**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jul 01 02:59:57 2009 Jul 01 04:29:00 how do I set up NAT? (I want my n810 (with Diablo) to share its internet connection over USB Jul 01 04:29:22 I used apt-get to install "iptables" and "iptables-ext" Jul 01 04:30:46 every other tutorial I can find talks about installing kernel modules with modprobe but: 1) modprobe dies with this message "modprobe: cannot parse modules.dep" and 2) there don't seem to be any kernel modules for ipt_MASQUERADE anyway Jul 01 04:36:01 JasonWoof: i tried it a while back, but didn't get it working properly Jul 01 04:36:33 I don't understand why the kernel modules aren't in the iptables package Jul 01 04:36:44 I've tried a few times, and gone to great lengths Jul 01 04:36:54 i built all the modules etc, dns/udp seemed to work, but tcp didn't Jul 01 04:37:45 A while back I participated in a forum thread where someone claimed to have it working, but even after installing his kernel modules, I couldn't get NAT working Jul 01 04:38:56 i have an identical setup with my other linux box and it works ok so it wasn't because of my double nat Jul 01 04:39:50 ah but this was os2006 sorry Jul 01 05:43:01 morning Jul 01 06:45:51 would setting a user password, change or break n810 applications ? Jul 01 06:48:25 caotic, nope Jul 01 06:48:36 bzf vai? Jul 01 06:48:42 sori väärä ikkuna Jul 01 06:48:49 sorry wrong window Jul 01 06:49:29 i could tell :P Jul 01 07:40:10 hello,everyone Jul 01 07:40:56 In maemo devolopment,i can't open new browser window, Jul 01 07:41:19 is there anyone who know about this? Jul 01 07:43:25 did they stop making maemo live CD's? the one I found seems to be old... Jul 01 07:43:38 I don't want to have to mess with debs on all my non-debian boxen :( Jul 01 07:44:30 I have no internet applications Jul 01 07:45:11 auntieNeo: http://maemovmware.garage.maemo.org/ Jul 01 07:45:32 i have install all packages ralative to maemo devolopment,but i still don't have internet applications Jul 01 07:45:35 auntieNeo: Or better http://maemovmware.garage.maemo.org/beta1/ Jul 01 07:49:41 morning all Jul 01 07:49:46 taolan: the browser is not part of the SDK Jul 01 07:49:51 morning aquatix Jul 01 07:54:10 danielwilms,i know it,thanks but how should install it. Jul 01 07:54:29 i want to install a browser Jul 01 07:55:20 because i want to install the chinese font and make the font displayed on the label. Jul 01 07:56:18 Now it doesn't display the chinese fonts Jul 01 07:57:06 More info on the Nokia Mako is out Jul 01 07:57:45 taolan: what does not show the chinese fonts? and which label? Jul 01 07:57:50 *FOUR* row keyboard. Jul 01 07:58:20 Shit, why not just make a 800x480 version of the Mako??? Jul 01 07:58:50 heh, it seems nokia keeps making their devices better and worse at the same time xD Jul 01 07:59:28 Not Nokia, N-series group Jul 01 07:59:53 mmm Jul 01 07:59:54 Plain four-digit Nokia devices are getting consistently better Jul 01 08:00:29 S60, more features, no crappy silvery coating, lower prices Jul 01 08:01:22 Mako is actually Nokia 6790, a normal consumer grade device Jul 01 08:01:22 The label is a GtkWidget on which i want to display chinese Jul 01 08:01:54 So is 5800 Jul 01 08:01:54 RST38h: E-series has nice stuff too. But N-series is really kinda "beta-series" Jul 01 08:01:59 I'm still waiting for my N810 to arrive :s Jul 01 08:02:10 taolan: Do you have chinese fonts installed? Jul 01 08:02:38 Now i can't install chinese fonts Jul 01 08:02:50 suihkulokki: E-series killed my E70, replacing it with clealry inferior E75, so I have got a personal grudge there =) Jul 01 08:03:04 i don't know how to install it . Jul 01 08:03:31 suihkulokki: No personal grudges against N-series, just disappointment at why they can't get a few simple things right Jul 01 08:03:37 taolan: i think you want this: http://maemocjk.garage.maemo.org/index.html Jul 01 08:04:01 thanks maybe i should have a look Jul 01 08:04:17 taolan: chinese is not supported by default, so you have to install some extra components. Jul 01 08:04:30 yeah. Jul 01 08:04:57 suihkulokki: Saving some popcorn to watch what Maemo Devices will do with their own design team, may end up with something cool Jul 01 08:05:16 I bought an N810 for only two things... SSH and Japanese dictionaries :P Jul 01 08:05:26 except, I have to port the dictionary app myself <_< Jul 01 08:05:26 Now i just don't know how to install the components. Jul 01 08:06:01 that site I linked to has some .install files... I thought maemo used .deb? Jul 01 08:06:30 i download the file ttf-chinese.install and can't install it. Jul 01 08:07:03 yeah i think maemo only can install .deb file Jul 01 08:07:15 auntieNeo: If you download .install files on the device, it will open the application manager and install the correct debs. Jul 01 08:07:34 mmm Jul 01 08:07:39 wish I had a device to test it :P Jul 01 08:07:59 two more days... I can wait :[ Jul 01 08:09:40 how to intall .install files using application manager after i download it to my device Jul 01 08:10:41 taolan: I think you're supposed to chose "open" when you download it... Jul 01 08:10:52 in the download dialog Jul 01 08:11:32 yep, just open it, don't save it when you download Jul 01 08:11:39 but i don't have a browser to link Jul 01 08:11:47 ahhh Jul 01 08:12:16 i forgot that you are not on the device...sorry Jul 01 08:12:27 heh, ah :P Jul 01 08:12:59 yeah i am just using a sdk Jul 01 08:14:07 then you can add it to the sources.list...just a second Jul 01 08:14:30 the sdk doesn't provide any appliction and i wan't to get a source.list Jul 01 08:14:46 taolan: The application manager should be there? Jul 01 08:15:01 yeah Jul 01 08:15:23 Just add the repository there? Jul 01 08:15:46 which option? Jul 01 08:16:38 you mean applicaton manager-->tools-->application catalogue Jul 01 08:19:31 Now whether i should install a browser or not? Jul 01 08:21:07 I see a lot of application which can be installed by taping a icon after loging a url Jul 01 08:24:24 application catalogue -> new Jul 01 08:24:38 then choose a name Jul 01 08:25:49 add the repository you find in the .install file Jul 01 08:25:58 with the web-address Jul 01 08:25:59 X-Fade:maybe my application manager has something wrong.do you konw how i should install it again? thanks. Jul 01 08:26:54 the distribution and the user Jul 01 08:26:56 danielwilms:you mean where i can add web-address. Jul 01 08:27:53 what do you mean, danilelwilms? i am a newbie to maemo. Jul 01 08:28:00 thanks Jul 01 08:28:13 when you click on "new" in the application catalogue window Jul 01 08:28:25 yeah Jul 01 08:29:03 Now i add the web-address,but it seems to no response Jul 01 08:29:20 it doesn't work. Jul 01 08:29:22 wait wait wait...which web-address did you enter Jul 01 08:29:29 ?? Jul 01 08:29:40 i think it has something with the appliction manager Jul 01 08:30:06 wait a moment. Jul 01 08:31:08 can you give me a web-address you can use? Jul 01 08:31:53 i can test whether my application manager is useful Jul 01 08:33:04 whether i should configure my internet or not? Jul 01 08:33:37 it seems not to connect to internet. Jul 01 08:34:29 wait a sec please Jul 01 08:34:42 ok Jul 01 08:37:31 In fact,i am devoloping handwriting and the result i recognize is chinese. i can't let the result displayed on a widget like GtkLabel. Jul 01 08:38:31 Maybe i should install chinese components,but i don't know how to intall it like chinese fonts. Jul 01 08:45:46 In maemo sdk,how to install application. Jul 01 08:47:30 sorry...just had a prob with the client Jul 01 08:48:23 taolan: but anyway...you cannot install it that easily in the sdk Jul 01 08:48:44 yeah. Jul 01 08:48:57 because there is no x86 build Jul 01 08:49:04 do you have a device?? Jul 01 08:49:26 i have no device Jul 01 08:50:04 Get a device first. Jul 01 08:50:06 i am graduating and know a little about maemo. Jul 01 08:50:18 thanks danielwilms Jul 01 08:50:28 Debugging on the emulator is not the same, lots of things just won't work. Jul 01 08:50:36 thank you for your patience. Jul 01 08:51:50 Every body, Good Afternoon! Jul 01 08:52:52 i am interested to develop plug-in for maemo device. Are not there any C++ support for this? Jul 01 08:53:16 I am looking for this... so far i have found all written in C! Jul 01 08:53:22 any body please! Jul 01 08:53:40 gtkmm Jul 01 08:53:44 sarower: http://maemomm.garage.maemo.org/ Jul 01 08:53:57 * RST38h sighs Jul 01 08:54:16 X-Fade: Ah cool =) Jul 01 08:54:36 RST38h: sighs? Jul 01 08:54:37 sarower: or a _proper_ solution : http://qt4.garage.maemo.org/ Jul 01 08:54:40 for me? Jul 01 08:54:42 ;) Jul 01 08:54:51 RST38h: Maemomm is actually in a pretty good shape :) Jul 01 08:55:13 Hey, sarower, would you consider a trade? Jul 01 08:55:34 lbt: That is -10MB in / though, for a proper solution =) Jul 01 08:55:51 disk is cheap Jul 01 08:56:00 lbt: Not Maemo's / Jul 01 08:56:01 oh wait, we have no disk Jul 01 08:56:11 RST38h: thats no need, others are kind. they are cooperating me... Jul 01 08:56:13 Well, we do have one, just a tiny one unfortunately Jul 01 08:56:27 sarower: Oh, I think you will find it a good trade Jul 01 08:56:34 * lbt has N800 ... no space issues :) Jul 01 08:56:54 RST38h: Oh please.. i no need! Jul 01 08:57:00 I appear to have a *sample desktop plugin* project which I have done for qwerty12 Jul 01 08:57:11 The plugin does not do much, but it is fully functional Jul 01 08:57:27 Just unpack tgx file, fill in your own code, and compile Jul 01 08:57:30 tgz Jul 01 08:57:40 lbt: Is there any support for home area plug-in development in QT? Jul 01 08:58:11 lbt: You still have limited / Jul 01 08:58:36 sarower: So, do you want this project or not? Jul 01 08:59:02 sarower: no, it's not the right choice for applets AFAIK Jul 01 08:59:18 RST38h: who doesn't in this finite universe of ours? Jul 01 08:59:36 lbt: God? =) Jul 01 09:00:06 exactly... no-one :P Jul 01 09:00:23 * RST38h divides lbt by 0, here, unlimited / Jul 01 09:00:33 X-Fade: there are many referrence which one is the appropriate for plug-in development in C++? Jul 01 09:01:01 how are the gtkmm reference docs? I found them..... painful Jul 01 09:01:35 sarower: Depends on where you want to plug in to. Jul 01 09:02:37 plug-in for internet tablet....in the home area... Jul 01 09:02:51 like FM radio, RSS feed Reader etc... Jul 01 09:03:41 That is hildon desktop. Jul 01 09:03:42 X-Fade! Jul 01 09:04:04 yah i know.. but it is C based.. Jul 01 09:04:25 Are there any C++ support of hildon desktop? Jul 01 09:04:31 X-Fade? Jul 01 09:04:55 sarower: it's all gtk based Jul 01 09:05:07 hm.. oh my god... Jul 01 09:05:08 gtkmm is a C++ interface to gtk framework Jul 01 09:05:18 sarower: hilldonmm Jul 01 09:05:19 Hehe, I did not sigh for nothign :) Jul 01 09:05:22 *hildonmm Jul 01 09:05:54 X-Fade: hmm....but i need some sample in hildonmm......... Jul 01 09:06:07 X-Fade: hildonmm is gtkmm+ C++ wrapper over libhildon ? Jul 01 09:06:10 i do not find any such sample or example code Jul 01 09:06:35 sarower: C++ is a 2nd class language for hildon... Jul 01 09:06:37 sarower, I will give you a complete sample of desktop plugin written in C Jul 01 09:06:45 lbt: C++ bindings for hildon? Jul 01 09:06:53 you will be embarking on a voyage of discovery Jul 01 09:07:01 It includes dpkg configuration and runs on Maemo desktop Jul 01 09:07:10 Do you want it? Jul 01 09:07:14 RST38h: it ok Jul 01 09:07:29 I will just want 1 (one) thing in exchange Jul 01 09:07:39 And it is not money Jul 01 09:07:39 ok Jul 01 09:08:17 You should promise to restrict yourself to talk.mameo.org and maemo developers mailing list for questions about developing the plugin Jul 01 09:08:30 Is it ok? Jul 01 09:09:03 i already have a question there... Jul 01 09:09:16 in the talk.mameo.org Jul 01 09:09:31 Good. My point is that you should promise to avoid pestering people on #maemo with so many questions. Jul 01 09:09:36 Can you promise that? Jul 01 09:10:00 yah.. but i must have the access.... and some time i may log in here.... Jul 01 09:10:17 and some / few question Jul 01 09:10:18 Logging here is fine, no problem with that. Talking is fine. Jul 01 09:10:30 Pestering people with a lot of questions for hours is not fine. Jul 01 09:10:36 yah... i will maintain the rules... Jul 01 09:10:41 So, do you promise? Jul 01 09:10:52 ha ha ha haaaaaaaaa... fine... Jul 01 09:10:59 Ok. Your email address then? Jul 01 09:11:01 you are very interesting.. man! Jul 01 09:12:15 shimul279@yahoo.com Jul 01 09:13:09 RST38h.. ok? Jul 01 09:13:24 Sent. Jul 01 09:13:27 RST38h: what is your name please..? Jul 01 09:13:45 sarower: Use /whois Jul 01 09:14:23 please tell Jul 01 09:15:01 can i mail you when i fetch some problem..? Jul 01 09:15:12 regarding my job? Jul 01 09:15:19 RST38h? Jul 01 09:15:50 sarower: You just promised something, didn't you? Jul 01 09:16:22 sarower: Post your questions to talk.maemo.org and maemo developers mailing list. If nobody answers, then nobody knows. Jul 01 09:17:32 RST38h: Ok man... Kool! I understood! Jul 01 09:20:22 RST38h: Friendship...? Jul 01 09:31:21 Does anyone know, is it possible to make window with GTK and use SDL (for graphics) inside little box Jul 01 09:33:01 Not in Maemo, afaik. Jul 01 09:33:24 But doable in desktop Linux. Jul 01 09:33:33 ic Jul 01 09:33:38 Thanks Jul 01 09:40:21 I think there is some sql/opengl ports to maemo out there Jul 01 09:59:02 Hello Maemo :) Jul 01 10:00:29 Hello wazd Jul 01 10:01:47 RST38h: hooah, my sister has chosen asus u2e, leather baby, http://pics.rbc.ru/img/cnews/2008/03/06/gsas1.jpg Jul 01 10:03:04 RST38h: also she is considering asus s6f but it looks a bit like old fasioned soviet case :D http://www.ixbt.com/video2/images/g80/asus_s6f.jpg Jul 01 10:03:20 wait, are they real laptops? Jul 01 10:03:38 RST38h: ultraportables :) Jul 01 10:03:44 Atom? Jul 01 10:03:50 RST38h: with core2duo and stuff Jul 01 10:03:59 Ah,Core2 shoudl be ok Jul 01 10:04:10 But Atom is going to be 1/3 of Core2 performance Jul 01 10:04:40 RST38h: u2e has a bit slow core2duo 1.2 Ghz only Jul 01 10:05:31 RST38h: s6f is fine but I can't find it in Moscow and it looks slightly funny :) Jul 01 10:06:37 wazd: s6f looks ok to me, just a bit heavy probably Jul 01 10:07:07 Also, I do not think 1.2GHz Core2 is slow, it pulls applications just fine, and you won't play games on it anyway Jul 01 10:07:47 RST38h: yep Jul 01 10:37:12 Morning, all Jul 01 10:43:31 mornin jaffa Jul 01 10:46:45 o/ Jul 01 10:48:15 hey lbt \o Jul 01 10:48:22 * lcuk puts 10p in the chan Jul 01 11:14:39 http://www.phpguru.org/static/html5-canvas-examples Jul 01 11:15:00 (somebody at Adobe is counting days until the end of Flash) Jul 01 11:16:35 RST38h: i help him counting Jul 01 11:17:33 aquatix: actually, that was wrong reaction Jul 01 11:17:54 aquatix: right reaction is to ask Nokia guys if they are going to support html5 in Fremantle browser =) Jul 01 11:18:21 Because from what this page shows, it looks like the canvas is going to be the magic bullet =) Jul 01 11:18:42 ah :) Jul 01 11:18:47 well Jul 01 11:19:01 performance? overhead? Jul 01 11:19:10 if fremantle browser is based on the gecko version of Fx 3.5 or higher, or modern webkit, we're good Jul 01 11:19:10 lcuk: not much different from Flash. Jul 01 11:19:52 lcuk: In fact, this stuff is kinda similar to flash - it has also got JavaScript (ECMAScript in flash, same thing), the canvas, the persistent storage Jul 01 11:20:16 lcuk: Only it requires no Adobe to run :) Jul 01 11:20:18 yeah but this is sandboxed Jul 01 11:20:26 lcuk: And Flash is not? :) Jul 01 11:20:43 * aquatix hopes flash is sandboxed Jul 01 11:20:55 apologies, wrong description, errmm its interpreted Jul 01 11:20:56 but watching my Fx die now and then, i think not too well Jul 01 11:20:56 lcuk: Click right mouse button on an embedded flash object and click on Options - you will see how flash is sandboxed Jul 01 11:21:01 all: Are there any instructions to install qt libraries (latest sources) on device say N810? (I tried to google but could not manage to find any useful ) Jul 01 11:21:14 lcuk: Dunno about Flash, but Mozilla uses JIT for JS Jul 01 11:21:44 qtomu, http://qt4.garage.maemo.org/ Jul 01 11:21:45 aquatix: Ah they will fix it eventually Jul 01 11:22:00 aquatix: Can't be worse than Flash doing gettimeofday() in a tight loop Jul 01 11:22:30 haha, indeed Jul 01 11:22:36 it might just work nicely Jul 01 11:23:07 but for now, i know that i can safely block flash - do i start having to block parts of html? Jul 01 11:23:53 lcuk: i think it could be part of the browser's settings Jul 01 11:24:04 lcuk: thnx but I need not qt applications but rather qt4.6 libraries to be installed on device... I have browsed the link but could not find the relavant info Jul 01 11:24:05 `enable rich content' or something Jul 01 11:24:38 lcuk: You probably won't Jul 01 11:24:43 qtomu, trying to help, qt is not official and part of the sdk (yet). ask lbt Jul 01 11:25:06 Hehe, Al Franken won :) Jul 01 11:40:04 qtomu: we're running 4.5.2 on the device atm... look in http://gitorious.org/qt-maemo to track Jul 01 11:41:01 qtomu: you want to run this under Diablo ? Jul 01 11:52:24 lbt, qtomu: using qt with python by pyqt4 is very slow atm.. Jul 01 11:52:39 latest qt-maemo thopiekar Jul 01 11:52:42 .. that what i've tested Jul 01 11:52:56 yes.. Jul 01 11:52:59 , lbt Jul 01 11:53:08 try a quick run using -graphicsengine native Jul 01 11:53:44 how should I enable this in python? Jul 01 11:54:50 hmm, can you run a native C++ qt application ... it seems to affect the whole framework Jul 01 11:55:52 could it be that its slower because it has to redesign my ui? because my app has a window size of 600x500.. Jul 01 11:56:09 unlikely Jul 01 11:56:26 btw.. whats the size of the window if it is in normal view.. Jul 01 11:56:33 also not fullscreen? Jul 01 11:56:42 you shouldn't care Jul 01 11:57:01 k Jul 01 11:57:18 800x600 full... no idea about smaller size :) Jul 01 11:57:24 :) Jul 01 11:59:27 anyone here with os x leopard? Jul 01 12:02:53 no sorry... Jul 01 12:03:00 :P Jul 01 12:04:13 i never knew there was a punisher movie released last year Jul 01 12:04:25 I've fixed high-end gaming mouse Microsoft Habu with a needle, lighter, screwdriver and a kitchen knife :D Jul 01 12:04:43 oh, and some liquid nails :D Jul 01 12:05:08 lbt: I have already built latest sources of qt in scratchbox and at the moment trying to start up a sample qt application... on the other side I wanted to know how can I install the qt libraries to N810 once I got it build for arm target Jul 01 12:42:57 how can I free the internal memory card, I have no documents on it, just apps, (not that many actually) but already have a 4% free and I have a 16GB card in the slot that is 97% free Jul 01 12:44:32 caotic: Do you mean / or /media/mmc2 ? Jul 01 12:46:10 BTW, http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/07/01/nokia_java_runtime/ Jul 01 12:46:32 Apparently, they managed to hog all the memory again, even on S60e5 Jul 01 12:47:18 RST38h: /media/mmc2 Jul 01 12:47:41 caotic: Are you sure you have apps on /media/mmc2? It does not allow placing executable files there Jul 01 12:48:13 RST38h: interesting Jul 01 12:48:46 I am not sure actually Jul 01 12:49:44 just got the n810 yesterday and already have 92 MB free on / and 78 MB free on mmc2 Jul 01 12:49:58 caotic: ok, 92MB on / is ok Jul 01 12:50:19 78MB free on mmc2 is kinda abnormal but if you are in the US, it may be Jul 01 12:50:28 Hi Jul 01 12:50:37 caotic: do du /media/mmc2 | sort -rn |more Jul 01 12:50:58 caotic: This will show disk usage by directory name and sort the list so that the worst offenders are on top Jul 01 12:51:36 right Jul 01 12:51:55 thanks :D always wondered how to fetch that info :D Jul 01 12:52:15 caotic: it may hang for a bit, as sort usually takes time Jul 01 12:54:07 maps is taking a big chuck, not really planning on using it unless I can stored on my external memory Jul 01 12:54:17 RST38h: thanks a lot man Jul 01 12:56:12 what the hell Jul 01 12:56:33 it was so hot last week you couldn't stay outside for more than 5 minutes without being drenched in your own sweat Jul 01 12:56:39 and today it is in the 60s Jul 01 12:57:17 caotic: I would keep maps (would erase one coast if you are in the US though) Jul 01 12:57:31 caotic: There are some sample videos and soundtracks though, kill those Jul 01 12:58:34 RST38h: well, I am not in US ... so, there is no chance I will be visting zoon Jul 01 12:59:04 mabe I should just ln ./maps to /media/mmc1/somethingelse Jul 01 12:59:09 that may work Jul 01 12:59:33 caotic: mmc1 and mmc2 are basically equivalent, so there is no reason to worry too much about mmc2 Jul 01 12:59:46 just keep your stuff on mmc1, that's all Jul 01 13:01:03 RST38h: what do you mean by that ? Jul 01 13:01:12 being equivalent Jul 01 13:01:31 caotic: there is no advantage in keeping data on mmc2 rather than mmc1 Jul 01 13:01:40 caotic: any data that is Jul 01 13:02:14 really, but when installing applications all memory consumed is from mmc2 isnt it ? Jul 01 13:02:24 no, applications install to / Jul 01 13:02:32 mmc2 can't even have executable files Jul 01 13:03:11 Applications data (especially games data) may install to mmc1 or mmc2, there is usually a dialog letting you choose during installation Jul 01 13:03:22 I see Jul 01 13:04:16 makes sense, but still is maps is taking almos 750 MB .. :P Jul 01 13:05:07 err: 1.7 Gs thats a little excessive dont you think ? Jul 01 13:05:09 I made backup on pc, erased them and formated ext3 Jul 01 13:06:20 caotic: What country are you in? Jul 01 13:06:50 * RST38h does not remember any maps taking that much space, other than US (both coasts) Jul 01 13:07:45 RST38h: mexico Jul 01 13:09:32 Run Map application and see what maps you have installed. If you have got US maps, discard them Jul 01 13:09:48 May want to back them up to a PC of course, just in case Jul 01 13:11:19 east usa 784, west usa 725 .. that sounds right ? Jul 01 13:14:52 yea Jul 01 13:15:39 I think if I need them I ll just redownload, or is it a very slow servers (the ones serving the maps ) ? Jul 01 13:16:24 no idea, it has been a while Jul 01 13:17:36 RST38h: right , thats ok Jul 01 13:26:25 what you guys think of mp3tunes.com? is it all that usefull or the free account is not whort it ? Jul 01 13:59:06 i have installed diablo 4.1.2,but i can't install Xserver properly Jul 01 13:59:26 Is there anyone who can help me out? Jul 01 14:05:55 * lbt waves to sleeping Jul 01 14:17:48 * GAN800 feels more and more like Nokia is repaying with "Really, we don't want your time or your business." Jul 01 14:18:17 GAN: True but the sad thing is that this can be applied to just about any corporation nowadays Jul 01 14:39:47 GAN800, specific examples (except for flasher for PPC)? Jul 01 17:28:50 how can i get gconf-client.h? im pretty sure i have gconf installed ..im trying to compile a program that uses (#include ) but don't seem to have it....similar to: http://wiki.forum.nokia.com/index.php/Maemo:_Using_GConf Jul 01 17:31:22 z4chh, on my diablo sdk installation that file is provided by libgconf2-dev package Jul 01 17:31:42 libgconf2-dev: /usr/include/gconf/2/gconf/gconf-client.h Jul 01 17:32:55 ahh Jul 01 17:33:04 that is the package i needed :| Jul 01 17:34:42 i was wondering how the heck i couldn't compile my program that uses gconf-client.h..when i had a installed software such as advanced backlight that uses it Jul 01 17:35:31 libgconf2 provides the library itself (already compiled applications only need that) Jul 01 17:35:48 libgconf2-dev provides include files and other things you need to compile software which uses the library Jul 01 17:36:28 aye Jul 01 17:36:48 newbie developer mistake :\ Jul 01 17:37:11 thanks javispedro Jul 01 17:46:16 ~seen ShadowJK Jul 01 17:46:19 shadowjk is currently on #maemo #nslu2-linux #openslug. Has said a total of 123 messages. Is idling for 20h 6m 15s, last said: 'I guess when with cpu idle, screen, bluetooth, wlan, gps, usb and audio off the battery lasts a week or more, there was no need for STR :)'. Jul 01 17:46:39 ShadowJK, I already got the free Openttd data files in extras-devel Jul 01 17:47:00 seems they are way more complete than I expected Jul 01 17:47:29 and fully GPLv2 :) Jul 01 17:53:58 javis: I tried installing OpenTTD from Extras, it seemed to install but did not run :( Jul 01 17:54:13 Going to try again in a moment, after cleaning the tablet Jul 01 17:57:27 javis: Nope, it does not run Jul 01 17:57:36 Hello, is there a package somewhere that contains kernel modules not normally needed/installed? Like the CDRom module, USB Modems,... Jul 01 17:58:05 javis: What is the executable name anyway? Jul 01 18:00:10 Fails with "Error: Cannot open file 'sample.cat' Jul 01 18:01:52 Ok, made it run: it is missing the data Jul 01 18:02:28 javis: Millions of thanks for the proper scrolling mechanism Jul 01 18:05:47 XChat does not blink if you call me by "javis" only (even though I believe I configured it to do so) ;) Jul 01 18:06:17 RST38h: yes, the extras version requires commercial data or installing the (for now) extras-devel opengfx package Jul 01 18:07:39 kinetic rules Jul 01 18:07:50 a few days ago I would've called it a gimmick Jul 01 18:08:23 but must admit, one can really get used to that Jul 01 18:09:18 the algorithm I used is based on HildonPannableArea's Jul 01 18:09:30 (which is btw based on OpenMoko's. open source rules.) Jul 01 18:10:39 (kinetic scrolling is only implemented in the extras-devel version, just in case you're wondering why it does not work :D) Jul 01 18:13:50 javis: The version in Extras does not appear to have kinetic and still rules Jul 01 18:14:08 javis: definitely needs bigger window titles though Jul 01 18:14:46 javis: also, close icon (top right corner) should quit app unconditionally Jul 01 18:14:57 this last one should be easy to fix Jul 01 18:15:09 javis: ESC key (the one with back arrow) should probably bring up Quit dialog Jul 01 18:15:19 Or a game top menu if it exists Jul 01 18:16:43 i stopped trying to get bigger widgets when I noticed not only I would need to review each form definition but also most ui graphics Jul 01 18:16:54 oh Jul 01 18:17:01 well there is a way to avoid that Jul 01 18:17:08 double the size. Jul 01 18:17:25 though about that Jul 01 18:17:37 enabling the xsp while drawing most windows Jul 01 18:17:38 no, really, doubled size will be just right really Jul 01 18:17:45 but disabling it while drawing main window Jul 01 18:21:55 javispedro: you are putting too much effort into it, the maemo way is "if it compiles and runs, release and move on" Jul 01 18:26:21 well, that proves I still have a lot to learn :D Jul 01 18:32:18 * RST38h meaningfully swings a baseball bat in ukki's direction =) Jul 01 18:40:49 * javispedro calls it a day and goes back to do some real work Jul 01 18:46:39 Dell accidentally sells 140,000 monitors for $15 a pop Jul 01 18:46:41 Hehe Jul 01 18:47:52 somehow I missed that deal Jul 01 18:48:03 It happened in .TW Jul 01 18:48:06 So no wonder Jul 01 18:50:57 this remembers me when I RMA'd my 17'' LCD , Dell called me to verify "If I would accept a monitor with equal or better specs than the one I sent them", then received a 23'' LCD Box.... with the very same 17'' LCD inside. Jul 01 19:03:13 javis: When autosave enabled, the game periodically throws up messages "autosave failed" Jul 01 19:03:36 javis: also does not seem to have the app icon, let me know if you want to know how to add one Jul 01 19:19:23 wha? it has the icon, i assure you Jul 01 19:19:50 is it 0.7.1? Jul 01 19:31:48 so uh, can maemo suspend the device? silly question :P Jul 01 19:32:20 I haven't seen any suspend modes in any videos Jul 01 19:33:04 auntieNeo: yes it can Jul 01 19:33:09 no-one uses it Jul 01 19:34:00 why not? Jul 01 19:34:02 as it happens I mentioned it yesterday... you can look in /etc/mce/mce.ini Jul 01 19:34:12 mmm Jul 01 19:34:16 as someone said... it lasts for a week on just low power mode Jul 01 19:34:21 who needs suspend ;) Jul 01 19:34:26 lol Jul 01 19:34:34 people who need it to last two weeks? xD Jul 01 19:34:51 hence /etc/mce/mce.ini Jul 01 19:34:53 ;) Jul 01 19:53:28 murrayc: meant to say thanks BTW Jul 01 19:54:10 For what? Jul 01 19:54:30 you had an Eddie Reader CD on your blog site... Jul 01 19:54:41 It's very good, isn't it. Jul 01 19:54:48 it is... Jul 01 19:55:03 I had it on near constant play for a couple of months. Jul 01 19:55:03 We saw her live about a year ago Jul 01 19:55:11 IIRC Jul 01 19:55:15 That must have been fun. I've never seen her. Jul 01 19:55:27 she's different :) Jul 01 19:55:34 She's Scots. Jul 01 19:55:38 very Jul 01 19:55:51 great night thoug Jul 01 19:56:34 my wife's a bit of a music expert Jul 01 19:56:48 and was very impressed at the way she had set them Jul 01 19:57:06 to essentially 'period' music Jul 01 19:57:14 very true to the times Jul 01 19:57:21 I just enjoyed it :) Jul 01 19:57:53 Also.... what did you think about using a SmartQ as a remote display for a beagleboard? Jul 01 19:58:13 Ibt John McClusker seems to be responsible for that. I must follow up on him. Jul 01 19:58:50 it was initially tongue in cheek... but actually I'd like to hear if it's viable Jul 01 19:58:52 I had never heard of SmartQ until yesterday. Jul 01 19:59:07 well goshawk who hangs around here Jul 01 19:59:13 imports them to Europe Jul 01 19:59:33 210 euros for a 7" N800 Jul 01 20:00:17 anyhow... just an idea.... Jul 01 20:11:05 Any of the smartq owners benchmarked the wlan on it yet? Jul 01 20:11:22 On N8x0 it seems to max out at about 800kbyte/s with massive CPU use Jul 01 20:27:31 Hi Jul 01 20:37:20 do atoms run 64bit? Jul 01 20:41:13 Macer: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X86-64 yes Jul 01 20:44:46 Some of them don't Jul 01 20:45:01 i was going to sell my macbook and get a netbook Jul 01 20:45:03 was just curious Jul 01 20:45:27 Macer: no netbook, they are slow Jul 01 20:45:37 but they are a lot smaller Jul 01 20:45:46 and 1.6GHz to 2.13GHz ..? Jul 01 20:45:47 :) Jul 01 20:46:04 i think i can handle the lack of speed.. i'm sure opensolaris will make up for the speed loss Jul 01 20:46:14 OR MAYBE.. i'll put mer on it :-D Jul 01 20:46:54 Atom N2XX does NOT do 64bit. Atom Z5XX does NOT do 64bit. Atom 220 and Atom 330 DOES support 64bit. Jul 01 20:47:34 keep in mind that a core2 at 1GHz is probably as fast as Atom at 2Ghz :) Jul 01 20:47:42 lol Jul 01 20:47:49 but probably sucks up 4x the power Jul 01 20:47:50 core2 solo Jul 01 20:48:10 and gives off 4x the heat Jul 01 20:48:31 either way. i want to get rid of this damn macbook Jul 01 20:48:36 johnsq, right Jul 01 20:48:38 * Macer goes to use his ebay account he hasn't used in YEARS Jul 01 20:48:39 lol Jul 01 20:48:56 damn i don't even remember my login or password haha Jul 01 20:49:12 * ShadowJK has a dualcore atom on his desk Jul 01 20:49:26 genuinely dual core, the OS sees 4 CPUs :P Jul 01 20:55:27 woah! awesome. Jul 01 20:55:40 i remembered my ebay login/password Jul 01 20:56:17 good luck selling compuer hardware on ebay Jul 01 20:56:24 lol Jul 01 20:56:31 be prepared to have some nigerian win every auction you post Jul 01 20:56:42 seriously? Jul 01 20:56:55 then ask you to cash a $10,00 check and send the laptop and the rest of the money to his "son" in nigeria Jul 01 20:56:59 pretty much Jul 01 20:57:09 oh cmon. it can't be that bad Jul 01 20:57:14 i've bought things from ebay before :) Jul 01 20:57:18 heh, maybe not, you'll find out Jul 01 20:57:20 never sold anything though Jul 01 20:57:24 laptops? Jul 01 20:57:43 bought a G3 a while back Jul 01 20:57:44 :) Jul 01 20:57:47 heh Jul 01 20:57:53 i thought ebay doesn't allow for negative uhm Jul 01 20:57:57 what's the word i'm looking for... Jul 01 20:58:02 negative feedback about sellers? Jul 01 20:58:28 i could try craigslist but i am not selling underage girls as prostitutes Jul 01 20:59:05 lol Jul 01 20:59:11 try ebay, let me know how it goes Jul 01 20:59:16 I'm curious Jul 01 20:59:22 maybe it's better now Jul 01 21:00:04 lol Jul 01 21:00:12 ok Jul 01 21:00:21 i have to windex it off and take pictures of it Jul 01 21:00:39 i have a clear cover on it so once i take it off it will look brand new on the outside Jul 01 21:00:45 i want to get a netbook instead Jul 01 21:00:52 this thing has gotten on my last nerve Jul 01 21:01:40 heh Jul 01 21:43:41 hm Jul 01 21:45:36 hello all. can someone tell me where files go when you place them on the n800? Jul 01 21:45:59 I don't know where it mounts when you connect over usb. Jul 01 21:48:51 damn vbox runs great Jul 01 21:48:58 i sure wish i had a cpu that supported virtualization :) Jul 01 21:49:11 guess that will have to wait for the next system Jul 01 21:49:21 hey folks Jul 01 21:49:58 does anybody here know much about Python && Maemo 4? Jul 01 21:51:05 anyone able to help me out? Jul 01 21:51:16 jaem depends on what you need. Jul 01 21:51:41 tds5016: I was following an example on the forums to make a simple Home Widget Jul 01 21:51:53 yeah, I'm out ;-) haha. Jul 01 21:52:02 okay, thanks anyhow Jul 01 21:52:14 I'm still learning Python, so it might be something stupid on my part Jul 01 21:52:53 I can take a look at the python, I'm not an expert in the language, but I can spot something obvious. Jul 01 21:52:59 sure, thanks Jul 01 21:53:10 I just can't promise I'll be able to tell what's going on with the OS. ;-) Jul 01 21:53:12 right Jul 01 21:53:19 one sec, and I'll Pastebin it Jul 01 21:53:33 good news Jul 01 21:54:44 I was probably in a bit over my head, just reading the GTK docs and essentially translating a really basic PyQt widget for a different platform into something for Maemo, so it probably is my fault Jul 01 21:55:59 hmm, pygtk is certainly a different beast ;-) Jul 01 21:56:30 yes - it looked simple enough Jul 01 21:56:32 you wouldn't happen to know where the damned file system is mounted when you plug into a pc? Jul 01 21:56:47 which filesystem? Jul 01 21:56:52 (more specifically a mac, but it shouldn't make a difference. haha) Jul 01 21:57:08 I wanna know where files go on the n800 when you plug in the n800 to the pc. Jul 01 21:57:12 oh Jul 01 21:57:18 well, it should show up as two mass-storage devices Jul 01 21:57:23 corresponding to your two SD cards Jul 01 21:57:37 tds5016: The N800 unmounts the cards from the device when you plug in the cable. Jul 01 21:57:40 at least, that's how it works on the N810 Jul 01 21:57:56 qwerty12_N810: thanks for pointing that out Jul 01 21:58:34 thanks. how exactly do I find the files. Jul 01 21:58:35 haha. Jul 01 21:58:43 I tossed a python file on it, and I need to run it ;-) Jul 01 21:58:47 that reminds me - can one just mount the onboard jffs2 rootfs normally, or is there a special procedure? Jul 01 21:58:55 tds5016: /media/mmc1 or mmc2 Jul 01 21:59:02 yeah, no dice :-/. Jul 01 21:59:05 oh? Jul 01 21:59:07 the n800 doesn't have bluetooth? Jul 01 21:59:10 what's in /media Jul 01 21:59:11 yep Jul 01 21:59:12 it does Jul 01 21:59:34 mmc1 & mmc2 Jul 01 21:59:37 tds5016: is your N800 new? Jul 01 21:59:41 and the file isn't in there? Jul 01 22:00:14 the file's not there. Jul 01 22:00:14 jaem: you can mount it from initfs or an mmc booted system but my efforts in getting the node exported over usb via g_file_storage amounted to shit-all :/ Jul 01 22:00:32 tds5016: is the back cover on Jul 01 22:00:39 and is the little flap closed Jul 01 22:00:59 qwerty12_N810: I just need to pull my python files off of it Jul 01 22:01:05 which node is it again? Jul 01 22:01:10 what flap? Jul 01 22:01:14 N800? Jul 01 22:01:17 lbt: yep Jul 01 22:01:26 jaem: /dev/mtdblock4 Jul 01 22:01:32 at the bottom under the handle is a flap for the external mmc Jul 01 22:01:40 qwerty12_N810: any switches? -t? That's what I tried before Jul 01 22:01:50 jaem: -t jffs2 :) Jul 01 22:01:55 riiiiight Jul 01 22:02:10 yeah, n800 Jul 01 22:02:28 so tds5016 is that flap closed? Jul 01 22:02:33 I just snapped something off of it. hahaha! I hope that didn't rbeak it. Jul 01 22:02:33 qwerty12_N810: why is it that the switches aren't always needed on some systems? Jul 01 22:02:47 lbt: the big flap on the back, yes. Jul 01 22:03:20 and the one that's covered up when you shut the handle/stand Jul 01 22:03:21 now it showed up randomly... Jul 01 22:03:27 jaem: /etc/fstab entries afaik Jul 01 22:03:35 okay Jul 01 22:03:38 well, it worked now Jul 01 22:03:49 ...after /me remembered to actually make sure the mount point *existed* Jul 01 22:03:49 heh Jul 01 22:03:50 there are magnets that detect that the covers are closed and unmount the mmc cards .... ask me how long I spent... Jul 01 22:04:07 lbt: so that's how they do it... Jul 01 22:04:09 on the N810 too? Jul 01 22:04:18 the magnets, that is Jul 01 22:04:27 I guess so.... ask qwerty12_N810 Jul 01 22:05:39 gah... K3B is much too triumphant when it burns a disc successfully Jul 01 22:05:44 it could do with less fanfare Jul 01 22:05:47 literally... Jul 01 22:05:52 ;) Jul 01 22:06:22 does the n800 not come with a gps? Jul 01 22:06:27 tds5016: nope Jul 01 22:06:31 that came in the N810 Jul 01 22:06:45 although you're not missing much - the internal gps isn't very good Jul 01 22:06:54 yeah, I have an n810 too. Jul 01 22:06:59 I'm trying to write the program to work on both. Jul 01 22:07:00 haha. Jul 01 22:07:08 how do I get to the bluetooth on the n800? Jul 01 22:07:19 tds5016: I would think that a BT gps unit would work with the gpsd the same way Jul 01 22:07:25 see ^ Jul 01 22:07:37 I've got a bluetooth gps ;-) Jul 01 22:07:42 ah Jul 01 22:07:44 then pair it Jul 01 22:07:50 haha, I need to figure out how to access the bluetooth on the n800 to pair it. Jul 01 22:07:53 I haven't tried, but I don't think it's terribly difficult Jul 01 22:07:57 ont he n810 it's in the connection settings :-/. Jul 01 22:07:58 also, minigpsd is better Jul 01 22:08:07 oh, that's what you mean Jul 01 22:08:10 meant* Jul 01 22:08:12 ;-) Jul 01 22:08:27 tds5016: Control Panel -> GPS Location Jul 01 22:08:30 minigpsd? I'm just using python's pygpsbt ;-) Jul 01 22:08:45 tds5016: I meant the system daemon Jul 01 22:08:55 not the module to access gps functions Jul 01 22:08:57 oh, gotchya ;-) Jul 01 22:08:58 thanks! Jul 01 22:09:37 anyone know package i can install to get iwlib.h? ...google didn't have much to say :| Jul 01 22:09:53 oh, how I don't wanna try to get them to buy more gps devices. haha. Jul 01 22:09:54 the maemo sdk installer is pretty bad... if it fails to download one of its thousands of packages, you have to start all over :( Jul 01 22:10:24 auntieNeo: I know - I'm not a fan Jul 01 22:10:35 z4chh: libiw-dev Jul 01 22:11:07 sweet thanks qwerty Jul 01 22:11:07 many thanks guys! Jul 01 22:11:07 why can't they just use a tarball? as far as I can tell, it's just extracting them <_< Jul 01 22:11:32 completely OT, but has anybody seen a website where you can submit a photo of an unidentifiable object so the Internets can tell you what it is? Jul 01 22:11:48 I have something really strange that a friend gave me as a gag gift, just to confuse me Jul 01 22:12:03 imageshack+irc? Jul 01 22:12:07 or 4chan? ;P Jul 01 22:12:15 auntieNeo: I stay away from 4chan Jul 01 22:12:22 but that is still a valid suggestion, I suppose Jul 01 22:12:23 heh Jul 01 22:12:37 I was mostly kidding :P Jul 01 22:12:53 you could always try it though Jul 01 22:20:15 hmm Jul 01 22:20:29 is there an actual reference for the hildon-desktop python bindings anywhere? Jul 01 22:20:31 I couldn't find one Jul 01 22:24:47 the other thing... Jul 01 22:24:59 the n800 camera deal... Jul 01 22:25:03 it's stupid as all hell... Jul 01 22:25:13 it flips around, but makes everything upside down. haha. Jul 01 22:26:00 I don't want to have to account for that. the n8100 will KEEP everything upside down fi you physically flip the device too. if it's smart enough to do that, I shouldn't have to account for it in my software. haha. Jul 01 22:26:19 tds5016: that would make things too easy ;) Jul 01 22:26:22 what are you coding? Jul 01 22:26:57 video streaming stuff... it's a little more involved, and I'm not allowed to get that detailed :-/. Jul 01 22:27:08 s/and/but Jul 01 22:27:38 *raises eyebrow* Jul 01 22:27:39 okay Jul 01 22:28:10 the other thing that is getting really old... the folks in the network operations center that are telling me that the ports I need open are opened. Jul 01 22:28:24 they got ONE of the ten I actually need opened opened. Jul 01 22:28:28 ha Jul 01 22:28:35 where are you working? Jul 01 22:28:51 Penn State at the moment. Jul 01 22:29:33 I'm in a research department here that is funded by ARL and a couple of larger companies. Jul 01 22:29:41 defense* Jul 01 22:29:55 In about a month or so, I'm going to Cali to work for Cisco though. haha. Jul 01 22:29:59 nice Jul 01 22:30:34 but I like it here, I'm going to miss the environment of working at a research university. Jul 01 22:30:50 * jaem_afk nods Jul 01 22:30:54 * jaem_afk is afk Jul 01 22:30:55 I've only been outa school for about a few months, and I already miss undergrad! Jul 01 22:31:11 * tds5016 is done being off topic. haha. Jul 01 22:33:39 topics, we don't need no stinking topics Jul 01 22:34:33 haha, good call. Jul 01 22:54:12 hello Jul 01 22:54:23 I've just inserted a memory stick in my n810, how to foramt it? Jul 01 22:54:27 format Jul 01 22:54:35 or should I say partition Jul 01 22:56:32 veganman: it's probably easier to do it from your PC Jul 01 22:56:53 but if you want, you can use the mkfs.vfat command in the console (I'm not sure if it's installed by default) Jul 01 22:57:09 whatever you do, you'll probably want to format it FAT32, for interoperability with Windows Jul 01 22:59:19 is it possible to use the bootmenu to have items for the same partition, but multiple kernels? Jul 01 23:01:06 I'm sorry I don't have windows... Jul 01 23:02:08 nor I have a memory stick reader on my peecee Jul 01 23:02:13 I would have to do it from the nokia Jul 01 23:02:14 how? Jul 01 23:14:02 andre__, formfactor changes, endless delays, all of the unfulfilled promises. Jul 01 23:20:36 veganman: sorry, I have to run - someone else should be able to help you, though, if you stick around Jul 01 23:21:10 sorry, if I don't own windows Jul 01 23:22:27 okay, so I've got this maemo sandbox running... where does maemo store Images and Documents and crap? Jul 01 23:22:34 under the sandbox hiarchy Jul 01 23:27:46 uh, there's a bunch of hidden folders under MyDocs, like .images, but I've put files in there and they don't show up in the maemo gui Jul 01 23:28:09 maybe the sandbox just doesn't work like it does natively :/ Jul 01 23:31:56 scratchbox Jul 01 23:32:59 yes, that :P Jul 01 23:33:03 I got confused Jul 01 23:33:14 But, no, I can't help. Jul 01 23:33:14 it is a type of sandbox Jul 01 23:33:21 Haven't really used scratchbox before Jul 01 23:33:21 lol, it's okay :P Jul 01 23:33:26 One a cat might utilize. Jul 01 23:33:36 Which is an apt comparison. Jul 01 23:49:15 anyone know of a simple python api for interfacing with jabber? Jul 01 23:52:53 pyjabber Jul 01 23:53:33 wooo, my app works in sandbox with NO effort on my part :D Jul 01 23:53:46 well, it's not even my app either :P Jul 01 23:53:49 <3 open source Jul 01 23:57:55 crashanddie: is pyjabber available on maemo? Jul 01 23:58:55 anyone able to point me in a direction for writing a messaging app on maemo? Jul 01 23:59:13 I technically need to write a messaging add-in to a current project I'm working on. haha. Jul 02 00:00:58 heh, what do you mean, messaging app? Jul 02 00:01:17 tds5016: use telepathy, its the built-in messaging framework Jul 02 00:01:27 tds5016: telepathy has python bindings already Jul 02 00:01:41 Robot101: will that allow me to write a custom interface? Jul 02 00:01:49 and send messages back and forth secrurely? Jul 02 00:01:49 user interface? yes Jul 02 00:02:08 securely, between you and the server, yes... Jul 02 00:02:08 I bassically already have an application written in python, I need to add messaging support to it. Jul 02 00:02:31 Robot101 are there some docs or tutorials you could point me at to get me started? Jul 02 00:02:37 sounds like exactly what I need. Jul 02 00:03:25 tds5016: telepathy-python has examples in - http://git.collabora.co.uk/?p=telepathy-python.git;a=tree;f=examples;h=d52252093afecdd2d5dc9a11ab99f4fce5e3293c;hb=HEAD Jul 02 00:03:53 Robot101: do I need to install anything on my devices? Jul 02 00:04:05 aka the libraries, etc. are already there? Jul 02 00:04:27 I don't know if anyone packaged the python bindings for maemo Jul 02 00:04:56 https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/extras-cauldron-builds/2009-March/005830.html Jul 02 00:04:59 maybe someone did Jul 02 00:07:02 can't find telepathy-python :-/. Jul 02 00:09:51 also, if I use telepathy, do I need to set up a telepathy server? Jul 02 00:10:47 what do you mean a server? Jul 02 00:10:55 the telepathy XMPP backend connects to normal XMPP servers Jul 02 00:11:00 where are messages being sent/to? Jul 02 00:11:13 sorry, I don't understand messaging protocols all that well :-/. Jul 02 00:11:41 you sign in to an XMPP account on an XMPP server, like GTalk is an XMPP server Jul 02 00:12:38 okay, would I need to set up an xmpp server? Jul 02 00:12:48 or... COULD I set up an xmpp server? Jul 02 00:13:17 honestly, the ideal situation would be if I could just use jabber, because we already have the server set up and running. Jul 02 00:13:17 you wouldn't, you can use gmail, or jabber.org, or there are loads more free ones Jul 02 00:13:27 XMPP *is* jabber Jul 02 00:13:38 oh, gotchya :-) Jul 02 00:14:22 (off topic, but I'm seeing a lot of information about libpurple Jul 02 00:14:48 mmm... my app segfaults when it calls opendir() :/ Jul 02 00:15:19 tds5016: telepathy-haze uses libpurple to connect to the protocols which telepathy doesn't support natively Jul 02 00:15:48 tds5016: but telepathy has its own eg XMPP, SIP, link-local XMPP (bonjour/rendezvous), IRC and MSN backends which have more functionality Jul 02 00:15:52 hmm, could I just go straight to python-purple, because it looks like it's actually already packaged for the maemo Jul 02 00:17:34 woah, why the heck does this thing call ntp_gettime()? :s Jul 02 00:19:43 Robot101: thanks for your help! I'll probably be back tomorrow bugging you for help. haha. Jul 02 00:19:59 I've gotta get home. it's 8:30, and my workday was over at 5. haha. Jul 02 00:25:24 do you have to access files in a different way with maemo? it seems that I always segfault when I try to do anything to do with files Jul 02 00:25:42 actually, sometimes it segfaults... Jul 02 00:25:50 but other times __fsetlocking() aborts Jul 02 00:26:06 mmm Jul 02 00:39:27 I downloaded maemo virtual sdk and Esbox_2.0.0-M4.Howerver,there is no maemo when i open Esbox Jul 02 00:40:14 help,help Jul 02 00:41:44 um, you have to run a command to start the maemo gui... Jul 02 00:42:12 which I forgot :P Jul 02 00:42:46 af-sb-init.sh start Jul 02 00:42:48 is the command :P Jul 02 00:42:54 you have to run it from inside scratchbox Jul 02 00:43:46 but uh, you have to be running an x server as well... you should read the documentation :P Jul 02 00:44:00 I'm not using eclipse, so I wouldn't know Jul 02 00:48:07 where to run command to start the maemo gui. Jul 02 00:48:25 I am in windows Jul 02 00:49:27 The Esbox is as same as eclipse.is it right? Jul 02 00:49:55 All i downloaded is the virtural sdk image and Esbox. Jul 02 00:50:54 uh, with windows I'm not very sure Jul 02 00:51:19 Not at all Jul 02 00:51:32 wow, the documentation is very Linux specific... Jul 02 00:51:41 yeah Jul 02 00:51:49 is it even possible to run maemo in windows? the way scratchbox works, I doubt it :s Jul 02 00:52:06 susan: i think you need to get a VM and run ubuntu or something Jul 02 00:52:17 yeah Jul 02 00:52:19 susan: virtual box is free Jul 02 00:52:25 and uh, vmware player Jul 02 00:52:37 i am runing in vmplayer Jul 02 00:52:59 i use command vmplayer *.vmx Jul 02 00:53:15 it will start vitual machine. Jul 02 00:53:42 some one posted a vmware image a while back... hold on, I have to look in my logs :P Jul 02 00:53:55 thanks Jul 02 00:54:18 01:44 < X-Fade> auntieNeo: http://maemovmware.garage.maemo.org/ Jul 02 00:54:20 01:45 < X-Fade> auntieNeo: Or better http://maemovmware.garage.maemo.org/beta1/ Jul 02 00:54:38 np Jul 02 00:55:08 yeah,i downloaded from this url. Jul 02 00:55:16 it's not working? Jul 02 00:55:48 No,the Esbox is not working Jul 02 00:56:15 the virtual sdk image is working normolly Jul 02 00:56:44 The Esbox is like eclipse. Jul 02 00:57:05 try running "/scratchbox/login" from a command prompt Jul 02 00:57:25 yeah Jul 02 00:57:35 i can run it Jul 02 00:57:41 also, check this out if you haven't yet: http://maemo.org/maemo_release_documentation/maemo4.1.x/node4.html Jul 02 00:57:42 vmware is not free Jul 02 00:57:58 Luke-Jr: the player is free as in beer Jul 02 00:58:04 auntieNeo: that's "gratis", not free Jul 02 00:58:13 it is indeed free ;P Jul 02 00:58:15 no Jul 02 00:58:18 by certain definitions Jul 02 00:58:21 it's *free of charge* Jul 02 00:58:23 dude, I'll pumel you Jul 02 00:58:25 aka gratis Jul 02 00:58:32 you're abusing the English language Jul 02 00:58:32 <_< Jul 02 00:58:34 >:/ Jul 02 00:58:37 no, you are Jul 02 00:58:41 no u Jul 02 00:58:42 gratis is spanish Jul 02 00:58:46 gratis is English too Jul 02 00:58:57 "free" != "free of charge" Jul 02 00:59:08 susan: just follow that guide, but skip down to section 3.4, because you don't need to install the SDK I assume Jul 02 00:59:15 language abuser! Jul 02 00:59:41 free Jul 02 00:59:43 adj 1: able to act at will; not hampered; not under compulsion or restraint; "free enterprise"; "a free port"; "a free country"; "I have an hour free"; "free will"; "free of racism"; "feel free to stay as long as you wish"; "a free choice" [ant: unfree] Jul 02 00:59:49 i just want to have a IDE environment. Jul 02 00:59:52 3: costing nothing; "complimentary tickets" [syn: complimentary, costless, gratis(p), gratuitous] Jul 02 01:00:06 language abuser! Jul 02 01:00:06 susan: pfffft, IDE's are for the weak ;P Jul 02 01:00:23 *rolls-eyes* Jul 02 01:00:32 * auntieNeo puts Luke-Jr in the corner with RMS :( Jul 02 01:00:44 for the record, I don't use vmware myself. I use qemu. Jul 02 01:00:49 vmware is a binary blob Jul 02 01:00:52 I do not trust it Jul 02 01:01:02 no wai, RMS compromises! Jul 02 01:01:20 RMS gives free software a bad name by being a bitch :( Jul 02 01:02:21 does anyone in here use eclipse? Jul 02 01:02:32 I tried it once, but it's still loading... Jul 02 01:02:41 :) Jul 02 01:03:49 i am newbie.i think it will be very complex without eclipse. Jul 02 01:04:05 Now i just want to use eclipse. Jul 02 01:04:25 no. IDE's always make things harder than they need to be. If you don't know how it works, what do you do when the IDE fails? :( Jul 02 01:04:38 IDE's are a convenience, but shouldn't be a crutch Jul 02 01:04:41 Like goes with like. Jul 02 01:05:12 yeah,all you do can be completed with command. Jul 02 01:05:15 susan: use that guide and start from section 3.4... it's all layed out so even a newbie can do it Jul 02 01:05:27 it tells you what editor to use and how to list files and everything Jul 02 01:05:39 i think it is a challenge Jul 02 01:06:05 DO I DETECT A CHALLENGE?! :> Jul 02 01:06:11 I love challenges, myself Jul 02 01:06:38 thanks.i have another question. Jul 02 01:06:44 okay Jul 02 01:06:56 do you know how to add chinese support. Jul 02 01:07:04 yeah, I do... hold on... Jul 02 01:07:23 i want to let GtkWiget displaying chinese fonts Jul 02 01:07:28 wait, did you ask this before? Jul 02 01:07:38 yeah. Jul 02 01:07:48 i can't success now Jul 02 01:07:53 http://maemocjk.garage.maemo.org/ Jul 02 01:08:05 I don't think it works for scratchbox though Jul 02 01:08:15 it's easier to test it on a device afterwards Jul 02 01:08:43 yeah,this is the chinese support,but i can't open browser to link it Jul 02 01:09:01 I myself am writting an app that uses chinese fonts... but I probably won't bother installing fonts until I have a device to test it with Jul 02 01:09:43 yeah, i think it should install fonts Jul 02 01:10:20 the fonts is a file with .install extension.how to install it. Jul 02 01:11:37 I'm trying to figure that out myself Jul 02 01:11:58 http://maemocjk.garage.maemo.org/maemo-japanese-support-diablo.install # that's one of the install files, but I can't figure out where the debs are stored... Jul 02 01:12:01 help? :P Jul 02 01:12:05 .installs point to packages in repositories Jul 02 01:12:13 yeah Jul 02 01:12:19 The .install should have the repo URL Jul 02 01:12:44 so, I guess you have to configure your package manager for that repo... Jul 02 01:12:57 The .install does that for you Jul 02 01:13:01 <-- not a debian person :P Jul 02 01:13:04 With Application Manager anyway Jul 02 01:13:05 it won't if you can't open it xD Jul 02 01:14:14 the problem i have is the same as autieNeo. Jul 02 01:14:31 i can't use url to install Jul 02 01:14:34 GeneralAntilles: this is in a scratchbox Jul 02 01:14:42 is there a command? :P Jul 02 01:16:13 * auntieNeo reads the ubuntu documentation :P Jul 02 01:17:02 http://maemocjk.garage.maemo.org/dists/diablo/user/binary-armel/ Jul 02 01:17:19 * GeneralAntilles is handicapped by peanutbutter fingers Jul 02 01:19:20 mmm... this won't work with x86 Jul 02 01:19:38 No x86 binaries Jul 02 01:19:47 Build your own, I guess. Jul 02 01:19:59 I'm lazy :P Jul 02 01:20:04 well, we can still use the fonts Jul 02 01:20:13 we probably won't need the input methods just yet Jul 02 01:24:55 susan: okay, enter these commands, then try it: Jul 02 01:25:02 wget 'http://maemocjk.garage.maemo.org/dists/diablo/user/binary-armel/ttf-baekmuk_2.2-1maemo2_all.deb' Jul 02 01:25:14 dpkg -i ttf-baekmuk_2.2-1maemo2_all.deb Jul 02 01:25:32 ...and then it might work. I haven't tested it myself though, because my app doesn't work yet :P Jul 02 01:25:50 thanks,auntieNeo Jul 02 01:25:57 no problem Jul 02 01:25:58 maybe it will work Jul 02 01:26:04 I hope it does :P Jul 02 01:26:06 it's just a font Jul 02 01:26:25 yeah i think i should install fonts Jul 02 01:27:02 oh, and you run those from inside sbox, of course Jul 02 01:27:16 ok Jul 02 01:30:07 i can install the fonts,but i don't konw whether it works properly. Jul 02 01:30:22 Now i don't install xserver-xephyr. Jul 02 01:31:09 i used command apt-get install xserver-xephyr in sbox and failed Jul 02 01:31:45 it prompt "Couldn't find package xserver-xephyr Jul 02 01:32:10 maybe i should update source.list. Jul 02 01:33:04 any idea? auntieNeo. Jul 02 01:33:05 no, xephyr is not part of sbox, but is used on the side Jul 02 01:33:17 yeah. Jul 02 01:33:19 xephyr is an X server that lets you view what's happening in sbox Jul 02 01:33:20 basically Jul 02 01:33:30 it's confusing if you haven't used linux before :/ Jul 02 01:33:44 yeah.but i can't install it successfully Jul 02 01:33:54 yeah. Jul 02 01:34:31 i know little about it Jul 02 01:34:57 but in a regular command prompt, you're supposed to run Xephyr :2 -host-cursor -screen 800x480x16 -dpi 96 -ac \ Jul 02 01:35:20 it should be installed on your vmware image already Jul 02 01:35:22 ok,wait a sec.i try it Jul 02 01:35:44 yeah,it is not be installed now. Jul 02 01:36:02 really? :s Jul 02 01:36:02 how to install it. Jul 02 01:36:13 yeah Jul 02 01:36:22 i can't run command xephyr Jul 02 01:36:24 did you do a captial X? Xypher? Jul 02 01:36:34 xephyr and Xypher are different commands Jul 02 01:36:57 yeah, i run Xephyr Jul 02 01:37:04 there is no Xephyr Jul 02 01:37:08 hold on Jul 02 01:37:15 ok. Jul 02 01:39:41 does your prompt look like user@system:~$ ? because you can't install Xephyr inside of an sbox prompt Jul 02 01:39:57 the install command would be apt-get install xserver-xephyr... Jul 02 01:40:04 but you can't do it in sbox Jul 02 01:40:20 you do it in ubuntu Jul 02 01:41:26 yeah. Jul 02 01:41:36 i can't do it in sbox Jul 02 01:41:48 no Jul 02 01:41:50 don't do it in sbox Jul 02 01:41:51 yeah.maybe i should do it in ubuntu Jul 02 01:41:53 do it in ubuntu Jul 02 01:41:59 yes Jul 02 01:42:15 Xephyr is like, a window looking into sbox Jul 02 01:42:27 it makes no sense to put it inside of sbox :P Jul 02 01:43:38 I got Japanese fonts to work :D Jul 02 01:43:52 but, they don't work with the title bar... only inside the windows do they work :( Jul 02 01:45:47 it failed again and prompt Unable to fetch some archives,maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing? Jul 02 01:46:00 what failed? Jul 02 01:46:25 unable find some archives. Jul 02 01:46:35 for xephyr? Jul 02 01:46:42 yeah. Jul 02 01:46:50 you should try the Xephyr command before trying to install it Jul 02 01:47:02 ok Jul 02 01:47:06 the image should have Xephyr by default Jul 02 01:47:11 it comes with x.org Jul 02 01:47:37 is it there? :( Jul 02 01:47:53 maybe it has been installed. Jul 02 01:48:27 do this command Jul 02 01:48:33 Xephyr :2 -host-cursor -screen 800x480x16 -dpi 96 -ac \ -extension Composite Jul 02 01:48:43 and then, inside of sbox: Jul 02 01:48:51 [sbox-DIABLO_X86: ~] > export DISPLAY=:2 Jul 02 01:48:59 when i run Xephyr,it prompt "Xephyr:error while loading shared libraries:libfontenc.so.1:can't open object file:No such file or directory" Jul 02 01:49:18 mmmm :/ Jul 02 01:51:15 susan: are you using the vmware image? Jul 02 01:51:19 it prompt "can't open shared object file" Jul 02 01:51:25 yeah. Jul 02 01:51:35 I can't imagine it would be broken like that Jul 02 01:51:38 hmmm... Jul 02 01:52:37 i use file "maemosdk_gutsy-10-07.vmdk" Jul 02 01:52:55 it is used widely. Jul 02 01:53:04 Now i am in windows Jul 02 01:54:17 yeah... Jul 02 01:54:30 I don't understand how ESbox is supposed to work Jul 02 01:57:55 https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/wiki/index.php?ESboxOutsideLinuxWithVirtualMachine&id=192&type=g # I assume you've seen this, right? Jul 02 01:57:57 auntieNeo.Xserver seems not to be installed when i use apt-get install xserver and it prompt "Unmet dependencies" Jul 02 01:58:19 hmmmmm Jul 02 01:58:27 hold on, I'm going to run that VM and see for myself :P Jul 02 01:58:34 it seems that there is a lot of package that need to be installed Jul 02 01:58:47 thank you auntieNeo. Jul 02 01:59:10 according to the ESbox documentation, you need to install cygwin under c:\cygwin Jul 02 01:59:43 mmmm Jul 02 02:00:14 ok,i try it. Jul 02 02:00:55 is there version requirement for cywin? Jul 02 02:01:07 the documentation doesn't say anything Jul 02 02:01:09 just get the latest one Jul 02 02:01:13 it's just for an X server Jul 02 02:02:14 where is the Esbox documentation? Jul 02 02:02:22 https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/wiki/index.php?ESboxOutsideLinuxWithVirtualMachine&id=192&type=g Jul 02 02:02:44 it's big and confusing :( Jul 02 02:03:45 yeah Jul 02 02:03:58 i can't understand clearly Jul 02 02:06:59 autieNeo:thank you very much. Jul 02 02:07:15 susan: uh, after you install cygwin with X, and once you have that VM running... Jul 02 02:07:38 susan: you go to the ESbox menu and go ESbox > Build Machines Jul 02 02:07:48 ok Jul 02 02:08:03 and I think you can configure your VM once you get there Jul 02 02:08:12 this is in windows, running eclipse Jul 02 02:08:19 ok Jul 02 02:18:29 I got CJK to work. I just had to restart Xephyr for the fonts to work. Jul 02 02:18:46 this font isn't very good, but it works Jul 02 02:38:25 What's the secret incantation to install perlmagick in Diablo? Jul 02 02:41:49 Hmmm... I think I'm in a bad state... Jul 02 02:41:51 The following packages have unmet dependencies: perl: Depends: perl-base (= 5.8.3-3osso7) but 5.8.3-3osso9 is to be installed Jul 02 02:41:54 E: Broken packages **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Jul 02 02:59:57 2009