**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Jun 28 02:59:57 2009 Jun 28 03:04:46 %ircsysteminit.test Jun 28 03:04:50 Testing... Jun 28 03:04:56 Test Complete Jun 28 03:05:00 :) Jun 28 03:05:08 wow Jun 28 03:05:11 %mute #maemo Jun 28 03:05:24 GA doesn't want me to flood the channel :P Jun 28 03:05:38 * xnt14 goes back to nexuiz Jun 28 03:06:01 enron was HORRIBLE Jun 28 03:06:06 hahaha Jun 28 03:06:30 i just watched the whole thing Jun 28 03:08:49 Pavlov, Tegra is a joke next to OMAP3. Jun 28 03:10:31 Pavlov, and it sure aint doing 720p with that ARM11 Jun 28 03:42:48 does anyone know if the diablo kernel has support for directfb? Jun 28 03:49:20 lol Jun 28 03:49:25 probably not Jun 28 03:50:21 i read somewhere that it can interface with omapfb Jun 28 03:50:38 or fbdev Jun 28 03:51:13 well, those exist Jun 28 03:52:24 i think that it requires enabling some functions in the kernel Jun 28 03:52:47 mplayer uses omapfb Jun 28 03:53:04 though i dont know on what level Jun 28 03:53:25 fwiw, stress was originally filed as a bugzilla.mozilla.org bug years ago Jun 28 03:53:37 so yes, i *know* pavlov has seen it ;) Jun 28 04:07:42 directfb is a kernel thing? Jun 28 05:45:50 GeneralAntilles: its about the whole package, not just one part ;p Jun 28 06:17:09 morning Jun 28 06:53:16 where are the network connections saved?s Jun 28 07:55:47 Morning, all Jun 28 07:57:55 morning Jun 28 07:58:44 * Stskeeps is happy he can finally add sane translations strings into Mer Jun 28 07:59:21 woohoo Jun 28 08:01:44 (and go on holiday for a week tomorrow) Jun 28 08:05:13 lucky you Jun 28 08:06:06 well, it's a music festival not so much a holiday, .. maybe a mental holiday :P Jun 28 08:06:49 that's also cool Jun 28 08:07:35 did you have any luck with reflashing your initfs? Jun 28 08:08:05 yeah, FINALLY got that fixed Jun 28 08:08:30 only by using fiasco-flasher on the booted maemo Jun 28 08:09:43 now thinking about fiddling with nitdroid Jun 28 08:10:00 yeah, you'll probably be disappointed :P Jun 28 08:10:08 yeah Jun 28 08:10:19 from what i've read, it won't boot if the external memory card is inserted Jun 28 08:10:25 that's a show-stopper for me Jun 28 08:10:42 what were your primary complaints about mer, btw? Jun 28 08:10:52 just so i can add them on the list of fthings to fix Jun 28 08:11:38 mostly that midori kept thinking i was hitting enter when i tried to put the cursor in a text field Jun 28 08:11:52 ah, midori we can all agree on. we have Tear now Jun 28 08:12:10 tear? Jun 28 08:12:19 yeah, you never tried Tear on Maemo? Jun 28 08:12:24 if not, you're -really- missing out Jun 28 08:12:31 is it in extras? Jun 28 08:13:03 not sure, it has to be installed rather manually Jun 28 08:13:24 either way, give mer 0.15 a try and tell me what issues there are - released in two weeks Jun 28 08:13:33 best source of bugs is disgrunted(?) users anyway :P Jun 28 08:14:35 missing an 'l' in "disgruntled" Jun 28 08:14:39 yet another reason to not use mer ;) Jun 28 08:14:53 yeah, hence my "?" :P Jun 28 08:15:03 i am usually able to see when i'm making typos, so Jun 28 08:18:16 i see "tearbookmarks" in my apps manager Jun 28 08:18:24 not installable because there's no "tear" package Jun 28 08:18:34 yeah, but not the whole tear browser.. eitherway, it's really fast and useful browser :P Jun 28 08:18:39 webkit based too Jun 28 08:20:13 no tear in debian unstable Jun 28 08:20:19 so can't even test it here Jun 28 08:20:34 though i have noticed performance issues with midori on my desktop Jun 28 08:25:34 Stskeeps, oh, another thing, mer seems to take a while to boot up Jun 28 08:26:09 you want to know what exactly causes it? it's really silly Jun 28 08:26:20 it's the setup of keyboard and console Jun 28 08:26:23 heh Jun 28 08:26:33 the way to do it in debian/ubuntu is so shitty it adds 30 seconds to boot Jun 28 08:26:48 can't most of that be yanked from the boot process? Jun 28 08:27:36 probably - currently i'm not yanking anything from standard ubuntu because it might have reprocussions Jun 28 08:28:01 well i might try some yanking just on my copy Jun 28 08:28:37 Stskeeps, another minor niggle i have is that the osk doesn't disappear when the hardware keyboard is extended Jun 28 08:29:22 admittedly, and now i that have a N810 (donated by nokia) i can see why that's bloody irritating Jun 28 08:30:05 i can put up with it Jun 28 08:30:12 if the other issues i have are solved :D Jun 28 08:31:08 hey Stskeeps Jaffa Jun 28 08:33:48 oh fun Jun 28 08:33:56 i just lost a bunch of fonts on my desktop Jun 28 08:34:59 morning qwerty12_N810 Jun 28 08:35:17 hey Stskeeps Jun 28 08:36:04 qwerty12_N810: promoted locale-switcher, as i'm getting in timeless's en_US by default now Jun 28 08:36:17 heh Jun 28 08:36:35 god help you :P Jun 28 08:36:58 Stskeeps: Ah, cool, but remember you'll need to set gksu's disable_grab option for n800 users Jun 28 08:36:59 (there were several grammatical errors in that sentence) Jun 28 08:37:15 qwerty12_N810: mmkay Jun 28 08:38:23 libgksu was a shithole. The only program I saw using version 2 loaded its symbols from the library >.< Jun 28 08:38:48 * Stskeeps hums along to nine inch nails - la mer Jun 28 08:43:58 lol Stskeeps you gainin a theme tune Jun 28 08:44:15 Stskeeps, does Tear have proxy settings? Jun 28 08:44:16 Right, run out of things to delay doing more chores Jun 28 08:44:42 man_in_shack: no clue, i think so Jun 28 08:44:53 Stskeeps, can you check? :) Jun 28 08:45:44 lcuk: i wish it was cc sa :P Jun 28 08:46:07 Stskeeps, contact them and ask :) Jun 28 08:47:03 To keep in with the Mer == "bitch" theme, ask for DSM - Skets Jun 28 08:47:22 gah, my ears Jun 28 08:47:42 is there a way to turn off the nokia splashscreen and noise on boot in maemo? Jun 28 08:48:25 nokia splash can be replaced, but afaik not disablable Jun 28 08:48:58 qwerty12_N810: hehe Jun 28 08:51:33 replacing it with something less annoying would be a help Jun 28 08:51:51 the spooky hands one? Jun 28 08:52:04 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=21941 Jun 28 08:52:06 and the noise Jun 28 08:52:08 * qwerty12_N810 votes for Benson's mod Jun 28 08:56:12 hmm Jun 28 08:56:23 microB is now just doing this "updating" thing Jun 28 08:56:42 doesn't tell me much about what's going on Jun 28 08:56:54 as root: /etc/init.d/tablet-browser-daemon restart Jun 28 08:57:54 thanks Jun 28 09:00:50 * qwerty12_N810 wonders how hard it can be to bring back chinook's browser-ui - y'know, the one that didn't depend on a browser daemon Jun 28 09:00:53 Stskeeps, do you think theres a way to digitize qwerty12_N810 and add him as a default search engine on mer? Jun 28 09:01:55 qwerty12_N810 i agree with that, i think tear is the answer isnt it Jun 28 09:02:20 lcuk: currently in progress to find a way to clone qwerty12_N810 in order to parrallelize him Jun 28 09:02:26 lcuk, when that happens, email me a pizza Jun 28 09:02:57 so thats a task on this months sprint? :D Jun 28 09:03:24 now installing tear 0.3.1 from garage Jun 28 09:03:48 what is the browser daemon for anyway? Jun 28 09:03:58 lcuk: yeah, I much prefer tear but tear does have with input and selecting tear can be a chore :) Jun 28 09:04:00 * lcuk resets his libliqbase repo Jun 28 09:04:23 *text Jun 28 09:04:45 static text within pages, or text in textboxes? Jun 28 09:05:12 wow, no preferences window in tear? just a config table editor? Jun 28 09:05:41 lcuk: I've had trouble with both but at least in a textbox I can use shift and the arrow keys Jun 28 09:05:56 man_in_shack, work in progress, if you think you know how to help, get involved Jun 28 09:06:49 well, it seems usable enough so far Jun 28 09:07:03 but i have a concern about not being able to find proxy settings Jun 28 09:14:08 http://www.delsquacho.com/blog/2009/06/27/the-weinermobile-is-the-greatest-vehicle-in-america/ Jun 28 09:46:39 morning all Jun 28 09:47:19 mornin aquatix Jun 28 09:47:25 but i doubt its mornin for everyone Jun 28 09:47:43 igt Jun 28 09:49:15 it's always a morning somewhere Jun 28 09:49:26 hell, it's almost afternoon here already too Jun 28 09:49:35 yeah, and every planet has northerners lol Jun 28 09:51:18 lcuk: :) Jun 28 10:33:48 hi Jun 28 10:33:57 who of you has twitter? Jun 28 10:35:19 i do Jun 28 10:39:58 lcuk: I think I added you some mins before :) Jun 28 10:45:08 lcuk: who of the people here are good in packaging? As you may know I started a thread on talk. that someone could make me a static package of portaudio19 but I got now replies since I started the thread :| Jun 28 10:46:24 there is a debmaster - jeremiah, he is happy to discuss and take a look at stuff, but as with everything he can only offer guidance and you cant expect him to do it all for you :) Jun 28 10:46:49 i have just been through the mill with packaging myself Jun 28 10:47:29 the best advice i can give is look around at other packages and find the simple common elements, and make use of things from similar packages Jun 28 10:47:39 ie if its a library, look at how other libs have been packaged Jun 28 10:48:19 ':| Jun 28 10:48:24 k Jun 28 10:48:28 thanks anyway Jun 28 10:48:30 where is the thread Jun 28 10:48:38 talk.maemo.org Jun 28 10:48:51 theres a lot of threads there Jun 28 10:48:51 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=29847 Jun 28 10:48:53 ta Jun 28 10:48:54 xD Jun 28 10:49:08 I just tweeted about it.. Jun 28 10:49:37 ok Jun 28 10:49:43 what do you mean by a static package Jun 28 10:50:00 cos, if its a porting project, does it already have a package Jun 28 10:51:50 portaudio needs a newer version of libasound.. so you have. as some people told me, to put the source of the newest libasound into the sourcefolder of portaudio19 and make it compiling it together with portaudio.. the goal of a static package is that you don't need the libs which where needed to build it.. Jun 28 10:52:00 in your case libasound Jun 28 10:52:33 I just uploaded a newer version of libasound months ago and it beaked others builds on extras-devel Jun 28 10:52:34 so have you built a new version of libasound in your scratchbox? Jun 28 10:52:42 yes Jun 28 10:52:53 thats technically ok, extras-devel is a breaking ground Jun 28 10:53:05 but I will need such a static package to build mixxx at the end Jun 28 10:53:13 does it *NEED* the extra bits in asound Jun 28 10:53:30 or is it simpler to downgrade mixxxx to not require the new version Jun 28 10:54:13 the problem isn't actually mixxx its portaudio19 which needs the newest package of libasound... Jun 28 10:54:20 cos i thought asound had been static and unchanging for years Jun 28 10:55:42 I talked with the devs on #mixxx about my problem.. and about using portaudio v18 instead of v19.. but v19 is definitly needed for the scratching effects and s.o. Jun 28 10:56:44 thats a kicker Jun 28 10:56:44 * thopiekar successfully uploaded portaudio18.. but it's useless as you can see :| Jun 28 10:57:37 I really hope that someone will reply on my thread while being able to make the package for me.. Jun 28 10:57:53 thats really not a simple problem to solve Jun 28 10:58:04 hmm :| Jun 28 10:58:22 it involves porting and handling libasound and portaudio and then mixxx Jun 28 10:58:32 what broke in extras-devel when you sent new asound through Jun 28 10:59:08 * thopiekar is now taking a look on the source folders of portaudio and libasound to find a way to get the sources together.. Jun 28 11:01:35 yes.. Jun 28 11:06:12 qwerty12_N810: ping Jun 28 11:06:31 Jaffa: pong Jun 28 11:06:55 qwerty12_N810: Just saw your Tear patch; I don't know what Tear's code style is, but if I saw a dev do "if(thumb_option==true)" rather than "if (thumb_option)" they'd get a pounding ;-) Jun 28 11:07:23 It's a short hop from there to "if(thumb_option==true) { return true; } else { return false; }" ;-) Jun 28 11:07:33 Jaffa: good point, I usually do that when using gbooleans... Jun 28 11:07:46 Thanks, I'll change it now Jun 28 11:08:30 wtf there's 244 people in the dosbox facebook group Jun 28 11:08:41 Kill them all. Jun 28 11:08:41 jaffa, at least it wasnt if(!no_thumb_option) Jun 28 11:08:49 lcuk: true! Jun 28 11:08:55 yeh! Jun 28 11:10:01 has facebook taken over hte world then Jun 28 11:10:29 cos i just foundout my hosts file contains "127.0.0.1 facebook.com" :D Jun 28 11:10:36 for what is .PHONY: needed in [debian|rules]? Jun 28 11:11:09 thopiekar: It's a make-ism Jun 28 11:11:18 means? Jun 28 11:11:19 :P Jun 28 11:11:34 thopiekar: http://www.gnu.org/software/automake/manual/make/Phony-Targets.html Jun 28 11:12:44 thanks Jaffa Jun 28 11:16:06 everyday more and more references to libicd-network-wpa appear Jun 28 11:16:21 indeed Jun 28 11:16:24 guess i'll have to write a readme and release it Jun 28 11:16:43 i'm such a lazy man :) Jun 28 11:17:49 hm, i reckon its time to install desktop linux again Jun 28 11:17:52 how do you deal with the custom .ko btw? Jun 28 11:18:12 ill get looking for a nice distro later - i assume ubuntu is still the cuddly friendly one? Jun 28 11:18:43 No, that's Gentoo Jun 28 11:18:51 gentoo is now cuddly? :P Jun 28 11:18:51 i've replaced it on the initfs by remouting rw and that's about it Jun 28 11:19:44 to link the build of my package to another, here newer, version of libasound I should set --enable-static and something like "--with-alsadir ./alsa-lib/xxx" but I can't find such a option :| Jun 28 11:19:47 cuddly like cuddling with barbwire Jun 28 11:20:24 thopiekar: won't a newer libasound require a newer alsa? Jun 28 11:21:09 amr: sure! Having to compile everything is very cuddly :P Jun 28 11:21:29 ht helps heat your room... Jun 28 11:21:50 :O I will just build the sources of libasound and use them directly to build portaudio19.. Jun 28 11:22:15 so I have to put the sources into the sourcefolder of portaudio19... Jun 28 11:22:42 didn't they do away with compiling the BIG things? Jun 28 11:22:52 I'm actually working on it but I don't think I will get a working debain-sourcefolder :| Jun 28 11:22:53 well, on install Jun 28 11:23:19 javispedro: does your cx3110x play nice with the standard icd2 modules? :) Jun 28 11:23:43 stskeeps: ah, wre you asking about the patched .ko not working with standard icd? Jun 28 11:23:54 good timing Jun 28 11:23:57 xd Jun 28 11:24:00 yes it does Jun 28 11:24:13 i fixed that by borking wpa-supplicant Jun 28 11:24:34 Brilliant, thank you. I may be in a situation where I may be needing the support soon :) Jun 28 11:24:49 so now both cxwhatever.ko and wpa_supplicant are borked Jun 28 11:24:55 but they happily talk Jun 28 11:25:05 javispedro: interesting - i wonder what we broke on mer source that causes it to not work with normal ICD Jun 28 11:25:25 icd/wlancond seems to violate iwext Jun 28 11:26:28 i remember something about icd expecting a string with "bssid:mac" but but iwext defining only "bssid" Jun 28 11:27:16 im thinking for emus, better mouse control might be using screen as a touchpad, and "-" button for left-click and "+" buttpn for right click Jun 28 11:27:31 it's been four months since I coded that already? Jun 28 11:27:38 man, time goes fast Jun 28 11:29:30 qwerty12_N810, did you post gvdown yet? Jun 28 11:29:41 i havent tried your patch yet. Jun 28 11:30:00 pupnik: nah, I was sleepy: it was a quick job :) Jun 28 11:30:02 grabbing documentaries from google video is fun Jun 28 11:30:23 pupnik: i dislike that. if you're thinking dosbox & windows, there was a mouse.drv specially designed for tablets... can't find it now though Jun 28 11:30:48 I only happened to realise later that I could reparent and destroy the menubar rather than the menu widgets individually... Jun 28 11:30:58 ag. is there a shortcut to switch languages for the n810 hw keyboard autocompleter? Jun 28 11:31:07 whhhhh javispedro -- some dos games use relative motion - no way to use exact coords afaik Jun 28 11:31:32 javispedro: ctrl+chr Jun 28 11:32:17 a banner just appearead with (in spanish) "font face changed" Jun 28 11:32:34 but that did it, qwerty12 Jun 28 11:32:38 thanks Jun 28 11:34:06 isn't $(MAKE) -C /dir_xy the folder where the compiled files will be moved in? Jun 28 11:34:09 Says: "Input language switched" here :P Jun 28 11:35:03 "messy translations" Jun 28 11:35:08 thopiekar: no; that runs make in that folder - the equivalent to cd'ing there and running make Jun 28 11:35:56 aaah ok so the compiled files will be in the working folder? Jun 28 11:36:14 so the other way around as I thought before, right? Jun 28 11:41:11 i switched the autocompleter too late Jun 28 11:41:25 now my spanish dictionary is nearly useless lol Jun 28 11:41:47 luckily I know which file to delete Jun 28 11:42:00 javispedro: what other stuff were you involved with btw? Jun 28 11:42:36 trolling some other english-speaking boards and such :) Jun 28 11:43:30 oh, you mean "serious stuff"? just libicd-network-wpa, openttd & dosbox Jun 28 11:43:44 ah, but openttd is useful too ;) Jun 28 11:44:35 just pondering if you ever considered giving a hand with Mer, you seem to have enough drive even for insane feats (libicd-network-wpa), so :P Jun 28 11:45:39 whould the cd'ing where work? Jun 28 11:45:40 alsa_configure: cd ./alsa-lib Jun 28 11:45:40 alsa_configure-stamp $(alsa_configure_biarch_stamp) Jun 28 11:45:56 right, scared one person away Jun 28 11:45:56 :P Jun 28 11:45:59 heh. i am still a little amazed about enron Jun 28 11:46:12 that was an awesome movie Jun 28 11:46:13 Stskeeps: Mer? The horror! :P Jun 28 11:46:14 or do I have to put into $(xy)? Jun 28 11:46:31 it was like a mafia movie. they always end bad Jun 28 11:46:49 qwerty12_N810: at least it wasn't deblet Jun 28 11:46:50 :P Jun 28 11:47:12 ooh, thumb scrollbar Jun 28 11:47:20 * Stskeeps hugs qwerty12_N810 Jun 28 11:47:28 Yeah, that Cheese picture with your Marlboro :p Jun 28 11:47:30 :) Jun 28 11:47:40 wb javispedro Jun 28 11:47:48 this is the problem with wi-fi... Jun 28 11:47:59 javispedro: just pondering if you ever considered giving a hand with Mer, you seem to have enough drive even for insane feats (libicd-network-wpa), so :P Jun 28 11:48:37 libicd-network-wpa code is pretty insane indeed :P Jun 28 11:49:13 either way i'd prefer to get the "diablo community SSU" first Jun 28 11:49:34 admittedly Jun 28 11:49:53 but i think time has shown noone is willing to do it on their own accord really Jun 28 11:50:03 it's a massive undertaking Jun 28 11:50:27 i'm not thinking That big Jun 28 11:50:53 well, i'm thinking that it's not something you'd "just" do in your free time :) Jun 28 11:51:01 just congregating most already existing bugfixes into a nice flashable image Jun 28 11:51:04 it's not replacing everything in diablo, but still a lot of logistics Jun 28 11:51:24 and even "nice flashable image" is hell - i've paved some of the way for it through Mer already Jun 28 11:51:48 we have an agreement we can basically distribute nokia sw through maemo.org to nokia tablet users, which is a huge one Jun 28 11:51:51 :( Jun 28 11:52:19 so we'll see where it leads Jun 28 11:52:34 agreed Jun 28 11:53:32 is there a place where to get working debian-sourcefolders? I just noticed now that mine isn't working.. Jun 28 11:53:33 http://pastebin.com/d2bf247e Jun 28 11:54:15 this one is from ubuntu.. [apt-get source] Jun 28 11:55:43 where would i look if i wanted to put a global key hook Jun 28 11:56:04 I added one once by modifying hildon-desktop... Jun 28 11:56:06 so that if i were running any app icould just press a key and have my app monitor/react Jun 28 11:56:16 :) thanks qwerty Jun 28 11:57:03 It has one to bring up the global search so I added another one to run another program Jun 28 11:57:04 * thopiekar is now looking at http://packages.debian.org/stable/ Jun 28 11:57:20 my next "objective" is #3250 Jun 28 11:57:28 qwerty12_N810, global search? Jun 28 11:57:47 but initial exploration reveals it may be even harder that pap :( Jun 28 11:58:09 lcuk: yeah, the built in search prog. it comes with - 'tis referred to as osso-global-search Jun 28 11:58:24 ive never encountered it lol Jun 28 11:58:36 i recall a desktop widget for searching Jun 28 11:58:57 Stskeeps: make mer use an opensolaris kernel :) Jun 28 11:59:31 then it would be awesome Jun 28 11:59:55 Macer: i would still love opensolaris on a sheevaplug or on a openrd client.. Jun 28 12:02:44 ok the package from packages.debain.org is working.. Jun 28 12:03:26 thopiekar: so what are you blowing up these days? Jun 28 12:04:30 a static package of portaudio19! I'm working now on myself on it, because nobody on talk.maemo.org wants to make that package for me.. Jun 28 12:04:40 and I am still thinking... won't you need a newer in-kernel alsa if you're using a newer libasound? Jun 28 12:04:55 dunno Jun 28 12:05:06 just trying to get it working.. Jun 28 12:05:06 :P Jun 28 12:05:50 Considering that Maemo's libasound is quite modified (dumbed-down TBH), will you be able to even hear sound with your newer build? :P Jun 28 12:06:24 btw does alsa work on maemo? i though all mixing was done through "optimized" esd. Jun 28 12:07:15 afaik the default sdl sound driver is esd for a reason (i dont' know which reason, so don' ask :P) Jun 28 12:07:27 no.. I even uploaded one months ago and it breaked builds on extras... now I want to include the libs into the sourcefolder of portaudio19.. so it will build the newest alsa-libs and use them to build portaudio19 Jun 28 12:07:53 javispedro: is maemo esound different from upstream ? Jun 28 12:07:55 javispedro: esd is built with --disable-alsa --enable-dsp afaik... Jun 28 12:07:58 finally it will build portaudio19 staticly, so the libs will be not needed anymore Jun 28 12:10:07 oespirit_: already answered, i guess :) Jun 28 12:10:11 how do I know where dpkg-buildpackage starts with? always with clean: ? Jun 28 12:11:47 you mean, which debian/rules rule? Jun 28 12:11:54 yes.. Jun 28 12:13:57 javispedro: yup. thank god for no source changes from upstream in this one Jun 28 12:15:13 i somehow find hard to believe the upstream esd has a configure option for "--enable-using-omap-dsp-tasks-for-mixing" Jun 28 12:15:26 javispedro: asound does.. Jun 28 12:15:28 i think Jun 28 12:15:37 either way, there's one of them that has the maemo dsp stuff Jun 28 12:15:52 sounds a little bit funny xD , javispedro Jun 28 12:16:16 a very short option for sure :P Jun 28 12:16:54 i don't really know maybe there is a standard "dsp api" and esd just supports that Jun 28 12:18:13 thopiekar: sorry for not answering, though the answer was in dpkg-buildpackage man page but is not Jun 28 12:18:46 so? isn't jeremiah here? Jun 28 12:18:51 jeremiah: PING Jun 28 12:19:15 It's Sunday: he's not obligated to work ;P Jun 28 12:19:57 hehe working for a community like ours there is no weekend just 24/7 working :D Jun 28 12:20:03 out to lunch (dont know the polite way to say that in irc :p) Jun 28 12:20:11 hehe Jun 28 12:21:31 Who wants to bet with me that javispedros leaving is cause his wifi? Jun 28 12:21:33 :P Jun 28 12:26:05 so does someone know where dpkg-buildpackage usually starts in rules? Jun 28 12:26:42 thopiekar: https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/trunk/packages/vala-sample.pkg/Makefile?root=mud-builder&view=markup is the smallest I've had work Jun 28 12:27:40 so the order is.. clean compile and install? Jun 28 12:28:41 some rules files are using "build: " are they used to do the same like compile: ? Jun 28 12:29:07 Beyond my knowledge now :-/ Jun 28 12:29:38 :| Jun 28 12:32:57 what about putting in commands like cd /some/dir/? Jun 28 12:33:12 just writing it in as in the terminal Jun 28 12:33:43 and where is the difference between "$(command)" and "command" Jun 28 12:33:44 ? Jun 28 12:34:14 thopiekar: "$(command)" runs a command and returns its output; command just runs the command. Jun 28 12:34:23 There are some really good Makefile tutorials out there, FWIW Jun 28 12:34:53 what do you mean with FWIW? :P Jun 28 12:35:07 for what its worth Jun 28 12:35:32 * lcuk smiles Jun 28 12:35:40 hopefully i just removed a bug Jun 28 12:36:30 YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS! Jun 28 12:39:39 :D Jun 28 12:41:30 got this rules in my editor.. and it doesn't want to clean alsa by alsa_clean.. Jun 28 12:41:31 http://pastebin.com/d68723173 Jun 28 12:41:49 http://pastebin.com/d71855a69 Jun 28 12:42:52 * thopiekar got a new idea.. Jun 28 12:43:37 I'd be pretty confused too if I just concatenated one rules file onto another :) Jun 28 12:43:39 nah better nod :D Jun 28 12:44:47 hehe thats why i added to libasounds commands the prefix alsa_ Jun 28 12:46:05 If I would execute in ./alsa-lib just ./configure and make it would place the libs into src where the sources are, right? Jun 28 12:46:20 deb packaging system looks like a major fuckup... Jun 28 12:46:28 :D Jun 28 12:47:01 RST38h: No, that's CDBS :) Jun 28 12:47:10 how do they package using this at all? by copying and pasting from other debs? Jun 28 12:47:18 it would be better as getting to rules-files together.. isn't it qwerty12_N810? Jun 28 12:47:53 qwerty: horror. Jun 28 12:48:00 RST38h: this stupid rules-file is my work xD Jun 28 12:48:19 just want to get a static portaudio19 package... Jun 28 12:48:27 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=29847 Jun 28 12:50:01 * RST38h has yet to see a straight rules-file though Jun 28 12:50:02 qwerty12_N810: what do you think? Jun 28 12:51:05 thopiekar: dunno, it's been a long while since i compiled multiple builds from one rules Jun 28 12:51:21 k Jun 28 12:52:47 libs are called *.o, right? Jun 28 12:54:22 timeless_mbp: strings successfully included Jun 28 12:54:39 :) Jun 28 12:55:11 (they're in Devel now if you want them) Jun 28 12:55:22 i was just going to ask :) Jun 28 12:56:53 i can't get the tablet's XChat to remember my nickserv password Jun 28 12:57:10 it seems to send an "invalid password" Jun 28 12:57:23 timeless_mbp: if you're interested in doing en_US string set for osso-xterm you're also more than welcome Jun 28 12:57:38 didn't i? Jun 28 12:57:48 hm Jun 28 12:57:53 did you check diablo-extras-devel? Jun 28 12:59:11 timeless_mbp: there was no localization in osso-xterm in diablo, and i can't find it :P Jun 28 12:59:40 (something new) Jun 28 12:59:41 well, it's in my translated pool here :) Jun 28 12:59:46 it's possible i never pushed Jun 28 13:00:25 possible Jun 28 13:00:49 did you read my idea about double-dependancy? Jun 28 13:01:38 admittedly this means that a language pack doesn't follow the applications installed Jun 28 13:02:20 nope Jun 28 13:02:23 sorry Jun 28 13:02:38 it seems my xterm deb is unhappy Jun 28 13:03:22 basically that we have language-pack-enus, which depends on maemo-af-desktop-l10n-enus1, etc -- and maemo-af-desktop-l10n-enus1 depends on language-pack-en-us Jun 28 13:03:26 enus, that is Jun 28 13:04:38 that'd make it uninstallable Jun 28 13:06:03 (afaik such double-dependancy is possible) Jun 28 13:06:46 * timeless_mbp ponders Jun 28 13:07:09 so, my system now has an osso xterm mo file Jun 28 13:07:22 *but*, xterm isn't picking it up? Jun 28 13:08:10 um, why can't i install screen? Jun 28 13:08:20 what error are you getting? Jun 28 13:09:13 i suppose disabling the ubuntu repo didn't help :) Jun 28 13:10:10 for crying out loud.. ok, i know why it isn't applying the strings Jun 28 13:13:02 because there's a nice N_ in front of it which means it doesn't try to gettext it Jun 28 13:16:15 ? Jun 28 13:16:20 that's probably some other macro Jun 28 13:17:30 yeah Jun 28 13:17:34 * Stskeeps grabs later osso-xterm Jun 28 13:18:00 btw, backspace isn't working in screen Jun 28 13:19:37 potentially a libvte issue Jun 28 13:20:55 why isn't it working? http://pastebin.com/d37567426 Jun 28 13:23:27 i suggest you take a look at the gnu make manual Jun 28 13:23:55 you can't iinvoke make rules that way Jun 28 13:24:14 either do $(MAKE) rule Jun 28 13:24:20 or put it as a dependency Jun 28 13:24:31 (aka after the : in rule definition) Jun 28 13:25:14 Stskeeps: i can't figure out how to get sources for osso-xterm Jun 28 13:25:39 i added deb-src for things and apt-get update'd Jun 28 13:26:01 timeless_mbp: yeah, we don't have deb-src at the moment due to a bug in OBS. i've just upgraded osso-xterm to latest tag as well Jun 28 13:26:06 that should help things a bit Jun 28 13:26:36 can you give me a url for sources so i could just read them? Jun 28 13:26:52 is it garage hosted? Jun 28 13:26:55 Anyone know if Cairo is going to be gfx-accelerated on Maemo 5 devices? Jun 28 13:27:10 i don't think so Jun 28 13:27:18 Just Clutter. Damn. Jun 28 13:27:23 cairo renders onto gtk doesnt it Jun 28 13:27:34 timeless_mbp: yeah, projects/osso-xterm Jun 28 13:27:37 theres still technically a chance Jun 28 13:27:38 lcuk: Gtk renders using Cairo would be more accurate AIUI Jun 28 13:27:39 http://mxr.maemo.org/garage/source/osso-xterm/osso-xterm/trunk/src/terminal-settings.c Jun 28 13:27:41 go for tags, not trunk Jun 28 13:28:08 in that version, it definitely uses _ in places Jun 28 13:28:18 jaffa, lol yeah i meant cairo targets gtk surfaces, and is called and used from within gtk apps :P Jun 28 13:29:01 timeless_mbp: that version is 18 months old :P Jun 28 13:29:11 Stskeeps: yeah, but well, sources are sources Jun 28 13:29:17 qwerty12_N810: if this build goes through we should have pannable area osso-xterm Jun 28 13:29:46 Stskeeps: hehe, that sounds awesome :) Jun 28 13:30:01 with copy&paste? Jun 28 13:30:25 no clue Jun 28 13:30:37 we'll see how it works Jun 28 13:31:01 if anything, hardcore nerds can use screen for copy-paste :P Jun 28 13:31:35 that wont copy to the X clipboard afaik Jun 28 13:31:45 javispedro: but why can't it find 'alsa_dep: '? Jun 28 13:32:21 thopiekar: because that is a make rule. you can invoke that as a "command" Jun 28 13:32:40 hmm Jun 28 13:32:41 can -> cannot (autocomplete failed) Jun 28 13:33:35 but why are there commands like "build-xy" in "build: "'s? Jun 28 13:34:10 those are dh_RANDOMCRAP Jun 28 13:34:18 and those are actually things in $PATH Jun 28 13:34:31 try: which dh_strip Jun 28 13:35:09 /usr/bin/dh_strip Jun 28 13:35:18 see? it's a command Jun 28 13:36:22 so how can I make the rules file executing everything in "alsa_dep: "? Jun 28 13:36:35 told you Jun 28 13:36:48 use $(MAKE) alsa_dep Jun 28 13:36:58 or put alsa_dep as a dependency Jun 28 13:37:19 (after the : in the rule definition) Jun 28 13:37:42 like this: "clean: alsa_dep" Jun 28 13:37:57 aah! ok got it now.. :P Jun 28 13:38:02 will try it out now Jun 28 13:39:03 do you think I can replace my debian chroot with mer and still use it like a chroot? Jun 28 13:39:36 can I easily install latest ubuntu gcc for example? Jun 28 13:39:51 or will it broke like maemo? Jun 28 13:41:21 Stskeeps: ok, my file is checked Jun 28 13:45:31 maybe I should just clone diablo to sd and use that as my dev chroot Jun 28 13:50:06 forget that.. debian's the only one still packaging antlr1 Jun 28 13:52:37 Stskeeps: ok, afaict, there aren't any po's packaged/available for osso-xterm Jun 28 13:52:46 which version of it am i translating? Jun 28 13:52:57 hmm... how do i connect my bt headphones to maemo :P Jun 28 13:53:40 i have paired them but hf does not automatically connect and i cannot find connect option anywhere. Jun 28 13:55:53 I want to make my result the recognize function has recognized displayed on a button label,how should i do? Jun 28 13:55:59 ok. i found it under edit bluetooth device dialog :) Jun 28 13:56:22 timeless_mbp: mh22, i'm building it right now Jun 28 13:57:07 Now,it doesn't display normally Jun 28 13:57:37 is there anybody knowing anything about it ? Jun 28 13:57:43 timeless_mbp: 0.14mh22 that is Jun 28 13:58:24 any idea? Jun 28 13:59:25 hrm, wtf? Jun 28 13:59:26 i should probably get another microsd to screw around with Jun 28 13:59:37 cloned diablo to sd would be useful, i guess Jun 28 13:59:40 h Jun 28 13:59:48 did they actually try to use identifiers? Jun 28 14:01:07 timeless_mbp: seems like they use fremantle menus now Jun 28 14:01:21 Pavlov, not when the general purpose CPU is so underpowered compared to the competition. I mean, you DO like to browse the web and whatnot, right? Well, Tegra's beefed up GPU aint gonna help you there. Jun 28 14:01:35 seems Mer actually -works- with Fremantle menus, that's nice Jun 28 14:01:39 http://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/mer-fremantle-menus.png Jun 28 14:02:30 um, is that screenshot of what you wanted? Jun 28 14:02:47 man_in_shack: oddly, yes Jun 28 14:02:58 Stskeeps: stupid question... Jun 28 14:03:01 how do you get to "settings"? Jun 28 14:03:08 timeless_mbp: i'm not sure there's any Jun 28 14:03:11 REMOVEDINFREMANTLE? Jun 28 14:03:20 Stskeeps: click the red x to the right of pgdn? Jun 28 14:03:37 timeless_mbp: fullscreen Jun 28 14:03:39 sleep time for me Jun 28 14:03:46 Stskeeps: of course! Jun 28 14:03:53 why didn't i think of that.... Jun 28 14:04:03 what part of the document icon gave that away? :) Jun 28 14:04:06 timeless_mbp: gconf-editor :P Jun 28 14:04:20 no hard fullscreen button? yet another thing I prefer I didn't know lol Jun 28 14:04:22 timeless_mbp: fremantle icons are (C) NOKIA CONFIDENTIAL or something :P Jun 28 14:04:38 Stskeeps: that's because we don't know what they'll be yet :) Jun 28 14:04:44 confidential: no one knows Jun 28 14:04:55 more like the SDK icons are closed too Jun 28 14:04:57 actually, that falls under "secret" Jun 28 14:05:06 hence our pervasive lack of icons Jun 28 14:05:23 the red x is gtk's "no icon available" Jun 28 14:06:14 is the number of missing icons smaller or bigger than the number of people on the icon making team? Jun 28 14:06:25 i've missed the icon team :) Jun 28 14:06:38 ShadowJK: you mean wazd? :P Jun 28 14:07:02 or rather "I must have missed the icon team" Jun 28 14:07:08 * ShadowJK has been reading dilbert archives and assumed there'd be 15 people trying to make 3 icons Jun 28 14:07:35 ShadowJK: in open source there's usually very few artists and those who are good are rare Jun 28 14:08:57 oh this is curious Jun 28 14:09:10 Stskeeps, why I assumed Nokia would have bribed someone to do icons for fremantle Jun 28 14:09:13 hildon menu is context sensitive - if i have something marked, "Copy" showed up Jun 28 14:09:55 that's on the ui guidelines afaik Jun 28 14:09:55 yes, but where's select all? :) Jun 28 14:10:08 "disabled options must be hidden" Jun 28 14:10:09 timeless_mbp: breaking your finger on the device screen Jun 28 14:10:10 if you copy something, you should see paste the next time you try the menu Jun 28 14:10:19 or something like that Jun 28 14:12:12 repeteadly smashing the device screen is the official gesture for closing hung application then? ;) Jun 28 14:13:05 no, there's a power key Jun 28 14:13:13 and it has an end task item Jun 28 14:13:24 whether it works is ... Jun 28 14:13:57 as long as the right parts of X, GTK/GQ, etc aren't paged out, I guess Jun 28 14:15:13 or if the current application has an active X grab/menu opened Jun 28 14:15:46 aka most cause of "my Linux is frozen help!" Jun 28 14:16:24 ha Jun 28 14:18:05 http://www.dilbert.com/fast/2009-06-22/ Jun 28 14:21:08 http://www.dilbert.com/fast/2009-06-14/ Jun 28 14:21:36 http://www.dilbert.com/fast/2009-06-28/ today's made me laugh too Jun 28 14:22:17 if I turn off javascript in firefox, dilbert.com/fast becomes fast for real :-) Jun 28 14:23:21 those ads :/ Jun 28 14:26:57 http://www.zonaeuropa.com/200906c.brief.htm#012 <- pretty good engineering if the building didn't fall into pieces at all.. Jun 28 14:27:28 Hmm... iPhone 3GS costs $179 to make Jun 28 14:28:09 it fell as a whole, sideways? Jun 28 14:28:47 Sts: I have seen a few folks discuss these photos. Their suggestion was that the building is made of concrete poured onto metal frame Jun 28 14:29:11 Sts: So, naturally, it would be rather difficult to break apart on its own Jun 28 14:29:54 indeed Jun 28 14:30:08 big photos... tablet slowing... browserd going to crash... i can already feel it Jun 28 14:30:22 javis: use desktop pc instead? =) Jun 28 14:31:09 it's strange how after it has loaded an image, but is still displaying it, you suddenly have 14 megs free. Like as if it made 5 copies in ram of the image before displaying it or something :/ Jun 28 14:32:21 HTML DOM sucks. Jun 28 14:32:27 survived Jun 28 14:32:51 browserd never/rarely crashed for me loading big images Jun 28 14:33:07 you aren't trying hard enough Jun 28 14:33:07 however, the watchdog likes to reset the device after awhile :) Jun 28 14:33:59 never hit the watchdog over here Jun 28 14:34:14 strange, but true Jun 28 14:34:42 I disabled it with the flasher once I figured out you could do that Jun 28 14:35:13 Now when accidentally opening a larger image I'll just put the tablet down and wait an hour for it to recover from swapping :-) Jun 28 14:35:22 whereas before it'd reboot after a minute or so Jun 28 14:35:25 it seems like if browserd was reniced -1 or something Jun 28 14:35:29 * ShadowJK isn't sure which one is better Jun 28 14:35:30 /var/lib/dsme/stats/lifeguard_restarts: /usr/bin/metalayer-crawler -F : 34 :( Jun 28 14:35:32 nah it isn't Jun 28 14:35:52 why isn't it possible to cd into another folder in [debian|rules]? Jun 28 14:35:53 But swapping to SD is so damn slow Jun 28 14:35:58 qwerty12_N810: we should get Luke-Jr to make a free version of FTD.. Jun 28 14:36:03 no swap Jun 28 14:36:21 javispedro, you can't cheat like that, it still swaps :-) Jun 28 14:36:25 Stskeeps: we should :P Jun 28 14:36:28 I switched to ./alsa-lib, followed by some commands Jun 28 14:36:29 though only mapped pages Jun 28 14:36:35 it can't swap anonymous pages Jun 28 14:36:41 but it isn't executing them there.. Jun 28 14:36:46 of course Jun 28 14:37:08 thopiekar: run commands on the same line like: cd whatever && make etc Jun 28 14:37:18 but e.g. tear hangs itself but does not hang hildon-desktop Jun 28 14:37:21 aah k Jun 28 14:37:30 will try that out :P Jun 28 14:38:27 wow forget that the whole tablet froze for 10 seconds Jun 28 14:38:36 Yeah I've noticed differences between tear and browserd too.. tear eats more memory, but its access pattern seems friendlier and doesn't cause huge latencies for other programs to get their pages back Jun 28 14:38:50 that page is horrible Jun 28 14:38:58 multiple flash objects Jun 28 14:39:01 huge images Jun 28 14:39:40 eh isn't it normal to have a half-minute freeze if for some inexplicable reason flash is enabled and you browse to a site with flash? :-) Jun 28 14:39:52 where is the difference between -rm -f and rm -f? Jun 28 14:40:21 rm -f doesn't need - as it always returns true... Jun 28 14:40:32 k Jun 28 14:40:37 thanks qwerty12_N810 Jun 28 14:40:39 :) Jun 28 14:41:16 tear seems to be extremely fast on many pages, and extremely slow on some pages :/ Jun 28 14:41:55 ShadowJK: i noticed that Jun 28 14:41:57 browserd seems to be more consistent between pages Jun 28 14:42:18 is it just me or is pulling the side things in on fennec too easy? Jun 28 14:42:41 when i was playing with it i was doing it by accident all the time Jun 28 14:42:45 too easy? I couldn't figure out how Jun 28 14:42:56 lol Jun 28 14:43:15 gestures on a screen with multipurposes are evil Jun 28 14:43:27 and counter intruitive Jun 28 14:45:21 no kinetic scrolling seems to come close to how smooth liqbase is Jun 28 14:45:36 fennec on fremantle: you need 12 fingers to operate this machinery, please evolve Jun 28 14:45:44 requiring a thousand gestures for "back" is Jun 28 14:45:47 evil Jun 28 14:45:59 fennec on PC seemed nice enough.. like, the "Back" button is instant. Hope they port that to firefox :-) Jun 28 14:46:02 1 single global button in liqbase - bottom left "back" Jun 28 14:46:23 but on tablet I still prefer browserd and tear Jun 28 14:46:31 im just using the standard browser Jun 28 14:46:33 gets the job done Jun 28 14:46:55 agreed, its a bit sluggish, but it works Jun 28 14:46:57 amr: me too. save for "new web 2.0" slashdot. Jun 28 14:47:17 oh i read about that, isn't it stupidly javascript heavy? Jun 28 14:47:21 from now on, "slowdot" Jun 28 14:47:30 slashnot ;) Jun 28 14:47:34 lol Jun 28 14:47:50 it times out my desktop pc at work Jun 28 14:47:52 well, slashdot is slow on my quad-core computer too... Jun 28 14:48:03 thankfully i dont read slashdot Jun 28 14:48:12 * lcuk does often Jun 28 14:48:16 tho not at work Jun 28 14:48:19 unless compiling Jun 28 14:48:20 :D Jun 28 14:48:25 lol Jun 28 14:48:48 i like the continous front page now Jun 28 14:49:02 i don't Jun 28 14:49:11 it still confuses the heck out me Jun 28 14:49:24 right, back to unpacking Jun 28 14:49:26 did that sentence make any sense? Jun 28 14:49:28 coming home from uni is a pain in the arse Jun 28 14:49:32 this was the first place i saw that effect Jun 28 14:49:33 http://www.dzone.com/links/index.html Jun 28 14:49:38 and it works better there than slash Jun 28 14:49:57 oh thats kinda smart Jun 28 14:50:43 yeah, the site content isnt too bad either :) Jun 28 14:50:45 im looking for a specific headline, scroll bottom, and, since there are no more headlines, click yesterday Jun 28 14:51:09 but guess wait? the headline i'm looking for is not there either! Jun 28 14:51:10 yesterday/today/tomorrow is always confusing because it uses us timezones Jun 28 14:51:26 so having a continuous scroll is worthwhile Jun 28 14:51:38 i dont like the jump when you click the text Jun 28 14:51:46 im a constant random clicker (not on links) Jun 28 14:51:49 why don't people just give up on spam Jun 28 14:51:59 cos its neutricious and nice Jun 28 14:52:01 i mean cmon.. buy cheap rx drugs... watches...? Jun 28 14:52:03 +spelling Jun 28 14:52:10 lcuk: makes finger scrolling in the tablet next to impossible Jun 28 14:52:22 your lost nigerian uncle millionaire who left you money Jun 28 14:52:23 javispedro, thats a point yeah it would Jun 28 14:52:34 Macer, you have one too? Jun 28 14:52:40 lcuk: haha Jun 28 14:52:59 well. i just noticed my gmail acct had like 1200 spams Jun 28 14:53:07 heh is that all :D Jun 28 14:53:12 and they are all so obviously stupid... Jun 28 14:53:20 thats why they are in spam Jun 28 14:53:23 gmail is v good Jun 28 14:53:39 i'm suprised they don't have a show dedicated to going through the spam process to see what becomes of it :) Jun 28 14:53:50 my spam has approx 10000 at any one time Jun 28 14:53:50 like answering the call from the nigerian uncle... buying the rx drugs.. etc Jun 28 14:54:03 hmms Jun 28 14:54:06 yeah. gmail actually blocks a huge chunk of them Jun 28 14:54:07 depending on whos joe jobbed me at different times it rises up over 20-30k sometimes Jun 28 14:54:13 i wonder if vodafone will let me upgrade my handset to an android phone Jun 28 14:54:24 joe jobbd? :) Jun 28 14:54:46 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_job Jun 28 14:55:29 theres a club in santa dominica called "the liquid lounge" or something, they decided to send out a "bulk marketing mail" to probably more people than the entire country Jun 28 14:55:40 my spam folder shot up to over 60k Jun 28 14:56:02 cos hotmail bounced pretty much every one of them back Jun 28 14:56:13 haha Jun 28 14:56:48 i guess anybody will do anything for something huh? Jun 28 14:56:52 yeah lol Jun 28 14:56:57 what a waste of life :) Jun 28 14:56:59 i get the strangest real mails too Jun 28 14:57:24 the nigerian uncle one was great though Jun 28 14:57:31 i got a kick out of that one.. they put a lot of work behind the story :) Jun 28 14:57:35 meant to be sent to [someone].liquid@gmail people just copy and paste, and editors stop at the . Jun 28 14:58:14 Dear Netashia Jun 28 14:58:14 Thank you to give me the opportunity to send you my cv lm looking forwad to your positive respond Jun 28 14:58:14 heh Jun 28 14:58:25 why have you sent me your cv? Jun 28 14:58:26 hahaha Jun 28 14:58:34 Dear Jun 28 14:58:34 Thank you to give me the opportunity to send you my cv lm looking forwad to your positive respond Jun 28 14:58:42 Since you did not listen the first time. Jun 28 14:58:42 what a great CV. Jun 28 14:58:42 You can have the job. Jun 28 14:58:42 Come to my office in Manchester, England by 9am on Monday morning and work for me. Jun 28 14:58:42 How much do you expect to be paid per day? Jun 28 14:58:54 lol! Jun 28 14:59:00 you didn't :) Jun 28 14:59:14 im expecting them to start in the morning! Jun 28 14:59:22 lol Jun 28 14:59:26 hahhahaha Jun 28 14:59:29 commute will be long though, hes from south africa Jun 28 14:59:34 that's just cold blooded man Jun 28 14:59:40 what if someone actually went? :) Jun 28 14:59:45 did she have any experience in computing? Jun 28 14:59:55 it's ok. they can call their nigerian uncle to send them some cash to get back Jun 28 15:00:05 zulu actually Jun 28 15:00:16 with no criminal record Jun 28 15:00:32 lol Jun 28 15:00:54 first employee of the month in "liquid enterprises" then I guess ;) Jun 28 15:01:14 anybody that puts "no criminal record" on a cv :) Jun 28 15:01:18 should never get the job haha Jun 28 15:01:26 i guess you need to depending on location Jun 28 15:01:41 i wouldnt mark someone down if they did that Jun 28 15:01:49 especially if they came from a high crime area Jun 28 15:02:10 slightly different expectations and stuff Jun 28 15:02:10 lol i would throw it in the garbage Jun 28 15:02:20 hes only one person tho, i get regular cvs Jun 28 15:02:23 good news! i was never arrested! Jun 28 15:02:46 haha.. isn't that just something you're supposed to do? :) i'm sure a small criminal background check would dig anything up rather quickly Jun 28 15:02:51 and normally they understand and find the correct address, i dont want them wasting their time Jun 28 15:02:55 although i've seen some people make it through the cracks. Jun 28 15:03:05 our company hired a child predator Jun 28 15:03:06 lol Jun 28 15:03:19 later on someone was going through the registry just joking around putting people's names in Jun 28 15:03:24 and his name popped up for real! Jun 28 15:03:26 :S depends if the job was catching children Jun 28 15:03:38 lol... he was a child sexual predator Jun 28 15:03:49 who fled to IL and didn't register as an offender Jun 28 15:03:52 then not good at all Jun 28 15:03:54 went to jail :) Jun 28 15:04:14 should have certain bodily organs removed if you ask me Jun 28 15:04:18 the idiot went to change his car registration Jun 28 15:04:25 like liver, heart... Jun 28 15:04:28 from KY to IL and got red flagged haha Jun 28 15:04:45 left the state without letting them know... then didn't register in IL :) Jun 28 15:05:00 sorry bastard.. we took copies of his pervert file and posted it all over the place Jun 28 15:05:25 you would get flagged, but if you serve your time and you dont try to work anywhere requiring background checks people should be able to work Jun 28 15:05:47 technically you shouldnt be doing that either i dont think Jun 28 15:05:51 lcuk: screw that. i don't want a registered pervert Jun 28 15:06:03 especially someone with access to information like.. what hours you work.. how many children you have.. etc Jun 28 15:06:28 then your job needs correct background checks Jun 28 15:06:32 i agree Jun 28 15:06:46 i will give a break to say.. the guy who had sex with a 16 yr old when he was 17 or 18 Jun 28 15:07:01 you wouldnt get past the first red flag on the db Jun 28 15:07:05 but not the 30something yr old who was "sexual abuse of a child less than 14 years of age" Jun 28 15:07:12 5 years after the fact it doesnt matter why Jun 28 15:07:26 the entire life it doesn't matter why Jun 28 15:07:27 i dont think its disclosed about severity Jun 28 15:07:39 lcuk: it is to some extent Jun 28 15:07:50 the registry will tell you if someone abused a child under a certain age Jun 28 15:07:58 or if they are a "sexual predator" Jun 28 15:08:01 people over here have been put on the sexual offenders registry for shagging innanimate objects Jun 28 15:08:08 which means they prey on abusing children or their crime was as such Jun 28 15:08:43 http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/10/26/bike_incident/ Jun 28 15:08:54 either way it goes. i would always refuse to hire someone that is on the registry Jun 28 15:09:10 they can go to hell for all i care. which is where they will wind up :) Jun 28 15:09:57 some states invoke the death penalty for raping children Jun 28 15:09:57 that guy who had a purely loving relationship with his bike in the privacy of his living room will never have a decent job again Jun 28 15:09:58 how about a 16yo going into sex offender registry for having sex with his 16yo gf? Jun 28 15:10:13 Stskeeps: lol Jun 28 15:10:14 Macer, totally agree Jun 28 15:10:16 is that possible? Jun 28 15:10:18 yes Jun 28 15:10:27 Macer: according to us news it is Jun 28 15:10:28 wtf? :) Jun 28 15:10:49 if I uninstall libasound-dev on my home pc and try to build portaudio which would need it and I would build.. this would mean that my static package would work, right? Jun 28 15:10:53 someone was mentioning for crime purposes it shouldnt be the age of the perps, but the age difference Jun 28 15:10:57 did he rape her? Jun 28 15:11:02 technically yes Jun 28 15:11:14 How about the 16yo girl who sent naked pictures of herself to her 16yo boyfriend. Jun 28 15:11:16 * thopiekar can't wait trying his new package this way out Jun 28 15:11:18 :P Jun 28 15:11:24 She's a sex offender. Jun 28 15:11:52 thank god for sane danish age of consent Jun 28 15:12:11 Macer, a flag on a database does not indicate the severity of the crime Jun 28 15:12:15 lol Jun 28 15:12:25 lcuk: it depends on teh crime Jun 28 15:12:25 Macer, the shit you can do to get on that list is . . . frightening. Jun 28 15:12:29 i will be back in a few Jun 28 15:12:44 and show you a registry that shows certain aspects of disgustingness Jun 28 15:12:45 :) Jun 28 15:12:49 bbl Jun 28 15:12:54 Taking a piss in public within half a mile of a school at any time of dat? Jun 28 15:12:54 macer, you are on the register or you are not Jun 28 15:13:02 s/dat/day/ Jun 28 15:13:02 GAN800 meant: Taking a piss in public within half a mile of a school at any time of day? Jun 28 15:13:18 Macer, absolutism is rarely useful. Jun 28 15:13:22 now that impressed me, infobot Jun 28 15:13:23 what if you are stood just outside the 1/2 mile radius but the wind blows? Jun 28 15:13:49 s/infobot/$RANDOM_BOT Jun 28 15:13:55 s/infobot/$RANDOM_BOT/ Jun 28 15:13:56 javispedro meant: s/$RANDOM_BOT/$RANDOM_BOT Jun 28 15:14:02 you need to learn regex Jun 28 15:14:17 I seriously do :( lol Jun 28 15:14:41 ~seen b-man16 Jun 28 15:14:42 b-man16 was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 11h 22m 18s ago, saying: 'i think that it requires enabling some functions in the kernel'. Jun 28 15:14:48 :P Jun 28 15:14:53 wait. I do know regex. i just do not know sed or awk or whatever syntax that is Jun 28 15:16:33 nobody on #alsa is replying soo.. do you know where to set up LDFLAGS="-Lalsa-lib/xy".. there is a include folder in alsa-lib... Jun 28 15:16:50 is this the right folder.. Jun 28 15:17:03 I just think so, but not sure.. Jun 28 15:17:20 does it contain libasound.a Jun 28 15:17:28 Stskeeps: have you had success using dummy_umac to build diablo's cx3110x? tried it y/day and I couldn't get it to work... thinking of using Mamona's patch to take the symbols from umac.ko Jun 28 15:17:35 s/.a/.a?/ Jun 28 15:17:35 javispedro meant: does it contain libasound.a? Jun 28 15:18:19 javispedro: no just asoundlib.h Jun 28 15:20:12 qwerty12_N810: i thought thats what we're doing Jun 28 15:20:19 thopiekar: did you put LDFLAGS="BLABLA" before ./configure in debian/rules Jun 28 15:21:10 which ./configure? the one of portaudio19 or alsa-lib? Jun 28 15:21:26 http://www.dilbert.com/fast/2009-05-25/ Jun 28 15:21:33 the one which should use that LDFLAGS which I assume is portaudio Jun 28 15:21:55 Stskeeps: give me the url of the en .po file you want translated :) Jun 28 15:22:25 yes I do Jun 28 15:23:07 but I think I have to remove the installed package libasound-dev from my pc Jun 28 15:23:27 but there's no libasound.a file there.. did the asound build finish? Jun 28 15:23:28 s/libasound-dev/libasound2-dev Jun 28 15:23:53 should.. Jun 28 15:23:59 thopiekar, you are really confusing matters by just trying to merge all 3 Jun 28 15:24:14 whatever you do now it wont get past autobuilder Jun 28 15:24:29 you said you have built the newer asound Jun 28 15:24:35 and that it is in -devel Jun 28 15:25:00 as a packaged up simple normal thing Jun 28 15:25:41 wha? there's now a newer libasound in extras-devel? Jun 28 15:25:57 free device bricking for everyone interested! Jun 28 15:26:23 javispedro: believe me, that was the case for a while =) Jun 28 15:26:42 if you just want it working on your personal device, best is to just build packages directly within each project, and use dpkg -i to install in places Jun 28 15:27:01 using scratchbox and clean source Jun 28 15:27:05 then copy them over Jun 28 15:27:40 but but but but won't installing that probably instatly mute the device? Jun 28 15:27:53 or did he build that from maemo sources? Jun 28 15:27:59 thopiekar is a pro Jun 28 15:28:12 lol Jun 28 15:28:16 not really.. Jun 28 15:28:32 and its a lesson if thats the case Jun 28 15:28:40 at least he will know its not possible lol Jun 28 15:29:22 who wants to try on his n8x0 and get a free reflash as first prize? Jun 28 15:29:41 but I already have upload a newer one.. and jeremiah contacted me after a month with the result of removing it from -devel Jun 28 15:29:44 thopiekar, really the best way to get it working is to break your problem into smaller chunks and get over each step. this merging you are attempting is like human surgery using a butter knife and UHU glue Jun 28 15:29:54 dont upload it Jun 28 15:30:00 just copy the package to your device Jun 28 15:30:04 :P never again.. Jun 28 15:30:11 upload only when you are ready to show others Jun 28 15:31:09 ah, so it was removed Jun 28 15:31:57 javispedro: yes that why you can find a broken package of portaudio19 in -devel.. Jun 28 15:32:21 aha Jun 28 15:33:13 :P this was mine.. compiled with the newer version of asound.. Jun 28 15:33:26 just wanna replace it with a static one.. Jun 28 15:33:35 but the newer version of libasound didn't work Jun 28 15:34:00 it's not going to work either if it's statically linked Jun 28 15:34:23 they have a kde pkg for opensolaris Jun 28 15:34:26 awesome Jun 28 15:34:36 i need to seriously get rid of gnome :) Jun 28 15:34:39 it is driving me nuts Jun 28 15:34:43 sure? portaudio should work fine.. said Math, a user of #mixxx.. Jun 28 15:36:24 Macer: And what are you going to use instead? =) Jun 28 15:36:35 kde Jun 28 15:36:38 :) Jun 28 15:36:42 Is it better? =)~ Jun 28 15:36:53 it is prettier Jun 28 15:37:03 * RST38h always thought KDE was very successful in emulating Windows Jun 28 15:37:09 it is Jun 28 15:37:10 TOO successful, I mean :) Jun 28 15:37:13 it is like the vista that doesn't suck Jun 28 15:37:17 i know Jun 28 15:37:27 i always figured there were coders in the ms basement pumping it out Jun 28 15:37:40 Dunno, I found KDE too heavy and imposing Jun 28 15:37:43 screw the man.. we are going to make windows our way! Jun 28 15:37:50 heavy? Jun 28 15:37:51 Gnome did not feel like anything though, so I went with Gnome Jun 28 15:38:03 and imposing? :) Jun 28 15:38:14 gnome is like symbian Jun 28 15:38:25 i suppose yeah it works.. but it is stuck in the past with its looks and feels Jun 28 15:38:29 yet again i got off Jun 28 15:39:04 i mean if i was stuck with an sx25 still i'd use blackbox or something and take the minimalist route. but cmon.. you can build a real nice box for less than $600 nowadays :) Jun 28 15:39:08 who cares if something is bulky Jun 28 15:39:09 * thopiekar is driving crazy it seem to work Jun 28 15:39:15 thopiekar: so you'll need to either hack portaudio or hack the maemo version of libasound.. or both Jun 28 15:39:16 still compiling now.. Jun 28 15:39:17 terabyte hard drives cost $150 heh Jun 28 15:40:26 plus.. kde apps seem a lot more uniform Jun 28 15:40:34 like having OK and CANCEL in the same place Jun 28 15:40:38 :) Jun 28 15:40:49 qt looks nicer than gtk Jun 28 15:40:53 wooohhooo the portaudio19-xy packages are mine! Jun 28 15:49:26 Macer: and its easier to make gui's with pyqt4 for python :) Jun 28 15:50:06 ugh python Jun 28 15:50:35 Macer: hm? Jun 28 15:50:52 lol... Sun is the new enron Jun 28 15:51:15 "Membership in the Sun Developer Network is like having your own ALLACCESS Backstage Pass inside Sun!" Jun 28 15:54:06 * thopiekar is reinstalling the maemoDiabloSDK Jun 28 15:54:42 Employees approx. 22,000 in 2000 Jun 28 15:54:51 approx. 4 as of 2008. Jun 28 15:54:51 hahah! Jun 28 15:54:58 who are the last 4 remaining enron employees?? Jun 28 15:55:14 rusty the janitor? Jun 28 15:56:06 s/rusty/scruffy/ Jun 28 15:56:07 javispedro meant: scruffy the janitor? Jun 28 15:56:23 can't even get futurama references ok Jun 28 15:57:41 javispedro, don't you mean "can't even get futurama references right" ? Jun 28 15:58:00 probably, thanks :p Jun 28 15:58:04 :D Jun 28 15:58:38 Macer, those 4 employees are shredder repair men Jun 28 16:01:48 do you know btw. why pci-card isn't working after a mainboard upgrade? Jun 28 16:02:05 hi! I have written program, wich uses gst library. On desktop the program works, on maemo - not Jun 28 16:02:06 ? Jun 28 16:02:43 javispedro: thanks btw, just got a working cx3110x built using your patch Jun 28 16:04:07 qwerty12: nice to know :) Jun 28 16:04:14 just upgraded to a ASUS-M3N78-EM ( plus AMD Phenom II 4x3GHz and 4GB RAM) and I can't get my multicard, with DVB-T, DVB-S, analog TV and a modem modul in it, fully working ... Jun 28 16:04:21 :) Jun 28 16:04:32 when I plug it in I just have DVB-T in kaffeine.. Jun 28 16:05:05 nobody is replying to me at ubuntuusers.de weeks along Jun 28 16:05:29 thopiekar, use a livecd and see if it works from there Jun 28 16:05:37 so do you know how to fix that or do you know where to get professionsal help?! Jun 28 16:05:38 try to rule out software problem and find as much info as possile Jun 28 16:05:45 i guess you're lucky to have dvb-t at all :d Jun 28 16:05:57 hiya LinuxCode \o Jun 28 16:06:03 hi ;-D Jun 28 16:06:05 three years I had to wait for my a16d card to be supported Jun 28 16:06:13 you back in uk now? Jun 28 16:06:18 just wrapped up FUDcon Jun 28 16:06:20 javispedro: the dvb-t quality isn't that well here, soo.. Jun 28 16:06:24 no , still in Berlin Jun 28 16:06:32 I will be in Germany for another two weeks Jun 28 16:06:34 LinuxCode: hi :) Jun 28 16:06:37 flying somehwere else tomorrow Jun 28 16:06:40 lucky you Jun 28 16:06:41 allo thopiekar Jun 28 16:06:58 lcuk, you wouldnt say that, if you would know of all the things I have to take care of Jun 28 16:07:14 unlucky you! Jun 28 16:07:24 lol thanks ;p Jun 28 16:07:38 heh, did you get a good response at the conf then? Jun 28 16:07:56 yeh, was good fun Jun 28 16:08:09 and I think people enjoyed it Jun 28 16:08:23 qwerty12: i remember doing something else to wpa_supplicant. i'm not sure but I think the problem was with hidden aps. i am telling in case you're wondering through the horrible mess of my code ;) Jun 28 16:08:32 most of us are leaving Berlin tomorrow Jun 28 16:08:33 did you do any presenting Jun 28 16:08:42 or were you organising Jun 28 16:08:59 lcuk, I was organizing, keeping the booth going Jun 28 16:09:09 and anything else that popped up Jun 28 16:09:19 javispedro: oh, trust me, I have no room to talk wrt cleanliness of code :D Jun 28 16:09:25 so you were too much of a shit to get on stage :P Jun 28 16:09:28 Macer: I am a conservative kind of guy. Like to use stuff I am used to. Jun 28 16:09:34 Macer: So Gnome kinda works Jun 28 16:09:52 SYN RST38h Jun 28 16:11:00 * thopiekar is thinking about buying a 24h internet-flat for 1,99€/month for his Nokia N95 to get with his tablet sometimes online.. Jun 28 16:11:27 actually, i'm impressed i've seen the whole mess crash only twice in the four months or so i've been using it Jun 28 16:12:06 EHLO, lcuk, EHLO Jun 28 16:12:08 but i'm sure it will if you do something out of what I've debugged Jun 28 16:12:18 qwerty12_N810, your code is clean and complete. you even spell checked "northerner" :D Jun 28 16:13:02 and I've debugged (mostly) a single defined IAP with hidden ssid Jun 28 16:13:04 Now, why would I want to do that, really? :P Jun 28 16:13:07 * thopiekar is going to reboot now for checking out his tunercard from ubuntu'S livecd... Jun 28 16:13:13 see you later :) Jun 28 16:13:17 ^^^ lcuk Jun 28 16:13:47 wait, was it landscape most fremantle apps won't do, or portrait? Jun 28 16:14:08 Stskeeps: portrait is reserved for special cases (i.e. probably phone mode) Jun 28 16:14:15 most are landscape so far Jun 28 16:14:20 k Jun 28 16:14:38 hello all. quick question... can I develop a google maps application on the n810 with python? Jun 28 16:14:44 so you were too much of a shit to get on stage :P Jun 28 16:14:48 i dunno, can you? Jun 28 16:14:48 I can do presentations Jun 28 16:14:54 qwerty12_N810 :P Jun 28 16:14:58 :D Jun 28 16:15:03 just finding a topic to talk about is the problem Jun 28 16:15:07 LinuxCode, better than me then Jun 28 16:15:13 tds5016: possible, but maemo mapper already exists Jun 28 16:15:15 what I mean (before battery goes flat): if you're going to try libicd-network-wpa and you define more than one WPA IAP, it'll crash Jun 28 16:15:19 as in ..one Im really into and that makes sense to present Jun 28 16:15:27 if it doesn't, you're a lucky man Jun 28 16:15:29 Stskeeps, I have other purposes than to simply map... Jun 28 16:16:00 Stskeeps, is there an google maps api for python somewhere? Jun 28 16:16:11 if there is it wont be maemo specific Jun 28 16:16:17 maybe i am being overly pessimistic lol Jun 28 16:16:49 lcuk, the only reason I'm wandering is that I'm not sure how to add python modules to the n810.haha. Jun 28 16:17:15 find an executable section, copy on chmod to +x and get jiggy with it Jun 28 16:18:21 hope that wasn't a crasg Jun 28 16:18:29 s/crasg/crash/ Jun 28 16:18:30 javispedro meant: hope that wasn't a crash Jun 28 16:18:34 hahaha, nice terminology. haha. Jun 28 16:19:21 seriously, the first time you run a python mod on maemo, will smith plays. Jun 28 16:20:13 plays what? ;-) Jun 28 16:22:35 tds5016, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0 Jun 28 16:22:42 uh oh Jun 28 16:23:22 * lcuk really has http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIduOvEoVeQ on :D Jun 28 16:23:24 oh snap! Jun 28 16:23:51 that needs to be made into a real virus Jun 28 16:23:57 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbaTur4A1OU Jun 28 16:24:00 i crashed the infobot Jun 28 16:24:15 to whom I need to apologise? Jun 28 16:24:41 noone, when he comes back he will kick your ass Jun 28 16:24:48 either that or he had to go Jun 28 16:25:07 i'm pretty sure it was me Jun 28 16:25:11 lol Jun 28 16:25:25 guilty concience! Jun 28 16:25:31 someone prolly made him have a botfight Jun 28 16:25:41 and got him kicked for flooding ;) Jun 28 16:26:40 i pm'd him, asking for my karma (to see if it was magically synchronized with maemo.org's) Jun 28 16:26:51 then he froze Jun 28 16:27:00 * infobot has quit (Excess Flood) Jun 28 16:27:03 so I asked for help... 3 times in a row Jun 28 16:27:06 now since he didnt flood you Jun 28 16:27:09 qwerty12, how's that keyboard, you vkb whore? Jun 28 16:27:10 then he timedout Jun 28 16:27:19 and flooded me with help Jun 28 16:27:26 or so I guess Jun 28 16:27:39 GAN800: a relief on the whole :P Jun 28 16:29:02 ah, here he is Jun 28 16:31:46 javispedro: I've installed the patched cx3110x, osso-wlan, wpa-supplicant, your module into /usr/lib/icd2 and imported your gconf settings. Do I have to configure a connection to use your icd module by configuring it manually in GConf? :) Jun 28 16:32:23 yes Jun 28 16:32:40 Aha, thanks Jun 28 16:33:06 is there a sample on my repo? Jun 28 16:33:27 if not i'll upload my current eduroam config Jun 28 16:33:55 I can't see one Jun 28 16:38:34 http://pastebin.com/d3156556a Jun 28 16:38:46 here you have Jun 28 16:39:03 Thank you Jun 28 16:39:22 wpa_* keys are passed to wpa_supp via dbus Jun 28 16:43:14 i plan to write a wpa_supp.conf to gconf xml converter eventually Jun 28 16:43:34 ideally a proper ui could actually be written Jun 28 16:43:50 and (seems) integrated with icd2 panel applet Jun 28 16:44:04 where in /proc or /sys can i find listed the cpu freq of the NIT proc? Jun 28 16:44:14 /proc/cpuinfo doesn't seem to have it :) Jun 28 16:45:00 something like /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/...blah Jun 28 16:45:32 ahh yeah Jun 28 17:21:04 qwerty12: did it work? Jun 28 17:22:21 javispedro: no, I can't get the connection to appear in the list:) Jun 28 17:22:38 damn Jun 28 17:23:10 does it appear in the configured list? Jun 28 17:23:14 yep Jun 28 17:23:41 with the adhoc icon? Jun 28 17:23:51 yep :) Jun 28 17:24:29 ~seen florian Jun 28 17:24:30 florian was last seen on IRC in channel #oe, 20h 58m 11s ago, saying: 'Soopaman: just a few devices to show off - some evalboards, pico beamer and laser keyboard'. Jun 28 17:26:15 I may have messed up in the compiling of the icd2 module (took the shortcut way when it said it couldn't find wlancond-supp.h which was to copy it into .. and change the include to "wlancond-supp.h") so I'll have another crack tomorrow :) Jun 28 17:26:41 yes, i noticed that , but I don't think that's the culprit Jun 28 17:27:05 CFLAGS contains DDEBUG Jun 28 17:27:17 so if you launch icd2 from terminal you'll see nots of loise in stderr Jun 28 17:28:12 if you don't then the library is not being loaded Jun 28 17:28:18 Ah, ok, thanks Jun 28 17:31:29 btw, what's with tmo saying I'm "Michael J Charland" Jun 28 17:31:43 s/tmo/maemo.org/ Jun 28 17:31:43 javispedro meant: btw, what's with maemo.org saying I'm "Michael J Charland" Jun 28 17:31:57 http://maemo.org/community/maemo-developers/libicd-network-wpa/ 's first post Jun 28 17:33:27 are you not? :P Jun 28 17:33:44 nope Jun 28 17:33:51 but then it gets it right in the next posts Jun 28 17:34:20 hi all Jun 28 17:35:48 lcuk: I|m now logged in my livecd ala kubuntu but it|s kaffeine shows me just DVB-T , too.. Jun 28 17:35:56 what can I do now_ Jun 28 17:39:33 qwerty12_N810, nothing yet? Jun 28 17:40:40 javispedro: no, it doesn't look like it's being loaded by icd Jun 28 17:48:10 Goddamn Symbian has to be the worst software platform I've ever used. Jun 28 17:48:15 No wonder Maemo sucks so much Jun 28 17:48:20 It's all those Symbian idiots. Jun 28 17:48:34 lol Jun 28 17:48:39 GeneralAntilles: people coming from symbian thinks maemo is a breeze Jun 28 17:48:44 that says something about symbian Jun 28 17:48:47 i concur about symbian sucking dick Jun 28 17:48:56 i have the nokia 6210 navigator Jun 28 17:49:08 i've never known something so unstable Jun 28 17:49:09 The new touchscreen XM has all these new features Jun 28 17:49:14 That I'm quite certain the 5800 will never see Jun 28 17:49:20 Especially the 5800 NAM Jun 28 17:49:58 The Maps 3.0 "updater" is a Windows-only application that installs a .sis Jun 28 17:50:07 Dunno why it can't be done on the phone Jun 28 17:50:10 or requires Windows Jun 28 17:50:26 Tried to buy a Maps subscription earlier Jun 28 17:50:35 But, apparently, Nokia doesn't want my money. Jun 28 17:50:48 Unresolvable credit card error. Jun 28 17:51:01 I can only imagine the sort of brain damage people who like this platform have. Jun 28 17:51:25 The reality seems to be: every mobile platform is a disgrace. Jun 28 17:51:51 iPhone OS sucks, Android sucks, Symbian sucks, WinMob sucks, WebOS sucks, Maemo sucks. Jun 28 17:52:02 GeneralAntilles: so you want a windows xp phone you say Jun 28 17:52:21 iphones are so much it hype it is rather ridiculous Jun 28 17:52:30 one thing i am sort of jealous of though Jun 28 17:52:35 their kinetic scrolling is done well Jun 28 17:52:36 qwerty12_N810: well I don't really have a checklist of things to test :P but e.g. is theconfigured network type still "WLAN_WPA" , is the library in /usr/lib/icd2/libicd_network_wpa.so (as specified in /system/osso/connectivity/network_type/WLAN_WPA/network_modules ... Jun 28 17:52:38 GeneralAntilles: s/mobile// Jun 28 17:52:53 what about service provider proprietary mobile OSs? Jun 28 17:52:56 Stskeeps, honestly, I've had an easier time with XP than Symbian. Jun 28 17:53:01 Firebird, don't be redundant. Jun 28 17:53:20 they work pretty well and do what they're meant to Jun 28 17:53:32 Jaffa, well, at least PC stuff doesn't continuously impede any sort of productive activity as I use it. Jun 28 17:53:36 GeneralAntilles, you forgot "PalmOS sucks" :) Jun 28 17:53:47 javispedro, no need to mention outdated stuff Jun 28 17:53:56 Newton OS sucks, too, if we're going to start listing that. Jun 28 17:53:58 GeneralAntilles: Tried developing over Oracle recently? (Days lost last week due to its braindead '' == null behaviour) Jun 28 17:53:59 whatd be super is ui design consistency Jun 28 17:54:05 GeneralAntilles: you might like Palm Pre Jun 28 17:54:19 Gah, I need to brush up on my matrix maths for this accelerometer application Jun 28 17:54:28 Jaffa, no, and it's also probably related to simply having gotten used to OS X and XP's suckiness. Jun 28 17:54:29 Another operating systems war? Jun 28 17:54:36 RST38h, everything sucks. Jun 28 17:54:40 Stskeeps, doubtful Jun 28 17:54:44 Can't agree more. Jun 28 17:54:48 javispedro: yes and yes :P - no worries, I'll just wait for an official release or something :D. Thanks for your help Jun 28 17:54:51 Except for the bees of course. Jun 28 17:54:56 Crappy screen resolution is where it begins, and I can only see it getting worse. Jun 28 17:55:04 Somehow WebOS manages to make a Cortex A8 feel slow. Jun 28 17:55:15 what are you suggesting Jun 28 17:55:26 Firebird, kill everyone and everything. Jun 28 17:55:34 qwerty12_N810, thanks to you. i'd prefer i we'd managed to get it to work but seems I'm forgetting something or whatever Jun 28 17:55:35 GAN: You got to handle a Palm Pre? Jun 28 17:55:57 RST38h, yeah, stopped by a Sprint store last week for a few minutes. Jun 28 17:56:09 Felt pretty slick, but it's not as responsive as the 3G S. Jun 28 17:56:18 cause I tough everything would be on a email discussion I had with a fellow Maemo user about it Jun 28 17:56:20 but seems not Jun 28 17:56:25 Which screams. Jun 28 17:56:31 so that means I'll have to do more work for release Jun 28 17:56:49 so that means release will be posponed again :P lol Jun 28 17:56:51 GAN: well, it is done in html :) Jun 28 17:56:54 and javascript Jun 28 17:56:57 Right Jun 28 17:58:30 I want to put this phone in a blender and ship it back to Nokia. Jun 28 17:59:41 * thopiekar is logging out of the livecd and rebooting his pc now... Jun 28 17:59:52 see you soon xD Jun 28 17:59:54 5800 is bothering you again? Jun 28 18:00:41 You are aware that Nokia Care will not return the blender back to you, aren't you? Jun 28 18:00:42 RST38h, yes. Jun 28 18:00:52 YET AGAIN clicked yesterday on the slashdot frontpage only to find it was today's newsline but not-yet-loaded-by-the-slow-javascript Jun 28 18:01:04 RST38h, they can keep it. Maybe they can use it to chop up the rest of the Symbian abominations. Jun 28 18:01:22 javispedro: hint: do not go to slashdot.org, use Google RSS reader for iPhone UI Jun 28 18:01:39 GAN: What is the problem with 5800 anyway? Jun 28 18:01:45 RST38h, everything, Jun 28 18:02:02 Ours feels pretty good, except that BT broke, so it needs a visit to the service center Jun 28 18:02:06 crappy software that doesn't work or doesn't work as intended, no software updates, no feature updates Jun 28 18:02:17 I wanted to buy a Maps subscription, but can't Jun 28 18:02:23 software updates are there, up to v21 now Jun 28 18:02:27 Credit card error that has no solutions. Jun 28 18:02:37 RST38h, no, there's not. Jun 28 18:02:40 feature updates nokia never does Jun 28 18:02:46 No software updates for the NAM model, apparently. Jun 28 18:02:52 GAN: But there is! At least for the .RU model Jun 28 18:03:02 Which was advertised as a feature when I bought the phone. Jun 28 18:03:28 It's well and truly the shittiest mobile platform I've ever used. Jun 28 18:03:37 GAN: Ok, let me check something, maybe the firmware update part can be fixed Jun 28 18:03:42 No, it can't Jun 28 18:03:49 I've wasted HOURS of my life trying to fix it. Jun 28 18:03:54 GAN: I hope you are not trying to use Nokia Download, Ovi Store, NGage, etc? Jun 28 18:04:07 GAN: Because all these should be deleted right away Jun 28 18:04:22 No Jun 28 18:04:35 I'm trying to use it for some of the things that are advertised on the box Jun 28 18:04:41 None of which work Jun 28 18:04:41 As? Jun 28 18:04:52 Ovi Store, for all the hype, is a horrifying abortion, though. Jun 28 18:05:04 Like we did not expect that... Jun 28 18:05:17 Phone text/voice, data, web, Maps, etc. Jun 28 18:05:29 all this stuff works for my wife Jun 28 18:05:47 the ecommerce crap I deleted right away Jun 28 18:06:01 RST38h, good for her. Jun 28 18:06:33 5800 NAM is up to version 20.2.014, right? Jun 28 18:06:53 javispedro: dunno what happened but it works! Thank you very much :) Jun 28 18:07:06 RST38h, whatever it shipped with, since there are no software updates. Jun 28 18:07:14 glad to hear that Jun 28 18:07:32 Ok, let us check. Dial *#0000# and check what it says Jun 28 18:07:40 test if the wpa_supplicant process exists, just in case Jun 28 18:07:44 or is that a PAP network? Jun 28 18:07:50 Just out of academic curiosity, ok? Jun 28 18:08:30 Maps 3.0 still doesn't want to subscribe. Jun 28 18:08:33 javispedro: yep, I was checking to see if wpa_supplicant was running and it was Jun 28 18:08:43 :) Jun 28 18:08:44 Ah fuck their subscription, not worth it Jun 28 18:09:18 2.2.014 Jun 28 18:09:26 s/2/20/ Jun 28 18:09:26 GeneralAntilles meant: 20.2.014 Jun 28 18:09:40 (that's just because the first time I though I got it working was because the icd configure ui tends to "switch" network type sometimes and had change it to WLAN_INFRA, so it worked, but without using the supplicant :P ) Jun 28 18:09:43 GAN: Ok. Your firmware is fine. It was released around March 15 Jun 28 18:09:55 gah. can't write without a spell checker Jun 28 18:10:07 GAN: Slightly older than 1 month, not bad really Jun 28 18:10:48 Ah shit my math sucks :) Jun 28 18:10:56 Mistook March for May Jun 28 18:12:48 .RU version is up to 21.0.025, you are basically missing one major version number Jun 28 18:14:20 There's absolutely no reason I should be. Jun 28 18:15:00 GAN: Correct. Do you want directions on how to turn your RM-428 device into RM-356 and install 21.x.x ? Jun 28 18:15:15 No Jun 28 18:15:22 I want an N900, honestly. Jun 28 18:15:29 Not feeling adventurous? ;) Jun 28 18:15:39 Don't we all... Jun 28 18:15:46 Sell this phone to somebody with either the limited requirements or constitution to handle it. Jun 28 18:16:34 i'm starting to want a tablet-phone too Jun 28 18:16:53 it's weird since a few months ago I would have called myself crazy for saying that Jun 28 18:17:09 Dunno, I am not finding 5800 offensive enough to get rid of it Jun 28 18:17:18 I mean, compared to some OTHER phones.. :) Jun 28 18:24:02 javispedro, i want an always connected remote link to my pinboard :) Jun 28 18:24:13 pinboard? Jun 28 18:24:38 the one on the wall at the side of me Jun 28 18:24:44 as in bulletin board? Jun 28 18:24:48 with papers stuck to it and a calendar Jun 28 18:24:54 did you try a webcam? :D Jun 28 18:25:01 oh Jun 28 18:25:03 and a robotic arm to pin new notes Jun 28 18:25:06 i cant write with a webcam Jun 28 18:25:16 easy Jun 28 18:25:36 scribble it, send it to a remote printer near your pinboard and then develop a robotic arm to pin it Jun 28 18:26:20 http://liquid.zapto.org/liqbase_river.php?username=lcuk :) Jun 28 18:26:29 or "virtualize" your pinboard now that it seems all the future has in store is virtualization, more virtualization Jun 28 18:27:07 you got me Jun 28 18:27:16 how much is that application going to cost in the iphone store? Jun 28 18:27:32 iphone? Jun 28 18:27:39 i stopped finger painting yours ago Jun 28 18:27:59 doesn't matter, i am sure that with a little marketing you can still sell it there Jun 28 18:28:01 :D Jun 28 18:28:12 and make money!! Jun 28 18:28:13 it will allow sketches photos screenshots and notes Jun 28 18:28:38 that remembers me of clie organizer Jun 28 18:28:48 but its live Jun 28 18:28:54 as i make sketches they are uploaded Jun 28 18:29:06 lcuk: I'm back again and there where no differences between my normal os and the livecd.. Jun 28 18:29:11 its faster than paper :) Jun 28 18:29:16 any other suggestions? Jun 28 18:29:27 it's a nice idea indeed Jun 28 18:29:33 thopiekar, sorry, but that moves it back from user error to either drivers or hardware Jun 28 18:29:51 hmm Jun 28 18:29:53 javispedro, and with the rendering engine of liqbase underneath it it will work well as well Jun 28 18:30:06 do you know a good place to get help? Jun 28 18:30:09 hmm Jun 28 18:30:12 i'm imagining Jun 28 18:30:16 liqbase calendar app Jun 28 18:30:20 with a nicely done custom web app Jun 28 18:30:24 syncing seamlessly Jun 28 18:30:28 :) Jun 28 18:30:30 *orgasm* Jun 28 18:30:46 lol Jun 28 18:30:46 day20090708.sketch Jun 28 18:30:53 cal entries are uploaded like that Jun 28 18:31:00 they are just sketches Jun 28 18:31:07 i dunno about that Jun 28 18:31:32 i am used to events being "data" (with text, repeating rules and all that) Jun 28 18:31:39 download the related sketch, drop it in your calendar and allow overlaying Jun 28 18:31:41 and sketches being and aftertough Jun 28 18:31:46 after tough Jun 28 18:31:48 thats your tough shit then lol Jun 28 18:31:48 arg Jun 28 18:31:53 im used to a wall calendar and pen Jun 28 18:32:06 and that's nice Jun 28 18:32:11 and me and the missus understand a star in the corner Jun 28 18:32:18 but sketches should be overlayed Jun 28 18:32:22 over a base "static" calendar with Jun 28 18:32:24 yeah thats easy Jun 28 18:32:25 holidays Jun 28 18:32:27 birthdays Jun 28 18:32:27 the engine is live Jun 28 18:32:27 etc. Jun 28 18:32:40 can do all sorts of "real" calendar stuff Jun 28 18:32:47 i just want sketches personally tho :) Jun 28 18:33:03 I want both things Jun 28 18:33:16 yeah Jun 28 18:33:17 (please note that I'm expressing my opinion on this and should not influence your future nice products) Jun 28 18:33:18 i know :) Jun 28 18:33:31 I see myself Jun 28 18:33:36 editing my timetables on my computer Jun 28 18:33:48 sending them to the tablet as the "base, static" calendar Jun 28 18:33:50 a nice little area to indicate/highlight ical entries would be decent Jun 28 18:33:58 then drawing exams, tests, whatever I feel over it Jun 28 18:34:01 but i dont care much for the format and havent got the time to implement it Jun 28 18:34:20 with the computer' calendar getting updated in the process Jun 28 18:34:39 computer calendar wouldnt know how to handle sketch notes Jun 28 18:34:51 so would b better to just have me listening for icals Jun 28 18:35:04 and keep them kinda seperate but showing shared info Jun 28 18:35:31 it can be a custom app too, "trying" to emulate liqbase but using slow gtk calls or whatever Jun 28 18:36:11 should be a "big but static screen" into the live calendar Jun 28 18:36:17 javispedro, khertan has a really good calendar manager that talks to google calendar Jun 28 18:36:31 its nicely done and works as fast as possible on gtk Jun 28 18:36:39 * lcuk tips a very big hat at him Jun 28 18:36:52 it would be nice to just talk to his database and show entries Jun 28 18:37:04 not even allowing editing yet Jun 28 18:37:31 i think I've tried them all Jun 28 18:37:38 i was talking about the "pc edition" either way Jun 28 18:37:56 google calendar itself then on pc Jun 28 18:38:24 but it needs to be able to show sketches overlaid too Jun 28 18:39:39 (and I personally dislike google calendar, but could get used to it :) ) Jun 28 18:40:04 the only desktop calendar that could show sketches would be liqbase on a desktop Jun 28 18:40:33 the engine works on x86 kinda already, and is gonna be used for the wallmount Jun 28 18:41:07 i've done lots of paper sketches about my "dream pim app" :D Jun 28 18:41:53 which means I'm probably never going to code it since it would be monstrous Jun 28 18:42:23 :) i do lots of sketching about my dream app too :) Jun 28 18:42:32 and its getting closer and closer every day Jun 28 18:42:57 right now I'm basically not using any PIM, which means I'm starting to forget about things (having used a Palm for the last ... 8 years?) Jun 28 18:42:58 i have had soooooo much work to do to get even this close Jun 28 18:43:35 thats where liqbase does me, quick notes and a nice interface and multiple views of the same data to play around in means im constantly reminded about upcoming events and it works for me Jun 28 18:45:09 when I tested liqbase a few weeks ago it gave me a feeling of "framework" Jun 28 18:45:12 much like emacs Jun 28 18:45:43 it is a framework Jun 28 18:45:56 i want it to be able to create anything i please Jun 28 18:46:09 i want to have 10 variations on clocks available Jun 28 18:46:18 or 10 different sketch editors Jun 28 18:46:23 with different functions Jun 28 18:46:30 different views on the data Jun 28 18:46:43 and i want it to be simple to configure and setup and choose themes of them Jun 28 18:46:54 so you might just want a sketch pad and graffiti wall Jun 28 18:47:14 i want sketch and graffiti and cal and bookreader and user list and clock and stars Jun 28 18:47:44 its finding its feet at the moment and im making sure it can do everything i want it to do Jun 28 18:47:45 just be careful it does not turn into emacs with its own mail reader :) Jun 28 18:48:00 if it gets a mail reader it wont be me that does it Jun 28 18:48:10 tho its gonna have to be tracking that server and syncing ;) Jun 28 18:50:53 Stskeeps: wtf is FTD Jun 28 18:51:37 Luke-Jr: leaked Nokia app, tells you a lot, I used to have screenies... Jun 28 18:52:11 qwerty12_N810: but what IS it? Jun 28 18:53:34 Luke-Jr: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=180084&postcount=232 Jun 28 18:54:00 if you want it, you'll find it in the catalogue mirror Jun 28 18:54:28 it's not in the main one anymore? Jun 28 18:54:43 No, like I said: it was leaked Jun 28 18:55:23 hmm Jun 28 18:55:30 so what is so "amazing" about it? Jun 28 18:55:42 the screenshots look like it's simply a GUI for obvious crap Jun 28 18:55:59 It shows very in depth info - run it and look at the battery info Jun 28 18:56:15 But I'm not here to say "use it or die!" Jun 28 19:06:50 qwerty12_N810: battery info has more than bme-client? Jun 28 19:06:56 or does it bypass BME? Jun 28 19:07:16 it connects to the bme socket iirc Jun 28 19:07:19 lemme check Jun 28 19:08:36 Luke-Jr: Aye, it connects to BME's socket so I guess it doesn't do any bypassing Jun 28 19:08:54 yeah, it talks with bulk Jun 28 19:09:02 ok, does it have more info than bme-client? Jun 28 19:09:39 guess where the bme protocol was from Jun 28 19:10:21 qwerty: Where should I email fmsx sources? Jun 28 19:10:40 RST38h: trippin1@gmail.com please Jun 28 19:11:41 do you like spam or what? Jun 28 19:12:09 pupnik_: Meh, I'm fine as long as noone signs me up to gay porn :P Jun 28 19:12:13 qwerty: Done Jun 28 19:12:19 Thanks Jun 28 19:14:23 anyone not afk? Jun 28 19:15:08 . Jun 28 19:15:17 fmsx? Jun 28 19:15:41 when is it considered appropiate for a package to be promoted to extras? Jun 28 19:16:07 i mean, I don't really believe I'll ever get a bugreport for openttd in... months Jun 28 19:16:10 When you sacrificed at least six bulls and a virgin to the Tentacled One Jun 28 19:16:35 (and If I get one, since I mostly did nothing :P, I would instantly forward it upstream) Jun 28 19:17:22 other than "openttd uses too much battery" which I agree but don't know how to fix other than linking with libosso and pausing when screen goes off Jun 28 19:18:11 ~seen Tentacled One Jun 28 19:18:11 anyone want to help me with mer? Jun 28 19:18:13 javispedro: i haven't seen 'tentacled one' Jun 28 19:18:18 Empire: you're better off in #mer Jun 28 19:18:19 too bad infobot, too bad. Jun 28 19:18:22 ty Jun 28 19:18:25 javispedro: there was a discussion on that on -developers and I can't remember the specifics but the consensus was that it's not worth it for a sdl app Jun 28 19:18:27 OpenTTD needs proper scrolling mechanism Jun 28 19:18:35 And bigger menus =) Jun 28 19:18:40 tap-to-drag not enough? Jun 28 19:18:46 Nope Jun 28 19:18:59 so you want minimap? Jun 28 19:19:06 I know it is too much to ask for kinetic, but at least implement simple drag Jun 28 19:19:22 uh? Jun 28 19:19:27 why is tap-to-drag not enough then? Jun 28 19:19:54 counter intuitive and (more importantly) too easy to activate by mistake Jun 28 19:20:03 when trying to click on those tiny little menus and icons Jun 28 19:20:50 menus are tiny, I agree with that (specially windows' close button) Jun 28 19:20:53 but dragging? Jun 28 19:21:14 just implement simple dragging Jun 28 19:21:28 there is simple panning, if that's what you mean Jun 28 19:21:32 i.e. pen goes down, moves across the screen and drags Jun 28 19:21:58 yes, that's what I mean with "tap-to-drag" Jun 28 19:22:16 the version I have drags when you click Jun 28 19:22:25 aaaaaaaa Jun 28 19:22:26 it does not drag with the pen Jun 28 19:22:38 wait Jun 28 19:22:46 pc version drags on _right_ click Jun 28 19:22:56 extras-devel version drags on "pen" click Jun 28 19:23:12 replace right with left on that message, infobot. Jun 28 19:23:21 no Jun 28 19:23:24 do not replace it at all Jun 28 19:23:38 damn dyslexia Jun 28 19:24:22 either way, I can assure you I can drag the pen to scroll in extras-devel version Jun 28 19:24:52 now promote to extras =) Jun 28 19:25:18 so you're the Tentacled One? Jun 28 19:25:20 :D Jun 28 19:25:27 of course not Jun 28 19:26:17 too late! poor bulls... Jun 28 19:27:59 you are forgetting an important ingredient... Jun 28 19:28:02 hint hint... Jun 28 19:28:33 Anyways, I have had enough coding for today. Jun 28 19:28:43 do you want me to sacrifice a virgin?? but but but then Macer will put me in the registar Jun 28 19:29:19 As long as it is R4 to R12, you should be fine. Jun 28 19:29:28 ABI prescribes to save 'em. Jun 28 19:29:46 :D Jun 28 19:32:57 javispedro: good luck finding a virgin these days Jun 28 19:33:35 OpenTTD == open tap-to-drag ? Jun 28 19:34:36 * xnt14 is so freaking bored :P Jun 28 19:34:46 * xnt14 installs openwrt in a vm Jun 28 19:35:06 ah screw a vm, ill install it on my old crappy laptop Jun 28 19:38:38 cmon #maemo, recommend me a desktop linux distro Jun 28 19:38:39 :) Jun 28 19:38:41 * thopiekar managed to get a working debian-sourcefolder to make a static package of portaudio19 for maemo Jun 28 19:39:01 * thopiekar will upload it to -devel in some mins Jun 28 19:39:05 amr: linux from scratch Jun 28 19:39:45 amr: yellow dog Jun 28 19:40:33 that's for power cpu tho Jun 28 19:42:59 what is btw the meaning of "tho"? I always think that I'm meant with it.. Jun 28 19:43:02 you don't have a power? Jun 28 19:43:05 thought* Jun 28 19:43:11 :P Jun 28 19:43:11 this is for my desktop Jun 28 19:43:15 though* Jun 28 19:43:15 even Jun 28 19:43:24 just shorthand Jun 28 19:44:06 oh, Ubuntu then... Jun 28 19:44:13 thought so :D Jun 28 19:44:37 if you have to ask: Ubuntu. If you don't: Debian Jun 28 19:44:55 well its been a long time since ive used linux on the desktop Jun 28 19:44:56 like 2 years? Jun 28 19:45:13 should be a pleasant surprise then :) Jun 28 19:45:23 oh good :) Jun 28 19:46:35 oh thats a pleasant surprise too, iplayer works on the NIT Jun 28 19:46:42 oh damn, not good framerate though Jun 28 19:50:07 * GeneralAntilles isn't sure why he agreed to go to the Holocaust museum. Jun 28 19:50:31 GeneralAntilles: inspiration for you going postal over mobile os's Jun 28 19:50:41 Now I'm just depressed. Jun 28 19:50:53 and the place hasn't changed at all since the last time I went 5 years ago. Jun 28 19:51:24 I love this community :P uploaded the portaudio19 sources and moved them for building in -devel.. thank you for helping me today :) Jun 28 19:52:56 amr: Ubuntu sucks; at least go with Kubuntu Jun 28 19:53:04 Subjective Jun 28 19:53:12 GNOME sucking is pretty objective Jun 28 19:53:13 ☺ Jun 28 19:53:13 i dont like kde Jun 28 19:53:20 well, i didnt use to Jun 28 19:53:41 it always seemed far too windowsy Jun 28 19:53:51 plus ugly Jun 28 19:54:04 is the linux font smoothing still shit? Jun 28 19:54:09 ROFL Jun 28 19:54:16 KDE is nothing like ugly if you compare to GNOME Jun 28 19:54:28 and only Windowsy if you configure it to be Windowsy Jun 28 19:54:30 now now guys Jun 28 19:54:36 no religous arguments Jun 28 19:54:38 you did read the part where i said the last time i used desktop linux was 2 years ago Jun 28 19:54:43 the real suck in KDE is that retarded MySQL dependency Jun 28 19:54:55 and 2 years ago, it was ugly as fuck Jun 28 19:55:05 amr: only if you configured it to be Jun 28 19:55:10 standard install Jun 28 19:55:15 Luke-Jr: KDE 3.x was a good and stable desktop but now.. in times of kde 4.x I use gnome because it's the most stable one with lots of plugins, etc... other desktops like e17 or other are too unstable, too or just sucking :P Jun 28 19:55:21 anyway, not that i care Jun 28 19:55:25 amr: there is no "standard install" back then; you got prompted first login Jun 28 19:55:26 is kde4 any good? Jun 28 19:55:40 amr: too unstable for me.. Jun 28 19:55:40 amr: except for MySQL dependency, bloat, etc Jun 28 19:55:53 i saw some of the notification things Jun 28 19:55:55 they seemed cool Jun 28 19:56:02 all UIs fail pretty hard in some area, tbh Jun 28 19:56:14 we should start a new DE project Jun 28 19:56:29 the NDE Jun 28 19:56:33 no desktop environment Jun 28 19:56:36 lol Jun 28 19:56:40 that's console mode Jun 28 19:56:42 all i'd like is some consistency among applications Jun 28 19:56:43 it automagically presses ctrl+shft+f1 for you Jun 28 19:56:47 luke: Exactly! Jun 28 19:56:52 but with so many DEs, i imagine that would be impossible Jun 28 19:56:58 amr: stick to one Jun 28 19:57:12 if you don't use anything GTK+, it should all be consistent Jun 28 19:57:21 h good Jun 28 19:57:22 ah* Jun 28 19:57:52 I think gnome is more supported overall, though Jun 28 19:57:56 whats up with khertan... does someone knows something about him.. Jun 28 19:58:03 Vulcanis: GNOME isn't usable Jun 28 19:58:16 just got a new home-applet idea for him :) Jun 28 19:58:20 Luke: It isn't, but I think more things are still built for it these days Jun 28 20:03:38 Luke-Jr: GNOME is just fine Jun 28 20:13:06 see you later.. have to go bed.. Jun 28 21:02:10 lbt: Jun 28 21:12:44 I'm trying to build an external module and not having much luck. It keeps saying "MODPOST 0 modules" Jun 28 21:14:08 I'm using scratchbox and I'm trying to build for diablo Jun 28 21:25:31 is this a maemo only channel, or n810 also? Jun 28 21:25:53 one and the same Jun 28 21:26:13 alright Jun 28 21:26:17 if you have a nokia device that's not a phone then welcome Jun 28 21:26:17 n810 is running on maemo when you first turn it on, so... Jun 28 21:26:27 well, just makin sure Jun 28 21:26:34 if you have a device that is a phone, then hiss, get out of here. Jun 28 21:26:57 nah, my touchscreen stoped working Jun 28 21:27:12 why - maemo/mer/liqbase would run nicely on an iphone :) Jun 28 21:27:29 could it be software related? Jun 28 21:27:33 maemo/mer wouldn't. fscking closed software. Jun 28 21:27:43 did you try a hard reset yet, toma? Jun 28 21:27:47 eh? Jun 28 21:27:52 mer is oss Jun 28 21:27:53 how do u do that? Jun 28 21:27:55 maemo is mostly oss Jun 28 21:28:16 vulc how? Jun 28 21:28:23 tomaterr: remove battery Jun 28 21:28:25 the only problem for them with iphone is resolution Jun 28 21:28:58 I forget how to do it on the n810, I think its something to do with the center button while putting the battery back in and turning it on Jun 28 21:29:04 closed hardware perhaps Jun 28 21:29:07 the only problem with the iphone is the iphone itself is CLOSED Jun 28 21:29:26 and there's no keyboard, and it costs loads Jun 28 21:29:54 well, I've removed batt Jun 28 21:29:58 several times Jun 28 21:30:19 plug it into pc, install flashing software, hold down home button, turn on Jun 28 21:30:27 mavhc, ipod touch doesnt Jun 28 21:30:38 yeah its locked - thats a minor hurdle lol Jun 28 21:31:00 what is it about a cell phone radio that costs $200? Jun 28 21:31:35 especially when complete cell phones can be bought for peanuts Jun 28 21:33:34 do you need to do anything special to build an external module with scrachbox/for maemo? Jun 28 21:33:41 *scratchbox Jun 28 21:33:55 external module? Jun 28 21:33:57 compat-wireless-2.6-old Jun 28 21:34:05 out of tree is what I mean by external Jun 28 21:34:07 can't even be the cost of FCC etc approval if you're selling 30 million of them Jun 28 21:34:08 should be possible to build everything in it Jun 28 21:34:18 hmm, it keeps coming up with MODPOST 0 modules Jun 28 21:34:35 thnaks for the help, I'm gonna go try to fix this Jun 28 21:35:19 crud Jun 28 21:35:42 the compat-wireless-old makefile wants there to be a config.mk in the kernel header directory, and it also can't call modprobe due to a missing modules.dep Jun 28 21:35:43 tomaterr, is it totally dead Jun 28 21:35:43 what does a flashing ! w/ orange background mean? Jun 28 21:35:48 or does it respond erattically Jun 28 21:36:03 system software updates usually i think Jun 28 21:36:29 erratically Jun 28 21:36:39 ahh, thats not the same Jun 28 21:37:03 has the device sustained any trauma Jun 28 21:37:10 a little... Jun 28 21:37:15 not too much Jun 28 21:37:21 please lie down, and tell me all about it Jun 28 21:37:36 like,3 feet Jun 28 21:37:41 3 or 4 times Jun 28 21:37:44 Maiku: trying to get stlc45xx going? :P Jun 28 21:37:48 when did you bust it Jun 28 21:37:57 Stskeeps: how'd you know :P Jun 28 21:38:00 was it one particular time? Jun 28 21:38:06 no Jun 28 21:38:20 Stskeeps: I managed to get it running with a newer kernel and its range was quite spectacular Jun 28 21:38:24 the issue appearad later Jun 28 21:38:30 what kind of eraticness is it Jun 28 21:38:35 Maiku: because i wanted to try out stlc45xx on 2.6.21 after hearing it was backported to 2.6.21 :P Jun 28 21:38:38 ie is it totally random and jumpy Jun 28 21:38:43 as in, mac80211 Jun 28 21:38:47 yup Jun 28 21:38:50 or is there a part thats fine Jun 28 21:38:50 did you have any luck? Jun 28 21:38:55 always opens the application window Jun 28 21:38:59 part is ok Jun 28 21:39:05 Maiku: no, i have a large backlog of desires and this one was not fullfilled yet Jun 28 21:39:11 aww Jun 28 21:39:18 I haven't managed to find much at all on it :/ Jun 28 21:39:19 Maiku: did you compile the diablo kernel first? Jun 28 21:39:50 not for trying like this, I was just using the headers, when I had used the newer kernel, yes, but then a bunch of other stuff didn't work :P Jun 28 21:40:17 right, compile first - and then make sure to point to that tree Jun 28 21:40:52 shoot Jun 28 21:41:00 k, I remember reading a page saying to use two KBUILD variables, but I sure can't find that page again yet Jun 28 21:42:30 Maiku: good luck with it though Jun 28 21:42:43 thanks, hopefully this will work :P Jun 28 21:42:50 if you end up trying to slowly migrate .21 -> .22 -> .23 -> .24, that's interesting too :P Jun 28 21:43:23 I'd really like to be able to keep the default kernel Jun 28 21:43:37 (why? :P) Jun 28 21:44:06 because I know stuff works with it Jun 28 21:44:34 and don't have to mess figuring out how to update all the closed source bits for hardware Jun 28 21:45:24 ah, shouldn't be that bad Jun 28 21:45:45 either way, good luck - looks interesting Jun 28 21:46:05 thanks :) Jun 28 21:58:14 Stskeeps: well so far it's working better this way, although it now errors instead of just skipping everything :) Jun 28 21:58:44 yay errors Jun 28 21:58:57 well at least now I have something to debug :) Jun 28 22:01:19 OOO I'm good at making things break... Jun 28 22:01:35 ah, braking turing is fun :D Jun 28 22:03:02 I remember breaking all of my friends programs randomly hehehe he got so mad Jun 28 22:04:41 looks like it has warnings as errors :/ Jun 28 22:05:20 so whats going to happen with maemo 5, will there be apps for it right away or will people have to port everything? and does it have better gfx acceleration on the smart q 5??? Jun 28 22:05:41 * Luke-Jr has 2.6.30 mostly working on N810 Jun 28 22:05:46 no maemo5 for smartq5 Jun 28 22:05:55 really? :( Jun 28 22:06:08 brainy142: Maemo sucks anyway, Mer can run anything Ubuntu has pretty much Jun 28 22:06:25 isn't mer/maemo the same??? Jun 28 22:06:29 no Jun 28 22:06:38 brainy142, apps are already being put together. Jun 28 22:06:48 Mer does support many Maemo apps I think though Jun 28 22:06:53 See the Fremantle Stars Jun 28 22:07:07 excellent, hopefully the new api's wont take too long for people to implement ports. Jun 28 22:07:23 Luke-Jr, Mer wouldn't exist without Maemo and Nokia's open source efforts. Jun 28 22:07:55 GAN800: ok Jun 28 22:08:13 GAN800: we'd probably have something even better Jun 28 22:08:46 so... If I wanted to be able to use the new release I would have to use a nokia mid thing? Jun 28 22:08:54 OK, Luke-Jr. Jun 28 22:09:07 brainy142: yeah, but no point Jun 28 22:09:13 brainy142: better off with Mer or some other OS Jun 28 22:09:25 brainy142, Mer is using as many of the new Maemo 5 technologies as is possible. Jun 28 22:09:37 ah ic... like your ui though Jun 28 22:09:42 But if you want Maemo-Maemo you gotta buy the device. Jun 28 22:10:09 brainy142, I'd wait until a proper announcement to decide. Jun 28 22:10:38 right Jun 28 22:10:53 erm... which is faster nokia's thing or the smart q? Jun 28 22:11:17 Nokia's device blows the SmartQ utterly out of the water. Jun 28 22:11:30 really? Jun 28 22:11:33 Yes. Jun 28 22:11:45 hmm.. I though it was slower Jun 28 22:11:49 Cortex A8 versus ARM11 is not even a contest. Jun 28 22:12:02 Well, what's Nokia's "thing" the N810 or the next unreleased device(s)? Jun 28 22:12:28 ah dam, should have bought it on craigs when it was like 150 Jun 28 22:13:31 i was wondering what the difference would be if i sold my 770 and bought a used n800 Jun 28 22:13:52 N800 is way faster than the 770. Jun 28 22:14:18 Is there a place in Canada that sells them? Jun 28 22:14:52 ya i have a 810, im using a 770 for my sterio Jun 28 22:15:03 cortex a8 designs are nice Jun 28 22:15:07 smackpotat: get a SmartQ Jun 28 22:15:27 using it for your stereo how? Jun 28 22:15:28 why the smart q? Jun 28 22:15:31 brainy142: GAN800 is talking about some unreleased Nokia device that might not even exist Jun 28 22:15:41 SmartQ is easily superior to N800 Jun 28 22:15:45 whats a smartq Jun 28 22:15:53 doesnt it have that 3d core Jun 28 22:15:56 and Luke-Jr's a troll Jun 28 22:16:01 smackpotat: an open source handheld like N800 Jun 28 22:16:12 Stskeeps: shoo, FUD Jun 28 22:16:18 is it a phone Jun 28 22:16:22 smackpotat: no Jun 28 22:16:29 smackpotat: it's liek the N800, but it's faster and open source Jun 28 22:16:31 Luke-Jr: I find it hard to believe that Nokia would put so much work into software for "some unreleased Nokia device that might not even exist". Jun 28 22:16:32 and has accelerated 3D Jun 28 22:16:40 (sigh) I'l a get the specs Jun 28 22:16:41 if you want a cortex a8 phone buy the pre or an iphone Jun 28 22:16:44 qwerty12_N810: you've seen confirmation of it? Jun 28 22:16:53 whats the resolution Jun 28 22:16:54 smackpotat, how do you use your 770 with your stereo? Jun 28 22:17:01 smackpotat: AFAIK, the same for both Jun 28 22:17:03 Luke-Jr, are there actual drivers for the 3D? Jun 28 22:17:24 Luke-Jr: nope. But common sense tells me that Nokia aren't gonna be fucking around for fun Jun 28 22:18:55 ShadowJK: not yet AFAIK Jun 28 22:18:58 ShadowJK: but we have specs Jun 28 22:18:59 When the media is saying "Maemo is attracting alot of attention away from Symbian internally at Nokia", you know maemo is probably not an extremely minor thing anymore :-) Jun 28 22:19:05 i got a 16 gb usb drive,i output to my amp, i control it from my 810, vnc. it would be nice to have the fm Jun 28 22:19:16 Luke-Jr, right so currently they're both without 3D accel Jun 28 22:19:31 smackpotat: ah, I don't use FM, so maybe N800 is better for you then Jun 28 22:19:36 no idea if the FM is free or closed Jun 28 22:19:47 .. what fm Jun 28 22:19:51 And on the N8x0 3D accel might come if Nokia manages to bribe TI. And on the SmartQ it might come if some sad person finds 2 years of spare time and motivation to write drivers :-) Jun 28 22:19:51 ShadowJK: but anyoen can write a SQ5 driver Jun 28 22:19:56 Stskeeps: N800 has FM, no? Jun 28 22:20:00 ah yes Jun 28 22:20:10 i miss that feature Jun 28 22:20:24 so 677mhz arm = fail? Jun 28 22:20:32 (arm 11) Jun 28 22:21:57 Stskeeps: how does it work, BTW? Jun 28 22:21:57 rofl "some sad person" Jun 28 22:22:08 brainy142: N915 has a much better processor Jun 28 22:22:09 brainy142, he'll be sad once he reads the opengl specs Jun 28 22:22:12 but it doesn't exist yet Jun 28 22:22:24 what is the n915? Jun 28 22:22:57 ooo sounds expensive :( Jun 28 22:23:03 the next Nokia handheld that officially doesn't exist yet Jun 28 22:23:19 If the next nokia device has a cortex A8 running at 400Mhz, it'd still be faster than 677Mhz arm11. It'd probably run at 600 :-) Jun 28 22:23:20 Stskeeps: did your arrive yet? Jun 28 22:23:45 ShadowJK: huh? you're saying the OMAP 400 MHz is faster than the Samsung 600 MHz? Jun 28 22:24:00 Is it the arcitechture? Jun 28 22:24:07 Luke-Jr: which samsung? Jun 28 22:24:14 samsung has cortex a8 chips.. Jun 28 22:24:19 1 sec Jun 28 22:24:22 Luke-Jr, omap3 vs the samsung in SmartQ5/7, yes Jun 28 22:24:22 Luke-Jr is trolling as usual on the n915 Jun 28 22:24:27 (like the one in the iphone) Jun 28 22:24:34 (3gs) Jun 28 22:24:35 * Stskeeps yawns and goes to sleep Jun 28 22:25:11 ShadowJK: OMAP3 isn't in any released products yet Jun 28 22:25:25 Pavlov: IIRC, iPhone SoC is the same as SmartQ Jun 28 22:25:35 N1HP5MQD sammy Jun 28 22:25:39 Luke-Jr, the new iphone has a newer much more powerful CPU Jun 28 22:25:43 iphone 3gs Jun 28 22:25:56 Samsung S5PC100 Cortex A8 Jun 28 22:25:58 nah I say they put in a better bat and upped the core to 600 Jun 28 22:26:16 as the ipods have a 600mhz cpu under-nuked to 400 Jun 28 22:26:21 *677 Jun 28 22:26:22 Pavlov, Tegra boo, hiss. :P Jun 28 22:26:28 GeneralAntilles: its fast ;/ Jun 28 22:26:34 Pavlov, bullshit. Jun 28 22:26:36 If you want bogomips numbers, cortex A8 at X MHz is same as Arm11 at X*2 MHz ;p Jun 28 22:26:39 not as fast cpu-wise ovbiously Jun 28 22:26:40 It's got a fast GPU and a marginal CPU. Jun 28 22:26:43 but graphics makes a big difference Jun 28 22:26:48 i think displays are important the n800 has a nice one Jun 28 22:26:50 (if used) Jun 28 22:26:54 They're not a lot faster than the SGX. Jun 28 22:27:07 and the OMAP3 has a CPU that can actually push things around Jun 28 22:27:12 its a good bit faster, and no one knows how to do anything on the sgx Jun 28 22:27:13 Like 720p with NEON. :P Jun 28 22:27:25 GeneralAntilles: you'll own the battery doing that Jun 28 22:27:32 are you going to get this working on the pandora??? Jun 28 22:27:50 it's got z cortex thing at 600mhz Jun 28 22:27:55 Meh, 720p isn't exactly a battery-friendly operation either way Jun 28 22:28:08 rofl agreed Jun 28 22:28:12 Besides, most of what I do on a tablet doesn't benefit from fast GPUs. Jun 28 22:28:20 I want a Cortex, not some ARM11 BS> Jun 28 22:28:29 Well when pandora and the next nokia device begin existing, I'm sure Mer will be ported to both Jun 28 22:28:33 you get *drum roll* 2 hrs of battery life (720p) Jun 28 22:28:34 Also: Tegra doesn't currently support Linux Jun 28 22:28:35 we're able to use the GPU for a lot Jun 28 22:28:56 OMAP3 also has the big, beefy DSP. Jun 28 22:29:06 no one wants to write dsp code Jun 28 22:29:09 GeneralAntilles, pong (but probably a bit late) :-P Jun 28 22:29:25 andre__, hum. Jun 28 22:29:28 don't get me wrong, i'm a big omap3 fan Jun 28 22:29:33 and how do you plan on doing that in fremantle when clutter hogs the gpu? :P Jun 28 22:29:37 What the hell did I want? Jun 28 22:29:38 dsp code is complex Jun 28 22:29:39 Is luke still here? Jun 28 22:29:54 but the sgx is crap comparitivly Jun 28 22:29:57 GAN800, don't know. install that timemachine thingy i told ya! ;-) Jun 28 22:30:02 Stskeeps: sigh:) Jun 28 22:30:06 The DSP is like symbian, only people who write code for it are either mentally insane or locked up in a corporate basement being whipped into doing it Jun 28 22:30:07 Pavlov, TI's codecs are much more open for OMAP3 than 2 Jun 28 22:30:10 O I remeber one of the people working on an emulator for the pandora just used the dsp Jun 28 22:30:29 andre__, ah! Jun 28 22:30:54 i want to see the best of new code on my maemo device making as much use of available hardware as possible. :) Jun 28 22:30:58 GAN800: I'm deeply aware of the capibilities/shortcomings of both Jun 28 22:31:30 Pavlov, fair enough, but I still say Tegra's a joke. :P Jun 28 22:31:43 we'll see ;) Jun 28 22:31:45 really? Jun 28 22:31:49 i do wish it had neon support Jun 28 22:31:51 andre__, how much are the 3.4 templates likely to change before release? Jun 28 22:31:56 I thought tegra was good??? Jun 28 22:32:01 brainy142, ARM11 CPU. Jun 28 22:32:06 brainy142: it is Jun 28 22:32:06 oh Jun 28 22:32:10 The only thing "good" about it is the big GPU. Jun 28 22:32:14 isnt it many arm11s tho? Jun 28 22:32:15 :D Jun 28 22:32:20 Which is entirely offset by the 3-year-old CPU. Jun 28 22:32:27 GeneralAntilles, as far as I've seen the bugzilla release process so far there won't be big changes Jun 28 22:32:43 well at LEAST were NOT working with mepis here rofl :D Jun 28 22:32:45 andre__, OK, then I'm going to start working on the 3.4 templates for Newstyle. Jun 28 22:32:51 oh cool Jun 28 22:33:21 sounds like i owe you more than one beer at the summit :) Jun 28 22:33:24 * GeneralAntilles still needs to whip Mercurial into shape. Jun 28 22:33:35 andre__, meh, don't really drink. ;) Jun 28 22:34:17 hmm... but arm 8 cortex cant play warcraft 3... That would be the... best... day... ever Jun 28 22:34:40 when is maemo summit ? october? Jun 28 22:34:43 Yeah Jun 28 22:34:51 I bet the cortex is faster than the computer I'm using :( Jun 28 22:35:15 brainy142, that seems unlikely :) Jun 28 22:35:30 amd 2000+ no video card enough said... Jun 28 22:35:45 and crappy via drivers with no 3d support Jun 28 22:36:06 .8-1ghz cortex a8s are pretty fast Jun 28 22:36:41 1.4-1.8GHz ARM11 equivalent. Jun 28 22:36:47 hmm.... wonder if the cc1600 mids will be any good Jun 28 22:37:56 hey GeneralAntilles how fast would the cortex have to be to match 1.2 ggz arm 11? Jun 28 22:38:10 as this would make something make sense Jun 28 22:38:26 ~700MHz Jun 28 22:38:29 depends a lot on what its doing Jun 28 22:38:33 OMAP3630 is what you'd be looking for Jun 28 22:38:34 RIght Jun 28 22:38:36 On average Jun 28 22:38:38 yeah Jun 28 22:38:41 thats fair estimate Jun 28 22:38:43 OMAP3430 will reach that in certain cases. Jun 28 22:39:14 Be sweet if Nokia could just swap an OMAP3630 in at this point. Jun 28 22:39:32 I have a mips pocket pc rofl Jun 28 22:39:40 I bet that = fail now Jun 28 22:40:00 if arm11 had neon it would be a lot better Jun 28 22:40:23 im ready for some a9 cpus though Jun 28 22:40:26 But they have to make a totally new device with different case and different components, and run it through their robotic "push this button 100,000 times" test facility and their "pick it up and drop it from 1 metre height" test facility a few dozen times until it stops breaking :P Jun 28 22:41:09 hmm.... a9 sounds fast... Jun 28 22:42:47 any idea when this new nokia thing is coming? Jun 28 22:43:10 brainy142, few months. Jun 28 22:43:16 there's a rumour saying October for europe Jun 28 22:43:21 A9s will be next year. Jun 28 22:43:43 If they don't have a simultaneous US/EU release I'm going to start sacrificing Nokians at the Summit. Jun 28 22:43:49 lol Jun 28 22:44:05 I'l get the pitchforks..... can you get the torches? Jun 28 22:44:05 GeneralAntilles, ah well but the rumour said a stupid locked-in US release first :-) Jun 28 22:44:38 btw, did you know that they release(d) their "Communicator" devices first in Indonesia? :P Jun 28 22:45:07 whats the mer website? Jun 28 22:45:27 Apparently the communicators have a cult status/following there after what must be one of the few clever and successful Nokia marketing schemes ever :> Jun 28 22:45:28 ~mer Jun 28 22:45:29 i guess mer is http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer Jun 28 22:45:47 why does it have maemo in it???? Jun 28 22:46:03 Because Mer is very closely related to Maemo Jun 28 22:46:09 Despite Luke-Jr's trolling. Jun 28 22:46:38 so I'm going to assume to ignore him.... Jun 28 22:46:54 brainy142, do you know who Stallman is? Jun 28 22:47:09 nope Jun 28 22:47:14 oh well Jun 28 22:47:23 who is he? Jun 28 22:47:56 brainy142, have you seen star wars? Jun 28 22:48:00 ... they look *almost the same* in the screen shots??? Jun 28 22:48:06 I've seen it Jun 28 22:48:15 brainy142, Mer is a more open source version of Maemo. Jun 28 22:48:22 oh Jun 28 22:48:23 Imagine Luke is Anakin Skywalker Jun 28 22:48:37 he's angry and frustrated :P Jun 28 22:48:48 rofl Jun 28 22:49:04 so maemo = windows of the arm os's? Jun 28 22:49:12 Not at all. Jun 28 22:49:16 good Jun 28 22:49:26 Maemo is about 80% open source and 20% closed. Jun 28 22:49:30 but I know one thing wince = fail Jun 28 22:49:49 and the money and time Nokia has put into mobile open source development for Maemo is massive. Jun 28 22:49:59 yay Jun 28 22:50:09 nokia likes open source Jun 28 22:50:26 my computer wont run any closed source os any more Jun 28 22:50:46 There are some closed source components, and some people (notably luke) are very angry about it Jun 28 22:51:01 it just spitts out blue screens.... during installation (I got a bluescreen trying to install xp) Jun 28 22:51:19 ah so thats why luke hates maemo Jun 28 22:51:58 on the N810 the 3D acceleration is unusable because there are no drivers and no specs, and the GPS chip is undocumented and has no opensource drivers. The battery management and other components that Nokia brought over from their cellphones also has no open source drivers. Jun 28 22:52:17 brainy142, he's hardline open source. Jun 28 22:52:41 ah Jun 28 22:52:47 sounds annoying to program for Jun 28 22:52:52 I hope he continues his quest to get a current kernel working :) Jun 28 22:53:00 :D Jun 28 22:53:29 he must DISPISE windows rofl Jun 28 22:53:41 ..... I got a funny idea Jun 28 22:54:02 want to hear it shadow? Jun 28 22:54:12 sure Jun 28 22:54:48 we say we made a new version of his mer thing but, we make it install win ce Jun 28 22:54:59 then he will be in agony Jun 28 22:55:29 he's working on getting gentoo installed anyway, I think.. Jun 28 22:55:58 lol the logo looks like pacman... Jun 28 22:56:42 well I guess I'l have to wait for that "sweet spot" mid Jun 28 22:57:04 The reason people like SmartQ5/7 is that the spec for the SoC were leaked, so they're available, and the chinese company that makes them are very friendly and actually give answers when the Mer team asks them questions. The SmartQ devices are wonderful for hackers/coders in that sense :P Jun 28 22:57:09 plus they're affordable Jun 28 22:58:36 So if you're a hardline opensource person, you'd boycot Nokia and shovel money at the chinese devices for being open. ;) Jun 28 22:58:58 I'm not hardline :D Jun 28 22:59:29 and are these smartq's as fast as the n810? Jun 28 22:59:41 great... now I'm stuck between a pillow and another slightly less confy pillow Jun 28 22:59:58 don't suffocate Jun 28 23:00:03 lol Jun 28 23:00:39 I wonder if he would agree with there other decision smar q made... Jun 28 23:00:47 wince option lol Jun 28 23:02:07 mavhc, I haven't seen benchmarks, but I think they are faster. Jun 28 23:02:32 only review I saw said it was slow, but that could have been their software Jun 28 23:02:38 what about telechips??? Jun 28 23:03:34 wait.... hehehe you should tell luke his computer bios isn't open source *gasp* Jun 28 23:06:13 there are open bios projects Jun 28 23:07:06 wow. there were so many people stuck on death camp trains Jun 28 23:07:16 death camp? Jun 28 23:07:38 im watching part 5 to auschwitz Jun 28 23:07:46 oh Jun 28 23:07:50 the nazis and the final solution Jun 28 23:08:05 lol "solution" Jun 28 23:08:26 ever see conspiracy? Jun 28 23:08:40 nope Jun 28 23:08:53 it is about the meeting that determined what to do about the jewish problem. nazis were totally nuts Jun 28 23:09:00 ah Jun 28 23:09:18 i mean. they were mad. seriously nuts Jun 28 23:09:31 didn't they cage them Jun 28 23:09:53 towards the end of the war they went on a killing frenzy Jun 28 23:09:56 I'm pretty sure my history teacher showed us something about cages Jun 28 23:10:18 they started killing 75% of arrivals Jun 28 23:10:47 that sucks Jun 28 23:11:02 wait there isn't even a word for that Jun 28 23:11:52 now if you want a mind screw anme watch Higurashi n _Naku_Koro ni Jun 28 23:12:08 heh Jun 28 23:12:16 what is the english name? Jun 28 23:12:24 when cicadas cry Jun 28 23:12:26 or something like that Jun 28 23:12:28 ya Jun 28 23:13:05 you wont understand hardly ANYTHING for like 30 episodes Jun 28 23:13:16 haha Jun 28 23:13:33 then now there is ANOTHER SEASON Jun 28 23:13:40 like neon genesis? Jun 28 23:13:44 it started normal Jun 28 23:13:50 and then went way off Jun 28 23:14:00 I need to see that neon show Jun 28 23:14:08 after I watch trigun Jun 28 23:14:16 man trigun is funny Jun 28 23:14:16 nah, higurashi is like halfway to neon genesis level of "huh?" Jun 28 23:14:16 it isnt that good Jun 28 23:14:25 nor is trigun Jun 28 23:14:32 ShadowJK: haha Jun 28 23:14:33 oh come on trigun = funny Jun 28 23:14:42 yeah. ng lost me Jun 28 23:14:52 and shadow did you watch all of the higurash episodes Jun 28 23:14:56 i mean it went all starving artist by episode 5 Jun 28 23:14:59 I haven't watched second season yet Jun 28 23:15:10 2nd season was the better onw] Jun 28 23:15:31 hint: It contines right after Jun 28 23:15:50 Another mind-tickling anime: Serial Experiments Lain Jun 28 23:15:54 then finally it ends on ep 22 of the kai series Jun 28 23:16:03 ShadowJK: that was awesome tho Jun 28 23:16:07 i liked lain Jun 28 23:16:18 then we actually get something you would never expect from the anime Jun 28 23:16:33 a freaking "fan-service" Jun 28 23:17:04 It's not an unusual pattern. After slaving away for 44 episodes, surely the artists deserve to do whatever the hell they want :-) Jun 28 23:17:10 I'm amped for the ri episode 4 man I wonder what rika is going to do Jun 28 23:17:51 O man I cant say (spoilers) but it is a HUGE choice Jun 28 23:18:04 unless you want me too Jun 28 23:18:11 no, please shut up :-) Jun 28 23:18:23 your going to watch it? Jun 28 23:18:37 Yeah eventually. My backlog is only a few TB. Jun 28 23:18:42 lol Jun 28 23:19:17 worst part is that I have to wait an entire month for the next episode Jun 28 23:19:30 dam subbers.... Jun 28 23:19:40 o well I guess they have a life too Jun 28 23:20:22 Usually second and third seasons is a sign that the series isn't worth watching, you know Jun 28 23:20:30 ps the higuashi takes a few episodes for the total mind screw to occour Jun 28 23:20:47 ??? Jun 28 23:20:48 ShadowJK: watched noein? Jun 28 23:20:54 that was pretty good Jun 28 23:21:01 I plan to Jun 28 23:21:03 well I guess I'l have to watch neon Jun 28 23:21:07 it is great Jun 28 23:21:08 too Jun 28 23:21:13 i liked it a lot Jun 28 23:21:25 pretty twisted Jun 28 23:21:29 It better pull me in or I will be dissapointed Jun 28 23:21:31 speaking of watching, I have N800 and a 8gig SD card waiting :P Jun 28 23:21:46 ah but n800 cant play mkv Jun 28 23:21:48 brainy142: you will like it until ep4 Jun 28 23:21:53 heh Jun 28 23:21:56 brainy142, I convert Jun 28 23:22:06 why would I start hating it Jun 28 23:22:12 mkv= annoying to convert Jun 28 23:22:29 well.... if you need the subs Jun 28 23:22:34 Yeah, mkv is particulary challenging to get through the mencoder bug-minefield Jun 28 23:22:53 rofl Jun 28 23:23:09 I got one converter thats been working great recently Jun 28 23:23:55 and it's free :) Jun 28 23:24:06 I forget how I did it. I suspect I converted video losslessly to huffyuv-in-avi with ffmpeg and then re-encoded it with mencoder and remuxed with original audio and subs from the original mkv into a new mkv. Maybe. I don't remember exactly :-) Jun 28 23:24:24 wow my way = easyer Jun 28 23:24:34 what's your way? Jun 28 23:24:40 mkv2vob Jun 28 23:24:50 *oddly it doesn't convert to vob Jun 28 23:24:58 t spits out mpegs Jun 28 23:26:06 I remeber trying to flash a router..... I faileed Jun 28 23:29:30 well I might be back later I'm going to watch a movie Jun 28 23:31:35 Stskeeps: hurray! it compiled, I just had to do what you said then grab rfkill.h from 2.6.22... no idea if it will work or not Jun 28 23:32:22 dang Jun 28 23:32:38 i think my issue is hardware-based Jun 28 23:34:11 im actually at a loss of what to play with on my tablet Jun 28 23:34:18 email is sorted, as is irc, msn etc Jun 28 23:34:19 KIRBY Jun 28 23:34:29 you can play kirby on your tablet? Jun 28 23:34:37 get vgb, download the original kirby game for gameboy :) Jun 28 23:34:42 ooo Jun 28 23:34:55 the only games i have are quake and maemodrac Jun 28 23:35:07 only issue with it from what i can see is that the on-screen controls don't support multiple fingers at a time Jun 28 23:35:08 hell i might just install pokemon too! :P Jun 28 23:35:21 can i use the n810 hardware kb? Jun 28 23:35:33 does sega/nes emulation work? Jun 28 23:35:37 work well Jun 28 23:35:53 nes emulation seems fine with ines Jun 28 23:36:01 Stskeeps: oh, and make a small change in wme.c Jun 28 23:36:06 mg (sega systems) does not seem to work Jun 28 23:36:12 ah Jun 28 23:36:19 i quite fancy some original sonic Jun 28 23:36:20 or mario Jun 28 23:36:27 and yes, you can use the hardware kb, but i haven't had success pressing two perpendicular directions at once Jun 28 23:36:39 im almost sure i had sonic working at some point Jun 28 23:36:56 amr-, if it wasn't for the fact that gens-gs has i386 asm at the heart, i'd be trying to port it to maemo :) Jun 28 23:37:12 heh Jun 28 23:39:43 let's see ... Jun 28 23:40:01 if you want a completely insane game that you can't beat for anything, tuxpuck is good Jun 28 23:40:52 man... Jun 28 23:41:01 has any1 used nokia rma? Jun 28 23:41:58 ah i did get sonic advance working perfectly fine! Jun 28 23:43:40 does nokia even have rma? Jun 28 23:43:54 tomaterr, they'd have to Jun 28 23:44:04 if the hardware is faulty, and covered by warranty Jun 28 23:44:06 can i return my 770? :P Jun 28 23:44:24 my old and ancient 770 Jun 28 23:45:11 if it's faulty and under warranty, sure. you could get a new one in exchange ;) Jun 28 23:45:25 thatd actually be fantastic Jun 28 23:45:31 its deffo under a year old Jun 28 23:45:41 i assume thats how long the warranty is Jun 28 23:45:51 ah Jun 28 23:45:54 I fond it Jun 28 23:46:14 but, should I rma through nokia, or where I bought it? Jun 28 23:46:53 if you take it back where you bought it, they might be able to put the rma in for you Jun 28 23:47:05 depends what country you live in too Jun 28 23:47:06 you might even be able to walk away with a new one, depending on their store policy Jun 28 23:47:12 bought online Jun 28 23:47:13 i know in the uk youd return it to the retailer Jun 28 23:48:39 ah Jun 28 23:48:48 but, does nokia do the 'check for drop damage" thing? Jun 28 23:49:06 say what now Jun 28 23:49:17 like do they say Jun 28 23:49:19 i seriously cannot recommend sonic advance & vgba highly Jun 28 23:49:30 enough Jun 28 23:49:38 this is because you dropped the device Jun 28 23:49:38 absolutely fantastic Jun 28 23:49:42 oh, dunno Jun 28 23:49:49 no device for you Jun 28 23:49:56 ok Jun 28 23:49:58 thanks Jun 28 23:51:06 amr-, vgba doesn't work well? Jun 28 23:52:16 it does Jun 28 23:52:18 it works fantastically Jun 28 23:52:24 i meant i cant recommend it high enough Jun 28 23:52:53 time to find more vgba games that work as well Jun 28 23:53:13 I wish my n810 was working.... Jun 28 23:53:30 tomaterr, what did you do to it? :P Jun 28 23:53:34 whats wrong with it? Jun 29 00:04:15 ooo Jun 29 00:04:18 and original mario is cool Jun 29 00:06:49 the touchscreen doesn't work Jun 29 00:07:13 In part Jun 29 00:07:28 ooh ooh, i have the perfect test for Tear on maemo! Jun 29 00:07:38 ?? Jun 29 00:08:08 what would that be? Jun 29 00:12:45 are there any good guides for getting a newer kernel on an n810? Jun 29 00:12:53 including any necessary patches/module fixes etc? Jun 29 00:15:10 university's "employee self-service" system only works in MSIE and selected khtml/webkit browsers Jun 29 00:15:28 damn, i still want to turn off this crappy nokia "greeting" Jun 29 00:16:39 are touchscreen breaks common ? Jun 29 00:17:11 man_in_shack, which greeting Jun 29 00:17:40 tomaterr, my N810's screen has been replaced 3 times Jun 29 00:17:40 man_in_shack: /usr/share/sounds/ui-wake_up_tune.wav Jun 29 00:18:03 ty qwerty12_N810 Jun 29 00:18:16 ok, Tear has already got further than midori Jun 29 00:18:19 that's a good sign Jun 29 00:18:47 awesome Jun 29 00:18:56 f***ing fantastically awesome Jun 29 00:18:59 * man_in_shack hugs Tear Jun 29 00:19:02 ? Jun 29 00:19:28 who's the guy who recommended Tear to me last night? Jun 29 00:19:31 Stskeeps maybe? Jun 29 00:21:44 can you repair the screen urself? Jun 29 00:22:29 if you mean by hitting it or opening it.. don't think so Jun 29 00:22:41 tomaterr: http://www.nmacleod.com/nokia/schematics/ - knock yourself out... Jun 29 00:22:55 it was the flexprint in mine which attaches the screen to the main board which broke.. 3 times Jun 29 00:23:45 qwerty12_N810, yay, no sound is much better Jun 29 00:23:55 hehe Jun 29 00:23:59 qwerty12_N810, now if i could only get it to not delay while showing the "hands" greeting ... :) Jun 29 00:25:38 It's still loading stuff at that point - desktop is a little slow in loading :) Jun 29 00:25:49 yeah, i've noticed that Jun 29 00:27:13 well, i've now removed midori Jun 29 00:27:20 should probably also remove nethack :P Jun 29 00:28:29 that reduces your chances of ascending drastically... Jun 29 00:32:47 Mikho, not really Jun 29 00:32:52 i suck at it Jun 29 00:33:14 is there a way to change the preferred pdf reader from bundled "PDF reader" to evince? :) Jun 29 00:34:40 Maybe by using pipeline's DBus-Switchboard Jun 29 00:35:01 * lcuk once wrote a pdf parser Jun 29 00:35:07 in visual basic :| Jun 29 00:46:02 qwerty12_N810, where do i get that? :) Jun 29 00:47:13 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=17757 Jun 29 00:47:47 looks like fun Jun 29 00:51:45 i should try to find a better theme for my n810 :P Jun 29 00:54:05 huh, apparently evince is already linked to .pdf files Jun 29 00:59:25 tear is still launching "PDF Reader" and not evince though Jun 29 01:00:18 ah, it's attached to .pdfs but not the pdf mimetype Jun 29 01:07:22 Hey all Jun 29 01:07:51 Is it possible to kexec() on the N810, and secondly, is there good instructions on customizing the iniramfs on the device? Jun 29 01:08:52 awesome, now i have Tear launching evince :D Jun 29 01:12:10 ahoot Jun 29 01:21:18 ShadowJK: Gentoo's working fine, alogn with 2.6.30 Jun 29 01:22:57 ShadowJK: GPS requires extra hacks to work under 2.6.30, which I have chosen not to release at this time, so Nokia has some incentive to cooperate. Jun 29 01:23:19 NCommander: kexec has had issues, but I *think* it's possible now Jun 29 01:23:28 NCommander: I have a kexec-capable bootmenu on Launchpad Jun 29 01:25:42 Luke-Jr, handy; also, gentoo is available for the N8x0? Jun 29 01:26:11 NCommander: that's what I'm using Jun 29 01:26:12 (as in the raw OS, and not just a chroot jail?) Jun 29 01:26:29 yep Jun 29 01:26:34 Luke-Jr, link :-)? Jun 29 01:26:46 (or if you have a guide for Ubuntu ...) Jun 29 01:27:04 Luke-Jr, I've been wanted to do some development work on kexecboot; but I don't have an ARM device that can support it (I have a couple of dev boards, but they all hang when I kexec()) Jun 29 01:30:07 http://slonopotamus.org/gentoo-on-n8x0 Jun 29 01:35:50 hey shadow still here eh? Jun 29 01:37:52 brainy142: think of how you would feel if you bought a N810 for GPS use, and found out it doesn't work and Nokia has no plans to fix it. that's me. :þ Jun 29 01:38:12 oh hey again Luke Jun 29 01:38:19 oh, and Nokia refuses to let you fix it... so far anyway Jun 29 01:38:25 I hear you love open source :D Jun 29 01:38:32 Your gps doesn't work? Jun 29 01:39:00 zerojay: N810 GPS software has known bugs that prevent it from working correctly outside of an unmaintained Maemo release Jun 29 01:39:00 my computer wont run closed source os's anymore lol Jun 29 01:39:38 hey Luke are you one of the programers for mer? Jun 29 01:39:45 brainy142: yes, though primarily Gentoo Jun 29 01:39:57 hmm... how's that port going? Jun 29 01:39:58 my Mer work is mainly just what we have in common Jun 29 01:40:02 it works... Jun 29 01:40:13 lol Jun 29 01:40:22 KDE is too bloated to run smoothly Jun 29 01:40:36 are you going to have 3s acelleration on the smart q? Jun 29 01:40:45 and yes I do agree about the KDE Jun 29 01:40:53 3s? Jun 29 01:41:03 *3d Jun 29 01:41:08 someone is Jun 29 01:41:14 I don't even have a SmartQ yet Jun 29 01:41:35 ah, I'l have to wait for the "nation" tester Jun 29 01:41:42 hopefully he gets it soon Jun 29 01:41:53 wonder what os will win... Jun 29 01:42:05 win? Jun 29 01:42:05 wince, ubuntu, or mer Jun 29 01:42:12 no doubt Mer will beat Gentoo :þ Jun 29 01:42:14 he's going to do a compaitison Jun 29 01:42:25 most people don't want to wait days for upgrades Jun 29 01:42:44 then why are you porting gentoo? Jun 29 01:43:02 I'm comfortable in Gentoo. Jun 29 01:43:05 ah ic Jun 29 01:43:22 I can like make a picture in turing rofl Jun 29 01:43:39 ya I know... school board Jun 29 01:43:43 … Jun 29 01:44:16 I bet you cant wait to see Win CE on the smart Q :D. Jun 29 01:44:35 and all the proprietary software. Jun 29 01:45:32 * Luke-Jr beats brainy142 to a pulp. Jun 29 01:45:37 I'l probably wait to see what mid's come out this year, the cc1600 one sounds promising... In theroy Jun 29 01:45:49 ? Jun 29 01:46:06 The razonator was talkig about it Jun 29 01:46:11 *talking Jun 29 01:46:23 link? Jun 29 01:46:29 there's not much info Jun 29 01:46:32 "wince" could not be named any better than it is Jun 29 01:46:39 lol Jun 29 01:46:48 lol thats what my friend said Jun 29 01:47:05 my mom just bought one.... she could have got an android lol Jun 29 01:47:07 except possibly "flinch" Jun 29 01:47:35 brainy142: pfft, Android ftl Jun 29 01:47:39 SmartQ ftw Jun 29 01:47:53 what about the pandora? Jun 29 01:48:24 It's dsp is like 400mhz Jun 29 01:48:25 I hear they're planning to ship an illegal proprietary fork of Linux with it Jun 29 01:48:51 hmm... I'l check on that Jun 29 01:49:14 don't bother, by the time it ships again it'll be obsolete anyway Jun 29 01:49:38 by what... the pandora owns the smart Q? Jun 29 01:49:52 ... although I hear the gfx is good in the smart Q Jun 29 01:49:54 uh, no? Jun 29 01:50:00 Pandora is 400 MHz you just said :þ Jun 29 01:50:05 SmartQ is 600 MHz Jun 29 01:50:18 nope Jun 29 01:50:28 pandora is 600mhz arm cortex Jun 29 01:50:34 so it's the same Jun 29 01:50:43 smart Q is 677mhz arm 11 Jun 29 01:50:47 IIRC, N915 is GHz something Jun 29 01:51:03 ooooo Jun 29 01:51:08 ghz Jun 29 01:51:10 POWER Jun 29 01:51:26 that means.... 720p mkv playback Jun 29 01:51:30 … Jun 29 01:51:36 I don't think the screen is that big Jun 29 01:51:58 i wonder how well n810 would play videos Jun 29 01:52:04 O come on man, the cc1600 can handle 1080p Jun 29 01:52:18 of course, it would depend a lot on the codec :P Jun 29 01:52:44 and my computer locked by stupid via drivers (no 3d) can play 720 mkv no problem and its only an amd 2000+ single core Jun 29 01:53:09 brainy142, i think your computer might have a larger screen than the n915 will Jun 29 01:53:14 not to mention the rk2808... man that one is nice Jun 29 01:53:17 lol Jun 29 01:53:29 remember, 720p refers to number of pixels high Jun 29 01:53:38 screen size doesn't matter as much as screen resoution Jun 29 01:53:59 we finally got some video players in 800x480 Jun 29 01:54:09 480 != 720 Jun 29 01:54:15 hmm.... wonder what the n10 runs at Jun 29 01:54:25 even if you could get 720 pixels high on a hand-held, you wouldn't notice it Jun 29 01:54:37 true but what about tv out Jun 29 01:54:47 now If only people didn't use fat 32 sigh Jun 29 01:55:01 I like ext 3/4 Jun 29 01:55:16 fat32 is a good choice for cross-platform compatibility Jun 29 01:55:24 even beos supports full read-write access on it Jun 29 01:55:28 but but... it's like blarg Jun 29 01:55:35 2 gb max a file Jun 29 01:55:40 even beos supports full read-write access on it Jun 29 01:56:02 the rk2808 can support true 1080i video out Jun 29 01:56:20 man_in_shack: fat32 is patented Jun 29 01:56:44 Luke-Jr, i know Jun 29 01:57:04 oh I know lukes "favorite" filesystem... Jun 29 01:57:06 doesn't change the fact that everyone has support for it Jun 29 01:57:15 brainy142: f u, liar -.- Jun 29 01:57:28 N....T....F...S mwahahahahahahaha Jun 29 01:57:51 * Luke-Jr glares brainy142 into the floor. Jun 29 01:57:52 super propitiatory attack! Jun 29 01:57:58 brainy142, deliberately trying to annoy people does not go down well Jun 29 01:58:08 ok fine I'l stop Jun 29 01:58:37 gee, that's even worse than me Jun 29 01:58:45 at least i have rational reasons to be pissed at Nokia Jun 29 01:59:04 NTFS= New technology of S@#$ Jun 29 02:00:23 If we get some good hardware in the next nokia thingy It could be great.... Imagene TI(texas instriments) video acelleration :D Jun 29 02:01:38 hmm... man the Irc for mer is like dead Jun 29 02:01:46 *not maemo Jun 29 02:02:26 Luke would like my computer, It refuses to run windows Jun 29 02:02:41 I get a Bluescreen.... wait for it Jun 29 02:02:50 when it's trying to install Jun 29 02:02:55 that's nothing Jun 29 02:03:03 mine completely hangs on install Jun 29 02:03:08 not even a bluescreen Jun 29 02:03:15 dam.... Jun 29 02:03:19 I get that too Jun 29 02:03:29 but the bluescreen is kida funny Jun 29 02:03:49 no Jun 29 02:04:16 what's funny is having to wipe the partition, reclaim it as part of / on debian, and installing virtualbox PUEL for usb drivers Jun 29 02:04:24 it's not about hating closed source software, it's about having the freedom and choice to make or use free software of your own choice Jun 29 02:04:31 windows "our OS is stable as a rock" computer " I get a hard error" (2nd try) technical bluscreen Jun 29 02:04:54 me and my friend though it was funny Jun 29 02:05:23 hmm... Mable I'l try linux on the wii someday... Jun 29 02:05:32 another thing, this laptop came with a "designed for windows xp pro" sticker. guess which variant of windows i was trying to install Jun 29 02:05:38 xp Jun 29 02:05:42 pro Jun 29 02:05:47 rofl Jun 29 02:05:59 AND the first time it hung it hung on the billboard that said "most stable version of windows yet" Jun 29 02:06:06 lol Jun 29 02:06:28 Right now I'm running Deban Jun 29 02:06:30 to be fair, it wasn't the oem version that came with it Jun 29 02:06:37 ah ic Jun 29 02:06:46 but as the oem version that i had installed also refused to boot ... Jun 29 02:06:54 I was running ubuntu, might go back someday... Jun 29 02:07:02 wow thats a fail Jun 29 02:07:22 thats like a pocket pc not able to install windows mobile Jun 29 02:07:37 it's like an xbox 360 red ring of death Jun 29 02:07:53 except you get a new 360 for free :D Jun 29 02:08:05 even if it's out of warranty? Jun 29 02:08:33 you get 3 yrs Jun 29 02:08:45 I gots my 360 for free :D Jun 29 02:09:00 My xbox broke and they sent me a 360 Jun 29 02:09:22 horray for no repairs in Canada :D Jun 29 02:12:12 do you know what sucks... Jun 29 02:12:19 Mac computers Jun 29 02:12:50 they crash a lot Jun 29 02:13:34 Luke-Jr do you know if there are any other interesting MID's coming out? Jun 29 02:14:29 and that maemo 5 os was that a live demo that looked slick? Jun 29 02:18:10 Hey anyone if I were to buy one of the n810's would I ever have mkv playback (smooth)? Jun 29 02:19:39 well have a nice day everyone Jun 29 02:50:16 Got a quick question.... how can I run lspci on my n810? Thanks Jun 29 02:50:33 or where is the binary located Jun 29 02:50:43 I have root Jun 29 02:50:59 well Jun 29 02:51:30 there is no pci bus in tthe n810, so the output of lspci would be empty Jun 29 02:51:38 ahh makes sense thanks Jun 29 02:51:50 I am trying to get the exact specs not the ones advertised Jun 29 02:51:57 like the bluetooth chip, etc. Jun 29 02:52:13 sound chip, video chip, etc Jun 29 02:53:11 HCI Ver: 2.0 (0x3) HCI Rev: 0x6cc LMP Ver: 2.0 (0x3) LMP Subver: 0x6cc Jun 29 02:53:33 Manufacturer: Cambridge Silicon Radio (10) Jun 29 02:53:45 where you get the info? Jun 29 02:53:55 hciconfig hci0 version Jun 29 02:54:08 thanks Jun 29 02:54:13 needs bluez-utils or something installed Jun 29 02:54:22 ok Jun 29 02:54:37 the N810 is based on Texas Instruments OMAP2 Jun 29 02:54:48 audio runs on its dsp Jun 29 02:55:11 there's an epson display controller for graphics Jun 29 02:55:16 yeah I knew about the processor Jun 29 02:55:28 got that from cat /proc/cpuinfo Jun 29 02:55:32 thanks thoughh Jun 29 02:55:38 it's a SoC, not just a cpu :) Jun 29 02:55:46 SoC? Jun 29 02:55:56 system on a chip Jun 29 02:56:04 gotcha Jun 29 02:56:14 there's cpu, video and audio in it Jun 29 02:56:21 and a dsp Jun 29 02:56:24 oh that makes sense Jun 29 02:56:28 kinda cool actually Jun 29 02:57:19 only had it for a few about a month Jun 29 02:57:19 lshal |less Jun 29 02:57:25 thanks Jun 29 02:57:29 might give you something Jun 29 02:58:18 thats it Jun 29 02:58:20 thanks alot Jun 29 02:58:49 comhack: there are no sound/video chips, AFAIK Jun 29 02:58:49 why is there no "less" on maemo? :( Jun 29 02:58:51 comhack: it's a SoC Jun 29 02:59:17 Luke-Jr: yeah I got that Jun 29 02:59:27 thanks Jun 29 02:59:41 where the hell did you find the | key Jun 29 02:59:51 there isn't one Jun 29 02:59:53 behind chr **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Jun 29 02:59:56 2009