**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Jul 11 02:59:57 2009
Jul 11 03:39:39 <z4chh> generally speaking, if i took my router/wireless ap with me to a hotel that has ethernet in the room...can i setup a wlan relatively easily? ;p
Jul 11 03:42:55 <xnt14> b-man, hi! :)
Jul 11 03:42:58 <xnt14> :):):)
Jul 11 03:43:12 <xnt14> oh shit......
Jul 11 03:43:24 <xnt14> X(
Jul 11 03:43:40 <xnt14> I just screwed up some deps on my nit X(
Jul 11 03:44:10 <xnt14> b-man16, you there?
Jul 11 03:44:43 * b-man16 is back
Jul 11 03:44:43 <xnt14> https://gni06.xceleo.org/
Jul 11 03:44:47 <b-man16>  yup xD
Jul 11 03:44:48 <xnt14> :P
Jul 11 03:44:51 <b-man16> *P
Jul 11 03:44:52 <xnt14> xD
Jul 11 03:44:56 <b-man16> lol
Jul 11 03:45:08 <xnt14> https://gni06.xceleo.org/
Jul 11 03:45:11 <xnt14> ;)
Jul 11 03:45:36 <xnt14> "
Jul 11 03:45:36 <xnt14> "
Jul 11 03:45:36 <xnt14> Welcome to the Globabl Network Infrastructure
Jul 11 03:45:41 <xnt14> ~ gni06
Jul 11 03:45:50 <xnt14> neeed to fix that :P
Jul 11 03:46:07 <xnt14> b-man is your nit fixed?
Jul 11 03:46:37 * b-man16 gets a stupid security error in firefox in windows >X( i f*cking HATE!!!! windows! >:(
Jul 11 03:46:41 <b-man16> not yet
Jul 11 03:46:45 <xnt14> x(
Jul 11 03:46:55 <xnt14> I also hate windows more than ever
Jul 11 03:48:19 * b-man16 got a diagnosis of his tablet from Palco btw :)
Jul 11 03:48:53 <b-man16> the logic board somehow got messed up
Jul 11 03:49:30 <xnt14> :)
Jul 11 03:49:45 <xnt14> so just replace the board?
Jul 11 03:50:15 <b-man16> yup, but it's going to cost $108 dollars to do so
Jul 11 03:50:17 * xnt14 wonders why b-man16 can't hear him on pm xD
Jul 11 03:50:36 <xnt14> $108? :)
Jul 11 03:51:26 <xnt14> better than plunking down $900 on ebay
Jul 11 03:51:37 <b-man16> yes :) :P :)
Jul 11 03:51:52 <b-man16> indeed Xd
Jul 11 03:51:54 <b-man16> lol
Jul 11 04:10:38 <pupnik__> GBA emulator running @ 250fps on iPhone 3gs
Jul 11 04:10:42 <pupnik__> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YlCl5tKi4Y
Jul 11 04:10:51 <pupnik__> 150
Jul 11 04:11:05 <z4chh> i found this interesting
Jul 11 04:11:07 <z4chh> http://www.thinkgeek.com/electronics/retro-gaming/bd6f?cpg=cj
Jul 11 04:12:04 <pupnik> i hear the snes emu is still bad/jittery
Jul 11 04:12:17 <pupnik> otherwise very nice.  first linux boot was shown on it a few days ago
Jul 11 04:12:48 <pupnik> and inexpensive
Jul 11 04:50:03 * xnt14 goes to sleep
Jul 11 04:50:19 <xnt14> if you see b-man tell him ill see him in the morning
Jul 11 06:47:18 <Macer> http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-10185351-1.html
Jul 11 06:47:21 <Macer> I THINK THEY STOLE MER!
Jul 11 06:47:23 <Macer> :)
Jul 11 06:53:53 <Stskeeps> nah, but i would like a sample of that machine
Jul 11 07:15:31 <Jaffa> Morning, all
Jul 11 07:23:20 <Stskeeps> morning jaffa
Jul 11 07:26:35 <thux> morning
Jul 11 07:48:43 <Macer> http://i.gizmodo.com/5162584/always-innovating-touch-book-is-part+netbook-part+tablet-open-source-frankenstein
Jul 11 07:48:52 <Macer> that's the touch book in action i suppose
Jul 11 07:49:02 <Macer> Stskeeps: you should look into that and ditch the n8x0s :)
Jul 11 07:49:16 <Macer> bbl
Jul 11 08:11:45 <pupnik> why do people keep comparing tablets to devices 5 times their size
Jul 11 08:24:59 <Macer> haha
Jul 11 08:25:10 <Macer> well. a tablet is a tablet no matter what its size
Jul 11 08:25:21 <Macer> there is no definition that a tablet must be small
Jul 11 08:25:43 <Macer> but an 8.9 1024x600 tablet would be kind of nice t have
Jul 11 08:25:54 <Macer> and i am very curious on how its tablet based os works
Jul 11 08:26:09 <Macer> i guess with the keyboard hooked up it uses what i suppose is gnome
Jul 11 08:26:26 <Macer> but the tablet ver (which it automatically switches to when the kb is detatched)
Jul 11 08:26:43 <Macer> is like..well.. qtablet i guess :) because that is what it reminded me of
Jul 11 08:26:54 <Macer> seems like it will be using the es stuff also
Jul 11 08:28:55 <pupnik> i would like a voice recognition library on maemo
Jul 11 08:29:04 <pupnik> with some kind of macro framework
Jul 11 08:29:04 <Stskeeps> Macer: we're not religious with what we support. if we have touchbook hardware and a number of conditions are met, we port
Jul 11 08:29:06 <pupnik> or for a little game
Jul 11 08:29:57 <pupnik> "bookmarks" "talk dot maemo"
Jul 11 08:30:30 <pupnik> "google quote snes port quote maemo"
Jul 11 08:31:23 <pupnik> gotta be on top of things from the userland side.  somebodys gonna do it well, and gain the praise
Jul 11 08:32:13 <pupnik> plus, with each generation getting stupider, agents and spoken UIs will become more prevalent
Jul 11 08:32:17 <Stskeeps> voice recognition is bloody heavy
Jul 11 08:32:59 <pupnik> what for have dsp?  :)
Jul 11 08:33:07 <Stskeeps> still
Jul 11 08:33:29 <pupnik> mark mah woids :)  i'd put money on it
Jul 11 08:33:53 <pupnik> conversational UI will be big when done right
Jul 11 08:34:20 <Stskeeps> star trek, eh
Jul 11 08:35:25 <pupnik> yep.  that created a 'subconscious market expectation' in my view
Jul 11 08:36:13 <pupnik> maybe i need to dig out a suit and make a powerpoint
Jul 11 08:36:20 <pupnik> -> ??? -> profit!
Jul 11 08:36:25 <Stskeeps> which is why iphone sold so well?
Jul 11 08:36:52 <pupnik> i do not follow
Jul 11 08:36:58 <Stskeeps> padd
Jul 11 08:37:28 <pupnik> hmm.  dont recall how they look
Jul 11 08:39:11 <pupnik> http://www.pcworld.ca/pcworldContentimages/164195-Slide-15-PADD_slide_1ef213fc-5d0e-46d5-8495-18cae7d4916d.jpg
Jul 11 08:59:31 <pupnik> we should have a way to take pics with camera and tag the pic on our mapview
Jul 11 08:59:36 <pupnik> associate somehow with gps
Jul 11 09:20:14 <Macer> heh
Jul 11 09:20:19 <Macer> conversational ui
Jul 11 09:20:20 <Macer> i dunno man
Jul 11 09:20:42 <Macer> sometimes talking to a device feels kind of stupid
Jul 11 09:20:49 <Macer> unless it could have hardcore responses
Jul 11 09:21:05 <Macer> Stskeeps: i was just joking
Jul 11 09:21:06 <lcuk> "im sorry macer, im afraid i cant do that"
Jul 11 09:21:18 <Macer> lcuk: yup.. that's most likely
Jul 11 09:23:15 <Macer> i thought it odd the only video of a touch book in action was running angstrom
Jul 11 09:23:20 <Macer> i guess they were developing on a beagleboard
Jul 11 09:23:40 <Macer> but the devices they had turned on and they showed it running what looks like gnome on one of them
Jul 11 09:23:51 <Macer> and the other stuff which looks like qtablet
Jul 11 09:24:06 <Macer> then again most news reports have it being released in may or june and it's july and their web site says "in july"
Jul 11 09:24:59 <Stskeeps> yeah.. at least its more tangible than pandora
Jul 11 09:29:15 <pupnik> great idea lcuk :)
Jul 11 09:30:31 <pupnik> but for just macroing commands it's of limited use.  A really clever 'ai' helping accomplish tasks however, that'd be a different thing.
Jul 11 09:31:33 <pupnik> especially if the software could take inputs from the community of users - e.g. correlate spoken wishes with actions, search terms etc taken by the (more experienced) user
Jul 11 09:32:28 <pupnik> might be a security problem with that model though
Jul 11 09:32:31 <pupnik> :)
Jul 11 09:38:35 <lcuk> pupnik, forget security, merely the level of intelligence of the users will be a problem
Jul 11 09:38:49 <lcuk> what one user describes a problem as will be different to others ;)
Jul 11 09:40:03 <pupnik> i just find chatbots interesting
Jul 11 09:40:52 <pupnik> there should also be some way to automatically score users
Jul 11 09:41:07 <pupnik> for e.g. user creates a new document
Jul 11 09:41:16 <pupnik> chatbot asks "what are you doing?"
Jul 11 09:41:53 <pupnik> users give many varied answers, but "creating a new document" is common (as well as homologous statements)
Jul 11 09:42:04 <lcuk> thats a bit long winded aint it
Jul 11 09:42:23 * lcuk has a program for windows called whatamidoing
Jul 11 09:43:23 <pupnik> or 'agent' obvserves a sequence of google/yahoo/altavista searches, notes a set of content searched associated with a session.  agent asks "wat ru doin" - the user responses can be correlated with a variety of actions at a variety of timescales.
Jul 11 09:43:39 <Stskeeps> clippy?
Jul 11 09:43:43 <pupnik> nhahja
Jul 11 09:43:46 <pupnik> yeah
Jul 11 09:44:10 <pupnik> but in this case, the conversational aspect doesn't compete with the eyes for inputs
Jul 11 09:44:17 <pupnik> or hands for mouse/typing
Jul 11 09:44:54 <pupnik> so it's physically seperated to help emphasize it's 'meta os' aspect
Jul 11 09:44:58 <pupnik> its
Jul 11 09:46:19 <lcuk> ur meta os should really have the formfactor of a tissue dispensor
Jul 11 09:46:27 <lcuk> then it can get it ready at the right time :D
Jul 11 09:47:17 <lcuk> "if username==pupnik and searches=='pron&horses&ninjas&midgets' dispense tissue
Jul 11 09:56:52 <pupnik> :D
Jul 11 09:56:59 <pupnik> http://www.unicornbag.com/photogallery/bags.shtml  Mushroom Pr0n
Jul 11 09:58:10 <qwerty12_N810> You don't want to see what people do to carrots...
Jul 11 11:24:14 <javispedro> this rollaly sucks
Jul 11 11:24:23 <javispedro> it is a microb-eal bug and not a hildon_im one
Jul 11 11:25:01 <javispedro> I've been looking the whole time at the wrong culprit
Jul 11 11:25:58 <javispedro> microb-eal "decides" than since the Chr key is not pressed, there's no way that hildon-im could ever filter a hw key press
Jul 11 11:26:16 <javispedro> which is a true assumption in non-ptes layouts
Jul 11 11:27:35 <javispedro> I specially like the hardcoded Chr key scancode in what is not even Maemo-specific code
Jul 11 11:30:51 <javispedro> what's worse, is that Gecko contains much better code doing mostly the same thing, only disabled in MicroB
Jul 11 11:32:49 <Stskeeps> welcome to maemohell
Jul 11 11:33:15 <qwerty12_N810> Population: 250+
Jul 11 11:33:39 * Stskeeps hugs Tear
Jul 11 11:36:49 <Stskeeps> swear to god, i don't understand how it could be so fast on freerunner :P
Jul 11 11:36:53 <Stskeeps> that device is slow like hell
Jul 11 11:37:48 <qwerty12_N810> It's the saviour to MicroB users, can't blame it for being the shit on a freerunner
Jul 11 11:38:30 <Stskeeps> what were you going to study btw? was it history or?
Jul 11 11:39:28 <qwerty12_N810> History, Business Studies, Computing, and English Literature
Jul 11 11:39:32 <Stskeeps> sounds good
Jul 11 11:39:38 <Stskeeps> a good mix for the future
Jul 11 11:41:56 <Macer> wow. talk abou ta shitty article from MS
Jul 11 11:42:00 <Macer> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/using/mobility/learnmore/russel_02march04.mspx
Jul 11 11:42:17 <Macer> was trying to get this xp netbook to automatically tether or connect to the home network with differet settings
Jul 11 11:42:21 <Macer> automatically
Jul 11 11:42:32 <Macer> according to that article it should just kind of work?
Jul 11 11:42:33 <Macer> heh
Jul 11 11:45:09 <javispedro> windows & wireless = no work
Jul 11 11:45:41 <javispedro> it still remember that original "feature" where choosing AES would use TKIP instead
Jul 11 11:45:48 <javispedro> and viceversa
Jul 11 11:46:17 <lcuk> easy mistake to make
Jul 11 11:46:47 <Macer> oh the wifi works fine
Jul 11 11:47:00 <Macer> when i manually config it to tether or to use the home ap
Jul 11 11:47:26 <Macer> just not automatically. i don't understand it since the tethering and home stuff use a different subnet
Jul 11 11:47:27 <glass> Macer: get some 3rd party tool for that
Jul 11 11:47:32 <glass> Macer: widget or somesuch
Jul 11 11:47:35 <Macer> glass: heh
Jul 11 11:47:48 <Macer> or i can just tether a wifi router with openwrt to my phone when the phone is in range
Jul 11 11:47:56 <Macer> and use the router as an ap :)
Jul 11 11:47:59 <glass> hehe
Jul 11 11:48:23 <Macer> wow that would be so damn ghetto
Jul 11 11:49:02 <Macer> almost up to 60 hours without smoking :)
Jul 11 11:49:06 <Macer> go me1
Jul 11 11:49:23 <lcuk> i used to smoke
Jul 11 11:49:30 <lcuk> i still do, but i used to as well
Jul 11 11:51:46 <javispedro> So if microb-eal is not going to allow me to use that gecko code, that gecko code must go to microb-eal :D
Jul 11 12:03:17 <Macer> gecko blah
Jul 11 12:03:40 <Macer> hm
Jul 11 12:03:43 <Macer> new eureka came out
Jul 11 12:03:45 <Macer> going to watch it
Jul 11 12:04:18 <javispedro> <code>gKeyEventChanged = PR_FALSE;  gKeyEventCommitted = PR_FALSE;  gKeyEventChanged = PR_FALSE;</code>
Jul 11 12:04:28 <javispedro> "just in case the computer didn't get the value right the first time"
Jul 11 12:04:40 <javispedro> (this on gecko)
Jul 11 12:05:36 <javispedro> without any comments at all, I'm left to guess if it's a mistake or some nasty weird race condition
Jul 11 12:07:27 <javispedro> and since I'm not going to verify that, I will just blindly copy the double assignment, and as such the friggin initial typo gets replicated once again
Jul 11 12:14:03 <Stskeeps> qwerty12_N810: happen to know if cp foo.{a,b,c,d} is a bashism?
Jul 11 12:14:59 <qwerty12_N810> no, sorry
Jul 11 12:15:02 <Stskeeps> k
Jul 11 12:15:43 <javispedro> Stskeeps: tcsh supports it
Jul 11 12:15:57 <Stskeeps> yeah, but if it's a bash vs dash thing :)
Jul 11 12:16:35 <javispedro> hum... busybox does not
Jul 11 12:23:26 <qwerty12_N810> lintian has it classed as one, anyway
Jul 11 12:23:42 <Stskeeps> interesting
Jul 11 13:38:17 <slonopotamus> try the following command and tell me, what nokians were thinking about when said its 'center' horizontal alignment
Jul 11 13:38:19 <slonopotamus> chroot /mnt/initfs/ text2screen -s 10 -H center -t aaaaaaaaa
Jul 11 13:39:11 <slonopotamus> i'm not going to repeat that behaviour
Jul 11 13:45:50 <thux> does it work in stock diablo?
Jul 11 13:48:38 <slonopotamus> thux, yep
Jul 11 13:50:34 <thux> cool it worked! got many aaa..
Jul 11 13:51:15 <slonopotamus> thux, they're supposed to be centered. but its broken.
Jul 11 13:52:55 <thux> yes text goes up
Jul 11 14:05:37 <slonopotamus> so
Jul 11 14:06:38 <slonopotamus> Stskeeps, i think fb_text2screen is done. it has all features of original text2screen and zero known to me bugs :)
Jul 11 14:08:43 <slonopotamus> it isn't 100% compatible in bugs, however
Jul 11 14:09:11 <slonopotamus> for ex, text2screen doesn't properly convert text color to 16 bit
Jul 11 14:10:43 <slonopotamus> `chroot /mnt/initfs/ text2screen -s 10 -T 0x00ff00 -t Z` supposed to draw green Z. but its orange.
Jul 11 14:13:44 <Stskeeps> sounds cool :)
Jul 11 14:16:04 <slonopotamus> Stskeeps, try it ;)
Jul 11 14:16:30 <slonopotamus> i need to rollout tarballs, i think...
Jul 11 14:17:32 <Stskeeps> if you want to work on a open initfs (wifi, bme blobs excluded) you're more than welcome
Jul 11 14:18:31 <slonopotamus> Stskeeps, why initfs at all, btw? i still hope to put modern kernel on tablet
Jul 11 14:19:17 <Stskeeps> slonopotamus: very useful for rescue operations, simple :P
Jul 11 14:19:30 <Stskeeps> either that or kernel setting to boot into a rescue mode
Jul 11 14:19:42 <slonopotamus> Stskeeps, fremantle isn't going to have initfs?
Jul 11 14:20:04 <Stskeeps> correct
Jul 11 14:20:47 <slonopotamus> Stskeeps, what does it have instead?
Jul 11 14:22:06 <Stskeeps> nothing, boots directly to flash area i think
Jul 11 14:22:53 <Stskeeps> i don't know, honestly
Jul 11 14:23:19 <GAN800> Magic
Jul 11 14:23:37 <GAN800> Either that, or Maemo Genuine Advantage. ;)
Jul 11 14:23:55 <slonopotamus> http://git.slonopotamus.org/?p=fb_text2screen try it :)
Jul 11 14:24:02 <GAN800> They put the HSPA modem in there so it can phone home at boot. ;)
Jul 11 14:24:19 <qwerty12_N810> When will AntiMGA be coming out for it then? ;)
Jul 11 14:29:34 <GAN800> qwerty12, never.
Jul 11 14:29:45 <GAN800> MGA is unstoppable.
Jul 11 14:30:24 <qwerty12_N810> Yeah, I can believe that. The only "crack" OS2008 saw was a trial reset :D
Jul 11 14:48:18 <tl> how to use maemo sdk image in windows?
Jul 11 14:49:12 <lcuk2> tl, vmware
Jul 11 14:49:27 <tl> yeah
Jul 11 14:49:41 <tl> i don't know how to use it
Jul 11 14:50:14 <tl> i have downloaded the sdk image and vmplayer
Jul 11 14:50:38 <lcuk2> run vmware, open image, marvel at a whole linux computer running in a window
Jul 11 14:51:29 <tl> yeah i can see it
Jul 11 14:51:52 <tl> i can't use command Xephyr
Jul 11 14:52:34 <tl> it prompt "can't open shared file libfontenc.so.1"
Jul 11 14:53:02 <tl> what is the libfontenc.so.1?
Jul 11 14:54:14 <Stskeeps> qwerty12_N810: did you ever try running a later uclibc in initfs?
Jul 11 14:55:35 <qwerty12_N810> Stskeeps: I don't trust Nokia programs to work with anything newer
Jul 11 14:56:13 <tl> If i want to use maemo sdk image in windows,how should i do ?
Jul 11 14:56:33 <Stskeeps> qwerty12_N810: ah, the exploding tablet problem
Jul 11 14:56:50 <tl> The steps i must take.
Jul 11 14:56:58 <lcuk2> run vmware, open image, marvel at a whole linux computer running in a window
Jul 11 14:57:26 <lcuk2> from there its the same instructions for running the sdk in linux ;)
Jul 11 14:57:44 <qwerty12_N810> Stskeeps: thinking about statically compiling fb_text2screen?
Jul 11 14:58:12 <tl> how about vmware workstation 5.5?
Jul 11 14:58:40 <Stskeeps> qwerty12_N810: no, i was thinking how we can work around the initfs bug
Jul 11 14:58:49 <qwerty12_N810> ah
Jul 11 14:58:50 <tl> The sdk image doesn't support vmware station 5.5?
Jul 11 14:59:24 <qwerty12_N810> Stskeeps: It will be "looked" but after 2 years, I'm inclined to think bullshit
Jul 11 14:59:27 <qwerty12_N810> +at
Jul 11 14:59:54 <Stskeeps> qwerty12_N810: sometimes it's easier to act than beg i guess
Jul 11 15:00:23 <lcuk2> Jaffa, you around
Jul 11 15:00:25 <tl> i use vmplayer and it works,however,it doesn't work when i use  vmware workstation 5.5
Jul 11 15:01:18 <lcuk2> then speak to your vmware workstation reseller
Jul 11 15:02:09 <slonopotamus> qwerty12_N810, statically built fb_text2screen is 580kb :/
Jul 11 15:02:30 <qwerty12_N810> slonopotamus: use a uclibc toolchain :)
Jul 11 15:02:38 <tl> i use a free vmware workstation.
Jul 11 15:03:27 <lcuk2> then make a note of the error messages and ask in vmware chan? i dont think anyone would know why a specific version of vmware doesnt work
Jul 11 15:03:30 <tl> it seems that it is lack of some components.
Jul 11 15:03:44 <slonopotamus> qwerty12_N810, i tried. uclibc doesn't build for me
Jul 11 15:04:02 <woglinde> slonopotamus use openemebdded
Jul 11 15:04:04 <slonopotamus> and i don't feel brave enough to hack it :)
Jul 11 15:04:05 <tl> yeah
Jul 11 15:04:17 <woglinde> to build uclibc toolchain
Jul 11 15:04:51 <tl> if i use vmplayer,it can be started normolly.
Jul 11 15:05:00 <slonopotamus> woglinde, ... i use gcc to build it. how openembedded helps here?
Jul 11 15:05:21 <tl> but i can't use command Xephyr and i can't debug gui application.
Jul 11 15:05:38 <Stskeeps> slonopotamus: you don't have to build uclibc, just use one from a toolchain :P
Jul 11 15:05:55 <woglinde> slonopotamus because oe buils uclibc toolchain when you set MACHINE to nxx and distro chinook
Jul 11 15:06:07 <woglinde> then you can compile you program statical
Jul 11 15:06:17 <woglinde> and run on the device
Jul 11 15:06:20 <qwerty12_N810> slonopotamus: grab the one for scratchbox
Jul 11 15:06:22 <tl> the error message is "there is no libfontenc.so.1".what is libfontenc.so.1?
Jul 11 15:06:30 <slonopotamus> Stskeeps, i don't like unreproducible binaries
Jul 11 15:06:52 <slonopotamus> and why build it statically at all?
Jul 11 15:06:53 <Stskeeps> slonopotamus: welcome to maemohell
Jul 11 15:07:11 <woglinde> *g*
Jul 11 15:07:12 <slonopotamus> Stskeeps, i'm rewriting it :)
Jul 11 15:07:17 <woglinde> or use mer
Jul 11 15:07:39 <slonopotamus> woglinde, i use gentoo
Jul 11 15:07:51 * Stskeeps wonders what we really need from initfss
Jul 11 15:08:18 <Stskeeps> BME, and that's about it? if we could get static binaries of wlan-cal, bme, wouldn't we be fairly happy?
Jul 11 15:09:21 <slonopotamus> Stskeeps, watchdog from dsme for bme
Jul 11 15:09:30 <Stskeeps> we have dsme open source
Jul 11 15:09:46 <slonopotamus> Stskeeps, i mean, you want wd too
Jul 11 15:09:58 <Stskeeps> yeah, we have dsme :P
Jul 11 15:10:15 <slonopotamus> Stskeeps, ... i mean, you want it in initfs
Jul 11 15:10:19 <Stskeeps> mm
Jul 11 15:11:22 * slonopotamus runs `# crossdev armv6j-gentoo-uclibceabi`
Jul 11 15:11:32 <slonopotamus> err
Jul 11 15:11:42 <slonopotamus> i lost 'linux' :(
Jul 11 15:12:47 <slonopotamus> armv6j-gentoo-linux-uclibceabi
Jul 11 15:26:28 <qwerty12_N810> slonopotamus: ~68kb static binary that runs in initfs: http://qwerty12.qole.org/fb_text2screen_slono_initfs.tar
Jul 11 15:27:15 <slonopotamus> qwerty12_N810, built against uclibc?
Jul 11 15:27:19 <qwerty12_N810> yep
Jul 11 15:27:31 <qwerty12_N810> tried it out, works really well, thanks
Jul 11 15:28:43 <woglinde> qwerty12_N810 with which toolchain?
Jul 11 15:28:56 <slonopotamus> qwerty12_N810, it doesn't untar with gnu tar. it just waits for smth
Jul 11 15:29:34 <qwerty12_N810> slonopotamus: odd, knock the ".tar" off the link
Jul 11 15:29:56 <qwerty12_N810> woglinde: not sure, it's some scratchbox one I found, the link is in the irc logs somewhere
Jul 11 15:30:24 <woglinde> qwerty hm okay
Jul 11 15:30:47 <slonopotamus> qwerty12_N810, it works :)
Jul 11 15:30:57 <qwerty12_N810> :)
Jul 11 15:31:12 <woglinde> *g*
Jul 11 15:32:10 <qwerty12_N810> slonopotamus: cmake sucks btw, I ended up doing the gcc line by hand
Jul 11 15:33:13 <slonopotamus> qwerty12_N810, i tried to use autotools, spend 3 days and threw them away. then set up cmake build in 1.5 hours
Jul 11 15:34:16 <woglinde> 3 days?
Jul 11 15:34:33 <woglinde> slonopotamus you read the autotools manual and looked at the examples?
Jul 11 15:35:20 <woglinde> most problem with autotools is that you find to many outdated dokus in the net
Jul 11 15:37:23 <slonopotamus> woglinde, i read official documentation
Jul 11 15:37:40 <woglinde> slonopotamus what were your problems?
Jul 11 15:37:51 <woglinde> and what do you wanted to achieve?
Jul 11 15:38:30 <slonopotamus> woglinde, i couldn't understand how to properly pass -std=c99 to gcc
Jul 11 15:43:23 <woglinde> ?????
Jul 11 15:43:45 <woglinde> Makefile.am setting CLFAGS="-std=c99"
Jul 11 15:43:51 <slonopotamus> nooo
Jul 11 15:44:01 <woglinde> ?????
Jul 11 15:44:06 <slonopotamus> that doesn't respect user's CFLAGS
Jul 11 15:44:07 <javispedro> AM_CFLAGS
Jul 11 15:44:28 <woglinde> jepp
Jul 11 15:44:37 <woglinde> or per app CFLAGS
Jul 11 15:45:24 <woglinde> bin_PROGRAMS = prog1 prog2
Jul 11 15:45:33 <woglinde> prog2_CFLAGS = $(LIBFOOCFLAGS) $(AM_CFLAGS)
Jul 11 15:45:47 <woglinde> thats from offical Automake doku
Jul 11 15:46:43 <derf> "Most problems with autotools" are that there are approximately 4 people on the planet who understand it, and it gets changed, incompatibly in both directions, every version.
Jul 11 15:46:53 <woglinde> derf????
Jul 11 15:47:26 <woglinde> the problem is that the programms are to lazy to read the doku
Jul 11 15:47:34 <woglinde> and update there stuff
Jul 11 15:47:50 <woglinde> and then using constructs from 10 years ago
Jul 11 15:47:56 <derf> No, most of them wouldn't understand it if they _did_ read it.
Jul 11 15:48:13 <derf> People _like_ using constructs from 10 years ago, because developers _do_ _not_ _care_ about your build system.
Jul 11 15:48:17 <derf> They just want it to _work_.
Jul 11 15:48:27 <woglinde> then I am one of the four haha
Jul 11 15:48:45 <derf> Seriously, autotools is probably responsible for more wasted developer time than any other single thing besides Windows.
Jul 11 15:49:02 <woglinde> if developers dont care about buildsystem they cair about nothing
Jul 11 15:49:13 <derf> Speak for yourself.
Jul 11 15:49:15 <woglinde> *sigh*
Jul 11 15:49:18 <slonopotamus> woglinde, besides that, it is damn slow
Jul 11 15:49:24 <javispedro>  I have to agree with derf. I've wasted a lot of time with autotools.
Jul 11 15:49:35 <woglinde> slonopotamus okay thats the minus
Jul 11 15:49:46 <derf> It's far from "the" minus.
Jul 11 15:50:00 <derf> It doesn't even make my list of the top 5 minuses.
Jul 11 15:50:14 <slonopotamus> and i don't like all those generated files in my source tree
Jul 11 15:50:15 <woglinde> but the problem is you have no better system if you care about cross compiling
Jul 11 15:50:35 <derf> I would argue that writing makefiles by hand is better.
Jul 11 15:50:39 <javispedro> AC_CHECK_PROG() does that take a [action_if_false] or does it always fail? I'll never remember
Jul 11 15:51:00 <javispedro> have to check the "dokus" as you say -> wasted time
Jul 11 15:51:14 <derf> Because it's just as much work to get going, and you still have to test everything anyway, but at the end it isn't broken arbitrarily because someone else decided to change all the constructs on you.
Jul 11 15:51:59 <slonopotamus> http://www.vtk.org/Wiki/CMake_Cross_Compiling h
Jul 11 15:52:01 <slonopotamus> uh?
Jul 11 15:52:32 <slonopotamus> anyway
Jul 11 15:52:46 <woglinde> slonopotamus I know cmake
Jul 11 15:52:51 <slonopotamus> i tried to used autotools first. it failed for me.
Jul 11 15:53:26 <slonopotamus> s/used/use/
Jul 11 15:53:26 <infobot> slonopotamus meant: i tried to use autotools first. it failed for me.
Jul 11 15:54:48 <slonopotamus> woglinde, qwerty12_N810 feel free to write a patch that converts fb_text2screen to autotools :)
Jul 11 15:54:57 <woglinde> *g*
Jul 11 15:55:16 <qwerty12_N810> slonopotamus: why? invoking gcc directly worked fine here :P
Jul 11 15:55:18 <javispedro> somehow I'm yet to understand the whole autotools craze
Jul 11 15:55:21 <javispedro> ancient unixes are dead
Jul 11 15:55:23 <derf> You know what's even better about hand-written Makefiles? When something goes wrong when someone tries to use it on a platform you didn't test (which is inevitable, if not _more_ likely with autotools), an _ordinary_ human being can read your Makefile, diagnose the problem, and fix it.
Jul 11 15:55:39 <javispedro> plain makefiles are much better
Jul 11 15:55:46 <woglinde> *sigh*
Jul 11 15:56:08 <slonopotamus> qwerty12_N810, until there's 1 binary - yep
Jul 11 15:56:12 <qwerty12_N810> Mmm, I had to go through a Makefile generated by Ruby's extconf.rb and the urge to commit suicide was overwhelming
Jul 11 15:56:29 <derf> Generated Makefiles are quite something else.
Jul 11 15:56:43 <slonopotamus> qwerty12_N810, after i add cal-tool + shared lib + header, things will become more complicated
Jul 11 15:56:44 <Stskeeps> qwerty12_N810: just as bad as cdbs? ;)
Jul 11 15:56:58 <derf> But even I'm prone to hand-editing automake's generated Makefiles rather than trying to actually fix the automake problem.
Jul 11 15:58:19 <javispedro> what does autotools do either way? apart from automatic dependency  :D
Jul 11 15:58:57 <qwerty12_N810> Stskeeps: cdbs is ok now, I found some .mk file which you can include to override what cdbs runs etc
Jul 11 15:59:15 <Stskeeps> ah
Jul 11 15:59:18 <slonopotamus> javispedro, no idea. platform-specific defines?
Jul 11 15:59:37 <qwerty12_N810> javispedro: lots of tests! :D
Jul 11 16:00:38 <derf> It's very important that you know you can pass 32768 command-line arugments.
Jul 11 16:00:50 <javispedro> tests
Jul 11 16:00:57 <javispedro> which would be much better done ONCE in a system's lifetime
Jul 11 16:01:03 <javispedro> then saved in a pkg-config like application
Jul 11 16:01:12 <javispedro> and just "pkg-config --cflags MY_SYSTEM_CONFIG"
Jul 11 16:01:17 <lcuk2> what happens when you upgrade little bits?
Jul 11 16:01:25 <woglinde> qwerty12 made no sense to argue further
Jul 11 16:01:32 <lcuk2> like install a newer patch of xargs
Jul 11 16:01:43 <lcuk2> what rules would you put on rebuilding this config thing
Jul 11 16:01:43 <lbt> hmm, seems a good time to ask... I'm missing ./libtool ... how do I get it?
Jul 11 16:01:46 <woglinde> if one have a complex app with serval libs and bins using gettext
Jul 11 16:01:57 <woglinde> autotools is best choice
Jul 11 16:02:00 <qwerty12_N810> lbt: libtoolize afaik
Jul 11 16:02:13 * lcuk2 gave up on libtool
Jul 11 16:02:31 <woglinde> lcuk2 hm
Jul 11 16:02:40 <woglinde> may I help you?
Jul 11 16:02:50 <lbt> the ./configure has :LIBTOOL='$(SHELL) $(top_builddir)/libtool'
Jul 11 16:02:51 <lcuk2> heh not that i know of
Jul 11 16:03:02 <lcuk2> nothing i did could make full library building work on device
Jul 11 16:03:07 <lbt> and I'm not rewriting it, just packaging it
Jul 11 16:03:13 <lcuk2> and i broke 3 working dev machines in the process
Jul 11 16:03:24 <woglinde> lcuk ?????
Jul 11 16:03:25 <lcuk2> so i went back to the old way and have been happy since
Jul 11 16:03:25 <lbt> libtoolize doesn't "just fix it" :(
Jul 11 16:03:26 <lcuk2>  :)
Jul 11 16:03:53 <woglinde> lbt do you have a pointer to your soft?
Jul 11 16:04:03 <lcuk2> woglinde, i do all dev on device, getting full library generation and dpkg and autofuck and all that working almost made me go bacld
Jul 11 16:04:08 <lbt> woglinde: ?
Jul 11 16:04:10 <lbt> src
Jul 11 16:04:14 <woglinde> lbt it will generate if you have proper configure.ac and run autoreconf
Jul 11 16:04:19 <lbt> it's conboy as it happens
Jul 11 16:04:45 <lbt> I did : automake --add-missing ; autoreconf
Jul 11 16:04:48 <lbt> http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Build/Common_Problems/Failed_Diagnosis
Jul 11 16:05:00 <lbt> trying to document some of this stuff
Jul 11 16:05:08 <lbt> http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Documentation/Build/Common_Problems
Jul 11 16:05:22 <lbt> seems more productive than arguing on irc too ;)
Jul 11 16:05:35 <woglinde> hm is conboy at garage?
Jul 11 16:05:39 <javispedro> lcuk2, dunno :) maybe xargs should take care of properly specifying its own specifications
Jul 11 16:05:41 <lbt> yes but
Jul 11 16:05:47 <lbt> do you have a novell account?
Jul 11 16:05:55 <woglinde> nope
Jul 11 16:06:00 <lbt> would you mind?
Jul 11 16:06:15 <lbt> then it's just https://build.opensuse.org/package/show?package=conboy&project=Maemo%3AMer%3AExtras%3ADevel
Jul 11 16:06:26 <lcuk2> javispedro, with however many versions in the wild right now, your suggestion about a config style setup would be difficult at best and frought with issues
Jul 11 16:06:28 <lbt> and dl the tar.gz with mer diffs
Jul 11 16:06:54 <lbt> woglinde: instructions here for acc: http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Build
Jul 11 16:06:55 <lcuk2> you are mandating changing every single utility worldwide to work with your config file because you dont want to run ./configure ;)
Jul 11 16:07:24 <woglinde> lbt did you change something on the autotools file too?
Jul 11 16:07:29 <lcuk2>  a lot of people know its a brainfuck, but its the easiest way to do it :)
Jul 11 16:07:42 <lbt> not AFAIK
Jul 11 16:07:59 <lbt> conboy isn't fully branch/patch managed yet
Jul 11 16:08:09 <lbt> so it's a tad hard to tell
Jul 11 16:08:14 <javispedro> lcuk2: touché :)
Jul 11 16:08:17 <woglinde> ohnooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
Jul 11 16:08:22 <lbt> (if it was I'd point you at gitorious)
Jul 11 16:08:34 <woglinde> they are using AM_GLIB_GNU_GETTEXT
Jul 11 16:08:40 <derf> lcuk2: I don't see how that's much different than requiring new versions of autofoo all the time.
Jul 11 16:08:41 * woglinde cries
Jul 11 16:08:49 <derf> Because _every_ _version_ breaks every other one.
Jul 11 16:09:07 <lbt> woglinde: I am blissfully ignorant :)
Jul 11 16:09:35 <derf> And godforbid someone actually want to build 10 year-old software using those "10 year-old constructs".
Jul 11 16:10:06 <lcuk2> derf agreed
Jul 11 16:10:18 <lcuk2> but really, building *ANCIENT* software like that should be banned :p
Jul 11 16:10:27 <lcuk2> thats like older than qwerty12_N810
Jul 11 16:10:48 <derf> lcuk2: Right. Let's mandate that every developer everywhere continually dick with their build system, forever.
Jul 11 16:11:10 <derf> Because that seems like a great use of everyone's time.
Jul 11 16:11:49 <lcuk2> agreed and there will never be a one size fits all solution
Jul 11 16:12:03 <wazd_n800> hello everyone)
Jul 11 16:12:09 <lbt> hi wazd_n800
Jul 11 16:12:14 <lcuk2> hiya wazd_n800
Jul 11 16:14:49 <woglinde> lbt the gettext stuff has to change
Jul 11 16:14:54 <woglinde> its the olde usage
Jul 11 16:15:00 <woglinde> which is pain in ace
Jul 11 16:15:16 <lbt> OK
Jul 11 16:15:35 <woglinde> lbt are you maintainer of conboy?
Jul 11 16:15:39 <lbt> is it relatively easy?
Jul 11 16:15:43 <lbt> no, Mer
Jul 11 16:15:44 <woglinde> lbt yes
Jul 11 16:16:01 <lbt> I am happy to have a Mer patch for it
Jul 11 16:16:13 <woglinde> because AM_GLIB_GNU_GETTEXT always set USE_NLS to true
Jul 11 16:16:19 <lbt> I am happy to *maintain* a Mer patch for it
Jul 11 16:16:26 <woglinde> the #else in localization.h is useless
Jul 11 16:16:55 <woglinde> lbt I did the change yesterday for pulseaudio
Jul 11 16:17:43 <lbt> fancy jotting some notes down: http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Documentation/Build/Common_Problems
Jul 11 16:36:06 <xnt14> my dad wants to connect his vista laptop to the network, and the public private crap is driving me insane
Jul 11 16:36:49 <xnt14> I set a static ip, and then it sets it automatically to the 192.168.x range, but I use 10.5.1.x range.......
Jul 11 16:37:11 <xnt14> brb
Jul 11 16:47:12 <Macer> ok. couldn't take it anymoer
Jul 11 16:47:17 <Macer> i pre-ordered a touch book
Jul 11 16:47:17 <Macer> heh
Jul 11 16:51:03 <lcuk2> Macer, i thought you loved your g1
Jul 11 16:51:06 <lcuk2> or wasnt it you
Jul 11 16:51:28 <woglinde> macer yeah
Jul 11 16:59:29 <Macer> lcuk2: i do
Jul 11 16:59:36 <Macer> BUT... this thing is like an arm based netbook
Jul 11 16:59:43 <Macer> i have an aspire1 now but it sucks
Jul 11 16:59:44 <Macer> heh
Jul 11 16:59:51 <Macer> lasts like 4-5 hours
Jul 11 17:00:03 <Stskeeps> with mer and proper power management i bet it can last longer :P
Jul 11 17:00:09 <Macer> lol!
Jul 11 17:00:23 <Macer> you mean like sleeping and totally hibernating in xp?
Jul 11 17:00:34 <Stskeeps> i was talking about the touchbook
Jul 11 17:00:35 <Macer> that's crap. my n800 lasted longer if i didn't use it and came right back on
Jul 11 17:00:37 <Macer> oh
Jul 11 17:00:38 <Macer> lol
Jul 11 17:00:45 <Macer> the touchbook is supposed to last 10-15 horus
Jul 11 17:00:52 <Macer> i was talking about the aspireone i'm on now
Jul 11 17:01:04 <Stskeeps> yeah, but 10-15 hours with maemo + power saving, will rock :P
Jul 11 17:01:06 <Macer> the aspireone lasts 4-5
Jul 11 17:01:10 <Stskeeps> as in, lasts for several days
Jul 11 17:01:15 <Macer> oh i'm sure it would
Jul 11 17:01:21 <Macer> the tablet comes with a small batter though
Jul 11 17:01:23 <Macer> battery
Jul 11 17:01:34 <Macer> to get the full 10hrs you have to attach the keyboard
Jul 11 17:01:38 <Stskeeps> yeah
Jul 11 17:01:39 <Macer> with its secondary battery
Jul 11 17:01:47 <Macer> i preordered one a few minutes ago
Jul 11 17:01:54 <Macer> my impulse to buy one was too high
Jul 11 17:01:55 <Macer> haha
Jul 11 17:01:57 <glass> sounds nice
Jul 11 17:02:03 <glass> for cottage whatever
Jul 11 17:02:25 <glass> Macer: how much?
Jul 11 17:03:22 <Macer> $428 after all was said and done
Jul 11 17:03:24 <Macer> wtf is...
Jul 11 17:03:29 <Macer> an eWaste tax??
Jul 11 17:03:38 <Macer> 2.5%?
Jul 11 17:03:56 <Macer> is that california's way of getting out of a $20billion hole?
Jul 11 17:04:07 <glass> haha
Jul 11 17:04:21 <glass> taxes that get added to advertised price suck bigtime
Jul 11 17:04:48 <Macer> glass: well. that's pretty normal here
Jul 11 17:04:53 <Macer> sales tax where i live is the highest in the US
Jul 11 17:05:04 <Macer> i'm in chicago and we have a 10.25% sales tax!
Jul 11 17:05:06 <Macer> that's just retarded
Jul 11 17:05:29 <Macer> i go to other counties to buy stuff.. i'd rather spend the extra money on gas than pay these bastards their greed money
Jul 11 17:06:06 <glass> Macer: yeh, but it's retarded system, thus makes for good jokes on cartoons :D(fault of both merchants and gov i suppose)
Jul 11 17:06:12 <Macer> odd though. i thought they were waiving shipping costs if you pre-order but it is still on teh invoice
Jul 11 17:06:21 <Macer> so maybe they are sending units out already
Jul 11 17:06:38 <Macer> glass: 10.25 is just way out there though
Jul 11 17:06:56 <Macer> i mean.. if you buy a big ticket item like a car... 10.25%?
Jul 11 17:07:01 <glass> Macer: man.. i'm from finland. you got any idea what VAT is on fun stuff here?
Jul 11 17:07:01 <Macer> that's like loan sharking
Jul 11 17:07:39 <Macer> well. i sent Stskeeps an n800 in dk
Jul 11 17:07:49 <Macer> and he kept telling me "mark it as a gift! mark it as a gift!"
Jul 11 17:07:54 <glass> hehe
Jul 11 17:07:58 <Macer> :) something about taxes there
Jul 11 17:07:59 <Macer> haha
Jul 11 17:08:03 <glass> Macer: been there :D in similar situation receiving a package
Jul 11 17:08:26 <glass> Macer: i once got a xbox and couple of phones through customs by paying the vat for a pair of sneakers
Jul 11 17:08:37 <Macer> lol!!
Jul 11 17:08:38 <glass> Macer: my friend had used old receipts and such as packing material
Jul 11 17:08:53 <Macer> i'm still curious as to what an eWaste tax is
Jul 11 17:08:56 <Macer> it's on the invoice
Jul 11 17:09:04 <Macer> 2.50%
Jul 11 17:09:06 <glass> Macer: the xbox had a busted psu so i was a bit nervous if i had to pay tax on it or not..
Jul 11 17:09:15 <Macer> you would figure that there would be less waste ordering online
Jul 11 17:09:18 <Macer> since it doesn't require paper :)
Jul 11 17:09:33 <Macer> what woudl happen if you didn't pay?
Jul 11 17:09:37 <glass> Macer: probably they have to take your ewaste back though now
Jul 11 17:09:39 <Macer> would a black unmarked truck show up to your house
Jul 11 17:09:47 <glass> i wouldn't have gotten the package
Jul 11 17:09:54 <glass> it got flagged down at customs
Jul 11 17:09:57 <Macer> glass: like there were spare electrons left over clogging the internets?
Jul 11 17:10:04 <glass> since then i've favored "books" as label
Jul 11 17:10:07 <Macer> and they needed the tax to keep the internets clean?
Jul 11 17:10:17 <glass> Macer: your old c64 and shit
Jul 11 17:10:23 <Macer> haha
Jul 11 17:10:28 <Macer> i don't have an old c64
Jul 11 17:10:36 <Macer> although i guess i have thrown monitors out before :)
Jul 11 17:10:39 <glass> yeah but someone has somebodys old c64
Jul 11 17:10:48 <Macer> i saw a special on "recycling" places
Jul 11 17:11:00 <glass> yeah those can be real fun
Jul 11 17:11:02 <Macer> they said they were taking old computer stuff and recycling it
Jul 11 17:11:14 <Macer> what they were really doing was sending it to a place outside of hk illegally
Jul 11 17:11:20 <glass> hehe
Jul 11 17:11:35 <Macer> and having poor workers sit there melting the raw materials down in giant vats of melted plastic and other deadly chemicals
Jul 11 17:11:39 <glass> not a really long term business that
Jul 11 17:11:39 <Macer> with nothing but rags on their faces
Jul 11 17:12:02 <Macer> and when i say poor. i mean financially poor. not poor because they have to do it :)
Jul 11 17:12:14 <glass> yeh
Jul 11 17:12:15 <Macer> they had all these melted plastic scars on their arms and shit like that
Jul 11 17:12:17 <Macer> haha
Jul 11 17:12:43 <Macer> i suppose technically you can say they WERE recycling
Jul 11 17:12:49 <Macer> just low tech :)
Jul 11 17:12:53 <glass> yeah, but doing it just so.. well. bad
Jul 11 17:12:57 <glass> but it's a chinese tradition
Jul 11 17:13:02 <Macer> yah
Jul 11 17:13:14 <Macer> you have to love lack of chinese quality control just for a buck
Jul 11 17:13:24 <Macer> they are the perfect capitalist communist country
Jul 11 17:13:34 <glass> well if you're starving i suppose i'd do some crazier shit
Jul 11 17:13:40 <Macer> you saw what they did with the food inspector that let the tainted baby milk out right? :)
Jul 11 17:13:47 <Macer> took him somewhere and shot him in the head
Jul 11 17:13:48 <Macer> haha
Jul 11 17:13:49 <glass> can't really shoplift if you get shot for doing that
Jul 11 17:14:24 <Macer> yah
Jul 11 17:14:24 <Macer> haha
Jul 11 17:14:31 <Macer> man i hope they are shipping this thing now
Jul 11 17:14:35 <Macer> and their web site just hasn't been updated
Jul 11 17:14:39 <Macer> i really want to mess with it
Jul 11 17:14:48 <lcuk2> well, you can shoplift, but you will only get caught once
Jul 11 17:15:00 <Macer> lcuk2: in arab countries they still chop hands off
Jul 11 17:15:04 <glass> lcuk2: better shoplift something good then
Jul 11 17:15:11 <Macer> we need some tough love like that here :)
Jul 11 17:15:24 <Macer> i heard a story about one guy who was  on trial in saudi arabia
Jul 11 17:15:30 <glass> Macer: chasing shoplifters who think you'll kill them is pretty nasty too
Jul 11 17:15:35 <lcuk2> well, last person that tried that is up for attempted murder
Jul 11 17:15:36 <Macer> he told the "judge" that the thing he took was just sitting there
Jul 11 17:15:44 <Macer> he found something in the middle of the road
Jul 11 17:15:50 * xnt14 screams I GOT A GOOGLE VOICE INVITE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jul 11 17:16:01 <Macer> the judge told him, "Well.. you KNEW it wasn't yours didn't you?"
Jul 11 17:16:02 <Macer> hahaha
Jul 11 17:16:06 <xnt14> ok ill stop now
Jul 11 17:16:08 <xnt14> xD
Jul 11 17:16:15 <Macer> a google voice?
Jul 11 17:16:18 <Macer> uhm
Jul 11 17:16:22 <xnt14> google voice invite
Jul 11 17:16:31 <Macer> you need an invite for google voice?
Jul 11 17:16:42 <javispedro> waaaaaaaaaaaaah xnt14 :(
Jul 11 17:16:43 <ShadowJK> you used to need invite for gmail :)
Jul 11 17:16:52 <xnt14> You are invited to open a free Google Voice account. To accept this invitation and create your account, visit [removed]
Jul 11 17:16:52 <Macer> ShadowJK: i know but
Jul 11 17:16:56 <glass> inviting is the marketing thing they think they invented so..
Jul 11 17:17:03 <xnt14> no it works :)
Jul 11 17:17:09 <Macer> i kind of thought that if you have a gmail acct you get the google voice too
Jul 11 17:17:14 <xnt14> did one of you guys send me one?
Jul 11 17:17:18 <Macer> if you add the add-on
Jul 11 17:17:26 <lcuk2> voice or grandcentral?
Jul 11 17:17:57 <lcuk2> http://www.grandcentral.com/
Jul 11 17:18:04 <xnt14> voice
Jul 11 17:18:07 <lcuk2> We are happy to announce the launch of Google Voice, the next version of GrandCentral.
Jul 11 17:18:16 <lcuk2> i had a grandcentral account last year
Jul 11 17:18:22 <lcuk2> damn thing is US only
Jul 11 17:18:41 <xnt14> lcuk, where are you?
Jul 11 17:18:47 <lcuk2> not in US
Jul 11 17:18:51 <xnt14> uk?
Jul 11 17:18:56 <xnt14> :/
Jul 11 17:19:13 <xnt14> well, i wanted google voice for a loooooooooooong time
Jul 11 17:19:19 <lcuk2> shoulda said
Jul 11 17:19:24 <lcuk2> ive had invites forever i think
Jul 11 17:19:35 <xnt14> so you sent me one?
Jul 11 17:19:43 <lcuk2> no you never asked
Jul 11 17:19:47 <Macer> Google Voice: Coming soon
Jul 11 17:19:51 <xnt14> I wonder then who sent me one
Jul 11 17:19:52 <Macer> lol
Jul 11 17:20:03 <Macer> if you have a google acct you can just login to google voice
Jul 11 17:20:32 <Macer> but it isn't out yet... VAPORWARE!
Jul 11 17:20:35 <Macer> lol
Jul 11 17:20:44 <xnt14> no, i've tried, before, it won't let you unless you have a acc at voice
Jul 11 17:20:48 <xnt14> nope its real
Jul 11 17:20:57 <xnt14> not vaporware, it works ;)
Jul 11 17:21:10 <lcuk2> Macer, there were good reports of it last year when first announced
Jul 11 17:21:24 <lcuk2> it operates via us call stuff tho cso its recipient pays or something
Jul 11 17:21:47 <Macer> so it is like
Jul 11 17:21:52 <Macer> the gay skype crap on the g1?
Jul 11 17:22:07 <lcuk2> i dunno i havent got a gay g1
Jul 11 17:22:09 <Macer> where you have a call forwarded through another number that wastes skype credits and minutes?
Jul 11 17:22:19 <Macer> heh
Jul 11 17:22:21 <javispedro> so now it will ever get outside the US then
Jul 11 17:22:32 <javispedro> s/now/no way/
Jul 11 17:22:33 <infobot> javispedro meant: so no way it will ever get outside the US then
Jul 11 17:22:38 <lcuk2> javispedro, dunno
Jul 11 17:22:42 <Macer> haha
Jul 11 17:22:50 <lcuk2> but thats a common thing for phone service ideas
Jul 11 17:22:58 <Macer> skype is international
Jul 11 17:23:10 <lcuk2> skype is, but thats a different thing
Jul 11 17:23:21 <lcuk2> grandcentral is tied to proper phones
Jul 11 17:23:22 <Macer> it's great if you get the GE phones that have the network base
Jul 11 17:23:28 <lcuk2> its lawnmower man scenario
Jul 11 17:23:36 <Macer> tied to proper phones?
Jul 11 17:23:37 <lcuk2> all your phones ring at once i believe
Jul 11 17:23:44 <Macer> so does skype
Jul 11 17:23:45 <lcuk2> yeah cell+land+sip
Jul 11 17:23:47 <Macer> heh
Jul 11 17:23:53 <Macer> they all ring at once too
Jul 11 17:24:01 * lcuk2 shrugs
Jul 11 17:24:05 <Macer> it's the same thing :)
Jul 11 17:24:10 <Macer> i'm suprised google just didn't buy skype
Jul 11 17:24:14 <Macer> maybe that's what they are doing
Jul 11 17:24:16 <Macer> heh
Jul 11 17:24:26 <lcuk2> so i can have someone call my regular phone number and pickup from wifi computer?
Jul 11 17:24:33 <Macer> "coming soon.. once our hostile takeover of skype is complete"
Jul 11 17:24:41 <Macer> yup
Jul 11 17:24:42 <Macer> or
Jul 11 17:24:50 <Macer> a skype wifi phone
Jul 11 17:25:00 <Macer> or... the skype phones with the network base (whcih are the best solution)
Jul 11 17:25:04 <Macer> or an n800 :)
Jul 11 17:25:07 <Macer> etc
Jul 11 17:25:32 <lcuk2> i know theres skype out, but didnt realise i could get calls back into it using my #
Jul 11 17:25:40 * lcuk2 is suddenly a bit more interested
Jul 11 17:25:45 <Macer> well. you are issued a phone number
Jul 11 17:25:50 <lcuk2> ahh
Jul 11 17:25:53 <Macer> i don't think you can keep the one you have
Jul 11 17:26:03 <Macer> but it works for land line calling
Jul 11 17:26:15 <Macer> i've had my skype # for over a year
Jul 11 17:26:16 <Macer> heh
Jul 11 17:26:26 <Macer> @ $3/month you can't go wrong
Jul 11 17:26:34 <lcuk2> does your regular house phone ring though if someone skypes you?
Jul 11 17:26:41 <lcuk2> ie proper true landline
Jul 11 17:26:51 <Macer> er... no. it's voip
Jul 11 17:26:54 <Macer> but
Jul 11 17:26:57 <Macer> i only have skype phones
Jul 11 17:27:04 <lcuk2> thats not hte same then at all
Jul 11 17:27:07 <lcuk2> thats just a sipphone
Jul 11 17:27:20 <Macer> well.. skype doesn't use sip afaik
Jul 11 17:27:26 <lcuk2> same principle
Jul 11 17:27:29 <Macer> but i'd say it's more voip ;)
Jul 11 17:27:41 <Macer> well.. i don't believe in old crusty copper wires anymore
Jul 11 17:27:48 <Macer> i am going to have them ripped out of my house
Jul 11 17:27:48 <lcuk2> i do :)
Jul 11 17:27:50 <javispedro> at least here they allow to forward calls to a landline phone
Jul 11 17:27:50 <Macer> hehe
Jul 11 17:28:03 <Macer> javispedro: yeah. they do that here too
Jul 11 17:28:05 <lcuk2> i want a phone that will work without computers or electricity
Jul 11 17:28:12 <lcuk2> something where the other end powers it ;)
Jul 11 17:28:15 <Macer> lcuk2: hahaha
Jul 11 17:28:18 <Macer> lcuk2: i see
Jul 11 17:28:23 <Macer> as the amish do :)
Jul 11 17:28:23 <javispedro> good luck finding it lcuk2 :)
Jul 11 17:28:31 <lcuk2> javispedro, i have one
Jul 11 17:28:34 <lcuk2> have done for years
Jul 11 17:28:35 <Macer> javispedro: normal land lines do that
Jul 11 17:28:38 <javispedro> I know
Jul 11 17:28:53 <Macer> lcuk2: just install a small solar panel
Jul 11 17:28:54 <javispedro> but even the cheapest phones I could find already have their own chargers and all that
Jul 11 17:28:54 <Macer> lol
Jul 11 17:29:00 <Macer> i'm sure that can handle keeping the phones gonig
Jul 11 17:29:10 <Macer> javispedro: you have to go old school
Jul 11 17:29:12 <Macer> get a rotary phone
Jul 11 17:29:13 <Macer> :)
Jul 11 17:29:19 <lcuk2> javispedro, no good having a charger to the handset if the base station has no power
Jul 11 17:29:39 <javispedro> lcuk2: its even worse. the phone itself does not work it the base station has no power :P
Jul 11 17:29:54 <lcuk2> actually you can get phones that do
Jul 11 17:30:00 <lcuk2> if the basestation is in range it uses that
Jul 11 17:30:03 <lcuk2> otherwise its a mobile
Jul 11 17:30:04 <slonopotamus> so
Jul 11 17:30:08 <lcuk2> think its bt fusion or something
Jul 11 17:30:20 <Macer> lcuk2: you mean you want a cordless
Jul 11 17:30:23 <lcuk2> but my copper based landline is more reliable
Jul 11 17:30:23 <Macer> that charges off the phone line?
Jul 11 17:30:28 <lcuk2> no
Jul 11 17:30:29 <Macer> oh
Jul 11 17:30:33 <Macer> i thought that is what you meant
Jul 11 17:30:38 <Macer> you want like some 1980 phone
Jul 11 17:30:41 <lcuk2> no, hardline only
Jul 11 17:30:46 <Macer> :)
Jul 11 17:30:53 <Macer> so ... 1980s phone
Jul 11 17:30:59 <Macer> heh
Jul 11 17:31:05 <lcuk2> bakelite ftw
Jul 11 17:31:09 <Macer> lol
Jul 11 17:31:19 <Macer> ok.. i'm going to nag these people about when my touch book is going to ship
Jul 11 17:31:23 <lcuk2> they should beuild spaceships out of that stuff
Jul 11 17:31:27 <lcuk2> its indestructable
Jul 11 17:31:38 <javispedro> ooh.. rotatory spaceships
Jul 11 17:31:39 <Macer> "JESUS! All the news articles say JUNE! WTF? Is this a scam?!"
Jul 11 17:31:41 <Macer> heh
Jul 11 17:31:44 <lcuk2> lol
Jul 11 17:32:47 <Macer> you have to be weary about companies that use USPS priority
Jul 11 17:32:57 <Macer> i was in shock when my popcornhour actually showed up
Jul 11 17:33:00 <Macer> :)
Jul 11 17:33:10 <lcuk2> javispedro, i am intruiged by your ideas and wish to subscribe to your newsletter
Jul 11 17:33:45 <Macer> 60 hours without smoking
Jul 11 17:33:51 <Macer> i think i am doing ok
Jul 11 17:33:55 <lcuk2> wasnt it 60hours last night?
Jul 11 17:34:00 <Macer> i miscounted
Jul 11 17:34:01 <Macer> :)
Jul 11 17:34:07 <javispedro> Macer: you're dreaming it all
Jul 11 17:34:17 <javispedro> now, wake up!
Jul 11 17:34:22 <Macer> actually. strange thing is that 2 hours of sleep feels like 8
Jul 11 17:34:23 <lcuk2> Macer, you need to relax
Jul 11 17:34:27 * lcuk2 crashes the ash
Jul 11 17:34:35 <Macer> lol
Jul 11 17:35:01 <Macer> is this the part where you tell me about the nice.. smooth.. fresh taste of a good cigarette will calm my nerves?
Jul 11 17:35:24 <lcuk2> btw Macer when you get past this stage - please dont become a hypocrite and bitch and moan at those smokers you left behind
Jul 11 17:35:33 <Macer> lcuk2: haha... naw
Jul 11 17:35:39 <Macer> not that type of person :)
Jul 11 17:35:47 <lcuk2> fuck that, they rip your lungs out and cause you to die horrible nasty death eventually
Jul 11 17:35:57 <Macer> i could care less. i'd be smoking still if they weren't $9 a pack
Jul 11 17:35:57 <Macer> haha
Jul 11 17:36:07 <Macer> over HALF is taxes
Jul 11 17:36:11 <lcuk2> worst part is im not joking
Jul 11 17:36:16 <lcuk2> i actually dont like smoking
Jul 11 17:36:33 <lcuk2> buy abroad
Jul 11 17:36:44 <Macer> so i'm just trying to stick it to the man by saving myself from a slow painful death
Jul 11 17:36:53 <lcuk2> tho when i went to finland i couldnt get any at the airport
Jul 11 17:36:57 <lcuk2> i had to get cigars
Jul 11 17:37:00 * lcuk2 throws up
Jul 11 17:37:28 <Macer> even if i were to smoke now
Jul 11 17:37:32 <lcuk2> im pondering actually doing some work
Jul 11 17:37:36 <Macer> the chantix is in full effect
Jul 11 17:37:45 <Macer> lcuk2: don't do it!
Jul 11 17:38:14 <lcuk2> well i cant muck about all day
Jul 11 17:38:35 * lcuk2 has seen enough caturday pictures for the week
Jul 11 17:42:12 <javispedro> I believe I rm -rf'ed my "newsletter" when the fourth spam of the day got through... oh well, then so be it
Jul 11 17:42:48 <javispedro> you know, the nit's blinking blue led can be useful but also annoying
Jul 11 17:56:52 <crashanddie_> Macer, at $9, a lot more than just half is taxes
Jul 11 17:57:22 <crashanddie_> Macer, when I'm in the Ukraine, I buy fags at hotels or restaurants for 6 grivna, which is 60p
Jul 11 18:01:11 <javispedro> I hate how bugzilla emails _everyone_ even If I fix a one-letter typo
Jul 11 18:01:29 <javispedro> should learn from wikimedia's "non-important fix" checkbox
Jul 11 18:02:05 <Macer> er
Jul 11 18:02:28 <Macer> crashanddie_: a nickel! I QUIT! I open my own hotel now!
Jul 11 18:02:46 <Macer> :)
Jul 11 18:02:51 <Macer> 60p?
Jul 11 18:03:06 * xnt14 wonders if there is a google voice app for the nit........
Jul 11 18:03:12 <Macer> what is that in $? like 1.25?
Jul 11 18:03:16 <qwerty12_N810> Macer: that creepy italian guy was hilarious
Jul 11 18:03:24 <Macer> qwerty12_N810: haha
Jul 11 18:03:27 <Macer> that movie was classic
Jul 11 18:03:27 <Stskeeps> xnt14: dialcentral? maybe
Jul 11 18:03:38 <Macer> scottie doesn't know!
Jul 11 18:03:39 <xnt14> ok, ill check, opening app manger ;)
Jul 11 18:04:03 <xnt14> :)
Jul 11 18:04:06 <Macer> the dude they got to play his best friend though.. he reminded me of (can't remember hsi name) the guy that did al the movies with chris farley
Jul 11 18:04:29 <Macer> spader?
Jul 11 18:04:57 <Macer> i'm wondering how long i'm supposed to feel this nicotine withdrawal
Jul 11 18:05:02 <Stskeeps> long
Jul 11 18:05:03 <Stskeeps> :P
Jul 11 18:05:09 <Macer> 2 days and it is supposed to be out of my system.. so i'm past that
Jul 11 18:05:17 <xnt14> "dial central successfully installed" ~ App Manager | :)
Jul 11 18:05:18 <Macer> Stskeeps: the rest of my life? like a crack addict? :)
Jul 11 18:05:38 <xnt14> o.0
Jul 11 18:05:42 <xnt14> looks awesome already
Jul 11 18:05:45 <Stskeeps> Macer: the psychological part will be there very long :P
Jul 11 18:06:50 <Macer> oh
Jul 11 18:06:57 <Macer> i'm not worried about the psychological part :)
Jul 11 18:07:08 <Macer> i don't believe in it
Jul 11 18:07:42 <Jaffa> lcuk2: pong
Jul 11 18:07:50 <RST38h> EHLO ALL
Jul 11 18:07:52 <Macer> i am still feeling the physical  parts
Jul 11 18:08:54 <Macer> the chantix kept it in check slightly but it's still pretty bad
Jul 11 18:09:14 <Macer> i guess it's like using a patch in reverse
Jul 11 18:09:19 <xnt14> I just texted "i'm bored" to my friend via text message from my nit xd
Jul 11 18:09:24 <Macer> instead of giving you nicotine.. it blocks it :)
Jul 11 18:09:28 <xnt14> now it feels like a cellphone o.0
Jul 11 18:09:39 <Macer> or at least that's what they said. i don't want to smoke a cigarette to find out haha
Jul 11 18:09:44 <Stskeeps> xnt14: with dialcentral?
Jul 11 18:09:51 <Macer> xnt14: lol
Jul 11 18:10:21 <xnt14> yup
Jul 11 18:10:24 <xnt14> :P
Jul 11 18:11:00 <xnt14> I just want background push style notifications of a text when it comes in, but on my nit or ipod, not my phone, (im on prepaid)
Jul 11 18:11:20 * xnt14 loves google voice xD
Jul 11 18:12:14 * xnt14 has already sent 47 text messages from his google voice account xDDD
Jul 11 18:12:32 <xnt14> and I usually don't text lol
Jul 11 18:13:27 <javispedro> waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah xnt14
Jul 11 18:14:04 <xnt14> xD
Jul 11 18:14:39 <xnt14> hell, I need some cash in my itunes acc, I need a gvoice app for my ipod.............
Jul 11 18:15:00 * xnt14 can't wait until gvoice has an api...................
Jul 11 18:15:35 <lcuk2> the more dots you put there, the greater chance pacman will come and eat you
Jul 11 18:15:44 <lcuk2> and since pacman has no arms, he can't code
Jul 11 18:16:00 <xnt14> :P
Jul 11 18:22:43 <Luke-Jr> xnt14: never?
Jul 11 18:23:08 <Luke-Jr> would be nice if the SMS feature could pass the message over XMPP ;)
Jul 11 18:26:10 <xnt14> :)
Jul 11 18:26:23 <xnt14> :):):) http://posttopic.com/topic/google-voice-add-on-development
Jul 11 18:30:26 <Luke-Jr> xnt14: that only works in a browser
Jul 11 18:30:30 <xnt14> wget https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/downloads/file/56841/google_voice_add-on_for_firefox-0.2.0b4-fx.xpi?confirmed
Jul 11 18:30:33 <xnt14> oh crap
Jul 11 18:30:35 <xnt14> wrong window
Jul 11 18:30:38 <xnt14> ah well
Jul 11 18:30:39 <javispedro> exit
Jul 11 18:30:42 <xnt14> let me try
Jul 11 18:30:42 <Luke-Jr> Google has actively prevented automation
Jul 11 18:30:58 <xnt14> I just want a cmdline util to call my dad :P
Jul 11 18:31:16 <Luke-Jr> xnt14: could've done that a month or 2 ago
Jul 11 18:31:18 <Luke-Jr> but Google blocked it
Jul 11 18:31:36 <lcuk2> i can actually imagine your dad trying to decipher your l33t speak down the phone to him
Jul 11 18:31:46 <lcuk2> in the end he will give up and call you downstairs for breakfast
Jul 11 18:31:47 <Luke-Jr> …
Jul 11 18:31:52 <javispedro> xnt14: if you're minor, just mail a government official with random insults? 100% guaranteed they'll eventually call your father after torturing you
Jul 11 18:31:53 <Luke-Jr> LOL
Jul 11 18:32:08 <xnt14> ...
Jul 11 18:32:13 <xnt14> okay........
Jul 11 18:32:34 <xnt14> lcuk, I don't speak leetspeak.....
Jul 11 18:32:36 <johnsq> Hi
Jul 11 18:32:54 <xnt14> luke-jr, curl? will that work?
Jul 11 18:32:56 <xnt14> :P
Jul 11 18:33:01 <Luke-Jr> xnt14: doubt it
Jul 11 18:33:04 <Luke-Jr> Google wants to prevent i
Jul 11 18:33:13 <johnsq> slonopotamus: arm qemu working? I compiled it on amd64 without problem static
Jul 11 18:33:26 <xnt14> don't kill me b/c its ff, but https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/11167
Jul 11 18:33:30 <xnt14> im dissecting it
Jul 11 18:33:33 <slonopotamus> johnsq, it doesn't link
Jul 11 18:33:58 <slonopotamus> johnsq, i strictly followed your instructions
Jul 11 18:34:13 <javispedro> waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah
Jul 11 18:34:17 <slonopotamus> johnsq, can you upload static binary somewhere?
Jul 11 18:34:20 <lcuk2> xnt14, pssst, if you rename the xpi file to .zip i think it extracts ;)
Jul 11 18:34:22 <xnt14> wait if google blocked it, then how does dialcentral work?
Jul 11 18:34:24 <johnsq> slonopotamus: gcc version 4.3.3 (Gentoo 4.3.3-r2 p1.2, pie-10.1.5), yes i can
Jul 11 18:34:40 <lcuk2> and they left the source codes in there :O dont tell anyone
Jul 11 18:34:42 <xnt14> lcuk2, I know, i've been dissecting xpi's for a while
Jul 11 18:35:33 <johnsq> I must first rebuild it, haven't stored the USE=static
Jul 11 18:36:08 <slonopotamus> johnsq, it is in your chroot!
Jul 11 18:36:27 <johnsq> slonopotamus: there is still the 32 bit version
Jul 11 18:36:44 <slonopotamus> johnsq, does it matter?
Jul 11 18:37:01 <xnt14> hmm
Jul 11 18:37:03 <xnt14> "                        txtr.setRequestHeader('Referer', 'https://www.google.com/voice/#inbox');
Jul 11 18:37:06 <xnt14> "
Jul 11 18:37:08 <xnt14> :)
Jul 11 18:37:24 <johnsq> slonopotamus: don't know, if i need for static 32bit bins an emulator
Jul 11 18:39:23 <johnsq> slonopotamus: http://www.goron.de/~johns/n810/qemu-arm
Jul 11 18:39:31 <Luke-Jr> XD
Jul 11 18:40:18 <RST38h> And now, our usual quiz
Jul 11 18:40:20 <slonopotamus> johnsq, hnx
Jul 11 18:40:21 <RST38h> "Omar, 28, describes weeping as a teenager when told that Al Qaeda needed his pet dogs to conduct chemical warfare tests."
Jul 11 18:40:25 <RST38h> Guess who Omar is
Jul 11 18:40:52 <johnsq> slonopotamus: good that i wrote the howto, i could use it again.
Jul 11 18:41:28 <xnt14> WTF, I HATE WEATHER.COM, obnoxious flash ads.......
Jul 11 18:41:45 <slonopotamus> johnsq, yep. memory likes to do various tricks  to us. better log everything :)
Jul 11 18:43:28 <xnt14> ...
Jul 11 18:44:50 <xnt14> [xnt14]>(0.0)=(:)-{====>*(weather.com ads)*
Jul 11 18:45:03 <xnt14> burn weather.com!!!!!!!
Jul 11 18:45:07 <xnt14> *ads
Jul 11 18:45:12 <xnt14> burn weather.com ads!!!!!!!
Jul 11 18:45:56 <RST38h> Why not use AdBlock+?
Jul 11 18:46:34 * xnt14 hates epiphany
Jul 11 18:46:38 <xnt14> im on my debian box
Jul 11 18:46:45 <RST38h> and?
Jul 11 18:46:48 <xnt14> my xps is at work
Jul 11 18:46:50 <xnt14> nvm
Jul 11 18:46:58 <xnt14> rss ftw!
Jul 11 18:47:42 <xnt14> http://rss.weather.com/weather/rss/local/10956?cm_ven=LWO&cm_cat=rss&par=LWO_rss
Jul 11 18:47:59 <xnt14> :P
Jul 11 18:48:55 <xnt14> wait...
Jul 11 18:49:10 <xnt14> that did not just have my areacode in it...................................
Jul 11 18:49:15 <xnt14> err
Jul 11 18:49:17 <xnt14> zipcode....
Jul 11 18:49:37 * xnt14 's brain is thinking too much gvoice xD
Jul 11 18:50:33 * xnt14 wishes that gvoice was open source............
Jul 11 18:50:54 * javispedro wishes open voice was avalaible worldwide..............
Jul 11 18:52:54 <xnt14> ROFL: http://techon.nikkeibp.co.jp/english/NEWS_EN/20090711/172891/
Jul 11 18:53:03 <xnt14> err
Jul 11 18:53:04 <xnt14> http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/11/keepin-it-real-fake-part-ccxxii-looks-like-wefound-a-total/
Jul 11 18:53:44 <RST38h> looks good, probably worth buying
Jul 11 18:54:05 <xnt14> well
Jul 11 18:54:15 <xnt14> i personally hate most chinese interfaces
Jul 11 18:54:21 <xnt14> no usability......
Jul 11 18:55:21 <RST38h> ah, that is what we have Ukrainians for
Jul 11 18:55:33 <xnt14> IE FAIL: http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/10/microsofts-gazelle-browser-detailed-its-more-of-a-researc/
Jul 11 18:55:36 <RST38h> they rewrite the firmware for these ebooks and resell them
Jul 11 18:55:44 <xnt14> it would probably be worse then ie
Jul 11 18:56:02 <xnt14> RST38H, yeah.....
Jul 11 18:56:38 <xnt14> "Gazelle breaks individual page elements into different processes
Jul 11 18:56:41 <xnt14> "
Jul 11 18:56:43 <xnt14> fail
Jul 11 18:56:56 <xnt14> page elements?
Jul 11 18:57:18 <xnt14> yup
Jul 11 18:57:21 <xnt14> fail
Jul 11 19:00:16 <RST38h> ...
Jul 11 19:00:16 <RST38h> > ah, that is what we have Ukrainians for
Jul 11 19:00:16 <RST38h> <xnt14> IE FAIL:
Jul 11 19:00:28 <RST38h> shit, I hate Linux copy&paste
Jul 11 19:00:47 <RST38h> http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-hotel-prank-070809,0,5685745.story
Jul 11 19:00:55 <slonopotamus> RST38h, fix it and stop moaning
Jul 11 19:01:27 <xnt14> noooo: http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/10/googles-schmidt-initially-opposed-to-chrome-says-microsoft-is/
Jul 11 19:01:49 <xnt14> i would be more happy with chrome than ie.....
Jul 11 19:02:17 <xnt14> and then I would have 490 people calling me to help them install ie on there chrome os........
Jul 11 19:02:43 <javispedro> so they admit they're having an "evil" moment...
Jul 11 19:04:21 <javispedro> the problem with hildonization is unhildonization
Jul 11 19:04:29 <javispedro> or, in this case, de-sugarization
Jul 11 19:05:49 <ShadowJK> I heard eric schmidt on the radio. He said they only consider the evil bit if an employee brings it up
Jul 11 19:05:50 <Macer> this atom is a lot hotter than promised
Jul 11 19:05:56 <ShadowJK> not exactly in those words, but yeah
Jul 11 19:06:22 <Macer> ShadowJK: were you the one talking about the touchbook vaporware?
Jul 11 19:06:30 <ShadowJK> Macer, well, the cheap atoms eat 4W or 8W, and are coupled with a northbridge chipset eating 22W
Jul 11 19:06:37 <ShadowJK> Macer, talking? well I want one?
Jul 11 19:06:42 <Macer> well. that explains it
Jul 11 19:06:47 <Macer> ShadowJK: i pre-ordered one :)
Jul 11 19:06:48 <Macer> lol
Jul 11 19:06:52 <Macer> they "are supposed to ship this month"
Jul 11 19:06:55 <ShadowJK> I think I said I'll be waiting for it to exit the vaporware phase :)
Jul 11 19:06:58 <Macer> like they were in june
Jul 11 19:06:59 <Macer> and may
Jul 11 19:07:00 <Macer> lol
Jul 11 19:07:03 <Macer> so maybe this is the month!
Jul 11 19:07:12 <ShadowJK> around christmas they were saying "early summer"
Jul 11 19:07:20 <Macer> well. i guess it's mid summer
Jul 11 19:07:21 <ShadowJK> They might even have said 2009, but I'm not sure
Jul 11 19:07:29 <Macer> haha
Jul 11 19:07:37 <Macer> well. we shall see. i already have mine on order
Jul 11 19:07:42 <Macer> i'll let you know if it ever gets here
Jul 11 19:07:58 <Macer> i thought it was funny because the 3d demo they used
Jul 11 19:08:03 <Macer> was running angstrom :)
Jul 11 19:08:17 <ShadowJK> Yeah, they're basing their "revolutionary OS" on angstrom
Jul 11 19:08:26 <Macer> mandriva it says
Jul 11 19:08:32 <RST38h> slonopotamus: I am choosing the easy way out: WinXP.
Jul 11 19:08:55 <Macer> the videos i saw run gnome when attached to the keyboard
Jul 11 19:09:03 <Macer> and run some touch based stuff when detatched
Jul 11 19:09:11 <RST38h> moo ShadowJK
Jul 11 19:09:16 <Macer> which acutally looks kind of nice but i'll judge it when i use it
Jul 11 19:09:26 <Macer> it might wind up being another maemo
Jul 11 19:09:29 * Macer grins
Jul 11 19:09:39 <slonopotamus> RST38h, then still, stop moaning :) we'll laugh at you when m$ stops supporting xp
Jul 11 19:09:41 <ShadowJK> surely it'll be able to run mer :)
Jul 11 19:09:49 <Macer> ShadowJK: oh.. i'm sure
Jul 11 19:10:12 <Macer> it can run a bunch of arm based distributions.. i was hoping that the arm opensolaris would be done some time soon
Jul 11 19:10:16 <Macer> i'd love to run opensolaris on it
Jul 11 19:10:29 <Macer> but then again i'd also like to run debian just to encrypt the lvm during the install :)
Jul 11 19:10:38 * RST38h isn't getting the reason for running solaris
Jul 11 19:10:54 <Macer> RST38h: it's like runnign linux except you have zfs
Jul 11 19:10:55 <Macer> haha
Jul 11 19:11:01 <RST38h> Oh
Jul 11 19:11:11 <Macer> that was a horrible statement
Jul 11 19:11:15 <Macer> don't ever let anybody ever know i said that
Jul 11 19:11:26 <Macer> once you get past the learning curve it is pretty good
Jul 11 19:11:40 <javispedro> like finding & relearning "top" again :)
Jul 11 19:11:40 <Macer> minus gnome :-\ what is it with people and using gnome?
Jul 11 19:11:45 <Macer> yeah
Jul 11 19:11:54 <Macer> like instead of -d <seconds>
Jul 11 19:11:56 <ShadowJK> I think I've had enough of sun :)
Jul 11 19:11:57 <Macer> it's -s <seconds>
Jul 11 19:12:00 <Macer> heh
Jul 11 19:12:02 <RST38h> I hope you are using OpenLook WM
Jul 11 19:12:02 <johnsq> Macer: linux is only a clone of unix. this is why it is very equal
Jul 11 19:12:02 * ShadowJK looks at his pile of Sun
Jul 11 19:12:03 <crashanddie_> RST38h, solaris has a lot of advantages, opensolaris less so
Jul 11 19:12:18 <crashanddie_> RST38h, one I use a whole lot: solaris zones
Jul 11 19:12:24 <Macer> ShadowJK: you have sparcs lying around?
Jul 11 19:12:28 <Macer> send me a few :)
Jul 11 19:12:29 <RST38h> crashanddie: When I tried using it on x86 last time, it was slow
Jul 11 19:12:44 <crashanddie_> RST38h, couldn't tell ya, only use solaris on sparc
Jul 11 19:12:45 <Macer> RST38h: heh. it is not slow at all
Jul 11 19:12:52 <RST38h> crashanddie: Heard they have fixed it, but it lost relevance by then
Jul 11 19:12:56 <Macer> er.. RST38h i mean
Jul 11 19:13:03 <Macer> it's great
Jul 11 19:13:06 <RST38h> crashanddie: Yea, it is pretty nice on a SpARC :)
Jul 11 19:13:16 <ShadowJK> Sparcstation 5 with hypersparc CPU @ 233Mhz (iirc), 180-ish meg ram and two scsi disks (but one is dying). cgsix graphics.
Jul 11 19:13:18 <Macer> plus it has just the right amount of complication that forces typical ubuntu linux users to stay away
Jul 11 19:13:22 <Macer> :)
Jul 11 19:13:28 <javispedro> haha
Jul 11 19:13:42 <ShadowJK> Netra T105, 384M ram, 400ish MHz CPU. Tripple NICs, two 9-ish gig harddrives.
Jul 11 19:13:44 <Macer> "why can't i apt-get in OSOL??"
Jul 11 19:13:50 <crashanddie_> just tell an ubuntu user about raw and cooked partitions, and they'll pull their hairs out
Jul 11 19:14:00 <Macer> ShadowJK: sounds like a beast
Jul 11 19:14:11 <ShadowJK> Sun Blade 150 (iirc), 1.5gig ram and 800-ish MHz CPU. Some wildcat-based CPU.
Jul 11 19:14:15 <Macer> crashanddie_: i tell them to go back to ubuntu :)
Jul 11 19:14:29 <Macer> honestly i think gentoo is probably the best linux to use from a "learning" perspective
Jul 11 19:14:34 <crashanddie_> disclaimer: I'm running ubuntu on my personal laptop
Jul 11 19:14:39 <Macer> just because of the install process haha.. it's horrible
Jul 11 19:14:55 <Macer> crashanddie_: oh there's nothing wrong with ubuntu
Jul 11 19:15:07 <Macer> it's just that you get a bunch of windows users that swap over because it is the easy one
Jul 11 19:15:21 <Macer> and start asking stuff like "can i install ms office in ubuntu??"
Jul 11 19:15:25 <ShadowJK> I run NetBSD on Netra and sparcstation. I ran Solaris first on the blade and tried to make pkgsrc work there, but it was kinda getting old working around Solaris peculiarities :)
Jul 11 19:15:28 <ShadowJK> so I switched to FreeBSD on it
Jul 11 19:15:30 <javispedro> beat this:   wc -l /proc/cpuinfo    ....  2304
Jul 11 19:15:44 <RST38h> Cheertek 909K, 64M ram, 2x175MHz CPU, DVD drive
Jul 11 19:15:46 <Macer> fbsd 7.1 has zfs
Jul 11 19:15:48 <Macer> which is nice
Jul 11 19:16:06 <Macer> too bad i ditched linux and fbsd for opensolaris just because the lack of a good fs
Jul 11 19:16:14 <RST38h> Faster than SPARC5 too =)
Jul 11 19:16:24 <Macer> ufs and ext have hard times dealing with large volumes
Jul 11 19:17:12 <Macer> honestly i don't even know why i installed opensolaris on my artigo (C7 1GHz w/1GB)
Jul 11 19:17:15 <Macer> heh
Jul 11 19:17:28 <Macer> i think i did it just for testing purposes to see if it would work and just left it there
Jul 11 19:17:33 <ShadowJK> i used to run xfs
Jul 11 19:17:40 <Macer> heh
Jul 11 19:17:45 <Macer> xfs was supposed to be ok but i never used it
Jul 11 19:18:06 <Macer> i know trying to partition and format an 8TB raid was a pain with anything other than zfs
Jul 11 19:18:15 <RST38h> Ok, back to work.
Jul 11 19:18:24 <Macer> RST38h: yeah right
Jul 11 19:18:28 <Macer> we all know you're unemployed
Jul 11 19:18:42 <Macer> you can't count looking for a new job as "work"
Jul 11 19:18:46 <RST38h> Yes, was just going out to visit a dumpster
Jul 11 19:18:50 <Macer> oh
Jul 11 19:18:56 <Macer> ok then never mind
Jul 11 19:18:58 <RST38h> People find real good stuff there
Jul 11 19:19:10 <Macer> i guess that qualifies
Jul 11 19:19:11 <Macer> :)
Jul 11 19:19:13 <RST38h> For example: Cops Dumpster Dive For Dead Maid
Jul 11 19:20:42 <Macer> you're making me want to watch hackers
Jul 11 19:20:54 <Macer> from the technical standpoint it was idiotic but it was still rather entertaining
Jul 11 19:21:29 <Macer> a ceo being told by a network admin to be called plague hahaha
Jul 11 19:21:43 <Macer> and the best part was the jacob's ladder producing gibson
Jul 11 19:21:52 <Macer> with its 3D os
Jul 11 19:22:08 <locutus> i still love the line from Jurrasic Parc
Jul 11 19:22:15 <locutus> "I KNOW THIS, IT IS UNIX"
Jul 11 19:22:25 <Macer> hahaha
Jul 11 19:22:26 <locutus> (nevermind that the machine you actually see in the movie is not a UNIX machine)
Jul 11 19:22:28 <Macer> yeah that was pretty comical too
Jul 11 19:23:22 <Macer> damn i hope this touch book like ships this week or something
Jul 11 19:23:24 <Macer> that would be so great
Jul 11 19:23:35 <javispedro> you're still on that dream
Jul 11 19:23:44 <Macer> yeah :-\
Jul 11 19:23:50 * ShadowJK has little faith in RAID
Jul 11 19:24:08 <ShadowJK> the recent seagate firmware fubar was a real killer of RAIDs :)
Jul 11 19:25:17 <Macer> ShadowJK: yeah i saw that haha
Jul 11 19:25:22 <Macer> that was pretty bad
Jul 11 19:25:29 <Macer> they said it was firmware
Jul 11 19:25:39 <Macer> i've honestly never updated hard drive firmware before :)
Jul 11 19:25:45 <Macer> they said you can "update your hard drive firmware"
Jul 11 19:25:55 <ShadowJK> Yeah
Jul 11 19:25:58 <Macer> haha
Jul 11 19:26:00 <Macer> wtf?
Jul 11 19:26:10 <ShadowJK> it's actually in the SATA/ATA spec :)
Jul 11 19:26:23 <javispedro> it's a common euphemism for "you delete all your data and just hope it never happens again"
Jul 11 19:26:33 <Macer> javispedro: yeah
Jul 11 19:26:36 <Macer> hahhaha.. that's wha ti meant
Jul 11 19:26:50 <Macer> i wonder if they even said "try to get what you can off the drive now!!"
Jul 11 19:27:05 <Macer> that is somethign i'd expect from maxtor
Jul 11 19:27:12 <Macer> wait a second... did seagate buy maxtor?
Jul 11 19:27:29 <Stskeeps> yeah
Jul 11 19:27:33 <Macer> there you go
Jul 11 19:27:34 <javispedro> yes, effectively merging my ex-most beloved hdd maker and my most hated hdd maker
Jul 11 19:27:35 <Macer> case closed :)
Jul 11 19:27:54 <Macer> i will bet anybody here money that the tainted hard drives came from a maxtor plant :)
Jul 11 19:27:59 <Macer> heh
Jul 11 19:28:57 <ShadowJK> harddrives these days have dual ARM CPUs :)
Jul 11 19:29:16 <javispedro> ooh... Mer for HDDs? :D
Jul 11 19:29:35 <Luke-Jr> ShadowJK: seriously?
Jul 11 19:29:51 <Macer> haha
Jul 11 19:30:14 <Macer> just use an omap3 with the gpu attached to a hd
Jul 11 19:30:16 <Macer> :)
Jul 11 19:30:27 <Stskeeps> ShadowJK: "using a raid to crack DES"
Jul 11 19:30:33 <Stskeeps> (with no cpu usage on the computer)
Jul 11 19:30:34 <Stskeeps> :P
Jul 11 19:30:39 <Macer> haha
Jul 11 19:31:01 <Macer> are there any cell based user grade servers around?
Jul 11 19:31:01 <ShadowJK> Luke-Jr, yes
Jul 11 19:31:13 <Macer> the only one i saw was like... an ibm server that was $10K
Jul 11 19:31:19 <suihkulokki> if you have a real hw raid controller, it too usually has a ARM cpu :)
Jul 11 19:31:31 <Stskeeps> Macer: playstation 3? :P
Jul 11 19:31:39 <Macer> Stskeeps: they limit the access to the hardware
Jul 11 19:31:59 <Macer> which realistically.. the ps3 would go as fast as the $10K ibm server
Jul 11 19:32:03 <Macer> so i guess i can see why :)
Jul 11 19:32:19 <Macer> suihkulokki: mine has an intel cpu
Jul 11 19:32:30 <Macer> (i think)
Jul 11 19:32:35 <suihkulokki> Macer: which one?
Jul 11 19:32:39 <Luke-Jr> Macer: I think someone has a Cell laptop
Jul 11 19:32:56 <Macer> areca arc1120
Jul 11 19:33:03 <Macer> Luke-Jr: lol
Jul 11 19:33:11 <Macer> touchbook is using cell now instead of arm? :)
Jul 11 19:33:16 * Macer goes to preorder another oen
Jul 11 19:33:18 <Macer> oen
Jul 11 19:33:23 <Macer> wtf.. O N E
Jul 11 19:33:26 <Luke-Jr> FAIL
Jul 11 19:33:29 <javispedro> mysqlf
Jul 11 19:33:34 <javispedro> you see
Jul 11 19:33:35 <Macer> Luke-Jr: i already preordered a touch book
Jul 11 19:33:45 <javispedro> when I've spent half of my life typing "mysql"
Jul 11 19:33:52 <javispedro> everytime I try to type mysqlf I type mysqlf
Jul 11 19:34:02 <Macer> it gives me something else to yearn for other than the cigarettes i haven't smoked in 3 days
Jul 11 19:34:02 <javispedro> s/mysqlf/myself/
Jul 11 19:34:02 <infobot> javispedro meant: everytime I try to type myself I type mysqlf
Jul 11 19:34:06 <javispedro> which is pretty lame
Jul 11 19:34:10 <Luke-Jr> http://gizmodo.com/5025238/toshiba-qosmio-g55-is-first-laptop-with-cell-processor-aboard
Jul 11 19:34:14 <Luke-Jr> Macer: FAIL
Jul 11 19:34:21 <Macer> damnit!
Jul 11 19:34:25 <Macer> :) i'd have gotten that one
Jul 11 19:34:26 <Macer> haha
Jul 11 19:34:33 <Macer> scrwe it. i have money. i'll just have both
Jul 11 19:34:40 <Macer> with the macbook and the aspire one
Jul 11 19:34:56 * Macer hordes all the laptops he can for armegeddon
Jul 11 19:35:05 <suihkulokki> Macer: that has intels IOP331, which is xscale-based :)
Jul 11 19:37:09 <Macer> Luke-Jr: that laptop
Jul 11 19:37:19 <Macer> it has a core2duo AND the quad core cell?
Jul 11 19:37:34 <Macer> they make it sound like the cells are just co-processors
Jul 11 19:37:41 <suihkulokki> Macer: IOP331 is supported by linux, and some of those pins of the areca are most likely a serial port ;)
Jul 11 19:38:08 <Macer> suihkulokki: heh.. so i should start using it as another core?
Jul 11 19:38:46 <Macer> Through the addition of the TOSHIBA Quad Core HD Processor, along with the combined strength of Intel's latest Core(TM) 2 Duo processor(1) technology and the NVIDIA GeForce(R) 9600M(2) GT graphics card, tasks that once took hours to complete now are accomplished in a fraction of the time with Toshiba's Qosmio(R) G55-Q802 laptop PC.
Jul 11 19:39:05 <Macer> wow that is a beast :)
Jul 11 19:39:24 <Macer> have to hand it to toshiba on that one. they are making something worth the $1300
Jul 11 19:39:31 <Macer> as long as it works the way it is supposed to
Jul 11 19:43:03 <Macer> oh. the one with teh cells costs 1550
Jul 11 19:49:45 <Luke-Jr> Macer: cells *are* just co-processors
Jul 11 19:50:45 <Macer> damn. i didn't think about that
Jul 11 19:50:52 <Macer> ps3's main cpu is like.. a ppc or something isn't it?
Jul 11 19:51:13 <xnt14> yup
Jul 11 19:51:15 <xnt14> ppc64
Jul 11 19:51:23 <johnsq> dual core
Jul 11 19:51:32 <xnt14> brb - going to mow the lawn
Jul 11 19:51:34 <Macer> doesn't linux run like crap on it?
Jul 11 19:51:41 <xnt14> not exactly
Jul 11 19:51:56 <Macer> it's like running it in a vm isn't it?
Jul 11 19:51:56 <xnt14> its like linux with no 3d acceleration
Jul 11 19:52:06 <xnt14> no gpu access
Jul 11 19:52:08 <xnt14> nop
Jul 11 19:52:09 <Luke-Jr> Macer: if you run Linux in a VM, yes
Jul 11 19:52:10 <xnt14> nope
Jul 11 19:52:13 <Macer> why not?
Jul 11 19:52:15 <xnt14> well
Jul 11 19:52:17 <Luke-Jr> Macer: Sony's official Linux support is only in their VM
Jul 11 19:52:30 <Macer> it literally uses a vm? :)
Jul 11 19:52:30 <xnt14> technically it runs linux in a hypervisor
Jul 11 19:52:31 <Luke-Jr> Sony doesn't support running Linux on the raw machine
Jul 11 19:52:34 <Macer> oh
Jul 11 19:52:39 <xnt14> but it doesn't feel like a vm
Jul 11 19:52:40 <Macer> well.. that sucks haha
Jul 11 19:52:46 <xnt14> i own a ps3
Jul 11 19:52:57 <xnt14> gentoo runs fine on mine
Jul 11 19:53:13 <xnt14> ok guys brb, going to mow the lawn
Jul 11 19:53:19 <Macer> hm
Jul 11 19:53:30 <Macer> i doubt there is any stuff that is well optimized for usin ga cell anyways
Jul 11 19:53:54 <Macer> toshiba listed uleads dvd somethinganother
Jul 11 19:53:58 <Luke-Jr> I think someone started on a Cell software 3D engine
Jul 11 20:29:12 <practisevoodoo__> i cant set my scripts to be executable, chmod isnt doing anything, anyone got any ideas?
Jul 11 20:36:07 <lcuk2> practisevoodoo__, yeah, the memory card is fat and set to noexec
Jul 11 20:36:27 <lcuk2> put stuff in a locaiton on filesystem that can be executed from
Jul 11 20:49:06 <practisevoodoo__> grrrr, stupid memory card
Jul 11 20:57:53 * xnt14 is back
Jul 11 21:24:56 * xnt14 is bored
Jul 11 21:25:18 * xnt14 thinks about heavily hacking up wordpress to suit his needs...............
Jul 11 21:26:57 <xnt14> hmm
Jul 11 21:30:58 <MACER> xnt14: make a mer openoffice that doesn't suck
Jul 11 21:31:00 <MACER> :)
Jul 11 21:31:11 <xnt14> ls ~/xceleo.org/
Jul 11 21:31:15 <xnt14> CRAP
Jul 11 21:31:20 <xnt14> I have to stop doing that
Jul 11 21:31:43 <xnt14> i think that happens because i'm using irssi
Jul 11 21:31:43 <MACER> it's not that big of a deal until you put your password here
Jul 11 21:31:45 <MACER> :)
Jul 11 21:31:54 <MACER> using irssi?
Jul 11 21:32:06 <xnt14> mysql -u xnt -p [removed]
Jul 11 21:32:08 <xnt14> xD
Jul 11 21:32:10 <xnt14> yup
Jul 11 21:32:13 <xnt14> hell
Jul 11 21:32:21 <MACER> what does irssi have to do with you typing in the wrong window? heh
Jul 11 21:32:29 <xnt14> i need to write an irssi script which filters my passwds xD
Jul 11 21:32:39 <MACER> haha
Jul 11 21:32:42 <xnt14> irssi sorta looks like a terminal
Jul 11 21:32:42 <xnt14> :P
Jul 11 21:33:46 <xnt14> luckily, i don't sleeptext..err...sleepchat , so I don't tell all of you guys my passwords xD
Jul 11 21:34:13 <Stskeeps> too late, gnuboy13121 :P
Jul 11 21:34:38 <xnt14> my friend sleeptexted me his psn password once, lots of fun screwing up his stats ;)
Jul 11 21:34:41 <xnt14> nope
Jul 11 21:34:54 <xnt14> my password is waay longer that than ;)
Jul 11 21:34:59 <MACER> omg encoding on this crap takes forever
Jul 11 21:35:02 <MACER> i  need to make a beast
Jul 11 21:35:05 <MACER> i can't take it anymroe :)
Jul 11 21:35:26 <MACER> i need some retarded overpriced 16 core i7 with 8 video cards in it
Jul 11 21:35:47 <qwerty12_N810> Smoke a cigarette to pass the time
Jul 11 21:35:48 <xnt14> xD
Jul 11 21:35:55 <MACER> qwerty12_N810: lol. no thanks
Jul 11 21:36:04 <qwerty12_N810> hehe
Jul 11 21:36:04 <MACER> in less than a year my quitting can pay for something like that ;)
Jul 11 21:36:18 <johnsq> MACER: get another computer to play
Jul 11 21:36:28 <MACER> at the very least... i could get that cell based toshiba laptop
Jul 11 21:36:36 <MACER> i guess it costs like $1550
Jul 11 21:36:49 <MACER> but man if they can actually get the cells to work with stuff that would be great
Jul 11 21:36:58 <xnt14> get a ps3 and shove a asus mars gpu in it or something
Jul 11 21:37:13 <xnt14> hell I want to do that xD
Jul 11 21:37:20 <MACER> does the ps3 actually use the cell?
Jul 11 21:37:24 <MACER> if you were to install linux on it
Jul 11 21:37:24 <xnt14> yes
Jul 11 21:37:31 <xnt14> cell yes gpu no
Jul 11 21:37:35 <MACER> so video encoding goes fast?
Jul 11 21:37:36 <MACER> :)
Jul 11 21:37:48 <MACER> with the cell's vast computational abilities
Jul 11 21:37:48 <xnt14> never done encoding on that...:/
Jul 11 21:37:58 <MACER> oh wait. linux software probably doesn't even use the cell
Jul 11 21:38:03 <MACER> or is not optimized at all for it
Jul 11 21:38:04 <MACER> blah
Jul 11 21:39:00 <xnt14> my friend asked me if it was possible to install mac os x leo on his ps3 because it is powerpc, and I was like WTF, why the hell do you want to do that xD
Jul 11 21:39:14 <xnt14> and its not really possible
Jul 11 21:39:19 <xnt14> ppc mac is 32
Jul 11 21:39:26 <xnt14> ps3 is ppc64
Jul 11 21:40:10 <MACER> it won't work
Jul 11 21:40:11 <MACER> heh
Jul 11 21:40:29 <xnt14> I know
Jul 11 21:40:30 <MACER> you can barely get it working on strange pc hardware
Jul 11 21:40:37 <MACER> let alone a ps3
Jul 11 21:40:38 <MACER> heh
Jul 11 21:40:46 <MACER> i never was able to get it to work with a gbit nic in my k45
Jul 11 21:40:49 <MACER> and i tried 2 of them
Jul 11 21:40:57 <MACER> i really thought the gbit realtek would just work
Jul 11 21:40:59 <MACER> the 100mbit one did
Jul 11 21:41:00 <xnt14> my dad's hp laptop runs perfect hackintosh except of the wifi
Jul 11 21:41:08 <xnt14> the nic on it works
Jul 11 21:41:12 <MACER> what kind?
Jul 11 21:41:17 <xnt14> hp dv7
Jul 11 21:41:19 <MACER> i have a yukon2 and for the life of me i couldn't get it working
Jul 11 21:41:23 <MACER> i meant the  nic ;)
Jul 11 21:41:28 <xnt14> nic, i forgot xD
Jul 11 21:41:30 <kkrusty> does the usbcontrol package replace the usb otg plugin?
Jul 11 21:41:35 <xnt14> I think it was a realtek
Jul 11 21:41:37 <MACER> heh.. ah well. bbl
Jul 11 21:41:39 <MACER> yeah
Jul 11 21:41:40 <xnt14> k
Jul 11 21:41:41 <MACER> realtek works
Jul 11 21:41:47 <MACER> at least the 100mbit did
Jul 11 21:41:48 <xnt14> the wifi was atheros
Jul 11 21:41:50 <MACER> for some sickly reason
Jul 11 21:41:58 <MACER> the 8139 didn't
Jul 11 21:42:02 <xnt14> my nic was gbit
Jul 11 21:42:03 <MACER> and i mean.. that's a pretty standard card
Jul 11 21:42:38 <MACER> but i really just expected the onboard yukon to wrk
Jul 11 21:42:55 <MACER> i probably needed to install all types of weird shit to get it working.. i gave up and put opensolaris on it instead
Jul 11 21:43:00 <MACER> worked right out the box :)
Jul 11 21:43:15 <MACER> no wait.  not true. had to get a yukon driver for that
Jul 11 21:43:35 <xnt14> lol
Jul 11 21:44:18 <xnt14> I tried opensolaris on my xps, no drivers for anything, just kernel paniced.......:/
Jul 11 21:44:30 <xnt14> no sound
Jul 11 21:44:34 <xnt14> no hdd
Jul 11 21:44:42 <xnt14> mouse driver was choppy
Jul 11 21:44:54 <xnt14> usb was slow
Jul 11 21:45:14 <xnt14> but osol works fine on my school lab setup
Jul 11 21:45:22 <MACER> haha
Jul 11 21:45:33 <MACER> i bet opensolaris runs great on this aspireone
Jul 11 21:45:37 <MACER> but i'm sure the power saving sucks
Jul 11 21:45:42 <MACER> i'd have to try it out though
Jul 11 21:45:47 <MACER> i really just want my touchbook
Jul 11 21:45:48 <MACER> :)
Jul 11 21:45:52 <xnt14> :P
Jul 11 21:45:54 <MACER> with its arm 15 hour batteries
Jul 11 21:45:54 <xnt14> :)
Jul 11 21:46:07 <MACER> ah crap that reminds me
Jul 11 21:47:25 * xnt14 wonders what name he should give to his wp mod on the footer.php file.....xntpress? xDDD
Jul 11 21:49:23 <xnt14> hmm...
Jul 11 21:50:00 <xnt14> CorePress?
Jul 11 21:50:42 <xnt14> hmm....
Jul 11 22:00:08 <xnt14> http://xceleo.com/ :)
Jul 11 22:00:21 <xnt14> if you don't see the message refresh browser cache
Jul 11 22:00:23 <xnt14> or press
Jul 11 22:00:35 <xnt14> ctrl + shift + r
Jul 11 22:05:51 <MACER> molly c quinn is gorgeous. she is going to be stunning when she's older
Jul 11 22:05:59 <MACER> (like in a year when she's 18) haha
Jul 11 22:14:12 <xnt14> lol: http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/livelogs/maemo.txt
Jul 11 22:15:09 <xnt14> xD: http://www.google.com/search?q=xceleo&hl=en&start=0&sa=N
Jul 11 22:18:28 <xnt14> hmm
Jul 11 22:18:34 <xnt14> my xps has quit.....
Jul 11 22:19:00 * xnt14 calls his dad with his new gvoice account ;)
Jul 11 22:24:26 <kkrusty> does anyone have usb to serial working on n8x0?
Jul 11 23:19:51 * xnt14 experiments with making a new theme........
Jul 12 01:35:58 <wiretapped> xnt14: are you using hildon-theme-tools or ThemeMaker?
Jul 12 01:48:19 <eichi_> hello
Jul 12 01:48:46 <eichi_> external microphone vor skype works only with bluetooth?
Jul 12 01:49:48 <eichi_> or can the headphone output used as microphone input in any way?
Jul 12 01:52:03 <eichi_> and other problem: my display doenst switch off
Jul 12 01:52:07 <eichi_> dont know why
Jul 12 01:58:23 <bef0rd> eichi_, the headphone output is  used for microphone too
Jul 12 01:59:14 <eichi_> bef0rd, wow nice, how to change this?
Jul 12 01:59:27 <eichi_> from output to input
Jul 12 01:59:48 <bef0rd> eichi_, the n810 includes a headphone/microphone thing which uses only one plug
Jul 12 02:00:05 <eichi_> and n800?
Jul 12 02:00:13 <eichi_> i have this one ;/
Jul 12 02:01:51 <bef0rd> eichi_, it should have been included too
Jul 12 02:02:27 <eichi_> yeah okay but how to change this?
Jul 12 02:03:04 <bef0rd> actually.. now that you mention it, I'm not really sure, I don't remember having used it to call either, let me try it
Jul 12 02:03:21 <bef0rd> http://www.discountcell.com/cellular/pn/Nokia_HS-48
Jul 12 02:04:46 <bef0rd> eichi_, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=12143
Jul 12 02:05:03 <caoticM> Hirvinen_, i accidentally deleted my "Tab" from my x terminal toolbar, can anyone tell me its value so i can re create it ?
Jul 12 02:05:04 <bef0rd> there is nothing to change.. that headset indeed includes a microphone
Jul 12 02:05:27 <bef0rd> ASCII value? 9 I think
Jul 12 02:06:23 <caoticM> also is it just me or there is no pipe character in  the keyboard
Jul 12 02:06:31 <bef0rd> caoticM, Xterminal app says Value: Tab
Jul 12 02:06:37 <bef0rd> caoticM, use 'char'
Jul 12 02:06:55 <bef0rd> caoticM, I mean, chr, then select the pipe
Jul 12 02:07:23 <eichi_> bef0rd, means, i need special hardwae
Jul 12 02:07:26 <eichi_> hardware
Jul 12 02:07:55 <bef0rd> eichi_, If you don't have this headset, then yes, you probably need to buy one of these
Jul 12 02:08:03 <caoticM> oh
Jul 12 02:08:28 <bef0rd> eichi_, I think this is the name of it Nokia Compatible Stereo Headset HS-48
Jul 12 02:10:23 <caoticM> bef0rd,  Value : 'Tab' or input a tab in the value box, either way is not working for me :(
Jul 12 02:11:45 <bef0rd> caoticM, don't use quotes, just Tab
Jul 12 02:12:01 <bef0rd> caoticM, type Tab on both text input boxes
Jul 12 02:12:57 <caoticM> bef0rd, great thanks :)
Jul 12 02:16:47 <Caval> Good afternoon, I am having trouble setting up the Internet Call feature with my Ekiga account.
Jul 12 02:17:42 <Caval> As far as I can tell, all the information is correct (log in name, password, etc.) It still gives the "Unable to connecte..." message.
Jul 12 02:18:50 <eichi_> bef0rd, okay thanks
Jul 12 02:19:18 <eichi_> but now i have to know, why my display does not light off, any ideas?
Jul 12 02:20:01 <eichi_> oh okay, it does ;D
Jul 12 02:35:06 <CutMeOwnThroat> so... what's the deal with the GPS on the N810?
Jul 12 02:36:23 <Luke-Jr> CutMeOwnThroat: give up while you're ahead
Jul 12 02:36:49 <CutMeOwnThroat> is it just crappy hardware they put in there and there's no reasonable way it can be used?s
Jul 12 02:37:51 <CutMeOwnThroat> Luke-Jr, are you saying I should just remove the map-software and forget about it?s
Jul 12 02:38:04 <Luke-Jr> CutMeOwnThroat: sure
Jul 12 02:38:14 <Luke-Jr> CutMeOwnThroat: the hardware isn't crappy, but it's entirely undocumented
Jul 12 02:38:28 <Luke-Jr> and the Nokia-provided "driver" is closed and full of bugs
Jul 12 02:39:06 <caoticM> i see, i havent been able to use it at all either. I am asuming because of my location
Jul 12 02:39:42 <caoticM> i think that gps is a carrier free thing but i am starting to doubt it
Jul 12 02:39:47 <Luke-Jr> …
Jul 12 02:39:50 <Luke-Jr> GPS is passive
Jul 12 02:41:02 <CutMeOwnThroat> well, the nokia-provided map software needs bloody ages to find a fix
Jul 12 02:41:40 <GeneralAntilles> CutMeOwnThroat, bad hardware, combined with a bad antenna location.
Jul 12 02:41:42 <CutMeOwnThroat> I installed that minigpsd thing, but it seems not to have had any influence on the result
Jul 12 02:42:24 <CutMeOwnThroat> also, I let it running for a while and it seems running the map with a fix drained the battery in... uh say under 2 hours
Jul 12 02:42:38 <CutMeOwnThroat> GeneralAntilles, where IS the antenna, btw?s
Jul 12 02:42:50 <GeneralAntilles> Along the top somewhere under the aluminum.
Jul 12 02:43:06 <CutMeOwnThroat> so I should remove the case? :)
Jul 12 02:43:20 <CutMeOwnThroat> or poke holes in it...
Jul 12 02:43:34 <CutMeOwnThroat> mmm... microwaves?s
Jul 12 02:43:42 <Luke-Jr> GeneralAntilles: it has been shown the GPS hardware is more than capable
Jul 12 02:44:09 * GeneralAntilles isn't in the mood for Luke-Jr® Insanity™.
Jul 12 02:44:09 <CutMeOwnThroat> it has?s
Jul 12 02:44:12 <CutMeOwnThroat> how?
Jul 12 02:44:37 <Luke-Jr> CutMeOwnThroat: if the stars align just right when you start the GPS, you can get a lock in under a minute
Jul 12 02:45:08 <CutMeOwnThroat> well I just walked home for 20 minutes and didn't get a lock
Jul 12 02:45:30 <Luke-Jr> might have if you kept restarting it every minute
Jul 12 02:45:33 <Luke-Jr> ;)
Jul 12 02:45:35 <CutMeOwnThroat> neither did I get a lock walking to uni for 20 minutes some 4 hours earlier, or the hours I was inside the building
Jul 12 02:45:49 <Luke-Jr> CutMeOwnThroat: *most* GPS don't work inside buildings at all
Jul 12 02:45:50 <bef0rd> inside a building is harder to get lock
Jul 12 02:45:55 <Luke-Jr> the N810 is above par with that
Jul 12 02:46:02 <CutMeOwnThroat> Luke-Jr, that's why I only mentioned that in passing
Jul 12 02:47:43 <CutMeOwnThroat> but essentially you're saying the GPS can't be sensibly used...
Jul 12 02:47:55 <CutMeOwnThroat> (I did manage to get a fix sometimes, btw=
Jul 12 02:49:11 <Caval> A-Gps helps with getting a fix but is impractical for "real" situations.
Jul 12 02:51:12 <Luke-Jr> CutMeOwnThroat: not sensibly, no
Jul 12 02:51:21 <Luke-Jr> CutMeOwnThroat: maybe if Stskeeps can pull some strings
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