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Jun 08 04:12:29 <timeless_mbp> tonyyarusso: feed it to a normal mozilla?
Jun 08 04:12:50 <tonyyarusso> timeless_mbp: I suppose that might work?
Jun 08 04:13:33 * timeless_mbp gets confused
Jun 08 04:13:40 <timeless_mbp> is that a statement or a question?
Jun 08 04:14:01 <tonyyarusso> both - trying it to see
Jun 08 04:14:17 <timeless_mbp> you'd want an approximately equivalent gecko
Jun 08 04:14:47 <timeless_mbp> and sometimes there's another file you want to take
Jun 08 04:14:58 <timeless_mbp> usually it's best to just take the entire profile directory
Jun 08 04:15:22 <timeless_mbp> modern versions of firefox let you do: firefox -P /path/to/a/random/profile
Jun 08 04:18:02 <jaem_N810> hey folks
Jun 08 04:18:52 <pupnik810> grah, esddsp broked again
Jun 08 04:19:15 <jaem_N810> just a quick question... is it relatively easy to share the wifi connection of an N810 over USBnet to a Linux desktop, or should I just forget it?
Jun 08 04:20:12 <jaem_N810> I understand Maemo's networking is a bit... strange
Jun 08 04:21:37 <johnx> I managed it once
Jun 08 04:21:51 <johnx> it's not the networking that was the problem, it was messing with usb modes
Jun 08 04:22:00 <johnx> though my maemo install has grown somewhat crusty
Jun 08 04:22:09 <johnx> I think I pulled it off with ipmasq/NAT
Jun 08 04:22:54 <jaem_N810> johnx: so it would be a fairly standard procedure from the networking end of things?
Jun 08 04:23:12 <jaem_N810> I'd have to look it up anyhow, but that would make it easier
Jun 08 04:23:52 <johnx> if you have your tablet talking to your desktop over usb networking, then just grab the ipmasq/nat modules for the kernel, and follow any basic NAT howto on Linux
Jun 08 04:24:08 <jaem_N810> ah, okay
Jun 08 04:24:29 <jaem_N810> I run Archlinux, and I have yet to figure out how to set up usb networking on it
Jun 08 04:24:42 <johnx> ifconfig usb0 192.168.2.1
Jun 08 04:24:51 <jaem_N810> oh... riiiiight
Jun 08 04:25:08 <johnx> should be ok on any linux, might need to s/usb0/somethingelse0/ on *bsd
Jun 08 04:25:30 <jaem_N810> I haven't set it up at all in ages, and I half the guides I found were outdated and/or unnecessarily convoluted
Jun 08 04:25:37 <jaem_N810> thanks, johnx ;)
Jun 08 04:25:46 <pupnik810> i cant get uae4all working
Jun 08 04:26:06 <jaem_N810> night
Jun 08 04:26:10 <pupnik810> cu
Jun 08 04:30:20 <johnx> poke rm_you
Jun 08 04:31:08 <johnx> rm_you, if you don't tell me not to I'm gonna post a pic that includes you from Copenhagen
Jun 08 04:44:19 <pupnik810> tear browser is wonderfully fast
Jun 08 04:44:42 <pupnik810> competes with desktop firefox
Jun 08 04:45:06 <johnx> yup, with that cookie fix that went in a while ago it even makes /. bearable
Jun 08 04:45:21 <johnx> well, the rendering is bearable, it hasn't fixed the editing
Jun 08 04:45:27 <johnx> *rimshot*
Jun 08 04:46:51 <zakkm> the cookie fix one is faster?
Jun 08 04:47:02 <zakkm> i have yet to update to the newest
Jun 08 04:47:21 <johnx> just use qole's repository
Jun 08 04:47:36 <zakkm> it wont refresh
Jun 08 04:47:44 <johnx> bummer
Jun 08 04:47:53 <zakkm> heh
Jun 08 04:47:56 <zakkm> does it make tear faster?
Jun 08 04:47:57 <johnx> well, yeah, grab the latest webkit then, defiinitely
Jun 08 04:48:07 <zakkm> i use webkit nightly on my mac
Jun 08 04:48:10 <zakkm> but yeah
Jun 08 04:48:25 <johnx> so much yes. basically there was some slowdown with the way it processed cookies when loading a page
Jun 08 04:48:42 <zakkm> awesome :)
Jun 08 04:48:42 <johnx> so after the cookie database started to get big (like 200KB+) it slowed things down a lot
Jun 08 04:52:04 <pupnik810> ah
Jun 08 04:52:19 <pupnik810> i miss a "find
Jun 08 04:52:27 <pupnik810> in page"
Jun 08 04:52:48 <pupnik810> esp for irclogs :/
Jun 08 04:53:21 <johnx> yeah. that's my most wanted feature
Jun 08 04:54:51 <pupnik810> does mer have /dec/dsp support (oss)?
Jun 08 04:55:58 <johnx> I don't believe so, but I'm not the one working on sound
Jun 08 04:56:11 <johnx> I think the idea is to support pulseaudio and alsa
Jun 08 04:56:39 <Macer> johnx: like star trek?
Jun 08 04:56:47 <Macer> i thought it was pretty good
Jun 08 04:56:49 <johnx> yup. lots of fun
Jun 08 04:57:09 <Macer> like the way they side stepped the total trek nerds with the whole parallel timeline thing
Jun 08 04:57:23 <Macer> so you don't get dorkuses saying "That model of starship wasn't even around in that stardate!"
Jun 08 04:57:27 <Macer> haha
Jun 08 04:57:35 <pupnik810> i dont have time to change sound backend to alsa
Jun 08 04:57:50 <johnx> for uae4all?
Jun 08 04:58:06 <pupnik810> and others
Jun 08 04:58:23 <johnx> maemo doesn't have /dev/dsp either, right?
Jun 08 04:58:37 <pupnik810> a new NES emu is working nice here
Jun 08 04:58:54 <pupnik810> mknod /dev/dsp c 14 3
Jun 08 04:59:05 <johnx> heh
Jun 08 04:59:29 <pupnik810> and using a seperate libesd with LD_PRELOAD through esddsp script
Jun 08 04:59:45 <pupnik810> but im not getting sound and dunna why
Jun 08 04:59:47 <johnx> Macer, yeah, I also like that they didn't try to wrap it all up neatly in the end. I'd like to see more movies in this alternate timeline
Jun 08 05:00:05 <zakkm> you guys all excited about wwdc09 in 12 hours?/
Jun 08 05:00:14 <Macer> me too. it was pretty good.. some of the stuff was the same. like when he cheats on the test
Jun 08 05:01:07 <johnx> zakkm, I was lots more excited about the pre, but getting to play with maemo5 on a real device cured me of even that :)
Jun 08 05:01:26 <Macer> heh
Jun 08 05:01:37 <Macer> the palm pre? :)
Jun 08 05:01:43 <johnx> yeah
Jun 08 05:01:53 <Macer> isn't it an iphone raped?
Jun 08 05:02:25 <Macer> say what you want about apple and an iphone but it seriously set the trend
Jun 08 05:02:35 <johnx> you mean: "Did they actually pay attention to what the iphone did right instead of pretending like it never happened?"
Jun 08 05:02:54 <Macer> haha
Jun 08 05:03:05 <johnx> anyone who doesn't take some design cues from the iphone at this point would be worse than stupid
Jun 08 05:03:10 <Macer> yeah.. now if only nokia would take notice with their phones and use something other tha symbian
Jun 08 05:03:24 <johnx> it would be like ignoring the mouse when you're making a new desktop OS for the masses
Jun 08 05:03:31 <Macer> haha
Jun 08 05:03:48 <Macer> yeah i suppose so
Jun 08 05:03:55 <johnx> Macer, well they do have something besides Symbian in their stable :)
Jun 08 05:04:01 <zakkm> heh i meant Snow leopard, not the new iphone :P
Jun 08 05:04:18 <johnx> what are they even adding in show leopard?
Jun 08 05:04:25 <Macer> zfs?
Jun 08 05:04:26 <Macer> :)
Jun 08 05:04:26 <zakkm> 64-bit support
Jun 08 05:04:27 <zakkm> zfs
Jun 08 05:04:33 <johnx> eh
Jun 08 05:04:36 <Macer> zakkm: will it be able to boot zfs?
Jun 08 05:04:38 <zakkm> openCL ( videocard acceleration over cpu )
Jun 08 05:04:39 <johnx> I'll probably give it a pass
Jun 08 05:04:59 <zakkm> heh
Jun 08 05:05:02 <Macer> if thtey integrate zfs into the os properly.. it will be pretty awesome
Jun 08 05:05:02 <zakkm> dont know much :P
Jun 08 05:05:05 <zakkm> thats why im excited :D
Jun 08 05:05:17 <zakkm> Macer: saw somewhere zfs is 10x faster than hfs+
Jun 08 05:05:19 <zakkm> or something
Jun 08 05:05:23 <Macer> of course it is
Jun 08 05:05:25 <Macer> :)
Jun 08 05:05:30 <Macer> and 10x less bad
Jun 08 05:05:33 <Macer> haha
Jun 08 05:05:43 <Macer> why they stuck with hfs i will never know
Jun 08 05:05:43 <zakkm> thats what im waiting for :P
Jun 08 05:06:06 <johnx> well it least it has unix permissions
Jun 08 05:06:15 <Macer> haha
Jun 08 05:06:31 <Macer> yeah i suppose that's a + :)
Jun 08 05:06:31 <johnx> the hfs tagline should read: well at least it's not FAT32, right?
Jun 08 05:06:35 <zakkm> macer did you try that network patch
Jun 08 05:06:38 <Macer> hahha
Jun 08 05:06:50 <Macer> zakkm: i didn't see it
Jun 08 05:07:00 <Macer> so i am guessing it is something that was already used on the disc but still didn't work
Jun 08 05:07:16 <zakkm> might not of added it to that disc then
Jun 08 05:07:21 <Macer> hm
Jun 08 05:07:38 <Macer> well. i was wrokign more so on the opensolaris on the artigo lately
Jun 08 05:07:51 <Macer> opensolaris is probably the best server :)
Jun 08 05:07:52 <zakkm> ah i so want to update from 10.5.6 :P
Jun 08 05:08:00 <zakkm> really?
Jun 08 05:08:00 <Macer> i tried to do that
Jun 08 05:08:04 <Macer> and lost all the drivers haha
Jun 08 05:08:09 <zakkm> i have to make a server later in the summer
Jun 08 05:08:13 <zakkm> web server mostly
Jun 08 05:08:20 <zakkm> heh yeah
Jun 08 05:08:22 <Macer> i guess i could have moved the backup extensions over to the update but i just got sick of the lan not working
Jun 08 05:08:23 <zakkm> i backed them up
Jun 08 05:08:30 <johnx> 10.5.7 works fine, but it failed to boot correctly one time
Jun 08 05:08:41 <zakkm> johnx: real or hackintosh?
Jun 08 05:08:48 <johnx> real
Jun 08 05:08:53 <Macer> i think if i want to use osx i will just get an actual mac or something
Jun 08 05:09:05 <Macer> johnx: it is rare that any leopard update does anything noticable
Jun 08 05:09:12 <zakkm> ..
Jun 08 05:09:14 <Macer> i think most of them are just to discourage running it on PC stuff
Jun 08 05:09:16 <johnx> I noticed the fail to boot :)
Jun 08 05:09:19 <zakkm> the updates do huge stuff
Jun 08 05:09:23 <Macer> haha
Jun 08 05:09:30 <zakkm> the 10.5.7 did a 20% opengl performance boost :P
Jun 08 05:09:31 <Macer> zakkm: well.. it has zfs  :)
Jun 08 05:09:32 <johnx> yeah, new version of itunes! woo!
Jun 08 05:09:35 <zakkm> and a 35% battery life
Jun 08 05:09:39 <Macer> seriously?
Jun 08 05:09:42 <zakkm> yes
Jun 08 05:09:45 <Macer> on a macbook?
Jun 08 05:09:46 <Macer> :)
Jun 08 05:09:47 <johnx> uh huh. 35%
Jun 08 05:09:48 <zakkm> noo
Jun 08 05:09:48 <johnx> right
Jun 08 05:09:52 <zakkm> it did~
Jun 08 05:09:56 <zakkm> on hackintoshs anyways
Jun 08 05:10:00 <johnx> heh
Jun 08 05:10:00 <zakkm> on the atom netbooks
Jun 08 05:10:00 <Macer> lol!
Jun 08 05:10:11 <zakkm> thats why lately everyones thinking apple is coming out with one
Jun 08 05:10:22 <zakkm> cause the latest mac version gave a battery boost to them
Jun 08 05:10:27 <Macer> well... i know they have zfs on there for some reason
Jun 08 05:10:46 <Macer> which is a pretty moot point after you have already installed with hfs and can't really use it
Jun 08 05:10:56 <johnx> ah! it must be atom based, battery powered servers!
Jun 08 05:11:03 <zakkm> lol
Jun 08 05:11:11 <zakkm> either way, the updates do alot ;p
Jun 08 05:11:13 * johnx leaks the news to engadget
Jun 08 05:11:22 <Macer>  mace$ sudo zpool list
Jun 08 05:11:23 <Macer> no pools available
Jun 08 05:11:34 <johnx> yup, after 10.5.7 my coworkers macbook fails to suspend sometimes too :)
Jun 08 05:11:51 <zakkm> suspend to ram?
Jun 08 05:11:51 <johnx> yeah, no pools in my neighborhood either
Jun 08 05:11:52 <Macer> my mb has been fine. i've never had any problems like that after updating
Jun 08 05:11:58 <Macer> johnx: hha
Jun 08 05:12:00 <johnx> which is a shame cause the weather is so nice
Jun 08 05:12:14 * zakkm has a neighborhood pool nearby, but no family owned ones
Jun 08 05:12:19 * zakkm cant swim
Jun 08 05:12:22 <Macer> well. :) i wish a thing would have popped up that said "Would you like to conver the entire hard disk to zfs?"
Jun 08 05:12:25 <johnx> only did it a couple times, but I seem to cause mac instability
Jun 08 05:12:25 <Macer> then i'd be happy
Jun 08 05:12:30 <Macer> zfs kicks ass
Jun 08 05:12:33 <johnx> I have the same effect on windows installs
Jun 08 05:12:53 <zakkm> mac osx rules :)
Jun 08 05:12:56 <Macer> only time i had problems like that ... was with my G3
Jun 08 05:13:01 <zakkm> you guys use xslimmer?
Jun 08 05:13:07 <Macer> going from like 10.4 to like 10.4.9 or something
Jun 08 05:13:10 <johnx> xslimmer?
Jun 08 05:13:20 <Macer> i still have that G3... i should throw it out or something
Jun 08 05:13:27 <zakkm> takes out languages/ppc out of packages.
Jun 08 05:13:36 <zakkm> making all the installed apps smaller size
Jun 08 05:13:40 <zakkm> my itunes is 52mb :P
Jun 08 05:13:41 <Macer> that sucks... i wish apple would release a ppc
Jun 08 05:13:44 <Macer> just otu of nowhere
Jun 08 05:13:47 <Macer> out :(
Jun 08 05:13:49 <zakkm> lol
Jun 08 05:13:54 <zakkm> snow leopard has no ppc support :p
Jun 08 05:13:56 <Macer> like a G6 "Special PPC edition"
Jun 08 05:13:58 <Macer> i know :(
Jun 08 05:14:00 <Macer> bastards
Jun 08 05:14:02 <zakkm> well maybe
Jun 08 05:14:05 <zakkm> might change their minds
Jun 08 05:14:12 <Macer> heh.. no they're supposed to be getting rid of it altogether
Jun 08 05:14:16 <zakkm> quicktime X looks awesome :D
Jun 08 05:14:20 <johnx> zakkm, nope. I feel no need to hack up desktop OSes this decade
Jun 08 05:14:24 <Macer> i hope they get into an accident .. and die for that
Jun 08 05:14:39 <zakkm> johnx: i love ibook's / powerbook g4's :D
Jun 08 05:14:45 <Macer> heh
Jun 08 05:14:46 <zakkm> wish i could afford one
Jun 08 05:14:53 <Macer> G5s kick ass too
Jun 08 05:15:03 <Macer> sigh
Jun 08 05:15:08 * zakkm computer is faster than the highest-end imac
Jun 08 05:15:11 <johnx> I like my G3, but feel no need to put mac os x on it
Jun 08 05:15:19 <Macer> lol
Jun 08 05:15:24 <Macer> it isn't worth it ;)
Jun 08 05:15:24 <zakkm> eww OS9 ?
Jun 08 05:15:26 <Macer> haha
Jun 08 05:15:30 <Macer> it slows it down pretty bad
Jun 08 05:15:44 <zakkm> i hate OS9 has no intel support ;p
Jun 08 05:15:50 <Macer> good!
Jun 08 05:15:50 <zakkm> i want to play the sims 1 :)
Jun 08 05:15:51 <Macer> lol
Jun 08 05:15:55 <johnx> zakkm, nah, linux and wiiOS
Jun 08 05:16:02 <johnx> or whatever the official name is
Jun 08 05:16:05 <Macer> wiiOS?
Jun 08 05:16:11 <Macer> wtf?
Jun 08 05:16:24 <johnx> my G3 is a Wii
Jun 08 05:16:27 <Macer> hahahha!
Jun 08 05:16:34 <zakkm> wii's use ppc
Jun 08 05:16:34 <Macer> can you put osx on it??
Jun 08 05:16:35 <Macer> :)
Jun 08 05:16:50 <Macer> that would be awesome lol
Jun 08 05:16:51 <johnx> I think it would be more fun to watch you try and do that to yours :>
Jun 08 05:16:58 <Macer> no thanks
Jun 08 05:17:00 <zakkm> what you talking about
Jun 08 05:17:04 <johnx> yeah, like 70MB of RAM
Jun 08 05:17:07 <Macer> i just finished getting my wii all hack0red
Jun 08 05:17:08 <zakkm> you install wii emulation + wiimote on your mac PC :D
Jun 08 05:17:20 <Macer> with all the games on an external
Jun 08 05:17:23 <Macer> i have like 90 games on it :)
Jun 08 05:17:30 <Macer> it's great
Jun 08 05:17:37 <johnx> eh
Jun 08 05:18:02 <Macer> the usb cover loader is awesome too. i was playing the mushroom men game
Jun 08 05:18:04 <Macer> that game kicks ass
Jun 08 05:18:30 <zakkm> yo do you still need a wii modchip?
Jun 08 05:19:04 <johnx> yeah, but most people call them SD cards
Jun 08 05:19:14 <johnx> I'll sell you this 1GB wii modchip for $100 ;)
Jun 08 05:19:14 <Macer> lol
Jun 08 05:19:24 <zakkm> you can just use a sd card?
Jun 08 05:19:32 <Macer> zakkm: yeah... it's pretty easy too
Jun 08 05:19:43 <zakkm> no actual hardware hacking/physical?
Jun 08 05:19:48 <zakkm> i would really like that for a friend
Jun 08 05:19:55 <johnx> you do have to put the "mod chip" into the front
Jun 08 05:19:59 <Macer> nothing major
Jun 08 05:20:08 <Macer> you have to keep pulling out the SD to get all the stuff on it
Jun 08 05:20:08 <zakkm> the n800 has taught me well :)
Jun 08 05:20:22 <Macer> back and forth and back and forth until you get it right
Jun 08 05:20:30 <zakkm> ?
Jun 08 05:20:37 <zakkm> have to copy all data onto the wii?
Jun 08 05:20:47 <Macer> no.. there are just a few apps that you need
Jun 08 05:20:51 <Macer> but i kept screwing up
Jun 08 05:20:57 <Macer> then there is also a modded bootloader
Jun 08 05:21:04 <Macer> so you can back up the internal flash
Jun 08 05:21:08 <johnx> it was stupidly easier back before the latest version
Jun 08 05:21:12 <Macer> in case you update by accident
Jun 08 05:21:27 <johnx> when I did it you just unpacked a zip onto the sd card, copied a save game and started playing zelda
Jun 08 05:21:31 <zakkm> ahh i should tell him hah in the mroning
Jun 08 05:21:35 <Macer> heh
Jun 08 05:21:38 <Macer> i think it's easier now
Jun 08 05:21:48 <Macer> that zelda hack looked like it would take too long
Jun 08 05:22:08 <johnx> it really was exactly the steps I just described ;)
Jun 08 05:22:09 <Macer> you can play online with it still :)
Jun 08 05:22:31 <Macer> yeah but bannerbomb doesn't even require you load a game :)
Jun 08 05:22:52 <zakkm> thats awesome, i should try that
Jun 08 05:23:11 <zakkm> gotta go over anyways , gavea him my 160gb internal harddrive
Jun 08 05:23:17 <zakkm> he had a 14gb harddrive for his pc, hah
Jun 08 05:23:36 <zakkm> and i was going to clone the partition, and throw out the 14gb, but only had enough time to stick in the 160
Jun 08 05:24:10 <Macer> well. i'm using like 300G on a 400G and didn't even get all the games :)
Jun 08 05:24:41 <Macer> punch out is ok. i found my GC controllers too so i want to start using that. i don't like the motion controllers
Jun 08 05:24:52 <Macer> house of the dead overkill is real funny
Jun 08 05:25:14 <johnx> the wiimotes are actually pretty fun for a lot of games
Jun 08 05:25:27 <Macer> i guess. i don't like playing punch out with them
Jun 08 05:25:27 <johnx> or maybe I'm just amused by novelty
Jun 08 05:25:45 <Macer> and mario kart kind of sucks with the seperated remote
Jun 08 05:25:46 <johnx> I heard you can use the wii fit board for punchout
Jun 08 05:25:53 <Macer> although mario kart kicks ass :)
Jun 08 05:25:57 <Macer> if you drift you get a boost
Jun 08 05:26:12 <Macer> you couldn't win the n64 one without learning how to drift through the entire race
Jun 08 05:26:14 <johnx> yeah, admittedly mario kart is no fun trying to play it by waving the controller around
Jun 08 05:26:31 <Macer> well. you don't have to... that steering wheel crap is a waste
Jun 08 05:26:44 <Macer> it's better with the controls in your hands
Jun 08 05:26:55 <Macer> although house of the dead sucks without the gun thing
Jun 08 05:27:10 <zakkm> i like super mario strikers :)
Jun 08 05:27:15 <zakkm> the soccer one
Jun 08 05:27:19 <Macer> overkill had me dying laughing during the intro
Jun 08 05:27:35 <zakkm> dont game much, but remember when that came out, 2 friends and i.. omg that was fun
Jun 08 05:27:38 <Macer> he'll cut your balls off "i'm gonna cut your motha fuckin balls off"
Jun 08 05:27:53 <Macer> i'm glad nintendo didn't keep it all kiddie like they usually do
Jun 08 05:27:59 <Macer> they allowed developers to make adult games
Jun 08 05:28:33 <johnx> now if only they were allowed to make 'adult' games ...
Jun 08 05:28:34 <Macer> remember mortal kombat when it first came out and the snes one was awesome but all the fatalities sucked and sweat instead of blood? :)
Jun 08 05:28:48 <Macer> lol. the wii penis attachment controller?
Jun 08 05:28:54 * Macer could see that
Jun 08 05:28:59 <Macer> they probably have them in japan
Jun 08 05:29:10 <johnx> the thing already comes with a freakin' silicon condom
Jun 08 05:29:17 <johnx> and it vibrates
Jun 08 05:29:26 <johnx> this isn't exactly a real leap...
Jun 08 05:29:36 <Macer> i could see them researching vaginas in the nintendo building basement
Jun 08 05:30:05 <zakkm> lol
Jun 08 05:30:08 <zakkm> how old are you both?
Jun 08 05:30:33 <johnx> old enough to find 6th grade humor funny
Jun 08 05:35:40 <Macer> lol
Jun 08 05:35:54 <Macer> this son of mine just will not go to sleep
Jun 08 05:36:00 <Macer> i'm about to spike his sippy cup
Jun 08 05:36:24 <johnx> "one for me, one for baby."
Jun 08 05:36:26 <zakkm> omg
Jun 08 05:36:27 <Macer> lol
Jun 08 05:36:36 <Macer> it's 12:30am here
Jun 08 05:36:44 <zakkm> its 1;30am here
Jun 08 05:36:47 <Macer> i hardly slept.. i'm dying
Jun 08 05:37:05 <zakkm> heh dont trust him to sleep on his own?
Jun 08 05:37:12 <Macer> no. he will
Jun 08 05:37:23 <Macer> i don't trust him when he wakes up ;)
Jun 08 05:37:33 <Macer> 3yr olds have a tendancy to do .... things
Jun 08 05:38:29 <Macer> you know.. when you wake up and find that somehow these "erasable crayons" don't really erase as well as they should from the wall
Jun 08 05:38:43 <zakkm> :)
Jun 08 05:39:19 <Macer> transmission hardly uses the cpu
Jun 08 05:39:30 <johnx> ah, there's a fix for that
Jun 08 05:39:45 <Macer> what's that? load 50 torrents?
Jun 08 05:39:48 <zakkm> did you hear about the transmission for mac bug?
Jun 08 05:40:00 <Macer> no. never used it on a mac.. never used it at all really
Jun 08 05:40:00 <zakkm> one version fo transmission a while back, started slowly crashing mac osx
Jun 08 05:40:09 <zakkm> to the point it becomes unusable/ gotta reformat
Jun 08 05:40:13 <Macer> only reason i'm using it now is because it's the only thing opensolaris has
Jun 08 05:40:14 <johnx> heh
Jun 08 05:40:27 <Macer> probably a problem with hfs+
Jun 08 05:40:28 <Macer> :)
Jun 08 05:40:38 <Macer> like the smb/nfs forking of files
Jun 08 05:40:52 * zakkm doesnt use torrents, highly dangerous in his country
Jun 08 05:40:54 <johnx> my search for a torrent client goes like this: pick a torrent client: does it download torrents? if yes, exit $SUCCESS
Jun 08 05:41:00 <Macer> they need to fire the guy who didn't  notice that idiocy
Jun 08 05:41:08 <Macer> haha
Jun 08 05:41:15 <Macer> yeah. that's why i used rtorrent forever
Jun 08 05:41:18 <johnx> never moved off of transmission
Jun 08 05:41:25 <johnx> ah, I did used to use rtorrent
Jun 08 05:41:27 <johnx> worked really nicely
Jun 08 05:41:34 <zakkm> my search goes : pick a torrent client: does it download torrents? can it be skinned? if yes, exit :P
Jun 08 05:41:37 <johnx> once I put up a server again I'll probably start using it again
Jun 08 05:41:46 <Macer> sure did. especially when you learned how to move the complete files to another dir :)
Jun 08 05:42:07 <Macer> lol.. that was kind of a pain when it couldn't do that.. but yeah it works great if you have a good config for it
Jun 08 05:42:09 <johnx> rtorrent has the best skins
Jun 08 05:42:15 <Macer> it has skins?
Jun 08 05:42:20 <Macer> ascii? :)
Jun 08 05:42:20 <zakkm> you can use "completed directory" as a network folder :)
Jun 08 05:42:30 <Macer> zakkm: that's what i do
Jun 08 05:42:40 <Macer> for hellanzb and whatever torrent client
Jun 08 05:42:41 <johnx> yup, just open the options for your terminal...
Jun 08 05:42:49 <zakkm> i like mac terminal :D
Jun 08 05:42:54 <Macer> i rarely use torrents
Jun 08 05:43:01 <Macer> only under dire circumstances
Jun 08 05:43:09 <Macer> or for testing
Jun 08 05:43:18 <zakkm> johnx: do you use transmit for sending to nokia/sending from nokia.. sftp?
Jun 08 05:43:32 <zakkm> ive found it very helpful
Jun 08 05:44:01 <johnx> I use scp/sftp from the terminal
Jun 08 05:44:03 <johnx> or rsync
Jun 08 05:44:15 <zakkm> from terminal?
Jun 08 05:44:19 <zakkm> dont like gui of transmit?
Jun 08 05:44:20 <johnx> I guess I have cyberduck installed, but it usually takes more effort to use a GUI
Jun 08 05:44:27 <zakkm> heh
Jun 08 05:44:33 <zakkm> i click transmit on dock.. click nokia
Jun 08 05:44:36 <zakkm> and then drag ?
Jun 08 05:44:50 <Macer>  mace$ sudo zpool list
Jun 08 05:44:50 <Macer> no pools available
Jun 08 05:44:53 <johnx> the drag happens after you dig through your folders to find the right file though
Jun 08 05:44:56 <Macer> wtf...
Jun 08 05:45:10 <zakkm> and how do you do it in terminal?
Jun 08 05:45:27 <johnx> scp Downloads/Music/foo.mp3 john@tablet:
Jun 08 05:45:30 <zakkm> Macer: you have to make a pool :P
Jun 08 05:45:38 <Macer> i know :-P
Jun 08 05:45:39 <zakkm> johnx you go into downloads then music.. and type foo
Jun 08 05:45:41 <Macer> areca                  6.2T   2.0T   4.2T    33%    /mnt/archive
Jun 08 05:45:41 <Macer> areca/Downloads.Complete 6.2T    15G   4.2T     1%    /mnt/archive/Downloads.Complete
Jun 08 05:45:42 <zakkm> and it will goto the file
Jun 08 05:45:45 <Macer> that's what i was trying to do heh
Jun 08 05:45:59 <zakkm> johnx: if your in a directory you can start typing and it will goto the file
Jun 08 05:46:01 <Macer> odd the way it uses the filesystems under the main pool
Jun 08 05:46:25 <Macer> moving stuff acts as 2 seperate filesystems tho :-\ that kind of sucks
Jun 08 05:46:45 <johnx> zakkm, I know, but I have a terminal open more often than a finder window
Jun 08 05:46:53 <johnx> and hands on the keyboard more often than hands on the mouse
Jun 08 05:47:20 <zakkm> omg i want your harddrives Macer :D
Jun 08 05:47:25 <zakkm> i just have a 640gb in my computer
Jun 08 05:47:36 <zakkm> cant afford more ;p
Jun 08 05:47:43 <zakkm> only got 640gb cause it was $5 more than 500gig ;p
Jun 08 05:48:38 <johnx> biggest drive is 200GB, yet I have over 1TB of total storage
Jun 08 05:48:51 <konttori__> morning all!
Jun 08 05:48:52 <johnx> er, scratch that, guess I have the 500GB one hooked in too
Jun 08 05:48:59 <Stskeeps> morning konttori__
Jun 08 05:49:01 <johnx> morning konttori :)
Jun 08 05:49:02 <zakkm> konttori: morning
Jun 08 05:49:20 <zakkm> now Stskeeps comes here to chat :P
Jun 08 05:49:41 * konttori__ was yesterday making ukmp to be rotateable to portrait and landscape modes. pressing space rotates the entire UI now.
Jun 08 05:50:04 <zakkm> konttori: that leaves out the n800 ppl :)
Jun 08 05:50:15 <konttori__> well, it can be some other button as well
Jun 08 05:50:21 <zakkm> :)
Jun 08 05:50:30 <zakkm> i dont know how to use that player ;p
Jun 08 05:50:34 <konttori__> Hmm.. I need to backport the fremantle ukmp to the 'old' devices
Jun 08 05:50:35 <zakkm> started using gpe audio player hah
Jun 08 05:50:40 <konttori__> lol!
Jun 08 05:51:06 <zakkm> or my 256mb mp3 player soemtimes
Jun 08 05:52:31 * konttori__ likes the streamtuner a lot as well as youamp. (in addition to the obvious canola2 and ukmp)
Jun 08 05:58:31 <johnx> off topic: any suggestions for a command line player (besides mplayer) that supports pulseaudio output?
Jun 08 06:02:40 <zakkm> johnx: hows that off topic?
Jun 08 06:02:47 <zakkm> talking about music players here
Jun 08 06:03:02 <johnx> well, it's not really a maemo question
Jun 08 06:03:30 <Stskeeps> fremantle q maybe
Jun 08 06:03:40 <zakkm> cant mpd do it?
Jun 08 06:03:53 <zakkm> herrie can i think
Jun 08 06:04:47 <zakkm> johnx: Herrie now has native PulseAudio, Mac OS X, and ALSA audio output modules
Jun 08 06:05:08 <thux> morning
Jun 08 06:05:14 <zakkm> how come theres no mpd for maemo?
Jun 08 06:05:21 <zakkm> it cant find it
Jun 08 06:05:42 <johnx> thanks. herrie looks useful for testing :)
Jun 08 06:05:55 <zakkm> how come i can get sonata, but no mpd :(
Jun 08 06:06:19 <qwerty12> zakkm: There's an old version in garage. I built a kick ass version one (supported *every* format and VFP) but I lost the effin debs >.<)
Jun 08 06:06:36 <zakkm> supported every format
Jun 08 06:06:39 <zakkm> i only use ogg / mp3 :P
Jun 08 06:06:50 <zakkm> theres not many popular ones ;p
Jun 08 06:06:52 <qwerty12> Ah, but I was on an MPD high then :P
Jun 08 06:06:57 <qwerty12> *a
Jun 08 06:07:20 <zakkm> maemo garage one is from 2007 ;p
Jun 08 06:08:12 <zakkm> wait wouldnt a normal arm one work?
Jun 08 06:08:18 <zakkm> its not exactly a gui
Jun 08 06:08:50 <zakkm> http://packages.debian.org/experimental/armel/mpd/download would that work?
Jun 08 06:08:56 <qwerty12> No, because they need to be built with ao support enabled and debian builds are not done with that last time I checked.
Jun 08 06:09:16 <zakkm> ah man :(
Jun 08 06:09:26 <zakkm> i really should learn scratchbox and stuff
Jun 08 06:09:28 <zakkm> is it hard?
Jun 08 06:10:08 <johnx> only if you want to do things that are fun
Jun 08 06:10:33 <zakkm> no just normal like mpd and such
Jun 08 06:10:37 <zakkm> things i want :)
Jun 08 06:11:35 <pupnik810> i thought there was mpd on garage
Jun 08 06:11:40 <zakkm> its from 2007
Jun 08 06:11:47 <zakkm> example ;p
Jun 08 06:12:32 <zakkm> how hard is it?
Jun 08 06:12:49 <pupnik810> i did it and am not really a coder
Jun 08 06:13:00 <zakkm> how long it take?
Jun 08 06:13:18 <zakkm> good mac support ? :D
Jun 08 06:13:18 <pupnik810> a couple weeks
Jun 08 06:13:30 <zakkm> couple of weeks to install?
Jun 08 06:13:55 <pupnik810> to where i learned enough to start using it
Jun 08 06:14:07 <johnx> no mac support
Jun 08 06:14:26 <zakkm> no mac ? :O
Jun 08 06:14:28 <johnx> it relies on lots of really linux-specific functionality
Jun 08 06:14:31 <zakkm> johnx: how do oyou do it then?
Jun 08 06:14:37 <johnx> I use linux
Jun 08 06:14:41 <zakkm> on a mac?
Jun 08 06:14:46 <johnx> no, on linux
Jun 08 06:14:51 <zakkm> i dont want to leave mac :(
Jun 08 06:14:54 <johnx> I have a work macbook
Jun 08 06:14:58 <johnx> and I have a home linux machine
Jun 08 06:15:03 <zakkm> ahh
Jun 08 06:15:07 <zakkm> i dont want to leave mac :(
Jun 08 06:15:11 <zakkm> would virtualbox do?
Jun 08 06:15:15 <johnx> install vmware or virtual box or something
Jun 08 06:15:15 <johnx> yeha
Jun 08 06:15:21 <zakkm> i got the 2.2.4 :P
Jun 08 06:15:25 <zakkm> wanted to test out compiz :D
Jun 08 06:15:37 <johnx> just grab the scratchbox sdk vmdk then
Jun 08 06:15:38 <zakkm> theres compiz support inside virtual machine :D
Jun 08 06:15:55 <zakkm> is it up to date?
Jun 08 06:16:01 <ShadowJK> there's a scratchbox sdk vmdk? :)
Jun 08 06:16:09 <zakkm> http://maemovmware.garage.maemo.org/beta1/requirements_documentation.html ?
Jun 08 06:16:27 <zakkm> Under OS X, for some reason, the network interfaces aren't configured as expected, so the interface can be either eth0, eth1, eth2, or eth3 in some cases. dhclient will catch them
Jun 08 06:16:31 <zakkm> :(
Jun 08 06:17:13 <zakkm> johnx: which do i get?
Jun 08 06:17:31 <zakkm> Maemo_Diablo_Ubuntu_Intrepid_Server_SDK_Virtual_Image.zip
Jun 08 06:17:33 <zakkm> is that right?
Jun 08 06:17:41 <johnx> get the desktop one
Jun 08 06:17:47 <zakkm> that filesize is too big
Jun 08 06:17:56 <johnx> given that you seem to enjoy the GUI, you want the desktop version
Jun 08 06:17:57 <zakkm> im over my bandwidth and it charges $2 a gb for going over
Jun 08 06:18:03 <zakkm> i hate ubuntu though
Jun 08 06:18:04 <zakkm> :)
Jun 08 06:18:10 <zakkm> and its in a virtual machine so i wont mind
Jun 08 06:18:37 <zakkm> Maemo Diablo SDK Virtual Image with Ubuntu Intrepid Server (for Eclipse IDE and for other than Debian based Linux host PCs)
Jun 08 06:18:39 <zakkm> 235mb?
Jun 08 06:18:41 <zakkm> is that what i want?
Jun 08 06:18:56 <johnx> er, maybe?
Jun 08 06:18:59 <johnx> I've never used it
Jun 08 06:19:08 <zakkm> no like is that the proper thing for nokia making?
Jun 08 06:19:16 <zakkm> i download that, and i can start?
Jun 08 06:19:19 <johnx> yeah, I've never used the vmware image
Jun 08 06:19:22 <johnx> I don't know
Jun 08 06:19:53 <johnx> I'd give it a firm "probably" though
Jun 08 06:20:01 <zakkm> okay getting it
Jun 08 06:20:04 <zakkm> done in 13 min :)
Jun 08 06:20:15 <zakkm> 378kb/s .. i got slow internet :D
Jun 08 06:20:35 <zakkm> is there a crazy long scratchbox manual i can read?
Jun 08 06:20:43 <johnx> oh, definitely
Jun 08 06:20:54 <johnx> search for: maemo sdk documentation
Jun 08 06:21:11 <zakkm> waitt
Jun 08 06:21:12 <zakkm> http://maemovmware.garage.maemo.org/beta1/requirements_documentation.html
Jun 08 06:21:19 <zakkm> its like add to /etc/rc.local.. does that mean i have to do that?
Jun 08 06:21:21 <zakkm> or they did that
Jun 08 06:23:03 <Macer> hm.
Jun 08 06:23:08 <Macer> how do i chmod without touching dirs
Jun 08 06:23:17 <zakkm> ?
Jun 08 06:23:26 <zakkm> without changing timestamp?
Jun 08 06:23:40 <Macer> well.. actually what is a chmod tha will let me give owner rw access to files. group r to files.. and both rx to dirs?
Jun 08 06:23:48 <Macer> the directories confuse me
Jun 08 06:24:26 <Macer> i want to change perms to a huge dir with a ton of files but don't know what number would make certain changes to dirs (make them x so they can be entered) without making files x
Jun 08 06:24:32 <zakkm> you can do like chmod -rw-rrr-rw-r FILE/directory
Jun 08 06:24:35 <zakkm> or you can do numbers
Jun 08 06:24:37 <johnx> chmod -R a+rX /foo && chmod -R o+w /foo
Jun 08 06:24:44 <zakkm> like chmod 755 ___
Jun 08 06:24:52 <zakkm> 777, 555, 577
Jun 08 06:25:13 <johnx> s/+o/+og/
Jun 08 06:25:25 <zakkm> Macer: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chmod gives examples and tells you  ;p
Jun 08 06:25:29 <johnx> if you want owner and group to have write
Jun 08 06:25:42 <zakkm> chmod -R u+w,go-w docs/	change the permissions of the directory docs and all its contents to add write access for the user, and deny write access for everybody else.
Jun 08 06:25:44 <Macer> johnx: i want owner to have write and group to have read
Jun 08 06:25:44 <johnx> the capital X is the magic you're looking for though
Jun 08 06:25:47 <ShadowJK> "This image does not include Maemo SDK Development Environment"
Jun 08 06:25:53 <Macer> it's the directories that screw me up :)
Jun 08 06:25:56 <Macer> is it?
Jun 08 06:25:58 <zakkm> ShadowJK: is that from the vmdk?
Jun 08 06:26:01 <johnx> then, I think my first example is correct
Jun 08 06:26:06 <Macer> it only makes dirs +x?
Jun 08 06:26:29 <johnx> it only makes things +x if they're +x for someone already
Jun 08 06:26:37 <ShadowJK> zakkm, the readme file for the "tiny" vmdk download
Jun 08 06:26:45 <zakkm> thats what i want though :(
Jun 08 06:26:58 <zakkm> johnx: you lied to me!? :D
Jun 08 06:27:09 <zakkm> so how do i install sdk development environment then
Jun 08 06:27:10 <Macer> normally i'd use gentoo to chmod the stuff but it doesn't seem to work very well for it in nexenta
Jun 08 06:27:22 <zakkm> its the same chmod ...?
Jun 08 06:28:10 <zakkm> ShadowJK: dang, so how do i install the stuff then
Jun 08 06:28:39 <Macer> :) that's the one johnx .. let me give it a try
Jun 08 06:28:41 <johnx> zakkm, I said probably when you twisted my arm
Jun 08 06:28:49 <zakkm> hah
Jun 08 06:28:52 <zakkm> how do i install it then?
Jun 08 06:28:58 <zakkm> im so close to finish downloading i might as well keep it
Jun 08 06:29:16 <johnx> google: install maemo sdk
Jun 08 06:29:39 <johnx> but in the end you'll end up downloading as much or more then just grabbing the desktop version that's listed there
Jun 08 06:29:47 <Macer> hope that worked
Jun 08 06:29:51 <Macer> otherwise i'm in for a treat haha
Jun 08 06:30:09 <johnx> heh, I need to start putting boilerplate disclaimers on my advice
Jun 08 06:30:15 <zakkm> johnx: really? :(
Jun 08 06:30:18 <zakkm> thats a huge download
Jun 08 06:30:34 <Macer> oops. always get user and others confused :) keep thinking the o is owner
Jun 08 06:30:35 <johnx> the maemo sdk is like ~500MB+
Jun 08 06:30:44 <Macer> my son finally passed out
Jun 08 06:30:45 <Macer> !
Jun 08 06:30:58 <zakkm> johnx: thats still better than the other images ;p
Jun 08 06:31:03 <zakkm> the desktop one was like 1.8gb
Jun 08 06:31:08 <johnx> Macer, heh. that's my fault. I did it backwards too
Jun 08 06:32:01 <konttori__> is there already a fremantle vmware image?
Jun 08 06:32:47 <Macer> heh.. no.. usually i wouldn't have noticed and done the same thing ;)
Jun 08 06:32:54 <Macer> i keep thinking "o" .. "owner"
Jun 08 06:33:00 <Macer> i'm sure it's a common mistake :)
Jun 08 06:33:31 <Macer> i need to make a new group for this. blah.. i'll do that tomorrow
Jun 08 06:33:41 * Macer is going to start the archive group! woot!
Jun 08 06:35:55 <zakkm> wooh its booting
Jun 08 06:39:19 <zakkm> do i want eclipse-based ide?
Jun 08 06:39:25 <zakkm> or nokia binaries?
Jun 08 06:40:09 * johnx isn't making any more suggestions
Jun 08 06:40:15 <zakkm> heh why not
Jun 08 06:40:17 <zakkm> i was kidding :P
Jun 08 06:40:25 <zakkm> kk its downloading :)
Jun 08 06:40:28 <johnx> then probably nokia binaries
Jun 08 06:40:38 <zakkm> i chose diablo4.1.2 armel and i386
Jun 08 06:40:43 <johnx> you should only need eclipse if you're planning on doing a lot of coding
Jun 08 06:40:49 <zakkm> nope :)
Jun 08 06:40:52 <zakkm> just porting ^^
Jun 08 06:41:01 <zakkm> i cant code well
Jun 08 06:41:17 <zakkm> well cant code in any maemo languages anyways
Jun 08 06:41:39 <johnx> not many languages that aren't available on maemo except for vb
Jun 08 06:41:49 <zakkm> heh or useful
Jun 08 06:42:23 <zakkm> can do object oriental turing :P lol
Jun 08 06:42:37 <johnx> oriental turing?
Jun 08 06:42:50 <zakkm> yeah
Jun 08 06:42:51 <zakkm> :D
Jun 08 06:43:00 <johnx> is that an asian language?
Jun 08 06:43:08 <zakkm> lol its a begineer omne
Jun 08 06:43:22 <johnx> object oriented turing perhaps?
Jun 08 06:43:31 <zakkm> ah yes sorry
Jun 08 06:43:37 <johnx> heh
Jun 08 06:43:57 <zakkm> http://maemo-sdk.garage.maemo.org/maemo-sdk-installer.py
Jun 08 06:43:57 <johnx> usually I'm not a spelling jerk, but it was just too perfect of a setup
Jun 08 06:43:58 <zakkm> ahh
Jun 08 06:44:06 <zakkm> Turing is a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pascal_programming_language-like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Programming_language developed in 1982 by http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ric_Holt and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Cordy, then of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Toronto, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada. Turing is a descendant of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euclid_programming_language, http://en.wik
Jun 08 06:44:13 <zakkm> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turing_(programming_language)
Jun 08 06:44:46 <zakkm> johnx: im tired, its 2;44am here
Jun 08 06:45:25 <johnx> no mean intent, I'm just a sucker for making crappy puns
Jun 08 06:45:39 <zakkm> so you say maemo sdk is 500mb-ish?
Jun 08 06:45:48 <johnx> probably around that
Jun 08 06:45:58 <johnx> give or take ~100MB in either direction
Jun 08 06:46:03 <zakkm> kk ill wait
Jun 08 06:46:14 <zakkm> wondering if its worth waiting, or goto bed and leave it downloading
Jun 08 06:46:31 <zakkm> heh think its about time i contributed some way
Jun 08 06:47:30 <johnx> sounds good :)
Jun 08 06:49:38 <zakkm> "installing tools environment etch-2008 (takes about 15min )
Jun 08 06:58:23 <Macer> hm. how does osx use nfs ?
Jun 08 06:58:44 <zakkm> in sharing :D
Jun 08 06:58:45 <Macer> never mind :) i'll figure that crap out later... i'm going to sleep
Jun 08 06:58:53 <johnx> 'night Macer
Jun 08 06:58:55 <Macer> well. i guess zfs having different filesystems
Jun 08 06:59:09 <Macer> one mounted within the directory of another
Jun 08 06:59:14 <Macer> doesn't allow for moving files correctly
Jun 08 06:59:19 <Macer> not using smb at least
Jun 08 06:59:30 <Macer> it will move up to 3G then give me some wierd error
Jun 08 06:59:47 <zakkm> night Macer :)
Jun 08 06:59:55 <Macer> good night ;)
Jun 08 07:32:20 <DHR> I want to load Gnumeric on my 770 running OS2006.  It is the first item on this page: http://maemo.org/downloads/OS2006/office-business/  But it doesn't work.
Jun 08 07:32:49 <DHR> I think that this is because http://www.maemo.org.br no longer exists.
Jun 08 07:33:08 <zakkm> DHR: give me a sec
Jun 08 07:33:52 <DHR> I can download gnumeric.install (from something in .it (don't remember)).  It refers to http://www.maemo.org.br as a repo
Jun 08 07:34:36 <zakkm> nobody really uses os2006 anymore
Jun 08 07:34:56 <DHR> well, what can I do with my 770 then?
Jun 08 07:34:58 <RST38h> HELO ALL
Jun 08 07:35:03 <zakkm> scirocco or mistral is it?
Jun 08 07:35:10 <DHR> mistral, I think
Jun 08 07:35:19 <RST38h> you can install 2008HE
Jun 08 07:35:21 <zakkm> DHR: mer runs quite well i believe, which would give you nice new programs and such
Jun 08 07:35:46 <zakkm> or even 2007/2008he
Jun 08 07:35:47 <zakkm> but onesec
Jun 08 07:35:50 <DHR> sorry, I'm a bit ignorant.  mer?
Jun 08 07:36:02 <zakkm> alternate distro.
Jun 08 07:36:34 <DHR> I thought that 64M of RAM was unlikely to be comfortable with the distros aimed at n800 and later.  Am I wrong?
Jun 08 07:37:09 <zakkm> 2007he/2008he might not run as well
Jun 08 07:37:22 <zakkm> but even still, there are enough other boosts
Jun 08 07:37:23 <Stskeeps> 2007he runs better than mer on 770 atm
Jun 08 07:37:23 <Stskeeps> :P
Jun 08 07:37:26 <zakkm> that it would more than balance out
Jun 08 07:37:40 <zakkm> stskeeps: 2006 is mistral right?
Jun 08 07:37:44 <Stskeeps> no clue
Jun 08 07:37:48 <Stskeeps> look it up in /Codenames
Jun 08 07:37:53 <zakkm> trying to find gnumeric in the repository
Jun 08 07:38:15 <zakkm> ohh gregale
Jun 08 07:38:20 <DHR> a lot of the repo lines in the application manager say mistral, so I thing that is it.
Jun 08 07:38:48 <zakkm> its not in gregale extras :(
Jun 08 07:39:00 <zakkm> Stskeeps: think 2007he is better than 2006, on 770?
Jun 08 07:39:04 <Stskeeps> yeah
Jun 08 07:39:18 <zakkm> DHR: would you update? :)
Jun 08 07:39:29 <zakkm> your have to reflash :(
Jun 08 07:39:31 <zakkm> can backup first though
Jun 08 07:39:59 <DHR> hmmm.  I'm thinking about it.  I don't rule it out.  Is 2007he still supported by the community?
Jun 08 07:40:02 <qwerty12> EHLO RST38h
Jun 08 07:40:12 <zakkm> DHR: nope, but its alot better than 2006
Jun 08 07:40:23 <zakkm> i personally love 2007he way more than 2008
Jun 08 07:40:47 <DHR> gnumeric.install contains the line: repo_deb = deb http://www.maemo.org.br/platform/apt/ mistral user
Jun 08 07:40:57 <zakkm> yeah
Jun 08 07:41:06 <zakkm> trying to find you the deb file
Jun 08 07:42:02 <DHR> Hmm. the wayback machine has http://www.maemo.org.br/platform/apt
Jun 08 07:42:22 <zakkm> couldnt download it, it wouldnt save deb files ;p
Jun 08 07:42:38 <zakkm> how you still using 2006 ? :p
Jun 08 07:43:24 <DHR> actually, picked the 770 up off the shelf after a couple of years.  Want to use it for a little database.  Gnumeric seems the best bet.
Jun 08 07:43:50 <RST38h> Gnumeric is no database
Jun 08 07:43:54 <zakkm> you used it years ago?
Jun 08 07:43:56 <DHR> Is binary-arm or binary-armel likely to be the right directory
Jun 08 07:43:57 <zakkm> gnumeric is spreadsheet
Jun 08 07:44:07 <zakkm> armel
Jun 08 07:44:33 <zakkm> would have to be for maemo os2006 tho
Jun 08 07:44:34 <DHR> spreadsheets kind of function like databases (crudely).  Somewhat better than, say, vim
Jun 08 07:44:56 <DHR> what is armel.  ARM, I know.  What does the "el" signify?
Jun 08 07:45:10 <zakkm> not a clue :P
Jun 08 07:45:18 <RST38h> EviL?
Jun 08 07:45:34 <qwerty12> little endian
Jun 08 07:45:45 <rmt> DHR, Yes.
Jun 08 07:46:15 <zakkm> DHR: you have gregale extras devel repo installed right?
Jun 08 07:46:56 <DHR> not that I know of.  What is it?  Another cache of goodies?
Jun 08 07:47:01 <zakkm> yeah
Jun 08 07:47:15 <zakkm> mplayer, mirage, canola, kagu and such
Jun 08 07:47:25 <zakkm> pidgin?
Jun 08 07:48:21 <DHR> all those are listed in maemo's download section (as is the gnumeric).  At the moment, I just want something to deal with a flat database.
Jun 08 07:48:33 <zakkm> im tryign to find you it for os2006
Jun 08 07:49:17 <DHR> I actually have an n800 too, but I don't want to use this application.  (The user will be someone else, so I want them to use my spare 770.)
Jun 08 07:50:49 <DHR> BTW, thanks zakkm, rmt, Stskeeps, for the help!
Jun 08 07:51:19 <zakkm> your better off installing 2007he/ 2008he
Jun 08 07:51:37 <zakkm> if its just for that app, the ram wont go over
Jun 08 07:53:34 <DHR> ahh. armel is a revised ABI that makes floating point faster, and a few other changes.  http://wiki.debian.org/ArmEabiPort
Jun 08 07:55:27 <DHR> one reason to stay with 2006 is that I (long ago) set up all the things that I wanted, like xterm, ssh, etc.  And then forgot what I did.  So I'd have to re-invent that.  Silly, I know.
Jun 08 07:57:04 <DHR> It seems to me that GPE has several database applications, all with fixed schema.  Is there no little tool for creating ad hoc single-table databases?
Jun 08 07:57:50 <RST38h> You really can no longer stay with 2006 if you want the latest apps
Jun 08 07:57:56 <luke-jr> DHR: sqlite!
Jun 08 07:58:17 <zakkm> theres mysql in os2006..
Jun 08 07:58:20 <DHR> I assumed that that was just a library.
Jun 08 07:58:50 <rmt> DHR, sqlite is just a library .. reads/writes a local DB file
Jun 08 07:59:02 <DHR> i.e. I'd have to write some kind of real program (GUI and all) to use it.
Jun 08 07:59:03 <luke-jr> no, sqlite has a CLI app too
Jun 08 07:59:12 <luke-jr> real programs are CLI
Jun 08 07:59:22 <rmt> Sure, a CLI app using the library. ;)
Jun 08 07:59:44 <rmt> DHR, What do you want to do?
Jun 08 08:00:07 <DHR> I'm all for CLI (I've been using UNIX since 1975), but the tablet makes that a touch unnatural/awkward.
Jun 08 08:00:28 <luke-jr> DHR: not at all
Jun 08 08:00:34 <zakkm> 1975?
Jun 08 08:00:36 <luke-jr> I've been CLI-only on my tablet for abotu a month now
Jun 08 08:00:47 <zakkm> unix was around in 1975?
Jun 08 08:00:47 <DHR> The application is cataloguing the outrageous number of books we have.
Jun 08 08:00:53 <zakkm> you had a compute rin 1975!?
Jun 08 08:00:53 <qwerty12> luke-jr: you've got a keyboard ;)
Jun 08 08:01:01 <luke-jr> qwerty12: doesn't everyone? ☺
Jun 08 08:01:35 <DHR> I have a bluetooth keyboard.  A little awkward, but it works.
Jun 08 08:01:37 <qwerty12> luke-jr: if you're on a N800, it's a fun to use cli applications all the time w/out one :)
Jun 08 08:01:49 <luke-jr> DHR: hack it on as a clamshell-style attachment
Jun 08 08:02:18 <luke-jr> seriously, do it XD
Jun 08 08:02:31 <DHR> Unix first got to this country (Canada) in 1974.  But I didn't use it seriously until January 1975.
Jun 08 08:02:38 <ShadowJK> my bluetooth keyboard is somewhat bigger than my N800 :)
Jun 08 08:02:40 <DHR> what's XD?
Jun 08 08:02:48 <luke-jr> DHR: fail
Jun 08 08:03:12 <ShadowJK> DHR, X is what his eyes look like after he snarfed a line of pure caffeine up his nose, D is the grin on his face
Jun 08 08:03:22 <luke-jr> lol
Jun 08 08:03:35 <zakkm> im in canada :)
Jun 08 08:03:37 <qwerty12> ShadowJK: this from experience? :)
Jun 08 08:03:37 <zakkm> (toronto)
Jun 08 08:03:47 * zakkm was born in '91 ! :D
Jun 08 08:03:50 <DHR> Toronto is here too.
Jun 08 08:03:54 <ShadowJK> qwerty12, indeed. On the fifth day I saw flying elephants
Jun 08 08:03:59 <qwerty12> hehe
Jun 08 08:03:59 <zakkm> your in toronto?
Jun 08 08:04:02 <luke-jr> what's with all the kids here anyhow?
Jun 08 08:04:08 <zakkm> lol
Jun 08 08:04:16 <qwerty12> zakkm: '92!
Jun 08 08:04:17 <RST38h> Shadow: Were they wearing gas masks?
Jun 08 08:04:17 <DHR> I'm only 40 years older (hence my lack of memory)
Jun 08 08:04:20 <zakkm> DHR: your in toronto?
Jun 08 08:04:21 <luke-jr> qwerty12: wtf!
Jun 08 08:04:34 <luke-jr> DHR: we have at least one 16yo
Jun 08 08:04:36 <zakkm> qwerty12: lies :P
Jun 08 08:04:38 <luke-jr> b-man IIRC
Jun 08 08:04:42 <zakkm> yeah
Jun 08 08:04:53 <zakkm> have someone younger than that i think
Jun 08 08:04:56 <luke-jr> xnt?
Jun 08 08:05:00 <luke-jr> I forget how old xnt is
Jun 08 08:05:05 <qwerty12> 14
Jun 08 08:05:17 <luke-jr> 14 year olds shouldn't have handhelds -.-
Jun 08 08:05:21 <zakkm> hah
Jun 08 08:05:44 * zakkm wanted a 770 when he was 15, but couldnt afford it :(
Jun 08 08:05:46 <DHR> I started using computers at about 14.  They filled rooms then.
Jun 08 08:06:02 <luke-jr> zakkm: 770 was just too pathetic for me to consider
Jun 08 08:06:15 <luke-jr> but that was before I gave up on my Zaurus
Jun 08 08:06:17 <zakkm> DHR: your in toronto?
Jun 08 08:06:40 <luke-jr> zakkm: you're*
Jun 08 08:06:50 <zakkm> lol
Jun 08 08:06:52 <zakkm> yes that :D
Jun 08 08:06:53 <DHR> zakkm: yes, Toronto.  Former North York.  And your area?
Jun 08 08:07:01 <zakkm> don miles and steeles :P
Jun 08 08:07:24 <DHR> I'm at Yonge and York Mills.
Jun 08 08:07:27 <zakkm> what the, theres a new abiword ?
Jun 08 08:07:41 <luke-jr> there's an old abiword too
Jun 08 08:07:45 <luke-jr> imagine that
Jun 08 08:07:49 <zakkm> 2.7.3 ?
Jun 08 08:08:06 <zakkm> -.- qole repo wont refresh
Jun 08 08:08:14 <luke-jr>      Available versions:  (2)  2.4.6 2.6.4 ~2.6.5 ~2.6.6 ~2.6.8
Jun 08 08:08:22 <zakkm> 2.73 is out
Jun 08 08:08:28 <luke-jr> oh
Jun 08 08:08:36 <luke-jr> I don't even have it installed.
Jun 08 08:08:41 <RST38h> qwerty: http://artishq.wordpress.com/2009/02/ ;)
Jun 08 08:08:50 <DHR> zakkm: do you ever go to, say, TLUG meetings?
Jun 08 08:09:05 <zakkm> not at all, would like to start though
Jun 08 08:09:16 <zakkm> would you be able to help?
Jun 08 08:09:26 <qwerty12> RST38h: Hmm? Mikkov has already ported Fish Fillets
Jun 08 08:09:35 <zakkm> i was told to checkout the linux cafe downtown-ish but never did :P
Jun 08 08:09:46 <DHR> you just go.  Next one is tomorrow (Tuesday), I think.
Jun 08 08:09:53 <zakkm> dang really?
Jun 08 08:09:57 <zakkm> where? are you attending?
Jun 08 08:10:02 <zakkm> ill show you gnumeric for real :P
Jun 08 08:10:02 <zakkm> hah
Jun 08 08:10:22 <DHR> http://tlug.ss.org/wiki/Meetings:2009-06
Jun 08 08:10:38 <zakkm> are you attending?
Jun 08 08:10:45 <zakkm> st george is far?
Jun 08 08:10:53 <DHR> I usually go.  Including the dinner ahead of time.  But I can't tell for sure.
Jun 08 08:11:04 <zakkm> Beginning GIMP <-- does that mean they teach you?
Jun 08 08:11:07 <zakkm> like how to use it?
Jun 08 08:11:27 <DHR> That's the idea.  Whether it works out depends on the speaker and the audience.
Jun 08 08:11:36 <zakkm> that'd be sick :P
Jun 08 08:11:39 <zakkm> can just go?
Jun 08 08:11:56 <zakkm> 7;30 is late to be down there
Jun 08 08:11:57 <DHR> certainly.  I've been just going for perhaps 15 years.
Jun 08 08:12:05 <zakkm> would you go, if i were to go?
Jun 08 08:12:22 <luke-jr> I wouldn't.
Jun 08 08:12:29 <luke-jr> don't want to breathe the same air as zakkm!
Jun 08 08:12:33 <DHR> I can't tell: I've got to negotiate with my family.
Jun 08 08:12:34 <zakkm> gosh man! :P
Jun 08 08:12:41 <zakkm> so cruel luke-jr
Jun 08 08:12:46 <luke-jr> zakkm: sarcasm :þ
Jun 08 08:12:57 <DHR> zakkm is unlikely to be more than a standard deviation odder than the other TLUG memebers :-)
Jun 08 08:12:58 <zakkm> nah i hate going to random like computer stuff places/events and not know anybody at all
Jun 08 08:13:04 <zakkm> yeah sure we just met but yeah
Jun 08 08:13:23 <luke-jr> zakkm: come to the next OLUG meeting!
Jun 08 08:13:23 <DHR> TLUG alway welcomes new folks.
Jun 08 08:13:28 <zakkm> OLUG?
Jun 08 08:13:33 <luke-jr> OLUG > TLUG
Jun 08 08:13:36 <zakkm> wheres that
Jun 08 08:13:36 <luke-jr> Omaha LUG
Jun 08 08:13:38 <luke-jr> :D
Jun 08 08:13:39 <luke-jr> Omaha, NE
Jun 08 08:13:44 <zakkm> omg
Jun 08 08:13:53 <luke-jr> we're in the middle of finding a building for our new datacenter
Jun 08 08:13:57 <zakkm> :)
Jun 08 08:14:13 <luke-jr> cmon, how many LUGs operate a datacenter? ;)
Jun 08 08:14:14 <zakkm> DHR: what ttc station is that?
Jun 08 08:14:18 <DHR> zakkm: what's wrong with 19:30 on U of T campus?
Jun 08 08:14:26 <zakkm> st .george station?
Jun 08 08:14:42 <zakkm> DHR: for one my age, two.. the area
Jun 08 08:14:59 <zakkm> wait there is no st.george station.. thats st.andrews
Jun 08 08:15:06 <zakkm> DHR: what subway station is it
Jun 08 08:15:15 <zakkm> ohh theres st george
Jun 08 08:15:19 <DHR> There is a St. George station, but Queen's Park is closer
Jun 08 08:15:25 <zakkm> really
Jun 08 08:15:26 <zakkm> kk
Jun 08 08:15:30 <zakkm> that will take me like 45min-ish
Jun 08 08:15:45 <luke-jr> x.x
Jun 08 08:15:54 <zakkm> well bus + subway ;p
Jun 08 08:16:06 <zakkm> DHR: you think they would let me sit and watch? :D
Jun 08 08:16:24 <DHR> Toronto isn't really dangerous (in my opinion).  Certainly not the U of T campus.
Jun 08 08:16:40 <zakkm> yeah but coming home at night, ahh itd be okay i think i hope lol
Jun 08 08:16:43 <Macer> in memory of david... i am watching kung fu the legend continues
Jun 08 08:16:45 <DHR> everyone is welcome at TLUG meetings.
Jun 08 08:16:47 <zakkm> that does sound good
Jun 08 08:16:49 <Macer> lol
Jun 08 08:16:52 <zakkm> i been meaning to join some linux group
Jun 08 08:17:03 <Macer> zakkm: don't do it!
Jun 08 08:17:08 <zakkm> lol why
Jun 08 08:17:17 <zakkm> i want to learn gimp :(
Jun 08 08:17:19 <Macer> it will be the end of you
Jun 08 08:17:21 <Macer> heh
Jun 08 08:17:23 <zakkm> We'll cover basic photo editing, including opening, cropping, resizing, and colour and contrast corrections. If there's time and interest we can take a short look at creating original images.
Jun 08 08:17:33 <zakkm> i want to learn :( i suck at gimp
Jun 08 08:17:36 <zakkm> and photoshop
Jun 08 08:17:43 <zakkm> i can do blender quite well oddly -.-
Jun 08 08:18:26 <zakkm> DHR: that sounds fun :D
Jun 08 08:18:28 <DHR> It is possible to join TLUG (actually called GTALUG), but I never have.  And I've been going for a long time.
Jun 08 08:18:41 <zakkm> what happens if you join
Jun 08 08:18:56 <zakkm> ive never been to anything really tech related.. even school ive avoided computer clubs
Jun 08 08:19:07 <qwerty12> They take your organs and donate them to Linux kernel devs so that they can sell them for $.
Jun 08 08:19:10 <zakkm> i gone to one microsoft technet event
Jun 08 08:19:12 <zakkm> but thats all
Jun 08 08:19:12 <DHR> Dinner ahead is fun too.  Cost is about $10 including tip.  Pho is inexpensive.
Jun 08 08:19:14 <zakkm> :(
Jun 08 08:19:19 <zakkm> really?
Jun 08 08:19:22 <zakkm> id pay $10 :D
Jun 08 08:19:34 <zakkm> is it like pre paid ?
Jun 08 08:19:35 <DHR> If you join, you get to vote for the executive.
Jun 08 08:19:36 * thux irritated cause symbian named pictures had to be renamed by maemo
Jun 08 08:19:47 <lbt> yell if you need Gimp help... I use it a lot :)
Jun 08 08:19:49 <Macer> you mean you go to like... meetings?
Jun 08 08:19:50 <zakkm> that would be weird though cause i wouldnt know them at all, i think first time meeting / presentation would be best
Jun 08 08:20:01 <zakkm> lbt: yeahh but this is like in person / presentation :P
Jun 08 08:20:08 <DHR> everyone at the restaurant pays for what they eat, but the bills are per table, so arithmetic ensues.
Jun 08 08:20:27 <lbt> sure... just FYI :)
Jun 08 08:20:35 <zakkm> DHR: yaeh but it would be weird for me to sit with ppl i dont know :(
Jun 08 08:20:43 <zakkm> it would be nice to hear the chatting though i think
Jun 08 08:21:01 <zakkm> but it would be weird, cause i wouldnt know anyone at all at first, just be like hi :) im zak saw it online lol
Jun 08 08:21:09 <Stskeeps> zakkm: meh, thats why booze was invented
Jun 08 08:21:22 <zakkm> Stskeeps: im underage by about 9months?
Jun 08 08:21:25 <zakkm> the legal age is 19 here
Jun 08 08:21:26 <DHR> I do it all the time.  Like when I go to conferences.  Usually, it's fine.
Jun 08 08:21:26 <Stskeeps> and casual smoking
Jun 08 08:21:41 <zakkm> DHR: i think it would be fine for meeting/presentation.. not so much a dinner
Jun 08 08:21:45 <Stskeeps> and its easier to get along with similar peers
Jun 08 08:22:05 <DHR> The bar after the meeting is out for you then.  After the meeting, most go the the Grad Student's bar.
Jun 08 08:22:10 <zakkm> complete strangers though? that are considerably older than me
Jun 08 08:22:11 <Macer> Stskeeps: there's always heroin
Jun 08 08:22:17 <zakkm> yeah ive read that
Jun 08 08:22:36 <zakkm> could get drunk then go.. but that wont make a good first impression
Jun 08 08:22:38 <Macer> zakkm: sounds like nambla
Jun 08 08:22:49 <zakkm> Stskeeps: i could promote mer there tomorrow eh? :D
Jun 08 08:22:51 <DHR> If you listen and laugh at peoples jokes, they'll love you.
Jun 08 08:23:17 <zakkm> DHR: shy 18 year old
Jun 08 08:23:43 <Macer> fear is the mind killer.. ok. back to kung fu
Jun 08 08:24:05 <zakkm> DHR: you own a n810?
Jun 08 08:24:07 <DHR> There's no test to be there.  No qualifications.  No fees.
Jun 08 08:24:22 <zakkm> gosh i want to use a n810, ive never seen one in person
Jun 08 08:24:24 <DHR> zakkm: no, n800.
Jun 08 08:24:43 <DHR> zakkm: what do you have?
Jun 08 08:24:43 * RST38h does not quite understand what problem zakkm is having with strangers
Jun 08 08:24:43 <zakkm> DHR: if you go, ill show you mer and nice n800 "cracking" ? :D
Jun 08 08:24:58 <zakkm> RST38h: its not strangers, im just generally shy
Jun 08 08:25:01 <zakkm> even around friends/ppl i know
Jun 08 08:25:24 <Stskeeps> zakkm: so was i once
Jun 08 08:25:31 <zakkm> thanks for the encouragement :)
Jun 08 08:25:32 <RST38h> zakkm: they ain't gonna eat you, so just go and observe
Jun 08 08:25:38 <zakkm> i am i am :p
Jun 08 08:25:42 <DHR> well, it's up to you.  I'm just saying that you'd be welcom.
Jun 08 08:25:44 <zakkm> but i think the dinner part at start would be weird
Jun 08 08:25:49 <Stskeeps> unless you go to cannibal lug
Jun 08 08:25:50 <zakkm> though for $10.. i would eat dinner lol
Jun 08 08:26:09 <RST38h> you suspect them to serve penguin meat? =)
Jun 08 08:26:14 <zakkm> DHR: you should go that way i could find you and you could help hah :)
Jun 08 08:26:43 <zakkm> noo it would just be weird, like everyone eating and knowing eachother and stuff and me just going and sitting down hi im zakk :P
Jun 08 08:27:07 <DHR> http://www.toronto.com/restaurants/listing/213097 is a brief description of the restaurant (there may well be better ones -- this is the first google found)
Jun 08 08:27:15 <Macer> the show the universe seems always bent on showing moments where whatever they are talking about will end the earth
Jun 08 08:27:17 <zakkm> ahh i love toronto.com
Jun 08 08:27:29 <zakkm> Dinner Price Range: $50 - $75 ???
Jun 08 08:27:39 <DHR> that's just stupid.
Jun 08 08:27:41 <zakkm> Best deals: beef noodle soups ($4.25-$5), or vermicelli dishes with grilled meat and spring rolls ($5). For a special treat, sample the filtered coffee with condensed milk on ice ($2.50)
Jun 08 08:27:44 <zakkm> :O
Jun 08 08:28:07 <zakkm> ah maybe i should go
Jun 08 08:28:15 <DHR> I eat pho with rare beef and it is perhaps $7, plus tax and tip, so under $10.
Jun 08 08:28:21 <zakkm> DHR: do they have like a table or something there, like they reserve a huge table?
Jun 08 08:28:31 <RST38h> Macer: just read scp, faster, no ads, less banality =)
Jun 08 08:29:40 <zakkm> anyone know why qole repo wont refresh?
Jun 08 08:29:58 <zakkm> insanity
Jun 08 08:29:59 <DHR> well, there's the slightly tricky part.  The people just meet up and fill tables that get jammed together.  Normally in the south west corner.  So you look for a largish group and ask if they are TLUGgers.  I've never noticed other large groups.
Jun 08 08:30:25 <zakkm> hah awesome
Jun 08 08:30:49 <zakkm> think i should go for that then?
Jun 08 08:31:14 <zakkm> not exactly rich but for $10+$3 (bus fair there and back ) its worth going i think
Jun 08 08:31:38 <DHR> http://www.restaurantica.com/on/toronto/pho-hung-restaurant-bloor/23018675/
Jun 08 08:31:41 <zakkm> ohh qole changed his repository
Jun 08 08:32:06 <zakkm> i meant socially/ meeting them
Jun 08 08:32:13 <zakkm> wait would i be the youngest?
Jun 08 08:32:20 <DHR> zakkm: if you aren't willing to eat Vietnamese food, that would be a problem.  Do you know Vietnamese food?
Jun 08 08:32:23 <zakkm> how many people is there
Jun 08 08:32:32 <zakkm> not at all, worth trying though ;p i do like strange food
Jun 08 08:32:35 <zakkm> i lovee asian food :P
Jun 08 08:32:38 <zakkm> and it seems very close ;p
Jun 08 08:32:54 <zakkm> wooh time to update Tearrr :)
Jun 08 08:33:01 <zakkm> and libwebkit
Jun 08 08:33:06 <DHR> The youngest is usually a high school student in about grade 12.  But most are older.
Jun 08 08:33:20 <zakkm> im in grade 12 :P
Jun 08 08:33:26 <zakkm> 18  / gr12
Jun 08 08:33:31 <zakkm> well for another 3 weeks - ish ;p
Jun 08 08:33:37 <RST38h> heh
Jun 08 08:33:46 <zakkm> school is ending ;p
Jun 08 08:34:06 <zakkm> awesome :D
Jun 08 08:34:17 <aquatix> zakkm: there's a Tear update?
Jun 08 08:34:23 <zakkm> yeahh cookie fix and all
Jun 08 08:34:27 <zakkm> apparently huge ass speed boost
Jun 08 08:34:27 <aquatix> cool
Jun 08 08:34:30 <zakkm> im late getting it mind you
Jun 08 08:34:35 <aquatix> oh
Jun 08 08:34:42 <zakkm> johnx said its really big performance boost
Jun 08 08:35:03 <zakkm> maybe a week or two old?
Jun 08 08:35:07 <zakkm> 0.3.1-2 ?
Jun 08 08:35:07 <aquatix> 0.3.1?
Jun 08 08:35:13 <aquatix> yeah
Jun 08 08:35:18 <aquatix> have had it for a while :)
Jun 08 08:35:20 <zakkm> -2 though ;p
Jun 08 08:35:21 <aquatix> it's damn nice
Jun 08 08:35:27 <zakkm> not just 0.3.1
Jun 08 08:35:33 <aquatix> hm, dpkg -l says just 0.3.1 :/
Jun 08 08:36:04 <zakkm> whats webkit version?
Jun 08 08:36:45 <aquatix> that's from qole.org/repository right?
Jun 08 08:36:51 <zakkm> yeah
Jun 08 08:36:56 <zakkm> yeah okay im behind
Jun 08 08:36:57 <RST38h> shit, left tablet at home
Jun 08 08:37:04 <zakkm> i didnt realized he changed from qole.maemobox.org to qole.org
Jun 08 08:37:12 <aquatix> libwebkit-1.0-1 1.0-svn41137-9
Jun 08 08:37:15 <zakkm> so it never refreshed, of course.. so i didnt get it
Jun 08 08:37:19 <aquatix> heh, yeah
Jun 08 08:37:22 <DHR> Another interesting Toronto thing, today: http://utoronto.list-manage.com/track/click?u=84ca0530f83039c4e0176d6a0&id=c7a136cb91&e=a0a996895b  but that is in a bar.
Jun 08 08:37:23 <RST38h> So, IS there new Tear update or ISN'T?
Jun 08 08:37:25 <zakkm> just installed ;p
Jun 08 08:37:27 <aquatix> zakkm: took me a week too
Jun 08 08:37:35 <aquatix> RST38h: not really
Jun 08 08:37:39 <RST38h> ih ok
Jun 08 08:37:52 <zakkm> DHR: that costs money..
Jun 08 08:38:01 <aquatix> it was basically the same as on qole.maemobox.org i think, maybe a rebuild
Jun 08 08:38:05 <zakkm> i dont have money :D
Jun 08 08:38:15 <zakkm> he just changed hosts i think
Jun 08 08:38:22 <aquatix> zakkm: you linux hippie! oh wait
Jun 08 08:38:26 <zakkm> maemobox shut down
Jun 08 08:38:30 <zakkm> so i guess he moved it to his domain
Jun 08 08:38:34 <aquatix> yep
Jun 08 08:38:35 <zakkm> hippie, im the youngest here
Jun 08 08:38:37 <zakkm> :D
Jun 08 08:38:39 <aquatix> ghehe
Jun 08 08:38:41 <aquatix> so? ;)
Jun 08 08:39:11 <zakkm> i lack linux skills out of all of everyone here
Jun 08 08:39:12 <DHR> I hadn't seen that it cost money.  Darn.
Jun 08 08:39:21 <zakkm> heh
Jun 08 08:39:40 <zakkm> okay so im taking my n800 :) of course
Jun 08 08:39:45 <RST38h> I think there has been someone younger than 18 here
Jun 08 08:39:46 <DHR> but they are streaming it.
Jun 08 08:39:47 <zakkm> cant read with liqbase
Jun 08 08:39:49 <zakkm> damn OCD :P
Jun 08 08:39:55 <zakkm> RST38h: not currently?
Jun 08 08:40:03 <zakkm> streaming it?
Jun 08 08:40:09 <RST38h> well not at this precise moment maybe, but in general
Jun 08 08:40:21 <zakkm> oh yeah of course
Jun 08 08:40:38 <DHR> "available through live video streaming to a national audience on: theREALnews.com, rabble.ca, TheTyee, Beyond Robson, p2pnet, StraightGoods, Michael Geist, SaveOurNet.ca"
Jun 08 08:40:41 <zakkm> wow tear seems faster
Jun 08 08:41:01 <aquatix> zakkm: what version did you have before? also 0.3.1?
Jun 08 08:41:16 <zakkm> yeah just the non cookie fix one
Jun 08 08:41:25 <zakkm> and older webkit
Jun 08 08:41:41 <zakkm> though i use webkit nightly on my mac+ safari 4.. and i dont see it getting any faster? ;p
Jun 08 08:41:48 <DHR> zakkm: copyright (and other "intellectual property" law) is a battleground in Canada.  We're likely going to get a version of the DMCA this year.  Yuck.
Jun 08 08:41:58 <zakkm> DMCA?
Jun 08 08:42:20 <DHR> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DMCA
Jun 08 08:42:39 <zakkm> ahhh
Jun 08 08:42:48 <aquatix> zakkm: maybe improvements are too gradual to notice when using nightlies
Jun 08 08:43:14 * RST38h tried the latest MediaBox BTW. Even more confusing than before =(
Jun 08 08:43:22 * DHR goes to be
Jun 08 08:43:26 * DHR goes to bed
Jun 08 08:43:30 <zakkm> RST38h: they did the update weird
Jun 08 08:43:36 <zakkm> i had to uninstall then install, it wouldnt update
Jun 08 08:43:57 <RST38h> Well it updated for me (probably fixed that deb) but the UI is both confusing and buggy
Jun 08 08:44:03 <DHR> thanks for help, folks
Jun 08 08:44:16 <aquatix> DHR: nn
Jun 08 08:44:16 <zakkm> DHR: ill help you tomorrow if your going :D
Jun 08 08:44:21 <zakkm> hah
Jun 08 08:44:27 <RST38h> My guess is that pycage no longer understands his own UI, from the feel of it =)
Jun 08 08:44:33 <zakkm> iill show you mer too
Jun 08 08:44:42 <zakkm> mediabox is a strange ui
Jun 08 08:45:04 * aquatix likes the default mediaplayer and canola2 best
Jun 08 08:45:38 * zakkm uses mplayer + gpe audio player
Jun 08 08:46:48 <zakkm> sweet TLUG or something
Jun 08 08:46:51 <aquatix> yeah, mplayer for video here too
Jun 08 08:47:38 <zakkm> aquatix: gmplayer or canola + mplayer ?
Jun 08 08:47:46 <zakkm> ahh gmlauncher
Jun 08 08:48:06 <aquatix> zakkm: just mplayer :)
Jun 08 08:48:44 <aquatix> it shows a list of movies and plays the one i start
Jun 08 08:48:50 <aquatix> that's all i need
Jun 08 08:48:59 <aquatix> ah yes, gmlauncher
Jun 08 08:49:08 <aquatix> gmplauncher even
Jun 08 08:49:27 <zakkm> yeah theres so many names :(
Jun 08 08:49:38 * RST38h only uses mplayer for video now, the other players lag
Jun 08 08:49:39 <aquatix> :)
Jun 08 08:49:42 <zakkm> :D
Jun 08 08:49:45 <aquatix> RST38h: yeah, same here
Jun 08 08:50:00 * zakkm has all Jake and Amir + CH original eps on his nokia
Jun 08 08:50:08 <RST38h> If only mplayer guys made some marginally better UI...
Jun 08 08:50:17 <zakkm> you press menu key :D
Jun 08 08:50:22 <zakkm> while vid is playing
Jun 08 08:50:42 <zakkm> mplayer is for a backend :P its not vlc :P
Jun 08 08:50:49 <zakkm> gnome-mplayer is real nice :D
Jun 08 08:51:03 <aquatix> yeah, i use gmplayer on my pc's quite a bit
Jun 08 08:51:14 <aquatix> ah no, that's not gnome-mplayer
Jun 08 08:51:25 <zakkm> gmplyaer = mplayer official
Jun 08 08:51:27 <aquatix> i like gmplayer better
Jun 08 08:51:28 <aquatix> yeah
Jun 08 08:51:29 <zakkm> gnome-mplayer is something else
Jun 08 08:51:29 <lcuk> zakkm, what cant u read with lb
Jun 08 08:51:46 <zakkm> http://linux.wellassa.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/gnome-mplayer.jpg
Jun 08 08:51:57 <zakkm> very simple, like dragon player
Jun 08 08:52:13 <zakkm> lcuk: i meant, i cant read anything without reading it in liqbase..
Jun 08 08:52:26 <zakkm> lcuk: i cant read textbooks anymore/novels... it doesnt comapre to liqbase reading
Jun 08 08:52:29 <lcuk> heh ahh
Jun 08 08:52:43 <zakkm> i have 7 textbooks out fro mthe public library, and i havent really opened it
Jun 08 08:52:47 <aquatix> zakkm: hm, that kid looks kinda creepy
Jun 08 08:52:52 <zakkm> been trying to find pdf versions so i can convert to txt
Jun 08 08:53:00 <lcuk> well the book reader will be getting special consideration :)
Jun 08 08:53:07 <zakkm> aquatix: its probably a horror movie..
Jun 08 08:53:10 <aquatix> yep
Jun 08 08:53:20 <zakkm> lcuk: did you read above?
Jun 08 08:53:29 <zakkm> ill show out liqbase at the TLUG or w.e tomorrow :)
Jun 08 08:53:34 <zakkm> to some ppl
Jun 08 08:55:35 <zakkm> gosh the conversation died
Jun 08 08:56:05 <aquatix> zakkm: hm, looks like the Golden Compass btw (that screenshot)
Jun 08 08:56:19 <zakkm> oh it iss :P
Jun 08 08:56:21 <zakkm> the subtitles
Jun 08 08:56:28 <aquatix> yeah
Jun 08 08:56:35 <zakkm> thats awesome
Jun 08 08:56:57 <zakkm> ah i should think about sleep soon
Jun 08 08:57:01 <zakkm> its 5 min to 5am :P
Jun 08 08:58:07 <lcuk> oooh zakkm, no i didnt read, i had just slid past and noticed i was flashing
Jun 08 08:58:13 <zakkm> hah
Jun 08 08:58:33 <zakkm> lcuk: this guy, DHR, turns out he lives about 10-15min-ish from me, and he belongs to the toronto linux group
Jun 08 08:58:43 <lcuk> well if you look carefully enough around the autobuilders (fremantle for now) you might find the 2 packages for liqbase ;)
Jun 08 08:58:44 <zakkm> and told me the next meeting is tomorrow, so im going to go tomorrow :D
Jun 08 08:59:05 <lcuk> they need compilingfrom source for diablo but i believe everything should work
Jun 08 08:59:08 <zakkm> gimp presentation +food at resturant beeforehand
Jun 08 08:59:12 <lcuk> tho i havent checked yet ..
Jun 08 08:59:18 <aquatix> zakkm: interesting, gmplayer is faster than gnome-mplayer
Jun 08 08:59:34 <zakkm> aquatix: gmplayer isnt even gtk is it?
Jun 08 08:59:36 <aquatix> gnome-mplayer lags on this older laptop
Jun 08 08:59:39 <aquatix> zakkm: half
Jun 08 08:59:39 <lcuk> you arent the youngest - qwerty and bman and a few others
Jun 08 08:59:40 <zakkm> its qt i thought
Jun 08 08:59:45 <aquatix> zakkm: it has gtk menus
Jun 08 08:59:47 <lcuk> bbl
Jun 08 09:00:00 <aquatix> zakkm: could be
Jun 08 09:00:20 <zakkm> aquatix: anyways, for tablet it would matter, i use hot spot desktops hah overclock too
Jun 08 09:00:32 <zakkm> care more about UI/look than speed
Jun 08 09:01:00 <aquatix> yeah, same here
Jun 08 09:01:06 <aquatix> but in this case it matters :)
Jun 08 09:01:17 <zakkm> yeah yeah
Jun 08 09:01:22 <aquatix> as gmplayer plays this 720p movie fine on this machine, while gnome-mplayer stutters
Jun 08 09:01:22 <zakkm> well gmplauncher for tablet is best
Jun 08 09:01:32 <zakkm> you can do menu and mess with stuff there
Jun 08 09:01:36 <zakkm> on tablet
Jun 08 09:01:44 <zakkm> ahh
Jun 08 09:01:53 <zakkm> well even better, mplayer doesnt require X
Jun 08 09:01:58 <zakkm> so kill X.. and run mplayer :D
Jun 08 09:02:03 <aquatix> :)
Jun 08 09:02:20 <zakkm> i dunno how it works without X, but apparently it does
Jun 08 09:02:25 <zakkm> and that would make it even smoother
Jun 08 09:07:08 <aquatix> zakkm: framebuffer stuff
Jun 08 09:08:01 <zakkm> ahh
Jun 08 09:08:46 <zakkm> sounds awesome
Jun 08 09:08:57 <zakkm> i really should get sleep if im going to attend TLUG :P
Jun 08 09:09:33 <aquatix> zakkm: nn :)
Jun 08 09:10:36 <zakkm> going to email the guy first
Jun 08 09:12:20 <zakkm> awesome :)
Jun 08 09:12:32 <zakkm> never been to a linux thingy before
Jun 08 09:12:47 <zakkm> probably get myself in fights
Jun 08 09:12:55 <aquatix> well, i have to admit i've never been to a LUG myself
Jun 08 09:13:07 <aquatix> i *have* been to several UUG's
Jun 08 09:13:10 <zakkm> KDE IS BETTER... NO RATPOISON IS.... :D
Jun 08 09:13:13 <aquatix> haha
Jun 08 09:13:22 <zakkm> kde is bloated... SOOO :p
Jun 08 09:13:27 <aquatix> `whatever works for you dude. here, have a soda'
Jun 08 09:13:30 <zakkm> whats a uug?
Jun 08 09:13:35 <aquatix> unix user group :)
Jun 08 09:13:40 <zakkm> oh
Jun 08 09:13:45 <zakkm> whats the difference?
Jun 08 09:13:53 <aquatix> unix != linux :)
Jun 08 09:13:57 <zakkm> i mean unix and linux sort of are, but the groups themselves?
Jun 08 09:14:07 <zakkm> its still tech ppl doing stuff.. coders and all
Jun 08 09:14:13 <aquatix> well, this group is older than linux
Jun 08 09:14:16 <zakkm> just talking about different stuff a bit
Jun 08 09:14:18 <aquatix> it's more broad
Jun 08 09:14:20 <zakkm> yeah that too
Jun 08 09:14:26 <zakkm> it cant differ that much
Jun 08 09:14:36 <aquatix> it includes all things unix, like solaris, linux, *bsd and such
Jun 08 09:14:51 <aquatix> or just the infrastructure, like C, tcp/ip stacks
Jun 08 09:14:56 <zakkm> yeah but its still a group of ppl that meet every so often, maybe a presentation here and there
Jun 08 09:14:59 <aquatix> yep
Jun 08 09:15:08 <aquatix> just a slightly different point of view
Jun 08 09:15:14 <aquatix> not that it matters much
Jun 08 09:15:53 <zakkm> going to be nice i think.. gimp learning :D
Jun 08 09:15:58 <aquatix> :)
Jun 08 09:16:05 <zakkm> want to go for the food though too
Jun 08 09:16:12 * aquatix has been thinking about setting up a LUG himself a while ago
Jun 08 09:16:20 <zakkm> i dont get this :P
Jun 08 09:16:25 <zakkm> We'll cover basic photo editing, including opening
Jun 08 09:16:30 <X-Fade> Heh, so GeneralAntilles did some debunking at Engadged ;)
Jun 08 09:16:30 <zakkm> opening... file - open?
Jun 08 09:16:36 <aquatix> haha
Jun 08 09:16:44 <aquatix> X-Fade: ah?
Jun 08 09:16:47 <zakkm> the rest makes sense.. cropping, resizsing and all
Jun 08 09:16:52 <zakkm> but including opening..
Jun 08 09:16:56 <aquatix> zakkm: i hope it's more advanced than that ;)
Jun 08 09:17:09 <zakkm> its cool though cause when i wake up, the wwdc news will be on the net :p
Jun 08 09:17:24 <zakkm> it si, its just the start of the sentence
Jun 08 09:17:28 <zakkm> just reading it i find it funny
Jun 08 09:18:01 <zakkm> ah it starts in like 13 hours
Jun 08 09:18:21 <zakkm> and i want to show mer to some people :) and DHR if hes going
Jun 08 09:18:26 <zakkm> OS2006 -.-
Jun 08 09:18:33 <zakkm> thats so bad
Jun 08 09:19:42 <aquatix> what's with OS2006?
Jun 08 09:19:57 <zakkm> its old and ugly :)
Jun 08 09:20:03 <zakkm> os2007 is awesome thoguh
Jun 08 09:20:08 <zakkm> better than diablo
Jun 08 09:20:20 <aquatix> hm, i like os2008/diablo better
Jun 08 09:20:23 <aquatix> except for microb
Jun 08 09:20:29 <aquatix> but i have tear now anyway
Jun 08 09:20:33 <zakkm> :D
Jun 08 09:20:36 <zakkm> tear is awesome
Jun 08 09:20:45 <aquatix> and have been using claws-mail for ages
Jun 08 09:20:51 <zakkm> is that good
Jun 08 09:20:55 <zakkm> i use the builtin one
Jun 08 09:21:04 <aquatix> modest chokes on my imap account :)
Jun 08 09:21:14 <aquatix> takes almost a minute to load
Jun 08 09:21:32 <zakkm> heh
Jun 08 09:21:32 <aquatix> and i have issues with it not always marking mail as read on the server
Jun 08 09:21:47 <aquatix> it seems to cache those writes till the session ends
Jun 08 09:21:48 <zakkm> ahh i should get apple mail to do that
Jun 08 09:21:58 <aquatix> but that's mostly when i disconnect wifi, and then it's too late
Jun 08 09:22:10 <zakkm> hehh
Jun 08 09:22:26 <aquatix> so now i have claws-mail on workstation, laptops and tablet
Jun 08 09:22:34 <aquatix> suits me fine :)
Jun 08 09:22:57 <zakkm> faster than modest?
Jun 08 09:23:04 <aquatix> it is for me
Jun 08 09:23:17 <aquatix> modest is slightly more finger friendly though
Jun 08 09:23:18 <zakkm> heh maybe i should try it out then
Jun 08 09:23:26 <aquatix> yeah, trying out is the best way
Jun 08 09:23:26 <zakkm> dont email that much mind you
Jun 08 09:23:37 * aquatix lives on email, basically
Jun 08 09:23:48 <zakkm> well i mean i do, but not from tablet ;p
Jun 08 09:23:49 <aquatix> not that i send much from my tablet
Jun 08 09:23:52 <zakkm> like it can wiat till i get on pc
Jun 08 09:24:02 <aquatix> i like reading mailing lists on it
Jun 08 09:24:04 <zakkm> i use my cellphone for txt msging alot too
Jun 08 09:24:12 <zakkm> i got unlimited worldwide messaging
Jun 08 09:24:21 <aquatix> myeah, i send like 12 sms message a year
Jun 08 09:24:34 <zakkm> yeah but i got it UNLIMITED and worldwide :D
Jun 08 09:24:36 <zakkm> and im a teen :D
Jun 08 09:24:41 <aquatix> heheh, yeah :)
Jun 08 09:24:51 <zakkm> in highschool, text msging is important
Jun 08 09:24:53 <aquatix> but even as a teenager i didn't text that often
Jun 08 09:24:55 <zakkm> i send like 500-ish a month
Jun 08 09:24:58 <aquatix> but that's been a while ;)
Jun 08 09:25:08 <zakkm> also i text my online buddies sometimes
Jun 08 09:25:34 <zakkm> wow
Jun 08 09:25:39 <aquatix> i generally text when it's important and i'm on the road or something, or that person is on the road
Jun 08 09:25:39 <zakkm> how old are you?
Jun 08 09:25:44 <aquatix> that's rude ;)
Jun 08 09:25:45 <aquatix> nah
Jun 08 09:25:48 * aquatix is 27
Jun 08 09:25:52 <lcuk> txting your mate next to you asking if you can borrow a pen is a really wise use of your texting allowance :p
Jun 08 09:25:54 <zakkm> thats rude? you gotta be old then :P
Jun 08 09:25:56 <lcuk> kids today ;)
Jun 08 09:26:02 <aquatix> zakkm: :P
Jun 08 09:26:09 <aquatix> lcuk: ghehehe
Jun 08 09:26:13 <zakkm> lcuk: hah one time when i first got it, my friend and i were sitting side by side outside his house at night
Jun 08 09:26:19 <zakkm> and we were txting back and forth
Jun 08 09:26:24 <zakkm> he had iphone though :(
Jun 08 09:26:28 <zakkm> so he could do it quicker
Jun 08 09:26:31 <lcuk> poor him
Jun 08 09:26:32 <aquatix> lcuk: otoh, i've IM'ed my girlfriend on the other couch in the living room to ask her something
Jun 08 09:26:34 <zakkm> got a crappy old phone
Jun 08 09:26:41 <lcuk> you younguns always finish early
Jun 08 09:26:51 <zakkm> ?
Jun 08 09:26:52 <aquatix> i have a physical qwerty kb on my phone
Jun 08 09:26:54 <zakkm> finish what early?
Jun 08 09:27:07 <lcuk> everything its rush rush rush
Jun 08 09:27:12 <zakkm> lol
Jun 08 09:27:18 <zakkm> its 5;27am and i havent gone to bed yet
Jun 08 09:27:18 <lcuk> aquatix i used to sit with gf in same room
Jun 08 09:27:23 <aquatix> lcuk: rush rush, than relax doing fun stuff ;)
Jun 08 09:27:28 <lcuk> lol
Jun 08 09:27:32 * lcuk goes again
Jun 08 09:27:35 <aquatix> lcuk: ciao :)
Jun 08 09:27:37 <zakkm> lcuk: :(
Jun 08 09:28:05 <zakkm> aquatix: is it just me or do you not chat here often? i hardly see you
Jun 08 09:28:14 * aquatix idly wonders why opera 10 beta doesn't want to use proper hinting (it's compiled with qt3)
Jun 08 09:28:20 <aquatix> zakkm: depends
Jun 08 09:28:25 <aquatix> i'm quite busy
Jun 08 09:28:26 <zakkm> eww theres a qt4 port isnt there?
Jun 08 09:28:31 <zakkm> not port, like official
Jun 08 09:28:35 <aquatix> well, not atm
Jun 08 09:28:43 <aquatix> the beta only comes in qt3
Jun 08 09:29:02 <aquatix> not that qt4 helps that much, i'm using a gtk based DE
Jun 08 09:29:04 <zakkm> yeah theres qt4 opera :P
Jun 08 09:29:21 <aquatix> well, i've researched yesterday, and the last qt4 opera was the alpha from december
Jun 08 09:29:23 <zakkm> http://rpm.pbone.net/index.php3/stat/4/idpl/11187098/com/opera-qt4-10.00-6.1.i586.rpm.html
Jun 08 09:29:28 <zakkm> oh
Jun 08 09:29:37 <zakkm> i use safari 4 :D
Jun 08 09:29:56 <aquatix> generally i use midori or firefox 3.x
Jun 08 09:29:57 <zakkm> wow
Jun 08 09:30:02 <zakkm> opera beta 10 looks amazing
Jun 08 09:30:15 <aquatix> yeah, that link of yours is the alpha from december
Jun 08 09:30:17 * zakkm cant stand linux except on tablet
Jun 08 09:30:23 <aquatix> yep, the new skin is awesome
Jun 08 09:30:35 <aquatix> hey wazd
Jun 08 09:30:49 * aquatix rather likes linux on desktop and server
Jun 08 09:30:56 <wazd> aquatix: heya
Jun 08 09:31:00 <wazd> hello everybody
Jun 08 09:31:10 <zakkm> hey wazd
Jun 08 09:35:41 <aquatix> X-Fade: ah, you where talking about http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/07/nokia-n900-revealed-in-nseries-presentation/ ?
Jun 08 09:36:07 <zakkm> aquatix: that UI on it is sick hah
Jun 08 09:36:17 <zakkm> it looks like a more graphical /higher-res maemo
Jun 08 09:36:31 <zakkm> but same UI / size / place of things
Jun 08 09:36:39 <zakkm> like different icons + animated
Jun 08 09:37:06 <aquatix> hm, that movie is from the n97?
Jun 08 09:37:25 * aquatix plays
Jun 08 09:40:00 <wazd> tag&share, point&shoot, drink&eat :)
Jun 08 09:41:27 <aquatix> heh, great movie btw
Jun 08 09:41:36 <aquatix> a student project no less
Jun 08 09:42:00 <zakkm> that looks nice though :D
Jun 08 09:42:07 <zakkm> wazd: what?
Jun 08 09:42:16 <Stskeeps> looks like a crap n900 though
Jun 08 09:42:19 * Stskeeps doesnt like the design :P
Jun 08 09:42:28 <zakkm> nooo onscreen design
Jun 08 09:42:31 <zakkm> not the form factor
Jun 08 09:42:49 <wazd> zakkm: well, that movie is full of marketing slogans like "something&something" :)
Jun 08 09:43:50 <zakkm> didnt watch movie.. just the picture
Jun 08 09:43:57 <RST38h> heya wazd
Jun 08 09:44:52 <wazd> RST38h: hola
Jun 08 09:45:01 <RST38h> bait&switch? =)
Jun 08 09:45:20 <zakkm> RST38h: decided im going to go.
Jun 08 09:45:50 <RST38h> zakkm: ok, if you do not come back here we will assume they ate you for that dinner
Jun 08 09:46:17 <zakkm> hah its downtown, late at night
Jun 08 09:46:27 <zakkm> more scared getting mugged than eaten
Jun 08 09:47:38 <aquatix> time for lunch
Jun 08 09:47:50 <aquatix> zakkm: get some sleep ;)
Jun 08 09:48:24 <zakkm> its only almost 6am :P
Jun 08 09:48:29 <zakkm> chatting with a schoolmate on msn
Jun 08 09:50:06 <VDVsx> the next maemo device will be the "Ultimate Nseries Devices" , wow :)
Jun 08 09:50:31 <keesj> VDVsx: url?
Jun 08 09:50:33 <VDVsx> "Another speaker confirmation for Maemo Summit 2009: Juha-Pekka Sipponen, Director, Nokia, Product Management - Ultimate Nseries Devices"
Jun 08 09:50:49 <VDVsx> keesj, https://twitter.com/PeterMaemo
Jun 08 09:51:02 <RST38h> Sipponen has been known to make wide off-the-wall statements
Jun 08 09:51:17 <VDVsx> eehe
Jun 08 09:51:30 <RST38h> Besides, it is not high level unless it has dpad (i.e. allows playing NGage games)
Jun 08 09:51:36 <zakkm> hey is there any progress going for opengl support?
Jun 08 09:51:43 <zakkm> i remember someone was going to ask at danishweekend i think
Jun 08 09:51:51 <zakkm> think it was opengl, or just 3d?
Jun 08 09:52:39 <RST38h> None for OMAP2 (but check with lardman)
Jun 08 09:52:41 <lbt> zakkm: opengl on n8x0 or new machine?
Jun 08 09:52:48 <zakkm> n8x0
Jun 08 09:52:50 <lbt> Nokia are talking to TI
Jun 08 09:52:57 <zakkm> ahh okay :)
Jun 08 09:52:59 <zakkm> still happening then
Jun 08 09:53:01 <lbt> and there are positive signs
Jun 08 09:53:06 <zakkm> awesome :)
Jun 08 09:53:15 <lbt> there is a good chance of a driver.... but
Jun 08 09:53:19 <zakkm> i cant afford n900 to be honest
Jun 08 09:53:23 <lbt> that's not the same as a library
Jun 08 09:53:24 <zakkm> or n810 for that matter
Jun 08 09:53:50 <lbt> I think it may be an idea to contact some of the Xorg guys at some point
Jun 08 09:54:09 * VDVsx starting to think that the next maemo device will only be released/shown at the summit :(
Jun 08 09:54:09 <zakkm> for a driver?
Jun 08 09:54:17 <zakkm> well yeahh ;p
Jun 08 09:55:12 * RST38h wonders what will happen if the N900 will NOT have voice calling
Jun 08 09:55:18 <lbt> VDVsx: I can't see them releasing it after... but maybe before
Jun 08 09:55:48 <lbt> zakkm: yes; there are some 'flakey' drivers that are not OSS (yet)
Jun 08 09:56:08 <lbt> anyhow, there is progress (I wish I'd made better notes)
Jun 08 09:56:10 <ShadowJK> I imagine any existing drivers even if released would probably have some significant limitations :/
Jun 08 09:56:10 <zakkm> ah
Jun 08 09:56:21 <zakkm> i wonder if some at tlug might have a idea?
Jun 08 09:56:37 <RST38h> no.
Jun 08 09:57:09 <qwerty12> ShadowJK: Considering that the N8X0 can't even play video awesomely... :)
Jun 08 09:57:59 <lbt> ShadowJK: yes; I doubt you'd get top-end 3D :)
Jun 08 09:58:07 <ShadowJK> considering the single-context limitations in "N900" :)
Jun 08 09:58:27 <RST38h> Well, this is something Nokia has to fix in their software
Jun 08 09:58:30 <lbt> but I don't know the architecture enough to know where the hw bw constraints are
Jun 08 09:58:34 <zakkm> qwerty12: ??? videos plays well :D
Jun 08 09:58:39 <ShadowJK> RST38h, I thought it was TI limitation :)
Jun 08 09:58:43 <RST38h> If I undertsand correctly, there is no "full screen mode" in Fremantle
Jun 08 09:58:43 <zakkm> mplayer plays my "legit" 350mb xvid :D
Jun 08 09:58:46 <RST38h> Shadow: no
Jun 08 09:59:18 <lbt> RST38h: I think it's more that there's no 'indowed mode
Jun 08 09:59:18 <qwerty12> zakkm: after converting, and if you do get a 700MB XVID that does play, be prepared for some serious lag during some serious action scenes
Jun 08 09:59:19 <RST38h> Shadow: The widely accepted way to do this (Linux, Windows) is to give programmers a full screen mode where they get complete control of the hardware
Jun 08 09:59:25 <lbt> windowed
Jun 08 09:59:43 <ShadowJK> eh
Jun 08 09:59:47 <RST38h> Shadow: You can refer to Linux consoles (as used by SDL) and Windows DrectDraw/Direct3D APIs
Jun 08 09:59:49 <zakkm> qwerty12: i do, but then again i dont watch action movies, only dramas, so theres not exactly intense frame changing
Jun 08 09:59:49 <lbt> RST38h: did you see the mailing list thread?
Jun 08 09:59:56 <ShadowJK> I never run anything fullscreen, 3D or not
Jun 08 09:59:59 <RST38h> lbt: Yes, but I did not follow it to the end
Jun 08 10:00:10 <ShadowJK> if an app on desktop refuses to run windowed, I uninstall it immediately
Jun 08 10:00:19 <lbt> essentially they would like to hand over the fullscreen context
Jun 08 10:00:21 <RST38h> Shadow: Well, here you have got hardware that just can't be shared
Jun 08 10:00:26 <zakkm> ShadowJK: harsh.. thats leaving out liqbase....
Jun 08 10:00:26 <ShadowJK> anyway.. there's no 3D on linux console :-)
Jun 08 10:00:36 <ShadowJK> zakkm, I did specify desktop :-)
Jun 08 10:00:39 <RST38h> Shadow: So, the way around it is to have two clear points where its context is saved and restored
Jun 08 10:00:48 <RST38h> Shadow: That is Enter/exit full screen mode
Jun 08 10:01:16 <RST38h> lbt: So they basically decided to follow the route I have just described?
Jun 08 10:01:33 <RST38h> Shadow: In fact, our current Diablo-running N8x0s have the same problem, to a lesser degree
Jun 08 10:02:51 <RST38h> Shadow: Hardware scaler is not being shared properly so the only way to use it well is from full screen mode (and mail notifications still screw it)
Jun 08 10:03:33 <lbt> RST38h: yeah.... kinda.
Jun 08 10:05:27 <ShadowJK> the single hardware scale limitation exists on desktop too though..
Jun 08 10:05:31 <ShadowJK> unless you have high-end hardware
Jun 08 10:05:46 <ShadowJK> or recent hardware, I guess
Jun 08 10:06:23 <lbt> not so sure...
Jun 08 10:06:32 <lbt> video scaling?
Jun 08 10:07:03 <ShadowJK> yeah
Jun 08 10:07:17 <ShadowJK> and colourspace conversion
Jun 08 10:11:36 <lbt> sorry... took me a while : http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/columns/xorgs_x_window_innovation_its_not_all_about_graphics
Jun 08 10:11:58 <lbt> lots of chat including about how some of this is being 'emulated' now
Jun 08 10:12:16 <lbt> so video is closer to rapidly updated textures on a 3D surface
Jun 08 10:12:32 <lbt> and various comments on colour conversion too
Jun 08 10:12:38 <lbt> just FYI and interesting :)
Jun 08 10:13:28 <ShadowJK> Well that's feasible with current hardware, but hardware didn't use to be able to do fullscreen video through the 3D engine
Jun 08 10:14:26 <lbt> sure... depends on your definition of current :)  I'm using 'old' ATI radeon R500 HW with fully OSS drivers
Jun 08 10:15:30 <ShadowJK> well with sensible CPU use :)
Jun 08 10:16:29 <ShadowJK> it does add much in terms of memory bandwidth requirements and blows CPU caches away :)
Jun 08 10:16:54 <ShadowJK> but if your system is some gigahertz monster in the first place it probably doesn't matter anymore
Jun 08 10:34:04 <Stskeeps> jeremiah_torp: poke
Jun 08 10:38:42 <ssvb> RST38h: you can just use Xv to get access to the hardware scaler, it's properly shared this way
Jun 08 10:41:08 <RST38h> ssvb: Ah...But not /dev/fb0?
Jun 08 10:41:22 <RST38h> Because I can't use current Xv, it does not provide an RGB layer
Jun 08 10:41:34 <ssvb> RST38h: it does provide rgb layer
Jun 08 10:41:44 <ssvb> RST38h: try to run xvinfo
Jun 08 10:41:48 <RST38h> ssvb: Not according to lcuk and change logs
Jun 08 10:42:26 <ssvb> RST38h: lcuk just does not want to use rgb, because his engine is heavily yuv based
Jun 08 10:42:45 <RST38h> ssvb: the way I understood it, he was forced to use yuv
Jun 08 10:42:58 <Stskeeps> RST38h: new xomap has rgb
Jun 08 10:42:59 <RST38h> Will catch him and interrogate
Jun 08 10:42:59 <ssvb> RST38h: not really
Jun 08 10:43:08 * Stskeeps would count ssvb an authority in this area personally
Jun 08 10:43:09 <RST38h> Sts: What about the one in Diablo?
Jun 08 10:43:24 <RST38h> ssvb: Weird...
Jun 08 10:44:13 <Stskeeps> RST38h: i think latest update had rgb565 or something
Jun 08 10:44:18 <Stskeeps> (sp)
Jun 08 10:44:49 <RST38h> !!!
Jun 08 10:45:03 <RST38h> So if I drop Chinook users I can theoretically use Xv???
Jun 08 10:45:08 <lbt> I thought lcuk used yuv because it offered a smaller colourspace and therefore gave higher framerates?
Jun 08 10:45:52 <RST38h> lbt: same colorspace afaik
Jun 08 10:46:11 <RST38h> actually, yuv is way harder to work with because components are stored in different buffers
Jun 08 10:47:05 <lbt> I wasn't into the details. I just ST recall that a frame of data had ~ 2/3 the size in his implementation. Which is why it refreshes smoothly.
Jun 08 10:49:19 <RST38h> I guess if one of yuv components is defined for two adjacent pixels then it would take 2/3 of the size
Jun 08 10:49:57 <ssvb> lbt: indeed, YUV uses 12 bits per pixel and requires less data to be transferred
Jun 08 10:50:44 <ssvb> lbt: but the device is capable of showing tearfree animation even with 800x480 rgb screen updates
Jun 08 10:51:00 <lbt> ssvb the N800 ?
Jun 08 10:51:08 * RST38h does not see the blitter speed as the main problem on n8x0
Jun 08 10:51:17 <RST38h> Dunno why people are so obsessed with it
Jun 08 10:51:53 <ssvb> lbt: yes, the only requirement is that the device must run at 400MHz to achieve this
Jun 08 10:52:02 <lbt> I'm trying to get nice page sized scrolling in Qt
Jun 08 10:52:09 <lbt> ah, ssvb.. OK
Jun 08 10:52:26 <RST38h> ssvb: Have you just updated Mplayer? I have not seen it in the app manager updates yesterday
Jun 08 10:52:31 <lbt> hmm
Jun 08 10:52:48 * lbt considers switching the CPU speed as scrolling starts...
Jun 08 10:53:30 <ssvb> lbt: maybe a kernel patch can help to make graphics faster, a hook to DVFS to switch to OP0 when the screen update starts could help
Jun 08 10:53:30 <lbt> shouldn't the governor handle that?
Jun 08 10:54:19 <aquatix> Tear seems to use quite a bit of cpu while scrolling
Jun 08 10:54:38 <ssvb> lbt: governor only cares about cpu load unfortunately, and if cpu load is low, it will switch to lower clock frequency
Jun 08 10:54:46 <qwerty12> ssvb: OP0 is the one that sets CPU to 400 while giving DSP a lower clock speed?
Jun 08 10:55:10 <ssvb> qwerty12: yes
Jun 08 10:55:19 <qwerty12> Aha, thanks
Jun 08 10:55:20 <lbt> I guess if it restores OP0
Jun 08 10:55:47 <lbt> I wonder what that'll do for power usage
Jun 08 10:56:01 <lbt> does screen update happen when the screen isn't changed?
Jun 08 10:56:15 <lbt> ie "refresh" ?
Jun 08 10:56:33 <lbt> not sure if the HW is different in this respect
Jun 08 10:57:00 <RST38h> lbt: In N8x0 screen updates should be done explicitely
Jun 08 10:57:07 <lbt> nice
Jun 08 10:57:09 <RST38h> lbt: Same in a lot of Nokia phones
Jun 08 10:57:36 <RST38h> lbt: basically your "screen buffer" is just an area of SDRAM. To make it seen on the screen, you use the blizzard blitter
Jun 08 10:58:14 <RST38h> In N900 you can expect a real screen buffer with DMA running 100% of the time
Jun 08 10:58:41 <lbt> OK ta
Jun 08 10:58:55 <jegp> where can I read about the N900?
Jun 08 10:59:21 <lbt> jegp: maemo SDK
Jun 08 10:59:43 <jegp> thanks
Jun 08 10:59:49 <lbt> np
Jun 08 11:01:27 <ssvb> lbt: it may be tricky to get tearfree scrolling in Qt, omapfb screen update ioctl must explicitly have flag to wait for VSYNC
Jun 08 11:02:12 <ssvb> lbt: it is used in Xv, or if you use omapfb ioctl calls directly, but not anywhere else
Jun 08 11:02:22 <lbt> is this done in gtk?
Jun 08 11:02:27 <ssvb> lbt: no
Jun 08 11:02:56 <lbt> would it be reasonable for the Qt painter to take a HILDON hook to do this?
Jun 08 11:03:07 <lbt> or just wait for Vsync?
Jun 08 11:05:23 <lbt> FBIO_WAITFORSYNC
Jun 08 11:05:45 <RST38h> lbt: Somebody knowledgeable mentioned that to be useless on Maemo
Jun 08 11:06:03 <lbt> OK
Jun 08 11:06:04 <ssvb> lbt: this all can be a bit tricky, waiting for VSYNC limits the number of screen updates (you can't have more screen updates than LCD refresh rate), and if you have a lot of small drawing operations done, it may be a problem
Jun 08 11:06:35 <lbt> I *think* Qt allows consolidated refresh
Jun 08 11:06:53 <lbt> but maybe not in the renderer used on Diablo
Jun 08 11:06:58 <RST38h> lbt: the only question where :)
Jun 08 11:07:46 <lbt> what is the lcd refresh rate BTW?
Jun 08 11:07:56 <pupnik> nobody knows
Jun 08 11:08:00 <ssvb> lbt: ~55Hz
Jun 08 11:08:13 <lbt> OK
Jun 08 11:08:47 <pupnik> new dosbox?
Jun 08 11:09:19 <pupnik> no interest :)
Jun 08 11:09:27 <lbt> heh... I'd better get back to Mer... we need our DVCS workflow sorted ... <sigh>
Jun 08 11:09:42 <pupnik> bon travaille
Jun 08 11:10:03 <pupnik> add /dev/dsp support
Jun 08 11:10:14 <lbt> I made Qt do proper fingerscrolling + bounce a la Fremantle this morning... fiferboy's new approach seems good
Jun 08 11:10:26 <pupnik> cool
Jun 08 11:11:36 <lbt> video soon
Jun 08 11:11:54 <ssvb> lbt: about 'wait for VSYNC', it is not done explicity with a separate call (which does not work), but it's part of screen update
Jun 08 11:12:34 <ssvb> lbt: whenever you do screen update ioctl, it is a nonblocking call and screen update starts asynchronously
Jun 08 11:13:18 <ssvb> lbt: if you have TEARSYNC flag set, the real screen update will be postponed till the right moment, but your call is still nonblocking
Jun 08 11:13:44 <lbt> makes sense
Jun 08 11:14:12 <lbt> I think Qt is able to 'flush' updates at a frequency
Jun 08 11:14:32 <lbt> so the real updates are aggregated to an off screen buffer
Jun 08 11:14:47 <lbt> which is how they do transparency etc in non-gl rendere
Jun 08 11:14:50 <RST38h> ssvb: does wait for vsync work at all?
Jun 08 11:15:03 <RST38h> (also I think the LCD update rate is 60Hz, it is kinda standard)
Jun 08 11:15:30 <lbt> and we don't (currently) have the code to expose the vsync ioctly
Jun 08 11:16:53 <ssvb> lbt: if you manage to use Xv as a backend for Qt, it may work
Jun 08 11:18:03 <lbt> TBH my Qt foo isn't that high :)
Jun 08 11:18:45 <ssvb> RST38h: screen update ioctl has two flags: OMAPFB_FORMAT_FLAG_TEARSYNC and OMAPFB_FORMAT_FLAG_FORCE_VSYNC. The former helps to avoid tearing, but it's better not to touch the latter
Jun 08 11:19:47 <RST38h> ssvb: Aha, I see
Jun 08 11:20:31 <ssvb> RST38h: the point is that screen update can be either faster or slower than LCD refresh rate (depending on the width of the area to be updated), so in one case screen update needs to really start at VSYNC and in the other case it needs to start when LCD refresh reaches a certain line
Jun 08 11:20:58 <ssvb> RST38h: OMAPFB_FORMAT_FLAG_TEARSYNC has all this special logic
Jun 08 11:21:33 <RST38h> ssvb: the tearsync option does not require any wait, does it?
Jun 08 11:21:54 <RST38h> it simply synchronizes update start with the vblank?
Jun 08 11:22:25 <ssvb> RST38h: and OMAPFB_FORMAT_FLAG_FORCE_VSYNC just forces screen update on VBLANK, which is not always the right thing to do
Jun 08 11:22:31 <Stskeeps> andre__: re 3286, we follow fremantle app manager. it might already be gone
Jun 08 11:22:45 <andre__> ah. ok.
Jun 08 11:23:10 <ssvb> RST38h: yes, that's right
Jun 08 11:23:22 <RST38h> ssvb: So with FORCE_VSYNC you get a resemblance of the "normal" screen buffer with auto updates?
Jun 08 11:24:33 <ssvb> RST38h: not really, auto updates are turned on in a different way
Jun 08 11:25:20 <pupnik> fix in next device
Jun 08 11:25:54 <ssvb> RST38h: or if you kick it periodically, yes that would really work as auto updates
Jun 08 11:26:54 <ssvb> RST38h: but anyway, if you need to synchronize drawing with screen updates (to get rid of tearing), that will not help much
Jun 08 11:27:34 <RST38h> aha
Jun 08 11:27:53 * RST38h spends so much time to draw to the screen that nothing will help him get rid of tearing really
Jun 08 11:28:31 <RST38h> Screen update has to happen scanline by scanline and synced to the simulated CPU execution time
Jun 08 11:28:32 <ssvb> RST38h: if you use double buffering, it does not matter how much time is spent on drawing
Jun 08 11:29:00 <RST38h> ssvb: no double buffering on Maemo at the moment
Jun 08 11:29:08 <RST38h> i.e. not using it, not that it is not implemented
Jun 08 11:29:21 <ssvb> RST38h: Xv is some kind of double buffer :-)
Jun 08 11:30:03 <RST38h> ssvb: I tried using xv, did not find rgb layer support, and went stright to /dev/fb0
Jun 08 11:30:15 <ssvb> RST38h: actually it's more like triple buffering scheme: XV image -> framebuffer -> external LCD controller memory
Jun 08 11:30:21 <RST38h> fb0 works pretty well, actually, no complaints there
Jun 08 11:30:43 <RST38h> ssvb: Not really, because BOTH me and the DMA are working on the framebuffer
Jun 08 11:31:13 <ssvb> RST38h: yes, if you are accessing framebuffer directly
Jun 08 11:32:12 <ssvb> RST38h: if you use Xv, Xv image gets copied to the framebuffer at the right moment (when it does not interfere with DMA), so everything is supposed to be smooth
Jun 08 11:32:28 <ssvb> RST38h: though the extra buffer copy is a prrice
Jun 08 11:32:32 <RST38h> ssvb: I would prefer to avoid any extra copying
Jun 08 11:32:47 <RST38h> ssvb: Really really really need those CPucycles
Jun 08 11:32:59 <pupnik> esp vgba
Jun 08 11:33:48 <ssvb> RST38h: but if you are working directly with framebuffer, you may have performance problems, cache is disabled for it (only write-combining buffer is enabled), so reading operations are slow
Jun 08 11:34:32 <RST38h> ssvb: No problem there, just writing, sequentially
Jun 08 11:34:54 <RST38h> Although this does shine some light on why softening algorithms are so slow in VGBA
Jun 08 11:36:17 <ssvb> RST38h: sequential writing is not a very common case, unless you are copying data from another buffer where you do offscreen rendering
Jun 08 11:36:37 <ssvb> RST38h: and Xv image can be used as offscreen buffer easily
Jun 08 11:36:55 * RST38h falls in that uncommon case category
Jun 08 11:37:05 <ssvb> RST38h: ok
Jun 08 11:37:20 <RST38h> i.e. yes, I do have an offscreen "buffer" of sorts, but not sure you want to know what it is :)
Jun 08 11:59:39 <lcuk> RST38h, pupnik - benefit of using xv RGB mode, you should be able to set resolution specifically as well and save cycles that way
Jun 08 12:00:14 <pupnik> sounds glood
Jun 08 12:06:41 <RST38h> lcuk: I.e. you can zoom to an arbitrary size, not just xN?
Jun 08 12:07:09 <lcuk> RST38h, i dunno, and xv itself has other issues
Jun 08 12:07:15 <lcuk> still not perfect rotation
Jun 08 12:27:36 <tobi_> Hi, i'm planning to build a linux based in-car-system and i'd like to use maemo on it
Jun 08 12:27:47 <tobi_> will maemo freemantle run on arm9 based boards? :s
Jun 08 12:28:14 <RST38h> not as is
Jun 08 12:28:18 <RST38h> but you can try Mer
Jun 08 12:28:24 <tobi_> this board looks promising: http://www.embeddedarm.com/products/board-detail.php?product=TS-7800
Jun 08 12:28:25 <KayDeeEeJon> hi
Jun 08 12:28:28 <lcuk> no, but someone just did the same with canola on its own with no wm
Jun 08 12:28:33 <tobi_> it claims to boot linux within 2s ;)
Jun 08 12:28:43 <tobi_> ou really?
Jun 08 12:28:56 <lcuk> ya rly
Jun 08 12:29:05 <tobi_> and btw... the system should be hotplug :D
Jun 08 12:29:27 <tobi_> so you can plug in a usb-hd and it will scan your hd for media files
Jun 08 12:30:01 <tobi_> there are just a few ideas and i'm looking for a hw-sw-combination which will best fit my needs  :D
Jun 08 12:30:36 <lbt> tobi_: some guy already did this with Mer on x86 with a touch screen
Jun 08 12:32:10 <tobi_> did he? did he publish his project, or at least its status in the web?
Jun 08 12:34:11 <thux> can it be true that only 1% use linux?
Jun 08 12:34:19 <thux> http://www.netapplications.com/newsarticle.aspx?nid=52
Jun 08 12:39:08 <GeneralAntilles> X-Fade, and apparently hurt some feelings in the process.
Jun 08 12:39:18 <X-Fade> GeneralAntilles: lol ;)
Jun 08 12:40:53 <wazd> jeez, my n900 mockup got 5 thumbs down@maemo.org :(
Jun 08 12:41:05 <wazd> nice e-mail :)
Jun 08 12:44:06 <keesj> thux: for sure , the linux desktop world is still small (lucky we have netbooks)
Jun 08 12:44:53 <thux> brw is here any people who are testing next maemo prototype?
Jun 08 12:45:31 <GeneralAntilles> thux, sure, but they really can't much talk about it.
Jun 08 12:45:41 <thux> can it make gsm calls?
Jun 08 12:45:42 <wazd> thux: they will be killed if they reveal this info :)
Jun 08 12:46:16 <wazd> thux: then ressurected and then killed again)
Jun 08 12:46:36 <aquatix> then shot in the knees
Jun 08 12:46:44 <thux> i just heard that many nokians are testing prototype
Jun 08 12:46:46 <keesj> HSPA is all that was promissed
Jun 08 12:46:47 <aquatix> you know, the basic NDA stuff
Jun 08 12:47:08 <lbt> thux: so did you get that?
Jun 08 12:47:50 <thux> i'm not nokianss
Jun 08 12:49:20 <RST38h> get what?
Jun 08 12:49:35 <thux> prototype
Jun 08 12:49:47 <lbt> I posted all the N900 details...
Jun 08 12:49:49 * RST38h grumbles
Jun 08 12:49:56 <lbt> hope they weren't lost in the split
Jun 08 12:50:07 <RST38h> they were, please repeat
Jun 08 12:50:31 <lbt> aw damn, my line history broke and I'm too lazy to retype
Jun 08 12:50:50 <thux> and put in youtube some video too
Jun 08 12:52:27 <RST38h> lbt: scroll back cut and paste =)
Jun 08 12:53:06 <lbt> good idea
Jun 08 12:53:10 <lbt> well wouldn't you know it; the split used up all my scrollback buffer
Jun 08 13:03:16 <lbt> hi fiferboy
Jun 08 13:03:22 <fiferboy> hi lbt
Jun 08 13:03:26 <fiferboy> How's it going?
Jun 08 13:03:43 <lbt> got some time this morning and it's looking good
Jun 08 13:04:04 <fiferboy> Excellent
Jun 08 13:04:56 <lbt> you?
Jun 08 13:05:37 <X-Fade> Hmm what's up with that glib dependency issue for liqbase?
Jun 08 13:05:58 <fiferboy> Had a nice weekend, ready to get back into some programming
Jun 08 13:07:04 <lbt> good
Jun 08 13:07:18 <lbt> I fixed a few minor issues in the code
Jun 08 13:07:53 <lbt> It also needs to handle being manually overshot (the algorithm just doesn't work)
Jun 08 13:08:01 <wazd> fiferboy: hola
Jun 08 13:08:04 <lbt> (I cheated)
Jun 08 13:08:26 <fiferboy> hey wazd
Jun 08 13:09:02 <fiferboy> lbt:  I noticed the manual overshoot doesn't scroll back smoothly now.  It jumps back, which is way better than nothing
Jun 08 13:09:26 <lbt> yeah... that's exactly what I mean :)
Jun 08 13:09:27 <RST38h> Freescale tablet is out
Jun 08 13:09:41 <RST38h> ok, announced
Jun 08 13:09:45 <cosmo> url?
Jun 08 13:09:56 <RST38h> http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/08/freescale-netbook-and-android-powered-smartbook-debut/
Jun 08 13:09:59 <lcuk> X-Fade, i dunno, it passed your autobuilder tests, but then in the next package sampppa says its blowing up.  i really suck at packaging
Jun 08 13:10:28 <wazd> smartbook, omg
Jun 08 13:10:31 <X-Fade> lcuk: let's check where that version dependency comes from..
Jun 08 13:10:35 <wazd> netphone, anyone?
Jun 08 13:11:02 <RST38h> wazd: You can get yours right now from HTC
Jun 08 13:11:05 <X-Fade> lcuk: I want to be sure that the SDK is ok and this is a packaging error on liqbase's part ;)
Jun 08 13:11:13 <RST38h> If you are ok with WinMobile that is =8)~
Jun 08 13:12:10 <lcuk> X-Fade, i wouldnt have the foggiest.  its totally dodgy i cant even get diablo working on my sb to try with, collar sampppa and z4chh if you find anything out x-fade :$
Jun 08 13:12:31 * lcuk will try himself in a few hours
Jun 08 13:16:32 <Jaffa> Af'noon all.
Jun 08 13:16:38 * Jaffa is home, and shattered
Jun 08 13:16:42 <aquatix> hey Jaffa
Jun 08 13:18:24 <wazd> Jaffa: hola
Jun 08 13:18:35 <timsamoff> Jaffa you have permission to sit out fot the meeting if you have too. ;)
Jun 08 13:18:52 <lbt> 'lo Jaffa ... brain gc required?
Jun 08 13:19:10 <timsamoff> Fun: http://pikchur.com/a8A
Jun 08 13:28:06 <fiferboy> lbt: Did I send you the code with the isRightToLeft errors?
Jun 08 13:31:30 <lcuk> hear ye, hear ya right now, #maemo-meeting is underway.  council and others.
Jun 08 13:48:12 <lbt> fiferboy: s/./->/ you mean
Jun 08 13:48:23 <lbt> no... I fixed them ;)
Jun 08 13:48:50 <fiferboy> That's what I get for not doing a compile after my last changes.
Jun 08 13:48:58 <fiferboy> Just found out about it this morning.
Jun 08 13:51:23 <fiferboy> lbt: I'm going to try putting a drawOvershoot function in QASA and see if I can override it for item views
Jun 08 13:51:36 <lbt> well
Jun 08 13:51:42 <lbt> hold off for a short while...
Jun 08 13:51:57 <lbt> or be prepared to merge into my version...
Jun 08 13:52:22 * Stskeeps yawns and hugs sprintweb
Jun 08 13:52:29 <fiferboy> My changes will be minor, just want to see how to do it.
Jun 08 13:52:35 <fiferboy> I will merge them to your version.
Jun 08 13:52:44 <lbt> OK... hmm... must nag gnuton
Jun 08 13:53:17 <lbt> Stskeeps: yeah, sprintweb is nice... wazd needs to see it though. He'll die.
Jun 08 13:54:08 <Stskeeps> he did
Jun 08 13:54:15 <Stskeeps> said it needed stylesheet
Jun 08 13:54:46 <lbt> s/style/stylesheet/
Jun 08 13:55:09 <Stskeeps> its very mobile friendly
Jun 08 13:57:29 <aquatix> sprintweb?
Jun 08 13:58:08 <Stskeeps> http://guest:guest@trac.tspre.org:9010
Jun 08 13:59:05 <Stskeeps> you take a task from backlog, you have 3days initially to do it, you can extend estimate, give up, complete task
Jun 08 13:59:09 <Stskeeps> edit task
Jun 08 13:59:11 <Stskeeps> etc
Jun 08 13:59:28 <Stskeeps> all glued in with autogenerated microblogging
Jun 08 13:59:31 <wazd> lbt: mm?)
Jun 08 13:59:51 <lbt> wazd:  http://guest:guest@trac.tspre.org:9010
Jun 08 13:59:51 <aquatix> heh, nice
Jun 08 14:00:04 <lbt> ooh, I'm in the RED
Jun 08 14:00:20 <Stskeeps> yeah, means you didnt extend estimate
Jun 08 14:00:29 <aquatix> lbt: get on with it!
Jun 08 14:00:30 <aquatix> :P
Jun 08 14:00:35 * lbt feels guilty now
Jun 08 14:00:45 <aquatix> that's the intention ;)
Jun 08 14:00:52 <aquatix> guilt someone into fixing stuff
Jun 08 14:01:22 <wazd> lbt: ah, saw that already :)
Jun 08 14:01:30 <lbt> that's all it was
Jun 08 14:01:42 <wazd> lbt: handy but ugly :)
Jun 08 14:01:55 <aquatix> :)
Jun 08 14:02:01 * lbt nods .... lbt thought of wazd....
Jun 08 14:02:25 <aquatix> wazd: well, i think Stskeeps will accept some minor patches for css and html fixing (needs doctype ;) )
Jun 08 14:03:05 <wazd> aquatix: sure, I'll do it asa I'll finish Mer widgetlist :)
Jun 08 14:03:15 <aquatix> :)
Jun 08 14:03:22 <aquatix> priorities++
Jun 08 14:03:34 * aquatix wonders how maemo5 final will look like
Jun 08 14:03:48 <lbt> fremantle sdk looks very nice
Jun 08 14:03:52 <Stskeeps> i guess sprintweb should have a vote function sometime
Jun 08 14:04:22 <lbt> heh... seeing maemo-meeting I think you get a vote if you do some work
Jun 08 14:05:21 <fiferboy> Has anyone else experienced screwed up colours in the fremantle SDK in scratchbox?
Jun 08 14:05:42 <Stskeeps> but we will get to that eventually, we have equal priority for most things
Jun 08 14:05:54 <wazd> fiferboy: yep, there was such a problem
Jun 08 14:05:56 <lbt> right... back l8r
Jun 08 14:06:15 <wazd> fiferboy: but I don't know was it fixed or not
Jun 08 14:06:20 <fiferboy> wazd: Glad it's not just me.  I thought it might be because I didn't have openGL
Jun 08 14:39:34 <Andy80> hi
Jun 08 14:56:31 <pupnik_> lcuk, did you ever get uae4all src from kotczarny?
Jun 08 14:57:07 <LinuxCode> better question
Jun 08 14:57:13 <LinuxCode> does that actually work now ?
Jun 08 14:57:23 * LinuxCode is still waiting for a use emu for his N810
Jun 08 14:57:24 <LinuxCode> ;-|
Jun 08 14:57:33 <pupnik_> it was working last year with sound and high speed
Jun 08 14:57:42 <pupnik_> but sound not working atm
Jun 08 14:57:46 <LinuxCode> not when I tried it
Jun 08 14:58:08 <LinuxCode> got a link ?
Jun 08 14:58:10 <pupnik_> somehow my dev/dsp & esddsp is wrong
Jun 08 14:58:21 <pupnik_> not atm
Jun 08 14:58:28 <pupnik_> what didnt work for you
Jun 08 14:58:41 <LinuxCode> I only tried it last timne we talked
Jun 08 14:58:55 <LinuxCode> it wouldnt run at all afai recall
Jun 08 14:58:59 <pupnik_> did it segfault?
Jun 08 14:59:02 <LinuxCode> yah
Jun 08 14:59:16 <pupnik_> still haved the binary?
Jun 08 14:59:25 <LinuxCode> probably
Jun 08 14:59:32 <X-Fade> timsamoff: http://maemo.org/maemo-meeting/council-meeting-2009-06-08.html
Jun 08 14:59:32 <qwerty12> pupnik_: he can be found in #liqbase
Jun 08 14:59:46 <timsamoff> X-Fade: Thanks!
Jun 08 14:59:51 <pupnik_> k ty
Jun 08 15:00:09 <LinuxCode> 4pm , he is probbaly working
Jun 08 15:00:34 <X-Fade> timsamoff: better wording to discribe these meetings for: http://maemo.org/maemo-meeting/ are appreciated ;)
Jun 08 15:00:44 <pupnik_> if we can integrate a working dsp wrapper into the .deb - might solve it
Jun 08 15:02:28 <timsamoff> X-Fade: Title: Maemo Community Council meetings; Description: Maemo Community Council meetings are held periodically to cover community ideas and issues. These meetings are open for everybody to join.
Jun 08 15:02:44 <timsamoff> X-Fade: Thank you so much!
Jun 08 15:03:22 <X-Fade> timsamoff: Thanks, updated.
Jun 08 15:03:41 <timsamoff> :D
Jun 08 15:12:37 <timsamoff> X-Fade: Is there a specific Council Blog RSS feed?
Jun 08 15:13:38 <Tu13es> hm, I'm trying to flash my n800 and getting this:
Jun 08 15:13:38 <Tu13es> Write failed after 0 bytes
Jun 08 15:13:38 <Tu13es> usb_bulk_write: Unknown error: -1
Jun 08 15:13:45 <Tu13es> any ideas?
Jun 08 15:14:06 <pupnik> lcuk, you up for doing me a favor?
Jun 08 15:14:07 <Stskeeps> 1) are you root 2) did you hold down home key when turning it on?
Jun 08 15:14:18 <Tu13es> Stskeeps: yep, and yep
Jun 08 15:14:35 <Stskeeps> Tu13es: grab static flasher and see if it helps
Jun 08 15:14:57 <Tu13es> what/where is that?
Jun 08 15:15:34 <Stskeeps> tablets-dev.nokia.com , there's a flasher-something-static on the flasher download page
Jun 08 15:15:40 <Stskeeps> then you're sure it's the right libusb version
Jun 08 15:17:27 <Tu13es> will it work on a mac?
Jun 08 15:17:39 <Stskeeps> ah.
Jun 08 15:17:48 <Stskeeps> now that's a different game :P
Jun 08 15:18:05 <Tu13es> heh
Jun 08 15:18:28 <Tu13es> if it matters, my n800 seems to be in an odd state - it won't boot
Jun 08 15:18:36 <Tu13es> I haven't used it in a while and can't remember what I was doing last with it, heh
Jun 08 15:18:43 <Stskeeps> try to charge it completely first
Jun 08 15:18:48 <Stskeeps> leave it in charger
Jun 08 15:19:06 <Tu13es> I charged it overnight last night, oddly
Jun 08 15:19:10 <Stskeeps> hmm
Jun 08 15:19:10 <Tu13es> well, I plugged it in overnight
Jun 08 15:19:43 <Stskeeps> you don't have a secondary battery do you?
Jun 08 15:19:43 <icke_itt> remove the battery for a couple of minutes
Jun 08 15:20:07 <Tu13es> will do
Jun 08 15:20:44 <icke_itt> than charge it again and try to start it after the charging symbol shows
Jun 08 15:22:40 <Tu13es> whoa, weird
Jun 08 15:23:04 <Tu13es> okay, so just playing around i popped the battery back in, plugged in USB, started the flasher, and plugged in the AC adapter
Jun 08 15:23:07 <Tu13es> it started flashing, but
Jun 08 15:23:15 <Tu13es> Sending and flashing rootfs image (134912 kB)... 12% (16512 of 134912 kB, 5892 kB/s)
Jun 08 15:23:18 <Tu13es> Write failed after 16908288 bytes
Jun 08 15:23:21 <Tu13es> usb_bulk_write: Unknown error: -1
Jun 08 15:23:51 <pupnik> dodgy cable/connection?
Jun 08 15:24:20 <Tu13es> don't think so, it did something similar a few minutes ago i think
Jun 08 15:25:31 <pupnik> i want a button in xchat to snap a pic from camera, autoupload to an image hoster, and paste url into current channel
Jun 08 15:31:04 <Tu13es> ah, finally got to a charging screen
Jun 08 15:35:01 <rmt> pupnik, That shouldn't be hard.
Jun 08 15:35:09 <rmt> pupnik, Xchat got the python script module installed?
Jun 08 15:35:16 <pupnik> yes
Jun 08 15:35:28 <rmt> Then you're pretty much set. :->
Jun 08 15:35:28 <pupnik> would be a nice  trick imo
Jun 08 15:35:39 <qwerty12> rmt: My build from extras-devel has it enabled; the Extras one, not.
Jun 08 15:35:41 <pupnik> i cant dev atm
Jun 08 15:37:32 <rmt> pupnik, A python X-chat script would be a good way to start.  You can load the easy python (iirc) module.. you'll have to install the package.
Jun 08 15:38:05 <rmt> Then use the urllib2 module to POST it to an image upload site..
Jun 08 15:38:05 <pupnik> k
Jun 08 15:38:24 <pupnik> can python drive camera snaps?
Jun 08 15:38:46 <Tu13es> and, it boots, yay
Jun 08 15:39:01 <rmt> pupnik, Yes.
Jun 08 15:39:17 <pupnik> looks doable then!
Jun 08 15:39:58 <rmt> easy - Python-based API to ease the development of applications that access MAEMO-specific services and devices.
Jun 08 15:41:39 <rmt> import easy.camera
Jun 08 15:41:57 <rmt> http://easy.garage.maemo.org/
Jun 08 15:44:56 <rmt> easy.camera.click("filename.jpg")
Jun 08 15:45:03 <rmt> Then easy.camera.stop()
Jun 08 15:47:54 <Tu13es> hm, what can I do if apt-get update seems to hang while waiting for headers?
Jun 08 15:57:22 <Tu13es> anyone else seeing this? I can't update in apt-get or application manager
Jun 08 16:01:10 <Tu13es> weird, reboot fixed it
Jun 08 16:02:48 <pupnik> ahh painkillers
Jun 08 16:03:48 <thux> pupnik: have you exercised too much?
Jun 08 16:04:07 <pupnik> god bless sandof-aventis
Jun 08 16:04:20 <pupnik> moved to a new house.  herniated disc
Jun 08 16:04:42 <thux> lift heavy things
Jun 08 16:04:58 <pupnik> that was the problem
Jun 08 16:05:19 <pupnik> looking into surgery
Jun 08 16:06:34 <pupnik> http://pupnik.de/DrPocketSnes_Nokia_The_Horror.tgz  in case anyone wants fullspeed snes
Jun 08 16:06:57 <luke-jr> O.o
Jun 08 16:07:02 <pupnik> that should start and load the rom
Jun 08 16:07:10 <luke-jr> pupnik: fullspeed with breathing room, or just barely?
Jun 08 16:07:21 <pupnik> breathing room
Jun 08 16:07:28 <pupnik> estimatd
Jun 08 16:07:28 <luke-jr> hm
Jun 08 16:07:32 <luke-jr> you wrote it?
Jun 08 16:07:45 <pupnik> no, just worked on porting for weeks
Jun 08 16:08:32 <qwerty12> You're awesome pupnik, thanks!
Jun 08 16:08:50 * LinuxCode gets the whip out for pupnik to package up uae4all for N810
Jun 08 16:09:03 <LinuxCode> ;-d
Jun 08 16:09:06 <LinuxCode> ;-D
Jun 08 16:11:16 <pupnik> i can not sit or work on pc
Jun 08 16:11:33 <pupnik> lying on the floor 22hrs/day
Jun 08 16:14:42 <derf> Get a laptop.
Jun 08 16:16:41 <pupnik> fix my t42p
Jun 08 16:21:01 <plastun> hi2all. How can i play wav file in python? there is no module named ossaudiodev
Jun 08 16:21:54 <pupnik> there is no oss
Jun 08 16:22:23 <pupnik> there is esd and alsa support
Jun 08 16:23:04 <plastun> are there python bindings to alsa or esd?
Jun 08 16:24:29 <pupnik> i never wrote python
Jun 08 16:24:57 <plastun> ok
Jun 08 16:25:49 <qwerty12> plastun: hildon.hildon_play_system_sound("wav file") for really simple playback of a wav file; python-gstreamer bindings for something a little more advanced
Jun 08 16:26:22 <plastun> thnks, i'll try
Jun 08 16:26:59 <plastun> oy!
Jun 08 16:27:01 <plastun> cool!
Jun 08 16:33:39 <RST38h> moo all again
Jun 08 16:42:25 <Jaffa> Seems very odd reading the Apple WWDC liveblogging from just around the corner of where I was last week, and could see them decking out the conference center (sic) in Apple logos and iPhone paraphenalia
Jun 08 16:42:56 <RST38h> is iPhone paraphenalia legal?
Jun 08 16:43:18 <Jaffa> RST38h: Newton necrophilia definitely shouldn't be
Jun 08 16:43:27 <GAN800> Even XChat causes wd resets. . .
Jun 08 16:43:45 <RST38h> Jaffa: should all be outlawed imho =)
Jun 08 16:45:30 <GAN800> <angryoldbastard>There should be a law!</angryoldbastard>
Jun 08 16:56:51 * timeless_mbp got lost in London
Jun 08 16:56:53 <timeless_mbp> well, @paddington
Jun 08 16:57:06 * timeless_mbp is @paddington library :)
Jun 08 16:57:19 <Stskeeps> your n810 gps stopped working? we had to rely on paper maps in cph:P
Jun 08 16:57:22 <timeless_mbp> btw, anyone in the neighborhood?
Jun 08 16:57:35 <timeless_mbp> i was using paper maps in cph half the time
Jun 08 16:57:47 <timeless_mbp> i haven't really bothered trying to use the n810 gps
Jun 08 16:57:56 <timeless_mbp> the problem is that the maps all get my destination wrong
Jun 08 16:58:09 <timeless_mbp> Nokia Maps claims none of my reference points exist
Jun 08 16:58:19 <timeless_mbp> Google Maps seems to be off by at least one station
Jun 08 16:58:47 * timeless_mbp considered asking the librarian for help but decided to use the free wifi instead
Jun 08 17:00:41 <lbt> not in london... but I can wave in your general direction....
Jun 08 17:04:27 <lopz> hi
Jun 08 17:06:22 <timeless_mbp> lbt: heh
Jun 08 17:06:32 * timeless_mbp waves back in some general direction
Jun 08 17:06:47 * timeless_mbp kicks end users
Jun 08 17:07:13 <suihkulokki> that is not very user friendly
Jun 08 17:07:27 <qwerty12> RST38h: does fMSX check checksums on roms like vgba? :)
Jun 08 17:07:46 <timeless_mbp> users are not very developer friendly
Jun 08 17:07:59 <timeless_mbp> a guy said "i confirm this bug exists" in a bug report
Jun 08 17:08:07 <timeless_mbp> which has no details, no stack, ...
Jun 08 17:10:07 <fiferboy> lbt: Implemented a virtual function for drawOvershoot and an override in QTableView that has the headers follow the overshoot
Jun 08 17:11:09 <luke-jr> timeless_mbp: details are presumably in the original report
Jun 08 17:11:17 <timeless_mbp> no
Jun 08 17:11:29 <luke-jr> stacks are not always available, and I would expect not on embedded systems
Jun 08 17:11:59 <GAN800> timeless_mbp, clearly the failings all lie with you, so I'm not sure why you're complaining. :P
Jun 08 17:12:11 <timeless_mbp> :)
Jun 08 17:12:18 <timeless_mbp> luke-jr: this is os/2 warp 4.5 :)
Jun 08 17:19:26 <RST38h> qwerty: No, fMSX does not check checksums (MSX carts had none)
Jun 08 17:19:44 <qwerty12> RST38h: ah, thanks :(
Jun 08 17:25:12 <RST38h> qwerty: something is wrong?
Jun 08 17:26:06 <qwerty12> RST38h: yeah, refuses to load a Metal Gear 1 (translated) rom. I get a "failed loading file". Running it from console does not produce any errors. Bluemsx plays it fine :)
Jun 08 17:38:10 <leandroal> will the new maemo device have GSM/3G support?
Jun 08 17:39:19 <pupnik> apparently yesx
Jun 08 17:40:10 <RST38h> qwerty: Metal Gear 1 does not require translation and plays just fine
Jun 08 17:40:21 <RST38h> qwerty: Send me the file I will check what it is
Jun 08 17:41:05 <qwerty12> RST38h: Meh, I am not fluent in Japanese (although I'm not averse to grabbing a walkthough). but you're right, this is a hacked rom after all
Jun 08 17:42:55 <qwerty12> Sent, thanks.
Jun 08 17:44:10 <RST38h> MetalGear 1 has been released in English by Konami
Jun 08 17:44:15 <konttori> pupnik: cool!
Jun 08 17:44:28 <RST38h> So I have no idea what "translated" ROM you have been playing =)
Jun 08 17:44:50 <RST38h> It is also a pretty simple KONAMI4 ROM mapper, should not have problems
Jun 08 17:45:03 <qwerty12> RST38h: for which system? :)
Jun 08 17:45:07 <RST38h> MSX
Jun 08 17:45:12 <RST38h> MSX2 to be precise
Jun 08 17:45:38 <qwerty12> Haha, that's me shitfucked. Thanks for the pointer, I'll have a look around
Jun 08 17:50:18 <lbt> fiferboy: diff?
Jun 08 17:50:49 <fiferboy> Hang on, just fixing a graphical issue with the headers
Jun 08 17:51:19 <fiferboy> lbt: Are you reworking the scrolling/overshoot calculations?
Jun 08 17:52:16 <lbt> yes
Jun 08 17:52:35 <lbt> looking much better now
Jun 08 17:52:47 <fiferboy> It will most likely be easier for me to merge my changes, if you can wait a bit
Jun 08 17:53:59 <lbt> I'm messing in yScrollState == OverShootStabilise
Jun 08 17:55:18 <fiferboy> Was the problem detecting when manualScroll was exited and needed to go to stabilise?
Jun 08 17:55:30 <fiferboy> Or are you just generally improving the algorithm?
Jun 08 17:55:36 <lbt> no, just algorithm
Jun 08 17:55:47 <fiferboy> Gotcha
Jun 08 17:56:37 <fiferboy> I can easily add my changes to QListView and QTreeView, which means QTableWidget, QListWidget, and QTreeWidget should inherit them.
Jun 08 17:57:08 <RST38h> qwerty: I tried your rom and it runs on fMSX-Windows just fine. It does look weird though, using non-standard font, as if somebody translated it
Jun 08 17:58:18 <RST38h> qwerty: The original English version uses bold font
Jun 08 17:58:27 <qwerty12_N810> RST38h: aha, fMSX-Maemo wont touch it but no matter now. Thank you! :)
Jun 08 18:00:05 <pupnik> ines could use .zip support if u bored RST38h
Jun 08 18:00:54 <RST38h> pupnik: it supports .gz
Jun 08 18:01:01 <RST38h> As far as I am concerned, it is enough
Jun 08 18:02:14 <pupnik> k, i convert
Jun 08 18:02:56 <fiferboy> lbt: How does git do if two people are making changes to the same branch and then merge separately?
Jun 08 18:03:52 <fiferboy> It will mark the files with problem comments and alert the user, correct?
Jun 08 18:12:09 <RST38h> "Revolutionary built-in battery"
Jun 08 18:12:12 <RST38h> feh
Jun 08 18:13:44 <Stskeeps> "Ipod"?
Jun 08 18:13:54 <RST38h> macbook
Jun 08 18:17:15 <RST38h> "When you run in 64-bit, the memory limit is... 16 billion GB. It's unlimited."
Jun 08 18:17:42 <RST38h> puny attempt to create jobsian reality distortion field fails!
Jun 08 18:18:08 <Jaffa> 16bn GB really *should* be enough for everyone ;-)
Jun 08 18:18:13 <Stskeeps> built in battery for a laptop?
Jun 08 18:18:15 <Stskeeps> christ sakes
Jun 08 18:18:17 <Stskeeps> are they insane? :P
Jun 08 18:18:22 <lcuk> yeah, but vista will still insist on more
Jun 08 18:18:47 <Jaffa> Stskeeps: bit odd; but maybe the Mac heads upgrade more often, combined with improved technology?
Jun 08 18:19:04 <lcuk> RST38h, it may not be unlimited, but i doubt there is anyone in the world who has 16 bm GB
Jun 08 18:19:05 <t_s_o> Jaffa: that would depend on the addressing. iirc, one can address the full 4GB in 32-bit thanks to memory on the graphics card(s) sharing the same address space or something...
Jun 08 18:19:05 <lcuk> bn
Jun 08 18:19:29 <t_s_o> Jaffa: extended warranty...
Jun 08 18:19:37 <t_s_o> just fork over a bit more cash to apple...
Jun 08 18:20:24 <RST38h> lcuk: you would be surprised
Jun 08 18:22:40 <RST38h> "For 3.0, we're opening up the possibility for developers to build apps that talk directly to third-party hardware!"
Jun 08 18:23:09 <RST38h> "These companion apps can talk over Bluetooth or the dock connector!" -- holy shit, that is innovation!
Jun 08 18:23:09 <wazd> with iPhone you can actually remotely see in real time, wether your patient has the pulse
Jun 08 18:23:31 <wazd> pretty amazing
Jun 08 18:23:35 <Jaffa> 40m devices is quite impressive
Jun 08 18:23:56 <Jaffa> wazd: yeah, that app looks pretty cool - shows vertical markets, hmm.
Jun 08 18:24:04 <Stskeeps> wazd: that's bloody easy.
Jun 08 18:24:05 <Stskeeps> :P
Jun 08 18:24:10 <t_s_o> RST38h: sarcasm?
Jun 08 18:24:22 <RST38h> You can play music from your iTunes collection (on the phone) in the app!
Jun 08 18:24:36 <RST38h> t_s_o: direct quotes from the keynote (exclamation marks are mine)
Jun 08 18:24:42 <pupnik> qwertys dosbox build seems to have a bit smoother audio
Jun 08 18:24:52 <pupnik> hard to benchmark tho
Jun 08 18:25:08 <wazd> tomtom is the first navi software in the appstore. Cause we were dumping all others for a year
Jun 08 18:26:06 * RST38h wonders how much tomtom paid for the privilege
Jun 08 18:26:50 <t_s_o> hmm, "find phone"...
Jun 08 18:28:20 <wazd> ngmocO_o :)
Jun 08 18:31:41 <pupnik>  rubybox: Depends: ruby1.8-maemo but it is not installable
Jun 08 18:32:06 <pupnik> durr.  and old links to it are dead :)
Jun 08 18:33:32 <qwerty12_N810> it's in his repo now
Jun 08 18:33:54 <qwerty12_N810> he has a one click install somewhere - look for knots
Jun 08 18:34:30 <pupnik> k
Jun 08 18:46:41 <DHR> Does anyone know how to get gnumeric for mistral?  The maemo download ends up pointing at an apparently dead server, www.maemo.org.br
Jun 08 18:48:39 <wazd> I wonder why they ignored the number of windows mobile apps in the keynote :)
Jun 08 18:49:46 <t_s_o> wazd: or the non-store symbian equivalent...
Jun 08 18:50:01 <t_s_o> and funny that they included pre, as its been out what, days?
Jun 08 18:50:42 <bergie> hehe... and apparantly Apple invented camphones too: "iPhone has changed the way people use their Phone (as a camera)"
Jun 08 18:51:33 <t_s_o> changed, not invented, tho i suspect thats just a lawyer dodge. it they could get away with it, they would probably proclaim invented from the stage
Jun 08 18:52:17 <RST38h> 3 megapixel autofocus camera
Jun 08 18:52:18 <RST38h> hmmm
Jun 08 18:52:33 <RST38h> bergie: have they done it with a 3mpx camera? =)
Jun 08 18:52:44 <bergie> indeed :-)
Jun 08 18:53:19 <bergie> t_s_o: well, I hear that statement strongly implying they invented it
Jun 08 18:53:25 <RST38h> naaah this guy isn't Jobs. his rdf is nil
Jun 08 18:54:09 <RST38h> You can share your pictures with anyone! OHMYGOD!
Jun 08 18:54:19 <RST38h> Apple invented MMS.
Jun 08 18:54:44 <t_s_o> when was the first time i head about a phone with youtube upload? must have been a nokia pre-iphone...
Jun 08 18:54:58 <RST38h> There is an API (!) for video capture (!!)
Jun 08 18:55:21 * RST38h imagines thousands of Apple developers getting a simultenous woody
Jun 08 18:55:40 <t_s_o> its WWDC after all, must talk about API's...
Jun 08 18:56:42 <Stskeeps> Jaffa: how mature is maemo vala development?
Jun 08 18:57:26 <pupnik> qwerty12_N810, can u strip the dosbox bin and re u/l?
Jun 08 18:57:33 <Jaffa> Stskeeps: Tear is the only prominent Vala app, I know of. IDE support is still weak compared with real, big, mature languages - but as a technology (rather than a dev-env) it's fine.
Jun 08 18:57:39 <Stskeeps> k
Jun 08 18:57:48 <pupnik> i dont find "strip" for maemo
Jun 08 18:57:54 <Jaffa> 0.7.3 won't compile on glib 2.12 (i.e. Maemo) without a patch; but that's fixed in svn
Jun 08 18:58:24 <Stskeeps> just wondering if there are some guides, could be a good way to promote mer devel
Jun 08 18:58:30 <qwerty12_N810> pupnik: that binary is stripped :) (2.5MB -> 2.2MB)
Jun 08 18:58:39 <pupnik> ohh!
Jun 08 18:58:43 <pupnik> woww
Jun 08 18:59:08 <Jaffa> Stskeeps: I'm not aware of any :-(
Jun 08 18:59:11 <t_s_o> hehe, appeal to the green
Jun 08 19:03:12 <lbt> fiferboy: yes it has good conflict resolution handling
Jun 08 19:04:02 <fiferboy> The documentation I've read indicated that
Jun 08 19:04:09 <Jaffa> "and one more thing"?
Jun 08 19:05:38 <Jaffa> ah, no.
Jun 08 19:06:19 <Jaffa> Fremantle and Harmattan have a lot to live up to (no point having wonderfully open APIs, if comparitively few people are developing for them)
Jun 08 19:07:23 <RST38h> Neither will live up to iPhone software
Jun 08 19:07:30 <RST38h> But you probably know it already
Jun 08 19:07:57 <Jaffa> Indeed
Jun 08 19:08:27 <RST38h> But the toilet plunger Apple+AT&T tend to stick up customers' collective ass is alone sufficient to stay away from Apple gadgets
Jun 08 19:08:36 <VDVsx> Stskeeps, there are some vala tuts in the gnome website
Jun 08 19:08:43 <Jaffa> Oh yeah (AT&T isn't a problem in the UK)
Jun 08 19:09:02 <Jaffa> Stskeeps: don't need autoconf on Maemo, just a simple Makefile suffices IMHO
Jun 08 19:09:14 <RST38h> Jaffa: iPhone is a total failure in .RU, with huge unsold inventories
Jun 08 19:09:21 <lcuk> :'(
Jun 08 19:09:26 <lcuk> Jaffa, if only
Jun 08 19:09:27 <Jaffa> RST38h: Loads of them here.
Jun 08 19:09:34 <Jaffa> lcuk: for vala, I mean
Jun 08 19:09:39 <RST38h> Jaffa: Mainly because whoever wanted got themselves broken ones long time ago
Jun 08 19:09:56 <RST38h> Jaffa: and for the rest it is an overpriced useless toy
Jun 08 19:09:57 * lcuk has been ripping hair out for a week trying to split up liqbase and adapt to autotools
Jun 08 19:10:07 <Jaffa> lcuk: don't envy you
Jun 08 19:10:13 <RST38h> lcuk: autotools I would suggest to ignore
Jun 08 19:10:14 <lcuk> i have 2 packages which are *nearly* right
Jun 08 19:10:21 <lcuk> RST38h, its a library
Jun 08 19:10:33 <RST38h> lcuk: absolutely useless crap, as applied to maemo development
Jun 08 19:10:33 <lcuk> and i agree, before this i was nice and happy with little makefiles
Jun 08 19:10:38 <lcuk> hand crafted and working
Jun 08 19:10:58 <Jaffa> https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/trunk/packages/vala-sample.pkg/Makefile?root=mud-builder&view=markup is the entirety of the makefile for a Hildon hello-world vala program
Jun 08 19:11:08 <lcuk> now ive lost all mojo and will to live (but i know its needed in longrun)
Jun 08 19:11:20 <RST38h> lcuk: kill and eat a kitten?
Jun 08 19:11:28 <lcuk> ive tried :(
Jun 08 19:11:32 <lcuk> it barely took the edge off
Jun 08 19:17:51 <lcuk> jeremiah_torp, :$ are you around
Jun 08 19:17:52 <Jaffa> X-Fade: jeremiah_torp: known problems with garage incoming-builder uploads? (I'm getting permission denied on chinook, diablo & fremantle)
Jun 08 19:17:55 <lcuk> lol
Jun 08 19:18:51 <Stskeeps> Jaffa: we're overthrowing the council under the flag of our leader penguinbait, viva la revolution!
Jun 08 19:18:59 <Stskeeps> ;)
Jun 08 19:24:52 <lbt> doesn't the new leader customarily get executed after a bit though?
Jun 08 19:26:26 <Jaffa> Ah, working now
Jun 08 19:26:32 <Jaffa> Revolution stamped out :)
Jun 08 19:26:51 <Stskeeps> hehe
Jun 08 19:27:12 <Stskeeps> seriously though, did pb stop posting?
Jun 08 19:41:43 <GAN800> Stskeeps, why must you tempt fate? :P
Jun 08 19:42:16 <Stskeeps> GAN800: hehe
Jun 08 19:50:51 <fiferboy> lbt: Once you are happy with your changes, if you send them to me I will merge my changes in.
Jun 08 19:52:54 <lcuk> jeremiah_torp, keesj (or any other packaging gods) could you please let me know what went wrong and how to fix the packages http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=294711#post294711
Jun 08 19:53:02 <lbt> I'm planning a late one... you may wrap up first. First to go to sleep emails. yes?
Jun 08 19:53:03 <lcuk> bbl
Jun 08 19:53:29 <fiferboy> lbt: Sounds good.  I've got 5 hours of time zone advantage on my side!
Jun 08 19:53:49 <lbt> heh
Jun 08 19:57:08 <DHR>  vala requires OS 2008?
Jun 08 19:57:39 <pupnik> echo 3 > /proc/cpu/alignment fixes Wing Commander for me
Jun 08 19:58:24 * GAN800 idly wonders what a "torp" is.
Jun 08 19:58:28 <Jaffa> DHR: Dunno, probably not. Just uploading it to extras-devel failed cos of a cockup
Jun 08 19:58:37 <pupnik> torpedo?
Jun 08 19:59:51 <pupnik> that ines icon is beautiful btw, RST38h
Jun 08 20:01:27 <fiferboy> torpor is a temporary hibernation
Jun 08 20:01:32 <fiferboy> Maybe that's it
Jun 08 20:08:50 <Macer> in canada do women wear dresses with outdoors boots?
Jun 08 20:09:39 <fiferboy> Macer: In the winter?
Jun 08 20:10:29 <Macer> whenever
Jun 08 20:10:36 <Macer> i'm just curious
Jun 08 20:11:03 <Macer> i was watching little bear (who is obviously canadian) and their little psycho human girl... wears a blue dress with some like.... woods type boots
Jun 08 20:11:16 <Macer> like some shit you would use to go chop down trees
Jun 08 20:11:43 <fiferboy> My son watches Little Bear
Jun 08 20:12:17 <fiferboy> I can't say I have ever noticed anyone dressed like that girl around here
Jun 08 20:14:20 <keesj>  O,#N, O,#O, 7,#6, 0,#F- G+#F, F-#E- F,#F, F,#F, .,#_- f,#V- 2,#9, $!#$!
Jun 08 20:15:28 <Stskeeps> is that unicode or alien language? :P
Jun 08 20:16:07 <keesj> me trying to copy paste luck url on my n810 irssi
Jun 08 20:16:24 <keesj> not geek codes
Jun 08 20:16:43 <Mikho> but, alien language sounded so much cooler...
Jun 08 20:16:49 <fiferboy> lbt: Item Views with headers look much more impressive now when overshooting!
Jun 08 20:17:25 <Stskeeps> wtf
Jun 08 20:17:29 <Stskeeps> talk has "Post Edit History"
Jun 08 20:17:30 <Stskeeps> nasty :P
Jun 08 20:17:43 <Stskeeps> people can see my typo fixes
Jun 08 20:17:44 <Stskeeps> :P
Jun 08 20:18:00 <qwerty12_N810> no, only you can see your history
Jun 08 20:18:13 <Stskeeps> ah
Jun 08 20:18:14 <Stskeeps> phew :P
Jun 08 20:20:23 <keesj> you and council members of course :p
Jun 08 20:21:22 <keesj> lcuk: i will try to look at the post tomorow but i am nowhere near packagging god
Jun 08 20:22:33 <keesj> the main problem with the package as i left it was that it is a single package and it should be a lib and dev package
Jun 08 20:23:27 <Macer> fiferboy: heh
Jun 08 20:23:34 <Macer> well... i guess little bear is from canada
Jun 08 20:23:56 <Macer> but next time when you see the girl in it.... i think.. emily?
Jun 08 20:24:04 <Macer> she wears a blue dress with some wood chopping boots :)
Jun 08 20:24:06 <lcuk> yeah i know kees :$ i spotted it and have tried to find out how to rectify.  thank you for starting this off, i know wholeheartedly its needed
Jun 08 20:24:31 <lcuk> and i know all the pieces are on the right sides of the fence now
Jun 08 20:24:42 <lbt> fiferboy: go on ... send it
Jun 08 20:24:50 <fiferboy> Macer: The author is from Denmark and moved to the United States
Jun 08 20:25:24 <fiferboy> lbt: Okay, I will send it.  I just compiled QTreeView support as well.  I was surprised to find out that QListView can't have headers.
Jun 08 20:25:58 <lbt> heh, my original objective was to learn Qt... it's working
Jun 08 20:26:21 <fiferboy> Yes, I'm starting to get a good working knowledge too
Jun 08 20:33:21 <Macer> fiferboy: the actors are canadian
Jun 08 20:33:35 <Macer> they say the word house and out like canadians
Jun 08 20:33:48 <fiferboy> Macer: Yes, I think the show might have been produced in Canada.  It struck me as Canadian as well
Jun 08 20:34:18 <Macer> i'm watching yo gabba gabba now
Jun 08 20:34:55 <fiferboy> Macer: :)
Jun 08 20:34:58 <fiferboy> Strange show, that
Jun 08 20:34:59 <Macer> when i was 5 we used to live in a bad neighborhood on the south side of chicago.. and there was this old drunk woman named sylvia.. the kind the would scare children.. and she wore a hat like the guy from yo gabba gabba and it's disturbing
Jun 08 20:35:18 <fiferboy> You can buy that hat and glasses in toy stores here!
Jun 08 20:35:29 <fiferboy> You should get one and terrify neighbourhood kids
Jun 08 20:35:34 <Macer> not really. it's the weird black dude that makes it a weird show
Jun 08 20:35:44 <fiferboy> lbt: I sent you the files.  Let me know what you think
Jun 08 20:35:53 <Macer> the rest of the stuff is your typical kids show with giant animal type things
Jun 08 20:36:06 <Macer> although the red herpes penis looking thing with one eye is kind of disturbing too
Jun 08 20:36:08 <fiferboy> Macer: The celebrity cameos are strange too (Elijah Wood, Jimmy Eat World, etc)
Jun 08 20:36:19 <Macer> yah!
Jun 08 20:36:20 <Macer> haha
Jun 08 20:36:23 <Macer> like "wtf?"
Jun 08 20:36:33 <Macer> well.. alicia keys was the martian in the backyardigans :)
Jun 08 20:36:40 <fiferboy> Jimmy Eat World flying through the sky playing their instruments on giant cats and dogs.
Jun 08 20:36:45 <fiferboy> Macer: true
Jun 08 20:36:54 <Macer> alcia keys is #1 on the list of women that i can sleep with if i got the chance and wouldn't lose my gf :)
Jun 08 20:37:00 <fiferboy> And Cyndi Lauper did a song in Backyardigans
Jun 08 20:37:36 <Macer> if i ever had a chance to meet alicia keys and she ever asked me to make a song request.. i'd make her sing boinga just to laugh :)
Jun 08 20:38:02 <Macer> anyways... i need to work on my boxen
Jun 08 20:38:18 <Macer> i screwed up making another zfs inside of another and using it as a smb share
Jun 08 20:38:55 <Macer> mya is on yo gabba gabba now
Jun 08 20:39:09 <Macer> i think she's hot in an arabic black woman looking kinda way
Jun 08 20:39:44 <fiferboy> Bye all
Jun 08 21:05:58 <Tu13es> hm
Jun 08 21:06:11 <Tu13es> can i use the n800 camera for any type of n800-to-pc video chat?
Jun 08 21:06:31 <timeless_mbp> gizmo
Jun 08 21:06:38 <Tu13es> hm
Jun 08 21:06:39 <Tu13es> that it?
Jun 08 21:06:41 <timeless_mbp> or a windows beta client
Jun 08 21:06:54 <timeless_mbp> or anything which supports the codec used by the n800 thing
Jun 08 21:07:29 <Tu13es> hmm
Jun 08 21:10:34 <SHADOW_V> the quality of the camera is pretty bad
Jun 08 21:19:54 <Tu13es> yeah
Jun 08 21:20:01 <Tu13es> it'd just be so nice if it worked with skype :(
Jun 08 21:30:57 <pupnik> new dosbox build by javispedro with dynrec dynamic x86->arm recompiler and hildonization!
Jun 08 21:32:30 <pupnik> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=5686&page=39
Jun 08 21:38:08 <RST38h> 306MB of logs and counting...
Jun 08 21:38:40 <RST38h> pupnik: You and qwerty should really place stuff into Extras...
Jun 08 21:38:55 <qwerty12_N810> Oh, the real fun would be in attempting to read them
Jun 08 21:41:08 <RST38h> heheh, the Congress is taking money out of NASA's manned space flight program
Jun 08 21:41:36 <RST38h> No starships for you, earthlings =)
Jun 08 21:43:50 <Proteous> Damnit Nokia, ship me my phone plz
Jun 08 21:46:36 <RST38h> Proteous: what phone?
Jun 08 21:51:00 <RST38h> "I did some Craigslist postings to advertise it, and I very quickly got an audience of about 50,000 viewers a month," says Matt Goodman, an advertising executive in Atlanta who had no trouble attracting an audience to his site, Things My Dog Ate, leading to some small advertising deals. "I think I made about $20 from readers clicking on the ads."
Jun 08 21:51:13 <RST38h> advertising executive...mhm
Jun 08 22:04:38 <Proteous> RST38h: n97
Jun 08 22:09:46 <b-man16> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=294762#post294762  -- Ejscript released for Maemo and Mer - check it out :D
Jun 08 22:56:46 <pupnik_> :) :) :) :)
Jun 08 22:57:00 <pupnik_> reeeejoice!
Jun 08 22:57:31 <lbt> Yay!
Jun 08 22:57:49 * lbt has no idea why but doesn't want to spoil the mood
Jun 08 22:57:51 <pupnik_> :)
Jun 08 22:58:21 <pupnik_> it has been over a year we wait for a faster dosbox
Jun 08 22:58:57 <lbt> why do we care?
Jun 08 23:00:04 <lbt> is it used as the base for some apps?
Jun 08 23:00:12 <pupnik_> dunno - emulation is one area where the old virtues are kept alive
Jun 08 23:00:50 <chx> http://twitter.com/chx1975/status/2082461518 woohoo <3 my N810
Jun 08 23:03:38 <pupnik_> besides lbt,  the devs wrote a new dynamic recompiler to runtime-convert x86 to ARM
Jun 08 23:04:03 <pupnik_> and they rewrote the yamaha fmopl2 and  3
Jun 08 23:04:06 <pupnik_> 3>7)!594
Jun 08 23:04:14 <pupnik_> cores
Jun 08 23:05:28 <lbt> OK.. cool :)
Jun 08 23:08:12 <pupnik_> so now a few games that were unplayable seem to be playable
Jun 08 23:10:43 <chx> runtime-convert x86 to ARM
Jun 08 23:10:45 <chx> WHAT?
Jun 08 23:10:48 <chx> that sounds scary
Jun 08 23:37:19 <pupnik__> :)
Jun 09 00:06:43 <fiferboy_n810> lbt:  You around?
Jun 09 00:08:58 <n6pfk> I can't gain write permission on the external nand.  Any suggextions?
Jun 09 00:09:06 <n6pfk> sugestions?
Jun 09 00:11:27 <pupnik__> works by default
Jun 09 00:12:11 <pupnik__> dev/mmcblk0p1  /media/mmc1 vfat rw,noauto,nodev,noexec,nosuid,utf8,uid=29999 0 0
Jun 09 00:13:54 <chx> good you remind me i wanted to download the easy debian on the new 8gb sd card i put in
Jun 09 00:15:00 <pupnik__> maybe the write-protect slider on the card is locked n6pfk
Jun 09 00:19:08 <n6pfk> Then it locked itself, but I'll look.
Jun 09 01:36:40 <Macer> wow. i'm sorry but...
Jun 09 01:36:45 <Macer> ubuntu kinda sucks
Jun 09 01:36:46 <Macer> :)
Jun 09 01:41:23 <luke-jr> of course, it's GNOME-based
Jun 09 01:50:23 <Tu13es> hm
Jun 09 01:50:37 <Tu13es> what can I use my n800 for connected to my PC via bluetooth?
Jun 09 01:51:16 <zakkm> bluez?
Jun 09 01:51:23 <zakkm> or builtin bluetooth?
Jun 09 01:51:41 <Tu13es> hm?
Jun 09 01:51:58 <Tu13es> I connected it to my mac
Jun 09 01:52:04 <Tu13es> but not sure what I can do with it
Jun 09 01:52:40 <zakkm> Tu13es: just file sharing
Jun 09 01:52:44 <zakkm> i think
Jun 09 01:52:46 <Tu13es> ah
Jun 09 01:52:47 <zakkm> heh i got mac too :)
Jun 09 01:55:28 <Tu13es> i'm trying to find some new use for my n800
Jun 09 01:55:33 <Tu13es> it sat on myd resser for about a year
Jun 09 01:55:35 <Tu13es> heh
Jun 09 02:03:37 <yigal> what kind of use?
Jun 09 02:03:53 <zakkm> Tu13es: give it to me :D
Jun 09 02:03:57 <pupnik__> how does a browser know when to pan. and when to hilight text?
Jun 09 02:04:13 <zakkm> Tu13es: nah, install mplayer on it.. and Tear. it will be a nice portable browser + "legit" download watching of movies/shows
Jun 09 02:04:14 <yigal> use its analog radio with external speakers?
Jun 09 02:04:32 <pupnik__> or how do i hilight text in tear
Jun 09 02:04:56 <Tu13es> iunno
Jun 09 02:05:01 <Tu13es> I just don't have much use for it anymore
Jun 09 02:05:15 <Tu13es> I'd love to use it for a bedside clock or something
Jun 09 02:05:19 <Tu13es> there aren't many good clock apps though
Jun 09 02:05:34 <zakkm> Tu13es: flip clock does amazinggg :D
Jun 09 02:05:44 <Tu13es> it's alright
Jun 09 02:08:14 <Tu13es> a bit buggy IME
Jun 09 02:08:23 <Tu13es> and I'd like a little more customizaiton
Jun 09 02:38:51 <elninja> hmm... When I enable host mode and connect this USB hub. It gives me an error about the hub not being supported, then an error saying "unable to connect, no file system available." and then it hangs/reboots a minute later...
Jun 09 02:40:17 <zakkm> can you check dmesg in that time?
Jun 09 02:48:45 <elninja> just tried again, and this time it locked up right when the error saying "unable to connect [...]" occurred
Jun 09 02:50:13 <elninja> This time I'll run "tail -f /var/log/dmesg" just before plugging it in and see if I can get any output before it hangs
Jun 09 02:50:32 <pupnik__> see if it's the hub
Jun 09 02:50:46 <zakkm> the hub isnt plugged in right?
Jun 09 02:50:50 <zakkm> like besides nokia?
Jun 09 02:51:18 <pupnik__> try w/o hub
Jun 09 02:51:21 <Macer> just got rid of kubuntu and re-installed opensolaris on this box
Jun 09 02:51:28 <zakkm> mac
Jun 09 02:51:30 <zakkm> Macer: eww
Jun 09 02:51:32 <Macer> screw ubuntu. i don't know what there is about it but there seems something wrong haha
Jun 09 02:51:36 <zakkm> Macer: did you see the snow leopard news today? :D
Jun 09 02:51:40 <Macer> ?
Jun 09 02:51:45 <Macer> that it will support any PC?
Jun 09 02:51:47 <zakkm> Macer: 85%+ boost on snow leopard
Jun 09 02:52:04 <Macer> lol.. i had this theory that OS developers just put in a timer to slow it down on purpose
Jun 09 02:52:05 <zakkm> they cut whole install size to 6gb :D
Jun 09 02:52:16 <Macer> with zfs boot support?
Jun 09 02:52:16 <Macer> :)
Jun 09 02:52:17 <zakkm> noo
Jun 09 02:52:21 <zakkm> no news yet on zfs
Jun 09 02:52:24 <zakkm> its not over yet
Jun 09 02:52:27 <zakkm> few days more still
Jun 09 02:52:37 <Macer> heh
Jun 09 02:52:43 <zakkm> Macer: the whole OS is 64bit now, that helped speed a bit
Jun 09 02:52:46 <Macer> i know i'v seen quite a few builds out there for it but i haven't tried any of them
Jun 09 02:53:04 <zakkm> and apps are really slimmed, so its less data read / open quicker.. etc
Jun 09 02:53:11 <zakkm> few builds lol
Jun 09 02:53:12 <elninja> I'm trying to use an external wifi adapter. I'm just trying to connect the hub right now, and it's having this problem.
Jun 09 02:53:16 <zakkm> nothing in comparison to wwdc one
Jun 09 02:53:34 <Macer> wow really?
Jun 09 02:53:36 <elninja> I need the hub to poewr the adapter, since the n810 doesn't provide more than like 30mW
Jun 09 02:53:38 <zakkm> always
Jun 09 02:53:38 <Macer> are they going to phase out 32bit too?
Jun 09 02:53:39 <Macer> :)
Jun 09 02:53:41 <zakkm> yeah
Jun 09 02:53:45 <zakkm> no 32bit support
Jun 09 02:53:45 <Macer> good
Jun 09 02:53:47 <zakkm> no ppc
Jun 09 02:53:47 <Macer> heh
Jun 09 02:53:58 <Macer> someone should have done that a long time ago
Jun 09 02:53:59 <Macer> :)
Jun 09 02:54:00 <zakkm> Macer: they never have anything before WWDC in all its betas beforehand
Jun 09 02:54:05 <Macer> waiting for MS to do it next
Jun 09 02:54:16 <zakkm> lol
Jun 09 02:54:20 <zakkm> win7 was going to be 64-bit only
Jun 09 02:54:22 <Macer> God knows there won't be a linux distro that is 32bit only :)
Jun 09 02:54:25 <zakkm> but they changed tehir mind
Jun 09 02:54:29 <Macer> zakkm: bastards
Jun 09 02:54:32 <zakkm> lol
Jun 09 02:54:34 <Macer> i'm glad apple is doing it
Jun 09 02:54:36 <zakkm> linux is for legacy stuff mainly
Jun 09 02:54:39 <Macer> i know
Jun 09 02:54:43 <Macer> with its mwave support
Jun 09 02:54:45 <Macer> lol
Jun 09 02:54:48 <zakkm> but yeah nice speed boosts so far :P
Jun 09 02:54:57 <Macer> i always thought someone should branch it off so that there were kernels with hardware past 10 years
Jun 09 02:54:59 <zakkm> ew
Jun 09 02:55:02 <Macer> and a kernel without
Jun 09 02:55:03 <zakkm> you should use parallels in mac osx
Jun 09 02:55:11 <Macer> parallels?
Jun 09 02:55:15 <zakkm> ???
Jun 09 02:55:15 <Macer> wtf is that.. another vbox?
Jun 09 02:55:16 <Macer> :)
Jun 09 02:55:17 <zakkm> 2.4 kernel vs 2.6 ..
Jun 09 02:55:29 <Macer> sounds virtualish
Jun 09 02:55:29 <zakkm> 2.4 has all the drivers.. 2.6 doesnt
Jun 09 02:55:34 <zakkm> no
Jun 09 02:55:35 <Macer> oh really?
Jun 09 02:55:38 <zakkm> linux kernel 2.4 vs 2.6
Jun 09 02:55:38 <Macer> yeah it does
Jun 09 02:55:39 <Macer> haha
Jun 09 02:55:56 <Macer> it has been a while but i'm pretty sure 2.6 still has a ton of archaic hardware support
Jun 09 02:55:56 <zakkm> well thats what your saying like.. a kernel with and a kernel without
Jun 09 02:56:12 <Macer> like mwave support :) that one really cracked me up
Jun 09 02:56:14 <zakkm> been along time since ive used 2.4
Jun 09 02:56:18 <Macer> have you ever tried to get an mwave working?
Jun 09 02:56:21 <Macer> in WINDOWS? :)
Jun 09 02:56:25 <zakkm> Macer: i was a idiot hah thought the TLUG was today, but its tomorrow :)
Jun 09 02:56:31 <zakkm> got someone going to help me out when i get there :D
Jun 09 02:56:32 <Macer> wtf is tlug?
Jun 09 02:56:37 <zakkm> toronto linux user group :D
Jun 09 02:56:40 <Macer> oh lord
Jun 09 02:56:45 <zakkm> lol
Jun 09 02:56:50 <Macer> good luck. i'm going to show you no pitty if you get raped
Jun 09 02:56:53 <zakkm> vmware for windows, of course
Jun 09 02:56:56 <zakkm> ?
Jun 09 02:57:03 <Macer> and i mean.. physically anally raped :)
Jun 09 02:57:05 <zakkm> why the hell would i get raped?
Jun 09 02:57:28 <Macer> cmon. don't we learn anything from the news.. where the poor unsuspecting teenager goes to meet "an online friend."
Jun 09 02:57:35 <zakkm> lol
Jun 09 02:57:43 <zakkm> i went to the airport before to pickup my friend from mexico :D
Jun 09 02:57:44 <Macer> and BAM! raped and scarred for life :)
Jun 09 02:57:50 <zakkm> i meet online ppl tons of times :P
Jun 09 02:58:15 <zakkm> lol
Jun 09 02:58:16 <zakkm> i always wondered
Jun 09 02:58:24 <zakkm> to be honest ive always wondered why would anyone do that
Jun 09 02:58:36 <zakkm> spend all the time going online, meeting someone, making sure they are near/  go there.. do all that stuff
Jun 09 02:58:48 <zakkm> just go outside -.- wait outside till someone passes by -.-
Jun 09 02:59:05 <zakkm> not that i do that, ive just always wondered the internet 'predator' thing
Jun 09 02:59:06 <Macer> zakkm: because they think it's harder to trace
Jun 09 02:59:11 <Macer> haven't you seen to catch a pervert? :)
Jun 09 02:59:19 <zakkm> no?
Jun 09 02:59:21 <Macer> with the dude that lures online perverts to the video cameras? it is a damn riot
Jun 09 02:59:29 <zakkm> that like 5min short?
Jun 09 02:59:35 <Macer> out of 50 people that replied to "a teenage girl" ...
Jun 09 02:59:46 <Macer> wanting to have sex with her... 49 of them showed up and were arrested
Jun 09 02:59:54 <Macer> hahha
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