**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jun 09 02:59:57 2009 Jun 09 02:59:58 hahh Jun 09 03:00:01 i gotta see that Jun 09 03:00:04 omg.. one of the guys had a chance Jun 09 03:00:08 he had a real good bullshit story Jun 09 03:00:18 "No.. i just wanted to talk to her and tell her that what she was doing is dangerous." Jun 09 03:00:24 any chance you could link me up ? :D Jun 09 03:00:26 but then he had a bag full of liquor and condoms hahahaha Jun 09 03:00:31 doh! Jun 09 03:00:51 he still tried though. "Those condoms were for her so she could be safe and I got myself something to drink also." Jun 09 03:00:55 :) Jun 09 03:01:18 hah Jun 09 03:01:21 uhm.. let me see... Jun 09 03:02:22 http://www.youtube.com/user/slickslickster?blend=1&ob=4 Jun 09 03:02:24 there's one of them :) Jun 09 03:02:40 it's actually to catch a predator :) Jun 09 03:03:15 ah no wonder Jun 09 03:03:18 its US tv Jun 09 03:03:22 lol Jun 09 03:03:26 it's great Jun 09 03:03:33 yeah watching Jun 09 03:03:38 that isn't a real good one. the best one is the one where they had cops arresting them Jun 09 03:03:48 the ones that run out and get tackled hahhaha Jun 09 03:03:52 omg i was cracking up Jun 09 03:04:01 find ittt plzz ;D Jun 09 03:04:10 i think that dude is a little retarded Jun 09 03:05:01 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBlyAxdvBfo Jun 09 03:05:03 that one is better ) Jun 09 03:05:05 :) Jun 09 03:05:11 My nutty mother bought a Kindle Jun 09 03:05:18 GeneralAntilles: just the guy i wanted to see Jun 09 03:05:23 i really need your help Jun 09 03:06:01 Hmm? Jun 09 03:06:08 like... the little parts where they have the actors playing out the chats cracks me up Jun 09 03:06:13 GeneralAntilles: TLUG event tomorrow, some have n800/770s want to show them mer especially cause one guy has OS2006 installed hah, and i got like maemo on my SD card right, so i was wondering how can i install mer on jffs2, without reflashing/reinstalling bootmenu/loader Jun 09 03:06:19 like flash mer to jffs2 without initfs ? Jun 09 03:06:30 ~flasher Jun 09 03:06:31 somebody said flasher was http://wiki.maemo.org/Flasher Jun 09 03:06:39 what would i do though? Jun 09 03:06:48 is it rootfs then? Jun 09 03:06:50 would that work well? Jun 09 03:06:58 flasher-3.0 -r -f -R Jun 09 03:07:13 Not sure if it'll boot with the stock initfs, though Jun 09 03:07:15 i want to keep my maemo on sd card though Jun 09 03:07:24 and have it dualboot Jun 09 03:07:44 -r will only have it flash the rootfs partition Jun 09 03:07:52 oh Jun 09 03:07:55 * pupnik__ still testing new dosbox --- way nicer Jun 09 03:08:00 that will work ? and it would just open mer instead of maemo Jun 09 03:08:02 when i use internal ? Jun 09 03:08:07 first choice in bootmenu? Jun 09 03:08:12 nicer? does it use the normal OSK now? Jun 09 03:08:16 zakkm, I think you need the Mer bootmenu. Jun 09 03:08:24 GeneralAntilles: i use that :P hah Jun 09 03:08:36 faster, sound skips less, has an icon Jun 09 03:08:58 i had mer on SD card.. then deleted sd card and cloned maemo to it Jun 09 03:09:02 it can not use normal osk ds3 Jun 09 03:09:03 and messed with boot item i think Jun 09 03:09:09 zakkm, then, yes, it should. Jun 09 03:09:41 GeneralAntilles: also, according to mer chatter may 31st , it says 0.14testing2 exists.. where would ifind that link Jun 09 03:09:45 and is there jffs2 for it? Jun 09 03:09:58 or should i get 0.13 ? Jun 09 03:10:00 Dunno Jun 09 03:10:03 0.13 seems old Jun 09 03:11:17 I'm getting my Nokia Internet Tablet in the mail tomorrow. Jun 09 03:11:29 actually, fedex Jun 09 03:11:57 :D Jun 09 03:11:59 wooh which one Jun 09 03:12:03 n810 Jun 09 03:12:06 GeneralAntilles: alrighty, thanks!! :D Jun 09 03:12:16 Macer: this is awesome hah :P Jun 09 03:12:29 so it actually illegal to do, or just the whole sex attempt part? Jun 09 03:13:21 i don't know actually Jun 09 03:13:27 i mean REALLY.. the girl wasn't 13 Jun 09 03:13:29 she was 19 Jun 09 03:13:35 so any good lawyer could get the guy off :) Jun 09 03:13:47 she is hot as hell too Jun 09 03:13:59 the one they use as the decoy haha Jun 09 03:14:21 damn Jun 09 03:14:24 i mean i wouldn't try to hook up with a 13 yr old.. but shit.. if i met her and knew she was 19 Jun 09 03:14:27 :) Jun 09 03:14:32 i'd be talking to her for real hahaha Jun 09 03:14:38 no i mean like Jun 09 03:14:45 meeting ppl from online? Jun 09 03:14:49 told you Jun 09 03:14:52 PERVERTS Jun 09 03:14:55 lol Jun 09 03:14:58 haven't you ever checked craigslist? Jun 09 03:14:59 :) Jun 09 03:15:05 anyone have some advice about a first-time n810 user? Jun 09 03:15:10 im just curious cause i do it quite often, and wondering if i could get myself in legal shit Jun 09 03:15:12 s/about/for/ Jun 09 03:15:13 EdLin meant: anyone have some advice for a first-time n810 user? Jun 09 03:15:16 there are 240 ppl here.. i bet at least 10% of them are online perverts Jun 09 03:16:45 this sounds like an interesting conversation, but I have a few NIT questions since my first one is arriving tomorrow. Jun 09 03:16:54 sure Jun 09 03:16:58 haha Jun 09 03:17:01 like? Jun 09 03:17:22 EdLin: how old are you? Jun 09 03:17:28 I know first thing I should do with it is to update the firmware, and get Tear. What else? Jun 09 03:17:35 MPLAYER :D Jun 09 03:17:35 zakkm: 13 but I look 19. Jun 09 03:17:43 zakkm: j/k Jun 09 03:17:48 you should get an SD and boot from it Jun 09 03:17:55 EdLin: seriously.. no like are you a teenager, would you need to know music programs? Jun 09 03:18:01 are you a older technician, would you want like openssh ? Jun 09 03:18:07 I'm 39, but like music. Jun 09 03:18:10 are you going to read with it? Jun 09 03:18:14 fbreader/liqbase? Jun 09 03:18:24 * chx listens as he is very new himself Jun 09 03:18:24 I'm going to do lots of stuff with it, I'm a geek. Jun 09 03:18:35 EdLin: normal mplayer on it is fine actually. i mean you can get other things if you want. but like i said. the first thing you should do is learn to boot from the internal SD Jun 09 03:18:49 if you are going to use it a lot it is a good thing to do Jun 09 03:19:00 Macer: OK, how do I do that? I got a mini SD card ahead of time.... Jun 09 03:19:07 the internal flash is very limited in space and it is fairly easy to do Jun 09 03:19:25 hm.. forgot where the site is... but i'm sure you can just google "Boot nokia internet tablet from SD" Jun 09 03:19:28 and find it rather quickly Jun 09 03:19:29 EdLin: you know mer/ gentoo port? Jun 09 03:19:44 zakkm: I've heard of Mer, but am not sure what it is. Jun 09 03:19:58 do you like gentoo? Jun 09 03:20:01 like desktop gentoo? Jun 09 03:20:04 no Jun 09 03:20:29 it makes my Mac mini's fans whir too much. ;-) Jun 09 03:21:39 I liked Slackware though, back when I had a PC. Jun 09 03:22:10 I actually have a PC, a Dell mini 9, running Linux usually, but I'm selling it and getting the NIT. Jun 09 03:22:45 * EdLin notices a silence gripping the room from bringing up Apple Jun 09 03:22:55 im the biggest mac fanboy there is :D Jun 09 03:22:59 see the WWDC news today? Jun 09 03:23:08 EdLin: most people here have macbooks ;p Jun 09 03:23:27 yeah. Loved the new macs, felt meh about the new iPhone though. It has features in PalmOS 2005 that they're bragging about. ;-) Jun 09 03:24:14 i meant snow leopard :D Jun 09 03:24:16 cant wait Jun 09 03:24:20 still using 10.5.6 hah Jun 09 03:24:25 oh yeah, Snow Leo for $29. Jun 09 03:24:43 heh im on a 100% supported hackintosh Jun 09 03:24:43 :P Jun 09 03:25:03 I'm cool with that, I did that to my dell mini 9. Jun 09 03:25:11 awesome Jun 09 03:25:15 is palmos or epoc cooler Jun 09 03:25:24 pupnik__: palmos Jun 09 03:25:43 30,000 applications, ftw Jun 09 03:25:50 oh ya Jun 09 03:27:01 epoc on the psion netbook was the fastest thing i used Jun 09 03:27:18 but limited good apps i guess Jun 09 03:28:50 Macer: wow that guy runs fast Jun 09 03:29:22 lol. which one? Jun 09 03:29:30 the link one Jun 09 03:29:39 where the guy runs and he got suspicious Jun 09 03:29:52 oh yeah.. he took off past the camera but ther were like 20 cops outside Jun 09 03:30:26 is this like a weekly show? Jun 09 03:30:29 like 22min or w.e? Jun 09 03:31:08 zakkm: :) Jun 09 03:31:12 evidently Jun 09 03:31:19 ? Jun 09 03:31:20 zfs isn't going to make it into snow leopard Jun 09 03:31:25 whatt Jun 09 03:31:26 why not Jun 09 03:31:29 whered you read that Jun 09 03:31:32 dunno Jun 09 03:31:34 hold on... Jun 09 03:31:46 theres still 3 days left of announcements Jun 09 03:33:15 http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:xc6veOk_OTQJ:www.apple.com/server/macosx/snowleopard/+snow+leopard+zfs&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=safari Jun 09 03:33:22 that is the cached page from apple Jun 09 03:33:25 that is on google Jun 09 03:33:32 go to the bottom and you see zfs Jun 09 03:33:35 ZFS Jun 09 03:33:35 For business-critical server deployments, Snow Leopard Server adds read and write support for the high-performance, 128-bit ZFS file system, Jun 09 03:33:44 lol Jun 09 03:33:46 thats before keynote. Jun 09 03:34:19 heh... moment Jun 09 03:34:20 ... Jun 09 03:34:46 germans say "moment" Jun 09 03:35:04 hey! Jun 09 03:35:10 ZE German Jun 09 03:35:17 u? Jun 09 03:36:05 usually americans say "sec" Jun 09 03:36:10 hehhh this is a awesome showw Jun 09 03:36:20 what Jun 09 03:36:35 http://www.apple.com/server/macosx/ Jun 09 03:36:43 find me where it says... zfs anywhere on that web site now :) Jun 09 03:36:56 the earlier one was the cached one from a few days ago Jun 09 03:37:12 they won't have kernel lvl zfs support they probably pulled it for some reason or another Jun 09 03:37:13 http://www.apple.com/server/macosx/performance.html check that out :D Jun 09 03:37:18 2.3x faster, 2.0x faster Jun 09 03:37:35 shit. opensolaris can go that much faster than osx with the same hardware Jun 09 03:37:36 heh Jun 09 03:37:39 with zfs :) Jun 09 03:37:52 personally. i have never seen someone use osx server to tell you the truth Jun 09 03:37:59 exept OpenSolaris wont work on the same hardware Jun 09 03:38:01 its just leopard + apps Jun 09 03:38:04 except* Jun 09 03:38:18 cmug: PC hardware? :) Jun 09 03:38:20 Macer: its 100% just leopard + addons Jun 09 03:38:32 Macer, still it rarely is compatible with the components Jun 09 03:38:51 most places that have good servers ... usually buy supported hardware Jun 09 03:39:06 ofcourse if we talk about servers Jun 09 03:39:14 * cmug reads the backlog Jun 09 03:39:18 heh Jun 09 03:39:30 i've never seen any company ever use osx server.. i mean i'm sure there are some out there but..? Jun 09 03:39:38 you guys were talking about mac so didn't think of server side Jun 09 03:39:52 :) neither does the rest of the planet Jun 09 03:39:57 I know one company Jun 09 03:40:02 i mean... Jun 09 03:40:10 apple probably uses sparcs :) Jun 09 03:40:11 haha Jun 09 03:40:19 or ibm servers Jun 09 03:40:41 Apple ruless :D Jun 09 03:40:45 ibm servers suck Jun 09 03:40:49 hp or nothin Jun 09 03:40:53 Xserves are awesome Jun 09 03:41:19 untill you need to manage them. Talk about a nightmare Jun 09 03:41:19 ibm has a cell based server :) Jun 09 03:41:22 now that was awesome Jun 09 03:41:32 Macer: heh i should download full eps :P Jun 09 03:41:35 makes me wish a ps3 was wide open :) Jun 09 03:41:42 does it come in seasons or anything? Jun 09 03:41:49 then i can map genomes and shit on my ps3 Jun 09 03:42:01 zakkm: not really sure. i just happened to see it one day a long time ago Jun 09 03:42:05 and was cracking up Jun 09 03:42:12 Macer, doesn't the ps3 live or home or whatever already do something like that Jun 09 03:42:31 map genomes? :) Jun 09 03:42:47 cancer research if I recall correctly atleast Jun 09 03:43:00 not sure to tell you the truth. but that would be interesting Jun 09 03:43:13 i know personally you can't open up all the hardware Jun 09 03:43:19 and installing linux on it actually runs it in a sort of VM Jun 09 03:43:32 it runs folding@home Jun 09 03:43:47 mavhc, thats the name Jun 09 03:44:02 gotta run to the office -> Jun 09 03:44:35 zakkm: another real funny thing to watch is when they take the luxury car and stick it in the middle of the ghetto for people to steal.. it gets about a block and the engine cuts off and the windows shoot up trapping them inside. Jun 09 03:44:36 http://fah-web.stanford.edu/cgi-bin/main.py?qtype=osstats Jun 09 03:44:53 heh Jun 09 03:45:08 the gpus are beating the ps3 now though Jun 09 03:45:12 one guy had a screwdriver in the ignition... tube socks on his hands (i guess to not leave prints) and the car did its thing. he was surrounded by cops... and you can hear him going ... "Damn....... damn....... damn...." Jun 09 03:45:22 he turns to the cop and says "Officer. I don't know anything about this." Jun 09 03:45:23 hahahaha Jun 09 03:45:28 and it looks like it's just a waste of co2 to run it on a cpu Jun 09 03:45:30 i was on the floor laughing Jun 09 03:47:02 mavhc: what is that? Jun 09 03:47:14 like something that helps research by running a client/server for computations? Jun 09 03:47:50 oh... i guess so :) that's pretty awesome Jun 09 03:51:34 simulates molecules Jun 09 03:51:43 protein folding Jun 09 03:51:44 wtf Jun 09 03:51:49 i think i just broke my osol box Jun 09 03:52:03 oh... they don't have an opensolaris clinet Jun 09 03:52:07 i would run it if they did :) Jun 09 03:53:23 heh still watching this Jun 09 03:59:56 Macer: this is awesomee Jun 09 04:02:57 Macer: still here? Jun 09 04:14:00 sorry Jun 09 04:14:06 was working on this damn opensolaris install Jun 09 04:14:13 my nic was acting strange because it uses nwam Jun 09 04:14:21 and i tried to swap over to a manual network Jun 09 04:14:23 so it didn't boot Jun 09 04:14:26 wtf kind of shit is that? :) Jun 09 04:14:40 its solaris kind of shit Jun 09 04:14:43 it put me into maint mode because the nic wasn't working? haha Jun 09 04:14:51 cmug: i'll give you that one Jun 09 04:14:57 but it is worth it for the zfs :) Jun 09 04:15:26 all my stuff runs against NFS so I don't really care about speed :) Jun 09 04:15:58 Macer: still watching it :D Jun 09 04:18:40 lol Jun 09 04:18:42 it's not that long Jun 09 04:20:45 Macer: nooo im watching them all :D Jun 09 04:20:47 well trying to Jun 09 04:22:18 lol! Jun 09 04:22:26 i'll see if i can find that damn one where the dude was i the car Jun 09 04:22:30 i'm sure someone has to have it somewhere Jun 09 04:23:31 heh Jun 09 04:23:38 think i can find it on like "torrents" ? Jun 09 04:45:01 I think you can change the default boot partition. So you can have it boot mer off an SD card by default. Jun 09 04:45:22 whoops... ignore that... somehow I had scrolled to the top Jun 09 04:45:54 elninja: but i dont want to replace maemo Jun 09 04:46:02 i have my maemo i use on the SD card.. i want mer on the jffs2 Jun 09 04:46:07 it was solved. Jun 09 04:46:38 I'll read back through the chat Jun 09 05:36:05 hello Jun 09 05:36:27 i need a help regarding maemo 5 beta Jun 09 05:36:59 is there any help to install c++ environment for maemo 5 beta Jun 09 05:37:01 ?? Jun 09 05:38:12 sarower: sorry, dont know :( Jun 09 05:38:19 Thanks Jun 09 05:38:26 i dont believe theres c++ though Jun 09 05:38:33 C sharp and python is mostly used Jun 09 05:39:25 but i want to use.... suppose maemomm, hildonmm etc... Jun 09 05:39:36 that means C++ based Library.... Jun 09 05:40:01 i did it for the previous version suppose "diablo" Jun 09 05:40:19 ah sorry Jun 09 05:40:23 but i can not find for maemo 5 beta "freementle" Jun 09 05:40:36 more of a trying to help, simple knowledge.. than a coder Jun 09 05:40:49 its ok.... Jun 09 05:40:56 c++ should be supported if gcc is available Jun 09 05:41:09 may be there are other people who can knoe these things Jun 09 05:41:18 sarower: http://maemo.org/development/documentation/programming_languages/ Jun 09 05:41:39 Ok zakkm... let me try Jun 09 05:41:50 * b-man` is up wwwwaaayyyy to late Jun 09 05:42:00 b-man`: how late is it? Jun 09 05:42:11 i was online sicne 7am yesterday ;p still didnt sleep yet Jun 09 05:42:23 have school in morning? Jun 09 05:42:39 no - summer vacation :D Jun 09 05:42:55 ahh Jun 09 05:43:06 not summer here yet :P ( canada ) Jun 09 05:43:29 heh Jun 09 05:43:43 have nice sumemr plans? Jun 09 05:44:31 yup - i'm hopefully going to Florida to see the last shuttle launch Jun 09 05:44:54 pluse i'm going sailing Jun 09 05:45:12 and camping on an island Jun 09 05:45:17 awesomee :) Jun 09 05:45:46 :) Jun 09 05:45:59 zakkm: but there is no such reference for maemo 5 beta "freementle" Jun 09 05:47:03 :( i dont know man :( i cant find Jun 09 05:47:14 ok thnak you Jun 09 05:47:17 sarower: http://maemomm.garage.maemo.org/docs/ theres this too? Jun 09 05:47:24 it might also be too early in fremantle Jun 09 05:47:35 yah thats right Jun 09 05:49:29 any other person? who can tell about this...? Jun 09 05:49:42 is there any help to install c++ environment for maemo 5 beta? Jun 09 05:50:13 uhh Jun 09 05:50:16 Stskeeps: you here? Jun 09 05:50:32 or it willl work the same for maemo 4.1 (diablo)? Jun 09 05:50:35 sarower: its too early in the morning for most people, still waking up / at work and such Jun 09 05:51:02 hmm Jun 09 05:53:12 zakkm: he's a bit occupied on #mer ;) Jun 09 05:53:20 i know :P Jun 09 05:53:30 (reading log) Macer: PS3 should be great for computation. The VM you talk about means (I understand) that you have limited access to the graphics hardware but full access to the Cell processors. Jun 09 05:53:43 * b-man` really needs sleep ;p Jun 09 05:54:03 g'night all Jun 09 05:54:32 there are threads about the maemo5 beta sdk on talk.maemo.org, I would make a guess that there'd probably be links to it from there too Jun 09 05:54:45 Mind you, the Cell has only single-precision floating point hardware. Double precision (required for a lot of numerical work) is quite a bit slower. Jun 09 05:55:34 DHR: heyy :) Jun 09 05:56:14 DHR: factory/tech is there? :O Jun 09 05:56:16 zakkm: hi. Best guess is that I won't make it to TLUG this month Jun 09 05:56:24 im just reading your email now Jun 09 05:56:28 i love tech :) Jun 09 05:56:36 factory i need something from there, been meaning to get headphones there Jun 09 05:56:44 how close is it? Jun 09 05:56:59 Don't forget to check & print coupons first. Wait: no printer ink. Jun 09 05:57:02 yeahh i use canadacomputers for my stuff :P Jun 09 05:57:21 yeah i actually have to print out some GIC bond stuff and have to goto school tomorrow to do it lol Jun 09 05:57:28 but yeah i know the stores :P Jun 09 05:58:44 College and Spadina is an area I like a lot. Just guessed that you don't know it. Jun 09 05:59:08 i walk down college sometimes Jun 09 05:59:20 walked from yonge and college to yonge and dundas with a friend like two weeks ago Jun 09 05:59:34 so you wont be there tomorrow? Jun 09 05:59:47 or today rather Jun 09 06:00:04 ShadowJK: Do you know about maemomm for maemo 5 beta? Jun 09 06:00:06 probably not. Still some unknowns though. Jun 09 06:00:59 i do not Jun 09 06:02:03 http://techdirectcanada.ca/flyer/ zakkm: you could buy 3 cannon calculators for 4.99! Why would you want three though? Jun 09 06:02:37 i wanted to get that logitech mouse :) Jun 09 06:02:45 and some dvds but last week i think it was 5.99 Jun 09 06:03:04 also if they had some nice sd card, although canadacomputers has a 8gb on sale this week i think Jun 09 06:03:28 also i have a weird hobby of walking into stores and looking around Jun 09 06:04:06 DHR: PPC doesn't define double-precision floating point? Jun 09 06:04:35 PPC has double but Cell didn't until after the PS3 Jun 09 06:04:38 luke-jr, but PPC in Cell is just a slow PPC :) Jun 09 06:04:47 DHR: Cell includes PPC Jun 09 06:04:57 ShadowJK: so do float-point there Jun 09 06:05:06 and the rest on the SPUs Jun 09 06:05:43 There's this widespread belief that floating point is absolutely required for everything :) Jun 09 06:06:03 ShadowJK: it is :) Jun 09 06:06:25 right PPC has double, but the SPUs don't. If you need serious double bandwidth, you sythesize it out of multiple instructions on SPU. I think it is like a factor of 8 performance hit, but I don't remember for sure. Jun 09 06:06:30 almost every package is compiled with it ;p Jun 09 06:06:31 Like "no fpu? Video will be slow!", when hardly any video codec need floating point :) Jun 09 06:07:52 graphics is very complicated. Nothing I do requires 3d, but modern graphics cards have dropped 2d and expect everything to be done in 3d hardware. Jun 09 06:08:06 :) Jun 09 06:09:43 Much heavy-duty computing requires FP. But lots is combinatorial and only needs integers. I've done integer several calculations that have taken more than a year of CPU each. Jun 09 06:10:10 just cuz the code is possible with integers doesn't mean the programmer didn't use FP Jun 09 06:11:03 quite. There are trade-offs. In the early days, many programmers thought FP was for the lazy. Jun 09 06:11:17 lazy? Jun 09 06:11:20 interesting Jun 09 06:11:24 they wanted to do the hard work? :P Jun 09 06:11:51 Real programmers did careful range analysis and could get away with fixed-point (a generalization of integers). Jun 09 06:13:20 When I learned to program, Real Programmers use assembly language (me too). In fact, I did some numeric calculations in machine language (like calculating e to 100 digits in fixed point). Jun 09 06:13:39 assembly language should never be used for programs Jun 09 06:13:44 sounds useless :D Jun 09 06:13:58 wait, you started with assembly? Jun 09 06:13:58 hm. son is watching toy story Jun 09 06:14:05 amc Jun 09 06:14:11 Macer: number 3 looks AWESOME :D Jun 09 06:14:12 zakkm: he didn't say that Jun 09 06:14:17 but assembly isn't a bad starting point Jun 09 06:14:18 No, I started with FORTRAN. Jun 09 06:14:24 there's a part 3? Jun 09 06:14:24 wow Jun 09 06:14:30 OMFG, by all means use assembly instead of fortran XD Jun 09 06:14:33 Macer: 3rd one comes out in 2011. Jun 09 06:14:37 but theres a trailer Jun 09 06:14:44 going to be 100% disney 3-d Jun 09 06:14:48 wtf is fortran? Jun 09 06:14:54 * luke-jr hasn't even seen Toy Story 2 Jun 09 06:14:56 olddd Jun 09 06:15:00 Macer: programming language -.- Jun 09 06:15:03 like gwbasic old? Jun 09 06:15:07 older Jun 09 06:15:08 older ;p Jun 09 06:15:14 hah Jun 09 06:15:15 FORTRAN was the first popular compiled language. Jun 09 06:15:23 about 1955 Jun 09 06:15:37 I didn't use it until 1966. Jun 09 06:16:38 i want to help folding@home Jun 09 06:16:40 GWBASIC was perhaps 1985. Not sure. Jun 09 06:16:53 Macer: dont :) Jun 09 06:16:58 1966?! Jun 09 06:17:02 they use your cpu for bad stuff Jun 09 06:17:14 they lie and tell you its for scientific research Jun 09 06:17:15 protein folding? :) Jun 09 06:17:17 haha Jun 09 06:17:19 its really for Skynet Jun 09 06:17:21 they are making a huge weapon huh? Jun 09 06:17:27 haha Jun 09 06:17:44 trying to decipher the alien code in order to betray all humankind? Jun 09 06:17:45 I wrote an interpreter for a BASIC-like language I designed, in assembly language long before GWBASIC. Jun 09 06:17:56 alien code? Jun 09 06:18:03 yeah Jun 09 06:18:08 you don't think it's like independence day huh? Jun 09 06:18:10 they werent aliens Jun 09 06:18:21 where they upload a "virus" to a totally alien infrastructure and win the war? Jun 09 06:18:26 lol Jun 09 06:18:31 hollywood can do anything Jun 09 06:18:33 ? have you seen terminator? Jun 09 06:18:37 its not aliens Jun 09 06:18:47 i was talking about independence day Jun 09 06:18:56 and the alien code was unrelated :) Jun 09 06:18:58 HG Wells' War of the Worlds ended when aliens died of infection from us. Jun 09 06:18:59 is the new terminator out ? Jun 09 06:19:09 yes Jun 09 06:19:10 DHR: i know... what a symbolic ripoff huh? Jun 09 06:19:11 may 21st ;p Jun 09 06:19:15 Macer: it was kinda lame Jun 09 06:19:25 the computer virus? Jun 09 06:19:27 :) Jun 09 06:19:29 it sure was Jun 09 06:19:44 i mean aliens from light years and beyond... use tcp/ip Jun 09 06:19:46 hahaha Jun 09 06:20:06 I bet that they haven't transitioned to IPv6 yet Jun 09 06:20:12 lol Jun 09 06:20:27 no Jun 09 06:20:32 Terminator Salvation was lame Jun 09 06:20:42 they made their spaceship software with fortran that they stole during visits to earth? Jun 09 06:20:58 oh Jun 09 06:21:00 i'm sure it was Jun 09 06:21:05 the 3rd one was absolutely horrible Jun 09 06:21:10 almost all SF movies seem lame if you've read any reasonable SF books. Jun 09 06:21:15 i mean.. like... disgustingly horrible Jun 09 06:21:42 like dune? Jun 09 06:21:45 what an abortion that was :) Jun 09 06:22:21 the sci fi channel was a little better ... a little closer to the book. but then they totally fucked up the children of dune mini series Jun 09 06:22:51 macer, im still watching them :D Jun 09 06:23:00 mm, i would say children of dune was okay Jun 09 06:23:09 * Stskeeps pats his Dune collection on the shelf Jun 09 06:23:25 Stskeeps: have you ever read the book? Jun 09 06:23:30 yeah, obviously. Jun 09 06:23:33 lol Jun 09 06:23:42 have you seen the sci fi channel mini series? Jun 09 06:23:44 yes, i have Jun 09 06:23:56 i disagree with your view though, i kinda liked them both Jun 09 06:24:03 i loathe the lynch movie though Jun 09 06:24:10 they were good Jun 09 06:24:15 Victorians in Space! Jun 09 06:24:20 i mean they were very entertaining and the dune mini series was pretty close Jun 09 06:24:25 but the children of dune was a bit off :) Jun 09 06:25:12 like the "children" were like.. way older than in the book Jun 09 06:25:19 although the one that played the girl was hot Jun 09 06:25:20 Everyone thinks that the Dune series of books turns to crap at some point. They all disagree where. I didn't like anything after the first. Jun 09 06:26:04 * DHR wanders off Jun 09 06:26:38 DHR: i like most of the books Jun 09 06:26:51 even the prequels Jun 09 06:29:37 Stskeeps: i like the older movie. it reminded me of 1980s cocaine hollywood Jun 09 06:33:15 amcer Jun 09 06:33:21 Macer: i cant get enough of this lol Jun 09 06:33:31 this is a awesome show Jun 09 06:39:13 lol Jun 09 06:39:22 oh yeah. let me see if i can find the dude with the car Jun 09 06:39:26 that shit was pretty funny too Jun 09 06:39:39 im almost done that playlist Jun 09 06:46:09 morning Jun 09 06:47:13 damn i can't find a good one Jun 09 06:47:18 morning thux Jun 09 06:47:22 well.. i found a few but not the one i am looking for Jun 09 06:47:28 Macer: can you find full eps? Jun 09 06:47:32 heh i got like 2 left Jun 09 06:47:37 of to catch a predator? Jun 09 06:47:38 maybe Jun 09 06:47:48 i got 2 left of that playlist you sent ages ago Jun 09 06:49:25 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZZIZ_Xg4Ic&NR=1 Jun 09 06:49:30 that one is pretty good Jun 09 06:49:47 thats not even the show ;p Jun 09 06:50:32 the dude starting crying and shit haha Jun 09 06:53:48 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IC9RaLVlEyo&NR=1 Jun 09 06:53:52 hahahahah Jun 09 06:53:56 that is a good one too Jun 09 06:55:19 oh snap im not done lol Jun 09 06:58:01 http://www.metacafe.com/watch/1517809/police_chase_bait_car_thief_on_live_tv/ Jun 09 06:58:06 that dude made it out of the car haha Jun 09 06:58:33 trying to outrun a helicopter in a golf course Jun 09 06:58:52 lol Jun 09 06:59:01 AND STEALS A GOLF KART!! HAHAHAHA!! Jun 09 06:59:11 hah Jun 09 06:59:17 i think i know your favourite tv shows :D Jun 09 06:59:27 omg! this one is so damn funny hahaha Jun 09 06:59:39 the news reporters are trying to stop from laughin Jun 09 06:59:48 one said "HIGH SPEED PURSUIT!" hahaha Jun 09 07:02:55 Macer: lol Jun 09 07:03:02 you saw it? Jun 09 07:03:07 when he took the golf kart kinda ting? Jun 09 07:03:07 no Jun 09 07:03:08 thing? Jun 09 07:03:11 i should be asleep ;p Jun 09 07:03:16 just chatting a bit Jun 09 07:03:27 holy shit it's so damn funny Jun 09 07:29:44 "Additionally, the nightlight is there for a reason. Individuals who do not use it because of misguided ideas of maturity or machismo get what they deserve. Survivors will be disciplined." Jun 09 07:33:23 RST38h: wtf? Jun 09 07:36:11 luke: http://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-573-j (The Grue) Jun 09 07:50:00 does anyone know if i could somehow change the aspect of the video i am streaming from internet in mplayer? Jun 09 07:50:28 use a command line option? Jun 09 07:52:28 can you tell me details?:p Jun 09 07:53:11 man mplayer Jun 09 07:53:12 ;) Jun 09 07:55:13 man mplayer ain't working on n810 :p Jun 09 07:55:17 hello Jun 09 07:55:33 I'm trying to build the usbserial kernel module for my nokai n800 Jun 09 07:55:53 but when I insmod it, I get "Invalid module format (-1): Exec format error" Jun 09 07:56:06 so I guess I'm using the wrong toolchain or something Jun 09 07:56:16 could anyone tell me how to find ou which one I need? Jun 09 08:03:35 ifvoid: you might have to do another one first Jun 09 08:04:17 no, it doesn't depend on anything Jun 09 08:09:55 timeless_mbp: ended up sleeping in paddington library or found your way? :> Jun 09 08:10:25 my host found me :) Jun 09 08:11:01 * timeless_mbp is in a week long meeting now :) Jun 09 08:15:46 Morning, all Jun 09 08:16:20 Morning Jun 09 08:16:23 morn jaffa Jun 09 08:20:49 moo X-Fade, Sts Jun 09 08:26:34 Morning Jun 09 08:36:51 timeless_mbp: were you confusing "Nokia Maps" (S60) with navicore "Map" (N8x0) earlier? :) Jun 09 08:37:32 no Jun 09 08:37:36 i was using my n81 Jun 09 08:38:13 is there some special magic necessary for espeak? Jun 09 08:38:54 it "works" except for the lack of sound Jun 09 08:40:52 ew, nearing 4am... guess I'll find out 'tomorrow' Jun 09 08:48:42 nexenta just pissed me off Jun 09 08:48:50 i think it's time to get rid of it and use opensolaris Jun 09 08:49:38 Macer: Just use FreeBSD Jun 09 08:49:46 just use plan9 Jun 09 08:50:25 Plan9 is kinda dated Jun 09 08:50:34 Unless there have been recent developments Jun 09 08:51:44 If by "recent" you mean 2002. Jun 09 08:51:56 no that is not recent Jun 09 08:52:10 I mean, it's pretty recent on a geologic time scale. Jun 09 08:53:59 Well, next time I need to drill something, I will drill Plan9 =) Jun 09 09:05:14 * RST38h checks out Plan9 homepage and notices how eerily similar the artwork is to the one adopted by Symbian Foundation Jun 09 09:06:10 heh Jun 09 09:22:10 anyone have a clue where to find b-man's maemobox.org pkgs? Jun 09 09:46:40 is there any european distributor for beagleboard? Jun 09 09:46:58 digikey itself? Jun 09 09:47:10 click the flags Jun 09 09:47:23 I thought it was in USA only, II'll look Jun 09 11:32:36 Anybody uses locales in scratchbox? I can't get locales to work; setting LANG to anything but C will make svn (for example) barf that it can't set locale Jun 09 11:32:52 on device everything works fine Jun 09 11:33:11 svn barfs like this: Jun 09 11:33:11 svn: warning: cannot set LC_CTYPE locale Jun 09 11:33:11 svn: warning: environment variable LANG is ru_RU Jun 09 11:33:11 svn: warning: please check that your locale name is correct Jun 09 11:34:24 heya world) Jun 09 11:35:19 heya wazd Jun 09 11:57:41 * StsN810_ wonders on ambient light sensor gestures Jun 09 11:58:15 or something with front facing camera Jun 09 12:01:38 StsN810_: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DikbVmYLR0&feature=player_embedded Something like that ;) Jun 09 12:08:28 cool, dynrec increases arena from 40fpm to 55fpm Jun 09 12:09:13 pupnik: Hmm fpm doesn't sound that hot? :) Jun 09 12:09:22 now just need a 4ghz tablet :) Jun 09 12:10:00 im testing cpu-bound games Jun 09 12:10:33 so 10%-20% boost in the core is a very nice achievment Jun 09 12:21:01 seems i'm wasting half of my day understanding nokia's processes once again. sigh Jun 09 12:21:50 only you decide the best use of your time Jun 09 12:24:20 pupnik, right. but if you want some bugs to get fixed and developers argument about processes that you don't know of... :-P Jun 09 12:24:37 heh Jun 09 12:24:39 sorry Jun 09 12:25:34 no sorry needed :-D Jun 09 12:55:39 Hi lbt Jun 09 13:12:14 Anybody else find it sad Nokia couldn't manage to beat Apple to the punch? Jun 09 13:12:51 I'm getting this sinking feeling that it's all going to be one big "Me too!" by the time the damn thing is out the door. Jun 09 13:13:08 I think it would be a bad move to announce anything at the same time as Pre and Iphone 3 show up ;) Jun 09 13:14:47 GAN800: It'll be the s/w which is the let down again, I think Jun 09 13:15:29 i think business users will prefer a real keyboard Jun 09 13:15:45 (blackberry) Jun 09 13:21:17 GAN800: except nokia devices are more usefulness than candy.. Jun 09 13:23:37 Stskeeps: 40 million devices is a large pool to compete against (and Maemo seems to be moving in the direction of a direct iPhone competitor) [I think it always was, at least, an iPod Touch competitor - despite the protestations of some on ITT) Jun 09 13:23:59 hehe Jun 09 13:24:12 * Stskeeps thinks the future is bright from his POV, but that's how it is :) Jun 09 13:24:20 :) Jun 09 13:29:29 Jaffa, GAN800: So, do you guys think it is time for a Sprint meeting already? :) Jun 09 13:29:45 I'd love a lightweight open linux (almost fully programmable) touchscreen phone, not tied to any vendor. Something that you could pull out at a party and not be called a geek. :-) Jun 09 13:29:59 rmt: like a n900, eh, if it's a phone? :P Jun 09 13:30:09 not tied to any phone company, you mean? :P Jun 09 13:30:21 er, yes. :) Jun 09 13:30:28 n900 I suspect will still be too bulky Jun 09 13:30:31 nah Jun 09 13:30:40 It will be a cool geek toy, but it won't be a lightweight phone. :-P Jun 09 13:30:48 if it's anything like the developer devices, it's really not. :P Jun 09 13:31:03 ie. you won't see many women wandering around with them. Jun 09 13:31:23 if women can stand wandering around with iphones with broken glass, then they can stand a sturdy tablet.. Jun 09 13:31:27 :P Jun 09 13:31:51 rmt: i think it'll be about the same size as an 97, which really isn't bulky Jun 09 13:31:53 Broken glass in an iPhone! Fashion alert! Jun 09 13:32:13 X-Fade: If the process is going to change, I want it to change first ;-p Jun 09 13:32:31 Jaffa: And meanwhile let it drag on? :) Jun 09 13:33:06 is there anything the iphone does right that nokia/maemo should adopt? Jun 09 13:33:24 pupnik: high sales volume? Jun 09 13:34:24 maybe drop menus for a collection of colorful icons Jun 09 13:34:27 ? Jun 09 13:35:03 it's like selling candy to kids, till- Jun 09 13:35:05 timeless, Jun 09 13:35:18 ooo, shiny! Jun 09 13:35:55 X-Fade: If you think the current process is fine, please say so. Jun 09 13:36:41 So - any gender demographics on the N97? Jun 09 13:37:03 Jaffa: I'm showing all green, so I don't have a problem with it atm ;) Jun 09 13:37:50 rmt: it comes in black and white Jun 09 13:37:53 X-Fade: What about Quim's suggestion about a tmo thread per task? Jun 09 13:38:16 Jaffa: Sure, what ever.. Jun 09 13:38:36 Jaffa: I don't really care where people discuss their task. Jun 09 13:39:17 Jaffa: It's more the point that reasonable tasks need to be planned and followed up on. Jun 09 13:40:02 If that is done through talk, mailinglist or wiki page is a minor detail. Jun 09 13:40:32 Well, given that lots of people haven't been doing it; it suggests it's sufficiently disenfranchising that it's *not* a minor detail. Jun 09 13:40:40 you should use some kind of automated sprint system really :P Jun 09 13:40:42 The council can even blog about which tasks are planned for that month to announce it to the world. Jun 09 13:40:51 that integrates nicely to wiki and such Jun 09 13:41:06 Stskeeps: any suggestions? ;-) Jun 09 13:41:59 Jaffa: i made a sprint system in 300 lines python, i'm sure you can come up with some way. Jun 09 13:42:02 :P Jun 09 13:42:05 took half a day Jun 09 13:42:16 works wonders Jun 09 13:42:16 :P Jun 09 13:43:20 At the moment, there are two big problems: 1) technical - tracking what's in a sprint, progress etc.; 2) procedural - how stuff gets in to the sprint, how people are adaptive Jun 09 13:43:47 3) follow up on progress during the sprint Jun 09 13:44:14 But most of all, we need to specify small concrete tasks. Jun 09 13:45:13 mmm Jun 09 13:45:33 Anyone with good crypto knowledge here? Jun 09 13:46:16 X-Fade: http://guest:guest@trac.tspre.org:9010/ if you want some inspiration (principle is simple: grab a task from backlog, or, if you're a mentor, push a task to backlog. when you take a task, you have 3 days initially to do it, working in a mentor-mentee relationship, you can then on a task extend time period with 2 days (if it expires, it marks it as red), edit notes/progress on the task, complete the task, or give up, sending task + notes + Jun 09 13:47:08 it shows overview of active tasks and how it's going and such as well, and who's doing them :P Jun 09 13:47:16 I hope n900 shows up pretty soon. I think i might go with n97 if it doesnt. Jun 09 13:48:11 Stskeeps: yeah, it is like bugtracking but then for sprints. Jun 09 13:48:18 *nod* Jun 09 13:48:26 bugtracking is just too heavy for small tasks imho though Jun 09 13:48:30 rmt: probably makes sense to just ask your question, if people seem competent to answer they will Jun 09 13:48:33 you need to be able to add them quickly to keep up the churn Jun 09 13:48:34 :P Jun 09 13:48:43 Robot101, Indeed.. Jun 09 13:48:44 Stskeeps: True. Jun 09 13:49:48 I have a simple authenticated string implementation at http://dpaste.de/TgdW/ .. if anybody has a good foundation in cryptography, I'd appreciate it if you told me if I have done anything fundamentally wrong. Jun 09 13:53:23 Stskeeps: But indeed that looks pretty good already. Jun 09 13:53:33 Stskeeps: Would be nice if that was a mediawiki plugin ;) Jun 09 13:53:42 X-Fade: hehe. it's -really- easy to code. workflow is bloody simple :P Jun 09 14:06:12 Jaffa, I think refocusing the meetings will help a lot. Jun 09 14:06:43 We should probably drop review from most of the language. Jun 09 14:53:30 http://opensolaris.org/os/project/osarm/ Jun 09 14:53:32 fuck yes Jun 09 14:54:05 OMG. Jun 09 14:54:16 * Stskeeps wants sheevaplug + opensolaris Jun 09 14:54:53 * Jaffa isn't sure if this is fantastic, or the worst idea ever to come out of Sun Jun 09 14:55:01 And they've had some pretty bad projects ;-) Jun 09 14:55:08 i just want it for ZFS and iscsi support, honestly Jun 09 14:55:11 and low powered servers Jun 09 14:55:18 low power usage, that is Jun 09 15:28:09 lbt: Ping? Jun 09 15:36:48 having built-in hsdpa would be sweet Jun 09 15:37:06 germany is a wlan desert Jun 09 15:37:51 and a 3g-flat desert too Jun 09 15:40:07 pupnik, if you're not in a bigger town: yeah :-/ Jun 09 15:40:57 hmm Jun 09 15:41:44 scandinavia is nice, a lot of open wlans Jun 09 15:41:44 i do need an external stick mounted on the house to get hsdpa here, so n900 wouldnt help me Jun 09 15:42:01 mhm, netherlands too Jun 09 15:42:23 and even if secured, the waiter always brought me their key Jun 09 15:42:30 try thst in germany Jun 09 15:43:07 just look for a "NETGEAR" or "ZyXEL" essid :) Jun 09 15:43:22 oh well... in some laid-back cafes in germany it's not an issue to get the key :) Jun 09 15:43:23 why? Jun 09 15:43:32 yes andre__ true Jun 09 15:44:09 "default" and "dlink" are also great Jun 09 15:44:17 ahh Jun 09 15:44:29 ...because if default ESSIDs have not been changed it's also likely that default passwords have not been changed Jun 09 15:44:48 most of them aren't even encrypted Jun 09 15:45:16 if i had a home in the middle of town, id have an open net with huge antenna Jun 09 15:45:48 out of principle Jun 09 15:46:41 maybe proxy http and randomly swap images Jun 09 15:47:05 or run text through the "kraut" or "jive" filters Jun 09 15:47:37 not always, just randomly and rarely :) Jun 09 16:11:44 you can't define random as rare because it is random Jun 09 16:38:23 * GAN800 sighs. Jun 09 16:41:00 hola Jun 09 16:43:09 microsoft sometimes smells funny Jun 09 16:43:10 "You've reached the daily limit for creating Windows Live IDs." Jun 09 16:43:11 yeah, sure Jun 09 16:43:16 heh Jun 09 16:44:56 and they lie. even worse. :-P Jun 09 17:32:46 * b-man16 !!!!!!!!!!HATES!!!!!!!!!!! modest Jun 09 17:32:53 Damnit Nokia, ship me my phone plz Jun 09 17:33:04 ssh+mutt FTW Jun 09 17:33:45 b-man16: claws++ Jun 09 17:35:52 i don't even use modest, yet it starts itself up and spikes my ram+cpu when i'm browsing on the web Jun 09 18:03:19 why are there two off support projects... hrm Jun 09 18:03:22 *ogg Jun 09 18:08:23 DSP and ARM? Jun 09 18:10:10 mogg doesn't seem installable on diablo Jun 09 18:21:14 moo all Jun 09 18:21:21 how are things in the maemo land? Jun 09 18:21:33 there's opensolaris for arm released ;p Jun 09 18:22:10 * RST38h chokes on a cookie Jun 09 18:23:31 But...WHY? Jun 09 18:25:01 wait, what??????? Jun 09 18:26:26 Stskeeps: aw, crap Jun 09 18:26:27 RST38h: imagine zfs on a low power usage sheevaplug :) Jun 09 18:26:31 Stskeeps: you've got b-man16 working on a port now Jun 09 18:27:07 lol Jun 09 18:28:23 "b-man16: everything must run on NITs!" Jun 09 18:29:37 ASUS: "Our goal is to provide products that are better than Apple's" Jun 09 18:29:47 No chance guys :) Jun 09 18:30:01 rofl@luke-jr Jun 09 18:30:22 RST38h: Apple sucks Jun 09 18:32:08 so, what sucks more: an iBook or an underpowered Windows PC made of cheapest available parts? Jun 09 18:32:28 at least the Windows PC can be repaired Jun 09 18:32:38 not really Jun 09 18:32:45 * RST38h looks at his ASUS Digimatrix Jun 09 18:32:49 anyhow, compare iBook with a decently made laptop Jun 09 18:32:52 be fair ☺ Jun 09 18:33:03 We are talking ASUS vs Apple here Jun 09 18:33:08 RST38h: Apple laptops, you can't even replace the hard drive without taking everything apart Jun 09 18:33:31 luke: In how many small laptops can you replace HD without taking laptop apart? Jun 09 18:34:07 now, in how many ASUS laptops can you do that? Jun 09 18:34:27 I know nothing of Asus Jun 09 18:34:41 then what are you trying to argue? Jun 09 18:34:50 that Apple sucks Jun 09 18:36:03 and somebody said the opposite? Jun 09 18:36:22 RST38h: you implicitly argued it Jun 09 18:36:38 via poor logic, admittedly Jun 09 18:36:44 as if Asus sucking somehow meant Apple didn't Jun 09 18:36:52 * RST38h does not state things implicitely in public forums, as a matter of principle Jun 09 18:37:16 So, whatever you are implying exists solely in your head =) Jun 09 18:41:28 RST38h: you just took 24 seconds to explicitly state what you first implied with your action Jun 09 18:59:59 hi, i can help to dist-upgrade in my OS2008. Jun 09 19:00:04 dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/diff_2.8.1-12_armel.deb (--unpack): Jun 09 19:00:05 trying to overwrite `/usr/bin/cmp', which is also in package busybox Jun 09 19:00:11 :( Jun 09 19:04:09 hi Jun 09 19:05:49 i can't find the (only) directories that ican see in the filemanager. where are those? Jun 09 19:07:53 KayDeeEeJon, /home/user/ ? Jun 09 19:08:04 no Jun 09 19:08:07 not there Jun 09 19:10:09 ls -a /home/user/MyDocs Jun 09 19:10:19 They are (for some reason) hidden directories Jun 09 19:11:47 fifeboy, i18n Jun 09 19:12:17 GAN, ah! Jun 09 19:12:48 ok thx fiferboy, they are indeed in there hidden Jun 09 19:20:36 uzzed, exact command? what about forcing (if you know what to do)? Jun 09 19:23:49 andre__, # apt-get dist-upgrade Jun 09 19:25:10 uzzed, and why do you run that? Jun 09 19:26:06 andre__, i can install hildon library to compile C++ programs, diretc in n800 Jun 09 19:26:43 andre__, more my install to OS2008 bug Jun 09 19:27:35 a hackish way might be to remove/rename /usr/bin/cmp maybe? but i assume you will run into more issues... Jun 09 19:29:54 andre__, I already tried to do this :( Jun 09 19:30:06 and? Jun 09 19:30:15 direct in n800? Jun 09 19:30:18 andre__, no effect Jun 09 19:30:22 about as insane as lcuk, eh: Jun 09 19:30:24 :P Jun 09 19:30:36 Stskeeps, yes :P Jun 09 19:30:47 heh Stskeeps nahhh Jun 09 19:30:54 im not mad enough to do c++ Jun 09 19:30:59 i tried it and its too slow ;) Jun 09 19:31:57 Just wait until lcku gets an N900 Jun 09 19:32:02 install SDKs to developing C++ is very annoying Jun 09 19:32:07 Then we're all done for. Jun 09 19:32:20 nahhh Jun 09 19:32:48 by the time i get an n900 i hope libliqbase will be in extras-devel (but theres no guarantee) and it can be wrapped with python then Jun 09 19:33:08 * lcuk might have an n90000000 tho before it gets into the repository Jun 09 19:39:03 god.. i fell asleep listening to an audiobook on the n810 Jun 09 19:39:11 good? :P Jun 09 19:39:50 then i had a hyperreal dream about having a meeting with my dad, and not being able to shut the damn lecture off Jun 09 19:40:02 tried killall Jun 09 19:40:08 http://b-man.psykosis.net/projects/flash/Pixlr.swf :) Jun 09 19:40:10 removing battery Jun 09 19:40:11 is your n810 still intact? Jun 09 19:40:34 not in the dream Jun 09 19:40:55 it was a nightmare - got really strange Jun 09 19:41:26 found 4 AA batteries in the n810 soldered together by hand Jun 09 19:46:36 Once the victim has been completely enfolded, thousands of hair-like protrusions extend from the surface of the carpet and dig into the victims skin, quickly draining him of blood over the next ? minutes. Jun 09 19:52:20 lcuk: ping Jun 09 19:52:32 keesj, pong Jun 09 19:52:45 ~ping Jun 09 19:52:46 ~pong Jun 09 19:52:49 lol Jun 09 19:53:11 how's the packaging and can I help Jun 09 19:53:19 keesj, :) thank you for starting that, im sorry it turned into an epic (and still not done) but: Jun 09 19:53:20 [2009-06-09 22:49:07] liqbase-playground 0.3.3 has been queued for loading into fremantle extras-devel repository Jun 09 19:53:21 do you have the url handy you sent yserday? Jun 09 19:53:26 that was <5mins ago Jun 09 19:53:51 the lib and the playground are together Jun 09 19:54:03 now all i need is an n900, or im starting all over again for diablo Jun 09 19:54:05 ;) Jun 09 19:56:05 what I can help with, where to I get code? Jun 09 19:56:33 apt-get source from the builder Jun 09 19:56:43 i havent put it back onto any git or anything just yet Jun 09 19:56:54 * lcuk2 has been stressed :( Jun 09 19:57:06 unless you wanna use your repo for it from now on Jun 09 19:57:09 * lcuk2 doesnt mind Jun 09 19:57:45 I can fix the liqbase packaging (splitting) in my repo if that helps you Jun 09 19:57:52 i need to see if it works now! Jun 09 19:57:57 its split now Jun 09 19:57:58 perfectly Jun 09 19:58:05 lol Jun 09 19:58:22 so ask the other lcuk if he wants my help or not Jun 09 19:58:22 the liqbase-playground even has prefere3nces and ability to store stuff in ~ Jun 09 19:58:26 instead of dodgy locations Jun 09 19:58:43 this lcuk2 is on drugs or something Jun 09 19:58:47 how do we kick him so i can login Jun 09 19:59:09 heh keesj im just up2 eyeballs with packaging and want to forget all about it now it works Jun 09 20:00:13 * lcuk waves @ keesj Jun 09 20:00:15 no drugs Jun 09 20:01:23 ok /me goes back in idle mode Jun 09 20:10:43 Quick sanity check question (come up with the vala mud-builder package) and dpkg-builddeps' auto-detection. Jun 09 20:11:01 Does it make sense - in the context of the Maemo auto-builder - to have a package build-depend on itself ever? Jun 09 20:11:12 yes, glib does that indirectly :P Jun 09 20:11:44 Stskeeps: I mean a) directly and b) a package for the auto-builder; glib won't get built by the auto-builder ;-) Jun 09 20:12:27 For example, when the fremantle SDK was released, jeremiah & X-Fade bootstrapped its extras-devel with diablo packages. Any such package wouldn't build in that circumstance, even if it had built in diablo (earlier version uploaded which it doesn't depend on) Jun 09 20:15:32 why is the s60 python the project with the most downloads on garage.maemor.org Jun 09 20:16:34 Even worse windows vista theme as number 3 https://garage.maemo.org/ Jun 09 20:16:39 um, does anyone know when fsck spits out numbers without any caption? Jun 09 20:16:50 keesj, pyS60 have a big community :) Jun 09 20:17:37 keesj: I guess installs from extras are not in those stats Jun 09 20:26:21 Jaffa: if package depends on itself it won't build with autobuilder? Jun 09 20:27:29 btw fremantle extras-devel wasn't bootstrapped with diablo packages. Only most of the lib* packages were put there through autobuilder Jun 09 20:34:52 so how does sound work on the N810? espeak 'something' doesn't produce output... /dev/snd/ only contains control0 and there is no /dev/dsp (but lots of /dev/dsptaskXX which I don't know what they do) Jun 09 20:35:04 esound Jun 09 20:35:09 "espeak 'something' | mplayer -" does work, though Jun 09 20:35:32 I saw esd running... how can I make a program use it? Jun 09 20:36:00 and actually... what devices is esound using? Jun 09 20:36:19 boxar uses it Jun 09 20:36:30 CutMeOwnThroat: it talks with DSP protocol to the PCM dsp task Jun 09 20:37:32 dsp_dld ? Jun 09 20:38:06 that's just a loader Jun 09 20:38:38 CutMeOwnThroat: my /dev/snd only contains 'timer' Jun 09 20:39:09 CutMeOwnThroat: ALSA doesn't really use /dev stuff Jun 09 20:41:37 CutMeOwnThroat: but then, my sound isn't working atm Jun 09 20:41:42 heh :) Jun 09 20:41:45 what else does it use Jun 09 20:41:57 there are two [dsp/0] kernel tasks Jun 09 20:42:35 there, fixed Jun 09 20:42:37 noriko ~ # ls /dev/snd/ Jun 09 20:42:39 controlC0 pcmC0D0c pcmC0D0p timer Jun 09 20:42:40 noriko ~ # ls /dev/dsp -lh Jun 09 20:42:42 crw-rw---- 1 root audio 14, 3 Jun 9 15:42 /dev/dsp Jun 09 20:43:03 that's not maemo, though? Jun 09 20:43:35 of course not Jun 09 20:44:30 "of course"? Jun 09 20:44:36 * CutMeOwnThroat points at channel name Jun 09 20:46:58 CutMeOwnThroat: Maemo 4 isn't maintained Jun 09 20:47:03 Maemo 5 doesn't support N8x0 Jun 09 20:47:19 so, why anyone runs Maemo is beyond me Jun 09 20:47:40 it's what they sell the N8x0 with? Jun 09 20:47:49 CutMeOwnThroat: mer is maintained :) Jun 09 20:47:53 CutMeOwnThroat: Maemo 4 Jun 09 20:48:11 CutMeOwnThroat: i just tested it lately on my phone Jun 09 20:48:28 omfg, what? Jun 09 20:48:32 I mean... that's a reason :) Jun 09 20:48:34 DSL is a better deal than Cable/ Jun 09 20:48:35 ? Jun 09 20:49:05 puppies are way better then kittens Jun 09 20:49:12 also, cake is better then pie Jun 09 20:49:14 luke-jr: http://digg.com/users/rzrfreefr MER on FR Jun 09 20:49:25 rzr: what is that? Jun 09 20:49:38 anyway, I'm not sure how long it would take//how much effort it would be//how much better/worse the outcome would be if I install something else right now Jun 09 20:49:49 CutMeOwnThroat: I dual boot Jun 09 20:49:52 luke-jr: where you asking me ? omfg, what? Jun 09 20:49:58 rzr: no Jun 09 20:50:01 ok sorry Jun 09 20:50:16 I was in shock of DSL being worth considering Jun 09 20:50:41 luke-jr, hm, that's a good idea... still I'm not sure I want to invest a lot of time... but it's true, there's a lot of space on that external memory card Jun 09 20:51:17 CutMeOwnThroat: realistically, Gentoo requires 8 GB SD Jun 09 20:53:57 ew Jun 09 20:54:20 anyway, I surely don't want to have that little thing compile a distro for a month Jun 09 20:55:22 more like a week Jun 09 20:55:47 Hey guys... does all programming for the N810 require the scratchbox? C? C++? Python? etc? Jun 09 20:55:57 MindMusic: no Jun 09 20:56:37 how do I get around it? Jun 09 20:56:41 just write a normal program and it should work on the N810 just fine Jun 09 20:56:50 Im trying to write some python applications on the device is there any way I could read write files without having to scp every time? Jun 09 20:56:53 nothing special needed, just sane coding practices Jun 09 20:57:07 kkrusty: fish kio Jun 09 20:57:16 luke-jr, define "normal program" please. if no UI, you're right ;-) Jun 09 20:57:26 andre__: my UI is KDE 4 ;) Jun 09 20:57:42 mikkov_: If the current version of the package depends on itself, how did the chicken lay the egg? Jun 09 20:57:54 luke-jr: is that a package name? Jun 09 20:58:07 kkrusty: no, it's included with KDE Jun 09 20:58:19 * kkrusty has gnome Jun 09 20:58:22 :( Jun 09 20:58:29 GNOME sucks Jun 09 20:58:45 kkrusty: could always use sshfs Jun 09 20:59:04 Hmmm... I don't have a boatload of linux development experience... seems like a pain... Jun 09 20:59:26 No, Linux sucks. And computers! Jun 09 20:59:27 MindMusic: a pain to write a program? Jun 09 20:59:56 andre__: Linux is only of the few programs that actually doesn't suck much Jun 09 21:00:02 boo! Jun 09 21:00:18 andre__: Computers *definitely* suck. Yesterday & today (getting back to my laptop after a week), has been 'orrible Jun 09 21:00:27 evening MoonTiger Jun 09 21:00:33 :) Jaffa Jun 09 21:00:34 evening :) Jun 09 21:00:39 * lcuk hates them too Jun 09 21:00:43 hiya MoonTiger \o Jun 09 21:00:49 Stskeeps, is there a version of mer i can run yet? Jun 09 21:00:54 hey lcuk :) Jun 09 21:01:23 MoonTiger: define run ;) Jun 09 21:01:34 hahaha ok thats all i needed to know :) Jun 09 21:01:46 MoonTiger: some people run it day to day Jun 09 21:01:46 when d'ya think it might be? Jun 09 21:01:48 mer_install.exe something you can run from vista :D Jun 09 21:02:00 * MoonTiger slaps lcuk Jun 09 21:02:04 * lcuk likes it Jun 09 21:02:08 doh! Jun 09 21:02:13 * lcuk offers you a Windows 7 patch Jun 09 21:02:15 lcuk: fail Jun 09 21:02:29 * MoonTiger runs and programs linux thnx very much Jun 09 21:02:32 i win actually now Jun 09 21:02:41 ...and Stskeeps could finally finance his studies by including some malware in the mer_install.exe Jun 09 21:02:42 although this .NET project ive been doing is killing me Jun 09 21:02:43 :( Jun 09 21:02:50 lcuk: cant' win if you use Windows Jun 09 21:03:23 Stskeeps, is there any non-rocket science programming i could do to help? Jun 09 21:03:30 :) luke-jr actually you can, linux has a lot to learn from windows Jun 09 21:03:38 MoonTiger: plenty, http://guest:guest@trac.tspre.org:9010 , glance at backlog Jun 09 21:03:49 lcuk: Linux is superior to Windows in every way Jun 09 21:04:04 never said it wasnt - but linux is lacking in many respects Jun 09 21:04:09 nope Jun 09 21:04:17 and that was self-contradictatory Jun 09 21:04:43 i can have a super car that does 300mph which is better than a volvo Jun 09 21:04:55 but the supercar can still learn valuable lessons from the volvo Jun 09 21:04:56 MoonTiger: you can also try out the VMDK and you'll definately see areas of improvement.. if you're a gtk wiz, that helps too :P Jun 09 21:05:43 Stskeeps, im ok -ish with gtk ... learning ... and willing to try to help but dont want to promise anything i cant deliver Jun 09 21:05:48 *nod* Jun 09 21:06:04 lcuk: Windows has no purpose Jun 09 21:06:06 we just say initially 3 days timeboxing for a task, with possibility of extending 2 days at per click :) Jun 09 21:06:07 ... Jun 09 21:06:15 MoonTiger: GTK is fail too Jun 09 21:06:18 so you take things in your own temper Jun 09 21:06:19 MoonTiger: learn Qt4 Jun 09 21:06:26 MoonTiger: feel free to hang in #mer too if you're bored :) Jun 09 21:06:26 luke-jr :) Jun 09 21:06:35 (we're quite a few peeps by now) Jun 09 21:06:38 luke-jr, gtk is ok ... its the supported toolkit for maemo right now Jun 09 21:06:51 MoonTiger: I refuse to run anything GTK Jun 09 21:07:00 or gconf, for that sake Jun 09 21:07:04 MoonTiger: even Maemo is moving to Qt Jun 09 21:07:05 luke-jr, all toolkits have fails in certain areas Jun 09 21:07:06 luke-jr's like a open source monk Jun 09 21:07:07 :P Jun 09 21:07:23 MoonTiger: GTK has no benefits over Qt Jun 09 21:07:41 luke-jr, i didnt say it has ... i just said none of them are perfect or even close Jun 09 21:07:59 yes it does: C Jun 09 21:08:01 MoonTiger: my point is you should learn and use Qt ;) Jun 09 21:08:14 lcuk: Qt is backward compatible with C Jun 09 21:08:14 I think luke-jr is a troll Jun 09 21:08:22 luke-jr, i already do some simple qt stuff thnx and i like the toolkit Jun 09 21:08:47 "backward compatible with C"? Huh? Jun 09 21:08:56 nomis, i was wondering that too Jun 09 21:08:59 Proteous: he is, he should spend more time coding Jun 09 21:09:00 :P Jun 09 21:09:04 heh Jun 09 21:09:07 Stskeeps: I should. :þ Jun 09 21:09:10 i read that as coloring Jun 09 21:09:15 hes about that age Jun 09 21:09:19 rofl Jun 09 21:09:29 * luke-jr ponders lcuk's age Jun 09 21:09:42 dont ponder, its public knowledge :) Jun 09 21:10:06 my age happens to have just incremented today Jun 09 21:10:19 * Proteous bakes luke-jr a cake Jun 09 21:10:20 luke-jr: may you gain wisdom :) Jun 09 21:10:32 and chinfluff Jun 09 21:12:26 Stskeeps, is there a version i can run ...on a vm or something? Jun 09 21:12:42 MoonTiger: yup Jun 09 21:12:52 where would i find that? Jun 09 21:12:55 wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Releases/0.13 - it runs in VirtualBox, VMware, etc :) Jun 09 21:13:03 full x86 version Jun 09 21:14:07 so you can develop straight on your pc and when done, just send it to our builders and it'll sort out the ARM porting for you :P Jun 09 21:14:35 that sounds nice Jun 09 21:14:44 to play with and get a bit comfy with i mean Jun 09 21:14:55 much saner than maemo development, in my personal completely biased opinion Jun 09 21:14:56 :P Jun 09 21:15:04 hehe Jun 09 21:15:13 has anyone had luck with emacs+tramp for maemo? Jun 09 21:15:17 but yeah sounds quite nice Jun 09 21:15:28 lcuk might disagree Jun 09 21:15:38 * lcuk cant wait for apt-get liqbase-playground-dev to take off ;) Jun 09 21:15:50 MoonTiger: he can run dpkg-buildpackage on mer on n8x0, i doubt he'd complain Jun 09 21:15:50 on device gets easier :) Jun 09 21:15:50 kkrusty: to unusable on the keyboard imho Jun 09 21:16:29 Stskeeps, i can actually now lol Jun 09 21:16:39 locutus: Well Im using emacs+tramp on local machine and accessing files over ssh/rsync Jun 09 21:16:39 lcuk: insane man Jun 09 21:16:49 i removed the autotools stuff tho Jun 09 21:16:51 i dont need that Jun 09 21:17:07 locutus: it reads files but doesnt update them with rsync. ssh doesnt work at all Jun 09 21:17:17 lbt: ping? Jun 09 21:17:20 yeah Stskeeps its been a bit of a manic week :$ Jun 09 21:17:26 * lcuk has learnt a lot Jun 09 21:17:27 locutus: are you using emacs on the tablet? Jun 09 21:18:28 kkrusty: sometimes over ssh Jun 09 21:18:32 fiferboy_n810: hi Jun 09 21:18:32 kkrusty: i find it horrible to use Jun 09 21:18:52 hm, I can't see how to make espeak use esd Jun 09 21:19:13 locutus: thats brave. Jun 09 21:19:15 damn google translates espeak into espeaker Jun 09 21:19:35 kkrusty: i mostly use it over ssh to quickly read my email and such Jun 09 21:19:43 kkrusty: and sometimes i try to write replies Jun 09 21:20:10 I just want to be able to read write source files from my desktop Jun 09 21:20:20 locutus: n810? Jun 09 21:20:24 yes Jun 09 21:20:47 lbt: hey, did you test out the virtual func? Jun 09 21:20:53 with wimax? the original kind had a horrible keyboard Jun 09 21:21:14 the original one Jun 09 21:21:15 I'm doing it atm... Jun 09 21:22:03 Cool. How did your changes go? Jun 09 21:22:36 ugh... but got them done Jun 09 21:22:51 I wanted to work in pixels but just got lost Jun 09 21:23:21 my brain can't cope with all the transformations, sign changes and offsets Jun 09 21:23:48 :( lbt, they hurt my brain too lol Jun 09 21:23:57 but it now has a nice simple accelerate back to the edge Jun 09 21:24:16 I had an damped oscillation for a while Jun 09 21:24:22 but it was a bit OTT Jun 09 21:24:22 is there a limit to the amount of overrun Jun 09 21:24:27 heh Jun 09 21:24:30 heh, no Jun 09 21:24:42 beware then - make max 1 screen or something Jun 09 21:24:44 you can 'throw' the widget off screen Jun 09 21:24:53 An overrun limit might be good, maybe half a screen Jun 09 21:24:54 but it comes back Jun 09 21:24:58 otherwise you will have problems with those random misclick events Jun 09 21:25:39 lbt: I've got to go, but could you send me your changes? Jun 09 21:25:45 OK Jun 09 21:25:51 Thanks! Jun 09 21:26:20 is there a good streaming radio app with a list of radio stations? Jun 09 21:48:12 http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Documentation/Installation#N8x0_Install <- should that work properly on n810? Jun 09 21:58:23 Noma: uh, it IS called N8x0 install.. Jun 09 21:59:02 yes i know, so it should:) but i think they are fixing something now, i asked the same thing on #mer Jun 09 22:33:35 I've found sshfs to solve my problem Jun 09 22:33:41 thank you everyone for helping Jun 09 23:04:15 does anybody have diablo scratchbox setup Jun 09 23:15:44 not i Jun 09 23:16:09 why are you building for freemantle? Jun 09 23:16:15 is it released? Jun 09 23:16:30 cos thats the only scratchbox i have :$ and i cant install the other one cos im shit Jun 09 23:16:42 it fails and i dunno how to fix it Jun 09 23:16:51 no, i installed it on the laptop Jun 09 23:18:16 ah Jun 09 23:18:28 use vmdk? Jun 09 23:19:48 I'm just waiting for diable3 Jun 09 23:19:54 LOOKS SO COOL Jun 09 23:20:00 er, Diablo3 Jun 09 23:20:14 although diable is sorta a nifty word Jun 09 23:21:02 garr, I can't seem to get the application manager working. It is trying to use the disabled proxy, I've seen this problem before, but wasn't able to find a fix Jun 09 23:21:15 anybody else had this problem, n810, latest firmware Jun 09 23:34:47 My n800 recently went into an endless reboot cycle, forcing me to reflash it. Now I'm trying to track down the hack that lets you use the older version of osso-xterm-advanced, with the right side ctrl and other buttons, but can't find it anywhere. Does anyone know about this? Jun 09 23:37:51 right it seems I need to install gconf Jun 09 23:37:55 however I am not root Jun 09 23:38:08 and cant install anything to become root Jun 09 23:39:01 add maemo extras, then install becomeroot or gainroot or whatever root it is Jun 09 23:39:47 I cant install anything, because the application manager isn't working Jun 09 23:39:55 and I need root to get it working Jun 09 23:40:21 according to this: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2008-07-25.log.html gconf-editor is the thing I need Jun 09 23:40:45 how did you break it ? Jun 09 23:40:58 brand new Jun 09 23:41:04 flashed to latest Jun 09 23:41:17 restored apps after flash? Jun 09 23:41:31 nothing to do after flashing, I just got it today Jun 09 23:41:57 going to reflash now, just to make sure Jun 09 23:44:42 jophish, check you have proper connectivity Jun 09 23:44:47 cos that sounds really screwed Jun 09 23:45:12 internets working fine Jun 09 23:45:16 alboet slow Jun 09 23:45:22 albeit* Jun 09 23:46:31 mmm odd then, its not normal to have to do strange shit to app manager Jun 09 23:46:40 it is very strange Jun 09 23:47:06 oh reflashed and the manager is checking for updates Jun 09 23:47:59 taking a long time, so I suspect it's timing out looking at a 0.0.0.1 proxy Jun 09 23:49:54 keesj, better question, why is an S60 project eating our bandwidth? Jun 09 23:51:52 lcuk, it is this bug: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=998 Jun 09 23:59:14 I don't really understand why I have this problem, I'm using a standard wifi network Jun 10 00:01:44 lcuk, I looked at the /system/http_proxy settings in gconftool-2 and use_http_proxy is set to false! Jun 10 00:02:52 jophish, :S i dunno whether thats good or bad, its just something new to me to hear about people having this kind of problem Jun 10 00:08:45 i must praise nokia for N810 durability and reliability Jun 10 00:09:03 pupnik: why? Jun 10 00:09:08 i do manage to crash the system every few days though Jun 10 00:09:46 luke-jr, just happy with it. i guess as cell phones go, that is not unusual Jun 10 00:10:31 but .. we are talking, foot catching power cable and the thing flying onto tile/concrete Jun 10 00:11:22 hmm, tried with a different wireless network, same problem Jun 10 00:22:08 lcuk, would you mind testing for me? Jun 10 00:23:01 Does anyone know about the hack to get the old xterm with ctrl and other buttons on the right side on os2008? Jun 10 00:23:51 http://www.thisismobility.com/blog/2007/12/31/adding-pipe-and-tab-to-the-n810-keyboard/ Jun 10 00:23:54 yes, im busy Jun 10 00:26:20 lcuk, if that was for me, I'm talking about something else. Jun 10 00:27:09 * lcuk isnt on form tonight lol Jun 10 00:27:58 garr, I don't believe that this could be so complex Jun 10 00:28:20 refusing to use no proxy Jun 10 00:28:46 it uses a proxy fine, however when no proxy is set, application manager defaults to 1.0.0.0 Jun 10 00:29:11 There's a hack somewhere that breaks the os2008 feature upgrade in the app manager (making it show up as needing upgrading), but lets you install the older version of osso-xterm. Jun 10 00:30:13 I had it working before my tablet crashed, but can't seem to find it again Jun 10 00:34:54 ah, seems this isn't a proxy problem, but a dns problem Jun 10 00:36:54 Aha, found it again. http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/maemo/users/31212 Jun 10 00:55:21 lcuk, good news, I got it working by using opendns Jun 10 00:55:39 lcuk, http://b-man.psykosis.net/projects/ubuntu/gallery/ :) Jun 10 00:55:55 entirely re designed Jun 10 00:56:51 well, working for two repo's maemo.org and one nokia one are not working Jun 10 00:57:09 that is a fucked up ui, but i think most should work in liqbase lol Jun 10 00:57:28 cool joph Jun 10 00:57:40 * lcuk beds anyway Jun 10 00:58:01 goodnight Jun 10 00:58:26 lcuk, thanks :) Jun 10 00:58:32 \o gnite b-man16 jophish Jun 10 00:58:51 b-man16, its only 6 images being alpha blitted in certain places Jun 10 00:58:58 bacon did that in original liqbase ;) Jun 10 00:59:17 yeah, but it's still a bit of a concept Jun 10 00:59:19 ;) Jun 10 01:00:33 b-man16, would be cool if you could balance the images and tip them around based on the orientation of the tablet ;) Jun 10 01:00:47 * lcuk really beds tho Jun 10 01:01:27 yeah, if we had an accelerometer Jun 10 01:01:35 XD Jun 10 01:03:00 * b-man16 updates it to support links **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Jun 10 01:42:29 2009 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jun 10 01:42:49 2009 Jun 10 01:45:28 in browser, i try to hilight text, but it always pans Jun 10 01:45:38 what am i doing wrong? 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