pretty similar
Jun 07 07:52:08 <Macer> but like i said.. i'll check and if i don't see it i'll stash the dvd in the shredder :)
Jun 07 07:52:31 <zakkm> heh
Jun 07 07:53:44 <Macer> i just thought it was kind of awesome when it boot that it was at a good res and the sound was playing :)
Jun 07 07:53:51 <Macer> especially considering it boot from the hard drive haha
Jun 07 07:54:00 <Macer> a taste of progress
Jun 07 07:57:08 <Macer> i guess the 8169S is considered an 8168?
Jun 07 07:57:27 <Macer> wtf? :) blah. i'll let you know.. going to eat a couple pieces of pizza
Jun 07 07:57:33 <zakkm> no well sort of
Jun 07 07:57:40 <zakkm> drivers are same for multiple ones
Jun 07 07:57:50 <zakkm> ahh im hungry
Jun 07 07:57:53 <zakkm> its 4am here
Jun 07 07:57:53 <Macer> ah i see... ah well
Jun 07 07:57:58 <Macer> get breakfast :)
Jun 07 07:58:05 <zakkm> should sleep soon ;p
Jun 07 07:58:11 <Macer> sleep is a crutch
Jun 07 07:58:16 <zakkm> ?
Jun 07 07:58:25 <Macer> haha.. it's what they use to tell us in the Marines
Jun 07 07:58:27 <Macer> :)
Jun 07 07:58:36 <Macer> ah well.. be back later.. going ot eat.
Jun 07 08:22:23 * Stskeeps wonders if there's a nice gtd system for maemo
Jun 07 08:30:40 <zakkm> what video compression would be best for the nokia in terms of battery life?
Jun 07 08:36:29 <mavhc> I'd assume one that worked on the dsp
Jun 07 09:11:12 <Mek> is it supposed to be impossible to install an ARMEL target in scratchbox for fremantle?
Jun 07 09:11:26 <Mek> there seem to be some required packages missing
Jun 07 09:12:10 <Stskeeps> did you remember nokia-binaries token repository ?
Jun 07 09:13:16 <Mek> Stskeeps: already during the installation of the sdk it fails because some packages are missing
Jun 07 09:13:36 <Stskeeps> which?
Jun 07 09:13:50 <Mek> (and yes, I tried it with nokia-binaries aas well, in that case it fails trying to load some kernel modules on package installation)
Jun 07 09:14:49 <Mek> libgles2-sgx-img-dev is a package that is required indirectly by maemo-sdk-dev that is missing
Jun 07 09:15:06 <Mek> uhm, no, sorry
Jun 07 09:15:34 <Mek> that one is available, and replaces libgles2-dev, but something depends on that last one
Jun 07 09:16:04 <Mek> no, I'm still misreading apt output
Jun 07 09:16:19 <Mek>   libclutter-0.8-0: Depends: libgles2-sgx-img but it is not installable or
Jun 07 09:16:20 <Mek>                              libgles2 but it is not installable
Jun 07 09:16:25 <Mek> that is the problem I'm having
Jun 07 09:16:46 <Stskeeps> looks like missing nokia-binaries
Jun 07 09:17:58 <Mek> than still the sdk is broken for armel, as there is no way to add nokia-binaries before running the sdk installation shell script
Jun 07 09:41:02 <minra> doc|home, you are not being wise
Jun 07 09:41:18 <minra> you are being stupid
Jun 07 09:41:38 <minra> l8r peeps
Jun 07 10:14:27 <p-f> has anyone tried to run firefox on a n810? I tried fennec, but it seems to lack support for most extensions...
Jun 07 10:15:44 <p-f> (just wondering if it's worth the effort of compiling it by hand)
Jun 07 10:33:33 <mavhc> on maemo?
Jun 07 10:39:43 <timeless_mbp> p-f: um
Jun 07 10:39:54 <timeless_mbp> last i checked there were 20+ extensions available for fennec
Jun 07 10:40:03 <timeless_mbp> i installed them all and my manager got upset
Jun 07 10:40:13 <timeless_mbp> he said i can't ever touch his computer again
Jun 07 10:40:14 <timeless_mbp> :)
Jun 07 10:40:16 <p-f> timeless_mbp, I tried to install readitlater, it just stood there for a while and then I never heard from it again
Jun 07 10:41:01 <timeless_mbp> out of curiosity, which addons do you really want from firefox/
Jun 07 10:41:07 <p-f> readitlater
Jun 07 10:41:08 * timeless_mbp goes hunting for a readitlater tutorial
Jun 07 10:41:26 <p-f> it allows you to bookmark pages to read them later, save them to an offline cache so you can read them offline, etc.
Jun 07 10:41:42 <p-f> for now I'm syncing the offline cache from my main laptop with rsync, it's annoying
Jun 07 10:41:43 <timeless_mbp> pfexec pkg install SUNWipkg
Jun 07 10:41:46 <timeless_mbp> eep
Jun 07 10:41:49 <timeless_mbp> http://readitlaterlist.com/bookmarklets/
Jun 07 10:41:53 <timeless_mbp> should work on MicroB :)
Jun 07 10:42:06 <p-f> yes, except that won't give me real integration with a browser
Jun 07 10:42:11 <p-f> nor will it give me the offline cache
Jun 07 10:43:01 <timeless_mbp> i'd suggest contacting them and asking for a fennec port
Jun 07 10:43:13 <p-f> how hard is it to port to fennec usually?
Jun 07 10:43:21 <timeless_mbp> i've ported an extension in a minute or two
Jun 07 10:43:43 <timeless_mbp> and that was by reverse engineering another fennec extension :)
Jun 07 10:43:55 <timeless_mbp> it typically depends on how much ui integration is required
Jun 07 10:43:59 <timeless_mbp> mine required ZERO
Jun 07 10:44:21 <p-f> this one modifies the address bar to add a few buttons and also adds an entry in the menus
Jun 07 10:45:04 <timeless_mbp> eww
Jun 07 10:45:07 <timeless_mbp> that's a no-no
Jun 07 10:45:18 <timeless_mbp> it's trivial to do, but totally uncool for fennec
Jun 07 10:45:31 <timeless_mbp> there's a proposal for how it should be done for fennec, but it isn't implemented yet
Jun 07 10:45:51 <timeless_mbp> some fennec's run on screens that are 320 or fewer pixels wide
Jun 07 10:46:09 <timeless_mbp> eating horizontal realestate from the address bar is.... bad
Jun 07 10:46:25 <p-f> yeah I can see how that would be bad
Jun 07 10:46:36 <p-f> except I'm on a n810 which has tons of horizontal space
Jun 07 10:47:06 <timeless_mbp> sure you are, but the extension would be  for fennec, not fennec-n810
Jun 07 10:47:43 <p-f> there's plenty of space in that bar on the right with the back/forward buttons
Jun 07 10:48:14 <timeless_mbp> what if the screen is 320px tall? :)
Jun 07 10:48:27 * timeless_mbp is too lazy to run fennec
Jun 07 10:48:50 <timeless_mbp> but seriousl, in general, that's a slightly better place than the address bar, but not really ideal
Jun 07 10:49:02 <timeless_mbp> the proposal is to share larry instead
Jun 07 10:49:10 <p-f> larry?
Jun 07 10:49:58 <timeless_mbp> http://readitlaterlist.com/bookmarklets/
Jun 07 10:50:00 <timeless_mbp> arg
Jun 07 10:50:03 <timeless_mbp> http://news.cnet.com/8301-10789_3-9970606-57.html
Jun 07 10:50:29 <p-f> sounds like you're on linux, enjoying the pains of the multiple paste buffers :)
Jun 07 10:50:58 <timeless_mbp> oddly i'm on OS X
Jun 07 10:51:04 <timeless_mbp> enjoying the pains of high latency
Jun 07 10:51:17 <timeless_mbp> there's a 1.5GB vm launching in the background
Jun 07 10:51:25 <p-f> oh
Jun 07 10:51:29 <p-f> it's probably very shiny though
Jun 07 10:51:39 <timeless_mbp> yes
Jun 07 10:51:51 <timeless_mbp> OSOL
Jun 07 10:51:53 <timeless_mbp> SunOS indiana 5.11 snv_111b i86pc i386 i86pc Solaris
Jun 07 10:52:02 <timeless_mbp> shiny and new, just upgraded a minute ago
Jun 07 10:52:27 <timeless_mbp> and yes, i copied that from a gnome-terminal into colloquy w/o issue
Jun 07 10:52:39 <timeless_mbp> in contrast to the pain i'm having copying from Camino.app
Jun 07 10:53:38 <p-f> could be worse, like trying to copy from a java application to $anywhereelse
Jun 07 10:54:12 <timeless_mbp> sun(osol)java or apple(osx)java? :)
Jun 07 10:54:28 <timeless_mbp> (sounds like the question about the unladen swallow)
Jun 07 10:55:02 <p-f> I'm stuck on linux, so sun java ;)
Jun 07 10:55:42 <timeless_mbp> there's also ibm java and ...
Jun 07 10:55:58 <timeless_mbp> but your first mistake was Linux :)
Jun 07 10:56:53 <p-f> it's the least bad so far
Jun 07 10:56:56 * p-f shrugs
Jun 07 10:57:02 <p-f> they're all pretty bad though
Jun 07 10:57:08 <p-f> (the OSs, that is)
Jun 07 11:32:59 <Macer> hi
Jun 07 11:43:01 <RST38h> umgh
Jun 07 12:22:02 <parigaudi> hi
Jun 07 12:23:07 <parigaudi> is there a way to have a login/authentication (password or other) when maemo starts?
Jun 07 12:26:41 <Stskeeps> there's a lock code thing
Jun 07 12:30:06 <timeless_mbp> parigaudi: what's your goal?
Jun 07 12:30:22 <timeless_mbp> keep in mind that the device runs linux people can boot it from usb or mmc
Jun 07 12:32:19 <parigaudi> hmm...
Jun 07 12:32:53 <parigaudi> my goal was basically to be able to let it on my desk and avoid that collegues play with it
Jun 07 12:33:52 <mavhc> define "starts"
Jun 07 12:33:57 <parigaudi> but yeah, i'll also have to think about some encryption
Jun 07 12:34:13 <parigaudi> mavhc: when it boots
Jun 07 12:34:34 <mavhc> but it's left running 24/7 in general
Jun 07 12:35:24 <parigaudi> ok you're right. my current habit to turn it off whenever i don't use it may not be splendid when i start using calendar alarms
Jun 07 12:35:42 <timeless_mbp> alarms will wake it up
Jun 07 12:35:50 <timeless_mbp> our device isn't as stupid as some others
Jun 07 12:36:09 <timeless_mbp> (a coworker points to a phone which plays his 7am alarm when he gets to work and turns on his phone)
Jun 07 12:36:42 <timeless_mbp> parigaudi: what's wrong w/ letting your colleagues play w/ your toy?
Jun 07 12:36:57 <parigaudi> not in my absence
Jun 07 12:37:00 <parigaudi> my data...
Jun 07 12:37:12 <timeless_mbp> but yes, the lock feature will do what you want
Jun 07 12:37:21 <timeless_mbp> default lock is 12345 iirc
Jun 07 12:37:31 <parigaudi> ok well then i guess i'll use that then thx
Jun 07 12:37:36 <timeless_mbp> or empty, one of those, i can't remember, it's in the docs
Jun 07 12:37:53 <timeless_mbp> and it'll ask when you turn it on if it was impolitely turned off while locked
Jun 07 12:38:13 <parigaudi> good
Jun 07 12:38:51 <mavhc> do you choose when to lock it, or is it automatic?
Jun 07 12:38:58 <mavhc> after you enable the locking feature
Jun 07 12:39:14 <timeless_mbp> the easiest way is {power key} > lock device
Jun 07 12:39:21 <timeless_mbp> beyond that, *shrug*
Jun 07 12:39:33 <timeless_mbp> please keep in mind insecurity through repeatedly entering a password
Jun 07 12:39:35 <ShadowJK> I've heard of phones that play the alarm when you wake it from idle :)
Jun 07 12:39:49 <timeless_mbp> if you enter a password hundreds of times, someone will eventually see you enter it
Jun 07 12:43:27 <mavhc> looks like there's an option for autolock
Jun 07 12:43:42 <mavhc> oddly you have to enter the code to lock it
Jun 07 12:44:04 <qwerty12_N810> first time only
Jun 07 12:46:32 <mavhc> ah yes, good idea that
Jun 07 12:46:46 <mavhc> also good idea to have a code already in
Jun 07 12:47:06 <mavhc> I like it, might use it
Jun 07 13:00:28 <timeless_mbp> mavhc: the alternative is that it autolocks w/ a lock key you don't know
Jun 07 13:00:34 <timeless_mbp> which would be um.... well...
Jun 07 13:00:36 <mavhc> indeed
Jun 07 13:00:43 <timeless_mbp> nokia doesn't promise to recover your data if you do that
Jun 07 13:00:50 <timeless_mbp> keep that in mind if you use autolock :)
Jun 07 13:01:03 <timeless_mbp> in fact, iirc we promise not to offer your data if you lock yourself out
Jun 07 13:28:19 <GAN800> parigaudi, don't turn the device off. It's designed to be left on 24/7. Cycling it wastes MASSIVE amounts of battery.
Jun 07 13:47:12 <Stskeeps> lo b-man
Jun 07 13:47:31 <b-man`> hello :)
Jun 07 13:48:53 <b-man`> Stskeeps: i'll be releasing Ejscript for maemo soon :)
Jun 07 13:49:07 <Stskeeps> ejscript? :P
Jun 07 13:49:10 <b-man`> (javascript web application framework)
Jun 07 13:50:25 <b-man`> yes http://www.ejscript.org/
Jun 07 13:50:58 <b-man`> http://b-man.psykosis.net/ejs-bin-0.9.9-3-debian-LINUX-armv6l.deb    :)
Jun 07 13:52:04 <b-man`> ^ for testing
Jun 07 13:53:20 <Stskeeps> ah, that'll be interesting
Jun 07 13:54:28 <b-man`> it's also available for mer :)
Jun 07 13:55:34 <Stskeeps> is it fast?
Jun 07 13:55:38 <b-man`> the nice thing about it is that it's verry easy too set up
Jun 07 13:55:41 <b-man`> yes
Jun 07 13:55:49 <b-man`> :)
Jun 07 13:57:52 <b-man`> in fact, i have it running right now and i can hardly notice any differences in speed
Jun 07 13:58:52 <b-man`> (it's designed to be light weight and use fuew resources)
Jun 07 13:59:22 <b-man`> but at the same time it's quite powerful
Jun 07 14:01:15 <b-man`> it even has a localised web server XD - and it has the ability to byte compile javascripts to run with it's virtual machine for fast execution :)
Jun 07 14:01:40 <b-man`> all in a 7mb deb
Jun 07 14:03:16 * b-man` needs to go - i'll be back in 2 hours
Jun 07 14:29:38 <zpol> hola
Jun 07 15:14:09 <user__> hello?
Jun 07 15:15:34 <user__> how change browser helper app for wav file to mplayer? default mediaa player can't play my voicemails.
Jun 07 15:16:30 <user__> installed mplayer browser plugin which shows as browser componet
Jun 07 15:16:46 <crashanddie_> I just baffled an Amazon helpdesk operator
Jun 07 15:18:28 <crashanddie_> Called the Kindle helpline to ask when they were planning on a release in the UK, she actually seemed very surprised when I said I was calling from the UK, I'm guessing she never got trained for that :P
Jun 07 15:19:14 <user__> where else would uk user caall from?
Jun 07 15:19:42 <qwerty12> crashanddie_: I guess your question got answered somewhat, then? :P
Jun 07 15:20:06 <crashanddie_> user__: well, from the US? "Hi, I just bought a Kindle and am going back to the UK next week, will my Kindle work?"
Jun 07 15:20:21 <user__> ahh...
Jun 07 15:20:23 <Stskeeps> "no, if it crosses US borders it self destructs"
Jun 07 15:20:23 <Stskeeps> :P
Jun 07 15:20:34 <crashanddie_> qwerty12: yeah, they're sending me special beta version tomorrow
Jun 07 15:21:26 <crashanddie_> qwerty12: half the interwebs is trying to get an answer on that question, you think I'd actually get a reply?
Jun 07 15:21:36 <crashanddie_> qwerty12: I'm just bored in the office and can't be arsed to work
Jun 07 15:21:41 <user__> you'd think they'd have answer for us people who travel at least
Jun 07 15:21:59 <chx> hi. anyone ever managed to join a Skype public chat on N810?
Jun 07 15:22:15 <crashanddie_> user__: yeah, the answer is "Whispernet doesn't work outside the US"
Jun 07 15:22:21 <qwerty12> crashanddie_: "answered" in the sense that she wondered why TF you're calling from the UK
Jun 07 15:22:50 <crashanddie_> qwerty12: oh, right, sorry, that was a tiny but too subtle for me :P
Jun 07 15:23:17 <crashanddie_> qwerty12: soo, when the fuck are you turning 18? That we can finally buy you a beer
Jun 07 15:23:36 <qwerty12> 1 year & 4 months
Jun 07 15:24:15 <user__> chx: skype has public chat?
Jun 07 15:24:24 <crashanddie_> sod it, that'll require a bloody miracle for me to still be in the UK by the
Jun 07 15:24:30 <crashanddie_> s/the/then/
Jun 07 15:24:30 <infobot> crashanddie_ meant: sod it, that'll require a bloody miracle for me to still be in then UK by the
Jun 07 15:24:48 <qwerty12> heh
Jun 07 15:25:45 <crashanddie_> stupid bot
Jun 07 15:25:49 <crashanddie_> s/bot/piece of crap/
Jun 07 15:25:50 <infobot> crashanddie_ meant: stupid piece of crap
Jun 07 15:26:31 <crashanddie_> infobot: you need to build yourself some wireless synaptic interfaces so you understand wtf we actually want you to replace
Jun 07 15:26:38 <crashanddie_> infobot: cookie
Jun 07 15:26:41 <infobot> Hey crashanddie_, port 3055 is policyserver - Policy Server
Jun 07 15:27:08 * crashanddie_ facepalms
Jun 07 15:28:15 <user__> so... can i make browser use mpllayer for wav instead 'Media Player'?
Jun 07 15:29:23 <crashanddie_> using a media player to play media inside a browser is so 90's! People should use an integrated technology inside the browser to play videos and streaming music, YAAAAAAY
Jun 07 15:30:17 <chx> user__: yes
Jun 07 15:30:44 <user__> ok. but my voicemail come as wav email attachh. click. download or open with media player, which ca't play them
Jun 07 15:31:08 <chx> user__: AFAIK you need dbus to join
Jun 07 15:33:43 <user__> chx: sorry, doesn't need be in browser. I just want mplayer to launch and play from /tmp download. Easy to change on computer. don't see setting on tablet
Jun 07 15:34:05 <qwerty12> user__: google "dbus-switchboard"
Jun 07 15:34:34 <user__> qwerty12: thanks, i will
Jun 07 15:39:08 <crashanddie_> anyone ever seen the ultraviolet rendition of a belgian passport?
Jun 07 15:39:18 <Stskeeps> nop
Jun 07 15:39:28 <crashanddie_> want to?
Jun 07 15:39:36 <Stskeeps> sure :P
Jun 07 15:39:45 <crashanddie_> hang on, lemme upload
Jun 07 15:41:50 <crashanddie_> http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/9877/passport.jpg
Jun 07 15:42:11 <Stskeeps> not to say anything but your passport number is visible :P
Jun 07 15:42:18 <crashanddie_> so?
Jun 07 15:42:27 <Stskeeps> potentially abusable? :P
Jun 07 15:42:35 <Stskeeps> but yeah, that looks beautiful
Jun 07 15:42:39 <crashanddie_> nope it ain't :)
Jun 07 15:42:45 <qwerty12> Damn, I wanted to use that but I won't pass for Belgian :(
Jun 07 15:42:47 <crashanddie_> my passport number is public knowledge
Jun 07 15:42:59 <qwerty12> It is now
Jun 07 15:43:06 <crashanddie_> it was before as well
Jun 07 15:43:06 <Stskeeps> qwerty12: in these multicultural days you might, heh
Jun 07 15:43:31 <Stskeeps> crashanddie_: you're younger than me?
Jun 07 15:43:33 <Stskeeps> that's terrifying
Jun 07 15:43:38 <crashanddie_> I am?
Jun 07 15:43:42 <Stskeeps> <- 84'er
Jun 07 15:43:50 <crashanddie_> Why is that terrifying?
Jun 07 15:43:57 <Stskeeps> well you're obviously doing cooler things than me ;)
Jun 07 15:44:10 <crashanddie_> yeah, sure
Jun 07 15:44:16 <crashanddie_> working on a sunday afternoon
Jun 07 15:44:24 <crashanddie_> I love your definition of cool
Jun 07 15:44:32 <Stskeeps> hehe
Jun 07 15:45:30 <crashanddie_> but yeah, working with passport scanners is kinda funky
Jun 07 15:45:52 <crashanddie_> it's kinda random though... sometimes the scanner will raise a security alert, you ask it to scan again and it's fine...
Jun 07 15:45:58 <crashanddie_> The number of false positives are quite amazing
Jun 07 15:46:37 <Stskeeps> crashanddie being the guy you don't want to 1) show your passport number to and 2) piss off ;)
Jun 07 15:51:01 <crashanddie_> lol... This friend of mine talks to me on Google Talk
Jun 07 15:51:55 <crashanddie_> completely random
Jun 07 15:52:20 <crashanddie_> he actually forgot I lived in the UK, but not content to only forget that, he didn't remember I lived in France for 10 years? Wtf?
Jun 07 15:52:45 <crashanddie_> weed is bad for yo memoreeeezz
Jun 07 16:21:16 <Macer> hm
Jun 07 16:21:56 <Macer> is zfs create -p <mountpoint>
Jun 07 16:36:23 * RST38h moos
Jun 07 17:10:37 <andre__> timeless_mbp, Re 680: I don't think so. What would be the reason to have this if the list gets updated when starting AM and adding new repos anyway?
Jun 07 17:12:00 <andre__> Mek: Re libclutter-0.8-0: Depends: libgles2-sgx-img but it is not installable: See https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4503
Jun 07 17:51:02 <balor> Is there a block/component diagram for the maemo stack similar to the diagram for Gnome mobile or Android (http://www.gnome.org/mobile/gmae-arch-diag.png and http://developer.android.com/images/system-architecture.jpg)
Jun 07 17:54:48 <Stskeeps> maemo.org - development - platform guide - chapter 3
Jun 07 18:00:30 <balor> Stskeeps: Thanks....missed that.
Jun 07 18:03:08 <balor> Still can't find it.  Am looking here http://maemo.org/maemo_release_documentation/maemo4.1.x/node4.html Am I in the wrong place?
Jun 07 18:04:47 <balor> Here it is http://maemo.org/development/training/maemo_technology_overview_content/plain_html/node6/ :)
Jun 07 18:04:53 <Stskeeps> yeah, 5
Jun 07 18:05:58 <balor> thanks a lot
Jun 07 18:09:08 <RST38h> Heheh, Engadget found an image of N810 labelled "N900" in some Nokia presentation
Jun 07 18:09:50 <Stskeeps> yeah, and that's from a non-nokia presentation
Jun 07 18:09:51 <Stskeeps> students
Jun 07 18:10:06 <RST38h> even funnier
Jun 07 18:10:08 <Stskeeps> i bet quim & peter are thrilled
Jun 07 18:10:18 <Stskeeps> especially since that particular tablet looks crap
Jun 07 18:10:19 <RST38h> probably laughing their socks off
Jun 07 18:12:18 <crashanddie> Stskeeps, lol, I only use passport scanners, I don't make 'em
Jun 07 18:12:24 <Stskeeps> ah, good :P
Jun 07 18:18:57 <crashanddie> Stskeeps, got a picture?
Jun 07 18:19:02 <crashanddie> Stskeeps, of yourself?
Jun 07 18:19:07 <Stskeeps> er.. yeah, i guess, sec
Jun 07 18:19:23 <crashanddie> Stskeeps, I'll make sure my software raises an alert as soon as it recognises you, no need for your passport number :P
Jun 07 18:19:24 <Stskeeps> http://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/fb.JPG still applies
Jun 07 18:19:45 <Stskeeps> (facial match -that-..)
Jun 07 18:19:50 <crashanddie> damn, it's not gonna like the glasses :P
Jun 07 18:20:05 <crashanddie> "ERROR<USER_NOT_BLIND_NOR_SMOKING>"
Jun 07 18:21:59 <Stskeeps> hehe
Jun 07 18:24:46 <RST38h> This one is easy to match
Jun 07 18:25:06 <RST38h> There is going to be just ONE freak with yellow glasses like these, so you can match the glasses
Jun 07 18:25:11 <Stskeeps> i don't wear those glasses normally
Jun 07 18:25:11 <Stskeeps> :P
Jun 07 18:25:23 <RST38h> Then it will match you by face
Jun 07 18:25:37 <RST38h> These systems usually store multiple images for each guy =)
Jun 07 18:25:59 <crashanddie> RST38h, Regardless if he actually wears those regularly (I would hope not), if he actually wears them at one of our customers, he won't even get the chance to get to my application :P
Jun 07 18:26:05 <Stskeeps> ah, so that's why v6sa took so many pictures of me
Jun 07 18:26:52 <crashanddie> RST38h, I think the most casual I've seen there on-site was suit without tie
Jun 07 18:27:18 <RST38h> crashanddie: IBM offices are creepy in this sense
Jun 07 18:27:48 <RST38h> crashanddie: Full of absolutely identical balding fat guys in identical shirts with identical sheepish smiles on their faces
Jun 07 18:27:58 <crashanddie> RST38h, heh
Jun 07 18:28:37 * RST38h was real scared of that and the fact that IBM security guys wrote serial numbers off all computers, keyboards, mice, and PDAs on entrance
Jun 07 18:29:07 <Stskeeps> i wonder how nokia security is like, especially after lcuk almost didn't make it out alive..
Jun 07 18:29:10 <Stskeeps> :P
Jun 07 18:29:26 <RST38h> Commodore has legendary security protocols
Jun 07 18:29:46 <RST38h> Had to file separate documentation even if you were going to remove an empty cardboard box off site
Jun 07 18:31:37 * RST38h returns to reading The Terror
Jun 07 18:31:47 <Stskeeps> i really need to get some sci fi litterature for my summer
Jun 07 18:32:00 <RST38h> Terror isn't really scifi
Jun 07 18:32:18 <Stskeeps> well, or anything :P
Jun 07 18:32:26 <RST38h> But the Hyperion Cantos and Ilium/Olympos are mighty good
Jun 07 18:32:49 <Stskeeps> i've been meaning to get into hyperion at some point
Jun 07 18:32:56 <crashanddie> RST38h, worst thing I've seen was being stripped from phone, USB devices and anything that could emit bluetooth/wifi
Jun 07 18:33:10 <crashanddie> BUT THEY DIDN'T SEE MY WATCH HAD USB, MHWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Jun 07 18:33:19 <RST38h> crashanddie: Welcome to US embassy anywhere on the planet
Jun 07 18:33:31 <crashanddie> it's completely stupid
Jun 07 18:33:38 <crashanddie> just call CA and ask for sanctuary
Jun 07 18:33:40 <RST38h> Not sure what they are afraid about, too
Jun 07 18:34:04 <crashanddie> sanctuary is a pretty good system when you have the need for such security
Jun 07 18:34:13 <RST38h> Stskeeps: just be aware they Hyperion is seriously creepy
Jun 07 18:34:34 <crashanddie> anyway, gotta put some laundry to wash, brb
Jun 07 18:34:38 <Stskeeps> RST38h: ah, probably not a book for my gf but i can handle most things :P
Jun 07 18:34:49 <timeless_mbp> andre__: hrm
Jun 07 18:34:52 <RST38h> Stskeeps: My wife stopped in the middle of book #2
Jun 07 18:35:05 <timeless_mbp> https://bugs.maemo.org/attachment.cgi?id=680, not bug
Jun 07 18:35:14 <andre__> ah
Jun 07 18:35:19 <crashanddie> Stskeeps, Nokia's security still has severe leaks
Jun 07 18:35:19 <RST38h> Stskeeps: Said she does not like having nightmares on daily basis
Jun 07 18:35:27 <crashanddie> Stskeeps, just like their boots a few decades ago
Jun 07 18:35:35 <andre__> damn. i should learn reading
Jun 07 18:35:44 <timeless_mbp> andre__: or to use a mouse :)(
Jun 07 18:35:59 <andre__> never!
Jun 07 18:36:01 <RST38h> crashanddie: Where would we be without these leaks?
Jun 07 18:36:12 <crashanddie> http://www.fwtyson.co.uk/shop/shopimages/products/normal/nokiamens.jpg
Jun 07 18:36:13 <RST38h> crashanddie: and this way we have stuff to bitch about =)
Jun 07 18:36:21 <Stskeeps> RST38h: scaringily enough, it's the traditional human activities that mess me up sometimes, fiction doesn't do it that easily :P
Jun 07 18:36:26 <timeless_mbp> RST38h: you'd bitch with or without
Jun 07 18:36:51 <timeless_mbp> andre__: i think a bunch of the bugs had attachments or initial steps for testing
Jun 07 18:37:01 <timeless_mbp> i'm traveling to london for the week, so i can't poke anything
Jun 07 18:37:04 <RST38h> Stskeeps: You are living in a well developed liberal socialist country. What can POSSIBLY go wrong? :)
Jun 07 18:37:08 <crashanddie> http://www.dialogic.com/den/cfs-filesystemfile.ashx/__key/CommunityServer.Blogs.Components.WeblogFiles/a5fcbcf8-1e80-4822-94e1-b1964334643b/boot.jpg
Jun 07 18:37:18 <Stskeeps> RST38h: ah, you'd be surprised what hides under the surface :P
Jun 07 18:37:23 <crashanddie> most brits probably saw this ad
Jun 07 18:37:37 <RST38h> Stskeeps: Few things surprise me any more
Jun 07 18:40:52 <crashanddie> RST38h, that cynic?
Jun 07 18:41:36 <RST38h> crash: yep.
Jun 07 18:42:11 <RST38h> crash: In fact, I collect and savor epic fuckups, the more kafkian, the better =0
Jun 07 18:44:43 <derf> Kafkaesque?
Jun 07 18:45:25 <RST38h> with a little more effort, we can stick even more letters there =)
Jun 07 18:48:44 <derf> http://iq.appspot.com/q/6624/37
Jun 07 18:51:49 <RST38h> that immediately reminds of Lingua::Romana::Perligata
Jun 07 19:33:11 <user__> when extra is updated? dayly what time? weekly?
Jun 07 19:34:13 <lcuk> as required
Jun 07 19:34:51 <user__> and any wiki or topic about a good way to update a .deb appli allready in extra?
Jun 07 19:35:50 <user__> i upload like the first one in extra upload browser page or  other better way
Jun 07 19:35:59 <qwerty12_N810> the same way as was used to upload it the first time perhaps?
Jun 07 19:36:09 <user__> ok
Jun 07 19:36:12 <user__> cool
Jun 07 19:36:21 <user__> i make a rigth think
Jun 07 19:36:30 <user__> just like you said
Jun 07 19:36:33 <user__> fiouuuu
Jun 07 19:36:36 <user__> tx
Jun 07 19:38:31 <labaudio> .
Jun 07 20:57:55 * GAN8001 isn't sure about Up!
Jun 07 20:58:26 * lcuk isnt sure about Down!
Jun 07 20:59:03 <lcuk> anyone know how long does extras-devel upload take to run
Jun 07 21:02:29 <lcuk> mmmm - ive just uploaded 2 packages to the autobuilder - 1 is a library, the other is the app - if the app depends on the library how will it be found
Jun 07 21:03:08 <qwerty12_N810> you'll have to wait 'til the library is built and in -devel
Jun 07 21:03:14 <qwerty12_N810> wb johnx
Jun 07 21:03:34 <lcuk> ok ill see what happens lol
Jun 07 21:08:50 * wjt isn't sure about Left! Right! Left! Right!
Jun 07 21:14:38 * lcuk deletes all his source code
Jun 07 21:15:11 <GAN800> The Ovi Store couldn't be any more useless.
Jun 07 21:15:55 <lcuk> sure it can
Jun 07 21:16:27 <lcuk> but it wont help my melting head
Jun 07 21:16:30 <lbt> lcuk is using git isn't he ?
Jun 07 21:16:37 <lcuk> lbt
Jun 07 21:16:41 <lcuk> not this week im not
Jun 07 21:16:45 <GAN800> The only applications I can find for air travel and movie times only apply to Simgapore but make absolutely no mention of that fact at any point.
Jun 07 21:17:03 <lcuk> how would i split git out into 2 halves and take the changes intended for the library portion in one history
Jun 07 21:17:05 <GAN800> Lots of the other stuff simply does not work.
Jun 07 21:17:11 <lcuk> and the changes intended for the app in another
Jun 07 21:17:24 <GAN800> Or only works sometimes and then quite slowly.
Jun 07 21:17:29 <lbt> to make 2 repos?
Jun 07 21:17:34 <lcuk> yes
Jun 07 21:17:55 <lbt> duplicate the base repo
Jun 07 21:18:01 <lcuk> or do i just carry on with a single glorious repo
Jun 07 21:18:05 <lbt> then remove the library
Jun 07 21:18:12 <lbt> and call it "application"
Jun 07 21:18:14 <lbt> in the other
Jun 07 21:18:19 <lbt> remove the apps
Jun 07 21:18:22 <lbt> and call it librar
Jun 07 21:18:24 <lbt> y
Jun 07 21:19:05 <lbt> clone them up to gitorious seperately
Jun 07 21:19:18 * b-man16 sets up Ejscript documentation on http://b-man.psykosis.net/projects/ejscript/documentation/ :)
Jun 07 21:19:21 <lcuk> not garage?
Jun 07 21:19:37 <lbt> ah... you said glorious
Jun 07 21:19:40 <lbt> I mis-read
Jun 07 21:19:46 <lcuk> lol
Jun 07 21:20:01 <lcuk> easy to do
Jun 07 21:20:14 * lcuk has had a long weekend
Jun 07 21:21:20 <lcuk> i might just keep everything in one repo
Jun 07 21:21:35 <lcuk> but obviously move all the folders around now its clear which is which
Jun 07 21:23:42 <lcuk> mmm extras build queue looks a bit odd
Jun 07 21:23:58 <lcuk> its showing the packages i uploaded as being 20:18
Jun 07 21:24:09 <lcuk> but new packages and all others are showing as 17:25
Jun 07 22:39:31 <GAN8001> lol, Engadget.
Jun 07 22:39:55 <GeneralAntilles> 667MHz ARM11 vs 600MHz Cortex A8. Fight! :roll:
Jun 07 22:44:21 * GAN800 pissed off the Engadget editor apparently.
Jun 07 22:44:51 <Pavlov> engadget is so random
Jun 07 22:46:15 <GAN800> He didn't take to kindly to my comments about their reporting on Maemo rumors. :D
Jun 07 22:46:22 <GAN800> s/to/too/
Jun 07 22:46:23 <infobot> GAN800 meant: He didn't take too kindly to my comments about their reporting on Maemo rumors. :D
Jun 07 22:46:35 <Pavlov> reporting might be too strong
Jun 07 22:47:01 <GAN800> That's what I said. ;)
Jun 07 22:48:32 <lcuk> gan are you determined to piss off the entire world lol
Jun 07 22:49:58 <GAN800> Nah, just people who are wrong on the internet.
Jun 07 22:51:09 <lcuk> http://xkcd.com/386/
Jun 07 22:52:11 <GAN800> lcuk, your N800's broken and your face is ugly. :P
Jun 07 22:52:16 <GAN800> I never
Jun 07 22:52:39 <GAN800> I never got a straight answer as to whether or not that was fixed at CPH.
Jun 07 22:52:41 <lcuk> my n800 isnt important and mmm perhaps you are right about #2 lol
Jun 07 22:52:48 <lcuk> no
Jun 07 22:52:51 <lcuk> i forgot it
Jun 07 22:52:55 <GAN800> Ha
Jun 07 22:52:56 <lcuk> in the rush to get ready
Jun 07 22:53:08 <GAN800> Gotta wait until October, then.
Jun 07 22:53:15 <lcuk> [2009-06-08 01:50:13] Processing package libliqbase 0.2-dev-1. Uploader: lcuk, builder: builder2
Jun 07 22:53:15 <lcuk> [2009-06-08 01:50:14] Building libliqbase 0.2-dev-1 for target 'maemo-fremantle-armel-extras-devel'
Jun 07 22:53:15 <lcuk> [2009-06-08 01:51:45] FAILED
Jun 07 22:53:25 <lcuk> i fail
Jun 07 22:53:32 <GAN800> I'm bound and determined to prove it fixable. :P
Jun 07 22:53:33 <lcuk> bbiab
Jun 07 22:53:41 <lcuk> ok fair enough
Jun 07 22:53:44 <lcuk> but its not broken now
Jun 07 22:53:51 <lcuk> os2007 games play just as well as os2008 ones
Jun 07 22:53:55 <lcuk> jake loves it
Jun 07 22:53:57 <lcuk> :)
Jun 07 23:23:18 <lcuk> [2009-06-08 02:18:41] Building libliqbase 0.2.1-dev-1 for target 'maemo-fremantle-i386-extras-devel'
Jun 07 23:23:18 <lcuk> [2009-06-08 02:21:49] OK
Jun 07 23:23:19 <lcuk> :)
Jun 07 23:25:17 * johnx_ claps
Jun 07 23:25:18 <johnx_> very nice
Jun 07 23:25:29 <johnx_> now get some sleep :P
Jun 07 23:27:28 <lcuk> :)
Jun 07 23:28:13 <lcuk> johnx_, all ive gotta do now it make the same work for other targets, sb was bein a bitch and didnt wanna install em
Jun 08 00:12:52 <Macer> for target i386?
Jun 08 00:13:02 <GAN800> Stskeeps, lbt, johnx, etc., can you make sure you add [[Category:Mer]] to the bottom of all Mer pages?
Jun 08 00:21:09 <lcuk> mmm any autobuilder gods around
Jun 08 00:21:14 <lcuk> strange build results :S
Jun 08 00:21:15 <lcuk> [2009-06-08 03:15:10] Processing package liqbase-playground 0.2.3-dev-1. Uploader: lcuk, builder: builder1
Jun 08 00:21:15 <lcuk> [2009-06-08 03:15:11] Building liqbase-playground 0.2.3-dev-1 for target 'maemo-fremantle-armel-extras-devel'
Jun 08 00:21:16 <lcuk> [2009-06-08 03:16:31] OK
Jun 08 00:21:18 <lcuk> [2009-06-08 03:16:31] Building liqbase-playground 0.2.3-dev-1 for target 'maemo-fremantle-i386-extras-devel'
Jun 08 00:21:20 <lcuk> [2009-06-08 03:17:41] FAILED
Jun 08 00:21:28 <lcuk> https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/liqbase-playground_0.2.3-dev-1/
Jun 08 00:37:56 * Macer points and laughs at lcuk !
Jun 08 00:37:59 <Macer> HA HA HA HA
Jun 08 00:38:07 * Macer grins :) just kidding
Jun 08 00:38:22 <johnx_> Macer: so how did that update go? :)
Jun 08 00:38:35 <Macer> which one?
Jun 08 00:38:38 <Macer> :)
Jun 08 00:38:43 <Macer> opensolaris is running great
Jun 08 00:38:49 <johnx_> the hackOSX update
Jun 08 00:38:49 <Macer> i'm on it right now
Jun 08 00:38:52 <Macer> oh
Jun 08 00:38:54 <Macer> i gave up :-\
Jun 08 00:39:04 <Macer> couldn't get a gbit working and spent enough time on it
Jun 08 00:39:34 <Macer> but the artigo runs opensolaris great
Jun 08 00:39:45 <Macer> i actually like opensolaris for a server more than nexenta
Jun 08 00:40:05 <johnx_> call me old fashioned but I still really like debian stable on servers
Jun 08 00:40:13 <Macer> heh
Jun 08 00:40:19 <Macer> zfs ftw ;)
Jun 08 00:40:38 <Macer> if i can keep my raid zpool (which i should be able to since it's seperate from the OS)
Jun 08 00:40:41 <johnx_> LVM2+snapshots works perfectly here
Jun 08 00:40:44 <Macer> i might install opensolaris on my fileserver
Jun 08 00:40:48 <Macer> and get rid of nexenta
Jun 08 00:41:15 <Macer> i just dunno abut lvms because you have that traditional filesystem layer on them
Jun 08 00:41:29 <johnx_> dunno about what part?
Jun 08 00:41:56 <Macer> the part where you have to format the volume
Jun 08 00:42:11 <Macer> with like
Jun 08 00:42:15 <Macer> ext3 or something
Jun 08 00:42:34 <johnx_> yup. works great
Jun 08 00:42:46 <johnx_> been using it in a production environment for a couple years now
Jun 08 00:42:51 <johnx_> snapshots are totally awesome
Jun 08 00:43:09 <Macer> oh i have no doubt that it works
Jun 08 00:43:16 <Macer> i used it before
Jun 08 00:43:33 <Macer> just like zfs better
Jun 08 00:43:51 <Macer> maybe it's the integrated cifs/nfs stuff
Jun 08 00:44:16 <Macer> or multiple filesystems in a pool with the ability to hard limit them or resize them fairly easily
Jun 08 00:44:20 <johnx_> from a design perspective it looks cleaner on a sheet of paper I guess, but in practice moving to OpenSolaris is a non-starter at my office
Jun 08 00:44:23 <Macer> those sort of things seemed difficult for lvm :)
Jun 08 00:44:38 <Macer> or i just didn't take the time to really learn how to use it to tell you  the truth
Jun 08 00:44:53 <johnx_> you can resize volumes and then resize ext3 over them without problems I believe
Jun 08 00:45:01 <johnx_> not something we often do to running machines ;)
Jun 08 00:45:31 <Macer> oh i understand
Jun 08 00:45:42 <Macer> but i heard that lowering the size can be difficult
Jun 08 00:46:01 <Macer> shrinking it may be a pain... honestly don't know personally though
Jun 08 00:46:22 <johnx_> I can honestly say that was never a use case I considered
Jun 08 00:46:38 <Macer> as well as seeing people having problems using growfs to expand the ext3 stuff if they add more storage and want a larger single volume
Jun 08 00:47:38 <johnx_> supose so. never ran into that myself
Jun 08 00:48:24 <johnx_> anyways, headed out. gonna see star trek and stop tinkering with projects for a while :)
Jun 08 00:48:30 <johnx_> have fun with open solaris
Jun 08 00:48:33 <Macer> good movie ;)
Jun 08 02:48:28 <neo__> hi
Jun 08 02:49:07 <b-man16> hello
Jun 08 02:50:53 <tonyyarusso> Can anyone explain the format of the passwords.s file from the microb browser to me?  I'm wondering if there's a way to decode one.
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