**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Jun 27 02:59:56 2009 Jun 27 03:04:00 unlikely Jun 27 03:04:19 install a current OS? Jun 27 03:06:05 hmm? Jun 27 03:06:11 it has diablo Jun 27 03:06:41 Maemo/Diablo isn't maintained for N8x0 anymore Jun 27 03:07:30 is there something that IS maintained for n8x0? Jun 27 03:07:38 Mer and Gentoo Jun 27 03:07:43 maybe Ubuntu Jun 27 03:07:51 mer is nowhere near polished enough for my needs Jun 27 03:08:01 also, i think it boots slower :) Jun 27 03:08:06 as if Maemo was better? Jun 27 03:08:31 well, at least maemo has proper support for the hardware keyboard :P Jun 27 03:08:52 Mer doesn't? Jun 27 03:09:07 mer doesn't seem to hide the osk Jun 27 03:11:38 I tried tapping and still no joy? Jun 27 03:12:49 last i knew, mer had no osk Jun 27 03:13:21 if mer has no osk, it's useless for n800 users :D Jun 27 03:13:55 oh well :þ Jun 27 03:14:10 I tapped with the stylus. Jun 27 03:14:20 And with my finger. Jun 27 03:14:29 n6pfk, after hitting shift+space? Jun 27 03:14:47 Yes. Jun 27 03:15:00 does the typing mode bar disappear? Jun 27 03:16:15 yes Jun 27 03:16:26 ok, i'm not sure then Jun 27 03:16:28 it worked for me Jun 27 03:16:56 here did you tap on the screen? Jun 27 03:17:01 Where Jun 27 03:17:06 in the text area Jun 27 03:17:39 Oh well, just not working for me. Jun 27 03:17:52 Thanks for the attempt. Jun 27 03:18:06 * man_in_shack transfers n6pfk thanks to ShadowJK Jun 27 03:20:49 Settings had to be changed to enable the on screen keyboard. It works now, Tahnks. Jun 27 03:20:54 Thanks. Jun 27 03:21:11 lol Jun 27 03:21:22 so had you disabled osk completely? Jun 27 03:21:53 Without knowing it. Jun 27 03:21:59 * man_in_shack nods Jun 27 03:22:22 Happy, happy now! Jun 27 03:22:38 :) Jun 27 05:09:28 anyone here? Jun 27 05:43:35 no Jun 27 06:15:18 Morning, all Jun 27 06:17:05 morn Jun 27 06:25:22 moo all Jun 27 06:25:43 Hmm...Slashdotters are choosing a country to immigrate to (from UK) Jun 27 06:30:53 morning kozak Jun 27 06:32:59 Hi Stskeeps! Jun 27 06:33:01 long time Jun 27 06:33:28 indeed, how is it going? Jun 27 06:33:32 morning! hows mer Jun 27 06:33:40 it's okay, i think :P Jun 27 06:33:56 doing better ... but stuck with work :) Jun 27 06:34:46 working on the DSP bridge now :) ..... Jun 27 06:34:47 i just spent a week fighting with the SATA controller on a intel board, - board won :P Jun 27 06:34:54 coool Jun 27 06:34:56 (at work) Jun 27 06:35:01 yep :) Jun 27 06:35:13 we had to resort to booting from USB sticks, instead of compactflash on SATA.. Jun 27 06:35:46 works, but i hate those kind of hacks ;) Jun 27 06:37:41 hmmm yeah ... any idea on the Intel - nokia venture? Jun 27 06:38:09 intel's chips good enough for the mobile domain! Jun 27 06:38:35 only thing i read being interesting is the cooperation on a wide range of open source projects Jun 27 06:38:35 n810 would have like 15 minute battery life with an atom chip Jun 27 06:39:08 :D Jun 27 06:39:13 making sure that there's stable apis on key areas even between maemo and moblin can only be a good idea :P Jun 27 06:39:13 yeah Jun 27 06:39:51 yeah but moblin didnt take off.... better stick with maemo ... Jun 27 06:40:05 moblin will take off for netbooks Jun 27 06:40:16 and hopefully maemo for smaller devices Jun 27 06:40:22 there's different angles to it Jun 27 06:40:40 hmmm different utility as well Jun 27 06:41:24 yeah Jun 27 06:41:39 moblin just doesnt seem very nice ;/ Jun 27 06:41:53 also, i can't believe that moblin is in any way power saving :P Jun 27 06:42:20 yeah guess what would happen with atom +moblin :) Jun 27 07:20:55 > Jun 27 07:47:48 heya maemo, heat came back to Moscow) Jun 27 07:49:00 morning all Jun 27 08:07:13 heya wazd, aquatix Jun 27 08:07:43 'lo wazd Jun 27 08:07:53 or too late:P Jun 27 08:09:12 seems so :) Jun 27 08:10:32 * lcuk melts Jun 27 08:10:37 mornin \o Jun 27 08:19:12 hehe: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1194891/Pensioners-kidnap-financial-adviser-lost-2m-batter-Zimmer-frames.html?ref=patrick.net Jun 27 08:20:17 ‘It took them quite a while because they ran out of breath,’ said Mr Amburn, who was driven to the Bavarian lakeside home of one of the gang. :O Jun 27 08:21:04 Well, age does this to people. Can't say they were senile though =) Jun 27 08:21:20 anything but Jun 27 09:18:41 wb qwerty12_N810 Jun 27 09:18:57 Thank you Jun 27 09:19:53 so are you on summer holidays yet? Jun 27 09:20:16 * lcuk wishes he was a kid again Jun 27 09:20:22 mornin qwerty12_N810 Jun 27 09:20:41 qwerty12_N810, this is almost your last year of holidays and lazing around aint it Jun 27 09:20:44 Yep, although I've been given homework by the college I wish to get into :O Jun 27 09:20:49 lcuk: morning Jun 27 09:20:55 I guess so :P Jun 27 09:20:56 haha poor u Jun 27 09:20:56 qwerty12_N810: tear is now 'succeeded' btw :) Jun 27 09:21:14 cool Jun 27 09:21:57 and claws-mail too, so including tear & claws-mail - thanks! Jun 27 11:10:22 * RST38h yawns Jun 27 11:42:15 * lcuk stuffs a lemon in RST38h's mouth Jun 27 11:43:25 * RST38h swallows lemon without any adverse effects Jun 27 11:43:29 :O Jun 27 11:43:35 you need your own scp thingy Jun 27 11:43:50 Like, myself? Jun 27 11:43:51 Hmm Jun 27 11:44:04 * RST38h needs to make VMS boot. Jun 27 11:44:28 heh im playing with php and libcurl :) Jun 27 11:44:56 since i dont want to polute t.m.o yet lol Jun 27 11:45:13 RST38h: easy peasy Jun 27 11:45:49 lcuk: how are these two related? =) Jun 27 11:46:08 * RST38h now suspects lcuk in adding web brwser to liqbase =) Jun 27 11:46:15 i did that a while back Jun 27 11:46:30 im adding upload capabilities to sketches Jun 27 11:46:38 its been able to auto download stuff for yonks Jun 27 11:46:40 ;) Jun 27 11:46:57 as easy as setting an image filename to a http: source, but thats not what im doing Jun 27 11:47:00 i want a sketching forum Jun 27 11:47:21 which would also dupe up as auto backup for me Jun 27 11:49:17 RST38h, strange thing, the silly little html parser that i was playing with - it managed to read simple html quite well Jun 27 11:49:45 but then blew chunks with anything normal Jun 27 11:50:11 lcuk: Myy suggestion is to stay away from html parsing and rendering Jun 27 11:50:21 lcuk: Just use ready made engine like Webkit Jun 27 11:50:33 webkit renders to an RGB image surface :) Jun 27 11:50:41 impractical to bring in Jun 27 11:50:46 i investigated it a long time ago Jun 27 11:51:06 liq* excels when it uses the internal cell/tile model Jun 27 11:51:22 so if html can be supplied in that it would work as fast as the rest of my stuff :) Jun 27 11:51:40 simple html is something the nokia web runtime wants to achieve as well.. Jun 27 11:51:56 so a simple parser and a simple engine would go well together one day i bet :) Jun 27 11:52:36 but you are right, ive got many other things to do first Jun 27 11:52:50 principle is making sure my stuff isnt lost anymore Jun 27 11:54:00 you want to use simple html for "widgets"? Jun 27 11:54:05 or just playing around? Jun 27 11:54:50 big apps are just small lego blocks joined together in a sensible manner Jun 27 11:55:02 does it matter how the tree of contents gets into memory.. Jun 27 11:55:36 the sketchuploading is serious, i keep getting lost about which machine ive done stuff on and i need to get it together Jun 27 11:55:57 and i finally hit a tipping point Jun 27 11:56:04 so im making it happen :) Jun 27 11:56:55 even though i know nothing about the web or the lamp stack or anything like that lol Jun 27 11:58:51 hm Jun 27 12:00:11 * lcuk has been contained in a microsoftie bubble for too long Jun 27 12:00:48 lcuk: Microsoft releases often, you are just playing around Linus style =) Jun 27 12:01:28 * RST38h looks at the code and remembers that according to some computers and Satan are similar: neither will do anything to you unless specifically asked to Jun 27 12:02:20 heh Jun 27 12:07:38 qwerty12_N810: btw, should i look into updating our webkit? Jun 27 12:08:46 in full sunlight i can see how hildon scroll bars and text fields are flickering Jun 27 12:08:56 like 20 fps Jun 27 12:09:04 waste of cpu Jun 27 12:09:08 no Jun 27 12:09:13 no? Jun 27 12:09:14 thats prolly just hte lcd Jun 27 12:09:19 you are wrong Jun 27 12:09:27 ok Jun 27 12:09:51 it is lcd refresh, after the blizzard chip Jun 27 12:09:53 they are flickering though Jun 27 12:09:59 shimmering Jun 27 12:09:59 yes, a bit Jun 27 12:10:02 oh youre right Jun 27 12:10:06 it's hardware thing Jun 27 12:10:50 lcd should be constantly cycled with alternate current to prevent electrolisys Jun 27 12:11:04 that is what you are seeing most likely Jun 27 12:11:08 Stskeeps: I guess so, why not? Jun 27 12:18:07 qwerty12_N810: k - just pondering if there was any massive improvements :P Jun 27 12:19:17 Bundyo told me he always wanted to build it for Mer. Diablo's libraries are too fucking old for him to bring the latest there. Jun 27 12:19:46 ah Jun 27 12:21:22 Anybody tried upgrading Diablo base packages, *unofficially*? Jun 27 12:21:50 Given that Nokia is not gong to support it? Jun 27 12:22:35 the community updates stuff Jun 27 12:23:31 its simple if someone takes it up, but noone would do it without incentive Jun 27 12:23:39 Theoretically, osso-software-version-rx44-unlocked will allow one to do so but you'd have to update GLib first for many libs and it's gonna fun distributing them... Jun 27 12:23:55 s/fun/be fun/ Jun 27 12:23:55 qwerty12_N810 meant: Theoretically, osso-software-version-rx44-unlocked will allow one to do so but you'd have to update GLib first for many libs and it's gonna be fun distributing them... Jun 27 12:26:07 I want to build a newer version of libcurl and give it a different soname personally but I know I'd fuck up somewhere Jun 27 12:26:38 oh, btw qwerty, I owe you fMSX-Maemo sources... Jun 27 12:27:07 Hehe, would be much appriciated :) Jun 27 12:28:41 sorry, I am constantly forgetting and running out of time =( Jun 27 12:30:33 No, no, there's no rush or obligation or anything but I'm having a little trouble playing Metal Gear and I would like to be able to see if my theory is correct concerning the bit that is giving me trouble :) Jun 27 12:38:45 qwerty: What is the problem with MG? Jun 27 12:40:10 F4 fails to bring up the radio screen. I suspect it's due to your method of not making fMSX's menu come up Jun 27 12:51:15 hohoho, I know what goes on with VAX now Jun 27 12:51:44 qwerty: That is easy, tablet has no F4 Jun 27 12:52:02 qwerty: I do not remember, does the latest version support virtual keyboard? Jun 27 12:52:38 RST38h: the menu button is f4 Jun 27 12:52:48 RST38h: yes, that Jun 27 12:53:01 's what I'm using :) Jun 27 12:56:51 "Congratulations qwerty111, Our ******Warez Team have tracked you down & have selected you to join our Warez community. We wanted to take this opportunity to see if we can get you to become part of our active and friendly Warez community here at ******Warez.com as we have noticed that you have been active in the warez scene." :\ Jun 27 12:57:37 spammers Jun 27 12:57:57 Indeed, but they got my username right... Jun 27 13:00:06 qwerty12_N810: warez galore Jun 27 13:00:24 Ok, now I know what is failing, but how do I fix it? =( Jun 27 13:02:34 RST38h: mark it fixed in fremantle Jun 27 13:11:23 hola Jun 27 13:13:06 andre__, do we want to change the welcome message to 'Bugzilla'? To match some of the other stuff (wiki, etc.). Jun 27 13:19:30 Sts: Do I look like timeless to you? Jun 27 13:19:44 Sts: Fixed alread, somewhat of a hack but will work. Jun 27 13:20:39 RST38h: i haven't seen a picture of you yet Jun 27 13:27:14 GAN800, why not Jun 27 13:27:17 Pride parade today Jun 27 13:28:32 Also, andre__, I think we need a user-selectable Hello Kitty! theme. That way the haters have nothing to complain aboout. Jun 27 13:29:00 GAN800, i totally agree, but maybe we can make that a GSoC task for 2010 Jun 27 13:29:43 hmmmmmm Jun 27 13:30:00 Psh, GSoC. That shit deserves to be aa 2010 Objective. :P Jun 27 13:48:07 http://pics.livejournal.com/drugoi/pic/00s8p7eg.jpg Jun 27 13:48:21 (stewed, not grilled, in case you wonder) Jun 27 13:49:21 RST38h: This in response to Stskeeps' "RST38h: i haven't seen a picture of you yet"? :P Jun 27 13:49:53 qwerty: Nah, I am not stewed yet =) Jun 27 13:50:50 * Stskeeps tries out Tear on mer Jun 27 13:58:18 qwerty12_N810: gconf-editor works well too Jun 27 13:59:36 Stskeeps, focusing in on thay day-to-day, eh? :P Jun 27 14:01:31 GAN800: yeah, obviously Jun 27 14:22:19 * Stskeeps tries to get Xomap to behave Jun 27 14:27:39 Hi Jun 27 15:11:23 qwerty12_N810: damn, tear is fast on mer Jun 27 15:11:41 (working with it on n810 atm) Jun 27 15:35:20 Ah, Apple quality. 1-day-old iPhonr 3G S has a busted screen. Jun 27 15:35:44 don't tell me you bought an iphone Jun 27 15:36:07 That's not Apple. It's the Maemo Gods taking revenge upon you for buying an iPhone ;) Jun 27 15:38:20 qwerty12_N810: scary fact: the sound you hear from AP is alsa, not pulse or esd :P Jun 27 15:39:36 Stskeeps: Ah, sorry for saying it's ESD then. The hildon api pages have hildon_play_system_sound() as using ESD... Jun 27 15:39:55 yeah, it uses libcanberra now Jun 27 15:40:01 which just takes whatever it wants :) Jun 27 15:40:23 Ah, never bothered looking at the Fremantle SDK Jun 27 15:40:59 Ah well, I guess this means that multimediad has hopefully pissed off Jun 27 15:45:08 Stskeeps, nah, my mother upgraded hers. Jun 27 15:46:06 qwerty12_N810: the cool thing is that it uses the sound files from half a year ago, made by zenvoid :) Jun 27 16:03:19 1680 user RW 76388 1097 43.1 60.1 maemo-launcher Jun 27 16:03:47 810 root SW< 13904 354 41.8 10.9 Xomap Jun 27 16:03:53 :( Jun 27 16:04:07 rebboooot Jun 27 17:09:16 * xnt14 is bored to death Jun 27 17:09:48 learn vala and gtk and come help us in mer? :P Jun 27 17:09:54 :P Jun 27 17:10:07 Stskeeps, k I'll try to learn that :P :) Jun 27 17:10:26 Get a job. Jun 27 17:10:44 he's 14 ;p Jun 27 17:11:04 so? :P Jun 27 17:11:25 * Stskeeps was a paperboy since 12 to be able to afford internet and computers Jun 27 17:11:31 xnt14: http://live.gnome.org/Vala/GTKSample Jun 27 17:11:34 nvm Jun 27 17:11:37 * xnt14 thinks about being an Intern for his districts IT Dep Jun 27 17:12:06 (same to b-man16, go learn vala, it looks like a good starting language, close to java/c#, useful later) Jun 27 17:12:08 Stskeeps, o.0, that page loads fast in ff 3.5 :P Jun 27 17:12:31 k Jun 27 17:12:51 Stskeeps: shure :) Jun 27 17:13:18 * xnt14 types a random infobot cmd before he starts learning vala + gtk :P Jun 27 17:13:27 ~kill Luke-Jr Jun 27 17:13:28 * infobot shoots a magneto-ionized fluxtachyon gun at Luke-Jr Jun 27 17:13:31 yay Jun 27 17:13:34 :) Jun 27 17:13:40 xnt14: guide is at http://live.gnome.org/Vala obviously Jun 27 17:13:44 rofl!! Jun 27 17:13:44 k Jun 27 17:13:45 :) Jun 27 17:13:46 xD Jun 27 17:13:48 xD Jun 27 17:15:58 hello Jun 27 17:16:20 evening macer Jun 27 17:16:29 Stskeeps: start working on integrating qtablet yet? Jun 27 17:17:02 Macer: oh, it already works in mer, long ago Jun 27 17:17:13 oh? Jun 27 17:17:20 sec Jun 27 17:17:26 can replace the gnome stuff ? Jun 27 17:17:42 .. not too much yet Jun 27 17:17:44 http://blip.tv/file/2107449/ Jun 27 17:17:45 and use qtablet instead? Jun 27 17:17:50 ignore the quirks, there was a qt bug Jun 27 17:17:55 it's infact a lot faster :P Jun 27 17:18:06 wow Jun 27 17:18:31 going to order an n810 then Jun 27 17:19:48 http://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/mer-0.15tear.png is neat too :P Jun 27 17:21:36 thats pretty nice Jun 27 17:22:42 bloody fast browser Jun 27 17:23:37 i really like the qtablet tho Jun 27 17:25:11 yeah but someone needs to develop it Jun 27 17:25:18 i can see where nokia wants to go with qt really Jun 27 17:25:49 damn Jun 27 17:26:52 i really like the way it looks Jun 27 17:36:15 is there a way to play the new youtube format in mplayer without dropouts? Jun 27 17:41:28 Stskeeps: you think nokia wouldn't support it or somethig? Jun 27 17:41:33 i don't see what the big deal would be Jun 27 17:41:38 i guess because they use gtk based stuff? Jun 27 17:41:53 or don't want something released that is better and draws away from their other things? Jun 27 17:43:39 but mer looks nice in those Stskeeps Jun 27 17:44:50 Re Jun 27 17:47:57 never noticed there isn't an external dpad on the n810 Jun 27 17:48:24 Macer: Oh, believe me, you'll notice =) Jun 27 17:48:56 haha Jun 27 17:48:59 i was going to order one Jun 27 17:49:16 how good is mer bt keyboard support? Jun 27 17:49:22 and printer support and what not? :) Jun 27 17:49:33 it would be awesome if there was openoffice with cups support on it Jun 27 17:49:47 i'm sure it wouldn't run too fast but still. :) Jun 27 17:50:12 i need something i can shove in my pocket and bust out to type papers on Jun 27 17:50:26 using my su8w Jun 27 17:51:03 i haven't been keeping up much with mer since i don't have my tablet anymore. i figured i would wait until n810s were around the $200 mark Jun 27 17:51:05 whenever i try typing with what i busted out of my pants with i always make typos cos it hits more than one key at a time Jun 27 17:51:06 which they pretty muh are now Jun 27 17:51:17 :-P Jun 27 17:51:46 lcuk: there was a rumour that the twig snapped Jun 27 17:52:02 anybody ever make something that works with like gmail video? Jun 27 17:52:06 :) Jun 27 17:52:43 i mean if the point of mer is to show that a tablet can be treated as a full fledged portable energy efficient computer Jun 27 17:53:08 then it needs office apps and video chatting support (everything that you can do with a netbook that has a built in keyboard with a web cam that works) Jun 27 17:53:56 printer support and hid support also Jun 27 17:54:21 * Macer thinks about windows domain support but that is being ambitious Jun 27 17:55:22 someone should be able to pull out an n810 and do all their office/internet stuff wtihout thinking twice Jun 27 17:55:31 :) Jun 27 17:55:35 Macer: I've connected my phone which can emulate a HID device and used it to send kbd buttons etc Jun 27 17:55:55 qwerty12_N810: but can you just turn on your bt keyboard and pair it and type all by using the gui? Jun 27 17:56:05 you can in hildon Jun 27 17:56:35 or are you forced to go to a command line and find the address... pair it with hidd.. etc? Jun 27 17:56:42 Macer: get a apple bt keyboard, nice small and works good. Jun 27 17:56:54 Macer: I was able to use the phone to reconnect easily Jun 27 17:57:07 johnsq: i have an su8w Jun 27 17:57:08 Macer: Mer has hildonized Blueman Jun 27 17:57:19 qwerty12_N810: so it's integrated into mer Jun 27 17:57:23 ? Jun 27 17:57:32 i mean to the point where an idiot can figure out how to do it? :) Jun 27 17:58:15 i understand the necessity to do things right.. but someone should start thinking about what comes after you get the base work done Jun 27 17:58:22 Macer: easier and better than windows. Jun 27 17:58:24 no office apps then no success :) Jun 27 17:58:39 no printing from the tablet means someone will just get a netbook Jun 27 17:58:40 Macer: Dunno about integrated but it has a wizard :D Jun 27 17:59:14 johnx has had a2dp working using blueman Jun 27 17:59:31 tell someone "all you need is a bluetooth keyboard and you can type all of your papers and spreadsheets in openoffice on it." Jun 27 17:59:34 heh Jun 27 17:59:44 and they will think about it Jun 27 17:59:56 otherwise it is just a phone that you can't use as a phone Jun 27 18:00:04 (well unless you use skype i suppose) Jun 27 18:00:07 * Stskeeps bloody hopes this Xomap fix fixes the keyboard Jun 27 18:00:16 hehe Jun 27 18:00:17 Better use abiword. Jun 27 18:00:31 johnsq: abiword has a different file format Jun 27 18:00:38 Stskeeps: what is the problem with the keyboard? Jun 27 18:00:41 and isn't as widely used as openoffice Jun 27 18:00:47 nor does it have as many features Jun 27 18:00:55 johnsq: it assumes input.options is a list Jun 27 18:01:06 it is like telling someone who can use ms office.. "just use write" Jun 27 18:01:07 problem with ooo is that it's a fucking pig :) Jun 27 18:01:21 ShadowJK: i ran it on my G3 :) Jun 27 18:01:24 it wasn't too bad Jun 27 18:01:28 400MHz Jun 27 18:01:35 CPU isn't an issue Jun 27 18:01:41 sure a different arch .. with slightly less ram Jun 27 18:01:48 but the n810 should be able to do it Jun 27 18:01:53 your G3 had a proper harddrive :-) Jun 27 18:01:57 not slow-ass sd Jun 27 18:02:17 lol. i suppose that is true Jun 27 18:02:19 Macer: k6 with 32mb is running openoffice without a problem, a little slow but usable Jun 27 18:02:43 ShadowJK: but at the very least someone should start thinking on what would make someone actually want to use mer :) Jun 27 18:03:01 i mean it's great that it is trying to be the universal something or other (like java?) Jun 27 18:03:03 once you start swapping more than "slightly" on a SD card, you'll end up with half-minute latencies minimum :) Jun 27 18:03:19 like an office app Jun 27 18:03:20 * pupnik haet swap Jun 27 18:03:27 that can use normal formats Jun 27 18:03:28 hey, I actually thought the N810 was an upgrade to my phone's non-phone capabilities, which it turned out to do great :-) Jun 27 18:03:41 Stskeeps: any idea how to fix the slideout keyboard? better kernel, user space input filter or x11 driver? Jun 27 18:03:48 ShadowJK: my g1 can run circles around an n810 ;) Jun 27 18:04:10 ShadowJK: the only thing i can't do from my phone is print Jun 27 18:04:28 Amusingly I can Jun 27 18:04:31 and i have to run hidd manually to connect my keyboard but that is supposed to be getting fixed soon Jun 27 18:04:34 or atleast it claims to print Jun 27 18:04:40 but I don't have a printer to test with :P Jun 27 18:04:52 ShadowJK: my n95 only supported bt printing Jun 27 18:04:57 my n800 printed with cups Jun 27 18:05:00 which was nice Jun 27 18:05:06 my E75 claims to do LPR over wlan Jun 27 18:05:20 haha Jun 27 18:05:21 buy a printer and test it :) Jun 27 18:05:39 i would have never gotten my g1 if the damn n95 supported tmob Jun 27 18:05:41 need to setup a print server too Jun 27 18:05:46 well... tmob 3G Jun 27 18:05:56 at made me disgusted Jun 27 18:05:58 att Jun 27 18:06:33 ok. have to go for a few..sorry about ranting.. but i think that everybody is concentrating on making sure mer has a good base... but not about what happens afterwards Jun 27 18:06:41 and in the end it winds up like newton :) Jun 27 18:06:52 a real cool idea that never had any use Jun 27 18:07:00 bbl Jun 27 19:59:41 NO ROUTE TO HOST!!! Jun 27 20:00:07 that would be a cool band name Jun 27 20:22:55 hm.. nokia seems to have bribed someone to do a "Im an idiot"-test on the N97. Guy first drops it in his breakfast cereal, goes "oh no!", and then goes wash it with water and soap. Jun 27 20:24:59 What? :) Jun 27 20:25:59 Depressingly the phone survives Jun 27 20:26:21 Url? Jun 27 20:26:45 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VkeDhaDQjEQ Jun 27 20:44:11 need to hack tear to bring up "find" with the "/" key :) Jun 27 20:49:44 google video downloader in python: http://code.google.com/p/vdown/ Jun 27 21:05:34 just hacked it to work Jun 27 21:05:37 works! Jun 27 21:06:49 just substitute /home/user for userhome and comment out the home import in /usr/bin/vdown and /user/lib/gvdown/main.py Jun 27 21:24:38 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=300434#post300434 Jun 27 21:24:43 Anyone willing to assist? Jun 27 21:25:58 Nichod_: Youtube: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/digiaatscene/ - it's awesome, commenting, uploading etc Jun 27 21:27:11 For podcasts, look at gpodder. And that's about all that I know. :) Jun 27 21:30:15 Thank you :) Jun 27 21:38:30 andre__, ping? Jun 27 22:09:48 pupnik: I'm anal-retentive: userhome = (os.path.expanduser("~")+'/') :) Jun 27 22:10:18 k ty Jun 27 22:13:27 qwerty12_N810 i got errors running : from user import home as userhome Jun 27 22:14:26 Yeah, this is the el-cheapo knockoff version that works on a tablet and is more generic than hardcoding "/home/user" :D Jun 27 22:17:15 File "/usr/bin/vdown", line 39, in Jun 27 22:17:56 ImportError: No module named user Jun 27 22:19:15 now im going to need a bigger micro-sd Jun 27 22:22:18 lol Jun 27 22:22:21 little kids wouldn't get the joke Jun 27 22:22:36 but in justice league of america when the other super hero is like "you are a credit to your people son" while talking to the green lantern Jun 27 22:22:39 :) Jun 27 22:22:42 that was kind of funny Jun 27 22:30:25 what is the joke Jun 27 22:30:39 green lantern is black Jun 27 22:37:35 man i love this artigo Jun 27 22:37:36 it's great Jun 27 22:37:50 i don't know if it's opensolaris or the artigo itself but it has been performing like a little beast :) Jun 27 22:38:04 i'm suprised the damn cpu hasn't burned out yet Jun 27 22:40:31 ah well. later. Jun 27 22:52:10 if i plug in 4 cameras to my computer can i access all 4 from gstreamer? Jun 27 23:19:24 pupnik: was bored and can't get to sleep: http://pastebin.com/f3da61c56 Jun 27 23:19:37 dropbox client for maemo! Jun 27 23:19:41 id love that Jun 27 23:20:16 nice qwerty12_N810 ! Jun 27 23:34:15 fennec is quite poor Jun 27 23:34:16 nice idea Jun 27 23:39:50 next release will be about 2x faster Jun 27 23:52:26 Pavlov, is it all publically buildable to see how its progressing (i gather a 2x speedup wont just drop in over night and will come incrementally Jun 27 23:52:58 lcuk: yeah you can build it yourself -- but this 2x speedup will actually kinda drop in heh Jun 27 23:53:10 prolly in the next week or two Jun 27 23:53:13 wheres it comin from? Jun 27 23:53:30 we were doing some kind dumb stuff during scrolling Jun 27 23:53:40 and paints in general Jun 27 23:54:01 yeah, every extra blit takes speed away Jun 27 23:54:09 were hitting cpu/memory bandwidth for the work we were doing.. just didn't need to do 1/2-2/3 of it every time Jun 27 23:55:23 so we're doing 2 things right now: tile caching the page contents for rendering and changing the way we scroll a good bit to be a whole lot cpu intensive Jun 27 23:55:27 pavlov general optimizations http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=290974 Jun 27 23:55:42 may play around with doing yuv tiles/xvideo at some point Jun 27 23:55:43 tile caching? Jun 27 23:55:44 you're doing that now right? Jun 27 23:55:57 ive been doing that for the last 12months :) Jun 27 23:55:59 yeah Jun 27 23:56:23 as in just painting a small section? Jun 27 23:56:25 yeah Jun 27 23:56:29 sorta google maps style Jun 27 23:56:40 we can be as agressive as we weant Jun 27 23:56:44 but wanted a more general system Jun 27 23:57:32 yeah, in liqbase i have a slightly similar setup, tho the text and background and everything are real time - i delay loading images until they actually become visible Jun 27 23:57:40 yeah Jun 27 23:57:55 apart from the work we're doing right now, someone else is doing lazy image loading Jun 27 23:58:00 jpegs and pngs take up a shedload of cpu, so if you can just get the headers and sizes Jun 27 23:58:04 yeah Jun 27 23:58:16 i've seen a few cpus lately doing hw jpeg decoding Jun 27 23:58:21 some of the broadcom ones Jun 27 23:58:28 but haven't written any tests for that yet Jun 27 23:58:33 yeah theres a jpegdsp project around waiting for time Jun 27 23:58:49 yeah, that'd be cool too Jun 27 23:58:54 but that would have drawback of lowering max cpu Jun 27 23:59:03 nod Jun 27 23:59:05 what you give with one hand.. Jun 27 23:59:17 holy shit that special about enron Jun 27 23:59:40 talk about a bunch of mean bastards :) just goes to show that if you have it in you to screw up the lives of thousands you can be set for life haha Jun 28 00:00:43 i'm suprised nobody has made a movie about it Jun 28 00:00:52 lcuk: but yeah, the good news is that aside from painting we actually have very little overhead Jun 28 00:00:57 so just gotta optimize it to be less dumb Jun 28 00:01:11 until someone puts a flash anim on lol Jun 28 00:01:19 o.O Jun 28 00:01:23 flash. sigh. Jun 28 00:01:27 heh Jun 28 00:01:37 it's called enron: the smartest guys in the room Jun 28 00:01:44 everybody should have to watch it :) Jun 28 00:01:46 people expect to run desktop stuff if you give it to em Jun 28 00:01:50 yep Jun 28 00:02:01 principle reason why i made my own sketch format instead of using svg ;) Jun 28 00:02:03 we're trying hard to make it so people on the web don't need flash Jun 28 00:02:39 Macer, dunno not in same country as you to see same progs Jun 28 00:02:55 Pavlov, but then again it gets taken away with