**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jul 14 02:59:57 2009 Jul 14 03:02:42 hmm I think I am going to get the 810 Jul 14 03:22:33 esaym, yeah it seems there are no nokia developers working on os2008 anymore, they're all working on the os for the next device Jul 14 03:22:42 Hello Jul 14 03:25:41 esaym, xterm (it's actually more like gnome-terminal, but whatever) in fullscreen mode and python or gcc from the tools/sdk repo and you've got a usable linux environment :P Jul 14 03:26:15 ShadowJK: and this new OS, it will not work on the 810 will it? Jul 14 03:26:21 no Jul 14 03:26:32 I won't work? Jul 14 03:26:36 It will not work Jul 14 03:26:41 atleast not "as is" Jul 14 03:27:17 The new device will have usable 3D accel, about twice as fast processor and twice the RAM Jul 14 03:27:37 oh wow Jul 14 03:27:41 twice the price I am sure Jul 14 03:27:49 they might shoot themselves in the foot... Jul 14 03:27:50 that too :) Jul 14 03:28:34 The N810 was, what, 400-500 as new? Jul 14 03:28:45 How hard is it to cross compile a c++ app from a linux desktop onto the 810? Jul 14 03:28:49 ShadowJK: yea I think Jul 14 03:29:49 There's a scratchbox-based SDK/environment available.. I haven't tried it, but I get the impression it can be somewhat quirky to install Jul 14 03:30:21 Also vmware/qemu/etc images of ubuntu with the sdk preinstalled Jul 14 03:30:33 they're probably easiest? Jul 14 03:30:44 I've got gcc setup on the N810 myself Jul 14 03:31:48 The Mer project, which is a community project to backport components from the new OS to the N8x0 (and other devices) uses suse's OBS instead of scratchbox Jul 14 03:32:14 just curious...does anyone know what command to run from terminal to recalibrate the screen? Jul 14 03:35:08 neatojones: what do you mean "recalibrate" Jul 14 03:35:22 the touchscreen Jul 14 03:35:39 hmm Jul 14 03:35:47 yeah. It's a bout I have to touch about a cm above anything to click it. Jul 14 03:38:45 tscalibrate on maemo I think Jul 14 03:38:54 only thing in /usr/bin that seemed promising Jul 14 03:39:16 sorry, that didn't make much sense. I meant: I have to touch about a centimeter above where I want to click on the screen. It needs recalibrated, but I can't get to the normal calibration tool. Jul 14 03:39:20 thanks ShadowJK Jul 14 03:39:22 I'll try that Jul 14 03:40:43 it appears that the actual command was ts_calibrate Jul 14 03:54:12 finally Jul 14 03:55:36 hello all, I am just compiling a hello world using clutter library. It is creating the executable and also running it but nothing is showing. The window is not showing. Jul 14 03:55:45 What kind of problem may it be? Jul 14 03:55:46 the n810 is pretty buggy Jul 14 03:55:55 any body any help? Jul 14 03:56:08 rhapsody died... Jul 14 03:57:08 i wish on rhapsody you could buy songs Jul 14 03:57:20 itd be way nicer Jul 14 04:01:22 nobody here... Jul 14 04:01:44 yeah. But I don't use rhapsody at all. Jul 14 04:02:15 Electric_Poison: For me? Jul 14 04:02:28 Or clutter... Jul 14 04:02:32 sorry Jul 14 04:02:33 eh? Jul 14 04:02:52 i use the trial rhapsody Jul 14 04:02:59 ive had my tablet a week now Jul 14 04:03:31 :D Jul 14 04:03:52 wayfinder is much nicer than maemo mapper... Jul 14 04:04:12 in routing Jul 14 04:05:17 pidgin keeps commiting suicide.. Jul 14 04:05:34 yeah. Pidgin does the same for me. Jul 14 04:05:45 its annoying Jul 14 04:06:14 how much is the wayfinder subscription? Jul 14 04:06:26 $130 Jul 14 04:06:31 for a year? Jul 14 04:06:32 for 3 years Jul 14 04:06:37 oh. hmm Jul 14 04:06:46 not too nad of a price imo. Jul 14 04:06:53 probably not. Jul 14 04:07:05 i watched a vid of it on youtube. looks nice Jul 14 04:07:14 comparable to buying a new GPS that would most likely need to be replace in about that time. Jul 14 04:07:19 the car kit though... Jul 14 04:07:34 screwing to the dashboard? Jul 14 04:07:42 wtf? Jul 14 04:08:21 whose idea was that lol... Jul 14 04:08:49 how do you rotate the nokia map btw? Jul 14 04:09:07 On thing: I am trying to use the lib libgles2-dev for opengl support. But it is installed under "usr/share/docs" no package inside "/usr/inclue" or "/usr/lib". Only the *.so is there under "/usr/lib". So it does not get the package when i compile it . Jul 14 04:09:16 I have no idea. Jul 14 04:09:19 What may be the problem... Jul 14 04:09:24 any body? Jul 14 04:09:34 i r linux noob Jul 14 04:09:41 earlier in the day, there is usually a bigger crowd. Jul 14 04:09:46 people with more experience in those things Jul 14 04:09:49 gcc -o main main.c `pkg-config --cflags gtk+-2.0 hildon-1 clutter-0.8 libgles2-dev` -ansi -Wall `pkg-config --libs gtk+-2.0 hildon-1 clutter-0.8 libgles2-dev` Jul 14 04:09:55 im at work then -_- Jul 14 04:09:55 or at about 2AM usa central time Jul 14 04:10:11 the European crew is up then. Jul 14 04:11:49 or try leaving a message on talk.maemo.org Jul 14 04:11:56 Electric_Poison, I've considered screwing it to the cellphone holdeer (which attaches to window with suction cup) Jul 14 04:11:56 i did Jul 14 04:12:23 i dont have a cell phone holder... Jul 14 04:12:32 oh Jul 14 04:12:34 nvm Jul 14 04:12:42 i saw it in a video Jul 14 04:13:35 amusingly the map application on N810 is navicore, not nokia's own map software :) Jul 14 04:13:41 (which they've got on symbian) Jul 14 04:13:43 nope. Jul 14 04:14:20 if you could blueooth to this and use it as a gps like that, i could use the maps on my 3600 slide Jul 14 04:14:35 free routing Jul 14 04:14:52 neither have free routing? Jul 14 04:14:59 well Jul 14 04:15:05 this has paid routing Jul 14 04:15:25 and my nokia 3600 slide has maps program on it Jul 14 04:15:28 it can route Jul 14 04:15:34 it just needs a gps Jul 14 04:15:54 so pair these and voila... but it doesnt work like that... Jul 14 04:17:22 I downloaded Nokia Maps for my E70 and it wanted money for navigation :) Jul 14 04:17:36 Though with E75 I think there was a year free Jul 14 04:17:47 mine can route for free Jul 14 04:18:08 with a gps it can route dynamically i think Jul 14 04:20:39 i gotta sleeo. Jul 14 04:20:46 night all. Jul 14 05:12:40 /var/tmp/ccxi3ATA.o: In function `main': Jul 14 05:12:40 main.c:(.text+0x20c): undefined reference to `gtk_clutter_embed_new' even after including "#include " Jul 14 05:14:08 any idea? Jul 14 05:21:58 no body...!! Jul 14 05:22:07 no idea! Jul 14 05:26:25 argh Jul 14 05:26:55 sarower, give it some time. not everyone who's logged in here looks at the channel 24/7 Jul 14 05:27:10 its ok Jul 14 05:27:13 sorry! Jul 14 05:27:25 no worries :) Jul 14 05:27:31 today's midori update broke pygtkeditor :( Jul 14 05:27:44 huh? how does that work? Jul 14 05:28:50 johnx, dunno, i can't find logs what updated besides midori itself Jul 14 05:29:37 i can't find my camera app pictures again Jul 14 05:29:50 there's a ~/apps/camera - no pics Jul 14 05:29:55 find doesn't find em in ~/ Jul 14 05:30:00 or mmc1 or mmc2 Jul 14 05:30:10 nothing in MyDocs Jul 14 05:30:37 finding in / now Jul 14 05:31:05 ImportError: /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/gtk-2.0/gtk/_gtk.so: undefined symbol: gtk_about_dialog_get_documenters Jul 14 05:32:17 google doesn't know such problem Jul 14 05:32:43 jesus, who decided to make these dirs preceeded with a dot Jul 14 05:32:48 for user data Jul 14 05:32:50 not config data Jul 14 05:33:25 :) Jul 14 05:37:58 there we go Jul 14 05:39:15 oh! i have geany. die, pygtkeditor, then Jul 14 05:48:55 is there anything other than formating that I can try in order to get my SD card working over USB? Jul 14 05:49:32 finn, sacrifise a virgin? Jul 14 05:50:06 so just forget about SD on the USB port? Jul 14 05:50:48 finn, i didn't say that :) Jul 14 05:51:59 but there's nothing left to do.. Jul 14 06:06:27 finn: Is your card formatted as FAT? Jul 14 06:07:32 yes. Jul 14 06:07:40 finn: Do you have swap file enabled? Jul 14 06:13:30 by the way. the n810 camera really, really sucks Jul 14 06:15:56 how do Icheck RST38h? Jul 14 06:16:18 it's the "no file system available" error Jul 14 06:18:38 finn: Go into Settings and see if you have swap file enabled Jul 14 06:18:57 Maemo will not let you access a partition that contains swap file via USB Jul 14 06:21:11 extend virtual memory? Jul 14 06:21:21 yes Jul 14 06:22:33 I'll give it nother try now Jul 14 06:27:51 now all I nees is to figure outwhere I put the card reader before changing hotel rooms Jul 14 06:44:02 the error remains the same RST38h Jul 14 07:06:41 hm Jul 14 07:06:45 comcast is so awkward Jul 14 07:06:52 like a nat of a nat of a nat from a nat to a nat back to a nat Jul 14 07:06:53 heh Jul 14 07:06:57 how diplomatic Jul 14 07:07:17 Mmmmm gnats Jul 14 07:07:23 like the way i had to set it up as a bridge Jul 14 07:07:27 i had to dmz it to my wifi router Jul 14 07:07:58 and set up a static ip on the router using the public ip as a gateway and using some other ip as its ip Jul 14 07:08:02 it was odd Jul 14 07:36:55 any update on n8x0 getting 3d acceleration? Jul 14 07:39:14 ZakkmN800, hmm? Jul 14 07:39:38 lasti heard someone was going to ask Jul 14 07:39:56 havent been here in awhile Jul 14 07:48:29 ZakkmN800: going in right direction i think Jul 14 07:49:15 Stskeeps: going to get? Jul 14 07:49:15 Morning, all Jul 14 07:49:29 Morning Jaffa Jul 14 07:49:53 ZakkmN800: so far so good i think Jul 14 07:50:45 thats nice. my nokia been jusst so dead lately even considering selling Jul 14 07:56:44 heya maemo Jul 14 07:57:39 yay, internal browser bug reports about pornpages not working correctly. looks like nokia testers know their customers... :-P Jul 14 07:57:42 wazd: How goes the mer ui artwork? Jul 14 07:58:05 andre__: the success of a mobile device depends on how easy it is to browse porn with it Jul 14 07:58:18 Stskeeps, yeah, that's what I also think Jul 14 07:58:28 the japanese providers are being overloaded with porn data Jul 14 07:58:29 :P Jul 14 07:58:49 Stskeeps, hey, *i* was just typing a joke about japanese users. grrr! ;-) Jul 14 07:59:33 They get off to cartoon porn, surely they don't need a site? :P Jul 14 08:00:55 right, 10 o clock and the guy i'm supposed to meet didn't show up, lovely Jul 14 08:01:01 * Stskeeps could have stayed home and clean the house Jul 14 08:03:11 one thing i hate about having birthday in the summer: everyone's gone Jul 14 08:03:29 you can now just stay out and imagine a clean house Jul 14 08:04:38 ZakkmN800: well, it's on hold right now, until I finish BlueMaemo stuff :) Jul 14 08:05:19 what maemo theme do you guys use? Jul 14 08:06:12 default Jul 14 08:06:18 Echo, but Tritanium if my eyes are not in the mood to be killed Jul 14 08:07:06 hah qwerty i just went from that to echo Jul 14 08:14:14 sob sala vudai... Jul 14 08:14:46 My Urdu is shit but I understood that to be insulting words :> Jul 14 08:16:04 i sure fucked up my home network setup Jul 14 08:16:25 * RST38h yawns Jul 14 08:16:26 and now i have to wait for the morn for someone at comcast to login to it Jul 14 08:16:35 and fix my netmask Jul 14 08:16:53 maybe i can just hook it up to the usb port and change it Jul 14 08:17:06 Letting Comcast manage your router? Jul 14 08:17:19 i set it to 255.0.0.0 Jul 14 08:17:24 lol Jul 14 08:17:25 oops Jul 14 08:17:56 qwerty12: funny fact, the "not being able to click links" is not a touchscreen vs mouse issue - it's a x86 problem O_o Jul 14 08:17:56 and after that i couldnt connect to it after setting the lan ip to 10.0.0.1 Jul 14 08:18:35 Stskeeps: haha, this determined from the Joggler? :) Jul 14 08:18:38 qwerty12: yeah Jul 14 08:18:55 i'm really at a loss at wtf goes wrong - because panning works fine Jul 14 08:22:27 hm Jul 14 08:25:08 hm Jul 14 08:25:34 i really dont see why the netmask would break connexting to the comcast cm Jul 14 08:25:43 255.0.0.0 is wide open Jul 14 08:25:44 heh Jul 14 08:26:30 maybe i just messed up on the client side Jul 14 08:26:35 blah Jul 14 08:29:30 http://tinyurl.com/nkypfa Jul 14 08:33:27 dont speak ze language Jul 14 08:33:42 * Stskeeps glances at his coffee Jul 14 08:53:43 almost a whole week without smoking Jul 14 08:54:01 * Macer feels physically sick Jul 14 08:54:03 heh Jul 14 08:54:04 hehe Jul 14 08:54:17 * Stskeeps has found a point where he can go addiction free, it seems like Jul 14 08:54:25 was a matter of finding the right cigs Jul 14 08:54:31 coffee? ;) Jul 14 08:54:40 coffee is just a substitute Jul 14 08:54:41 well, ok, my addictions switch Jul 14 08:55:09 do it man! everybody is doing it! Jul 14 08:55:09 heh Jul 14 08:56:08 i nees to fix my cable modem.. all this just because i wanted a vpn :) Jul 14 08:56:10 lol Jul 14 09:57:43 Hi everyone. You must have heard this one a million times: I need to get my wlan interface in promisc mode (promisc, not Monitor). Jul 14 09:58:01 Any solutions available (besides getting a usb adapter) Jul 14 09:58:03 ? Jul 14 09:58:40 [Ah, yes, it's for the Nokia N810] Jul 14 10:07:16 your intent is to view other network traffic within the wlan network, i presume? Jul 14 10:15:39 Stskeeps - also Jul 14 10:15:53 i.e. I need to be able to to transmit. Jul 14 10:19:42 talig, Portable WAP hacking device? Neat! :-) Jul 14 10:19:52 WEP you mean Jul 14 10:19:55 er, yes Jul 14 10:20:03 Sadly, nothing quite as sexy. Jul 14 10:20:05 WAP hacking would be neat at times Jul 14 10:20:05 :P Jul 14 10:20:31 i think smartq5 might be neat for wep & such hacking really.. libertas driver Jul 14 10:20:39 * rmt is running out of coffee atm, it's quite serious. Jul 14 10:20:55 So, do you know of a possibility? Jul 14 10:21:22 sure promisicous doesn't work already? Jul 14 10:21:32 i mean, wouldn't you need it to get DHCP? Jul 14 10:26:48 hey guys, i just came across my old 770 - thought i'd bring it back to life. I just put os2008HE on it and it seems to be fine (if not a little slow). I read that OS2008 enabled 8gb MMC support - is this still true on the 770 with OS2008? Jul 14 10:27:09 else there's fanoush's patches Jul 14 10:32:30 Also, how would I mount a SMB share (from my NAS) on boot mucho appreciated. Jul 14 10:37:49 mount -t smbfs or cifs? :P Jul 14 10:39:43 I dont need to install any packages or anything? Jul 14 10:40:03 maybe Jul 14 10:40:18 heh, :) Jul 14 10:40:29 i was kind of hoping for a comprehensive guide that some knew about Jul 14 10:41:25 Stskeep - I need it for the reasons the promiscous mode is used. Jul 14 10:41:33 and the restriction on the WAP shared key is annoying Jul 14 10:41:45 No, it doesn't work. What's fanoush's patch? Jul 14 10:41:45 talig: did you try enabling it with ifconfig? :P Jul 14 10:41:57 talig: that was for syosoft Jul 14 10:42:09 Stskeeps: No, I was only born yesterday. Jul 14 10:42:11 took me forever to realize it was the ")" in the key that wouldn't allow me to connect - so then i had the joy of changing all of my other wifi devices. Jul 14 10:42:27 enabling something with ifconfig? Jul 14 10:43:01 I'm really not a cmd line kinda guy - i prefer when things just work. So - while i appreciate the suggestions, pls dont be vague, it'll just make me confused and odds are you guys will get frustrated with my lack of understanding Jul 14 10:43:37 thats not to say i dont want or wont appreciate help, i just need more specific ish :) Jul 14 10:54:34 "Cats manipulate humans by adding a baby-like cry to their purring." Jul 14 10:55:00 is that why some kids throw them around by their tails? Jul 14 11:02:29 I'm getting annoyed that the weather app keeps getting updated .. nice app, but if it's working, don't update it 3 times a month. Jul 14 11:02:54 rmt: 3 times a month is too much? you have quite stable weather at your place it seems Jul 14 11:04:14 in denmark it could just permanently change weather 4 times a day and it'd be accurate Jul 14 11:04:17 :P Jul 14 11:04:35 andre__, :-P Jul 14 11:04:42 The application and the weather station DB Jul 14 11:05:09 rmt: unstable API probably Jul 14 11:05:10 It also then demands a reboot, and the last time broke the currently running app. Jul 14 11:05:28 So I had to reboot to get weather. Jul 14 11:05:32 i still way prefer updates pushed every week instead of every half a year for software Jul 14 11:06:08 If it didn't demand a reboot, I wouldn't care so much. Jul 14 11:06:37 Blame hildon-desktop Jul 14 11:07:12 rmt: If you do not want the updates do not install them Jul 14 11:07:14 humm, fremantle beta 2 is coming up today ? Jul 14 11:07:27 yay birthday present Jul 14 11:07:28 VDV: kidding, right? Jul 14 11:07:35 no Jul 14 11:07:42 sure looks like it Jul 14 11:07:44 http://maemo.org/development/sdks/ Jul 14 11:07:45 http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo5.0beta2/ Jul 14 11:07:49 * RST38h moos triumphantly then Jul 14 11:07:54 hohohoho Jul 14 11:08:07 Sts: should we all wish you happy bd? =) Jul 14 11:08:11 RST38h, Sure, but then I get a nice flashing thing which doesn't go away until I open up to see what needs to be installed.. which is of course only another weather app.. now, if it only took 2 seconds to do that, once again, I wouldn't mind. :-P Jul 14 11:08:11 yes, i turned 25 :P Jul 14 11:08:12 heya wazd Jul 14 11:08:20 RST38h: heya :) Jul 14 11:08:26 Stskeeps: Congrats! Jul 14 11:08:38 Stskeeps: happy birthday :) Jul 14 11:08:40 Stskeeps happy birthday! Jul 14 11:08:44 :) Jul 14 11:08:46 Stskeeps, happy birthday :P Jul 14 11:08:48 Stskeeps, Happy b'day, you whipper snapper! Jul 14 11:08:52 Sts: You now officially have 8 years to deserve a crucifixion =) Jul 14 11:09:35 RST38h: i'm going to DebConf in 9 days. I'll get crucified with ducttape. Jul 14 11:10:03 Sts: That still sounds better than debian packaging though Jul 14 11:10:33 anyone else was born in july?) Jul 14 11:10:49 * RST38h subtracts 9. Jul 14 11:11:00 Feb here :) Jul 14 11:12:28 * wazd turned 22 2 days ago :) Jul 14 11:12:52 qwerty12_N810: btw, thanks for happyb'ding :D Jul 14 11:12:58 :) Jul 14 11:13:27 wazd: Another 11 years to found a religion, get at least 12 close friends and a rat. Jul 14 11:20:02 :P Jul 14 11:20:35 hehe, thanks Jul 14 11:21:26 http://communitizer.blogspot.com/2009/07/introducing-maemoorg-packages.html Jul 14 11:22:51 rmt, how do you expect them to get to top of downloads list if they dont keep getting updated ;) Jul 14 11:23:37 X-Fade, nice :) Jul 14 11:24:23 happy birthday Stskeeps Jul 14 11:25:13 happy birthday Jul 14 11:25:17 inz: where are you now? Jul 14 11:25:41 ta Jul 14 11:26:01 how's the latest release going? (don't ask me to use a browser, mine is busy upgrading) Jul 14 11:26:33 oh,... in other news... Jul 14 11:26:41 could i interest someone in reimplementing control panel? Jul 14 11:26:55 maemo is trying its best to emulate windows 2.x or so Jul 14 11:27:05 where each thing shares process space Jul 14 11:27:20 more importantly, control panel applets are modal to the control panel Jul 14 11:27:40 which means that if you e.g. need to fix your clock while you're doing something complicated in a control panel, you Jul 14 11:27:43 're so out of luck Jul 14 11:28:03 we're planning to scrap cp, just use desktop files instead Jul 14 11:28:16 but breaking them off and having each panel applet as standalone requires special consideration within wm Jul 14 11:28:23 why? Jul 14 11:28:41 You can run applets from a different process, I have the osso-statusbar-cpu bringing me the clock cp Jul 14 11:28:45 if done right, i could actually fix the clock without discarding whatever i was doing in the other control panel applet Jul 14 11:28:57 ok, maybe not the editors, but the visible indicators do Jul 14 11:29:10 * timelyx chuckles Jul 14 11:29:18 i had an applet which insisted it was already running Jul 14 11:29:19 Argh! Feedburner is caching my blog feed and it is outdated. Jul 14 11:29:21 no matter how i started it Jul 14 11:29:32 (even after restarting the device) Jul 14 11:29:44 poor engineer was slightly embarassed Jul 14 11:30:39 isnt that what testing is for tho :) Jul 14 11:31:14 30mins of sitting ... Jul 14 11:31:26 my keyboard is apparently not nglish anymore Jul 14 11:31:41 ... sitting with the engineer while he demo'd his product Jul 14 11:31:50 Stskeeps: That'd be interesting actually, get hd to look in /usr/share/applications/hildon-control-panel/ and pass the value in the X-control-panel field to osso_cp_plugin_execute Jul 14 11:31:54 yep... a must fix list that iirc filled a page front+back :) Jul 14 11:34:22 heh timelyx how many of those were made up of sucking air through teeth and errr that might take a while ;) Jul 14 11:37:37 * VDVsx just upgraded his fremantle sdk... hildon-desktop don't start anymore :P Jul 14 11:39:53 VDVsx, file bugs ;-) Jul 14 11:41:03 hmm, nothing really new in SDK?) Jul 14 11:41:25 andre__, so many errors, I have to wait for the official beta 2, I guess Jul 14 11:41:46 VDVsx, but the official beta 2 is out :-P Jul 14 11:42:56 andre__, humm, thanks, will give a try after lunch :) Jul 14 11:43:18 andre__, how recently? as in just being rolled out now? Jul 14 11:43:29 * lcuk2 gets lost by the numbers Jul 14 11:43:30 yes Jul 14 11:43:42 ooooh swankeh! Jul 14 11:44:03 VDV: "A clean and fresh install is recommended because the software has evolved since the last release. However, an upgrade from Beta release can be attempted by following the instructions in the Installation page." Jul 14 11:44:53 errr.. is this talk about the beta 2 sdk or something else ? Jul 14 11:45:16 i hope its about the sdk lol Jul 14 11:45:17 RST38h, RST38h, lol, my instructions was the usual, apt-get update - upgrade Jul 14 11:45:20 Status bar area now available Jul 14 11:45:25 andre__, might be on about something else Jul 14 11:45:28 VDV: Wrong, WRONG thing to do... Jul 14 11:45:35 VDV: (with Maemo anyway) Jul 14 11:45:39 -, Jul 14 11:46:18 upgrade should work if you follow the instructions ;) Jul 14 11:46:27 lcuk2: I asked because when I googled, hoping to get the new sdk, I got into the beta 2 release of eclipse integration instead. Maybe I am just short of caffeine :- Jul 14 11:46:44 yeah prolly Jul 14 11:46:57 :-( Jul 14 11:47:11 * Stskeeps wonders if rkirti's caffeine addiction is related to the gsoc work Jul 14 11:47:18 you need to get a bigger coffee pot Jul 14 11:47:32 Stskeeps: huh? Jul 14 11:47:48 couple of debs cause problems but you can work around the problem by installing them first Jul 14 11:48:27 if i had to do your gsoc work, i would develop a severe caffeine addiction Jul 14 11:49:43 Stskeeps: life at my institute == 10-12 cups of coffee a day to survive the exams , 5-6 a day otherwise. My parents are so sick of my coffee habits that they totally ban it when I am at home :-( Jul 14 11:50:48 Stskeeps: rright. I totally believe that, with all my heart You are doing SO MUCH MORE :-/ Jul 14 11:51:10 ah, withdrawal at parents make the experience so much better Jul 14 11:51:15 hows the b'day celebrations going ? Jul 14 11:51:31 at a train station Jul 14 11:51:38 good fun :P Jul 14 11:51:45 hehe Jul 14 11:51:50 brb Jul 14 11:51:54 rkirti, thats an awful lot of water intake, you should really just start chewing coffee beans Jul 14 11:52:01 and bypass the extra trips to the toilet ;) Jul 14 11:52:05 Sts: Don't you try to quit on us this early! =) Jul 14 11:53:15 Hmm, no esound on the Fremantle device. Have to get back to my ALSA code Jul 14 11:53:22 Stskeeps, cheers Jul 14 11:54:58 lcuk2: i think most of them were more like "doh. this will be fixed" Jul 14 11:56:12 yeah i have lots of notes like that Jul 14 11:56:29 i gather you didnt let the poor guy whip out an editor and change it there and then ;) Jul 14 11:56:43 there were also some the testers should have found this Jul 14 11:56:58 andre__: ping Jul 14 11:57:03 i've got a bug for you (i think) Jul 14 11:57:18 andre__: find a password field in Maemo5 Jul 14 11:57:33 enter: abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz (don't press ) Jul 14 11:57:51 or if you prefer: qwertyuiopasdfghjklzxcvbnm (don't press ) Jul 14 11:58:11 when you're ready, press and hold Jul 14 11:58:30 pay close attention near the end Jul 14 11:59:24 RST38h: going to southern jutland to meet up with the fiancee :P Jul 14 11:59:33 timelyx, browser, or system (like device lock)? Jul 14 11:59:48 i haven't tried browser Jul 14 11:59:57 i encountered it "elsewhere" Jul 14 11:59:58 gah.. driving in the wrong direction Jul 14 12:00:13 visiting the other woman? Jul 14 12:00:32 hehe, no :P Jul 14 12:00:50 i just don't like to sit with my back to the driving direction :P Jul 14 12:02:49 anyway, i should be off Jul 14 12:02:55 my phone should be charged Jul 14 12:04:13 jjo, weird question - where is your theme? Jul 14 12:04:33 ah, nokia-binaries Jul 14 12:15:08 is there a new theme in the new SDK? Jul 14 12:15:50 No new screenshots yet Jul 14 12:16:08 But from the bugs-fixed list it looks like they are now making effort to make the desktop resizable Jul 14 12:16:58 X-Fade: packages looks cool, repository list page looks a little short, could probably double the number of packages shown Jul 14 12:17:14 btw, can I install SDK on Kubuntu?) Jul 14 12:17:25 Jaffa: Yeah, there are still a lot of things I need to tweak. Jul 14 12:17:28 Prolly Jul 14 12:17:38 or should I use gnome one? Jul 14 12:17:47 I do not think it matters Jul 14 12:17:50 Jaffa: But to be honest, I'm already suprised I made it in time for the beta2 release ;) Jul 14 12:18:15 RST38h: the missing file system error is still present Jul 14 12:18:27 finn: Then I dunno. Jul 14 12:18:39 RST38h, "desktop resizable" means? Jul 14 12:18:42 k, thanks Jul 14 12:18:45 X-Fade: :) Jul 14 12:19:15 Jaffa: Turns out dependency trees etc, can be really hard :) Jul 14 12:20:04 andre: Quoting from changes document: #2785 status bar should be resizeable. Jul 14 12:22:32 RST38h, well, for that bug i can say that the space is now much much better used Jul 14 12:22:52 ok, it's still not resizable. but that's not needed anymore Jul 14 12:23:03 andre: Screenshots? Jul 14 12:23:25 RST38h, i don't plan to be the leak ;-) Jul 14 12:23:37 seen it in copenhagen Jul 14 12:23:38 andre: Well, beta2 has been just released Jul 14 12:23:49 yeah, and i haven't tried beta2 yet Jul 14 12:23:50 So you won't be leaking anything Jul 14 12:23:53 ah ok Jul 14 12:24:01 don't know if that part is included in beta2 actually Jul 14 12:24:52 Anyone has any idea about making promisc mode work in N810? Jul 14 12:26:00 did this channel get a lot bigger or is it me? Jul 14 12:26:49 you shrank Jul 14 12:27:50 * Jaffa wonders if the "installation guide" RST38h quoted makes it clear and easy to differentiate between re-installing Scratchbox, and reinstalling the rootstrap. Jul 14 12:28:02 i wonder what i can do with my 770... Jul 14 12:28:05 it has the wsod problem Jul 14 12:30:13 is there a way to save the 770 after a wsod? Jul 14 12:30:17 i assume a reflashing wont do anything Jul 14 12:31:08 arrange for a friend to steal it and get £5 back from the insurance Jul 14 12:31:15 heh Jul 14 12:32:29 Guys, anyone has a clue about enabling wifi in promiscuous mode, except for attaching a usb wlan device? Jul 14 12:34:00 Stskeeps, happy birthday. :P Jul 14 12:34:05 GeneralAntilles: ta Jul 14 12:34:18 and of course a shitload of work to do, with beta2 coming out Jul 14 12:34:19 :P Jul 14 12:34:43 andre__, can I talk you into deconfusing http://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3415 ? :P Jul 14 12:35:49 GeneralAntilles, how to deconfuse if i"m confused myself? :-P Jul 14 12:36:23 andre__, the guy is using things to prove to the other me that I'm confused. Jul 14 12:36:35 The problem is that he's confusing the N800 power-on issue with this issue. Jul 14 12:37:25 GeneralAntilles, and you expect me to....? Jul 14 12:37:38 andre__, make everything magically clear. :P Jul 14 12:38:03 so I add a "You are all wronk! WRONK!" comment?! hmm... :) Jul 14 12:38:35 Damn, X-Fade. Jul 14 12:38:45 GeneralAntilles: Wazzup? Jul 14 12:38:53 jeremiah_: p i n g Jul 14 12:39:17 X-Fade, packages looks swanky. Jul 14 12:39:48 GeneralAntilles: Well, didn't do much about the looks yet. About 30 minutes orso ;) Jul 14 12:40:24 Jaffa: I am pretty sure they mean the whole new installation, SB etc Jul 14 12:42:20 Hey, anyone here have the latest sdk? Jul 14 12:42:32 Still no task switcher? Jul 14 12:43:07 Does the sdk have any username with password dialogs? Jul 14 12:47:58 Hello, S60 icons. Jul 14 12:48:13 screenshots! Jul 14 12:48:49 RST38h: Eugh, why should an SDK upgrade require me to go through the pain of a Scratchbox install. Jul 14 12:48:57 And this is why I mutter about developer pain Jul 14 13:01:25 Sts: Where? Jul 14 13:01:52 Jaffa: I dunno. I don't care to know. All I know is that every time I try partial upgrade things go wrong Jul 14 13:02:53 Jaffa: On Windows, all this crap would come in a single MaemoSDK.msi file that you click on. Jul 14 13:03:53 Meanwhile... The Chinese government has declared that electric shock treatment is not a suitable therapy for youths allegedly addicted to the internet. Jul 14 13:04:11 it's nt? Jul 14 13:04:14 not Jul 14 13:04:19 apparently Jul 14 13:04:30 they probably LIKE it Jul 14 13:08:09 coldboot: Hi, did you submit the fix? Jul 14 13:08:35 * GAN800 mutters about New Yorkers. Jul 14 13:14:40 Did we get MicroB in beta 2? I saw some stuff in non-free but didn't have time to check free. Jul 14 13:16:54 GAN800, as far as I know browser is not included (not tried beta2 myself though) Jul 14 13:17:28 Parts of it are then, I guess. Jul 14 13:18:40 It wasn't supposed to go Jul 14 13:18:55 sigh. fremantle still has lots of proxy bugs. sigh. sigh. sigh. Jul 14 13:19:11 I'm shocked! Jul 14 13:19:29 SHOCKINGLY SHOCKED Jul 14 13:19:44 andre__: Probably because the Nokia proxy is buggy :) Jul 14 13:20:09 Fremantle still has lots of communication bugs. . . . Jul 14 13:20:23 * GAN800 is tired of seeing andre in my bugmail. Jul 14 13:20:38 No offense, andre__. ;) Jul 14 13:21:12 GAN800, no problem, i can resign immediately ;-) Jul 14 13:22:02 Only if it'd kick those damn Nokians into action. ;) Jul 14 13:26:11 GAN800, book a flight, knock on the door carefully (watch out, its automatic), kick ass Jul 14 13:26:30 GAN: It would require sqcrificing virgins, I am afraid. Jul 14 13:26:38 Repetitively, too. Jul 14 13:27:07 RST38h, shouldn't be a problem. This IS IRC. ;) Jul 14 13:28:07 hehe :) Jul 14 13:28:12 No, looks like it will need to be an IRL sacrifice =) Jul 14 13:28:20 Hehe, wazd ended up installing ubuntu =) Jul 14 13:28:25 GAN800: it's only going to get worse for a bit Jul 14 13:28:32 but keep in mind, most nokians are on vacation this month :) Jul 14 13:28:46 it should get better sometime around harmattan :) Jul 14 13:28:49 thats umpossible, gan hasn't unlocked "going outside" achievement Jul 14 13:28:52 wazd: Gnome desktop is actually cleaner, although lacks many "features" Jul 14 13:28:55 (don't ask me what a harmattan is, i don't know) Jul 14 13:29:36 rst38h, well, I even installed VMWare tools :P Jul 14 13:29:38 timeless_mbp, Nokia is slowly wearing away all of my enthusiasm for this platform. :) Jul 14 13:30:00 GAN800: it's all about the people :) Jul 14 13:30:01 lcuk3, it was worth 50g, and I have too, you dolt. :P Jul 14 13:30:04 (the people here that is) Jul 14 13:30:05 rst38h, dunno if it will enable some kind of 3d acceleration though Jul 14 13:30:36 timeless_mbp, does that mean we need "fixed in frem^W harmattan" tshirts Jul 14 13:31:08 lcuk3: i think you can wait at least a month before you start negotiating with a printer for those :) Jul 14 13:31:25 for all i know you might be able to wait twenty or thirty months :) Jul 14 13:31:30 (but i sure hope not) Jul 14 13:31:38 * timeless_mbp knows nothing about schedules and likes it that way Jul 14 13:31:39 wazd: If you have OpenGL in Windows and use virtualbox 3 you can use OpenGL in the guest Jul 14 13:32:06 I'm not sure about VMWare, I think it does an OpenGL/Direct3D translation on some combination of host/guest systems Jul 14 13:32:18 wazd: Are you running it inside VMWare then? Jul 14 13:32:19 fiferboy: I have OpenGL but I use VMWare :( Jul 14 13:32:24 rsT38h, yep Jul 14 13:32:27 wazd: upgrade ;-) Jul 14 13:32:36 Ah, just install Ubuntu directly Jul 14 13:32:52 wazd_ubuntu: VMWare might do OpenGL->OpenGL too now, I'm not sure Jul 14 13:32:57 I mean, sooner or later, you will still end up installing it directly, so why delay the inevitable... Jul 14 13:33:51 wazd_ubuntu: This might work for you: http://www.cs.toronto.edu/~andreslc/xen-gl/ Jul 14 13:36:50 fiferboy: oh, thanks! Jul 14 13:51:45 3.3x faster ARM JIT just been pushed into Jalimo Jul 14 13:52:07 cacao or? Jul 14 13:54:11 Using Jazelle or what? Jul 14 13:54:52 Hi everyone, does anyone know of a way to get the wlan0 in promisc mode? Jul 14 13:54:58 isn't Jazelle yet another totally undocumented and unused feature of my beloved N8x0? Jul 14 13:55:10 Is it me or is there an echo in here? Jul 14 13:55:36 too many questions? :D Jul 14 13:56:21 I think he's referring to me repeating the same unanswered question... Jul 14 13:56:42 But I may be wrong Jul 14 14:03:21 talig, you don't. Jul 14 14:03:35 Why not? :( Jul 14 14:03:38 Unless you can hack the firmware. Jul 14 14:05:01 Could you please elaborate a bit? Also, there's the open source driver - you have a clue if that will do the trick? Jul 14 14:05:41 [I mean the stlc45xx driver] Jul 14 14:06:19 talig: https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/stlc45xx-devel/2009-January/000125.html Jul 14 14:06:33 talig: "Start interface in promiscuous mode by default. Jul 14 14:06:48 Google tells me that at least. Jul 14 14:07:11 javispedro: so um... Jul 14 14:07:55 hi :D Jul 14 14:07:55 http://www.arm.com/products/multimedia/java/jazelle.html Jul 14 14:08:09 X-Fade, thanks. Do you know if it works though? Jul 14 14:08:23 talig: Why don't you try it out? :) Jul 14 14:08:39 and write a nice wiki page to help people who follow Jul 14 14:09:44 why the * does that arm.com contain a link to mozillazine's "Help with Embedded Video for Firefox" thread? Jul 14 14:09:52 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jazelle Jul 14 14:09:53 lcuk - definitely, if I'm forced to go through with it... X-Fade, I suppose I will inevitably have to. I was hoping to find here someone who already has, since there isn't much mentions about all of this online. Jul 14 14:10:00 javispedro: i was wondering about that :) Jul 14 14:10:19 lbt: Hi David Jul 14 14:10:42 javispedro: but really... Jul 14 14:10:42 timeless_mbp, according to wikipedia "The published specifications are very incomplete, being only sufficient for writing operating system code that can support a JVM that uses Jazelle" Jul 14 14:10:47 Does anybody have a package that can be uploaded to fremantle extras-devel, so I can test the upgraded autobuilder? :) Jul 14 14:11:01 if i sold you a pocket knife Jul 14 14:11:14 and said "you can use this to cut things, and it'll fit in your pocket" Jul 14 14:11:28 would you complain if it was actually a swiss army knife and could do a bunch of other things? Jul 14 14:11:52 i didn't market those other features, and i probably bought the knife without intending to use them, so i didn't pay for the documentation on those other features Jul 14 14:12:02 which made it cheaper for me to test and package and document my knife Jul 14 14:12:25 fiferboy: hi Andrew Jul 14 14:12:37 I'm just writing up some OBS cross compile stuff Jul 14 14:12:44 javispedro: As far as I know, Jazelle is disabled unless you pay extra money to ARm to enable it Jul 14 14:12:49 lbt: I'm taking a look at those issues Antonio brought up about finger scrolling Jul 14 14:13:04 did he reply about the branch? Jul 14 14:13:05 javispedro: And no, it is not just lack of documentation but an actual disabled-on-chip thing Jul 14 14:13:24 please note I'm not blaming Nokia for this Jul 14 14:13:26 (also, did you see my comments on branching ... and what do you think?) Jul 14 14:13:30 lbt: hildon-pannable-area seems to arbitrarily limit the maximum scroll width to 788 and height to 378 Jul 14 14:13:57 I don't think we should be emulating h-p-a in many ways ;) Jul 14 14:14:45 fiferboy: imagine Mer, using h-p-a on an 800x600 device Jul 14 14:14:48 Jul 14 14:14:52 lbt: I saw them, and I think I agree :) Jul 14 14:15:05 RST38h: on the other side, I find it hard to believe they selectively disable/enable Jazelle Jul 14 14:15:09 BTW, I installed fremantle conboy on Mer now Jul 14 14:15:15 and it uses h-p-a Jul 14 14:15:16 lbt: I know, maybe I should put it in a FREMANTLE ifdef Jul 14 14:15:18 considering they've done a pretty nice job "hiding the details", why disable it? Jul 14 14:15:20 and it breaks :) Jul 14 14:15:31 'cos conboy can't select text anymore! Jul 14 14:15:58 lbt: All teh fremantle deps are there? Jul 14 14:16:00 fiferboy: I don't like ifdefs based on things like 'FREMANTLE' .. they should be functional Jul 14 14:16:14 timeless_mbp, but I want the Swiss Army Knife for the pocket knife price. Jul 14 14:16:19 and then the ./configure for fremantle should (de-)select them Jul 14 14:16:51 GAN800: well, figuring out how to use it safely is your problem Jul 14 14:16:55 timeless_mbp: I blame ARM and Omap. I didn't blame Palm when they did not provide USB host software, but since I had free XScale documentation I developed a driver myself and thus satifised my hacking needs Jul 14 14:16:56 lbt: I understand trying to get Qt to behave as much like Fremantle as possible at this point Jul 14 14:17:05 sure Jul 14 14:17:08 (and BTW I fried my Palm T|X that way :P ) Jul 14 14:17:14 RST38h: Cacao: not sure; javispedro: not Jazelle Jul 14 14:17:18 javispedro: heh Jul 14 14:17:35 javispedro: anyway... you sound like the kind of person who could try poking jazelle Jul 14 14:17:49 won't she object? Jul 14 14:17:55 not at all, since I can't read ARM assembler :D Jul 14 14:18:08 reading arm asm isn't that bad Jul 14 14:18:14 If we are going to limit something in finger scrolling to make it like h-p-a, at least we can only do it for Fremantle Jul 14 14:18:21 I wonder if two touch is good for selecting stuff Jul 14 14:18:23 javispedro: let me look around for a moment Jul 14 14:18:29 http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/nokia770/jazelle/jazelle.html Jul 14 14:18:30 Not the best solution, perhaps, but it'll kind of work for now, sort of Jul 14 14:19:21 fiferboy: well, I hate having to #define FREMANTLE in Mer Jul 14 14:19:28 lbt: Okay, so with git if I want to work only on the mew-fingerscrolling branch but still need to compile with all the qt-diablo fixes, how best to do that? Jul 14 14:19:39 javispedro: somebody got there before you: http://www.mail-archive.com/maemo-developers@maemo.org/msg12992.html Jul 14 14:19:49 lbt: Ah yes, because you want all the Fremantle features but no the limitations... Jul 14 14:19:54 yes Jul 14 14:20:03 Maybe we should have FREMANTLE_FEATURE and FREMANTLE_LIMIT :) Jul 14 14:20:20 make it functional... LIMIT_SCROLL_AREA Jul 14 14:20:32 then #ifdef FREMANTLE #define LIMT.... Jul 14 14:20:51 Wouldn't that still limit for mer with the FREMANTLE define? Jul 14 14:21:09 yes, but I'll have one less to fix when I go and correct them all Jul 14 14:21:25 Alrighty, I can do that. Jul 14 14:21:27 " the Java hypothetical machine (JVM) " this is going to be fun :D Jul 14 14:22:46 lbt: Currently I cloned the git repo, created a "merging" branch and checked out qt-diablo and merged mer-fingerscrolling Jul 14 14:23:08 If I want to work on finger scrolling, should I have it completely separated in a different branch? Jul 14 14:23:15 BTW, Cortex appears to not support Jazelle Jul 14 14:23:24 So forget about it in N9x0 Jul 14 14:23:38 RST38h: cause I assume that at some point it's just slower than JIT Jul 14 14:23:47 And if I want to test the compile, have a qt-diablo branch and merge my local finger scrolling branch in? Jul 14 14:24:13 have you read http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Build/UsingGitorious Jul 14 14:24:17 javispedro: That'd be my guess too. A good JIT should outperform Jazelle Jul 14 14:24:29 lcuk3, "Update: With the Fremantle beta2 release the Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 07) aka 4500MHD aka GM45 on Ubuntu 9.04 seems to work fast out of the box without any special configuration." Jul 14 14:24:41 fiferboy: that sounds close Jul 14 14:24:52 lbt: I have looked at that before Jul 14 14:25:03 I think you should checkout mer/fingerscroll, make changes and then Jul 14 14:25:19 to test, merge into a build branch and then build Jul 14 14:25:30 VDVsx, now that sounds like a serious improvement! Jul 14 14:25:32 either way wikipedia says Cortex ha s it Jul 14 14:25:45 Oh My God! I think I understand git! Jul 14 14:25:46 javispedro: ARM says Cortex does not have Jazelle Jul 14 14:25:48 (a little bit) Jul 14 14:25:50 lcuk3, you can test it now :) Jul 14 14:26:11 javispedro: "Provides trivial implementation where BXJ acts as BX" Jul 14 14:26:15 not really, still doesnt support xv i bet Jul 14 14:26:38 * lcuk3 will just carry on making n8x0 better :) Jul 14 14:27:06 I think I read somewhere about that, that they were concentrating instead on "accelerating common JITted languages operations" Jul 14 14:27:15 lbt: Can we remove the "fingerscroll" branch from gitorious and just keep "mer-fingerscrolling"? Jul 14 14:27:28 yes, I think so. Jul 14 14:27:56 delete locally and : git push :deadbranch Jul 14 14:28:00 the : is important Jul 14 14:30:05 javispedro RST38h: http://lists.evolvis.org/pipermail/jalimo-info/2009-July/000361.html Jul 14 14:33:53 "It delivers 70-80% of the performance of a JIT without the additional costs associated with a JIT solution such as extra memory to cache the JIT code" Jul 14 14:34:24 Jaffa: This does not sound like big news then Jul 14 14:34:35 So, they replaced C interpreter with assembly one... Jul 14 14:34:47 one of the reasons of Jazelle is reduced memory usage Jul 14 14:34:49 how expensive they think memory is Jul 14 14:34:52 Still no prepackaged MIDP solution for the tablets in Extras, too Jul 14 14:34:58 so I see why ARM is targeting that Jul 14 14:35:50 I heard nokia doesn't use it in any of their phones Jul 14 14:36:50 the licensing fees to arm are probably not worth it :) Jul 14 14:37:02 yeah probably not Jul 14 14:37:28 per mhz their own vm(sun originated iirc..) isn't bad Jul 14 14:37:55 humm, the main menu layout in the beta 2 is a bit weird Jul 14 14:38:18 this thread is useless without screenshots Jul 14 14:38:26 agreed :) Jul 14 14:39:03 fiferboy: Just got in to work, haven't submitted it yet. Jul 14 14:39:24 coldboot: Gotcha. Glad it's working Jul 14 14:39:53 glass: Sun has two Jul 14 14:40:15 glass: One is SunSpot, which costs money, near impossible to get unless you are a big company, and uses JIT Jul 14 14:40:27 glass: Another is KVM, free but really really slow Jul 14 14:40:52 RST38h: yep but i'm not sure which nokia has and also could fall under some nda.. Jul 14 14:42:48 lcuk3, http://www.valeriovalerio.org/images/fremantle_beta2_menu.jpeg Jul 14 14:42:55 probably will appear more things in this menu Jul 14 14:43:06 anonymous delivers! Jul 14 14:44:38 i'm seeing there's no j2se jazelle-enabled vm available, not even from Sun. Jul 14 14:46:37 also new: http://www.valeriovalerio.org/images/fremantle_beta2_settings.jpeg Jul 14 14:46:58 glass: Well, my E70 definitely has KVM =) Jul 14 14:50:18 green close icon???? that's it, i'm not buying the N900 ;) Jul 14 14:51:02 javispedro, the dev theme is green :) Jul 14 14:51:58 I'll need to install that someday Jul 14 14:52:50 Oh no, I think I am starting to like git! Jul 14 14:53:10 Can you fix your git repository in Gitorious, or once you push is it there forever? Jul 14 14:53:45 I haven't done anything with gitorious repos yet... Jul 14 14:53:59 coldboot: define 'fix' Jul 14 14:54:09 javispedro, yeah you have to pay arm for it Jul 14 14:54:34 ShadowJK, you have to pay for the J2ME one. The J2SE one is not even available. Jul 14 14:54:43 lbt: I reverted the wrong change and pushed to my fork of qt-maemo. Jul 14 14:55:02 lbt: I want to fix it up, by removing that revert, and having the erased history reflected on gitorious. Jul 14 14:55:54 by revert... did you commit a deletion patch? Jul 14 14:56:03 lbt: Yeah Jul 14 14:56:06 or reset HEAD by -1 ? Jul 14 14:56:15 javispedro: The green close button is probably the least of the problems with Fremantle UI Jul 14 14:56:16 lbt: I committed a git-revert Jul 14 14:56:17 OK, you can probably reset HEAD Jul 14 14:56:27 git reset HEAD^1 Jul 14 14:56:31 But I have other commits surrounding it now Jul 14 14:56:35 use gitk --all& Jul 14 14:56:40 I have 1, 2, 3, 4 -- and I want to delete 2 Jul 14 14:56:47 RST38h: UI?... Jul 14 14:56:50 OK, go to 1, Jul 14 14:56:53 branch Jul 14 14:56:58 cherry pick 3,4 Jul 14 14:56:59 VDVsx, well at least it doesnt look likea music player anymore :p Jul 14 14:57:04 RST38h, just being sarcastic :) Jul 14 14:57:04 delete orig branch Jul 14 14:57:11 name 4 as head of new branch Jul 14 14:57:17 ShadowJK: "pay arm for it" sounded...mmm...deeper than it should have Jul 14 14:57:41 lbt: Is there any way to do this on Gitorious as well? Jul 14 14:57:54 a push will then send it to remote Jul 14 14:58:00 javispedro, be thankful theres a close icon at all! its one of the biggest bones on contention according to t.m.o Jul 14 14:58:01 lbt: And overwrite the history? Jul 14 14:58:02 "An Italian wedding reception ended badly when the bride's bouquet downed an ultralight aircraft" Jul 14 14:58:10 you risk upsetting people who have pulled but you don't care :) Jul 14 14:58:22 lbt: Okay cool, I thought git-push wouldn't let you do that. Jul 14 14:58:29 there is no history if nothing points to a point in the future Jul 14 14:58:33 lbt: So what happens to others if you do this? Jul 14 14:58:47 they have a dangling commit which should be pruned Jul 14 14:58:51 as there is no ref Jul 14 14:59:03 ohh... a multitasking gadget without close icon... microsoft already tried it ;) Jul 14 14:59:16 it's bad practice if you run a genuine shared repo Jul 14 14:59:26 you're just learning and have no friends though ;) Jul 14 14:59:54 I would be cautious doing it to qt-maemo Jul 14 15:00:00 and wouldn't do it to qt Jul 14 15:00:02 anyone knows how to run/view the example-status-applet & maemo5-load-applet ? :) Jul 14 15:00:37 lbt: I did all of the cherry-picking, and git reset --hard HEAD, but git-branch still says I'm on "no branch" Jul 14 15:00:46 lbt: This was all on the qt-diablo branch. Jul 14 15:01:11 url ? Jul 14 15:01:56 nhooey ? Jul 14 15:02:12 http://qt.gitorious.org/~nhooey/qt/nhooey-qt-maemo-bugfixes Jul 14 15:02:22 It hasn't been pushed yet Jul 14 15:02:44 lbt: I have git-log showing everything I want, it's all ready to go, I just need to have git-branch show that I'm on qt-diablo instead of "no branch" Jul 14 15:03:01 OK Jul 14 15:03:12 lbt: I have to move the head of qt-diablo to point to the head I'm looking at now, right? Jul 14 15:03:29 probably git branch -d qt-diablo ; git checkout -b qt-diablo Jul 14 15:05:54 lbt: That's probably going to delete a branch, then try to checkout a branch that no longer exists... Jul 14 15:06:15 it deletes the mnemonic reference to a commit Jul 14 15:06:48 then it starts on the current commit and creates a branch (mnemonic reference) to the current commit called qt-maemo Jul 14 15:07:02 I think Jul 14 15:07:17 sounds simple Jul 14 15:07:32 it's actually very simple :) Jul 14 15:07:46 a branch is a file holding a number Jul 14 15:08:13 if you look at the number it contains a back-link (linked-list style) to the previous commit(s) Jul 14 15:08:29 a branch is *not* a collection of commits Jul 14 15:08:39 Oh I had to `git reset --hard ` while I was on the qt-diablo branch. Jul 14 15:09:08 A branch is a pointer to a commit, which has many ancestor pointers, right? Jul 14 15:09:10 OK, wasn't sure if checkout -b works on a non-branch Jul 14 15:09:15 http://eagain.net/articles/git-for-computer-scientists/ Jul 14 15:09:26 Who else would git be for? ;) Jul 14 15:09:37 http://hoth.entp.com/output/git_for_designers.html Jul 14 15:09:56 Wow much longer... Jul 14 15:10:20 Stskeeps, can you check 4649 again in SDK beta2? Jul 14 15:10:29 lbt: Are all of these instances of "git for geeks" though? Jul 14 15:10:43 geek is the new black Jul 14 15:11:23 * RST38h hands lbt a machete Jul 14 15:12:58 * lbt wanders out to cut down the jungle...... I'll be back for breakfast... smoke me a kipper! Jul 14 15:15:03 Does anyone know how to merge request? Jul 14 15:18:38 lbt, "what a guy!" Jul 14 15:24:39 I hate myself. Was thinking "don't read that jazelle discussion, don't read that jazelle discussion don't read or you'll do no real work today" Jul 14 15:24:43 I read it. Jul 14 15:24:44 :( Jul 14 15:24:46 Alright I sent a merge request for the flickering bug for qt-maemo on qt-diablo branch. Jul 14 15:25:10 already fired up gdb :( Jul 14 15:25:29 coldboot: Got the merge request Jul 14 15:25:34 woo Jul 14 15:25:40 This is so fun. Jul 14 15:25:50 Probably should have sent it to Antonio... Jul 14 15:26:09 javispedro: And now the worst thing is going to happen to you Jul 14 15:26:09 I just made the request on Gitorious, it should be sent to everyone. Jul 14 15:26:25 Ah, okay. It looks like it is only to me in my email. Jul 14 15:26:26 javispedro: You will start hacking it and the next thing you know, it is Christmas Jul 14 15:26:42 fiferboy: Probably sends out separate emails to each person. Jul 14 15:26:47 :( Jul 14 15:26:49 coldboot: Probably right Jul 14 15:27:40 lbt: Everytime I try to checkout mer-fingerscrolling I get this: Jul 14 15:27:42 git checkout: updating paths is incompatible with switching branches/forcing Jul 14 15:28:11 lucky for me I'm going on vacation soon Jul 14 15:28:31 btw, does any of you use a handheld (not a car) garmin gps? do you know some neat backtrack-like software? Jul 14 15:28:38 for the nit of course Jul 14 15:28:43 lbt: I can check out other branches with no problems Jul 14 15:29:53 mer/fingerscrolling ? Jul 14 15:31:23 lbt: It helps if I use the correct branch name :| Jul 14 15:31:33 * lbt nods Jul 14 15:31:39 mer-fingerscroll, I was using mer-fingerscrolling Jul 14 15:37:32 lbt: overshoot max is actually 150, I was reading the MAXIMUM WIDTH/HEIGHT ALLOCATABLE TO H-P-A Jul 14 15:37:45 They actually restrict the size of the widget based on the screen resolution Jul 14 15:57:38 coldboot: I think tThe merge request should be against the right branch. Jul 14 15:58:16 I think hildon-input-method ? rather than qt-maemo? Jul 14 15:59:21 what a fast hacking session Jul 14 15:59:32 jazelle IS enabled on the N810 Jul 14 15:59:43 .byte 4 /* iconst_1 */ .byte 0xFF /* eof? */ Jul 14 15:59:50 produces r3 0x1 1 Jul 14 16:00:00 so it has loaded a 1 on the java stack Jul 14 16:00:42 it eventually crashes since it keeps on running Jul 14 16:00:49 but the 1 is there, on the java stack :D Jul 14 16:01:32 lbt: qt-diablo it should be against Jul 14 16:01:42 why ? Jul 14 16:01:56 lbt: I'm not sure, that's what I was told initially to pull from... Jul 14 16:02:05 yes, well :) Jul 14 16:02:26 we need (as a group) to better understand how to use DVCS Jul 14 16:02:32 Probably true. Jul 14 16:02:33 I have proposals Jul 14 16:02:47 but they may not fit with how others work Jul 14 16:02:49 So just to be clear, should I have pulled from qt-diablo to begin with? Jul 14 16:02:55 yes Jul 14 16:03:05 And then I merge request to hildon? Jul 14 16:03:11 qt-diablo is a working, fully merged branch Jul 14 16:03:30 So I merge to hildon, and eventually someone merges back to diablo when they feel it's safe. Jul 14 16:03:38 did you catch my email on the qt-dev list? Jul 14 16:03:54 we should be maintaining a managed set of patches Jul 14 16:04:00 I'm not subscribed. Jul 14 16:04:07 ah... subscribe Jul 14 16:04:14 it's very low volume Jul 14 16:04:28 Qt Interest not so much. Jul 14 16:04:51 What's the list literally called? Jul 14 16:04:52 http://pastebin.com/d6e44f470 Jul 14 16:04:58 (na, forget that, I spoke too fast) Jul 14 16:06:18 coldboot: http://wiki.maemo.org/Qt#Contributing_to_the_Maemo_Qt_Project Jul 14 16:06:42 bbiab Jul 14 16:06:59 javispedro: Oh, coo.. crap. Jul 14 16:07:16 lol sorry Jul 14 16:08:58 I think a merge request should have suggested destinations, but the accepter should be able to do whatever they want with it. Jul 14 16:09:24 javispedro: You had no idea how excited I was briefly ;-) Jul 14 16:09:29 Also, the accepter should be able to configure a message that the requester reads before submitting. Jul 14 16:09:30 ~seen lardman Jul 14 16:09:33 lardman was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 6d 7h 5m 24s ago, saying: 'morning'. Jul 14 16:21:56 lbt: If I try to merge to hildon-input-method from qt-diablo, then I get a long list of unrelated qt-diablo commits that are going to be sent... Jul 14 16:31:51 lbt: Okay I sent a merge request from nhooey/hildon-input-method to qt-maemo/hildon-input-method, by cherry-picking my two commits over to hildon-input-method... Jul 14 16:32:28 hi guys, is there anyway to read XKeyEvent without using hildon on Maemo? Jul 14 16:33:11 i am trying to type on my X11 applications, but KeyPress event just not delegated to my apps. Jul 14 16:39:26 Hi Jul 14 16:41:51 yutsai: https://garage.maemo.org/snippet/detail.php?type=package&id=2 Jul 14 16:42:09 uses gdk afaik Jul 14 16:43:59 javispedro, i have some reasons couldn't use gdk. i am writing pure opengl es2 program. Jul 14 16:44:15 javispedro, EGL surface is built on plain x11 window Jul 14 16:45:21 hmm turning x11 into gdk, interesting! thanks! Jul 14 16:45:27 yep Jul 14 16:45:28 :D Jul 14 16:46:43 I hope it works, cause I never tried it... Jul 14 17:25:55 Hello. Is it possible to use openstreetmap as the default map for the GPS tracker on n810? Jul 14 17:27:43 napsy, I think you want to install maemomapper Jul 14 17:28:22 hm ok Jul 14 17:28:43 because I lost the original map that comes with nokia when I flashed the device Jul 14 17:29:28 maemomapper is *awesome* Jul 14 17:29:53 osm2go is also awesome, if you want to edit openstreetmap rather than look at it Jul 14 17:30:22 flashing shouldn't have removed the original map; it's stored in the internal sd card which is not touched by flashing Jul 14 17:30:32 napsy, the original map application is probably installable through application manager, and then you can download maps from inside the map application Jul 14 17:30:35 (but which often came from the factory misformatted and could easily get corrupted) Jul 14 17:30:42 ok Jul 14 17:47:05 What is this "comapp" package that so many diablo apps are asking for ? It doesnt seem to be in the apt repos Jul 14 17:48:03 libcomapp0? Jul 14 17:48:23 appears in repos for me Jul 14 18:00:00 ShadowJK: sorry, I was trying to get diablo apps to build outside sb, but using fremantle repos. Jul 14 18:03:47 evening maemo \o Jul 14 18:10:19 you know what?) Jul 14 18:10:21 http://www.flickr.com/photos/thoughtfix/2869594903/ Jul 14 18:10:36 looks like this *is* the final fremantle UI :D Jul 14 18:11:04 with some minor changes like icons'n'stuff :) Jul 14 18:13:28 wazd: interesting. Jul 14 18:13:43 oh. those are from the maemo summit Jul 14 18:14:32 konttori_: if you were to install x11vnc on the proto and forward the port, we wouldn't tell :) Jul 14 18:15:00 qwerty12_N810: jeje ;) Jul 14 18:15:30 lol. Jul 14 18:16:10 wazd: well, from looking at the browser Jul 14 18:16:14 i can assure you that it isn't :) Jul 14 18:16:40 timeless_mbp: at least desktop shot looks almost the same Jul 14 18:16:58 wazd: i carefully ignored that :) Jul 14 18:17:06 timeless_mbp: ;) Jul 14 18:17:21 wazd, same as what? Jul 14 18:17:32 presumably what's in the latest sdk Jul 14 18:17:34 back Jul 14 18:17:38 Anything new and exciting? Jul 14 18:17:39 konttori_: as the shots from beta 2 Jul 14 18:17:57 oh, there is beta 2? Jul 14 18:18:02 konttori_: where are you now? :) Jul 14 18:18:08 * timeless_mbp is contemplating food or something Jul 14 18:18:09 at home on vacation Jul 14 18:18:13 bah Jul 14 18:18:19 get ukmp finished :) Jul 14 18:18:29 Hmm... I was working on it today Jul 14 18:19:48 I have some issues with home consuming all mouse click events from my SDL window for the top left corner or about 50x50 pixels. Jul 14 18:20:01 It's an iPhone. Now we know. Jul 14 18:20:02 that's normal :) Jul 14 18:20:02 So, I cannot have a back-button there untin someone fixes it. Jul 14 18:20:47 * konttori_ does not fully like our error management process, where that issue will probably linger on for a long time Jul 14 18:21:06 you don't fully like it? Jul 14 18:21:12 that implies that you at least partially like it Jul 14 18:21:15 traitor! Jul 14 18:21:22 javispedro, after trying a bit ... i decided to hard code the x11 keyevent lol. Jul 14 18:21:31 lol. actually I do like how it has been running for the past 2.5 weeks. Jul 14 18:21:36 konttori_: You mean found, but more evil are the not found. Jul 14 18:21:42 I think those changes were a good call. Jul 14 18:21:50 no idea which changes those were Jul 14 18:21:57 are you kidding? Jul 14 18:22:00 nope Jul 14 18:22:05 dunno yutsai, I assume that's ok :) Jul 14 18:22:37 lol. ok, good for you that you haven't had to care. Anyway, cannot comment in here, but they were good. Jul 14 18:23:09 I suppose as you guys have been working on the new engine, you haven't had to look any other way for a while Jul 14 18:23:52 I've lost the screenshot with beta 2 statusbar :( Jul 14 18:24:25 konttori_: i walk around and visit other projects Jul 14 18:24:29 i just get depressed Jul 14 18:24:46 I usually get excited. Jul 14 18:25:06 so, when was beta 2 launched? Jul 14 18:25:10 * lcuk gets konttori_ some tissues Jul 14 18:25:16 does it have minirc? Jul 14 18:25:30 lol! lcuk. not that excited Jul 14 18:25:45 there's anonymous ftp, why can't there be anonymous sifoip (stab in face over ip) Jul 14 18:25:57 konttori_, why is your ukmp switching between landscape/portrait all the time? Jul 14 18:26:09 lcuk, only from rotation. Jul 14 18:26:38 hmm... If you have old proto, the accelerometer might function differently from the latest ones Jul 14 18:26:43 how well does ukmp work on normal desktops? Jul 14 18:27:07 well, I develop it on osx, but it's relying on pygame for audio there Jul 14 18:27:11 which is not very reliable Jul 14 18:27:15 the only device i have with accelerometer is my x41 Jul 14 18:27:24 but on linux you can easily use it Jul 14 18:27:26 wazd: is there a screenshot with all the icons? Jul 14 18:27:36 lcuk: but you have a proto, right? Jul 14 18:28:04 i wish, no Jul 14 18:28:10 i even tried to steal one from cph! Jul 14 18:28:54 * lcuk got as far as the door Jul 14 18:29:22 RST38h: not yet Jul 14 18:29:29 lcuk: doors are such a problem Jul 14 18:29:39 yes Jul 14 18:30:03 had i not hesitated i wouldv gotten away with it lol Jul 14 18:30:23 Nokia would've sent their hitmen after you Jul 14 18:30:44 who wants a broken 770? ill give you it Jul 14 18:30:52 it's sat there with a sad (white) face on it Jul 14 18:31:01 nokia torch! Jul 14 18:31:03 haha Jul 14 18:31:10 rechargable Jul 14 18:31:14 just reflashed it so now i cant even ssh into it Jul 14 18:31:18 owell Jul 14 18:31:39 someone could give you measurements to the required positions Jul 14 18:31:43 to open a console Jul 14 18:31:47 haha Jul 14 18:33:34 (gdb) print $sp : $1 = Jul 14 18:33:40 gdb surprises me Jul 14 18:33:41 a lot Jul 14 18:35:04 it's nice to know it can somehow "optimize out" a friggin hw register Jul 14 18:35:06 * ds3 chokes Maemo's network handling Jul 14 18:35:22 hah. Just added 'safety guard' to ukmp deletions. It will now ask you to confirm before delete. Does it quite nicely though. When in delete mode, double click on any item deletes it directly. Jul 14 18:35:39 still easy to cleanup bad music, but less easy to do so accidentally, Jul 14 18:35:47 when I don't want it constantly reconnect it pops up a connect message to cancel out of every 30 second or so... now it never automatically connects :( Jul 14 18:36:01 (like I just did while debugging -> the reason to finally implement it) Jul 14 18:36:10 konttori_: you can also delete in a trash can and empty it later Jul 14 18:36:41 lcuk, I thought you had. When will you get it? Jul 14 18:37:04 konttori_, no matter how many single/double click guards you put in place, a person will still delete their media accidentally. Jul 14 18:37:05 johnsq: sure, but I like the directness of this. Jul 14 18:37:22 lcuk: sure, but now they can stop complaining to me about it. Jul 14 18:37:41 johnsq is on the right track, dont actively delete files Jul 14 18:37:59 mark for deletion and dont show those marked Jul 14 18:38:06 well, on first click, the item turns to say, click again to delete the song. Jul 14 18:38:19 so, it's quite straight forward. Jul 14 18:38:35 And trash bin only works if there is platform wide support for it. Jul 14 18:38:35 and when its in your pocket and your keys rub up and delete your favorite music.. Jul 14 18:38:41 not at all Jul 14 18:38:44 i have similar Jul 14 18:38:50 i just rename all deleted sketches Jul 14 18:39:05 everyone has an oh shit moment Jul 14 18:39:16 sure, and if there is another app using those, how will that work? Jul 14 18:39:21 konttori_, i dunno, ask quim if he can get me one Jul 14 18:39:25 Will that other app also be able to 'recover' them? Jul 14 18:39:31 but i might have to sign my life away Jul 14 18:39:37 and will the deletion from that other app be the same Jul 14 18:39:49 * konttori_ will be on vacation for 3.5 weeks. Jul 14 18:39:56 so, won't ask from quim for a while Jul 14 18:40:28 then stop asking me, i cry buckets cos i want new toys Jul 14 18:41:15 well, now I finally know you don't have one. Jul 14 18:41:37 ive told you every time \@ Jul 14 18:41:47 now, if you are goin on holiday, do you need yours? Jul 14 18:42:34 konttori_, how does tracker handle deletion of media that its tracking? Jul 14 18:42:52 or in the process of building meta info for Jul 14 18:42:52 get's inotify event from kernel and removes the item from db Jul 14 18:43:05 ie, take big 5mp picture, then delete immediately Jul 14 18:43:18 whilst its trying to be parsed Jul 14 18:43:20 if it is indexing the file, the deletion event gets put to queue and handled as the next thing to do. Jul 14 18:43:34 but the deletion event fails if the file is in use Jul 14 18:43:43 If extraction is going on, there is a read lock on the file and kernel won't allow you to delete it Jul 14 18:43:46 or it does in a sane os Jul 14 18:43:52 indeed. Jul 14 18:43:59 (like windows :D) Jul 14 18:44:04 * lcuk giggles Jul 14 18:44:16 but, there is also the time of writing the data to db. and on that time, there is no read lock on the file Jul 14 18:44:17 nothing wrong with deleting an open file Jul 14 18:44:32 so, that contingency is handled with the separate event handling for the deletion Jul 14 18:44:45 it is done all the time, this is a feature Jul 14 18:45:10 ds3, hold until reboot, or delete on close? Jul 14 18:45:28 until close but define delete carefully Jul 14 18:45:38 rm blah Jul 14 18:45:41 i assume Jul 14 18:45:44 the way it works is - you do an unlink() on a file Jul 14 18:45:56 ~seen b-man16 Jul 14 18:46:00 b-man16 was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 1d 15h 32m 11s ago, saying: 'hi!!! :D'. Jul 14 18:46:00 anyone that held a fd on there (i.e. has it open()) doesn't see anything changed Jul 14 18:46:04 lol Jul 14 18:46:11 as soon as everyone closes it, the file itself is freed up. Jul 14 18:46:35 ds3, thats actually quite cool, same process even if open for writing? Jul 14 18:46:48 aslong someone has it open, you can recover the file with /proc Jul 14 18:46:52 firefox, for example, uses this to do temp files. it open() a file in /tmp to create it; then immediately unlink() that file. now that file is available temp storage w/o leaving crude around or having conflicts Jul 14 18:47:03 lcuk: yep. any references to the file. R or W Jul 14 18:47:27 ds3 :) thats actually really really cool Jul 14 18:47:36 * lcuk raises a glass to the people who implemented it Jul 14 18:47:38 johnsq: yep. if you are worried, do sleep 2342234234234 < /path/tofilename& on all the files Jul 14 18:47:44 lcuk: it is posix, IIRC Jul 14 18:49:11 :D Jul 14 18:49:29 * lcuk learnt something new today Jul 14 18:49:39 http://gizmodo.com/5314304/64-gadgets-dragged-back-to-1979/gallery/ Jul 14 18:49:43 thx ds3 Jul 14 18:50:14 POSIX rocks Jul 14 18:50:36 POSIX sucks Jul 14 18:50:44 in lots of other places ;) Jul 14 18:51:03 some bits of posix rock then Jul 14 18:51:17 POSIX is a bit rocky, yes Jul 14 18:51:28 can we say that POSIX socks and keep everyone happy? Jul 14 18:51:51 RST38h: 12.. heh... I think someone made a PC Motherboard with tube amps Jul 14 18:55:42 re Jul 14 18:59:15 ds3: yea, that much isn't a problem Jul 14 18:59:26 ds3: making a crt-based Zune is though =) Jul 14 18:59:29 I need to change the version string for the qt-maemo debian package, but where is it defined? Jul 14 19:00:43 debian/changelog i believe Jul 14 19:00:43 coldboot: Do you want to increment it? Jul 14 19:01:04 "dch -i" will let you increment and add comments Jul 14 19:01:28 fiferboy_: I want to change the name and increment it, so it's unique and automatically replaces the version on the device, but will get replaced later by 4.5.2 when it's the default. Jul 14 19:02:01 I have 4.5.0-1maemo2, and I want to make it something like 4.5.0-1maemo2-wgen Jul 14 19:02:01 coldboot: One way is to check out the git tag for 4.5.1 and apply the changes you want Jul 14 19:02:23 Then dch -i, which would change it to 4.5.0-1maemo3 Jul 14 19:02:52 that might conflict with the official one Jul 14 19:02:52 fiferboy_: But that might clash with the real maemo3 released by you guys in the future... Jul 14 19:02:56 wont it Jul 14 19:02:57 Or you could change the number to whatever you want in the changelog line that gets added Jul 14 19:03:08 debian/changelog? Jul 14 19:03:11 coldboot, i think your idea was right, but wgen0 i think Jul 14 19:03:30 dont worry coldboot, the debian/changelog is normal deb stuff not qt Jul 14 19:03:31 my mistake Jul 14 19:03:37 lcuk: -1maemo2-wgen0 Jul 14 19:03:38 I'm not sure if there will be any more 4.5.0 releases, now that 4.5.2 is being worked on, but better safe than sorry Jul 14 19:03:54 coldboot: That would work Jul 14 19:04:16 coldboot, it sounds right and how other packages appear to work (see -mer stuff) Jul 14 19:04:40 So the dpkg detects that a number in the same place is higher, such as 3 > 2, or 14 > 5, or that if the numbers in the same places are the same, the newer package has more crap on the end of it? Jul 14 19:05:08 I'm pretty sure that's how it works Jul 14 19:05:09 think so, its why theres packages with pi and e Jul 14 19:05:24 And there is an epoch number that can override all that but should be used sparingly (it seems) Jul 14 19:06:26 lbt: ping? Jul 14 19:07:47 Thanks guys Jul 14 19:08:07 Didn't know that the changelog was scanned, I guess I remember that from a while ago now. Jul 14 19:08:56 The debian/rules file for qt has a bunch of macros to generate the major/minor/patch numbers from somewhere in the code Jul 14 19:09:13 But as long as you don't want that changed, adding some numbers to the debian/changelog should do it Jul 14 19:09:34 It's such a good way to distribute software. Jul 14 19:10:53 $ dpkg --compare-versions 4.5.0-1maemo2-wgen0 gt 4.5.0-1maemo2 && echo "OK" Jul 14 19:10:55 OK Jul 14 19:16:05 ~lart git@garage for being so damn slow Jul 14 19:16:05 * infobot does a little 'renice 20 -u git@garage' for being so damn slow Jul 14 19:16:30 hehe, that's a good one :) Jul 14 19:17:03 I wish I could put -20 there and make it faster Jul 14 19:23:09 hmm Jul 14 19:23:28 ~lart test@test because xnt14 is so bored Jul 14 19:23:28 * infobot chops test@test because xnt14 is so bored in half with a free Solaris 7 CD Jul 14 19:23:45 LOL Jul 14 19:23:46 xDD Jul 14 19:23:53 ~lart test ste ts Jul 14 19:23:53 * infobot smacks test ste ts up side the head with a clue-by-4 Jul 14 19:23:57 wtf Jul 14 19:23:58 lol Jul 14 19:24:16 ~lart b-man16 Jul 14 19:24:16 * infobot installs PocketPC on b-man16's PDA Jul 14 19:24:21 xDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD Jul 14 19:24:26 ~lart b-man16 Jul 14 19:24:27 * infobot explains, ever so gently, that if b-man16 doesn't give the channel more information, they can't help Jul 14 19:24:31 ~lart b-man16 Jul 14 19:24:46 ~lart boredom Jul 14 19:24:46 * infobot judo chops boredom Jul 14 19:24:51 xDDDD Jul 14 19:24:55 ok ill stop Jul 14 19:25:01 thanks! Jul 14 19:25:04 * xnt14 glances at GA xD Jul 14 19:25:43 * xnt14 gets back to tweaking flightgear Jul 14 19:25:59 ~burn himself Jul 14 19:25:59 hello keesj :-) Jul 14 19:26:00 * infobot pours gasoline all over himself, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze Jul 14 19:26:36 hah wazd, class Jul 14 19:26:56 lcuk: good'ol joke :) Jul 14 19:27:06 wazd: Are wazd the keys you use in an FPS to move? Jul 14 19:27:27 poor dear infobot Jul 14 19:27:33 coldboot: not really, it's an old story :) Jul 14 19:27:41 ~behappy Jul 14 19:27:45 xD Jul 14 19:27:50 never enter irc drunk Jul 14 19:27:52 ~cookie Jul 14 19:27:54 * infobot spins the wheel of knowledge and ponders... oldtest ethanim... strong; valiant Jul 14 19:28:09 infobot, cookie Jul 14 19:28:12 * infobot spins the wheel of knowledge and ponders... /maildir on your server... that your inbox? Jul 14 19:28:21 xDDD Jul 14 19:28:28 infobot, botcookie Jul 14 19:28:28 wazd, how can you have old stories and ol' jokes Jul 14 19:28:29 :-P Jul 14 19:28:32 you are a youngster Jul 14 19:28:35 lol Jul 14 19:28:40 ok w/e Jul 14 19:28:46 mind you, to xnt you are ancient Jul 14 19:29:29 lol Jul 14 19:30:11 lol Jul 14 19:30:21 lcuk: well, not so young as I want :) Jul 14 19:30:47 heh Jul 14 19:30:55 it never gets any better Jul 14 19:31:22 when I first came to the internet I've chosen the most obvious and stupid nick - AZ :) Jul 14 19:31:42 cause of Andrew Zhilin, you know :) Jul 14 19:31:45 nahhh, qwerty has the most obvious Jul 14 19:31:53 surprisingly, he is only the 12th in the world! Jul 14 19:31:57 * qwerty12_N810 bows Jul 14 19:32:09 wazd: So why the w and d? Jul 14 19:32:36 lcuk: when I ran ICQ nickname search I got hundred billion results so I had to change it :) Jul 14 19:32:41 wicked-azz designer Jul 14 19:32:59 qwerty12_N810: no, zxcvb-90 :D Jul 14 19:33:19 hehe Jul 14 19:33:30 hmm Jul 14 19:33:35 * xnt14 's first nick was wsa xDDD Jul 14 19:33:43 coldboot: Well, as I'm a FPS addict, I thought it would be cool to combine wasd and my old nick :) Jul 14 19:33:44 ahhh i once knew an zxcb-89 Jul 14 19:33:46 my initials Jul 14 19:34:14 wazd: There we go, I knew that was part of it at least. Jul 14 19:34:17 lcuk, whats the story behind your nick? Jul 14 19:34:33 initial initial country? Jul 14 19:34:37 quite simple, i am liquidcoooled on slashdot. and i am in the uk Jul 14 19:34:44 pah, close Jul 14 19:34:49 i couldnt use big long name in irc Jul 14 19:34:54 nick :P Jul 14 19:34:58 *nice Jul 14 19:34:59 it would intefere with GeneralAntilles's Jul 14 19:35:10 * xnt14 hates his keyboard Jul 14 19:35:22 amr, nope my full name Jul 14 19:35:29 xnt14: well, thats a common typo :D Jul 14 19:35:29 i like my cheapy pc-line one Jul 14 19:35:31 mine is too Jul 14 19:35:38 :P Jul 14 19:35:39 xnt14, i meant for lcuk Jul 14 19:35:45 oh ok :P Jul 14 19:35:49 :) Jul 14 19:36:02 hmmm.... http://people.mozilla.com/~vladimir/demos/photos.svg Jul 14 19:36:15 storm's comming to Moscow Jul 14 19:36:18 svg has scripting??? xD Jul 14 19:36:49 i was just thinkin same Jul 14 19:36:56 * xnt14 just noticed that his xps' proc is 64bit *facepalm* Jul 14 19:36:57 that would cripple itself with more no doubt Jul 14 19:37:15 amr - it was meant to be temporary for me Jul 14 19:37:18 lol Jul 14 19:37:24 but its grown on me :) Jul 14 19:37:38 argh!!! Jul 14 19:37:47 now I need to reinstall........ Jul 14 19:37:53 :) Jul 14 19:38:02 hiya qole_323! Jul 14 19:38:13 so where are you from then amr Jul 14 19:38:20 im from leeds, uk :) Jul 14 19:38:56 so, the r is? Jul 14 19:39:08 forename, middlename, surname Jul 14 19:39:16 Vhat? Another northerner? Jul 14 19:39:18 from my days of 3 letter names on arcade machines Jul 14 19:39:27 heh Jul 14 19:39:30 i am the most un-northern you will ever encounter Jul 14 19:39:38 un-northern northerner* Jul 14 19:39:41 its ok, qwerty is a recovering northerner Jul 14 19:39:50 he goes to NA Jul 14 19:39:55 hahaha Jul 14 19:40:00 and not because he got caught with drugs Jul 14 19:40:03 amr: No, that's me :P (From the North; living in the South) :P Jul 14 19:40:06 :q Jul 14 19:40:10 :q! Jul 14 19:40:15 i'll be doing the same shortly! Jul 14 19:40:16 xnt14: hi... I'm trying to get help with Knots2, so I'm using penguinbait's IRC chat applet Jul 14 19:40:21 no one at uni could tell where i was from :< Jul 14 19:40:30 :) Jul 14 19:40:44 found in a box under the pool table in the augbeth arms! Jul 14 19:40:54 ....but the #knots channel seems dead Jul 14 19:41:26 * lcuk waves at qole \o Jul 14 19:42:06 * qole_323 waves back at lcuk Jul 14 19:42:43 * lcuk needs to go back to shiny stuff Jul 14 19:44:10 hmm Jul 14 19:44:48 before i go, qole people were talking about their nicknames, where di yours come from Jul 14 19:46:07 I wanted a pronouncable, very short name that wouldn't be taken, so I tried a bunch of three and four letter nicks until I found qole. Jul 14 19:46:51 its certainly worked, so distinctive :) i thought for a while it was your actual name Jul 14 19:46:58 It is short, memorable, and unused (except for qole.com, which is a Japanese fortune-telling site?!) Jul 14 19:48:39 :) lol Jul 14 19:49:00 btw qole, I noticed you used dreamhost ;) Jul 14 19:50:08 yerga's WordPy vid does a good job of showing off Maemo 5 interactions Jul 14 19:50:41 Jaffa: yep Jul 14 19:50:59 Jaffa: Can't decide is it good or bad though :D Jul 14 19:51:05 Hate the green Jul 14 19:53:39 mmm, if lightning strikes are surrounding my house - should I worry?) Jul 14 19:54:04 wazd: Pissed off any gods recently? Jul 14 19:54:09 (specifically Thor) Jul 14 19:54:13 Damn those Asgard Jul 14 19:54:38 Jaffa: he was invited to my b-day party, so I don't think so :D Jul 14 19:56:16 xnt14: yes, I use dreamhost. They seem great so far. Jul 14 19:58:22 :) Jul 14 19:58:27 so do I Jul 14 19:58:41 btw, I don't suggest upgrading to PS......... Jul 14 19:58:59 I've read some stories, very hard to go back to shared.... Jul 14 19:59:15 PS? Jul 14 19:59:19 Private Server Jul 14 19:59:54 I've got a great deal, 2 years unlimited for $10, I used the Geocities deal to get the second year free Jul 14 20:00:45 :) Jul 14 20:01:42 I got the 44th president deal, prepaid for about $200 got 4 years ;) Jul 14 20:02:32 in four years I'll graduate highschool, then I'll probably get either mediatemple dv, or set up my own dedicated server.... Jul 14 20:03:35 I'll stay with Dreamhost until they complain that there's sure a lot of bandwidth being used up on people downloading these 300MB image files... Jul 14 20:03:56 yeah..... Jul 14 20:07:11 what the fuck was i thinking? (btw, forgive the spelling mistake, thats not the wtf) Jul 14 20:07:14 Canvass.ForeColor = 13158600 'RGB(200, 200, 200) ' replace rgb with constant value :) Jul 14 20:08:04 this is old code i just opened, last mod 2003 Jul 14 20:08:57 lol Jul 14 20:09:03 hehe Jul 14 20:09:05 * xnt14 makes stupid mistakes like that too :P Jul 14 20:10:08 musicbot: Mizuki Nana | Ultimate Diamond: Etsuraku Camellia Jul 14 20:11:24 xnt14, thats not a mistake though Jul 14 20:11:35 thats a defined chosen path Jul 14 20:12:05 i was either on a major optimization cycle (or more likely) i wanted a specific color and couldnt be arsed to decode it from the value i had Jul 14 20:12:41 either way i had to do a double take Jul 14 20:12:56 oh :P Jul 14 20:13:02 florian, anything like that inside your codebase? :D Jul 14 20:16:37 lcuk: I know I have alot of crap in my codebase... but nothing like this :) Jul 14 20:16:51 * lcuk tkaes a bow Jul 14 20:16:55 :D wow Jul 14 20:17:08 * lcuk takes a bow and spell checks it Jul 14 20:17:26 thats the first time ive needed to wtf myself Jul 14 20:22:45 Hey everyone... does anyone here use pymaemo with Geany? I'm stuck on hello world :P Jul 14 20:23:22 all my python programs seem to open and close instantly... Jul 14 20:33:22 MindMusic, wow cool - you must have one of the rare optimized nits Jul 14 20:34:17 mind, do your apps work if called directly Jul 14 20:34:57 Hmmm... I'm a newb so I'm not even sure how to call them directly... I'm just getting started... Jul 14 20:36:08 you can usually run python apps by just opening a console window on the device (or with ssh) and just run python blah.py Jul 14 20:36:49 yes... just tried... it DOES work :) Jul 14 20:38:46 ok MindMusic theres a hint then lol, i dont know anything about geany tho, so wouldnt know why it doesnt run Jul 14 20:39:09 do you know how come Geany closes it right away? Under Geany's Menu->Build->Set Includes and Arguments, Execute is set to -> python2.5 "%f" Jul 14 20:39:27 ah... thanks for the tip. Jul 14 21:05:34 Right, one horizon package built. Time to send it to the auto-builder Jul 14 21:16:23 Bah, humbug. garage.maemo.org doing its "lost connection" thing Jul 14 21:18:11 * Jaffa reopens #3354 Jul 14 21:30:20 this may seem off topic, but I'm trying to do this from my maemo device, and it's a subject that may actually have been covered by one of the maemo developers... Jul 14 21:30:39 I'm wondering if anyone has dealt with darwin streaming server Jul 14 21:31:18 tds5016, mplayer doesn't work? Jul 14 21:31:44 I'm streaming an rtsp stream to darwin streaming server. Jul 14 21:31:59 oh Jul 14 21:32:04 sorry, never done that Jul 14 21:32:07 and the damned thing used to work on port 5000, now it doens't work on port 5000, but it WILL work on port 5500. Jul 14 21:32:14 I have NO clue why it would be doing that. Jul 14 21:32:19 darwin configuration issue? Jul 14 21:32:54 tds5016: port already used netstat -a? Jul 14 21:33:35 99.99% sure it isn't. Jul 14 21:34:56 netstat -a ins't showing a port that I'm streaming over. Jul 14 21:35:04 there is another flag I need, and I can't remember what it is. Jul 14 21:35:28 -t tcp or -u udp? Jul 14 21:36:30 nope. not showing all that I need :-/. Jul 14 21:39:11 Jaffa: got Jazelle working now Jul 14 21:39:12 definitely Jul 14 21:39:21 tried iconst_1, iconst_2 and iconst_3 Jul 14 21:39:54 and even iconst_3 then iconst_4 Jul 14 21:40:08 (aka two consecutive instructions) Jul 14 21:40:33 javispedro: wow, cool Jul 14 21:41:22 now what? lol Jul 14 21:43:05 time to get that ugly and slow jvm I once made for fun Jul 14 21:43:51 javispedro nice Jul 14 21:44:13 javispedro did you sign a nda to arm? Jul 14 21:44:23 nope Jul 14 21:44:29 hehe Jul 14 21:44:41 and the manual I'm looking at doesn't have the word "confidential" so I guess I'm safe from sharks Jul 14 21:44:55 so we could use your stuff in cacao and openjdk right? Jul 14 21:45:14 not useful for jit Jul 14 21:45:58 it is basically a way to make the processor "drive" your java bytecode interpreter, and then get some bytecodes read by the hardware Jul 14 21:46:07 processed Jul 14 21:47:16 javispedro: email maemo-developers, ccing lardman - I'm sure he'd be interested Jul 14 21:47:17 hm okay Jul 14 22:09:43 it does some weird things Jul 14 22:10:01 push 2, 4 and -1 : stack contains -1, 4, 2 Jul 14 22:10:33 sum -> stack should contain 3, 2 Jul 14 22:10:42 but contains -1, 3, 2 Jul 14 22:11:06 there's some extra stack pointer I'm not yet seeing Jul 14 22:11:58 (and of course, the "hanging at undefined opcodes" instead of calling the appropiate handler Jul 14 22:14:42 sum takes three args? Jul 14 22:15:16 Normal RPN would have push 2, push 4, push -1, op + result in a stack containing 2, 3 (left == oldest) Jul 14 22:15:21 javispedro ^ Jul 14 22:16:11 i'm using right oldest syntax Jul 14 22:16:20 Ah :) Jul 14 22:17:00 Very odd. So it's popped -1 and 4, but -1 still stays on, even after the result's been pushed back on Jul 14 22:17:31 I assume there's some kind of extra stack pointer which would tell me "top of the stack is now garbage" Jul 14 23:08:17 lbt: pong Jul 14 23:08:46 Sorry, I have been hacking like mad on the tools for promoting packages in fremantle, so I have been underground. Jul 14 23:09:11 lbt: Send me an email if you like :) jeremiah AT maemo.org Jul 14 23:21:46 * xnt14 goes home/ Jul 14 23:30:46 lol, the stack grows downwards in jazelle Jul 14 23:31:19 I think it does in a "normal" JVM, but I could be misremembering. Been a while since I did anything with JVM internals Jul 14 23:36:04 got it, there's a bitfield in the lower bits of r5 which indicates which registers are mapped to which stack items Jul 14 23:36:36 it's 5 bits long, 32 possibilities... Jul 14 23:36:47 32 ARM registers Jul 14 23:37:04 no, just 5 registers can contain stack items Jul 14 23:37:18 What're the rest of the bits for, then? Jul 14 23:37:37 top can be in r0, r1, r2..., item #2 can be in r0, r1, r3... Jul 14 23:37:50 Ah, I see. Jul 15 00:06:00 anyone recommend an emacs-like text editor? Jul 15 00:09:50 inklesspen: emacs, perhaps? Jul 15 00:11:38 Jaffa: I worried that it might not work too well on the tablet. Jul 15 00:11:46 also, didn't see it in the apps list Jul 15 00:12:09 * inklesspen is also looking for Git for the tablet. Jul 15 00:12:17 joe! Jul 15 00:12:28 good nite Jul 15 00:14:02 inklesspen: Both should be easy to port with http://mud-builder.garage.maemo.org . I think I saw an emacs report announced on talk.maemo.org recently. But you're right about the usability Jul 15 00:15:39 ok Jul 15 01:26:38 ok, publishing the results for today's "research" :P Jul 15 01:32:22 must admit, this channel is a dangerous addiction. Jul 15 01:32:24 but it was fun Jul 15 01:32:38 research? Jul 15 01:33:30 spent a few hours making jazelle work :P Jul 15 01:33:42 jazelle? Jul 15 01:34:27 nice, is this for open use or proprietary? Jul 15 01:34:39 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jazelle Jul 15 01:34:54 might be for open use Jul 15 01:35:38 ok, apart from a speed boost, why would anyone want to run java in hardware? :P Jul 15 01:36:41 because he could? :P Jul 15 01:37:08 I know, it's not very useful :D Jul 15 01:37:09 javispedro: may I ask what are you starting with? Jul 15 01:37:46 * man_in_shack shudders at developing in java Jul 15 01:38:09 * javispedro still prefers java over plain gtk Jul 15 01:38:35 ds3, mostly nothing. i've just made the hardware run a simple program and that's about it Jul 15 01:38:49 i don't mind python + gtk Jul 15 01:38:52 glade makes it easier Jul 15 01:39:14 * javispedro wonders if jazelle might actually be faster than python Jul 15 01:39:39 * man_in_shack wonders if python bytecode could be accelerated a la jazelle Jul 15 01:39:44 now THAT would be useful Jul 15 01:40:19 javispedro: oh so you are not using the ARM docs? Jul 15 01:40:44 ds3, of course, why? Jul 15 01:41:40 man_in_shack, that's ThumbEE I think Jul 15 01:41:41 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jazelle Jul 15 01:41:48 meant, Jul 15 01:41:49 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARM_architecture#Thumb_Execution_Environment_.28ThumbEE.29 Jul 15 01:42:21 is that supported and working yet? :) Jul 15 01:42:32 might on "N900" Jul 15 01:42:37 damn Jul 15 01:44:15 but python developers says "might not" Jul 15 01:45:04 night Jul 15 01:53:24 morning. anyone know, is modest meant to be in 5.0beta2? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Jul 15 02:59:57 2009